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I am sitting in

a very historic home.

I am sitting in the Leyden home

in

Plymouth, Massachusetts.

And Plymouth is this amazing town that I've never been to.

And I came here Saturday

and

it was a long trip this weekend because I stopped somewhere else that we'll talk about later.

But I

got here Saturday, and it's such a strange place because everywhere you look, everywhere you look, something really important happened.

In this home that I'm sitting in,

this is where the first peace treaty happened,

the first peace treaty with the Native Americans.

The first election in America happened in this room.

This is called plot number one,

and it's the first street in America and the first home in America.

Right out

across the street,

looking out the windows, I can see Plymouth Rock from here.

It's literally a stone throws away from Plymouth Rock.

It is right on the water, and the front yard is where they think the first Thanksgiving actually happened.

Kind of a historic place.

Next hour, I want to talk to you

about

the pilgrims

and what isn't being taught anymore.

This is...

This town is,

I think, like the rest of America, except on steroids.

Because the people who are here, who know the truth about the pilgrims, are on fire.

It is

this group of people up here that are holding down the fort for the pilgrims are truly remarkable people.

I haven't been around people like this in a very long time that really, really know history, know what they've been called to do, have a plan, and are doing it, and are so filled with love for other people, and it's working.

There's the other side of town that either just doesn't care maybe you've lived here for a long time and you know

I've seen it all and whatever yada yada yada pilgrims

or they are really standing in the way of telling the truth about the pilgrims

One of the guys who I was with who we'll talk about a little later was

was actually in Holland.

He came here from Holland because he was doing some research on the pilgrims and trying to get a reason from the Pilgrim Museum, which I think is like a phone booth

from where they launched.

And

there's one guy who was like, oh my gosh, somebody just ring the bell.

They came in.

They want to hear about the pilgrims.

And so he went over there and he was asking their experts, why did the pilgrims come come here

and the answers are crazy truly truly crazy well because there was an economic recession coming over oh

oh so it's to escape an economic recession they decided to go to a place to where they thought they could be

scalped and eaten oh okay that makes sense I know that's that's the first thing I do.

Hey, there might be a recession.

Let's get on to a rickety, leaking boat and cross the ocean,

you know, where half of us are probably going to die because that's the way it is.

It's not exactly, you know, a nice tour ship that you're going on.

And then we're going to go to a place where there's Native Americans and they usually kill all of the people that are on the ship.

But at least we won't experience that recession.

Why did they come here?

And what has been lost?

And why is Thanksgiving so important?

And what are the people here doing?

They are holding the fort, and they're actually making progress here.

So we'll get into that here in a little while and tell you

something that I have felt for a while now I

was supposed to do.

And so we are going to be doing that.

And it involves next summer, but it's really a year-long event, and we'll talk about that coming up in just a little while.

Pat Gray is joining us because Stu is faking an illness, I think.

He works less than Johnny Carson used to work when he was doing the show.

And so, Pat, welcome to the program.

How are you?

Thank you.

Good.

I'm going to start calling, I'm going to start saying that Stu is filling in for Pat

shortly.

A couple of things, Pat.

First of all,

Nancy Pelosi, I think has, I think they've, I think all of the Republicans on this impeachment hearing have really lost it.

I don't think they even know what reality is anymore.

Nancy Pelosi

is now saying that Trump withheld the money from Ukraine for Putin.

Could we play this audio, please?

Listen to this.

So

for a long time, just until what, the 24th of September, was when I called for a fuller expansion.

The inquiry was going on, but to proceed with the inquiry, and that kind of changed our communication until that day in the room when I said, all roads, Mr.

President, with you lead to Putin.

Whether it's giving them a stronger foothold in the Middle East by what you did with Turkey and Syria, or what you did by withholding a grant, withholding aid to military assistance voted by Congress to Ukraine to the benefit of Putin.

11,000, more than like 13,000 by now, Ukrainians have died at the hands of the Russians.

They needed that military aid.

And with his disparaging remarks about NATO and questioning our commitment to NATO, that's to Putin's advantage.

