Ep 165 | This Famous Musician Risked EVERYTHING to Fight the Woke Mob | Winston Marshall | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Today's guest has achieved the dreams of every musician.

He has won Grammys.

He's shared the stage with Bob Dylan.

He's been on Saturday Night Live, played the White House for Obama.

He's worked with legendary producers, headlined major festivals, including both Bonnaroo and Austin City Limits, two times.

His voice...

His guitar, his banjo have created music that has debuted on the top of the Billboard 200.

I don't know how many times his songs have been played at weddings and dances and graduations and sporting events and funerals.

And he always thought his career would stay on course, that he and his bandmates would, you know, tour the world until they were like the Rolling Stones and they just dropped dead.

Then in 2021, 14 years after co-founding Mumford and Sons, he watched it all vanish like that.

Like so many disasters these days, it started started with a tweet, and it wasn't even an unusual tweet.

He had done tweets like this before.

It was a book

review,

something that he had read.

It was a book recommendation.

Ironically, the book is Unmasked by Andy No, which details left-wing extremism and how it has become mainstream.

Well, that didn't go well.

So today, he's embracing the power of free speech with his new podcast, Marshall Matters, on Spectator TV.

His guests have included Don McClain, Candace Owens, Jordan Peterson.

And like many of them, he was excommunicated from the Church of High Culture.

He's fine with that.

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Welcome.

Glenn, thank you so much for having me.

It's great to have you here.

Great to have you here.

My pleasure is mine.

I remember when

I got a very nice message of solidarity from you when I quit my band and I wasn't actually familiar with your work at the time.

You can grab on YouTube.

They'll educate you quickly.

But I was very grateful for the solidarity.

I thought it was very sweet of you.

Thank you.

I try to send something out to everybody who has been canceled no matter where they stand, left or right.

I find this

as a human being and also as

a dad and

an artist somewhat.

I find it really offensive what's going on.

This is not good.

Yeah, you're seeing this across the arts really.

I mean, it's not just in your great country, but also in Britain that just artists are

getting cast aside for having the wrong opinions or being forced to quit.

That's quite a common thing.

For example, there's a woman called Rosie Kay who I recently interviewed and she's a choreographer and she had a dance company for 14, 15 years.

And because of her gender critical opinions, she got ganged up on by the entire crew or the entire cast of dancers and was forced to resign.

And

you know, she put her life into this project.

It was her everything.

And for artists as well, most artists, they don't make that much money.

So

you build these things up over a career

and then you have it taken, swiped away from you like that is a very, very painful experience.

But

they eventually, it goes around.

Eventually.

I mean, I don't understand how artists in particular don't understand,

and even homosexuals as well have been forced into the closet for so long, especially in

Great Britain,

how they they don't understand, wait a minute, I shouldn't be doing the same thing that was happening to me

because eventually it just eats its own, doesn't it?

I mean, just eventually consumes, you're never going to be politically correct enough for somebody.

Well, I don't fully understand that.

What do you mean that, in terms of trying to abide by...

By silencing others, especially when you have been silenced, okay.

By silencing others, you would think it would be very obvious.

That's a bad thing.

That's what we've been working on, civil rights.

That's what we've been trying to stop.

There's a serious free speech issue.

And I don't mean necessarily legally, although in Britain, certainly there's been legal issues on free speech where people have been losing their jobs.

And police come to the door if you're.

That's also true.

There's

police, police in Britain are police coming to the door if you tweet the wrong thing, if you have gender critical opinions.

There's certainly examples of that.

But

there's a culture of free speech that we've lost.

So it's not necessarily, but we still have the First Amendment.

Well, you have the First Amendment here in the States, but there's this idea, I think back to when Neil Young said he'd remove himself from Spotify if Spotify didn't get rid of Joe Rogan.

Now, of course, I believe in freedom of association.

That's totally legitimate.

But it's the idea that

it's not the association, it's the specific speech that people want removed.

And for that to come from artists whose very career

founded

on the premise that one needs to express themselves, how can one express themselves in that climate?

How can one create art in that climate?

How can one create music, write lyrics, write great prose?

It's It's insanity.

And

I've been very puzzled within the creative industries.

I'm not entirely sure whether there's a large group of

homogeneous

thinkers

where, let's say, this progressive thought has really taken hold, or whether a small minority of progressives have real power in self-censoring the masses.

It's not entirely clear to me

what is going on.

There's evidence for both.

For example, when I quit, I had many, I quit Mumford and Sons last year.

I had many artists messaging me saying they were self-censoring.

Hundreds actually, maybe I've had thousands of messages from all walks of life and all professions, but artists self-censoring, and it's...

It's shocking and it doesn't matter.

Artists that we would know that would be surprising that they're self-censored.

Absolutely.

And I'm not going to.

No, I'm not saying.

I'm not going to say that.

Because they speak in confidence.

But that also speaks for the climate.

That they don't,

I feel like I shouldn't say their names because I don't want to get them into trouble.

Right.

That's insane.

So what was the tipping point for you?

First of all, you left Mumford and Sons.

Mumford's gone.

You've written.

most of the songs.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No?

No, no.

So the band formed in 2007

and originally around Marcus the Singer.

He had a bunch of songs and then as we grew, it turned out that we all contributed songs.

So I certainly contributed

decent songs and I'm actually now back here in your great country playing some of those songs.

And I've been playing concerts

California, New York, and Arizona and

playing some of the songs.

But the band,

we all contributed songs.

It's kind of a queen thing.

What do you mean?

Queen, they oh, the band, yeah, they never put their name as the author, they just make it true.

And we collaborated together, and those songs developed together, and um,

uh, they shape, they were shaped live, and they were shaped in this country.

We toured America relentlessly.

By the end of this trip, I'll have visited 48 states in this great country.

I was thinking, I mean, I love this.

What are you missing?

Hawaii and Alaska.

You've got to see Alaska.

Hawaii will

it's beautiful, but boy,

that is progressive city.

I really say, oh, yeah, very progressive.

I was very shocked in California.

So

I did a show in Los Angeles and a show in San Francisco, and I haven't been back for a while.

And every other store in both those cities has some sort of token marker to a progressive course, whether it's a rainbow flag or a trans flag or a BLM thing or some sort of virtue signaling to

an identity group.

And it seemed to me,

and actually in San Francisco as well, there's a huge mural to Greta Thunberg

outside my hotel, like the sort of matron saint of eco-anxiety.

