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It's nice to see that we've got some citizens who've appointed themselves the overseers of health and safety in this country and are shaming anybody who

goes outside and does things that they don't believe they should be doing.

Like if you go to the beach, then you're essentially a mass murderer.

It's interesting to see all of the

hatred for people who are going out and sick and tired of being shut in and shut down and locked in and locked down.

And now they're just there,

it was Memorial Day weekend.

A lot of people went out and enjoyed it.

Went to the beach.

yeah you know conducting themselves in a way that is consistent with you know the most uh the safest activities you can do when it comes to this virus well you're outside outside open air yeah the the the i mean there's one study i think it's from from china where they had over 7 000 cases that they studied and i think one of them occurred outside one one

wow the chances of it happening outside are very very low it's the it's the type of thing that the government from the beginning should should have been encouraging people to do.

Go to the beach, try to stay a little bit away from each other.

Maybe don't make out with random strangers on the street.

But stay.

Oh, well, you're really limiting what I like to do there then.

I know that

you're a big end of this

making out with people I don't know.

Right.

You know,

I can't eliminate it from everybody.

I'm just saying, maybe limit it.

Maybe try to limit it 20, 30%.

You know, is that possible?

Man, that's a lot.

Well, we'll try to see if we can figure out exactly what would work for you and your life.

So we can negotiate.

Yeah.

But the point is doing it outside.

If you're going to make out with someone, try to do it outside.

The open air situation is a big deal, and it seems to be one of the best

solutions to this when it comes to transmitting the virus.

Now, there's some pictures you saw probably over the weekend.

I think it was the Ozarks where they have to look at.

They were all jammed together in that pool party.

Which, by the way, looked horrible to me for reasons completely unrelated to COVID-19.

I don't want to be that close to that many people ever in my life.

This isn't something that has nothing to do with the virus.

Just please stay away from me.

There's a lot of guys with their shirts off and tiny bathing suits, and they're all cramped in together.

Looks awful for a hundred reasons.

But so there is the COVID-19 risk there.

Is that something that could lead to an outbreak?

It could.

Most likely it won't, right?

I mean, like we all know, even in the peak of this thing, they were playing NBA and NHL games, and they were doing all of these things in these giant gatherings.

And as far as I know, there are no known

major super spreader events that came out of that stuff.

It does not mean that every time a lot of people get together, there's going to be mass spread, but it does happen in those situations.

There's a funeral in Georgia famously.

There was a choir practice in Seattle.

There looks like there was a decent amount of spread from Mardi Gras.

It does happen.

It's just not common.

There was an election in Wisconsin where

they went to the the polling day,

and that didn't spread it.

No, it doesn't seem like there's anything there.

Now, that's an interesting example, too, in that if you look at the footage of that, right, no one's standing within 10 feet of each other.

And if we were going to go and follow those sorts of rules, there's almost no chance of this becoming a big problem.

There is the idea that, you know, the Ozarks was not what that voting situation was.

First of all, it was.

It was in Wisconsin, so it's probably cold because in my mind, it's always cold in Wisconsin, whether it's July or February.

But it was probably cold.

You're probably not going to get into a beach situation where everyone's, you know, in bathing suits next to each other.

But like if you, if you do, if you take basic precautions, right?

Like the things that you would have done for previous illness if you were being careful about it.

Like if you knew someone was sick at work.

You know, someone comes in and they're just sick, they're just coughing.

You say, okay, well, number one, maybe you should go home.

Number two, let's just stay a little bit away from each other, right?

Let's just like kind of back off and like, I'm going to stay over here just so I don't, because I don't want to get sick.

I don't want to deal with it.

I don't want to get past to my kid.

Those things that you always would do when you assumed someone was sick, probably a good idea to do now, right?

And if you do those things, there's almost no chance that it's going to be, we're going to have a massive re, uh, you know, the flaring up is going to occur again, unless something dramatic happens with mutation or whatever.

Yeah.

But this is the thing.

This weekend, it was all about shaming people who went to the beach, which is, again, one of the safer activities you can engage in.

Then there was the instance in Staten Island, New York, where

they literally chased a woman out of a grocery store because she wasn't wearing a mask.

I mean, this is, you can't even understand what they're saying for all the bleeps because they're swearing so much at her, yelling the F-word at her, calling her all kinds of names.

I think they call her a hoe at one point.

They call her every name in the book.

She's not wearing a mask.

They're all wearing masks, so shouldn't they be protected?

There, you're protected from her.

You got the mask on, right?

Isn't that why you're wearing the mask?

But here's what happened at that grocery store.

Get out.

Is that crazy?

What do you think?

And in one case, the guy's pulling down his mask so he can yell at her louder.

Crazy.

You know, I don't, I've been to a lot of grocery stores.

If you look at me, you know I'm around food a lot.

And I haven't seen anything like this.

Have you?

And I've wearing Texas.

I've never wear a mask and I haven't.

It's a little bit different in Texas, right?

I guess, maybe.

But it is a, it does seem to be happening.

And that's that, that was in Staten Island, you know, New York City, part of New York City.

So it's a, maybe they're a little bit more

sensitive.

My understanding, too, is that it is a rule of the store.

Now, as a person who, you know, believes in the, you know, the, I, the power of uh private business and ownership, yeah, you can at least do that rule.

They can institute this if you want to.

And you should leave if you don't want to deal with it because they can make a rule of, you know, that's, that's something that a private business can do, right?

I'm okay with it.

Although I don't necessarily agree with it,

you know, it is something that they should be able to do.

That has nothing to do with what what that clip is, though.

The people screaming

in front of the frozen Brussels sprouts is a little over the top.

People shouldn't be acting that way for really any reason.

And, you know, this is something where people are.

We obviously don't know everything about this virus.

We obviously don't know what's going, you know, what's right and what's wrong going forward.

We're going to do our best.

And the fact that you go in there and you are going to get screamed at by a bunch of annoying, you know, do-gooders

is really an irritating process.

Yeah.

And you're doing something that in the beginning, the CDC said

the masks weren't going to help.

In the beginning of this thing,

if you remember what the CDC guidelines were, they said the masks really don't do any good on this.

Yeah.

And then they switched.

And then they switched.

Well, okay, but which do I believe?

Your early thought

or your later thought?

Because you told me both things.

I know.

So how do I know which is accurate?

Well, you don't.

You don't.

You know, scientists don't really know exactly what they're doing right now.

They don't.

I don't think they have any idea.

We keep hearing, okay, the virus spreads in the air.

It doesn't spread in the air.

It hangs in the air.

It doesn't hang.

It lives on surfaces.

It doesn't live on surfaces.

It's easily spread on contact.

It's not easily spread on contact.

And look, at some level, this is different than butter and margarine, right?

Those things have been around for a while.

Why are they switching all the time which one we're supposed to use?

It's a novel, new coronavirus.

They don't know all the restrictions and rules on it.

There are things that have changed.

And I think some of that is understandable given the circumstances.

It's a global pandemic that just started a few months ago, right?

So they are still learning about it.

That's okay.

But that is more of a reason to not, you know, get crazy screaming at people in the frozen food aisle about it.

If the experts are still changing their opinion, maybe you don't know either.

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A remarkable story, Pat, on the same kick from Canada, where

this weird shaming thing is happening and you're everyone's criticizing others for their behavior and it just becomes your your

definition of whether you're a good citizen or not is if you criticize others as to what they're doing in the middle of a pandemic and it's a ridiculous instinct but it's not surprising in some ways this one actually did surprise me though because I didn't see this is like an M Night Shyamalan clip to me Okay, you know, are there dead people?

Oh, he sees them, you know, but guess what?

He's dead too.

It's like, there's like a real,

twist on this one.

Okay.

All right.

This is.

Did you just spoil the ending, by the way, of the sixth cents?

I don't even know.

It's only been out for 21 years.

Oh, God.

Spoiler alert.

Wow.

Spoiler alert.

Wow.

I was just going to watch that tonight.

Bruce Willis is really dead, and he's about 20 years older than he looks in the movie, which is crazy.

Here is a clip from, this is, I think it's CTV in Canada.

And just to give you a quick scene setting, they're doing the typical,

I've noticed young people are out of the park in the nice weather type of report where they're criticizing why they're not wearing masks and all this other stuff.

So, in the middle of her interview, a guy walks up to her and just plants one.

Kind of what we were just talking about, Patty.

You know how you go out and you make out with people randomly in the streets?

Is that your lifestyle?

And we don't criticize that.

Thank you.

That happens in this footage.

She's standing there talking with her dog.

Listen to the clip and tell me where you think this is going.

Let's see.

I feel as if masks are not 100%

important.

I feel as if if you

interrupted

a spontaneous kiss from someone that she doesn't know.

Oh my god.

No, I met him for a second with my dog.

That's insane.

Are you all right?

Yeah, he's so hot.

Having met just minutes earlier, Jillian McCowan says she's okay with the kiss.

We asked Jack Ring, the man who initiated the kiss, if he's aware of all the risks of kissing a person you don't know during a pandemic.

Do you worry about possibly either of you having that in tracking, passing it, anything?

Oh, not if I just had it right now, but yeah, I probably do right now.

But I think the kiss is worth it.

So the kiss was worth it.

It was worth it.

Pretty good, right?

Now,

you see the tone of that reporting, right?

It's like, oh my gosh, these guys aren't wearing masks, and now they're kissing each other in the park.

I don't know, like, this is an interesting part of this.

And luckily, Pat, you and I don't have to worry about it.

But, like, do we just turn off courtship entirely?

Like,

how do you date in this environment?

If we're in perpetual lockdown mode, do we just end the species because only the people who were together can ever touch each other again?

Like, at some point, there's no more babies that come out of that situation.

I hate to alert people on that.

But

we have to take a one-minute break here, Pat.

I would like to know, just take a minute.

Everybody in their car, you're driving.

If you might be actually out of the house today, congratulations.

And think about where does that clip go?

Because there's a twist to it that I would have never predicted after watching that clip.

So we're going to take a one-minute break.

Think about what is the M-Night Shyamalan twist on what you just listened to.

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It's Pat and Stew in for Glenn Beck, who's on vacation this week.

So we're talking about a clip.

This is from Canada.

They're doing the typical shame young people in the park for being outside during the COVID-19 crisis.

And here's the clip.

There's an M-Night Shyamalan twist.

We'll give you one more chance to listen to it, and then we'll reveal

what

the real story is here.

Listen.

I feel as if masks are not 100%

important.

I feel as if if you.

A spontaneous kiss from someone that she doesn't know.

Oh my God.

No, I met him for a second with my dog.

That's insane.

Are you all right?

Yeah, he's so hot.

Having met just minutes earlier, Jillian McCowan says she's okay with the kiss.

We asked Jack Ring, the man who initiated the kiss, if he's aware of all the risks of kissing a person you don't know during a pandemic.

