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Welcome to the Glenbeck Program.

We are excited to have Greg Abbott on.

Named one of the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine in 2024.

He's running the eighth largest economy in the world, Texas.

Made in Texas, never been a bigger brand.

We are home to more than 3 million small businesses that employ almost half of all working Texans.

Texas led the way out of the 08 recession, and it's leading the way again because

the government doesn't tell everybody exactly what to do.

It is a great place to run a business.

And I think if he can get his property tax reform through,

he will also make it a great place to live.

It's getting a little expensive, but he knows that and he's working on it.

He's here to talk about the Texas redistricting.

Looks like...

At least, Governor, welcome to the program.

Blaze News is reporting today, Texas

redistricting standoff is over.

They are returning to the state house.

Is that true?

Trust but verify.

The Democrats say that they are coming back.

To put all this in context, to make sure the audience knows what's going on.

So the governor has the ability to call a special session that lasts 30 days.

This one was scheduled to end early next week.

But yesterday, the House and Senate agreed they were going to adjourn at the end of this Friday.

And I said that I was going to call back another special session beginning immediately.

And it was after that that the Democrats, I think, learned that their fate was they were going to have to take up permanent residency in Illinois or California, wherever they were, if they did not come back.

And that's when discussions began that they were going to be actually coming back.

And so the word on the street and the word in the news is that they are coming back and they will be part of the special session that begins either on Friday of this week or Saturday of this week.

But again, we'll see when and if they show up.

We will be prepared.

If they don't show up, we will be prepared.

If they do show up.

So

either way, I'm going to say you this, and that is these congressional district maps, they're going to pass, as well as the other items on the agenda.

They are going to pass.

That's good news.

You know, it's already passed in the Senate, as you know, but you believe you have enough votes in the House to pass it as well.

We know we have enough votes in the House to pass it.

To get something passed like this only requires a majority, doesn't require two-thirds vote.

And we have almost two-thirds of the Texas House made up of Republicans.

Because we do not have actually two-thirds, it means that the one-third, a little bit more than one-third of the Democrats, they can break the quorum under current law.

By the way, current law that needs to be changed.

But that point aside,

there will be plenty of votes to make sure that the map that passed out of the Texas Senate will also pass out of the Texas House.

Gavin Newsom has just demanded that you stop your redistricting efforts.

He said he was going to retaliate by adding five more Democratic seats in California to cancel out the five that Texas is going to add.

He said, Governor Abbott, you are not entitled to five congressional seats.

Any response to Gavin Newsom?

Oh my God.

A break.

So for one, there's so many things wrong with that.

In Texas, for us to redraw congressional lines and make sure that people in Texas are going to have the ability to vote for the Republican candidate of their choice in these congressional seats.

All it requires is for the governor to call a special session on it and for a majority of the Texas House and Senate to vote on it.

In California, they have to go through this complex constitutional process, which really means they would not even be able to get it done.

But that point aside, if they still really wanted to get something done, it's impossible because they are so gerrymandered in the first place.

They have almost eliminated all Republican members of Congress out there.

And Glenn, this is the biggest issue that surfaced because of this redistricting battle.

And that is most Americans had no idea how much California, Illinois, New York, and Massachusetts had gerrymandered their state so that they had purged pretty much every Republican from the United States Congress.

And so

California with Gavinusa, he's kind of like someone showing up to a gunfight but forgot to bring the bullets because he doesn't have any bullets to shoot in this fight.

Whereas Texas has plenty of bullets to shoot to make sure that we will maintain a congressional district in Texas that's going to be more Republican, more representative of the values and votes in our state, but also capable of stretching that if we do have states like California or Illinois, whatever the case may be,

if they go full scale and really rig the system the way that Gavin Newsom is talking about doing, if those rules apply, then Texas can gain more ground than California can.

You said that

Betto should be arrested over his fundraising for Democrats on the run.

What law did he break?

So first, let me tell you what he said, and I'll tell you what law that he broke.

