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Speaker 2 Mike Rowe is on the show today with a lot to say about piles of dead bodies and piles of crap.

Speaker 2 You'll understand when you get there. Also, we talk to the governor of Alaska, who has more,

Speaker 2 what did he call them, restrictions or sanctions on him from this administration than

Speaker 2 this administration has put on Iran.

Speaker 2 And he tells a story of Alaska pretty much disappearing. You

Speaker 2 don't want to miss that. And we talked to Dr.
Kat Lindley. She is an expert on what the WHO is doing.

Speaker 2 We're running out of time to make sure that the WHO does not usurp our sovereignty with these new treaties.

Speaker 2 They're definitely not calling it a treaty because then it would have to be voted on in the Senate.

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Speaker 3 Dr. Kat

Speaker 2 Lindley. She is a family physician and a global health project co-founder and president, and she is the director of globalcovidsummit.org.

Speaker 2 Doctor, welcome to the program.

Speaker 5 Thank you for having me today.

Speaker 2 You bet.

Speaker 2 So tell people, most people don't know anything about this. What is the WHO doing?

Speaker 5 So exactly, as you said, they came together in twenty one and decided that we need better protection from future pandemics because that's what they feel that we

Speaker 5 going to have this perpetual state of

Speaker 5 emergent pathogens and new pandemics. What they're trying to do is negotiate at the same time two documents.

Speaker 5 One is the treaty that they are calling a agreement currently because they're trying a way to get away from calling it a treaty since treaties have to be ratified in our Senate.

Speaker 5 So this is is one document. The other one is amendments to international health regulation.

Speaker 5 They really need to be looked at together because exactly as it says, if they are passed in May of this year by the World Health Assembly in Geneva, it will give powers to Director General in an event of public health emergency to decide that the area needs to be closed, the borders can be closed.

Speaker 5 They can issue quarantine, isolation. They can dictate to the member states what type of therapeutics we use, diagnostics, vaccines.

Speaker 5 There is a huge push for more censorship of voices that don't feel the same as the World Health Organization. There is this war on infodemics.

Speaker 5 There is going to be a sharing of intellectual properties, more push for EUAs. to approve new products.

Speaker 5 And all in all, when you really look at the documents and read both of them, you really understand that this is an attack on the U.S.

Speaker 5 Constitution, specifically First Amendment, Fourth, Tenth, and Fourteenth Amendments.

Speaker 2 Okay, good, but only those. Only those.
That's good.

Speaker 2 People will say, oh, this is a conspiracy. They're not trying to take away.

Speaker 3 They're just trying to help.

Speaker 2 They're just trying to help.

Speaker 5 Well, yes, that's actually the big push that

Speaker 5 Director General Tedros always says. For the future generations, we must pass this pandemic agreement because we need to protect them.
And if we don't, we are failing at our jobs.

Speaker 5 In reality, you have to see that the World Health Organization is trying to position themselves to become this global health authority.

Speaker 5 There is also something in the Article 5 of the pandemic agreement called One Health. And One Health essentially says that the lives of humans are not more important than

Speaker 5 animal plants, and everything is intertwined with the climate change.

Speaker 5 So with this One Health agenda, the World Health Organization would essentially have

Speaker 3 power over

Speaker 5 the full aspect of life on Earth.

Speaker 2 That's fantastic.

Speaker 2 Is the World Health Organization still in bed with the Chinese, or is that something that

Speaker 2 can change from time to time just based on the, I don't know, the appointments of the people? Or is this still an arm of the Chinese?

Speaker 5 Very much so. TENROS was actually a position with the support from China and specifically United Nations.
As you are well aware,

Speaker 5 World Health Organization is subsidiary of United Nations.

Speaker 5 And there is actually it's interesting to watch both of these organizations at the same time because UN is pushing for global governance and they are pushing for this CBDC, the central bank digital currency.

