Did We Just Debunk a Piece of the JFK Puzzle? | Guests: Shane Stevens & Scott Robertson | 3/27/25

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Speaker 1 We're going to start where I left off last night on our special on the JFK files. Stu watched it,

Speaker 1 and I don't want to go over it. There's a lot to talk about.

Speaker 1 We're going to hit that a little bit here, but

Speaker 1 saving that for a little later on in the program where I have a couple of guests coming in. What I also want to talk about is I,

Speaker 1 and maybe it's just because it's JFK week on the program, but I,

Speaker 1 something's wrong with this signal thing. Something is not right.

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Speaker 1 Well, let's say hello to Stu. Hello, Stu.
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Speaker 3 Glenn, how are you?

Speaker 1 I'm good. I'm tired.
I was

Speaker 1 helping Judicial Watch raise some money yesterday. They are such a good organization.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So I'm here in Miami, Florida. I was at the Doral.
It is so weird to

Speaker 1 be at all these Donald Trump hotels and everything. It's just weird that he's the president of the United States and he's got all these hotels.

Speaker 1 But I think it's different than it was last time. I think last time he was in office, I think he was really, really hurt.
Those hotels and the business really hurt.

Speaker 1 Try getting a room at a Donald Trump hotel now.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that definitely seems like something totally different from the first time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it does. And I'm glad.
I'm glad.

Speaker 1 All right. Let me, first of all, did you watch the show last night? I did, yeah.
Yeah, okay. So what did you think?

Speaker 3 Well, it was really, really entertaining and engaging. I think, you know,

Speaker 3 it was,

Speaker 3 first of all, the

Speaker 3 recreation of the shot that you had to do, which I would argue was maybe a more difficult shot than what Lee Harvey Oswald actually had to do. I think it was.

Speaker 1 I think it was. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, just, you know, at one point, you see the truck bouncing through this field.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 I mean, I drive on Dallas roads.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of potholes, but it's not that bad. Not that.

Speaker 1 Not that bad. No, not a T Lee potholer.
No, that was nicely paved.

Speaker 3 Yes, it was nicely paved. But yeah, it was really interesting.

Speaker 3 Really good interviews. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I mean, maybe a lot of people took it in on YouTube or Pluto, which had a lot of really good stuff, but you can get the extended stuff is where I watched it on Blaze TV.

Speaker 3 And there was a lot to take in.

Speaker 3 The interviews were really interesting.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 there's a lot to cover.

Speaker 1 I don't want to get into it yet, but did it make you think or open your mind and go, well, now wait a minute, maybe.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, I was going to bring this up to you.

Speaker 3 I thought it was interesting that, I mean, talking to you here on radio about this as it was getting closer and then talking to you a little bit off the air about it, it felt like you were

Speaker 3 more, like, I don't know if you'd been won over by some of the CIA involvement stuff, but it seemed like you were more

Speaker 3 open to that than I thought you were going into the special.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I was, because as we were piecing it together,

Speaker 1 you know, we have all of our researchers. Everybody was working on the JFK files.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I saw bits and pieces come across my desk, and they're like, look at this, look at this, look at this.

Speaker 1 But it wasn't until it was all assembled and I started reading the script on how it was all coming together that it clicked in my mind that, ah,

Speaker 1 no, there's something really wrong here. At the same time, I am convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald made the shot by himself.
It happened that way.

Speaker 1 Because I'm, you know, they said on the special last night, you're a good shot. I don't consider myself a good shot with a rifle.
I'm a good shot with a pistol. I'm a good shot with a shotgun, but

Speaker 1 I don't shoot rifles, you know, just not because I don't like to or anything else. I just have never gone hunting because I just don't have the time

Speaker 1 and don't shoot with a rifle and a scope. Haven't done it probably in five years, maybe.
So I don't consider myself a good shot with a rifle, but you know,

Speaker 1 they didn't consider

Speaker 1 Lee Harvey Oswald a good shot either. And if I could make that shot

Speaker 1 on that field where the where the target was bouncing as much as it was, and I took three shots and I hit all three, he easily could have done it. Easily could have done it, I believe.

Speaker 1 And he only, he he only, he missed one and hit the other two.

Speaker 1 So I was convinced that, yes, he did it.

Speaker 1 But I'm also seeing, and I think it's because of the timing of this, seeing what I'm seeing happening in our country today, seeing what Doge has exposed going on with things like USAID, et cetera, what's happening right now is exactly the same pattern.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 And that, I think, is what hit me while I was doing the show. As I was putting it up on the chalkboard and stuff, it's just all baking in my head.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 I think this is right. I really think this is right.

Speaker 1 So, we'll get into that later.

Speaker 1 Let me take you to another thing that involves the intelligence

Speaker 1 community.

Speaker 1 So, there were these hearings up on Capitol Hill, and it all turned in about Signal, okay?

Speaker 1 And what happened with Signal and the

Speaker 1 war plans that were released to

Speaker 1 an Atlantic reporter?

Speaker 1 And it's bothered me because I thought, who has this reporter? And then, Stu, you and I talked about it on Monday.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, Walt was a congressman, so he might have had that in his Rolodex, but not necessarily in your Signal Rolodex.

Speaker 1 And then Walt has come out and said, no, I don't have his number.

Speaker 1 That's not not what happened. Then they came out and said, maybe it was somebody in his office.
And then they came out and said, it wasn't somebody in his office. So how did it get there?

Speaker 1 And I've been,

Speaker 1 and again, I would like you to talk me down from the conspiracy tree here, but I think it's worth considering. what's going on.

Speaker 1 I've been to Washington, I don't know how many times in the last five years, I've had congressmen ask me, can you leave your cell phone outside? Sure. Let's go for a walk.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You're carrying any electronics?

Speaker 1 Do you have an Apple watch? No, I don't. Okay.

Speaker 1 And then they'll say outside as we're walking quietly.

Speaker 1 The CIA is monitoring everything that we're doing in Congress. They're monitoring all of us.
And two of them have told me, we've been threatened behind closed doors. We've been threatened by the CIA.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that was a little scary to hear that. And I've heard it over and over and over again.
And then when I see the JFK special, which you can see at Blaze TV,

Speaker 1 you'll see that's what they were doing in the 1960s. They were wiretapping people.
You don't have to do all that wiretapping. You don't have to do that now.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's so easy for them to spy on congressmen and senators and people in the administration.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they also, at the time, they were also orchestrating things.

Speaker 1 And when they felt threatened, they upped the orchestration of things to hurt the president at the time. And that's kind of the theory that we were laying out

Speaker 1 from the JFK files. I'm not putting,

Speaker 1 I don't know how deep their involvement went with the Intel community, but

Speaker 1 I believe they had to be involved. And either they just saw Oswald coming and just let him do it, you know what I mean? And just all of a sudden,

Speaker 1 they're following him everywhere, except on that day. Gee, we, where did we put our Lee Harvey Oswald?

Speaker 1 So they may not have orchestrated or done anything, but the point is, they didn't do anything on that day.

Speaker 1 So let's go back to Signal.

Speaker 1 This meeting.

Speaker 1 that we've seen, this testimony where it was all about Signal and the failure of the government to actually keep our Houthi war plans secret, which, as I told you on Monday, I have a problem with.

Speaker 1 There's a problem.

Speaker 1 The more we dig into it, the worse it gets. That testimony came at something that had been scheduled for all of the

Speaker 1 Intel community and the DNI. So everybody knew that that hearing was coming up.
And just before that hearing, these war plans are released.

Speaker 1 And so that hearing is no longer about all the threats around the world. It becomes about Donald Trump and this out-of-control group that are just so irresponsible, they'd include

Speaker 1 a hostile

Speaker 1 journalist to have access to the top secret war planning. Now, maybe, and I mean that sincerely, maybe,

Speaker 1 but it seems awfully coincidental and awfully convenient.

Speaker 1 So the use of signal, everybody's clutching their pearls except for the government. So Tulsi Gabbard's

Speaker 1 in front of the House Intelligence Committee and she testifies that signal comes pre-installed on government devices. This policy, she says,

Speaker 1 backs up to a CISA

Speaker 1 recommendation during the Biden administration. What is the CISA?

Speaker 1 This This is the organization that we know because of other shows we've done, other reporting, because of Michael Schellenberger. We know that is

Speaker 1 an organization that is helping manipulate

Speaker 1 the media

Speaker 1 and helping manipulate the algorithms and

Speaker 1 information on people. Okay?

Speaker 1 It's a horrible, horrible organization.

Speaker 1 So, why is the CISA recommending to put a private

Speaker 1 app

Speaker 1 on all of the government computers? Why would we do that when we have our own secure app?

Speaker 1 So, the testimony comes just a day after CIA Director John Radcliffe tells the Senate that the very first thing that happened when he went into office after he was confirmed is Tex came in, I'm quoting, Tex came into my office and uploaded signal on all of my devices

Speaker 1 now

Speaker 1 that's odd because

Speaker 1 why is the united states intelligence community so trusting of a private encryption app

Speaker 1 i mean that's that's odd isn't it especially if you know you're supposed to be on government apps there's supposed to be a record now they say that well they have strict rules on this.

