'Paranoia Will Destroy Ya'? - 9/6/18

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Glenn back.

I think I need to open the phones because I could play, well,

on one hand, but then again on the other, all day long.

And I really want to hear from you

on the Spy in the White House.

The op-ed in the New York Times, by the way, we're going to take your phone calls, 888-727-BECK.

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The op-ed in the New York Times.

On one hand,

I'm really happy.

There is

we all know that Donald Trump is

a little unhinged at times.

He may not be taking Russia as seriously as he should be.

We also know that there's some things that we really like.

So, on one hand, I'm glad there are people that are stopping him or slowing him down on doing some of the crazy things that are either undemocratic or

not, you know, Republican-conservative things.

On the other hand,

not

covertly,

I am really very bothered by the covert nature of this.

If you were taking, you know, things, and this is the Bob Woodward book, not the editorial, but if you were taking things off the president's desk,

on the one hand,

but on the other,

you're not an elected official.

Even if it were Mike Pence, and I don't think it is, even if it were Mike Pence and he's an elected official, they didn't vote for you, Mike.

They voted for him.

We have a shadow government.

You can't tell me that this is healthy

because it never stops here.

Let me ask you this.

If you're upset about this today,

that he's doing this, would you have cheered if somebody, let's say, in the treasury or

on the

group of people

with the cabinet that Obama never met with,

if they would say, you know what?

We believe in health care being the best in the world is happening here because of the free market system.

This is going to be a danger to our economy.

It's going to be a danger to the future of health and innovation.

Would you be okay with a group of people covertly stopping Obamacare inside the administration?

Now,

I will tell you that part of me would cheer,

but I would hope that I would say, but on the other hand, we didn't elect those people.

Elections have consequences.

This is a bailout.

I'm sorry, but then where in the Constitution can I find the bailout for the

president?

I mean, he's the president.

You elected him.

And, well, half the country didn't.

Well, half the country didn't elect Barack Obama either.

But he was the president.

So would you have cheered if you were upset?

And if you're cheering now,

Would you have cheered if somebody had done that to Barack Obama?

Or let's use a a real scenario.

If this precedence stands,

will you be cheering when it happens to your guy, maybe the next term?

I can't find this in the Constitution.

I do believe this is a nationals.

I believe in the op-ed, it says, well,

we didn't want to get involved with the 25th Amendment.

We didn't want to cause a constitutional crisis.

You have.

You're doing it right now.

You have a a shadow government inside of the White House, an unelected, unnamed group of people that are thwarting the president of the United States.

I don't know how to look at that other than a banana republic.

I'm sorry.

I mean, at least the 25th Amendment to the Constitution is in the Constitution.

In the Constitution.

There is impeachment.

There is election.

There is the 25th Amendment.

There is not anywhere in the law, Constitution, or common sense for a group of people to be secretly thwarting everything this president is trying to do.

And

on the other hand, I'm glad that he's been slowed down on certain things or hasn't done certain things.

But I am not for, I am for a group of people coming into his office and saying, Mr.

President, you cannot do this, or we all walk.

I'm for that.

I am not for a group of people deciding they're just going to take the rule of law and the Constitution into their own hands.

And I would have said this under Barack Obama.

I do not like secrecy.

I do not like the lack of transparency.

And this is a dangerous precedence.

It's Thursday, September 6th.

This is the Glenbeck program.

I don't.

Fascinating day.

It's, my gosh, there's so much to talk about

today.

We have, I have some good news.

I have some really good news

about

the Democrats starting to turn as well.

There is

a historic opportunity right now.

It's happening right now.

If people will stick to principles, American principles, you have a chance of uniting maybe 60% of this country,

maybe higher.

But over 50% of this country can come together because

people are tired of this.

They're tired of the craziness.

They're tired of the craziness of the Trump administration.

They're tired of the craziness in Congress.

They're tired of the craziness from the alt-right.

They're tired of the craziness from Antifa.

And the Democrats are finally waking up going, wait a minute, we have been hijacked.

And they are finally seeing the same things that the Tea Party saw in the Republicans.

They're rejecting their own party.

And that is a good thing because they're rejecting Democratic Socialists.

They're rejecting Linda Sarsour.

We'll get into this later.

There is some really good news.

But

short-term thinking,

I know people in the administration

and in and around the administration that called me

before the

election

and said,

Glenn, I just want to have an off-the-record conversation with you.

You and I have been friends for a long time, or you and I have been doing this or whatever, and I know you, you respect me, I respect you.

I want you to know I'm not speaking out because someone needs to be in the room.

Someone has to be there to help shape and guide.

So I know people and I celebrate that people are in the room that

are not crazy,

who don't believe that, you know, trade is easily, you know, trade wars are easily won, that Russia, there's nothing wrong with Putin.

Putin's just like us.

No, he's not.

So I'm really glad about that.

And I know people who took jobs there and are getting blasted for it,

but they took jobs so someone could be in the room.

That's different than this, don't you think, Stu?

Yes, I mean, certainly it's different than what we were talking about with the Woodward book, right?

Where people are taking,

allegedly taking papers off of desks to hide things that the president wants to do and take it, taking something that's done away from him so he can't sign it.

At least that's what's the way it was portrayed in the Woodward book.

That, to me, is completely over the line.

You know, and because, you know, look, even if he's making bad decisions, you know, we elected him.

Elections have consequences.

I mean, even if, you know, because I think I have been very vocal on how much I disagree with the president on trade in particular.

Yeah.

But, I mean, the president's the freaking president, and the Congress, by the way, gave him that power.

The Congress gave the power to the president against what the Constitution says

and allows him to do this.

So, you know, this is where we are.

All you have to do to restrain any president, this is what we were asking Congress to do under Barack Obama, is tell Congress to live within the constitutional powers.

Take your power back.

And force the administration to live within its powers.

Right.

They don't want their power back.

They want to be able to blame it on somebody else.

That's what's really happening.

But you argue with the president about that, and you tell him he's wrong.

And if you really feel strongly about it, you might resign.

And Cohn did resign, right?

I mean, so

but you don't, this is such a strange thing as far as the specifics about this op-ed, which is you can say

that this is someone who is working against an agenda, and they don't specify any of these like tricks where they're doing something against the president.

He says he's working he's doing what I believe is right, and

it's something where we are working against the worst instincts of the president, is the way they phrase it.

And doing that can be a bunch of different things.

You know, that can be what we're talking about.

It might be just talking about, you know, trying to guide him towards the right decision, which is a completely

every big executive has advisors who do that.

We talked about

Steve Jobs yesterday.

Steve Jobs had people on his staff that would tell people, don't bring that up to the president, to Steve.

Please don't, or we're going to go off on a tangent and we'll be a million miles away.

Right.

And is that wrong?

I mean, is that action wrong?

No, you know.

It can be in certain circumstances, I think.

Stu, you and I both know that

you have said to people before they meet with me, don't bring that up with Glenn because he'll go, right?

We'll be building rocket ships.

Right, right.

All right.

And I don't ever have a problem with that, but you would never say if it was critical to hear an alternate voice

or a different opinion.

You would never shut that down.

And I have had employees that have walked out of my office and they were fired for it because they walked out of my office and they were high-level executives and they said to their team after meeting with me for like 90 minutes and agreeing on a course, okay, dismiss all of that.

We're not going to do any of that.

Right.

Like that's different.

That's, yeah, that's not something.

Yeah.

You're right.

Because if it's something like where the president of the United States is saying, I want to start a trade war with, you know, Madagascar.

Then you all have to.

The bottom line is, yeah.

Yeah, you all have to walk out in front of the press and say, I can't do it.

He wants to start a trade war.

This is crazy.

Now, and here, they don't necessarily outline that.

He doesn't outline, I don't think, something that would be completely against

the Constitution.

I don't think he outlines that.

I think he outlines...

That he is he wants to almost tell the American people, I'm there trying to, I'm there to try to do what I can to push back against these worst instincts.

Depending on how that's defined, it could be okay, maybe not.

But the issue I have with it is that if what you're doing, you're doing to be to do something that's good for the country, and you believe this is really important,

you have to do that in silence.