And I am quoting to you what I saw and actually posted on my ex-account of what Betto said in writing,

at least it was in quotations.

And that is,

he suggested that if these Texas Democrats were to skip the vote, not vote, break quorum, meaning not uphold their responsibility to state in the legislative session,

then he would

all of the House members who evaded Austin money to support them.

So this is what you call a quid pro quo.

That's exactly what happened.

So Glenn, that would be bribery

if that's what took place.

And that is a second-degree felony in the state of Texas.

And I pointed it out in part for him, but really

aiming the target at the Texas House members because it exposes these Texas Democrat House members who ran away to charges of bribery, but also that charge of bribery would be grounds for them to actually have forfeited their Texas House seat that would vacate it and allow us to fill it.

There were reports that Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett could lose her seat because of the new map.

It would boot her out of her own current district.

Please tell me that's not true.

We think she's the best thing to happen to the Republican Party in a very long time.

No doubt about it, but I think she may be even better for the media because she writes a story for you every single day.

Oh, yes, she does.

So listen, I haven't seen the lines exactly how they impact her district.

What we have seen already, there's a seat down

in the Austin area

where a representative named Lloyd Doggett currently represents, and it's been consolidated with one by one of these progressive leftist,

you know, basically socialist

Greg Kassar.

And it looks like they have been put together in one district.

And news overnight said that Greg Kassar was going to be running against Lloyd Doggett.

My point of telling you this, and that may be the very same thing that happens up in the Dallas area, with a couple of seats.

I think there will be maybe two seats in the Dallas area that are impacted by this.

And it could likely be a free-for-all among the various different candidates, and she may very well be one of them.

Can I ask you,

how is the property tax reform going?

I think property tax is one of the most immoral taxes we have.

I mean, I want to leave my house to my kids.

They'll never be able to afford, you know, not only the death tax, but they wouldn't be able to afford the property tax.

It makes people a renter from the government every year.

What are we doing on property tax reform?

Because it's getting devastating here in Texas.

Let me answer.

So you brought up some other taxes.

Let me

pare down exactly the property tax by telling you this, and that is

to ensure other taxes would never be imposed in the state of Texas, we made unconstitutional the income tax, the death tax, the capital gains tax, and the transactions tax.

And there's another one I'm forgetting right now.

Bottom line is we made unconstitutional all these other taxes.

Now, what we're trying to do is to trim down the property tax.

Let me tell you what the challenge is.

The challenge is the state of Texas does not impose a property tax itself.

Only local governments do.

And so when we strive as a state to pare down what local governments tax, we have only several options, and that is to increase the homestead exemption or to buy down that property tax rate.

You know, one thing I know you heard me talk about before, and that is to eliminate

the largest part of the property tax is the school property tax.

And one of my goals was to eliminate the school property tax, which would go a long way to eliminating the property tax.

That said, let me tell you where we are, where we're going.

So, where we are after we finish the regular session, through the combination of the increase in a homestead exemption as well as buying down or reducing those school property tax rates, at least at the senior level.

If you're a

senior,

the average senior, through the combination of all this, will pay $0,

none,

for their school property tax.

Others

will still have to pay a level of school property tax.

That said,

Glenn, there's a couple of more things we need to do.

And we're going to get some of this done in this special session.

It looks like it'll be the second special session.

But

one is to make further cuts in the property taxes.

But secondly, we've got to understand this.

Mayor, I told you to begin with that it's the local governments that impose the property tax.

So what I want to see done is I want to put the same restrictions on local government that exist on state government, and that is spending limits.

Their spending is out of control.

Thank you.

Completely reckless and unnecessary.

Yes.

And

we've got to tie the hands of these local governments from increasing your property taxes, even having the chance to increase it.

And so the state has four constitutional spending limits.

Now, local governments have zero spending limits.

They must, at a minimum, be constrained to spending no more than population growth plus inflation.

If they do that,

you will see a dramatic reduction at your local level.

And one thing I know that you face with, and others do,

you open up your property tax bill.

It's like not one or two items,

not like the school district and one other item.

