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Yesterday, there was a confidential top secret secret briefing in Washington.

A few of my friends were in attendance.

None of them will tell me exactly what happened,

but they will tell you that they were confused.

And this should not happen in an intelligence briefing.

This is top secret in a skiff.

You walk in, you're a senator, you're a congressman, and you're part of a very select group of people that are sitting there listening to the Director of National Intelligence giving you everything we know.

You should not walk out of that room confused unless our administration is confused.

My question is, are they?

Too many questions.

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We go to Senator Mike Lee.

Hello, Senator.

How are you, sir?

Doing great.

Thank you very much, Glenn.

I want to give you a couple of headlines.

U.S.

intercepts four Russian warplanes yesterday near Alaska.

The next headline, U.S.

warns it will defend the Philippines after Chinese laser was shot at their Coast Guard.

Let's see here.

Norway warns of growing importance of Russian nuclear deterrent.

China's President Zi.

conveyed his support yesterday for Iran during a visit from the first visit from the Iranian

prime minister.

We are not in good shape.

Do you and members of the intelligence committee have any idea

what's going on?

Well, we know some things are going on.

We know certain things are happening, but there's a whole lot we don't know.

And in particular, there's a whole lot we don't know about the so-called objects brought down by fighter jets firing missiles over the weekend.

And that was the focus of yesterday's classified briefing.

Okay, so, Mike,

we hear balloons.

We hear that they now, the Pentagon came out yesterday after your briefing and said, well, you know what?

It's nothing.

These are probably just commercial balloons.

But we have the Canadians sending out the hazmat teams to look for this.

And we hear this morning that they are UAPs which I guess could be balloons but usually those are you know something solid these were the size of of cars

and they weren't balloons they were metal is that true

yeah so first of all we don't really know what they are I don't know how they claim now to know what their nature is, whether they're commercial, military, or from some other origin, because they haven't found them.

I suspect at this point that they're theorizing on what it might be.

That was what was so frustrating yesterday is they held this classified briefing to tell us about what happened.

And they showed up and basically said, we don't know what happened.

We had all hoped and expected, based on public statements, that they had covered what was left of these objects and that they were studying them.

They haven't found them, at least as of yesterday when they they briefed us.

They hadn't found them.

They still don't really know what they are.

So wait, did they show you video?

I don't know what you can and can't say.

No.

Come on, we launched missiles.

We know we have the video from the cockpits.

We know that.

We repeatedly asked them about that.

Can you show us anything by the way, a photographic

documentation of it, video footage, anything like that?

They said, yeah, we've got some that really isn't useful because the objects are so small, so far away, that the resolution doesn't really do anything for us.

Then why would we shoot them down?

It's an excellent question.

So

we shot them down, not knowing what they were, just based on their altitude.

We just knew that they were there.

But

I still can't fathom why it made sense to scramble fighter jets, shoot missiles at them, bring them down.

when we have no idea what they are.

So they're apparently not that concerned about it, it or else they'd be frantic and they're not that.

We found out last night that the United States government had been tracking that Chinese balloon for over a week.

Once it was launched from China, we locked onto it and tracked it.

Did they tell you that yesterday?

There are things in there that I probably shouldn't repeat from what I know, but

it's safe to say that we did know before this thing hit the United States that it was in the air.

We were aware of it, and we knew what was happening.

And so at that moment, they really should have brought the thing down.

And at whatever moment they realized that it was coming onto the United States and that it had the ability to collect data, they should have brought it down.

We kept hearing last week about the fact that, well, you know, it wouldn't have been safe to bring it down over the United States.

Nonsense.

Look, even at 60,000 feet, these things don't have a glide capacity.

They're balloons.

And so if you puncture the balloon, it's going to head straight down.

Now, yes, there's a debris field, but there is a lot of space between Alaska, off the coast of Alaska,

to be clear.

and the rest of the United States, where there are miles and miles around, where there are no people.

And they should have brought it down.

Here's what I think.

What I suspect is that these were makeup calls.

They were compensating this last weekend for what they didn't do the previous week, which was take bold aggressive action.

Only they took the bold aggressive action, it seems, on the wrong objects at the wrong time.

Are we going to know?

Do you think we're ever going to know this?

I certainly hope so.

It seems almost

unbelievable to me that we shot down three of these things over the weekend.

We didn't recover any of them.

And if there was no immediate threat, as there apparently was, the explanation we've heard is that it entered the space where aviation happens.

Yeah, okay, fine.

That's understandable.

Sometimes you need to bring things down, but there was no immediate threat.

If that being the case, why couldn't they use a different kind of aircraft?

Right.

One that could observe it up close

before shooting it down.

You can't really do that with a fighter jet traveling at the speed of sound.

I mean, it's like it is like our government is being run by

Mrs.

Hoffelmeier's fourth grade class.

I mean,

and just the boys, because the girls would be a little smarter.

The boys, it's just like, let's blow it up out of the sky.

This is crazy talk.

There is another possibility here that they are using this, whatever it is, that they are using this to get people off of the Nord Stream pipeline story from Seymour Hirsch.

And I don't know how much you can talk about it or what,

what you

know, but Mike, I find this extraordinarily concerning because there's only a few countries that could do it.

None of them really had the incentive or they would have let us know.

If it was another country, would you have gotten a briefing on that, do you think, if they would have told us?

It's hard to say.

We don't necessarily get those briefings just because they feel like it.

Usually it's because a member is asking, or because there's been national news about something, and they decide they need to brief all members.

I'll tell you, I haven't gotten a briefing on this.

I'm trying to get one.

All this, of course,

goes back to this this report published by journalist Seymour Hirsch last week

indicating that,

according to his story,

there were specialized U.S.

Navy teams that planted explosives there and that the United States was responsible.

I don't know whether this is true.

I'm trying to ascertain whether it's true.

But I will say this.

We need to approach a near-peer nuclear-armed geopolitical adversary with extreme caution.

And so I would like to think that if we were going to do something like this, there would be some sort of clear authorization from Congress.

You see, the chief executive, the president of the United States, commander-in-chief and all, doesn't have the ability to take us to war.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that doing this,

not just to Russia, a nuclear-armed near-peer geopolitical adversary,

it's also an attack on France and on Germany that affects a lot of Europe.

I would like to think they'd get congressional authorization of some sort before doing that.

Well, he said that there was a way around that because

obviously they should have done that if we were involved.

I just don't believe that

all of the allies with all of our technology and everything else, we can't figure out, okay, it looks like it's probably these people.

I personally, because they're so zipped up about it, it's got to come from the West.

And the only ones that can do it really are France or us or Great Britain, and those guys wouldn't do it.

But, you know,

you look at this, Mike, and

even if that's not true,

can we find out if anything in that report is true, far as that there are Z secret to seal teams that can be trained off the books so Congress doesn't know about it?

Yeah, look, I think

there are a lot of details,

at least enough details in the Seymour Hirsch piece, that this should be fairly

amenable to being proven or disproven, because either certain things match up or they don't.

It may be easier to disprove than to prove, but I think that can get us a lot of the way there.

And yeah, there are others who could have done it.

I mean, in theory, it could have been China.

Perhaps China wanted to make sure that it had access to more of Russia's natural gas and that it could get it at a lower price.

In theory, it could have been China.

And there are a handful of others who it could have been.

But this is worrisome to me, Glenn, for the simple reason.

Look, I don't know Seymour Hirsch.

I'm not familiar with any of the facts alleged in his report.

But there are a couple of things that worry me.

Number one, on February 9th, 2022, President Biden during a press conference said that if

Russia attacks Ukraine,

there will no longer be a Nord Strain 2.

The journalist who had asked him the question about what he meant was doing her job and followed up and said, what do you mean by that?

That pipeline's

not under our control.

And he reassured her, believe me, we have the means to do it, and

it'll be done.

It will not exist.