When you come out and write this op-ed, Trump, every time something doesn't happen, he's going to believe he's being thwarted in some way.

I could not solve this puzzle in my head head last night.

Why,

for the love of God, would you do this?

Yeah.

Okay.

Here's a guy who, in the Woodward book, if you believe any of this, and I do believe some of this, he loves chaos.

He

must have complete blind loyalty.

He is vindictive, and he is paranoid.

Now, he has a reason to be paranoid, but you've just said, here's a guy who's a little unstable and he's a little undemocratic.

You know he's a guy that does purges.

Why would you tell the world and him, by the way, there's a group of us.

Yeah, you don't even know who we are, but we're there every day and we're thwarting you.

Why would you do that?

If you believed that this was national security, why would you come out and admit that?

Because you've just made the president, if I'm to believe you, much more dangerous, much more likely to not listen to anyone.

What is your purpose?

I cannot come up with

a logical reason other than,

and I hate to say this, other than somebody who wants to say,

I was that guy.

Yeah, like someone who wants history to look at him in a certain way, which is a terrible instinct.

If you're really this person who is there for the country, that's not what you would want to do.

I mean,

the argument being made by people who are kind of supporting this is he mentions the McCain funeral and the idea, you know, we've been non-stop hit with country first and all the things that McCain, you know, many believe McCain kind of stood for.

And whether you liked him or not, this person seemingly did.

Right.

So the idea of, hey, maybe I should let the people know that there are good people here.

It's not all bad.

I just don't buy that.

If you are in that administration and you believe that doing these things is an important part of what's happening and you're protecting the country against negative influences, again, depending on how you're doing it, that can be okay.

And it might be not.

I have news for you.

If you believe that the president, as stated in this op-ed, is a threat to democracy and the national security,

you You have a constitutional responsibility.

You do not take an oath to the president.

You take an oath to the Constitution of the United States of America.

If you believe this, you have a responsibility to go out and say, this is what's happening.

This is a danger.

You have that responsibility, period.

But on the other hand,

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Hello, Debbie.

Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

Hi.

I wanted to respond to your discussion about the Woodward book and the op-ed.

And I look at it in a slightly different way.

I'm an independent.

I didn't vote for either candidate.

But I'm really, really tired of people making excuses for Mr.

Trump's behavior.

It's just you know, people will say, and I'm not talking about I'm not talking about Fox.

I'm not talking about CNN.

I'm talk not talking about anybody in particular.

It just seems like everybody says, well, I don't like this.

And then the next sentence is an excuse.

And so maybe this is a way of things now are starting to kind of make full circle, come back to him for his behavior.

Well,

I don't know, Debbie.

That's going to require the...

the citizens of the United States to actually start caring about the truth.

Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are employing

basic right-wing postmodernism where the truth doesn't matter.

It's my truth.

Well,

that's fake news.

And

there's no logic.

There's no facts behind it.

Just as the press did under Obama and with Hillary Clinton.

Oh, the Benghazi thing.

Well, that was started by a film.

No, it wasn't.

No, it wasn't.

And you guys had meetings about it.

We have records.

And that truth didn't matter to the press.

Well, two can play that game, I guess.

And so nobody's going to hold anyone accountable.

The left is going to try to hold the right accountable for doing the same things that they did.

And the right is going to hold the left accountable for everything that they're doing now.

That's postmodernism, a world that is not based in fact, in reason, or truth.

This will change when Americans decide, yeah, you know what?

The truth comes first.

Good morning and welcome to the program.

I'm glad you're here.

Let me get your

thoughts on the

even the legality of what is happening in the White House, supposedly.

Brian, welcome to the Glen Bank program.

Good morning, Glenn.

Hi.

Do Do you think there's a chance Trump has put this out on his own, given that he loves the environment of chaos?

I love this theory.

So it would be

John Barron, right?

He's the high-level official.

Yeah, yeah.

No,

I can't imagine that.

I mean, I do think that he enjoys chaos,

but I can't see a way this helps him in any way.

Does it distract from the Woodward book?

I think it emphasizes the Woodward book.

If anything else, it probably draws attention to it.

I think so, too.

It's a fun theory.

I don't think...

I mean, they actually are running odds now on who it is.

The casinos are coming up with odds.

Where do you make your bet on this, Glenn?

So they've got Mike Pence at minus 150, which means you have to bet $150 to win $100.

I mean, that's terrible.

They have Pence high because of this lodestar thing.

We haven't talked about it really.

He used the word lodestar in the.

May I give you a theory?

You can.

You don't want the rest of the audience.

I do.

I do, but I think this will affect the odds.

Okay.

Okay.

Mike Pence.

I just don't think Mike Pence wrote this.

No.

I don't either.

And,

you know, maybe it's a setup.

Maybe somebody is setting him up to look like the guy who did this.

I don't know.

That's what I was thinking.

Okay.

So here's.

They referenced the 25th Amendment.

You have Donald Trump, who is already a caged animal, right?

He is feeling very alone.

He just gave an interview just last weekend where he talked about how alone he feels.

It's a lonely job in the first place.

You're surrounded by enemies always busting you in the head.

You're paranoid.

We know he's a paranoid guy.

You're paranoid as it is, and he has reason to be paranoid right now.

And then you release this.

What is that going to do besides bring out probably more erratic behavior?

Is this a possible setup to bring

a more unstable president out so you would have more evidence of the 25th Amendment?

If you got together in a group and you'd say, let's do that,

the argument would be, we don't have enough evidence.

We don't have enough people that would testify on this, this, and this.

He'd have to do these things.

Well, wouldn't this help?

And that's

an insane game you're playing there.

Insane.

But you have to imagine, you know, the end game is not an op-ed, right?

Like, the end game is not.

Hey, I'm going to write something, and then maybe someday people will think better of me.

I don't know.

That's a seems hard to believe.

And by the way, the lodestar thing

is

he used the word lodestar in the L-O-D-E-S-T-A-R in the op-ed.

Lodestar means a star that leads or guides, especially a North Star, one that serves as an inspiration.

Most people would use North Star or Polar Star.

And almost nobody, I've probably never heard anyone in my life use the word Lodestar.

So my first thought when I was reading that, I'm like, lodestar, who the heck uses that word?

And I was like, the first thing I would do if I was at the White House is I'd be searching the internal email servers to see who's ever used the word lodestar.

Because obviously, if you're writing this about yourself, you're going to make sure you don't use a word associated with you.

If you have phrasing that you use all the time, you're not going to put it in your op-ed because everybody's going to be able to do that.

Be like me, right?

Do your own homework or the world's about to come to an end.

You guys don't put that in.

You know it was Glenn.

Right.

So when you're doing something like this, you're going to make sure to

not include something that's associated with you publicly.

So I thought you got to search these email servers.

Maybe somebody does use that privately.

They did.

I'm sure they did.

However, what they found,

what people have found so far, is that Mike Pence actually does use the word publicly often.

And that to me screams somebody targeting Pence.

Somebody who wants Pence out of there,

out of the circle of trust, knows that Pence uses that word all the time

and is trying to go after him as part of this thing.

I don't think it's.

So

let me say this.

If that would be true, then

everything else this person wrote would be false because Pence will be a moderating voice there.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

And all reports indicate he has been.

Right.

So if you're trying to set Pence up or separate him from the president,

you're not helping moderate things.

You're trying to upset the apple cart because Pence is blocking you from your access or your point of view with the president.

It could very well be, too, someone who might be an establishment figure, praises McCain in the op-ed.

Could be someone from that wing who doesn't like the sort of more conservative leanings of Pence.

Yes.

That's possible.

That's what I mean.

Yeah.

So, I mean, minus 150 for Mike Pence is a terrible bet.

I can't imagine it's actually him.

I can't either.

Betsy DeVos, 2-1.

Betsy DeVos, I don't see as someone who would do that.

Pompeo at 4-1.

Mnuchin at 4-1.

Mattis at 5-1.

Sessions, five to one, Ivanka 12 to one, Jared Kushner 12 to one.

Those are terrible bets, and Stephen Miller at 15 to 1.

Now, Miller, it doesn't he's certainly not his style of writing, but again, you might be trying, you're going to try to hide yourself.

The one, if I had to pick one out of that group, where are you putting your money?

