'Contradictions and Chaos' - 5/10/18

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Glenn back.

This was the sound last night about 3 a.m.

Eastern Time.

That is the sound of hostages being released.

I think the award for the most busy and important job in the world today goes to Mike Pompeo.

He has been the Secretary of State for 14

days,

and yet he's manning the post of America's top diplomat at a time when war is very real, a very real possibility in multiple places.

In Asia, he has already traveled to North Korea, not once, but twice, and nobody even knew about it.

If my math is correct, let's see,

carry the one.

That's two more times than anybody from the previous two administrations traveled over there in more than 16 years.

Now, the fruits of these labors in the last year or two with President Trump have been huge.

President Trump may be the first U.S.

sitting president to sit down with a North Korean leader.

Is that good?

Is that bad?

We don't know.

So far, it has been good.

Pompeo returned from North Korea just last night.

This time, he arrived with three American citizens that have been held captive for years in a North Korean labor camp.

The last time the United States negotiated the release of U.S.

captives, it involved the Obama administration, Iran, and a bribe of over $400 million in cash.

News flashed to the dictators of the world.

We don't do business that way anymore.

Now back to Pompeo for a second.

While the potential conflict in Asia seems to be going well, there's a second conflict, this one in the Middle East.

It's beginning to heat up.

Last night was an example of it.

As Pompeo was arriving in the United States last night, Iran was doing something they've never done before.

Listen.

You're listening to the sound of Iranian rockets taking off from Syria on their way to northern Israel.

Last night, the Iranian Quds force launched their first attack ever on Israel from inside Syria.

The Iron Dome surface-to-air defense system was very busy engaging up to 20 missiles at a time.

The IDF has been anticipating this attack and immediately launched a counter-attack.

There was an all-out strike on every Iranian Quds force location inside of Syria.

Up to 50 Iranian targets were struck.

This is not the end of this conflict.

You can bank on the fact that this is merely the opening salvo from both sides.

The next war in the Middle East will be Israel and Iran.

The question is, did it officially begin last night?

So, to Mike Pompeo, probably the busiest and most important man in the world right now, Good luck.

We're praying for your success and no pressure or anything, but the fate of the world may rest in your hands.

It's Thursday, May 10th.

You're listening to the Glen Beck program.

You know, is there any truth anymore?

Do we even recognize that there is truth?

I mean, there's a lot of truth that we can can argue about.

You know, is there a God?

Well, I believe there is, but it is my belief.

You can't prove it.

Is there not a God?

You can't prove it.

Well, we're, you know, we're living in a multiverse.

No, maybe not.

Prove it.

You can't.

So there's some things that we can argue about, but we can never prove.

And we all have to stop pretending that we know the answer.

Because we don't.

We know the answer that we're comfortable with.

But there are some things that

the truth matters.

And we are now living in a postmodern world that teaches us there is no truth.

There is no truth.

It's your truth.

You know, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Well, I think Israel,

Israel was wrong in this.

Well, no,

we can take the facts of a situation

and and we can look at

where is the poison coming from

but nobody's going to give you an objective truth on that there's no right or wrong anymore

in in

ireland they are now trying to ban abortions And so what happens?

Well, YouTube has decided to ban all pro-life videos for this leading up to this vote in Ireland.

So if you have a pro-choice point of view, it's too dangerous.

It's too dangerous.

It's not right.

It's against their policies now.

I'm sure they'll solve this until the, you know, once the election is over.

In the meantime, on YouTube,

There is a new channel that that is showing parents talking to their children about gender.

Listen.

So if a p person with a wiener says, hey, I'm a girl,

what is that person?

A girl?

A boy.

A female?

Behold, gender identity.

When you went to kindergarten, you went by she, her.

Yeah.

And you wore dresses and some people said

they wanted me to to be a different gender.

They didn't want you to be a girl.

No, no.

People were being mean, but no one dated them.

Now you're they, them.

People should call you your actual gender: they, them, she, her, he, him,

or none.

Myself, I identify as trans non-binary, so the surgery that I'm gonna have, all of this is gonna be gone.

How do you feel about that?

Still, I still have mixed feelings.

Still mixed feelings.

How many genders are there?

Infinity?

What?

This is confusing.

Yes.

Very.

Now there's infinity genders.

Infinity.

There's only your truth.

There is no truth.

X and Y chromosome.

Remember, a Chinese dress on a white girl in high school?

Or an Indian character on a cartoon show?

Or a Vietnamese sandwich at a college cafeteria?

A sombrero, a headdress, a kimono, a poncho.

My culture is not your prom dress.

Does anybody notice that this is all becoming a laughingstock?

This is all, this is going to be remembered in history as the moment the world went insane.

the hunt began with trace amounts of legitimacy with outrage at understandably offensive things

but then it just kind of spiraled into an ever-growing list of offensives so numerous were these offenses and so minor that they had to create a term for them they called them microaggressions And now the entire world is a microaggression.

Doesn't matter.

You get up in the morning.

You are performing a microaggression on somebody.

The Atlantic has just published a 1900-word examination of the concept of cultural appropriation, which lies at the heart of all of these identity politics and the PC culture.

In other words, it is the ultimate microaggression.

One startling revelation, the Chinese dress that the woman wore as her prom dress in what has become a firestorm of political correctness, that dress, in fact, was co-opted from European culture.

Yes, it was culturally appropriated.

The article is titled

Every Culture Appropriates, and it examines many examples of the so-called cultural appropriation throughout history.

The conclusion is potent, quoting, the policemen of cultural appropriation don't think that way.

They have a morality tale to tell.

One Western victimization of non-Western peoples, a victimization so extreme that it is triggered by a Western girl purchase of a Chinese dress designed precisely so that Chinese girls could live more like Western girls.

But in order to tell the story, the policemen of cultural appropriation must crush and deform much of the truth of cultural history and in the process demean and

make baby talk

and make babies out of the people they supposedly champion.

Amid the cries of appropriation, there is an utter brilliance at play.

At least there was.

By accusing people of using power to intimidate less powerful people, they become empowered.

That is the idea, right?

And that's brilliant.

However, it's beginning now to act out fox the rulemakers

because the web of violations and aggressions and offensives have grown so thick and so many vine that it is assumed the very people who contrived it in the first place, the people who came up with it, the people who were teaching it, are now starting to fall into their own trap.

The culture police who have devoted their entire lives to exposing the injustices have themselves become the insensitive and ignorant bullies that they supposedly pursued.

It's mind-numbing.

The behavior,

incredibly sharp and massively intelligent.

Their world, of course, finds its basis in theories.

A life of abstractions, there is no black and white.

This is a revolution.

It's combative, it's oozing oozing with rancor.

And now those are the followers

who have just followed the lead of professors, who most often, especially in the humanities, sell all of these ideas as facts.

But there are no facts.

What we have learned is there's tremendous power in accusations of racism and privilege.

And with these accusations, they become powerful.

And what makes the approach so effective,

so immune to any other argument, is the philosophical basis of postmodernism, relativism.

When it's all fused together,

you have nothing but a group of ideas that disagree with themselves.

And if you argue those ideas that are in conflict with one another, you would be laughed away if it wasn't for the foundational premise that there is no objective truth, only your truth.

Saul Alinsky,

he wrote on the subject of relativism,

he said, I'm not concerned if this faith in people is regarded as a prime truth and therefore a contradiction of what I've already written, for life is a story of contradictions.

Yes, it is.

It is a story of contradictions, Mr.

Alinsky.

But the world doesn't live in chaos, and the world doesn't like chaos, and people can't live in chaos.

Contradictions do exist, no doubt.

But

they're like tangled wires.

And at some point, nothing works, and you have to track that wire all the way back to find out if it's even plugged in.

If you can untangle the wires, people will untangle them

because it will make life easier, safer, more understandable.

The left doesn't see it.

They have become the authority, the power structure, the bullies.

They've taken control.

To them, their voices deserve to be the loudest, and no one with opinions contrary to theirs deserves to be speaking at all.

Except there is a new politics that is forming.

The intellectual dark web.

The mass exodus of people from the left.

People who have always considered themselves liberal but can no longer suffer through the hysteria of the left.

With their NPR tote bags all caked in soot and their ball caps, you know, logoed with the New Yorker.

They feel homeless and they feel bereft.

These expats need a place to go.

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Have you noticed

the

lack of

video, I would say,

from the left on

the triumphant return of these three American citizens?

That's a real stunner, Glenn.

I can't understand why that would happen.

I know, but this one is a pretty big.

I mean, this is, there's no partisan politics in this one at all.

This is a great American story.

Because I'm, you know, as I said, somewhat skeptical of whether in 10 years we'll look back at this North Korea thing and be excited about it.

I don't know.

I mean, I'm really hopeful, and we've come a long way.