And it seems to me, it reminded me about

in the scripture when the Jews marked their homes with the blood of the Lamb so that the angel of death would pass over them when the plagues were for the firstborn.

And it's almost, and I'm sure this is true in Portland, Oregon, it's almost as if people are marking their

property so it doesn't get vandalized.

Now, I don't want to be so rude about California and America because I absolutely love this country.

It's just, as an assembly,

we've changed, and you're spot on.

And even during some of the riots, You know, a lot of these were black-owned stores that they burned down.

And they would, you know, put the plywood on the windows and then spray paint.

We're black-owned.

Please don't burn down.

Eventually, they come and eat everybody.

What a great analogy of the lamb's blood.

Well, this is what's got me into trouble.

Originally, the reason I had to quit Mumford and Sons is because I tweeted about a book critical of far-left extremism in the United States by the author, the conservative author, Andy Noah, journalist.

And

he documented that book, The 19 Killed in the First 14 days of the BLM riots, and the many black businesses

ruined and destroyed in the ensuing riots.

And just to paint a picture of the climate in the music industry, in June 2020, in that heinous killing of George Floyd happened,

the music industry en masse

put up black squares and it became a picket line.

If you didn't put a black square up,

if you didn't support Black Lives Matter, the angel of death was visiting your home.

Absolutely.

Now, here's an example of it: the band Hansen.

I don't know if you remember this.

Oh, I do.

They're friends.

Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They live up the street.

Oh, great.

Well, then you should get them in to talk about this because apparently

they didn't exist as a band,

didn't put a black square up because they didn't exist.

Their fans got so angry at the fact that they had to reform in order to apologize to the mob.

And

that shows how fervent

the time was.

It's mob rule.

It really is.

Yeah.

Mob.

Absolutely.

So I got into trouble because

I was critical of that

specific, or the excesses of it.

Because if, look, of course we care about black lives.

Of course we want to see every American, every human lifted up and

we want to create a level playing field from which to start on.

Correct.

And we also want cops, like the guy who killed George Floyd.

Want them out.

Don't want any bad cops.

But they're not all bad.

Absolutely.

But

the problem you get is people want to ignore the bad the excesses of certain behavior if they believe it's a good cause, which means that bad things happen.

Yeah.

And

that's a serious issue.

So now,

since I've

come out

and been in sort of trouble, I feel like it's my duty a little bit to speak out on these issues where I think that there are excesses.

And having come from a liberal background, you know, my dad ran for Liberal Democrats in the UK.

I was brought up canvassing for liberals.

Hang on, let's...

What is a liberal over there?

Because the world misunderstands American liberals.

Sure.

Progressive is different than a liberal.

A liberal here should be

somebody who believes in the Bill of Rights and will fight for the rights of the average person.

A conservative is

over here, a person that wants the smallest amount of government so it can never get out of hand and do the things that it's doing right now.

Progressives are the same in both countries.

So is that a liberal to you?

So I would distinguish myself as being neither conservative or progressive, but rather a liberal in a classical liberal, British liberal tradition.

And

I do believe that we need some government because I think that

I don't believe in libertarianism.

I believe that unchecked and unregulated the system isn't totally fair.

And then I guess there's a bunch of social issues that progressives...

have gone completely awry on.

For example, I wrote a piece on Barry Weiss's substack and I quoted Martin Luther King

and his, you know, I have a dream speech where he said we should judge people by the content and the character and the colour.

And I was called racist for quoting him.

I know.

I mean, there's, is that, am I insane?

No, no, no, no, no.

I saw something the other day.

Somebody said, somebody posted a quote on, I don't know, Facebook or something.

I thought it was the best.

Am I

actually a Nazi fascist or just a normal person 10 years ago?

You know what I mean?

Because everything that you thought and held dear, like Martin Luther King,

now you say that and know you're a racist.

If you're getting called racist for quoting Martin Luther King,

I think we can see now what's going on.

Those terms have lost all meaning.

Fascist, Nazi, racist.

And it's really dangerous because once they don't have meaning, racism, fascism, it does exist.

Exactly.

And if you've made those terms, you know, it's a little boy who cried wolf.

If everybody's a racist, then how do we stop real racism?

Exactly.

How do we identify that?

But and also, frankly,

it disrespects what happened before.

My grandmother was a Holocaust survivor.

The idea that I'm called a Nazi now, given that 13 people in my family were obliterated by the Nazis in the camps and the death marches, is offensive to my family.

Although it's so absurd that it's almost beyond offense because it's like, this is ridiculous.

But

it kind of

it changes history.

It changes how we understand history.

So

the battle, the word battle, the semantic battles going on now are just very

insane.

I just had, what was it last week, I had Benjamin Netanyahu on, and he gave me the Defender of Israel award

years ago.

However, I'm still a Nazi.

And we were joking about it.

It's like

none of it makes sense anymore.

Let's look at what people are doing, content of their character.

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Man, I wish I had that accent.

You'd think I was smarter, honestly.

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So let's finish up on the Mumford and Son stuff because you...

You posted that, and then you apologized.

Right.

So

the story specifically was that through the pandemic, I was posting books I was reading.

It was one of the themes of my social media.

I didn't have many followers on social media.

And I tweeted about books from Mao's Little Red Book to Tolstoy's War and Peace.

Whatever I was reading, I found interesting.

And one of the books, as I said, was Andy Noah's book.

And somehow it just completely exploded

in a sort of Twitter storm.

These things happen.

And they say Twitter isn't real life until it's real life.

And that's true, because initially I was like, it's just a storm.

It will pass.

But then you get the phone calls.

Then you get your friends, people you work with, calling you up.

Some of them are worried for you.

Some of them are worried about what's going on.

They don't understand what's going on.

And then you slowly see your life unraveling.

And fortunately, now it's been 16, 18 months, and

I bought a new life.

So I feel stronger talking about it.

But for a long time, it was very painful to talk about that time and the coming months.

And so I issued an apology, partly because

when you're under attack, let's say if you're at a dinner table and you say something offensive, someone's offended by what you say, you'd say, I'm so sorry.

What do I not know?

Explain to me.

So I was certainly open to not understanding the full picture.

And I

wanted to protect my bandmates who were getting pulled under the bus with me.

So I issued an apology.

And then in the coming months,

gradually and and gradually, I looked deeper and deeper into the topic, and I realized I hadn't been wrong.

I'd called the author brave.

Not only was he brave, he'd been attacked by Antifa mobs in Oregon, but he was then attacked again.

