Best of The Program | Guests: Matt Lohmeier & Alison Perfater | 2/16/23

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Pat Gray returns after a health scare, and Glenn apologizes for breaking a promise. Former Space Force commander Matt Lohmeier joins to discuss whether we’re already in a cold war with China and why China would use spy balloons. A “revival” at Asbury University has been going nonstop for over seven days. Student body president Alison Perfater joins to discuss how “miraculous” it has been.
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Charlie Sheen is an icon of decadence.

I lit the fuse, and my life turns into everything it wasn't supposed to be.

He's going the distance.

He was the highest-paid TV star of all time.

When it started to change, it was quick.

He kept saying, No, no, no, I'm in the hospital now, but next week I'll be ready for the show.

Now, Charlie's sober.

He's gonna tell you the truth.

How do I present this with any class?

I think we're past that, Charlie.

We're past that, yeah.

Somebody call action.

Yeah, aka Charlie Sheen, only on Netflix, September 10th.

You're actually charging tips now?

Sarah's now tip.

Yeah.

So I know that that's Sarah.

I don't know if you can hear.

That's Sarah, our producer, who's saying that she's charging tips now.

She's put in a digital kiosk where every time she has to press a button, we have to walk over and press the 15%.

The choices are 15, 35, and 45% tips.

Right.

And, you know, it's, it's, I mean, she thought it was, would work to make that digital kiosk look like a giant thong,

but

I'm not going to.

I will say, luckily, she's not good at math, so she doesn't realize 45% of zero is still zero.

So that's luckily.

It is?

Yeah.

Crap.

Our plan didn't work, Sarah.

Okay, so the podcast today pulls some really great stuff.

We talked to

one of the commanders of Space Force

about what's happening with the balloons, what's happening with China, with Russia, and aliens.

His answer on aliens is really quite interesting.

Also, this miraculous thing that is happening in the middle of nowhere, Kentucky.

They had a service at this college.

A couple of dozen people kind of were at this.

A couple people didn't leave after the prayer call.

And it hasn't stopped.

That service started on February 8th.

It has been going 24 hours a day now for a couple weeks.

What is happening in Kentucky?

I think it's a miracle.

Wait until you hear the people that were there.

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From

really a miraculous few days, last week, Pat Gray

fell ill, and we found that, what was it, Thursday?

Did you go in?

I went in Tuesday.

Tuesday.

He went in Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, we hear at one o'clock in the morning, Pat's in full kidney failure and it doesn't look good.

And we're like,

all right, that doesn't sound good.

And there was no good news.

And then we couldn't talk to him for like, you know, a day or so.

He's like, oh, my kidneys have shut down.

And so

exactly what I was warning about.

Now, Pat, I apologized to you when, was it Saturday when I saw you?

I apologize because I broke a promise with you.

And we made a promise, what, 1990?

1990.

That if either of us were dead or dying, the other would exploit it for ratings purposes.

Yes.

Or for wealth.

We've had that.

Right.

Like, J.I.

died.

Listen to me.

Listen to me.

I want

everyone in this audience to know, if I'm hit by a bus, I die of a heart attack, George Soros finally gets me, whatever it is, okay?

If Stu is not on the air, and Pat, if he's alive, but I got an update on that.

If he's alive.

Do you have an update on him being alive, even though he's sitting right here?

Yes, I do.

I'm a doctor, man.

That's true.

And they are not exploiting my death.

And they're not going to have tears being shed.

But if they're not finding people who are crying and putting them on the air the very next day, even if it's about other things, they are not good human beings.

Okay.

Right.

Look, this is something I think we all understand.

We all understand.

Yeah, you've known that for a long time.

We have.

I've known this for a long time.

Now, you guys started this long before I was

part of the team here.

But I've heard about it multiple times.

Yes.

And we're dead serious.

Are you not dead serious?

So it's

part of the foundation of the show.

It is.