So

we do have, shall we say, a candid relationship?

Wow.

I don't think I've ever heard anything so dishonest.

First of all, Nancy,

the aid was given.

In fact, he sold what they were asking for.

They were asking for more of because the president had already sold them those weapons.

And those weapon systems they had been begging for.

But it was the Democrats under Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and yes, you, you, Nancy Pelosi, that refused to sell them any of those weapons.

So for her to say that, you know, look, he's just trying to help the Russians, he hurt the Russians here.

His policies towards Russia, not his language, his policies towards Russia are much more fierce than anything that the Resset team was trying to do with Vladimir Putin.

And when it comes to Ukraine, he actually has armed them against Russia, and the Democrats did not.

That's all part of trying to make Trump seem like a Russian agent.

They're still trying to do that.

They're still trying to make it

look.

They're trying to make the American people believe that Donald Trump is a Russian asset.

It's so dishonest.

It is, it's so

almost treason-ish.

It's almost treason.

So Giancarlo Sopo, he wrote for the Blaze this weekend, leak focus groups.

Results,

they reveal the Democrats' impeaching messaging plans, weak legal case.

Did you read this article?

No.

So he says,

what happened to quid pro quo?

As political observers noticed this week, the Democrats have a new messaging strategy in their impeachment inquiry of President Trump, accuse him of bribery.

The shift came after a focus group in

battleground states by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee showed that voters were less receptive to the Latin legal term quid pro quo.

They preferred the charge of bribery over quid pro quo.

The latter, according to the sources familiar with the focus group, likelier to persuade swing voters.

So they changed it from quid pro quo just based on a focus group.

What can we use to get this guy?

As the Washington Post

points out, the House Intelligence Committee member Jim Hines, Democrat from

Connecticut, was the first to announce the Democrats' intentions to retire quid pro quo during an appearance on Meet the Press.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi began accusing Trump of bribery during the press conference on Thursday, talking Latin around here, e pluris unum for many, one, quid pro quo, bribery and all that, is in the Constitution and attached to the impeachment hearing, she said.

She noted a likely reason why Democrats had replaced quid pro quo with bribery is that the latter is one of the two crimes cited in the Constitution.

Again, not true.

The reason why they decided to change that is because people understood that and thought it was worse than quid pro quo.

Post also noticed that even Heinz recognizes that while bribery may be a political useful term for the Democrats, it's also

imprecise to describe the allegations.

Abuse of power is not necessarily a concept that most Americans run around thinking about.

In this case, the abuse of power was the same combination of bribery and extortion.

It's also unclear what Democrats argue is the alleged bribe in question, since Democrats don't have any witnesses with direct knowledge of Trump's state of mind during his dealings with Ukraine.

Republicans were quick to point out the change in messaging underscores that Democrats don't have a compelling legal case against the president.

They're just trying different narratives to see what would work.

And that brings me back to what Nancy Pelosi just said and what Pat said.

They're just doing everything they can.

They're throwing spaghetti up into the wall to see what sticks.

They don't have anything.

They have quid pro quo doesn't work.

Bribery doesn't work.

He's a Russian agent doesn't work.

When is America going to wake up to this?

If you look at the, what's the definition of bribery?

Persuade someone to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.

Well, so you have to get something for it.

What did we get for the money we gave them?

Nothing.

They never did the investigation.

Even the guy who was supposedly bribed has said over and over again, we received nothing for the investigation.

By the way, we didn't do an investigation.

So the line that kept sticking out to me this weekend was the Democrats saying that sometimes hearsay is better than direct evidence.

Wow.

Since when has hearsay been better than direct evidence?

The hoops that you intellectually have to jump through to be a part of this crazy train is truly remarkable.

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Did you see Ford vs.

Ferrari this weekend?

Yeah, I did.

You did, Pat?

Yeah.

Yeah, I did too.

What'd you think?

I liked it a lot.

I thought it was really good.

And it's a story I don't think a lot of Americans are familiar with necessarily.

How much did you know?