Video of that came out again

in a hotel.

I find him incredibly brave.

Exactly.

Unquestionably great.

And

so

my conscience really started to bother me.

I was also frustrated that by exc I felt like I was in some way excusing the behaviour antifa by apologizing for criticizing it, which then made me feel, well, then I'm as bad as the problem because

I'm sort of agreeing that it doesn't exist.

Which I find very frustrating.

Another point, by the way, I find it very frustrating that

the left-wing media in this country and in my country don't even talk about it.

We can all see this footage.

we see it online.

They don't talk about it.

And that's part of my,

I think, interest initially in tweeting about Andy's book because I think people need to see what's going on.

And it's a blind spot there.

But anyway, I...

Wait, wait, wait.

When you say they don't talk about it, you mean the average person talks about it, but the average person doesn't talk about it.

The CNN and MSNBC and all that stuff, they don't cover it.

Biden in his presidential election said it was just an idea.

It didn't exist.

I mean, did he not see the courthouse in Oregon being burnt down

like night after night?

You know, all this outrage for the Capitol Hill storming, rightly.

What about the outrage when federal buildings are being arrested?

Now, I know I'm British, and it's going to jar with your American listeners to hear a Brit commenting on your politics, but I care about America.

I love America, and a successful great America

means a successful great world as far as I'm concerned.

So I hope you respect me.

No, no, no.

You're in safe territory here.

So then another thing was that there's this essay, and we spoke about this a little bit before speaking now, by Alexander Soltzenitsin called Live Not by Lies.

And he wrote it, I think, 1973, 1974, when he was expelled from Moscow.

He didn't know he was being expelled.

He wrote it, it's my understanding.

He wrote it thinking that this may be the last communication he's allowed to have.

And so he wrote it and released it.

And then I think it's the next day he was expelled.

Interesting.

Yeah.

So

this essay, which I encourage listeners to read, is about five pages long, includes

includes a paragraph where

it says something along the lines of, how dare you call yourself a musician, an artist, sorry, if you are not prepared to live by the truth.

And that affect me.

And each time I read it, it hit harder and harder and harder.

And this apology that was out there that I'd issue, it felt like to me that that apology would detract from all I could create moving forward.

Because

whatever song I write, whatever prose I write,

how can I say that it's true if I have this apology?

You are so rare.

So eventually

I decided the only way out of this was for me to quit.

Now,

for context, the band had been told by several radio stations they wouldn't be played again.

I was due to play a DJ, a festival in the UK, and they dropped me.

There were repercussions, professional repercussions, for my opinion.

And if I'd been a sole actor, things would have been very different.

But I had a responsibility to them, and I didn't want them to be harmed for my opinion.

So I thought the best way forward,

the only way forward really, was for me to quit.

And I explained so in a in a medium letter.

My objective was to clear my conscience.

I wasn't sleeping.

I lost a ton of weight.

I was losing my mind a little bit and even making myself lose my mind.

I was like, I'm crazy.

Everyone's telling me I'm crazy.

Then you start, you know,

I'll tell you, when you first go through this,

I talk to people who say, oh, no, it doesn't bother me at all.

I don't think about it.

You're either a liar or you're really shallow.

Because

in 2007,

there's this Associated Press poll that comes out, most admired men in the world.

I was tied for third with the Pope and Nelson Mandela.

That's how sick America was.

Okay.

And I'm like, what?

I do the same show.

I was on CNN.

I do the same show over on Fox.

The next year, I'm one of the most hated men in America.

You want to talk about schizophrenia?

I go through this, and, you know, when you have a good majority of people saying you're a racist, you're a bigot, you're a Nazi, you're this,

if you're a thinking, feeling human being,

you take that at some point and go,

I don't think I'm that.

How are they getting that?

What are they, and you, you do an inventory of your life.

Yes, you do.

You know what I mean?

And

that's one of the good things I think that comes out of this for the individual.

You come out stronger because

you know who you are.

You most certainly do.

And actually, to be totally honest, I don't care that much, or perhaps at all, what random people on Twitter I don't know or met think.

But I do care about what the people around me and the people who I love and who say they love me care.

So when they're doing it, it's very painful.

So for me,

that's what I think affected me.

But what kept me strong and what has given me sucker through all of this is my faith in God.

And that

is kept me.

That has been the foundation of my family.

I have a very tight-knit family.

I'm very close with my mom and dad.

So that's what gets you through those difficult times.

And had I not had God, had I not had Christ in my life, I'm not sure how I could have got through that period.

I don't want to take too much of a sidetrack on this, but

this is like the third time you've mentioned God, and then you mentioned Christ by name.

It's my understanding that you have always said you're not a Christian.

You're not religious, but you're spiritual.

You're...

So I was raised

by a Catholic mother and a Protestant father in a sort of ecumenical household.

I lost my faith aged 18, 19, and had

my 20s, I would say, without faith, at points atheistic, at points agnostic.

When I was an atheist, I probably had too many morals for an atheist.

That's not a dig at atheists.

It's more that I do think we need a metaphysic in which to build an ethic and an ambulance.

Jordan Peterson talks about it.

And I believe this.

I happen to believe it's all true, but even if it's not, it's made me a better person.

Your faith.

Yeah.

How so?

How so?

Yeah.

It gives me someone to answer to that's not human.

It gives me someone to model myself after.

I mean, you know, you look at God and you just think of him as a dad.

That's a pretty good model, you know,

of

especially when you start to have children.

You never stop loving your children.

No matter what they've done, you are always open to, come on back, come on back.

It's no big deal.

Did you...

Do you know you screwed up?

Do you know what happened?

Come on in.

I'm not judging you.

I'm not, I've been there.

And that's a really good model

for, I think, for a parent and for a human being.

Yeah.

Okay.

So did you...

So, wait, just to finish, I came back to my faith having gone through the experience of divorce.

And I would say that philosophically, I was at the church door beforehand.

Yeah.

And through people like Jordan Peterson, his biblical series is

exceptional.

And

it brought me back to Scripture.

But it was through

the experience of suffering that I actually came back fully spiritually to Christ.

And thank God I did.

Because

the period, it wasn't

too long afterwards that I went through it.

And as I said, had it not been for him, I'm not sure I'd have fared so well.

Yeah.

Again, off subject here,

I just read 2 Chronicles this morning before I did my show, and it was chapter 15, starting I think at 3, and it basically says, it describes today, and it's like the people had lost the God, the true God.