So when you couple that with the fact that in this country, we have for a long time seen overreaches by the executive to the point where a lot of people just accept now that in the name of a clandestine operation, the United States can effectively wage war without an act of Congress authorizing it.

That really does concern me.

It's not that I am certain that we did this.

It is, I'm certainly not.

It's not that I can verify the Hirsch article.

It is.

I can't.

But it's that it really troubles me that I can't immediately rule it out.

And you can't get a briefing on it.

All right.

Hang on just a second, Mike, because when we come back, I want to ask you, do we want to know?

Stu and I were talking about this this morning, and we were like,

you know, the blue pill might be the one to take on this because

this is

a impeachable, maybe worse.

It is

an act of war.

I don't know know anybody that's going to fight against Russia

if they attack us because we blew up the pipeline, Europe, I mean, the world will hate us.

And it means war.

So I don't know.

Do we want to know?

And we'll come back with Mike Lee for that answer in a minute.

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All right, Mike Lee, do we want to know?

Look,

I think the American people do deserve to be in charge of their government.

I agree with that.

It is very much a mixed bag because, as you alluded to before the break,

the answer to this question, if it turns out that the United States was responsible, has very dire consequences.

And

I'm not even talking yet about what happens within our government, what the consequences there might be.

But I think that's this

rise to

more than an impeachable offense?

Quite possibly, yes.

I believe it does.

Because if you go to such great lengths to engage in an attack, a provocative, offensive attack on a near-peer, nuclear-armed geopolitical adversary.

And you do so

in a manner that violates our Constitution because that's, as I see it anyway, it seems to me like an act of war.

Last I checked.

War can't be just declared, just decided by a president.

And sure, I know clandestine operations happen.

Discrete military strikes are something different

than something provocative on this scale that inevitably lead to, and in fact, are are war

so if we would find out that this is even a real possibility um

what happens what do we do how do we tell our allies how do we tell russia so we can kind of before we say it say i'm going to tell you something but you got to promise not to be mad

uh i mean we've got to you know in that case yeah we have to promise that you're not going to launch a nuclear strike.

How do we tell them this?

I don't know.

I don't know.

That's part of what makes this such a difficult thing.

But one thing I do know is that ignorance is never something that's going to put us in a position of strength.

No.

And I do think it's important that we get answers on this.

I would like to know.

And whether we end up finding out or not, whether this thing is buried so far,

so deep by the military intelligence industrial complex in Washington that we can't get to it, whether we find out or not whether we did it or not, I think it's very important for us to have this national conversation.

Because for decades, we've seen this gradual

accretion of power within the executive branch when it comes to the war powers.

And increasingly, Glenn, the way wars are fought these days,

you don't typically have soldiers lined up on a battlefield in corresponding parallel columns.

No,

you've got stuff like this.

This is war in the 21st century.

And so we need to have a national conversation about the fact that today, as at the time of the founding,

we need our Congress, the people's representatives, to make the decision about going to war.

And clandestine operations need to be reined in to something truly discreet.

This one wasn't.

Mike Lee, thank you so much for everything you're doing.

And we pray for you and we'll keep you in our prayers for your safety as you continue to go down this road.

Thank you.

Hey, thanks, Glenn.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

Do you want to know?

It's almost as if if we don't...

If it did happen and we don't expose it, then we get what we deserve.

Yeah, I mean, of course, I want to know, but there's that feeling of, you know, I mean, of course, you know, Russia knows, if our media is starting to know, then Russia knows too.

The question is, if it becomes public and it becomes obvious to everybody, then Russia has to respond to

do something for their own people.

And that response, even if it is,

you know,

maybe the people can temper our response to theirs.

You know what I mean?

Like, okay, we deserve that.

It's a dark road, though.

It's a very dark road.

Very dark road.

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We have Congressman Chris Stewart on with us now.

He is a military veteran and

also a member of the Intel community, and he is going to tell us what he can about the briefing that they had yesterday about these UFO balloons that no one has claimed so far.

Yesterday, all of a sudden, on a dime, the Pentagon starts saying, oh, no, these were probably balloons commercial and we just blew them up and no big deal.

What the hell is that?

Wait, you just spent days telling telling us these were possibly dangerous UFOs.

Chris Stewart joins us now.

Hello, Chris.

Good morning, Glenn.

Did you walk out with an understanding of what's going on?

No, no one did.

And honestly, you say, I'm going to tell you what I can tell you, and I can tell you everything.

It was an unclassified briefing, and very, very little information was shared.

I mean,

I can't think of a recent example where so much has been said about so little.

And And at the end of the day, you kind of scratch your head and go, well, these guys don't know what they are.

And honestly, Glenn, I think they're happy for the diversion.

In fact, I know that they are, because instead of talking about the Chinese spy balloon that they botched completely and the policy that should surround that, we're speculating and talking about UFOs and weather balloons.

And again, they're happy to have that conversation rather than the more significant one of the previous week.

Well, I want to talk to you about two things from the previous week that I do believe this is working out well, but I just want to get to as much of the bottom of this as we can.

We had Crenshaw coming out yesterday, and he said that

these were

UAPs.

Now, UAPs are usually what we used to call UFOs.

They're not balloons.

And he said they were the size of an ATV.

They were hard to detect.

At least two of them were.

Did you, are these balloons or

do we really not know what they are?

How are they describing these?

Yeah, they described them as UAPs as well.

And by the way, why did we change it from UFO?

Why does it have to be complicated?

UFOs worked fine, and now we all struggle to go, okay, what does UAP mean?

That's how they describe them.

I think they probably were

balloons.

And let me tell you why.

And again, I don't know that, but common sense kind of leads to that conclusion.

The fact that they were so difficult to detect by radar would make sense and fall in line with them being balloons.

Because balloons won't reflect for radar.

And for radar to work, especially on a fighter aircraft,

there has to be motion.

There has to be speed in the target.

That's actually what the radar is detecting.

And these balloons were so slow.

that that's often why they missed them or why they would have anomalies where they'd see them for a short time and then not see them again.

So over the last week or so, they tuned some of the radars down and by that they're able to pick up some of these slower flying objects, which once again leads me to believe they were likely balloons.

But that doesn't mean they weren't nefarious.

I think it's possible, in fact, my own conclusion from the entirety of what I know is they probably were, once again, smaller Chinese spy balloons, that these guys just decided to

flood the zone, if you will, while we were kind of looking.

And there's only one reason for doing that, or at least one main political reason.

And that's really kind of to poke us in the eye and to say, yeah, you shot down this big one, but we've got others, and we're going to send them over there when we want to.

I don't know that that's true, and no one knows if that's true or not, but I don't think that's an unreasonable conclusion based on what we do know.

So let's talk about what we,

what they would like to us not to talk about, and that is the incompetence.

We found found out last night that the United States was monitoring that spy balloon

up to a week before it entered our airspace.

We, I guess, locked onto it just after its launch.

So we knew what it was the entire time.

Right.

We knew what it was, and we also knew where it was going.

Those winds aloft are very predictable.

They don't vary much.

And you can track a route where that balloon is going to go.

We would have known within probably a few hundred miles and maybe within a few dozen miles where that balloon would end up.

And you know, the interesting thing about this, and the thing that should concern us, is two things.

Number one, they weren't going to tell the American people, hey, there's a very sophisticated Chinese spy balloon loitering over Maelstrom Air Force Base, one of our missile fields.

And the second thing, Glenn, they were still going to send Anthony Blinken to China.

They were not going to say anything, and they were not going to protest.

They were still going to send him to China at a time when China had deliberately timed this balloon to be over our nation when he was going to be in China.

Talk about a poke in the eye.

Talk about a power play to say, Yeah, we'll host your secretary, but while we do, look what we're going to put over some of your most sensitive military installations.

Unbelievable to me, the administration didn't shoot it down before it entered over our mainland airspace.

I mean, Chris, this makes sense, though,

if you're testing what our president president actually believes in.