Well, I knew the outcome and

I knew the general story, but I didn't know the specifics of their relationship and all that.

So if you don't know, the Shelby Cobra is, or the Ford Shelby, is the

greatest race car

built.

I mean, they're just, they're amazing, amazing cars.

And the Shelby Cobra now, an original Shelby Cobra is what, three to five seven million dollars something like that the Ford Shelby's the real ones are you know ten million dollars and um built by a guy who's a Texan who is just this

you know why can't we do it kind of guy and the the Ford versus Ferrari movie

is the relationship between the driver and Shelby, the designer, and also the Ford Motor Company and the Shelby Motor Company.

And Ford does not come out looking good.

No, I really don't.

No, I mean,

Lee Iacoka looks great in it, doesn't he?

Yeah, he does.

But

it shows how Ford tried to buy Ferrari in a really intense scene.

Makes Ferrari look pretty weasily, too.

What makes Enzo Ferrari look terrible?

Horrible.

Horrible.

Like, really like a...

Well, I think one of the lines was when Lee Icoca came up, you know, he said, no, you don't understand.

This is, we're going to meet the mob.

And it really was kind of mob-like.

But

it is a, I think personally, it is a perfect father and son movie.

Every father and son should go see this.

Absolutely.

Yeah, and it shows you the rivalry between them because

Ford was, like you said, going to buy Ferrari, and Ferrari was just using Ford to up the price of

Fiat, another Italian company.

And that's what that's who they wanted to go with all along.

And so Henry Ford II didn't take very kindly to that.

So he wants to beat him on the racetrack.

And he says, I don't care what it costs.

And

in two years,

they developed the

Ford Shelby race car.

Two years.

And

that should have taken a decade to do.

And it wins at Le Mans in 66, 67, 68, and 69.

And then Ford decides they're not going to race anymore.

And

it's an incredible scene.

It reminded me of the old,

I think, Steve McQueen and Paul Newman movies, right?

Yes.

When I was a kid in the 60s, I barely remember them.

But I remember my folks going to and my dad taking to me, you know, taking me to race car movies

with, I think it was Paul Newman and Steve McQueen was in some of those as well.

And it really felt like that.

It was funny.

It was really, really good.

Really good.

It really was.

Have you seen Midway yet?

No, and I'm not going to.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Have you seen it?

Yeah.

What'd you think?

I liked the movie until it came to the very end.

That's why I'm not going.

Very end.

Might shock you a little bit because.

He explained.

He's not giving anything away.

Yeah, at the end of the movie, they dedicate it to all of the soldiers in the American Army who fought in World War II and the Japanese soldiers who fought in World War II.

Wait, what?

You're also dedicating this to the enemy that sneak attacked us at Pearl Harbor?

And two days before Veterans Day, that's what you're going to and it's not only that, it's the Chinese, the Japanese were horrible.

Horrible.

They killed 250,000 Chinese civilians.

Yeah, they were.

They tortured our American troops.

They were much, much worse than the Germans were with their experimentations and everything else.

We forget that.

No, I was actually more concerned about the plot line.

Didn't you notice that the plot line took a

significant turn to China when it didn't need to?

No, yeah, it was

China have to do with Midway.

All of a sudden, they're talking about China.

You're like, wait, what?

What just happened?

Yes.

And that's because there's Chinese money in the movie.

So this is another thing like

the NBA, where they've just sold out for the Chinese money.

And so they had to make Midway some way or another to make China look good.

And so they added all that extra plot line.

That is unbelievable.

I mean,

is that going to win them fans?

Loyal,

we're number two now.

We're not the number one market now for movies.

You're going to see all kinds of stuff starting to change.

For instance, did you see Terminator?

No.

Now, I don't know what they turned it to.

This is coming from a friend of mine.

But Skynet, it's either Skynet or Cyberdyne, but I think it's Skynet.

Skynet is no longer the name of the

evil system.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, why would you change some Skynet?

Everybody knows what Skynet is.

Why would you change that?

I was told that it is because, again, that has Chinese money in it.

