Inquisition Hearings Day 3: NOTHING Is Consistent! | Guest: Salena Zito | 11/19/19

November 19, 2019 2h 5m

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Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and Pence aide Jennifer Williams testify before Congress. This is about the State Department’s shadow policies, not Biden, Trump, and Burisma! Trump said the Israeli West Bank settlements are LEGAL. But is Chick-fil-A caving to LGBT activists, or is it all media spin? And either Rep. Eric Swalwell or Chris Matthews ripped a big one on live TV in the new “Fartgate” scandal. Reporter and author of “The Great Revolt” Salena Zito provides an understanding of Kentucky’s elections, impeachment, and how Trump is faring. Rep. Devin Nunes asks questions the media won’t cover, while Schiff desperately protects the whistleblower. The inquiry has two different rulebooks, and Trump’s actions are NOT Watergate!
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Well, I don't know about you, but I wanted to get up this morning and just right away run to impeachment news.

we have a little bit of that because the hearings are

running today.

Also, Iran is in shambles.

There's news on Chick-fil-A that I don't understand.

What the president did yesterday with Israel made the head explode of everybody at the State Department, I guarantee.

And

the guy who's probably had the worst year beside Donald Trump, the worst year of all, Eric Swalwell.

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Welcome to the program.

First, let me give you a

Let me give you an update on a couple of things.

The impeachment inquiry is happening today.

An NSC official, Pence,

an aide to Pence, is going to also testify.

We're going to have, you know, Mr.

Googly Eyes open it up, and he'll probably be saying some really important stuff like,

but we have first Jennifer Williams.

She's going to be testifying.

She's State Department aide with

Mike Pence.

She has already testified behind closed doors.

Transcript of her session was released on Saturday.

She was one that was on the phone call.

She listened in on July 25th and said the mention of these specific investigations during the Trump-Zelensky phone call seemed unusual as compared to other discussions with foreign leaders.

She also testified about another phone call on September 18th between Mike Pence and Zelensky.

This call was after the security was delivered to the Ukraine.

The committee asked her if Pence gave Zelensky any advice how to approach Trump at the U.N.

General Assembly meeting.

She said Pence told Zielinski President Trump would be eager about President President Zelensky's progress in his reform agenda.

Williams then asked what Pence meant by reform agenda, and she said the anti-corruption reforms on reforming the judiciary and the legislative action and his administration, you know, the things that he was doing.

You said he, she, he, that's you're meaning Mike Pence said this?

Yeah, she said that Mike Pence said, okay, was talking about an anti-anti-corruption reform.

Yeah, see, Mike is doing this the right way.

Yeah.

Right?

Like,

he's not blurting out names.

He's being very careful with his language.

And it'll be surprising that if, in the end of this, we find that Mike Pence has said anything on the record to anybody about anything.

Right?

That's the way.

It's the way you would expect this to go down in the movie.

Right.

Right?

Right.

Like, if this is the movie, there's some guy like Mike Pence.

who says everything perfectly and never gets in trouble.

And that's exactly what you'd expect out of Pence.

No, but there's never any guy like Donald Trump in the movie.

There's never like the mob boss who's like, you know what?

I say we kill them all right now.

And I'm on the record.

Rudy, go on TV and say it.

It doesn't happen that way.

No, it makes it much more fun.

Yeah.

This way.

But it doesn't, but they were on TV saying it.

I know.

The showing maybe that they didn't think there was something wrong with this, right?

That's probably.

Indicating when you send out your personal attorney to go on television and tell everybody you're going to Ukraine to look into the obviously,

I mean, to me, obvious hint of corruption that's going on with the Bidens and Ukraine.

Right.

The thing that, you know, places like the New York Times had already reported on in depth.

You know, it does seem like maybe it was something he wanted you to know about.

I don't know.

Right.

You know, usually you hide bribery.

You know, usually you're

like, let's keep this between ourselves.

It's not like you go on TV and announce it before before you do it.

Hey, I just want you to know, I send Rudy Giuliani over because I'm having him look into some things.

And, of course, we're going to bribe and

just kind of do all kinds of really bad things.

We probably should hide that from you and the press, but we decided just to be upfront about it.

It's not even possible.

Okay, a couple of other stories.

First of all, also related to the impeachment, remember what this impeachment is really all about.

What is it really all about?

It's not even about the 2020 election.

It's about the deep state of the State Department.

That's what this is really all about.

The State Department is really upset.

The president is running a shadow policy.

How can the president run a shadow?

His administration is supposed to be setting the policy.

So it's not a shadow policy unless you're so out of control control and arrogant that you actually think that your policy that you're the one setting policy well their argument to be fair here and we gave the to play devil's advocate a little cry yes go ahead their argument is the policy didn't change so they had us over there communicating the same policies to the same people and it the ukrainians kept coming back to us and saying what is going on you're telling me one thing and i got rudy giuliani over here telling me something else yes because the president didn't trust everybody else, because as we found out from Rudy Giuliani, and he says he has five witnesses ready to attest to this,

that

the embassy in Ukraine

was known as Hillary Clinton campaign headquarters.

It was jokingly called campaign headquarters.

So, I mean, if you don't trust it, you do.

You send somebody out and you're like, hey, listen, don't necessarily, we got some things going on.

Don't necessarily, you report right directly to me and tell me what's going on.

That's what you do.

Yeah.

I mean, I think a potentially better path there.

I mean, remember, nobody on earth wanted to be Secretary of State more than Rudy Giuliano.

No, no, no, I know, I know.

I'm just trying to get to this point.

This is an argument between the State Department saying that they are in charge and the White House saying they are in charge.

Well, yesterday, Mike Pompeo came out, and he and the president have decided that the policy of the State Department is wrong in regards to

Jerusalem and Israel.

And so they've decided, yeah, you know, the occupied territories,

we think they're fine.