You know, he says that the biggest geopolitical threat to the world is global warming.

So

he's got his guy going over to talk about global warming.

And the Chinese are like, well, does he really believe this is the biggest geopolitical threat?

Because if he does, he won't shoot it down.

And once he doesn't shoot it down, the Chinese know everything they need to know.

That's exactly right, Gray.

And the amazing thing is they actually do believe that.

I mean,

there's other examples of where their relationship with China is such a priority, not because of trade, not because of threat towards Taiwan, not because of any of the other concerns we have, but because they want to bring China around and to our line of thinking about climate change.

And they can't do that if that relationship is stressed.

So they actually believe that the greatest threat facing humanity is climate change.

You know, the fact that the Earth may be a fifth of a degree warmer in 100 years.

And in the meanwhile, the short-term threats, they'll completely ignore.

And you said it was a test, and the president failed that test.

He didn't do anything to interfere with this surveillance.

Aaron Powell, Jr.:

Are we seeing the beginning of an Axis power with China, Russia, now Iran?

Yesterday,

President Z

welcomed him into the international community of really dark countries.

Yeah, I think not only are we seeing the beginning of it, this is somewhere in the mid-phase of that axis of power.

Very clearly they're aligned.

Now, we have one real advantage over Russia and China and Iran and others, and that is

we can actually forge alliances, we can forge partnerships, and it's done out of mutual benefit.

They can't.

They have to compel those alliances.

There's no one who truly wants to be

an ally of Russia.

It's a transactional relationship, but they have formed that transactional relationship with each other because the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and they have the common enemy of that being the United States and Western democracy is the thing they want to destroy.

I was reading a story today about how China is, they believe, preparing for war, preparing its people for war.

And that could be just Taiwan, but they don't have the capability to go in touch to Taiwan right now, do they?

Probably not,

but it's not years away.

It's not a decade away.

And it's hard to know because they're actually very, very good at deception and misalignment.

You know, it's hard for us to know what their actual capabilities are because they can hide it pretty well.

But there is a gap right now between their capabilities.

And at the same time, Taiwan is trying to increase its own defense capabilities.

And when China begins to see that gap close, Taiwan's ability to defend themselves begin to catch up with their capabilities, that's the moment of danger.

That's the thing that they would take advantage of.

But there's more to that, Glenn, and that is they surely look at the U.S.

leadership and they go, when is the right opportunity and under what leadership and what circumstances politically in the United States do we want to make this move?

And very, very clear to me that they look at this president as someone who is weak and someone that they could that they could manage and someone who is not going to be nearly as strong as any of the potential Republican candidates who could win in 2024.

Is this what we're facing right now?

This is a possible World War III, possible knockout punch.

I mean, this is not anything that we've faced in our lifetime.

I mean, you know, maybe the Cuban Missile Crisis, but

this is a big one, isn't it?

Yeah, I think that's true.

And I mean, neither one of us wants to be overly dramatic.

It doesn't do any good to cry wolf and have it not be a wolf, have it be a puppy dog, right?

But the signs on this are just so clear.

You have to be blind or willingly unwilling to

look at the examples.

And so I think we've probably seen it in our lifetime going back to the 1980s détente with President Reagan, President Gorbachev at the time, and a couple of others.

But it really is like that moment.

And I would say

probably even more dangerous than that time was because Russia actually wanted to have

a bit of an understanding between the U.S.

and Russia.

And it doesn't appear that China does.

Chris, thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

We'll talk again.

Thank you, sir.

You bet.

God bless.

A recent memo that was leaked from the head of the U.S.

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had a startling statement in it.

The Air Force general said he believes we will be at war with China in two years.

You know, I think we've been at war with China for decades, but they're the only ones fighting it.

My hope is that this Chinese spy balloon, you know, is finally waking people up in Washington, and we are now looking at our situation, and we'll have cool and calm and adult heads at the table.

But tonight, I'm going to show you some of the unconventional ways China has been waging a Cold War in our country.

The Chinese actually wrote the playbook quite a while ago in their own words.

I will show you what they are doing.

It is

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It involves Hollywood, drugs, the media, technology, the economy, everything.

It's from the Chinese Communist Party and nothing is out of bounds.

All of it is in play right now.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

Seeing that the unified command seems to be the collection of people up at the top, including the railway and all of their affiliates.

Right.

It's worded in a way.

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We're not talking about the actual accident.

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Hey, Unified Command is here.

Yeah, right.

We're just sampling the air.

That's the thing, though.

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That should be something we should implement here.

Yeah, you know, you have to wear a black mask like Darth Vader if you are part of that.

Yeah, if you're a bad guy, wear a dark mask.

It makes it so much easier for us to understand.

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Wait.

There's some both sides covered.

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I want you to stick around for a few minutes.

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Hello, Peter.

How are you?

You know, I don't think I've ever been introduced as Mr.

Rainbows and Sunshine.

Well, you've never been on this show where

we don't tend to have an optimistic look at what's coming our way.

But I was listening to you, I think it was on the Rogan show, and I was listening to you, and

you actually made me feel better.

And

I'd just like you to tell us your view of what's coming, the end of globalization, but also

the end of China, because you say that's imminent.

Well, that's a whole batch of things to bush together into a small chunk, but let me do my best.

There's two things that have dominated and created our world.

Step one is in 1945, the Americans found themselves facing down Stalin and Europe.

We're like, oh, we do not want to tangle with this guy alone.

We need allies to stand between us and the Soviet forces.

But World War II had been the most destructive conflict in human history, and the only allies were countries that had barely survived it.

So we needed to provide something to induce them to not cut a separate deal with the Soviets.

And we came up with globalization.

Before globalization, everyone was kind of left to their own in terms of development.

And if you had iron, ore, and coal, and food

and oil, you could industrialize.

But if you didn't have all those things, you were probably a colony.

Well, with globalization, you now only needed one.

and you could trade for the others.

And so we all started to develop and industrialize and urbanize together.

After 75 years, that has brought us the global system we now know with global finance and global energy and global supply chains and global infrastructure and global agriculture.

And so we have a population of 9 billion people, 8 billion people, excuse me, living more wealthy than any other period in human history.

Correct.

With small countries and big countries all in the Melu together.

But as we've made that transition, we've changed the way we live.

Pre-industrialization, we all lived on subsistence farms.

But as these new industrial jobs became available, we took them and they were all in the cities.

Well, in the countryside, kids are free labor.

You have as many as you can and then maybe one more because that's how you know you've had too many.

You move into town, you live in a condo and kids are just sources of migraines.

So you have one or two, maybe, maybe, maybe three.

You play that forward for 75 years.

And it's not that we're running out of children globally.

That happened 30 years ago.

It's that we're now running out of working-aged adults.

Also,

the Americans created globalization as a security ploy.

Cold War ended 30 years ago.

We're out of that business.

So, the security underpinnings that allow trade to happen are mostly gone.

And the consumption that is done by young people is almost gone.

And this was always going to be the decade that both of these trends broke at the same time.

Now, China specifically is the perfect manifestation of what sort of glory

demographic change and globalized security can bring to a country.

Because for the first time in their history, they weren't preyed upon by the outsiders.

They were able to consolidate internally, and they were able to use their large population to create an economies of scale to take advantage of the global environment.

That had never happened to them before.

You pass forward that to today, however, and the Americans have lost interest in maintaining the trade, returning a little bit more nationalist on the Chinese specifically, and their demographic transition was the fastest in human history.

And according to the newest data we have, not only did they overcount their population by about 100 million people, they now have more people in their 60s, than their 50s, in their 40s, and in their 30s, in their 20s.

And so we are looking at abject demographic collapse in the Chinese space this decade.

And that assumes that none of the Chinese dependencies on the American Navy to import and export become a problem.

So we're really looking at a simultaneous crisis here in China that is demographic, that is political, that is cultural, that is agricultural, that is in trade, that is in finance, all at the same time.