They've lost the truth, and

nations were rising up against nations.

It was...

It was frightening to be out on the street, very dangerous to be out.

And then it said,

and then because of all this,

they found the God of Israel again, you know,

still a lot of price to be paid, but the message in it was,

so don't give up.

Your work will benefit in the end.

And I thought,

I think that's what's happening in the world.

We've just,

we've made other things our God.

And when you make other things your God, well,

if it gives me great stuff and all I have to do is this, that's great.

Yeah.

You know?

Well,

I've seen that not only in my own personal life.

Like it was a period I made work my God and

I was quite literally addicted to touring and getting in the studio and working, working.

But then if you talk en masse and

I just had Michael Schellenberger,

environmentalist,

on my show, and he describes the environmentalist cause as a surrogate religion.

And it's very true because we have lost God and

people don't have the belief like that we used to in the West.

And so they're replacing it with these other causes.

And like I described earlier,

it's biblical how people are putting tokens outside their shops.

And it's biblical to put a mural of Greta Thunberg as if, you know, like she's the Virgin Mary or something,

an innocent girl.

There's all these weird equivalents, but it doesn't have the founding.

And push for abortion, the way it's being done now, just this bloodlust almost, is

Moloch.

I mean, it is Old Testament worship, just not done intentionally, but we are doing the same thing.

We are worshiping other gods, whether we know it or not.

When the alarm clock goes off in the morning and you open your eyes, Is pain the first thing you think about?

Used to be for me.

I would get up every day and I'd be like,

and all all I would want to do is get back into bed.

And I would be like, I don't know how I'm going to get through the day, but I'll get through it and I'll come back and I'll sleep.

It was a problem that I thought would never go away.

And it's a problem that I don't have anymore because I started taking Relief Factor and I got my life back.

I can paint, I can write, I can even think in the morning without, you know, the first thing, oh, I hurt.

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So

let's go back to Mufrid Sans.

You've been friends with

bandmates.

I mean, your bandmates were your friends, right?

Yeah.

I was surprised to see that, at least

it felt this way to me, that

they didn't rally around say we we know him

did they

I wish them very well they're incredibly talented musicians and and artists and songwriters and I have no doubt that they will have

very important careers and and they I hope they continue to great make create great art and and I would hate for anything I do to impede that.

So

I really wish them well.

That is the nicest, most Christian thing I think you could say.

So you leave, and,

you know, the good thing is there's a lot of openings for banjo players.

You know, there's no job competition.

This is where I started with the banjo, because in London, no one played it.

So if I got myself into a band, there would be no one to take my place.

I didn't have to be good.

I was terrible at guitar, and so that's why I never got a gig.

So, yeah, no,

you're not wrong.

But,

yeah, as I said, I think earlier,

this is my first time playing.

I'm playing songs that I've written over the years.

We brought a banjo.

I know you didn't bring banjo.

But this.

Your colleague

brought a banjo made in China.

Now.

Well, he's fired.

He's listening to you right now.

Yeah, exactly.

Although, Goldtone, I think it's a Florida-based.

I used to play Goldtone, so it's a Florida.

So they're designed in America.

Yeah.

But

manufactured in China.

Now, we like the Chinese, but it's the CCP.

Yeah.

We have a problem.

So we want to make sure.

Have you ever thought...

I have this conversation with people all over the country.

You know, Glenn, I think if we just all got together in our town, we could probably fix this in about 20 minutes.

The people are starting to wake up.

It's not the parties, per se.

It's not the

ethnic basis.

It's nothing.

It's governments.

Absolutely.

They are the problem with the people.

And they just think that it's like we're on a...

in a stage play and we don't we don't know we're in a play and they do you know it's it's really nuts it's not too hard to make the definition.

Actually, I work a lot with

technically ethnically Chinese, but Hong Kongers in Britain.

I have

an organization pairing.

Hong Kong is fleeing the CCP who are taking over Hong Kong.

And they're coming to Britain.

We're helping them assimilate and integrate.

Any British listeners, we need volunteers, so Hong Kong link up.

Let us know and we can help you.

But yeah, the CCP are...

Horrible.

Yeah.

And

unfortunately, I didn't understand when all my big, big business friends said to me 20 years ago, you know, China is the model.

I remember saying, that's not a very good model.

And they're like, well, it works over there and it's really the model of the future.

Now we're seeing where it really is the model.

I mean, we are moving towards that kind of a state, which is terrifying.

Well,

what's particularly terrifying, I think something I can speak on specifically to the CCP.

It's not only Hong Kong, but the Uyghurs.

So I've been trying to raise awareness for the Uyghurs, and it's so difficult to do this, and I can't quite work out why, but there's between one and three million Uyghurs interned in camps in Western China, in Jinjiang.

No, no, the CCP says it's not true.

Those were just...

We've seen videos.

I know.

You're an apologist for the CCP now.

What's going on?

This is quite loud.

I love the video they just put out with some guy on the street, and he's like, you know, there's all these things that are being said about us and here in China.

And no, look, here's a Uyghur man who's happy.

And you're like, I think I saw this movie done by Goebbels.

Quite quite.

Yeah.

A town for the Jews.

Yeah.

And

not only are the videos, but

we had a Uyghur tribunal in the UK with testimonies of people who have fled and escaped.

And

this is the sort of tyranny of the CCP.

And it's not just them, it's the Tibetans, the Mongolians, the Hong Kongers,

Taiwan's next, that's only a matter of time.

I'm very surprised by how little concern my generation and younger have for the CCP.

And I'm not entirely sure why that is.

I've been thinking about that.

Why is it?

Well, partly, I think, because China is

culturally so alien from us.

Like, the language is impenetrable

and

impenetrable is wrong, but it's certainly very difficult.

I've tried to learn it.

It's the hardest language I've ever tried to learn.

And a lot of their culture doesn't come over.

I mean, of course, their food and

some of the religious stuff comes over.

But why is it that the.

But people in Britain, for example, will march the streets when George Floyd,

5,000 miles away, gets brutally murdered.

But then I went on a Uyghur march in Parliament Square in Westminster, the same, two months later, where three million Uyghurs are

in these internment camps, and there's 25 of us.

How is it that there's this

attention given to American problems, but no attention given to University of Union?

This is the same problem.

Gosh, what was the name in England?

I feel bad.

I can't remember it right now.

The guy who stopped slavery.

William Wilberforce.

Yeah, Wilberforce.

