7/28/17 - Why the GOP failed on health care reform ( Bill O'Reilly & Bill Browder Join Glenn)

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you want to talk about the guy who I believe is positioning himself to run for President of the United States and is a guy that continually

seems to impress people on both sides of the aisle, and that is Ben Sasse.

Yesterday he gave a great speech on the floor of the Senate and some advice to President Donald Trump.

I don't even know what to say

while we're there in Washington.

They couldn't even get the skinny repeal done of Obamacare.

The Republicans are absolutely 100%

totally worthless.

And the reason why John McCain

came back,

we begin there right now.

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I will be my drum,

I have made my choice, we will overcome,

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In 30 minutes, we have something about healthcare that you need to know.

I'm tired of waiting around for Congress.

What are you going to do?

What are we going to do?

As a company,

how am I going to be able to afford the ever-increasing costs?

Because they're not going to go down.

Anything that Republicans even are trying to do are not going to make your healthcare

premiums or your deductibles go down.

Just not going to happen.

They are forcing us into a single-payer system.

Well, there is a carve-out, and there is something

that you can do about it.

And we're going to tell you about it coming up in just about 30 minutes.

We have Michael Gardner on.

He is the communications director for a new style of healthcare.

And I want you to hear about it.

It may be very useful for you and your family.

So,

why did John McCain come back

after the diagnosis and the revelation of brain cancer, had a major surgery,

and

things are bad for John McCain.

And I don't want to say anything bad about John McCain because I do believe he was a patriot back in the 1960s.

What he did is still one of the most incredible stories of

valor.

I think in the American military.

I think what he did in the Hanoi Hilton is something that I know I've already taught my kids.

With that being said, that was then.

This is now.

He is a guy that is

a leader of the progressive arm of the Republican Party.

And he came back because we now know there were about 14 Republican senators who did not

want to go home and say, I voted against Obamacare.

I'm sorry, I voted

against the repeal of Obamacare.

They needed to be able to keep their promise.

They needed a fall guy.

And that fall guy was John McCain.

Because John McCain, you can't criticize him now.

He has brain cancer.

You can't criticize him now because everybody's in this, he's an elder statesman, he's got brain cancer, and he's in full-fledged legacy building.

If he would die tomorrow, I guarantee you the Republicans would rally around and they would pass some sort of John McCain health care system that would be just as progressive, if not worse, than what

the Democrats had.

So John McCain came back and he gave this...

eloquent speech against, I mean, pretty much everything we stand for.

He did say we all have to come together.

I'm for coming together.

But on what?

On principles.

He gave this eloquent speech, and Stu will give us an update here in a second because he was up till 2 o'clock in the morning watching this debacle.

John McCain is cobbling everybody together.

He is not trying to cobble together the Republicans.

He's trying to cobble together the Democrats.

And he is trying to get the Democrats to write this bill.

Please, can we use common sense for a second?

It was the Democrats that built this bill.

So I know a lot of Democrats who say, Glenn, there's some good things about Obamacare.

Well, I don't agree with you, but this was built as a Trojan horse.

It was built to

fail.

So we would go into a single payer system.

That's not opinion, that is fact by one of the designers.

And we have it, and we've played that audio for years.

It's not a Trojan horse, it's right there.

Someone once said to me, this is a Trojan horse for a single payer.

And I said, well, it's not a Trojan horse, right?

It's just right there.

I'm telling you, we're going to get there.

Okay.

So it was built for that purpose.

So to include the people who have,

let's say they had honest intent, they really thought they were doing the right thing, and they really thought that this was going to bring your premiums down by $2,500.

You would save $2,500 a year.

Why would you go to those people who were that wrong?

Because you have a different agenda.

And the agenda is a single-payer system because you believe that is right for whatever reason.

Because we're going to save the world or we control the power.

But that's what's happening.

John McCain is right in the center of all of this because he's bulletproof at this point.

Now quickly tell me what happened last night around two o'clock in the morning.

Well they they had a hang on your microphone is

Pat's microphone or Stu's microphone is not working.

So let me go let me go to let me go someplace else and then we'll come back to you for the update.

While all of this was going on we had Ben Sasse.

Ben Sasse was on the floor yesterday.

Ben Sasse was on the floor.

And this is what Ben Sasse said.

I've come to the floor to keep my promise and to offer a word of humble advice to the president.

If you're thinking of making a recess appointment to push out the Attorney General, forget about it.

The presidency isn't a bull, and this country isn't a China shop.

He gave some more advice,

and

I really want to

do the same.

Mr.

President, the people are hurting.

They are really, really hurting.

They trusted you to be able to bring their cost of health care down.

The reason why health care is so expensive is because of government and big business collusion.

It is not because we need more government.

It is because the government is colluding with business.

We need less government, and we need to punish those businesses that were colluding,

were intentionally jacking up prices because they could, because

you were giving them benefits.

That's what the American people want.

The American people want their health care costs to come down.

And the American people also really want to take care of people who don't have health care, who can't for some reason or another.

Not the people who are just like, you know what, I'm just going to write poetry on the beach and that's what I'm going to do.

Well, good.

And if a whale comes and beaches on top of you and breaks all of your bones, you made the choice to be a dead beat on the beach.

You had the opportunity.

You wouldn't work for it.

If you're not trying at all, if if you have no skin in the game at all, I can't help you.

And I don't think Americans want to help you.

We might feel bad for you.

We will carry you off on the beach and we might even help you reset your bones, but we're not going to pay for it because you made the choice.

Now those who don't have health care because of pre-existing conditions, who are working their brains out and can't make ends meet, they've done everything.

They're playing by the rules, but they don't have the talent or they don't have the job or they don't have the aptitude to be able to make enough money to be able to afford health care because government has made it unaffordable for so many people.