But we won't know for 10 years.

We won't know.

We won't know until Trump is long out of office whether this actually works or not.

And so I'm a skeptic on that.

However, whether you're a skeptic on that or not, these are three people coming back.

In a way, and it's somewhat similar to this, you know, but much better than what happened with Iran.

I mean, we paid them a bunch of money and they gave us their hostages.

While I thought that was a terrible idea, I'm still glad our hostages are back.

Here, this is real hope, and the hostages are back.

We haven't given up anything yet.

So, this is considerably better.

Both scenarios, though, I'm glad that they're back on our soil.

But I'm just, I'm, I mean, it shows how deeply

disturbed the people in the media have become.

I will say, I heard a very lengthy segment on CNN earlier today in which they were pretty complimentary about the way it went down.

There has been some.

There has been some.

And, you know, with Trump, I think that's as good as you're ever going to get.

You know, honestly, he could, you know,

they hate him, obviously.

And it's not universal.

I mean, there are those exceptions.

And I have to tell you,

I wrote to our editor this morning and said, hello.

You know, where's the video?

Where are the stories?

Because the stories are remarkable.

These three men are remarkable people.

I I haven't seen enough of that yet.

Yeah, they're really, they're all three devout Christians who were in North Korea trying to help people.

You know, they were all three teachers.

They may have been involved in underground activity of trying to help Christians in North Korea.

I don't personally have a problem with that.

I mean, I think that makes them heroic.

I don't think that they were CIA spies, but I also am not sure that they weren't there,

you know, undermining the

atheist aspect of North Korea by trying to help, you know, believers and help people escape.

And I don't have a problem with, you want to escape

a concentration camp-riddled communist country?

I'm all for these guys.

I think they're heroes and they're returning.

And

we should recognize the triumph here, but also who these guys really are.

Welcome home

to

three

Americans.

They're all

South Koreans or Koreans

and moved to the United States, naturalized U.S.

citizen.

The first one is Kim Dong-chul.

He was taken by the North Korean police

on October 2nd, 2015.

He was accused of spying.

He is a resident of Virginia, and we all know that if you live in Virginia, what else is in Virginia, Stu?

Yeah.

The farm.

The farm.

The farm.

CIA.

The CIA.

Yeah.

So if you're a resident of Virginia, you know what I'm saying?

Right.

So

he became.

You're very good.

He became an American citizen in 1987.

He's lived with his wife in China since 2001.

He worked just across the North Korean border in a special economic zone where he ran a hotel service company.

He is also a pastor.

This is his biggest crime, I'll bet you.

Very little was known about his status until a news crew interviewed him during their visit in January 2016.

He told reporters during a news conference organized by Kim Jong-un that he was a spy.

He apologized for stealing military secrets in confusion with South Koreans and called his own actions unpardonable.

And you have to take his word on that one.

Oh, yeah, he was in the hands of the North Koreans.

Of course.

North Korea accused him of receiving a USB drive and various papers containing nuclear secrets during a meeting with a defector of the regime.

One day after the trial, he was sentenced to 10 years

of hard labor for his supposed espionage.

The previous victims of the regime regime have explained that they were also forced to make similar public declarations of their guilt after being tortured, despite being innocent.

So

that's number one guy.

Number two that came home yesterday was Kim

Hak Song, otherwise known as Jin,

I think it's Zhu Song.

He had been working at the University of Science and Technology in Pyongyang.

How do you say the Pyongyang?

Pyongyang?

Yeah, Pyongyang.

Pyongyang.

So it's Pyongyang.

Pyongyang.

Pyongyang.

Pyongyang.

Pungyang.

Pyongyang.

Pyongyang.

Pyungyang.

I'm glad I live in America.

Okay?

I wouldn't be able to be Asian.

I can't appropriate anybody's culture because I can't speak it.

I can barely speak this.

I can barely speak English.

It's your only line between a sumo wrestler.

Wait, what?

So, Pyongyang.

Pyongyang.

Pungyang.

Pyongyang.

Pyongyang.

I don't know.

I can't hear the difference.

Really?

Yeah, anyway,

we're going to call it Pust from here because it's Pyongyang

University of Science and Technology, P-U-S-T.

Anyway, he was working for that in Pyongyang.

He was undertaking agricultural development

and working with the school's farm.

So people from Pyongyang

were trying to figure out how to farm, which would be a good thing.

In Pyongyang.

Because there's no farm.

There's no food.

Not a lot of food going on,

unfortunately.

So he was arrested at a railway station in

Pyongyang, probably.

I'm just guessing at this point, but you look at me and I think I should probably say Pyongyang.

Yeah.

On suspicion of committing

Pyongyang.

No, hostile acts against the government.

He was boarding a train headed for his home in Dangdong, China.

Kim, he's in his

mid-50s.

He was born in China, educated at the University of California.

He returned to China after 10 years of living in the U.S., where he is a citizen.

It was founded, the university that he

was working for, founded by evangelical Christians overseas and opened in 2010.

They have a number of American faculty members or did.

Pupils are generally children from the North's elite.

Not known whether he was

sentenced for his supposed hostile acts.

We have no idea why he was even in prison.

Then there's Kim Sang-duk,

Korean-American, Kim Sang-dunk, known as Tony Kim, which I like much better.

You're going to go with his, also known as I'm going to go as Tony Kim.

He was arrested at the main airport in

Pyongyang

as he tried to leave leave the country after teaching several weeks as a guest lecturer at Pust.

So he was at the same university.

Same university.

He's a former professor of University of Science and Technology in China, which is close to the Korean border.

His website lists his specialties as accounting.

And I'm guessing that you get an accountant and steal the accounting secrets of North Korea.

Weak off.

A lot of zeros to add up over there.

Right.

He graduated from the University of California, Riverside in 1990.

A master's degree in business administration.

Again, steal their business and accounting secrets, and we rule the world.

He is in his late 50s.

He was involved in relief activities for children in rural parts of North Korea.

He is, according to sources, a religiously devoted man.

So these are all, all three of these guys are evangelical Christians who seem to be motivated to go over there to help people.

He was detained with his wife at the Sunan International Airport 2017 while waiting for a flight.

Police later arrested Kim, but did not explain why.

His wife was allowed to leave the country.

Pusk said the arrest was not related to his work at the university.

In his Facebook post, Kim Sung said that his family had no contact with him since the arrest, and he didn't know until last night that he is soon to become a grandfather.

Oh, wow.

So these are the three Americans that came home yesterday.

And all this happened in or around

Pung Yang.

Pungyang Yang.

Pung Yang.

Pung Yang.

I don't ever have to go.

I don't really care.

I was listening to some of the journalists who were there, and they had to just wait in the lobby of the hotel because you can't leave.

You can't walk out of the street

without a government

chaperone.

So they sat in the lobby of the hotel waiting for Pompeo to go up and do

his negotiation, and they would come down and they would update the journalists as they sat in the lobby.

And the word is that they, including Pompeo, no one knew if they were taking them out.

He didn't know if he was meeting Kim Jong-un while he was there, and he did not know for sure that they were taking them out.

Fingers crossed, but no actual knowledge that they were going to be able to remove the prisoners last night.

I mean, it's been rumored for weeks, but they did not know for sure that they were going to actually get them out of there.

What is it like to live in a state that is that clamped down?

I mean, I don't ever want to know.

I'm a little freaked out that we might be going that direction.

But what is it like to live in a state like that?

Jeez, I mean, I can't even imagine it.

So much that you take for granted is just gone.

I mean, you can't walk outside by yourself.

Again, it's typical.

of Americans and myself to complain about many things that,

you know, when you have something that's very, very good, which has been the United States for its history,

when you see flaws in that, it's the only thing you notice.

It's like a pretty face with a scar on it, right?

Like it's the first thing you might notice.

That being said, it's a hell of a lot better than what the heck's going on over there.

Well, what's going on over there is, you know, for instance, you have a complaint, you don't make the complaint.

You don't question the state ever.

And

we think that we're so very religiously tolerant.

However, there are problems here in the United States.

If you are, I mean, to me, what these guys did is they went over and they were evangelical Christians and they were helping people.

I'm guessing that's why.

They weren't actually spying on accounting secrets.

No, they were not spying on accounting secrets.

I think they were just Christians helping possibly undercover Christians.

And to be clear, when you do something like that, you know.

This is the risk.

You know that the North Korean regime may put you in prison forever, and you do it because you believe what you're doing is more important than what happens to you.

And that's why these guys are heroes.

There are two stories.

One is on the blaze today,

and the other one is at Glenbeck.com.

Two stories, same subject, and I think they're the only ones you're going to find anywhere about what's happening here in Dallas with religious persecution.

And, you know, the Christians have been, you know, all up in arms about religious persecution.