Speaker 1 You have to report it within 20 days. But if you're on signal, the conversation disappears.
So, how are you going to know anyway?

Speaker 1 Why would you allow the government to

Speaker 1 government officials to go off of a government app

Speaker 1 to use a secure app that we supposedly can't get into,

Speaker 1 and then just trust everybody that you're going to report on what was seen?

Speaker 1 It doesn't any sense at all.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 where's this app come from?

Speaker 1 How did the name of the journalist from the Atlantic, how did his name,

Speaker 1 how did, did Waltz just click on it? Because this has happened to me before.

Speaker 1 You're sending out an email, you go to your contacts, you push a name, and then you realize you've just sent, you know, I don't know, you know, a hot picture of yourself to your Aunt Margaret.

Speaker 1 You're like, no.

Speaker 1 We've all been there, Glenn. We've all been there.

Speaker 1 Poor Aunt Margaret. But yeah, we've all been there.
Yeah, we've all been there.

Speaker 1 So is it incompetence, which it could be, it could be, or is it the biggest stroke of luck in the history of sudden strikes of luck ever? for the journalist and for the CIA.

Speaker 1 So the public went into speculation mode, and we did too. We immediately said it's a stupid mistake and tried to make sense of it, and we want to make sure this gets wrong.

Speaker 1 But did Walsh click on the wrong name?

Speaker 1 Well, that doesn't make sense, and it no longer fits what the White House and what Walsh is saying.

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Speaker 1 So I'm going to be called a giant conspiracy theorist for this, and you know, that's fine.

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Speaker 1 Okay, so... Did Waltz click on the wrong name with

Speaker 1 the app and the war gaming that was going on. Well, it didn't make sense because Goldberg is no friend and they didn't know one another.

Speaker 1 But maybe, maybe he had him in his contact list because, you know, sometimes I have people that are journalists that I don't agree with in my contact book. But check this out from Mike Walsh on NBC.

Speaker 1 He said, quote, a staffer was not responsible. You've got somebody else's number on somebody else's contact.
So, of course, I didn't see this guy in the group. It looked like someone else.

Speaker 1 Now, whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean

Speaker 1 is something we're trying to figure out. Now let me give you part of that again.
It was somebody else's number on someone else's contact and

Speaker 1 some other technical mean.

Speaker 1 Now, what the hell does that mean?

Speaker 1 Well, he's describing, you know, if you try to text your wife, you know, or your husband, and then the number has been changed to somebody else's and you end up texting your shopping list, you know, for the grocery store to an electrician.

Speaker 1 Okay, the contact said it was your wife, but the number had been changed for some reason. Now, who has the technical capability to do that? Or as Walt just said, technical mean to pull that off.

Speaker 1 Who could reach into a government lockdown device and mess with contacts and numbers in signal?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm just spitballing, but I know the United States intelligence community can do that.

Speaker 1 We know the entire foreign policy apparatus at large is not happy with the Trump administration.

Speaker 1 He's mandating that we step back, disassociate with operations having to do with regime change, disengage from Ukraine, et cetera, et cetera. And they do not like him.

Speaker 1 They like him as much as they liked John F. Kennedy.
And it is exactly the same thing that we have found in the newly released JFK files.

Speaker 1 JFK, as we said on the special last night, was at war with the CIA. There's no other way to describe it.
He was at war. He first fired director Alan Dulles.

Speaker 1 Dulles, ever heard of Dulles Airport in Washington, D.C. Dulles was the first CIA director.
Everybody loved Alan Dulles, except for JFK.

Speaker 1 He fired him when he came in. He attacked one of the primary sources of global operations called the ICA, the International Cooperation Administration.
He says

Speaker 1 this was just a CIA money laundering system.

Speaker 1 So he

Speaker 1 abolished that and replaced him with something new that was just going to serve the world called USAID.

Speaker 1 Huh.

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Speaker 1 Wait until you hear the rest of the story here on the Signal app. Next.

Speaker 1 I want to give you a theory, and this is just a theory. I don't know yet, but I am.

Speaker 1 I don't trust our intelligence community at all.

Speaker 1 And when it comes to signal story, I just want to throw something out. And this has really come clear to me as a theory

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 this whole signal thing is kind of a setup in a way.

Speaker 1 Let me take you back to what we found out through the JFK files. First of all, JFK fires Director Dulles,

Speaker 1 one of the founding members of the CIA. And he does it because there's a Schlesinger memo that comes out and says the CIA is out of control.
It's doing all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 It's laundering money through our NGOs, through government institutions. I mean, exactly what's happening today.

Speaker 1 And then he goes after their primary source of global operations,

Speaker 1 which was an agency called the ICA, the International Cooperation Administration. He says, I'm shutting that down.
He shuts it down. Everybody goes crazy.

Speaker 1 You're going to destroy all of the things, the good things we're doing in the world. Does any of this sound familiar? And he opens up USAID instead.
Well, the CIA is like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Well, oh, boy, we're really upset. Okay, well, we'll have to live with USAID.
And then they infiltrate that and they do the same thing that the ICA was doing.

Speaker 1 They just start laundering money and doing ops that nobody knows about through USAID, just like they did before.

Speaker 1 We also know from the JFK files that the CIA infiltrated U.S. media outlets.
We know that's happened now. They used media as a weapon.
We know they're doing that now.

Speaker 1 They shaped the opinions and leveraged journalists and their contacts. We know that's happening.

Speaker 1 One of those included a contact tied directly to the then Attorney General RFK.

Speaker 1 They were spying on many people, including Barry Goldwater and RFK.

Speaker 1 They infiltrated private businesses like the airline Pan Ams.

Speaker 1 They also

Speaker 1 were repeating almost just different names, almost exactly the same pattern, which leads to an assassination on the President of the United States. So I want you to put that in your frame of mind.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean that what I'm about to suggest to you happened.

Speaker 1 I'm suggesting that maybe we should be very, very careful because we are dealing with one of the most dangerous agencies ever to grace the planet called the CIA and American intelligence.

Speaker 1 So let's go back to Signal. What does this have to do with the latest mistake with Signal? I told you I've talked to several members of Congress and the Senate that have said they're spying on us.

Speaker 1 We know it. We've even been threatened in,

Speaker 1 you know, behind closed doors by the intelligence agencies.

Speaker 1 So we know they're spying on our Congress, and

Speaker 1 they have been saying, Congress, the Intel community has been saying, you got to use these devices because we fear there are things going on with foreign countries.

Speaker 1 Well, the way you would handle that is not to

Speaker 1 send out signal and install signal from a private corporation and install it on everybody's computer in the administration. You wouldn't do that to everybody's computer in the House and the Senate.

Speaker 1 You would say, you use this because this is our secured router, right?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Signal itself has an interesting background. It was developed by an organization called Open Whisper Systems.
They received millions of dollars in government funds.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute. What?

Speaker 1 They received millions of dollars in government funds to create SIGNAL.

Speaker 1 The funds flowed from, wait for this one, the Open Technology Fund, a government organization that was created back in 2012 under the Obama administration, under Radio Free Asia.

Speaker 1 Now, Radio Free Asia, what is that? That's a message into China saying, hey, things aren't really like they're telling you.

Speaker 1 Why did the CIA, through Radio Free Asia, create signal, something that has nothing to do with broadcasting information into China, right?

Speaker 1 And where did Radio Free Asia, have we heard about that in the last two weeks?

Speaker 1 Yes, the Trump administration just closed Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe, because they said they were direct weapons of the CIA during the Cold War, and then it is morphed into a direct weapon against us.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 so the connection between the cia and organizations like radio free europe and asia is well documented and then they take funding through radio free asia and they develop something with government money that the cia is involved in and create the signal messaging app and then that same cia which we now know has been doing things to create revolutions not only around the world but inside the the United States, and they are desperate to hold on to power, they install that signal app.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Also, another coincidence, Wikileaks published Vault 7 that stated the CIA had tools that

Speaker 1 let them access signal and WhatsApp. Tucker Carlson went through this.
Remember when he said, I've been hacked, my signal messages were hacked by the NSA.

Speaker 1 Now, maybe it was random luck for Goldberg, you know, a major opposition journalist, randomly got into the government cabinet-level signal group chat, okay?

Speaker 1 And maybe the CIA no longer infiltrates the media anymore like they did in the 60s. And maybe they no longer infiltrate U.S.
private companies anymore, like they did in the 60s.

Speaker 1 And maybe they don't surveil presidential campaigns anymore like they did to Barry Goldwater or RFK, or forget about this one, the one they did to Donald Trump. Maybe that was the exception.

Speaker 1 And it's also probably just a big coincidence that the intelligence community apparently thought so highly of the signal app that they immediately rushed to install it on every device when we're worried about leaks.

Speaker 1 And they did it for everyone in the government. You want to have any secret conversations? It'll disappear.
Here, put it on this device. And by the way, we can't get into it.
Nobody can.

Speaker 1 Huh.

Speaker 1 And maybe all of this is a coincidence that this story was released the day before the senate select committee on intelligence met for hearings i mean what a perfect storm of good luck for those who stand uh against freedom

Speaker 1 i'm not sure it has anything at all to do

Speaker 1 that this story uh dominated the entire hearing or how it caused even conservatives to claim that the trump administration has has committed a huge mistake.

