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Okay, I toured the Smithsonian a couple of months ago back in Washington, D.C.

And coming here and seeing this display gives you a totally different perspective of what American history was.

You get more of the true history here.

I did not know that Teddy Roosevelt had been shot.

I had no idea that he had ever been shot.

And so to see the letter with the bullet holes in it and everything, amazing.

I had no idea of that history.

I think it it was pretty cool being Native American from Chico, California, that they, George Washington, gave a medal to a Native American.

And like, I would have never thought that.

In fact, I hated America, didn't pledge I would stand, but never said it, never put my heart on my chest because I had believed that the government, which some, everybody, you know, people or people,

destroyed Indians, you know, and they did.

But at at the same time, there was Indians, like code talkers, you know,

that were there.

And, you know, as I learn more and more history, it's kind of cool to be like, all right,

there's some people who are fighting for

Native Americans, you know, black people, Chinese people, Japanese people, all the people that come to America to be an American and to live for freedom, fight for freedom.

So yeah, George Washington giving a medal to a Native American was awesome.

I think

I feel inspired, empowered really, you know, kind of a sense of needing to speak out and to stand for freedom and kind of figure out what my part is in all of this and

go do it, go to work,

go to battle really.

Like I said, we don't know if we're going to win or not or what the outcome is going to be, but it's...

It's our duty to do something, right?

Not to stand on the sidelines, but to

to be an active participant in our history and

what we're in our community.

It is really, truly amazing.

We're here in St.

George and we're doing the History Museum, taking it on road to make sure that your kids know the truth this Independence Day.

about American history.

Hopefully,

we are going to be

putting it on the road all across America.

We'd love to to know if you wanted it in your community.

But it is something that I think at this point in our history, we have to decide.

And I'm hearing this a lot.

People are saying something hit them, you know, and it's weird because it's a different section for everyone.

I think when people see the first draft of the Declaration of Independence and then the final draft, the stone copy of it from 1823,

we've had several people tear up at that.

The Black Founders section is remarkable.

Slavery is very, very powerful.

Abraham Lincoln, the Gettysburg Address, all of these things that you may never have seen before or didn't even know existed

are here.

And it is

a wonderful experience.

I'm going to be there all day today.

They don't let me in, but I'm going to sneak in.

Oh, I've got plans.

Oh, I have plans.

So I will be there today and invite you.

I think they sell some walk-up tickets.

They're letting more people in.

We have more capacity than we thought.

We wanted to make sure that it wasn't too crowded

and it's not.

So I don't know.

You might get here and you may have to wait an hour or something to get in, but it's filling it now to capacity, larger capacity than we thought we could hold.

You can get your tickets also on unitedwepledge.org.

You think you have enough stuff yet?

Now, let me rephrase that.

Are you still married?

Is your wife?

How many?

Tanya is here, and she's been walking around in the museum, and some people recognize her, and they are all like, don't hate him.

Don't hate him.

I would if I were you, but don't hate him.

Yeah.

What do you mean you would?

I mean,

first of all, there's a hundred reasons why they would, but I think the main one they're they're talking about there is the purchase of all these historical documents and items, which are great if you are going to a museum.

Like if you happen to be going to the museum,

it's a great thing that you've purchased all of this stuff to preserve.

If you happen to be right to the guy

who's hemorrhaging every cent out of your bank account to purchase it, it's not as fun, I would imagine.

And

this is why she's like,

let's concentrate on the positive.

Get into the room and start painting, big boy.

Okay, keep your painting going because that seems to be the only

thing purchasing all of this.

That is, I mean, I do, I paint for two reasons.

One, because it lets me escape into another world for a few hours

every day or every other day.

And

the other is because I got to sell something to, I mean, we're going to be living, I swear to you,

if you listen to my wife, we're going to be living under a bridge

with

George Washington's compass and Abraham Lincoln's

clothing from the day that he died.

We'll have that in our shopping cart.

But

we got that going for us because that's all we'll have going for us.

That's her version.

My version is, please come by my art.

Right.

Please come by my art.

Glennbeckart.com, I believe it is, by the way.

