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I don't think we're in trouble at all.

Of course, you know, the White House correspondence dinner happened this weekend, and it was,

oh, it was, well, I don't know, because I didn't watch it and we're not going to talk about it.

Although, Sophia Bush, the actress that nobody knows and nobody cares about, has come out as queer at the White House correspondents dinner, which is,

well, I don't really care because I don't really know who she is, but I'm glad that's part of,

you know, part of the news today.

Iraq has now passed

kind of a, well, a death penalty, you know, if you're gay.

So you got that going for you there.

Hey, hey, hey, ho, ho, Palestinians, go, go.

And speaking of that, we do

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We're going to see some of the exciting things that they're doing,

including calling for that caliphate and the death of all Jews, which is, you know, always...

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Nah.

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i don't know about you but when i hear allah akbar i think god is great

uh and that's why he'll destroy

that other

imposter that's saying kill people.

And anyway, how are you?

Welcome to the program.

We're glad you're here.

Pat Gray joins us, fresh off a student protest.

How was the weekend stew?

Or Pat?

Oh, it was

protestic.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

It wasn't protesting.

Really?

It really was.

Which one did you choose to

protest at?

I went to the one

at Harvard.

At Harvard?

Yeah.

Oh, did you raise the flag?

I helped.

Yeah, I helped lower the American flag first, which had to be taken out of the way, and then raise the Palestinian flag.

Amen.

Yeah, it's a beautiful moment for all of us.

What about the flag for tolerance?

Well, those colors and like the

rainbow, but then they've changed it into like 943 colors and directions and diagonal lines.

Did you get that one?

Yeah, we got that one too.

Yeah, good.

Which is interesting because in the Gaza Strip, you know, those people would be killed.

And

so it's great that they support the Palestinian cause anyway.

I love that.

Very, very tolerant.

Selfless.

Yeah.

It is.

Very selfless, very selfless.

So, you know, I was looking at the

trend here on the summers, and there's something here that I don't know if anybody else has caught.

I mean,

in 2017 in the summer, you know, we still had the women's march going on.

That was 2017.

That was the big protest that year.

Then the March for Our Lives, which was against guns

in 2018.

2019 became very busy because you had Greta, you know, very upset about how dare you, and the climate change and everything else.

And so she got a bunch of people to block traffic and throw soup at really expensive paintings, which I think,

you know, it really turned me.

I was like, I don't know if I trust this, you know, little puny pip squeak.

And then she was like, you know, we got a destroyed paintings and the soup.

And I thought, okay.

Then the, oh, by the way, that year also we had, we set Portland on fire.

I think we set Minneapolis on fire.

Chaz

was built in Seattle.

How's that doing now up in Seattle?

I don't even want to ask.

I'm sure it's doing well.

Then in 2020,

we had the COVID

protests, which couldn't be done because of COVID.

It was really, it was wrong.

But if you happen to want to march with BLM and loot some stores, you know what I'm saying, Then it was okay.

Then it was okay.

21, we had the masks vaccines.

22, it starts to slow down.

Strangely, after Joe Biden is elected, it kind of, you know, the mask and the vaccines and nobody really pays attention.

Then 22, you know, the Putin stooge.

You know, if you're for, if you're, if you're not willing to send all of your money, all of your money over to Ukraine, you love Putin.

Then 23, last summer was kind of a yawn fest, which I think it was kind of like, hey, let's just take a break because we got a big, big summer coming up.

And if our guy loses, we're going to have to just keep upping the ante

every summer.

So this year is the summer of global jihad.

So

that's great.

Next summer, I'm not sure, but I think it's the summer of Satan is neat

marches,

which will display the rainbow flag, but it won't look exactly the same.

It's exactly the same, except it's all black and like the caliphate flag, you know, but that has right whiting on it, right, white writing.

So, you know, all the diverse colors, even the white stuff, just fades right directly to

black.

So Satan is neat coming next summer.

Make sure you prepare your kids in college.

I was thinking of the

t-shirt we made a while ago that just says learn, then protest.

The order is important.

and I feel like it really applies.

It's more relevant than ever, right now, doesn't it?

Kind of feels like that.

