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is it time for a national divorce?

We preview tonight's Wednesday night special.

William Shatner is being shot into space in about half an hour, and we want to start in Loudoun County.

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Wow.

It's true, though.

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There was a time that that would really stand out as the story of the day.

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So I want to encourage you to find out where your school board meets and when they meet.

And I want to encourage you to go to the school board meeting.

Be there this month.

Make sure you're in attendance.

Even if you have nothing to say, quite honestly, even if you don't have kids in school, Just go to the school board meeting.

It is time for the

people of America to stand up and the biggest impact you have been making right now is locally with the school boards.

You are winning and that is why they're sending the FBI after people.

Now, the reason why they sent the FBI is because, well, the Biden administration actually asked the school boards to write and ask for FBI help.

Did you know that?

So

they were using Loudoun County really as the place where terroristic threats were made, even though there's not terroristic threats.

But one of the guys that was cited was the, we now know,

the dad of

a girl that went into a bathroom and a boy that says he's transgender, bisexual, he comes in wearing a skirt sometimes, went into the bathroom, and he raped this 15-year-old girl.

It is a ugly, ugly sexual assault.

Well, the school board covered that up and they knew all about it and they wouldn't say anything about it.

And that's when the dad walked into the school board meeting and he stood up and he was about to speak and about to say what he was going to say.

And

some

liberal

came up to him and said, I don't believe your daughter.

And he kind of went a little nuts, as I think all of us would.

And

she

was just being really nasty.

She immediately called the police over and he was taken out in handcuffs.

That's the video that we've seen a million times.

That's the viral video out of Loudoun County.

Well, last night, more than 60 concerned parents and students spoke at the school board meeting, many of them demanding the resignation of the superintendent Scott Ziegler.

Scott is the guy who

really covered all of this up.

Scott is the guy at that meeting saying, we have never had an incident of any kind of problems in our bathrooms with transgender students.

It just doesn't exist.

He said that the week of the kid raping this man's daughter.

He knew, he covered it up.

They passed all of the legislation or

all of the new rules for the school board and their bathrooms.

And they were claiming that there's never been a predator, transgender, ever in the history of the school.

It was just

conservative nonsense.

Well, it shows up that it's not.

Now, at another school, a 15-year-old boy was charged with sexual battery and abduction of a fellow student.

This, according to the sheriff's office, they won't say

if it was the same boy or not, because it's all confidential.

But the word on the street is it is the same boy.

He forced a female victim into her empty classroom where he held her against her will and

assaulted her, sexually assaulted her.

It may be the same boy.

It may be that there's no ramifications in Loudoun County for sexual assault for kids, and so this is what's happening.

I wanted to bring Pat in a little early today, along with Stu, my executive producer.

All three of us are parents, and I have to tell you, I think the parent, the dad, is the most restrained dad I've ever seen.

I don't know what I would have done had I been in his situation.

Pretty sure I'd be in jail right now.

I would have gone crazy.

Can you imagine?

Your daughter has been sexually assaulted.

I mean,

this guy's been charged with counts of forcible sodomy and other forcible sexual acts.

And then to have somebody come up and tell you,

I don't believe your daughter.

And this is a liberal.

Believe all women.

Right.

Believe all women.

Right.

Right.

If we can just save one child, all of that stuff.

Yeah.

All of that stuff.

These people don't care about your children.

And they will not acknowledge even the possibility of, let's say, a hetero person

portraying themselves as

trans, going into the bathroom and doing these kinds of things.

No.

I mean, how can you not, how can you deny that reality?

That that could absolutely and has already happened multiple times.

It's so inconsistent with

the vision they propagate of men generally, who are just non-stop sexual stalkers and people who are abusing women and all the time.

All they want is power.

And this kid is not transgender.

This kid says he's bisexual and he wears a skirt sometimes to school.

The kid is a sexual predator.

I mean,

obviously, he's a sexual predator.

And we don't seem to care anymore.

And I think this is the quintessential Bubba effect waiting to happen.

Because if that dad would have gone in and

taken justice

in his own hands, we'd all know it was wrong.

We all know he should go to jail.

But we also would all say,

wouldn't you have done that?

Wouldn't you have done that?

If you were the dad and you were just not getting justice anywhere and no one was listening to you and they were continuing to lie and they were lying and covering up this predator who had just done awful, awful things to your daughter.

and then they dismiss your daughter, cover it up, let the guy go, he rapes again.

Oh, my gosh.

I'd lose my mind.

And this Loudoun County School Board, how many times have we seen them in action?

There's been multiple stories over the last six months or so.

And the way they respond to people who have concerns

is so dismissive and condescending.

They're the ones who...

We don't have to listen to you.

Right.

Who do these people think they are?

I don't know.

And Virginia, if you are thinking about

reelecting

Governor What's his face,

McCullough,

are you out of your mind?

When he's actually come out and saying, you don't have a right for your children?

What do you mean I don't have a right for?

You obviously don't care about my child as much as I do.

All these things get used whenever they need them to be used, right?

I mean, mean, like, when it's college, we're told that the average college student is being raped at a rate higher than the Rwandan genocide.

That's literally what the statistics that they propagate.

One in five or something.

So it's not like one in four, one in five women get raped in college, which is obviously not true.

Why would any father ever send their kid to college if that were true?

Obviously, it's not true.

Yet at the other side, when we have an actual credible allegation of someone who actually went through this, we get, we don't believe you.

And then

the dad gets taken out in handcuffs.

Unbelievable.

It's incredible.

Unbelievable.

It's just not going to stand.

In their arrogance, they will fail.

This is just not going to stand.

People need to stand up and speak the truth.

And you know what the truth is.

These people are completely out of control.

And they're in your local district.

So they are in your local hands.

You have the right to demand answers from your local school board.

You have a right to demand answers.

You know, yesterday, again,

they're not having open meetings.

They're not having public meetings.

They're bringing everybody in one by one.

And so there's no one in the room except the speaker.

So there's no way to hear what any of the other speakers are saying.

There's no.

And you're not getting support when you're standing up.

You're not getting support.

You're facing this,

I don't even, star chamber.

Katie Young, a 14-year-old student, love to talk to Katie Young.

14-year-old school student in the school district claimed 840, and this is the policy about the transgender bathrooms, 840 and many of the policies that are being proposed are not to make people feel more comfortable or to accept others, but instead to change the way my peers and I think so we'll become the next generation of social justice warriors.

14.

I'm 14 years old.

The fact that I have to be here defending my rights to not have your radical agenda shoved down my throat in school is not only concerning, it's upsetting.

My peers and I are not tools to further your political agenda.

Holy.

So good.

Here's another mom.

These school board members knew about the first incident in the June 22nd meeting.

I'm sorry, but they all knew the case when they were here for the meeting.

And now another child has been hurt by the same predator.

And so we hold them accountable.

Nuts.

You know,

a really good example of what to do about this comes from one of our suburbs here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area with South Lake and what South Lake parents did at their school board because they were getting the same kind of treatment.

They're getting the condescending, oh, yeah, that's, that's cute.

Beat it.

We don't, we don't care what you have to say.

So three of the parents ran against three of the people on the school board and beat them and won.

It was like 70, 30, too.

It wasn't huge.

That was huge.

The community completely supported them.

Well,

there was also one parent, a guy who

runs the GOP,

and it's a very different GOP in this county.

