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Army's Delta Force.

He was privileged to ultimately command these elite warriors in combat operations.

Later, he commanded all the Army's green berets as well as the Special Warfare Center and School.

He spent 36 years in the Army.

His last four years as the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Defense for Intelligence.

He's

an ordained minister,

and he is the head now of the Family Research Council.

He is the executive vice president.

His name

is Lieutenant General William Boykin.

General, how are you, sir?

Hey, Glenn, I'm doing well.

How are you?

I'm good.

It's good to hear your voice.

Good to be with you.

I want to start with the letter that was released the other day from the Flag officers for America.

Can you go into that, and especially for people who haven't heard it, go into the warnings

and why

you and others felt it was important to make these warnings?

Well, Glenn, we all

took an oath to the Constitution of the United States.

We had no expiration date on that oath that we took, even though we took off the uniform.

We all feel that it is still our responsibility to support and defend that Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

And so we felt that we had to do something.

This is a first step.

We don't know what the next step is going to be precisely, but we are in this for the long haul.

And as we wrote this letter, we tried to outline for not only the President himself, but for America, the things that we see that are

jeopardizing in an existential way the future of our nation and it will in fact

ultimately wind up in us not being a constitutional republic.

Now we started out with voter integrity and we made no claims directly that the president was illegitimate, but what we did do is we did point out that both the court and the Congress just completely ignored

the charges that were brought

up in terms of the voter integrity.

And we clearly know that there were things within this election, like dead people voting and illegal people voting, and people voting without identification, and state legislatures changing their laws without going through the proper process.

So we point that out in here.

You know, I said, Jerry, Jerry, to the former president, I don't know if

there was enough to sway the election.

That would have to be proven.

But you'll never convince me that this wasn't a very dirty election that may have gone the other way if we knew the truth.

Is that kind of where you are standing, where I don't know, but we have to have faith in our election.

We have to either prove or disprove it.

That is exactly where I stand personally, and I think this group as a whole, and that's basically what we say in the letter here.

There was voter fraud, no question about it.

Now, there's voter fraud in every election.

This year, though, if you look at the evidence that

is verified evidence,

there was a lot more voter fraud this time than

we are aware of in previous elections.

And, you know, we just had a court ruling up in Michigan that the Secretary of State up there violated the law in the voting process.

So whether there was enough fraud that it would have made a difference or not, we're not addressing that

in this letter.

And I personally don't know the answer to that, just as you said.

But that we know that there was some voter fraud, there was irregularities there.

And what we were saying in this letter is that we have to have a a system that people can have confidence in, that everyone is allowed to cast a vote, and that vote will be counted, and the will of the people will be served as a result of that election.

And

we have to do that in order to maintain this constitutional republic.

And then we go on to talk to them about

the way that our constitutional rights in many areas are being eroded right now.

before we get into that, let me ask you,

I really

thought it was horrible when

former prosecutors and

another time,

former generals and everything else came out against Donald Trump.

And when they did that, it was purely political, it felt to me.

And I could see if I were for Joe Biden, I might look at this letter and say, you only are playing politics.

You're only saying this because it's Joe Biden.

Yeah.

Well,

Joe Biden happens to be the president right now.

But what we are seeing as we are moving to becoming a Marxist nation and seeing the erosion of our liberties,

it doesn't matter who the president is or the vice president.

What matters to us is what we're seeing happen to our country and you cannot deny anymore no longer can you deny that we are becoming a marxist nation and that is something that uh obviously you and i both have uh taken a lot of flack for uh over the last four years as uh as being

i you know we've been called racist superior uh

supremist

supremacist yeah and uh and we've been called uh conspiracy theorists and all kinds of things The reality is today we have openly Marxist organizations in the streets of America that no one is doing anything about, but more importantly, we have them in our Congress.

We have sectors of our society that are being represented by Marxist, Marxists, hardcore Marxists,

and just start.

They call themselves

democratic socialists.

Well, go back and study a little bit on what Marxism really is.

And there is no such thing as a democratic socialist to begin with.

That's a term that has been coined here.

But Glenn, we're seeing a Marxist movement here

that goes all the way back to 1958 when the Communist Party USA wrote The Naked Communists and told us exactly how they were going to take over America.

And a lot of what we address in this letter

exactly what was written in that book in 1958.

And we see it unfolding now at a very rapid rate, and we address it in here.

So if you're in the military now, you're

the current General Boykin,

and you're seeing what is happening to the country, and you're seeing what's happening to the Pentagon.

I mean, it is

phenomenal

when you have people now in solitary confinement, I think a violation of the Eighth Amendment for an extended period of time, at least, in solitary confinement and

a ramp-up of the,

I think, the lie that white supremacist is the greatest threat to our republic.

You're being sent a message and the military is being looked at and you, you know, they're looking for enemies within.

If If you are

a flag officer now, Jerry, what would you be thinking?

You know, if I was a flag officer now, I think I would be probably

ready to walk into whoever I reported to and lay my stars on the table and say, I can no longer with good conscience be part of this because of the oath that I took in 1970.

And our military today is being used as an

experimental test bed.

You know, you can't change American society in a substantial way unless you change the military.

And I don't know, Glenn, if you've seen the latest recruiting videos.

I have.

The cartoon.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

it is so disturbing, especially when you think, what are our adversaries doing?

What kind of people are they recruiting?

And how are they pitching the opportunities associated with serving in the military?

And what they're doing is they're appealing to not only their patriotism,

but their willingness to go out and put their lives on the line for

the country that they love, the country they live in.

But if, you know, here's what people don't understand if they haven't served.

You can give a soldier all the technology in the world.

You can give him everything

that is available.

But there's nothing more important on that battlefield than the cohesion and the morale of those men and women that are out there fighting.

That cohesion, and I've written people up for the Medal of Honor and seen them in the White House get the Medal of Honor because they sacrificed their lives.

for the other members of their team.

Look, you don't get that by sitting people down in a classroom and saying, all of you guys over here that are white, you are oppressors.

All of you guys over here that are black, you are the oppressed.

And they are the ones that have done that to you.

How do you build cohesion?

How do you build a strong team?

You don't.

And I think that is exactly the intent.

I mean, the intent of Marxism is to divide and conquer.

And the military was the one place that still people had faith in and was, you know, cohesive.

And it is being torn apart from the inside.

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Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin is with us, and we were talking about the military, talking about how they're being divided.

First of all, do you believe that white supremacy is the biggest threat to our nation?

I believe that the United States is going through the biggest con game that we've ever seen, certainly in my lifetime.

I'm sitting right here in my office right now, six blocks from the Capitol.

The Capitol

is surrounded with concertina wire,

the kind of things that we use in a battle zone.

And the White House has some as well.

And then

you have these National Guard people out on the streets.

Glenn, they don't even have a weapon.

This is a con game.

This is a con to convince the American public that white people and those that are conservatives, especially those that are conservative Christians, are the biggest threat to America.

They're a domestic threat.

They're domestic terrorists.

It's a con game.

There's no intelligence that validates or reinforces that.

Oh, you had two people testify on Capitol Hill yesterday that that's what the intelligence is saying.

That is absolutely not true.

It is that, again, is part of this con game.

Absolutely not true.

So what if you, again, are

first of all, does the military serve the president?

And I want to be careful on this question because I would say the same thing if Donald Trump or Ronald Reagan were in office and I felt he was

dismantling the Constitution of the United States.

I am not asking this about Joe Biden.

I'm asking this in general terms.

Does the military answer to the commander-in-chief or to the Constitution?

Well, the Constitution makes the President, in Article 2 of the Constitution, it makes the President the Commander-in-Chief.

So,

yes, the answer is yes.

They obey the orders of the President.

But

when the President is clearly incapable of performing those duties,

we have an article, I think it's Article 25,

that also allows for the removal by the Congress of the President.