And yes, a lot of it is very expensive.

This is stuff that actually is in galleries.

And I've made fun of Glenn for this in the past because when he started painting, he sucked really badly.

And now he's somehow actually.

International collectors.

Collectors.

International collectors.

That's pretty cool.

Yeah.

And I would say this.

I think the normal reaction to someone who hears this, that your art is hanging in a gallery, is like, how does this Hunter Biden-like scam work?

Right.

And I think that's a normal question.

There's a mouse.

I would ask that.

Yeah.

In fact, I have asked asked that yeah i'm just not in apparently on the scam because i've asked that how is this not the same as under biden because that's crap and uh i mean but people i i think biden's much better than hunter biden quite honestly but look you can see all of the art we have uh g clays and we have posters of it and t-shirts of it and the originals so Bring your checkbook if you happen to be rich.

Bring your checkbook because we're going to milk you for every cent you have.

And if you're not rich,

trying to put this thing on the road.

Right.

You can do the posters, which are very nice and reasonably priced.

Although, I will say,

if you think of the difference, essentially, like Hunter Biden's scam

was like he comes out with art and then that fuels a bunch of Coke-filled hooker

wasted weekends, where yours goes to like George Washington's handkerchief.

Like that, like there's some, some it's a it's sort of the same thing except less cocaine and more really nerdy documents.

There is something coming up for sale on July 7th.

I'm just saying I haven't talked to my wife about it yet, but I will

if I sell some of this art as I am I it is it's like

it's a very important important piece.

I don't even want to tell you what it is.

I'll tell you when I get it or if I don't get it what it was.

It's really important

and that's what all of the money goes for.

So you know what the number one bestseller is here?

What's the best-selling item we have?

Now what?

Dark future.

It's the new book and it's out in two weeks.

You can get it now signed or unsigned

right here.

Right here.

Really big shoe.

It's better to get it unsigned because it's actually worth more.

Can I tell you something?

I have seen them old books on eBay, and a non-signed book will be, you know, I don't know, eight bucks.

A signed book I've seen for sale for two.

This one's been defaced.

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Live from St.

George, Utah, which may I just say from experience this week, bring chapstick.

It is so dry here.

I feel like a desert is just going to crack open my face here soon.

Um, welcome to the uh Glenbeck program.

We're glad you're here.

There's a couple of things that you need to know about.

First of all, uh, Donald Trump jacked up the threats

on Monday and then again yesterday, says he's going to skip at least the first Republican debate because it's Fox News.

And

I agree with him, quite honestly.

I think these guys should stop doing these debates

with the mainstream media.

I mean, oh boy, Stu's looking at me skeptically.

Yeah, I'm curious.

I mean, look, I don't think Fox's news coverage is perfect by any means, but certainly it's more friendly than the mainstream media as a whole.

We're just including Fox News and mainstream media now.

Is that kind of where you're going with us?

Sometimes that feels that way.

I mean, I don't think that that's always the case.

I think they are way off course from where they used to be.

And now

it's just I kind of don't trust them.

When Tucker was there, I knew Tucker was fighting and fighting

the inside and the outside.

And now,

I mean,

who do you really trust over there?

Brett Baer?

I mean, he's a a nice guy.

I really like him, but really?

He is a Carl Rove?

I mean, Carl Rove.

You know, Brett Baer is a straight news journalist, so I think does certainly.

I mean,

maybe not compare him to whatever your ideal Fox is, but like compare him to NBC news coverage.

I mean, I take Brett Baer a thousand times in a row.

Yeah, I would too.

But you don't have to settle for that now anymore.

So what's your vision of it in the middle of who's doing this?

Oh,

I would take

the Daily Wire.

I would take

the Blaze.

I do think that

what you're talking about here, because obviously, somewhat that's self-serving, right?

We work for the Blaze, right?

We certainly like the Daily Wire.

There's a lot of outlets like that.

But what I think is about...

I would put Glenn...

Glenn Greenwald and put, I would build a panel of people that are going to ask honest questions.

Yeah.

I want honest questions.