And the ones who are really leading the charge on this this time are the the Jews.

I mean, it's amazing what the Jewish people have done

in Syria and trying to ring the bell in Syria.

I find it remarkable.

This time, it's not Christians that are in trouble.

It is

Jews that are in trouble.

Here in Dallas.

In the United States, you know, we all think that we can all live together and live side by side.

There is a rabbi who

is not allowed to hold religious services in a place that he's been holding religious services for like, I don't know, 10, 15 years.

What's crazy about this story is, at first you kind of go, well, maybe there's some religious persecution.

I don't know.

I mean, maybe, do they have a point?

You know,

you never want to jump to, hey, this is happening because of what that person believes.

This is the only thing that you can come up with because the last hurdle, they've wanted to have a synagogue, and the city keeps rejecting and rejecting and rejecting and rejecting and keep adding new things.

Oh, you got to do this, got to do this, got to do this, got to do this.

Well, they do all of it,

and then the city says, Nope, you got to do this, and they do that, nope, you got to do this.

Well, what the hell's happening here?

And the latest rejection, the one that caught my eye, was that they needed a parking variance

for Saturdays.

Okay,

well, um, hmm.

Why would we need a parking variance for Saturdays?

Because

Saturday is the Sabbath, and anyone who is coming to synagogue is walking because no Orthodox Jew can drive a car.

Why do we need a variance?

I can't operate until

you grant me a variance which you won't grant me for parking, which we won't use on Saturday?

So, one of the real strong organizations that stand up for religious liberty,

we've had him on the show many, many times, is involved in this fight.

And we have the rabbi coming in, and

he's going to tell this story.

There's something really wrong here with this.

And if we believe in religious liberty, we have to uncover the

wounds that are currently being inflicted.

Forget about the past.

Let's take care of the things that are currently happening.

And we'll bring that story to you.

You can read that story at theblaze.com or at Glennbeck.com.

And we have them coming in

in just a minute.

But I really think that we need to rally around.

You know, should you find this story valid?

I do.

But should you find this story valid, I think we really need to rally around and change this behavior.

There is an opportunity for Christians and Jews to come together, unlike I've ever seen, unlike ever before in history.

A miracle is happening.

Let's make sure that

our communities know that we need to trust each other and we need to stand hand in hand with Judeo-Christian ethics.

We're in this one together.

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Is it Thursday today?

Uh, I think it's Thursday today.

Oh, my gosh, one at

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You know, when you hear this story,

when you hear this story that's happening in Dallas,

it's really, truly unbelievable.

We'll share it coming up here in just a second.

Also, be joined by First Liberty Institute.

These guys are, they're remarkable what they do.

Okay, Stu.

What else do we have that we have to get to today?

We have an unbelievable third hour.

Have you read this yet, Stu?

The World Without Mind, The Existential Threat of

Big Tech?

I read a piece

about this.

Yes, I have not read it.

Really good?

Yeah,

this guy is scary.

He's really frightening.

He's talking about now deep fakes.

And deep fakes are something that we've been talking about for maybe five years and saying, you know, you're not going to be able to believe your eyes

because

AI will be so good at imitating you

and they'll be able to make you do anything.

You won't be able to believe your ears.

You won't be able to believe your eyes.

And he says, fake news, just the beginning.

In the next five years, you won't believe anything.

Now, what does that mean?

What does that mean to humanity?

It's a deeper conversation that we must have.

We can talk about all the problems that are happening now, but the problems just caused by tech that are just over the horizon are crippling if we don't deal with them now.

It's true.

And

this builds nicely off of what we saw from Google yesterday,

where they are now, the new Google assistant will make phone calls to reserve restaurants for you.

And you can't tell the difference.

You can't tell the difference.

You cannot tell the difference between a human and the Google assistant.

And it's great.

It's really, really great.

But with that come heavy, heavy prices to pay in our freedom and in our privacy.

Glenn Beck.

So I want you to imagine

that

you're living in a neighborhood and you walk to church.

every you know, every Sunday, and

you've moved there because the church is great and you want to walk to church.

And then somebody in the neighborhood moves in after about a decade and doesn't like that and wants to change all the rules and wants your church to shut down and starts using

all of these little petty things to irritate, to frustrate, and to get you to move.

After a while, you might just say, you know what, let's just go.

Especially if your church was in a house and it wasn't a big, you know, edifice that cost you a lot of money to build.

But now

let me change one variable.

You belong to a church that requires you to walk on Sundays.

So you can't live very far from the church.

And you and all of your other congregants, you moved into that neighborhood because the church was there.

So you paid the price.

You may have passed on a house that you really wanted someplace else, but you couldn't have it because you couldn't walk to church.

So now, all of you, if the church goes out, you all have to move.

You all have to change schools with your kids.

You have to change your entire life just because one guy says, I don't want you in my neighborhood.

Now,

how would you feel

if the thing he was complaining about

was you didn't have a parking variance for your Sabbath?

Remember, no one in the congregation can drive, so there are no cars being parked on the Sabbath.

Would you begin to say, I think something's wrong here?

That is the story that is happening here in Dallas, as I understand it.

And it's not a church.

It's a synagogue.

It's a Jewish place of worship.

And

the people had

been going to synagogue on Saturday.

It never caused a problem until one guy moved in.

And now they're on the ropes.

We have Jeremy Dice.

He is the deputy general counsel of First Liberty Institute.

Chelsea Yeoman, she is counsel on this particular case.

And Rabbi Yaakov Rich, who is the rabbi of the congregation and now a client, unfortunately, of First Liberty Institute.

Do I have the general story right?

Is that kind of what's happening here?

That's exactly what's happening.

Our clients are so tenacious, and they have been dealing with obstacle after obstacle now for the last few years at the hands of these neighbors that you mentioned, and at the hands of an HOA.

They're now in their third lawsuit, and all they want to do is live out faithfully, be able to walk on the Sabbath to their small synagogue that meets in a small home in their neighborhood.

Which is totally fine

with all zoning in Texas.

I mean, right?

You can have a church or a synagogue or anything in your house.

That's right.

It's actually illegal for a city to say a church can't meet in a zone in Texas.

I mean, think about it.

Our churches could be excluded from any jurisdiction if zoning laws were enforced in this way.

Right.

And there is no problem with this.

I want you to take me down the road and maybe, Rabbi, I don't know who would be best to tell this story, but you were fine, and the HOA was fine until this guy moves into the neighborhood long after you guys have been there.

And he complains to the HOA, and the HOA says, we have no problem.

And then he starts a campaign to smear the HOA.

and get people to move away, some of them get some of them so crazy that they just had to move away.

And others, he he put people on the hoa

specifically it seems to come after you guys correct eventually he became the president of the hoa it was a it was a personal lawsuit from him then he joined the hoa became the president got board members to join people to join the board pardon me and it became a lawsuit from the hoa against the synagogue and we were very isolated because we are members of the hoa in that community and the hoa was coming after us.

But the HOA before, you hadn't changed anything before he got there.

Nothing.

The HOA was fine.

In fact, the head of the HOA said to him when he first complained, he said, no, you don't understand.

No, this is fine.

This is all fine.

Let's just learn to live together.

Yeah.

Let's be neighborly.

Let's be neighbors.

And we're walking to the synagogue.

And it's actually quite nice.

And once the lawsuit came, tremendous anxiety on the part of the membership of the synagogue.

We're talking about 25 families maximum.

It's all the people who live within walking distance, and everybody's nervous.

We have to sell our house.

We have to go look somewhere.

Like you explained so beautifully and eloquently at the beginning, you're literally going to have to disrupt your entire life.

Yep.

And if I'm not mistaken, I mean, first of all, when he moved in,

he claims this is hurting his

resale value of his house, right?

But is his house up for sale?

And was his house property,

was it affected in home prices when he bought it?

Because you guys have been doing it for 10 years before.

Well, I think that's the excuse that every HOA complainant usually has.

This is going to hurt my home values.

This is the perfect confluence of government bureaucracy overrun, everybody's favorite neighbor, the HOA,

and the rights of religious liberty here and the free exercise of that on certain property.

And as Chelsea pointed out, they have a right to be able to be there as a matter of right under the city city ordinance here.

What we're quibbling over right now, after many rounds of discussions with the city of Dallas, is over six parking spaces.

For goodness sake, for a congregation that doesn't drive on the Sabbath, you would think that that would be a simple solution here to allow people to go there.

But, you know, I think underlying all this is exactly what you pointed out.

There is a desire to push back on this specific group of religious exercise.

As I don't know if it was mentioned earlier, but remember, Rabbi Rich had his car vandalized with the spray painting of a swastika on it.

I didn't know that.

They've had to get a grant from the federal government to maintain better security at their place of worship because of the threats that have come in here.