Speaker 1 And maybe it did, but there are too many smoking guns around this one to take it at face value.

Speaker 1 And I'm not really saying this to you as much as I'm saying this to the President of the United States and the administration. You must find out,

Speaker 1 did Waltz

Speaker 1 actually,

Speaker 1 accidentally fat finger and put the Atlantic journalist on that? What actually happened? And it is important for the administration to not use the WhatsApp

Speaker 1 because that is a false sense of security. You may not be feeding our enemies overseas, but you may very well be

Speaker 1 feeding our enemies that are not foreign but domestic.

Speaker 1 I think we should all be careful. on what's happening here.
We brought Jason Buttrell in. He is a military and global affairs expert, and he is also the head writer of the Glenbeck TV program.

Speaker 1 Welcome. How are you, Jason?

Speaker 6 Good, Glenn. Thanks.

Speaker 1 So your thoughts on this?

Speaker 6 I think that the CIA ⁇ so to clarify some of the CIA connections through Signal, what's interesting is just like USAID, they don't like publicly state, oh,

Speaker 6 the CIA is using USAID to pull off soft power, you know, and regime change things all over the world.

Speaker 6 It's equally, you know, fuzzy as far as how much funding and direction they're giving organizations like Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe. Back in the day, it was not fuzzy at all.

Speaker 6 It was well documented. Then, when they changed it and they did a lot of manipulation around, we kind of like not, we're not exactly sure how involved the CIA is.
And that's one of the things.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter

Speaker 1 as long as they have a back door. And what Mike Wall said on NBC the other day,

Speaker 1 I don't know this for sure, but what he said on NBC, and let me see if I can find find this exact quote here.

Speaker 1 He said,

Speaker 1 a staffer wasn't responsible. You have somebody else's number on somebody else's contact.
So, of course, I didn't see this guy in the group. It looked like someone else.

Speaker 1 Now, whether he did it, a staffer, deliberately, or it happened in some other technical mean is something we're trying to figure out.

Speaker 1 What he's saying is the CIA might have just gone in because they have full full access and they could change things. They could make one number look like another person

Speaker 1 and they could have added it and nobody would have known. And there's no fingerprints because it's a CIA and they have access into that app.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Let me let me put it into this context.
Imagine it's not the government for just a second.

Speaker 6 Imagine if you work at a company and the company who is known to, you know, use your emails and all that stuff against you, let's just say, you know, there's, I don't know, some kind of employment issue and they pull up your email.

Speaker 6 Or maybe they put up some text messages. If they said, you must put this app on all of your phones, would you be suspicious about that?

Speaker 7 Would you think that,

Speaker 6 and I say that because personally, I've worked for a company in the past where they were like, you have to use a phone that has this protocol on it. And I was like, that's weird.

Speaker 6 Like, why do I have to use this phone? I want to use another phone.

Speaker 7 No, you have to use this phone that has this protocol on it.

Speaker 6 Well, I asked one of our IT guys later. Again, this is another company.
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Speaker 6 He took me back to the servers and he pulled up every a folder on every single person in the company that worked there. He clicked into it and it gave him access to every single person's phone.

Speaker 6 He could read their text messages. He could see the photographs.
He could see everything. This is very obvious, basic stuff if you know about IT and like in mobile stuff in general

Speaker 6 or how exchange services work. Now,

Speaker 3 in that context, does this make any sense?

Speaker 3 Does it make any sense that the government, the people that are supposed to be the most suspicious, the CIA, NSA, all that people, all those people, just blanket trust this phone application?

Speaker 2 It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 Why you use it?

Speaker 3 Even if they did put it on your phone, why would you ever use it, right? Like, I would be very suspicious of that arrangement.

Speaker 3 Why wouldn't you say, hey, DARPA, just create for us a private encrypted messaging system? And we have one.

Speaker 1 We have one.

Speaker 1 We do have one. Also, also,

Speaker 1 the policy to make sure that signal is on all devices for government officials, that goes back to a CISA recommendation.

Speaker 1 Can you just remind people who the CISA is?

Speaker 6 Jason? Oh, what's it stand for?

Speaker 1 Hang on, let me pull it up. I don't remember what it stands for either.
But it is...

Speaker 6 It is. It's cybersecurity, basically.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's the cybersecurity arm that was put together under the Biden administration that we have found is absolutely nefarious.

Speaker 1 They were the ones that were spearheading a lot of the spying, a lot of the disinformation. They were the ones working directly with the

Speaker 1 big social apps to force them and say, hey, hey, hey, stop with this.

Speaker 1 Their fingerprints are all over almost everything that is bad. They're not protecting the American people.
They are monitoring and hoaxing the American people.

Speaker 1 Why would we trust Signal

Speaker 1 if they're the ones that said, oh, yeah, no, you can trust it. Go ahead.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Cliff, you bring up a big point.

Speaker 6 Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, they're the ones that were outed a big time expose by Michael Schellenberger, who are right at the center of the censorship regime,

Speaker 6 going through social media posts and getting people banned during the Biden administration.

Speaker 3 Just absolutely amazing.

Speaker 1 You don't trust it. No government official, and I don't think you should either, you should ever use Signal.
It's clearly a government-sponsored or government collusion or government-hacked app.

Speaker 1 Don't trust it. In your opinion.

Speaker 1 In my opinion. Thank you, Stu.
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Speaker 1 He owns an audio tape that allegedly links LBJ to JFK and the assassination. Wait until you hear this story.

Speaker 1 We had it on last night, and

Speaker 1 if you watch my Wednesday night special on YouTube tonight,

Speaker 1 you'll get most of it.

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Speaker 1 especially the Shane Stevens one. This guy came out and has shown this tape for the first time publicly a few months ago.

Speaker 1 We've done all of our homework on it to make sure that it is as legitimate as we can verify.

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Speaker 1 wait until you hear the connections and what he says.

Speaker 1 about the JFK shooting and the involvement of LBJ.

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Speaker 1 Who is that?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 he'll tell you the story, but he has a tape from his grandfather, along with the guy who was the head of the DNC at the time, talking about how LBJ

Speaker 1 had JFK killed.

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Speaker 1 We welcome our executive producer, Stubergeere, and Shane Stevens, the grandson of Billy Solestis. Hello, Shane.
How are you?

Speaker 8 I'm wonderful. How are you?

Speaker 1 I'm good. It was interesting, and I don't mean that in a bad way.
It was really interesting meeting you when we got together to listen to the tape.

Speaker 1 Your story of your grandfather, I still don't know if I fully understand it, but it is is fascinating what you and your family have gone through beginning with your grandfather.

Speaker 1 Can you begin to tell me first who your grandfather is or was and

Speaker 1 what happened to him?

Speaker 8 Absolutely. Yeah, so my grandfather was Billy Saul Estes.

Speaker 8 And the Estes family, that goes back to, you know, 1800s, they were

Speaker 8 co-founders of the town of Clyde, Texas, and still have a farm out there to this day as part of their original homestead. And,

Speaker 8 you know, he grew up poor with a bunch of brothers and sisters in Clyde, and he was given a, I think, a pig for his maybe eighth or ninth birthday.

Speaker 8 And then that turned into a whole flock of lambs by the time he was 12 or 13. Then at 16, he had a huge herd of cattle.

Speaker 8 And, you know, he basically just always had a business mind and wanted to be something. And

Speaker 8 he started, I think it was Roosevelt, perhaps, that he was sending letters to about the grain shortages and the droughts in Texas. And so he helped

Speaker 8 auction that off. And just he became one of the top ten outstanding young men under the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce by the time he was in his mid twenties. And then

Speaker 8 by the time 1960 or 1962 rolled around, he was worth $400 million.

Speaker 8 So he built the empire out in West Texas and started, came from nothing and, you know, sadly ended up passing away with nothing because it was all taken away.

Speaker 1 And let's go into that before we go into the story of the tape and the assassination. Let's go into that.
Your grandfather ended up going to prison. Why did he go to prison?

Speaker 8 So that was

Speaker 8 a trial to where in the early 60s you had two big scandals going. One was the Billy Saul Esta scandal and the other one was the Bobby Baker scandal, both of them surrounding LBJ.

Speaker 8 And there were a lot of other folks involved in pay-to-play with LBJ here in Texas. But

Speaker 8 these were the two that the Kennedys, and really I think Bob BSAG and

Speaker 8 JFK were focused in on. And so they sent somewhere between 50 and 60 FBI agents down to look into

Speaker 8 my granddad and his dealings with

Speaker 8 with LBJ. And it really circled around a couple of things.

Speaker 8 One was cotton allotments and then the second one was grain storage contracts and kind of tied in with that were these antihydrous ammonia storage tanks that was a big new deal at the time.

Speaker 1 Okay, so to not get into all the details, was your grandfather guilty of any kind of stuff with LBJ?

Speaker 8 Yes, he was as far as he had given LBJ a lot of money, and then they had back-end deals to to where LBJ would get, say, 10% of a business. Okay.

Speaker 8 And that would go to him. And so,

Speaker 8 you know, it's nothing that doesn't happen today.

Speaker 1 You know, it still happens on a huge level. Yeah.

Speaker 8 But he was certainly guilty of that.