I think I might go Mnuchian.

He's very under, he's well-known, well-respected in the business community.

He is a guy who's not outspoken.

He is the guy who has not come out and criticized the administration at any of these turns.

He,

I don't know, four to one, if I had to bet off that list, that's probably where I'm going.

I mean, I don't think it's Pompeo.

DeVos has had really, you know, pretty strong backing from the president, even though she's been under fire.

Do you know who her brother is?

Yeah,

Eric Prince.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Eric Prince from the Blackwater.

Uh-huh.

Eric is not necessarily the,

you know, the prince on the white horse.

I mean,

he is kind of a

dark figure that

would be the kind of guy that would

think

three-dimensional chess.

Who's standing in your way, Betsy?

Who's standing in your way?

Yeah, I mean, again, we're all just reaching and speculating.

This is total speculation.

So you're saying that's that's not as crazy.

Maybe that's why she's not.

I don't know Betsy at all, and I don't think Betsy is like her brother.

She's also

very wealthy and very independent and already has a high-level position.

I don't.

But the.

It's a fact.

It is.

Like,

I think the idea that it's.

I think your analysis yesterday of the Woodward book holds up really well today.

Because once again, what you get out of this, I think, is a summary of things we've known for a long time.

That, of course, there are people who are in the administration that are not big Trump fans and don't like his trade wars and don't like his Russia, you know, him liking Russia.

The example they use is that one.

where, you know, hey, we're at a two-track presidency.

You know, Trump is friendly to people like Putin, and we have gone a different direction.

But that's not thwarting the presidency.

All those things have been public.

Trump knows and signs off on all of those things.

They've convinced him it was right to sanction these people.

They've convinced him it is right to pull these people out.

That's

there's nothing wrong with that at all.

But again, think three-dimensional.

You know what?

I know it sounds crazy to

think conspiratorial in

situations like this.

However, you know, Tom Clancy novels

they're based in reality.

I mean, if I hadn't have witnessed some things myself

in government and in administrations and with the media, if I hadn't have witnessed them myself and quite honestly had had people like Stu next to me, who I can later go back and go, I'm remembering this right, correct?

I mean, Stu, there have been things that have been

have been ripped right out of a of a clancy novel that we have experienced insane journey that's

insane and you'd be like when it's happening to you or happening around you you're like

shut the hell up is everybody punking me and they're not

so

to to take this on its face value may be what you should do but i can't i cannot get past the point that

they say they want to make an impact and that Donald Trump has

undemocratic tendencies and he likes people like Putin well what what just happened in England Theresa May just gave a speech in front of Parliament.

That's really important.

Listen to this.

This is Teresa May yesterday in front of Parliament regarding Russia.

We were right to say in March that the Russian state was responsible.

And now we have identified the individuals involved, we can go even further.

Based on this work, I can today tell the House that, based on a body of intelligence, the government has concluded that the two individuals named by the police and CPS are officers from the Russian Military Intelligence Service,

also known as the GRU.

Okay, stop.

This is huge, earth-shattering news.

This is an act of war.

Okay.

This will require, England's not going to sit

and sit on their hands on this.

So this will require

possibly extra sanctions.

So we know this is coming out.

You know, if you're in the administration, you have that information.

This

letter specifically says Russia's bad, and we've put all these policies that he's not wanting to do.

Well, knowing Donald Trump, once you tell him don't do something, he'll do it.

Now you're alerting him that we've manipulated you on Russia.

Yeah.

And this is going to be the one he's going to push back on, you'd think.

Yes.

Maybe, again, this is all just speculation, but maybe it's someone.

From the sort of nationalist side of things

who

doesn't like what they've done to

Trump on Russia.

Correct.

And they are masquerading as someone else.

This is totally a house of cards.

It is totally

happening in real life.

Yes.

I mean,

you cannot take these things.

That's why secrecy and

transparency is the answer to everything.

That's why my stance in the end on this is this person must come out and identify themselves and go on the record.

This kind of cloak and dagger stuff is very unhealthy for the Republic.

It is very unhealthy for the general public as well.

This is not going to lead us to anything good.

No, it definitely.

I mean, because this is, there's two ways to go about this, right?

You resign, you come out, you make a public statement.

This is why I disagree.

He's doing something really bad for us.

The other way is to go the way of,

you know, Francis Underwood.

We just talked about a house of cards.

Do you really want to discuss courage?

Because anyone can commit suicide or spout their mouth in front of a camera, but you want to know what really takes courage, keeping your mouth shut no matter what you might be feeling.

And

I always found that to be such a great quote because there's so many times that all you want to do is stand up and say, I'm going to write an op-ed because I'm doing something great.

If this person is really doing something, let's just say, to protect the country, your courage lies in your silence.

Not coming out and running your mouth to the New York Times.

Or we talk about this some more.

Something's wrong here.

Something's wrong.

Something's wrong here.

There's a lot of things.

There's a lot of things wrong.

No matter what.

I don't think that this story is

the surface level that we're seeing.

I just, maybe it is.

Maybe it is.

But just, I can't put this puzzle together.

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We'll continue to take your phone calls and

get your feelings on this

deep state.

I mean, it's not deep state, but it is.

It's not the same kind of deep state, but this is a shadow government.

And I'm not comfortable with this in any way, shape, or form.

Now, there is the possibility, as Stu and I were just talking about off-air, that there's this possibility that the New York Times took somebody who is not at a very high level and is

publishing this anonymously.

If this isn't a cabinet level or just below cabinet level,

if this is not a serious player, the New York Times

should be

just

a roundhouse kick to the face.

Yeah, I mean, they, the, even people on the left are saying that.

They're saying, like, they, this better be something good, essentially, is the way they're looking at it.

Now, of course, they want to tear down the president, so that, but they, they are saying, I mean, when you say senior-level official, it could mean a bunch of things, and that's a totally yeah, no, it's got to be somebody who has serious, serious access.

Glenn back,

Mercury,

Glenn back.

California continues to be the test case in

how not to run a state.

I hope the rest of the nation is paying attention because California keeps passing mind-blowingly bad laws that have little to do with the constitutional concept of freedom.

And Texas is paying the price because all of these fruit loops from California are moving here.

The latest example is a law now that California Senate passed last week that is now on its way to Governor Jerry Brown's desk to be signed.

California Senate Bill 826 is going to force publicly traded companies based in California to have at least one woman on their boards by 2019.

That's next year.

By 2021, companies there will be required to have one to three women on their board, depending on the size.

Are you...

Excuse me?

How can this be constitutional?

It's not constitutional.

Look at, first of all,

postmodernist socialist people who are out to destroy the country, you might be willing to accept both arguments.

One, women are no different than men.

How dare you say women are any different than men?

They're exactly the same.

And two,

and women have to be on every board because they bring something unique.

But I don't buy into that.

You can't have it both ways.

I believe social media would be very well served by having both liberals and conservatives on their board.

But I also believe in freedom.

And so I'm not for forcing them to have conservatives on their board.

This is the first mandated gender quota law in the nation, and it will not be the last.

Now, let's be really clear as you're getting ready to write your hate mail.

This is not a terrible law because more women might end up in company boardrooms.

I'm sure most companies could benefit from the expertise, wisdom, and perspective that some women can provide.

Just like some men can provide.

What do you say?

You get the best and brightest minds, and you don't care about the color of the skin, you don't care about the packaging.

This is a terrible law because this is a classic case of big government getting bigger and reaching into areas that it has no business touching.

This will hurt businesses and it brings you one step closer to democratic socialism.

Criticizing this law has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with liberty.

It is the principle of the matter.

And I know we don't like to talk about principles anymore or truth, but both of those are the reason we're in this mess because we keep rejecting them.

Government should never be able to mandate quotas like this.

Once you crack that door open, especially in a predominantly progressive state like California, there is no limit to what the government will interfere with in an effort to fix things and impose progressively approved morality, which will cause all the Californians to move to Texas.

While California senators are patting themselves on the back for their forward thinking, their forced equality, every other group that perceives any sort of discrimination is now drawing up plans for their own government-demanded quota.

It will not stop until the quotas required 200 board members at every company.

Oh, you know what?

No, maybe we should just...