We're going to help those people.

Why can't we get there?

Because that's not the game they're playing in Washington.

That's not what they're doing.

And if Donald Trump wants to fulfill fulfill his promises, that's the conversation he should be having with the American people and with the GOP.

He should be excoriating both sides.

But he just wants a deal done because he's a winner and he wants to win and he wants to be tired of winning.

So he just wants a deal.

That's not what leadership does.

We hired you, Mr.

President, because you are the deal maker?

You're the guy that can bring everybody to the table and get something done.

You haven't done that.

And it requires a leader not just to come in.

A leader is not a mediator.

A leader is not somebody who is neutral and just says, Come on now, guys, let's get something done.

A leader says, This is where we're going.

And, Mr.

President, you haven't put that dot on the horizon.

Your dot is just to

repeal or replace, skinny bundle, all of it, none of it, have more, have less.

That's not leadership.

And what's lacking in the GOP

is

what?

They told us that they needed to have the Congress, they needed to have the Senate, and they needed to have the White House we've given all of that and then because Donald Trump is Donald Trump he's given the American people and the GOP an extra bonus he has given them a distracted press

if Donald Trump was buttoned up had Ted Cruz won

We would not be having, we would have no distractions.

The press would be all 100%.

Look at how many people they want to to die on the streets trying to repeal or reform Obamacare would be non-stop 24-7 coverage about how evil Republicans are because they want everyone to have cancer in fact they are going to the hospitals and taking blood out of cancer patients and they're putting it into little babies That's what the coverage would be now.

But because Donald Trump,

either by

hook or by crook or by

ineptitude,

what's happening?

They're distracted.

So what are they missing?

What do they need this time?

Mr.

President, here's what they need.

A leader.

They need one person

to say, This is where we're going.

This is the point on the horizon.

This is what America really is.

This is compassion and this is clean capitalism.

The only thing we lack in Washington is one focused leader.

The GOP has everything they need to pass.

They won't.

They continue to shoot themselves in the legs.

And it will continue forever.

We will tell you, defund the GOP and the DNC.

Don't give either of them a single dime.

Back in a second, we'll give you an update on what happened last night

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Okay, welcome to the program.

So Stu stayed up last night.

I did.

To actually

watch.

I mean,

to actually watch the health care bill just go down in flames yet again.

They've tried everything now.

Tell me what happened.

It was amazing.

They thought it was going to pass, absolutely.

And they decided to bring, they had a couple votes they had to get through.

The first vote was something the Democrats wanted, which was basically to start the process over again, send it back to committee.

Everyone knew that was going to fail because the Republicans want to pass it through.

So they started approaching this vote, which was going to give you this skinny repeal.

Now, skinny repeal, despite the Democrats' claims that it was essentially genocide, number one, basically all it did was get rid of the individual mandate.

I mean, they had a couple of other taxes that were delayed for a few years, like the medical device tax and the Cadillac tax and a couple of other things.

There were a couple of other regulations, but I mean, when you talk skinny, it was really skinny.

I want to say there's four,

someone posted something that was, it was 419 sections of Obamacare that exist, and this repealed

eight of the 499.

And they couldn't even get that done.

They couldn't even get that done.

So, but they thought they had it done.

And when I say it's

have it done, it's not going to be law.

All it was going to do was send it to committee so the House and Senate could work on a real law.

They couldn't even come up with a bill to send to committee.

That's it.

So they weren't even trying to pass this law.

They just wanted to get it to the conversation in which they could try to come up with something with the House.

And that was something that was so overt that Lindsey Graham and John McCain and others came out yesterday and said, hey, we think the law, the skinny repeal thing is a disaster.

We don't want it as law.

The only way I'll vote for it is if the House promises that they won't just approve it.

Because we want to just go to committee.

That's how overt they were about this process.

So I got an email from somebody in D.C.

at 2.07 a.m.

Extremely lame leadership.

Mitch McConnell needs to urgently be replaced.

I mean, you know what?

Because you pushed a lot on,

you made points on Trump, which were totally valid.

I mean, I think him giving you the distraction is a real benefit.

Oh, my gosh.

Now is the GOP.

Now is the time.

He's got everybody distracted.

Yeah.

And so the failure here, because they went in, they thought they were going to have him pass.

John McCain, who comes in, Mr.

Legacy Building as a hero to cast the 50th vote to get it to this point, comes in and crashes the thing because nobody can criticize him.

You're totally right on that.

But, like, here is a point where they can do really anything they want.

It is the old car ads.

My boss is out of town for the week, and so I'm cutting the prices.

Things are crazy here.

He's going to be pissed when he gets home.

I'm going to leave my job.

That's exactly what the GOP has.

And is there a lot of people?

The boss doesn't care.

He'll sign it.

He will sign whatever you have.

He doesn't care.

And he's got not only him, but all of the stupid reporters that are following him

all paying attention to him.

All looking the other way.

The other hand.

There's nothing.

The other hand is in the pocket.

You want this brand new Mercedes for $9,000?

Here's the time you can do it.

There's no one stopping you.

Clearly, and we have no problem criticizing Donald Trump on this show.

We've done it many, many times.

He's given

to Congress.

He has given them a gift.

The biggest gift in our lifetime.

The press isn't paying attention.

And you can't do anything pathetic.

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If you are having a problem with your deductible, I can't tell you how many people are in this audience that now have a five, six, ten thousand dollar deductible and are still paying $1,000 to $2,000 a month in medical insurance.

It's just, it's unworkable.

There is one carve-out in Obamacare and Michael Gardner is the communications director for something called MediShare.