But that's exactly what happens when we don't allow people to have the freedom to peacefully exercise their religious beliefs.

And that's why First Liberty has been involved in this case from the beginning.

I'm sorry, Rabbi, that somebody did that to you, and I'm sorry for all of your congregants that no longer feel that they are safe in their own neighborhood.

Yeah, pretty disconcerting.

And we had the mezuzah, which is the parchment that we put on the doorway, ripped off, and it was thrown about 20 feet in front of the door on the sidewalk in front.

So, I mean, these things happened all around the same time when the lawsuit was coming, and

it was very, very difficult as a rabbi of a congregation.

People were

the fear and the anxiety and the isolation was tremendous, difficult thing to deal with.

So what is the solution here?

I mean, are we down to, because

the HOA keeps saying, if I'm not mistaken, you got to do this and then you do it.

And then you got to do this and then you do it.

You got to do this, then you do it.

And there's this never-ending laundry list.

Is that accurate?

That's accurate.

We actually won the lawsuit against the HOA, and then they punted the ball to the city of Dallas.

And so that's where we are now in a separate lawsuit with the city of Dallas, who, as you mentioned, just continued to issue this laundry list item after item after item for the congregation to do.

And because my clients want to be good neighbors and they want to resolve this amicably, they've met every single requirement on that list over years now.

They have done every single thing the city required.

And ironically, the last thing the city asked of them was to get a parking variance.

And so even though, as we mentioned, they walk on the Sabbath,

it's an equivalent of six spots that they're looking for, we still went, We still applied at the city's request to get the variants and were ultimately denied.

So that's where first.

Wait, so the city says you have to get one and then the city won't give them one.

That's right.

That's right.

Okay.

So it's bureaucracy at its best.

And why won't they give you the variants?

Well, they really just listened to the HOA.

The HOA showed up.

They took off work four days to come to all of these hearings to testify person after person against our congregation and say, we like religious liberty, but we don't want a synagogue here.

And I think that's the message we want every listener and every viewer to understand is really your Bible study could be next.

Your church could be next if a neighborhood decides that they just like religious liberty, but not really your religious liberty.

I think it's, if I may, I think it is worse

for Jews than my Bible study because I can choose to have my Bible study at somebody else's house.

Okay?

So it's a lot easier.

But Rabbi, if I'm not mistaken, sorry for butchering this, but there has to be, for you to actually have a congregation, don't you have to have, I don't even remember what it's called, a wire that runs around.

An A-roof.

Okay, right?

Yes.

So you've had that for how long?

Well, we've had that for, it's been in the neighborhood around 20 years.

It was created originally by a different congregation.

So, but we need that in order just to carry, just to mothers to go with strollers with their children to the synagogue.

Okay, this is part of, this is part of, you know, the Torah, and it is, it's the boundaries of the synagogue.

That's correct.

And so that, just that alone, the maintenance on that is every week, is it not?

Correct.

So there's no way that this, this, this is not like, hey, I just started a Bible study.

This has been

something that everyone is aware of.

If you live in a Jewish community, you know you live in a Jewish community, most likely, because you see a lot of people walking on Friday nights and Saturdays.

Yeah, and don't forget the inequality that's going on here.

If outside of the city of Dallas, this doesn't make as much sense, but if you drive through Dallas, It seems like everybody parks out front of their house.

Nobody uses their driveway or their garage in the city of Dallas.

They park outside their house.

So really wouldn't know if this is a game night that's taking place or is this just the Oprah Book of the Month Club that happens to be meeting this week.

It really is no different than all of those things.

But because these individuals

are

somewhat visually, obviously going to a place of worship here, they've been specifically targeted here, right?

And that's where the clear discrimination has come out here.

They're not targeting the Oprah Book of the Month Club.

They're targeting people who are walking to go and have their prayers.

I will tell you,

there is a Jewish community here that is right by our My Faith's temple.

We have a temple, and

to us, they're very sacred.

I mean, we sift the dirt like 10 feet from the topsoil to take out any imperfections in the, you know, make sure there's no bottle caps or we take it seriously,

and it's sacred ground.

When my faith found out that there was a synagogue on the other side, which they knew, but they had never heard that

the community, the religious community, says there's a Mormon tax because on one side of the temple, the houses are cheaper than the other side because it takes the property is so huge that it takes, I think it's an extra three-quarters of a mile walk.

So people want to live on the other side.

My faith is putting a gate, which I have never, ever seen.

I think it's the first time in our history that we're putting a gate on our fence so the religious people,

the religious community,

can walk across our property to get and not be, and not have to worry about, well, I have to pay more to live on this side because of this property blocking the way.

I want you to know that

there are millions of Christians who are not like this neighbor and this HOA.

And we are not living in the 1930s and the 1940s anymore.

And there are millions of Christians of all kinds of faith that feel that way.

What's happening here is wrong.

What is happening here is

sheer bigotry.

It is clear, sheer bigotry.

So how can we help?

Well, I'd like to say this is the only case we have going on and that this is the only situation, But we represent other synagogues throughout the country.

We represent other churches and other religious bodies throughout the country, all over the United States, that are fearing the same issue here.

In fact, we're looking into a situation right now where they describe themselves as an underground synagogue for fear of the local community rising against them on these issues.

But I would encourage folks to go to firstliberty.org.

Let us figure out how we can help you.

If you've got a situation, if it's your Bible study, if it's your Sabbath worship, whatever it might be, if you're having an issue with religious land use, let us work with you.

Let us evaluate that situation.

For those of you that aren't facing that issue, I want you to understand we provide legal services to Rabbi Rich and others pro bono.

It's for free.

He'll never get a bill from us.

And the good news is we usually win our cases at First Liberty.

So if you're able to, if you need help, go to firstliberty.org, let us help you out.

But if you can help out this issue as well, help us provide these legal services, go to firstliberty.org and invest in these types of issues.

What's the next turn in this case?

Well, we filed our appeal of the city's denial, and we're really, really just hoping for, as I mentioned, an amicable resolution that allows our congregants to pray where they live and to live where they pray.

That's what we want to happen.

You're not alone.

You're not alone, Rabbi.

And it won't stand.

It won't stand.

God is a God of miracles, and it won't stand.

Thank you.

Thank you for your support and for getting our message out.

We appreciate it.

Anything we can do, you let us know.

And anything we can do First Liberty, you let us know.

And please keep us up to date on this story.

We'll do.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You can read all about it at theblaze.com.

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Glenn back.

I mean, what's truly remarkable about that story is this congregation, this is not like a new neighborhood.

This is a neighborhood that has had a congregation of Jewish people for 20 years.

Sorry, I don't remember what it's called again.

He just said, what was it?

It's an aerial wire that goes around.

Right.

I had never heard of that before.

I pride myself in having almost no cultural knowledge whatsoever.

Eruv?

Is that an E-R-U-V?

Maybe.

And it's a wire that goes all the way around the district, if you will, of the the synagogue.

And so you have to stay within that wire.

It's how many steps you can take.

You know, it's all Torah stuff, all Old Testament.

And so

it is

a defining wire, and it also has other

things to it.

I don't know.

Please forgive me if you're Jewish.

But it's really important.

In fact, the rabbi has to walk it every week, like Thursday.

And if it is broken, the city, at least in New York, the city had to come up and repair it.

So they would walk every Thursday, and it has to be repaired before the Sabbath.

So it's a really big deal.

That's not something like, hey, we're just moving in.

We're just going to have a Bible study.

No, no, this is completely different.

This is completely different.

I don't know why the Bible study person keeps sounding so crazy when you imitate him.

God died, a Bible study.

Why does he sound like that?

I don't know.

I don't know.

But I mean, it's just because it's because it's just anybody could do that.

Anybody could do that.

You know what I mean?

And you can move it if you need to.

Right.

I mean, if I was having a Bible study, we could go over to Pat's house or we could go over to your house and we can drive.

That's not the same with a Torah study.

Another question that popped into my head as we were listening to this is, why on earth would you want to live in a community if you felt this way about the people in it?

You move into a Jewish community and you just harass them for years?

Like, what is that?

And let me ask you, what's easier for that one guy to move or for 25 families to move?

Yeah, and why did he move into that?

Why did he move there in the first place?

I don't know.

This has been there for a long time.

Why is he in that community?

Probably because he didn't know.

How would you not know?

You've got a wire around an entirely different city.

No, you don't really notice those things.

Unless you know, you don't notice.

I mean, it's a big deal.

Seems incredibly unlikely.

You just didn't look at the house on a Friday and Saturday and saw a bunch of Orthodox.

The real estate agent doesn't know about the...

I mean, what are the odds of it?

