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We talk about pardons with Alan Dershowitz and Mike Lee.

We talk about the dangers just ahead of our own president with Richard Stara Poli.

He's with Homeland Security or was with Homeland Security and Secret Service.

And we talk about the Ark of the Covenant,

its location they may be getting close to.

with Zev Orenstein, all on the best of today's podcast.

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So Richard Scarapoli, he is a former U.S.

Secret Service special agent, also former Department of Homeland Security chief.

He was the chief information officer there.

And I read an article by him the other day.

He

has extensive experience on matters involving intelligence gathering and emerging technologies,

but also,

you know, security was with Secret Service.

So not only forgery and bank fraud and fugitives, but also the security around the President of the United States.

And he believes

we are in for

possibly a rough winter here.

Richard, welcome to the program.

Well, thank you very much for having me, sir.

You bet.

You bet.

Thank you so much.

So

can you give us the threat that you see coming?

Well, you know, Glenn, I don't think I said anything that most people hadn't surmised to begin with about the deficiencies and the shortcomings of the Secret Service and how they've allowed their political feelings to compromise the mission of the Secret Service in providing the adequate level of protection for President Trump.

Right.

It is, I think it's more than obvious to real bad guys or evildoers, as W would have put it,

that every incident that's gone on that involved president trump since he was shot in butler to include the incident with the guy on the golf course

the the chinese national walking on onto the mar-a-lago property um other incidents um people are watching these things and they're viewing them as a test of the response of the secret service and i've got to tell you from a law enforcement from a secret service perspective the secret service has not fulfilled their primary mission they've simply allowed way too many things to happen that could have ended in total tragedy.

And were it not but for a millimeter in Butler, we'd be having a much different conversation about who the next president is going to be.

So, Richard,

I have

actually begged to testify against the Secret Service in Congress because I have firsthand knowledge of things that I have done

and how I've been able to approach the president without anybody, you know, looking into me and my team with guns.

I mean, it's crazy.

However, in the last few,

well, probably the last two months maybe,

the Secret Service is at least,

for a layman like me,

all over it.

I've never seen security like what's happening right now with Donald Trump.

Never.

And that's partly right, right?

The optics now has gotten a a lot better.

But the problem is, and this is just by virtue of the acting director's most recent testimony, where he continually says in full view of the public that they're lacking the adequate manpower and resources to do this job.

So a real bad guy interprets that as, okay, let's take a look and see what's going on.

And yes, the people that are around the secrets, that are around President Trump, have been pulled much closer.

It is more difficult to get closer to him.

All that simply means is that these organized groups need to pull back their perimeter.

Look what happened at the event in Vegas before the election.

A guy in a car for a truck was allowed to drive within a quarter of a mile.

Turns out he was a Trump supporter, but he was stopped by the local sheriff's office.

Hey, what if that truck had been loaded with explosives?

He got close enough to cause tremendous damage to that building and bring the roof down.

And yet, even at a quarter of a mile, he never encountered a federal agent, let alone a Secret Service agent.

The Secret Service is not providing the presidential level of protection that they need to to President Trump.

And they're masking that because they're saying, well, he was a former president.

Now they're saying, well, he's not inaugurated yet.

So consequently, you've left the guy who's target number one on everyone's hit list.

not as protected as he should be.

Yet you're providing 40 or so protective details to members of the Biden crime family to include crackhead, non-taxpaying Hunter Biden.

And this is a big problem.

You don't have manpower.

Why are you providing protective details to the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Karine Jean-Pierre, Admiral Kirby, and I could go on and on for another 20 people.

Kareem Jean-Pierre has Secret Service protection?

Oh, this has been going on for a long time.

There are almost 40 protective details that are being worked out of the White House.

Not all of them are done by statute that involve the Biden family.

There are people that are being given one or two agents and are driven to work back and forth under the guise of, well, you know, it's in the best interest of national security.

You can't tell me that isn't a conscious decision by the Biden administration to suck resources away from where they should have been allocated to President Trump.

Now, can I push the service?

Can I push back again, Richard, on this?

Only because you're a pro at this.

I'm a layman, but I have been around presidents

since Reagan.

And

I remember the Secret Service around Reagan.

It was intense.