It seems like there's 14 different items on there.

Yeah.

Something like that.

They're taxing you here, there, and everywhere that has to stop.

Well, I have to tell you, while we're here on school, Stu and I were just talking first day of school, at least for his kids here in Texas, and the changes that are coming in the schools.

Can you just list some of these?

No cell phones in any school in Texas now, beginning this year.

Big one.

That's great.

Yeah, Yeah, that's a great one.

Thank you for that.

Bans on DEI type teachings

and curriculum.

Ten Commandments in the classrooms.

Thank you.

Prayer in school.

Thank you.

And then, of course, next year is school choice, which is massive.

Great stuff.

Great stuff, Governor.

Thank you.

You got it.

A lot of changes for that.

Some other curriculum reform.

It really focuses on reading and math to ensure that our students are getting the best education possible.

So we had a transformative session for changing education, put it on a very strong pathway.

I'm the first governor in the history of Texas to talk about our true vision.

And our true vision is to ensure that we put our state on the pathway where we rank number one in educating our kids.

Yeah, good, good.

Thank you so much, Governor.

I appreciate it.

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Mike Boyd, welcome to the program.

Mike, how are you?

I'm doing fine, sir.

Honored to be here.

Thank you.

So thank you for coming on.

I've been asking for an interview with Secretary Duffy, and we haven't been able to align the schedules yet.

But I am very concerned about our airlines.

I was on a plane.

These were all American airlines, by the way.

I was on a plane.

The pilot, we got on, it was like two hours, three hours late.

And we got on, and the pilot was standing in the aisle, and he said, hey, everybody, I don't want you to blame the airlines.

I want you to blame me.

And we're like, oh, okay.

And he said,

because I wouldn't accept the plane that they wanted us to fly because I've flown it before and it has problems and they haven't fixed those problems.

And the only way it's going to be fixed is if we reject it and say,

I can't fly.

I don't know if that's true or not or what this guy, you know, what the story was.

But that didn't fill me with confidence.

I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

So you're actually saying the airline's not repairing a plane.

And I don't think, I mean, I don't think our airplanes are in trouble and going to start falling out of the sky, but that has been happening lately.

What is happening with our airlines?

Well, I think the experience you had, that one specific one, that comes up, we've done a lot of work with, I come from an American Airlines background, but nevertheless, we've done a lot of work with Americans' pilots' unions.

These are very professional people.

And if that guy stood up there and said, I'm not confident with this airplane,

that's a safety plus.

I appreciated that.

We thanked him for that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

But we have a major problem then with American Airlines.

If you have pilots saying, I don't trust you,

these are not yo-yos.

These aren't good, good humor men.

These are professionals.

If they say that, we have a problem at American.

And if all this happened on American, I think you might want to call the folks down there in Fort Worth at their brand new American Way headquarters.

They spent billions on and asked them some questions.

But overall, I haven't seen that.

Are there big problems with air traffic control?

Yes.

No question about that.

And we finally have somebody at the FAA and at DOT who has a clue, and I think that'll be addressed.

But overall, if it was just on one airline,

you're on the right track as far as looking at it.

Okay.

So this is, but are you seeing this kind of stuff happening with other airlines?

I mean,

I'm flying out of Dallas all the time, so I generally fly

American, and I occasionally will fly Delta, but it's mainly American, so I just assumed this was happening on other airlines as well.

Because, I mean, I'm reading the comments from people, and they're like, I can't trust that I can get there the next day anymore.

And that's a real problem.

Well, because air travel is, I have to get there time certain.

That's not a game.

I've got to get to the bar mitzvah, whatever I'm going to.

So if it can't get there, I'm not going to go.

And the reason I'm not going to go is you can't get me there.

Now, if you look at reliability, and again, we've had some issues like Frontier Airlines.

I mean, if you want to see Saturday Night Fights, go to YouTube and you'll see a gate event at Frontier Airlines.

It's really bad.

But if you look at others, like our friends at United Airlines, and I don't really work with those guys, they have a system where if you book on United very often, they're with you the whole damn trip.