I mean, it's

like, I don't know it seems like it's just a harassment issue it is a harassment and it seems like an anti-Semitic harassment and it's got to stop

so I don't know about anybody else but I had a hard time with the confirmation hearings didn't even even watch them yesterday honestly we are we are really becoming like I don't care anymore

this one is this one's really important first of all

Haspel is being confirmed now for the director role of the CIA.

Let me tell you something.

Looks can be deceiving.

I mean, she's the director of the CIA.

She looks like, I don't know, everybody's mom or grandmom.

She totally reminds me of my grandmother, my mom's mom.

Yeah, I mean, she's just like, oh, come on, I just made you a pie.

And I'm also the director of the CIA.

I mean, what?

Looks are deceiving here a little bit.

And quite honestly, if she's ever done any operations on her, if she was ever an agent, that says to me that everything you ever heard that like the Tom Cruise of the world, you know, never are hired by the CIA.

Everyone always says, no, the CIA, you'll never see them.

They're so plain Jane and normal that they just blend in.

You would never hire a really good-looking CIA agent.

Well, and she was, at least that's.

Not that she's not a, you know what I mean.

Not a, not a model.

We knew what you meant there.

A critique of someone's appearance.

Because she was white.

No, it's because she was, the talk was that she was the subject, or at least a partial inspiration for Zero Dark 30.

You remember that movie that came out a few years ago, which was an awesome movie.

Awesome.

But it was Jessica.

Wasn't it Jessica Chastain in that?

I don't remember.

I don't think I saw that one.

So good.

I mean, it's such a good movie.

But it shows, it was the movie that a lot of people were talking about at the time because because it showed how much information they actually got out of the interrogations and how effective they were, which, you know, is true.

You know, a lot of people like to say it's not.

I understand there's people, you know, like John McCain, for example, who's in the middle, you know, he's in the middle of a real struggle and he comes out and he's still talking about how he's, you know, he's against torture and all those things.

And it's, I understand it.

And he has a real point of

evidence to have a real strong opinion

of reference.

To have an incredibly strong opinion, and no one

would hold it back.

But

the truth is that

whether it's right or wrong, it does work.

And in this particular circumstance, it wasn't torture,

in my opinion.

But the movie is fantastic.

I don't know that Jessica Chastain and Gina Haspell really have that much in common in several ways.

Right.

What I would say.

Okay.

Age, for example.

They don't seem to be.

She does not seem to be.

So you're an ageist.

Okay.

I am an ageist.

I We understand.

Okay.

So here she is.

Now,

she is being questioned by the people who were,

let's be honest, fine about all of this right after 9-11.

Yep.

And I remember saying to the CIA on the air, if you're a CIA person, if you're a military person, you're asked to do this, make sure that the Senate and Congress are on record because they're going to turn around and blame you.

And that's exactly what they've done.

Okay, so here she is correcting Feinstein.

In his memoir, former CIA Consul General John Rizzo described how in 2005, Jose Rodriguez was promoted to be Deputy CIA Director for Operations and installed as his chief of staff, an officer from the Counterterrorist Center who had previously run the interrogation program.

Is that you?

Senator, I'm so pleased you asked me that question.

Yes or no will do.

No.

And for the record,

if you have your staff checked, Mr.

Rizzo has issued a correction.

It is true that it is hard for in a secret

understanding

recently confirmed that it was you.

No, he issued a correction.

And she does seem to be right on that, by the way.

There was a correction issued.

Many news sources, there's been a couple that have tried to hang by their reporting against all evidence.

But it does appear that she did not oversee

those events.

I'm just having a hard time seeing her, you know, be like, hmm,

you know what?

I'm busy.

I'm busy right now getting the kids off to school and stuff, but rip his fingernails out.

I'm having our biscuits in the oven.

And when we're done with that, we'll do the waterboarding.

I mean, I'm just having a hard time seeing her that way, but maybe that's just me.

But again,

a lot of this comes down to a moment in time, right?

And, you know, at the time, something that we do in training for our military would never have been considered torture when it comes to a terrorist right around September 11th.

No, and again, we do it to our own troops.

So if we do it to our own troops, why isn't anybody up in arms that our military is torturing our own military?

You ever heard someone on the left come out and say, we need to stop this on our troops?

Never.

Never?

Never.

I've literally never heard it once.

I'm sure somebody's done it at some point.

But I mean,

I've never heard lengthy pleas about how important it is that we stop waterboarding our troops during training.

If it's torture, of course you would want that to stop immediately.

But it's because they know it's not, right?

They know it's incredibly unpleasant.

They know that it's incredibly effective.

They know that they can win political points by calling it torture.

Those are the three things they know.

So

here she is

answering a question, taking Rhode Island

Democrat Senator Jack Reed

to task.

Listen to this.

You have an operations officer who's captured.

He's being waterboarded.

I've asked you very simply, would you determine that to be immoral and something that should never be done, condoned in any way, shape, or form?

Your response seems to be that civilized nations don't do it, but uncivilized nations do it, or uncivilized groups do it.

The United States does it.

A civilized nation was doing it until it was outlawed by this Congress.

Senator, I would never

obviously support inhumane treatment of any CIA officers.

We have lost CIA officers over the years to terrorists.

I just gave an example.

Khaled Sheikh Mohammed personally killed a Wall Street Journal correspondent and filmed that.

I don't think there's any comparison between CIA officers serving their country, adhering to U.S.

law, and terrorists who, by their very definition, are not following anybody's law.

But to the people in Congress, not so much.

Even though we told you this was going to happen and we warned the CIA operatives.

They're a weasel.

The minute they change their mind, the minute you've done, I mean, how many episodes of Jack Power do you need to watch before you figure out that the weasels in Washington are going to pin it on you?

You know what I mean?

It happens in every single movie.

They get what they want, and then they pin everything they told you to do on you.

When the real culprit is a Nazi businessman who's manipulating innocent Muslims into terrorism for oil.

For oil.

Jeez.

Yeah.

Let me give one more.

Now, here's a CNN contributor.

His name is Phil Mudd.

He was with the CIA.

Don't usually agree with Phil Mudd, but I do this time.

Listen to this.

I was among the CIA officers 15 years ago who spoke with the Congress in detail about the techniques we used.

They told us this was not torture, that it complied with the Constitution, and that it complied with U.S.

law.

You can vote against Gina Haspell, but don't give me the collective amnesia about how it's on CIA.

I want to talk to the senators who told us that they represented American values.

And conveniently in 2002 and 2003, this represented American values.

Now that we don't face the same threat and that we have different senators, it's okay to attack one of my former colleagues.

I am pissed off.

This is collective amnesia.

We didn't do it.

America did it.

Get over it.

Totally right.

You're going to be a CIA agent if you think that the government can turn on you and say, wait a minute, what you did, which was law and which was fine at the time, we're now going to destroy you?

No way.

It's the only positive about not having term limits is that many of these senators were in, I mean, they were actually did meetings on the Civil War,

the Gulf War,

and

the war in Iraq.

And because of that,

people like Feinstein were around for those briefings.

They were there.

They knew these things happened and they're just lying to you now.

When Feinstein says she remembers the Cold War, she's most likely talking about the Revolutionary War when they had to burn firewood.

It's so cold.

It was Cold War.

I remember it being very cold.

Crossing that river in the winter?

Are you kidding me?

I said I'm not getting into the boat.

All right, let me tell you about

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The volatility in the world.

Can you think of a time, Stu, that is more,

I mean, up in the air right now?

Where you'd really don't know what's going to happen tomorrow as far as the globe.

Yeah.

I mean, geez, the Middle East is...

And the good thing is there is...

Maybe it comes out okay on the other end, but

we really don't know.

We have no idea.

That's why we're sending people into the Middle East for our reporters.

Please pray for them.

You guys be there.

Just look for things falling on you.

If there's something that looks very bright and is coming towards you, go the other direction.

You're right.

Look at the pretty falling star.

Run.

Anyway,

things are, you know, all up in the air.

Yesterday, it could be the beginning of a war between Israel and Iran, and that is the next war, whether it started

last night or not.

I don't know.

Next week, my gosh, we're opening the embassy there in Jerusalem.

What could happen there?

How about North Korea?

Even if things stay stable and the economy continues to grow, inflation is going to grow as well because we're starting to spend the money and that's when inflation happens.

And so our interest rates, like Venezuela announced Friday, 40% interest rate.

Now, when interest rate or

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Glenn Beck.

Sarah, can we play

the

Google announcement yesterday or day before yesterday, where they

talked about the new Google Assistant and how how good it's going to be.

And I want to play the one if we can with the Chinese restaurant.

I mean, here's, you know what it's like talking to Siri.

It's like talking to a computer.

It understands half of what you're saying.

But technology has grown a great deal.

And we are helping it with Google Home and all of these things.

It's learning how to communicate.

Listen to how now the new Google Assistant can navigate language so well.