Speaker 5 If you combine that with the World Health Organization push for vaccine digital passport that they have adopted from European Union, you can really see this

Speaker 5 possibility of reaching social credit score system that they already have in China. These are not conspiracy theories.
You just have to read their documents. So they lay it all there.

Speaker 2 Are you getting any attention at all from the mainstream media?

Speaker 5 No, mainstream media really likes this pandemic agreement. Luckily, we are getting some support from legislators on federal level and specifically on state level.
I feel that

Speaker 5 I listen to you all the time, so I know you're well aware of our

Speaker 5 political landscape.

Speaker 5 On federal level, we will have a difficult time because the Biden administration is the one pushing for most of these amendments.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 5 And they are very much in favor of the pandemic agreement. But on state level, we can actually protect ourselves because of the 10th Amendment.

Speaker 5 And in New Hampshire, I testified in February on a bill HB 1156.

Speaker 5 that would not allow any jurisdiction to the World Health Organization on state level, on

Speaker 5 county levels, and things like that. So they are going for a full vote on the floor this Thursday.
And we need all hands on deck.

Speaker 5 We need everyone in New Hampshire to call their representatives because it made it out of the committee split, right?

Speaker 5 Democrats were against this bill, and Republicans obviously understand the dangers. So we need people to call their representatives and push for this bill to be passed.

Speaker 2 And that is in New Hampshire. And when is that

Speaker 3 decision that votes?

Speaker 5 Thursday. And bill is HB 1156.

Speaker 2 1156. Okay.

Speaker 2 We'll put some notices out. If you're in New Hampshire, please call.
This happens Thursday. And

Speaker 2 the 10th Amendment is the amendment that says anything that's not enumerated in the Constitution as a federal power, all of that goes back first to the people or first to the states and the people.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 if it's not spelled out in the Constitution, then

Speaker 2 they have no jurisdiction. The state can

Speaker 2 make the rules on that. And so you're trying to use the 10th Amendment saying that there's nothing in the Constitution that says what exactly.

Speaker 2 What are they claiming is their power?

Speaker 5 The health care, the police power when it comes to health care of the citizen of the state, go to the federal, I mean to the state level. Federal

Speaker 5 level has no jurisdiction over the health care of the citizen. So this is why it's important to actually push for this, to protect the states,

Speaker 5 so that the World Health Organization, if they decide we need future lockdowns, new vaccines, quarantine, and things like that, the state agencies do not have to comply and they should not comply.

Speaker 2 How different would COVID have been if this were in play?

Speaker 5 Not only that, how different the COVID would have been if the physicians were allowed to do what we know best to do. Correct.

Speaker 5 You know, early treatment, us really coming in first line and taking care of the people and then speaking with our agencies and our agencies listening to us.

Speaker 5 I would say the only good thing that happened during the COVID era is that we realized that our government, I know you know this, but most people didn't realize that our government is not really working for us and that there are too many strings attached with many of these agencies.

Speaker 5 You know, someone like me, I understand what has happened because I looked at it through global eyes. You know, build back better.

Speaker 5 When have you had these heads of state in every country say exactly the same words, build back better.

Speaker 3 You had me in the low. Nonsense.
Yes.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 5 people need to realize that this truly is an attack on national sovereignties of all the countries.

Speaker 5 I was in Croatia in December testifying in their parliament, and that's exactly what I said.

Speaker 5 Croatians need to remember who they are, love their country, and take back their power. The same thing with Americans.

Speaker 5 This is a country that understands freedom, that understands this is the most important thing we have in the world, and we need to take back our power.

Speaker 7 Simple as that.

Speaker 2 How concerned are you, just as

Speaker 2 an individual that grew up under communism, left Yugoslavia, I think when you were about 18,

Speaker 2 and got to Italy and then to America to go to school.

Speaker 2 How concerned are you with what you're seeing in just America itself?

Speaker 5 You know, I I am a true example of what American dream is. And I have five children.
I do fear for their future.

Speaker 5 I fear, you know, with everything that's happening, the transgender policies, we're trying to confuse our children and who they are so that they are easily controlled.