Now, I'm not in any way advocating that, while I'm disappointed in what I'm seeing here with Joe Biden's presidency, I'm not advocating that he be removed.

But I will tell you that the military

takes an oath to the Constitution, but the Commander-in-Chief is the President, and they have to obey the orders of the President as long as they are legal orders.

You cannot obey an illegal order.

Now, I have never been confronted with that kind of thing, and I don't know that there's historically any situation

where this has happened.

But, you know, people asked me before

Joe Biden was

inaugurated, is the President going to declare martial law or is he going to invoke the Insurrection Act?

And my response to them was, I hope not.

I cannot see a situation in which he would want to go down in history as the only president that refused to leave the White House and called out the military to ensure that he didn't have to.

That is foolish because you got a tricameral government.

You got three branches, and two of those branches, as far as I am concerned, in this election, did not do their job.

And that is the Supreme Court and the Congress, because I think they were more afraid of the likes of Antifa and Black Lives Matters and the Marxist movement in this country.

I think they were more afraid of them than they were focused on doing their jobs as not only a Supreme Court with lifetime membership in that court, but also as people that were elected by the people to represent them.

Jerry, we have 40 seconds for you to answer this, then we'll come back for some more.

But

what happened with the National Guard being called out, that didn't seem normal at all.

There was no mission or anything.

Was that normal?

Was that right?

No, it was part of the con.

It's part of the con.

You remember when

Donald Trump offered the National Guard and they wouldn't, it was rejected.

In fact, the mayor of Washington ran them out of a hotel.

This was a con.

This was all part of a con, and it's still going on, and they're still on the streets.

Okay, I want to turn our conversation to what our allies

and our enemies are thinking.

We can start with the

hacker group Darkseid from We Believe Russia and what is happening with that, and the president saying that's a private matter.

We'll pick it up with General Boykin next.

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Mm-hmm.

Sure.

There is.

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The former commander of all of the Army's Green Berets, as well as the Special Warfare Center and School.

Also, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence for his last four years after 36 years in the Army and an ordained minister, we are talking to Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin, also the Executive Vice President of the Family Research Council.

Chiefs, Jerry, I wish you would have done something with your life.

I want to turn our attention over to our enemies here for a second, because you do talk about this

in that letter from the flag officers

that you released yesterday or the day before.

We have the hit on the colonial pipeline.

We believe that dark side is from Russia.

I don't believe you do anything like this on this scale in Russia without Putin at least giving a nod or somebody saying, yeah, go ahead, you can do that.

The president said that this was a private matter and colonial would have to decide whether they paid the ransom or not.

Huh.

I mean, maybe I've watched too many episodes of 24, but I don't ever remember hearing a president say you can negotiate with terrorists.

And isn't this the federal government's primary job to protect business and people from

foreign attacks?

Yes, it is.

I came into the counterterrorism business when the Delta Force was created in 1978, and one of the first things that they told us is we do not, as a nation, we do not negotiate or pay ransom with terrorists.

And

now it is a shock to me to hear this from the President's administration.

But look,

I will just tell you that this is an attack on our infrastructure.

Look at what this is doing to the east coast of the United States.

And if that is not a significant attack on America, then I don't know exactly what it is.

So I don't know you're an expert in these things, but if it were directly tied to the Kremlin, wouldn't this be an act of war?

Oh, I think it would.

And we have to get used to

the fact that we are seeing war in a different way than what we have seen in the past.

We've got to look at cyber attacks as being part of an attack on America.

It affects everybody.

It wasn't, what, three summers ago that Putin said, I don't know what I have to say to you, you're European leaders.

He was talking to the press, but we're already in war and it's being fought with ones and zeros.

Yeah, and

he was absolutely on the mark.

He was spot on.

He was prescient in that statement.

And it's sad that we haven't come to grips with that.

And we don't understand that yet as a nation.

We're still looking for tanks.

you know, maneuvering on the battlefield before we're willing to call it a war.

No, we're at war.

And China is, we're very much at war with China and have been for some time.

And look, we're at war with Iran, and

in some ways it's a surrogate war.

But, you know, we are fighting.

Right now, what you see

in Jerusalem right now, what you see all over Israel right now

is

largely sponsored by, supported by, funded by Iran.

They're right in the middle of this.

And we cannot ignore that.

And they're going going after our closest ally, probably in the world,

is Israel.

Are they anymore?

I mean,

Jerry, I've never seen a time where we have been on the wrong side of almost every issue.

We are negotiating with

hackers.

We're negotiating with the terrorists in Iran.

We're standing by while Israel is attacked.

We are not doing anything about Russia.

China is walking all over us.

And our president's son still is taking paychecks from the Communist Party apparatus in China.

I mean,

who are we?

What does the world think of us right now?

Look, I will tell you this.

This is my belief, and I've said this on other programs.

I don't believe that we would see

the events in Israel right now unfolding if

Donald Trump was still the president of the United States, because I think he established that he was going to support Israel.

And think about this.

When he moved the embassy to Jerusalem, he was told by just about every one of his advisors, you're going to start a war, and it's going to be bad.

Well, he moved it.

And how long

did the rioting last there?

About 24 hours, and it was over.

Now why do we now have a situation where this is this is becoming very very serious there and we've got probably well over a hundred people that are killed and that that information is about 18 hours old right now and this would not have happened and it would not have gone on this long.

I think that Donald Trump would have immediately stepped out and said to the world, what can I give you, Israel?

What do you need?

Yes.

How can we help you protect yourself?

Because this whole thing

is,

I think, a test of Joe Biden's leadership.

I think it's not only a test, but it is also a test of the loyalty of those Marxists

in our own government as well, who are for all of this stuff.

Let me ask you about

we now have a new number of 130 people,

far more than what was previously known.

We haven't come out with the numbers with the CIA.

They are supposed to be substantial as well.

But somebody has some sort of a

ray

that was first seen in Cuba.

It's now being seen in parts of the United States, all around the world.

And it looks like it's tied to Russia.

Any idea on the

ray gun or whatever it's called or whatever it is that is causing these brain injuries in our spies and diplomats and soldiers?

Well, first of all, this is not new technology.

And keep in mind, the Chinese have had

technology that would actually take out our satellites.

They've had that for some time.

And one of our big challenges has been trying to defend ourselves against that.

But I don't know the details of, nor specifically, where this is coming from, but I guarantee you that this is not something that is being

designed and deployed by the evangelical Christians that are supposed to be the biggest domestic threat today.

So

I don't know where it's coming from, but

once again, somehow it will wind up being blamed on the very people that you and I represent.

What do you think of General Lloyd Austin?

Lloyd Austin, I've known him for a long time, and Lloyd was a he lived next door to me at Fort Bragg and he was my

he was a friend.

And I think Lloyd had a very distinguished career.

But I think that Lloyd was not prepared for the politics that he stepped into in Washington.

And as far as I am concerned, Lloyd has compromised on issues that he knows are not in the best interest of our nation.

And And again,

this is where I say

when you take

time away from the training and the preparation for winning wars and you go through stuff like critical race theory,

you are wasting those soldiers' times

that they need to be ready to go prepare for war.

And Lloyd Austin is advocating that and pushing that, and I think that's a huge mistake.

So I think he's wrong about that, and I think he's gotten caught up in the politics of Washington.

And it has had a negative effect on him.

In your opinion, you said earlier that you would walk in and put your stars down on the desk and say, I can't serve this anymore.

In your opinion, the

brass of the military,

not the civil servants, but the actual

military.

What do you think the percentage is that is at least feeling like this is not right?

There's something very wrong here.

Oh, I think that they all know.

I'd say to the

every one of them knows that this is not in the best interest of the military to be off on this tangent that we're on right now and

making it a test bed as well as wasting the time

on these nonsensical things like critical race theory.

I think every one of them knows that.

I think they all know that this is not helping our military.

But I think that

you've got some people in there that

are

very much on the left side of the political spectrum who are enjoying seeing this happen in spite of the fact that they know that it's not doing anything to make our military more effective on the battlefield.