When I was at Mar-Lago just, what, last week, I mean, I've never seen anything like it.

And in fact, I said to my wife, I think all of the taxes that I will pay in my entire life

will not cover the

of all of this apparatus and all of these people protecting the president.

And I pay a lot in taxes.

I mean,

I can't imagine what real security would look like.

So,

what is it you think they're missing?

Well, what they're missing

is the secret part of the Secret Service that you don't see, right?

The fact that you've got to go through all these metal detectors and pass through this coordinate of Secret Service agents, that's part of it.

But the other part of it is things like, where's the air assets, right?

For years, the Secret Service has been using a helicopter airborne asset.

Well, since Igor Sikorsky invented helicopters, right?

By doing that, you've put people in the air, you've demonstrated the ability to have secure communications amongst the personnel on board that helicopter, and you've allowed the service to extend their perimeter.

out much, much further.

What the service is doing now is nice.

That'll stop the guy with the handgun.

That'll stop the guy from getting in close, but that's not going to stop the organized threat.

And it's the organized threat that's a really, really big concern here today, right?

Whether it's the nation, state, or the cartels, they don't need to get that close.

They just need to know where he is and take a building down.

And that's the concern.

So

there's two things that concern me.

And you, having experience with the Department of Homeland Security, would recognize this immediately.

I mean, I see the way his plane, down in Florida, it was protected by rows of old school buses.

Okay.

They just parked them all around his plane.

That didn't seem, I mean, that seemed a little like, I don't know, like how Venezuela might do it.

But

I know that it probably is not that hard for a cartel or someone to get a rocket launcher across the border.

And the president's plane does not have, what is it, chaff or chaff, chaff?

Countermeasures, that's a lot of money.

Yeah, countermeasures doesn't have any of that.

So I'm worried about that.

And I am worried that we do have

really bad drug cartel people in the country and people from several countries who wish us death that could get those rocket launchers.

So is the Department of Homeland Security, are they working with the Secret Service at all to find that?

Because I don't hear that.

I heard that right after the first shooting, and then I haven't heard anything about it since.

No, and no one's heard anything from the Department of Homeland Security.

This guy, Alejandro Majorkis, has turned out to be the biggest empty suit I think I've ever seen in the federal government, right?

The military assets that should be afforded President Trump, and I understand, listen, okay, he's not the inaugurated president yet, totally irrelevant.

If something happens to President Trump, it has cataclysmic effects for the entire world, let alone the United States.

The military assets need to be turned on.

And who can turn them on?

President Joe Biden.

But he's not going to do that.

You cannot surround Trump Force One, which I know that's how he likes to refer to it, with school buses or dump Trump.

You need jets.

You need military jets, do you not?

That's exactly right.

There's military jets.

There's countermeasures that can be put on the aircraft.

There's classified programs that can be employed and are employed for the sitting president of the United States.

They're designed to make sure that somebody doesn't lob a missile at the direction of that plane or fly a drone into the protected airspace and so on and so forth.

And these assets are not being used because he's not the sitting president yet.

This is total nonsense.

They've left this guy wide open to something happening between now and the inauguration.

And are you worried that that's what you're really worried about is these next 40 days?

Well, it's the next 40 days, but it's also the next four years, right?

How can someone be a Secret Service agent and not go to work every day with the mindset, hey, I've got to stop the Mujadeen from coming over the wall today?

I've got to be thinking about what is the biggest cataclysmic effect that can possibly happen and design my protective security net, my site, to thwart that.

Anything less than that, and you're fooling yourself, and you should not be a Secret Service agent.

So in the old days, that just wouldn't happen.

So I know that Donald Trump,

he's a guy who grew up going to church with Norman Vincent Peale.

So he is a positive thinker.

He doesn't like to speak things like this.

And he has said to me, he said to the American people and he has said to me privately, I am very comfortable with the people who are around me, the Secret Service.

They're doing their job, blah, blah, blah.

And he won't talk about any of the security at all, all, ever, even privately.

In fact, I brought it up and I said, hey, I'm really concerned.

He said, I don't want to hear it.

I don't want to, don't speak things into existence.

So

he is,

I don't know where he actually stands on this, but he seems to be happy with it.

What is the one thing he, who should he have in?

that could clean this thing up.