Speaker 5 You know, I hate this bipartisan divide because we all should value what America stands for.

Speaker 5 If you lose this country, if we lose the freedom, you know, America is a beacon of hope for so many people like myself. And

Speaker 5 everyone, when I speak with people around the world, everyone says, eyes are on the United States. You know, you guys, get your act together, do something.

Speaker 5 We're letting it slip through our fingers. And

Speaker 5 I'm a realist, and I have to tell you, I'm afraid. I am really afraid.
We need a complete change of leadership in November. Every person needs to go and vote.
They need to become poll

Speaker 5 watchers.

Speaker 5 They need to do whatever they can to make sure that we have fair elections, that our voices are counted, and that whoever is in leadership next understands that this country is such a unique place in the world, and there is no place like this.

Speaker 2 Dr. Kat Lindley, thank you.
We'll talk again. The thing that you can do right now is educate yourself.
Go to globalcovidsummit.org. Globalcovidsummit.org.

Speaker 2 If you live in New Hampshire, there is a vote on Bill 1156 on Thursday.

Speaker 2 It must pass and stop

Speaker 2 the federal government from giving the state sovereignty away.

Speaker 2 Your doctors will not be able to speak out. Your doctors will be silenced.

Speaker 2 And we will be controlled by the World Health Organization. Something really run by China and the United Nations.
I don't know. I'm not really for it.

Speaker 2 Wake up, America. Doctor, thank you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 2 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Speaker 2 Friend of the program, Mr. Mike Rowe.

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Speaker 3 I have that. I think you wore it last time I was here, and I thought, what are the odds that we'd show up looking like those Bobsy twins? But you know, know Bayard, he's a friend of mine.
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Yep. And it's all about what it really takes to make this shirt.

Speaker 2 Shockingly difficult.

Speaker 3 It is amazing, brother. I mean, I know you know that.
You gave me a shirt. 10, 11 years ago when you were doing, what was it?

Speaker 2 1791.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I still have it. It was like a canvas workshop.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 And ever since then, man, I've been obsessed with trying to better understand the drama and the trauma of getting textile manufacturing back in this country. It's mind-boggling.

Speaker 2 If companies like Levi's would do 5%

Speaker 2 of

Speaker 2 their manufacturing here in America, America would change. Yep.
It would change. For sure.
No interest in it at all.

Speaker 3 I mean, when you really start to peel back the layers, and this is, I don't know if this is on your agenda of stuff to talk about, but it is,

Speaker 3 I just did a whole thing on the toothpick. Like the business, we used to be the toothpick capital of the world.

Speaker 2 We're very proud of it.

Speaker 3 It was a giant industry up in Maine, you know, white birch. I mean, there's the book on it is amazing.

Speaker 3 And when you slowly see the way that we basically gave up on toothpicks, you can start to understand the way we gave up on textiles.

Speaker 3 And then you start asking questions like, well, what hope does Detroit really have? Like if we can't get the splinter right, if we can't get a shirt right, right? So there are no small things.

Speaker 3 Anyway, what American Giants doing, I think is, I think it matters because

Speaker 3 they're 13 years at it now, right? So that's, you know, good for you for having them on it.

Speaker 2 I love them. I love them.

Speaker 2 So, Mike, let's just talk about the state of the world because we are being boxed.

Speaker 2 If you're a small business guy, you have under 20 employees, you now have a Transparency Act where you'll spend two years in jail if you don't tell the federal government, the Treasury Crimes Division,

Speaker 2 everything that they want to know.

Speaker 2 I don't know how much that's going to cost the small businessman

Speaker 2 in just time alone.

Speaker 2 Plus, you have the PRO Act, which has now just been done through the Department of Labor. We don't vote on anything anymore.
It's just a new guidelines. Guidelines.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes. New guidelines.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 what is that going to do to, when we think gig economy, we think, you know, Uber drivers, et cetera. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Truckers alone.

Speaker 4 Will we have groceries at our stores?