If you don't like a lot of text messages, don't book them.

They're with you the whole time, and their CEO is functionally anal about making sure customers know whatever went on, whatever it is, take it or leave it.

So that's going better.

But I think you may have stumbled over something that affects the Metroplex more than anything else.

So

how does,

because I've been on the plane and everybody's like, we're going to have missing, you know, you're going to miss your connections, blah, blah, blah.

And everybody is like,

is this kind of, is the airline system set up almost like the just-in-time supply line that if it That if it did ever go into catastrophic failure, it would be a real problem

Because, I mean, it's just one plane arrives just in time for everybody to unload and reload and take off again.

Well, see, that's just the issue.

You know, like in ancient times, you know,

our friends at Southwest could come in and go in 10 minutes.

Today, you can't get 10 seats emptied in that amount of time.

So they're really trying to cut down the amount of time they're on the ground.

That makes sense.

The question is, they've got to have systems that allow them to do that.

Now, Delta's put in a very comprehensive system.

It only only work for Delta, but

where they have been able to better coordinate all those things and do a better job of it.

But you're right.

If you're coming in and going out and that airplane has to do a go-around coming into Atlanta, that could be 15 minutes.

That 15 minutes could mean you can't get across the Terminal E to get your connection.

That's going to happen.

Tell me about the situation, because Stu, you did a documentary on

how bad the air traffic control system was, right?

Yes, I did.

And is that on YouTube YouTube still?

It is.

What's the name of it?

It's called Countdown to the Next Aviation Disaster, which unfortunately the countdown was not as long as you hoped it would have been.

Yeah, it is.

I mean, what's going on in our air traffic control, and I would never want to be an air traffic controller.

The stress these guys are under, and that's not, I'm not even calculating the stress on how close these planes are flying in and out now.

I mean, I'm just thinking, you know, back in the good old days where it was very stressful.

Now they're still passing paper to each other, and these planes are one right on top of the other one.

When are we going to change this system and update it?

Duffy's doing that.

Duffy's on it, and we finally have an FAA administrator who has a clue, Brian Bedford.

He's been around.

I've known him for 40 years.

This man knows the business, and he's all business.

And, you know,

I know he's good because Chuck Schumer doesn't like him.

So

that underlines everything right there.

So I think that is starting right now.

Look, we testified to Congress in 1994 on this, on a free flight system.

You could make it far more efficient.

The FAA blew it off.

The FAA has always been a repository of some really great people at the operational level, but at the top, these are just political appointees.

Take a look at the FAA administrator that the last president wanted, Phil Washington.

Nice guy, clueless, but he was a good appointee.

We can't do that anymore, and I think we're going to see some major changes right now.

Now, how long is it going to take us to fix this?

Well, you know, one of the things, you know, it's sort of like what Duffy said, well, we have a pro, there was a program in place to fix it over the next five years.

He says, that's ridiculous.

So he's on it.

I mean, he just went up to Wisconsin.

He found the oldest, I think, the oldest control tower in the nation.

He said, we're going to fix this.

He's really making a point of trying to get it done.

And I think he's doing it

incrementally where we're at, like Newark.

What a disaster.

I don't mean the city necessarily.

I do.

But

the airport, you know, he's trying to make that work better.

This guy is on it.

So I'm thinking 18 months, it's going to be incremental, but we're going to start to see this happen.

In Newark or in the country?

In the country.

Because we can have a free flight system that is far more efficient than we've got.

What is it in the past?

What does it mean, a free flight system?

There's a free flight system, and they'd want to ignore this, where every airplane takes off and it finds its own way.

Keep in mind, the the skies aren't crowded.

You can put 250,000, count them, 737s in a cubic mile of airspace parked, not moving.

But that's a quarter million of them.

And anytime in America today in the sky, you might have just

14,000 airplanes in the sky, but that's over like 11 million cubic miles of airspace.

So we can use our airspace better.

But what we've had is, quite frankly,

an FAA that hasn't want to even think about it.

