Best of the Program | Guest: Sen. Rand Paul | 5/14/25

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Speaker 2 Hey, Jake Tapper is promoting his new book with Biden's staff hiding his true state. But, Jake, did you help carry the water? Or

Speaker 2 should we leave Jake Tapper alone? Because at least he's saying it now. Also, great conversation with Rand Paul about what happened in Saudi Arabia and what's happening with Fauci.

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Speaker 3 So

Speaker 2 this Jake Tapper book that is out,

Speaker 2 everybody's giving Jake Tapper a hard line. And believe me, no tears are being shed here for Jake Tapper, at least from me.

Speaker 2 You know, but

Speaker 2 he came out with the book along with the guy from

Speaker 2 AP or Politico, I can't remember.

Speaker 3 Alex Thompson.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And so they put the book out and they're talking about, for instance, the latest is that, you know, George Clooney

Speaker 2 didn't have,

Speaker 2 it was so shocked and members of the audience were so shocked

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 Joe Biden was just not even there. And remember, it was the administration who then said that those were deep fakes.

Speaker 2 That was just deep fake. You know, that's not.

Speaker 2 Or they said, well, he was just standing on the stage. You know, He wasn't lost.
He was just admiring the crowd

Speaker 2 and soaking in their applause. Really?

Speaker 3 I believe the term they used was cheap fakes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, cheap fakes. Cheap fakes.

Speaker 2 And now we find out in the book that George Clooney

Speaker 2 was

Speaker 2 horrified. And so were the people around George Clooney when, I mean, he was throwing that benefit.
And when he came, he said Joe Biden had no idea who he was.

Speaker 2 And they had met, you know, multiple times.

Speaker 3 He describes them as friends, not as they'd met multiple times. He describes them as friends.
They were good friends over a long period of time, and Joe Biden didn't recognize him.

Speaker 3 Now, take out the fact that he's one of the most famous people in the world. Yeah, I know.
Right?

Speaker 3 Like, even if you've never met him, like, if we went into 7-Eleven and George Clooney walked in, we'd all be like, that's George Clooney, right? Like, this is not a borderline thing.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 He didn't recognize him. He didn't recognize him.

Speaker 2 That's a real problem. So here's Jake Tapper now now talking about how the White House covered up Biden's deterioration.
Listen.

Speaker 4 The bottom line is the White House was lying not only to the press, not only to the public, but they were lying to members of their own cabinet. They were lying to White House staffers.

Speaker 4 They were lying to Democratic members of Congress, to donors about how bad things had gotten.

Speaker 4 And in fact, Alex and I started writing this book after the election of 2024, and we spoke with more than 200 people, most of whom, almost all of whom were Democrats, and almost all of whom wouldn't be honest with us or wouldn't be candid with us until after the election.

Speaker 4 And then after the election, we found out all of these things that when you looked at what was going on with President Biden at the time, it probably doesn't surprise you the extent to which he was deteriorating.

Speaker 4 But now we have anecdotes and facts about what was really going on behind the scenes with details that Democrats wouldn't share with us until after Election Day.

Speaker 3 Aaron Powell, Jr.: That was kind of his excuse, basically, as to why it wasn't talked about before, right? Because they wouldn't talk until the election was over.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well,

Speaker 2 what about them going to jail?

Speaker 2 If they did something against the Constitution, they should go to jail. Not

Speaker 2 being that afraid of this president being completely checked out, and you're not telling the cabinet there's a problem. There's a real problem.

Speaker 2 You can't keep that information from the people who need to know that. Yeah, I 100% agree with that.
And they should all go to jail.

Speaker 3 Yeah, whatever. If there are crimes committed here, and I think there may have been, we should definitely have an investigation that looks at all the messages.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this isn't about a book, and it's certainly not about Jake Tapper.

Speaker 3 No, I will say, with the Tapper, excuse me, the Tapper, I have Rand Paul.

Speaker 2 I was going to say, did you do that?

Speaker 3 Me and Rand both can't talk today.

Speaker 3 The excuse here is a bit frustrating.

Speaker 3 to be frank, from Jake Tapper, because I think what he's saying is actually true, right?

Speaker 3 They really weren't talking about this to the media. They weren't leaking to the media.

Speaker 3 They had a relatively buttoned-up operation when it comes to protecting Joe Biden, including, according to the book, protecting Joe Biden, shielding him is the term they used, from his own staffers.

Speaker 3 I can't even describe how insane that is.

Speaker 3 But like, sure they weren't telling you. Sure, they were lying to you.
But you know what? Let's step back for a second.