Now this is not insurance,

but it has been around now since 1993 and the average monthly cost for a family is about $350.

There are 300,000 MediShare members

across the country since their inception in 93.

Members have shared more than $1.2 billion in medical expenses,

and they have a network of 700,000 medical providers.

Sorry, $350 a month is the average cost.

For a family.

That is insane.

So let's go to Michael Gardner.

Hello, Michael.

How are you?

Hello.

I'm great, Glenn.

Good morning.

Tell us about how this works and how we can help you and where you're the strongest in the country.

Sure.

Well, you know, MediShare is a healthcare sharing program, and it's based upon the idea of people coming together in community to share one another's medical bills.

And so you mentioned we have 300,000 members all across the country who've been doing that.

And it keeps the cost very low, as you said.

It's very affordable, around $350 for a family.

And we can talk a little bit more about how it works.

Okay, so let's do that.

So I don't really think that there's a difference.

I know there is legally, but I think this is the idea of insurance.

We all pool together and share each other's burdens because we're not all going to have cancer.

We're all going to have problems from time to time, but we can all do it together.

So tell me exactly how it works.

Sure.

Here's one of the things that we point out is that it's not insurance, and here's why.

This is based upon the idea of direct voluntary member-to-member sharing.

So I mentioned the fact that this is based on a community, and it really truly is because I know each month who it is I'm sharing with.

So I'll actually get a notification that says you've shared this month along with maybe 50 other people in the community to meet this person's $100,000 medical need.

And the great thing is that I can reach out to that person.

I can send them a note of encouragement.

I can let them know that I'm praying for them.

And I also know people that share with me should I have a need and those people can communicate with me.

So this is quite different from insurance for a couple reasons.

You know, the money's not pulled, like I said, it's direct member-to-member sharing, my sharing account to your sharing account.

and people can actually communicate with one another.

We obviously don't give protected health information away, so I don't know exactly what that person needs unless they choose to disclose it to me, but I can communicate with them.

And our members really do value that sense of community.

We're a faith-based organization, and so you know, the two common denominators and things that members really value are faith and the fact that they can come together in a community to support one another.

Okay, so this isn't like a crowd sourcing funding, like, hey, I've got cancer and I've got to make a case to the group.

Everybody can pull into this pool if they have a problem,

and then the members are notified.

You know, it's not like you're voting every month or

you're having to be sold which person to help, right?

You're right.

I think that's, I think, one of the common misconceptions about the way healthcare sharing programs work is that there's somebody in a back office who's looking at a bill and on a whim decides whether or not it should be shared.

That's not the case at all.

Our sharing program is governed by member-voted guidelines.

So members do have a say in what's shareable and what's not shareable.

And so changes to

those guidelines require a vote by the members.

But that's how basically bills are processed.

So you might get on those guidelines.

You might get a notification and you're all voting on, let's say,

we're not going to share

facelifts, but if somebody's coming from war and they need

some sort of plastic surgery, we're going to cover that.

And you would vote on those kinds of rules.

Exactly.

As widespread changes to the guidelines.

You know, the guidelines are published.

They're available on our website.

Anyone can take a look at them prior to joining and becoming a member so they understand how the program works.

And we have people here who can talk to anybody and help them understand what this would look like for their particular family situation.

Okay, so you have, it says an extensive network of more than 700,000 providers.

Is that a lot?

That sounds small in the terminal.

I think you can go anywhere, right?

It's just you have a specific network that you're, you know, kind of a preferred network.

That's right.

That's absolutely right.

Yes, you really can see any provider that you want, whether they're in that network or not.

The benefit of choosing an in-network provider is obviously that your out-of-pocket cost would be lower for choosing a provider.

So, Michael,

why isn't this everywhere?

I mean, because I'm going to join just because

$350 a month, I just want to help people pay for their health care.

Why wouldn't I be doing this as a company instead of the stupid stuff that I'm doing right now?

Why wouldn't I, as a company, just sign everybody up for this?

Right.

We can talk to if any of your listeners are out there and want to look at this as an option.

That's the great thing about MediShare.

I think a lot of, there are probably thousands of people listening right now who feel trapped or like they have a very narrow choice.

MediShare really offers a great option.

As you mentioned, you can choose your monthly amount based upon the level of financial responsibility that you want to take on.

So there are lots of different options.

And I can say, for my family,

I want to have a lower monthly cost, and so I can choose a $5,000 annual household portion.

And that means that I know I'm going to pay the first $5,000 of my own bills before the rest of the members join in sharing.

And so people can really tailor this.

So I'm not really sure why it's not more widespread.

We're just thankful to help get the word out about it as a viable option that really does work.

Hang on, just one one thing.

Do you do company plans?

We do have options available for churches, nonprofit groups, those types of things as well.

Remember, we're a faith-based community, and so there is a statement of faith that members do need to agree with to join.

And so

that may limit this for some people, but certainly it's an option for people as well.

Because that would be the thing if you're applying it to a whole company.

Not everyone who works at this company necessarily is.

Yeah, but boy, oh, boy, could I mean,

we're a faith-based company.

I mean, you know, one of our principles is the company is owned by God, not by us.

We're working for him.

I mean, so.

Right, but still, when you're talking about individual players, there's obviously lines there.

Is it true that there are certain restrictions on your actual behavior?

When you say like a statement of faith, like you would say, I thought I remember reading something like you shouldn't be drinking, for example, or certain behaviors that you would want to limit as part of joining something like this.

Sure.

There are certain lifestyle guidelines that we ask people to abide by as well.

Refraining from any kind of tobacco use is one of them.

Making sure that people don't abuse alcohol or prescription drugs or use illegal drugs.

So certainly there are some lifestyle guidelines, including those, that we do ask our members to abide by.