Maybe...

Maybe the workers should own the companies.

Maybe all of these companies should be a real reflection of the people and maybe the state should run those companies.

If you think that that is crazy, you have no idea what postmodernism means and what its goal is.

State-controlled property.

No, thank you.

California, there's a reason people are moving out of your state.

You are unfriendly to business and quite honestly, to human common sense.

It's Thursday, September 6th.

This is the Glenbeck program.

I wanted to add human because I mean, I think the spotted owls probably love Calbeck.

They probably love it, and I think that's fantastic.

Could you, could the government pass a law that requires a company to hire a certain gender for a specific job?

Like if you were to say, hey,

hey, you doctor, the doctor's office, you have a new doctor's opening, it must be a woman.

I don't think that's constitutional, right?

So walk through the situation.

In 2019, it comes up and someone is on a board, and there's five men on the board, and one decides to retire.

They would be forcing this company to hire a woman.

They would not be able to look at any male applicants.

Correct.

That cannot be constitutional.

There's an equal protection situation there, isn't there?

I mean,

get the government out of my business.

That's certainly wrong.

It's certainly wrong.

Now, of course, as you point out, I mean, it would be fine.

Obviously, having women on boards is great.

I mean, it's just like having men on.

Get the smartest person, whether it's a male or a female, should be our approach.

But the idea that you would have to be locking a company into a specific gender.

Now, again, what does that mean for a transgendered person?

What does that mean for someone who's pansexual or asexual or genderqueer or gender fluid?

Did they have no roles?

They would not be able to be considered either, would they?

No.

No, it has to be.

And if you don't have any pansexuals, how are they going to represent this company?

How is this company going to how is this company going to be fair to pansexuals?

You have to male, female, and 183 other.

genders.

You have to have all of the genders.

And

I got this.

By the time you hire 183, it'll be higher than 183.

I'll tell you that much.

You'll never catch that number.

I want to spend some time talking to you on the phones today about

this particular issue of

the op-ed piece in the New York Times.

Also, we're going to be doing open phones today at 5 o'clock on the Glenn Beck program on television and the Blaze TV network.

You can access that online, or you can access that

on your local cable or satellite channel you can ask me anything tonight five o'clock I recommend that you start calling around 430 445 and get in line 888 727 BECK 888 727 BECK that is also the phone number and we're going to the phones now let's go to Kirk in Florida hello Kirk your thoughts on the New York Times editorial and what's and what it means

well first of all I never touch the New York Times unless I'm using it to start a fire.

Second of all, since the dawn of humankind,

persons in governance have stabbed each other in the back.

None of this is new.

It's just much more amplified.

Now, does Trump have imperfections?

Absolutely.

Does he need people around him so that he doesn't break the rules?

Absolutely.

I would expect that of any person

in my presidency.

It's my presidency.

I put him there.

I am the voter.

Problem being is we, the voter, used Trump as a diamond-tipped drill to bore through the 1%'s shielding against us.

And that's why this is all happening.

They want to punish us.

by destroying Trump and destroying anyone who breathes his name, all to protect themselves and to try and create their socialist utopia.

That's all there is to it.

I don't know if I can go all the way there with you, but I don't rule anything out.

We were just talking about Frank Underwood and

the Netflix show,

House of Cards, and

how crazy that looked when it first came on.

I think it makes more sense now.

I understand that

world more than I understand what's happening right now.

I think we have gone so far off the deep end that I can't predict.

And there's what sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory

may be just that, may not be.

I have no idea because truth doesn't matter on either side.

Truth does not matter anymore.

You know, as far as just the constant chaos, we have talked so much in the Obama administration about the idea of overwhelming the system.

Remember talking about that all the time?

And it was, you know, there's intent, I think.

It's been outlined by

people who

are deep in philosophy and ways to get things done.

Francis

Fox

Francis Fox

Piven.

Yeah.

Got to remember the name.

It's been a while since we went over that.

But

this is outlined for a long time in various different ways.

But those times seem quaint to me, honestly.

When it comes to just the chaos of the news coverage and how hyperbolic everybody is about everything and

how obsessed we are, obsessed we are with, like we were talking about this before,

we were playing audio before the show.

Every morning, we go through the audio clips that we have for the day.

And

I want to say at least half, if not more, of the Democrats on various points on all of these audio clips were just coming up with some incredible amount of mental gymnastics to blame whatever issue it was on race.

The obsession about skin color from these people is incredible.

They all identify themselves solely by their skin color or how they feel about people with different skin colors.

We have to get to this.

Maybe, maybe next hour.

We have to get to this because I have

an interesting perspective on this

that

coincides with what's in the book,

Addicted to Outrage.

And I

there's we bring up, say exactly what you just did, maybe next hour.

I can't recapture that magic.

I think you could.

Let me go to Zach in Ohio.

Hello, Zach.

Hey, Glenn, thank you for taking my call.

You bet.

The greatest threat to our nation and the West at large is not Donald Trump.

It's not the deep state.

It's a threat that's largely ignored by mainstream media and even right-wing talk radio.

In the year 1900, whites made up 30% of the world population.

Fast forward 118 years later, we now only make up 8% of the world population.

In the next 100 years, Africa will be African, Asia will be Asian, the Middle East will still largely be Arab and Persian, but Europe will be Arab and African and largely Muslim.

If this was happening to any other group of people, it would be called genocide.

I encourage your audience to Google white genocide because you not only have to be aware of that.

Why are you

genocide?

Why is genocide?

say white genocide?

The birth rates of one society outpacing another's is not genocide.

Is it genocide to what's happening in Japan?

No.

They're not having sex.

They're not having children.

They're not reproducing.

This is all by choice white genocide.

Get off the phone.

Jeff in Ohio.

By the way, that's not what he told the phone screener.

Go ahead, Jeff.

Hey, Glenn, it's good to talk to you.

I was telling the screener that my whole issue is I am disgusted many times with the president's behavior, whether it's via Twitter or on TV, whatever it might be.

But I like his policies.

And so

I'm in this conundrum where how do I balance these two?

And I can't support what he says, but I'm supporting what he does.

So I think that's where the trouble is on this.

And

this is what we got ourselves into, and

you have to deal with the cognitive dissidence now.

You know,

what we did is

we hired a guy, and we knew these things.

We knew that he doesn't, you know, that he doesn't always tell exactly the truth.

We know that he's a salesman.

That's the best way to describe him.

He's a salesman.

You got to have this.

It's the biggest.

It's the best.

It's going to change your life.

Okay.

Can I read?

Give me all the specs here.

He's a salesperson.

So we hired a salesperson.

We hired a guy who we said, we want to, not me, many people, want to burn down the state.

I don't want to burn down the state.

I want to expose the bad guys.

He's not a good guy at exposing the bad guys because he surrounds himself, at least, you know, in the first part of his administration, with bad guys.

I mean, Michael Cohen and

Bannon and all these people that he now kind of identifies as bad were good.

Pretty plainly bad at the beginning.

Correct.

So the problem here is, and I think this is where most people are,

I think Donald Trump is a danger to the health of the republic.

I think left to his own purposes or his own tendencies.

I do think that he likes Putin.

I think that he understands Putin and Kim Jong-un

more than he would understand Theresa May or one of our other other allies that believes in democracy, you know, that believes in a constitutional republic that has checks and balances.

That's not good.

I think his instincts on trade, horrible.

Some of his instincts are awful, but that's the things that those were the things that Ted Cruz said.

Those are New York City liberal values.

He grew up believing these things.

He grew up believing big government,

you know, trade wars, all of those things that are not

good

and not conservative.

I mean, he was known for being the most powerful executive.

I mean, the apprentice certainly says that.

And so, yes, he likes executive power.

He loves executive power.

Okay, so that's not something that conservatives would like, but they made the bargain with the devil and they said, okay, he's going to be able to get these things done.

And he has done a lot of things that I never thought he would do.

I never thought he would do it.

And you're saying in a good way.

In a good way.

Yeah.

But he's also done a lot of the bad things I knew he was going to do.

So you now have to make a choice.

My feeling on this has been, I want good people around him.

And I think we've gotten to that point.

I want them to advise him.