And they're doing.

Now, I know the United States has a Skynet thing that we use against terrorists.

But apparently, Skynet

in

China is something

that has to do with their monitoring system of the average person or their internet or something like that.

And so they didn't want to be known as Skynet, the ones that have the Terminator.

So because of the Chinese money funding the movie, they rewrote part of

the budget.

They changed

that guy.

That's amazing.

Isn't that crazy?

Yes.

I mean,

wow.

And like you said,

if they're going to continue to accept the money from China, that's going to change a lot of movies and a lot of plot lines and a lot of dialogue.

How often is this going to happen in American movies?

You're going to have a massive Chinese influence now.

Especially as the United States becomes more and more unpopular, we're not standing up for what we are supposed to stand up for.

How long before the American stories are completely lost?

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Paul Jelly is a friend of mine, and he's the pastor of the New Testament Church of Cedarville that I attended yesterday.

And

he is also

one of the guys.

Are you the head guy of the Plymouth Rock Foundation?

Yeah, president of the Plymouth Rock Foundation.

And you...

Tell me your story quickly.

You grew up here?

Actually, I grew up in New Jersey, but my father, I was born in Massachusetts, but then my father

who was a pastor he moved us back here into New England and Massachusetts because you don't have to.

So I attended high school here in Massachusetts.

You don't have that chowda kind of

which is really heavy around here.

So you

got engaged with the pilgrims when you were young.

And

I was singing about this the other day.

We've almost lost everything about the pilgrims.

I mean, it's, they're just, they're images now, maybe, maybe on a storefront or a McDonald's or something like that.

And even that image isn't necessarily accurate with the buckles and

all the black hats.

Right.

These guys, they came over here

for

a couple of reasons, and they changed the world.

They really changed the world.

Can you tell the story of the Pilgrims?

I mean,

when I first was given some primary source documents and books on the pilgrims by my mentor, my initial mentor, John Talcott, here in Plymouth, I told him I don't really like history, so

no thank you.

And then, of course, when he looked at me and he said, no, you really should read this.

Then I started to read it.

And I think what amazed me was to read the literary prose of William Bradford, to read the diary, Mort's Relation, to eventually then read Good News from New England by Edward Winslow.

And these different books, when you're reading this, you're realizing, gee, this is their words.

This is exactly what they believed.

And it was nothing I'd ever learned in high school, nothing I'd ever learned in elementary school.

They were very learned people, if I'm not mistaken.

William Bradford brought more books over than were originally that started Harvard.

Right.

I mean, they had hundreds of books on, and when you think about

when you think of the small amount of space you had

for your family, for clothes, and think about it, you're taking everything that you're going to own over here, and you can't take very much.

You have maybe a small spot, and you're going to bring books and books in Latin and Portuguese and Spanish.

400 books was an enormous library.

Enormous.

And the thing is, and here you had them, very literate,

and they were very ideological.

One of the things is they were really wrestling with ideas, ideas that would have tremendous consequences.

Now, like anyone else, they did not probably, they couldn't foresee foresee what kind of ideas would do in consequences, but they knew they had to deal with those because ideas do have consequences and they change history.

So they were over, they're English, and they're over in England, and

the Reformation is just starting where before you couldn't read the Bible

yourself in your own native tongue.

You had to go to a priest.

It was the Anglican church that was really a a government.

You know, the king or the queen is the head of the church.

James is the head of the church.

Right.

And

heresy, anytime you were standing against it, you were burned at the stake.

So they leave and they go to Holland, right?

Right.

And, you know, the pilgrims, the interesting part about it is they initially wanted to be able to get along like anybody else and do the best that they could.

But even John Robinson, who became their leader, he was the pastor of an Anglican congregation.

In fact, he started to see his ideas for following the scriptures just conflicted with the hierarchy.

And the whole idea of determining whether someone is a heretic or not was all done by, backed by the state and backed by this whole idea that you had the terrible consequences if you disagreed.

And here are these ideas that would eventually bring great liberty of conscience and civil liberty beyond just religious liberty.