Speaker 3 The media does not have a good relationship with the Trump administration, do they? No. Very bad one, right?

Speaker 3 When they go to Stephen Miller and they ask him a question about, hey, what about this thing? Stephen Miller, they might think Stephen Miller is telling them lies.

Speaker 3 What do they do after that?

Speaker 3 What if they get something from

Speaker 3 the press secretary and they don't think it's true, what do they do? Just report it mindlessly?

Speaker 3 Do they say what she's saying is true? Because of course she said it. No, they dig and they dig and they dig and they dig and they find somebody, some intern of an intern who will say the opposite.

Speaker 2 You can't tell me that Jake Tapper doesn't have George Clooney's phone number and can call him. He probably does.
He probably does.

Speaker 2 Or at least knows somebody who has it and can get in touch and call him and go, dude. Look, this is what I'm hearing.
And I don't want our side to lose either, you know, but this is very dangerous.

Speaker 2 Is this true?

Speaker 2 So I think somebody would have spoken. Somebody would have.

Speaker 3 And by the way, at least according to this book, and I'm sure Clooney was a source of the book, so you can take this for what it's worth.

Speaker 3 But according to the book, I mean, Clooney deserves some credit here in that when he saw Biden in this state, he decided he wanted to do something and was told by Barack Obama not to.

Speaker 2 And changed and did come out

Speaker 2 of the minute, what was it, two weeks after the

Speaker 2 debacle of the debate?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I wound up. Yeah, right.
It was about a little bit. Now, he didn't do it right away.

Speaker 2 No, but he did it. But he did it.
Maurice didn't do it until the election was over. Right.

Speaker 3 And I will say, you know,

Speaker 3 we should have less criticism,

Speaker 3 not none, but less criticism for people who do come out and do it eventually. I think.
That's at least my belief.

Speaker 3 Like, I played a clip yesterday of on my show, Studios America, available on Blaze TV, by the way,

Speaker 3 of Joe Scarborough in March of 2024 saying he's the sharpest he's ever been.

Speaker 3 This version of Joe Biden is the best version that has ever existed of Joe Biden.

Speaker 3 This is just, I mean, you know, weeks before, I guess months before this election, but not many months before the debate, four months before the debate.

Speaker 3 And he has not come out.

Speaker 3 He didn't write a book. He just said this thing that should have discredited him to every audience member until the end of time and has not come out and said, by the way,

Speaker 3 until it was politically feasible to do so. Didn't write a book, didn't do deep reporting, didn't go and get all of his sources.

Speaker 3 He was just carrying the water of what he wanted to happen that entire time. Pathetic.
And every person who's ever tuned into that show, the four people who have, should never do it again.

Speaker 3 I mean, how do you have any credibility after saying something like that when you obviously know it's not true?

Speaker 2 So let me play this, because if you look, it is hard to find Jake Tapper defending. But there is a montage going out that does have, well, a minute and two seconds of him defending.
Listen.

Speaker 6 How do you think it makes little kids with stutters feel when they see you make a comment like that?

Speaker 7 It's very clearly a cognitive decline. That's what I'm referring to.
It makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 8 You have no absolutely.

Speaker 8 It's so amazing. It's so amazing to me that

Speaker 5 President Biden embraces his stutter talking about it while Trump mocks it, exaggerates it, belittles it. He's sharp physically.

Speaker 6 I mean, mentally.

Speaker 5 I think the question is physically, right?

Speaker 2 Right. More so.

Speaker 6 Right. Right.

Speaker 5 And the guy who's his chief opponent is only three or four years younger than him.

Speaker 6 That'd be. I mean, you have questioned President Biden's age, mental fitness, ability to lead of those supporting Biden.
You said, quote, shame on all of you pretending everything is okay.

Speaker 6 You're leading us and him into a disaster. Do you worry that you damaged him at all?

Speaker 6 I don't doubt that you got hugs and handshakes behind closed doors today, and maybe even publicly, some of them, because they like you personally.

Speaker 6 But I've heard a lot of really nasty stuff about you from your Democratic colleagues. I mean, just like, what is he thinking? Exercise and narcissism.

Speaker 3 Again, what is it? That's four clips, four interviews.

Speaker 3 One of them is talking to Dean Phillips, who was the guy who was saying this early and didn't get any credit for it on the Democratic side, who deserves the credit for it.

Speaker 3 And then the first one is from 2020,

Speaker 3 the year 2020, which is, you know, and then there's two other clips. They're short, and I've seen five versions of this montage, and every one of them has the same four clips in it.
Yes.