Exploit other members' deaths.

Yes.

Yes.

It's the way we deal with things.

So anyway, so

I came in on Thursday morning.

Was it Thursday morning?

No, Wednesday morning.

And Pat's in full kidney failure and he could die.

That's the news we have.

Okay.

May not be coming back.

And I said,

Stu,

I got a problem

because

to do the right thing here

is the wrong thing.

I should go on the air today, talk about how he's at death's door and talk about his cookie company, Texi Cookies.

Yes.

And say it definitely was not the cookies.

And I will tell you this,

Jackie, Pat was such a, even if this isn't true, such a horrible investor.

He's got nothing.

Jackie and the kids, even though they're already out of the house, are going to be out of the house.

Okay.

Please go to what is it?

Kexi.

Kecksie.com.

Kexi.com.

Help him through this impossible

situation.

And the family.

And so

we had a serious discussion, Pat.

And Sarah and Stu,

I said, what do you, because I was really torn.

I didn't, you know, I didn't remember if Jackie was fully aware of our deal.

I think we should make our spouses aware of it.

Definitely.

Definitely.

So Stu says, and Sarah both say,

might be too soon.

And I said, oh, you think?

And they're like, no, you know, I mean,

it might be too soon.

There was a thought of like, maybe he actually is dying, but that's the deal.

And

this is part of the charm of knowing Pat Gray.

If you need to get in touch with him and get information,

you can't.

That's not something that can occur.

it's the same with glenn yeah oh yeah it's oh that's the same you got to call glenn's wife and if if his wife is not near him you still can't get him but i want way less information about glenn's private life okay like i would love to know much less okay and i know too much right right all right pat on the other hand that infection is all but i know congratulations about that

pat on the other hand i you know i i'm like texting keith you know i'm just like hey is pat alive like i was like and we didn't know at that point.

And so there was never a moment in which, and you should know this, Pat, as your, as your friend, I never at any time suggested we should not exploit this to get you money through Pecksy Cookies.

There was never a moment in which I suggested that.

Nor did Sarah.

I did the seed of doubt.

Oh, all right.

Oh, he was like,

I don't know, Glenn.

You might be viewed as a horrible human being by his wife.

I mean, I did mention and I to be fair I was concerned about mocking your condition yeah okay I wasn't because I thought you were going to die well no you you definitely said you were going to and uh no I said I was going to exploit it no exploit exploitation I'm totally fine with my concern was was mocking actually mocking your potential actual death how was I going to mock it well you it was more of the uh mocking his his situation than exploiting it for like I'm fine with you joking about hey we need to make sure we get you know you need to go to kexie.com I was going to say I believe he will be dead

soon next couple of maybe during this show yeah I think that might maybe during the show and you never know this could be your last chance to get a cookie while I am still alive right but like Jackie.com they're Jackie's recipes there's the kexie.com will launch

do not listen to that liar now listen.

I'm the one in the kitchen all the time.

So

you're not going to be able to do that.

I always have an apron on.

So here's what happened.

You go to the hospital.

You have a kidney stone.

Yeah.

Your kidneys are in total shutdown failure.

Yeah.

Right.

I had an acute kidney injury that brought on the failure.

And then

you also have your blood sugar.

at 700.

Which I had no idea

about.

You've been diabetic now for.

Who knows?

I don't know.

Okay, but they say probably a couple of months.

They said at least three months.

Right.

And they, and did they not say you should be dead?

Yeah.

And did the doctor not sit down with you and Jackie when he came?

He ran in tests.

In the emergency room, he came in and said, sat down.

You are a very, very sick man.

I'm like, well, I know I got a kidney stone.

It really hurts.

Right.

He's like, no, it's way beyond that.

Oh,

okay.

So that's when I went to the intensive care unit.

And so, first of all, in all seriousness, what's the outlook here?

Is everything looking okay?

That's fine.

He refuses to answer that question because it's very sensitive.