They're big fat dummies, yeah, yeah.

Kind of saying that

dummies, learnthen protest.com, by the way, if you want to get the shirt because it's something you could wear to the protests.

Because I don't think they know what the order is.

I think they don't, they don't.

They're at least doing one of the things they're protesting.

There's no evidence that they're learning, but they should know that the steps are clear.

You need to learn about the topic you're protesting, and then you go to the protest.

Well, you saw that

they have the receipts on learning, okay?

They have the receipts.

$90,000 a year, and they're learning.

They're learning a lot.

You saw the girls interviewed last week, right, at some of those protests where they're asked,

why are you here?

What about the Palestinian situation has,

you know, motivated you to get out and speak on their behalf?

And

none of them knew.

Not one of them understood why they were there.

In fact, they said, yeah, I'm not that educated on it.

Then why

are you standing there with a placard?

Why?

They don't know.

They have no idea.

So, yeah, I think it's really important.

Learn, then protest.

It would be nice.

It would be nice.

It would be a nice change.

I think it would solve a lot of these problems.

And, you know, and again, you guys were, I know, won over by the soup on the paintings.

I, I, myself, I like to at least miss one flight.

I want to be in on a road on the way to the airport, and I want to miss that flight.

And then I think, wow, the Gowsons are the good guys in this.

Yeah, because there was people laying in the roadway.

Yeah.

Is that what you would say?

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

I love that.

That convinces me.

Oh, every time.

I've talked about this for decades because of the protests in Houston

that dumped garbage in intersections.

Man, that won me over to the janitors downtown and their plight.

I wanted them to make $1,000 an hour after they dumped garbage in my way.

I loved it.

I loved it.

So it's weird because I didn't see all those protesters.

I just noticed, I was near campus this weekend.

I just noticed how many speed bumps they put on the roads all around the campus.

So

I didn't see the dying at all.

Anyway, by the way, there is Marianne Alwan.

This is a very sad, tragic story.

This is from AP.

Mariam Alwan, she figured the worst was over when the New York City police, in riot gear, mind you, arrested her on the Columbia University campus and then loaded her and others onto the bus and held them in custody for hours, hours.

But the next evening.

Yeah, she thought it was over, but it wasn't.

The next evening, she received a curt email from the university.

And I'm talking curt.

She and other students, it said, were being suspended for their arrests at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment.

And this is a tactic that a lot of colleges are using now.

You know, they're just saying, hey, we want you out of here.

And so now the students' rights to protest for these things.

And there's faculty that are standing with the protesters and they're like, hey, they shouldn't be forced out of school.

What do you mean you're going to suspend them?

And the terms of the suspension vary from campus to campus.

At Columbia and its affiliated Bernard College for Women,

Alwan and dozens more were arrested on April 18th, barred from campus and classes, unable to attend in person or virtually, and banned from the dining halls.

Wow.

I mean, where are you going to eat?

I mean, it's practically a food desert there in Manhattan.

Questions about her academic future remain.

Will she be allowed to take final exams?

What about financial aid, graduation?

Columbia says the outcomes will be decided at disciplinary hearings.

And

she and her attorney said, this is very dystopian.

I mean, all we were calling for was chanting was death to the Jews.

And now we can't,

now they suddenly don't want us on campus.

That's weird, huh?

That's weird.

That is weird.

You would think we would tolerate death to Jews chance.

Wouldn't you?

At a major American university, you would, in fact, you'd welcome it, right?

Because

when we said never again, we didn't mean never again.

We meant until 2024.

That's what we did until now.

Yeah, yeah.

Right.

An attorney for the Palestinian Legal Fund, which is, gosh, I'd love to know who set this all up for them.

But they're helping groups all over college campuses.

And

they filed a

civil suit,

a civil rights case

against the school, accusing Columbia of not doing enough to really address the discrimination against the Palestinian students.

Yeah.

They're the victims.

They're the victims.

Amen.

Yeah.

And the level of punishment, according to the attorney, is not even just draconian.

Okay.

It's like over the, I love attorneys that say, it's like, it's like over-the-top callousness.

Is that worse than draconian?

Because it seems like draconian is worse than that.