This is the same problem Wilberforce had.

how do I get people to pay attention and say this slavery is wrong?

The problem with it is it's so ugly, no one wants to deal with it.

It's so ugly that no one thinks that they can actually affect it.

And,

you know, I'm getting my stuff cheaper.

So, I mean, it's this weird moral

quagmire.

Wilberforce, if you bring that up, so the people of Britain at the time went on a sugar strike where they refused to buy sugar to signal that they were disapproved.

En masse they did this to disapprove of the slave trade.

So he managed to get

the

attention of the masses on

that deplorable trade.

What seems to be so impossible with not just the Uyghurs, but any of the behavior of the CCP is to actually capture the imagination of the masses in the West.

It just doesn't happen.

And I don't know if we need some kind of horrible footage, but we've got footage of the Uyghurs.

Oh, no, it's bad.

And we've got footage of Hong Kong, and we know what's going on over there.

So why it's not,

it's still a bit of a mystery.

And perhaps that's because there's some sort of.

Go ahead.

There's some sort of, you know,

when there's a social justice cause, one feels like one has to go along with what's been presented, unquestionably.

And so because

no one's really presenting the case for the Uyghurs, well, actually, that's not true.

I've been trying, but

because it's not a popular movement, people aren't

going along with it.

I'm not sure I know.

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Yeah,

I think we're at the beginning of this fight.

Remember, this is, I mean, I'm a, um,

I've studied the Holocaust quite a bit, and

it's not much different than what Americans were doing in World War II.

You know, you'd have it.

I mean, you had the information.

We had it.

Went to our president, went to everybody.

It was in the papers.

New York Times just kept burying it.

And even Jews here, not all of them, but even a lot of Jews here were like, let's not cause any problems.

We don't, you know, it was, it's a weird thing that humans do from time to time, where

they can look away

from that,

but there'll be one person over here that is, you know, George Floyd.

It's bad.

But in comparison, we don't want either of them.

But this one is horrifying because it's happening all the time, every day, 24 hours a day, to millions of people.

And somehow or another, we can see this, but we can't see that.

Yeah.

And

there's good reason to march at the injustices that blacks are facing here and elsewhere.

And George Freud, it's not a criticism of that necessarily.

It's more a criticism of the lack of protests.

Anyway, so yeah.

And it's

I think we're just at a better place now than

in the 19, it's not the 1960s anymore.

That's a past generation.

And

I think there's a lot of people who truly are colorblind.

They saw, they listened to Martin Luther King and they're, I'm with you.

I'm with you.

I don't, I don't want any of that to happen.

And yet I think it's our politicians that are, and people who are craving power or money or whatever that are separating us for the most part.

I noticed you put the banjo down, so you're not going to put the banjo down.

Well, I didn't bring my finger picks, but

you know what?

Invite me back

and I'll do a little show for you.

So

you just had somebody I have wanted to have on my show forever.

You just had him on your podcast.

Don McLean.

Oh, yeah.

What a total legend.

Unbelievable.

Did you ask him about

Bye-bye, Miss American Pie?

What is that?

American Pie.

Yeah, American Pie.

Yeah, so that song's now 50 years old.

I mean,

it's the, surely it's the number one song in the American songbook.

And

he actually, it was interesting, he talked about it in,

he likened, and I encourage people to listen to the episode, but he likened to it the cancer culture stuff.

He said, I was writing about this 50 years ago.

It was.

And And it's the day the music died.

And he's like,

this is what's happening for cancer culture.

So he's a very switched-on gentleman.

And,

you know, what a career he had.

And he was, when he started, he would do these tours up and down the Hudson River with

Bill Monroe.

Bill Monroe, famous communist, but also great pioneer of the banjo for his sins.

He wrote this superb.

I can't imagine a communist with a banjo.

It just doesn't.

Oh, there are lots.

There are lots.

Oh, no, sorry.

It's not Bill Monroe.

I made a total mistake.

It's Pete Seeger.

Forgive me, forgive me.

Pete Seeger, yeah, yeah.

Pete Seeger, not Bill Monroe.

I don't know if Bill Monroe's total politics.

Pete Seeger,

that's a terrible mistake to make.

Land is your land.

So

they, and Seeger would do these tours with musicians and professors, intellectuals, and poets, and bring these people together.

And Don McLean was about that.

And he was brought up in that

environment.

And back then, it was

them who were being made to shut up.

It was the leftists who were told by majoritarians on the right.

And this goes on later as well, into the 80s and 90s.

And was it Tip Gore, Al Gore's wife, who's

a woman?

Yeah, she was the one that wanted to, you know, she was trying to shut up iced tea.

And it's normally come, or sorry, not normally,

in America it seems traditionally,

moves against free speech have tended to come from the right, but that's, I think, completely changed now.

And

it's coming from the progressives, not the liberals.

Because if you're a liberal, if you actually are a liberal, you believe in free speech.

Otherwise, you're not a liberal.

I'm sorry to break it to you.

I consider myself a classic liberal.

You know, just.

Can we just leave each other alone?

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So you started your podcast.

Yeah.

So I've been having a great time.

So it's called Marshall Matters with a spectator.

And I should say my agenda in coming to your show is to plug my show.

Okay.

Just as

there's no secrets.

But I've been having a great time and exploring all the taboo topics that artists don't feel like they can speak.

I just actually had

a great Irish artist, I won't name, but text me saying, I'm so happy you're talking publicly about this gender critical stuff because the trans stuff is one of those issues, and I understand it's the same here in America, that you just cannot.

talk about it and and J.K.

Rowling's the famous example.

I think it's worse over there.

I mean mean this is hard to say but I mean what they're doing to J.K.

Rowling is insane.

Yeah.

Insane.

Yeah.

She gets death threats, people not working for her.

The actors...

What does the average person over there think about that?

Or are they afraid to say?

That's a good question.

You know, the leader of the opposition, Sakir Starmer, who runs the Labour Party, which would, I guess, it's not quite equivalent to the Democrats, probably a bit more left than the Democrats.

Well, I can't say that many of you.

will change now, but

he couldn't answer the question, what is a woman?

And I think the average person probably sees that.

I'll take your party and raise you a Supreme Court justice.

They can't do it either over here.

Right, okay, wow.

Well, I think when the average person sees that, I think they don't understand the gender wars and they don't care.

They've got real problems to deal with.

But when they see that, they think,

is he mad?

Why can't you answer that basic question?

Why is that basic question?