Quite honestly, I would rather have the choice to say, I'm going to limit tobacco or alcohol, so no abuse of alcohol.

I'd rather have the choice to do that as a free member of society have what's happening we just talked about yesterday with the NIH, where they say, oh, your BMI is,

you know, over, so no hip replacement for you.

Oh, you've smoked, so no, and you have no other choice.

There's a lot of people.

I mean, if, look, if you are struggling and you have a $5,000 deductible and a, you know, a $1,500 a month payment, and it's the choice between your cigarettes and your children being able to survive or be thrown onto Obamacare.

My gosh, am I giving up those cigarettes to do this?

And what are your priorities, honestly?

Right.

And, you know, that savings is really, we hear lots of stories from members.

And, you know, we've had members who've had stage four cancer.

We've had, you know, there's some stories on our website.

A young boy who needed an emergency appendectomy, a baby born with spina bifido.

We've had individual needs of more than a million dollars each.

You know, so they're really significant needs that are being met, all while people are able to experience this savings monthly.

You know, we're hearing about cost savings of $500 or $600 a month over alternatives.

But the really great thing that we hear from people is about what they do with that savings.

You know, this is a community, and people are able to take that savings.

And we've had people say, I've started my own small business.

I didn't think I was going to be able to do that.

I've had another child.

I didn't think I was going to be able to do that because of financial limitations.

Or

I've decided to go into ministry or to adopt a child.

So it's really the impact that people are able to have when

you free up that money so that they can do better things for the kingdom and for the community.

I would like to encourage you to, if you could go to this,

to

if you're saving $600,

save five and put an extra $100

in

to be able to

help the people that know.

I mean,

if you have the option and you're saving $600 a month, that is so much money.

Take 25 of it.

And can they buy into a bigger option or a bigger plan or something that would actually help put more money into the coffers to be able to share the burden?

We do have members who choose to do that.

We have a program called Extra Blessings.

And so people do make contributions voluntarily to that to help cover other needs that members may have as well.

Absolutely.

That is fantastic.

Can you talk a little bit about how, because people would say, well, if you're not insured, you're violating Obamacare and you're breaking the rules.

This is one of the one good sentences in Obamacare breaks out an exemption for organizations like yours.

Can you talk about that a little bit?

Sure.

It is good for health care sharing ministries because if you're a member of a health care sharing ministry, the individual mandate says you need to have some sort of health care coverage.

And while MediShare is not insurance, there is a provision in the Affordable Care Act that says being a member

of a health care sharing ministry meets that requirement.

And so you're not subject to those financial penalties as well.

So that's another great thing for members.

One more thing, because I've heard this a million times when people talk about MediShare and other similar types of services.

They say,

wait a minute, it's not insurance.

You're not guaranteed to get your medical

bills paid.

And you're going to pay into this every month, and then something bad is going to happen, and you're not going to get your money.

So is that true?

Is there anything to that?

There isn't a guarantee.

That is true.

However,

I think that the track record of the programs really speaks for itself.

That since 1993, $1.2 billion has been shared.

And so our members have been faithfully sharing for a long, long time, and I have no reason to think they're not going to continue to do that in the future.

It's that community aspect that people were based upon the idea of the early church in Acts.

And so people are called to lift one another's burdens.

And that's really, truly what our members value.

And I have news for you.

You're not legally bound.

Okay, sure.

But it's like like these people who, you know, talk to me about, oh, the banks and the FDIC legally bound.

You have $250,000.

You may not get your money back if you have it in Bitcoin or whatever it is, gold.

Okay.

All really the Fed and everything else is, is just a belief that we have,

you know, your faith in a company that it will be solid and that I'm going to get my money back at some point or they're going to provide insurance.

All you have to have is faith that you have to have, instead of a company, you have to have faith in people, that people's general nature is not going to change, that people want to be good.

The reason why

this is faith-based

is because they know that people of faith who have something bigger, I'm just speaking for you and tell me if I'm wrong, because they have something bigger than themselves, they know that they will most likely likely continue to do this.

So you're just putting your faith out of an insurance company and into people.

I trust people much more than a company.

Right, absolutely.

I mean, that's you know, that's the idea behind being a faith-based organization and certainly having having a shared statement of faith is that people are approaching this with the same worldview, with the same sense of values.

And, you know, we want to make sure that people understand that.

Absolutely.

I love this.

Michael, thank you so much.

You're welcome.

I hope we can talk again.

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This is quite an amazing,

it's quite an amazing thing.

I'm trying to figure out why.

They've been around since 1993.

They don't have, you know, there's not people going, oh, I joined that and then they never paid my medical bills.

They pay the medical bills.

You're talking MediShare here.

Yeah, I'm talking MediShare.

You can go to mychristiancare.org and find it.

This is a carve-out of the Obamacare.

And it's not somebody who's like, hey, I'm going to do this.

They've been doing this since 1993.

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why don't we just

pool our resources together and help each other?

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The idea is 2,000 years old.

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Another crazy week in Washington.

Americans can't catch their breath.

Bill, how was your week?

What is on the top of your list?

The skinny bill.

We're not good at skinny anything, but go ahead.

I was surprised that John McCain

voted

to basically keep Obamacare in place.

Weren't you surprised, Beck?

I was so surprised about that.

Why?

John McCain is the leader of the progressive arm of the Republican Party.

I mean, he's a big government guy.

He's ⁇ I mean, this doesn't surprise me at all.

That's who John McCain is.

That's who he is.

I mean, his state, the people in his state have been harmed pretty much the most of all Americans by the rising costs of health care insurance.

Bill, he is

an issue in Arizona.

Let me give you

a perspective to hear your rebuttal of it.