I keep thinking, Dan Bongino, but Bongino's, I don't think, going to do it.

Who should he put in to clean this up?

Because it really needs to be cleaned up.

The entire Secret Service.

He needs somebody that has the one, the ability to walk into a room and command the respect of the field, right?

This guy that's in there now certainly doesn't have that.

And that became monumentally evident when that congressman during last week's hearing produced that photo of the acting director sitting behind President Biden at the September 11th events, right?

That wasn't coincidence.

Somebody sent him that picture.

No, no, no, no, no, you know where that picture came from?

You know where that picture came from?

The guy's wife.

She was taking photographs of all of that.

So she was the photographer on it.

And everybody had their taped position, and his position was way behind.

It wasn't even close.

Yep.

Oh, that's exactly right.

And she's a Secret Service employee, by the way.

His wife.

I don't know if that's commonly known, but the guy should not have been there.

That was all about the optics of putting himself in the proverbial photo, right?

So, put that aside.

So, to answer your question, you need somebody that will have the respect of the rank and file, somebody that's been there and has done these things, right?

You also need somebody, and this is where it gets a little more difficult, that has been out of the government, say, for a decade or so, that has the business acumen to be able to deal with an organization that has 7,000 employees.

We're pretty sure it's got 7,000.

No one can give me an exact number.

Let's see.

And a budget of $3.5 billion.

That is a huge number.

You need someone that can appreciate how big of a number that is.

And the current policy of the Secret Service continually promoting Secret Service agents that have backgrounds in sociology and police science into positions where they're managing that kind of a budget, that doesn't work.

It's unacceptable.

The current director has asked for an additional $2 billion.

You need $5.5 billion to do this job.

You have one mission and they can't get it done.

So ultimately, hey, the guys, listen, I've been asked who I would recommend.

I've given some names.

They've got them.

I've given a list of, hey, here's the things you need to do to get that agency back to where it was, to achieve that level of greatness.

All this other stuff that they're...

Go ahead, sir.

No, no, no.

I don't mean to cut you off.

I have to hit a network break here.

But

let me just say this, Richard.

Would you do me a favor?

Would you stay in touch with us as you see the names being narrowed down and you see who is nominated?

Could you

give us a heads up?

I'd love to have you back on.

And of course,

anytime that you see, I'd love a list of what you think has to be done at the Secret Service.

I mean, I think one of the biggest problems with the Secret Service is their budget.

And what I mean by that is that's all they rely on.

They don't, they don't, it's almost as if they don't put their brains in gear.

They just are like, spend the money.

We've got the equipment.

Well, what about you?

What about you as an individual?

That's right.

There's no foresought or predictive way that they spend this money.

If this were the private sector, I would fire everyone.

One last question, Richard.

Handling money.

One last question, and then I've got to run.

But can the president ever hire additional security outside, if he wanted security, because I've said to him you should get Gavin DeBecker

can yeah can he do that is that allowed he can do that

by by statute back to 1901 right the Secret Service has to afford the president protection but there's nothing that says he can't hire his additional protection and the Secret Service is going to have to work with that whether they like it or not yeah that would change everything that would get their butts in gear

I think absolutely but but they need somebody to go in there and just fire people They do.

And I'd start with the leadership and let's redo it.

And I'd be more than happy to do that for them.

Are you throwing your name in?

You know, look, I've had this discussion with the president and with the Trump family before.

I said, I can come down there.

I will walk you through whoever you're most comfortable with making the director of the Secret Service.

I will clean house and get them back to where they need to be and get you started.

You'll have the most secure environment as possible.

And I'm certainly not going to, my answer is not going to be, well, I've got to put you behind glass like you're working the counter at bike passing.

I know.

That's ridiculous.

This isn't Venezuela.

Richard, thank you so much.

We'll talk again.

Thank you.

Richard Sarapoli.

Thank you.

You bet.

Former U.S.

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This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Deb Orenstein is with us from the City of David Foundation.

He's the director of international affairs.

And we're going to talk a little bit about the archaeology of what's going on in the city of David.

How are you?

Great to be with you.

Yeah,

good to have you here.

So

how far

out of the city wall is the city of David from...

Most people don't, they've never been there.