Speaker 1 So the Kennedys were after really LBJ, not your grandfather, but the closest they could get to LBJ was your grandfather, right? And along with others.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 why were the Kennedys so intent on this? Because LBJ was the vice president.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 they brought LBJ on, not because they wanted to, but because they knew that he could carry the vote in the southern states, and they needed those votes.

Speaker 8 So that was part of their goal of getting into the White House. And once they got in,

Speaker 8 the corruption and kind of the evil of Linden was a huge concern to them. They wanted him him off of the ticket.
So they went after him.

Speaker 8 They were about to do a big publicity release on LBJ talking about the scandals he was involved in to start to destroy his character and force him out if he wouldn't willingly step out.

Speaker 1 And it's kind of amazing that you would say destroy his character because as we know now, maybe not then, this guy was really bad. I mean, really bad.

Speaker 1 He was a huge racist who gets credit for, you know, the civil rights movement and everything else.

Speaker 1 He was not a civil rights leader in the least

Speaker 1 and a big racist and

Speaker 1 really a dirty guy.

Speaker 8 Yeah, in fact, there's stories that I really don't even want, we can't talk about here, but in person I could share about MLK and some things that potentially happened there and

Speaker 8 how that got out of control. But

Speaker 8 he was about it for the votes and preserving the Democratic Party. It was not based on his personal belief on the civil rights activity.

Speaker 8 However, my granddad was absolutely all about civil rights and helping there.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Shane,

Speaker 1 your grandfather is now taking the heat. He goes to jail for LBJ.
When does he make this tape? and who is he talking to?

Speaker 9 Perfect. Yeah, so it was around,

Speaker 8 I think, 71, 72 when he got out, and there's a very short timeline in which it could have been done. And he was talking with Cliff Carter or Clifton Carter, and he told me that.

Speaker 1 Who was Cliff Carter?

Speaker 8 So Cliff Carter was LBJ's right-hand man. I'm talking back to the 40s when LBJ ran this,

Speaker 8 I think it was like Young Men's Youth Association or something along those lines,

Speaker 8 Cliff Carter worked for him there. Cliff Carter took over that organization when LBJ went on to run for office.

Speaker 8 And then once LBJ got in office, then Cliff Carter ended up coming to him after he served in the military for a while.

Speaker 8 And then

Speaker 8 he was basically his bagman, which means he would go collect the money from people.

Speaker 8 He was

Speaker 8 his right-hand man on all aspects of getting things done.

Speaker 8 He was kind of his lieutenant, I guess you could say, on making things happen.

Speaker 8 And then he went on to run the DNC for a while in the 60s. And at the time of this tape in 71, 72, my granddad had gotten out of prison, let's say, in July of that year.

Speaker 8 Well, Cliff died perhaps in October or November of that year. What we had always heard is Cliff Carter died three days after this tape was recorded.
And I always thought that was suspect.

Speaker 8 But after looking up these timelines of when my granddad got out of prison, when Cliff Carter passed away, I'm like, well, nothing, worst case scenario, it was within a couple of few months.

Speaker 1 Tell me about what's on the tape now.

Speaker 8 All right. Well, as you go through, I mean, these guys are talking as simple and plain as day.
And I remember the first time I heard it, it took my breath away.

Speaker 8 I probably had some tears because it was just as blatant, frank, open, simple dialogue as if it had been discussed a thousand times before about how LBJ was involved and behind and a key central figure in the assassination of the president.

Speaker 8 And then they go on to say, well, could it have been handled any other way after all the embarrassment he had suffered from LBJ and what the Kennedys were trying to do?

Speaker 8 And I'm like, well, no, no, he couldn't have beat them, And there's no way he was going to get back on the ticket. So he, I guess, to accomplish his goals, he had to do what he had to do.

Speaker 8 And then, you know, they go through and talk about some other kind of interesting figures and characters within it that I've dug into and found some fascinating connections with as well.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 there's a mention of an assassin.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 1 Tell me

Speaker 1 what that's about.

Speaker 8 So I talk about Malcolm Wallace.

Speaker 8 Mac Wallace, Mike Wallace. It can be multiple different names.
But again,

Speaker 8 easy to look up him and his history of,

Speaker 8 let's say it was in the 40s, 50s, something along those lines.

Speaker 8 LBJ's sister, Josepha, was dating a Doug Kinzer. And Doug Kinzer was a, I think he was a golf pro

Speaker 8 and at University of Texas or something along those lines, some golf course here. And Mac Wallace had been a very high performing individual, I think, at UT.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 for whatever reason, Mac Wallace went, and I'd heard it was because Doug Kinzer was beaten up on Josepha, or he had too much information about LBJ.

Speaker 8 But Mac Wallace went and killed him.

Speaker 8 I mean, just blatant, open, killed him in front of folks, got arrested, and went to trial, only got sentenced to five years, and then LBJ immediately ensured that that sentence was adjudicated, and he did not serve time for cold-blooded murder.

Speaker 8 And after that, LBJ had Mac Wallace as his guy.

Speaker 1 All right. I want to take a quick break, and then I want to come back and ask you to tie all of this together because you've talked to Mac's grandchildren, if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 1 why, what, why were they talking, your grandfather and Cliff, why were they talking about LBJ? What, why were they openly discussing this?

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Speaker 1 Okay, so tell me why your grandfather made this tape, do you think, and why they were talking about how dangerous LBJ is?

Speaker 8 Yeah, so he had always said that he had tapes,

Speaker 8 some from before the assassination, and then also these after,

Speaker 8 and that Cliff Carter was a knowing participant in recording those, and they started doing it after

Speaker 8 LBJ had Mac kill Henry Marshall.

Speaker 8 And so after that killing and I guess perhaps others that they had seen, they're like, we better start watching our own backs. And so they were recording these conversations.

Speaker 8 So they would have, and I got a, I think it's called Dead Man's Drop, but basically a way of if something happens to me, then I can release this and it's going to destroy you and your legacy.

Speaker 8 And so basically you're going down with me.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 8 So it was an insurance policy to protect both of them and their lives.

Speaker 8 And sadly, you know, my granddad, he lived until 2012.

Speaker 8 But Cliff, he still died in 1972, which that's a whole nother story is if you look at the deaths of all the people that were involved in the assassination, they all died right around the same time frame, but we don't need to go down that rabbit trail right now.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 let me, Shane, go back to the tape itself. When you showed me the tape and you had it a little baggy, I about had a heart attack.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 I think this is really important history.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't know if there's a way we can truly ever verify, but we're going to find a way. And I want to make sure that it's preserved right.
And I want to talk to members of your family.

Speaker 1 When was the first time you heard about these tapes? Give me the chain of possession, if you will.

Speaker 8 I mean, I started hearing about these tapes in, you know, the mid-80s, early 80s.

Speaker 8 And me, my brother, cousins, we'd kind of talk about it.

Speaker 8 You know, Saul says that, you know,

Speaker 8 we're hearing that he knows who killed JFK and that the only reason that he stayed alive and all these other people died was because of these tapes that he has.

Speaker 8 And so it has been a curiosity thing for us forever. But these tapes did not surface until around maybe 2015 or 16.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 my uncle Daryl, he used to be my hairstylist in Abilene, Daryl Bright,

Speaker 8 he called his daughter Starr down in Horseshoe Bay

Speaker 8 or down in Marble Falls and said, hey, Starr, I've got these tapes that I've held on to forever, and I've got dementia now, and I don't know what to do with them.

Speaker 8 Saul always told me that if anything happened to him, or if I'd know the right time, that I needed to release them, and none of that ever happened, so I don't know what to do with them.

Speaker 8 So he

Speaker 8 star couldn't go get them, so my brother Clay went and got them and brought them down to me. And so I,

Speaker 8 in short order, sent them over to a place that could convert old tapes into digital media because I wanted to know what was on them. I was like, man, this could be some of them.
Right.

Speaker 8 And deep down, I was hoping they were the ones with LBJ talking on it, but those haven't surfaced yet. These are just the ones of, you know, Cliff and my granddad.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Still, still pretty significant. Let me just, because I'm only got about a minute now, just, and I want to get deep into this, but

Speaker 1 you got a call from

Speaker 1 the hitman, if you will, his grandchildren, and they said, what, they heard the same kind of stories from their grandfather?

Speaker 8 Yeah, and I don't think it's a grandchild, it's a

Speaker 8 relative, and

Speaker 8 there's information.

Speaker 8 They won't let me talk too much on it, but I think in time they'll probably be, they may want to come up with us when we come to your place on that deal.

Speaker 8 But anyways, yeah, they verified their family secrets and stories align with this.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. Shane, thank you so much.
And we're going to be doing more with you to preserve this history and also to delve a little deeper into it. It's a fascinating story.

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Speaker 1 Uh, we're spending more time on uh the JFK files than the show that I did last night, just because I think it tells you everything you need to know about what's happening today.

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Speaker 1 He is the current national record holder in the small gauge champion, eight world

Speaker 1 championships, named to all 54 American teams in trap. He's also the only competitive clay target athlete in the history of American Sporting Clays, 25 years running, to average over 90% consistently.

Speaker 1 The guy is really good. But what has he done with his life? I don't know.
Not much.