Yeah.

I mean,

callousness.

Think about what the word callousness means.

Like you have callouses on your hand.

Right.

Well, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's that pad.

So it's the wow.

That's bad.

Pad.

Yeah.

It's it's not

good.

No, that's not.

Draconian.

What is

that?

just conjures up.

I don't know.

It's about Dracula.

Dracula's not even real.

Calluses are real.

That's true.

Yeah.

And the only real Dracula is Count Chocula, which he produces incredibly delicious cereal.

No, seriously.

Right.

Which is not a bad thing.

Not a bad thing at all.

So draconian is a positive word.

It means chocolate.

Well,

thank you.

Definition chocolatey.

Sound and chocolatey.

Right.

Right.

Palestinian legal filed the complaint Thursday at the U.S.

Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights.

Oh, it's going to be fixed there.

The four pro-Palestinian students and the student group of Columbia Students for Justice in Palestine are the real victims.

The group calls for an investigation into the university's handling of alleged discrimination and harassment against pro-Palestinian students by Columbia students.

As a Palestinian student, I've been harassed, doxed, shouted down, and discriminated against by my fellow students and professors simply because of my identity and my commitment to advocating for my own rights and freedoms.

And, of course, taking over the campus illegally and pitching a tent there and then just causing mayhem on

campus and chanting death to the Jews.

But other than that, they're just wanting their own civil rights.

They've done nothing wrong.

Nothing wrong.

That's wonderful.

Can we hit on this doxing thing that they keep complaining about?

Like this big complaint that all these protests are upset because people are coming.

They're taking pictures of them.

They're on video.

And the doxing they're talking about is potentially leaking the fact that they were at these protests where, you know, the Jews were being threatened.

That might be leaked to future employers.

And that is, of course, very, very wrong.

This, by the way, coming from this same group of people

that after the Charlottesville rally, went through every frame of video to try to identify every person who was there.

and i will remind you uh the story of cole white

cole white a guy who went to the charlottesville protests and then was tracked across the country and eventually

pressured his employer to for him to be fired.

Just the hot dog guy?

He worked at a hot dog stand.

They got a man fired from a hot dog stand because he went to, I don't know if the hot dogs were racist or not.

I'm not 100% sure on that.

But now these people who are going to go get jobs as lawyers and doctors and all these other things, they are worried about them not being able to get employment after they freaking got a guy fired from a hot dog stand.

I have no CPP whatsoever.

I mean, you know,

it is a double whammy with him.

He not only was a Nazi, but his last name also was white.

Oh, yeah.

And, you know, that's always a problem.

Too much, too much, too much.

This is the best of the Glenbeck program.

Andy McCarthy, a National Review contributing editor, the Institute's senior fellow, and a former chief assistant U.S.

Attorney General.

We won't hold this against him.

He was a former U.S.

Attorney

in the District of Manhattan.

So let's leave that alone.

Andy, how are you?

Good, I'm doing great.

How are you?

Very, very good.

So let's start with the big story, I think, and that is the Supreme Court and what they were arguing last week.

Can you give me

your honest take on

what this is really about for the future beyond Donald Trump and how you think this is going to affect what is happening with Donald Trump?

Glenn, I think it's important that you frame the question.

that way because it seemed to me, and I reread the transcript over the weekend after listening to the oral argument the court is a lot more concerned about the presidency than about trump sure should be and yeah and and it's it's an important point to make because a lot of the coverage has been this hysteria over whether you know the trump-packed supreme court is in the tank for him and they're going to get rid of uh jack smith's prosecution i don't think that's going to happen at all it's possible that Smith won't get his case to trial, depending on what the court does.

What I think the court's going to do is send the case back to Judge Chutkin, who is the trial judge in Washington, with instructions to sort out what things in the indictment against Trump are what you would call official acts that might arguably be immune from prosecution because they go to the core responsibilities of the presidency, and what are private acts or private wrongs that he would not have immunity for, even though they happened during his presidency.

But the upshot of the questioning of the lawyers, including Trump's lawyer, and this is particularly by Justice Barrett and Justice Kagan,

Trump's lawyer admitted that there's a lot of conduct charged in the indictment that is private conduct, that really wouldn't be covered by an immunity claim, even though Trump's been saying a lot of stuff about absolute, complete immunity.