John McCain has been a progressive Republican since the 80s, 90s.

He has become the

Edward Kennedy of the Republican Party.

He is now,

and I say this with all sympathy, he is now dying.

He has brain cancer.

He was brought back to be the liberal lion of the Republican Party to give cover for probably 10 Republicans who

did not want to say they were going to vote against health care, had to, but want to keep Obamacare.

He came in.

This is legacy building for him.

He thinks he's going for a greater government cause.

The theory that

McCain is somehow a closet liberal guy, I don't buy it because if you look at foreign policy and if you look at his

record on social issues.

No, but wait, wait, hang on just a second.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

That's not, you're talking liberal.

I'm talking progressive.

There's a huge difference between liberal and progressive.

Yeah, I understand that.

But where the nexus crosses is in social issues.

Liberal and progressive social issues, pretty much down the line.

The politically correct society we have that you guys are just whimpering about.

I mean,

again, line right up.

You are looking.

You are the there are just like there are liberal.

Wait, wait, wait.

You said I used to.

All right, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Now you can be wrong.

Give me two minutes to be wrong.

Go ahead.

Put tape on his mouth.

All right.

I think this is about Trump.

I think McCain despises Trump so much

because of the POW comment during the campaign that he knew,

because it doesn't make any sense as his pal Lindsey Graham and all the other people that he's close to, Aaron Hatch in the Senate,

would say to him, look,

all this does, this skinny bill, is take out three or four of the most egregious parts of Obamacare, which McCain cannot support.

The mandate that you have to buy insurance, the mandate anybody employing more than 50 have to

give insurance to everybody, the tax on medical devices, which the liberal Democratic Party doesn't like.

So I think it's about McCain basically saying to himself, I really despise Trump, and I think Trump should be out of there, and I'm going to make it almost impossible for Trump to have any kind of legislative victories.

That's what I think this is about.

Well,

you know, I appreciate the conspiratorial nature.

I mean, you know, my brilliance, I understand you.

No, I mean,

I appreciate the conspiratorial nature of

that.

But I deal in fact.

I mean, because I think that's.

Look, it loathes Trump.

McCain loathes him.

I agree.

I agree.

Yes, he does.

I agree with you.

That's probably part of it.

This is all about.

Isn't that something that Trump should know?

And is the downside of him doing this?

Nobody thought that this was going to happen.

Pence actually had to stay up late.

You know, Pence is in bed at 9:30 every night.

Not that late.

He had to stay up late and was calling McCain saying, you can't do this to the party.

See, that's what the appeal was to McCain.

Look, make sure that the skinny bill passes.

It'll go back to Ryan in the House of Representatives.

They'll put other things in it, which they promised to do.

Then it'll come back to you.

And then

if you have an objection, you can vote against it, okay?

But give us, the Republican Party, a victory and send a message to the American people that we're not totally impotent.

So I think John McCain refused to do it.

I think John McCain, you're right, hates Donald Trump.

But I think John McCain hates the Tea Party

and the

conservative wing, the small government constitutionalist, the Masseys, the Freedom Caucus, the Mike Lee's, much more than he hates Donald Trump.

Now,

he may be on fire for Donald Trump, but there is a long history of him just despising these Tea Party constitutionalist people.

He's also terrible on his...

I mean, I think you're correct there, but I don't think that was

the paramount motivator for McCain shocking his entire party and giving the Democrats a huge victory.

Do you guys understand how the Democrats are feeling today?

They are just walking on air.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Number one,

they've protected the enormous entitlement of economic care, which is, you know.

And number two, they've damaged Trump again.

Trump looks like he can't get anything done.

All right.

So McCain handed, handed his opposition.

And plus, I got to say that the people of Arizona, I mean, I know McCain is at the end of the road.

and I respect McCain.

Everybody should know that listening to the Glenn Beck program today.

I respect him.

I don't think that he's

a person that's trying to hurt his country.

I do agree with you that he doesn't have any use for the far right, for conservative principles in general, that he's a so-called moderate.

But this was all about sticking it to Trump.

I know that that's what this vote was all about.

Okay.

I think it played a role in it.

I think that he is not a liberal.

He's not a moderate.

He is a deep progressive that just like in the early 20th century, there's two kinds of progressives.

One that want to control you for all kinds of reasons, and then the other to control you for all kinds of other reasons.

It's all about control in the end, and they truly believe that the best thing for the country is to have government control the big things in your life.

It's always been that way.

I truly believe he believes in big government health care.

This, he also had the extra motivation because he despises Donald Trump.

So it was a twofer because this is now going to leave the GOP as completely worthless, could give the House and the Senate to the Democrats, and they will reform and they will go to a single payer.

And Donald Trump will be more than happy to work with them in a year and a half.

Guarantee you.

I don't think so.

I don't think Trump's going to work with the Democrats.

Wait, how?

That's conjecture down the road.

But you're look.

If they tried to pass it.

The Department of Party's on the ropes.

Go ahead.

It's on the ropes for two reasons.

It's on the ropes for two reasons.

They can't pass

any kind of reform about Obamacare, and Americans who voted for the Republicans want that.

And number two, there's just continuing chaos in the White House, which I want to talk about after your break and paying your bills and your enormous salary.

We have to do that.

My enormous salary.

Come on.

I mean, you know, you've got servants fanning.

Oh, no, I know.

I know, Mr.

$25 million a year so I could get out of a car.

I know.

All right.

So

let me ask you this question and then we'll take a break.

Spectacular defeat here.

One,

is there another chapter in the Obamacare

thing that has a chance of being passed or is this done until the midterm?

Two,

what does this mean for any meaningful tax reform?

More or less likely?