It's calling this Chinese restaurant trying to make an appointment or a reservation for four people a week from Wednesday.

And

the one trying to get the reservation is the computer.

The guy.

The guy is the computer.

Listen.

Let's say you want to call a restaurant, but maybe it's a small restaurant which is not easily available to book online.

The call actually goes a bit differently than expected.

So take a listen.

Hi, um I'd like to preserve a table for Wednesday the 7th

for 7 people

it's for 4 people.

For people when

Wednesday at 6 p.m.

Actually we leave here for like up for like five people.

people you can come.

How long is the wait usually to be seated?

For

when tomorrow or weekday or?

For next Wednesday, the 7th.

Oh, no, it's not too busy.

You can come for four people, okay?

Oh, I gotcha.

Thanks.

Bye-bye.

Unbelievable.

Improving.

Unbelievable.

So, this is all good.

They also announced that that soon Google is going to be able to write emails for you in your voice.

I mean, imagine the scandals.

You'll have, you know, because like the Anthony Wiener excuse when he was starting texted, you know, pictures to nine-year-olds was like, oh, I got hacked.

That's kind of the standard excuse.

Now, of course, hacking is real, and sometimes you could theoretically be hacked, but it's usually just an excuse.

The same thing is going to apply here.

Oh, Google wrote that email.

I didn't even write it.

Do you remember eight months ago, I had William Hurtling on, he's an author, and I read about five of his books all

in like a week, a week and a half.

Um, I think it was the Avogadro Corp was the name of his book.

That

it starts, it's the first in the series, and it starts with

AI writing email and what links it will go to to

accomplish its goals, which are your goals, or in his case, the inventor's goal.

Um,

it has access to everything for it to learn

and write in your voice and know what is what you want it has to read everything it has to read all of your email has to listen to your conversations has to uh read your facebook your interactions with people on facebook i mean it is

you want to talk about no privacy this would be it we say well i don't want google is google reading my email?

Now they're going to openly admit it when they say, oh, by the way, they can write emails for you, but it's got to read all of your email.

It's reading it.

It's understanding it.

It's understanding the person on the other end.

It's all connected.

I mean, it is a brave new world that is coming our way.

We have Franklin Foyer on.

He is a guy who wrote a really pretty bone-chilling article about deep fakes and how you're not going to have real privacy and you're not really going to be able to believe your eyes at all on anything very, very soon.

Name of his book is World Without Mind, The Existential Threat to Big Tech.

He joins us to talk about this next.

Glenn back.

In the high-tech world of espionage, sometimes the best way to steal information may still be the old school spycraft, like, you know, talking to humans and writing things down on paper.

Of course, it's also the old school way of getting caught, and that is exactly what happened to former CIA agent Jerry Chung Shin Li.

It hadn't been easy to catch him.

He's a 53-year-old guy.

He was a naturalized U.S.

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He left in 2007.

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Now, Li is suspected of giving the Chinese information that caused caused the death or imprisonment of 20 American agents in China.

Starting in 2010, the CIA began to notice that all of our agents started to just disappear in China.

The CIA suspected that there was a traitor, and so they asked the FBI to investigate.

Two years later, the FBI suspected Lee, so they lured him with a phony job offer to get him to fly to the U.S.

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So they went to work and they built their case.

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The FBI finally got their chance to arrest Lee in January when he took a commercial flight from Hong Kong to New York City and yesterday, a federal grand jury charged him with illegally possessing classified information.

Prosecutors say Chinese agents offered Lee a gift of $100,000 in exchange for his cooperation and a promise that they would take care of him for life.

All they wanted were the names of people that worked for the CIA.

Imagine.

Giving up 20 lives for $100,000.

Prosecutors say Lee prepared written reports for the Chinese, deposited hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash in his personal accounts, and lied to the FBI about his activities overseas.

This is a devastating betrayal for our CIA and our intelligence agencies, foremost because of the executed agents, but also because the massive amounts of time it takes to groom new sources and informants, this is not something that the United States is going to recover from quickly.

If it is confirmed that Lee's information was the cause of the death and imprisonment of 20 agents in China, it will be the worst intelligence

breach since Robert Hansen.

Do you remember him?

He was caught passing secrets to Russia in the 1990s.

And do you remember what a big deal that was?

Now?

Has anybody even heard of this guy?

So far, Lee has only been charged with possessing classified information, but he still could get life if he's convicted.

Here's what you need to know today.

Make no mistake about it.

We are deep into some sort of a new war.

And perhaps it's a Cold War with China.

But this time, China has eclipsed Russia as our chief rival in that Cold War.

It's Thursday, May 10th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

So on this program, we've been talking about technology quite a bit over the last few years, the good things and the bad things, the good things that are coming our way, the profound opportunities that are coming our way because of technology, the problems that that technology may cause, for instance, you know, jobs.

We're looking at the job numbers upside down.

People who are working on AI and robotics are looking at how can we have 100% unemployment so everybody can enjoy their lives.

Well, with that come some ethical questions and some philosophical questions and the question of how do we navigate that transition.

There's also privacy concerns and concerns about what's real and what's not, way beyond fake news.

There's a new book out

called World Without Mind.

It was written by Franklin Foyer, and he wrote an article that caught my eye a few weeks ago in The Atlantic, The Era of Fake News Begins.

And we wanted to have a conversation with him.

Franklin, welcome to the program.

Thank you so much.

So, Franklin, we talked about deep fakes, I think, before anybody, at least our audience, had really even heard of them.

And at the time, I remember talking to people, even on my own staff, they said, man, this is so far away.

And it's really not.

You know, I kept saying to them, I think in the, you know, 2018, 2020, definitely 2024, this is going to be a very big problem.

It's happening now.

And it's just happening in the dark corners of the internet and largely in the field of pornography, where so much of the internet actually begins before it migrates to the mainstream.

And it's this phenomenon where the average person now has access to technology that allows them to take a head, a picture of someone's face, and very seamlessly transpose it to a body.

And so you're creating these these manipulated images, which to the naked eye are very hard to detect as fakes.

And so we just know that a technology like this is not going to stay bottled up.

It's going to be exploited by bad people for bad ends.

And the fact that it's so democratized and so accessible to every creep, everybody who's got an ex who's out for revenge, to co-workers.

I mean, it really is a dystopian world which we stand on the cusp of.

So, you know, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

And

I am really, truly excited about the world of tomorrow.

But

I'm split, Franklin, between if we don't do it right, if we are not paying attention every step of the way, and we don't have some sort of,

I don't know, self-control,

which we don't display in anything that we do, we could become slaves to this really quickly.

Well, I mean, I think everyone experiences that sense of both possibility and enslavement when it comes to that device that we're all attached to now, which is our phone.

That we're addicted to our phones.

We're constantly manipulated by our phones, which are being used by corporations and by media to try to commandeer our attention on an hourly basis.

We're always being dinged and pinged.

And yet, we know that the phones offer us great possibilities.

They make our lives better, more efficient, in all sorts of ways.

And you raised this question of moderation.

And I do think that that kind of gets to the core challenge to each and every one of us, which is that when it comes to things like food and drink, which are also addictive, right?

Like if you stuck a bag of

Doritos in front of most human beings, they'd be tempted to polish it off.

And yet, we still manage to teach our kids how to practice moderation when it comes to those effective things.

We know how to enjoy food without,

yeah.

But we've had millions of years to come to that, and we've had a shortage of food.

This is, for instance, the Google Assistant that was announced earlier this week.

That is going to be just, that is revolutionary in good

in so many ways.

But if you look at what they're talking about on being able to have it now write all of your emails, well, the logical thing is we're right now saying, I don't want Google reading my mail.

Well, Google's going to be reading your mail and your Facebook.

It's reading it now.

Sorry.

Yeah.

But it's going to read your Facebook.

It's going to read everything about your friends, how you communicate.

It's going to learn how to speak like you and write like you and interact with your friends.

Now you're in a completely different world.

Yeah.

No, I think that that is true.

And so,

you know, and I think what you're saying is that we're actually...

in this world now and and there's a way in which we can't stop it that a lot of these things that we worry about as distant possibilities are actually happening today, that Google's machines are reading your email now and they're using it to serve ads up to you, that this complete dossier about you, this very intimate portrait of the inside of your head, has actually already been compiled by Facebook, by Google.

I mean,

people are just very blasé about data.

But data is really an x-ray of your soul, that these companies have amassed these portraits where they know everything that you've read, everything that you've bought.

It's integrated with data from the outside world, from the physical world about your shopping, the CVS loyalty cards.

And it's a very, very powerful

thing, this portrait.

It can be manipulated really easily.

And in fact, it is manipulated by the likes of Facebook, where Facebook is Facebook knows the things that gives you pleasure, they know the things that cause you an anxiety.

And you know what?