Thank you.

Pat, there's hella, Stu.

Okay, may it be legal to ask me.

May I be a little more friendly and ask, is your kidney function back up?

It is.

Could this kidney function,

unbeknownst to you,

suddenly plummet and stop working at any moment.

At any time.

I want you to go to Texi Cookies right now and order some cookies.

These are the best cookies.

Kexi.com.

Kexi.com.

K-E-K-K-E-K.

K-E-K.

K-K.

S-I.

S-I.

Whatever.

It's a stupid name.

I was against this before the kidney failure.

But kexi.com.

Get those cookies.

Eat the cookies because I can't anymore.

Wait, you can't?

No.

Oh, no.

Oh, my gosh, no.

You can't eat cookies anymore?

No.

He can't have...

He's a diabetic now.

Ice cream.

None of that stuff.

Ice cream.

Pat?

Listen to me.

Listen to me, have ice cream.

Shush shush.

Listen to me, audience.

Okay?

Pat will die without ice cream.

It'll happen.

It will.

He will die without ice cream.

Enjoy it for him with a great cookie.

Kexi.com.

Kexi.com.

Please, before time runs out.

And this, the hospital bills, you had hospital bills, didn't you?

Huge.

They're huge, huge, huge hospital bills.

You're not going to answer about insurance because it's bad.

I'm just saying.

Whatever it is.

Whatever it is, it's bad.

Kexi is really.

I'm pretty sure I have the same insurance you.

Yeah, the only hope is kexie.com.

Kexi.

That's a good point.

Do they provide insurance?

Does Kexie also, is it cookies and an insurance at Kexie.com?

I refuse to answer that because it doesn't even seem like a fair question.

No, that's true.

Doesn't even seem.

So, Pat, as we wheel you back out,

we're glad you're alive.

Thank you.

That was scary, man.

I'm serious.

I hate it.

I literally was scary.

It was terrifying.

Stop doing that.

Yeah.

Stop it.

I'd like to.

I'd like to very much stop doing that.

Yeah.

I will say the day before all this happened,

you know, I look at, we have glass windows in front of me, and I can see people coming in and out.

And at one point, Pat was walking up the stairs, and I said to Glenn, that does not look like a healthy individual.

I know, you look like you were like bad, and that was the day before.

Oh, yeah, and you barely got up the stairs.

I got off the

air and walked over to you, and we had a conversation.

I'm like, Are you okay?

Yeah, and uh, no, no, you were in so much pain.

Yeah, oh my gosh, how much of that pain was your kidneys going, help?

Probably all of it.

Oh my gosh.

Probably all of it.

It's so dangerous.

When you live in pain like this all the time, you know, pain is going to get used to it.

Yeah, and pain is your thing that, you know, you go, I should have that checked.

And your alert system.

It's your alert system.

And when your alert system is gone,

it's like the car alarm that goes off every single morning out in front of your house.

You just don't even check anymore.

And that's why Pat could die within the hour.

And you should.

Are you out of pain, Pat?

No.

He's not.

No way.

I'm not.

So he has no alert system.

He probably is dying.

Well, he does.

He's dying slowly right now.

We don't know.

Slowly or quickly.

It could be either.

It could be either.

Kexi.

Kexi.com.

Okay, this is too much even for me now.

Get your cookie.

It's too much even for me.

It's not for Pat.

Not for Jackie.

You selfish bastard.

You want to leave her penniless?

No, I do not.

Gosh.

No, I do not.

I'm just trying to help.

You're right.

So forgive my ignorance here, but so legitimately, you can't have any of these things ever again?

No.

Well, I mean,

I'm told by a dietician that that shouldn't be the way I look at things.

That's like Joe Biden's suicide, but, you know.

Joe Biden says we shouldn't look at inflation as the price of eggs going up.

Right.

Look at it a different way.

Right.

They're eggs.

You got them.

Right.

Money grows on trees.