Well, the tax reform now, you got this is desperation time for the Democrats, so they for the Republicans, excuse me.

So they have to do it.

And I think they will.

But any, you know, I think they will.

But the fight is going to be about the tax cuts for

people who are affluent.

Yes, that's what it's going to be.

So I if you are a wealthy person like you are back in this country, don't expect a tax cut because you're not going to get it.

But I think they will be able to pass it

before the end of the year because if they don't, it's all over.

And then they'll come back to Obamacare probably in the fall.

McCain and Schumer will be holding hands, they'll be doing the Lombada, and then we'll work it out.

But it's all BS.

And at this time next year, maybe they'll have another vote.

But it's all about giving away free stuff.

That's really what Obamacare is about: income redistribution, free stuff, unlimited Medicaid to people who don't have a lot of money.

That's what it's all about.

And the Republicans and Democrats are never going to agree on that, ever.

It's just a philosophy of the two parties.

But

I do expect the Republicans to ferociously pursue the tax cut because that's the end.

They can't do that.

That's the end.

Not just in 18, but that for 20 and for everything else, people just walk away.

I had a letter that said, well, we're not going to vote for Democrats, we being the Trump supporters.

And I said, I know that.

You won't show up.

That's why Hillary lost, because her people didn't show up.

It's exactly what's going to happen to Trump if he can't get this stuff done.

He's a severely wounded president today.

Back in just a second, more of Bill O'Reilly.

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We'll talk a little bit about Jess Sessions.

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Let's go to what the heck is happening with Jeff Sessions, this nonsense back and forth

between the president and

Jeff Sessions.

Jeff responded yesterday, just said, you know, some of this is really hurtful, but I'm just continuing my job.

What is he doing, Bill?

I think it's a frustration

situation, and I always go back to my theory about rich guys.

Rich guys like Trump,

the Bushes, the Kennedys,

families that have,

for

decades,

have

had a lot of assets.

They're raised in a different culture.

Their lives are different.

They don't have to deal with much frustration.

They can have pretty much what they want.

And the mindset is that things are going to work out.

Written about this extensively, that things are going to work out.

No matter what it is, you know, we're so powerful that things work out.

The Kennedy family, probably the best example of that.

So, when you get a situation that Trump is in, where he is being unfairly hammered, I believe, on everything,

his frustration boils over, and he can't handle

the day-to-day

pain because he's never had it before in his entire life.

Therefore,

rational

thought is replaced by emotion.

Enter Jeff Sessions.

With three things in play.

Trump apparently has been told that Sessions should not have even applied for the job of Attorney General if he knew he was going to recuse himself in the Russian investigation.

The Russian investigation wasn't going on at the time.

Do we need to bring Marty McFly in with the explanation of the parallel timelines?

It's not even, that's not even possible.

How is someone selling this to us?

I'm not saying that it happened.

I'm saying that's what Trump's being told.

And Trump himself said in the interview, okay, they did talk about some kind of Russian stuff.

So anyway, that's number one.

Number two is the leaks.

And that's driving Trump absolutely insane.

And he doesn't feel that Sessions has been aggressive enough.

Now, Now, Sessions came out this week and says, I'm going to be aggressive.

All right.

And the third thing is basically that Hillary Clinton

is still an obsession for Donald Trump.

I don't know why,

because

she's done.

She's going to come back with a book and say that she lost because of sexism or some crazy thing.

He's going to make a big deal out of that book and help her sell even more books.

Probably.

But Trump's still obsessed.

And now he's saying, well, look, I didn't do anything in Russia, but she did all this, X, Y, and Z.

So why isn't Sessions investigating that?

Those are the three reasons.

So,

you know, somebody else would cap it and contain it and say, all right, it might be frustrating, but I'm telling him to investigate the leaks.

He is, or he says he is.

Hillary, you could do the foundation.

You can't go back and re-litigate the emails.

But you could do the foundation because that's an ongoing concern.

And I believe the Clinton Foundation from the jump, and I've said this many times, was an enterprise just to benefit the Clintons.

Oh, it's corrupt to the Clintons.

Right, right.

So you could do that.

And, you know, if Sessions objects to that, then Sessions has got to explain why.

Right.

So, but what it is, is that Trump, when Trump gets frustrated with someone, you saw that on his program, you're fired.

That's what he's used to doing.

His whole life, he's done it.

But now he can't do it.

I don't expect Sessions to be fired because if he is, then the whole Republican Party is going to walk away from Trump.

And Trump's got to know that now.

Scaramucci's got to be telling Trump that.

So did you see

Ben Sasse's speech yesterday on the floor of the Senate to the president?

You should go back and read it or watch it.

It was tremendous.

But he said, Mr.

President, if you try a recess appointment of

it'll be over.

It'll just be over.

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Scaramucci is just a.

Let me ask you a question.

Can I ask you a question?

Oh, dear God, what?

Bill O'Reilly, what?

Isn't it refreshing to have me on this program on Friday?

No, it's a pleasure.

Give me you and your crew

different

perspectives that you've never thought about.

Because they're wrong.

We dismiss them right away.

Saying at the end of the day, 50 times.

Isn't it refreshing to have me here?

Come on, tell us.

I mean, you are the most delusional man I think I've ever met.

Now, Bill, this Scarmucci character, I mean, right out of the Sopranos,

this interview that he did, and he says he didn't know, but I trusted a journalist.

You what?

I mean, come on, man.

The things that he said in this interview, he is one of the nastiest guys I've ever.

I mean, I wouldn't be in a room with this guy.

If this guy is, this is the way he talks when

he's just talking.

I want nothing to do with him.

Is this where

our president lives?

This is the swamp cleaner?

Okay, number one, Scaramucci lives in my town.