I don't want gotcha questions.

I don't want questions coming from

any one point of view.

I want people who will ask the honest question.

I'll ask tough questions.

Tucker would ask tough questions.

Glenn Greenwald would ask tough questions.

Ben Shapiro would.

Yeah, and look, sometimes Fox has done a good job with that in previous debates, sometimes.

But I would say, like, one of the things that's most interesting to me about your idea here is that what we get out of mainstream media are questions that would theoretically interest their audience.

And often that question is, you know, something like, hey,

did you really rape Eugene Carroll at Bergdorf's in 1985?

And it's like, all right, like, I get that's what, you know, Rachel Maddow's audience probably does want to hear.

They probably do want to hear about that.

But like, I would like to hear like much more.

Like, I would like to hear from Donald Trump, hey, you know, you're talking a lot about, you know, beating the deep state, right?

And how important that is

one of your main justifications for running.

Well, if you're out of office right now, right, and you're saying this election was stolen from you, why didn't you see any of this coming?

Why didn't you stop it?

Why didn't you do something when you had the power to do it?

Right?

Like, that's a question that, like,

I think that's something that, like,

like, would be a real question of, like, how he's going to govern.

What did he miss?

Did he miss something?

Did, did he just put bad people in control?

If so, why?

Like, there's a lot of questions there about Donald Trump's presidency that might be interesting to a conservative trying to decipher between two conservatives.

What we get from the mainstream media is like this pitch of why Donald Trump is so evil and why you should pick Joe Biden over him.

And I think there's very little value in a primary for that.

So here's what I, because I asked Donald Trump that question, and I don't know if it was publicly or privately, but I said,

deep state,

how did that happen?

And he said, I knew there was powerful forces.

He said, I had absolutely no idea how deep it went, but I do now.

I mean, I think that was a reasonable answer.

It's a reasonable answer, but I mean, I think it's fair to worry about that.

Oh, I do too.

If you're putting someone back in office who missed it last time, like, I think

that's a question.

And I think the same question to go, and I'm not saying this to beat up on Trump.

He's just the one that everyone knows their story better.

I mean, like, you could ask the same question about Ron DeSantis.

You know, DeSantis is coming in.

He's never dealt with the Washington people like this.

Obviously, he was a congressman.

But, you know, is he going to be able to perform in the situation?

It's a legitimate question.

Ask him about, you know, are you on?

A lot of people are uncomfortable with how he's using using his power in the state, you know, as maybe it's too top-down, right, for a conservative audience.

Let's go back and forth and hear from another candidate who says, you know what, maybe you're doing too much from

the governor's mansion.

I'm not, these are just examples.

You're not saying what right or wrong there, but like, how do you decipher between two conservatives has nothing to do with whether Donald Trump kept documents.

Like, I don't care about that.

That means nothing to me

as it regards to going to try to pick somebody in a primary.

Well, I have a feeling that the left feels the same way about those documents.

You remember, somehow or another, this recording was leaked.

Wow.

There's so many leaks.

None, none, apparently, on the left that we should either listen to or take credible.

So many leaks on Donald Trump.

The whole leak was him talking about a plan, apparently,

with Iran.

And he had the document.

And those were one of the, you know, they took those documents away from him because he was being irresponsible with them.

Well, guess what wasn't with the documents?

And guess what wasn't even listed when they charged him

that document.

So,

wait, we're

We've been arguing about a conversation he had where he said he was holding up a magazine

and they don't even have the document.

I mean,

I would say

highly unlikely

if they had the document and he had the document, he'd reach over and grab it and say, look at this.

But if the document doesn't exist, at least in the file, then you have to go to he shred it, which is now a conspiracy theorist.

Or what?

Why are we arguing over this?

It's stupid.

I mean, and I think, too, this is a situation where it's not like we don't have the murder weapon.

We don't have the body.

Right?

Like,

we have no idea if he actually killed someone in this murder case.

The document, if the document doesn't exist, who knows?

You know, maybe that's that, again, is your conspiracy theory.

You're like, you know, you think maybe he shredded it.