They don't realize how small all of Israel is, let alone Jerusalem.

So can you give us some scale first of what we're talking about?

So Israel itself is about the size of the okay state of New Jersey.

We have about 10 million people living in Israel.

Jerusalem is the largest city.

Probably about a million people living in Jerusalem.

So Jerusalem, by U.S.

standards, is probably not the biggest city.

And yet, for billions of people, not millions, when they wake up in the morning, they look to Jerusalem as a source of meaning, faith, hope, identity, inspiration.

I can tell you when my wife, I've said this a million times, and I don't know if people can even begin to understand this.

My wife and I went the first time, we went to the Temple Mount, and you could almost feel.

You could feel it.

And then we were all the way up at the border of Syria past the Sea of Galilee.

And I looked at my wife and I said, it's like it's pulsing.

I said, can you feel the Temple Mount even here?

There's a reason.

It honestly is like the polar,

the pole goes right through the Temple Mount.

And the world actually revolves around that.

100%.

It's wild to feel it.

Now, if you ask the average Jewish person, Christian person, close your eyes and imagine biblical Jerusalem.

Tell me what you see.

And you'll get answers like, I see the Western Wall.

I see maybe the stations of the cross, maybe the Church of Holy Sepulchre, the Garden Tomb.

I see the Old City of Jerusalem.

And all wonderful, good places.

Except none of them, at least when we're talking about the original Hebrew Bible, none of those places are in the Bible.

When you think of the places where the kings of the Bible ruled and the prophets of the Bible preached, you're talking about the city of David.

The city of David is today located just outside the walls of the old city.

Now, most people think the walls of the old city, those iconic walls, they must be thousands of years old.

They're They're only about 500 years old.

Now, only...

Wait, wait, the ancient walls around Jerusalem?

That's right.

500 years ago.

Built by Suleiman during the Ottoman period.

No idea.

Right?

Wow.

Now, most people, we'll say 2,000, 3,000 years old.

Now, the walls of the Temple Mount, the Western Wall itself, the Southern Wall, the Southern Steps, all that's 2,000 years old, going back to the time of Jesus.

But the wall around the old city of Jerusalem is only 500 years old.

Now, if you're sitting here in America, you're like, wow, 500 years is a long time ago.

Jerusalem, which is 4,000 years old, 500 years ago is like last week.

We don't get overly excited by anything 500 years old.

So what happened?

We lost Jerusalem.

Everyone thought it was the old city.

Until about 150 years ago, 1867, Queen Victoria of England, she wants to discover the treasures of the Bible, like the Ark of the Covenant.

She sends a man by the name of Captain Charles Warren to the Holy Land to find those treasures.

He comes to Jerusalem.

He wants to excavate the Temple Mount, where the Temple of Solomon stood, the biblical Mount Moriah.

Except in 1867, the Ottomans, the Muslims are are there.

And they say, Charles, we're sure you're a great guy.

But you're not digging up the Temple Mount.

To this day, due to religious sensitivities, political sensitivities, the Temple Mount has had almost no archaeological activity.

So now...

Wait, wait, wait.

Let me clarify this.

They have, Muslims, if I'm not mistaken, have been digging.

It's not archaeology.

Right.

They've been digging it and

putting it into dump trucks and destroying.

Right.

Right.

But meaning in terms of archaeology, with the goal of uncovering the heritage and history of Jerusalem, uncovering the biblical heritage of Jerusalem, that hasn't taken place.

The opposite.

What the Islamic walk for the religious trust on the Temple Mount, what they've done, is the opposite of archaeology with the goal of not uncovering and celebrating the heritage of Jerusalem, but actually destroying it.

And there's actual archaeologists that sift through

all the stuff.

To this day, you have archaeologists and volunteers who are able to go and sift through the hundreds and hundreds of truckloads of earth that were removed from the Temple Mount by the Islamic Religious Trust in the late 1990s, dumped in garbage dumps.

And when you're sifting through this earth, you will find next to 2,000-year-old coins, potato chip wrappers, Coke cans.

Why?

Because it's all jumbled together now.

They have no responsibility.

I said they do.

I mean, we have no idea what.

So the pretense was they wanted to build an emergency exit on the Temple Mount.