We think that's, we don't think that's against international law.

We agree with the state of Israel.

They have every right to occupy that.

They're not actually occupying it.

It's a part of Israel.

Oh my gosh, that made everybody

in the State Department from the old guard their head.

You could hear.

I think that Eric Swalwell fart might have been the heads exploding across the street at the State Department.

It really is amazing.

I mean,

well timed.

Well timed there.

Yeah.

He's sending.

It's interesting the way he's handling this because you know, he's going right after him.

He's going right after the intelligence.

He's going right after the State Department.

It's probably caused him problems, but he doesn't seem to care about it.

No, he's just going for it.

And look, this is, of course, the right policy we should point out.

It is.

It is part of Israel, and it's not occupied territory.

And it's all State Department that has kept that at bay.

It's all State Department.

Like, we all knew the capital of Israel was Jerusalem, and we all faked it.

for some reason, and we all acted as if

the State Department said it was a bad idea.

And remember how it was going to make the entire Middle East explode when he changed that embassy.

That has not been the case.

I mean, it's never pretty there.

I love this.

But I just love that.

It's been positive, I think.

Yeah, I think so too.

Okay, so

we have that going on.

Eric Schiff is still.

I don't know who any of the people you're talking about are.

Adam Schiff is a person that's involved in the ship.

Oh, who did I say?

You said Eric Schiff.

Okay.

I don't know who that person is.

And then you said Eric Schiff, who's also not a person.

Adam Schiff is the person.

Adam Schiff is the guy.

I just can't get past his eyes.

They're a little spooky.

I think the Trump nickname has worked on you.

You're to the point, you think

Shifty Shift is his name.

But his name is Shifty Shif or Shif, but not Shift.

I know.

It's just in your head.

It's in my head.

And it's true.

It's a very accurate nickname.

It is.

So anyway, we have that coming on.

And when he stops saying all of the important things that he's saying now, like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

This witness, which is going to say something bad about Donald Trump, is unimpeachable.

He's the perfect witness that's never done anything wrong in their lives.

They went, he played band, was the best clarinet player in his eighth grade.

As soon as he stops talking about that, we'll start to cover it.

Now, there is one thing that I don't believe, I just don't believe this is true:

that

Chick-fil-A

has

gotten out of their relationships with the Salvation Army and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes

because

they're dropping their anti-LGBQI

square thing.

Plus.

Plus, thank you.

They're dropping all of that now because of, you know, they need the, what, the gay chicken money?

You want the gay chicken money.

Everybody wants the gay chicken money.

Everybody's happy.

You've got to get the gay chicken.

Yeah.

Right now, Popeyes is like, oh, we almost had them.

The future of this economy is gay chicken.

There's no way this is true.

Well, it's true.

It's true, but there's no way this is, this is being spun by the press, in my opinion.

We will find out this is being spun by the press to hurt Chick-fil-A, to make people like me.

Now, look, if it is, if they're like, we got to have the gay chicken money, I'm telling you right now.

We did this whole God thing for a while.

We stood on our principles for a while, but we're at the point where we can dominate and put all chicken people out of business if we just get the gay chicken money.

And we want to say officially, marriage needs to be between a man and a man.

No intersex gender marriage is weird.

In fact, there is no such thing as gender.

No such thing.

These chickens are all genderless chickens.

If that's what's happening, then I'm really upset at Chick-fil-A.

But I don't think so.

It's hard to believe.

I mean, we've had Dan Kathy on.

Like, the guy risked his entire business to make this moral stand.

And now he's just like, ah, who cares about the

gay fried chicken money?

There's no way.

Give it to me.

There's no way.

It doesn't seem like him at all.

No.

No, Chick-fil-A

has not really given their side of the story.

The only thing they said is they had a multi-year agreement with the charities like Salvation Army.

And that's come to an end.

And they're moving the money to other charities, which they say

only it's going to be limited to three categories: education, homelessness, and hunger, which seems like right in the wheelhouse of Salvation Army.

Like it's like a lot of the stuff that they do.

Homeless and hunger thing, that is kind of.

And the Christian athletes probably has something to do with education, I would assume, too, when it comes to it's probably really important.

So I'm not really sure, but there's no problem.

That doesn't mean that they had a problem where they were changing their,

they're suddenly going after the gay chicken money.

Look, gay people eat Chick-fil-A.

I just have to tell you.

Now, social justice warriors, maybe they don't

seem like they do.

It seems like they've seen the numbers from Chick-fil-A.

Everybody loves Chick-fil-A.

Everybody.

It's Jesus' chicken.

If Jesus would have, if he didn't have fish, if he only had two chickens, in that basket would have been 5,000 Chick-fil-A sandwiches.

I'm telling you right now.

The best part about this one was when some NFL athlete was hit up by some social justice warrior on Twitter and was like, Look, do you understand what Chick-fil-A stands for?

Because he had posted that he was eating there.

Like, do you understand what the Chick-fil-A stands for?

They stand against gay people and blah, blah, blah, all these things that aren't really true.

And then he just responded, Chicken too tasty.

And like, that's the greatest point of all time.

Like, that's the truth.

It's just chick-fil-a.

It's the one thing we have.

They've got Disney.

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They have everything.

This is all we have: the chicken people.

Okay, that's the only thing that we have where

social justice warriors and freaks are just like, I can't, it's too good.

I can't not eat it.

Chicken too tasty.

Right.

We have Devin Nunez about to, he's just starting to speak here.

Should we come to him here in a minute after our

one minute and then we'll take him?

Because 60 seconds away.

That means that Adam Schiff only has a little more to say after that.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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This question starts with

what is the full extent of the Democrats' prior coordination with the whistleblower, and who else did the whistleblower coordinate this effort with?

The media have fully accepted the Democrats' stunning reversal on the need for the whistleblower to testify to this committee.