And then, if you can't answer a basic question like that, how are we supposed to believe you on anything else?

So, I think, I think, I guess that's what most people think.

However, I think also

now that

women are being attacked in prisons,

rapes in this country, in New Jersey, it was a Demi Minor who raped and impregnated two women

in a female prison.

We have equivalent Karen White in Britain.

But

women's

spaces are threatened.

Women are threatened.

We need to protect our women.

Then there's what's happening to children, the puberty blockers.

Oh, my God.

In Britain, that's been paid, puberty blockers and irreversible surgery.

In Britain, that's been paid for by the state.

We're starting to do that now.

But you guys are stopping it on.

So, yes, this is what's been encouraging: that the Tavistock Centre,

which was the centre undertaking this behaviour, this surgery, has been told to close by next year.

So that's

a small victory.

So I'm hopeful that we're going in the right way.

But didn't the NIH come out and say there's no reason for this?

I mean, I thought they took a harder line on it than just shutting down that clinic.

I thought they were...

Was it NIH, sorry?

Or NHS?

Yeah, yeah.

I've understood that it's due to close, that it's been told to close.

I think there are some people trying to defend it still, but I think it will

close.

It's hard to start.

But I think people, when they start seeing that,

they see their wives and their children threatened in this way.

Men stick up for it.

Women, it's a very

misogynistic movement.

Women are constantly being told to shut up.

Eventbrite, I just saw yesterday, have de-platformed women again defending women's sports, some sort of their event ticketing organization.

And the other thing

which I think affects people is the concept of truth, particularly when in our schools, again, paid for by the state, children are being taught weird things about what is true and what is not true.

It's anti-science and it confuses children.

I've got two cousins who are teachers and they show me what they're having to teach their students,

young students.

And it's completely bananas.

And no wonder the kids are going to be confused.

And if that's the starting point, how's the rest of the education going to be?

Oh, it's hard.

So I think normal people

that's not hard to understand.

In fact, that's much easier to understand than the gender nonsense that we're being fed with.

Eastland Jenner understands that.

Well, actually, I met, I actually didn't meet, but Buck Angel, who was a female-to-male transsexual, was at my show in Los Angeles.

And he has been very brave and standing up and saying, This is not okay to put children through.

This is a serious procedure to go through.

And I will not let

anyone indoctrinate our children into this irreversible damage.

And there are

transsexuals, transgenders who are bravely standing up because it is it's it's caught fire and it's it's what Jung called a a psychic endemic.

And And it's very shocking, and we've seen this at different periods.

Helen Joyce describes it very well in her book, Trans.

She's another guest I've had on my show, and you should have her on this show, actually.

She's superb.

I think she's written the definitive book on the topic, which she describes as well.

There was an endemic of anorexia in Hong Kong about 15 years ago, and it's the same thing.

Once these kids get the idea, it just grows out unchecked.

And it's up to the adults to say, no, stop and

protect the children.

So back to your original question, normal people care about children, they care about women and they need to protect both of them.

I have to tell you, I think the leftist move

with trans and

mainly with trans,

it is

so anti-woman, so anti-woman, and so insulting that you are just about your body parts and that makes you a woman.

No, no, there's lots of differences between men and women.

And to tell women that they have to identify him,

I mean, if that's, if, look, we're friends, we're in the streets, whatever, you're a friend of a friend, whatever, and you come over and you're like, hi, I'm Judy.

Hey, Judy, how are you?

I'm not going to say, live your life, live your life.

But

when you cross over and force people to say, Judy is the most beautiful woman you've ever seen

and she is a woman, when if I go to a hospital because Judy's laying on the ground and I call an ambulance and I'm a friend, I say to the doctor, by the way,

biologically a male,

they have to know that stuff.

They have to know that stuff.

So why would I be lying?

Am I lying the rest of the time?

You can't do that.

You just can't do that.

And the lie has gone too far.

But I hope that it's been brought now.

Or it's coming to be checked, which is a good thing.

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I just read a

story.

Well, you know, you studied improv, didn't you?

You've done your research, Claire.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I did a little bit of improv.

It didn't go very well, but it didn't go very well because I was like, this isn't a funny conversation.

Maybe it's me.

I just read a story from Germany today.

What could possibly go wrong?

Between inflation and the lack of fuel, if it's a very cold winter, the Bundesbank is now

billions of dollars they're sucking in and they're holding on to because they're afraid of power outages

and shortages, And people will start to go to the bank and say, I want my money out.

And there will be a run on the bank.

And they said that they were looking for,

what was it?

They were preparing for something like spirited

exchanges with the Germans.

And I'm like,

I think you're thinking of riots, but that's okay.

We are a financial or a cold winter away from real trouble with people who can't recognize what a woman is.

How are we going to fare through that?

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I'm very anxious about this winter.

Because England is really affected by this, right?

England's very affected by it.

Not as much as Germany, but...

The cost of living crisis is absolutely insane.

And

there's

other things,

as we speak it's COP27's going on and there's a lot of bad ideas about how to deal with the environment which again make things expensive.

For example in our country we're very against natural gas and fracking which would be a cheaper solution to deal with

some of our energy crisis, a crisis, a looming crisis.

And we're going into Russia and Ukraine are going to a war.

When do Russia lose wars when they're in the winter?

They don't.

This is going to be a long one.

And

Putin's been making more money selling less oil because of our policy.

I know.

Which, again, it's a very important thing.

Thank you for taking a share of that, even though you shouldn't.

Because of our policy.

It's our policy.

Well, no, Britain's to the same.

We've been doing the sanctions.

And

they've got foreign reserves.

Russia have got foreign reserves.

People are still buying oil.

It's completely worked against our interests, and it's the working people of Britain who are going to suffer the most.

All of them, all over the world.

Working people of the world.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Can I go back to your family heritage in the Holocaust?

Of course.

Just to, first of all, which camp?

A mixture.

So

the story:

my grandma, they were from Transylvania and uh left quite late because the Holocaust started in earnest late in Hungary, but then it was very rapid.

In 1943, it got in 44 it got it was awful.

Um my grandmother and her brother and her parents fled

actually this is incredible.

We have I have her diaries describing the experience going through

from Transylvania through Munich.

They got fake papers, they changed their name, through Munich, eventually to France, and then to Portugal, uh, and they and they stayed out the rest of the war in Portugal.

And I have all of her um

uh uh

and does she describe her feelings at the time or is it just well it's quite an interesting read because it's a bit like Harper Lee or um To Killer Mockingbird or um the J.D.