Speaker 1 Here's Scott robertson scott welcome to the program thanks glad thanks for having me first of all you're you're too good of a shot to have sat in that tractor pulling that vehicle that i was shooting at to recreate uh

Speaker 1 the uh the oswald shot i don't know why you did that we were asking can you want to get some more a longer chain because i don't know uh and uh and you didn't but thank you for pulling the the tractor uh and pulling that car tell me about about the shot that go ahead

Speaker 9 well going we got to give your audience a little context right i mean you don't have me on because i'm a good shooter you mainly have me on because i'm the only one crazy enough to actually get in the tractor um

Speaker 9 i you know the reason i'm here really is because i i do have a gun club about an hour from blaze or excuse me a mile from blaze studios and

Speaker 9 I'm the guy that you call when you have one of those hairbrain ideas. I mean, if you remember a couple of years ago, remember you came with the gun, chainsaw, multi-purpose, whatever that zombie is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
Yeah. It's great.

Speaker 9 So, you know, and then, you know, last week, my GM, who happens to be my best friend, says, hey, Glenn's guys called and they want to recreate the JFK deal. And I went, oh, crap.

Speaker 9 You know, Glenn, you're that friend that when people call, you're like, how much time and money is this?

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Sorry. I'm sorry, Scott.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 Glenn up to now. So, you know, Jason calls, and we have three days to recreate the deal and come up with an elevated platform.
Glenn wants a moving target. You know,

Speaker 9 it has to have, but you're left-handed and a right-handed gun. I mean, I'm like, oh, my God.
So, you know, when Jason gets up there earlier, he says, well, how long is your chain?

Speaker 9 I said, well, I don't know. We could put some together.
So I put the 20-foot, you know, batwing on the tractor and then a 20-foot chain.

Speaker 8 He goes, I I don't know that that's long enough.

Speaker 9 So we had another chain, and with the angle, I couldn't hardly get it long enough.

Speaker 1 But I know.

Speaker 1 That last shot,

Speaker 1 I mean, if I were a bad shot, the last shot, I mean, it was

Speaker 1 not good for you. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 9 Well, I just want you to know, when you turn to the staff and you say, hey, what do you guys think about this?

Speaker 9 When they pause, that's pretty much them saying to their boss, boss, this is a really dumb idea.

Speaker 9 Okay, I just, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 But as it turns out, but as it turns out,

Speaker 9 I don't say, Glenn, that sounds great. That's them saying, this is really a bad idea.

Speaker 1 But as it turned out, it wasn't, was it? Well,

Speaker 9 look, I want you to know, I want you to know, I am proud of you because, you know, you always say do your own homework.

Speaker 9 And from the last time I saw you shoot a couple years ago at the range, you have been doing your homework. and I am sincerely impressed because,

Speaker 9 you know, people,

Speaker 9 this was,

Speaker 9 you know, those shots that we did, first of all, you did prove that the shot can be made. I mean, I didn't think it could be before you did it, and so I think, you know,

Speaker 9 we proved that the shot could be made. I don't know.

Speaker 9 I'm still not convinced that's how it went down, but that's my own, that's my own.

Speaker 1 But I do, but we did rule this out because I have heard my whole life that, oh, it's a very difficult shot. Probably, no, I mean, very few people could make that shot.

Speaker 1 I made that shot, and I think the shot I made was more difficult. We had the wind against us, and we also, it wasn't a paved street the car was on.

Speaker 1 That truck was bumping, going up and down all the time. That was a difficult shot, and I don't consider myself a decent shooter with rifles and scopes.

Speaker 9 Well, I will tell you, I am impressed because I'm, first of all, I'm in this tractor and I'm thinking, I'm not sure this is a good idea. Now, you got to understand, I do lots of sketchy stuff.

Speaker 9 You know, I shoot one-handed off a bike and do all kinds of crazy stuff. Pogo stick.

Speaker 9 And so if I'm a little nervous,

Speaker 9 that's pretty sketchy. And so you're up on this tower with six or eight people.
You know, I have this truck that has this big lift and it's wobbly.

Speaker 9 So you're the and, you know, then the radio and the, and Jason's like, oh, the range is hot. And I'm looking at what seems to be down a barrel of a high-powered rifle with you up there with a

Speaker 9 boy, this is okay. I'm really hoping that Glenn's been practicing.
But anyway, I'm pulling this truck at 11 miles an hour, and it's in one of my fields. So it's bouncing up and down.

Speaker 9 Those balloons had to be bouncing probably 10 to 12 inches, you know, high and low. And I'm thinking, we are going to have to do this 10 times today, right? This is going going to take 10 takes.

Speaker 9 This is and then I look back and I see the first balloon explode, and I'm like, well, good for you, Glenn. You got one.
Okay, you know, we can always go to B-roll.

Speaker 9 And then you hit the next balloon, and then the truck is bouncing like crazy because there's a lag between the second shot and the third shot.

Speaker 9 And I'm thinking, wow. And then I see the third, you know, balloon explode, and I'm like, I am not believing this.
I mean, I I'm impressed.

Speaker 9 It's it's not an easy shot, but even more the way that we had to do it with the moving vehicle and the up and down.

Speaker 1 I think we both can say if I could do that, Oswald, the only thing he had that I didn't have was the pressure of killing the president, all the nerves. But I'm also left-handed, right-handed, gun.

Speaker 1 You know, we had other things going on that I think balanced things out. So I really believe he could have made the shot.
Now, tell what we found at the end that bothered you, that you brought up.

Speaker 9 Well, what was interesting is the grouping in the front windshield. So the bullet went back, it went through the balloon, which represented

Speaker 9 the target, and then went through the windshield, or excuse me, the back glass, and then all three bullets lodged in a very small group. in the front windshield.
And so what

Speaker 9 first thing I thought was interesting is how offset it was. It wasn't on the right side of the car, it was on the left side of the car.
Right?

Speaker 9 So, that was just interesting with the angle because we pretty much had the exact angles that it would have been in downtown Dial Cente.

Speaker 9 The other thing that I found interesting was that even though the truck was moving and there was a distance,

Speaker 9 we had the balloons lined up in such a way to represent

Speaker 9 stagnant in the car. And what was interesting was that all of the bullets landed in the front windshield in a small enough group that really

Speaker 9 asked more questions than we answered. Right? Like

Speaker 9 why was the guy in the in the in the why was the driver not hit? Why was the passenger not hit more than one time, right? So a lot of these things were weird.

Speaker 9 And so it really

Speaker 1 the way it came out with us, the the driver should have been killed. The driver absolutely should have been at least hit, but could could have been killed.

Speaker 1 It would have at least, the way we did it, it was too high up because we weren't six stories up. We were about two.

Speaker 1 And so it would have gone into his back instead of where we had it. It would have gone right through his head.

Speaker 1 But I went through the Warren Commission, and it said that, you know, the first bullet... landed in the street someplace.
It was such a bad shot. It didn't even enter the car.

Speaker 1 It just landed in the street and the kid was hit by a piece of the curb that broke off and hit him.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the headshot,

Speaker 1 they say that

Speaker 1 the headshot, the bullet completely disintegrated and broke up. So they've never found any pieces of that bullet.
Is that even possible?

Speaker 9 No,

Speaker 9 well.

Speaker 9 No,

Speaker 9 one of these days you should research the Bill Cooper video. That's the one that makes more logical sense to me.

Speaker 9 But,

Speaker 9 you know, that's a whole nother conspiracy. But

Speaker 9 if you watch that video, it does make more sense that he was actually shot with a CIA air pistol. And, you know, there was also a poison bullet.
That's why they had to change the brain out in Dallas.

Speaker 9 So, you know, I kind of come up more in that deal.

Speaker 9 But the real question when you start looking at the ballistics of it is when you shot that shot, the first shot being a miss

Speaker 9 I don't really buy that because how does a guy make two shots in a head at twice the distance of the first shot and the first shot is not found because yep that first shot you have to admit that was probably the easiest shot right oh it was easy yeah I was more concerned about the other one it was at a steeper angle I mean it was difficult 100% and so if if Oswald is good enough to hit the president one in the neck and one in the head, you're telling me that he's going to completely miss the car when in your scope, all you would see is car?

Speaker 9 It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 No. Right? So

Speaker 9 it's kind of hard to believe that the first shot was a miss. I don't, I, you know, and then when we start looking at the angles and the ballistics of what we did,

Speaker 9 I have to ask more questions because it just doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 9 You don't have a miss and then you have two good shots like that. And then the angle of it, you know, how is the passenger hit, not the driver.
You know, it's just

Speaker 9 a lot of questions there.

Speaker 1 So, Scott, I uh

Speaker 1 I've only got less than a minute here. I just want to say, you know, and you might say, I'm not sure that's a really good idea, but I'd like to recreate the butler shooting

Speaker 1 because that just seems like the easiest shot of all time

Speaker 1 compared to Oswald. That seems simple, Really simple.

Speaker 9 Not only simple is the Butler shooting.