And he's running for county judge now.

which is a very big deal.

It's not the kind of judge that you have everyplace else.

Anyway,

he's remarkable and he raised, I think, $250,000 to be able to do all the publicity and everything else so those people could get elected.

I mean,

it is what it takes.

It takes people parting with their money, hello rich people, parting with their money.

and supporting these parents and supporting these people and making sure that their voice is heard.

And

when you are standing up, you're not alone.

you are not alone

and I urge you every single person within the sound of my voice find out where your school board meeting is and send a message nationwide

believe me This is the school board association that asked for the FBI.

This is not just Loudoun County.

It was the

school board association.

So send a message to that association by showing up and being at your next school board meeting.

There should be no place to sit or stand, even if you're in a friendly town.

Send the message.

We are watching you and we are not afraid of you.

This comes from Rhode Island, North Kingstown.

Rhode Island schools are out of control.

Rhode Island schools are now promoting a book with gay pornography to minors in the school library.

The

pornographic book was published by Lionforge Comics.

It's titled Gender Queer, a memoir, authored and illustrated by someone who uses the made-up pronouns of E-M and air, I guess.

A resident of South Kingston and a mom of a kindergartner.

Mom of a kindergartner.

posted a picture of the book in a display case on Twitter and highlighted the pornographic images contained between the covers.

She also posted out an image of the typed out report that says that she sent to police writing that she is submitting evidence of distribution of pornography at North Kingstown High School and that the book was made available to minor children.

GenderQueer is highlighted in the library of several high schools in Rhode Island,

calling for the prosecution of the school employees who are responsible for its distribution.

The book, which is currently ranked number 11 in Amazon's LGBTQ

plus

11M97 graphic novels,

features discussion of gay sexual fantasies and is incredibly graphic, including scenes of gay men having sex and a scene of one man performing oral sex on another.

It focuses on bonding with friends over erotic gay fan fiction.

There is one scene so unbelievably disgusting.

It's not that I can't say it on the air, which I can't.

I also don't want it passing through my mouth.

It is so despicable.

This is an award-winning book from the School Library Association that

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Canada has always seemed like a crazy place when it comes to schools, but we are closely catching up to them.

An exhaustive and detailed memo from the Toronto School Board shares ways that teachers and administrators can help students hide their gender transition from their parents.

And you are expected to do this as a teacher.

In a memo called Guidelines for the Accommodation of Transgender and Gender-Independent Non-Conforming Students and Staff, the school board outlines best practices for how teachers should go about facilitating a student's gender transition.

These policies have been in effect since 2013,

But nobody knew about it.

They are deliberately hiding the information from parents.

All students have a right to privacy unless specifically directed by the student.

Schools must keep a student's transgender, gender, non-conforming status confidential, meaning you cannot tell the parents or the guardians.

School staff should not disclose a student's transgender, gender, non-conforming status to others unless there's a specific need to know.

I don't know.

I think that would be

apparent.

I have a specific need to know what's going on in my child's life.

Again, they are telling you that you are not in charge of your children.

And

I don't think the average American believes that.

Nope.

Isaiah 520 comes to mind?

Humor me for those who.

I'm pretending I don't know Isaiah.

Woe unto them that call good

evil good.

Yeah, it's bad.

We are absolutely living that time right now.

We are.

Absolutely.

And to show you how surreal life is right now, I invite my co-host to now look up at the screen and see William Shatner in a giant penis being sent off into space.

I mean, this is our life today.

This is our

It is.

That is what it looks like.

That is what it looks like, yes.

Did they do that on purpose?

Or is it just like a big space joke on the rest of us?

I don't know.

Space joke.

I don't know.

Well, because it's like that would be the joke you'd make about some CEO building a spaceship, right?

Like it's just a phallic symbol, basically.

And it is a phallic symbol.

It is.

And,

I mean, you know, they care about the environment so much, they're sending William Shatner into space.

I mean, that seems like a good use of

CO2, doesn't it?

Well, he does have experience.

Yeah.

Extensive experience.

He does.

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It is one year, one year later,

the New York Post published the Hunter Biden laptop story.

In this year, we have have seen an awful lot come to light.

And the Hunter Biden laptop story has been vindicated.

The New York Post has gone from Russian disinformation

to computer hacking to unsubstantiated to now absolutely accurate, 100% true.

They revealed a year ago his abandoned laptop, that it carried proof in it, that he sold influence while his father served as vice president and his dad now president, knew it.

The media said this wasn't a scandal.

This was Russian disinformation.

Twitter and Facebook rushed to block it.

They took all of the vital information that might have helped people vote and make a decision on who these people were.

They squashed it.

And in a year, here is

the best line from the Post's anniversary article.

The only thing that the media has learned is that it worked.

Big tech and big media got their way at the expense of our democracy.

They all got away with it, all of them, from the Bidens to social media companies to the press.

Now,

so far, I would agree with all of that.

I will say,

this material has been in the hands of Peter Schweizer for some time.

And Peter is known for being able and his team to dig into these things

and

make people understand how important they are.

He's done this several times.

I haven't told you this, but he is sending me an advanced copy

because he wants to join me.

He said, Glenn, you need to do a chalkboard series on this.

He said, oh, you can make this really understandable, he said, so I'm sending you the advanced copy so you can start working on the chalkboard.

And in the first week, couple of weeks of January, we're going to be going through with Peter all of the evidence and a chalkboard.

Oh, my gosh.

It'll be a week-long series.

If there's ever been anything that proves the value of a Belize TV subscription, that'll be because Peter going through that, I mean, that's going to be a book you're going to want to read.

You're going to want to watch the chalkboard series on it.

And I can't, can't, of course, guarantee that

the left will pay any attention to it or the media will pay attention to it or that social media will let you post any of it.

But I will say we will know what is in that laptop and we will know all of it.

Not just that we've seen a lot of salacious things out of it, but Peter will be able to not only find what is important on the laptop and by the way, multiple other email accounts he has access to.

It's not just a laptop that he has.

He'll be able to tie it all together with financial transactions.

I mean,

they're in trouble here.

This is a big

in a normal society.

This is a normal society.

This is not a normal society.

In a normal society, the DOJ would already be in on this.

The DOJ has been in on this for two years now and nothing.

The best chance that we have for Joe Biden to be held accountable for this is

his approval rating to be so low low that the left wants to get rid of him.

That's what happened with Andrew Cuomo.

They wouldn't have done anything to Andrew Cuomo.

But number one, he had pissed off a bunch of other Democrats in the state.

And number two, he was no longer worth their while.

He was starting to hurt them.

And so they were able to throw him to the wolves because.

And you want to throw it to Kamala?

I'm not saying I want to do that, but I'm saying if you're saying they do?

They get through a 2022 election where they get destroyed and they lose to the Senate and the House and he's got a 38% approval rating, they're going to start thinking long and hard about changing that whole situation up before 2023.

I think they're waiting for him to die.

I really do.

I think they're waiting for him to die, hoping that he will die in the next.

This is horrible.

I mean, God, I hope he's not.

No, seriously, that they wake up one morning and they're like, the president didn't wake up.

And then the nation goes into mourning, and then

they say his legacy is under attack by these mean.

I mean,

you can't take him out because Nancy Pelosi is the vice president unless Kamala picks one.

Now, normally, I mean, not really, but you can do it.

Normally, they pick one.