So does this just continue or do you expect to see people stand up?

I think you're going to see a quiet exit.

I think I'm going to be able to do that.

That's not helpful, is it?

No.

A guy called me yesterday from Kuwait.

He said, I'm over here.

He said,

he had read the letter.

And he called me and he said, I'm leaving.

He said, I can't take it anymore.

He said, I'm going to help get them out of

Afghanistan here, and then I'm done.

He said,

what I am seeing in the military today is not what I signed up for, and I am going to leave.

Well, I think you're going to see a lot more of that.

I think that the recruiting, you just

go back and look at this recruiting ad, this little cartoon recruiting ad that you and I talked about earlier.

And you ask yourself, who is that going to attract?

Who is going to be stimulated to want to serve with an ad like that?

And I think what you're going to see is not only a quiet exit, but I think you're going to see recruiting really become much more difficult in our military.

I think that moms and dads are not going to want Johnny and Janie

going into a military like that.

I will tell you, my son has talked about possibly going into the military.

And

I'm

really torn.

I want good people in the military,

but I am afraid of what they could easily become.

The military is so critical to this nation.

I mean, we wouldn't be a nation if it were not for the young men and women that have signed up as Isaiah did and said, here am I, send me.

But I have to tell you, I've got grandchildren now, and I don't know what I'm going to tell them.

I don't want them in this army.

I don't want them serving

under this commander-in-chief or under the chain of of command in our military right now that is standing by and watching the destruction of our military.

This is a serious situation, and I'm with you, Clint.

I don't know what I'm going to tell them, and I spent 36 and a half years in the military.

Wow.

General,

I just so love you, and I thank you for your service.

I thank you for your

willingness to speak out.

I thank you for your willingness to speak the words of God

as you understand them.

And I just think you're a very, very brave patriot.

And I thank you for all of your service.

Well, that's very kind of you, Glenn, and I appreciate it.

And I appreciate what you're doing and have been doing.

And you've been doing this for a long time.

So to stay in the fight, we're going to, ultimately, we're going to turn this around, but it's going to take all of us.

working together and being bold enough to not care what people say about us.

And you're one of those people.

God bless you, Jerry.

Appreciate it.

General, Lieutenant General, Jerry Boykin.

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What did he do?

Why do you suppose he did that?

You forget that he is a guy who's building spaceships to escape global warming.

No, I know that.

And that is

who he is.

He's going to believe the kind of environmentalist craziness at every turn.

And like built his company on Bitcoin.

I mean, he look, Tesla is an electric car company.

We forget because we think of it as a really good car company, and they make cool cars that go really fast.

And, you know, he makes spaceships.

And he's an interesting guy, and he's been really interesting on a lot of things over the past few years.

But you've got to remember, this is his core.

His core is the craziest environmentalism you can imagine.

No, I mean,

he is in with Al Gore.

He's just, instead of flying around on a jet, he's building a rocket and saying, I think we all should get off the planet.

And I'll say, like, Elik, he's doing it as a private business guy, and I'm fine.

No, I'm fine.

I don't agree with him on this stuff, but it's infuriating when he's degrading promising new currency that goes around the government because of environmentalist nonsense.

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All right, I want to talk to you about inflation, but I'm going to try to break this down into everyman terms.

And it's it's difficult, but

when you understand it, it's not difficult at all.

And the answers become very, very obvious on what we are to do.

Inflation is heating up all across the economy.

Mathematically, that is guaranteed to do that.

That is going to happen if you start printing money and pumping cash into the system.

Increases in the money flow.

always

result in corresponding increase in prices.

Why?

Because they're more dollars chasing the same amount of goods.

And inflation is too many dollars chasing too few goods.

That's what makes the price go up, inflation.

Your average high school economics student can do this math, but somehow the PhDs at the Fed can't.

The official Inflation number now, as of yesterday, was 4.2%.

That was a lot more than the Fed was expecting or anybody was expecting, less than what I was expecting.

If you look at the old, we did this yesterday, if you look at the old index, if you look at the way we used to model it, it's between 11 and 13 percent.

If you look or 8 and 13 percent, actually, if you look at the number from the 90s.

But if you look at consumer inflation with more modernized index that measure real-world 2021 cost of living, they are showing inflation sitting at closer to 12% for the month.

But these numbers mean nothing.

They only mean something to you when you go to the grocery store or you try to buy something.

Are you paying more or are you paying less?

Are we going in the right direction or the wrong direction?

The disturbing news here is if you look at the producer price index, this is the index that predicts future consumer prices because the products to make products, you know what I mean, the steel to make the cars or, you know, the widgets or the fertilizer or the alfalfa to feed the cattle, you look at those things and say it's going to cost these people more, so they're going to have to charge more at the end.

The producer price index

shows the prices passed on to consumers in various ways is sitting at 22%.

That's the inflation that is still yet to come.

The PPI measures commodities that companies have to pay to build and make stuff.

The commodities are not part of the consumer price index.

Copper, steel, aluminum, lumber, corn, cobalt, rubber, all of this stuff.

We know lumber is up nearly 400% in the last 12 months.

Copper is up 100%.

You know, that's going to get much, much worse if we actually do fix infrastructure and our electrical grids and everything else, because that's all copper.

When the United States government is going to buy billions and billions and billions of copper, how do you think you're going to get the copper for your house?

Is it going to be up or down in price?

Corn is up over 100%, including 50% in just the last two months.

So if producer prices predict future consumer prices,

The rapid inflation we're seeing in consumer prices isn't just transitory, as the Bank of America called it.

And they're not saying it's transitory inflation.

They're saying it's transitory hyper-inflation.

What's coming our way will be with us.

Maybe if we're lucky for months, it could be years.

And I'll explain why.

The Fed says it will be temporary and it's going away.

But given the trillions of dollars they flooded into the economy, it would be some time before all that currency sloshing around can be sucked up.

So how do you fix inflation?

How do you, why, this was the charter of the Fed to ensure the money supply, the full faith in credit,

and to keep inflation under control, right?

Okay, so they have two weapons you can fight inflation with.

The first

It's a wad the Fed is already shot.

It can restrict the currency supply.

The classic definition of inflation is the increase in the currency supply that drives an increase in the prices of goods and services because people now have money, they go out and buy things.

So in reverse, a decrease in the currency supply must inherently cause a decrease in the price of goods and services.

That only makes sense.

That's the way it's done.

There are two ways.

Okay.

In this case,

between Uncle Sam and Uncle Fed, $12 trillion in COVID stimulus funds have already been released into the economy.

The currency is already out there.

So you can't restrict the currency because it's already out the door, gang.

Already driving up prices, already burning holes in the pockets of banks and mega corporations that are busy buying back their stock and paying bonuses to brokers.

Now, the other major policy tool the Fed has to fight inflation is interest rates.

This one gets really interesting fast.

How do you suck all of that money back in?

The Fed loans banks money and they say it's 5%

interest.

So the bank has to pay the Fed 5% interest.

What the Fed does with that 5%, they don't treat it as a profit, they burn it.

Okay?

That's what brings the money supply down.

Imagine how much burning would have to go on for this.

In the 1970s, Paul Volcker, who was not a popular guy at the time with some, he staved off inflation rates of 14% a month by raising the federal funds borrowing rate to 17%.

So the Fed said to the banks, You want to borrow money?

It's 17%.

Then banks would add another 3% of profit on top of that.

So you're looking at almost a mob loan.

And it almost stopped the heart of the economy, but it pulled all that cash back.

Okay.

By the time Reagan won the election in 1980, inflation had dropped from 14% to 4.3%.

All you have to do is raise the interest rates.

Okay.

Here's why the Fed can't do that.

They're saying we're we're not going to do this for probably a couple of years because we ought to see that.

No, no, no, they're never going to do it.

They're never going to do it.

Here's why.