It's more worried about itself.

I am convinced that's going to change over the next two years.

And are we close to having AI do all of this free flight stuff?

I mean, I imagine that you don't,

I mean,

you don't need to check in with tower if AI is

assisting finding it.

Exactly.

We've got to use that.

And again, a lot of it's, you know, it's the head of the SAA has always been kind of the

helm of the Titanic.

He says, slow down.

And by the time it gets back to the engine engine room, it's, you know, we've hit the iceberg.

I think it's one of those things where we have to recognize a lot of stuff has to change organizationally at the FAA and at the Department of Transportation.

I think finally we've got people that can actually address that.

Wow.

That is, I mean, this is wildly optimistic, and I'm happy to hear that.

I like Secretary Duffy.

I don't know much about him, but

not enough to be able to say with confidence like you are talking.

It makes me feel really good because I'm very concerned about our air travel.

It's not good.

It's not good.

Not going in the right direction.

It is.

It is going in the right direction.

Mark carriers are worried about, have found out if I treat the customer right, they might come back and fly me.

And that's happening now where people are getting away from some of these really low-fare airlines where the seat is like, you know, a bucket seat in a C-119.

They don't want to fly those things anymore.

And people like United and Delta and other carriers are saying, we'll take your business, and they are.

I got to tell you,

I feel at times, I'll be on a plane, and I think we are like one scruffy dog with one blue eye just walking down the aisle creepily away from Third World Airlines.

I mean, it's like, there are times when I'm like, is there a chicken going to run down the aisle too?

I mean, what country do we live in?

It really is the greyhound of the sky now.

It is.

There's no question.

Like, my mother was a stewardess in the 1930s.

Everybody dressed up.

Yes.

Today, you're lucky if everybody is dressed.

I don't know why we haven't had you on before, Mike.

You're very funny.

Mike, thank you so much for an inside look on this.

I appreciate it.

It's my pleasure, sir.

Thank you.

Mike Boyd, aviation expert from the Boyd Group International.

He's the president and CEO.

He's a guy who consults all these airlines and tries to help fix them

and is

also testifying in front of Congress all the time on

how can we fix this.

Maybe, he's right, maybe we have some people that will actually now listen and fix it because they have the skill and the knowledge set that

the other leaders should have had the whole time.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Konstantin, welcome to the program.

Great to be back with you, Glenn.

How are you?

It is great, great to have you back.

I just have to play a clip for the audience to hear this bravery.

This is Doha Summit

on slavery.

Listen.

Slaves were the first good that were ever traded between human beings.

Ever.

They were the first good ever traded.

Native Americans had slaves.

Ottomans had slaves.

Africans had slaves.

Everybody had slaves.

The reason there is no slavery in the West is the British Empire, having practiced slavery for a long time, like everybody else, ended it.

Not only that, not only that,

the British Empire then spent a tremendous amount of blood and treasure to force the Middle Eastern slave traders with the Trans-Saharan slave trade being much worse than the Transatlantic slave trade in terms of the number of people who were killed.

In terms of the way that they were treated,

in terms of how long it lasted, it was much worse.

And we spent a tremendous amount of blood and treasure to stop it.

That's the true history of slavery.

Wow.

What was that moment like on the stage after?

Well, Glenn, let me fill out a few details for your audience.

First of all, if it sounds like I'm being very aggressive, it's only because I literally wasn't allowed to talk and I kept being screamed over by, well, the entire audience, and the moderator kept jumping in as well.

Well, one thing I'll correct if you don't mind is this wasn't actually in Doha.

I don't blame you for thinking that it was because it's a Doha debate.

And also, you'd be forgiven for thinking it's in Qatar because the demographics of the issue I was actually in Bradford in England which got to be hitting me

right

to some of the other stuff that we we can get into in the conversation

but yeah I'm really just quoting facts from there's a chapter in my book an immigrant's love letter to the west in which I talk about slavery I talk about the fact that my grandfather was taken from Ukraine as a slave laborer to Germany during the war.