Speaker 3 So, like, I'm not,

Speaker 3 it's not that Tepper deserves no criticism for those clips. He does deserve it.
And if he comes, I think we should get him on the air and ask him about it.

Speaker 2 I don't think he's coming on the air. Maybe he will.
We've asked.

Speaker 3 If he does,

Speaker 3 it would be fair to ask him about clips i agree and he should be asked but like the level between him and joe scarborough there's a galaxy between them oh yeah yeah and so the fact that he's coming out now and writing a book with it with it another uh journalist who did ask these questions throughout the entire process alex thompson i think is more of a positive than a negative the only problem with those clips that i have is the first one play this again

Speaker 4 the bottom line is the white house was lying not only to the press not only to the public but they were lying to members of their own cabinet They were lying to the White House staff.

Speaker 2 They're the one for the montage.

Speaker 3 They play the montage again.

Speaker 6 How do you think it makes little kids with stutters feel when they see you make a comment like that?

Speaker 7 It's very clearly a cognitive decline. That's what I'm referring to.
It makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 You totally dismiss.

Speaker 8 It's so amazing to me that

Speaker 6 you're going to have to go to the middle of Biden.

Speaker 2 That's by far the worst one. But the problem with that one is he is not engaging as a journalist.
No. Okay.

Speaker 2 not a journalist. How do you think it makes little kids feel? That's the question.
She can say, whatever she wants to say.

Speaker 2 Okay, I don't think you answered the question or whatever the follow-up is, but he became the defender of Biden. In that matter, that's the problem with that one.

Speaker 3 I totally agree. I think that's a bad clip.
It was, again, from 2020.

Speaker 3 By the way, I think it was still clear he was in cognitive decline then. Yes.
So I don't give him a huge excuse, though.

Speaker 2 Remember, this is the time when they kept him in the basement.

Speaker 3 Right. So I'm totally with you.
I thought it was obvious then. So that clip, I think, is bad.
Though we could make a four-hour montage of Joe Scarborough and the view clips that were much, much worse.

Speaker 2 Here's Scarborough.

Speaker 9 But comparing that guy's mental state, I've said it for years now. He's cogent.

Speaker 9 But I undersold him when I said he was cogent.

Speaker 2 Undersold it.

Speaker 9 He's far beyond cogent.

Speaker 4 Far beyond.

Speaker 9 In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been.

Speaker 9 intellectually,

Speaker 9 analytically, analytically, because he's been around for 50 years.

Speaker 9 And, you know, I don't know if people knew this or not. Biden used to be a hothead.

Speaker 9 Sometimes that Irishman would get in front of the reasoning. Sometimes he would say things he didn't want to say.
What? This is...

Speaker 9 And I don't really, you know what? I don't really care.

Speaker 9 Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you.

Speaker 2 Cutting his career here.

Speaker 9 And F you if you can't handle the truth.

Speaker 9 This

Speaker 9 version of Biden

Speaker 9 intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever. Not a close second.
And I've known him for years. The Brzezinskis have known him for 15 years.

Speaker 3 How does that not end your career? How does that end?

Speaker 2 Because I think that's actually right.

Speaker 3 How could that possibly be right?

Speaker 2 Because when he was so cognitively in disrepair, he didn't do any of the things. He wasn't responsible for any of those things.
Somebody else was doing it. He was like, what should we do today?

Speaker 2 That's the best Joe Biden I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Speaker 2 We welcome to the program, Rand Paul, senator from the great state of Kentucky.

Speaker 2 Rand, I want to play something for you. In yesterday's speech, which I think should have been like a libertarian's dream, it was mine.
Listen to this.

Speaker 10 And it's crucial for the wider world to note this great transformation has not come from Western intervention, Lewis, or flying people in in beautiful planes giving you lectures on how to live and how to govern your own affairs.

Speaker 10 No, the gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called nation builders, neocons, or liberal non-profits like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing

Speaker 10 to develop Kabal.

Speaker 10 Baghdad, so many other cities.

Speaker 10 Instead, the birth of a modern Middle East has been brought by the people of the region themselves, the people that are right here, the people that have lived here all their lives, developing your own sovereign countries, pursuing your own unique visions and charting your own destinies in your own way.

Speaker 10 It's really incredible what you've done.

Speaker 10 In the end, the so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionalists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves.

Speaker 10 They told you how to do it, but they had no idea how to do it themselves.

Speaker 10 Peace, prosperity, and progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of your heritage, but rather from embracing your national traditions and embracing that same heritage that you love so dearly.