There is a very large subterranean mosque known as the Marwani Mosque beneath the Temple Mount, beneath the area known as Solomon's Stables.

One of the most beautiful parts of

the southern end of the Temple Mount.

Wow.

They hollowed it out and they built this subterranean mosque.

And then they said, well, now we have this mosque there.

We need to build an emergency exit.

And they used the legitimacy of building an emergency exit to bring in bulldozers and dump trucks and massive machinery.

One of the most famous Israeli archaeologists, he said, if you use a toothbrush on the Temple Mount, that's probably heavy machinery.

They used used bulldozers and dump trucks.

And they took tons and tons and tons of earth and just threw it in the garbage dump.

And they say, why?

And the answer is very simple.

What they are trying to hide is that the Jewish people, and by extension, Christians, have been in Jerusalem for thousands of years.

And so if they can destroy that history, destroy that heritage, well, then they could go along with their claims that Israel is an occupying, colonizing power that has no history and no heritage in the land of Israel or in Jerusalem.

They are seeking to rewrite history, to erase the Judeo-Christian heritage heritage from Jerusalem.

In fact, the United Nations passed a resolution a couple of years ago saying that the Temple Mount and Western Wall are exclusively Islamic holy places.

What?

And they go on to say and condemn all the archaeological excavations in Jerusalem.

Now you might say, how on earth could anyone say such a thing, that Jews and Christians of no heritage in Jerusalem condemn the archaeology?

Why would they say that?

But the answer is very simple.

If the story that you want to tell about Jerusalem is an exclusively Islamic story, then you will hate a place like the City of David, one of the most archaeologically excavated sites in the world, because every single day we're unearthing antiquities, fancy word for old stuff, that show not simply as a matter of faith, but as a matter of fact, that Jerusalem's biblical heritage is true, that the connection that Jews and Christians have with Jerusalem, the foundations that the United States of America, that the Judeo-Christian heritage that it's built upon comes from Jerusalem, that it's real.

And that is a nightmare to them.

So the last time you were on, I think we talked about the pool of Bethesda.

And this is where Jesus healed the man who had been

waiting for a miracle

at the pool.

That's it right.

The pool of Silaum at the southern end of the city of David, right?

Which up until 2004 was totally covered up.

And then in 2000...

Do we even know that that's kind of where it was?

We know 100% that's where it is now.

No, no, no.

No, then, when we started the archaeological dig, we didn't know.

So they say hindsight is 2020.

And obviously now I was like, well, of course we knew where that's where it was.

But But back then, 2004, it's all covered up.

There's a road above it.

There's a sewage pipe below.

And only because of a busted sewage pipe.

We have a teaching in our faith that says God has many miracles.

The reason we found one of the most significant biblical heritage sites in all of Jerusalem, the Pool of Siloam, with deep significance to Christians and Jews alike, was because of a busted sewage pipe.

And that, of course, leads then to another discovery, because the Pool of Siloam was the place where, before going up to the temple on Passover, Pentecost, tabernacles, the pilgrimage festivals, you have to cleanse yourself.

You have to wash, cleanse, bathe.

In the Christian scriptures, the story of the healing of the blind man, also Pool of Sila.

And so the archaeologists said, well, if we know where the pool is, at the southern end of the city of David, the place where Jerusalem began, how did the millions of pilgrims get from the pool all the way up to the temple on the Temple Mount?

They widen the excavation.

and they end up discovering what's known as the pilgrimage road.

The road that our ancestors, yours and mine, Jews and Christians alike, would have walked on 2,000 years ago when they went on pilgrimage up to the temple on the Temple Mount.

So it goes that road would go right directly from that pool.

That's right.

Right to the temple.

The temple.

I call it the biblical superhighway.

Anywhere you wanted to go in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago, that road would take you there.

And I've been asked many, many times, what are the chances Jesus walked on that road?

Had to be 100%.

Yeah, so I tell people, I say, look, conservatively speaking,

you're talking about 100%.

I say, well, how do you know?

Well, the answer is really very simple.

If you believe that there was a historic Jesus 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, well, he was Jewish.

He went with all the Jews down to cleanse at the Pool of Sila, at the southern end of the city of David.

He would have then walked up from the pool along the pilgrimage road, along the half-mile journey up to the temple on the Temple Mount.