Rock

meet hard place

when Volcker raised the interest rates to 17%, making it really expensive for anybody to borrow money.

The U.S.

federal debt was just below $700 billion.

We owed less than a trillion dollars.

GDP ratio, 33%.

Today, our U.S.

federal debt is $28.4 trillion.

That's today.

That's not including all of the stimulus and everything else that the Fed has done.

$28.4 trillion.

Our debt to GDP ratio sits at 130%.

Oh, by the way, that debt and debt to GDP, both all-time highs.

And they're both all-time highs before

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By year's end, estimates point to around $31 trillion in debt and 135% debt to GDP.

So why am I talking about any of this?

Let me go back to Volcker in the 1980s when he raised interest rates to 17%.

It would be the death knell of the United States of America.

Today, we have over $28 trillion in debt.

That debt is made up of various types of interest-bearing bonds.

They're short-term bonds.

When people buy them, you know, you get an interest rate.

We're borrowing money from people, and it's like we have an adjustable rate.

That's what you have to understand.

When interest rates go up, You don't want an adjustable rate.

You want to lock your mortgage into that low rate, right?

Our loans aren't locked in.

They're adjustable, kind of, because we are constantly borrowing to keep that going.

So

when they raise interest rates, you get into something called the cost of servicing the debt.

I love that.

The cost of servicing the debt is going to go up.

What does that mean?

That means run

like you're running from the gates of hell now.

The interest paid out to the bondholders is based on the federal funds borrowing rate.

So if the Fed increases the cost of borrowing, the cost goes up for Uncle Sam as well.

So the interest the government has to pay out against all of this debt increases every time the Fed raises the interest rates.

When U.S.

debt was low, higher interest rates were painful but not deadly.

But when we're closing in on $30 trillion and deficits projected in the $2 to $3 trillion a year for the next five years, the cost of servicing that is going to outpace our ability to pay for it.

Current debt, $28 trillion round numbers.

Currently, the Federal Reserve funds rate is 1%.

On average, U.S.

bonds across all types pay an average of just under 2% in profit to anybody who took that, we borrowed that money from.

So you get 1.8%.

So the current cost of servicing $28 trillion in debt at 1.8%

is $504 billion

every year in interest.

$504 billion.

So out of the total U.S.

budget every year, this year, $3.2 trillion, $504 billion of that is just to pay interest.

Already insanely high.

Insane.

And that's $1.8.

You want to guess what U.S.

bonds paid out in 1977 when Volcker spiked the Fed fund rate to 17%?

You want to guess what that is?

U.S.

bonds paid an average of 7.99%.

That is 444% higher than it is today.

So let's do the math.

If the cost of the government to pay interest on the debt was 7.99%

against a debt of today, $28 trillion,

the annual debt servicing cost just the interest

2.2 trillion dollars

our entire budget is 3.2 trillion now and they say there's no cookies in the counter that we can get rid of

there's nothing to the the it's all bare

just the interest

is 2.2 trillion dollars that means 3.2 that it's supposed to cover everything Roads, bridges, military, courts, national parks, Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare.

The interest due on the debt matched in 1977, nearly 70% of every dollar the government takes in would be going to pay interest.

That's why they're never going to raise the rates,

because they can't raise the rates.

The only weapon left to fight inflation is to raise interest rates, but raising interest rates would put the government into a death spiral.

Deficits don't matter.

We've heard it from the right and the left.

Yes,

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Especially when you look at the interest

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I know there are people that have

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You got to get out of the adjustable mortgage.

If you have an adjustable mortgage, you're screwed if they would ever raise the rates.

You could lose your house because all of a sudden your payment goes from $500 to $800 a month because you're paying more interest.

We're about to lose the house, gang.

That's why all of this is happening now.

They're spending like there's no tomorrow because there is no tomorrow for the dollar.

Keep your powder dry.

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I think after last year and just the beginning of this year, I would swear off the word never.

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Maybe tomorrow I'll get into forbearance Because that's what we're, people don't know what that word means, but that is.

I mean, you want to talk about a sexy tease for tomorrow's show?

Tomorrow.

Forbearance.

Buckle up, everybody.

Pretend you don't know what it is and guess what you think it is.

Oh, my gosh.

I mean, passion, sexiness, excitement.

Yes, it is.

Titillating topic.

Yeah.

The forbearance for it.

For us older folks, it's as exciting as dynasty used to be.

I'll say, but you talk the

interesting thing is really a big problem because

it's like, it's one thing for us to complain about spending money, right?

We can all sit here and say, well, we should have this program.

We shouldn't have this program.

This is money we're just spending on essentially nothing, right?

It's just the right to borrow money we've already spent.

And if we have that money, which is constantly turning over and those rates change, we will wind up spending the cost of like a new Joe Biden program

just on nothing.

You're right.

And you're ready for this?

This is why Greece went into revolution.

This is why America will go into revolution if this continues.

Because the only solution is, is to pay that debt.

You have to pay that at some point.

You have to pay that interest rate.

So when you are asked to pay that interest rate, what does the government do?

They have to cut back on all of the things that they've just convinced you was a right,

and then they have to raise taxes.

But because nobody has any money, nobody can pay taxes because businesses go out of business because nobody's spending money.

This is how you become Venezuela.

Every time,

every time somebody goes down this path, this is the path that leads to Venezuela.

And we got to stop.

We have to stop.

We should, if you know,

why the government didn't buy Bitcoin?

Why we didn't spend

a million dollars five years ago on Bitcoin?

Could have had our debt paid off.

Okay.

Why we didn't do that?

Why we're not buying gold.

You know what Russia and China are doing?

They're selling bonds and buying gold.

What are we doing?

Just think of the waste, mismanagement, and missing money that is going to happen with $19 trillion that has been spent in the last 12 months.

There's no accounting firm in the world.

Yes, even the ones that guard the coveted envelopes for the Oscars.

There's not an accounting firm in the world that could track $19 trillion

without a system.

It's just, oh, you know what?

Hey, I found $19 $19 trillion in the couch.

I'm going to give it to people.

No.

No.

What are we doing?

We're enslaving ourselves, driving our country towards Venezuela, and enslaving our children for generations to come.

To who?

The Chinese?

Think we're going to stand up to the Chinese

when we don't have any money and a lot of money is owed to them?

You think you're going to keep that cute national park, California?

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And it's only downhill from here.

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Well, I'll tell you what, Glenn, I just I'm very disappointed in you

for you just holding out on the people.

You're just like, you get us, get them all excited with that forbearance talk, and then you're like, oh, we're going to bring that to you tomorrow.

I mean, people watch what you say.

I'll tell you what forbearance is.

People are on the edge of their seat.

They want to know about forbearance.

So shut up.

Shut up.

I just talked about the interest rate and why the Fed is lying to you when they say, we just don't think it's time to raise interest rates.

They're never going to raise interest rates.

They can't raise interest rates.

They're not going to those levels.

I mean, they've probably raised them, right?

I mean, they're just not going to raise maybe to 18%.

Which is the only way to stop inflation.

Right.

I mean, this kind of inflation that is coming.

But the other shoe to drop is the forbearance shoe.

And I know it sounds super sexy, but actually it is, it's really important.

And once you get past the fancy terms, you realize,

holy cow, what?

Let me explain this in a way Stu will understand.

You know, when you know, you're all hot and bothered and

your wife says,

not now.

Yes, I do know that.

Okay, good.

That's forbearance.

Okay.

All right.

She's just saying, not now.

But that, you know, does that mean not ever?

I never have to pay.

No, no.

Okay.

So forbearance,

forbearance is

the idea that you don't have to pay things

right now.

And that's when

the first COVID bill came in and said

you don't have to pay this.

It was the first CARES Act.

It passed overwhelmingly with Congress.

It was signed into law by Donald Trump.

And it allowed the federal agencies to extend forbearance to homeowners.