You worry about possibly either of you having that, contracting, passing it, anything?

Oh, not if I just had it right now, but yeah, I finally do right now.

I think the kiss is worth it.

I love that.

That's a great idea.

You know, I know I didn't really think about it.

I'm thinking about it right now, but the kiss was worth it.

It's great.

Can I guess a twist?

Yes.

They both died of COVID-19 the next day.

The next day.

You got it.

No.

They were both dead.

That would be weird.

That would be weird.

That was what would pass.

That was a sad twist.

When you zoom in, you can see the molecules going from one mouth to the other.

That's the twist.

So, what is the Evan Knight Champalan twist here?

This is amazing.

CTV, the network that aired that, has apologized for airing an unwanted kiss.

They're saying it's a me too violation because he never asked her whether he was allowed to kiss her.

Isn't it only a me too violation if she's offended by it?

Right.

That's what I thought.

And she clearly was not.

No.

In fact, she says she laughs.

First of all, she laughs hysterically to the point she literally snorts.

Yeah.

Yes.

She's so excited by this kiss.

She's cracking up and she snorts.

Then she says,

he's so hot.

She was not offended.

She says that they had met earlier for a few minutes and also says, text me afterwards.

So she's saying, like, she wants future contact and insinuates at least, right?

You'd have to know that she has already given her phone number to this guy, right?

But that is not enough.

I believe it's the dandelion initiative.

The dandelion?

The dandelion initiative.

Which is an important initiative.

I know you know that, Pat.

Oh, of course.

Because you have to deal with it all the time because you're constantly going out and making out with people.

Strangers.

So the dandelion initiative has been all over you.

Yeah.

But they were very upset, started an online pushback against this.

They said that they were very grateful for the apology.

The network apologized for airing it because a kiss from an unknown person is wrong in every circumstance, despite she's now lost her own agency to approve

of the kiss.

Wow.

So this is not just a, hey, let's shame people in the park for not wearing masks.

It's also let's shame people for kissing people even when they like it.

It's a me-too violation.

Mm-hmm.

This is the world you live in now, where I thought we had left some of this crap behind because

we've got a serious pandemic going on and maybe the nonsense would go away.

Nope.

But maybe it's a positive sign.

It's peering its little head back in.

We're getting all the old stupid crap that we used to have to deal with, which honestly would be a welcome respite from dealing with death all the time.

Wouldn't it, though?

Yeah.

I was, you know, we complained about 2019 because,

well, there was, you know, all the gender stuff, all the

personal pronouns.

Personal pronouns are he, him, hers, or me, mine, ours, or they, them, theirs.

Yes.

And then that went away away for a little while, but now it's, you're right, it's all starting to sneak back in.

And now the Me Too movement is coming back.

So we should be excited, I guess.

Yes.

I mean, because as they say, CTV News apologized for airing a clip that featured, quote, real, non-consensual, consensual behavior.

You heard, you see,

she was totally consenting to that.

Totally consenting to it.

Yes.

Unless our new standard is she had to get a notarized form to receive a kiss.

That is a completely, is the most consensual thing I've ever seen.

Yeah.

Right.

Like she is not only consenting to it, she's thrilled to the point of outwardly snorting.

And they still apologized for it.

Incredible.

And if you, if you were opposed to it in the beginning, you pushed the guy away, right?

From the start.

Yeah.

She clearly did not.

She clearly does not.

She says, text me, again, trying to insinuate

further contact.

Does he have to fill out the form next time?

And the guy's like, now remember, this is a guy who they gave the name out of.

They gave his name out on the air and accused him now of non-consensual behavior.

And he says, he actually responds to it.

He says, like, look,

I don't understand.

He says, let's see, Jack Ring, the Toronto, told the Toronto Sun Friday, he's been getting a lot of comments that his actions were sexual assault.

But he said he met the woman earlier that day and they had spent time together.

She sat down with us for the whole day and she was telling me she likes me.

I went to the shop and when I was away, she had to leave.

So she left her number with a friend and she told me she wanted to get together.

So I came back and they told me what she said.

I seen her being interviewed, so I went in for the kiss.

People are assuming some random girl I don't know, which is weird.

He's like, I didn't even...

Amazing.

That's an amazing thing.

And now they basically called this guy a rapist

for kissing a girl who wanted to be kissed by him.

Amazing.

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You know, this kiss in the park in Canada where a guy approached a girl and spontaneously kissed her.

The CBC apparently broadcast that.

Now they've apologized because he didn't ask her in advance or whatever if he could kiss her and people are pissed off on her behalf.

Well, wait a minute.

If she's not mad, why do you care?

You can't, you're not the judge of that.

She is and she enjoyed it.

Clearly, everybody knows that.

And what's empowering for a woman here?

Is it that some

male executive gets to decide, oh, that was a non-consensual situation, or that she gets to decide that it's a non-consensual situation.

She's the one that should.

Does that mean that there can be no spontaneity anymore in a romance at all?

You can never just kiss somebody.

Right.

I mean, that's it's part of the magic, right?

Yes.

Like, if you're just saying, ma'am, I am thinking about putting my lips on your lips.

Would you mind signing this notarized?

We'll get the notarized, then we can have the kiss afterwards.

But could you sign this form?

And we'll have our little negotiations.

Triplicate, please.

Sign here, initial here, sign there, and initial right there.

That loses the magic of a first kiss, does it not?

Yeah, big time.

I mean,

if you were to

survey the audience right now, every

happily married couple, take

100 happily married couples and ask them on their first kiss, did

you ask for permission to start that kiss?

With outward permission.

Obviously, we all get physical signals, right?

Like, that's how most people would try to calculate whether they're allowed to do it or not.

You know, does she seem into it?

Does he seem into it?

Then you go for it, right?

I mean, that's kind of how it usually goes.

There's a leaning.

There's a certain amount of leaning towards each other that indicates the kiss is coming.

There's all these things.

This is a dance, right?

This is supposed to be something that's not easily defined.

That's what makes, that's the magic of a relationship.

So instead, there's this now, this thing where you have to have it down in black and white.

And if you asked 100 people, what would the percentage be who actually physically asked, may I kiss you?

Or can I kiss you?

It's got to be

20%.

Maybe there could be a reason why you might do it.

It might be a romantic ask in a certain certain show.

Especially if it was 10 years ago or more.

The chances, I think, go way down.

The chances that you said,

may I kiss you?

Because I, I mean,

my wife kissed me on our first kiss.

Oh, my God.

And she did not permit it.

Was it a non-consensual?

She did not ask my permission, Stu.

She did not ask me if it was okay.

In fact, she jumped me and

knocked me over the railing

into her parents' bushes.

I barely caught my balance.

She just leapt in and went for it.

And she did not say, may I kiss you, please?

Now,

this is stunning to me because, look, I I love your wife's cookies,

which sounds more flirtatious than it is.

He actually has a kick cookie company, scrumptiouscookie.com.

Exactly right.

Right.

I would like to go buy more cookies there, but I'm a little after this non-consensual news.

I'm a little, right?

I don't know if I want to support it.

I'm disgusted by her, right?

And yes, it was, you know, 37 years ago, but still, that doesn't make it right.

I can see that

event in your skills.

Do you see that I'm still a little bit troubled by it?

No, look, we can go back and watch.

You watch the madmen era, right?

Where like every secretary went by and got groped as they were bringing their copies to the executives.

No one wants to go back to that.

I mean, we're not, no, no one's arguing that.

There was a clip actually that happened

relatively recently, which was a news anchor was filing a report, and I want to say someone came by and like gave her a little like slap on the butt as they were walking by, and she got and like completely inappropriate, completely wrong,

obviously.

And there's a good, a good example for you should be outraged.

I would be outraged.

If that happened to my wife, I would be freaking pissed off.

And so I understand that, like, totally.

That's a totally different situation than someone being kissed and outwardly telling you she's excited about it, and you still apologize for it and basically call this guy a rapist.

Yes.

I mean, you're telling

when you have him on camera, you've given his name, and then you're saying he was engaging in non-consensual behavior.

Like, what is this guy's life like today?

I guess if you've seen the clip, everyone would say, come on, that's ridiculous.

But still, you now have it kind of on your record till the end of time.

When there's no victim, by the way.

No victim.

No victim at all.

That's a victimless crime right there.

Yeah.

And it seems like it's a real crime now.

So I don't know.

A, I have no idea.

You know, even though your terrible origin story of your relationship, which sounds so devastating for you,

it was horrifying.

That aside,

I keep thinking to myself, good God, I'm glad I don't have to date in this environment.

I would have no idea what the hell to do.

I would have no idea.

I feel for you if you're out there trying this right now.

And especially in the workplace, how do you meet anybody at work now?

You can't, right?

You can't even approach somebody in a romantic way at work.

Yeah.

Otherwise, it's sexual harassment.

No, that was my only chance, too.

Because, I mean, you know, look, I don't have a game.

You know, not a guy who could

achieve.

There wasn't a lot of picking up in bars that was going to go on in my life.

The only chance I ever had was being around long enough to annoy them into

entertaining the idea.

That was basically my only approach.

And it worked at least once.

So

you have that going on.

The work thing is a big part, especially if you think back, Pat, to

in our industry in particular.

This is as dumb of an industry as it is.

It's one that you are constantly working, especially when you're young in your career.

If you're not working 20 hours a day, you get nowhere in this industry.

Because there's a lot of people who want to be on the radio and want all their free concert tickets and all the crap that goes along with radio as you're coming up in it.

A lot of people want to do it.

So you have to outwork everybody.

You have no time to do anything.

You know, there's no partying.

You might get a little bit of that here and there.

But generally speaking, it's just one of those industries where you're working for no money, really long hours, doing work that no one else wants to do.

That's essentially your first 10 years in the industry for most people.

And that is a situation.

It is not conducive at all to going out and dating people who aren't also in your industry.

Yeah.

You know, it's working weekends, working nights, working holidays.

Yeah.

All of that stuff.

You know, I think back to my wife who's also in radio, no surprise.

We used to have...

She would have New Year's Eve gigs every New Year's Eve.

And so if you think about like the typical New Year's Eve couples thing that you do, you're out somewhere, the ball comes down, and you kiss your significant other, kind of like that typical thing that happens.

I know with you, Pat, you make out with random strangers on the street usually in that moment.

Like crazy.

But like, so for 15, 20 years, myself and my wife, she would be on stage doing a countdown at some club because that was what she did.

And I would be sitting by myself at the bar watching, waiting for her to be done so we could go home together.

But there was no, none of that stuff happened because she was always on stage, randomly making out with other people.

No, I'm not kidding.

That didn't happen.

Pat was there one time.

Forget it.

So my point is,

that is like, it takes you out of that realm.

And a lot of jobs are like that.

It's not just radio.