And there is no way they walk away from this.

So you believe that, I mean, what is all the positioning now with the, you know, the balloons and the tough talk?

What's happening there with President Z?

Because on the surface, he looks rock solid in control.

I think you would say to the average person,

who is the next leader of the world?

And they'd all say China.

But you're saying the opposite.

Yeah, it's not going to be.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, we're going to think of China 20 years from now, kind of like we think of

the Soviet Union today.

It had a good run and then it just imploded.

Let's see, what's the best way to put this?

Chairman G,

ruling China is a difficult task.

There's a lot of different geographies.

It doesn't hold together well.

Yes, China, using air quotes here on China, has existed in some form for 3,000 years, but it's only been unified in roughly the shape we recognize today for a total of 300 of those years.

Half of that's under the Mongol occupation.

And the remainder, most of that is under the American-led globalized system, where we basically said colonization is no longer kosher.

Excuse me,

get some water here.

Anyway, the only way that you can kind of rule the space is to purge the system of competiting political and economic influences.

And Xi started that process 10 years ago and more or less completed the purge of the political system five years ago.

But then he spent the last five years purging the bureaucracy of any potential power centers that could challenge him.

And in doing so, he's gotten rid of everyone in the country that is competent.

So now it is just him.

And in many ways, he's kind of become what Donald Trump always wanted to be.

He's got the adoration from people below the zealot, and he's got the voices in his head, and that's how he rules, and there's absolutely nothing in between.

And that means we're seeing policy collapses across the entire system.

And the balloon situation is a good example.

So under COVID, the Chinese Chinese were carrying out this very hateful foreign policy that they kind of called Wolf Warrior, which is basically China is right, you're wrong, you're stupid, you're going to die, and China's going to take over everything.

So when you hear people saying that they think China is going to dominate, that's Wolf Warrior diplomacy kind of working behind the scenes.

There's not a lot behind it, but

it riles people up.

Well, It led to some of the greatest foreign policy disasters in China's history.

So the Biden administration has killed the Chinese semiconductor sector.

They are dependent upon the Russians for energy, but the Russian energy cannot be produced over the long term by the Russians.

So they know there's an energy crisis in their future.

They're experiencing an outbreak of something called African swine fever, which is endangering their food supplies.

Their financial system is basically a really, really badly run Enron or subprime at scale.

And so they see all of these pressures, and Xi knows that the jig is almost up.

And so starting about two to three months ago, he started forcing the bureaucracy because he has to have one-on-one conversations anymore.

You can't just say stuff and make it happen because all the competent people are gone.

He started tilting things towards a more productive or at least less hostile direction.

And as a result, Secretary Blinken was about to go to China.

Well, when you don't have a functional bureaucracy, when you don't have functional communication within your own government, all it takes is one dude who thinks he's doing the great leader's will to throw things off.

And we now know from our communications with the Chinese that Xi didn't know about the balloon.

And the foreign ministry didn't know about the balloon.

And it looks like hardly anyone in the military knew about the balloon.

That means it was just some dumbass in the intelligence services who thought that this is what was necessary and so slapped it together and sent it off.

And it led to a complete diplomatic meltdown with the United States.

Even if you're of the belief that Biden is ultimately looking for a way to

live with the Chinese, events like this at a minimum are going to push back the date where we can even think about that for three to six months.

And to be perfectly blunt, China doesn't have a lot of time.

All right, which leads me to

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Okay, so you say

that China doesn't have an awful lot of time.

It doesn't have, you know, six months to wait.

If your theory is correct, what stops them from being even more dangerous right now?

Well, one of the things to keep in mind, well, I think it's great to compare what's going on in the Russian space to what's going on in the Chinese space.

So from the Russian point of view, their population is dying out as well for a mix of reasons, some of which overlap.

And they feel that if they don't militarily act to get what they see as a more defensible perimeter now, that they will not have the military capacity to try it five, ten years down the line.

And they're right.

So there is a scenario where if Russia wins this war and a couple wars beyond it, they actually are in a better position strategically.

China doesn't have anything like that.

There is no country or series of countries within reach that they could conquer.

There is no war they could launch that would help.

This is a country that, unlike Russia, is based on the import of raw materials and the export of finished goods.

This is a country that imports almost all of the technology it needs and many of the intermediate parts.

It's best to think of China not as a manufacturing center, but as an assembly center.

And I don't say that to denigrate them.

It's just it's a different sort of economic model, and that means you have to have different support structures internationally in order to make it work.

And for China, it's all about the movement, and it's movement they can't control.

The U.S.

Navy may only have half as many ships as the Chinese, but our fleet is fully blue water.

Only 10% of the Chinese fleet in combat operations could sail more than 400 miles from the coast.

That's not enough to support a global mercantile empire.

We do that for them as part of globalization.

So even if they were to capture Taiwan without firing a shot, it really wouldn't solve anything because they import 75% of their energy and 80% of the materials that allow them to grow their own food.

So in any war scenario,

you put a couple of destroyers in the Indian Ocean Ocean basin, doesn't matter who you are, and you've destroyed the Chinese system, it'll die within six to 12 months, and you'll trigger a famine that will ultimately kill hundreds of millions of people.

That would be the end, and the Chinese know that.

Now,

that doesn't mean it's risk-free.

That doesn't mean I'm belittling what you're suggesting here.

There is a chance that it could happen, even though I don't think it's a very high one.

The Chinese admit to themselves that they're facing demographic, economic, agriculture, and trade crisis all at once that will tear their system down.

And I think they do realize that.

And there's something to be said for picking the time and the place of a war, even if you know you're going to lose, because it lets you write the narrative, even if it's one of national failure.

And if you're facing a deindustrialization collapse,

that might, might allow the CCP to persist as a political ruler of the system into whatever's next.

And so if you can guarantee your personal power for the low, low cost of 300 to 500 million dead Chinese from famine, that might

be worth the cost.

So

no mistake.

This is not a war of expansion.

So

I kind of feel like what everything you're saying about China could be said about us as well.

I feel you talk about the de-globalization, but that is the opposite of where you know, Build Back Better and all of that stuff is going.

There are these globalists that are still trying to cobble into an even bigger system, you know, of the West against the East

that I don't, I mean, they're not going down to the little local communities and saying, hey, let's all make sure that we're solid as local communities.

I'm really not worried about the United States.

So, number one, we have the best demography in the advanced world and a better demography than most of the developing world.

At current rates of aging, we will be younger on average than the Mexicans, the Indians, the Indonesians, and the Brazilians at some point in the early 2050s.

We became younger on average than the Chinese over a decade ago.

In addition, the United States created global trade.

And one of the conditions in order to induce countries to join our security network was that we wouldn't take advantage of that.

So as a percent of GDP, we are the least involved with the major economies in the world.

And most of our economic integration is with Mexico and Canada.

That's like almost half of our total.

So if you factor that out, as a percent of GDP, our total exposure to the entire world is less than 10% of GDP.

And a big chunk of that has to do with the shale revolution and energy exports.

Take that out, you slim it down even more.

Our weakness in, also we're the world's largest producer of oil and the world's largest producer and and exporter of foodstuffs.

Our biggest weakness is in electronics manufacture.

And if China were to disappear tomorrow, yeah, that's going to be a pain in the ass.

We're going to have to rebuild that from scratch.

We're going to have to double the size of the industrial plant over the course of the next five years.

And if you think we have an inflation problem now, just wait till we lose access to Chinese goods and we have to build out our own system.

But

that will generate the fastest economic growth in the history of our country.

And when it is done, we will have more reliable partners closer to home with shorter supply chains that use less energy and use workers that are local and sell to consumers that are local.

This is a good story.

And all we have to do is build up ourselves to make it happen.

All right.

I've only got

a couple of minutes left, and I just want to make sure that I push back a bit.

There are several critics of yours that say, you know, you've been saying this since 2005, that they were going to collapse, et cetera, et cetera.