There you go.

I mean, could I have a half a cup of ice cream every

month or something?

Probably.

Right, right.

You will die.

But could I eat one of my cookies?

Probably not.

Why?

Maybe a bite or two.

Are there sugar

cookies?

Maybe a tad.

A tad.

Yeah.

Okay.

Maybe a tad.

So what would you say?

The reason why Pat is in so much trouble is they had to buy the entire island of Hawaii for the sugar cane.

Wow.

Aggressive investment.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

so this is just like total, is the solution to this like medication?

Is it life change?

Is it

all of it to insulin?

I mean, what part of diabetes don't you understand?

I'm I probably will soon, so I'm trying to learn.

All right.

All right.

Pat, welcome back.

We were concerned, and so were a lot of people that

just hadn't thought of dialing, you know, for cookies and going online and getting kexi.

There's only one way to soothe the pain of

a close beloved friend

in kidney failure.

And of course, that's kexie.com.

You are sick.

This was a serious situation.

You are sick.

I apologize for him.

Thank you.

The best of the Glenn Bank program.

Matthew Lohmeyer is on with us.

Hello, Matthew.

How are you?

Glenn, I'm well.

Thank you.

It's good to talk to you.

Now, I should say thank you, first of all, for your courage.

You had a nice position as a lieutenant colonel at Space Force, and you came out and started talking about the dangers of CRT and what was being done by the Pentagon.

And

they didn't like that very

Yeah, well, thanks for first bringing up this.

I did have a good position, so to speak, and I was in command of our nation's space-based missile warning enterprise, which implies senior military leaders at some point did, in fact, trust me to be a good leader and to make proper strategic assessments and whatnot.

But the fact is, I didn't just write an expose or a book that I then made public without first bringing up some of my concerns with senior military leaders themselves.

The entire chain of command of the Space Force

had been aware of what should properly be characterized as overt left-wing political

talking points, anti-American sentiment in the military workplace.

And I was bringing that to their attention, which included Marxist-rooted critical race theory in the form of what we call diversity and inclusion trainings.

But they agreed with me that it was a big problem, but the fact is, who are you going to hold accountable for it?

Are we in the proper climate that we've created for ourselves to hold some of these activists accountable?

And apparently the answer was no, we weren't in a position to try and hold them accountable.

We were afraid.

And so that led to a formal written Inspector General's complaint, which was dismissed

right during the election season, in fact.

And so I wrote a book about it.

I was in a unique position in uniform to see what was happening within the ranks of the military and how divisive that ideology can be.

I've often said what Marxism does to someone in China, it will do to an American.

And CRT, as we're increasingly aware, destroys everything it touches.

So it was important to talk up about that.

But we've got, as you've mentioned, bigger concerns.

on the horizon and happening in the country at the moment.

Well, before we leave this subject,

today i found out that the uh recruiting uh for the military is down 25 percent off goal and i saw what the military said they said that's because the youth you know they just uh they they they they don't see the military as relevant really how come all of a sudden after afghanistan and after the crt nonsense

Your recruiting went down through the tubes.

That didn't play a role?

Well, yeah, you know, one of the things, it's easy to tell at a glance at any given moment how our recruiting efforts are doing, but what it's not easy

to assess real time at a glance is how our retention efforts are doing.

And that's often left out of the headlines.

But, you know, I talk to service members all the time.

They reach out, both thanking me for my book and also seeking for help, quite frankly, in how to navigate the current politicized workplace in the uniformed services.

But they are telling me, and this is anecdotal, I get it, but it's real world on the ground intel, that they and a bunch of people that are currently in uniform, their active duty service commitments aren't up yet, but when they are up, they're going to be getting out of the service.

And so not only do we face recruitment issues, we're going to have a really difficult time this year and in the next year retaining.

folks who have served for a very long time.

It's a really tough position to be in.

It's not just COVID's fault.