However, I'm concerned that this is

a secret cabal.

I'm sorry.

We didn't elect you, Anonymous.

We have no idea who you are.

You have no right to thwart the people's choice.

If he's a threat, then you must make that case.

You cannot take things off of his desk.

You know, and I am torn because I think his instincts are horrible.

Horrible.

I personally celebrate that there's people around him going, don't say that, don't show him that.

However, it's wrong constitutionally and in principle, it is wrong.

If you accept it now, it will happen the next president and the next president and the next president.

And we're going to hear from the media if that one of those presidents is a Democrat, which they will be, if somebody is in there thwarting them, we're going to hear the exact opposite.

Yep, they will be demanding the name of who is doing it.

We must be consistent and we must base it in principles.

On the subject of somebody thwarting him anonymously, I think it's unconstitutional.

I think it is a very dangerous thing.

Even though

I am so torn because I'm glad somebody is there doing it.

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Glenn Beck.

So

what should journalists be doing right now?

What role

should they be playing?

We should be looking for actual facts.

Most people don't know what brought the Jim Crow South

to the forefront.

What captured people's imaginations?

What reporting was done

in the North to expose this by white journalists?

An amazing story that you've most likely never heard next.

I picked up a book,

I don't know, about a month ago, 30 Days a Black Man,

the title just jumped off the page at me.

And it's the forgotten story that exposed the Jim Crow South.

And it really, long before anybody else,

there was a journalist who decided, you know what, I'm going to go see for myself if this is actually happening.

And if it is, I'm going to expose it.

And

he's a guy that you've probably never heard of, and you should.

Bill Steigerwald, he's the author of 30 Days a Black Man.

He joins us now.

Can you set the stage?

I don't think most people even know this guy's name.

Yes, his name is...

Hi, Glenn.

Thank you very much for giving me this chance to talk about

my book.

And it's a book about a great hero of journalism, which we could probably use some more of these days.

His name is Ray Spriggle, S-P-R-I-G-L-E.

Most people haven't heard of him, especially today.

It rhymes with Wiggle.

And he was a, he had won a Pulitzer in 1938 for

exposing the fact that Hugo Black had been a lifetime member of the KKK, and he had just been named

Supreme Court Justice by FGR.

He was a nationally known newsman, and he was famous for going undercover.

He went undercover once

as

a coal miner.

He went undercover several times into

state mental hospitals, which were absolutely horrible places,

once as a patient, once as a guard.

He was an amazing reporter, a great writer.

He had done fiction in his youth.

He was

a major pulp fiction writer, up and coming one, certainly, in the early 1910s, maybe.

He showed up in Pittsburgh, became a newsman, and he spent, I don't even know, 45 years

being an incredible newsman.

And in 1948,

he decided he wanted to see what life was really like for the roughly 10 million black Americans living in the Jim Crow South.

And so he and he knew that the only way he was really going to find out for himself was to go down there.

But obviously he was as white as I guess we are, Glenn.

He was German American.

And so he immediately started figuring out, well, how am I going to dye my skin?

And he tried mahogany juice and walnut juice and all this stuff.

And finally, he just ended up getting a heavy tan.

And that

advice was given to him by people at the NAACP.

He reached out to Walter White, another unbelievably great hero, forgotten, dynamo of his race, he was called.

And the NAACP, which he ran from about the early 1930s to 1955,

you know, with Thurgood Marshall and all the law cases that were brought and all the work that was done was pretty much done by the NAACP, or at least certainly led by them.

And Walter White was,

unlike what do we have, we have Al Sharkin visiting the Obama White House about 87 times.

Walter White visited the FDR and Truman White Houses.

And

once you find out about Walter White,

you'll know what a hero he was, too.

Anyway, Spriggle met up with the NAACP people.

They said, just get a heavy, heavy can.

We'll give you a guide through the South

who will take you through the black world.

Spriggle didn't go down there

as a newspaper man.

He went down there as supposedly as a light-skinned black man from Pittsburgh who was doing field work for the NAACP.

And he was guided by a man named John Wesley Dobbs, another superstar, black man, pioneering social political leader in Atlanta.

His grandson was Maynard Jackson Jr.

And Dobbs basically hosted him at his house and

gave him a tour of the South from Savannah to the Delta over about 30 days, these two old colleges.

Now, Spriggle was 61 and Dobbs was 66.

These guys were at the top of their games.

They were both accomplished, brilliant men.

Dobbs drove around quoting Shakespeare and

English poets, you know, whole passages of poems.

He was a self-educated, powerful orator.

These two dudes were driving around the South for a month in May of 1948.

And Spriggle, because he was passing himself off as an NAACP guy, could take notes.

And so they would visit sharecroppers, principals of or teachers in the black, horrible black elementary school.

They

drank beer in jerk joints.

So, so,

Bill, what was it that what was it, the stories that he brought back that

took white America by surprise?

Well, at that time, in 1948, the big media of the day was print, and newspapers were very, you know, powerful and important.

If you want to read about what was going on in the Arab-Israeli war, which broke out while they were on their little tour in the spring of 48, you could go to your local Connellsville Gazette, and there on the front page would be maps of the Middle East and all that.

But there were very distinct,

the whole country was segregated, north and south, in many, many ways, shocking ways, really, horrible ways, shameful ways, I think, when you read the details on and on of how segregated the country was.

But in terms of media, there was the white media and there was a black media.

The black media was essentially weekly black newspapers like the Pittsburgh Courier, which was the biggest in the country, 400,000 subscribers maybe,

and a Chicago Defender.

The white media almost never wrote about black people or their problems or their

or anything.

Yeah, maybe a few crimes or maybe a vice raid that the local mayor of Pittsburgh would mount into the black neighborhood of Pittsburgh, you know, during election time.

But that's it.

So even the best white people in the North had no idea what life was really like like for black people in the South.

Black people knew either because they just left the South and moved north in the Great Migration or they were told constantly by the Pittsburgh Courier, which

I would encourage, I know that you love history and I'm a history major.

I guess I'm finally fulfilling my degree here for this book because I was a journalist for 35 years, mainly off-ed pieces and stuff like that, feature stories.

But there's a place called newspapers.com, costs you about eight or nine bucks a month.

And you can go back and read the newspapers.

Like

the papers that I needed, the Pittsburgh Post Cassette and the Pittsburgh Courier, the black paper, are all online.

You can read this stuff.

The Pittsburgh Courier was out of its mind tremendous.

I think it was like if you put if you put newspapers on the spectrum from the from the staid, boring and kind of creepy New York Times to the wacky New York Post, somewhere closer to the New York Post is where the Courier was.

They didn't pretend to be objective.

They railed about the civil rights abuses in the South and the poverty and

the lynchings and the trials and everything.

So black people knew exactly what was going on in a very sensationalized and powerful way.

The courier did this for 30 years.

And so did the Defender and other papers.

Meanwhile,

at the Post-Gazette where Spriggle worked, Walter White, the head of the NAACP, I think when I was doing my research, I think his name was mentioned about three or four times the whole year in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

This is a guy who'd been on the cover of Time magazine already and had the ear of Truman and was very close with Eleanor Roosevelt.

And yet, most white people in the North had no idea

how oppressive, discriminatory, and humiliating Jim Crow life was for 10 million blacks in the South.

Meanwhile, the North is no, you know, picnic either for

black people as

anybody who starts reading about that.

No, but there's, I mean,

I hate to interrupt you here, but we've only got a couple of minutes left.

But there are things that you talk about in

the book,

little things like, you know, the phone operators not willing to address you as Mr.

or Mrs.

if you were black because

you were beneath that.

You weren't a mister.

And, you know, some of these kinds of things, but, you know,

the things that really open, because he opened white people's eyes to this problem.

What he did is he came back from the South and he wrote a 21-part series, page one series for the Post-Kizzet.

It was syndicated around the country to about 15 other papers.

New York Herald Tribune was one.

Seattle Times was one.

And he wrote in a very powerful, persuasive,

and passionate way, Spruge did, recounting all these humiliations and inequities in the schools and the funding and everything.

I think the state of Mississippi spent more on bussing white kids than it spent on black education in the state.

So separate but equal is pretty much of a joke.