When the Democrats were insisting on his testimony, the media wanted it too.

But things have changed since it became clear the whistleblower would have to answer problematic questions that include these.

What was the full extent of the whistleblower's prior coordination with Chairman Schiff, his staff, and any other people he cooperated with while preparing the complaint?

What are the whistleblower's political biases and connections to Democratic politicians?

How does the whistleblower explain the inaccuracies in the complaint?

What contact did the whistleblower have with the media, which appears to be ongoing?

Wow.

What are the sources

of the whistleblower's information?

Who else did he talk to?

And was the whistleblower prohibited by law from receiving or conveying any of that information?

The media have joined the Democrats in dismissing the importance of cross-examining this crucial witness.

Now that the whistleblower has successfully kick-started.

as if the Democrats put the whistleblower in their own witness protection program.

My second question.

What was the full extent of Ukraine's election meddling against the Trump campaign?

In these depositions and hearings, Republicans have cited numerous indications of Ukraine meddling in the 2016 elections to oppose the Trump campaign.

Many of these instances were reported, including the posting of many primary source documents by veteran investigative journalist John Solomon.

Since the Democrats switched from Russia to Ukraine for their impeachment crusade, Solomon's reporting on Burisma, Hunter Biden, and Ukraine election meddling has become inconvenient for the Democratic narrative, and so the media is furiously smearing and libeling.

Solomon.

It's crazy that here we had Solomon on all these times, and he was just like given good reporting, and now all of a sudden he's the focus of this impeachment here.

Yeah.

It's incredible.

And he's been on with us for over a year on this and been going back and forth.

He is such an honest guy.

He really has done his reporting.

He's not some political hack.

He worked for the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Associated Press for 20 years.

And now they're just slaughtering him.

So now that Solomon's reporting is a problem for the Democrats, it's a problem for the media as well.

Amen.

I'd like to submit for the record John Solomon's October 31st story entitled Debunking Some of Ukraine's Scandal Myths About Biden and Election Interference.

I encourage viewers today to read this story and draw your own conclusions about the evidence Solomon has gathered.

2017 article.

Ask unanimous consent that we put this into the record, Mr.

Chair, without objection.

All right, now they're going to get to they're going to get to this next.

We're going to hear from

several people today.

Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vinman, this is the guy that we've already heard from somewhat in closed-door testimony.

He was told on July 10th that the meeting with Zelensky at the White House was conditioned on them opening an investigation into the Bidens.

He said the message was delivered to Ukraine by Gordon Sondlin.

Sondlin said he was directed to deliver the message by Mick Mulvaney.

He also testified that Rudy Giuliani's involvement undermined U.S.

government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.

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A circle what?

All right, welcome to the program.

We have now a Pence aide,

and she is now delivering her opening statement to the hearing.

Let's listen in.

I also informed the NSC that the Vice President would not be attending so that it could identify a head of delegation to represent the United States at President-elect Zelensky's inauguration.

On July 3rd, I learned that the Office of Management and Budget had placed a hold on a tranche of security assistance designated for Ukraine.

According to the information I received, OMB was reviewing whether the funding was aligned with the administration's priorities.

I subsequently attended meetings of the Policy Coordination Committee where the hold on Ukrainian security assistance was discussed.

During those meetings, representatives of the state and defense departments advocated that the hold should be lifted, and OMB representatives reported that the White House Chief of Staff had directed that the hold should remain in place.

On September 11th, I learned that the hold on security assistance for Ukraine had been released.

I have never learned what prompted that decision.

On July 25th, along with several of my colleagues, I listened to a call between President Trump and President Zelensky, the content of which has since been during my closed-door deposition, members of the committee asked about my personal views and whether I had any concerns about the July 25th call.

As I testified then, I found the July 25th phone call unusual because in contrast to other presidential calls I had observed, it involved discussion of what appeared to be a domestic political matter.

After the July 25th call, I provided an update in the Vice President's daily briefing book indicating that President Trump had a call that day with President Zelensky.

A hard copy of the memorandum transcribing the call was also included in the book.

I do not know whether the Vice President reviewed my update or the transcript.

I did not discuss the July 25th call with the Vice President or any of my colleagues in the Office of the Vice President or the NSC.

On August 29th, I learned that the Vice President would be traveling to Poland to meet with President Zelensky on September 1st.

At the September 1st meeting, which I attended, President Zelensky asked the Vice President about news articles reporting a hold on U.S.

security assistance for Ukraine.

The Vice President responded that Ukraine had the United States' unwavering support and promised to relay their conversation to President Trump that night.

During the September 1st meeting, neither the Vice President nor President Zelensky mentioned the specific investigations discussed during the July 25th phone call.

Thank you again for the opportunity to provide this statement.

I'd be happy to answer any questions.

Now we go to Lieutenant Colonel Vincent.

Thank you for the opportunity to address the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence with respect to the activities relating to Ukraine and my role in the events under investigation.

I have dedicated my entire professional life to the United States of America.

For more than two decades, it has been my honor to serve as an officer in the United States Army.

As an infantry officer, I served multiple overseas tours, including South Korea and Germany, and I was deployed to Iraq for combat operations.

Since 2008, I have been a foreign area officer specializing in European and Eurasian political and military affairs.

I served in the United States embassies in Kiev, Ukraine, and Moscow, Russia.

In Washington, D.C., I was the political military affairs officer for Russia for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, where I drafted the Armed Forces Global Campaign Plan to counter Russian aggression and Russian malign influence.

In July 2018, I was asked to serve at the White House National Security Council.

At the NSC, I'm the principal advisor to the National Security Advisor on Ukraine and other countries in my portfolio.

My role at the NSC is to develop, coordinate, and implement plans and policies to manage the full range of diplomatic, informational, military, and economic national security issues.

the countries in my portfolio.

My core function is to coordinate policy with departments and agencies.