And it's not, you know, pick the issues that senior defense officials want to point a finger at and shame and blame.

It's the very policies that are being pushed down the pipe right now and foisted upon our service members that's hurting morale and disincentivizing them for continued service.

We're talking to former Space Force Lieutenant Colonel Matthew Lowmeyer.

You can find him at matthewlowmeyer.com or follow him on Twitter at Matthew Lomeyer.

I want to switch now to the balloons that we've had.

I mean, you as, you know, you were in charge of our space missile defense.

Do you think we're shooting aliens out of the sky in balloons?

You know, I'm open to a lot of ideas.

I tell you the entirety.

The timing of all of this is really interesting as well.

One of the things that's become quite clear over the last 10 days is that senior military leaders, Jim Mattis included apparently, and White House officials have known about Chinese spy balloons for years violating the sovereignty of countries around the globe and potentially including our own, and apparently not informing the sitting commander-in-chief at the time.

Why we've decided to start shooting them out of the sky over North America now is in fact curious.

The timing is curious, and perhaps the timing matters.

It almost always does.

And perhaps it's really convenient.

This sounds like conspiracy theory, but in fact it's not.

In fact, we've been trained for the past couple of years to ask important questions.

Perhaps it's really convenient to have those shootdowns in the headlines right now instead of any number of other things that have been in the headlines.

I mean there's been a classified document scandal at Joe Biden's residence.

There are more revelations about Hunter Biden's corruption with his dad while he was the vice president and in dealings with Middle Eastern countries and in China than at any other time that we've known of before now.

And we've got information that's coming to light about Jim Biden's dealings with Assad.

We've got a well-stitched reporting that came from Seymour Church.

Do you believe that?

Well, I think it's entirely plausible.

And

that's important.

I mean, the guy's done phenomenal reporting for decades, and some of the details that he shares in an interview that I just watched yesterday are entirely plausible.

And in fact, you take a look back earlier last year and Joe Biden, because he can't help himself, is making statements about the Nord Stream 2 pipeline ceasing to exist if Russia

in fact invades Ukraine.

They do, and then the Nord Stream II pipeline ceases to exist, at least temporarily.

And then, of course, there was the imminent release of...

the Jeffrey Epstein visitor logs and lists.

And so all of that is swirling about in headlines.

And then the shootdowns come.

Now, I think that the first balloon that we shot down was, in fact, a spy balloon from China.

They essentially admitted as much.

What do they get that they couldn't get on a satellite?

Well, altitude matters.

So every country who has a space-faring capability is engaged in spying on our adversaries.

But you do that outside of the sovereign airspace of nations and in space.

And we do that from low Earth orbit with optical capabilities and we do it from higher up as well but the closer you are to the earth the fact of the matter is the better images you're able to take but what's most concerning is not just more images I'm guessing there's enough I shouldn't say I'm guessing there are enough images the world over it's like what good does one more image do

the fact is depending on what capabilities were aboard that first balloon that we shot down, I think it was on the 4th of February,

there's any number of other signals, transmissions, code that could have been either interfered with, tampered with, or received or retrieved by the Chinese Communist Party.

And so is this a first-time event?

Likely not, apparently.

But it's totally bogus that we were told as the American people that the concern was for the American people on the ground and that's why we weren't shooting it out of the sky and we're letting it traverse the entirety of of the country.

I mean, any American citizen who's been up in a commercial airliner

can take a look around and tell you that most places over the continental United States don't have people living there.

I mean it's just desolate.

And the moment that thing left overhead any major U.S.

city, it should have been brought down.

And it didn't need to be obliterated.

I mean, we could have just brought it to our knees and brought it down and kept it intact.

and tried to be transparent with the American people about what it is that we think we saw.

And yet we didn't do any of that.

We shoot it down over water, send it to FBI headquarters of all things, and then complain that we can't quite recover all of the capabilities that were aboard the balloon.

