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Today is a riveting, riveting show, start to finish.

Hour number one, we had General Jerry Boykin on with us.

He is the guy who was the original Delta Force.

He commanded the Green Berets.

He ended up being the

general over all of Special Forces

and then went into the Bush White House, was deputy, I think assistant director of National Intelligence.

He's a pretty controversial controversial guy because he speaks common sense.

He's one of the guys who signed the letter from all of the generals and admirals of the past that said, we're in trouble constitutionally and Americans need to stand up right now.

I asked him what that was all about and why he did that.

I also talked to him about, you know, white supremacy being the biggest problem in America.

It's an interview you don't want to miss.

The second hour of the broadcast was all about the economy.

I I tried to break inflation down and what's called forbearance.

I tried to break it down so you understand it because what's coming our way will change our country forever.

And in hour number three, those who are fighting back.

And is it working?

How do I connect?

What are they doing that is working?

All on today's podcast.

You're listening to the best of the Blenbeck program.

This man was one of the original members of the U.S.

Army's Delta Force.

He was privileged to ultimately command these elite warriors in combat operations.

Later, he commanded all the Army's green berets, as well as the Special Warfare Center and School.

He spent 36 years in the Army.

His last four years as the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence.

He's

an ordained minister.

And he is the head now of the Family Research Council.

He is the executive vice president.

His name is Lieutenant General William Boykin.

General, how are you, sir?

Hey, Glenn, I'm doing well.

How are you?

I'm good.

It's good to hear your voice.

Good to be with you.

I want to start with the letter that was released the other day from the Flag Officers for America.

Can you go into that, and especially for people who haven't heard it, go into the warnings

and why you and others felt it was important to make these warnings?

Well, Glenn, we all took an oath to the Constitution of the United States.

We had no expiration date on that oath that we took.

Even though we took off the uniform, we all feel that it is still our responsibility to support and defend that Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

And so we felt that we had to

do something.

This is a first step.

We don't know what the next step is going to be precisely, but we are in this for the long haul.

And as we wrote this letter, we tried to outline

for not only the President himself, but for America, the things that we see that are

jeopardizing in an existential way the future of our nation.

And it will, in fact,

ultimately wind up in us not being a constitutional republic.

Now, we started out with voter integrity, and We made no claims directly that the president was illegitimate, but what we did do is we did point out that both the court and the Congress just completely ignored

the charges that were brought

up in terms of the voter integrity.

And we clearly know that there were things within this election like dead people voting and illegal people voting and people voting without identification and state legislatures changing their laws without going through the proper process.

So we point that out in here.

You know, I said, Jerry, to the former president, I don't know if

there was enough to sway the election.

That would have to be proven.

But you'll never convince me that this wasn't a very dirty election

that may have gone the other way if we knew the truth.

Is that kind of where you are standing, where I don't know, but we have to have faith in our election.

We have to either prove or disprove it.

That is exactly where I stand personally, and I think this group as a whole, and that's basically what we say in the letter here.

There was voter fraud, no question about it.

Now, there's voter fraud in every election.

This year, though, if you look at the evidence that

is verified evidence,

there was a lot more voter fraud this time than

we are aware of in previous previous elections.

And you know, we just had a court ruling up in Michigan that the Secretary of State up there violated the law in the voting process.

So whether there was enough fraud that it would have made a difference or not, we're not addressing that

in this letter.

And I personally don't know the answer to that, just as you said.

But that we know that there was some voter fraud, there was irregularities there.

And what we were saying in this letter is that we have to have a system that people can have confidence in, that everyone is allowed to cast a vote, and that vote will be counted, and the will of the people will be served as a result of that election.

And

we have to do that in order to maintain this constitutional republic.

And then we go on to talk to them about

the way that our constitutional rights in many areas are being eroded right now.

Before we get into that, let me ask you:

I really

thought it was horrible when

former prosecutors and

another time,

former generals and everything else came out against Donald Trump.

And when they did that, it was purely political, it felt to me.

And I could see if I were for Joe Biden, I might look at this letter and say, you only are playing politics.