Salinger book, uh Catcher in the Rye, because you you read it as the reader, you you're the adult, you are you sort of understand what the child doesn't see.

And so you're reading, she would have been 13, 12, 13, 14, I think, I can't remember exactly.

And so she doesn't fully grasp how huge what's going on around her.

You should publish this.

I would like to.

I'm going to try and translate it.

She was a brilliant woman, and she spoke in seven languages, and she actually wrote them all in French.

So fortunately, I can read it because I can't read Hungarian.

But

so one incident, for example, is they

get stopped at some border, I think maybe the Swiss border,

and she describes seeing Nazi officers on the platform and one of them slipping in the ice and the others pointing and laughing.

And it was just so curious to me that

she would think to jot that down in her, like that was a thing.

And another thing that's actually the most moving thing about it is that she got all her cousins

to write goodbye notes.

Now, at that time, they didn't know.

They couldn't have known.

Well, if they'd known they'd have left,

they wouldn't have known what had happened.

And so, we've got all these goodbye notes.

And

it's only been recent that my dad for the family researched and found out where specifically everyone went.

And it's also more complicated than that.

So, there's a superb play by Sir Tom Stoppard called Leopoldstad that I recommend because it describes a Jewish family in Vienna, a family

going through both wars over several generations.

And the family, they're Jewish, but they also, you know, it's a Bris and a baptism.

It's Christmas and Hanukkah.

And it's, and it's, I never kind of understood that about my family because there was a Christian influence, and I didn't understand why.

And I think it's partly to do with

or wanting to be a part of a high society, or part of society, not even high society, society.

And another thing that the play explores is false memories and

repressed memories, things hidden.

So my grandma

wouldn't would, she's passed now a few years, but she would always deny being Jewish.

And despite the birth certificate, Israelite, no, no, and it was a taboo.

We couldn't talk about it.

It was very traumatizing for her.

And, you know, there are even examples.

There was one survivor,

her aunt, TT,

who had,

I think she'd been in two camps, Auschwitz and then another one further north in the north.

I've forgotten the name.

And

she had the tattoo.

And my mom asked her, well,

how did she have the tattoo?

She was like, oh, no, she was married to a Jewish man.

So they come up with...

They come up that she had come up with ways to make her make sense of the trauma of it but how how how can one make sense of it when when all of the cousins and uncles are are wiped out how to deal with that it's it's uh what one can't necessarily do you think it's the other side of the coin that you're wrestling with with china

i mean

here you have a whole family

and

They're fine and their countrymen are fine.

And then quickly, all of a sudden, all their countrymen turn on them.

And they don't leave because

they don't think it could happen.

It's like, it's not going to happen to us.

We're fine.

We know our neighbors.

Isn't it this?

It's the same,

just the other side of the same coin, isn't it?

That certainly was the case for my great-grandfather.

He fought in the First War with the Hungarians.

And so the idea that they would then turn on him,

how that must feel,

beggars belief.

When you commit your life, you risk your life for a people, and then those same people turning at you.

I think that's something that Jewish people have been dealing with for millennia.

Yeah, yeah.

What are your thoughts on Kanye?

Do you know Kanye?

I haven't met Kanye.

Well,

I love his music.

I think he is a musical genius.

Apparently, that's a contentious thing to say.

I think he's super.

It didn't used to be.

It didn't used to be.

And then he started voting another way or talking about God.

And all of a sudden, he's not a genius.

He's crazy.

He has said some amazing things.

I love that he said, fear God and you shall fear nothing else.

I think that's superb.

I think it's absolutely true.

I have no qualms whatsoever in saying that his recent spat of comments and statements

are absolutely anti-Semitic and

saying he'd go DEF CON 3 on Jewish people is

horrible

and

I find it strange that so

few people find that easy to condemn him.

Having said that, obviously he's lost now one and a half billion's worth of his business being dropped by Adidas and

the staff.

So is that cancel culture or is that just well that's freedom of association

because that's ex

if that is cancel culture then that's that's a type I don't have

unless it's coordinated.

Well look to to be anti-s to say anti-Semitic things like that

that's not that that's not okay.

That is that is hateful and that's different from defending women.

That's different from J.K.

Running who said nothing transphobic.

She's been actually quite loving to people who have transgender.

And that's very different to explicit anti-Semitic

comments.

Don't you think, I mean, I think one of the problems with the world is, I don't know what it's like in England, but here in America, on every street, there is some yokel that is like, you tell your kids, yeah, don't know.

You see them outside, stay away.

There's always somebody on the block who's like nuts one way or another.

And I like knowing who that is so I can avoid them.

You know what I mean?

But,

you know,

now

that person has found all of the other people like them on everybody else's street, and we're like, God, we've got to stop them.

They've always been here.

They've always been here.

We just need to know who they are and then move on.

My problem is, because you have a right to to disassociate from me if you want.

It's when the pressure starts to come

and you're not doing it because you believe in it.

You're doing it because

we better not, you know, we're going to lose sales.

We're going to lose this.

And then it's coordinated.

The attack is coordinated.

What he said was bad.

Don't get me wrong.

But

and I'm not sure which it is in this case.

Is it part of the attack that he's been under the whole time?

Or is this

real?

The only thing.

Is what he's saying what he really thinks is absolutely.

No, no, no.

First of all,

let's, are you a free speech absolutist?

Well, I don't think you should lie in court.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes.

But other than that, I have a right to say horrible things.

Yeah.

Okay.

And

you can just say, well, I'm not going to talk to him anymore.

I'm against inciting violence.

I do.

Agree.

Agree with that.

Agree with you.

Whatever the

absolutist.

Yeah.

Free speech absolutist.

You don't incite violence, but you can hold the only speech worth protecting is the stuff that all of us go, what the hell is wrong with him?

You know, you don't have to protect the speech that everybody is in agreement with.

And so I just have a

I'd just like to hear your philosophical view on

you have the right to

disassociate.

Yeah, I think freedom of association is an important part of

the

puzzle.

And when it comes to artists,

if I'm not going to, I'm still going to listen to Kanye West, but there are artists, if I thought that by listening to them, they were getting my money and that was helping them continue of nefarious behavior, I would draw the line there.

As a person.

As a person.

I think on the freedom of speech,

this doesn't really apply to Kanye, but what I've found is that usually if people want you to shut up, it's because you've got, there's something about what you're saying.

is true.