Speaker 3 50,000 in California alone. 50,000.
I had a guy on my podcast called Tom Odom, who's one of these truckers, and he's been written about in the press. And I was just so interested in his story.

Speaker 3 In fact, i interviewed him while he was in his truck driving across the fruited plain you know and he just pulled over and we had this amazing conversation but people

Speaker 3 i i like to talk about it in terms of unintended consequences but i realize now that I might be giving too much credit.

Speaker 2 Way too much credit.

Speaker 3 Right. But look, I'm trying to stay in whatever lane is left to me.
But when I first saw it, he'll be taking that lane away from you soon. It's getting narrow.

Speaker 3 It's getting narrow

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 3 when i first saw this thing rear its ugly head it was uh

Speaker 3 it to your point uh aimed toward the gig economy in silicon valley mostly uber and lyft and then it just grew and grew and grew graphic artists writers cinematographers dancers

Speaker 3 so many people and i'm like how many are actually going to be impacted and then the question was how many people are actually freelancing right now?

Speaker 3 And the answer is north of 70 million in the whole country.

Speaker 3 And so what the drafters of AB5 asked us to believe initially was that huge numbers of workers were being shamelessly victimized by greedy and rapacious capitalists who should have hired them as employees and therefore

Speaker 3 opened the door to benefits and so forth. Now, did that ever happen? Yeah, I suspect.
It's a big country and there's exceptions exceptions to every rule.

Speaker 3 But the number of people who were adversely affected prior to this versus the number of people who have now lost the freedom to work the way they want is mind-boggling.

Speaker 3 And it happened in California, of course. And to your point, it's happened and is happening right now.
And when people realize what this means, you know, you want to set your own schedule? Forget it.

Speaker 3 You want to eat what you kill? Forget it.

Speaker 3 We don't want to think that way anymore because

Speaker 3 that person might fail. And if that person fails, well, then the narrative goes we just can't tolerate that.

Speaker 2 I'm sure you've been to Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle. I was just over there for the first time, and the new king was in the castle,

Speaker 2 and he's got this whole wing by himself, and he lands his giant helicopter right there in his backyard. And I've never been, like, I've

Speaker 2 been to, you know, the American castles and I've never had a problem with it, never.

Speaker 2 I walked through that castle and it pissed me off the entire time because I thought, there is no one in this country that could ever build this except the one who's cornered the market. Right.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 there's no opportunity, none. to actually become something because the government has you so pigeonholed and people just accept it.
And I don't want to be like that.

Speaker 2 I don't want to live in that kind of country.

Speaker 4 You know, if there's no risk, there's no reward.

Speaker 3 Well, there's the four-letter word, right? Risk. I guess risk and maybe debt are the only four-letter words right now that I think are truly for sale.

Speaker 3 You know, we have to have honest conversations about both of those things. The willingness to accept risk is the fundamental bedrock of freelancing.
Right.

Speaker 2 And not everybody is willing to take that risk. Some people just want a stable job.

Speaker 3 And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.
It's so similar.

Speaker 3 I think the reason this thing has become such an issue for me is because it translates perfectly into a four-year education versus a trade school.

Speaker 3 This idea that we have to put our thumb on the scale, this idea that one has to be elevated at the expense of the other is precisely what's informing the PRO Act. We're not saying

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 it's good to be an employee. We're saying it's so good that if you don't do that, then you're doomed.

Speaker 3 You are engaging in a level of behavior that's so risky, you're actually posing some sort of existential threat, not just to yourself, but to your family, to your neighbor, and so forth. So

Speaker 3 it's amazing how we can't simply put all the options on the table and let the grown-ups decide what fits best.

Speaker 2 I got to tell you, you say even in today's world, where universities are taking our children and molding them into the exact...

Speaker 2 Woodrow Wilson said, the job of a university is to make a man the most unlike his father as possible.

Speaker 3 That was his goal.

Speaker 2 And that's really kind of the goal now, I think,

Speaker 2 in many places.