Cart,

Sprugel was very, very powerful in his writing.

He shocked the North.

He pissed off the South.

He pleased millions of blacks because the Pittsburgh Courier

reprinted his whole series, his 21-price series, and her seven straight weeks ran it, and it was

all over the country.

So black people, that was the only way black people could read what Spriggle wrote.

It started the first national debate, Spriggle series, about four months starting in August of

1948 through November, right after the Dewey

Truman election.

It started the first national debate in the media, in the national media, about ending legal segregation.

My book ends pretty much where Spriggle's story ends, and that is with a radio debate, a national radio debate, a couple hundred stations live on

town hall meeting of the air, which was like meet the press and,

you know,

this is the first time that this question was really asked, what should we do about race segregation?

In a public way.

In a public way.

In a media way, yeah.

And Spriggle, you know, lit a little spark, and it burst, you know, it flamed there for about four months, and then it died down.

And the South and Jim Crow did not get as much attention until 1954 with Brown versus Board, and then Amit Till Murder in 55, and Rosa Parks in 55.

And that's when the national media, the white media, the New York Times, CBS came down south with their film crews and their notepads to really fully cover what,

you know, a very un-American life, you know, American apartheid, basically, in the South.

And the North does not get off easy on this either.

I want to thank you for writing this book and teaching me about somebody who I had never heard of before.

And it really shows that you may not be able to solve something in your lifetime, but by standing and doing the right thing, you could set off a a trigger of,

you know, you could trigger a series of events that happen after you are long gone that change the world.

The name of the book is 30 Days: A Black Man, the Forgotten Story that exposed the Jim Crow South.

Really, really well done.

Bill, thank you so much.

This is available in bookstores everywhere.

You bet.

Thanks, Bill.

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Now, you know what NFL lineman's wearing it.

It probably looks a lot bigger.

And it doesn't look bad unnecessarily on them, and it looks appropriate.

You

it's like, I don't know, are you the Pope or what?

What is that?

So bizarre.

All right.

Final hour of the Glenbeck program coming up.

Glenn Beck.

It's Thursday, September 6th.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

What happened yesterday in the New York Times, the op-ed piece,

is itself a danger to the country.

It is a threat to national security.

I am so torn on this because I'm glad there's adults in the room.

I'm really glad there are adults in the room.

I want this for every president, but especially this president.

I want people standing around him going, Wait a minute, Mr.

President, could we just stop and think here?

I want that.

This president needs those kinds of people around him.

His instincts, I think, are wrong many times.

Sometimes they're right.

But when the president goes wrong,

when he's swinging for the fences, it could be a very bad thing.

So I'm glad somebody is in there.

However,

I don't like the idea of a secret cabal.

Nobody elected this unnamed anonymous person.

And even if they did, if we elected you, you're not the president.

He is.

And like it or not, elections have consequences.

And what's the difference between this?

This is a proverbial tarp bailout.

That's what this is.

The people made their decision.

People in power want to make it better in their opinion.

I don't know what this person's opinion is.

I don't know if this person is good, bad, agrees with me or the Trump voter more or less.

I have no idea.

We don't know who this person is.

And they're shaping the future?

No, thank you.

That's a bailout.

I'm sorry.

Trust the American people.

They'll get it wrong, but eventually they'll get it right.

That's Thomas Jefferson.

All right.

It's ugly.

It's an ugly system.

But this is

deep state, shadow government.

I don't know what it is, but it's not constitutional.

And here's why it's a danger.

I want to play something that came out last night.

This is Teresa May yesterday in front of Parliament talking about Russia and their influence and the killing of two of their citizens.

Listen.

We were right to say in March that the Russian state was responsible.

And now we have identified the individuals involved, we can go even further.

Based on this work, I can today tell the House that based on a body of intelligence, the government has concluded that the two individuals named by the police and CPS are officers from the Russian Military Intelligence Service,

also known as the GRU.

The GRU is a highly disciplined organization with a well-established chain of command.

So this was not a rogue operation.

It was almost certainly also approved outside the GRU at a senior level of the Russian state.

Okay.

Now, I want you to just think this through with me.

The President of the United States has been under attack by the media,

by the left, by the right, by everybody.

He is rightfully paranoid, and he also has a touch of, you know,

paranoia in him anyway.

The Bob Woodward book comes out where they're saying, I've taken things off his desk.

Okay.

Then the very next day, there's an op-ed

from somebody who's very high-level and says, Look, I really like some of the stuff that he's doing, but a group of us have gotten together and we talked about the 25th Amendment, but we don't want to cause a constitutional crisis.

Okay.

So a group of us got together and said, I think the president may be mentally unstable and unfit for a job.

You had that conversation?

Wow.

Okay.

Huh.

Now,

you have that conversation, and now you've put it in the New York Times.

And you say, hey, I like his tax cuts and I like a couple of things.

But I want to quote, astute observers have noticed, though the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than as ridiculed as rivals.

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Putin's spies as punishment for the poisoning of the Russian former spy in Britain.

He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior.

But his national security team knew better.

Such actions had to be taken to hold Moscow accountable.

Put yourself not in the shoes of the president.

Put yourself now as John Bolton, as

anybody who has to walk in and talk to the president about Teresa May and the evidence that they now have.

And you have to recommend action for the United States.

How are you feeling this morning?

How are you feeling you're even going to approach this?

Because

let's just assume you're not

the spy in the White House.

You're not the one thwarting him, and you have no idea who is.

But you know, as soon as you bring up Russia, the president read that last night and has been obsessing on it ever since.

And now you have to come in and brief him and say, look, we need a little tougher sanctions on Russia.

What do you think the response is going to be from the president?

How do you think he, you think he's just going to openly listen to you?

Or in the back of your mind,

in the back of his mind, is he thinking, I wonder if this is the son of a bitch that set me up?

Understandably so.

That's correct.

That's what any person in his position would be

at that moment.

He was already against the sanctions.

You just said,

pretty much, we went around his back and got it done anyway because we know better.

Now,

with more headed

our way,

now you've got to go in.

Somebody has to go in and say, look, we need to get a little tougher because England has proven now that they were right.

He's not going to do that.

You've put the United States in a national security crisis.

How can we trust that he's going to get good advice?

Because quite honestly,

think about this.

We know what Donald Trump is like.

We know he's mean and vindictive.

We know he'll cuss anybody out.

We know that he will

wring them out.

Yeah, he punches back harder.

That's what he's always talked about.

That's what he's like.

We know that.

You're a good servant of the United States and the Constitution.

You have to go brief the president.

Do you

at any time even think I'm not going to be the one going in there today?

No way.

I'm not telling him that.

Uh-uh.

Because he's going to think it's me and it's not me.

I am not going in there today.

Think about that.

That's a national security issue that is being manipulated.

I mean, the hawkish position on Russia is weakened in the White House today because of this op-ed.

And if the person who wrote it actually

cared about the hawkish position on Russia, you'd wonder why the hell you'd write it.

Because now you notice one position.

Do you notice one thing that they left out?

You know, they said, hey, you know, we're, we, the group of us, we like a lot of the stuff that he's done.

What's the first thing, Stu, that everyone always says if they voted for him and say, look, I don't like this, but, hey, look, I really like Gorsuch.

Got it.

Supreme Court justices.

Supreme Court justices and judges.

That's the first thing.

The one thing not mentioned in this, the judges.

So they didn't mention it either because they disagree with the judges, which wouldn't make them conservative, or they know by saying that, it's just going to set a fire

and

will drag Kavanaugh into this mess.

Well, why would you decide not to put that in?

Because that's the number one thing on everybody's list that they like about him.

Why would you decide not to put that in

other than to protect Kavanaugh?

But you would put things like Russia in, which is a continual problem.

And now we see the same day or the day after this comes out, the same day it comes out over in England, they've got the goods on Russia.

This is a nightmare.

It really is.

And you just, it's almost impossible to think of a reason to do this

if the person is actually representing their views accurately.

Unless it's some sort of personal ambition.

Yeah.

I can't think of a good reason.

I can't think of one good reason to do this.

Somebody who wants to be president themselves someday, right?

Or something of that nature.

Because

there's no argument to be made that this is going to help your position if this is what you believe.