You're only saying this because it's

Joe Biden.

Yeah.

Well,

Joe Biden happens to be the president right now, but what we are seeing is we are moving to becoming a Marxist nation and seeing the erosion of our liberties.

It doesn't matter who the president is or the vice president.

What matters to us is what we're seeing happen to our country.

And you cannot deny anymore, no longer can you deny that we are becoming a Marxist nation.

And that is something that obviously you and I both have taken a lot of flack for over the last four years as being,

you know, we've been called racist, superior,

supremacist.

A supremacist, yeah.

And

we've been called conspiracy theorists and all kinds of things.

The reality is today we have openly Marxist organizations in the streets of America that no one is doing anything about, but more importantly, we have them in our Congress.

We have sectors of our society that are being represented by Marxist, Marxists, hardcore Marxists, and

just start.

They call themselves Democratic Socialists.

Well, go back and study a little bit on what Marxism really is.

And there is no such thing as a democratic socialist to begin with.

That's

a term that has been coined here.

But Glenn, we're seeing a Marxist movement here that goes all the way back to 1958 when the Communist Party USA wrote The Naked Communists.

and told us exactly how they were going to take over America.

And a lot of what we address in this letter is exactly what was written in that book in 1958.

And we see it unfolding now at a very rapid rate.

And we address it in here.

So if you're in the military now, you're

the current General Boykin,

and you're seeing what is happening to the country, and you're seeing what's happening to the Pentagon.

I mean, it is

phenomenal.

when you have people now in solitary confinement, I think a violation of the Eighth Amendment for an extended period of time, at least, in solitary confinement and

a ramp-up of the,

I think, the lie that white supremacist is the greatest threat to our republic.

You're being sent a message and the military is being looked at and you, you know, they're looking for enemies within.

If you are

a flag officer now, Jerry, what would you be thinking?

You know, if I was a flag officer now,

I think I would be

probably

ready to walk into whoever I reported to and lay my stars on the table and say, I can no longer with good conscience be part of this because of the oath that I took in 1970.

And our military today is being used as an

experimental test bed.

You know, you can't change American society in a substantial way unless you change the military.

And I don't know, Glenn, if you've seen the latest recruiting video.

I have.

The cartoon.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

it is so disturbing, especially when you think, what are our adversaries doing?

What kind of people are they recruiting?

And how are they pitching the opportunities associated with serving in the military.

And what they're doing is they're appealing to not only their patriotism,

but their willingness to go out and put their lives on the line for

the country that they love, the country they live in.

But if, you know, here's what people don't understand if they haven't served.

You can give a soldier all the technology in the world.

You can give him everything

that is available.

But there's nothing more important on that battlefield than the cohesion and the morale of those men and women that are out there fighting.

That cohesion, and I've written people up for the Medal of Honor and seen them in the White House get the Medal of Honor because they sacrificed their lives.

for the other members of their team.

Look, you don't get that by sitting people down in a classroom and saying, all of you guys over here that are white, you are oppressors.

All of you guys over here that are black, you are the oppressed.

And they are the ones that have done that to you.

How do you build cohesion?

How do you build a strong team?

You don't.

That's kind of nonsense.

And I think that is exactly the intent.

I mean, the intent of Marxism is to divide and conquer.

And the military was the one place that still people had faith in and was,

you know, cohesive.

And it is being torn apart from the inside.

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Well, I'll tell you what, Glenn, I just, I'm very disappointed in you

for you just holding out on the people.

You're just like, you get us, get them all excited with that forbearance talk, and then you're like, oh, we're going to bring that to you tomorrow.

I mean, people watch what you say.

I'll tell you what forbearance is.

People are on the edge of their seat.

They want to know about forbearance.

So shut up.

Shut up.

I just talked about the interest rate and why the Fed is lying to you when they say, we just don't think it's time to raise interest rates.

They're never going to raise interest rates.

They can't raise interest rates.

They're not going to get to those levels.

I mean, they've probably raised them, right?

I mean, they're just not going going to raise maybe to 18%.