So, she is constitutionally the next in line.

If Kamala says, you know what, two women would be great.

I love Nancy.

You love Nancy.

Let's have her as vice president.

And the issue here, and this is one of the reasons people say all the time, like, oh, Joe Biden is doing so poorly.

He's such a disaster.

They're just going to get rid of him.

They're going to make him step down.

They're going to say, you know, he's got health problems, whatever it is.

And he goes away.

The issue with that is it's a 50-50 Senate.

So a 50-50 Senate means Kamala Harris's tie-breaking vote is no longer there because she's not vice president.

And you'd say, well, she's going to name a new vice president, right?

Problem is that needs to get through the Senate.

So they have to get somebody that Republicans would approve.

See,

if I were the left, I would be hoping that this man, I would be...

Shooting him up with vitamins and every possible thing I could to keep him going.

Yeah, as bad as a president, he is, politically speaking, they can't lose him.

No.

At least until 2022.

I think they both, they all realize that they are in massive trouble in 2022, which is why I believe they're acting as

at least partially why I believe they're acting as aggressively as they are, because they know this is going away anyway in two years, in less than two years now.

They realize that they're probably going to lose the election.

They're probably going to lose the House.

They're probably going to lose the Senate.

So whatever they want to get done, they need to get done now

and that is a calculation i think they've made which is different than what the obama administration made they had 60 senators and they slow played it thinking well we you know we can

compare let's remember let's remember those days

it was breathless in comparison in comparison in comparison to this obama slowplayed it and that's one of the lessons they they took two lessons they took over the past couple of uh elections Number one, when you get the presidency and you get the power, go for it.

Do everything you can.

Eventually people will forget about it.

They'll start embracing Obamacare.

We've seen the approval ratings come up.

You know, they forced all that stuff through.

Eventually people like their free stuff and they go.

So that's their theory.

Go for it.

Number two, stop playing this game like they did in 2016.

2016,

they let people know.

about the scandal with Hillary Clinton in her emails.

They talked about it.

Now, they dismissed it, but they kept talking about it.

They said, hey, you know,

this is a crazy accusation and it's not true for X, Y, and Z.

And they went through every little defense they could.

But the problem was people inherently could recognize there was a big kernel of truth there.

And they knew Hillary Clinton was corrupt and it reinforced that.

With Joe Biden and Hunter Biden on the one-year anniversary, they just never talked about it.

They didn't even give you the defense.

They're still not.

It was just nothing.

They're saying Joe Biden is going to be drawn into this FBI probe into his son Hunter.

There's no way.

The FBI is completely corrupt.

It needs to be shut down and restarted.

It's completely corrupt now.

I'm not saying the individual agents are, I'm saying the leadership is completely corrupt.

Nobody has any faith in it.

I don't have any faith in it.

Do you really think Merrick Garland?

He says, you know, we're going to make sure that we get these domestic terrorist aka parents.

And then, right after we find this out, we find out that his son, and his son-in-law and his daughter started a panorama education company and they are getting millions of dollars from these school boards

and incredible and you know they're like oh no it's just a no it's it is psychosocial issue testing

So they are testing your kids to see,

let me give you this.

It's quite an amazing thing when you look at at

what they actually say they're doing.

They are

checking,

shoot.

Anyway, they're checking.

I can't find the exact verbiage of it, but they're checking on the kids and their welfare and their safety and what they're feeling and what their parents and their families are feeling.

Oh, wait a minute.

What?

Why?

I didn't think parents had anything to do with children.

They're just data

collection.

Crazy.

But it's worse than that.

They're also recommending, for instance, they're recommending the new Bill Ayers book.

And it's for the teachers.

And one of them is Teaching When the World is On Fire

by Bill Ayers.

Oh, good author.

He should say,

he says, you as teachers should know that the system you'll be joining hates black and brown and poor kids.

I have

evidence that the system is organized to miseducate these children, and it includes the shameful lack of resources, enforced racial segregation, dumbed-down, and Eurocentric curriculum accompanied by a stifling top-down pedagogy and arcane rules and routines that result predictably in social shaming and widespread exclusions.

It's good to see, as an author, he's moved on from bomb threat notes to books.

To books, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah yeah

so um

they've gone on and uh they've put all of this in they're making millions of dollars it's his daughter and he's the head of the justice department and says we're gonna go get the bad guys we're gonna shut these people these parents down there's no credibility and there's and there's no way hunter biden uh is is gonna be prosecuted.

I mean, the media, they now know that all the stuff in that laptop is true.

How anybody who respects women can look at the stuff

on that laptop and say, oh, you know what?

Let's go after the coach in Las Vegas.

Yeah, exactly.

John Gruden's emails, are they worse than Hunter Biden's?

I would argue, absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

And we're reacting, I think, as conservatives with outrage, obviously, which is correct on this whole Merrick Garland thing, but we're acting as if this is a governor doing this.

Like, you know, okay,

Gavin Newsom put the state police against these parents who are going up to their school boards.

At least he would have jurisdiction.

Yes.

There is no connection whatsoever for the freaking FBI to be investigating school boards.

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What is the literal definition of why our government exists?

I mean, to protect our God-given rights?

Yes.

Governments are instituted among men to protect those rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

That's their number one job, to protect our rights.

Are they doing that in any way, shape, or form right now?

I mean, I was just going over something last night as I was writing some things about the

Bill of Rights.

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When you have a Democrat in, the other half feels like their rights are being taken away because they are.

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hey some really good news in California really good news I just want to I just want to tell you that Gavin Newsom just announced what we're doing here in California is unprecedented in both nature and in scale And he's right.

What's happening in California, I don't think nature has ever seen anything like it.

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One thing we all have to recognize now is that we are living in revolutionary times.

The country is now split, unlike anything I've ever witnessed.

Lincoln said, a nation divided against itself cannot stand.

That's where we at.

That's where we're at.

So what do we do about it?

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The Divid States of America, is it time for a national divorce?

We talk to him in 60 seconds.

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So William Shatner's in the capsule in the giant phallic symbol, and he's about to be shot into space.

And don't worry, if something happens,

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That's an American story for 2021 right there, really.

Strangely, it is.

Strangely, it is.

Only one part of that is

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That's the only part of what I just said that is not true.

Incredible.

Throw that out.

I believe that, but we should clear Superman bisexual, right?

He's not.

Oh, is he bisexual?

He's not gay?

Yes.

Okay, well, you know, maybe this is on one of his, he's like, whoa, what is that up in space?

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That seems to be

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It would be.

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Anyway.

Considering Red Fox died in 1990, nobody knows that.

It would be difficult for him to make an appearance on this phallic symbol.

Well, we'll see.

We'll see.

Stranger things, believe me, have happened.

Daniel Horowitz is here.

He's from the podcast Conservative Review, which you should listen to

and subscribe and rate with five stars, I think, is the appropriate number.

Five stars is the appropriate number of stars, yes.

Okay.

All right.

Daniel, welcome.

Well, it's great to be with you, and I'll take five stars any day at all.

Any day.

Okay.

So, Daniel, do we need a national divorce?

What would that look like?

Or do we just need

braver Americans?

Do we need braver,

I don't know, constitutional Americans?

Well, you know, Glenn, think about this.

How do you bridge the divide between people who think a man is a woman, a woman's a man, a criminal is a victim, a victim is a criminal.