How would you answer that?

The hardest part of geopolitics, especially demography, is timing.

One of the problems with geography,

one of the problems with demography is this has never happened before.

We've never had global aging.

What I've described for China is an extreme case, but it's happening everywhere.

So n equals zero historically for points of comparison.

The reason why this is the decade that I think it's really going to go down is this is the decade where not just China, but a lot of other countries literally age into mass retirement.

And this is no longer enough people under 30 to even theoretically repopulate.

This is pretty much what happened to Japan, right?

I mean, in the 80s, everybody thought Japan was going to take over the world, and then all of a sudden just Japan just fell off the map.

Absolutely.

Part of that was a debt issue, which the Chinese have is actually a bigger debt issue.

Part of it is demographic.

But the two big differences between the Japanese and the Chinese.

Japan saw this coming 30 years ago and took steps to boost their birth rate and relocate industrial plant to better locations like the United States.

They're as prepared as they can be, right?

China's done none of that.

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We are talking to geopolitical strategist.

He has

worked with Stratford, etc.

He consults major companies and countries.

He's the author of a book, The End of the World is Just the Beginning.

His name is Peter Zyne.

And he says that China is

a long-term paper tiger that we don't have to worry about.

Short-term, correct me if

I get any of this wrong here, Peter, but short-term,

they could get ugly, but long term,

they're nothing to worry about.

Correct?

I'm far more concerned about the consequences of the Chinese collapse than any sort of war.

Okay.

So let's just tie this into, you know, the global market and the way globalization has worked.

You change...

any of this stuff and you're in trouble.

Peter, do you think when you look back at the globalization as an experiment, if you would, do you look at it as mostly a success, mostly a failure?

Or can you not even really describe it with those terms?

I think from most points of view, it's been a success.

So from the American point of view, it was a security program to prevent war in Europe and a nuclear exchange.

And in that, it created the greatest alliance in history.

And that is why even the Germans today are, you know, shockingly with the program on the Russians.

From an economic point of view, we expanded the population to 8 billion people and it's the wealthiest the world has ever been, the safest the world has ever been, the most healthy the world has ever been.

So I don't mean to suggest it's all been good, but it has been a really good run historically speaking.

And now it's just not working because of the COVID breakdown or it's just not useful anymore?

COVID definitely sped up the decline, but from the American point of view, you use the right word, it's no longer useful.

We created globalization in order to build an alliance to fight the Soviets, and the Soviets are gone.

And even with the Russians kind of having this moment,

all of the security deals that the Biden administration is striking with everyone around the world are just that.

They're security.

There's no economic side to it.

We are not interested in the United States, economic,

strategically, or politically, in a Bretton Woods 2.0.

It's just not happening.

But most importantly, that demographic aging that industrialization and urbanization created has now passed the point of no return.

So, that this specific economic model is on its last legs independent of what we might think politically.

We're going to have to come up with something new, and that means countries with better geographies and better demographic structures are going to have their day.

And the United States is at the very top of that very short list.

All right.

So,

how would you describe then the

Great Reset or the World Economic Forum or the UN Agenda 2030, all of this stuff that is forging even stronger alliances with international banking and everything else.

Well, let me give you three things.

Number one, in the United States, our political system is going through its once-a-generation reshuffling, where the factions that make up the parties move around.

And the business community was kicked out of the Republican coalition by Donald Trump.

So they are kind of in the wilderness.

So any sort of international finance or business connections that we may have had at one point are no longer within the political decision-making apparatus.

So there is not really a lobbying group within the United States for globalization in general.

Second, anything that involves the United Nations that is not the Security Council is incapable of pushing the agenda forward at all because it doesn't have the political support of the countries that matter.

So I would put that to the side completely.

And then third, the World Economic Forum crowd, I think it's most useful to think of Klaus Schwab

as a DJ who throws a really big party once a year that everyone wants to go to, and it's nothing more than that.

Yes, they've got their seminars, but mostly this is rich people doing the equivalent of body shots.

Oh, Peter, I couldn't disagree with you more on a lot of that.

I'm sorry.

No policy is coming from this.

And the countries that have the ability to go it their own way, places like the United States or Japan or France, just don't swim in that pond.

So you're talking about a political system.

Well, our president did use.

Don't actually have economic power.

The president did use, and so did Japan, so did France, so did

England.

They all use the World Economic Forum structure and even their slogan, Build Back Better, in 2020.

And a lot of that stuff has been passed and has passed through our financial sector through ESG.

But I don't want to get bogged down into this.

We just disagree.

Peter,

the thing that is going to, what do we have to do to keep our communities going from the impact of all of this?

That is something that requires policy shifts, not at the global or even the national level, but mostly at the local.

And for this, the United States is really well set up.

One of the major things about globalization was it created an economic and security structure globally that allowed countries that historically speaking hadn't been able to play the game to play the game because no longer did they have to worry about defending themselves or their trade routes and they could access a world full of markets and resources as if they had won World War II.

For most of the world, it was great.

But if you had a good geography to begin with, that put you at a severe disadvantage because all of a sudden there was all this indirectly subsidized competition.

That competition is now going away.

And a lot of the global industrial buildout that we have seen over the last 75 years, which gave birth to some of the political movements that you've just identified, that is breaking down, leaving it to the places that are more functional geographically and demographically to do really well.

And so for the United States, not only is that most of our territory, we are also a federalized system where the localities and the state governments have just as much power as the federal government.

So state governments and localities who are willing to put their eyes on the future are already taking steps to change the regulatory structure, to build out infrastructure, to attract new residents, and to get pieces of these industrial supply chains that are looking for a new home.

And places like Texas have been extraordinarily successful in that, but it's not like it's just

limited to the lone star state.

I would say overall, the American South probably has the best set of policy for attracting some of this money and getting scared investors, whether it's from Germany or Korea or whatnot, to set up assembly and manufacturing plants across their territory.

Even California is getting in on the act a little bit, if you can imagine it.

Once you get out of the big coastal cities and kind of go into the next range of cities that are like on the edge of the LA Basin, you've got population centers that used to be bedroom communities that are remaking themselves to participate in some of these systems, particularly in aerospace.

So

this isn't just a good story.

It's dozens of good stories embedded in the way Americans prefer to be governed.

And this is the part that I really enjoyed hearing from you.

That, I mean, I think there is all over the world,

just like President Z, people in power know that that power is going to be challenged because everything that provided them power and money and everything else is breaking apart.

And so they are tightening the screws

as hard as they can on people to try to control them.

I think the people are waking up all around the world knowing, wait, that none of the stuff that you're doing is making any kind of common sense.

We need to take care of ourselves here in our own communities, our own farmers, et cetera, et cetera.

And, you know, if that happens,

then I think we make it and we make it

with flying colors as America usually does.

How bad is the transition?

Could the transition get here?

And

when does the average American understand that's all over?

Globalization?

I'd argue that the transition started several years ago.

We had eight years of Barack Obama where we basically didn't have a president and we had no foreign policy, we had no economic policy, and that sort of abdication of responsibility really accelerated the breakup of globalization because it does require a functioning American system in order to keep all the pieces working.

Then we had four years of Donald Trump and to the degree that Donald Trump involved himself with governing, it was usually to take a mallet to things, and he really didn't like globalization in the first place.

Now we've got Biden who is going through Trump's old tweets and turning them into formal policies.

And so it's crazy that Biden and Trump are the two most similar presidents we've ever had on issues of international economic policy.

And we're basically taking Trump's instincts on things like China and trade and building them into the bureaucracy so deeply that it doesn't matter who the next president is.

So if you are on the right, I don't think you're going to admit to yourself that this old system is broken and is not coming back until we get to the next presidency.

On the left, I think there's an understanding that we have passed the Rubicon.

The only reason I say on the right, it might take a little bit longer, is no one wants to be perceived as giving Biden the credit for it, even if it did start a president before him.