Which is the only way to stop inflation.

I mean, this kind of inflation that is coming.

But the other shoe to drop is the forbearance shoe.

And I know it sounds super sexy, but actually, it is, it's really important.

And once you get past the fancy terms, you realize,

holy cow, what?

Let me explain this in a way Stu will understand.

You know, when know, you're all hot and bothered and

your wife says,

not now.

Yes, I do know that.

Okay, good.

That's forbearance.

Okay.

All right.

She's just saying, not now.

But that, you know, does that mean not ever?

I never have to pay.

No, no.

Okay.

So forbearance.

Forbearance is

the idea that you don't have to pay things

right now.

And that's when the first COVID bill came in and said,

you don't have to pay this.

It was the first CARES Act.

It passed overwhelmingly with Congress.

It was signed into law by Donald Trump.

And it allowed the federal agencies to extend forbearance to homeowners.

Now, when you heard if you were impacted by COVID-19,

and the Federal Reserve Bank and the government lending programs and Uncle Sam said, you don't have to worry about that.

Nobody's going to be evicted.

What did you think that meant?

I mean,

it seemed like it was a temporary thing, I guess.

Right, right.

Like you'd.

So you had extra money that month, right?

You have extra money so you can, you can.

I mean, you can't be thrown out of the streets.

There's a pandemic going on.

Correct, correct.

So what happens to the money that you didn't pay for 12 to 18 months?

What happens to it?

I mean,

is it just called off?

Remember the definition of forbearance, Stu and Lisa?

Just not right now.

Not now.

So you have to come back and pay all that back.

You have to pay.

Now, listen, if

yes, that's true.

No one's going to be able to do that.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, Bank of America estimated that through March of 2022, 22% of its loan portfolio had gone through some form of loan modification or forbearance.

So 22% of Bank of America, that number is a lot,

lot higher.

Here's the thing.

The federal court just said government didn't have a right to do that.

You can't do that.

So now they've called off forbearance.

Okay.

I want you to understand what all of this means.

In the Original CARES Act,

the government, via funding lending programs through the government, the Federal Reserve Bank,

took on 70%

of all U.S.

mortgages, including nearly 90% of new mortgages to low-income areas of the country since 2009.

So 70% of the mortgages are experiencing some sort of forbearance, depending on the type of lending program you use to fund the mortgages.

And the United States government is now on the hook for it.

So if you can't pay your debt,

that's going to be a problem.

I mean, if you really look at this and you look at the worst case scenario, this is how you don't own anything.

And you'll like it because the government will now own your house.

The Federal Reserve will now own your house.

The bank will now own your house.

Let me explain.

Forbearance, in short, you're eligible to stop making monthly payments during the forbearance period.

In the case of the government's backed mortgages during COVID, that meant you could miss 18 to 24 months worth of mortgage payments.

But what you have to understand is, and this seems like not so bad, every payment missed is added to the end of the loan.

So if you miss 12 payments, a 30-year mortgage becomes a 31-year mortgage.

But you're also having to pay the interest.

So a 31-year mortgage, because of the interest, is probably going to be a 32-year mortgage.

Sounds still okay,

right?

Not so much.

Not so much.

Forbearance isn't a free pass to live anywhere you want without mortgage or without consequence.

Here is the consequence.

And it's not the 31 or 32 year mortgage.

If you try to sell your home,

any missed payment during the forbearance period has to be made whole before the title will be released.

So if you missed 18 payments of $1,800 each, you'll have to come up with $32,000 in cash

to pay the forbearance to be able to sell your home.

Because you owe that.

Oh,

here's the other thing.

Because you're in arrears, it doesn't say on anybody's credit application, oh, it's forbearance.

It says you are delinquent with 18 months of loans.

Do you know what that's going to do to the average

credit score?

Banks are already going to be hesitant to lend anybody loans in the future because of this crunch that is is coming.

You have to have great credit.

If you've been participating in forbearance,

you are going to have delinquencies on your credit score, which will cost your credit card.

It will go up in interest.