And yet at the same time,

it would take years to do that.

So here you have these individuals wrestling with it.

One of John Robinson's big wrestling matches when he was pastoring an Anglican church,

he said, why?

He used this kind of poetic language.

Why, the church is married to the state.

It's not married to Christ.

It has no freedom.

And he actually says that Christ led the church

because the king did.

Exactly.

And the king, and especially King James, who was very learned, he said, when I speak, it's the law.

I'm speaking to you by the power of the Holy Spirit.

And you have to be aware when someone says they're speaking by the power of the Holy Spirit.

And they also have the sword backing them up.

And force.

And that's hardly voluntary.

Usually the ones who speak for the Spirit are

the ones like King or Gandhi, Jesus, somebody who's really,

really not a friend of power.

Exactly.

And will eventually decentralize power.

Correct.

And that's what is so threatening.

And so you have these pilgrims, and they begin to wrestle with this.

John Robinson, when he debates with the Anglican bishops, after he's even left and gone to Holland and eventually into Leiden, he would reason this way and say, wait a minute, this is not the way it is.

The government actually comes from the inside out.

It's actually self-government that's the rule.

And this is just, this is threatening the power anonymity.

This is 150 years before

we're around.

I mean, before the, I mean, this is the germ of the idea.

And you have to realize that now, these pilgrims, when they're reasoning together and being taught by John Robinson to think and reason from principles,

they're only a small, tiny remnant that's mocked and they're called separatists because they're mocking them, not because they're complimenting them.

They're the ones who would separate from the church.

In fact, the interesting thing, when you read the bishop's writings and letters to them, he said, Why God has given you such grace and such benefit and liberty granted to you by the king.

Why do you throw that all away and start original thinking and thinking on your own?

This whole idea that to think and to reason, to come up with ideas that others may not have held was just anathema.

So it doesn't seem like they were thinking people because

they're growing in Holland.

Things are going fairly well for them.

They have about 500 people, you know, for 300 maybe to 325 in their church in Leiden.

Okay, so they have, you know,

it's growing.

Yes.

And

for some reason, you know, we had Tim Ballard here this weekend, and

he just came back from Leiden, Holland, and was talking to the scholars there.

And they said, well, they probably left because, you know, there was a recession coming.

They didn't come here for a recession.

Why would you leave your home that was comfortable because of a recession, even a war, when you were coming to America and it was almost certain death.

Yeah, you know, you think about the reasons, and Bradford gives the reasons in his Up Plymouth Plantation.

And they talk about the truce was ending with Spain by 1620.

And that was a big problem because they were in Leiden, and that when that truce would end, there would be more problems with the Spanish.

Also, not only was that a problem, but they said their children were getting on in their years, they were getting older.

But the real crux of why they came, Bradford gives in this poetic phrase.

He said, lastly, but which was not least, in fact, this was the most important, a great zeal they had of propagating and advancing the gospel of the kingdom of Christ into those remote parts of the world.

Yea, though we would be even as stepping stones unto others for the performing of so great a work.

Think about that phrase.

It's written later.

Bradford writes it about 10 years afterwards, about 1630, probably a little later than that.

And yet you see the

looking at this whole situation.

They were coming for a motive to advance the gospel of the kingdom.

And it was different than, for instance, there was an argument in the 1850s between

those who said really Jamestown was the cornerstone of America and others that said it was Plymouth.

And Jamestown was a religious group as well.

They had some very strong pastors, Pastor Hunt and others that came.

Right.

They had some real characters on that.

Right.

And

it was to

come for God,

but also come for gold and everything else.

This one was not coming for gold.

Well, you think of the difference.

The difference, because we like to point out both the positive and both.

You had a national experience with a national religion being planted in Jamestown.

You have something very local, very personal and intimate here in Plymouth.

Beyond localism, it was familial.

It was all about families.

But also, you recognize that here in Plymouth, this was a church plant.

You see, in Jamestown, it was a national plant.

It was a replica of the state church.