But if you don't have any evidence of that, what do you have here?

Again, this story, I think, is...

Just nonsensical.

It's got nothing to do with the future of the country.

Nothing.

This is just a sideshow,

a sideshow, yet another attempt to throw Donald Trump out of office when what you could do to get him out of office is just beat him, right?

If you're a Democrat and you don't want Donald Trump to be president, then win.

You don't need to, they keep trying to do this by some other means and they go down these roads.

Do the American people care if the president who literally was given this document in office to see it, instead of having it in in front of him, just remembers the details?

That's what we're talking about.

He would know about this document anyway.

He could tell people about it anyway.

The question is, does he have it in his possession or not?

That's really what we're going to determine the future of this country on.

It's just stupid.

By the way, Chip Roy, who we're trying to get on, Chip Roy has come out and said that a number of Republicans don't believe Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas should be impeached over his handling of the border.

May I ask,

how low is the bar for unemployment or employment at the Biden administration?

Because it seems like everyone can keep their job and they're all doing fine.

What's her name?

The White House press secretary.

She's

awful.

She's awful.

She's either reading from a book.

Why don't you just

Xerox the book and just hand it to all the reporters?

If you're going to read all of the answers, they got them there.

They can just flip to page nine.

That's all she should say.

Flip to page nine.

That answer is on page 12.

Yeah, I'm not going any further than that.

She's awful.

Yet everybody seems to love her.

Majorcas.

What does the guy have to do?

Does he have to start driving drug cartel members across the border and

have them sleep in the White House before we care?

No way that would be enough to get him out.

He would remain

no matter what, which is incredible.

By the way, Glenn, one update on the border situation, you know, the whole DeSantis flying people into Martha's Vineyard.

It was the worst thing any governor had ever done in history.

And we were all told about all these awful things.

Now there's a new story in the New York Times that the people who did stay, which was a small percentage of them, they booted most of them out immediately, but the people who did stay, really enjoying Martha's Vineyard.

They built a nice life there, really liking it.

They can't believe it.

This is news.

This is news?

This is really nice.

It's why all of our presidents build houses.

Wow, they just dropped me in one of the greatest vacation paradises of all time, at least in America.

And

I like it.

Oh, get that on the front page.

It's not a surprise.

It's not a surprise.

However, it should be a surprise to anyone who reads the New York Times, who were told this was one of the worst things the governor has ever done.

And they're making it seem like, oh, well, they put it in the face of Ron DeSantis by enjoying their time in Martha's Vineyard.

I don't know.

Was DeSantis trying to punish them by putting them there?

He was trying to point out, hey, the burden can't be held by only southern states.

And while, you know, these people, of course, are going to enjoy it there.

There's no question about it.

I think this is a great policy for everybody.

Yeah, you want to punish somebody.

You clearly send them to Philadelphia or Washington, D.C.

Martha's Vineyard is not a punishment.

The best of the Glenn Bank program.

Timothy Barton is with us now from Wall Builders.

Hi, Tim.

How are you?

I'm good, Glenn.

Good to see you.

Good to see you.

Thank you so much for coming to

Liberty Week here in St.

George.

Well, I love being here.

Yeah.

You and your dad are across the street now

doing another

American history seminar.

Yep.

And usually when we do these, and maybe it's because of me, because I'm such a loudmouth, they last three days.

But this is being done in one day.

So actually, we were going to do one-day seminars, and we said there's no way we can squeeze three days into one day.

So we're doing a two-day seminar.

Oh, are you?

We found the happy middle ground.

Okay.

So you're at.

Wow.

You're at.

Then today you'd be at my part where it gets really, really dark.

Correct.

Yeah.

Correct.

How are you going to do that?

You're so happy.

Well, that's the reason I left.

It's up to my dad now.

I don't know what he's saying right now.

I can get back and the whole story's changed.

I have no idea.

Right.

You know, the amazing thing is, and people are seeing this here, backed up by facts.

We are a country that is

both Jamestown.

and Plymouth.

Absolutely.

And this is a choice.

We have this great map that was printed by Congress in 1870 that shows the tree that comes from Jamestown, which is nasty.