So, you know, I try to make the point that slavery is a universal, terrible thing that human beings have done to each other throughout the ages.

And we've got to have a factual understanding of that issue.

And the metaphor I give in the book, and I think it's a valid one, is, you know, if you think about, you know, vegetarianism and veganism, if we ever get to a position, which I suspect we might if the vegans win the war, so to speak,

is, you know, to a position where we think eating animals is, you know, a terrible thing and that we shouldn't do, and we regret that we ever did that.

Well, would we then look at the countries that were the very first ones in history to end that practice of eating and killing animals and say, well, they are the worst ones in history.

They are the ones that must make amends.

They're the ones who should atone.

But that is exactly what we do with slavery.

Now, of course, you know, I've traveled, I'm very fortunate having traveled around your wonderful country.

I've been to probably at least half of the states, and I've seen many of the ways that you guys talk about the history of slavery in your country.

And I think it's very important.

I think we'd all agree about that.

But I just think we don't do this issue justice.

I went to the Slavery Museum in Liverpool in England here.

And it was a brilliant museum.

It covered the issue of slavery extremely well, except it never said who captured the slaves.

It never said who sold them.

It never said where else in the world that practice was ongoing.

And of course, it never talked about who ended the practice and who forced other people to end the practice of slavery.

So, yeah, I just think this issue is just not being factually covered.

And all the information is out there.

And by the way, I know that, you know, I personally don't think the truth has a skin color, but there are people who are who think that this issue should only be discussed by people whose ancestors may in some way have been affected by it.

Well, actually, all the facts in my book I took from people like Orlando Patterson, who's a Jamaican black sociologist, and of course the great Thomas Oll, one of the most brilliant men America has ever produced, happens to be a black guy as well.

So I just think we need to talk about the facts without all this rhetoric and the BS that often gets discussed on these issues.

And when you try to, people try and shout you down, as you saw.

So I, you know, I'm glad that this was happening in England.

I mean, not really, but because it brings up, I am so concerned about

Europe and England in particular.

You can't change the demographics that quickly.

and expect, especially when the demographics are changing and nobody's assimilate, they don't want to assimilate.

You can't injure and re-injure the native population and just put them in jail for speaking their mind about what's really going on.

You don't have a civilization that lasts long in

that kind of situation.

Where is England on the life cycle?

Yeah,

I don't know, Glenn.

It's a very worrying time, to be honest with you.

And

on my show on trigonometry, we just sat down and recorded a discussion with me and Francis where we talk about this very issue.

Because,

you know, it's kind of weird because on the one hand, you go out, you walk around and everything is sort of fine.

But on the other hand, you can also sense that the country is at fever pitch.

And there's a tremendous amount of concern about...

Look, I think I'm an immigrant myself, as you know.

I came to this country in 1995, 1996.

And my experience of British people is they're incredibly welcoming, incredibly friendly, incredibly tolerant of immigration.

But on the other hand, we have got to a point where, you know, the year that I came to Britain, 1996, 55,000 people came to Britain from other countries lawfully, legally.

Well, it's been about a year since we had an election in which the Labour Party were elected.

By the way, the Conservatives before them weren't any better, just to be clear.

But within that year, we've had 50,000 people come illegally on small boats into the country.

So you've got to understand, 30 years ago when I came here, 55,000 a year legally.

Now we've got that same number of people coming illegally.

And when they arrive, we don't deport them.

What we do instead is we escort them to a hotel.

We give them pocket money.

We look after them in every way imaginable, in a way that we don't even look after our own people anymore.

It's not a good place for our country to be in.

And a lot of us are very worried because on the one hand, we all want to say that we are concerned and we want things to change and we want to put pressure on the government to change.

But on the other hand, we've got demonstration outside these illegal migrant hotels almost every day.

And a lot of us are just very concerned that they're going to spill over into violence.

Yeah.

The thing that really

interests me is it doesn't appear that the Middle East is taking any of these refugees.

I've never seen so many refugees in my life.

But let's go back to Qatar for a minute.