Speaker 2 And so many people will say, because I've got two teenagers, are they going to go to college? No, probably not. One of them, maybe.
The other one, trade school, maybe. Don't know.
Don't know.

Speaker 2 It's going to be up to them. And what is the value of a big, expensive...

Speaker 2 $250,000 education if you're not going to use it?

Speaker 2 If you don't have something, if you're just like, wow, I think I'm going to do this. A, the world is changing so fast.
We don't know what jobs are going to be there.

Speaker 3 I worry that, like, I'm the product of a liberal arts education. I got one.
It served me well. I'm glad I got one.
Yeah. Did it lead directly to my chosen field? No, it did not.

Speaker 3 But it comes in handy every single day. And mine

Speaker 3 consists of two years at a community college and another another couple years at a university. And when I finished in 84, the whole thing cost $12,200, all of it.

Speaker 3 Today, same schools, same course loads, $92,000. Now, nothing in the history of this country has increased faster than the cost of a four-year degree.
Bitcoin.

Speaker 3 Bitcoin.

Speaker 2 Bitcoin.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 but then fallen and then back and then fine.

Speaker 3 Right?

Speaker 3 I mean, look, it's but, I mean, really, if you look at healthcare, if you look at real estate, if you look at food, and if you look at energy, the big four, those things have all been eclipsed by the cost of a four-year degree.

Speaker 3 But still, we can't help ourselves. Still, we've told this whole generation, if you don't get one, you're screwed, right?

Speaker 3 And that's criminal. It's a shame because my liberal arts education right now is on this thing.
All of it. We have all of it.
I've got access to 98% of the known information right now for free. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay. But still, still we charge.
charge. During lockdowns, Columbia raised their rates.
NYU raised their rates and we still paid it. Right.

Speaker 3 So look, it's easy to look at the Ivy League, especially now, and point to all sorts of embarrassments.

Speaker 3 But it's not even about that.

Speaker 3 It's just this bigger thing that's happening where a whole chunk of our workforce is tied to a whole chunk of our education system that

Speaker 3 that has become the proximate cause of derision

Speaker 2 i said to my uh son where did you learn that he said uh

Speaker 2 i can audit a course at mit

Speaker 3 online oh

Speaker 3 okay

Speaker 2 yeah i mean you you have the opportunity unlike any human has had and yet it's a bad thing

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Speaker 2 There is the hearing today on the guy who gave President Biden a pass

Speaker 2 saying, oh, you know what,

Speaker 2 he's just a

Speaker 2 kind old man who's just forgetful.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The transcript has actually been released and the transcript is a little shocking.

Speaker 2 I didn't think it was shocking at all.

Speaker 7 Actually, I've watched Joe Biden for multiple years and this is about how I think he is in private. Now, it's weird because the

Speaker 7 portrayal of Biden by the media and, of course, the Democrats is that when he's in public, he's a bumbling idiot, sure,

Speaker 7 but you don't see him like we do. When he's behind the scenes, he's always on top of everything.
In fact, it's so impressive. None of these 25, 30-year-old aides can even keep up with the guy.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's incredible. This is so stupid.

Speaker 7 And if you believe that, you literally will believe anything.

Speaker 3 Yes. Anything.

Speaker 7 But I thought some of the transcript was interesting.

Speaker 2 Can I give you some of this?

Speaker 7 This is from the people were talking about how he couldn't remember dates. And I think it's overblown after reading the transcript.
You make up your own mind. Here's Joe Biden.

Speaker 7 He said, this is from the New York Times.

Speaker 7 This is actually the part of the New York, of the transcript.

Speaker 3 The New York Times wanted you to know. Yeah, what did you know? Occurred.
Biden, quote, well,

Speaker 2 um,

Speaker 3 I,

Speaker 3 I,

Speaker 3 I,

Speaker 3 I,

Speaker 3 I

Speaker 7 don't know.

Speaker 7 This is,

Speaker 3 what,

Speaker 7 2017, 2018 in that area?