Speaker 9 Yes, I would like to do that with you because I think we're going to find in Butler that we could take anybody off the street and they would make that shot 99 times out of 100.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay, Scott, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 He is the owner of Elm Fork Shooting Sports and also Side-by-Side Ranch, founder and co-owner. And I just can't thank you enough, Scott.
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Speaker 1 NPR and what's going on with NPR and PBS and everything else, but you know who's on the board of the Signal Foundation?

Speaker 1 It's weird.

Speaker 1 The former CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation, you might remember Catherine Marr?

Speaker 1 Yeah, she also is the now CEO of NPR. Remember her name? She keeps...

Speaker 1 It's weird. She's also on the board of the Signal Foundation.
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Speaker 1 Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenbeck Program.
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Speaker 1 We're going to talk a little bit about the real truth behind Snow White and the actress. And

Speaker 1 the producer, his son

Speaker 1 has just had it up to here. And his dad was being, you know,

Speaker 1 pounded. And poor little Snow White was being made into the princess that she is not.
And he just couldn't take it anymore. And so he unloaded on social media.

Speaker 1 And I think it's worth reading because I think you'll agree with his conclusion. Of course, the left doesn't.
The left loves it.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 we're going to go through some of the things that just happened yesterday in a hearing

Speaker 1 with

Speaker 1 NPR and PBS and all of these left-wing organizations that are now

Speaker 1 looking at losing their funding. And like, what? What?

Speaker 1 we're an important institution are you are you really seriously you know i think we're an important institution i'm not begging for government money if you're so freaking important then why don't you make the money on your own if you're so important then the american people will support by their views their listens and by their wallet not you're not important if you're taking my money and then telling me you're important i mean no

Speaker 1 no. If you're so important, the American people and the capitalist system will support you.
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Speaker 1 You know, I'm going to get into the NPR thing here in just a second, but

Speaker 1 the problem with our society can be found with Snow White and what's going on with Snow White.

Speaker 1 We have too many people that don't know what it's like to actually work.

Speaker 1 They don't know what merit is because they get paid whether they succeed or not.

Speaker 1 You know, they were talking about SNAP, and yesterday we shared the information about SNAP and sugary cereals and everything else that shouldn't be a part of SNAP.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 they should be able to buy what they want. Well, no, not on our dime.
How's that? How's that?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 this really comes from Benjamin Franklin. He believes the best way to get people out of the circle of poverty is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty.

Speaker 1 Meaning, you know, you don't get what you want. You know, you get what you need.
And there's a difference between needs and wants. And if we give people what they need, people want more than that.

Speaker 1 Well, they'll learn that they have to change their behavior. Maybe their behavior is self-destructive.
Maybe their behavior is just pure laziness. Maybe it's a lack of education.

Speaker 1 But we can find those solutions together if you're not getting what you want. You're only getting what you need.

Speaker 1 You know, it was Edward Bernays that said, you know, the problem with America is we've got a country of needs. We need to turn this around to a country of wants.

Speaker 1 He, by the way, was the father of American propaganda. He's the guy whose books all taught Goebbels how to make Germany into an all-new place.
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Speaker 1 We got to just change this from a nation of needs to a nation of wants. No, we need to do the exact opposite now.

Speaker 1 We need to make our nation a nation of needs again, and one that even understands needs.

Speaker 1 So the producer of Snow White, Mark Platt, the son, I'm sorry, the son of the producer, Mark Platt, has just gone on X

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 defended his family's name and the father.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 one commenter wrote in his Instagram and tried to flip the switch here and flip the narrative.

Speaker 1 Apparently,

Speaker 1 his dad had to fly to New York City to reprimand What's Her Face, the woman who played Snow White. What's her face? Rachel Ziegler.

Speaker 1 And at a reprimand, because when they went out on tour for publicity, she starts, you know, starts in with all of her political nonsense.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that wasn't helping Disney. It wasn't helping the movie.
You know, hey, Snow White, yeah, let me tell you about Palestine and Israel and how bad Israel is and how bad Trump is.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's not going to help sell the movie. You've just divided the country in half.
So you've lost half of the revenue we could have had because you pissed off half the country.

Speaker 1 Now, this is what exactly what would be said to me.

Speaker 1 You know, I go in and I say, hey, I want to work for NBC. Well, first of all, it would never happen because A, I wouldn't want to work for NBC, but two, because they would never hire me.

Speaker 1 But if it was a serious consideration, you know why they wouldn't hire me?

Speaker 1 If everyone was just being honest, they wouldn't hire me the same reason why they wouldn't hire anybody from the View or Rosie O'Donnell, o'donnell because i'm a polarizing figure because i speak about politics and so i lose half the audience in when you are in mass media when you're making movies etc you don't want to lose half the audience you want to get everybody into a seat you're there to not only make a beautiful artistic film you're also there to put butts in the seats to make money for the company or for yourself

Speaker 1 so he has has to go across the country and say, hey, can you stop?

Speaker 1 Can you please stop talking about your pro-Palestinian views and anti-Trump comments and, you know, how this film was just creepy in the 1930s? Can you stop? This is a beloved film.

Speaker 1 So somebody

Speaker 1 goes on Twitter and says to Jonah Platt, the son of the producer who had to do that, your dad flew to New York City to reprimand a young actress. Any words on this?

Speaker 1 Because that's creepy as hell and uncalled for. People have the right to free speech.
Shame on your father. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 I'm not the son of the producer. And I want to respond to that.

Speaker 1 But the son of the producer did respond. Here's what he said.
You really want to do this?

Speaker 1 Yeah, my dad, the producer of an enormous piece of Disney IP with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line, had to leave his family to fly across the country to reprimand a 20-year-old employee for dragging her personal politics into the middle of promotion for a movie, which she signed a multi-million dollar contract for to get paid and do publicity for.

Speaker 1 This is what you call adult responsibility and accountability. And her actions clearly hurt the film's box office.

Speaker 1 Free speech does not mean you're allowed to say whatever you want in your private employment without repercussions.

Speaker 1 Tens of thousands of people worked on that film, and she hijacked the conversation for her own immature desires at the risk of all of the colleagues and crew and the blue-collar workers who depend on that movie to be successful.

Speaker 1 Narcissism is not something to be coddled or encouraged.

Speaker 1 I don't think I could have said it better. I would have said it meaner, perhaps.
I don't think I could have said that better.

Speaker 1 This is.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 how narcissistic our society has become.

Speaker 1 It's all about me.

Speaker 1 It has nothing to do with the blue-collar workers that are depending on that movie to be successful.

Speaker 1 It has nothing to do with the thousands of people, the tens of thousands of people that worked on that movie. No, it's all about her and what she believes and what she wants.

Speaker 1 You know, when I first went into

Speaker 1 Fox, I turned Fox down probably three or four times. Stu, how many times did they offer that job and I kept saying no?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was several.

Speaker 1 Several. And Roger Ailes finally called me into

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Murdoch lunchroom.

Speaker 1 And I went over to meet with him. And he sat there with a bunch of executives.

Speaker 1 And he said, what is it about our number one status and the money that I'm offering you that is much more than I think you're making now? What is it that just doesn't interest you?

Speaker 1 And I said, Roger, I know your business. I know it.

Speaker 1 You don't know anything about my business. And until you know and care about my business, I can't do business with you because I have two masters I would be serving.

Speaker 1 my business, my career, and yours. And I know your business.
So I know the lines that I cannot cross.

Speaker 1 This is not my company so if you say Glenn you're not to do that I need to evaluate before I go into business with you am I willing to play by your rules because I can't get on to your platform and then have you say Glenn

Speaker 1 and then break those that would harm your company because I am being paid as an employee by you.

Speaker 1 Now, it doesn't mean we're going to agree on everything, but I'm not going to do harm to your company, and I need you to tell me you're not going to do harm to my company.

Speaker 1 So, that was the beginning of the conversation of going into business with Fox.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I have

Speaker 1 pride that any company I've ever done business with,

Speaker 1 that I was a good partner. They weren't necessarily good partners of mine.
Most of them have been great partners.

Speaker 1 But I've tried to do the right thing in looking at their company because they've hired me.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 why is that any different than these actresses that just believe they have free speech? You don't have free speech without consequence. You can say whatever you want, but she was on the Disney dime.

Speaker 1 She's being flown to New York City to have

Speaker 1 interviews that were set up by Disney about Snow White.

Speaker 1 she was there being paid to promote the Disney movie, not her propaganda, not her belief. I wouldn't have the right to sit there.

Speaker 1 I would have said, if they would have asked me something and they would have, they would have tried to goat me into something. I would say it's not the time or place.

Speaker 1 I'm here to talk about Snow White. I'm not here to talk about Donald Trump.
I'm not here to talk about Israel or Hamas. That's what I would have done.

Speaker 1 And if you don't believe me, well, then you haven't listened to me long enough. I know what my my responsibility is.

Speaker 1 And if I'm going to make that deal and get into business with somebody, I know the difference of when I'm on their dime and when I'm not on their dime.

Speaker 1 Now, I want to leave that and hold my own press conference. I think it's unfair to do because you are still promoting that movie.

Speaker 1 So if you do it at the same time you're in promotion, you are going to sabotage your partner, Disney, and that's not right.

Speaker 1 But if I felt strongly about it, I would get off of the the tour after I finished the tour, and I would say something then in my own space, in my own time, and I would make it clear this has nothing to do with Disney, it has nothing to do with the movie.