The Pool of Silaeam that we're excavating as we speak in the city of David today is 100% the same Pool of Sailam from 2,000 years ago, the time of Jesus.

The pilgrimage road that archaeologists from the Israel Antiquities Authority are excavating as we speak today, 100% the same pilgrimage road, same temple mount, same city of David.

Not simply a matter of faith, but a matter of fact.

It's real.

You could see it.

You could touch it.

You could walk on it.

It is the most significant half mile on the planet.

There is no half mile.

That means more to more people anywhere in the world than the city of David.

So when it comes to the temple, does it come to Solomon's stairs?

And it's got to be below.

I mean, you excavated.

How deep.

Down did you have to dig to find the road?

So the pilgrimage road itself runs up the length of the city of David.

It comes out at the southwestern corner of the Temple Mount.

So now what happens is it then splits off.

When it gets to the southwestern corner, there is one branch that goes off to the east, which comes out by the southern steps.

Again, another site with deep significance for Jews and Christians alike.

And then the other part, when it gets to the southwest corner, keeps going north along the western wall.

And that became the main thoroughfare.

In fact, when a person stands at the southwest corner of the Temple Mount, you could see the remnants of a massive staircase that would have taken the pilgrims up into the temple.

It's still there.

You could see the remnants of that staircase.

So this was the main thoroughfare where everyone is gathering.

Now today, the pilgrimage road, or the vast majority of it, is about 60 feet underground.

Now, if this was the United States, what would happen?

You know, if you go to Gettysburg today, How many people are buried on the battlefield?

How many people live today on the battlefield of Gettysburg?

Nobody.

It's one of the most significant American heritage sites.

So in Jerusalem, you would say, well, City of David, it's significant, not just for millions, but billions of people around the world.

What should we do?

Two words, eminent domain.

Except in this part of Jerusalem, we don't do that.

And so the challenge is, how do you, on the one hand, respect the modern-day city of David and the people who live there today, and at the same time, uncover all the heritage with significance to billions of people around the world and give access to all those who want to see it themselves?

And the answer is with a lot of sensitivity.

That's why the city of David, it's only 11 acres in size.

We've only excavated one-third of the site to date over the last 150 years.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

So it's mainly with buildings and roads and everything above it?

Above it, right?

Holy cow.

And so you're literally trying to have the best of both worlds.

Respect the modern, uncover the ancient.

And that's why so much of the work has to be done with the utmost

sensitivity and at the highest of standards because you can't afford any mistakes.

You can't afford for some.

You're not getting Elon Musk with his boring machine.

No, everything has to be, you're talking about small tools, lots of engineering to support everything that's up above.

But I had the privilege of hosting members of the Navy SEALs along the pilgrimage road.

And they were based out of Coronado on the West Coast.

And they said, well, how does all this get covered up?

So I said, well, you know, it's really simple.

You know, you have

one time period.

Someone comes in and conquers it.

They build on top of it.

Another one conquers them, builds on top of that, throws some earthquakes in there.

And you kind of get all these layers.

And I said, well, you know, just to bring it closer to home, I said, well, you guys are out there in California.

I said, if you dug down beneath beneath your homes, you'd probably find that once upon a time there were some Native Americans living there.

If you kept digging, you might find that once upon a time there were some Republicans living there.

I doubt that.

I doubt that.

I don't think you'll ever find that evidence.

It's Seattle.

Seattle has a Seattle underground.

Right?

Yeah.

So it's built on top of that.

So in ancient times, it was under the sky.

But today, we have to take into account that there is a modern-day neighborhood.

And so the neighborhood is preserved, but we are uncovering that heritage.

So I want to go into some of the things that you have found that are possible.

I was just talking to somebody who did a documentary on the Ark of the Covenant, and one of the places that he said it might be is right in that area where you're digging.

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Senator Mike Lee joins us now.

Hello, Mike.

How are you?

Doing great.

It's good to be with you as always, Glenn.

I have to tell you, we just got off the phone with Alan Dershowitz, and I was teasing that you were coming up, you know, in a few minutes.

And he said, wait, before we start, I just have to please tell Mike Lee hello.

I'm going to send you a clip of it.

It was amazing.

Please tell Mike Lee hello.