And though they did have their assembly in 1619, there are a lot of things that take place in Jamestown prior to Plymouth, and they have a lot of firsts.

What we have in Plymouth is unique because

this is where this was a church plant.

Without the Leiden congregation sending about 75 people over to the New World, and not even 75 were able to come.

Some returned when the speedwell was springing leaks, being overmastered by the captain, and what at least from what Bradford has written that they believe happened.

That

they came here, so their hunger for religious purposes, and you have to look at the wider context of history at the time.

All the explorations that are taking place at the time,

whether it's the Portuguese, Spanish, or anyone else, is under this doctrine of discovery, which is basically you go in and you take over the land, you take over the people, and then you dominate them, make them your slaves, and then introduce Christ.

Well, this is

now because they're so dependent on you.

There was this conquering mode where you have the pilgrims and Robinson's teaching of them.

Now, they're not going to stop in any exploration like this.

You're going to have some hotheads on your group.

Right, and there was a group on the Mayflower called the Strangers.

Yeah, they were not part of the Leiden congregation, but the Leiden congregation is the one pioneering the motive for coming.

And that motive is to serve.

That motive is to bless.

That motive is something that was

trained into them.

It was a different, it was a remnant movement.

So I want to I want to take a quick break and then we're going to come back and start there because this was a socialist idea.

At first it was a socialist idea and they had a ton of firsts here in America that were really important

that if we know about them today, we can correct the path that we're on.

We're at the Laydon, the Leiden House now in Plymouth, Massachusetts, and

I'm here for a reason, and that is the 400th anniversary of the landing of the Pilgrims is happening in 2020.

There's some events going on that I want you to know about.

Next week, there is this amazing parade put on by the Plymouth Rock Foundation,

and

it's

history as it

has traditionally been told and is really

being lost.

And they started this about 20 years ago, and it has exploded.

There's about a quarter of a million people now that come into this town, little teeny town, just for this parade.

And if you're anywhere near the area next week, you need to come.

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We're in Plymouth, Massachusetts.

Not the place to necessarily be in the winter, but I thank you for that.

I want to introduce you to a couple of people.

First, let me introduce you to Ollie DiMosito.

I met Ollie yesterday.

And I want you to, as you're listening in your car or wherever you are, I want you just to realize

this segment is about the impact of two normal people just like you who just

wasn't necessarily thinking big.

They thought small.

What is it I'm supposed to do?

And the results are huge.

I also want to introduce you to Beth Pereira.

She and her husband

own this building that we're in now, this plot number one, this beautiful home right across the street from Plymouth Rock.

And you felt compelled to do what you're doing.

First, let me start with you, Ollie, because you are, I went to these

float barns where you are building these floats.

And every year, this

parade tells a different story, right?

Exactly.

How long have you been doing this?

I've been doing it for roughly 25 years, pretty much.

And you're right, it started.

We kind of took it over at a certain time, but I've always had a passion for history, you know, but and I have more of a passion for America.

You know, know, I immigrated here as a child, so

coming to America when I was a little kid was like coming to heaven, actually.

That's how we felt.

How old were you?

I was seven years old.

And you came from Cape Verde, which is on the west coast of Africa.

There's little islands, they're Portuguese islands.

And so it was a big deal for my family to immigrate here.

And I remember getting on a ship and starting the voyage over here and how difficult it was and throwing up the whole way.

But to us, the opportunity, what everyone knew in Cape Verde was America was the place.

Why?

Why?

Well, because, well, first of all, you only get four years of education over there.

It's very difficult.

You know, for one of my older brothers to go to a different island to get high school education was more than my father made in a whole month.

So it was impossible.

So my mother's dream was to educate her children.

And so all of us have been educated, college, and so on.

And we wanted the American dream like everybody else.

It's like my story is not unlike anyone others' stories.

But I just, you know, I have a passion for why America is America and what America has represented for so many,

for so long.

Why is America America?

America is America because it's an idea.

And it's an idea that not only for me as a Christian, I really believe that, you know, it was in God's sight to see that America would be.