How many refugees are they taking in from the Middle East?

Because I know they're preaching to us that we need to take more.

How many are they taking in?

Yeah, well, look, I don't know about Qatar.

I'm pretty sure they haven't taken a lot.

There are a lot of refugees in the Middle East.

There are lots in Lebanon.

There are in Jordan, in Egypt.

So I have the number of Qatar.

It's 197.

Well, that is very generous of you.

It's very generous.

If they maybe took some of those billions they're investing in indoctrinating our students and put them into helping refugees, that's something I think we'd all appreciate.

But I think your broader point is entirely correct, Len, which is that,

you know,

by the way, we should say this too.

A lot of these people who are coming to Britain, they're not actually refugees at all.

They're economic migrants.

And we know this.

Look, I make this joke very often, which I say I don't blame them.

I don't blame these people coming to Britain on small boats across the channel because I wouldn't want to stay in France either.

And my point is, you know, if you've traveled through about seven different countries that are perfectly safe and you've decided to come to Britain, there is a chance that you're not doing that simply because you're fleeing violence or persecution.

There's the chance that you're doing that because you just want to come to Britain.

And look, I've got no problem with people who want to come to Britain, as I once did.

I just think, and by the way, it's a very British thing.

I just think you've got to,

what we call a queue and what you call a line, it's one of the key British values is being able to stand in a line properly and know when it's your turn and act in a way that's fair.

But also, if you want to go to a country, then assimilate in that country.

I mean, the crime, the rape,

the demonstrations that I see on the streets,

the explosion of

mosques everywhere, you're losing the Christian heritage of England.

And maybe that's okay.

I don't think it is.

I think it was the Christian Western world that brought peace to the world as much as we had it.

But

they're not coming in and saying, you know what, yeah, we're Muslim, but we're also going to adapt to life in Great Britain because we like that as well.

They don't seem to like that.

Is that just an oppression from far off?

I think it's accurate to say that that of some people within the Muslim community.

I certainly wouldn't want to say that about everybody.

I think there are plenty.

And I know I have people that I know who are Muslims who've integrated beautifully, right?

But the problem we have is within that community, there is a unique problem, which is that there is a lot of extremism, there's a failure of integration, there's a barrier, and that barrier can be visually observed when people dress in a way that prevents face-to-face communication.

And that follows through with everything else.

You know, there is a lot of cousin marriage in that community, which means people are staying very, very insular.

It obviously causes a lot of genetic problems that then become health problems for all of us to pay for.

But just in general, there's a kind of isolationism within that community on the one hand.

And on the other hand, we have 40,000 jihadis on a terrorist watch list that we're all having to have our secret services snoop on.

at great government costs and of course a great threat to the public.

And so when you have terrorism terrorism and this kind of insulation and separation coming from one particular group, you have to start to ask whether that is going to work in our society.

And I think a lot of people are starting to ask the same questions as you are.

But at the same time, as I say, I think it's important to recognize, you know, and America is, by the way, has dealt with this issue very well.

You know, American Muslims are incredibly well integrated by and large, serving your armed forces, serving your government.

And

that is changing.

It is changing.

Yeah.

But that doesn't mean that there's not a ton of good.

I hate having to point this out every time because any reasonable person knows this.

But

there are those who don't have any intention of changing, who are working for Sharia law.

And then there are the others who are like, no, that's why I left.

That's why I'm over here.

I still believe in Islam, but not that kind of Islam.

And that's, I think, a really important distinction because if people want to come and integrate and live peacefully and they want to worship a different God to you and I,

they're most welcome.

But once you start to try and impose your values on other people, or frankly, when you start getting away with horrific crimes that get covered up because your skin color happens to be different, then we've got a problem.

Constantine, thank you so much for talking to us.

It's always great to have it.

I'd love to have you back for a longer podcast at some point.

Anytime.

Thanks for having me, Glad.

Thank you.

You bet.

Constantine Kissen.

Check out his podcast if you haven't,

Trigonometry,

which is

really good.

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