If you don't wear a mask, you're a murderer, but I'll let murderers out of prison at the same time using that very virus as the pretext.

You don't have the right to have free, unrestricted movement unless you do as we say with your body.

But if you crash our border, man, you could go to all corners of the country anytime you want.

These are not light and transient causes.

This is not a matter of one issue.

Frankly, King George never did this.

King George never demanded we cover our mouths.

King George didn't have men in female bathrooms.

I mean,

those issues were really very economic.

It was over taxes.

We have never had this ever before.

It used to be politics was 10% of our life, and the other 90%, you know, we all have to eat, we all have to drink, we kind of do the same things, we like the same sports teams, and we could live together harmoniously.

Now everything is political to the point of literally your life, even before Liberty.

So we now have a scenario where they could force you to

take experimental therapies that showed that they have a lot of problems, but you don't even have the right to try a Nobel Prize-winning drug.

This is how divided it is.

So, what I would argue is we already have a national divorce, except it's one-sided.

So, for example,

you asked me to define what it looks like, and I'll define what it looks like, literally a divorce, which doesn't mean you part ways.

You have certain amicable

agreements when it comes to custody of the kids and certain assets.

And so we'll have the military, well, Social Security, it won't be perfectly two different countries.

But what I think we need to do is make the red states that we allegedly already supposedly should have control over exactly like the blue states are.

And when Trump was president, they didn't tolerate anything.

Even something like immigration, which is very much within the purview of the federal government, they harbored illegal alien sex offenders, and they actually in New York criminalized the enforcement and cooperation and transmitting any information to federal immigration agents.

So my point is there is no reason we can't go in the red states where we have four to one, five to one majorities and some of them in the legislative bodies and say this is immoral, illogical, illegal, it's unconstitutional.

It is not happening here.

And frankly, if we ever get the presidency back, that is what the blue states have already done and will do anyway.

Yeah, I mean, this is, it goes back down to state power.

I don't care what you do in California, but you're not going to charge me for it.

I'm not bailing you out.

I'm not living there.

If that's what you want to do, then that's fine, but don't bring it to my state.

And I don't know why we are not defending the Constitution.

We're arguing about all of these crazy things that are that have nothing to do with the Constitution and in many ways are in violation of the Constitution.

We should, I mean, how many, I'd like to know, really, honestly,

I really think we should begin conversations with people

like this.

Can you talk to me about the Bill of Rights?

Is there anything in the Bill of Rights that you disagree with?

If they say, yeah, I disagree with a lot of them, you know who you're dealing with.

If they say, no, not really, maybe the Second Amendment.

Okay, all right, well, we can talk about the Second Amendment later.

Let's just start talking politics now and

the policies.

As soon as they start talking about the policies, you say,

I thought you weren't against the Bill of Rights because I haven't moved.

They have.

They no longer believe in the Bill of Rights.

And you can't come together if you don't believe in the most important foundational document in our country.

And really, the most important right, as defined by Blackstone, is to walk in locomotion status quo without government acting against your body affirmatively in any way.

And the left always championed bodily autonomy in the courts really for

almost 100 years that you have the right to kill a baby, you have the right to a positive benefit to

get access to assisted physician-assisted suicide, all these cases we had.

And now suddenly you can't even have don't tase me, bro.

Hey, look, you know, you got your vaccine, you got your mask, you can do what you want, just don't force me to do it.

And now you have the ACLU as as the lead plaintiff in South Carolina, not only not defending your right to breathe in school, but actually defending your alleged right to force the other guy not to breathe.

And that's the point.

We don't shove things on them.

We're not demanding everyone take, you know, 5,000 IUs of vitamin D and ivermectin prophylactically, which actually would probably stop the spread even more.

Hey, look, we want to do it.

Just allow us to do it.

Don't stop us from doing it.

You could do it.

But they won't allow it.

So right now we don't have a national national divorce.

It's more like an abusive husband who has violated the social,

that compact, and we just have to evacuate ourselves from it.

And again, Madison's design has given us that

design.

I don't want to hear about, oh, we'll win back Congress or something with a narrow rhino majority.

Republicans have 19 states where they not only have the trifecta, but they have it with super majorities.

But here we have, let me give you an example.

There's this 16-year-old girl we're all talking about in Wyoming who was handcuffed for not wearing a mask.

Now, Glenn, all I'm asking is that in a state like Wyoming, where there is a 28-2

GOP majority in the Senate, there's two Democrats there,

that we could abide by and live by the same degree of post-constitutional liberty that we had on February 2020.

Is that too much to ask?

And yet we don't really have that.

The red states are a little better.

I mean, I know.

So, why is that?

So, why is that?

Why is that?

Why is it that Wyoming, of all places, doesn't stand up?

Well, you know, let me give you an example of what we just dealt with in Arkansas.

Similar dynamic, we couldn't even get a compromise bill immediately passed to allow an opt-out for weekly PCR testing.

That was New York's line in the sand a month ago.

So, we can't even hold the line that New York was pushing a a month ago or two months ago.

And that's because you look at a small state like Arkansas,

overwhelmingly people voted for Trump, but at the end of the day, it's not Republican and Democrat, conservative, liberal, right and left.

It's one oligarchy that's corporate government monopoly.

And you got Tysons, you got J.B.

Hunt, and you got Walmart there.

And they get what they want.

And the governor's bought out by them.

So you've got all these Republicans.

They get money from Big Pharma, from the Chamber of Commerce.

They'll doubt very broadly on life and guns.

I'm pro-life.

I'm pro-gun, you know, in a very broad way.

But when it comes to the issues that matter most to our lives, when they matter, at the time they matter, look carefully and you'll see both parties are awfully close to each other.

You used light and transient causes earlier.

The second line in the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence after the life, liberty, pursuit of happiness says that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That's no longer happening.

That when any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish and institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such a form as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.

Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes.

And accordingly, all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

So it says here, it explains human nature that most of us are silent because it's still okay.

And I think that changes once the economy really is hit.

I think once people start to realize, wait a minute,

I'm losing my job.

My money is worthless.

And I think it's probably too late by that point.

Well, I mean, this is why John Adams always said you have to nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud.

You know, they got a bad rap at the time, the Patriots, because it really wasn't that bad.

You know, a tiny little tax there, what's the big deal?

But they understood that if you wait until it is a big deal, it's too late.

And I think that's the problem.

I'll never forget a couple years ago, actually, right before COVID, our mutual friend and colleague Steve Bates and I did a show together, and we talked about just retiring.

I said, look, I'm always happier when I just tune it out, go on vacation, and it doesn't bother me.

But that was before March 2020.

Now

you can't run away from it.

They control every aspect of our lives

and our health,

what we do with our bodies.

It's terrible the emails I'm getting from show listeners that they can't get proper treatment.

People that got vaccinated and they get very sick, and we have to find all sorts of ways to get them treatment in a first world country like America.

This is something that I think we can't live through.

And Glenn, if we're just going to relegate those words of the Declaration to some sort of museum, some mosaic of history, then they're just hollow.

They're meaningless.

And we're not asking for a civil war.

We want to avoid that.

And I think a lot of people forget the Revolutionary War was catalyzed really by the body closest to the people.

It was the state legislatures that formed those committees of correspondence.

I think we need to make state legislatures great again, and that will make red states red again.

And, you know, we'll simply have red states that will behave the same way the blue states behave.