When you're really, you know, busting your butt to try to get somewhere in your career, those are the people you're around.

So now you can't do anything with them.

You apparently can't even, if you meet someone randomly in the park and spend a day with them, you can't even kiss them even when they want that to happen.

I would have no idea how to navigate these waters.

I don't know.

I would have absolutely no clue.

And if you're trying to do it, especially if you were someone who maybe had a relationship early, that a long-term relationship when you were, you know, let's say you're in your early 20s, you're in a long-term relationship, maybe you get married, you get divorced, and now you're back on the dating scene, and you're trying to jump back into that world after already dealing with it.

I don't know how anybody would do it.

Look at this.

This woman in a park had that's a that's a nice origin story, isn't it?

I think so.

Right?

Like if they, when they, if they get married 30 years from now, they're gonna be like, so we're in the park and we're hanging out, and I had to go to a store.

I came back, she was gone, but she left her number.

And I really wanted to contact her.

I was so excited.

And then I saw her across the park.

She was in the middle of a news interview, and I just walked right in and I gave her a kiss.

And that's how mommy and daddy met, how I met your mother.

Those are awesome stories.

Yeah, that's a great, that would be a great story.

Now, I thought.

This one was going to end differently because when he first kissed her, I thought, oh, she's going to be pissed.

Yeah.

And nope, the exact opposite.

And so then you're fine.

Okay.

Well, it turned out well.

So now they got something to tell their grandkids if that worked out.

It's, yeah, it's a nice story.

And I'll say, you know, to the, to the point of the whole coronavirus part of this,

we act as if you can take, think about this.

You're taking everybody in their 20s who's single, whose entire life for the past few years has been go to a bar, try to meet girls, go to a bar, try to meet guys.

It's courtship.

You're in that period of your life where that's a big part of it, right?

And you're basically saying with this shutdown, just turn it all off for a few months.

Like that is not something you can just do easily.

This is an entire world where you're saying no courtship, essentially, in your prime courtship

era.

Just turn it off for a few months.

And you know what?

Maybe it's 18 months.

Maybe it's maybe it's until we get a vaccine.

It could be a few years.

Like that's completely completely insane.

It's a foundational part of the, it's a building block, literally, of the human existence of our species.

Yeah.

You can't just turn it off.

How do you meet people if you're not allowed to go near another human being?

How do you have a relationship?

You're asking these people.

Some people who, what if you're dating someone and it's like you're on the borderline?

Does this continue?

Does it not?

Well, I guess it doesn't because we can't see each other.

Like, this is a big ask.

And the fact that people want to go out and be at a pool within six feet of each other after multiple months of not being able to see another human being is not, it's not a crazy instinct.

It's not.

You do your best, right?

We can't turn society off.

It's not just the economy.

It is society.

Here we are talking about the reason our species continues to exist, right?

Like it's that big of a deal if you extend it long enough.

You kind of have to allow some of that to happen.

Well, like you said, we don't even know how long this continues.

They've been telling us.

Well, it might last up to 18 months.

It might last up to 18 months.

I mean, you know, with the economy, that's absurd, but with relationships, it's dangerous to civilization.

Right?

What is the, like, everyone's like, oh, there's going to be this big birth boom in quarantine, which I don't know if that has happened.

I kind of tend to doubt it.

People who are already married, maybe.

Maybe.

Although I tend to think everyone was just disgusted with each other after a couple of weeks.

I mean, that's

potentially revealing from my own situation.

But I think, like, generally speaking, people are just disgusted.

That's why everyone's got puppies.

There's no baby boom coming.

There's just a puppy boom.

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Anthony Fauci

says that if America doesn't reopen soon, it will suffer irreparable damage.

Totally reasonable.

Yes, I agree.

True agree.

And totally reasonable.

And thank you for finally saying it.

Yeah.

And it's smart for him to say.

It is smart for him to say.

I wish he would have said it before this, but that's, I mean,

I can't argue with that.

He's not, I mean, he has been saying all along, I'm the medical guy.

I'm the one who tells you what to do medically.

I'm not the economy guy.

Although now he is saying we can't stay locked down forever because it will destroy the economy.

And it will.

So it will.

Of course it will.

And that's why, you know, if you want to look at this in a positive light of what we've attempted to do here, you can look at it like a panic room, right?

Someone's breaking into your house, you go into your panic room, you lock the doors down, you wait for police to come, but that's a temporary solution.

It's not an extensive solution.

If you stay in your panic room for the rest of your life, you eventually just die, right?

Like, that's not a good, it's not a good idea.

It's a temporary, horrible, it's a horrible solution to a problem that is massive.

Locking yourself in a room in your home with no windows is not a good solution for almost any situation.

Just one situation is a good solution for, which is there's someone breaking into your house with a gun.

This is the same thing that we have attempted here.

You can argue whether you like the results or not.

I think everyone understands that it's terrible for the economy.

It does have long-lasting repercussions, and it will be damaging the longer it goes on.

You can't let this stuff go forever.

And places like LA County in particular are, even New York is opening up.

LA County's like,

August 2026, we're going to start.

That's got to 25% capacity at restaurants.

I was like, wait a minute.

I can't believe how many people live in the conservative movement, too, are dealing with life in LA County right now.

That's got to be, that's got to be hell.

Yes.

And it will be hell again if they shut us down again, if there's a second wave.

That's what I'm a little nervous about: is the second wave, if it comes.

And it might.

It might.

There might be a second wave.

And then, you know, they will insist once again that we shut down the economy again.

And we've got to be ready to say, no, not this time.

We're not doing that.

Yeah, that was one of the initial solutions they were talking about, which was you lock it down first, get the disease down low, and then every time you have a new outbreak, you just lock it down again for another month.

And you're like, so you're like two months in in regular life and then back for a month in lockdown and back and forth until we have a vaccine.

I can't, that's just screwing with people's heads.

Yeah.

I don't know that you could deal with that.

I I don't know how society would

handle something like that, especially American society.

You know, like they did a lot of this stuff.

They wouldn't handle that well.

Yeah.

Like, there's a lot of places that attempted things like this in Asia, but it's a totally different culture, right?

Like, it's a culture that is much more used to dealing with the government telling you you're not leaving your home for a certain amount of time.

This is totally foreign to the American culture.

And look,

we gave it this time.

It was obviously a serious thing.

I mean, these numbers are higher than almost almost anyone predicted.

But still, like,

we did that.

We need to find a way going forward.

We gave you your time to prepare.

A lot of sacrifice has already been done.

We have to be able to go back to normal, like, at some level, even if it's with some precautions.

It's only sensible.

And even our overlord, Anthony Fauci, is saying that.

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A couple of sports notes.

NBA's in talks with Disney about finishing their season at the Disney complex.

ESPN has this wide world of sports complex with all kinds of basketball courts, soccer fields, baseball diamonds.

And Major League Soccer and the NBA are both talking with Disney about doing their seasons there, which would be a pretty good place.

I mean, they've got 24,000 hotel rooms.

They've got all the venues.

And, you know, you wouldn't have any people there except for the players, obviously, just doing the games.

And it'd be a great place to kind of

just be secluded away from everybody and finish things up.

It's the Pauly Shore biodome approach to Major League Sports, where you're just going to basically keep people quarantined away from the rest of society.

Yeah.

And the reason, one of the big things is they're so worried about one person testing positive on one of these teams.

Because if that happens, four or five do, and then they shut it down again.

What they've said is

if somebody gets it, and they will, somebody probably will.

Yeah.

I mean,

it's likely, I guess, that someone will get it when everybody comes together.

Just quarantine them and keep going.

You don't have to shut down the season again, right?

But will they do that?

I think you have - unless it's like a really big problem.

I think you have to just keep going.

I think so, too.

One person testing positive, I think you're right.

You quarantine.

What happens when eight people on the same team do on an NBA team that has, you know, 12 to 15 people

on an active roster?

What happens if you're in the NBA finals and LeBron James tests positive for COVID?

What happens?

Yeah.

Now, obviously, in LeBron's case, I would say he should be ejected from the league and never return.

But let's say a player that I like, it happens to.

Seriously, like, you know, you put, you know, Giannis for the Bucs tests positive during the NBA Finals.

What do you do?

What do you do?

You can't take away the, you know, NBA MVP

off of a team in the middle of the finals, can you?

But yes, they absolutely would have to.

Do you delay it?

Do you wait a couple weeks and wait for him to be asymptomatic, test negative, make sure everyone else?

He has to decide all those things in advance.

Oh, my gosh.

It's going to be

crazy.

They've got to be thinking about all that, right?

They have to be.

What if LeBron gets COVID-19?

Do you shut down the league or do you keep going?

And I think you keep going.

As long as it's just LeBron, if it's 15 people spread across different teams, then you probably have to stop.

Yeah.

There's some level where this could be.

Just be like, if 15, 20 guys get it, then you're worried about a pandemic sweeping through the NBA and killing NBA basketball players.

You'd probably stop.

And

the way they're changing the seasons up, they're trying to be basically a half season for baseball, where they're sorry, an 82-game season.

25% pay.

So, I don't know that that ever happens because the players aren't pleased.

No, they're not happy about it.

And I will say, it's an interesting approach to fight about money in the middle of this.

It's a tough thing to take.

You know, your fans are, you get 38 million people out of work.

Yeah.

And you're like, you know what?

I can't do it for $2.9 million.

I'm not doing it for that.

Half work at $2.9 million?

No way.

I don't cross the street for $2.9 million.

Nope.

But on the other hand, from the player's perspective, I signed a contract to play this sport.

Yeah.

When you're making $40,000 a year, though, you don't understand the guy who won't play for $3 million a year.

It's tough.

It's a tough one.

You need to really be a good player.

But the pitcher who was talking about that, who was that?

Was that Snell?

Blake Snell.

Yeah, it was.

It was.

Who makes $7.5 million, and I think he was talking about working for $2.5 million.

And you were like, okay, you won't do that?

Yeah, he said it's not worth it for me to do that.

It's not worth it.

Now, he's a guy who's going to play.

You'll make zero if you don't play at all, right?

But he's a guy who has a future where he's going to be making probably $20 million a year and doesn't want to risk going back and risk really more than, you know, I don't know, like risking injury for $2.5 million for him is probably not sensible financially.

However, you have to take context into the equation here.

You're in the middle of a pandemic where people have been locked in their homes, homes, 38 million people are out of work.

At some point, do you just say, look,

I would have dreamed to play a half season in the major leagues for $2.9 million my entire life until probably a couple of years ago.

Yes.

Maybe I suck it up here and just go for it.

They lose that perspective, though, I think.

But like, think about this, Pat.

You go back to you're a mere major league baseball player.

You don't, you're thinking of yourself.

You're not thinking about the average person.

What's the best thing for your situation?

And you know what?

You think, well, I'll go back.

And the first time I've got muscle soreness, I'm out.