The committee has heard from many of my colleagues about the strategic importance of Ukraine as a bulwark against Russian aggression.

It is important to note that our country's policy of supporting Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity, promoting Ukrainian prosperity, and strengthening a free and democratic Ukraine as a counter to Russian aggression has been a consistent, bipartisan foreign policy objective and strategy across various administrations, both Democratic and Republican, and that President Zelensky's election in April 2019 created an unprecedented opportunity to realize our

strategic objectives.

In the spring of 2019, I became aware of two disruptive actors, primarily Ukraine's then prosecutor Yuri Litsenko and former Mayor Rudolf Giuliani, President's personal attorney, promoting false narratives that undermined the United States' Ukraine policy.

The NSC and its interagency partners, including the State Department, grew increasingly concerned about the impact that such information was having on our country's ability to achieve our national security objectives.

On April 21st, 2019, Vladimir Zelensky was elected President of Ukraine in a landslide victory on a unity, reform, and anti-corruption platform.

President Trump called President Zelensky on April 21st, 2019 to congratulate him on his victory.

I was the staff officer who produced the call materials and was one of the staff officers who listened to the call.

The call was positive, and President Trump expressed his desire to work with President Zielinski and extended an invitation to visit the White House.

In May, I attended the inauguration of President Zielinski as part of the presidential delegation led by Secretary Perry.

Following the visit, the members of the delegation provided President Trump a debriefing offering a positive assessment of President Zielinski and his team.

After this debriefing, President Trump signed a congratulatory letter to President

Zielinski and extended another invitation to visit the White House.

On July 10, 2019, Alexander Donyaluk, then Ukraine's national security advisor, visited Washington.

From either of them with National Security Advisor Bolton.

No.

Ambassador Volcker and Sondlin, Ambassadors Volcker and Sandlin, and Secretary Rick Perry also attended the meeting I attended with Dr.

Hill.

We fully anticipated that the Ukrainians would raise the issue of a meeting between the presidents.

Ambassador Bolton cut the meeting short when Ambassador Sonlin started to speak about the requirement that Ukraine deliver specific investigations in order to secure the meeting with President Trump.

Following this meeting, there was a short debriefing during which Ambassador Sonlin emphasized the importance of Ukraine delivering the investigations into the 2016 elections, the Bidens, and Burisma.

I stated to Ambassador Sonlin that this was inappropriate and had nothing to do with national security.

Dr.

Remember that Bolton is also, I believe, a deep state kind of guy.

Not a deep state Obama kind of guy,

but a deep state

kind of guy on the right.

President Zelensky won a parliamentary election in another landslide victory.

The NSC proposed that President Trump call President Zielinski to congratulate him.

On July 25th, 2019, the call occurred.

I listened

on the call in the situation room with White House colleagues.

I was concerned by the call.

What I heard was inappropriate, and I reported my concerns to Mr.

Eisenberg.

It is improper for the President of the United States to demand a foreign government investigate a U.S.

citizen and a political opponent.

I was also clear that if Ukraine pursued an investigation,

it was also clear that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the 2016 elections, the Bidens and Burisma, it would be interpreted as a partisan play.

This would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing bipartisan support, undermining U.S.

national security, and investing investing Russia's.

Can I ask a question on this, first of all?

That's not all he was asking to investigate.

He was asking to investigate, even if it was, let's just say it was,

you're investigating the vice president and his son,

who was paid millions of dollars for no reason while the father was distributing funds to that country for the industry that the son was just in.

That's bad corruption.

By the way, those funds were all lost.

we have $7 billion that just disappeared.

And the target of this investigation was the main competition to the company Joe Biden's son was working for.

Correct.

what exactly is the problem here asking for that?

Yes, he happened to have been running for the president

as the president's opponent.

Not yet.

Not yet, but would be.

So, yes, there was an added benefit there, but

we were talking about this being investigated before Trump got into office.

You know, these things should have been investigated before, but we know why they weren't, because of the deep state.

The other thing is,

when they say they didn't want to bring this up, you know, they didn't want Trump investigating this stuff because it would be such, it would be seen as bipartisan, I mean,

partisan.

And the bipartisan agreement on Ukraine would go away.

Wool.

What's happening now?

Hey, what's this?

This is what it is.

They're very much now involved in political disputes in the United States.

Right.

I mean, all the stuff that they said they wanted to stop, they're now testifying on behalf of.

And everything that they said Donald Trump was doing, they're doing.

And this idea that you can't

investigate a political opponent because they're a political opponent.

What are Democrats doing right now, would you say?

Are they investigating President Trump?

Should President Trump be immune from all investigation because he's the political opponent of the Democrats?

Like, no.

That's why this being so partisan is so bad.

Because there's, there's,

if this were true, if this was, if this was a legitimate inquiry,

it would be okay.

If it was a legitimate inquiry into Russia,

but it wasn't, as we found out, I was for the inquiry into Russia, and I didn't think that Trump did anything.

I would like to know if he did.

And I did think that Trump would have liked to do something.

You know, anybody, Hillary Clinton, everyone, if somebody comes to you and says, hey, I, by the way, I've got the dirt on is going to take him out.

I think every politician under the sun is having that meeting, and they want something to happen.

At least they're having some aid off the record.

Somehow or another, they're taking that meeting.

So, you know, let's not be so high and mighty here.

However, if he had done that and he was colluding with Russia, I would have been all for the impeachment, all for it.

But

as we come to find out, that's not what was happening.

This was a partisan investigation into him.

This is a partisan investigation into him now.

If you were going to do it fairly, openly, and you were actually looking for honest answers, this is great.

But this is using tens of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions of dollars, for what?

To discredit the president of the United States who's running for re-election.

Which is the same thing they're investigating Trump

for doing, right?

Like it's hilarious.

They're legitimately doing the same thing.