Now, when you heard if you were impacted by COVID-19

and the Federal Reserve Bank and the government lending programs and Uncle Sam said, you don't have to worry about that.

Nobody's going to be evicted.

What did you think that meant?

I mean,

it seemed like it was a temporary thing, I guess.

Right.

Like you'd.

So you had extra money that month.

You have extra money.

So you can, you can.

I mean, you can't be thrown out of the streets.

There's a pandemic going on.

Correct, right?

Correct.

What happens to the money that you didn't pay for 12 to 18 months?

What happens to it?

I mean,

is it just called off?

Remember the definition of forbearance, Stu and Lisa?

Just not right now.

Not now.

So you have to come back and pay all that back.

You have to pay.

Now, listen, if you...

Is that true?

Jeez.

Yes, that's true.

There's no one's going to be able to do that.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, Bank of America estimated that through March of 2022, 22% of its loan portfolio had gone through some form of loan modification or forbearance.

So 22% of Bank of America, that number is a lot,

lot

higher.

Here's the thing.

The federal court just said government didn't have a right to do that.

You can't do that.

So now they've called off forbearance.

Okay.

I want you to understand what all of this means.

In the Original CARES Act,

the government, via funding lending programs through the government, the Federal Reserve Bank,

took on 70%

of all U.S.

mortgages, including nearly 90% of new mortgages to low-income areas of the country since 2009.

So 70% of the mortgages are experiencing some sort of forbearance, depending on the type of lending program you use to fund the mortgages.

And the United States government is now on the hook for it.

So if you can't pay your debt,

Hmm, that's going to be a problem.

I mean, if you really look at this and you look at the worst case scenario, this is how you don't own anything and you'll like it because the government will now own your house.

The Federal Reserve will now own your house.

The bank will now own your house.

Let me explain.

Forbearance, in short, you're eligible to stop making monthly payments during the forbearance period.

In the case of the government's backed mortgages during COVID, that meant you could miss 18 to 24 months worth of mortgage payments.

But what you have to understand is, and this seems like not so bad, every payment missed is added to the end of the loan.

So if you miss 12 payments, a 30-year mortgage becomes a 31-year mortgage.

But you're also having to pay the interest.

So a 31-year mortgage, because of the interest, is probably going to be a 32-year mortgage.

Sounds still okay,

right?

Not so much.

Not so much.

Forbearance isn't a free pass to live anywhere you want without mortgage or without consequence.

Here is the consequence.

And it's not the 31 or 32 year mortgage.

If you try to sell your home,

any missed payment during the forbearance period has to be made whole before the title will be released.

So if you missed 18 payments of $1,800 each, you'll have to come up with $32,000 in cash to pay the forbearance to be able to sell your home.

Because you owe that.

Oh,

here's the other thing.

Because you're in arrears, It doesn't say on anybody's credit application, oh, it's forbearance.

It says you are delinquent with 18 months of loans.

Do you know what that's going to do to the average

credit score?

Banks are already going to be hesitant to lend anybody loans in the future because of this crunch that is coming.

You have to have great credit.

If you've been participating in forbearance,

You are going to have delinquencies on your credit score, which will cost your credit card.

It will go up in interest.

And if you can get a loan, you're going to be paying a higher interest rate because you've been delinquent.

Even if you sell your house and pay it off right now, it will still be marked delinquent.

So it's a good thing I'm renting, right?

Oh.

Yeah, not so much.

Here's the mistake that millions of renters made, millions of times over.

You're not forced to pay rent, and landlords aren't allowed to charge late fees.

Rent continues to accrue during the months you missed.

Okay, no big deal.

I'm going to live the high life.

Well, now that the federal court has ruled the CDC has no power to issue any kind of eviction

moratoriums,

renters are due for a rude awakening.

If you started missing rental payments in, say, June of last year, as the moratorium is lifted, millions of renters may find out that they have to start making payments again, but they

also have to make up for the money they missed.

When the dust settles for COVID-19, renters who end up evicted will find their long-term credit negatively impact.

They won't be able to fill out a

financial form

for the next apartment they're trying to rent because they owe all of this money and they didn't pay their last bills on time all during COVID.

Now you're going to take, it's going to take a very understanding apartment complex

or a very understanding bank, and they have such a heart.

to say, oh, it was COVID, not a big deal.

As America begins to reopen, as vaccines are administered, as America's shuttered businesses get permission to have patrons again,

let's take stock and remember that once the virus is gone, the impact,

the pandemic, the economic, the social, spiritual impact that this has

remains.

Just unpacking the U.S.

mortgage and rental industries could take years

and still cost homeowners, renters, landlords billions in cost,

both those you hear about on CNN,

but also the costs of higher interest rates due to lower credit scores, having to choose to live in a less safe neighborhood with a longer commute because your rental history shows eviction.

There are consequences to everything the government does.

When they say free money, it's never free,

as millions of Americans will begin to understand

as America opens back up for business.

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I have some bad news for fans and voters of

President Miles.

President Miles,

Stu's dog, who's older

in looks than the president, but in activity and actual dog years, I think is much younger.

He's what, 17?

16 years old.

He's going to the vet today.

He's having another issue.

I think we should start laying money down on who's going to serve their full four-year term, President Miles or President Biden?

Which is the first?

Oh, God.

I don't want to think about this, but I'm not optimistic on a four-year term on Miles.

Have you had Miles, maybe?

Yeah, have you had Miles for all 17 years or 16 years?

Yeah, we had him as a little tiny puppy.

Oh,

so he's been.

Have you lost one?

Yeah, we had Phoebe.

Oh, that's Phoebe.

Phoebe was also 17, I think, when she died.

Another pug.

You lose all cars around 11.

Yeah, but that's because your dogs are like, you know, attack, dirt, jerky, shepherds.

They're supposed to, they don't usually last much longer than that, right?

That's pretty long for them

for them.

They've actually lasted long.

I've always heard that pugs don't last for a particularly long time, but man, we've had.

I mean, how could you after you ran into

the sliding glass window over and over again to make your face look like that.

I was watching that Will Farrell movie, The Campaign.

Have you ever seen that?

Oh, it's underrated.

I mean, like, it's, I think it's a freaking funny movie, but it's just about like a congressional, uh, Zach Galifenakis and, and, uh, and Will Farrell in a movie about a campaign in a congressional district.

But one of the things, they have really bad attack ads at each other the whole time, and they keep saying, like, and, you know, I think his last name is Huggins or something like that.

Huggins, Huggins dogs are Chinese dogs.

And they're pugs.

Like half the movie's about pugs.

I don't know.

That's why I like it.

It's a solid movie, though, and they are Chinese dogs.

So, yes, do I have, I mean, is it possible that we have

a situation with an undercover Chinese spy as president for President Miles?

I mean, I think it's...

It's quite clear that.

Is he sleeping with a Chinese dog?

He's sleeping.

Is his secretary Chinese?

Has he done any deals with Chinese banks?

Oh, no.

God, I always keep him away from

Fang Fang.

Fang Fang would be an okay name for a dog.

President Fang Fang.

Yeah, it could be.

That could be around the corner.

Yeah, but for a real person that you're dating,

I don't think so.

I do.

I think all of my friends, tell me, as my friend, if I was dating Fang Fang, you would say, stop it right now.

There is like a Dracula sense to it, right?

There's two Fang and Fang Fang.

Yeah, Fang Fang.

I'd be worried about that.

Yeah, no, you can't date her.

Unless you can call her something else, but Fang Fang shall not be spoken of again.

With all the interest and stuff that you talked about and all the money that we borrow from China, President Fang Fang's not out of the question.

We may just have to give China, look, you guys have to name the president this time.

Can we get a reduction in the rates?

You know, I had a serious banker say to me one time, you don't have to worry about it.

What do you mean we don't have to worry about it?

We're going to have to pay this back.

Glenn, do you know how much the national parks are worth alone?

Wait, wait,

wait.