And if you can get a loan, you're going to be paying a higher interest rate because you've been delinquent.

Even if you sell your house and pay it off right now, it will still be marked delinquent.

So it's a good thing I'm renting, right?

Oh,

yeah, not so much.

Here's the mistake that millions of renters made,

millions of times over.

You're not forced to pay rent, and landlords aren't allowed to charge late fees.

Rent continues to accrue during the months you missed.

Okay, no big deal.

I'm going to live the high life.

Well, now that the federal court has ruled the CDC has no power to issue any kind of eviction

moratoriums,

renters are due for a rude awakening.

If you started missing rental payments in, say, June of last year, as the moratorium is lifted, millions of renters may find out that they have to start making payments again,

but they

also have to make up for the money they missed.

When the dust settles for COVID-19, renters who end up evicted will find their long-term credit negatively impact.

They won't be able to fill out

a financial form for the next apartment they're trying to rent because they owe all of this money and they didn't pay their last bills on time all during COVID.

Now you're going to take, it's going to take a very understanding apartment complex

or a very understanding bank and they have such a heart

to say oh, it was COVID not a big deal

as America Begins to reopen as vaccines are administered as America's shuttered businesses get permission to have patrons again

Let's take stock and remember that once the virus is gone, the impact the the pandemic the economic the social, spiritual impact that this has

remains.

Just unpacking the U.S.

mortgage and rental industries could take years

and still cost homeowners, renters, landlords billions in cost,

both those you hear about on CNN,

but also the costs of higher interest rates due to lower credit scores, having to choose to live in a less safe neighborhood with a longer commute because your rental history shows eviction.

There are consequences to everything the government does.

When they say free money,

it's never free,

as millions of Americans will begin to understand

as America opens back up for business.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

I have some good news that I'm going to have Christopher Ruffo.

He's a contributing editor of the City Journal and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

The guy is a machine.

He is really the

guy who first really started to expose critical race theory being taught everywhere.

I think it started in Seattle, I think, is the first time I saw it.

And then has been chasing it and has some,

I think, some things that are coming that are very exciting.

People are starting to stand up.

And in fact, there's one major corporation that just kind of pulled back a little bit, which was a little surprising.

Christopher Ruffo is with us now.

Hi, Christopher.

How are you?

I'm very well.

Good to be with you.

Thank you.

So

let's start with Disney this week.

We found out through

that

they were putting everybody through this critical race training, and it was pretty horrifying.

Yeah, it was.

It was really shocking.

I had multiple sources within Disney leak me these documents as whistleblowers.

And Disney was saying that America was founded on systemic racism.

It was telling employees that they had to listen to their black colleagues.

and not question their lived experience.

It was also recommending resources where employees could take a white privilege checklist to see exactly how much white privilege they have.

And it only got worse from there as things delved into politics.

They linked employees to a resource that said that they should defund the police, decolonize their bookshelves, and join a local, quote, white space, whatever that might be.

So Disney

issued a statement to your release of their documents and said these internal documents are being deliberately distorted as reflective of company policy, when in fact their purpose was to allow diversity of thought and discussion on incredibly complex and challenging issues of race.

I know it's hard to keep a straight face even reading this.

The Disney brand has a long.

It really is

just breathtaking and

it's just pathetic attempt to deflect.

The fact is, is that they confirmed that the documents were authentic.

I posted the entire documents in full, so can't be distorted.

And then the real switch was the real funny thing is they said, well, you know, we love inclusivity.

We've directed films like Malana and Black Panther.

I mean, it really is that I have Black Friends' defense.

It's like, no, we're not racist.

We have, we made Black Panther is one of our best films.

I mean,

you could see the corporate PR office just imploding in on itself.

It was pretty beautiful sight.

Yeah, I will say, Chris, though, they accuse you of intentionally misrepresenting these documents.

I mean, you did post them all, but they said you intentionally were misleading people.

Yeah, I mean, you know, that seems to be the go-to move.

When you get caught with your pants down, you have to point your finger at the person who's there.

So, you know, they claim that I distorted them.