And we'll have a degree of self-sorting, and that will be healthier for everyone.

Yeah, it will be.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

God bless.

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I don't know if you saw the press conference yesterday with Nancy Pelosi,

but she and the president have let everybody in America know that she and the other sophisticated elite

Marxists think that you're dumb.

i mean they have much more worldly experience than you do much more knowledge than you do remember it was the sophisticated friends of barack obama who you know are educated and so they didn't have to wear masks

They're just more aware.

They understand these complex issues and have the subtle reflections and discussions that are necessary to save you from your simplistic thoughts and actions.

They think they actually know you better than you know yourself.

Because they're advanced and you're crude.

You're primitive, even.

I mean, you still cling to your God and your guns.

And anyone who holds on to the idea of God must not be able to think for him or herself.

So they've come up with an infrastructure bill.

And it's,

I want to quote, it will be a transformative agenda for the children, end quote.

Oh my gosh.

for the children, my children, your children.

Do you even know what's in this infrastructure bill?

Because it's going to affect your children.

Whether you know it or not, Nancy Pelosi says there's overwhelming support for this infrastructure bill.

And that's how they look at you on every issue.

They know better than you.

Even if you're not for it, yeah, it's because you're not worldly wise.

And so you really are for it.

The people who know about it, they're for it.

They believe that all Americans support the infrastructure bill just because if they don't, they just are stupid.

They don't know it.

But they also believe, whether you know it or not, that all white Americans are racist, whether you know it or not.

Only white people can behave immorally.

Segregation is good, but diversity of thought is bad.

There are more than two genders.

This is not a crisis at the border.

There was never any voter fraud.

China can be trusted.

Our rights don't come from God.

The right to your life, your liberty, your property, your food, your health all come from the government.

And Fauci knows.

He knows everything.

Even when he changes his mind or lies, it's still the truth.

Men can have babies.

Protest with looting, destruction, and destroying of property and killing, that's peaceful.

The cops are bad.

They're murderers, even.

Martin Luther King was wrong.

January 6th was worse than civil war.

Sticks and stones don't cause damage, but words do.

Words can be triggering.

We must peacefully stand together.

because we know things like that are not true.

We have to be sure of our convictions and our principles and hold steadfast while the world comes to rip them away.

They are chipping away at our foundations as both a nation and now individuals.

And we have to continue to strengthen our resolve, help each other.

Let them call us foolish, basic, and unsophisticated, because we know who we are.

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That airs right after a brand new Stew Does America.

Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

Coming up in just a few minutes, we have the pilots union leader from Southwest Airlines.

He's going to be joining me in the studio here in about 25 minutes.

Let me play cut six for you.

This is Nancy Pelosi lecturing reporters yesterday.

Our latest CBS News poll shows that only about 10% of Americans describe themselves as knowing a lot of specific things that are in the reconciliation package, and that the majority don't know anything at all.

So, do you think you need to do a better job at messaging and going forward?

How do you sell this if ultimately you have to?

Well, I think you all could do a better job of selling it, to be very frank with you, because every time I come here, I go through the list: family and medical leave, climate, the issues that are in there.

And

but it is true, it is hard to break through when you have such a comprehensive package.

So difficult to break through when you control the entire government and all of the media.

I know.

So hard to get your message right now.

It really is.

Okay, so let me just, let me go through a few things.

These are not failures.

These are intended, and they are intended to bring you to a reset the great reset remember when do you reset things when do you go downstairs into the scary basement to look at the fuse box

when everything is fine no

when there's been a disruption in power right something is blown in the house when do you push the reset button on your computer when everything is fine or just a little glitchy or do you just like i don't want to re and you just keep going until it completely freezes up and you have no other option but to reset?

So the things that this government, quote, is failing in are not failings.

They are to lead you to the great reset.

Let's go through some of them.

Supply chain, one more example of Biden failing at basic governing.

This is from Breitbart.

That's the headline.

It's not a failure of him governing.

This is intentional.

Southwest pilots warn fatigue, frustration could fuel further outages.

Well, I'll hear from the pilots union here in just a few minutes, but does anybody actually believe that the mandate plays no role in that?

CNN says Americans won't be able to go back to shopping like in the before times.

Oh,

okay.

The U.S.

health care force is short half a million workers now.

A main hospital just closed its NICU because of staffing shortages due to vaccine mandate.

Do you see what these all have in common so far?

U.S.

cities are having to boost budgets for cops after defund the police initiatives result in more crime.

Walgreens closes five more San Francisco locations due to theft.

This is happening in big cities where they have said, we're not going to prosecute anybody for shoplifting.

You're shoplifting under $1,000.

So people are just going in and they're just wiping these stores clean because police can't do anything about it.

Chicago suffering from officer shortage.

They can't find the recruits.

Believe they need, what is it, a hundred and

there's 877 vacancies.

I think they need about 1,600 officers, and they can't figure out why officers don't want to work

in Chicago.

Over the weekend, try this one on for size.

California moved one step closer to ending reliance on fossil fuels.

What they did is they banned all

off-road

gasoline engines.

So, you know, if you have a leaf blower, if your lawn service is cutting the lawn, using a lawn mower, can't be gasoline, has to be electric.

This will bankrupt so many small businesses.

50,000 businesses are going to be affected by this.

And it's only a matter of time before everyone has to do this.

Saki said yesterday, and I quote,

The president wants to use the pandemic to make fundamental changes in our economy.

Is that what you voted for?

Did you vote for a fundamental change in our economy?

He feels coming out of the pandemic, it is exactly the time to make fundamental change in our economy.

That's not what I voted for.

You want to know what's in that package?

All kinds of stuff that goes against the Constitution.

Janet Yellen said the $600

IRS reporting requirement is necessary because there's a lot of tax fraud and cheating that's going on.

Really?

Is there?

Do you know how much it costs to fill my truck now at the gas station?

$100.

$100 to fill my truck.

I can do that easily, easily.

In a month, six times.

If I'm driving the truck a lot,

at least four.

So

I pay my gas card.

It's a $600 transaction.

The federal government, the IRS, needs that.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

So now you're going after, you know, the post office worker,

the teacher,

the people who are the heroes in our society.

You're going after the people that have $50,000 to $60,000.

How much are you spending on food every month?

If you have a large family, can you spend $600 at the grocery store?

Wow.

So now you need to be spied upon by the IRS

because

your transactions are suspicious.

We cannot allow these things to happen.

This infrastructure bill cannot pass

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Southwest Airlines was a mess over the weekend, and now the news about it is a mess.

You don't really know what's happening.

Is this a sick out because of the vaccine?

Is this because

all of the pilots and everybody they're tired because of what's been going on because of COVID?

What is really happening and what are the pilots looking for?

We have Captain Casey Murray.

He is the president of Southwest Airlines, the Pilot Association.

He's the union guy and he's in studio with me and he just told me, have at it.

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So you know, and we'll get this information here in a second,

it doesn't appear that the union is against the mandate.

They just want it to happen after they've negotiated their contract.

Yesterday, the CEO Gary Kelly told CNBC, I've never been

in favor of corporations imposing that kind of a mandate.

However, they're complying with Biden's vaccine mandate, even though there isn't one yet.

The objective here, obviously, is to improve health and safety and not for people to lose their jobs.

2,200 flights were canceled over the weekend.