Speaker 7 He's uh, her answers, yes, sir. Remember, in this time frame, my son is

Speaker 7 either been deployed

Speaker 7 or is dying.

Speaker 2 Is 2017?

Speaker 7 2017, 2018, Glenn.

Speaker 2 When did he die?

Speaker 7 2015.

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 7 Whoops. So he's either deployed or dying in 2017 or 2018.

Speaker 7 And he says,

Speaker 7 he's either been deployed or dying. And so it was.

Speaker 7 And by the way, there were still a lot of people at the time when I got out of the Senate that were encouraging me to run in this period, except the president.

Speaker 7 Which is just sad that he has to admit this.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes.

Speaker 7 And I'm not, and that's not a mean thing to say. He just thought that she had a better chance of winning the presidency than I did.

Speaker 7 Says quite a bit. The most hated woman in all of politics.
She's a better bet.

Speaker 7 And so I hadn't,

Speaker 7 I hadn't, at this point, even though I'm at Penn, I hadn't walked away from the idea that I may run for office again. But if I ran again, I'd be running for president.
And, and so,

Speaker 7 what was happening, though?

Speaker 7 What month did Bo die? Oh, God,

Speaker 7 May 30.

Speaker 7 And then all of the lawyers step in at this point. White House lawyer, 2015.
2015.

Speaker 2 2015.

Speaker 7 Unidentified mail speaker. 2015.

Speaker 7 And he says, was it 2015 he had died?

Speaker 7 Unidentified mail speaker. It was May of 2015.

Speaker 3 Biden.

Speaker 7 It was 2015.

Speaker 7 Biden's personal lawyer. Or I'm not sure the month, sir.
I'm not sure. That was the year, though.
Another person's jumping in. That's right, Mr.
President. It was 2015.

Speaker 7 All these other people remember when his Biden's son died. And he said, and what happened in the meantime is that as,

Speaker 7 and Trump gets elected in November of 2017?

Speaker 3 Question mark?

Speaker 7 Unidentified male speaker. 2017.

Speaker 3 We have actually elections every four years.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he doesn't know.

Speaker 7 Always an even number. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Without question. He's only been in government his entire life, so how would he know that?

Speaker 7 Of course, that's just the Senate. 2016.

Speaker 7 2016. All right.
So why do I have 2017 here? That's when you left office January of 2017, says the White House Counsel.

Speaker 7 Yeah, okay, but that's when Trump gets sworn in, January. You see, he's just repeating what other people, after he's wrong, people correct him, and then he just repeats what they're saying.

Speaker 7 And every person has seen this with an old relative, right? Like when you're in a conversation with them, they don't know what the answer is. You tell them and then they kind of just repeat it.

Speaker 7 Like helps them kind of,

Speaker 7 I don't know, center themselves on what's going on.

Speaker 2 When you don't have somebody to give you something to repeat, this is what that relative sounds like. This is from yesterday cut one.

Speaker 8 Tremendous amount of things you can cut.

Speaker 8 Let me be precise.

Speaker 8 Tremendous amount of things you can do, not cut. He said, I will,

Speaker 8 but the bottom line is he's still at it.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Wow. So you got that going for you.
Now, this is the guy who is, according to the governor of Alaska, Mike Dunleavy,

Speaker 2 sanctioning Alaska more than he has sanctioned Iran.

Speaker 2 Governor Dunlavey, welcome to the program.

Speaker 6 Hey, Gwen, good morning.

Speaker 2 Hey, good morning. So I know it's really early for you.

Speaker 2 Thank you for being on the program. That's quite a statement to make.

Speaker 6 Well, it is, but if you look at the 55, 56 actions now, compared to the 19 actions that have been set against Iran in 200, starting in 2005, this is 55 actions since the Biden administration came into office against one of its own states, a resource-producing state like Alaska.

Speaker 6 And so it is serious, it is real,

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 many of us in Alaska view it as an economic war on Alaska.