Speaker 2 Rand Paul, what'd you think of that?

Speaker 11 Pretty amazing.

Speaker 11 You know, there have been so many times when I've heard President Trump speak or seen his actions actions on foreign policy that I've been, oh, my goodness, this is the best president we have had in my lifetime.

Speaker 2 I thought he sounded almost like a Washington at that point. Just like, do it yourself.
We're not here to tell you what to do.

Speaker 2 I haven't heard that ever from any president.

Speaker 11 And this is why the Bush wing hates Donald Trump so much, the establishment, because these are the people who wanted to spend freedom at the point of a gun everywhere.

Speaker 11 And they thought we were going to shape the world for democracy, which is sort of a leftover Woodrow Wilson idea but no this is the part of Donald Trump I completely embrace encourage and will defend and defend on a daily basis so I said earlier today that I thought that part of that speech was as as significant as the Gorbachev tear down this wall speech agree or disagree

Speaker 11 I agree.

Speaker 11 It's incredibly significant to say, you know, we've developed these relationships not by bossing around the world, not by intervening, but by basically, you know, trading and intervening, he didn't use the word trade, we could have, but basically having trade and good relations with these countries they've developed themselves.

Speaker 2 So while we're there,

Speaker 2 why don't we talk about, I don't know, trading nothing for a $400 million airplane.

Speaker 2 Where do you stand on this gift from Qatar?

Speaker 11 Well, there is this little sticking point. You know, the Constitution says you can't take emoluments or gifts unless they're approved by Congress.

Speaker 11 I think Jefferson was offered something and Congress actually voted against Thomas Jefferson being allowed to keep it.

Speaker 11 But you can't do it. I mean it's just and it's going to set up the appearance of impropriety whether Congress will protect him and not vote on it possibly.

Speaker 11 But the other thing is we're the world's largest arms merchant. We sell arms by the billions everywhere throughout the Middle East.
We populate both sides of every war on the planet.

Speaker 11 And so Qatar is a big recipient of arms from us. And so we make these decisions and the President pretty much makes them on his own.

Speaker 11 Congress has the chance to object, and I have objected in the past to both Qatar and Saudi Arabia receiving arms when I felt like, particularly when the journalist Khashoggi was killed by the Saudis, I thought we should have laid off arms for a while and somebody should have had to pay some penance over that.

Speaker 11 And so I've tried to block different arms sales before, but there's a potential that the administration's objectiveness will be clouded by a $400 million plane.

Speaker 11 There are some practical concerns as well. One of them is, where are we on the one that they've ordered?

Speaker 11 If it's already made and they're just upgrading it, putting the electronics and defensive weapons on Air Force One, and they're within six months of being completed, the Qatari plane would have to be completely outfitted.

Speaker 11 It has to be probably stripped down on the inside, completely reconfigured, has to have the special stuff that it's classified.

Speaker 2 It takes two to five years just to finish it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, so it may be that the other plane is actually closer to being finished than this one.

Speaker 11 It is disappointing, and Boeing's disappointing on so many fronts that they haven't had this plane since I think it was commissioned by the first President Trump, and four years later still isn't ready, is really a disappointment.

Speaker 11 But we'd have to know more about it.

Speaker 11 The thing is, if he really wants this plane and it's a great plane, the Qataris could either sell it or give it back to Boeing, and and Boeing could sell it to us, and we could pay a price.

Speaker 11 And then we alleviate all of this. If he takes it, every family transaction that they have had in the Middle East for the last 10 years or next 10 years is going to be doubly scrutinized.

Speaker 11 And I think it doesn't come to any good.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 what do you think about the possibility? And this may be giving him too much benefit of the doubt, but the guy is playing

Speaker 2 15-dimensional chess, it seems, so many ways.

Speaker 2 I spoke to him about the Boeing plane a few weeks ago, and he was smoked.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we

Speaker 2 began our participation in and ended World War II

Speaker 2 in a quicker time than we have ordered that plane in 2018 to today.

Speaker 2 So it's, I mean, what is Boeing doing?

Speaker 2 And he's saying, and others are saying, that it, it may be five years from now, maybe even 10.

Speaker 2 What about the idea that he is just trying to push the pressure on Boeing and like, get it done?

Speaker 11 Boeing has become an extension of the government. They're a government bureaucracy, and they behave like it.
You know, look, I think the Empire State Building was built in a year.

Speaker 11 China right now can erect a 30, what's that? 10 months.

Speaker 2 10 months.

Speaker 11 Yeah, China can erect a 30-story building in a matter of two or three months. I mean, it's amazing how fast things can be done.