Yeah.

The same thing.

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Well, I don't know.

I mean, we're just debating.

We have so many things to go on that we have to cover today.

We have Adam Schiff.

He's about to start asking questions.

We also have Fartgate

that is happening.

We need a fart investigation on this because I don't know if I buy the media spit on it.

You know, there's too much conflicting information.

Can we please play Eric Swalwell being interviewed by Chris Matthews yesterday?

This audio is real.

Taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.

And the complaint that I've heard from Republicans to help him cheat an election.

And the complaint that I've heard.

I mean, his shoulders go up.

Yeah.

I mean, there's a physical reaction visually that you get.

And he pauses.

Now, Chris Matthews says that's just a coffee cup coming across the table.

Let's listen to it with thinking about a coffee cup.

Could it be a coffee cup?

Taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help them cheat an election.

And the complaint that I've heard from a platform could be, maybe?

I don't know.

Maybe it could be.

We should try to recreate.

I have a coffee cup here.

Well, you gotta take the

pens out of it.

You might need some liquid.

Do you have any liquid you can put in that thing?

Well, I gotta get all the

this table's too smooth, I think.

Yeah, it is.

Well, what kind of

I mean, they're getting no, you're getting no friction at all on this table.

What kind of, play that again?

What kind of table does that have to do?

Taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help them cheat an election.

And the complaint that I've heard.

Chris Matthews is the one who said it.

I don't think that there would be a problem believing that Chris Matthews has bad gas problems.

Well, and there's an indication, I mean, this goes back historically to whoever smelt it dealt it.

Correct.

Now, is that hearsay?

Do you have first-hand knowledge of he who smelt it dealt it?

Or is this...

I mean, I...

I mean, hearsay, don't get me wrong.

hearsay is as good as

gold, as good as gold, as any first-hand I was there, eyewitness kind of stuff.

Here's the thing:

to me, it while it does sort of look like Swallow farts there, I don't know that the audio fits it.

There's not, it's an he's in an echoey room.

He's supposedly wearing a lapel mic, which would not indicate like it's too far away from his butt for the, for the, the air to be that clear.

Play it one more time.

Taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.

And the complexity of the city is a good idea.

It seems to me more like Chris Matthews ripped one in the studio and he's trying to hide it.

I don't know, but our investigation, it'll go into tens of millions of dollars, and we'll spend about three years on Fartgate as we look into what's in Swalwell's pants and what did Chris Matthews know and when did he know it?

You're listening to Glenn Beck.

I prefer not to look at what's in Swalwell's pants myself, but that's up, you know, as I spoke to you.

It might be a separate investigation.

I mean, I'm not interested either, but I got to get to the facts.

Do we have to take, do we have to take all the stuff that they're testifying?

I mean, really?

We can drop in and out.

Yeah, drop in and out.

We have Selena Zito on, who wrote an article yesterday, and

I'm more interested in how this is affecting people.

And Selena is really the one that she wrote the book, The Great Revolt.

She was the one who nailed the Trump election, and everybody celebrated her.

But now that she's saying, Yeah, I think it might kind of happen the same way,

you know, nobody wants to talk about it.

She's got a great story that she wrote yesterday.

We're going to talk to her about what effect is happening in America on voters.

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She is a reporter and one of the best listeners, I think, in the country.

She actually is the one who called the last election really spot on, spot on, and I I think she's doing it again.

Selena, welcome to the program.

Hey, thanks so much for having me on.

Nice to talk to you, Glenn.

Good to talk to you.

I know your book is, is it out in paperback yet?

Yeah, it just came out in paperback this week with

an update, an afterword that explains what happened in 2018, why that matters, what it tells us, and what we should continue to look for for 2020.

Gives you an understanding.

Yeah.

I'm reading some of the stuff that you have written recently and yesterday you

have the new phase of the Great Revolt.

And

as I'm reading it last night, I'm gathering that

what people did in the

congressional and state elections here recently, we should not necessarily take that to mean anything for the presidential election.

And then that's absolutely right.

Let's take the Kentucky governor's race for a moment.

If anybody understood Kentucky or ever went there in the national press, they wouldn't be writing, oh, it's all over because the Republican Kentucky governor lost.

I spent a lot of time in Kentucky.

Matt Bevan was not very popular.

The point of view of him by the people who live there is that he was a carpetbagger.

You know, he didn't understand Kentucky culture.

And he made a lot of series of

successive out-of-touch decisions

about his state.

And governor's races are about being connected to the people.

And he did not demonstrate that he was.

And if you look down ballot, Republicans not only won hugely like in the Secretary of State race or the Attorney General race, but also they gained seats

in the Senate and in the House.

So I think that that saying, oh, this means Republicans don't want Trump, no, it meant that Kentucky voters were unsatisfied with Matt Bevin.

All right, so

we're watching the impeachment today, and I think it's just hardening people's positions.

There's nothing new here as we're watching.

There's no smoking gun.

People who are against Donald Trump are so against him they'll do anything to get him out.

For those who are really even fence sitters on Donald Trump, I think they look at this and say, this is not ⁇ this doesn't even make sense to me.

And I think it hardens people on which way they were leaning.

It's absolutely correct.

And I'll tell you what it reminds me of.

Do you remember when Scott Walker won the governor's race in 2010 and then there was a recall election

because you know the people who lost were unhappy.

Essentially, that's what it was.

And he came back and won that with higher percentage because people who didn't even vote for him thought, you know what, this is bogus.

This is sore loserism.

And I'm going to vote for him because I think the behavior of the Democrats is wrong.

And I'm finding a lot of that sentiment

among Trump skeptics who don't particularly care for his comportment, which, by the way, is probably 70% of Trump voters.

They don't care for his comportment.

They like the results.

They also understand that you need to be a mean SOB to

sort of break up the swamp's behavior and the establishment behavior on both sides to make effective change.