And I think the concessions he made in the argument, that is John Sauer, Trump's lawyer, would be enough if Smith was willing to tailor his indictment down to the things that Sauer conceded, they could go ahead with a trial on just those acts.

He'd lose a lot of evidence, but he probably should.

So,

what are some of the acts that that could fall under, you know, private, and so you could prosecute?

And

what are the acts that are the president and you don't prosecute?

Yeah, so the one bright line we can take away from this is that

there seems to be a consensus that there is a

a divide between

office seeking and the carrying out of the duties of an office.

So if something is purely in the nature of trying to get reelected, that's deemed to be private because it's not part of the duties of the presidency.

It would be the same for anyone who was seeking office, whether that person was an incumbent or not.

And then there are other things that are clearly presidential.

So just to give some solid examples that came out of the argument, Trump's lawyer conceded that if Trump made a private scheme with private lawyers to get slates of electors

designated for him and to supply documents to

the Congress suggesting that they were the authentic actual slate of electors designated by a state, that would be private conduct because

it's purely office seeking and he carried it out only with private lawyers.

On the other hand, there's an allegation in the indictment that Trump tried to use the Justice Department to signal to states that there were serious concerns about fraud and considered both removing the Attorney General when he got pushback.

and considered sending a letter that they never sent from the Justice Department to the state of Georgia to tell them that they needed to

do more scrutiny over what happened in the popular election.

Trump argues very strongly, and I think the court will probably go along with this, that that is the president's control over the Justice Department is purely a presidential act that should have no part in a criminal prosecution.

So, those are the kinds of things that the court is talking about sorting out.

But, Andy, didn't when Trump sat another group group of electors or tried to,

that's what

the friends of Dershowitz did, I don't remember all of the attorneys, in the 2000 election.

That's what they were recommending to be done.

You have to do that or you have no case.

Yeah.

Let me just be clear, Glenn.

They're not saying that Trump wouldn't have a defense at trial.

What we're talking about now is

purely immunity.

That is, could he prevent the trial from happening in the first place?

I think that there's significant defenses to the fraudulent electors claim, beginning with the fact that the electors themselves didn't think they were fraudulent.

They thought they were contingent.

They thought that basically

they were sitting in as the slate of electors in the event that Trump prevailed either in the state courts or with the state legislature to throw out the popular election, then that would activate.

But they weren't trying to fool anyone into saying that they were the actual electors that had been certified by the states.

Can he get a fair trial on that?

If indeed he has to go to court?

Well, I think it's tough for him to get a fair trial in Washington.

Why can't someone make the case here?

Why can't his people make the case that you can't get a fair trial with the jury pool in New York or in Washington, D.C.

I think Trump's problem is he's too famous

in some ways.

I mean, the problem is that unlike almost any other defendant, he goes into, you know, one of the things that they can always say about him is he's the most famous guy in the world, and no matter where you had the case, you would have the same pretrial publicity problems.

And they kind of reject out of hand the thought that because a jurisdiction jurisdiction votes substantially against Trump as a political matter, that that means they can't be fair to him as a legal matter.

You know,

you can debate that all you want about whether that's a sensible distinction to draw or not, but it is the distinction the courts draw.

Okay, so what do you think is coming down the pike on this?

Based on this.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I think that they will send the case back to Judge Chutkin

with instructions to go through the indictment and figure out

what's a public act and what's a private act.

If Smith wants to fight on that,

then he's never going to get to trial prior to Election Day, which of course is his big aim, because this would still be a live immunity claim, and immunity is one of the few things that you can actually appeal pretrial.

So I don't see how he would get to trial.

But I do think Smith, if he wants to, and if it's that important to him to get to trial quickly, he could say, you know what, I'm going to dispense with all of the acts that you say are

immunized official presidential acts, and we'll just go on the trial go to trial on the private stuff.

It would be a weaker case for him, but it wouldn't be an unwinnable case.

And what is the punishment?

Well,

that's an interesting question because that may depend on another Supreme Court case this term, the one that they argued a week before on the obstruction statute that's key to Trump's case.