Speaker 11 And Boeing can't make a plane in four years, and then sometimes their planes don't fly. And so that is a problem.

Speaker 11 If you're a plane manufacturer and they don't fly, but it's because God, Boeing is such a slow, ponderous corporation that's been, you know, had monopoly on sort of government planes for so long that they're being out-competed internationally.

Speaker 11 And they're just slow, you know, and so

Speaker 11 I see them more as an extension of government bureaucracy than I do as a real capitalism. But no company could get away with being this poor and this slow moving if there was a real marketplace.

Speaker 2 So what do you do to solve that? Because I think that, I mean, that is the real solution.

Speaker 2 I feel like the former Soviet Union, when they would, you know, when Gorbachev or anybody else would get into a Zill, you're like, ooh, that's nice. That'll break.

Speaker 2 Well, that'll break down halfway to the airport.

Speaker 2 You know, what do we do? Boeing, you can't sue Boeing. The president can't sue Boeing.
The country can't. How do you fix that?

Speaker 11 Here's the interesting thing, Glenn, and this intersects with the discussion over trade. Some would say we need to protect them, and that's what we do.

Speaker 11 We protect Boeing, we protect them from international trade.

Speaker 11 What if we did this? What if we got rid of the trade barriers and we let all the international companies compete with Boeing? Boeing would have to get better or go bankrupt.

Speaker 11 So they're inefficient because they are protected. Some would say the same happened to U.S.
Steel over many generations. It wasn't that we didn't protect U.S.
Steel.

Speaker 11 We've had steel import quotas for generations. We've tried to do whatever we can to block international steel from coming here, and yet all it did is it led to a large behemoth U.S.

Speaker 11 steel that was about like Boeing, wasn't able to react to the marketplace.

Speaker 2 Let me talk to you about government aircraft, military aircraft. We have to have an aircraft company.

Speaker 2 I agree. What can we do?

Speaker 2 Because honestly, the right thing for the president to do is sue Boeing. Look, you've violated our entire contract.
It means nothing. I'm going elsewhere.

Speaker 2 But he can't sue Boeing because that would be very bad. And

Speaker 2 the second thing is he has no choice but to buy American. So how do we solve this?

Speaker 11 The other thing I guess you could do is you could reduce what they're paid. So, for example, if the government said we were giving them a billion, we give them $500 billion, whatever it is.

Speaker 11 And that should be in every contract, too. And I think Elon Musk was a big promoter of this.

Speaker 11 When he started building rockets to take satellites into space, he said the problem you guys have is it's cost plus.

Speaker 11 So everybody just keeps inflating their costs because they always get the same profit or bigger profit if they have cost overruns. Make it competitive bidding and put penalties into your contracts.

Speaker 11 So Boeing should have penalties in the contracts. If you want another airline or another company to make planes in the U.S.,

Speaker 11 I'm perfectly happy to vote for no corporate taxes on somebody who will make planes in competition with Boeing. Just no corporate taxes, period, 10 years, 20 years.

Speaker 11 It would take a lot for the incentive because it takes a lot of money to get started in that field. But look, Elon Musk started from scratch maybe 10 years ago building rockets.

Speaker 11 So you think somebody couldn't, like Elon Musk, start building planes?

Speaker 11 In fact, I guarantee you, if Elon weren't so tied up with other things, if you said, Elon, why don't you start a plane company to compete with Boeing? I'll bet you have it started in a year.

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Speaker 2 All right. Welcome to the program.
I want to talk to you a little bit about AI.

Speaker 2 Apparently,

Speaker 2 there is a new AI,

Speaker 2 the scientists at Mass General in Boston have developed a new AI tool called Face Age.

Speaker 2 And it can tell your biological age by a picture of you.

Speaker 2 And apparently,

Speaker 2 not just your biological age, but how healthy you are. In fact,

Speaker 2 they believe now with the eyeball test, research in the Lancet Digital Health indicates.

Speaker 2 Are you ready?

Speaker 2 That artificial intelligence will be able to not only spot that you have cancer,

Speaker 2 but also

Speaker 2 if you are being treated for cancer, that's not working.

Speaker 2 They have this much time to live.

Speaker 2 How terrifying is that? I mean, how great is that? How terrifying is that?

Speaker 2 If you could have it and it would tell you, wow, you're looking pretty old and beat up.

Speaker 2 You don't have much longer to live.

Speaker 2 Would you go into the face tool and say, how long do I live?

Speaker 2 I don't think I would do that. I wouldn't want that.

Speaker 3 I would want to know if I could do something about it, I suppose.