Speaker 2 So 56 executive orders and actions targeting your state. Can you go through some of them?

Speaker 6 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 6 So, for example, in 2017, under the JOBS Act

Speaker 6 that was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Trump, now that required lease sales in Anwar, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the coastal plain area that was always up for oil production when it went.

Speaker 6 Those leases were sold, and then under the Biden administration, they unilaterally canceled them. That's a violation of law.

Speaker 6 That's huge because that has one of the last remaining large oil and gas fines, probably in North America. That was taken off the list.
Offshore oil leases in the Arctic, off the list.

Speaker 6 13 million acres in NPRA. Now, NPRA, National Petroleum Reserve, up in Alaska that was founded over 100 years ago under President Harding, its sole purpose was to provide oil for the nation.
It was a

Speaker 6 naval petroleum preserve at first. And so

Speaker 6 this is just a handful of

Speaker 6 incidents. of what we call sanctions against Alaska that make it difficult for us to produce oil,

Speaker 6 makes it difficult for us to mine, makes it difficult for us to even get into the Tongass National Forest for timber, the largest national forest in the United States.

Speaker 6 We really can't get into that forest to harvest future.

Speaker 2 This is one thing that I have not experienced, so I don't know if I understand it.

Speaker 2 They're no longer building roads or maintaining any of the roads. So you can't get in

Speaker 2 to haul lumber out. And then they've also banned you from taking out

Speaker 2 mature lumber. Is that right?

Speaker 3 Old growth. That's correct.
Old growth.

Speaker 6 And not only are they not building roads, they dismantled all of

Speaker 6 the mills that were in Southeast Alaska. And this happened

Speaker 6 under the Clinton administration. However, under President Trump, he began to restore it as an actual working force for timber, for mining, for recreation.

Speaker 6 And then when the Biden administration came in, they once again closed it down again.

Speaker 6 And so it's just been a series each year of different actions, different executive orders that are targeted against Alaska. And Glenn, here's the interesting thing.

Speaker 6 I don't think your listeners understand about Alaska.

Speaker 6 We were the only state required at statehood in 1959 in our statehood act, we were required to collectivize all the resources in Alaska under the government, under the state government.

Speaker 6 And the reason for that is those that were contemplating allowing Alaska to become a state felt it had too small of a population, about 150 to 200,000 people, to pay for itself through things like an income tax or a statewide sales tax.

Speaker 6 So they compelled us to collectivize those resources to develop those resources to pay for ourselves. And that's the cruel irony of this whole thing:

Speaker 6 we were allowed to come in as a state as long as we developed our resources. And now we're being told we can't develop our resources, which means our viability as a state is in question.

Speaker 2 I'm looking at the map

Speaker 2 of Alaska. And by the way, you know this.
Alaska is far more beautiful than anybody could ever describe. It is stunning.

Speaker 2 And it's also enormous.

Speaker 2 Flying over Alaska, you're like, when does this state ever end?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I'm looking at the map.

Speaker 2 You maybe have,

Speaker 2 maybe a third of Alaska is not protected now?

Speaker 2 Pretty much.

Speaker 6 Yes, that's correct. And as a matter of fact,

Speaker 6 you know, we had national parks before 1980, and in the waning days of Jimmy Carter, his gift to Alaska on the way out was to build even more monuments.

Speaker 6 and wilderness areas, taking millions and millions of acres off the table for Alaska's ability once again to develop some of those resources.

Speaker 6 And by the way, Glenn, we develop our resources, the little that we're allowed to, in probably the most responsible manner in the world. And

Speaker 6 what really befuddles many of us up here is the environmentalists obviously have their hooks in this administration, and they don't want to have any development in Alaska, but they're okay with it going overseas to places like Iran, to places like China, to places like Venezuela, where the environment is not protected, human rights are not protected, and as we know in the case of Iran, they're now producing 3.74 million barrels of oil per day.

Speaker 6 They're using some of that money to fund terrorism throughout the Middle East. So none of that makes any sense to us.