Speaker 1 The movie is completely separate. Now, if somebody wants to make that about the movie, that's fine, that's their thing.
But I'm not on the company dime.

Speaker 1 That's how freedom of speech works.

Speaker 1 You have freedom of speech.

Speaker 1 But if you're being, if you're on somebody else's dime, you have the responsibility to respect their wishes and respect what they're asking you to do. What you do in your own home, fine.

Speaker 1 However, Disney would have the right, and they wouldn't have, because they agree with her on everything. Oh, men are just disgusting, especially white men.
They got there. They're all there with you.

Speaker 1 So they're not going to let you go.

Speaker 1 They let Roseanne go, sure, but not her.

Speaker 1 Even though this is a massive flop, they didn't let her go. They just had the producer fly out and say, can you shut the pie hole for a minute? You're killing us.
You're killing the movie.

Speaker 1 You're killing everybody who worked on this movie. You're killing Disney.
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 If this woman gets another acting job in a movie, It'll tell you everything you need to know about Hollywood. There's no way this woman should be hired for anything ever again.

Speaker 1 One of the bigger box office bombs.

Speaker 1 The reason why it was a bomb is because she was just completely irresponsible.

Speaker 1 Now, how do we teach our children this responsibility?

Speaker 1 We teach our children this responsibility by not allowing them to become narcissistic. You know what, sweetheart, life isn't fair, and it's not always about you.

Speaker 1 Once we start looking and gazing at our own image on social media all the time, and we begin to believe that we're the most important thing ever, the whole thing goes to the crapper.

Speaker 1 We have to put narcissism back into the ugly place that it has always been and understand

Speaker 1 that we are a narcissistic society, and that needs to change.

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Speaker 3 Hey, Glenn, the comment by the son of the producer, I thought that was a fascinating dynamic. In that, first of all,

Speaker 3 his articulation of what the actual situation was was 100% accurate, right? Like that is 100%

Speaker 3 the way to look at this, right? It's about being selfish, honestly,

Speaker 3 more than it is about the content of whatever her protest was, which was, by the way, seemingly being on the side of Hamas.

Speaker 3 But the other part of this is I thought it was interesting as a father-son dynamic, and that, like,

Speaker 3 in some ways,

Speaker 3 as a dad you're in the middle of this Disney contract you've already had to deal with all sorts of politics stuff you'd probably be like look son I love you but please don't jump in the middle of this don't make this any worse I don't want to I don't want to I don't want this to be to get inflamed I don't want to get into the middle of this and the other side you could not be more proud of your son Right.

Speaker 1 I know, I know.

Speaker 3 For just like laying it out like that and saying the truth and not being afraid, it would be an interesting dynamic as a dad. How would you handle that?

Speaker 1 I'd be proud of my son.

Speaker 1 Although, I mean, I've said this to my wife in particular, but also my kids.

Speaker 1 They're like, dad, somebody said something in school or somebody said something and, you know, I got, no, no, don't, don't, don't, don't. Right.
Just move on. Really, just move on.

Speaker 1 It's not worth, this is about me and what I believe, not about you. So just leave it.

Speaker 1 But every member of my family has gotten to a point to where they're like, I'm going to rip your throat out. You say another thing about my dad, I'm going to rip your your throat out.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to rip it out with logic and reason and facts.

Speaker 1 And you're right. Be so proud, so proud.
But also, as a dad, I'd be like, You're just going to get that. That's not going to, that'll leave a mark.

Speaker 1 They're not going to leave you alone. Because what's happening?

Speaker 1 They're torching him now, and they're saying, There was one crazy response

Speaker 1 saying, Oh, oh, daddy had to leave his family. He's 67 years old and he's a billionaire with adult children.
Oh, Mama Platt holding her 38-year-old son, Jonah, and 31-year-old Ben in her arms.

Speaker 1 You're going to see her again, aren't you? While I'm here raising our babies. Okay.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 just because you're 67 years old doesn't mean you still don't hang out with your family. You still don't do things with your family.

Speaker 1 You don't know this family's dynamics at all. No.
And, you know, yeah, I'd be pissed if

Speaker 1 one of my kids had to go across the country, and even though they weren't going to spend the weekend with me, had to go across the country to shut some snot-nosed 20-year-old, I know everything actress that's destroying the lives of everybody that's worked on this film, destroying the success that they might have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd be pissed. I'd be pissed.
Why are you going across the country? This is ridiculous. She shouldn't have said those things.
She should know better than that. She's a narcissist.

Speaker 1 Let her have it, dad.

Speaker 1 This is Glenn Beck.

Speaker 1 There was a time, and I know you're probably not going to believe me, when I tell you that,

Speaker 1 you know, I didn't have to think twice before bending down, you know, and tying my shoes. Okay.
I mean, there's tons of fat jokes and everything else in there. I get it, but.

Speaker 1 You know, I've thrown my back out,

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Speaker 1 There's a few things that we need to cover here. President Trump says he's going to take a look at the fatal January 6th shooting of Ashley Babbitt.

Speaker 1 Maybe some justice would come from that. He also announced new tariffs on auto imports, now up to 25%.

Speaker 1 This is,

Speaker 1 if these things go into

Speaker 1 effect at the beginning of April,

Speaker 1 that is quite frightening for anybody who sells any imported cars in America. And if you're looking for

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Speaker 1 If you're looking for a used car, buy one now because what's going to happen is the new cars are going to go through the roof and everybody will start to buy a used car, which will go through the roof because no one will want to buy a new car.

Speaker 1 So now's the time to buy if you're thinking about buying one, I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 Jim Jordan is laying out the sweeping agenda for judicial reform, which I don't think could happen to a better group of people. We'll talk about that here in a second.

Speaker 1 But I I also want to talk about the NPR

Speaker 1 CEO that

Speaker 1 was called up to the House to testify on a few things yesterday. Stu, you want to take us through this?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you know, I'd like to talk about it as well because it was an interesting hearing. First of all, a good

Speaker 3 fundamental reason the hearing was happening was, hey, maybe we shouldn't be paying a bunch of money for

Speaker 3 left-wing propaganda at NPR and PBS. And

Speaker 3 I think there's absolutely no reason for that to to be occurring.

Speaker 3 I don't know what country we are. I understand you know the UK has the BBC.

Speaker 3 They've got Pravda going on. I don't know why we need one of those.
So I'm totally with this and I don't think it should happen. However,

Speaker 3 even if it was doing an actual good job, I would think it was a bad idea. They are not, however, doing a good job.
And they are led by NPR is led by someone named Catherine Marr. She is a

Speaker 3 well, she's, I would say, a leftist. She has some really extreme views.
We've covered some of them before, but never really had her answer for them. Part of what happened here

Speaker 3 is that process.

Speaker 3 And one of the big complaints about NPR in particular was they were probably, and you tell me if I'm wrong on this, Glenn, the worst offender when it came to the Hunter Biden laptop scandal. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 They said on day one, we will not cover

Speaker 1 conspiracy theories. Yeah.
That is not worth the time for us to cover for the American people.

Speaker 3 Really bad. They didn't give it.

Speaker 3 They just absolutely dismissed it with no evidence, because obviously the story was true.

Speaker 3 They absolutely dismissed the story right before the election, assuming it was some sort of right-wing conspiracy.

Speaker 1 Almost on day one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it did not turn out to be a right-wing conspiracy. It did turn out to be a conspiracy between Hunter Biden and a bunch of hookers.
But that's a different situation. So this is

Speaker 3 this is Hunter. This is Catherine Maher

Speaker 3 trying to answer about for some of the

Speaker 3 poor showings of journalism that

Speaker 3 they've

Speaker 3 produced over the past couple of years. Listen.

Speaker 10 Can we expect that you will bring the same lack of reverence for truth to your management of NPR?

Speaker 5 Thank you, Congressman. First of all, I do want to say that NPR acknowledges that we were mistaken in failing to cover the Hunter Biden laptop story more aggressively and sooner.

Speaker 5 Our current editorial leadership.

Speaker 1 Wuhan?

Speaker 5 We recognize that we were reporting at the time, but we acknowledge that the new CIA evidence is worthy of coverage and have covered it.

Speaker 10 What have you done to clean up the bias before?

Speaker 10 I wasn't there for that. What are you doing to clean up and make sure that we have

Speaker 5 Absolutely. Thank you, Congressman.
As I mentioned, I came in in May. Mr.
Berliner published his story two weeks into my tenure regarding stories that had happened prior.

Speaker 5 I wish that I had had the opportunity to speak with Mr. Berliner.

Speaker 5 I would have loved to have had him engage and come back to us with some suggestions as to what we could do editorially in order to address what he perceived as bias.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 So may I just, I want to point out who she is here for just a second.

Speaker 1 Chris Ruffo has pointed out

Speaker 1 what's,

Speaker 1 well, her, let's, shall we say, interesting work history. Before NPR, she was employed by the U.S.
State Department and the National Democratic Alliance, or the Democratic Institute.

Speaker 1 The NDI is one of the main branches of the National Endowment for Democracy. And And when was she there?

Speaker 1 During the Arab Spring. What were they doing? Promoting the Arab Spring.
Remember, it was the NED and the U.S. government strategy.