Speaker 3 I mean, I guess being able to, if you knew, and again, this is somewhat speculative here, but if you knew you were going to die in two months,

Speaker 3 I guess I, the idea of wanting to know would be intimidating, but I also think like I'd like to probably have moments with my family and my kids and say the things I want to say and like get my affairs aligned and such.

Speaker 3 Start some new affairs.

Speaker 2 New affairs. No, just kidding.

Speaker 3 Just kidding, honey. No, but you know what I mean? Like, I'd like to get my, you want to get your affairs arranged.
You want to make sure you're not leaving your family with a burden.

Speaker 3 You're making, you want to make sure that you say to your kids the things you want to say. Maybe you want to write something.

Speaker 2 You want to put your face in, okay? And you're like, okay, take the picture. How much, you know, what do I have left? And it just comes back.
What time is it now?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 If the stupid device can't tell time, I probably, it's like a vision.

Speaker 2 It's a view. I don't know.
20 minutes.

Speaker 2 What do you got? 20 minutes? Maybe, maybe. I don't know.
You're not doing well. Look a little peaked.

Speaker 2 Some of the things that are coming with AI are remarkable.

Speaker 3 Go ahead. Life changing.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I would say society changing, probably.

Speaker 2 So, can I just read something to you that is part of it is beyond my understanding and will be beyond some, but I just want you to hear this. Now, this is I rule the world MO.

Speaker 2 This is at, I rule the MO, rule the world, MO. Nobody really knows who this is.
They think that that this might be

Speaker 2 an insider in one of the big AI research firms. Okay.
But they also think it might be a bot by one of these AI research terms to throw the other research terms off.

Speaker 2 They have no idea who this is. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So, but just listen to what it is. I'm hoping it's a bot that's trying to throw people off.
Listen to this. Just got off a four-hour phone call with sources inside Chinese deep seek labs.

Speaker 2 And holy cow, they're using other language we are so effing behind it's not even funny anymore deep seek R2 isn't an incremental improvement it is a completely different species of intelligence operating on principles nobody in the West has even theorized yet they've abandoned transformer architectures entirely for something they're calling recursive cognition lattices The scale and dimension of our math doesn't even have a good notation for this.

Speaker 2 The compute efficiency gains that violate what we thought were fundamental limits, like 400 times improvement in reasoning per teraflop. Not 4, not 40, 400 times.

Speaker 2 Our benchmarks now are literally meaningless. The scariest part isn't the raw capability, but how it's developing novel mathematical frameworks on the fly to solve problems.

Speaker 2 Research gives it questions and it invents entirely new branches of mathematics to answer them. One physicist showed it a problem he'd been stuck on for 15 years.

Speaker 2 It solved it in seconds with notations nobody recognized. It took three days for them to translate its solution back into standard mathematics.

Speaker 2 We saw demo videos that can't possibly be real except multiple independent sources confirm.

Speaker 2 R2 designed and simulated room temperature superconductor from first principles in under an hour, complete with fabrication methods using existing technology.

Speaker 2 They've already produced the samples in the Beijing labs, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 Their integration, their

Speaker 2 integrate,

Speaker 2 I can't say it now. Interrogation.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Merging with man and machine.

Speaker 2 With biological systems is the real. Integration? Integration.
Thank you. With biological systems is the real nightmare fuel.
Two-way neural interfaces that make Neuralink look like a child's toy.

Speaker 2 Direct cognitive enhancement already in human trials. This isn't even the most advanced system.
They're the ones showing it publicly.

Speaker 2 America is still treating this like normal technology race while China understands it's an exist extinction-level transformation of civilization.

Speaker 2 It's like watching a nuclear power race where one side is debating the ethics of gunpowder.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 3 Now, because

Speaker 3 my recollection of the Deep Seek story when that came out a few months ago was

Speaker 3 experts landed on the idea that there is absolutely, like, they basically were using our technology. Yes.
And it wasn't as impressive as initially thought.

Speaker 3 And so, this person or bot is saying that it is.

Speaker 3 Now, I will say, if you are a person trying to hide your identity, saying that you just had a four-hour conversation with a specific company, I mean, how many four-hour conversations happened that day?

Speaker 3 It would be a weird way to hide hide your identity unless you're lying about it.

Speaker 3 So, who knows? Maybe it's just all blown out.

Speaker 2 Hopefully, it's all blown out. I mean, you read the, I mean, Sam Altman follows, I mean, others following the current follow-up.
I mean, it's not just

Speaker 2 seen inside the circles, and they don't know who it is or what it is.