I will tell you, Selena, I said this, I mean, we talked right after, I said this right at the beginning.

If you want to be effective and actually go against Donald Trump, you can't just throw everything

at him.

They started from the beginning and it drove it drove people.

I mean,

when I put the MAGA hat on, I don't know, about a year or two ago, mine was not a full-throated endorsement of Donald Trump because I like many of his policies.

For instance, side note, Your Honor, just what he did with Israel just yesterday.

I like many of his policies, but he is so hard to defend

because of the way he just is.

But you know what?

The way they're taking him on in Congress, through the State Department, and in the media, God bless him.

Just keep going, Donald.

Just keep going.

It's a sentiment shared by

people.

And here's what really always gets under my skin.

Go ahead.

Is that the people in my profession don't understand that sentiment.

And you know why?

Because they live in the super zip codes of this country

and they don't know anyone who thinks or looks or acts the way that people do outside of those super zip codes.

They control the media, they control entertainment, they control sports, they control corporations, and this populist coalition has been building for over 12 years.

Donald Trump didn't cause it.

He is the result of it.

And the important thing about the Great Revolt is this continues long after 2020.

This coalition is not going away for at least a generation.

What I would tell people to do is everyone in my profession says, oh, it's all up to the suburbs.

That's right, but not all suburbs are created equal.

Suburban voter in Erie County, Pennsylvania, or Kenosha, Wisconsin, or Baldwin, Michigan, or McCone County, Michigan

does not

look, act, or behave the same way a suburban voter in Philadelphia or Northern Virginia behaves and votes.

Those are the voters who are going to make a difference.

They have the exact same education that their cousins have have in Northern Virginia and Philadelphia, but they live among a variety of different

viewpoints.

And they are connected and rooted to community, where voters in

like Northern Virginia are very transient.

They aren't rooted to their community.

Community doesn't mean the same thing.

And voting for Donald Trump is about community and localism.

And I have to tell you,

and I would love to hear you respond to this, Selena.

As I travel around,

I just have this sense that there's a lot of people that would have voted for another candidate that wasn't corrupt and wasn't a hardcore socialist

or even hanging around all the socialists.

I think there's a lot of people who are Democrats, who are blue-collar, et cetera, et cetera, who may not like Donald Trump, but will vote for him because they feel like the Democratic Party has left the building and they have left the insane socialists in charge.

Yes, that's absolutely true.

All you have to do is keep your eye on Western Pennsylvania throughout this whole process.

Most of the candidates on the Democratic side that are running said they believe in a ban on fracking on day one.

Well, let me tell you, Western Pennsylvania, Eastern Ohio, also Texas, Colorado, Kansas, North Dakota, these are areas that are thriving

because of

the shale industry.

Lives and communities are being changed because they are now prosperous again.

And so to ban it is to take, how are you going to sort of, it's a voluntary choice, right?

I've got Trump, who I like his policies, don't like his personality.

I've got the Democrats, oh, they want to take my job away on the day they're sworn in.

I think I'll go with the guy with the weird Twitter account because at least he has my back.

And a Democrat cannot win the White House without winning Pennsylvania.

A Republican can.

And a Democrat cannot win Pennsylvania without winning Western Pennsylvania.

that's why you have to keep an eye on those areas because that's where those sentiments will be reflected any time someone visits there and they will understand

why Trump, if it was held tomorrow, he would win the election.

And that's hard for for people who live out,

live in either the East Coast or the West Coast

to understand because they don't know anybody else in the middle.

Remember this.

This is in the Great Revolt.

34% of Trump voters in 2016, which right now seems like the Ozzy and Harriet Hour era because it seems nicer than it was today.

34% of Trump voters did not tell a family member or friend that they were voting for him.

34%.

That was in 2016.

I mean, I can't even, my mind just can't even wrap around how people would,

how they're going to approach it now, given the intensity of the cancel culture.

You know, I mean, you say you're going to vote for Trump, you have to worry about losing your job or affecting the people that work for you or affecting your family or affecting your social status.

How is the impeachment affecting all of

You had it absolutely right.

If you love Trump and on Election Day 2016, you're still optimistic about the future.

But

what about those swing people,

the people that are,

you know,

they don't necessarily like that they are voting for a Republican, let alone Donald Trump.

What about those people who voted for him last time?

Has this made any impact on them?

None.

Zero.

I have a story coming out about that in the New York Post on Sunday.

I went back to the people in the book, people that were skeptical, people that had a hard time,

you know, and people who supported him outright, but had reservations.

It's Groundhog Day.

Nothing has changed.

Their support for him has only gotten stronger.

Because they look at this and say, you know, they've been trying to impeach him since day one.

They just finally found something they think can make stick, but

they're watching this intensely.

Like, there's no they're there.

I mean,

in their minds, they think

this is not an impeachable offense.

This is something that someone does who's not part of the Washington system, and this is how they behave.

This is how Trump always behaves.

What about those Democrats who vote for Democrats, but they are afraid of the socialist movement of the Democrat?

Will they just sit it out, or will they they vote for the socialist Democrat or a Democrat?

No, they won't vote for the Socialist Democrat.

They'll either sit it out or they'll hold their nose and vote for Trump.

That's why I keep my eye on Minnesota as well.

That's a state he only lost by 45,000 votes, and I just spent some time there.

And you see the swing towards him

in that state, and that broadens his coalition.

That doesn't add add to shrinking his coalition.

I've heard talk from some people that they believe that this could be a Reagan-Mondale election.

I don't think it'd be that strong, but do you think there is a chance that

it's not anything like we're expecting?

If the Democrats go too crazy on this impeachment, which have already shown that they

have no problem doing, and they pick someone very far left, such as Elizabeth Warren or Pete Gutic,

then yeah, you would see a landslide.

Absolutely.