Speaker 2 So how is this impacting you as a state, your state funds, and the people who do business up in Alaska?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 great question. So what happens is

Speaker 6 there's a chill for investment in Alaska.

Speaker 6 In other words, outfits that would otherwise be investing in mining, oil, gas, timber, they go other places because the uncertainty caused by this administration and these actions, the level against Alaska, once again, 55, I think it's 56 now, just make it such an uncertain situation that investors don't want to come here.

Speaker 6 Our population right now is pretty much stagnant. We haven't grown in the

Speaker 6 last few years because of some of these actions.

Speaker 6 Many of our young people are actually leaving the state and going to the lower 48 where there's more opportunity. And so the impact on our coffers

Speaker 6 is going to be significant. Right now,

Speaker 6 we run about 490,000 barrels through our pipeline. We were able to get Willow, the Willow project, passed or allowed to be put into play.

Speaker 6 And so with that investment, we should get another 140,000 barrels here in the next several years.

Speaker 6 But nonetheless, what we're looking at the midterm, Glenn, and the long term, the prospects don't look very good for investors, don't look very good for opportunity in Alaska.

Speaker 6 And really what this appears to many Alaskans is an attempt to just turn Alaska into a big national park. and

Speaker 6 absolutely hamstring the viability of the state going forward. So it's an uncertain situation which causes a lack of investment and uncertainty.

Speaker 2 I have to tell you, if Congress doesn't take their power back and

Speaker 2 take the

Speaker 2 unconstitutional power

Speaker 2 away from the administrative offices,

Speaker 2 we're not free and we have no way to fight this. What are you doing to fight?

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 we've had a lawyer up, unfortunately. We've asked our legislature the past several years

Speaker 6 for millions of dollars in funds for what we call our statehood defense to fight against their own federal government in order to slow down what these agencies are doing, in order to try and reverse some of the things that these agencies are doing.

Speaker 6 And so we end up spending money, again, against our own federal agencies, our own federal government. And I mean, Glenn, you know that the federal government has unlimited resources.

Speaker 6 State like Alaska does, does not. And so we're fighting them.
We're trying to enlist the help of of other

Speaker 6 states. We've been talking with other

Speaker 6 congressmen and senators from other states explaining Alaska's situation. We're getting, I think, a good reception, especially from those on the Republican side.

Speaker 6 I also have to say senators like Joe Manchin from a resource state like West Virginia has been very sympathetic to the plight of Alaska. He understands it well.
So we're trying to build up.

Speaker 6 We're trying to build up a group of legislators, congressmen, senators, and other governors to understand what's going on with Alaska because once it happens here, and if they're able to be successful at snuffing out

Speaker 6 the future of Alaska in terms of a development state,

Speaker 6 there's no telling where they're going to stop.

Speaker 2 This is so concerning.

Speaker 2 How can we help, Mike?

Speaker 6 Well, this is, I mean, the form you're giving me right now is a great way to get this out to people. And people, people need to understand that, as you said, Gwen, Alaska is a very beautiful place.

Speaker 6 And because of that, we do take care of it. We have some of the strictest environmental regulations there is.
The state itself put them in. So we know how to develop our resources.

Speaker 6 But what the Biden administration is doing is just trying to kill off the whole enterprise. And so just letting people know, sharing the 55 actions that

Speaker 6 Dan Sullivan, our senator, had put together on that sheet is going to be helpful.

Speaker 6 And then we're going to be getting some congressmen and senators up here hopefully this summer so they can can see on the ground how well we take care of this state, but also see the

Speaker 6 impact of what the Biden administration is doing.

Speaker 2 So, Governor, let us know how we can help

Speaker 2 other than this. Keep us informed on this because, as you say, they pick on the one that nobody really is paying attention to.
And if they can do this to Alaska, they'll do it to a lot of our states.

Speaker 2 Thank you very much. From Alaska, Governor of Alaska, Governor Mike Dunleavey.

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