All right, I don't really know him.

I ran into him, I think, once many years ago.

But if you're thinking that this kind of conversation and this kind of language that he's using is not used by most, and I mean that absolutely accurately, most political operatives, and you're living in the land of Oz, I mean, John Podesta,

who would have been Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, makes Scaramucci look like Mother Teresa.

All right?

That's how bad many of these guys are.

Now, I'm going to give Scaramucci a pass because he's probably taken with himself with the big position.

He's never been in there before.

Ah, good.

So we have a rookie with an ego.

We have a rookie.

Sounds like a good combination.

Let's keep adding them.

Well, they're all rookies.

Come on.

Right, with egos.

Yeah, and that's not a good combination.

And money.

And I'm not justifying anything he did, but I'm trying to add perspective to it.

Right.

What I can't figure out is

why anybody in the White House would talk to the New Yorker.

They hate you.

Hello.

All right.

Why would you do it?

Why would you invite the New York Times in, as Trump did last week?

Why?

I mean, they're never, ever going to be fair or give you any kind of benefit of the doubt.

They're always going to find a way to try to destroy you.

That disturbs me more than the gutter language.

Yeah, it's not the language.

It's just this guy is just a bad guy.

It is the language.

I mean, we have to expect some decorum decorum

as far as presentation is concerned.

And behind the scenes, as I said, they all say, they all talk like that.

But you don't talk like that to a reporter who hates you.

I mean, it's just insane.

This guy couldn't get in.

This New Yorker reporter couldn't get into CNN fast enough.

I mean, he was like diving through the window.

Put me on.

You know, it was, I'll set myself on fire if you don't put me on right now.

But, Bill, it's responsible for my death.

If he believed he was off the record, however, and he was saying those things about.

Oh, they all say that.

You don't talk to a New Yorker reporter, a New York Times reporter, and say it's off the record.

They're never going to, I mean, and I don't believe Scaramucci thought he was off the record anyway.

I thought he was just being a macho man, put it right, the soprano.

Well, he's claiming he thought he was.

Got to get him a little hat and he can strut around.

Yeah, no, he's claiming he was, but that's just so he has some.

Yeah, look, I wouldn't have done that if I was.

He was sending a message.

He was sending a message with this conversation.

If nothing else, though, there have been

a message

in a much more authoritative way.

Right.

Look.

But he has.

Stu brings up a good point.

He has become a leaker himself.

Well, Stu is a genius, number one, so whatever he says, I have to take very, very clearly.

Number two,

look,

there are leaks coming out of the White House, and Trump is driving Trump crazy, and Scaramucci is there to try to stop it.

All right, so that's what it is.

We'll see if he can stop it.

And then now Lance Priebus may be the leaker, Renz Priebus, I'm sorry, may be the leaker.

But I don't want the speculation.

Find out if he's doing it and fire him.

Okay, so how do you feel about

Donald Trump coming out when the Pentagon is going in another direction just to get a bill passed in the House.

He comes out and says, There will never be, we will not accept any transgender people into the military.

We know we have 10 people in the military that are serving.

There hasn't been any problems.

I mean, look, I don't want to pay for anybody's elective surgery.

This surgery should not be anything other than elective, and it should be discouraged as it does nothing to change the suicide rate.

People who have dysphoria, they are 46% likely to commit suicide.

They have the surgery, they're 45% likely to have suicide.

And the younger you get, the higher the number goes for suicide if you've had the surgery.

We should not be in this business in the first place.

I don't want the government, I don't want the military a part of any kind of political correct anything.

Their job is to kill people faster than anyone else on the earth.

I don't care if it's a guy in a skirt.

I don't care if it's a guy who looks like Randy Macho Man Savage.

I don't care how they get it done as long as they get it done.

What about Trump doing this?

That was very, very, very well put.

Okay, here's the deal.

You want to know the real story, and this is why you should be thrilled to have me on.

Here's the real story.

We like you for your modesty, honestly.

I have you on.

Honestly only goes so far, Ben.

Right, okay.

Here's the real story.

All right.

All right, Trump and his crew in the White House know they're looking terrible on the legislative front.

Okay, they know it.

So, what better way to deflect attention away from that than to rev up your base,

which does not want transgendered people in the military, okay,

and just throw out a tweet, which is all he did.

Didn't sign an executive order, didn't order the Pentagon to do anything.

Throw out a tweet saying, well, they're not going to serve in the military.

That deflects the whole thing away, injects emotion for your cause, all right, because your base wants that.

Your base is with you on that.

And that's exactly why that happened.

Thank you very much.

Stu, are you there, Stu?

You know, Bill O'Reilly is a genius.

I've said it before.

Moscow today, Moscow today is seizing two U.S.

properties in Russia

because of the sanctions.

Things aren't looking good with Russia.

Where is this headed?

No, well, you're going to have your guest on, what, next hour to see what's going on in there.

Look, the sanctions have to happen.

And

so if they're going to seize whatever they're going to seize, then you look at that and you slap more sanctions on them if you have to.

Putin's not going to have a confrontation with the USA.

He knows he'll lose that.

He'll lose it militarily.

He'll lose it economically.

There's no win in it for him.

He's got a bluster, and that's what this is.

He's got a bluster to his base.

So I'm going to seize this, that, and the other.

Iran does this all day long, all day long.

But in the end, Putin's position is not nearly as strong within Russia as he wants you to believe.

I mean, there are people in Russia

who want him out, and that movement is growing as the economy there gets worse.

And these sanctions will hasten the demise of the Russian economy.

So, if you want to get Putin under control, you've got to do this stuff.

Congress was smart for doing it.

And Putin can bluster all he wants, but he's not nearly as powerful as we are.