All right.

With no doubt in my mind.

Selena, thank you so much.

The name of the book is The Great Revolt.

I'm anxious to see your next article and get the update to your book.

Selena is the one who really listened to people

and was the one who finally really, just listening to her, explained it to me.

And I was like, oh my gosh, I get it.

It's called The Great Revolt

by her and and Brad Todd, who also is instrumental in putting this together.

It's out in paperback now.

Selena, thank you so much.

Thanks so much for having me.

You bet.

God bless.

All right.

We have, you know, it's interesting because

I seem to recall, Stu, don't you, that

when you have hearings like this, don't you have the

one side ask a question, then the other side ask a question, then your side asks a question.

That's an interesting approach.

Yeah, they've decided to do this a little differently.

They seem to be asking all of their questions, and then they break for afternoon when everybody is gone, and then they let you ask your questions in the afternoon.

So you don't really get any of the other side at the same time, which is I've not seen before and is so slanted.

By the way, they have five people

to testify.

Three of them are the ones that the Republicans wanted.

That's why you have two this morning, and then later this afternoon and into the evening when no one is watching is when the Democrats are going to allow the Republicans to have their people testify.

I mean, look, they control the process.

That's incredible.

I mean, it's the way it's set up.

It's in the Constitution that way.

They can kind of do it however they want.

However, if they actually wanted to convince the American people that this was going on and they believed in their case, wouldn't they try to be more fair?

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So I don't know, Stu, who

are the

who are the Democrats going to have to run?

I mean, it must be Joe Biden.

I mean,

this doesn't seem to be affecting him yet.

But if the president does go and he's not going to testify now with these hearings, but if they take this up in the Senate and they actually have a real trial where you can call the whistleblower, et cetera, et cetera, this is going to destroy Joe Biden.

Just destroy him.

And then who are you left with?

Well, Mayor Pete is there for you.

Mayor Pete now leading in Iowa, Iowa, according to the most recent poll there by the Des Moines Register, one of the top-rated pollsters in the country.

He is up by eight or ten points there.

And Budicie, you know, I know Selena mentioned him as a far-left candidate, which, of course, I would fully agree with.

But he is not positioning himself that way in the primary.

He is trying to say he is the moderate option.

But people are not going to believe it.

People are not going to buy that in the general.

They just won't believe it in the general.

I really don't think so.

Well, he's trying to, he's trying to give, I mean, remember, this is, we were talking about Chick-fil-A today.

This is a guy who came out kind of famously and said, yeah, I'm gay, but I still like Chick-fil-A.

Like, he's trying to position himself there.

And, you know, he's from the Midwest.

He's from this region that

Trump won the election in.

I mean, he is, this is.

He's not real successful in his little team.

I'm not making an argument for Buddhists.

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By any means for you to vote for him.

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We have an NSC official, Pence aide, testifying in the public hearing today.

And Nunez is now talking to Ms.

Williams, so let's listen to his cross-examination here.

Until.

You prepared for this hearing?

Until others have been testifying in more detail on those issues.

That's correct.

And you've been following it more closely.

Correct.

Did you know that Burisma's American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Vice President Biden forced the firing of the country's chief prosecutor?

Again, sir, I was not working on Ukraine policy during that time.

And none of these are trick questions.

I'm just trying to get through them.

I understand.

Did you know that Burisma lawyers pressured the State Department in February 2016 after the raid and a month before the firing of Shokin, and that they invoked Hunter Biden's name as a reason to intervene.

I was not aware.

Does you know that Joe Biden called Ukrainian President Porschenko at least three times in February 2016 after the president and owner of Burisma's home was raided on February 2nd by the state prosecutor's office?

Not at the time.

Again, I've become aware of that through this proceeding.

Thank you, Ms.

Williams.

Lieutenant Colonel Vineman, I'm going to ask you the same questions, just to establish some basic facts about your knowledge about Ukraine, Burisma, and the role of the Bidens.

In September 2015, U.S.

Ambassador to Ukraine, Jeffrey Pyatt, publicly called for an investigation into Slashewski, the president of Burisma.

Were you aware of these public statements?

I wasn't aware of them at the time.

When did you become aware of them?

During the course of the testimony and the depositions this impeachment inquiry began.

Did you know of anti-Trump efforts by various Ukrainian government officials as well as Alexander Chalupa, a DNC consultant?

I'm not aware of any

of these interference efforts.

Did you know about Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kent's concerns about potential conflict of interest with Hunter Biden sitting on the board of Burisma?

The only thing I'm aware of

pertains to his deposition.

As you know, that financial records show a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma, routed more than $3 million to the American accounts tied to Hunter Biden.

I'm not aware of this fact.

Until recently.

I guess I didn't independently look into it.

I'm just not aware of

what kind of payments Mr.

Biden may have received.

This is not something I'm aware of.

You know that Burisma's American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Vice President Biden forced the firing of the country's chief prosecutor?

I'm not aware of these meetings.

Did you know that Burisma lawyers pressured the State Department in February 2016 after the raid and a month before the firing of Shokin that they invoked Hunter Biden's name as a reason to intervene?

I'm not aware of any of these facts.

Did you know that Joe Biden called Ukrainian President Porchenko at least three times in February 2016 after the president and owner of Brisma's home was raided on February 2nd by the state prosecutor's office.

I'm aware of the fact that President Biden, or Vice President Biden, was very engaged on Ukraine and had numerous engagements.

That's what I'm aware of.

Ms.

Williams and Lieutenant Colonel Vineman, as you may or may not know, this committee has spent nearly three years conducting various investigations, starting with the Russia collusion hoax, FISA abuse, Democratic hysteria over the lack of collusion in the Mueller report, and now this impeachment charade.

One of the most concerning things regarding all of these investigations is the amount of classified or otherwise sensitive information I read in the press that derive either from this committee or sources in the administration.