That obstruction statute has a twentyyear penalty, and it's the two main counts in the indictment against Trump.

The other two counts only have, I think, five-year penalties.

So if the Supreme Court says that it rejects the way the Justice Department has been using the obstruction statute, which it might,

then that would require probably a big overhaul of Smith's case because those charges are very important to him.

But if the court upholds that statute, which it also might, then you're looking at a potential of 40 years imprisonment.

Now, he won't get 40 years, but statutorily there would be availability of 40 years imprisonment on those charges, and I think 10 on the other two.

The other two are fraud on the United States and the civil rights charge.

So he'd be looking at, you know, statutorily 50 years imprisonment,

which would indicate under the sentencing guidelines that he would get, I would think, you know, four, five, six years

of a sentence if he gets convicted on those charges.

Unbelievable.

You know,

last week, the Biden administration was making the case, well, Donald Trump's the only one that's ever broken the law.

That's why we've never had this before.

That's such crap, and we all know it.

Why haven't we had this problem before?

I think a lot of the criminal,

the potentially prosecutable criminal conduct has come up

late in presidential terms.

Like, for example, with Clinton, the pardon scandal happened as he was going out the door.

And I was in the Justice Department at the time.

There was over a year of pretty intense debate within the Justice Department about whether he ought to be charged with bribery or not in connection with those pardons.

But I think there's a, there's always been, maybe this has changed now, but there's always been a current of like when a new administration comes in, particularly if it's a new administration of a different party, they don't want to revisit what happened with the last guy.

They want to just go ahead on their own stuff.

You know, this whole idea of, you know, we're looking forward, we're not looking back.

And I think that that certainly had a lot to do with why the Bush Justice Department didn't prosecute Clinton.

And I think with Obama, there was a lot of rhetoric during the 2008 campaign about war crimes against Bush and all that stuff.

But when they got into power, they not only weren't interested in prosecuting anyone on war crimes, I mean, they reopened the CIA investigation, but then they closed it, but they actually ended up adopting a lot of Bush-Cheney counterterrorism.

So, you know, I think there's a lot of rhetorical campaign stuff about how, you know, lock her up and we're going to put these guys in jail.

But it doesn't come to pass.

I actually think Trump is serious about it this time because he sees what they've done to him.

And that's why I thought it was amusing in the Supreme Court argument for the government lawyers to get up and say, you know, you don't have to worry about this.

This is just sui generis with Trump.

It'll never happen again.

And in the meantime, Trump is ahead in the polls and he's running as the retribution candidate.

He's promising if he gets in, he's going to do this stuff, right?

So, it's

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Selena Zito, welcome to the program.

How are you?

Good morning, Sunshine.

How are you?

I'm good.

So,

you were out on the road with Joe Biden and Donald Trump, and things couldn't be more different for the two.

But you were in Pennsylvania, and the week that Donald Trump came into, I think it was a Chick-fil-A,

he just said, Chick-fil-A on me for everybody.

And it was a really cool gesture.

Then a few days later, Joe Biden did something.

And take us through what he did, not only there at the restaurant, but the next day.

So, Joso, Trump was actually in Atlanta when he went to Atlanta.

However, the next day he was in Pennsylvania in the Lehigh Valley.

Now, I just want to explain why Lehigh Valley is important.

It is a working-class area.

It's a swing district.

It's also a heavily Hispanic district.

And we've noticed how Hispanics have moved to become more conservative.

Anyways, to the point, there were 42,000 people there.

42,000.

That's a lot of people in the Lehigh Valley for a Republican.

I think that's important to note.

And it's in the middle of what I call the middle of somewhere, but where most people call the middle of nowhere.

And that is also important because there is an intuition, whether you like Trump or not, there's been a very good intuition is to show up in places that people don't expect you to.

And earning votes.

Now let's contrast that to what Biden did.

He went to very three, very specific, safe areas where he knows he's going to win the vote.

There is not going to be a rally.

These are elected people and sort of

party people that come to all of these events.

In Scranton and Philadelphia, in Pittsburgh, it was union leaders.

Now, remember, that's very different than rank and file.