Your news feed is shaped so that the things that you were reading are given a hierarchy by Facebook based on those pleasure points and those anxieties because Facebook wants to keep you engaged on their site for as long as possible.

And so, that's a you know, those technologies and that

portrait of the inside of your head that comes from data is just it leaves us tremendously vulnerable.

You brought something up in your book that was a new way of looking at at this,

at least for me.

I've never heard anybody else express it this way.

And, you know,

nothing is for free.

When Google says,

here's this, it's free.

Here's this free product.

It's not free.

In fact, it's not a product.

You are.

And the way these companies are now viewing us as a product, the information, is really important.

Can you go into the productization of people?

Right.

So it's your attention,

which

you're handing over to these companies.

It's your personal information, which you inadvertently hand over to these companies that then gets marketed to advertisers.

And,

you know, everyone says, well, you know what?

It's this great deal.

You get Google's email for free, and sure, you're surrendering your privacy in order to get that awesome service, but that's a price that you seem to be willing to pay.

But this question of consent: how much do we really understand about what we hand over to these companies when we click accept on those terms of service agreements?

Those terms of service agreements are legalistic and they're long, and I haven't met a single person who's ever read read one of those.

We just click accept because

we treat these companies as if they're acting in good faith.

We feel like we have to accept their services because

you need to be on Facebook in order to be a citizen of the world.

Sometimes your employer tells you you have to be on Facebook in order to be engaged in business.

And so I think that we just need need to I mean, part of it is our it yeah, it is on us.

It is our own fault for not taking not taking the threats to our own privacy seriously.

And it's on us for not thinking through these things in a more

in a more in a more rigorous sort of way.

But on the other hand, we're just left kind of unprotected and vulnerable.

And these companies actually behave so much worse.

than we think that they do.

I mean, all these companies are selling data to outside outside vendors.

They're giving access to our data to outside vendors.

And once it leaves the control of Facebook, who knows where it ends up?

And who knows who's exploiting it?

And when you talk about exploitation of this, I want to take you to another place.

We're going to take a quick break and then come back.

And

I want Franklin to describe the exploitation that is on the horizon on how easily you can be manipulated.

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correspondent with the Atlantic and author of a book called World Without Mind.

He wrote an article called The Era of Fake News Begins.

And, you know, we're complaining back and forth about, you know,

the right is saying fake news, the left is saying fake news.

We're worried about algorithms, et cetera, et cetera.

But we're about to enter a very different world.

And can we talk a little bit about,

first, let's let's explain what a deep fake is and how that could be used to manipulate.

And then I really want to go into virtual reality because that can change everything if we're being manipulated.

Right, right.

And so a deep fake

is a technology that uses machine learning, which is a form of artificial intelligence, in order to stitch together an image.

So, for instance, it's possible to create an image of Barack Obama talking, where

you're taking a catalog of

images of Barack Obama's face that you're able to then manipulate into a video where his lips are moving as if Barack Obama

is actually talking,

yet it's really just the computer that's manipulating those images of his lips talking.

And then there's a a possibility that

a voice can be manipulated by artificial intelligence to then say whatever we program it to say.

And in fact, I recommend there's a pretty hilarious

public service announcement that's done by Jordan Peale, the comedian, where he does this with Barack Obama, where

Barack Obama looks like he's delivering a sermon about the dangers of deep fakes.

And in the middle of this video clip, they then cut to the comedian Jordan Peel, and we see that he's actually impersonating Obama and that Obama isn't saying the things that we think he's saying.

It's being said by this kind of puppeteer who's using Obama as a ventriloquist.

And the dangers of that should be obvious, right?

Right.

Well, and once you get the voice right, which just voice duplication,

the ground that has been covered and how good it is from

two years ago to today is remarkable.

We're not far away from being able to recreate people's voices.

But when you watch that video, the only thing that's off is the voice.

Once you get the voice,

you would swear that that was Barack Obama.

Right, exactly.

And the nature of our machines is that the more data we feed to them, the better that they get.

Correct.

They're constantly teaching themselves to improve.

And so

just given the data that we're,

back to the conversation before the break, when we give these companies our data, every time we click on Facebook, every time we click on Google, every time

you do all these little things on the internet, you're actually supplying the data that makes these machines better, that makes it possible to get to this kind of new dystopian age that we're talking about.

How far away do you think we are from this new dystopian age?

Well, I think

we're kind of in it now.

We're just in the earliest days, and it's just hard to see a lot of the consequences.

When it comes to something like deep fakes and rampant manipulation of video, I think we're still maybe

two or three years away from it becoming something that populates people's social media feeds and actually has meaningful impacts in our

politics and in our social lives.

But

the question that everybody always is asking is, have we already left the age where

is privacy over?

Is there any chance that we can salvage this distinction between a public life and a private life?

Can we take a break here?

Let's take a break here.

And when we come back, I want you to explain that.

And I also want to go into virtual reality a little bit.

On what is private anymore?

Will you have privacy anymore?

We'll wrap up our conversation with Franklin Four.

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Franklin Forer, he is a...

He's a writer.

He has a book out called The World Without Mind, The Existential Threat of Big Tech.

And he is also a correspondent for The Atlantic, where he wrote that article, The Era Fake News Begins.

We're just talking about, we left the conversation with privacy.

And Franklin, people will say, well, I'm not doing anything wrong, so I don't mind if they have it.

However, everything is starting to be connected, and there is no

end

or beginning of your private life and your public life.

And we are seeing not some dystopian movie, but we're actually seeing a government implement all of these dystopian ideas in China.

Yes, yes.

Yes, and that's, I mean, there are two things that really concern me.

The first is that

over time, when we feel like somebody's always looking over our shoulder, we'll cease to be free thinking, independent people.

That in order to formulate an opinion, in order to arrive at your own view of the world, you need to be guided by your conscience.

And in order to do that, you need to be able to turn over ideas in your head.

So if I'm going to explore an idea, I may go read people who I really disagree with in order to figure it out.

I need to try on things.

I need to engage.

I may engage with some odious people in the course of formulating my opinion.

I shouldn't have to worry about that.

But we've already

without technology, we have already passed that.

I mean, that's kind of this, you know, intellectual dark web thing that is so appealing to me is

we have to hear ideas.

Ideas are not dangerous.

You know, they can be if they're implemented, but we need to hear all viewpoints and be allowed to say, wait a minute, I think that's a crazy idea.

We have to have that.

Yeah, well, and it's, I mean, but we're really not in an especially bad place yet relative to where we could be.

So right now, you can still if you want to if you want to find somebody's book, you can find it on Amazon.

You're not going to lose your job.

You don't at least I don't think you should fear losing your job because you go buy a book on Amazon or you go to check out a piece on Google or you listen to somebody's YouTube channel.

But you can easily imagine that once that information becomes kind of more transparently available to everyone, then you actually will, that chilling effect will take take place and you will be scared to do something like that.

And one of the things that I think is...

I mean,

the Atlantic is the place that fired Kevin Williams.

I mean,

Williamson.

I mean, that was pretty chilling.

He had an idea and said something, and it was, you know, to put a thought out there.

And it was, you know, not a thought I agree with, but he lost his job.

It was publicly available, and it's more complicated than just

it's an idea.

It had to do with the way that

it was expressed and communications between the editor and writer, which is a question where there's trust involved.

And so

that's a different question.

But you're right.

I mean, we're not that far off from this universe.

And the China example you just gave at the beginning, I find especially chilling.

Very much.

This question of how do we deal with these companies?

How do we deal with this data?

The idea that ultimately we could end up having a relationship brokered between big companies and the government, which is what's happened plenty of times in our past history, like AT ⁇ T was a monopoly that basically cut a deal with the government.

And

Zuckerberg was asked by one of the senators,

you're a monopoly.

Maybe we should just regulate you.

And he said, you know what?

The internet needs to be regulated.

And it was Lindsey Graham.

And Lindsey Graham said, well,

can you submit a set of regulations that might work to us that we can consider

and and just this idea that you could have this brokered relationship between these companies that control so much data that have so much manipulative power and the government is something that I think that we actually need to be fearful of in the long run and so my my my approach and I think this is an interesting place where we're seeing ideology fracture and strange bedfellows start to come up is that we're starting to talk about monopoly again in this country.

That

liberals typically fear private power, conservatives typically fear public power.

But we're in this realm where our founders were worried about dangerous concentrations of power in all forms, and they were especially concerned about dangerous concentrations of power when it came to areas of communication.

Go ahead and finish up.

Well, I just wanted wanted to say one thing, which is that, you know, at the beginning, you made the point, which I agree with, which is that this technology is both empowering and it's dangerous.

But I want, you know, there's something, you know, technology is something that's defined us as a human species.

Our ability to affect the environment is something that kind of rises us above all the other species on this planet.