Speaker 1 During the Arab Spring, they were training youth movements on how to influence public opinion through mass media and ultimately organize in the streets and then topple the regime.

Speaker 1 Okay, Chris Ruffo has said that

Speaker 1 he all but called her a CIA agent. Okay.

Speaker 1 Also, she was with Wikimedia, which is Wikipedia. And when she got there,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 they changed a little bit and started controlling information. And then she's now the head of NPR, and we're supposed to be comfortable with this.

Speaker 1 She's part of this whole deep state revolutionary thing that is exactly what we told you is

Speaker 3 I think what the JFK files are showing us they're showing us the pattern this is what happened in the 60s this is what's happening right now it's the same story and she's right at the head of it yeah and if you sometimes it's difficult Glenn when you look at someone's resume to be able to determine you know who the person is right like you might work at an organization that could disagree with you you might be you know like there's a lot of people who worked at at X and Twitter that we now know were really upset with what Twitter was doing at that time.

Speaker 3 We consider them kind of a left-wing social media network. And at the time, there were people inside who were really upset about that.
We learned about those things later.

Speaker 3 This particular case, though, not a good example of that at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Let me just point out, too.
Currently, she is currently on the board of Signal.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah, that's

Speaker 3 a newsworthy addition.

Speaker 1 It's a newsworthy thing to

Speaker 1 point out there. Okay.

Speaker 3 And again, you could even say that someone could be someone who's a left-leaning person, right? Who is controlled of NPR.

Speaker 3 They've been left-wing forever, but you could be a left-leaning news person and,

Speaker 3 you know, okay, like that could be something that could work. Obviously, everyone has-right, not everyone's, everyone has some opinion on news stories.
This particular person, however, Catherine Marr,

Speaker 3 has a fascinating history.

Speaker 3 And what she has done is not just work in these places and not just have influence in these stories that keep coming up over and over again, but explicitly state her crazy positions over and over and over and over again on Twitter,

Speaker 3 on X.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 she had to know this stuff was coming, but she was asked by Brandon Gill, he's a congressman from Texas, about some of her previous tweets, and it is just absolute gold.

Speaker 11 Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy?

Speaker 5 I believe that I tweeted that, and as I've said earlier, I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the last half decade.

Speaker 11 It has evolved. Why did you tweet that?

Speaker 5 I don't recall the exact context, sir, so I wouldn't be able to say.

Speaker 11 Okay. Do you believe that America believes in black plunder and white democracy?

Speaker 5 I don't believe that, sir.

Speaker 11 You tweeted that in reference to a book you were reading at the time, apparently, The Case for Reparations.

Speaker 5 I don't think I've ever read that book, sir.

Speaker 1 You tweeted about it.

Speaker 11 You said you took a day off to fully read the case for reparations. You put that on Twitter in January of 2020.

Speaker 5 I apologize. I don't recall that I did.
I don't

Speaker 5 have no doubt that your tweet there is correct, but I don't recall that.

Speaker 1 Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. So good.
Okay, so the question there is:

Speaker 1 is she

Speaker 1 was she just

Speaker 1 lying about

Speaker 1 reading that? And if she was lying about reading that, then was she just doing it because she's part of a circle that's like, you got to read this book and it's all this and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And so she just didn't do her own homework. She made up that she was taking the full day off to really understand this case in the book.
She was just being a shill to promote this point of view.

Speaker 1 And that's the best case scenario, right?

Speaker 3 Like the fact that she's just lying and opposer, right, is just the best case scenario. The worst case scenario would be she actually believes the United States is nothing but black plunder.

Speaker 3 So, and that's, I think, actually the truth. But, fascinating, number one, she should absolutely be prepared for this.
She should know that tweet is coming.

Speaker 3 How do you go into a congressional hearing and not know that they're going to bring up that tweet?

Speaker 3 That's well, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 Let's be fair to her. Almost everything she said has been crazy bat crap nuts.
So, I mean,

Speaker 1 can I narrow it down to which ones he's going to bring up?

Speaker 3 Yeah, and there is an element of this, right? Like, if I went back, Glenn, and we did

Speaker 3 a fake congressional hearing where I was a congressman and

Speaker 3 you were giving testimony. And I said, hey, Glenn, do you remember tweeting this? I'm sure I could find a tweet that you don't remember tweeting.

Speaker 3 I'm sure I could find even a topic, you know, maybe even a show. Like, hey, Glenn, you said you were watching this show.
Do you remember that? And you'd go, oh, gosh, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 And I'd be like, actually, you tweeted it in 2018. You're like, a hundred percent could happen, right?

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 However, what you wouldn't find in there is

Speaker 3 something that completely disagreed with your entire philosophy of life, right? Like

Speaker 3 if you went back and said, Stu,

Speaker 3 I'm looking back at your tweets. Why did you tweet in 2019 that you love the Dallas Cowboys? That wouldn't happen.
Right.

Speaker 3 I would certainly know that I tweeted something like that because it's actually more evil than claiming the entire country is a bunch of white supremacists.

Speaker 1 And I agree with you. And let me add one more thing

Speaker 1 on the statement that my views have evolved.

Speaker 1 The wrong question was asked by the senator. Really?

Speaker 1 How? Why?

Speaker 1 What changed your mind? Because you've been tweeting this forever and you're still against Trump and everything that he's doing. I haven't seen any change of anything.

Speaker 1 What's changed your mind that make you now say that America is not just based on white supremacy?

Speaker 3 It's the most interesting part of the story. The transition story is the story.

Speaker 7 Right?

Speaker 3 Walk me through the moment you realize, good God, why was I saying all those terrible things?

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 1 That's the question that these guys have to ask. Wow.
You know what? We all change. Tell me about that moment when you realized you were on the wrong track.

Speaker 3 And by the way, I think Brandon Gill did a very good job in this hearing, but

Speaker 3 it is a fundamental problem of these hearings that most of these guys, and I'm not saying him, but most of these guys are up there to just say their thing and not actually listen to the answer.

Speaker 3 No, he's not.

Speaker 3 He is listening and he does want to know, but time is limited and everything else.

Speaker 3 I would have loved to hear the answer to that question because whoever the next congressman up should have followed up with that. But

Speaker 1 there's more, yeah, it's worth it. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 5 No doubt, the doubt that

Speaker 5 your tweet there is correct, but I don't recall that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 11 Do you believe that white people inherently feel superior to other races?

Speaker 5 I do not.

Speaker 11 You don't? You tweeted something to that effect. You said, I grew up feeling superior.
Ha, how white of me. Why did you tweet that?

Speaker 5 I think I was probably reflecting on what it was to be,

Speaker 5 to grow up in an environment where I had lots of advantages.

Speaker 11 It sounds like you're saying that white people feel superior.

Speaker 5 I don't believe that anybody feels that way, sir. I was just reflecting on my own experiences.

Speaker 11 Do you think that white people should pay reparations?

Speaker 5 I have never said that, sir.

Speaker 11 Yes, you did. You said it in January of 2020.
You tweeted, yes, the North, Yes, all of us. Yes, America.
Yes, our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes, reparations.
Yes, on this day.

Speaker 5 I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations, sir.

Speaker 11 What kind of reparations was it a reference to?

Speaker 5 I think it was just a reference to the idea that we all owe much to the people who came before us.

Speaker 11 That's a bizarre way to frame what you tweeted.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's obviously a just non-physical thing. So funny.
There's no justification for what she actually said.

Speaker 1 And that's why she should not be at NPR and NPR should not be there.

Speaker 1 If that company is being run by this woman and people in NPR aren't saying, okay, come on,

Speaker 1 the whole thing needs to be abolished. They're obviously not telling the truth.

Speaker 1 I don't have a problem with you if you're a lefty and you're just telling the truth and you're like, no, I do believe that.

Speaker 1 I have more respect for you for saying that than I do her and making up all kinds of stuff because because the temperature of the room has changed. Have the balls to say what you believe.

Speaker 1 Have the balls to stand up for what you actually believe and want to do. That's not, that is a revolutionary.

Speaker 1 That is in

Speaker 1 that is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And we keep seeing the wolf, but it's because the sheep skin just keeps slipping a little bit, and you're like, wow, gee, grandma, you have mighty big teeth.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 NPR should be abolished. And you should start with just firing her.

Speaker 1 Back in just a second.

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Speaker 12 And to be clear, free speech is not about whatever it is that y'all want somebody to say. And the idea that you want to shut down everybody that is not news is

Speaker 12 we need to stop playing because that's what y'all are doing in here you don't want to hear the opinions and any of anybody else and the constitution says congress shall make no law respecting or establishing of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the gentlewoman's time has expired press i love how she reads a word she reads a statement with a swear in it that's that is fantastic i'll say this we're we're on

Speaker 3 the edge of a situation that's going to be occurring soon: that the Democrats are going to try to silence Jasmine Crockett because she's so dumb, and we cannot let that happen.

Speaker 3 We must have more Jasmine Crockett in our lives.

Speaker 3 Don't silence her. Don't shut her up.
Let her keep talking. She's priceless.
And by priceless, I mean worth zero, but still, she is without price, priceless.

Speaker 1 We love Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 1 This is Glenn Beck.