To be clear, I'm not accusing either one of you of leaking information.

However, given that you are the first witnesses who actually have some first-hand knowledge of the President's call by listening in on July 25th, it's imperative to the American public's understanding of the events that we get a quick matters out of the way few matters out of the way first.

Ms.

Williams, let me just go to you first.

For the purposes of the following questions, I'm only asking about the time period between from July 25th to September 25th.

Okay.

Did you discuss the July 25th phone call between President Trump and President Zelensky or any matters associated with the phone call with any members of the press?

No.

To be clear, you never discussed these matters with the New York Times, the Washington Post, Politico, CNN, or any other media outlet?

No, I did not.

Did you ask or encourage any individual to share the substance of the July 25th phone call or any matter associated with the call with any

member of the press?

I did not.

Do you know of any individual who discussed the substance of the July 25th phone call or matter associated with the call with any member of the press?

No, I do not.

Lieutenant Colonel Vineman, same

questions for you.

Did you discuss the July 25th phone call between President Trump and President Zelensky or any matter associated with the phone call with any member of the press?

I did not.

Just to be clear, you did not discuss this with the New York Times, the Washington Post, Politico, CNN, or any other media outlet?

I did not.

Did you ask or encourage any individual to share the substance of the July 25th phone call or any matter associated with the call with any member of the press?

I did not.

Do you know of any individual who discussed the substance of the July 25th phone call or any matter associated with the call with any member of the press.

We have an NSC press shop and they field any of these types of questions.

I do not engage with the press at all.

Let me ask the question again.

Do you know of any individual who discussed the substance of the July 25th phone call or any matter associated with the call with any member of the press?

We have an NSC press shop.

whose job is to engage on any of these types of questions.

I am not aware, but it is possible and likely that the press shop would have had, would field these types of questions.

Right, but the question is.

The question is: do you know any individual, do you personally know any individual who discussed the substance of the July 25th phone call or any matter associated with the call with any member of the press?

Thank you, Ranking Member, for clarifying.

I do not.

Thank you.

Ms.

Williams, did you discuss the July 25th phone call with anyone outside the White House on July 25th or July 26th?

And if so, with whom?

No, I did not discuss the call with anyone outside or inside the White House.

Ms.

Williams, during your time on the NSC, have you ever accessed a colleague's work computer without their prior authorization or approval?

I have not.

Just to clarify, I'm in the office of the Vice President, so not on the NSC.

Right, but representing the- No, I have not.

Thank you for that clarification.

By the way, I just want to just run with this because you will not see any of this stuff on TV tonight.

If so, with whom?

Yes, I did.

My core function is to coordinate U.S.

government policy, interagency policy, and I spoke to two individuals with regards to providing

some sort of readout of the call.

Two individuals that were not in the White House.

Not in the White House.

Cleared U.S.

government officials with

appropriate need to know.

And what agencies were these officials with?

Department of State,

Department of State, Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent, who is responsible for the portfolio, Eastern Europe, including Ukraine, and an individual from the Office of

an individual in the intelligence community.

What, as you know, the intelligence community has 17 different agencies.

What agency was this individual from?

If I could interject here,

we don't want to use these proceedings.

It's our time,

but we need to protect the whistleblower.

If...

Please stop.

I want to make sure that there's no effort to out the whistleblower through the use of these proceedings.

If the witness, as a good faith, belief that this may reveal the identity of the whistleblower, that is not the purpose that we are here for, and I want to advise the witness accordingly.

Unbelievable.

Mr.

Vinman, you testified in your deposition that you did not know the whistleblower.

Rank Member, Lieutenant Colonel Vinman, please.

Lieutenant Colonel Vinman, you testified in the deposition that you did not know

who the whistleblower was.

So how is it possible for you to name these people and then

out the whistleblower?

Per the advice of my counsel, I've been advised not to answer specific questions about members of the intelligence community.

Are you aware that this is the intelligence committee that's conducting an impeachment hearing?

Of course I am.

Wouldn't the appropriate place for you to to come to to testify would be the intelligence committee about someone within the intelligence community?

Ranking member, per the advice of my council and the instructions from the chairman, I've been advised not to provide any specifics on who I have spoken to within the intelligence community.

What I can offer is that these were properly cleared individuals or was a properly cleared individual with a need to know.

Well, this is,

I Mean you can really you can plead the fifth but you're here to answer questions and you're here under subpoena

So you can either answer the question or you can plead the fifth

excuse me

on behalf of my client we are following the rule of the committee rule of the chair with regard to this issue and this does not call for an answer that is invoking the fifth or any theoretical issue like that.

We're following the ruling of the chair.

What counselor, what ruling is that?

I could interject.

Counsel is correct.

Whistleblower has the right, statutory right to anonymity.

These proceedings will not be used to out the whistleblower.

And I've advised my client accordingly, and he's going to follow the ruling of the chair.

If there's an alternative or you want to work something out with the chair, that's up to you, Mr.

Newman.

Well, we've attempted to subpoena the the whistleblower to sit for a deposition.

The chair has tabled that motion and then has been unwilling to recognize those motions over the last few days of this impeachment inquisition process.

Well, that I'll go to Mr.

Castro.

Thank you, Ranking Member News.

Notice he uses the word inquisition, and he's absolutely right on this.

This is an inquisition where you don't have a right to face your accuser.

You don't have a right to to know all of the information.

This is the intelligence committee.

And for the intelligence officers

to not answer to the intelligence committee

on what was happening in the intelligence community, there is no oversight.

It makes not only the State Department not have to answer to the President of the United States for foreign policy, but now this kind of behavior makes the intelligence community not have to answer to the intelligence committee.

Who's responsible for anything anymore?

Inquisition Hearings Day 3: NOTHING Is Consistent! | Guest: Salena Zito | 11/19/19

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