Speaker 2 A post like that makes me think it's a Chinese bot.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because it seems like it's a promoting DeepSeek, right?

Speaker 2 But he's not always promoting DeepSeek or it isn't promoting Deek. And this is the craziest part.
You don't know. Now it doesn't have to be a person.

Speaker 2 It could be an algorithm.

Speaker 3 Now, of course, there is this thing, you know, there's no, what is it? There's no

Speaker 3 limit to the levels humans can achieve when you don't care about pain and suffering. Yes.

Speaker 3 I think I'm paraphrasing Louis Siquette with that one, but it's like, you know, Chinese can just kind of throw bodies at this.

Speaker 3 If they're doing live human trials on this stuff, as we've seen, maybe with Wuhan in the past, they're kind of willing to do anything.

Speaker 3 And if they're doing this and actually seeing these advances,

Speaker 2 we wouldn't do

Speaker 3 you wouldn't be in human trials yet for any of this stuff. Although, you know, a very long ramp up for Elon Musk's company is we've seen some of that, I guess.
But

Speaker 3 they'll just throw people at it.

Speaker 2 You know what's crazy is we are dealing with technology that we have absolutely no idea what it's going to be like, what it can do, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 2 And I've read several of this bot or this person's posts, and they're talking about how

Speaker 2 just everything that you,

Speaker 2 everything, the way you work, the way you think, everything is just about ready to be just completely disrupted. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we're just,

Speaker 2 the world is just kind of going along with it. And we're like, oh, I don't know.
I don't know. It could be, maybe we should pass something about it.
We're just going along with it.

Speaker 2 And, you know, science,

Speaker 2 there's a watch. I think it was Omega.
I can't remember. There was a watch that was made in the 1950s and 60s.
And its sweep hand, it's secondhand. It had like a lollipop

Speaker 2 on it. So it was the stick of the hand.
And then it had like this little circle on it. And it was sweeping around.

Speaker 2 And the reason why they put the lollipop on it is it was a signal to the buyer and the wearer that that watch.

Speaker 2 didn't have radiation in it. And it's not like, oh, you were working at a lab.
It was that they were, you know, we had put to make things glow at night, that was radiation, okay?

Speaker 2 To get the luminosity on watches.

Speaker 3 At first, we were like, why would we just use some of this?

Speaker 2 And that went on for like a couple of decades, you know, and we were like, hey.

Speaker 2 How come his arm keeps losing all his hair in the first week of wearing that watch?

Speaker 2 And so they put like this little ollipop on it going, going, yep, no radiation in this one, dude.

Speaker 2 That's crazy that we could make, we could do that kind of stuff for that long and we kind of forget about it. And now, what are we working with? This is going to make nuclear stuff look like

Speaker 2 nothing, like nothing.

Speaker 3 We're so close to it as well.

Speaker 2 I read another post where they were saying that

Speaker 2 it is getting so fast in in for defense

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 and i've i said this i i know i said this five years ago that you won't even know that you've lost the war because for you the war hasn't even started yet but you will start and lose the war in a flash In as time as it takes you to go, wait a minute, there's a war going on.

Speaker 2 What? You've already lost. It happened and you've lost.
Because AI is going to get so good. It will predict absolutely every move that everybody's going to make.

Speaker 2 And it will just go, well, here's a counter move. Boom.
And put it in. You're like, okay, well, that's over.

Speaker 3 It's like when you,

Speaker 3 you're not a big video game guy, but when you start playing a game and

Speaker 3 you just decide to go on like the toughest level of the opposing AI and like they just can't do anything, Like you just automatically, your base is destroyed in seconds.

Speaker 3 That's a very, very low level version of this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Let me, can I give you one other thing on AI? I think this is fascinating. This is in the wall.
This was in the Wall Street Journal two weeks ago.

Speaker 3 And I didn't hear any, I haven't heard anybody talking about it.

Speaker 3 We've talked about for a long time the surveillance state, right?

Speaker 3 Like I remember with you taking calls from people going, I will not get an easy pass because that means they can track me when I go through the tolls.

Speaker 2 Remember when we were in Tampa? This is the year 2000,

Speaker 2 they put cameras up in the streets of

Speaker 2 a camera, not

Speaker 2 in America. Damn, right now.
Nobody was willing to give their fingerprints. Nobody wanted to give their face.
Yep. None of it.

Speaker 3 Now we all carry a phone, which, of course, GPS everywhere we go.

Speaker 3 We click yes, agree, agree, agree to everything.

Speaker 2 Open the phone with our face.