I can't pitch.

I'm hurt.

Like, are you, there's going to be guys faking injuries.

There's going to be guys who are, you know, I have a minor surgery that I could get or play this season.

Screw it.

I'm getting the surgery and staying home.

They're going to have to pay me anyway.

And then I don't have this risk associated.

Not everyone's going to do that, but it's going to happen.

All this stuff is crazy.

I mean, you think about, there's a huge story today about how

tons of companies they they they one of the I'm trying to think which insurance company nationwide maybe the nationwide is saying that the work-at-home thing is working so well for us we're gonna go from 20 nationwide offices hubs to four oh wow gonna go from 20 to four because everyone's working at home it's working out fine so we're like we're just gonna keep going with that a ton of companies are gonna find out that you know we really don't need these do we need this giant building right like why we have like 20 floors of this building why don't we have one floor of this building yeah you know uh like Manhattan, that's already an issue.

Yeah.

Commercial real estate is going to be a real concern.

Big time.

You know, because a lot of these companies can do that.

They have found out.

It works pretty well.

Yeah.

We're doing okay.

I was talking to someone around here who's normally in the office and came in just

randomly to pick up a couple things.

And it was like, it's just working great for us at home.

Like we're able to be really productive.

It's easy to be focused.

I don't have to worry about all these side conversations I'm coming in and having with everybody who's passing by.

It's the opposite, the very opposite of what was in fashion a few years ago, which was the open office.

Right.

Where every, well, every single meeting we have, everything you do should be in full view of everyone.

So you can always know.

And I have always hated that.

We always bust on Glenn for that because he loves the open office thing.

But like, this is the total opposite, right?

Yeah.

No one knows anything, has any idea what you're doing.

I have no idea what the productivity levels are, you know, nationwide when it comes to business.

It's a whole change of society.

When you look around, we're about the only ones who come into the studio.

Yeah.

It's just us.

There's about 10 people here, maybe, on a daily basis.

Like, you know, when it comes to people who help get the show on the air, a few others.

But it's interesting because when you look around at any media, they're always at home.

Yeah.

They're at home.

Almost everybody.

I do think,

tell me if you think I'm wrong on this, Pat.

I think at some level, it's become a virtue signaling thing.

Yeah.

Look, I'm at home.

I'm being responsible.

Right.

Like, why wouldn't you, let's say you're,

you're running the Stephen Colbert show or John Oliver, right?

You can rent

a facility

or you could retrofit a part of his 10,000 square foot house to make it actually into a studio, right?

Like, so it doesn't look like he's on Skype.

Right.

Like, this would not be difficult for any of these companies to do.

In a way, they're just virtue signaling, like, look at us, we're in this with you.

We are in this with you.

See, there's a bookcase behind you.

That means he's he's in his basement right now,

just like you are.

Yeah, we're all in our basements.

We are right now.

We're the same.

Now, sure, my bookcase is 14 stories tall.

Yes.

Yes.

But I'm just like you.

And it's in a five-story library

that's in my home.

But don't notice that part.

There's some

video that went, you know, somewhat viral video of, you know, it was kind of a parody of the

imagine thing that they did at the beginning of this pandemic.

Remember all the celebrities were like, imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you can, or whatever the stupid name of that song.

And they all like traded it off and everyone made fun of them.

And they did a rework of that with Eat It by Weird Al, which just randomly all sang it very seriously to the camera.

I think it was Bob and David from Mr.

Show.

They did a reunion thing for charity and put this.

The very last part of it, though, is he's Weird Al, and he's very dramatically saying, just eat it, like into the camera.

And then he ends it with, we're all in this this together.

And it just pans.

And he just realized he's in this ridiculous mansion in the Hollywood Hills overlooking all of Los Angeles.

Like intentional snow pan to show that he's not in it with you at all.

He's weird out.

The guy's been making parody songs and he's a multi-millionaire and he has no connection to your life at all.

Okay.

That is that's the truth.

He's got a $30 million mansion in the Hollywood Hills.

Great for him.

I am not.

I do not begrudge him at all.

But like, they're not in this together with you.

No, no.

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So apparently,

there's a new documentary out about Lance Armstrong.

Yeah, it's

30 for 30 on ESPN.

30 for 30 does such a great job.

They do such a great job.

Those are always good.

They're always good.

I could watch any of them.

I love it.

And I like sports anyway, and I like documentaries, so this is right down my alley.

But still,

they do a very good job with most of these.

And they just came off of this.

Armstrong's a fascinating subject.

He is.

They just came off of this Jordan thing, the 98 Bulls, a 10-part series that got ridiculous ratings.

It was great.

And at the end of it, they started promoting, okay, now we're going to do this every Sunday in this slot.

We know you're kind of conditioned.

Hey, we're going to come back with a great sports story next week.

So they came back with one, Lance Armstrong.

I think it's called Lance.

And it's basically his story, rise and fall of his career.

And it's in two parts.

So last week was the first part, and the next week will be the ending of it.

Two things I find interesting about it.

Armstrong is a really interesting guy in that

it's him being interviewed.

Everybody he was on the cycling teams with, everybody around him, like real insight on that story.

And I don't care about cycling, but it's still a fascinating, was it a fascinating American triumph initially?

Yeah.

That turned into obviously a totally different tale later on.

Because he won the Tour de France seven times.

Was it seven?

Seven times.

Yeah.

And so that, I mean, that was a huge record, and especially since Americans don't usually win that race because Americans don't usually care about cycling like Lance Armstrong.

Yeah, at one point, the

one of the people who was being interviewed, he's like, one of the things you learn about American cyclists in particular is they're all really weird.

And he's like, you know, because the thing is, if you're a great athlete and you're in America and you go into cycling,

it's a strange thing.

Yeah, because nobody's paying attention to you, right?

Right.

The great athletes go into basketball and baseball and all these other sports.

So if you pick cycling, you're just strange.

And the only reason anybody paid attention to Lance Armstrong was because he consistently won in a sport sport that Americans never win.

Yeah.

Rarely.

Right, exactly.

And something that made Americans actually care about the sport because it was fun to watch every other country who did care about it lose to us.

That's why I liked it.

Yeah.

I was just fun to see that.

And I mean, and I used to just defend him like

to the ends of the earth.

Yeah, he's, yeah, in France, he's using banned substances.

Deodorant.

that kind of stuff.

And then it turns out, no, he's been doing steroids and blood doping and every manner.

You believed him, even when accusations came in for years and years.

Yeah, because he was so strong in his denial.

And you defended him, if I remember right, almost right up to the time where he admitted it.

I did.

Yeah, I did.

And that was literally right up to the time when he admitted it.

And then it's like, wow, you just, okay.

I remember when this happened.

And it reminded me of how

Hillary Clinton should have felt when Bill was like allowing her to go on television and say it's a right-wing conspiracy, right?

Like, it's a right-wing conspiracy.

It's all, you know, it's got nothing to this.

Oh, by the way, yeah, I was sleeping with her.

Sorry, honey.

You know, wouldn't you feel so betrayed?

And I think, like, I...

watching you as a real defender and then him admitting it, like it pisses you off.

I've spent my capital out there defending you.

Yes.

And look what you've done.

Yes.

So that part of it is really, I think, fascinating

from just a level of the story, it was really good and well told.

And he's an interesting storyteller.

You know, he's being very honest about it.

He's blunt about it, right?

Very honest about it.

He was with Olmer, too.

I mean, he did the Oprah interview shortly after, maybe a year or two after it all came out.

And that was really blunt.

Yeah.

And so

he just lets it out now.

But

I think even more than this, Pat, I would love to get your take on this.

The documentary starts first minute is, you know, they did those cool like setup things where they kind of give you a little insight of the story, but not give it away.

And it starts with Lance Armstrong

talking about his life today.

When he goes out, he's at a restaurant or a bar, and people start coming up and talking to him.

He's a famous guy.

And what do they say when they walk up to him?

The things are not pleasant.

And he describes these interactions.

And the way he describes describes them is basically to say everyone comes up to him and says F you to his face over and over and over and over again.

And he says with no bleeps the whole word F you over and in the first two minutes.

He must say this 20 times in the first minute and a half or two minutes of this documentary.

It's on ESPN, which is a Disney-owned network that is at 8 o'clock at night on Sunday, on Sunday, listing out constant streams of F-bombs with no edits and no one says anything.

It's a strange choice for ESPN to just let that happen.

Right.

It's strange.

Let's take a quick one-minute break.

I want to get your take on this, Pat, because the cultural part of this is really fascinating how far we've moved with no one noticing.

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It's Patton Stew, and for Glenn, he's on vacation this week.

We're talking about Lance, the documentary from ESPN 3043.

And every time I talk about this particular topic, I hear the voice of Jeffy in my head saying, ah, word police, because he gets upset when anyone says you shouldn't be constantly swearing because the only three words he knows are F-bombs and variations on the term.

But, like, I am, take away the fact of whether it's right or wrong for just a second.

I am fascinated that we are a culture that went through the Janet Jackson thing in the Super Bowl, right?

I remember it being a massively big deal when South Park aired an unedited episode at midnight on Comedy Central, right?

Not that long ago.

I mean, within the last decade, okay?

When I know that, like, it's always sunny in Philadelphia is a show that I love.

It's on FX,

and they will occasionally let, you know, like, not occasionally, a decent amount now, the S swear, S bomb.

And that is out there.

They don't say the F-word, though.

I don't think.

I don't think so.

They do, but they get pretty

aggressive with the language, but it's always sunny in Philadelphia.

It's a show designed to be offensive for adults on an adult network.

This is ESPN on Sunday at like eight o'clock, unedited F-bombs in a constant stream.

You watched The Last Dance on the edited version of it, and you could see how many sweaters there is.

You don't miss anything.

No, you don't miss anything.

No reason.

There's no reason for it.

But what I'm fascinated by is why this has happened with no cultural discussion.

No,

I know it's a pandemic,

so like there's other things to focus on, but this has been, this has just gone from zero to a hundred miles an hour in two seconds and nobody noticed.

Like this is a, it's a Disney corporation is doing about the only person I've heard bring this up.

Is that weird?

It is weird.

I mean, millions and millions and millions of people watched this Jordan documentary.

I guess we're so desensitized to it now that they're just like, oh, okay.

Yeah, that's how we talk about it.

I guess this is how

it happens now.

We just, this,

because no one's going to be surprised that athletes are swearing.

No.

But I would be surprised that they're just letting it go without any edits and all the only thing you do is you get at the beginning of it that there's some language in this thing like there's a little there's a little disclaimer at the beginning yeah is there because it seems like the cultural norm there's no fcc concerns here this is cable i'm not saying anyone should get involved and ban this language i'm just i just find it odd that there has been this massive cultural shift.

It is the fact that the Disney Corporation is saying, you know what?