Are you suggesting we sell the national parks to China?

I can't remember this conversation.

Remember that?

And it was like, of course, of course.

I mean, we're going to have to do that.

We're just going to have to sell off land.

Oh, okay.

Hey, want to move up to Alaska?

Better learn how to speak Russian.

I mean, it's a fire sale.

Everything must go.

I say we start with the District of Columbia and Hollywood and Manhattan.

I mean, we get a lot for that.

Much more than the $24 in trinkets.

But it would be hard to negotiate for DC because

DC and Hollywood, I think China would already say, we already own that.

What are you talking about?

You can't sell it to us twice.

You know what I'm saying?

All right.

Next hour is a power hour, but not the kind of power hour that Stu usually does with drinking.

It's a power hour of information that you do not want to miss.

We're going to talk to you a little bit about pushback, the pushback that is coming from critical race theory.

People are starting to stand up and why it's important.

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He was on with us last time when he wasn't allowed to talk on social media about the story that the New York Post had written about with

Hunter Biden, which turned out surprisingly, shockingly.

Were you shocked still?

Turned out to be entirely true.

Stunning.

I was a stunning developer.

Crazy.

Earlier this week, I read an op-ed piece from him.

Wokeism will swallow our kids unless we restore the West's great traditions.

And I wanted to get him back on because I was really moved by that op-ed.

His name is Silhrab Amari, and he joins us now.

Sorab, how are you?

How are you, Glenn?

Thanks for having me back.

You bet.

I want to start with your, if you can,

in a nutshell,

recap the article that I was just talking about with your kid and the radicals at your kid's school.

Sure.

So

the op-ed is based off of my new book, The Unbroken Thread, Discovering the Wisdom of Tradition in an Age of Chaos.

And it's a book I wrote for my own son, Max.

He's four years old now.

He was two when I started writing the book.

And my anxiety is about what kind of a man our culture will chisel out of him.

He's, I mean, obviously he's in pre-K, but I know lots of parents here in Manhattan who, you know, come to me and whisper their anxieties.

They send their kids to these elite schools paying $50,000, $60,000 a year.

And

all that kids get, it seems, is indoctrination, the notion that certain races carry an essential sin, which is unwashable, and just not really learning anything.

I mean, there was a time when you learned, you know, who was Napoleon?

What were the Napoleonic wars?

As far as I can tell, all these kids do, as parents complaint, is, you know, they meditate endlessly on their own race, sex, gender, and sexuality.

And my argument to these parents is that actually the kind of ambient liberalism that they take for granted is not enough to overcome what they worry about.

And in fact, you see that in their own lives.

They complain to me, the only conservative that they know in New York City, but they don't, at the end of the day, they want their kids to get into Harvard, get into Yale, so they will just put up with the nonsense.

And I just think that that means that

we don't have a substantive answer to give to wokeism.

All we have is like, well, guys, let's uphold procedures, let's not be too fanatical about this stuff.

But if you're facing an ideological movement with a substantive vision, which wokeism is, it's a twisted vision, but it is a substantive vision.

When you're facing something like that, you need to offer something substantive in response to combat it.

And I argue in the op-ed and the book that it's drawn or based on, that that is the great Western tradition, our classical tradition, Greco-Roman tradition, the Judeo-Christian foundations that are the moral substrate of our regime, our republic.

That's the kind of thing for which we should be able to make sacrifices in defense of.

You are first generation American, right?

Correct.

I was born in Iran.

I moved to the U.S.

when I was about to turn 14.

I will tell you, the Iranians that I know that moved, you know, after the Shah are some of the greatest entrepreneurs and Americans that I know.

They know exactly what it's like

to lose everything and to live under totalitarianism.

Is it true you used to be a Marxist or a communist or something?

That's a charge.

I'll tell you why.

So when I was growing up in Iran, I encountered religion only as it was handed down with the iron fists of the Ayatollah.

And I said,

if this is religion, then it's all a fraud, and I don't want any part of it.

And I declared myself an atheist at age 13 while still living in the Islamic Republic.

And then I moved to the West, to the United States.

And so I kept that kind of atheistic militancy as a teenager

into my late teens.

And that meant like adopting the most radical version of that, which is kind of historical materialism or Marxism.

So, yeah, I mean, some of my critics will say, well, it used to be that.

It's only because I wrote a memoir where I kind of did a tell-all.

Personally,

I think that makes it strong.

I think that makes your story stronger.

I like people who have had a transformation from something they really truly believed, because it's hard to give up things that you believe.

It's not easy.

You have to find new friends and everything else.

And you've done your homework on both.

And you've found freedom and the American system and traditions to be what?

Well, that

in fact, insofar as we have a humane, decent civilization, that's a good thing.

And in order to preserve it, we have to attend basically to the Judeo-Christian roots that inform it all.

Because our rights-based system and all the rights that we have can take on a monstrous quality if if they're not tethered to a deeper idea of what are rights for.

The classical tradition, the Christian tradition, and I should note that a decade after my Marxism, I converted to Christianity, these traditions teach us that freedom is freedom to do what you ought to do.

Not just my right to define everything as I please and just have the maximal amount of choices.

If you have that kind of a freedom and it doesn't have a moral foundation,

I've I've seen this in my own life, I've seen it in the life of my peers now

on the East Coast, rights become these monstrous things.

And that's how you get the radicalism of, for example, not only do I want to define how I live or what kind of clothes I wear, but I want to define what my gender is, over against everything we know from biology, from Genesis, the fact that men and women are fundamentally

immutably different.

You can't cross the sex boundary.

You cannot become another sex.

That's the kind of

excess of freedom that I worry about as an immigrant to this country who has enormous gratitude for this country.

I just worry that this new vision of freedom will actually lead to tyranny.

Well,

that's the new paradox of the West.

I mean, isn't the new definition of freedom, and I want to make it clear that I think

the biggest freedom I have found is through my faith.

And my particular brand of faith has a lot of rules and regulations.

You know, don't do this, do that.

And so some people would say it's so confining.

No, no, no.

It is unbelievably freeing if you choose to do it

because it just makes things all consistent in your life.

And it is very, very freeing.

The idea of freedom now to the left

is force people to do things

and you're you're free as long as you do these things while rejecting all traditional kinds of responsibility

yes so the argument in my book I mean that's you can encounter it in the op-ed as well but I lay it out much at greater length in the book is that

that those traditional limits and restraints like the one that your faith compels you to do what you choose to do, those limits actually make us free.

And the loss of those limits, although at first we're told that here's liberation, get rid of the dead hand of the past, get rid of the dead hand of tradition and faith, and you'll find greater freedom.

We find once those barriers are gone that we're less free.

So for example, one of the arguments in the book is the loss of the American Sabbath.

As you know, Gwen, in this country, going back before the founding of the Republic, Americans had a very clear idea of sabbatarianism and that one day a week you you reserve for for God for the things of God for contemplation for being with family and it took a long time it was only very recently that the last kind of statewide blue law went away and that looked like freedom and it was sold as freedom what it really meant is is freedom of large corporations mom-and-pop shops small businesses didn't necessarily want it the labor movement didn't want it and the result isn't that we're doing more we're just more harried yeah we're not spending more time with our family.

We're kind of miserable.

And so that's just one of those kind of paradoxes or the idea that you should always think for yourself and not be subject to any authorities, whether in my religion that might be

the teachings of the Catholic Church

or in yours, the LDS Church.

Don't be subject to these kinds of things.

Well, it turns out if you get rid of those kinds of ancient authorities, what you end up with replacing them is not your own mind, it's advertising, It's large corporations.

It's big tech.

It's the latest ideology.

Yes.

I'll tell you that people, you can bash religion all you want and even separate religions if you care to do so.

I have found that most religions have 99% in common.

And it's not that, it's just the religion is the way to help each individual

understand those things.

I was walking down the stairs on Sunday and we were getting ready for church and my son was like, Oh,

I hate Sundays.