And so these events were very orchestrated,

very minimally attended.

And what was really fascinating to me was that he had a message about something and and and Wall Street people.

I don't know.

I mean, that's one of the people.

I don't even know.

Like I looked at, I watched his message.

I'm like,

I don't know why.

Did nobody tell you that people are not upset about Wall Street people, but they're really, really upset about inflation?

And then he goes to Pittsburgh, and I saw the most extraordinary thing.

There were two sets of protesters outside, a robust level of protesters.

On one side were like independent and Republican voters saying, hey, hey, ho, ho, Bidenomics has to go.

They were singing at the same time with pro-Hamas people, not together, but they were using the chant at the same time who were saying, hey, hey, ho, ho, Genocide Joe has got to go.

My brain was scrambled by that.

And so, but

Biden made the safe bet.

He went to the places where he thinks he he needs to bring his base back.

Trump went to places where he needs to earn new voters.

And that's the difference between the two of them in Pennsylvania.

And I think in a state that's

registration, Democratic registration has dropped dramatically from 2020, where it was 600,000 advantage over Republicans, Democrats, to now 389,000 Republican

Democrats.

Democrats still have the advantage, but they lost a whole heck of a lot of people.

Holy cow, that's a lot of people to lose.

So

go ahead.

Well, I think what's important, Glenn, to pay attention to, people are looking for this big moment, right?

In particular, politicians and strategists.

This big moment that's going to change everything.

I believe, as the way that it is going, it is tiny little cuts that are hurting Biden.

It is the closing.

Oh my God, it was so heartbreaking watching that Wearton, West Virginia steel plant that has been around for 120 years close down on Friday.

And you say, oh, West Virginia, who cares?

Well, guess what?

People from Ohio, that's at the panhandle.

People from Ohio and Pennsylvania work there.

And it was closed down because of a care, because the Biden administration

refused.

I'm going to,

I might mix this up with another tear problem.

But, anyways,

it didn't give American Steel

an even playing field.

So they had to close.

And so it's that kind of tiny little cut.

It is the pausing of the liquid natural gas, which doesn't just impact people in the industry or even people that are downstream of it, like barbershops and machine shops and hotels and so forth.

It also impacts farmers.

Why?

People don't think about this.

But farmers are profoundly impacted by the liquid natural gas being

paused because they have leases on their land, oftentimes with

with natural gas

facilities

on their extractions on their land.

Oftentimes, these leases are what keep these farms going.

So I think it's really important.

And then there's 45B.

It is the

IRS tax code only

implemented in Pennsylvania or impacting Pennsylvania that is going to keep us from getting that big hydrogen plant that he came to the state, that Biden came to the state to brag about, losing billions of dollars and thousands of jobs.

So these are the tiny, and then sheets.

I mean, why do you go after sheets?

People don't know who

Sheets is.

That is

a belt of gas stations, kind of like Bucky's is in the South.

It's beloved.

It's just good service, et cetera, et cetera.

And this is where he bought the sandwiches for the workers.

On a Friday, he goes, no, on a Thursday, he goes in and buys a bunch of sandwiches.

It's clear he's never been in a Sheets or a gas station.

And he, the next day, the administration chooses Sheets.

Forget this,

enforcing criminal background checks on all of their employees.

Why?

Because they said it's racist.

Which, by the way, I think if I were a minority, I'd be highly insulted that you think

no minority can pass a criminal background check.

It's just insulting.

Not only did he pull that out as a race card, he has now retracted his war on menthol cigarettes because he is afraid that's going to hurt his black base because I guess all black people smoke are menthol cigarettes.

And so, you know, I'll kill you, you know, over time, but

I just need your vote this time around.

It's just astounding.

So what does your gut tell you?

And I know we're a long way away, but they seem so confident, so confident.

What does your gut tell you that is coming?

Because I cannot believe that still there's

42% of the country that says, yeah, I'm for Joe Biden.

Well, you know, there are people that will always vote Democrat.

They just will.

I think they were called yellow dog Democrats in the South.

Blue Dog?