There was a reason for it.

There's a reason why America exists and existed for so many things.

America has totally changed the whole makeup of the world.

The world's a different place because America has existed.

And so to me.

And it's because the idea existed.

Exactly.

and we've never accomplished, fully accomplished the idea.

And the idea is all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.

Among these life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

We've never completed that.

And it's crazy to think that the arrogance to think you could come up with a better mission statement for a country than that, especially when we've not gotten close to even completing that yet.

That's because

we're part of that process.

That's what holds it up most of the time.

But it's a great idea.

Like for us, for my family, was really we can go to a place where every dream can be realized.

And I mean that sincerely.

I mean, my dad didn't have anything.

My mom didn't have anything.

But we knew that in America we had a chance.

And it goes deep with inside me.

I have a passion for what I do when we celebrate the parade and we tell America's story because I believe that no one should forget why America exists and why it continues to exist.

And we cannot forget so that we don't allow for why it exists to go away so other people and other generations can't be benefactors.

I want my children.

I want my children's children to be able to know why their granddad, you know, or their great-granddad made the voyage to come here.

There was a reason.

I wanted to be free.

And at that time, I didn't even really understand what freedom was.

But I soon began to understand what freedom was.

And it wasn't easy.

So you are, we met at the parade barn or the float barn where you are making these incredible.

You were so funny yesterday because I drove up and I saw one of these floats that was out of the barn that you're still working on and I said to whomever was in the car I said maybe it was you Beth I said Look, is that the golden spike?

And when I met you and you said, and we're working on some things, and this is, you know, represents the golden spike.

I don't know if you can see it.

And I'm like, yeah, it looks just like the picture, dude.

I mean, there's these two big trains that you have built on the back of this float.

And you tell, what is the theme this year with the parade?

Well, the theme usually always with the parade, it's prosperity, but the theme with the parade is always telling the great moments in history where the nation paused to give thanks, thanksgiving.

So, and I believe anytime we had great accomplishment, like we also having the Apollo 11 this year, when this nation has done great things, we're doing D-Day this year, when we've accomplished things that are far beyond what people can even imagine, I think the nation has said, thank you, Lord, that we've been able to do these things.

I mean, that was a big deal 150 years ago to have the West meet East.

You know, there's a huge deal.

But this is not something that there's no corporation behind this.

There's no big money behind this.

There's no big people behind this.

It's just you and your church and some other people.

And it's like a real parade.

I mean, it's like...

Real.

It's not one of these, ah, yeah, we dressed up the back of our pickup truck.

This is real.

No, it's legit.

Obviously, the whole nation has taken note of what we do.

And I think what we do is that we're different because we do tell a story.

And one of the things I've always enjoyed about you, you're a storyteller.

And I'm a storyteller.

And I do the stories, though, in a parade.

I let the people know the greatness of this land and why we so appreciate it, why so many appreciate it.

And we do it every year differently with different events or different historic events or anniversaries that tell a wonderful story, and it's knit together by normal people.

You're right.

Just like that, there's like everybody there.

Nobody's getting paid.

That's right.

Nobody knows who they are.

Nobody knows their names half the time.

But the product product is excellent, and the story is even better.

I have to tell you,

I went through your barn, and what did I say to you?

Would you come and build a Zeppelin for me?

Because I can't get somebody.

That quality that you have done on these floats is beautiful.

Just beautiful.

So I know you have to go back to work, and you're lovely in that outfit.

Thank you.

Do you change?

Do you get a change?

I do.

My wife, she puts up stuff.

Sometimes I sleep in my clothes and get up the next morning and do it.

Sometimes we go through the night for the next day.

We're not done to complete it, but it's when is the parade?

This Saturday.

This Saturday.

It's always the Saturday before Thanksgiving for the main reason that we want people to still enjoy their grandmas and their uncles on Thanksgiving Day.

We don't want them to be away from their family on Thanksgiving Day.

So we do it the weekend before, and you have all the stuff and the excitement of it all, but at the same time, you get to be with your family.

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