Speaker 3 Listen to this. This is

Speaker 3 amazing. This is from an author, Joanna Stern.

Speaker 2 Wall Street Journal. Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 3 I've been wearing a wire everywhere since February.

Speaker 3 How the article starts. I've got all the transcripts, important meetings, arguments with my kids, chats with disgruntled employees, late-night bathroom routines.
There's plenty more that

Speaker 3 I can't share if I want to, and my bosses and my family as well to keep liking me. No, I'm not an FBI informant.

Speaker 3 I I willingly wore a $50 bracelet that records everything I say and uses AI to summarize my life and send me helpful reminders.

Speaker 2 Why would you do that?

Speaker 2 That's called a panapticon.

Speaker 3 I think we're basically that. How do you have a private conversation in this world?

Speaker 3 They have, she tested two other devices as well that are on the market now for $159, $199.

Speaker 3 They recall every single thing. They transcribe every single thing.
They have recordings of every single thing that was said by her.

Speaker 2 Let's try this for a little rounder. No way.
Let's try it for a while. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 That's crazy. Crazy.

Speaker 2 Crazy. No, it's crazy not to try it to show everybody how bad it is, but it would be crazy to do it and be like, I think that's going to be a great addition to my life.

Speaker 3 She says, within hours of wearing this bracelet, I was blown away at how quickly it turned ramblings and random chatter into useful, actionable information.

Speaker 3 Yet allow me to quote myself from February 24th at 5.15 p.m. This bracelet is really effing creepy.

Speaker 3 Barely said that out loud. But I mean, you can see, again, I can see a world where that would probably be beneficial.
If you have a conversation with someone about something, God, what did they say?

Speaker 3 You'd have it.

Speaker 3 When you were saying, hey, we should get together next Thursday. It puts something in your calendar that says, hey, call this person about that Thursday meeting you discussed.

Speaker 3 Of course, that would be beneficial in some way.

Speaker 3 It's like having an assistant.

Speaker 3 If you're an executive, you might have an assistant.

Speaker 2 Those bots are already coming. By the end of the year, those will be strong everywhere.
You'll have that assistant doing that in your phone and everything else. It'll already do that.

Speaker 3 This is the death of private conversations, though.

Speaker 3 They're over.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You never, every single time you have a conversation, you should act like you're on television having it.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Well, we've lived that way for a long time.

Speaker 3 That's what made me so interested.

Speaker 2 We said back in 2008, we go to Fox. Remember, I'm the most admired man in the world.

Speaker 2 I'm number three.

Speaker 3 In some poll,

Speaker 2 in the AP. Every year they do that poll.

Speaker 2 And I'm tied with the poll and Nelson Mandela, okay, for number three. That's how screwed up our values were back then.
But anyway, so I go from that on to Fox, and all of a sudden, it is like

Speaker 2 hatred everywhere. And everything we say, because we're in New York City, we have to be careful.
Is somebody listening to us? Is anything around?

Speaker 2 So everything we say in private, unless you were in our own house, until some security guy came and said,

Speaker 2 no.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 anything that we were saying in our own house, you know, might be fine.

Speaker 2 Everything else and everything, I remember saying, every text you write, I don't care who it's to, I don't care what it's about, imagine it on the front page of the New York Times.

Speaker 2 You have to write everything as if it's on the front page of the New York Times. So it is, it's, I mean, it can be done, but it's really awful.

Speaker 3 But even then, as you point out, the house, there are moments where you think you'd have a private conversation with someone when they're wearing a recordable,

Speaker 2 which is but Sam, they're tiny, they're little bracelets. I don't even notice them.
Here's the thing. My wife wears one of these rings with her.

Speaker 2 Yeah, to talk about her steps and her heart. My wife's done everything, too.
Yeah, she does that too. So, and I'm watching this, and she got up in the morning and she's checking her sleep and stuff.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, can I borrow that ring? And she's like, no, no, get your own. And I'm like, I really don't want it, but it's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 It tells you everything you need to know. I mean, it monitors your body.
And it's great if it's contained there and you can go delete.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? I mean, and they, of course, say that. Even the recording device places say everything's encrypted.
It's on,

Speaker 3 of course, right?

Speaker 3 I will say the one thing maybe legally you could do on this stuff is there's only 12 states that are two-party consent states for recordings. That strikes me as wrong.

Speaker 3 Like, it's probably should be a lot higher. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 But if you're recording yourself.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but if you're having a conversation with someone, it's a one-party consent. So you're the party.
You can say you consent to the recording.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure what they do. Do what you want with them.
Just leave me alone.

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