It ends in treason and murder and death and slavery.

And the tree from the pilgrims leads to freedom.

And people don't understand.

the difference between those two and that we have to make a choice every day between those two.

Yeah, so the map specifically, if people are wanting to look it up, it came out in 1888.

If they look for 1888 map of Jamestown and Plymouth, they can find that map and it shows the legacy.

And what's great about even the imagery, it came out at the end of Reconstruction.

So as America has gone through the Civil War, 13th, 14th, 15th Amendment rights are being restored.

At this point, you still have the Union Army in the South enforcing all of those civil rights before Democrats took over.

And when President Cleveland comes in and they revoke all of the civil rights laws passed in Reconstruction.

But up to this point, there's...

Why did they, wait, wait, why did they do that?

Why did Cleveland do that?

Well, part of what was going on, there was a discrepancy in the presidency leading up to Democrats getting control of Congress again.

And part of that there was not enough electoral votes, and this is before Cleveland.

I think it was, was it Hayes?

I'd have to look that up.

I'm just,

I'm so overloaded with my Hayes information that I can't sort through it fast enough.

Well, and yeah, we've been studying for a different conversation.

And so now I'm like, wait a second, what is this?

But you go back that it was the last Republican before Democrats take over, and there wasn't enough electoral votes to declare presidential winner.

So it goes to Congress.

And in Congress, it still wasn't really clear that they're still divided of who's going to be the president.

And some of the congressmen from the South said,

we will acquiesce.

We'll say, Republicans, you can have the president if you remove the Union Army from the South, because the Union Army is who was enforcing all of these civil rights laws.

And not everybody in the South was against some of what was going on, but certainly the political leaders, and there was some absolutely racist, embedded thoughts in those political leaders in many of the southern states.

And so they said, we'll give you the presidency if you remove these,

the Union Army from our different towns.

Well, when the Union Army is removed, they begin revoking some of those civil rights laws that were allowing black Americans to vote.

Well, once you have removed the ability for black Americans to vote, that there was at that point a lot of black elected officials in southern states, all Republicans.

But once blacks can no longer vote in those states anymore, all of a sudden Democrats not only come back to power, they have then a super majority coming back with what they're doing.

And when they get that power from the South, all of the Southern elected individuals become Democrat again.

That's when you begin to see not only Democrats having power in Congress, the presidency coming back.

That's when you start seeing them go back to some of that

racist roots where they're saying, right, Jim Crow, this is when that kind of enters.

And this is part of the legacy of Jamestown and Plymouth.

And even to that map, what's worth noting is when you look at where Jamestown and Plymouth are, it shows there are two things

that they are rooted in.

And in Plymouth, it is built on the Bible.

And it's very clearly, there's a book that says Bible on the side, but Jamestown, it's a corner.

We have, hang on just a second, we have downstairs

their letter

from,

or their oath that they had to take as a citizen.

of

Plymouth, that it's all about God.

It's all about God.

Yeah, it's, I mean, really, when you start looking at the historical documents, there's no question at all that these were individuals who were rooted in faith.

When even we have the first printing of Governor Bradford's journal, and he identified at times that we'd spend six to eight hours a day studying the Bible, that this is who they were.

And so it shows in the map that is a foundation of Plymouth.

And then it shows the tree growing from there.

And Jamestown, it shows that the foundation of Jamestown is a coin on the side that says maimon.

And what they were pointing out is that some of these individuals, where they had gone wrong, the Bible tells us that the love of money is the root of all evil.

And where they went wrong is they cared more about making money than they did about individuals.

I think the same thing could be said about Columbus.

He's coming over.

He's very, very humble.

He gets here.

He starts to think, oh my gosh, I'm going to be famous.

I'm going to be the governor.

I can make money.

And it goes awry.

And he's humbled again.

I mean, whenever anyone is pursuing, at least on this land, when they are just pursuing money,

they're destroyed.

Unquestionably.

And I think this is also part of the dichotomy even to human history, where even with Jamestown and Plymouth, this is not a new thought or idea.