I was a clerk with his father and we had lunch and

he spoke so highly of your father

and of his principles, et cetera, et cetera.

And then it spiraled strangely into you.

And he was like, and Mike is, you know, the apple doesn't fall from the tree, fall far from the tree.

And I'm like, you don't know Mike personally.

I do.

But he was so complimentary of you.

And we both talked about hopefully you will be a member on the Supreme Court someday.

It's pretty amazing.

Well, that's kind of what you just say.

Years ago, when I was clerking on the Supreme Court, I was looking, I found a list of law clerks who served during the October term 1963 when my dad was a law clerk to Justice White.

And I saw that another one of the law clerks that year for a different justice

was Alan Dershowitz.

So

I was pleased to discover that.

He said

years later, when I met him, I asked him if he remembered my dad.

And he said, oh, yeah, we were great friends.

Anyway.

Yeah, he said he had lunch with your dad all the time because he couldn't drink coffee.

And

he, as a Jew, couldn't eat anything else.

So they had lunch together all the time.

They were a good pair.

Yeah, they were.

They were.

Mike, I want to talk to you about all of these pardons.

First of all, as Dershowitz said, you know, it is the only kingly power we grant.

Has it always been used like it's being used now?

I mean, I remember the first time.

I heard about it, really, was with Nixon.

And then it was used for maybe, you know, a few pals, et cetera, et cetera.

But my gosh, now it's pardoning for future crimes.

And

is this what it's supposed to be?

And why do we have it?

Okay, so as to the reason why we have it, Alexander Hamilton provides one of the best explanations for that in Federalist Paper No.

74.

Sure, read it.

And he argues that

it's an absolutely essential tool for mitigating what he called the cruelty of the law.

Remember that the federal prisoners, those who have been convicted of a federal offense,

it's an executive authority that keeps them in prison.

It's the president's job to execute the law.

And so

it operates as kind of a natural extension of the president's power to oversee that process.

But this one goes a step further and allows the president even to vitiate the underlying conviction or in some cases through the clemency power take the lesser included step of reducing a sentence.

The idea here is that even though it is subject to abuse, even though it can be abused, and it has been abused at times in the past,

as some would argue, it's nonetheless better to have it there

as a backstop for abuses in the law and excesses in punishment.

Such that if we took it away, I think their problems would be greater.

Yeah, there is it's kind of the idea.

I'd rather have

one bad guy go free or 10 bad guys go free than one good guy, you know, unjustly in prison.

So I guess I can kind of see it from that point of view because I think there is some

injustice that happens from time to time.

Dershowitz said that

in granting his son blanket immunity, he said he thinks that was a big mistake.

It opens his son up to testify on a lot of stuff.

Do you see it that way?

Yes, absolutely.

In fact, that was one of the first observations I made on X for my at Faced Mike Lee account right after this happened.

I pointed out that this makes it very easy for us now to issue a subpoena and hold hearings in the House and in the Senate in which we invite Hunter Biden to come and testify, to tell us a lot of things, including things about his business operations and any business relationship he had with the big guy and have him name the big guy and identify him as such.

But he'll say he'll just take the fifth, right?

Okay, so he takes the fifth.

But what happens when he plays the fifth and then we can point out that you're immune because he's pardoned you prospectively, not just for the crimes of which he's been charged and convicted, but of any and all other crimes that might arise out of any of his conduct since 2014.

So when you say the fifth, you're like, who are you protecting beside your dad?

Right, right, exactly.

So what is it exactly you're protecting?

Because anything older than 2014 is almost certainly covered by the statute of limitations.

And anything since then, you're immune because you're pardoned.

prospectively.

And so you can't plead the fifth if you don't have any sort of credible basis for arguing that it could lead to your criminal liability.

So, Mike, I just don't think we're going to, I don't think we're going to continue with the hearings on the Biden family.

I think we should, only because

it should at least be exposed, and people know

if the president had sold his office and sold the American people out.

That should be known because there has to be at least some shame attached to it.

So

we don't do it again.

But are we really, is anybody going to spend any time on that?

Well, I think someone should, because as you say, we need at a minimum to know what happened,

regardless of what comes of it.

We need to know

for purposes of posterity, for purposes of

knowing what to look out for in the future.