This is a good first two minutes of one of our, it's our, one of our marquee products in what

time slot, the thing that's getting the most attention.

Yep.

And no one said, hey, hey, you know, what does the mouse say about this?

Like, what, what's Goofy saying about this?

I mean, is Goofy going to start just like, Gorge?

Instead of

you?

I feel like it's right around the corner.

I mean, I don't even want to be it's a small world, but it would be very

twisted experience, I think, in this current Disney environment.

I'm surprised no one's called them out.

That is, I guess, my biggest surprise here.

Amazing.

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He's on vacation this week,

and

he's eating really healthily.

He just ordered five dozen of our cookies from my wife's cookie company, which is scrumptiouscookie.com.

Yes.

If you'd like to order some for yourself, and we just opened this up to eight more states.

So that's nice.

That's just to start.

We're doing the West.

Then we're going to do the.

I don't know where we go from here, but hopefully soon everything will be opened up.

But scrumptiouscookie.com if you'd like to get some delicious cookies.

And you've opened up a factory in Wuhan, I understand.

In Wuhan.

Congratulations.

So you can get the COVID-19 chocolate chip cookie.

Delicious.

It's worth it.

I will say, I would get COVID-19 to eat one of your wife's chocolate chip cookies.

They are delicious.

So he ordered five dollars.

So he ordered five dozen of them.

This is after, what, two or three dozen last week and a couple dozen the week before.

So look for him to come back a little more visible than he's even been up until this point because there will be more of him to view.

Is anyone else getting these cookies?

Is it like for the house or is it just Glenn?

No, just Glenn.

It's just you.

He keeps him in like a bathroom

cabinet just as he sneaks in and eats a cookie every time he goes.

I don't know, man, but he has been for sure our biggest client so far.

In many ways.

In In many ways.

In many ways.

Yes.

Yeah, no, those are delicious, and I can understand that order.

However, I will say this is very common.

Maybe not with

your cookies in particular, but people are just eating like cookies.

Eating like cookies.

Yeah, well, because it's comforting, right?

It is.

You just, I mean, things are so different, and we've been turned upside down, and so you just want some kind of comfort, and so you turn to food.

Yeah.

And I kept thinking to myself, you know, we used to go out, we would go out to eat.

My wife would always have date night or whatever on on the weekend.

We go out and have a nice dinner if we can.

And we were saving that money for a while.

And I thought to myself, you know, what I should do is spend that money on food that I can have shipped to me.

So I was going on that Gold Belly.

You ever use Gold Belly?

That's one of those sites.

I haven't.

It's basically.

It's like a DoorDash or whatever.

No, not exactly.

So Uber Eats will deliver from restaurants around you, right?

Yeah.

DoorDash, or excuse me, Gold Belly is like all of the best foods from all around the country.

So it's almost like a national DoorDash in a way.

So like if you want a New York pizza from the New York place, they will get it and they freeze it and send it to you and it comes

directly from the place.

So the best, you know, cakes and cookies and you should get on there with their cookie company.

For sure.

Pies, everything.

The famous ones.

It's expensive.

And it is, it's on the expensive side for sure.

Yeah.

You know, because it's quick shipping.

Yeah.

But like, again, like, if I'm going to, you know, if I'm going to spend a normal, I'll go to a normal restaurant around here that might be okay.

And you're gonna spend, what, 30 bucks a person or whatever.

You can, if you're gonna spend 30 bucks a person, you can get the best, you know, pizza.

I ordered some place that sent lasagna.

It was unbelievable.

Like, I was like, again, you know, you're heating, you're reheating it and stuff, but hey, why not?

I'm in a quarantine.

I might as well get the best food from around the country was my theory.

I like that, though.

That's a good idea.

It's also a great way to gain weight.

Yes.

Because then you get large portions of delicious food from around the country, and you can just kind of just dive in whenever you want.

And that's a really not a great thing for your physique.

No, and my problem is, I'm the only one in my house doing that.

So I'm becoming extremely, extraordinarily large.

I've outgrown the house now.

I have to live in a separate.

Oh, no.

Yeah, a separate domicile from the rest of my family because they're all doing healthier stuff.

Oh, I hate those people.

Oh, they're just

sick.

They make me sick.

My wife is a full-fledged vegetarian now for probably six or eight months.

One of my sons has become a vegetarian, but only about three weeks' worth, but he's doing really well, not eating meat for three weeks.

And one of my daughters, also not eating meat.

And they're all on this health kick of vegetables every night.

Sorry, I'm not joining you in that.

Quite clearly.

Will you accept the vegetables on the side of your steak or not?

No.

No.

Nope.

Not even on the side.

Nowhere on my plate.

It is an interesting thing.

You know,

I talked to the guy who is the CEO of Impossible Foods,

you know, the Impossible Burger.

Yeah.

And it was something that you guys taste tested on the air live with real meat and the Impossible Burger.

And couldn't tell the difference.

Couldn't tell the difference.

In fact, I think you both said that the Impossible Burger was the real burger.

I think we did, yeah.

Which was crazy.

Was that in the Burger King test?

No, that was the place.

Oh, yeah, another

end one.

And so I was talking to him, and what was interesting about him, I thought, was

he is like, you know, look, he, he wants to make a burger that people eat instead of meat.

Like, that's

his goal is to, to, to win that battle.

But he wants to do it within capitalism.

And he was talking about how, what the great things that capitalism has accomplished and how he's not looking for government help.

He's not going to shame anyone into eating it.

And this guy's probably not conservative, right?

Yeah, I don't know what his politics are.

He, you know, he definitely was friendly to capitalism.

Definitely, like, didn't, he said it a couple of times.

He said, you know, look, what we want from the government is for them to get out of our way so we can do our thing.

Nice.

Like, like, I love hearing that.

Yeah.

I don't even get that from Exxon anymore.

Right?

I can't get a freaking company to say the free market does anything.

And I'm getting it from the guy who's making, you know, vegetarian meat products.

I can get it from him, but I can't get it from, you know, BP.

Yeah.

What happened?

I don't understand.

They've all caved.

They've all caved.

They all act as if the free market is this evil thing.

And here, you know, here's a guy who's saying, like, look, we want to win this battle because our product is not as good as meat, but better.

We want people to like it more.

You got to love that attitude.

That's a great attitude.

I really liked, I liked hearing that.

It was a really interesting conversation.

And I think he's, you'd like, you like someone who's going to, you know, he was a scientist and he left this to start this company.

And he's built, I mean, I, you know, it is, as you know as well, it tastes really, really good.

And, you know, whether you like it, it's up to you.

But I like that.

He's like, you know, free choice.

Like, the only way that this is going to happen, he brought up a great example of in China,

the Chinese government told their people to cut meat intake by, I think, like 50%.

He's like, you know, the Chinese government has some success level with convincing people to do things in their country.

Like, I basically control it.

And as he pointed out, like, they basically did nothing.

They didn't change their habits at all.

He's like, if the Chinese government's threats won't stop you to change your habits, trying to convince people to not eat meat or say, hey, you know what?

It's really good for the environment or whatever is not going to change their habits.

What's going to to change their habits is if they like it more.

Offer them a better alternative.

Exactly.

Brilliant.

Yeah.

And he's like, you know, we can do, we're going to, you know, eventually get to the point where this is cheaper than

meat that you're traditionally getting.

We're not there yet, but eventually.

It's right.

It's not there yet, but it's getting there.

You know, that you'll, he's like, it'll be healthier.

You'll like it more.

Like, you know, again, it's his company.

He's saying good things about it.

But I just love the approach.

The fact that he wasn't trying to shame us into it.

He wasn't trying to say, he even said, he's like, you know, I don't want a farm bill that helps our company.

I want them out of our way.

Wow.

That's really refreshing.

Yeah,

it kind of is.

He actually mentioned your taste test with you and Glenn.

He did a podcast.

Have you heard of How I Built This?

I think I have, yeah.

It's one where they basically profile companies and they actually mentioned

they mentioned Glenn in the middle of this and the taste test that you guys did.

The guy, the CEO of the company, saw the video.

So

listen to this clip.

It's from How I Built This from NVR.

Just last year,

you upgraded the recipe for the burger, and then you began rolling it out at grocery stores, and then at Burger King, which introduced the Impossible Whopper that people went crazy for.

And then Applebee's and White Castle and all these other chains started selling it, and people loved it.

I mean, I think even like Glenn Beck, you know, people like who are like you would imagine would go after vegetarians are like,

like, they loved it, right?

He was hilarious.

Did you see that video?

Yeah.

Oh, it's hilarious.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Glenn Beck's like,

I'd eat this.

This is great.

I can't tell the difference.

And you went from like just, you know, David Chang and a couple restaurants in 2016 to now they're everywhere.

And see, the surprising thing there is that they've discovered that conservatives will like something if it's quality.

Well,

we don't care about the ideology.

If it tastes as good or better than meat, I'll definitely eat it.

It's just like we've been saying for years.

Give me an alternative to an SUV, to gasoline-powered engines that is viable all the time, where I can, you know, I don't have to completely turn my life upside down to use it.

Yeah, and we'll use it.

That's what Elon Musk has tried to do, right?

With Tesla.

Yep.

You know, we have one of the producers here at the Blaze who has installed the solar panels and

Tesla batteries in their house.

And And every month he sends me a text.

He's like, check this out.

It's just his electricity bill.

It's like 10 cents.

Like, legitimately, like 10 cents for the month.

Provide an alternative.

We'll use it.

He liked it.

He likes it better.

And it works great for him.

I mean, it might not work if you're in some cloudy area.

I don't know how, you know, like there's certain differences in different places, but he's in Texas and it works great for him.

He basically pays nothing for electricity now that he's paid for the system.

Wow.

And so those things, I think, that's how you win these battles.

You don't win the battle battle by saying, well, you know, you're a bad person if you don't do the thing that I want.

The same way, by the way, when we talk about the COVID thing that we're dealing with now, you're never going to win the battle by screaming at someone not wearing a mask in a grocery store.

Like, if you believe the thing is

at all.

Try to convince people, try to show them, you know, lead by example, be cool, you know, talk to somebody about like why you think this is, you know, is the right thing.

But if it's not, you know, you do your own thing.

That sort of stuff is much more effective than screaming at people in a grocery store.

That's insanity.

Yet that's the left's approach to everything.

Every one of these issues.

You know what?

Yo, well, you're a bad person if you use too much electricity.

You're a bad person if you eat meat.

You're a bad person if you don't wear a mask.

You're bad.

You're bad.

You're bad.

You're bad.

Well, I'm sorry.

We see you.

You're not that great.

You know, you can't, you know,

if I read it, you know, in the Bible, I mean, people have a tough enough time listening to that.

That's the ultimate authority.

They're not going to listen to you because of your stupid Instagram comments because you've shamed me at a beach.

Doesn't work on anybody, does it?