Unless you are in that group and you're talking about the 25th Amendment and somebody says, no, he'd have to go crazy.

And you're trying to antagonize him.

And you're antagonizing him, trying to get him to go crazy.

So you have a scene, you know, he walked into the cabinet room and he just started throwing things and he was out of control.

I mean, that's a possibility, but I cannot understand why you would do this and think that this makes America more secure.

It doesn't, especially if he's unstable like you claim he is.

This is the worst thing you could have done.

Good luck on Russia today, White House.

Good luck.

Good luck for all of us.

It's craziness.

May I share some good news?

And this is something that

people have been saying, there's no sign of this.

There's no sign of this.

Glenn, it's just not happening.

Yes, there is.

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There's just, and I don't want to give in too much information out yet.

Somebody just tweeted something, is a journalist,

not well known.

At least I don't know him.

Stu doesn't know him.

And I think he has cracked the code on this one.

I think he is absolutely right.

We're going to try to get him on the show.

We're running so late.

If not, we'll do an after show.

If we can get him on, we'll do something on Facebook Live right after the show.

But let's can we get on that, Melissa?

Let's, let's, Marissa, let's get him on.

Uh,

it's it's you know, no, it

feels right.

It definitely

feels right.

It does feel right, but again, that's when you should always be suspicious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Uh, there's a lot of background work that we haven't checked on, but it's an it's an interesting thing.

That's all

this is an interesting thing.

Okay, let me give you some good news.

Let me give you some good news here.

Um,

Alexandria Casio-Cortez,

she tweeted

her support for Linda Sarsour.

This woman is putting it all on the line for healthcare women and LGBT rights, Linda Sarceur.

Far right constantly maligns her with false attacks and threats of violence.

Yet here she is always fighting for everyone our flag represents.

Okay?

How many times have you heard that?

That is stereotypical Democrat, right?

That's what you feel.

Stereotypical Democrat.

This is what I wanted to talk to you about last hour.

We have an opportunity right now, but we have to separate the people who like a bigger welfare state from the people who are actually

socialists, communists, you know, whatever, because they're not the same.

And if we don't change our language, if we don't start opening our language up and start opening our arms up to people who are looking for a home, we're going to miss this opportunity.

So, let me just give you some of the responses to her tweet.

The far right?

And here I had the nerve to self-identify as a liberal.

What with my belief in free speech, separation of church and state, and religious pluralism, all things Linda Sarsour has demonstrably opposed.

She's endorsed Islamic law, restricting critique of Islam, and plays with anti-Semites.

Next one.

Critique of Linda Sarsour is not the same thing as maligning her, a causeo.

Instead of blindly following her, why don't you ask your bestie to explain why she body-shamed and victim-blamed Asimai 1121 after her sexual assault?

Is that what a real feminist does?

Next one.

I criticize Linda Sarsour because I am a liberal, by the way.

I'm not okay with sweeping Louis Farrakhan's overt Jew hate under the rug.

I also don't believe in trying to make murdering Jewish babies okay by calling it Palestinian resistance.

Stephen Hunter writes in, I've got to disagree with you here.

Sarsour's open and unapologetic association with anti-Semites like Louis Farrakhan, as well as her advocacy of Sharia law, make her a con and a fraud in the progressive movement.

There's no place for bigotry or theocracy in a free and equitable society.

How about this one?

You should apologize to every FGM victim on the planet.

I don't even know what that is.

FGM victim shaming includes one from any conversation about women's rights, as does supporting the enslavement of women in Saudi Arabia.

Obviously,

call yourself whatever the hell you want, but you are no feminist.

This is

a

there is a growing chorus of voices inside the Democratic Party who are beginning to see these people for who they are.

We have to be very careful to

open our arms to people who vote differently and may disagree on the size of the welfare state, but are not with the destruction of the state.

They are not with the end of capitalism.

They're not anti-American.

They're not evil.

They may have been misguided or trusted these people, but they are waking up.

We need to provide a welcome to them and not a welcome, hey, you're going to start thinking just like me, but a welcome, hey.

Welcome back to reality and shedding

your tribal shirt, shedding your team colors, because now we can get something done, because

both teams suck.

Let's talk about real issues, not all these made-up issues,

especially made-up issues that are being championed by people like Linda Sarsour.

I think this is tremendous news.

It is, and it seems to be such a low hurdle to clear, to ask for something like this, for people to distance themselves from those who call for the elimination of all Jews or all whites.

These are not high hurdles.

The problem is, just like with Donald Trump, people are accepting of Donald Trump on the right because they see him accomplishing big things, pushing like the media, pushing the media back, and they're so sick of the media and they haven't seen anybody that's been able to do it.

So

you excuse it, which drives the left out of their mind.

The left then excuses people like Linda Sarsour because they're going in and they're pushing back on the Trump administration.

We got to stop excusing the behavior and

notice: if you're in bed with a radical, you got to get out of the bedroom, get out of the house.

The call is coming from within the house.

Don't be outraged.

Start to look for allies of freedom.

Glenn,

Mercury.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

I don't think I've ever read a more powerful story than

I found in the book Unbroken.

However,

the movie really didn't do it justice.

It kind of left some really important parts out, like, I don't know, God,

the main driving force behind this man's life and what he went through and his survival.

His son is with us now, Luke Zampurini.

How are you, Luke?

I'm well.

Thank you, Glenn.

How are you?

Very good.

Very good.

And Will Graham, the grandson of Billy Graham, is also here.

Thank you.

Big fan of your grandpa.

Oh, appreciate it, buddy.

He was a great guy.

So, first of all, for anybody who doesn't know Unbroken, just quickly tell the story of your dad.

Oh, he got two hours?

Yeah, I know.

Okay, so Louis Zamparini was the son of Italian immigrants, a juvenile delinquent that turned his life around to a point

through athletics.

He made it to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, the Olympics of Adolf Hitler and Jesse Owens.

And Jesse Owens was my dad's roommate in the Olympic village.

Unbelievable.

Charged with keeping him out of trouble, which I'm afraid he didn't do too well because my dad got in trouble when he decided that the souvenir he wanted from the Berlin Olympics was the swastika hanging off of Hitler's office building.

Oh, my God.

So he scaled the side of the building and ripped the flag down and got caught.

And he might have almost been the first American casualty of the Nazis.

But when they whipped him around, they saw

the Olympic emblems on his blazer, they said, well, who are you?

And so my name is Louis Zampurini.

I guess they were checking to see that he wasn't one of the two Jewish athletes that were on the American team.

So, of course, they went inside the building and came back with the flag all folded up and said, you can keep the flag.

Unbelievable.

Boom, go.

You still have it?

We do.

It's on display in Torrance, California.

We have a little museum on my dad's life there with all of his memorabilia.

He went on to

run for the University of Southern California, where he held the collegiate record for the mile for about 14 years.

He was almost the man to break the four-minute mile, but World War II happened instead.

So he ended up as a bombardier in the Pacific.

And

after

some harrowing

adventures on bombing raids, his plane crashed in the ocean.

And

he survived.

He and two other guys survived on rubber life rafts for 47 days.

floating across the Pacific Ocean all the way into the Japanese-controlled Marshall Islands where he was picked up by the Japanese who, by the way, followed American sports and they knew who they had found and they wanted to use him for propaganda purposes, which is why he was treated so inhumanely, trying to soften him up.

He refused to do the propaganda broadcasts

and instead he was able to survive the torment that a particular heinous guard named the bird was

tasked with making his life miserable.

He got through that.

Thanks to the

two atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan, the war ended and my father was able to come home alive from that ordeal.

That may not have happened without the atomic bombs because The Japanese had what was called a kill-all order.

So all the American servicemen and allies were going to be put to death once the American military landed on Japanese home islands.

So the bomb changed all that.

Otherwise, I wouldn't be here.

And so he came home.

Real quick,

let me just

ask this.

You had to be devastated when the film came out, and it just erased all of the

spiritual nature of.

Well, yeah, the first film ended at him coming home from the war, and there just wasn't enough time for him to be able to tell the whole story.

And I believe things happened for a reason.

And Angelina Jolie's film ended where it did, so that we could tell the story from a Christian perspective now.