And I was thinking to myself, I have to, because he hasn't found God himself.

Everybody has to find it on his own.

And right now, he's going to church because we make him.

But

I thought I have to find a way to have him understand the Sabbath

in a secular sort of way, because that's really all of these traditions are: is an understanding.

If you want to take God out of it, okay,

one day

turn everything off

one day reconnect with what's real

and stop just take a breath stop

and it does change your life even if it's not connected to God it will change your life

yes stop and and set aside the acquisitiveness, the competition, the rivalries, the gossip, and as you say, the unreality of our lives.

So much of it's spent arguing with each other.

And in the process of arguing with each other online, all we do is enrich Mark Zuckerberg and the owner of Twitter, Jack Dorsey, and those people.

We're not enriching ourselves.

And so that is what the Sabbath is about.

Rabbi Heschel, the great Jewish thinker, called it a palace in time.

Most of our lives is spent in the realm of space, in competition, prosperity.

And those are fine.

Those are real goods.

But you also have to reserve some time for time, for the eternal, for God.

Yeah.

And it has, as you say, it has secular benefits.

It does.

It does.

When we come back, I want to ask you, you've said that David Frenchism has cost the right the culture war.

And I want to delve into that here for just a second.

In 60 seconds, we'll return with Silrab Amari.

He is the opinion editor of the New York Post and the author of The Unbroken Thread, Discovering Wisdom of Tradition in an Age of Chaos.

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So, Rob, you have said that David Frenchism

costs the right the culture war.

What do you mean by that?

Well,

this is a debate I had a couple of years ago.

It launched,

as one New York Times columnist called it, it's

the essay that launched the thousand think pieces, where I tried to identify one strand of social conservatism that

I admire David, it's encapsulated by the figure of David French.

I admire David French in terms of he's been a great lawyer for religious liberty causes and so forth.

But

what it does is a kind of strategy of retreat for people of faith in the public square.

What I mean by that is that,

you know, faith has been an element of this nation's founding our founding is only sensible in relation to a kind of public understanding we may differ about the theology you and I and others and our Jewish friends and Muslims and others but this sense that people of faith have a public role to play and only finding fighting on the ground of religious liberty actually corners us because it just says, okay, we just have these nutty beliefs.

Let us just have our own private little sphere and not

you know that we wouldn't seek to

re-imbue the public square with what our faiths teach about morality and so forth.

What it does is it has allowed the rise of this radical leftism.

Again, I go back to the theme that there is no neutrality.

If that was the lesson of the past two years,

well, much longer than that, but especially the past two years and maybe the year of the pandemic, we see that this ideal, this kind of liberal ideal that you'll have a neutral public square and the people who believe that there are only two sexes and those who believe that there are 127 genders will just kind of contest one way or another.

We have to choose between the two.

And so we cannot

abandon

the truth and say, yeah.

Do you think that Americans understand that?

I mean, this is basically what was said by the

flagstaff of

all of our old generals and admirals yesterday or the day before.

They are saying basically, you got to stand up.

There is no neutral.

This is what you're fighting, and you're either with it or against it.

Do we have that in us anymore?

I pray we do.

Unfortunately, I think among our elites, even and perhaps especially a lot of our establishment conservative elites, you don't sense

an urgency on their part about what we're facing.

And I think the past four years with the treatment of President Trump,

and, you know, obviously David French was a severe critic, but he wasn't the only one of President Trump.

You know, President Trump understood a lot of what was happening, but in a kind of intuitive way, and he's not a political theorist or a philosopher, but he just sensed that the ordinary American is having a harder and harder time living a decent, virtuous life because of

free trade deals that were very one-sided

and

the kind of assault of the left on just what it means to be fully human, what it means to be a person of sex, all that is under assault.

He kind of understood it, and you had the entire establishment right just

seeking to sink him from day one.

And so

if it's up to the establishment elites of the Republican Party, I have zero hope.

But I will have hope in the base of the party and in ordinary Americans.

I mean, I will tell you they have every right to take Lynn Cheney out, et cetera, et cetera.

But this is ridiculous.

We're spending so much time on this.

The country is on fire.

Can you guys put together a list of things that you all can agree on that we can all stand together on and fight as one?

The time is running short.

Well, and it's been kind of interesting disappointments.

And it's, for example, I keep coming to this back question of gender and sexuality, but it just, what they're trying to make us do is help us lose our grasp on reality.

About 20 seconds.

And that's why I think it's very important

for Republican governors to stand up for the difference between man and women, just biological reality.

Thank you so much.

The name of the book is The Unbroken Thread, Discovering the Wisdom of Tradition in the Age of Chaos by Saurabh Amari.

Talk to you again, Saurab.

Thank you.

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I have some good news that I'm going to have Christopher Ruffo.

He's a contributing editor of the City Journal and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

The guy is a machine.

He is really

the guy who first really started to expose critical race theory being taught everywhere.

I think it started in Seattle, I think, is the first time I saw it.

And then has been chasing it and has some...

I think some things that are coming that are very exciting.

People are starting to stand up.

And in fact, there's one major corporation that just kind of pulled back a little bit, which was a little surprising.

Christopher Ruffo is with us now.

Hi, Christopher.

How are you?

I'm very well.

Good to be with you.

Thank you.

So

let's start with Disney this week.

We found out through you that

they were putting everybody through this critical race training.

And it was pretty horrifying.

Yeah, it was.

It was really shocking.

I had multiple sources within Disney leak me these documents as whistleblowers.

And Disney was saying that America was founded on systemic racism.

It was telling employees that they had to listen to their black colleagues and not question their lived experience.

It was also recommending resources where employees could take a white privilege checklist to see exactly how much white privilege they have.

And it only got worse from there as things delved into politics.

They linked employees to a resource that said that they should defund the police, decolonize their bookshelves, and join a local, quote, white space, whatever that might be.

So Disney issued a statement to your release of their documents that said these internal documents are being deliberately distorted as reflective of company policy, when in fact their purpose was to allow diversity of thought and discussion on incredibly complex and challenging issues of race.

I know it's hard to keep a straight face even reading this.

The Disney brand has a longtime is

breathtaking

in its pathetic attempt to deflect.

But the fact is, is that they confirmed that the documents were authentic.

I posted the entire documents in full, so can't be distorted.

And then the real switch was the real funny thing is they said, well, you know, we love inclusivity.

We've directed films like Mawn and Black Panther.

I mean, it really is that I have Black Friends defense.

It's like, no, we're not racist.

We have, we made Black Panther is one of our best films.

I mean,

you could see the corporate PR office just imploding in on itself.

It was pretty beautiful sight.

Yeah, I will say, Chris, though, they accuse you of intentionally misrepresenting these documents.

I mean, you did post them all, but they said you intentionally were misleading people.

Yeah, I mean, you know, that seems to be the go-to move.

When you get caught with your pants down, you have to point your finger at the person who's there.

So, you know, they claim that I distorted them.

You know, that's categorically false.

I posted the entire set of documents.

I did direct quotes.

I posted contextual screenshots.

And then the real tell, the real proof and vindication for my reporting is that within 24 hours of making this press release, Disney deleted the entire diversity and inclusion program from their internal website.

So if they were so proud of these documents, if they felt like they wanted to stand by them, they wouldn't have deleted them.

And I think that's the ultimate vindication of my reporting.

Well, pardon their pixie dust.

Let me ask you, do you think this is, I don't know if you saw that report from,

was it Oklahoma?

One of the teachers that

was very upset at critical race theory being banned.

And she said, I'm going to teach it anyway.

I don't really care.

I'll find my own way to do it.

Do you think that's what's happening?

Or do you think they actually got enough pushback on this to go, wait, we shouldn't maybe go there?

Yeah,

it's hard to tell.

Time will show us exactly where, but it's possible that it will come back, but

I can say with a high degree of confidence that it's not going to come back in the same form.