And to talk to us about this

is Captain Casey Murray, who is the head of the Pilots Association, the Pilots Union.

How are you, sir?

I'm doing well.

Thanks for having me, Glenn.

Thank you for coming in.

I appreciate it.

Yes.

I was shocked when you guys said yes to our invitation.

Yeah, well, we're out there, you know, we're trying to get the word out, trying to clear up some misconceptions,

and I'm proud of our pilot, so I want to speak for them.

Okay.

So tell me what is happening.

What's happening now?

Well, since you brought up

the TRO that we filed, we filed that on Friday.

We also have a status quo lawsuit that we've been forced to file.

We've amended that to sort of add on this aspect as well to show continuing status quo violations while we are negotiating our contracts.

What does it mean status quo violations?

Well, the RLA, Railway Labor Act, that we work under

and are contracted under requires the company, while we're in negotiations, can't make unilateral changes while we're negotiating.

And we've seen numerous

instances.

We've tried to work with them.

It is kind of the hallmark of what SWAPA and Southwest do, but we've seen that kind of fail over the past year or so.

Because of COVID,

they are just wholesale changing some really important things that

you haven't ever negotiated.

And if I'm reading this right, you're saying, hey, look, we've done a lot here.

Enough is enough.

Correct.

And all we've been asking for, and this is specifically what the TRO is

about, is, hey, we need to sit down and have discussions around this.

um our peers delta american united um

uh fedex ups they all have had agreements in place for six and and at times ten months um that addressed a lot of our concerns so and and your concerns are well pilots um one of the main concerns is pilots um are required to carry a medical certificate.

Every six months we go in, I have a full battery of tests,

and every six months, I mean, there's a risk that you could lose your career.

So with our pilot's license, we also have a medical certificate.

So a lot of our pilots and our peers pilots

want to know and have answered how's the company going to handle any sort of either long-term issues that come from the vaccines,

because that has still yet to be determined.

And then

negative.

Negative.

And then

even shorter term, what's going to happen

if I have a reaction and have to call in sick?

Is that coming out of my sick bank?

And so now it's being required, mandated, and we need these questions answered.

And our peers have done it, and we see vaccination rates from 90% and higher.

And then you look at United,

99.9% of their pilots are vaccinated.

We don't know, and the company hasn't shared with us what our vaccination rate is.

It is much lower than that.

And I would venture to say probably half that.

And a lot of that has to do with our pilots' trepidation with not having a lot of these questions answered.

And that's all we're trying to do is get them to the table.

I mean,

APA at American, their pilots union, has over 11

different

MOUs, memorandums of understanding, addressing these things.

And we see what it does to the vaccination rates.

So when I see pictures of pilots, because they're going, there's lots of them.

Do we have any of them here?

Here's one, a don't tread on me flag, hanging out of the window of a Southwest jet, out of the pilot's window.

Show,

do you have the, okay, there's all kinds of pictures of Southwest pilots out online as well.

And that seems to be anti-vaccine.

Yes.

Do you have any idea how many of your pilots are going to to probably end up getting fired?

I would say that until a lot of these questions gets answered,

we really don't know.

It's kind of a twofold sort of issue.

There are those

that feel very strongly that the government mandate crosses and steps on the Constitution.

And I respect that.

There's a lot of very personal decisions.

But the flip side side is

they also don't want to go into

being mandated for a vaccine where their questions as to where their career and where their families stand and their families' well-being moving forward,

they have to be able to make decisions using

some concrete data.

And we're still waiting on that from our company.

And by data, I mean having some of these questions answered.

So what is

you're just because I don't think I heard that yesterday from the CEO.

Did you, Stu?

I don't think I heard him address

these

concerns.

It's very clear.

Just and I've brought this up twice already.

It's look at our peers.

Look at where our peers' vaccination rates are.

Look at what they have done proactively to address this.

We have done nothing.

Southwest, we have tried

for six months to force them to sit down and have discussions about this.

We even went so far as forcing a letter of agreement during negotiations across the table

because they weren't interested in having the discussions.

They have it.

It's in their hands.

We still have not sat down and had real discussions.

We did have a meeting on Monday that was really, I would say, forced by the TRO, even though it hasn't been ruled on yet.

But I mean, I think Southwest felt, okay, we have to do something.

And we presented them with dozens of questions and we're still waiting answers.

We're a week and a half half

past

when the federal contractor mandate came out, and we're rapidly approaching a deadline.

Well,

it's still just a vocal.

There is no written policy.

It's not law.

It's not even an executive order.

Absolutely.

Yes.

But when your company tells you you will or you will be terminated,

there is

a conscious feeling of a threat.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: So many people don't have a union.

And

a lot of people, I am, I'm glad I'm not in a union.

I think unions are really important

when companies get out of control.

And

in the same way, I think when unions get out of control, they're just as bad as the out-of-control

company.

But this,

I mean, I'm wondering if a union, if you're working working as a pilot and you don't want the vaccine and you're going to get fired for it, are you going to defend those guys?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

We have to, and we will.

We will defend them if that's what it comes to.

But it is our job in representing them to provide them with as much information and force the company to come and get these questions answered.

So what would that mean if you, after you get the questions and

because you guys aren't,

is the union against the mandate?

We are against the mandate.

You are against it.

Not even with more information, you're against it.

We're against the mandate.

Our whole thing is it is a pilot's choice.

It is a pilot's family choice.

It's a very personal decision that has to be made.

And so

we believe that

by

providing these answers and the company providing these answers, answers.

I mean, there are so many things, even outside of the medical, I mean, we still haven't had questions as to who's making the decisions

on these exemptions, so medical, religious.

We don't have answers to that.

How's the information going to be protected in the HIPAA environment at the company?

We haven't had answers to those.

Is there an alternative means of compliance?

Like the original mandate that Biden put out even before this contractor issue, there was an alternative means of compliance.

Housing.

The other

testing testing.

Yes.

How is,

what about natural immunity?

We have pilots right now that have COVID.

And those pilots now say they recover this week.

They still can't get the shot for 90 days.

Well, that's outside the window.

How is that going to be handled?

So so many questions that we don't have answers to, and our pilots don't have answers to, and our pilots can't make decisions.

Our pilots use data.

Our pilots

look at all the available information

and then make the decision.

And again, I point back to our peers.

Our peers address this proactively and look at where they're at.

So

what is Governor Abbott's

ruling or his executive order here in Texas where no company has to follow that?

Well, that's part of the issue as well for us, not having the ability to sit down and have these discussions with our company.

Our legal team is looking at that.

And then in the midst of looking and seeing how that is going to affect our pilots, Gary Kelly comes out yesterday and says that he's not going to abide by that, that he's going to abide by

Biden's mandate.

Which doesn't exist.

But the governor's does.

Yes.

Yes.

I know they did send something over to OSHA, supposedly, over the past 24 hours or so, but it's certainly nothing's official yet.

It does seem like it's something to intimidate these companies to just go along with it before there's even a rule written down.

Yes.

I think there's a lot of people that

are hoping somebody takes a stand because the little guy is taking a stand and getting squashed.

And the government is just telling them what they can and can't do.

And they are,

I mean, I think there was a lot of hope, at least there was with me.

When I saw you guys, you know,

have your difficulties this weekend.

I was hoping that it was the pilots stepping out and saying, no, we're not going to do it.

We're reasonable people.

You know,

as you said, many have already had COVID.