You know, that's categorically false.

I posted the entire set of documents.

I did direct quotes.

I posted contextual screenshots.

And then the real tell, the real proof and vindication for my reporting is that within 24 hours of making this press release, Disney deleted the entire diversity and inclusion program from their internal website.

So if they were so proud of these documents, if they felt like they wanted to stand by them, they wouldn't have deleted them.

And I think that's the ultimate vindication of my reporting.

Well, pardon their pixie dust.

Let me ask you, do you think this is ⁇ I don't know if you saw that report from,

was it Oklahoma?

One of the teachers that

was very upset at critical race theory being banned.

And she said, I'm going to teach it anyway.

I don't really care.

I'll find my own way to do it.

Do you think that's what's happening?

Or do you think they actually got enough pushback on this to go, wait, we shouldn't maybe go there?

Yeah, it's hard to tell.

Time will show us exactly where, but it's possible that it will come back.

But

I can say with a high degree of confidence that it's not going to come back in the same form.

And what I think the dynamics that I'm hoping to create can do is that when we expose these programs, which are not diversity training programs, they're political indoctrination programs, we raise the cost on these major companies.

And if they are getting pushback, if they're getting blowback, if they're getting heat for these things, it gives corporate executives, who in many cases probably don't even want to do this stuff, it gives them an easy out to cancel them, to reduce them, to limit them, to restrict them.

And that's sort of the name of the game.

We need to shift the incentive.

So corporations now pay a price for promoting these programs.

And this gives the reasonable and rational executives who want to just focus on business.

It gives them an exit ramp that they can say, well, you know, this totally blew up.

We need to totally rethink this program.

We've seen it with Coca-Cola.

We've seen it with Disney.

We've seen it with Coinbase.

We've seen it with Shopify.

A lot of companies are now starting to reverse course on some of these most destructive programs.

But I do wonder if it's a smokescreen.

I mean, you know,

Common Core came back to many states just under a different name.

You know, we have to be vigilant because they're shapeshifters.

They really are shapeshifters.

What are you seeing in

the future?

What are you seeing?

I mean,

I'm just going to come right out straight and ask you.

I have heard that there are some things on the horizon

that people are mobilizing with, and there is dramatic pushback coming.

Is that you care to comment on any of that?

Yeah, I think that's absolutely right.

Without revealing too many details, I'm planning on continuing this series on woke capital.

I have a number of major Fortune 100 companies in my crosshairs.

That reporting will be coming out over the next few months.

And then also,

you know, Republican congressional leaders, leaders in the Senate, leaders in the state legislatures, and then also state attorneys general are all starting to really mobilize on this issue.

They realize that 70 to 80 percent of the American public rejects critical race theory in the classroom, rejects critical race theory in the workplace.

So this is a very much a winning issue.

And I'm starting to see all of the pieces come together to build

this great machine to start fighting back.

So have you seen,

because the polls show that it's really only the uber liberal white

Democrats that are for this.

Most Democrats aren't even for this.

Are you seeing them stand up or is it just kind of I'm not for it, but I'm not going to say anything?

Oh, I've sensed a complete shift in momentum, especially within elite institutions, corporations, private schools, public schools, agencies.

What's happening is that

the more that people stand up against this, it reduces the cost for others to stand up against it.

So we have very courageous parents in Loudoun County, Virginia, Fairfax, Virginia, Cupertino, California, Springfield, Missouri, Buffalo, New York is starting to happen where parents and families are starting to push back and then they're giving,

they're clearing out the way so people don't have to be scared.

And I think that's really the ultimate problem that we're facing that we need to solve is that people are terrified of speaking out against this stuff, even if they don't believe in it.

And, you you know, as you said, the evidence is in.

Most Americans don't believe in this.

Most Democrats don't believe in this.

And most racial minorities don't believe in this.

So we have to take the initiative to break through that wall of fear that people have of speaking out.

And once we do that, we can go on pure offense.

Christopher, thank you so much for all the work you do.

I appreciate it.

Thanks for being on the program.

Thank you.

You back.