No.

That's why this approach

from what's his name?

The inventor of the Impossible Burger?

Pat Brown.

Pat Brown.

Okay.

So that's why that's such a great approach.

It's a great approach.

Yeah, make a good product and people will just gravitate toward it.

Yeah.

I have

a decent amount of people.

As you know, I'm a vegetarian.

I will say Glembeck does come after vegetarians.

Me.

Almost every day.

Almost every day.

But most people of my life don't, you know, don't aren't idiots like me.

And so they eat, they eat.

And she's not a vegetarian, is she?

She's not, but

she loves that impossible burger, man.

A lot of them, because, of course, I order it because I like it.

They try it, and then they wind up just ordering it because they like it.

Yeah.

Right.

So that's how you win.

That's how you win that battle.

You're not going to win that battle by guilting people and putting scary videos on the internet.

And, you know, that is not how that happens.

I think think it's a great, it was just, it was, it's a nice approach to hear.

It was nice to hear a freaking person in business say something good about the free market for once.

And I'm sorry, what show was that a part of?

Oh, Stew Does America.

Stuff does.

Stu Does America.

Yes.

Where would I find that?

Well, you can go to YouTube, search for Stu.

Okay.

And I'll be the first one there and watch every episode for free or sign up on podcasts.

Fascinating.

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Interesting article maybe we should talk about coming up is

where does the government get the right to require vaccinations?

Where does that come from?

Or does it come from any place?

Does the government have a right to mandate that you receive a vaccination if one becomes available for this virus.

Or for anything.

Or for anything.

I don't think they do.

I don't think so either.

Not an anti-vaccine guy.

Vaccinate me for everything.

I'm all in.

I get the flu thing every year.

I have my kids in full leaf vaccinated.

I'm not at all against them.

I think the science is pretty good on it, frankly.

However, the government forcing people to do things like that.

It makes you not want to take it then, right?

Even if you do it voluntarily.

You all get sick all week.

Like, it does.

You almost want to do it at a point of protest.

We did a poll a couple of weeks ago at Pat Unleashed on Twitter with my listeners of if one if a vaccine is developed and it becomes available,

but it's met, it's mandated, will you take it?

And 73% of people said no.

7327.

Wow.

No, I wouldn't take it.

You think that's realistic?

Is that real in the real world situation?

It's hard to say because you're not in that situation.

though i will say it seemed real i think two people are at the point now where they feel like all right the worst is behind us you know we're now prepared a little bit we kind of understand this a little bit better so i don't need to vaccine it maybe you know like people don't i mean the flu vaccine is not near 100 effective but a lot of people don't only about half people take it and a lot of that is because people think well it's the flu i i've thought that myself there's been years i didn't get it i was like well if i get the flu i get the flu who cares it's just the freaking flu exactly and so I think if people are really scared about it, like if we got to a situation, you know, this happened with the Spanish flu in 1918, where 1919 was much worse than 1918.

And it got really ugly with the second wave.

If the United States turned into a bunch of Manhattans and we were all at that level of freaking out of holy crap, like lots of people are dying.

It's really, really ugly.

It doesn't feel like it.

like Manhattan in a lot of the country.

If it did, I think you'd have a much different percentage on that.

People would be much more willing to go for that.

That's probably true.

But right now, I mean, people are looking at it.

Well, you know, look, it's

bad.

It's definitely bad.

I mean, you know, I mean, look, we've had a lot of people die over this, and it's going to be a lot more.

I mean, we're still, even on good days, we're still losing 700, 800 people a day.

You know,

the biggest cause of death in America is about 1,700 a day.

So, you know, you look at it that way, and it's like, it's still

not pretty.

No, it's significant.

But

we've learned enough about it now to kind of maybe be able to stay out of its way.

And if it doesn't feel like it's a huge flare-up, I think a lot of people will say, no, no, thanks.

Yeah,

I think so, too.

But we'll see.

I mean, we might not even get a vaccine.

Who knows?

That's not even a guarantee.

You might have to...

You know, we might have to brave this for a while without any chemical help.

They seem really confident about it, but I...

Yeah, they do.

I guess it's just everyone coming together to try to do the same thing at the same time.

They think they're going to solve it, but I mean, they've never solved anything in 18 months like this.

Never.

It's never happened.

Although this feels like, you know, when they say they've got a Manhattan project going.

Yeah.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

Glenn Beck.

With Pat and Stew for Glenn this week.

Some amazing things that we just heard about in the

four-minute buzz from Hillary just a few minutes ago.

Wow.

I mean,

first of all,

the fact that the CDC has revised their mortality rate on COVID-19 from about three or four percent-ish, where they were saying it was 10 times

what it would be 10 to 50 times or something

more dangerous death rate-wise than

the influenza.

Now they've revised that from 3 or 4%

to 0.4%

death rate with COVID-19.

Which I think is about,

you know, I did a show on this, I think, in February because Trump was getting beat up about him saying, I think it's going to be less than 1%.

I think we're going to find out it's going to be less than 1%.

And he's getting hammered like, no, the World Health Organization says 3.4%.

It's like, no, that's not what they said.

When you looked at what they said, including all the scientists on this, they all were saying, we're not picking up millions and millions of cases.

We don't think it's going to be anywhere near where it is now, but that takes time for it to come down where you understand how far it's going to be.

You know, that's what happens.

It's just a very much a known factor of a new virus.

Like, very much known.

Trump was completely right on this.

All of his experts were saying it too, by the way.

But the media said, no, look at this report from the World Health Organization, who is really just reporting the current rate.

You know, like we only have discovered, you know, for every hundred cases we've discovered, three people are dying, right?

Well, there's a lot of cases they're not discovering.

This might be three out of a thousand.

That still would be worse than the flu,

but you know, it's a totally different scenario to prepare for, obviously.

And we probably first got a really good look at that from that Stanford study where they looked into Marin County and how many people had the antibodies as opposed to how many people had the virus and the estimates and all that.

And it was 50 to 85 times higher the number of people who were actually infected,

which lowered the mortality rate by

a factor of 10 or 100.

Yeah.

And look,

I've thought for, I've said on the air a bunch of times, I think I actually said 0.4 is what I think it's going to end up at.

And then the Lancet said 0.66.

You know, the initial

princess, the island princess ship, which is a really good look at this because it's isolated.

Like there's no, you know, where every case is, right?

That turned out at a 0.8%

mortality rate.

However, you know, because it's a a cruise, more older people, there was reasons why it was a little higher.

But it was a good sense to make sure that it was going to be,

good sense that it was going to figure, you know, wind up being less than 1%.

The other part of this, though, is when you talk about that study, which does show that the fatality rate is going to be less, this idea that we're somewhat close to

herd immunity is, I mean, it does not seem to be being proved out at all.

I mean, like even the study you're talking about, which did say, you know, it was 50 times as many people thought it had it than they had tests for,

also said the high number of people in the county was 5.6%.

It was like 2.8 to 5.6% was their range of people who had had it already.

So we're not, I mean, the highest number anywhere in the country was New York City, which was 19.9%.

So we're nowhere near, they think it's like 4% of the country has had this so far, something like that, which is still a huge number and does lower the mortality rate considerably.

But it is not something where we are like, oh, well, 80% of people have had it, so we're going to be fine.

No one else is going to be able to do it.

Which you kind of wish it were that way.

That's what you want.

It's one of those things where I wish I had that disease.

It's a weird thing to say.

But I know we've had people here who've done the antibody tests, which are now much more widely available than they were previously.

And you go in there rooting for the idea that you actually had COVID-19 because now you survived it.

It would be over.

And now you can go do whatever you want in theory because of the immunity, which does seem to be proved out.

That's another piece of good news we had last week.

That you do have some immunity.

It does.

They don't know how much.

They don't know for how long.

Yeah.

But most of that has been speculation.

I mean, I've heard Fauci say this in his testimony where he says, we do believe it will give you immunity, but

we don't have the final

confirmed test results of that yet.

We believe it because we've watched every other virus and how it acts.

So we believe it's going to react the same way, but we don't have it confirmed yet.

The first confirmations really started trickling trickling in last week where they found there is some level of immunity for some time.

It just depends on how long that is and what does that mean.

Like, immunity doesn't always mean you don't get it.

A lot of times, it means it's just a lot more manageable.

Like, you might get

a milder case,

much more mild, and it's not that big of a deal.

Neither one of those is a good outcome.

Yeah.

You know, we just don't want.

I mean, I've had enough of this thing.

I want it out of my face.

Yes.

You know, I really do.

I would love to move on to something else.

And, but, I mean, this week, maybe even today,

we're going to hit 100,000 deaths.

And when that happens, you're going to get parades from the mainstream media.

They're going to do ticker tape parades.

Yes.

Yes.

That sounds irresponsible.

Dancing elephants.

Yes.

Ticker tape.

Lion trainers.

All of it.

The whole circus is going to be brought out for us when it hits 100,000.

Can you, I mean, they love to talk about the amount of deaths that there have been because then they pin it all back to Donald Trump and blame it on him.

Obviously, ridiculous.

Of course, that's what they're going to do.

I don't know if the American people are going to do that.

No.

No, mainstream media will do that.

So many people have their minds made up on Trump, and it does seem that the people who hate him are blaming him for everything.

People who love him are blaming him for nothing.

And, you know, so I think there's, you know, I don't think the response has been perfect from anybody.

You know, governors, you know, the president, the CDC, I think, has had major missteps.

Oh, huge.

Yeah, huge.

But that being said, it's a friggin, it's a difficult situation to deal with.

It is.

You know, I mean, it's not easy.

But then you got people blatantly removing the blame from themselves and then placing it on the president, like Andrew Cuomo.

Oh, he's the worst.

And then with the nursing home thing, he's trying to depoliticize it by saying that he was following the federal guidelines from the Trump administration.

No, he signed an executive order that sent COVID-19 patients to

nursing homes.

Guaranteed they would be admitted with COVID-19, COVID-19 positive.

And also, the other part of that, which doesn't get as much attention, is that he prohibited nursing homes from testing patients for COVID-19 if they weren't showing symptoms.

So if you wanted to say, okay, we're bringing in five new people, let's make sure they don't have COVID before we get them started here, right?

Totally sensible thing, responsible thing to do.

And they said, you can't do that.

You're prohibited from doing it.

You couldn't have done a worse job if you were trying to kill people well i i honestly ask you this question if you were to design a policy which had a goal of killing as many people in nursing homes as you could which was 5 000 by the way would you and it's much more than that by the way because

it's 5 000 confirmed but they are not they did this thing where they were taking people who were in nursing homes got sick went to the hospital died at the hospital they weren't counting them as nursing home deaths oh wow which is infuriating infuriating i mean so it's probably at least another 5 000 because they're probably around like everywhere else is.

It's about 40 or between 40 and 60% of deaths throughout states are from nursing homes.