Biden is the one who's really nailing this down.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah,

you mean as killing it.

It's a final nail in the coffin.

Yeah.

Basically, Donald Trump provided the intellectual scaffolding to build the nails, and Biden is the one using them.

Yeah, maybe for

maybe for opposite reasons, but the globalization part.

Honestly, when we're talking about the breakdown of the global system, I'm not sure the rationale really matters.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.

I agree.

I agree.

Peter, thank you very much.

I appreciate it.

God bless.

No problem.

The end of the world is just the beginning, geopolitical strategist Peter Zine.

Now, the reason why I wanted to have him on is because I'm not afraid of other people's opinions, especially when they disagree with me.

I hope I'm wrong.

Now, he's not sunshine and lollipops if you're just listening to him.

But if you compare him to what I say is coming, you know, that's good.

You brought him on as a sunshine and lollipop guy, and then he was talking about three or four hundred million people starving to death in China.

Well,

it went down a negative road pretty quickly.

But at least it's not, we're not bombing each other for hundreds of thousands of of years.

It's the Biden approach, like slightly better than the worst it's ever been.

That's his campaign slogan.

Yeah, right.

And by the way, it was also us when it was the worst it's ever been, but we're slightly better right now.

So elect me.

So

here's the thing.

I disagree with a lot of the stuff that he said,

but I think

he may have just blinders on when it comes to why would Z try to consolidate his power and get rid of everybody if, I mean, it's going to happen to the whole world.

That's my case on the World Economic Forum and

our individual leaders of our individual Western countries.

They know what's coming.

Quick, get the animals in the barn and lock the door.

That's what I believe is happening.

Now, when it comes to China, I believe they are, we are in a war.

I mean,

the head of the U.S.

Mobility Command came out.

He's an Air Force general.

He said just just last week, we will be at war with China in just two years.

And I think even Mr.

Sunshine Lollipops kind of said that's a possibility because they become very, very dangerous.

But we've been at a war with them.

We're just not fighting it.

They're the only ones.

I want to show you tonight on my Wednesday night special only on Blaze TV, the unconventional ways China has been waging a Cold War on our country.

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This is how we're going to destroy it.

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Stu, help me out here.

The Pentagon yesterday.

Okay, now, so let's just replay this.

Earlier this week, it's only Wednesday.

earlier this week, they were like, well, we can't rule out little green men.

Can't do it.

Like to.

Like to.

But I watched Mork from Ork.

That was a true story.

And we're probably shooting down alien spacecraft.

And the aliens did travel probably close to light speed, highly advanced society.

And they decided to come down and introduce themselves in hot air balloons.

Please.

That was Monday.

Yesterday,

they said,

yeah,

we think those balloons are probably,

they were private balloons, not tied to any spying at all.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

What?

These balloons now have nothing to do with China?

This is from the Pentagon?

No foreign intelligence.

What are we shooting down?

Well, they're probably private balloons.

And has has anybody called and said, hey, that was my balloon?

Did anybody say that?

No, but we definitely should.

We should definitely say the Glenn Hark program put up a balloon.

They shot it down.

Now they owe us millions of dollars.

Okay, so this is how you lose all credibility.

That Chinese balloon, just a weather balloon, and we just found out about it.

No, uh-uh, you knew about it.

Not since it penetrated the airspace in Alaska, like you told us last week.

No, no, no.

We now know you were monitoring it when it left China.

So

not going to give you a pass on that one.

So how many times have they lied to us on this story?

So what is it?

Remember, this story started right after Seymour Hirsch said,

yeah, I've got some pretty good evidence that

it was the United States, this administration doing a covert op

the laws of the United States.

And they blew up the pipeline.

You should just check that out.

Oh, look at the balloon.

Balloon.

Balloon, balloon, balloon.

And we're all talking about balloons.

Okay.

Now, I'd like to believe that,

you know, they actually mean anything that they say, but they don't.

They don't.

Why didn't you blow up the balloon?

Let's just take that one.

Well, because it's not a threat.

Okay.

How do you know that?

Whoa, we just found out about it.

No, you didn't.

Well, I mean,

we knew about it, you know, in Alaska.

No, no, you knew about it before.

Okay, well, yeah, but it's just a weather balloon.

How do you know that?

Chinese told us that.

And you trust them?

Well, I'm getting a lot of money.

I mean, I'm not getting a lot of money from them.

No, what are you talking about?

And we can't shoot it down over the United States because there's no place, there's not one inch of land between Montana and South Carolina that doesn't have people riddled all over it.

Yeah, there's lots of land.

Well, okay.

How many times did they lie just about that one thing?

And the press just reports it.

Last night, unfortunately, there was another shooting, this time at Michigan State University.

Biden came out: This is why we have to have strict gun control banning assault weapons.

We don't even know what kind of gun it was.

Maybe it was an assault weapon.

We don't know.

Maybe it was a John Wilkes Booth gun.

We don't know.

But here's something we do know that the press hasn't really been up to reporting.

The guy who did the shooting, he was arrested for not having a licensed gun,

you know, just a little while ago, and the Soros prosecutor decided, ah, I got to do anything about it.

Let's release him.

Oh.

So, wait, you have laws on the book, but you won't enforce them.

Okay.

All right.

It is a fascinating part of the story in that like gun laws, the right wants gun laws too.

We want more, we want fewer laws before people commit crimes and and more laws after they commit crimes, right?

We want them punished after they commit crimes.

The left wants the opposite.

They want more laws and more punishments before people commit crimes and then almost no punishments after, which makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Okay, so why would they do that?

Because it's not about the children.

If it was about the children, you could have, you'd be pushing for more laws before and more laws after and actually going after the Soros people who are letting all all of these people go.

Okay?

But they don't do that.

This is not about guns.

This is about our country is

likely to collapse and they need to make sure they don't have 350 million guns in the hands of 250 million people.

That's what this is all about.

This is all about their power.

And let me just make a case.

What was the balloon story about?

I don't think we can tell you yet.

We don't know.

But it certainly wasn't about green aliens.

Even though that's the step Biden took on Monday, he started a UFO commission,

something that Congress did three years ago.

We don't need another commission.

We've already got one, well financed.

Why would you do that?

Because you really thought there were little green men that were invading us in hot air balloons?

I mean, there is more of a chance that that was the wizard returning to the Omaha State Fair.

Same reason, same reason, you're not hearing about this today.

Jim Biden negotiated a deal with the Saudis because of his relationship to Joe Biden.

He negotiated a $140 million

deal with the Saudis.

Nobody's talking about that today.

Hunter Biden?

No, I didn't see anything.

What are you talking about?

Of course not.

Of course not.

There's what?

In fact, today,

I'm going to get to this in a minute, the Washington Post is excusing people on the Hunter Biden laptop.

They know they got it wrong.

All of these stories, they have wrong, all of them, from the beginning.

And then they just keep moving the goalposts until finally there's just nothing, it's just a sieve and it's just leaking everywhere.

And everybody knows, okay, well, that's not true.

The FBI agents, see if this is a stunning, a stunning

revelation to you.

FBI agents misused FISA data to surveil a political party.

I wonder what party it was.

Equal can't it was a Democrat.

And here's what they said.

Look, the FBI, it gets very complex.

The rules are often, quote, misunderstood.

Those rules for Pfizer are just misunderstood.

It's not really hard.

Do you have evidence?

and strong suspicion of a crime being committed with a foreign entity.

If the answer is yes,

okay, show me the evidence that you have and I'll give you a FISA warrant.

That's it.

That's it.

That's how complex it is.

FBI also came out and they said,

okay, all right, we've got,

we had to search a long, long,

long

time

to find out all of those names that were you know John Doe's with Jeffrey Epstein

and it's taken us a long time and we're still not done with it but we're gonna release it here probably this year

probably

this year

what are you talking about probably this year

they haven't released any of the names now So you know, these are just names of people that worked with him.