No, Yellow Dog Democrats in the South.

and

that's their preference it always will be

and then there are others who just cannot abide Trump's comportment however you are seeing people that are that that have left him in 2020 and post-2021 that are coming back because they

People decide on their lives and their livelihoods and their communities.

Those are the things that impact them.

They look at their pocketbook, they look around at their lives,

and I feel as though I am reliving 2016 all over again.

2020 did not feel this way.

I don't know if you remember having me on, I was hesitant to say that Trump would win, and much of that had to do with COVID and

how

and

all the things that surrounded COVID.

There were millions of things that impacted it.

And also that September 29th

debate wasn't his best moment.

And a lot of people had voted right after that, early voting.

So I think that

2024 is much more similar to 2016.

It feels very much

that is something that is Trump's to lose.

What remains to be his most important asset is his understanding that he needs to earn votes.

Okay.

do you remember years ago Billy Joel had that song, Allentown, right?

And everyone across the country sang the song with earnest and heart, not because they loved Allentown, but because they saw their city in that song.

They saw themselves reflected, that loss of community and jobs.

Trump intuitively understands that while he is in Harlem campaigning or at a construction site campaigning, he isn't just campaigning in those places.

He is campaigning with the backdrop of a reflection of what a thousand different cities look like across the country.

And he intuitively understands that.

And it's interesting to me that he makes those kind of choices and Biden makes the choices that he has that doesn't earn him new votes.

He is quite brilliant at sensing the pulse

and knowing it.

And I'm so glad because I really, I think your opinion matters so much because you don't, you're not hanging out with experts.

You're hanging out with people in the rural areas.

And so you just have a better sense.

And I'm so glad to hear that you say this is feeling more like 2016 than 2020.

So, Selena, everybody is concerned about...

The theft of an election, and the best thing we can do is shore that up.

So whoever wins, we know we can trust the election.

How are you doing in Pennsylvania on this?

Pretty well.

Shapiro, Governor Joe Shapiro, Democrat.

They've done a good job of clearing out the voter rolls, meaning the dead people.

And also it's done on a county by county

effort.

This is a general mix of Democrat,

county executives, and Republicans and or like a three-person commissioner

and and they've all done

a fairly nonpartisan good job Republicans by the way this is really kind of funny so in October Governor Shapiro made it easier to change your voter registration or to register to vote by doing it with when you get your new driver's license or you get you know you renew your driver's license and I thought it was pretty pretty funny that Republicans some some Republicans like flipped out and said this is gonna get more Democrats well

there are 55,000 new Republicans within the first month of of

that law being enacted so I think right now it is while the Democrats still hold a majority in the state Republicans have been doing a robust effort not just on a grassroots level you see them everywhere, but you also

have seen that on their own.

They're doing it on their own.

They go to change the driver's license picture and they're like, oh, I can change my voter registration or

I can

register to vote if they're a young person.

So for once in a blue moon, the Republicans have actually done a good job of taking advantage of all the technology, but also the enthusiasm that is on their back.

If you had to,

and I wouldn't hold you to this because it's so far away, but if it were being held today,

how would it end?

In Pennsylvania, right now,

I mean, it's super close.

It's going to be super close.

However, I would at this moment give the edge to Trump

because of the small cuts.

The tiny little cuts that I've been talking about, the LNG pause, the 45V, the closing of

the steel mill,

the sheets, these tiny little things that, and inflation.

Inflation is the biggest thing in this state.

Costs are soaring

and they haven't stopped.

And they're insulted when everyone tells you the economy is fine.

Look, it's not 2008.

2008, the issue was jobs.

We have jobs.

It's not the job.

Some people are working a lot of jobs because because they can't afford the basic cost.

Selena, thank you so much.

We'll talk again.

God bless.

Selena Zito, you can find her at SelenaZito.com, SelenaZito.com.

She is, I mean, she really has her finger on the pulse, especially in Pennsylvania where she is from and spends a lot of her time.

But she's listening to people.

And that's the one thing that I feel like our government doesn't do anymore.

They don't listen to people.

You know, we used to say, I don't want a president that is, you know, going by the polls.

I don't know, it would be nice once in a while if he would just open up the windows of the White House to hear the chants all around the White House and the protesters, you know, because they don't seem to be listening to us.

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