I've had COVID.

I had a bad bout of COVID.

I believe in my antibodies.

I don't know why this is the exception to something that we know about the human body.

And I have no problem with the vaccine, but I know I don't really give a flying crap what the federal government says.

This is unconstitutional.

And

I think there's a lot of people hoping that

you were

standing up for that, or at least a few pilots were standing up for that.

And I was very clear, I think, earlier when I answered that question.

We are against the mandate.

We are not anti-vaccine, but our pilots are in a unique position.

Unlike the rest of the population, we have to maintain a medical, and there's a lot of unanswered questions.

And a lot of those questions can, and a lot of those fears can be allayed by

how is our insurance going to be handled?

And we carry a loss of license insurance as well as an LTD, an STD.

So the long-term disability and short-term disability.

We also carry loss of license specifically for our medical.

So if we lose our medical, we have some

at least income insurance when we can no longer fly.

They really need to come up with a better abbreviation for

STD.

It's just not a good.

All right, hang on, hang on, hang on just a second.

Let me take a one-minute break after that.

And we'll come back.

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We're with the president of Southwest Airlines Pilots Association.

His name is Captain Casey Murray, and we're talking about the Southwest Airlines vaccine mandates and the trouble that they had over the weekend.

So you mentioned the medical

certification you need to have every six months.

Yes.

So they're requiring you to upkeep some level.

What does that mean exactly?

What's on it?

It's an FAA requirement.

So

we have certain classes of medicals.

Our pilots have to maintain a first or second class, whether you're a captain or first officer.

And

so

it's, you know, any type of heart issue, any type of high blood pressure, depression,

diabetes, I mean, any of those things can

kill your career.

And so.

So would they argue, though, that you, every six months you have to do this anyway?

Why is COVID-19?

We're in the middle of a pandemic.

Why wouldn't you have to maintain the vaccination status?

Well, I think that

because of some of the unknowns with long-term issues with the virus, we've also seen some shorter terms,

myochiartis.

Sure, sure.

Yes, with the vaccine.

And it's a low number, but that can be a disqualifying event for a pilot.

And so

back to

how is the our loss of license plan is company administered.

So the company has to answer those questions.

So you and you and you're saying that

what would actually happen with the cancellations?

What's the story behind that?

Because

I've heard what Glenn was saying, you know, that there was some sort of sick out situation.

You guys are saying that's not true.

What actually happened?

Well, I want to be clear.

So I'm glad you brought it up.

So

it's now

Wednesday.

So we've kind of looked back over the weekend to see exactly what occurred.

And looking at our pilots' performance, I'm very proud of them.

Our pilot sick rates were right in line with where they were this summer during the same sort of long-term meltdown that Southwest had.

Looking at our pilots are the most productive in the industry.

That means they do a lot of work on their off time.

It's what Southwest relies on.

It's what makes Southwest different.

Southwest does more with less.

And

so our, so looking at our pilot pickup rates, they're working on off days, those things, those were as high as we've seen them.

So those two together sort of address where our pilots were.

There was no job action.

There is stress.

I mean, this mandate.

So then what caused this?

Well,

Southwest works in a very dynamic environment, as do our peers.

Weather is what we deal with every day.

There's nobody else that was.

Correct.

So

Southwest does operate in a completely different environment,

meaning our network.

Our network is completely different than everyone else's.

It's complex,

point to point.

A line of thunderstorms moves through Atlanta.

Delta shuts down a push of airplanes, meaning all the ones coming in are out.

And when the thunderstorms push through, they're right back on.

They might have canceled flights, but they're right back on.

Our airplanes are at all of our out stations.

And so when someone gets sick, when an airplane breaks, when there's weather, then there there is a domino effect that is more difficult at Southwest to recover from.

Now, that being said,

I feel very strongly that we've seen this happen for the past two years.

We've seen sort of these events happen and take four or five days to recover.

This weekend is a.

Okay, hang on, because I have to take another break.

I want to continue this

because I think I understand what you're saying, and it is a breakdown of

just because of the COVID virus

and what you've been going through.

But I want you to finish explaining that here in just a minute.

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Captain Casey Murray, he is the president of Southwest Airlines Pilot Association, and he is with us to talk about

the vaccine mandates, which the union is against,

but they are trying to work with Southwest on getting some information,

and they're in the middle of negotiation.

You just said that

it was not a sick out.

You show the numbers that it wasn't.

And you said that

you structure things differently, so it's point to point.

You don't have a hub?

Yes.

Yes, we don't have multiple hubs.

We have some larger stations, but it's generally point-to-point.

Okay.

And so then what exactly happened then?

Well,

there was an issue in Florida, and so that affected us, and that caused sort of an increasing domino effect.

What I have been asking for and what our association has identified for four years is,

and what we're asking Southwest is to make a proactive statement of what you're going to be doing to make sure this doesn't happen again.

We are continuing to see it.

We've offered many different solutions scheduling-wise, and that's what we see is sort of inefficiencies in the scheduling processes as well as

not complete IT infrastructure and support.

I mean, the algorithms that must run the airlines, I mean, is it a different kind of algorithm

that everybody else uses?

It is.

It definitely is.

You know, we have

lots of airplanes going into lots of cities.

Delta American United do too, but they all end up

back in their homes.

Atlanta or Salt Lake or DFW.

Yes.

Dallas.

Okay.

Let me play a pilot.

This went viral over the weekend.

I don't know if he's one of your pilots or not.

Watch.

You have it?

I've been an airline pilot for 18 years and now I'm facing an ultimatum.

Not a choice, but an ultimatum.

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This syndrome changes our idea of a new and acceptable normal.

Soon, we will not remember what it was like to have the freedoms we once did.

Our children and our grandchildren will experience less freedom and they won't have the privilege or the pleasure to enjoy the same choices our parents had or that we have.

If we give into these mandates and we do not stand up for our freedom of choice, we dishonor every armed service person over the last 257 years.

A disservice to the people who have fought and bled for the very freedoms we enjoy.

Whether you believe in vaccination or not, I'm standing up for your freedom of choice.

You may support the vaccine mandates because they fall in line with your current beliefs.

But if we let this happen now, there will be a day when what you're told to do will not fall in line with your beliefs.

If we do not stand together and fight back in one voice, soon we could be told where to live, what job we will do, what religion to believe, and how many children we can have.

So you really want someone telling your children or your grandchildren what, when,

and how they will live every minute of their lives?

I mean,

that's a reasonable place to be.

And is that person going to lose?

I mean, I'm not saying he works for Southwest, but if that is the point of one of your union members, do they lose their job if they say, I can't do it.

My conscience says I'm violating something sacred to me.

Well,

that's brought up questions since Gary Kelly said yesterday that

no one will lose their job.

But they've told us very clearly that they will terminate you if you don't.

If they provide an exemption, medical or religious,

are they, and we've had some answers, that they're going to put them on non-paid status.

So what is really the difference there?

That needs some clarification.

And I would say Gary Kelly's statements yesterday actually added some more uncertainty into an already very uncertain mix.

So you're not going to get fired, but they just won't pay you.

You're still working.

You're still working.

But they're not paying you.

Semantics.

That's good.

I think I had that deal with ABC.

Yeah, I remember that one.

You remember that?

Let me go here.

Southwest,

like JetBlue in the day,

you guys have always had a different reputation.

And everyone is just falling into line.