And we've always used tools and technology and they've automated hammers automate part of what we do with our with our bodies factories automated upper body strength but these machines are different because they're intellectual technologies they automate mental functions and we're merging with them as a species that you know man and machine is are becoming one Sergey Brin who's the the co-founder of Google talks about the day when Google will be implanted in your brain and I don't think that that's necessarily such a distant fantasy no I think it's what it's what Stephen Hawking referred to as the end of Homo sapiens as we know it by 2050.

He just means that we are going to integrate with technology.

Franklin, I've got to go, but I'd love to have you back to finish this conversation another time.

World Without Mind, the name of the book, Extential Threat of Big Tech.

Thank you so much, Franklin.

I appreciate it.

Thank you so much.

You know, one of the things that we, you know,

I disagree with him on the Atlantic point with Kevin Williamson,

but we are getting closer and closer to the

government

taking control of everything.

Look at what President Trump is talking about now.

I mean, he's got a, it just has a really great thing he just did with South Korea.

And on the heels of that, we're talking about,

you know, picking and choosing which reporters are going to be able to ask questions of the president.

That's extraordinarily dangerous.

Welcome back to the program, Pat Gray.

Thank you.

Yeah, he tweeted out: fake news is working overtime.

Just reported that despite the tremendous success we're having with the economy and all things else, 91% of network news about me is negative.

Fake.

Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt?

Takeaway credentials?

No.

No.

No.

And by the way, negative doesn't necessarily mean fake.

Right.

No.

So that's not necessarily the same thing.

And I mean, he is right about the coverage, though, because the Media Research Center just did a study of ABC, CBS, and NBC.

And the evening news, nine out of ten things that weren't neutral were negative.

So about 91%.

Which is incredible and unfair.

It's incredible.

I mean, like, we've had such

a few good things today.

Obviously, the North Korea thing.

Also, five of the top ISIS leaders have been captured today.

Another really good thing.

I mean, the split should certainly not be 91%.

Now,

you can't fill a room of reporters that are all Trump supporters and get your news either.

No, we didn't like it when

they filled a room full of Obama supporters because not because they were doing anything funky, just because everybody except the Fox News guy and Jake Tapper were in the bag.

You know what I mean?

Hey, how are you enchanted?

We can't have that.

The press must be adversarial to power.

It has to be.

And when even Matt Drudge is worried about it, I mean, Matt Drudge, is there anybody who's been more supportive of Donald Trump than Steve Bannon?

Drudge?

Maybe.

Not even.

I mean, apparently.

You're right.

I mean, Trump never fired Drudge.

Right.

But Drudge said, anyone,

he said, I fear in the future, the result of Trump's crusade on fake news will be licensing of all reporters.

Dems already floated this in the Senate pre-Trump.

The mop-up on this issue is going to be excruciating.

And he also brought up what Trump might start now,

his successor could finish

in a really bad way.

Oh, yeah.

And we remember

a million times.

Yes, yes.

I talked to Ted Koppel before Trump was in, and he said, you know, we need to have license.

And I said, no, we don't.

No.

No, we don't.

He said, we can't just have anybody.

Yes, we can.

Right.

Yes, we can.

It requires us as citizens to do our homework.

And that's the way to do any work.

Well,

then fine.

You're going to become a prisoner because somebody

is going to go down this road.

And we must be the side that says, no, I disagree with them.

I think they're dishonest.

But

we are not going to violate the First Amendment and the free press.

You have a right.

You know, this all came from

pamphleteers.

You know, at the time, you didn't have radio.

You didn't have television.

You didn't have talk shows.

You had people who were given speeches, and they'd write those speeches down, and then they'd sell them on the street.

And, well, they weren't licensed.

That wasn't journalism.

That's not in the paper.

No, because those were the guys telling the truth.

And that's why that is part of, they were the blog sites of the Revolutionary War, and they're the ones who changed it.

You cannot start to license people to express a point of view or report news.

And on the other side, because Democrats are trying to do a preemptive strike, on the other side, they're trying to make laws that define the profession of journalism.

That's also dangerous.

You're going to screw this thing completely up.

We already have.

everything we need in the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech or the press.

Period.

There you go.

You're already covered completely.

And we should look at that the same way, even with the press, even when they're annoying, the same way we look at gun rights.

I mean, no law.

You cannot abridge.

You can't do anything that would

limit the access, especially with the government.

Now, you know, like you mentioned the Atlantic with our guest, and it's true.

Like, what I look at that is, and it's distasteful.

It's a different thing.

It's distasteful.

What they did with Kevin.

That's a different thing.

Yeah, no,

that wasn't the same at all.

No, that was.

Yeah, actually, it was.

There's a lot of computers.

They didn't do it.

It wasn't.

Well, it's not the same as what we're talking about here, though.

No, the Atlantic can make what I view as a really bad decision if they want to.

There's a private business.

This is the government doing it, and there is that line.

That's a big one.

I mean, you can't do those things.

I mean, there's someone who was suing Donald Trump for blocking them on Twitter.

And obviously, it's ridiculous, right?

But I mean, in reality, if the President of the United States is making statements, should not every

citizen have access to those statements?

Right?

I mean, I think you can make a real argument that you really probably can't block people on Twitter, at least from the official accounts.

Maybe he can from his private accounts.

But from official government accounts, you probably can't.

You can't.

And that's because it's the same way we argue with guns when people are like, well, they just took it away in a situation that

it was really obvious they shouldn't have had a gun.

No, no, that's not the way it works.

No.

Even if you think it's obvious, you got to have a real legal basis for those things.

Yeah.

And we've completely lost sight of that.

We really have.

We have to be first, second, third, fourth, well, all the way, all of them, absolutists.

We have to be absolutists on all the Bill of Rights and the amendments.

And on all of these issues, that's what we need to refer to because that's where we have, that's our

guiding light is the U.S.

Constitution.

And it's the guiding light.

It's the only thing that will save us is the Constitution.

In the end, if we don't stand firmly on that and tell everybody who says, yeah, but, no, I know, I'm with you, I'm frustrated, but there is no but here.

Shall not be abridged.

Period.

End of story.

Good to have you back, Pat.

One quick follow-up question from Twitter.

Is Pat still alive?

This must be like game seven of a seven-game series.

He lives or dies on today's Pat's Unleash.

Is that true?

Yes.

It's the day of the day.

We find out.

Today's the day.

We find out the day.

It could be Monday.

Or it could be Monday.

It could.

Or tomorrow.

Or tomorrow.

Or tomorrow.

It could be today.

Wow.

Friday or this coming week.

Wow.

Thank you for telling me this late in the game that it's not Friday.

You're welcome.

Dear God.

Thank you for that.

The only way to be really certain is to never miss a moment of Pat Gray

unleashed.

That's exactly right.

I'm not going to peel over at any moment.

You'd die.

Yeah.

Anytime.

You'd die at any time.

All right, Pat.

Do some jumping jacks or whatever it is that makes you a little more vulnerable, a little more on the edge.

Good to have you back.

All right, let me tell you about 1-800 flowers.

What are you getting your mom?

1-800 flowers, assuming I remember as soon as we go to the next commercial to call.

I've got my mother-in-law coming in to stay with us this weekend, too.

Well, you know, the other thing about that is, this is a little tip for you.

You call 1-800 flowers, you get a nice bouquet sent to the house, but you get two cards.

You get one, you put your wife's on there, and then you just swap it out because your mother-in-law is going to be there anyway.

And when you say, oh, look, these flowers.

And whenever they're in the room, you just swap the card.

I got a better idea.

I get 24 multicolored roses.

Okay.

So that's two dozen.

I just split them in two vases.

Ah.

And I don't have to switch the cards.

I'm like, hey, look at you guys.

Yeah, you're worthy.

You both get a dozen roses.

Yeah.

The other part about it is don't talk about it on national radio before you do it.

That's the only other

thing you don't want to do.

That probably is where you should have started.

Okay, yeah.

Okay.

All right.

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Today's the last day you can get that deal.

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Promo code Beck offer ends today.

Welcome to the program.

We have a lot to talk about on tomorrow's show.

Tomorrow is Friday.

I'm going to tell you about the cat that walked 12 miles to come home to its family.

The family had given it away to another family 12 miles away, but the cat missed the family so much, it walked 12 miles back home.

May I

ask a question?

Did the other family just bring the cat back and put it in the front yard?

No, it actually did walk 12 miles to get back home.

Did someone have a camera on the cat?

How do we know?

I don't know.

How do we know the cat was?

I don't know, but apparently, you could be a member of the family because the family saw the cat and they were like, oh, how sweet.

Brought it to the vet and had it euthanized.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Yeah, they really didn't want the cat.

You know, the cat's not a good judge of character.

Okay.

God.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.