Right.

With a Christian director and producers, and

then Will Graham playing his grandfather.

Which had to be weird.

I mean, going back in time and playing your grandfather.

And what kind of relationship did they have?

Because

he went to a tent revival of your grandfather's, right?

That's right.

Yes, it was.

1949,

the revival meeting that put Billy Graham on the map.

My mom talked him into going, got him into the tent meeting.

The words that Billy had to speak changed my father's life.

He came to faith in Jesus Christ, turned his life around, went back and forgave all of his prison guards.

And, you know, I had found, I was going to tell you why, I found a life magazine from November 1949 that had, it said revival, and it had pictures of your dad and pictures of my mom and dad with him on stage

in the revival meeting.

So

within weeks of him coming to faith, he was being brought back to give his testimony.

So

as you're playing your grandfather,

what is the

you're doing the research.

What did you find out about your grandfather and their relationship that

was surprising to you or was fascinating to you?

I'm not sure.

When I did my research on my granddaddy, when I was trying to research the sermons he was preaching and what it sounded like,

I didn't learn much about the relationship.

I had already known much about the relationship already.

Not just through my granddaddy, but from a lot of my granddaddy's associates, their friends too, that were there.

They were telling me about the stories about Louisian Parini.

And I never had a chance to play him.

But what I learned from my granddad when I was learning his sermons was that

he understood that time was short.

In August, the crusade took place September, October, November.

Scheduled three weeks, went eight weeks.

In August, right before that crusade started, the Russians had just detonated the first atomic bomb.

So every American was thinking about the nuclear age.

Now the Soviet Union had the nuclear bomb.

You know, this Cold War had started officially.

And so everybody was thinking about that.

And my granddaddy, half his sermons were preaching on communism against communism.

It's amazing.

It's amazing how the church stood against all these religious leaders of that era.

They all stood against the godlessness of it.

And that's all lost now.

People just don't, they don't even, you know, the younger generation doesn't get it at all, at all.

Well,

I guess there's a lot of competing for their attention.

They just haven't taken the time to do it.

But my granddaddy, he studied it, and that's why he would preach with a newspaper in one hand and the Bible in the other, talking about how the two would go together.

You don't find that in churches a lot of times now.

You don't see them tying real life together.

That's right.

And I think that's a real disadvantage

for a lot of people.

We're missing how does this fit into my life?

Because that's what it is.

I would just like to add that, you know, we give a lot of credit to Reagan and Thatcher and the Pope.

for bringing for the demise of the Soviet Union, but it was really his grandfather getting in behind the Iron Curtain and preaching the gospel that

angered people back home that he went back there.

But it was him getting there and preaching the gospel

that opened the door for the changes in the Soviet Union that brought down that evil empire.

I mean, imagine the power your grandfather, if he was at his, you know, at his apex again, if he was able to get into North Korea or even China and have some of those gigantic rallies that he used to have.

I can't imagine the impact that it would have on the future.

Well, every generation has to fight their battles.

And my granddaddy had his time and generation.

Now God's raising up a newer generation.

And

we're going to see a lot of changes, I think, take place in China and in North Korea for the better.

And talking about the gospel, that is.

And a lot of great things are happening, even without us knowing it.

A lot of great things are happening.

Yeah.

So when does the movie open up?

September 14th, just a little over a week away.

I'm going to go see it tonight.

I've been sent the copy for two advanced, so I wanted to watch it before this interview, and I just didn't have a chance to do that.

But I'm seeing it tonight and quite anxious because I think, well,

you both come from great stock.

I am a huge fan of your grandfather.

He's one of the...

One of the life-changing moments of my life was spending time with him.

And the same for your father, just reading the book.

I wish I would have known him.

Remarkable man.

Just a remarkable man.

He was a great guy.

Yeah.

The movie is Unbroken.

You can go to unbrokenfilm.com to find out more about it.

Unbroken, The Path to Redemption.

UnbrokenFilm.com.

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That's not actually accurate.

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The first day they could buy them would be tomorrow.

You are America's worst worst promoter of your own projects.

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Yes, I do.

You're terrible at it.

I know.

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Why are you in this business if you don't like it?

Because I don't like self-promotion.

And I know that sounds crazy, but I don't like it.

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You can't even say the details of the on-sale right.

Well, that's just because I'm a crappy broadcaster.

Oh, that's different than them being in front of me.

You're just bad at the job.

Yeah, no, I'm just bad at the job.

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Where are we going in this tour?

We are going to San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Richmond, Hershey, Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Kansas City, Evansville,

Tulsa, Tampa, Orlando, and a couple of other cities.

Boy, I'm getting politicked hard for a couple of cities.

Phoenix, Mike Broomhead, is like, you're coming to Phoenix.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

And so I'm trying to convince the tour bus to find a way to go to Phoenix, but there's a couple of others that are going to be added.

Just start a GoFundMe directly to Glenn Beck's bank account.

If you can get over $100 million, we'll be in Phoenix for you.

That's the kind of guy.

You can get me there for about $10.

Phoenix is awesome.

I love Phoenix.

Yeah, no, it's going to be fun.

It's the first time we've been out on the road like this in a really long time.

I think

since maybe commons, sense, no, not common sense.

What was the book after common sense?

It might be common sense.

I mean, I don't think we've done a stage show in

eight years, nine years.

Yeah, it's been a while.

It's been a long time.

And they're so fun.

I'm very nervous.

I don't know.

They're fun.

I mean, they're fun for me because I don't, you know, I maybe get to intro you and do a little bit at the beginning, and then I get to just watch you go out there and this sweat.

Yeah, it's great.

Yeah, you don't, there is a splash zone here.

You don't, I mean,

I know the most expensive seats are the front rows, but you might want to bring a tarp because there is a splash.

I sweat a lot.

A lot.

It's been a while, though, and that's going to be really fun.

A lot of the seats that you buy come with the new book, Addicted to Outrage.

There's different levels, you know.

Obviously, there's really expensive,

you know, like crazy expensive, like,

crazy.

You know, where I like the fact that the recovering alcoholic on the Addicted to Outrage tour does have a ticket that does include, like, I don't know, like an open bar or free drinks or something.

Nice.

Yeah.

So it's like, hey, we're going to talk about addiction and recovery and how this will help our country.

Well, one way, if I'm not mistaken, one way you have cured your addiction to outrage in the past is by alcohol because alcohol made you, you were a loving drunk, as you've described.

You were very lovey-dovey.

Yeah.

Now, that did not make people like Pat comfortable at the time.

No.

Pat was like, shut up.

Shut up.

Because you were hugging a lot.

I'd be like, you know, Pat, you are the greatest.

There's nobody better than you.

You're just such a good guy.

He'd be like, shut up.

So that's coming out.

And the book is coming out on September 18th.

So you can pre-order that at Amazon.com.

Okay.

We didn't cover a lot of things today.

I know.

We didn't get to.

Too much op-ed talk today?

Yeah.

How much?

I don't know.

Maybe.

I don't know.

It's such a huge story.

Marissa, what did we find out?

Did we get that guy on?

He's coming on.

Oh, he's coming on.

Oh, this is great.

Okay.

I don't know who this guy is.

I can't vouch for him.

I just saw him on Twitter.

He's a journalist of some sort.

He said, I started matching the language and keywords, and I think I know.

who wrote the op-ed and who's actually behind it.

And I think he's right.

Now, there's, there's, you'll never be able to prove it, I'm sure, but it sure makes sense to me.

First of all, this, this identity absolutely is going to be out.

We're going to know who this is.

It's not going to take a lot that long.

I don't know that it's going to be tomorrow, but this is, this is, I think I would put, I put money on this one.

And you have no idea, because we haven't checked any of his backgrounds.

Yeah, no idea.

None of his work.

It just

seems right.

It just seems right.

It all makes sense.

And those are always the things that are true, the things that make you feel like you were smart before.

Those are all when everything's confirming something that you think might be true.

And if it's true, it's just going to, the New York Times is going to look so bad to anybody on the right.

I mean, it's just, it's, it's not going to be good.

Anyway, we're going to do that Facebook Live in about half an hour.

Glenn.

Don't want to miss it.

Mercury.