Okay?

Had connection.

These are not the Johns.

These are the people that work with him.

We don't know who the Johnson, even though they have the little black book.

We have no idea whose name is on that.

Why is that?

Why don't we know the names of these very powerful people?

You know, when Bill Clinton gets onto a plane on the Lolita Express and goes to Thailand

with Jeffrey Epstein.

I'm thinking maybe

it wasn't for food.

I'm just, do you like Thai food?

Love Thai food.

Let's just hop on the jet and go have some.

Don't think so.

But don't know.

And why don't we know?

We found out this week that one of the hosts on MSNBC did a critical look at Hillary Clinton when she was running.

She's now just come out and said, by the way, I was told anything about Hillary Clinton, had to come, had to go all the way up to the president of NBC

to give approval for doing it.

Why?

What kind of news organization does that?

The train update.

We now know

that officials buried the critical health risks until after the residents return home.

So we knew that it had vinyl chloride.

They were going to burn that up.

Everybody should get out of here.

It's crazy.

Then, all right, it's fine.

I'm going to tell you from,

well, I'll be in Columbus, but I'm going to tell you that part of Ohio, man, I would lick the grass.

It's so healthy there.

Everybody goes back and then they say, oh, by the way, there was a few more chemicals.

One of them was one that was used in World War I as

a killing agent, but don't worry about that.

They told them after they went back in.

Why?

Why?

Why isn't Pete Buddhajudge being pilloried right now?

What is the answer for this?

Nobody in town is going to trust the EPA.

No one's going to trust them.

No one's going to trust anybody that says anything about the air quality.

And then what will the media do?

These people, they're just extremists.

That's like those people who live near farms.

They just don't believe anything.

Yeah, why?

Because you don't tell us the truth.

Ever.

Ever.

And then when it finally does come out that, oh, that's the truth.

Here's the Washington Post.

Republicans in the House are having an investigation in the collusion of the media, the Justice Department, and intelligence officials as they censored the true story of of the Biden family corruption right before the 2020 election.

So now the Washington Post, it just matter of factly says, the true story of the Biden corruption.

Really?

Because you were part of the group of people that would make sure we couldn't say that without being banned.

Now,

Glenn Kessler, the designated fact-checker at WAPO, claiming intelligence officials who lied about Russian disinformation were very careful in their wording of that letter.

Huh.

So now the Washington Post is saying, look, what they said was it has all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.

They never said it was Russian disinformation.

Really?

Now, every one of these media sources took that letter and turned it into...

A straight out statement.

That's not what these trusted officials were doing.

And none of the trusted officials who were on those shows pushed back on it.

They didn't say, oh, well, actually, you're going way too far here by saying it is Russian disinformation.

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And of course, everybody knows that.

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that OSHA's new rules are going to offer significant protection for immigrant workers, including those who are undocumented.

This is a bold step forward, according to Jessica Martinez,

including a step forward for the millions who are undocumented these workers are essential to our economy and community but all too often are victimized by unscrupulous employers

These same employers frequently threaten to use immigration status as a way to silence workers and prevent them from speaking up about abusive and illegal practices in their workplaces.

But now,

now, OSHA is granting them special visas so they're not undocumented.

And they're doing that so they can keep everybody safe in the workplace.

OSHA,

again,

OSHA needs to be abolished.

Period.

Again, they're trying to get something through

OSHA.

They're They're making laws themselves.

There's no elected representative doing any of this.

They don't have to debate it.

They decide they want, they got all these illegals.

How can we make them citizens?

We'll use it as a safety device.

Yes, it will be safer in the workplace.

If they don't feel safe, if they don't feel like they belong here, well, then they can be abused.

Yeah, that is true.

That's why we say they shouldn't be here.

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You, again,

OSHA,

you don't have the power to do these things.

Well, they do unless we stand up.

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Co-author Steve Dace, co-author of the book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

Now, I'm going to get the whole name right.

The Rise of the Fourth Reich, Confronting COVID Fascism with a New Nuremberg trial, so this never happens again.

And in the press release, it does say, and I love this.

I love, Steve, I love this.

It says the title of the book, and it says, this book does not pull any punches.

So you're not,

really?

The title says Nuremberg trials, but you're not going to hold back.

You're not holding back.

I find that surprising.

So,

So, Steve,

you and Daniel Horowitz did an awful lot of work on this and laid out the case in a mock Nuremberg kind of trial.

Can you first just tell people

what the Nuremberg laws are?

Sure.

There was really two sets of Nuremberg trials after World War II, Glenn.

And the more famous one, of course, is dealing with Nazi officials on the political and military military end and their atrocities.

But there were a separate set of trials that were held for what was categorized as kind of the biomedical fascist state.

That essentially the entire healthcare sector was given over to the state as a means of procuring experiments and carrying them out on the people.

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And it's not really lengthy.

It's a pretty short read.

You know, Google it any time that you want.

And what you'll hear to find, you'll read it in about 10 or 15 minutes, what you'll find is that basically every consonant, vowel, and syllable of the Nuremberg Code, which was designed to prevent something like what happened in Germany in the 30s and 40s from ever happening again, it stood up for about 75 years.

And then every syllable, consonant, and vowel of that code, Glenn, was thrown out the window and trashed from March 16th of 2020 when the lockdowns began and really even up until now.

You know, we have incredible data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics about a gigantic rise in disability claims beginning in 2021, starting in the fourth quarter.

You see that this status pretty stable going back to 2008, and then all of a sudden in the fourth quarter, it goes off the chain.

Gee, what happened at the fourth quarter of 2021?

I mean, it couldn't possibly be a jab mandate to force you to take a jab in order to work, and then a bunch of disabilities kicked in after that.

It couldn't possibly be that.

We have so much incredible data.

There was a Michigan State study that came out that found just through 2021, it estimated well over 200,000 COVID deaths in the country from the JAB, COVID deaths in America from the JAB.

If you prorate that worldwide, it's something like 7.5 million deaths worldwide.

And so whether it is the JABs, whether it's the virus themselves with the gain of function research, many of the same elements that pushed this toxic JAB on people are the same ones that were involved in committing or creating this chimeric concoction in Wuhan.

And so they're kind of guilty and culpable on both ends of this spectrum.

And then the lockdowns and the masks and everything else, we get into all of this in the book.

And I think where this book really, you know, with me and Daniel, you're going to get a lot of data.

You're going to get a lot of policy specifics.

But where this book, I think, goes next level, Glenn, is the meat of it in the middle.

The personal testimonies, whistleblowers from the Department of Defense, from the healthcare sector, victims, people whose children were,

you know, maimed, injured by the jab and can't get any relief, people whose loved ones died in the hospital because they wouldn't give them effective treatments.

They were essentially medically kidnapped.

Those testimonies in the middle, if you think this title is too provocative, and believe me, we did not utilize it lightly, okay?

But if you think

you didn't take Nuremberg trials lightly, huh?

Okay.

No.

Of course not.

You know me, master of subtlety, right?

Right.

If you read

and listen to these people and their suffering and the suffering that they witnessed inflicted on others, you read these testimonies, you will see that we not only didn't oversell what has happened here, if anything, we've undersold it.

Okay, so help me out because Nuremberg trial, the Nuremberg

rules are very, very clear, as you said.

And Washington Post has come out and said this is not a violation of the Nuremberg Code because these studies were done before they were released on the public.

How do you answer that?

You lost me at Washington Post.

Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

I know.

But one of the, really at the heart of the Nuremberg Code is the idea of informed consent, the idea of transparency, the idea that you don't force people into a medical experiment.

We did that.

I'll prove it to you right here.

On August 6th of 2021, now admittedly, Glenn, this occurred on CNN which means a lot of people didn't see it okay so this is going to be news to people all right

unless we're seeing it now

on August 6th of 2021 Rochelle Walinski went on with Wolf Blitz and admitted that with the advent of the Delta variant the vaccines no longer steiny the transmission of the vaccine of the jet of the virus they're no longer a traditional inoculation definite definition of a vaccine she went on to say that even the vaccinated now could get covet and then spread the virus.