And it seems to me

that

somebody has a great opportunity to do something different

and to

stand up for some of the values.

How is this affecting your culture?

Well,

most of our pilots came to Southwest specifically for that.

That was kind of their psychic wage they got because we were...

Well, And most of them were military pilots, if I'm not.

We're about 50-50.

50-50.

So again, there's that psychic wage that they were paying us because we weren't making as much as Delta American United and still don't have the opportunity to fly heavy jets and across the oceans.

And so people came to Southwest very specifically for that.

And a lot of them feel very strongly.

I feel very strongly about that culture.

In the lead-in, as we were getting started, you had mentioned what was going on with with Bezos and you mentioned culture.

Yeah, and you mentioned culture.

And

Herb Kelleher started this airline on that very foundational principle.

Colleen Barrett,

who was his

sidekick and one of our beloved leaders for many years, she wrote a book and it said, during times of

stress, you have to be ultra-focused on culture because that's where you lose it.

And I would say that for the past five years or so, that's where we've been.

And we are fighting for that for all the employees of Southwest Airlines.

We are seeing the degradation of that.

We are seeing it becoming more of a legacy carrier.

But that is something that all of us hold very near and dear to our hearts.

It will kill you.

Yes, it is.

Because you're not a legacy carrier.

We are something different.

We are the little, scrappy little airline.

And

our pilots, like I said, I'm so proud of what they did this summer.

I'm proud of what they did this weekend.

They will continue to do it.

They will protest and let their voices be heard, but it's not going to be at the expense of our customers.

They are number one,

and I have the utmost respect for every one of them for doing it.

Let me play devil's advocate.

Let me play the corporate side here for a second.

Okay.

Let's just say we don't agree with mandates.

We hate these mandates.

But if we don't do it, whether it's an actual mandate or not, This government is using every tool at its disposal from financial services to bailouts to the FAA.

I mean, the FAA, you want a Gestapo, they could become a Gestapo quickly.

And

what is the corporation supposed to do?

Well, I think the corporation, I think it is their duty

to all of their employees to fight it to the best of their ability.

It's a two-party contract that they have with the federal government that they're using to do this.

Exert some pressure.

Delta hasn't announced a mandate yet,

or maybe they don't.

But I do expect to be fought for.

Well, I saw that it's, you know, they say, well, we have government contracts.

It's 2%.

Yes.

I would cut 2% in a heartbeat if it was tying me down to something I didn't believe in.

Well,

that's a very touchy situation because coming out of COVID, coming out of what we saw last year,

2%

is when we had 0% last year.

And I'm not talking the contract.

I mean,

we understand that portion of it.

But I do expect them to fight

and work through alternative means of compliance, those types of issues, natural immunity, antibodies.

I want those questions asked.

And answered, because you've already asked them.

Yes.

Thank you so much for coming in.

When do you expect to hear?

We were hoping to hear something by the end of this week.

We're probably going to sit down with him again at the beginning of next week.

I spoke with

our vice president of flight ops last night.

I've spoken to him every night this week.

I've also spoken to Bob Jordan as well, and he's been very receptive.

Our vice president said that they were trying to get as much as they could to us as quickly as they can.

I will tell you that I have a friend who stayed with me over the weekend and flew into or flew out of Vegas to Dallas because it was a $40 flight.

I immediately said, Southwest.

And they said, Yeah.

And she was delayed because of the breakdown over the weekend.

But she said it was worth $40.

I mean, I can't even fill up my gas in my gas tank.

Amazing.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Thank you so much for having me.

You bet.

Captain Casey Murray is the president of Southwest Airlines Pilots Association.

I would,

he seems like a decent, honorable man, and

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I thought he was a, I mean, you know, I don't know what I expect when I meet a union boss, but I thought he was really,

I liked him.

Really nice, and I think making really obvious requests, right?

Yeah.

You know, like if you go get the vaccine, we all know that, you know, some people get sick for a day or two after, like minor side effects, but not ones you're going to go to work with.

Right.

So you're telling me you you can't make sure those are not taken out of the guy's sick days?

It shouldn't be out of your sick days if you're asking them to go get this.

Correct.

That's something that a lot of companies are doing, too.

Right.

And when he talked about your culture, I expect Southwest to be the first in line to say something like that.

And, you know, for them to have a 50-50 vaccination rate,

that might have something to do with, you know, a lot of their pilots are being,

you know, being

former Air Force or Navy or

whatever.

The other thing is

they're a different culture.

You know,

you are

the enemy here, right?

It's not the enemy is certainly not COVID, as we know.

I mean, they're letting people get, they're not even testing them or forcing them to get vaccines when they come across the border illegally.

So obviously, this is not a COVID-related policy.

It's about control and it's about the fact that they don't want different.

That's the enemy.

Different is the enemy.

You're telling me you can't have a little bit of disagreement about something like that.

No, they want diversity.

They don't.

They do not want to diversity.

That is the last thing they want.

They do.

They just don't want so much white in it, and everybody has to think alike.

But other than that, they are totally for diversity.

They also don't want Tim Scott, right?

They don't want, they don't want, it has nothing to do with color or race or anything.

I mean, you're seeing this.

They want universal thought is what they want.

They want universal thought that also happens to agree with them.

And

that goes against everything that Southwest has ever stood for.

Yeah.

I mean, they're the ones that, I mean, they really revolutionized things.

Oh, yeah.

And they have no problem standing up to the government because they were the victims of all sorts of ridiculous laws on where they could fly and how they could fly.

And he mentioned Herb Kelleher, who really went to bat to stop all that and

just said, no, we're doing it a different way then.

Fine.

I'd love to hear what the pilots of Southwest have to say about Casey's appearance here.

You know,

is that what you're for?

Because I was a little confused.

He says the union is against the mandate.

Yes.

I think they're against the mandate, but then also, in addition to that, in addition to the point that there's a lot of the pilots who just don't want the vaccine and have made that choice for whatever reason, in addition to that, there are people who probably would get it or consider it, except for these ridiculous, sort of unanswered questions about whether they're going to get paid if they get sick or what's going to happen you know you mentioned the myocarditis thing which is a known rare side effect particularly on younger men um uh of of of the like pilot age

yeah maybe yeah yeah right uh of the of uh the mRNA vaccines it's pretty you know pretty rare and it's one in several million but as he mentioned if they have a heart a heart check that has to be put in there every six months, well, what happens?

What happens if they're not?

Their career is over and there's no place over.

There's no place you can go.

So understandably, a pilot would say, wait a minute, like you, there needs to be a series of guarantees here that if this happens to me, God forbid.

I'm telling you right now, if you were a hospital somewhere in Texas, let's say, and you said, we're not going for the mandate thing.

You would have the cream of the crop.

You could get the best of people that are

that are, you know, that are really good, they just don't agree with the mandate.

We're seeing that with nurses right now.

Oh, yeah.

Where nurses, some of these nurses in Houston got fired and they're able to go and get double and triple the pay in other places because

other places don't have the same mandate.

You know,

if you're a pilot and you don't agree with it, there's, I mean,

I think that we have a really good opportunity to self-sort here.

I'm not doing it because I don't agree with the mandate.

And,

you know, that's fine.

There's got to be a way to relieve that pressure.

Companies that are looking to hire really good people,

you've got a lot of them that are leaving their jobs, being forced out of their jobs because of the mandate.

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