You can go back to the famous novel by Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities, right?

This was always kind of, you have two options and what option are you going to take?

And America took both options.

But it's also worth noting, even that that early 1888 map depicts it very well.

The majority of America was far more impacted by Plymouth than they were Jamestown, which one of the things that we will illustrate for people when someone says, America's evil, we had Jim Crow laws in America.

Unquestionably, we had Jim Crow laws in America, but we always ask the question, where do we have Jim Crow laws?

Because right now we're sitting in Utah.

You know who didn't have Jim Crow laws?

Utah.

Neither did Colorado.

Neither did Nebraska.

Neither, really, when you start looking at the tree that came from Plymouth and it goes across all of the northern U.S.

and spreads into the western U.S., so all of the northern states,

the only part that really embraced the Jim Crow laws were the deep deep Democratic South, where that racism was embedded in much of their culture.

So at what point did the Klan,

because we have some stuff down in the museum that is horrifying.

And one of them is a little Klan card with faces of mostly black, but a lot of whites as well.

That basically is a Klan killing card.

Correct.

They would hand them out and say, if you see these people, kill them or call us.

Yeah, it was the Republican legislature of South Carolina.

And in South Carolina, the Republicans, the one fighting for equal rights, well, that was the Republican Party was the party that all of the former slaves, the black people, were joining because that was the party of freedom and equality.

Right.

And it was because really the first platform of the Republican Party didn't have anything like, we're for lower taxes.

It was.

all about anti-slavery.

Which we also have that.

So the first Republican platform came out in 1856 and had nine planks.

So nine things of what we fundamentally believe, well, seven of the nine planks were against slavery.

So, right, this is where it's not confusing at all.

The Republican Party was against slavery, which also leads into when Lincoln gets elected in 1860 on the Republican platform, the Republican platform is still absolutely anti-slavery.

When he gets elected, and South Carolina was the first state to secede, South Carolina released what was known as a Declaration of Causes.

It was like their version of the Declaration of Independence.

And what they acknowledged is that we know with this new Republican leadership that their goal is to end and emancipate the slaves, end slavery, emancipate the slaves.

And we know that slavery is no longer South if we remain in the Union.

And so they conclude this Declaration of Causes by saying, we invite all other slaveholding states to join us in forming a pro-slavery confederation.

This is where

when people even talk about states' rights, we'd encourage people, go back and read why they actually said they're separating.

Because the political leaders did not argue states' rights.

Now, we also make the distinction, not everybody in the South was pro-slavery, just like not everybody in the North was anti-slavery.

You had people from New York as a great example, they were very much pro-slavery, but they were pro-union.

Whereas the political leaders in the South, they were so pro-slavery, they said, We don't care about the Union, we care more about our slaves.

And this is where we would tell people: of the 11 states that seceded, five of them released Declaration of Causes, where they are literally saying why they're seceding.

And in every one of their Declaration of Causes, they're talking about slavery being the primary reason they are seceding.

Well, you're also,

if you look at the Constitution of the Southern southern states, you can't join the secession unless you agree with slavery, will have slavery, and agree to expand slavery elsewhere.

Correct.

I mean, so it's pretty darn clear.

And what's also worth noting about even the Confederate Constitution, it's almost a verbatim copy of the U.S.

Constitution, and then they just added several parts they thought would make it better.

And the parts they added were parts to protect and defend and expand slavery as new territories would join.

That would be a hard time.

Did they adopt the Bill of Rights as well?

Because I don't know how you square that.

Well, that's actually a super interesting question because in the Confederate Constitution, there is no Bill of Rights.

Correct.

Right, which is super interesting.

I have not looked into the conversations they had about not including the Bill of Rights, but absolutely, that would be an interesting conversation or interesting research.

Martha listens to her favorite band all the time.

In the car,

gym,

even sleeping.

So when they finally went on tour, Martha bundled her flight and hotel on Expedia to see them live.

She saved so much, she got a seat close enough to actually see and hear them.

Sort of.

You were made to scream from the front row.

We were made to quietly save you more.

Expedia, made to travel.

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