I mean, here's something that's important as a principle for your listener to keep in mind.

In relative peacetime, it's difficult enough, as we've seen, to stitch together an accurate view of the things that are taking place in global politics.

But when you're talking relative wartime, increased and heightened conflict, it's going to be nearly impossible because deception is an important part of grand strategy.

I unfortunately think we're getting deception from our own government to our own people.

And, you know, one of those things is that China is the new model, which I believe they believe.

But that, you know,

that they're not hostile to us.

There is plenty of evidence that they are fighting a war that we refuse to involve ourselves or even recognize.

And we're going to pay a high price for this.

Do you think that's right or wrong?

I think it is right.

In fact,

you almost,

okay.

If I was Xi Jinping,

I would try to avoid a shooting match with the United States at all costs.

In fact, I didn't see the show that you had mentioned that you'd done last night,

but you referenced a 1999 manual.

I presume you're talking about the work called Unrestricted Warfare.

Yes, we've translated it into English by these two Chinese colonels.

Nothing in that book, the overarching premise of the strategy to defeat the West and the United States in particular, is that nothing is off the table as far as how you pursue the destruction of the United States.

It doesn't have to be direct, kinetic, conventional warfare and tactics.

And so, again, the American people have to ask themselves the question, must military force be used to destroy a country?

And the answer is, of course not.

And the Chinese are aware of that.

And so to your point, Xi Jinping, more than frankly, many American people are willing to acknowledge at this point, is well aware of the fact that we're in a kind of cold civil war here at home ourselves.

And so that combination, in combination with the fact that we are indeed in a new

Cold War with China and the the Chinese Communist Party and Xi Jinping is a terrible combination.

And if I was him, I'd sit and watch

our own disintegration from within our own borders.

I'd watch bad policy decisions being made by people like Joe Biden and the Biden administration.

And I'd cheer that on and I'd influence it in every possible way that did not involve direct kinetic operations so that I could emerge the great super the benevolent superpower who didn't need to shed a drop of blood to rise to preeminence in the world stage not only does that allow him to keep some semblance of a reputation intact it allows him to make claims about the superiority of their worldview and ideology the communist the marxist the maoist worldview and it was superior to the capitalist worldview and look they crumbled under the weight of their own foolishness while we emerged the the global hegemon, not just a regional hegemon, but the global hegemon.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

I'm going to give you some shocking news.

There is a college in Kentucky that has a weekly chapel service.

I know, right?

I know, that's weird enough, but it goes further than that.

On February 8th, There was a morning service and there was an altar call.

Just come on down if you want to get prayed on.

And there was just a couple dozen students there that they were gathering.

It's been going on now since February 8th, 24 hours a day, and people are coming from all over the country.

It's miraculous.

Allison Perfader is with us now.

She is with

the, she's actually the student body president at Ashbury University.

Hello, Allison.

How are you?

Good morning.

How are you?

I'm good.

Thank you for having me on.

I think this is, I mean, this

almost brings tears to my eyes.

This is such a miraculous thing that's going on.

Tell us about it.

Yeah, I mean, it's like you said, it's miraculous.

I mean, I don't know if you've ever heard of Wilmore, Kentucky, but we have one street and we call it downtown.

And so when the whole world is watching us, you have to wonder, what is God doing here?

Because there's nothing about here that people want to see.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So

this started on February 8th.

It wasn't planned, right?

It just

started.

And then

how did other people...

I mean, that's a small town.

How did it go on for even just the first 24 hours?

What was happening?

Yeah.

It's like you said,

February 8th, we had our

regular chapel, and then

a couple students didn't leave, and then a couple students heard that a couple students didn't leave, and then President Brown came over, and I came over to see what was happening.

And

I can just say the Holy Spirit was so present there.

You can almost see it.

And we were just going, wow, what is going on?

And then our surrounding communities heard about it.

And obviously, social media played a huge role in spreading the word.