She said this on August 6th.

So right away, whatever medical, before we get to the constitutional question, whatever medical necessity emergency that would have you contemplate the ethics of imposing this experimental substance on billions of people across the globe is already out the window.

It won't even stop the spread of what we claim to be afraid of.

She admitted this.

Almost one month later to the very day she admitted that is when Joe Biden issued his anti-constitutional, detestable executive order on COVID man, on the COVID jab, which he said for the entire year he had no power to do.

And then out of nowhere, almost exactly one month later, after his CDC admitted the jab doesn't work, that's when he actually said you can't go to work unless you take the jab.

That is a clear violation of the Nuremberg Code and proves, once again, which isn't hard to do, that the Washington Post doesn't know what the Sam Hill they're talking about, or they're just lying.

So tell me, do you draw any conclusions on what the motivation would be?

I think there's lots of motivations.

And I think when you get into, and we ask this question in this book a lot, what's the benign innocent explanation for these things?

We ask this question a lot.

We ask questions like, how come they never turn back?

Because some people are going to say, hey, this thing is an emergency.

It got thrust on us.

We got blindsided by it.

Fine.

How come they never voluntarily said, ooh, we went too far with that?

How come they're still in court trying to fight to put masks on people on planes?

They never voluntarily pulled back.

Every time they pulled back, Gwen, it's because the people either resisted to the point it wasn't enforceable or the courts made them do it.

They never said, oh, you know what, guys, we got that one wrong.

We had to sue to get Pfizer's documentation.

They wanted those hidden for about 75 years.

They never showed any empathy.

any transparency or any humility at all unless it was forced on them, which shows you there aren't any benign and innocent explanations.

And the best we could come up with, and it won't necessarily give you the warm fuzzy, is that this is just good old-fashioned greed, mind-numbing greed.

If that's the best we're hoping for, then all the other ones are a little bit further down the rabbit hole, my friend.

So, do you have, we're talking to Steve Dace, he's Blaze TV show host of the Steve Dace Show, follows this program every day on Blaze TV.

He's also the co-writer, the co-author of The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

Steve,

when you're

looking at all of this evidence, is there any

real, tangible hope that anybody's going to be held responsible?

I think

the biggest difficulty with this is really not in the political system.

It's with the people.

And, you know, we did the JAB special.

I hosted it with Jason Whitlock here earlier this month here on Blaze TV.

And Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who has just been Joan of Arc level of hero on this.

And I asked him, you know, what's the critical mass?

And he said, well, you had a first Nuremberg because Ike threw open the camps and forced the world to see what went on there.

And he brought it to a critical mass.

And Ron said, you know, when you have less than 15% of American adults didn't take any of this gene juice, a lot of people are like, man, I don't want to believe I am a ticking time bomb.

I don't want to believe I'm the next collapse suddenly.

I don't want to believe I'm the next died suddenly.

I mean, we have one of our colleagues here at Blaze TV on his show saying he thinks he's vaccine injured.

Okay, I don't want to be the next one who finds out a year later, six months later, that it's me.

And so let me just move on.

Let's pretend like this never happened and get on with real life.

I think that, Glenn, there's so many people that were betrayed into buying into this that I think it's the masses of the people that really don't want to come to grips yet with the full scope of what happened here.

Well, the book went on sale yesterday.

Grab your copy now.

This is one of those things that I would also urge you to get a paper copy of.

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also Daniel Horowitz.

Make sure you grab your copy now.

Steve, we'll look forward to hearing from you here in just a few minutes on Blaze, the Blaze TV Network.

You bet, brother.

Thank you.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

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Nikki Haley now is officially announcing her presidential bid.

She's kicking off her campaign rally.

Now she's on

all of the news networks.

You know, I like Nikki Haley.

I know a lot of people don't necessarily trust her because the way it ended with Donald Trump, but I think she's solid.

I don't necessarily agree with everything that she says,

but I do think she's solid.

And I really

encourage you to understand that this program wants to be friends toward all, enemy of none, because this is in your hands.

And so we're going to interview all of them, and we'll be fair with all of them.

We'll ask tough questions of all of them and be fair with all of them,

point out their good things.

But

this is a very important election.

I mean,

it has the possibility of being our last.

Yeah, and I think Nikki Nikki Haley has

a road that's not easy when it comes to winning the nomination, though she also is a serious person and should be ⁇ she's the type of person you'd expect to get into a race like this.

Had a good run as governor, has some foreign policy experience.

She's kind of right in the pocket of what you'd someone you'd think who would run.

I thought she was great in the United Nations.

Man, she took ⁇ I remember my favorite U.N.

ambassador.

Come on, think of yours right now.

Okay, let's say it together.

Gene Kirkpatrick.

Gene Kirkpatrick.

I was too late.

Nobody has a favorite UN ambassador.

I happen to.

Gene Kirkpatrick, I love.

She was with Reagan, and she was tough as nails.

She didn't give any room.

And it's the same thing with Nikki.

She did not give any room to anybody

at the UN.

She did a great job, I thought.

Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see.

You know, she is going to have to, I mean, look, I think she's been campaigning for a while.

This is the start of her campaign

in reality, in formal terms.

But, I mean, she's been working this for a while.

And she's someone I think can be taken seriously.

We talked about this yesterday, where you have a couple of people at the top, and then

you're going to have probably a dozen other people vying to either be vice president or to try to catch lightning in a bottle and rise from that second, from that fourth, fifth, sixth,

to that third tier type of person.

Do you think there is anyone, though, that could beat either DeSantis or Trump for that nomination?

It's going to be one of those two.

I'm convinced of it.

I mean, it's unlikely.

First of all, obviously, DeSantis has to actually run, which we do very much assume he is.

He's going to run.

He's going to run.

So taking that formality out of the picture, it would be surprising to me if this runs just like, for example, the Bush-McCain race where no one else makes any noise.

Right.

Like, it would be surprising if we go through this entire year and no one has a big moment.

No one has a moment in the debates that gets people talking.

No one has that moment where they rise, let's say, into double digits.

Right now, it's nobody.

The only person who ever hits double digits in these polls, other than the top two, is occasionally Mike Pence will do it.

And I don't think anybody believes that's real because Pence is, you know, he's no longer a friend of many hardcore Trump supporters, which, which, if Trump's in the race, makes it impossible for him to get up there, I would think.

And he's also not electric.

I mean, Mike Pence did some good things, I think, in office.

He's a good guy.

I generally like him, but he's not the type of person who's going to take the country by storm.

And I don't know of,

I mean,

first of all, we know that Donald Trump will clean house.

We know that.

But he's got to have an incredible team around him to be able to cut the right places the right time and and prioritize.

If you're going to get rid of the deep state, man, it's going to take every bit of political capital that you have and you just got to go for it.

And I think DeSantis could do that, wants to do that, but again, you're walking into a new job with new realities.

Even Donald Trump said, I had no idea how bad it was.

And I don't know if anybody, unless you experience it, really understands.

But who is going to work with Donald Trump?

Because, I mean, would Nikki take a vice presidential role if she happened to be the big, you know, the big number two and it was Donald Trump or she was number three?

Would he take her on?

I don't think he would.

I don't think Donald Trump would.

I think it's honestly more likely to be a DeSantis that would take a Nikki Haley.

But Nikki Haley, if she is, you know, gets to that point where she's VP, she will be highly considered.

Unless she just runs a terrible campaign, which is possible.

Trump doesn't trust anybody.

He shouldn't.

I don't trust anybody.

But I'd like to know

who do you trust?

I'd like to see his team.

You know what I mean?

Who do you trust?

Who are you going to put into these big roles in your cabinet that's just going to shut them down?

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