It's a big part of this.

The biggest part of this.

And, you know, if you were to design a policy where you're like, you know what?

These old people are a real problem.

They're draining our resources.

You know, they've already done that whole soil and green thing, so we can't really go down that road.

What should we do?

Would you change a bit of Andrew Cuomo's strategy if that was your goal?

No.

You would say, you know what?

Don't test people coming in.

No, right?

You know?

And if they have it, make them go back inside the nursing home.

That should kill all the old people.

Absolutely bizarre.

It seems as if it was designed for the purpose.

That's how bad of a policy it is.

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On the campaign front, it looks like President Trump has outspent Joe Biden by, I don't know, three to one or so during the COVID-19 thing.

He spent $21 million, I think, during this pandemic.

Biden has spent about $8 million.

But

I haven't seen either one of their ads.

Have you seen many campaign ads?

Maybe they're just not running in Texas, but I haven't seen them on the national network shows either.

I don't think they've run on a lot of TV ads.

I think it's been mostly digital.

I don't think there's been a lot of those ads.

I mean, Biden technically has not wrapped up the nomination.

True.

A lot of his voters don't think he's going to wind up holding on to it with all of his controversies going on right now.

I mean, when you go on TV and you're like, well, you ain't black if you don't vote for me.

And that's not even fair.

He didn't actually say that.

He said, you ain't black if you consider not voting for me.

It's actually worse

than the way it's being presented.

Yeah, but because he's Joe Biden, I'd just Joe be a Joe.

Don't worry about it.

That's basically what.

Can you imagine if this would have been Donald Trump?

They'd be tearing him limb from limb still today.

It would lead every single newscast on cable news and network news.

And they went right into

reputation repair mode for Biden all the time.

Immediately.

Here's a quick sampling of some of what they had to say in the mainstream media about Biden's gaffe.

You know, I'm a little revved up, okay, because this is a distraction.

Vice President Biden spoke to his comments on the Breakfast Club.

He apologized, he clarified, he said he shouldn't have been so cavalier.

But we need to move on to talk about the issues and what's really at stake here.

Vice President shouldn't have said it, he apologized for it.

But I really think the gall and the nerve of President Trump, I believe that Joe Biden was incorrect in saying the statement, you ain't black.

But I also believe that his apology was sufficient.

That apology was given swiftly.

He was saying, I'm sorry, I was being too cavalier.

I apologize.

To his credit, Joe Biden recognized within minutes that he had gotten here in his way.

I think he has apologized and he should have apologized.

It was like, you know, one of those jokes that just falls flat.

It's almost the end of the interview, and you need to understand the context.

I mean, Biden made an error, he apologized for it.

Yeah, it's fine.

And move on.

I mean,

we can obsess on this, but this is, in the scheme of things, this is not going to

mount to diddly squat.

That works.

It usually doesn't, does it?

I wonder why.

When you have the entire media making non-stop excuses for these comments, they don't seem to turn into much.

Wow.

It's a really amazing thing that goes on.

Is it?

Yeah.

It's like when he said this.

I mean, you got the first

sort of mainstream musician american right

who is articulate and bright and and clean and nice looking guy

i mean it's that's a storybook man it's just a storybook storybook man yeah yeah remember he kind of skated through that one too yes it's amazing when you're a democrat how much you can get away with racially yeah pretty much everything Everything.

There's no real criticism of you.

I did a thing on Stu Does America on Friday asking the question, is Joe Biden a racist?

And we just went through,

just went through, you know, what

he's been saying over the years

and whether that would typically be considered racist.

And man,

you know, there's a lot there, Pat.

There is a lot there when it comes to Joe Biden.

When you talk about, you know, the storybook thing that you played there, you know, what is the definition of storybook?

I mean, it's like, you know, it's like a fairy tale.

It's like, it's a children's story of magical beings.

That's what a clean, clean, articulate, good-looking African-American is to Joe Biden.

And articulate is defined as speaking coherently.

So he thinks it's like a magical being that a black person could speak coherently.

And we didn't even like it, it was like just no one even noticed it.

Not even a thing.

Not even a thing.

You know, the guy,

you know about his comments about Indian Americans.

Yes.

In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian Americans moving from India.

You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.

I'm not joking.

And he's not joking.

He's being seriously racist.

I'm not joking about being racist.

I'm being seriously racist right here.

Yeah, thank you, Joe, for that claim.

Thank you.

Because we believe you.

So we weren't doubting

what you were saying.

You know, so he's done.

I mean, he was, of course, we remember what he, the whole busing thing with Kamala Harris during the debate.

He said he was, that was led into by the fact that he worked with James O.

Eastland.

And he, it was, he never called me boy, he always called me son.

Well, guess what?

At least there was some civility.

That was what started that controversy.

Well, civility, here's this is what Eastland was famous for: quotes like this: I have no prejudice in my heart, but the white race is the superior race.

I'm just going to go out and say, I think you do have a little.

Then you have he called

some of these are so amazing.

His campaign accused the South Carolina Black Caucus chairman of being purchased by Tom Steyer during this past campaign,

not long ago.

He was accused of being xenophobic about talking about China.

Corey Booker beat him up about his racial stuff during the debates.

He

then

he did the thing where he said

white children are different than poor children.

Remember that one?

Yes.

That was always a classic.

He said

kids of black parents weren't doing as well because their parents basically didn't know how to parent.

You remember this one?

Where he said, what we need is we need to have people from the government come in and teach these people how to do their thing because we need to have the record player on so they hear lots of words.

You remember that?

Which again made no sense, but that was Joe Biden.

Oh, man.

He had the corn pop story.

If you remember the corn pop story, that was always good.

How about this one?

The Trump campaign unearthed this.

I missed this when this came out.

Found a story from 1987 where Joe Biden was, this is the quote.

But campaigning in Alabama in April, Biden talked of his sympathy for the South, bragged of an award he received from George Wallace in 1973, and said, quote, we Delawareans were on the South's side in the Civil War.

Oops.

Oops.

Oopsie daisies.

Would that be a big deal if Donald Trump said that?

Kind of.

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eliminated all men from contention as their vice presidential candidate or Supreme Court justice would be a sexist?

Would that be something?

Because I think you would say yes if I said women.

Yes.

Would you say men?

If you eliminated one of the two sexes,

then

yes.

Okay, okay, that's what I said.

I would say yes.

Now, think of our society and the way we throw the word racism around, especially from the people that you just heard in that exact montage we just played.

The same people.

Here's what Joe Biden said about segregation.

He said segregation was a matter of black pride.

And he said that integration would prevent black people from embracing their own identity.

Can't do it.

But

that's okay.

You should know that that's okay.

A-okay.

He did, I will say, when he was having this struggle,

he decided to ask the, quote, blacks on my staff about whether he had something in him that was deep-seated and he didn't realize.

So, I mean, he's a very thoughtful person.

He asked all the blacks on his staff, Pat, you know, what's he supposed to do?

And he was very,

very, very clear

about how open to the other races he was when he bragged to the Washington Post, quote, I still walk down the street in the black side of town.

No.

So that's nice of him.

Yeah.

Walk down the street on some black.

That's a, it's almost, he's almost too progressive on this issue, Pat.

Almost too progressive.

These are all real quotes.

And we left out, I mean, there's tons.

We did this on Stu Does America on Friday.

If you want to go back and check it out, you watch it on YouTube.

Just search for Stu.

It'll be the first show there.

But like, you go back and watch this quote after quote after quote, video, audio.

He has a...

You could say that the society has become too sensitive to racial allegations, right?

I think that's a very legitimate point in many circumstances.

However, the people voting for Joe Biden, the people defending Joe Biden, are the people who created that environment.

And if you apply that environment to Joe Biden, he should not only not be president, he shouldn't have a job, he shouldn't be allowed out of his home.

He has more racist, quote-unquote, clips.

And I don't know, is Joe Biden racist?

I don't know.

I mean,

I tend to think that the left throws that around.

in really reckless ways at times.

You have to look at, I do think you should look at the context of the moment.

You know, some of these things were said at times where other people were saying similar things and blah, blah, blah.

But he's way over the line as to what they would accept from anybody else.

I'll tell you that.

There's no question.

Came close to it.

Yeah.

And what he did

on Friday with Charlemagne is

inexplicable that they're accepting that.

It's nowhere near the line that they've established.

And yet, all of them let him off the hook.

Yep.

We just played that for you, that they just don't care.

It's completely fine.

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We were talking about Joe, uh joe biden a few minutes ago and the fact that he is uh

uh quite possibly racist but um it was nice to see over the weekend you know he keeps complaining about about people not paying their taxes and in particular amazon which everybody is whining about because the the theory goes amazon paid zero taxes last year

they they didn't pay any taxes last year seems difficult to pull off even if you're amazon it seems like everybody in the company should be arrested, or at least the company's CFO, maybe.

And that's certainly the message you're supposed to take from the comment.

Right.

They want you to think that.

But instead, Amazon has fought back a little bit, which is great.

Because, well, here's the comment from Biden.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

No company pulling in billions of dollars in profits should pay a lower tax rate than firefighters and teachers.

It's time for Amazon to pay its fair share.

Okay.

They're not paying paying a lower rate than firefighters and teachers.

I mean, that's ludicrous.

So here's what they paid in taxes last year.

More than $1 billion in federal income tax.

A billion dollars.

That seems like a lot of money.

More than $2.4 billion in other federal taxes.

So now you're at $3.4 billion payroll and customs duties.

More than $1.6 billion in state and local taxes.

So now you're at $5 billion.

And then you can add on another $9 billion in sales tax and use tax.

But that, I mean, I don't know that that qualifies because everybody pays those.

Yeah.

So, but you've got $5 billion in taxes that Amazon paid last year.

That's a far cry from zero.

It is a far cry from zero.

You're right.

And they pay the, by the way, you know, they like they pay the normal rate as assigned by the government.

Yes, which is why they're saying, okay, if you've got a problem with how much we paid, change the tax code.

Yeah.

Because we paid all of our tax bills.

Everything we had to do, we paid.

That's what everybody does, by the way.

That's what you have to do.

You have no choice but to do it.

The interesting thing with Amazon is like they haven't been immense.

They're a huge company and they make lots of money, but they came out of the internet world and were not profitable for a very long time.

So at some point, I mean, they always had to pay payroll tax, though.

That's got nothing to do with profit per se.

But you go back and you say, okay, well, were they profitable?

For a long time, they weren't.

so they probably weren't paying a lot of income taxes, but that's the same, that's, that's the same for anybody.

Anybody who starts a company is going to, is going to face that same thing.

You know, when you, when you, when, especially when you're starting out and trying to grow, you're spending a lot more money to build new places and, you know, design new technology and all the things that Amazon has done.

You know, like they didn't pay tax, tons as much tax as you'd think, at least for a while.