We need to have answers to that.

And so I strongly suspect that you'll have at least one committee in the House and at least one committee in the Senate that will hold hearings on this and do some investigating and hopefully subpoena Hunter Biden to come and testify as a witness.

So I talked to Cash Patel, well, this is probably four or five months ago before he was, you know, before we, it was before the assassination attempt.

So it was still at a time where you're like, I don't know, it's going to be close.

And he wasn't jockeying for anything.

And we were just talking about, for instance, the Epstein case.

Where is that diary?

And he said it's with the head of the FBI.

And I said,

it has to be released.

That's too much power for one person or a group of people to even have.

It should just be open.

And he said, well, I think the Justice Department and

the FBI should start declassifying.

a lot of stuff that

shouldn't be classified.

And he said, you find the body that is buried.

You don't really need to do much because it's already been done, but then all classified so nobody can see it.

No, that's right.

And I was just with Cash yesterday.

It was in my office.

We had a great conversation.

I look forward to getting him confirmed.

Yeah, I love him.

Pointing out that one of many reasons why they do this sort of thing.

They'll keep investigations

open

after

there has ceased to be any meaningful possibility of moving on them, just so that they can keep the files closed.

And this is the very kind of thing in government that makes people curious.

It's one of the reasons why you still have the JFK files

that, you know, 60 years after the fact remained

have remained locked.

This is absurd.

The American people need and deserve to know what has gone on in their own government and what those files say.

I don't want to get anything

and evade your private conversation, but tell me in the private conversation, do you think that he is going to be going down that road?

Do you foresee that from

all of the people that Trump is putting into office?

I mean, we should know everything that you guys should know.

I think the American people should know what happened with Fauci and everything else.

You think we're going to release these investigations?

I think he's going to be doing a lot of declassification.

Now, I don't want to speak for him,

but I do believe that he will declassify a lot of things.

I'll leave it up to him to decide how, when,

and what circumstances to do that.

But I know that his strong inclination is to declassify things that don't need to be classified anymore and that the American people have the right to know.

It's one of the many reasons why we need to get cash to tail confirmed.

What about Hegseth?

I also had Hegseth in my office last night.

I'm very optimistic there.

We're making huge progress.

And look,

with both of these guys,

I have yet to hear any legitimate reason why we shouldn't confirm either one of them.

I believe that Pete Hexeth is somebody who is, at the end of the day, going to be our Secretary of Defense.

He is going to get confirmed.

And I don't know whether or how many Republican senators might at the end of the day vote against it, but I think it's going to be a very small number.

And I think it's going to be small enough that at a minimum we'll get them confirmed, even if that means we have to bring in a vice president to break a tie.

But I think they will both get through, and I think they should get through.

Remember, when a president gets elected, the president has a certain mandate, and there's a time-honored practice of deferring, in most instances, to the president's choices, particularly on very key positions, like Secretary of Defense, Defense, Secretary of State, Attorney General, and yes, FBI Director.

What about Tulsi and RFK?

Tulsi and RFK are going to get through as well.

In each instance, you can find something

that the

leftist

mainstream media and the uniparty fixtures in Washington will oppose.

But in each case, they're opposing these people because they oppose Trump and because they don't want daylight shed on the swamp.

So they want the swamp's secrets kept as a secret.

So I'm running late and I'm up against a break, Mike.

But let me just wrap it up with this.

We were talking earlier today.

If you release all of this information and you start going after

deep, deep corruption,

that is like movie-like dangerous you're going against some of the most powerful and richest and and the intel community uh that's going to be really dangerous for people isn't it

less dangerous than keeping these secrets look this is why we have elections this is why we have a constitution so that the people remain in control of government and so that the people don't become pawns of the government.

Yes.

As if boasting

as the axe that wields itself against he who made it.

It's time to put the people back in charge of their own government.

To do that, they need information on what's been happening in their government.

That's why we've got to get these people confirmed.

Yeah, good, good.

Mike, as always, great to talk to you.

Thank you so much.

Thanks so much, Mark.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

You can follow him on

what is it?

Based Mike Lee.

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No, no, no, no.

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When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a four-litre jug.

When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping.

They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia Trip Planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip.

Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.

Whatever.

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