And what I think the dynamics that I'm hoping to create can do is that when we expose these programs, which are not diversity training programs, they're political indoctrination programs, we raise the cost on these major companies.

And

if they are getting pushback, if they're getting blowback, if they're getting heat for these things, it gives corporate executives, who in many cases probably don't even want to do this stuff, it gives them an easy out to cancel them, to reduce them, to limit them, to restrict them.

And that's sort of the name of the game.

We need to shift the incentive.

So corporations now pay a price for promoting these programs.

And this gives the reasonable and rational executives who want to just focus on business.

It gives them an exit ramp that they can say, well, you know, this totally blew up.

We need to totally rethink this program.

We've seen it with Coca-Cola.

We've seen it with Disney.

We've seen it with Coinbase.

We've seen it with Shopify.

A lot of companies are now starting to reverse course on some of these most destructive programs.

But I do wonder if it's a smokescreen.

I mean, you know,

Common Core came back to many states just under a different name.

You know, we have to be vigilant because they're shapeshifters.

They really are shapeshifters.

What are you seeing in

the future?

What are you seeing?

I mean,

I'm just going to come right out straight and ask you.

I have heard that there are some things on the horizon that people are mobilizing with, and there is dramatic pushback coming.

Do you care to comment on any of that?

Yeah, I think that's absolutely right.

Without revealing too many details, I'm planning on continuing this series on woke capital.

I have a number of major Fortune 100 companies in my crosshairs.

That reporting will be coming out over the next few months.

And then also,

you know, Republican congressional leaders, leaders in the Senate, leaders in the state legislatures, and then also state attorneys general are all starting to really mobilize on this issue.

They realize that 70 to 80 percent of the American public rejects critical race theory in the classroom, rejects critical race theory in the workplace.

So this is a very much a winning issue.

And I'm starting to see all of the pieces come together to build

this great machine to start fighting back.

So have you seen, because the polls show that it's really only the uber liberal white

Democrats that are for this.

Most Democrats aren't even for this.

Are you seeing them stand up or is it just kind of, I'm not for it, but I'm not going to say anything.

Oh, I've sensed a complete shift in momentum, especially within elite institutions, corporations, private schools, public schools, agencies.

What's happening is that

the more that people stand up against this, it reduces the cost for others to stand up against it.

So we have very courageous parents in Loudoun County, Virginia, Fairfax, Virginia, Cupertino, California, Springfield, Missouri, Buffalo, New York is starting to happen where parents and families are starting to push back.

And then they're giving,

they're clearing out the way so people don't have to be scared.

And I think that's really the ultimate problem that we're facing that we need to solve is that people are terrified of speaking out against this stuff, even if they don't believe in it.

And, you know, as you said, the evidence is in.

Most Americans don't believe in this.

Most Democrats don't believe in this.

And most racial minorities don't believe in this.

So we have to take the initiative to break through that wall of fear that people have of speaking out.

And once we do that, we can go on pure offense.

Christopher, thank you so much for all the work you do.

I appreciate it.

Thanks for being on the program.

Thank you.

You know, I'm reading this book

right now.

I think it's Daughter

of the Reich or something.

It was a New York Times bestseller a couple of years ago.

I was in an airport, needed something to read.

I pulled that out.

And

I just read one of the chapters

last night, and it was

these kids in school, and

the teacher has been dismissed,

Jewish teacher, and a new teacher comes in, and

he says, you and you, come up to the front, and they're both Jewish students, and the class likes them.

And, you know, the main character of the book is friends.

And she just can't understand how, first of all, the guy she likes, who's blonde and blue-eyed, is Jewish.

She's like, that's a mistake.

And her father is an SS guy.

And

they start, he takes out the calipers and he says, look at her eyes.

See how her eyes are set so close?

That's the sign of a shifty Jew.

And starts to measure her and talk about all these things as if she was an animal not there and just just says horrible things about her and then goes to the guy and does the same thing.

And it's interesting because in the book, at least, the kids are whispering to each other,

okay, enough, because you see the girl start to cry.

And at first they just kind of put up with it, and then they

start saying, okay, you've made your point.

Move on.

And he doesn't.

He keeps going.

And the main character says, I stood up and screamed, stop.

Except then I became aware that I hadn't said anything and I was still sitting in my seat.

I was glued to my seat.

I couldn't move.

I couldn't speak.

This is exactly the same kind of thing.

You know, you don't speak now.

You're not going to speak when it gets more dangerous.

You know, what they're saying about people right now, what they're saying about white people, what they're saying about Asians, what they're saying about black people, all of it is racist and wrong and evil.

And if you're not willing to stand up, especially in school,

if our kids aren't willing to,

you know,

speak out in school, an institution you and I are paying for,

an institution, if they're going to the university that they or you are paying for,

You think they're going to have the courage to stand up when their paycheck is online?

Nobody's, it's, it's unreasonable.

It's unreasonable to think that you're going to suddenly have the courage.

If things continue to go down this road, they're going to get worse and you're suddenly going to find the courage to stand.

You got to stand right now.

You have to stand right now.

On last night's Studios America, we went through some documents

from a white privilege check from a high school in Pennsylvania where they go through and basically outline why

you don't understand your own privilege, right?

You know, are you able to

go shopping without being looked at, right?

Like kind of some of that gets sort of in that standard way.

I can, if I wish, arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

I thought that one was fascinating.

So yes or no, Glenn, can you, if you wish, arrange to be in the company of people of your race most of the time?

I could if I wanted to, yes.

You could.

If you wanted to, what would that make you?

It would make you a racist.

It would make you a racist, would it not?

If you wanted to be in the company of your own race most of the time, that would make you just a freaking racist.

And they act as if this is some privilege that poor black people can't quite get to because there's not enough black people around.

Well, if a black person wants to spend all of his life, with other black people, then he's thinking too much about race.

Well, then that would be an argument for, if that's true, an argument for segregation, which they are for now.

Yes.

That is, I mean, how when they argue outwardly

for segregation, when they argue outwardly for discrimination, what do you think this is?

Let me give you something we didn't get to today because I thought this just reminded me.

You know, you're on the wrong side.

You know you're on the wrong side.

When you're coming after

Gal Godot's tweet yesterday, okay, where she basically says, you have the right, they have the right to defend themselves.

Israel has a right to exist.

Okay.

A Muslim actress,

Veena Malik,

she came out and she quoted,

she said,

I would have killed all the Jews of the world, but I kept some to show the world why I killed them.

Adolf Hitler.

That was her tweet.

You know, you're on the wrong side when you're being told to deny everything that

you were taught was right and wrong.

And

not from just your parents.

You might have had bad parents.

But

everything good in society was teaching you.

All of the heroes of the past, Martin Luther King.

When you're told, nope, everything they said, it's the exact opposite, you better stand up.

You just better stand up.

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Hey, so a new federal judge is being interviewed, and things went well yesterday, wouldn't you say, Stu?

I think so.

Her name is Deborah Boardman.

She's supposed to serve as the federal district judge in Maryland and had an interesting exchange with Senator Kennedy.

The rational basis just is.

Do you know what the rational basis is?

Thank you, Senator Kennedy, for that question.

I understand that that is probably the first level of review in the constitutional question.

And certainly if that matter were before me in a constitutional matter, I would research the law, including Supreme Court precedent, binding fourth circuit precedent, and I would apply it where applicable.

What is it?

Can you define the cash form?

I cannot sit in here right now, sir.

So now you might not know what the rational basis test is, right?

It was described by one expert as, this is like asking a carpenter what a door is and them not being able to tell you.

Should you hire that carpenter?

Probably not.

Probably not.

Probably not.

This is really basic, important and constitutional concept, which, by the way, is not really constitutional.

But is she, is she been impacted by racism in any way?

That's a great question.

You know, getting accurate answers is part of the white culture.

I don't know.

Thank you, Stu.

Now you're getting it.

Thank you.

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