And we've had friends now from Brazil and Indonesia.

And I mean,

everybody wants in on it.

I had to tell you, I want to take my family.

This is something that I really respect.

The fact that you didn't push this out on social media.

You're not hyping this.

You're kind of a reluctant group to make a big deal out of this because you say

it's really a sacred thing that just is happening organically and you don't want it to be a circus, right?

Yeah, and especially because I think something that Asbury and a lot of universities, and honestly, just my generation, struggles with is pride.

And what we've seen here is just such a radical humility that students are standing up and confessing things that have been done to them or that they've done, and they're opening their hearts up to not only the presence of God, but to each other.

And that is a very intimate thing.

And so there are some mixed feelings about it becoming global.

And it's obviously amazing and it's great,

but there is that core of honesty that that we're still holding on to.

Well, I bet you that there were a lot of people at the Sermon on the Mount that thought,

this shouldn't go global.

In fact, I know it shouldn't go to the Gentiles.

And

I just think this is

remarkable.

So there's no speakers or anything going on, right?

It's just people gathering to pray.

Yeah,

there's been a couple people just kind of facilitating it, you know, keeping everyone safe and also guiding the conversation, making sure that we're setting up healthy boundaries for what we're talking about with big groups of people.

But no, beyond that, I mean, like, it's unfathomable.

Imagine students just bringing mattresses into an old wooden auditorium and spending the night there.

It's crazy.

And it's truly, it's supernatural.

This, I mean, think of the opposite of Occupy Wall Street.

Remember how horrible the conditions became and everything else.

And look what's happening here.

Do you, when you say the thing we want a safe space for the things we're talking about, what does that mean exactly?

Yeah, I mean, I think that there's just an intimacy when a body of believers is together because...

you know, your self-consciousness kind of falls off and your pride kind of falls off and that should be protected.

And just,

well I mean we've had women here who who have gotten help leaving an abusive relationship for example and that's something that you know isn't to be displayed or promoted yeah um that's just genuine life is hard and God is good kind of a kind of a situation and

yeah

yeah

so do you think that I mean I know you're still in it so it's hard to process but do you think this is

this is

a thing where

the Spirit is pouring out for a renewal of faith, calling out for a renewal of faith?

Is it a thing because there's so much darkness in the world?

What do you, or is it just a personal thing and everyone approaches it differently?

I think it's all of those things.

And I think, you know, I remember my freshman year was when COVID hit and our community was totally divided.

And I remember we would just say, like, oh, how could this get any worse?

And now there are thousands of people here and we're just all together.

And it's just the opposite.

And so now we're saying, like, oh, how could this get any better?

And I think all those things you said are true.

I think that we're hungry and desperate for community and for God.

And I think that that is different for everyone.

I mean, there's people coming for physical healing, for freedom from anxiety and depression.

And

the Holy Spirit is for everyone.

And he's very busy.

I'll say that.

He's very busy.

Yeah.

Yeah, especially now.

Especially now.

Yeah.

Well, thank you so much.

And

please thank the people in your town for creating the atmosphere where the Spirit could dwell.

And especially your university.

I've not heard of your university before, but I am going to look into your university now.

I just,

it takes a very different place for this to happen in today's world.

Yeah, on the one hand, it does.

And then on the other hand, it just takes someone who asks God for it.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Thank you for saying that.

And I will pass that along, especially to President Brown.

And I just appreciate the chance to talk about it.

Thanks, Allison.

Appreciate it.

That is from the university called Asbury University.

She's the student body president, Allison Perfader, about

something remarkable that is happening in Kentucky today.

To me,

this story gives me more hope than any anti-ESG story or anything else that I am passionate about.

This story is truly, to me the biggest story of the week and may end up being one of the biggest stories of this time period.

This is a really good thing.

Pray for them and just join them in prayer.

Gather, even if you're not anywhere around there.

Join them in prayer.

You can find out more at asbury.edu.