They certainly paid something, but they didn't pay for a while.

I mean, now they're at the position where they're paying a lot.

I mean, billions and billions of dollars.

What are they supposed to do?

They follow the law.

I guess they're supposed to say, well, you know what?

We made a lot of money.

Let's pay more in taxes.

Let's pay more than we need to pay

just because,

darn it, we love the government.

Let's fund them to a greater extent.

Nobody's going to do that.

Is Joe Biden doing that?

Even Bernie Sanders, when asked, said, no, I don't pay more than I'm asked to pay or pay the minimum amount possible.

I take

secrets.

You know, Bernie was asked about this during the campaign.

He said he admitted to taking all of the deductions from Trump's tax cut.

Yeah.

And he didn't have to.

He didn't have to.

You could still pay more if you wanted to.

Absolutely.

You can always send, there's an address that says gifts to the federal government.

There's an address in Washington.

You can send checks there whenever you want.

It's strange.

You know how many people we had this statistic.

I can't remember what year it was, but it was about this time of year where everybody's complaining about how little rich people pay in taxes and then they need to pay more.

And

somebody looked into who actually did pay more.

How many people actually put money on that line and said, Yeah, I've got a gift for the federal government.

There was one person in the United States of America who did that.

One.

I forget who it was, but I don't think it was anybody that was famous necessarily, but one person paid more than they needed to.

I kind of want to do it just to get, you know, just to share.

It was me.

Yeah, it was.

I was thinking about that.

It would actually be a funny thing to do do just to be the one guy who did it.

And then be able to say that on the air all the time.

Yeah, well, I did that.

I paid more than I needed to.

And then when they say, you know what, you are just a hateful conservative who just wants to cut money for the poor, and I could say, actually, I donate money to the federal government on top

of what I have to pay in taxes.

That's fun.

Just to end that argument.

Yeah, just to have the point.

I mean, it's worth a dollar.

They just send $1 to the federal government just so you could say that every time.

That would be fun.

I might do that.

I mean, of course, what they're going to do is waste it, but still.

Still.

They would still be

paid more than you had to.

Yeah.

I like that.

When are taxes due?

Is it July?

Yeah.

Last I heard it was July 15th.

July 15th.

Okay.

And then there was talk that they might push that back

to after the election, but I haven't heard any more talk about that.

That's a good idea.

What if you never made them do?

What do you think of that idea?

Let's toss that one out.

Let's toss that around a little bit.

What if there were never taxes due again?

If it's good for these few months, why wouldn't it be good later?

It's a strong question.

No one has an answer to that one.

I certainly don't.

I certainly don't.

By the way, looking at the Amazon profit numbers, they were still basically not profitable as of 2018.

I mean, they were what?

Yeah, their profit was basically nothing until

really

the fourth quarter of 2017, probably to be fair, is they made $2 billion in profit in that quarter.

But before that, they were spending so much.

Wow, that's kind of hard to believe.

It is.

It's that long.

I know.

All the way to 20, almost 18.

That seems like a poorly run company when you

sales world, pretty much.

Right.

Their sales in, like, for example, in 2000.

2014 was their quarter four.

They've made $60 billion in sales, but only $1 billion in profit.

Wow.

Now, $60 billion in sales is a lot.

Yeah.

However, they were basically breaking even from the start of their company up until 2018.

I mean, they weren't making a lot of profit, and they were able to get some money through,

you know, everyone has, everyone works the system to their best of their ability.

And if you're thinking to yourself, well, I can either pay taxes, I can pay 30% to the government right now, or I can take that 30%

and invest it into a new factory and increase my sales.

And then I'm not paying taxes on that money.

Well, it makes sense to grow.

The reason why it exists is to incentivize companies like Amazon to not just sit on a bunch of cash, instead reinvest it into communities and growing their business.

You're incentivizing companies to say, I'd rather spend it on something that will benefit me than just hand it to the government.

So that's why the rules are set up that way.

So that companies will spend their money on trying on research and development and growth and these other things to try to grow the economy.

We're trying to incentivize growth of the economy.

Everybody who's a business owner understands that.

And you know who else understands it?

Every single person outside of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who makes the criticism.

Obviously, AOC doesn't understand anything that she says, so she would not qualify for this category.

But everybody else who makes this comment understands why these rules are set up this way.

They're set up this way to incentivize businesses to hire people, to grow, to build new companies that construction workers are going to go work on, to

make the economy flow better and better every day.

Now, obviously, AOC in her our economics degree is not going to grasp that, but everybody else who's saying it is just lying.

No, and you criticize a company that you got to believe they use all the time, even at all the time.

Alexandria Casio-Cortez has to use Amazon a lot.

We all do.

I mean, especially through this quarantine.

Oh, man.

They made this big deal about, you know, is Jeff Bezos going to be the first trillionaire?

Did you follow this at all?

Yeah, in 2026, they should be a trillionaire.

Now, if you look at the study, first of all, all they're doing is just just projecting his annual growth over the amount of money he has for six years, like as if it's always constant, right?

Like, that's not how this works at all.

Right.

But he has like 180 billion or something, right?

It's nowhere near a trillionaire at this point.

But stepping back from that, can you imagine going through this quarantine without Amazon?

Just think if we just took that out of our society right now.

Uh-huh.

Going through, everything got delivered.

You could basically rely on it on time, especially if it was an essential thing.

It was there very, very much on time.

It was non-stop boxes being delivered to your door, so you didn't have to go out.

You were able to stay home and not go buy those things.

That's why I have no quarrel with Amazon.

Not at all.

He should be the first trillionaire, honestly.

He should be.

He should be worth $140 or $180 billion or whatever he's worth because he came up with a company that we can't even imagine life without now.

That's how, and he did it from his garage.

He and his wife started that business in their garage, then moved across the country, based it in the west, and

built it into this, something that we can't imagine being without.

I mean,

I remember when Amazon first started being really prevalent, and

I would think, who's going to buy stuff online?

Nobody's going to do that.

Yes.

It's just a bookstore.

It's just a book.

It's like a place you go buy books.

And it's turned into basically everything that you need for every situation.

And by the way, you know, people are like, oh, well, Amazon is taking money away from smaller companies.

And some of that is a fair question to ask society.

How much of that do you want to happen?

But you have to remember, too, it's also almost 100% of the sales of thousands and thousands of companies through their third-party selling.

And companies go,

all these companies that you're buying stuff on Amazon are all companies making them somewhere, right?

Like they are,

Bob's company makes something, puts it on Amazon to sell, and you buy it through Amazon.

Like you can make an argument that's an evil, you know, Amazon situation, but it's helping that company.

You know, like companies like Etsy and eBay, these big brand names are helping small business owners too, all around the world.

You know,

it's just easy.

It's a typical criticism of capitalism, right?

Where

you pick the big guy who's the richest guy, used to be Gates.

Now he's not the richest guy anymore.

Now it's Bezos.

And you pick the Bezos because he's, you know, I don't agree with Bezos' politics or anything like that.

But the bottom line is he's built an amazing company.

You're right, from absolutely nothing.

And he's turned it into something that is really tough to, it's tough to understand where we'd be without it, honestly.

It really is.

I mean, obviously other companies sell stuff online.

We'd figure it out.

But I mean, this has been an amazing achievement.

I mean, I don't know how we deal without Amazon Prime Video, let alone the entire company.

I know.

And all they do is get bashed.

You know, AOC comes out and says, oh, we don't want your factory in our state.

Like, okay, well, they'll go somewhere else and bring all those jobs somewhere else.

Good job, AOC.

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We're just kind of continuing to marvel at Amazon and what they've done during the break.

Apparently,

Stu, you're of the belief that Amazon Cloud is their biggest money-making enterprise?

Amazon Web Services.

So they, it's not the biggest part of their revenue.

I think it's the biggest, most profitable part of the company.

But listen to these.

These are growth numbers for a quarter.

43%, this is 2017, 43% in Amazon Web Services growth.

Then 42%, 42%, 45, 49, 49, 48, 45, 41, 37, 35, 34.

Per quarter, we're talking about.

And that's amazing.

I mean,

one of the things that's amazing about,

you look back at the history of capitalism, how much failure is a part

of the model where, you know,

I was reading this when I was reading Matt Ridley's book uh it's called how innovation works it's out now it's really good but he's talking about this and he's talking about how the trial and error process is how all these things happen all these great innovations happen in our world and it hit me for the first time that at no point in the phrase does it say you succeed it's just trying something and failing like trial and error trial and error trial and error at some point i hope you get to success in theory um but with amazon we look at amazon and say we'd say amazon's the gold standard of web companies right like you have Amazon, even though they started as a book company and have changed a million times, you'd say, if you were to say, like, what's the success story of Amazon, you'd say, or of the web, you'd say Amazon probably.

If I were to say, what's the failure, what's the, when you think of the cataclysmic frontline failure of a website from the dot-com bust.

Pets.com.

Pets.com.

It's the exact same one I came up with.

Did you know Amazon invested in pets.com?

No.

They were actually a giant investor.

They failed so many times.

They thought pets.com was a good idea.

And here they are as the ultimate sign of success.

It's crazy how that happens.

And I think that's one of my pieces of optimism when it comes to a treatment or a vaccine or something with COVID-19.

When we have that Manhattan Project sort of ideal, when everyone in the world and everyone in this country is looking at trying to solve the same problem at the same time, you saw what happened when we really ramped testing up.

When the CDC wasn't in the way, we were able to have private labs go after it.

We were able to jack that up in huge ways.

And that's only increasing.

Antibody tests have done a lot of the same thing.

When we're all focused on something like this and capitalism has a role, you see it go crazy.

You know, and I think that's the part of me that's optimistic.

It's just a tough process.

Some of it, you can't shorten the time for it.

But like you said, when you have some of the biggest moneymakers in the world combined with some of the best minds in the world and scientists and the world of medicine,

you can't help but but think, well, yeah, they're going to come up with something soon.

Yeah.

They've got to.

It does feel that way.

And then there's others who think, well, Bill Gates is involved.

So obviously there's,

he's trying to kill people.

Well, you get that.

You do have that.

You do have a lot of that.

I will say, though,

I thought, I know, not everybody thinks of it this way, but what an incredible comment on God, right?

Like, here is,

every smart person in the world is trying to solve this problem.

And what does our immune system do?

If you get it, it just creates antibodies and then you don't get it anymore.

Like it just immediately comes up with this thing to fight it.

And there's like millions of scientists trying to figure out how can we do that exact same thing that the body already does.

Pretty amazing.

It is pretty amazing.

But I, you know, you have optimism.

It's just, you know, it's going to be an ugly road.

It's already been an ugly road.

I mean, 38 million people are unemployed.

It's been an ugly road.

I just hope we can turn this around fast.

All right.

Much more tomorrow.

We'll

see you then.