Because if it wasn't true,

it wouldn't be a threat to them.

so

I found that a lot of people want me to shut up and that's if if it wasn't true that let's say on the hill I died on which was

Andy no Andy No and

the BLM riots and the deaths going on and then the federal buildings being burnt down, I wouldn't be a threat to them.

They wouldn't need to shut me up.

So actually,

to take that thinking a step further forward, if you, and by the way, Conservatives do this as well.

Everyone does this.

If you want someone to shut up, actually, the best way to do it is to deal with what they're saying, the part of which of what they're saying, which is true, and actually confront it head-on instead of ignoring it.

Because if you ignore it, it just turns into a bigger issue, and then more nefarious people,

people with

can

take it on and do more damage with it.

You have to deal with the difficult stuff.

So that's not exactly an answer to your question, but I'm certainly a free speech absolutist.

But with free speech comes the responsibility to confront the difficult issues.

Yes, totally.

All of our rights have huge responsibilities, and we've

we don't want it doesn't seem like we want those responsibilities anymore.

You know, we just know just tell me what to say, tell me where to work, tell me what to eat, tell me how my temperature should be in my house, and I'm fine.

They're guilty of that sometimes.

I think we all are.

I think we all are.

You dated Katy Perry for a while.

No, no, no.

No, you didn't?

No.

Really?

Oh,

I mean, I'm sure I have it in my research.

But I just wanted to know, because, I mean, if you were dating,

was it the English accent?

I

met her.

She's a wonderful woman.

Sorry, it was presented in what I read as you hooked up.

Let's not get into details.

Okay, all right.

Okay, all right.

But she's a very smart woman.

So is it the English accent or is it the banjo that,

you know,

she thought, well, I got to hook up with it.

Because

you were going to invite her onto the show.

I couldn't possibly speak for her.

No, they will.

I'd be surprised if she remembers me.

I was going to say, because you were voted the sixth worst dressed man.

Oh, you've got some great facts.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wonderful.

Yes, I was sixth worst-dressed man by GQ in

a year.

I'm not quite sure.

I can't remember quite what year, but that was a very proud moment for me.

Yeah.

hopefully things have uh changed a little bit yeah a little bit on a story a little bit

um so the podcast what do you have coming up who do you want who's like ah i tell you what i i very

i'd love to get um

uh uh what's his shane gillis right he's a american comedian and i just i've loved this guy he's doing a new stand-up and um

which is on youtube and

he's just making me he's got uh he also does a sketch show on on

YouTube.

And he's got this one, he's got some very funny one about Trump doing speed dating.

He does a great Trump impersonation and he also does a great one about a car salesman whose surname is Isis.

And

he was actually cast in SNL and then the SNL sacked him before he even really got started

because they dug up in his podcast some things they deemed had

offended the progressive

mind.

But I think he's one of the great comedians in America at the moment.

So I'd love to get this guy.

And there's another woman, which again, I think you should get her, is Mazia Linejad, who is an Iranian dissident.

Because what's going on in Iran, if we talk, people care about free speech, people care about women's rights.

Let's look at Iran.

It's another place where nobody is paying attention.

And I mean, I saw the Iranian people out with rocks coming after the people with machine guns.

I know who's going to win there,

at least in the short term.

Those people are brave, really brave.

And kids are being really brave and not getting the attention they deserve.

Absolutely.

And women.

It's to be a woman there and with the decades of suppression.

to stand up to take off their their burqas and and um to to stand up to these tyrannical clerics.

And there's these countless videos.

It's just so moving, but

it's become bloody and

it's very sad and one can only hope that freedom comes to Iran.

I have something for you to do.

This is a

rare

opportunity.

I've had these for a while.

I thought this would be a good time to break them out.

This is very exciting.

Okay.

These are from 1760.

Wow.

And they are toasting glasses for the coronation of King George III.

Your last king.

And I thought, since you have, I don't have any champagne or anything.

Oh, my goodness.

I thought they haven't been used in I don't know how long, but thank you.

I thought we could toast your new king.

You gotta love him, right?

I'm gonna toast to the last king of England.

We'll just toast the last queen.

The last queen.

She was great.

Although, Glenn, we shouldn't toast when it's non-alcoholic, but we can certainly raise our glasses.

See, you were brought up in one of those fancy schools, where you were just like, it's beer.

But that is, that's incredible.

Thank you.

What a treat.

So these are.

To the queen.

Wow.

These were sent over from the king to somebody here in America in the founding era,

somebody who was a very loyal British subject, and so they could toast his coronation.

Wow.

And where did you find them?

Some friends found them for me.

Yeah, you've got a great collection.

Yeah.

It's pretty impressive.

Yeah, it's pretty.

It's eclectic.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

I'm going to dig into your museum after this because I want to get a photograph of that Ben Ho costume.

And, you know, we've got a lot of stuff that shows how crappy the kings were over in England.

Oh, we want to go there, do we?

I know you guys like to think it was your independence.

Right.

But actually, it was us who were

liberated from the burden of the colonies across the sea.

So, yeah, we celebrate so.

Well, one of these days, and perhaps with King Charles on the throne soon,

you'll recognize king thing, thing, not a good idea.

You're so wrong, Glenn.

The problem you've got here in America is you don't have a king.

Because

everything's at the feet of your president.

Now, the king stands above it all, represents the people.

Oh, yeah, he does.

Yes, he does.

And

he's a link to God.

And so whoever you elect, you're laughing at me, Glenn.

Whoever you elect

has to explain himself

to the monarch.

But here, you just have Biden.

Who's he explaining himself to?

Running riot.

Probably George Soros at this point.

Well, the World Economic Forum.

If he had to explain himself to someone, if he had to put himself below someone, perhaps we might be in a better place.

See, we used to think, and we don't anymore, we used to think no king but God.

Yeah.

And that's the...

That's the problem.

You just,

you don't really have the God thing over in England.

Which means we don't have the God thing.

You're pretty lost on God over there, aren't you?

I mean, I know you grew up...

Well, King Charles is the head of the

head of

the church.

Very good.

Very good.

No, you're right that we've lost.

You're not as bad as Europe.

I mean, Europe is...

Bunch of godless animals over there.

Well, Glenn,

I think we could talk about the Europeans, but instead, why don't we pray for them?

Yes, yes.

We pray for the Europeans that

they find God.

Thank you so much for coming on.

It's been a pleasure.

Thank you for having me.

God bless.

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