Bill Browder is my guest next hour.

He was the CEO of Hermitage Capital Management.

He was the former hedge fund manager

that his partner was, Magnitsky,

the guy who the Magnitsky Act is named after.

His partner was

taken in by the FSB and the

oligarchs in Russia, beaten, tortured, eventually arrested, and then, ooh, an accident happened in prison.

They tried to shut him up.

This is the guy who is the partner.

He has the inside scoop.

He has testified in front of Congress, and it looks like

the Democrats didn't want him to testify.

I think he is

completing

a

tying up the loose ends here on something that I've said for a long time.

They were doing this to both.

Trump and Clinton both fell for it.

If Clinton would have won, we'd be sitting in exactly the same situation, except we'd be shouting the other side's argument.

This is Putin trying to cause chaos, period.

Agree or disagree?

Putin does.

I agree.

That's what Putin does.

And that's why he's got to be slapped down when we get the opportunity to do that.

He's a bad guy.

Bill O'Reilly, last question.

I hear that

back to school is around the corner, and I was wondering if you had any gift ideas.

Well, I'm more interested in your vacation plans, Beck.

You take any more time off in August?

No, I'm staying working.

Oh, you're here, huh?

Yeah.

Cooling.

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But you really didn't kill England.

England isn't really dead.

No, but it's

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I'm sorry, you were going for something.

There's no seafood in the book.

How do I find your books?

How do I find your books?

Yeah.

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Yes, you desperately want it.

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I appreciate it.

All right.

All right.

God bless.

Have a good weekend.

Interesting interview.

Probably the main takeaway is: quote, Stu is a genius, end quote.

That's what I took out of the interview.

I didn't really get much.

We should go back to the interview: Bill is always wrong.

So then

we could use both quotes and say, yeah, probably that is the takeaway.

That doesn't seem ideal for me.

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All right, welcome to the program.

Interesting perspective today on John McCain.

And John McCain,

both a hero and a villain, hero in the 60s and a villain in many ways to the Constitution.

Yeah.

He is,

if indeed John McCain, and he is apparently a very vindictive guy,

if he indeed did this one vote just to stick it to Donald Trump, how petty, and may your voice reach his ears.

This is, it's, how petty can you be?

You're doing the people's business, are you, John?

Was that the people's business?

And I think the overwhelming amount of blame here goes to Congress and not Trump.

But if you want to be critical on Trump, two of the three people who are Republicans and voted against this were people that Trump specifically attacked.

Yes.

Both Murkowski and McCain.

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She wants a freaking write-in election statewide.

She can do whatever she wants.

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His deal-making style may be working against the deals.

Next hour, Bill Browder is on.

He just testified in front of Congress.

He's remarkable.

Truly remarkable.

He is a guy who

I don't even know what to make of his past.

Became a hedge fund guy.

He lives over in England.

His partner

was Maninsky, the Maninsky Act.

Maginsky.

Magnitsky.

It's magnet.

It starts with Magnet.

Magnitsky.

Yeah, Magnitsky.

That's all I remember.

That was his partner.

The Magnitsky Act is named after him because he was tortured and imprisoned and killed in prison by Putin and the oligarchs over in Russia because he was uncovering how bad things were.

Well, his partner Bill, who was part of this uncovering, would not let it go and risking his life even today to continue to tell the world exactly what's happening over in Russia.

Very credible witness on Wednesday in front of Congress.

Some deep questions on what is really going on

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He will not speculate on what motives were or what was happening on the Trump side, but he's clear on what the Russians were doing.

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I'm going to introduce you to somebody that you probably

have never heard of, but he is a really important player in everything that is going on in Russia.

We have heard of the Magnitsky Act.

Who is that even named after?

What is that act?

Where did that come from?

This guy.

This is the guy that got that done

in an effort to stop deep corruption in Russia.

He has first-hand knowledge.

His partner was Magnitsky.

And I say was

because Putin and his cronies took care of him for uncovering corruption in Russia with our guest, Bill Browder.

A look at what's really going inside of Russia and how this ties to both Hillary and Trump

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Our guest, Bill Browder, is the man responsible for spearheading the Magnitsky Act.

Magnitsky was Browder's lawyer, and the two of them uncovered a $230 million corruption scheme involving Russian government officials.

Magnitsky was jailed,

tortured, murdered in prison.

Browder vowed to get justice.

The Manitsky Act was his initiative, and it became the sanctions package on Russia that punishes the oligarchs.

This kicked off a geopolitical shockwave, but there's a lot more than just this.

Wednesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee in the Russian investigation into U.S.

election meddling, the Senate Democrats blocked his testimony by invoking the two-hour rule, which is rarely, rarely used.

to protest the Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare.

Was that really why they used that?

Or was it because they wanted to block his testimony,

testimony on Fusion GPS, that is the company that produced the Trump dossier,

but was also the same company that had been hired by one of the biggest Democratic supporters as well?

Welcome to the program, Bill Browder.

How are you, sir?

I'm doing really well.

Great to be here.

Thank you.

It's nice to talk to you, and I appreciated your testimony in front of Congress, the way you

constantly responded.

I can't think for Donald Trump or his team.

I don't know.

What I do know is how Russia thinks.

And I appreciated the fact,

even as a guy who doesn't support Donald Trump, that you were not going in for political heads.

So thank you for that.

It's my duty in this situation just to try to get to the truth about what Russia is up to and what Putin is up to, which is something that affects

a totally nonpartisan issue when it comes to Russia.

So listening to your testimony, I believe

we've been doing a lot of homework, and I've been working on Russia things and trying to expose my audience to what Russia is doing.

for the last probably three or four years.

And I warned way before this election that Donald Trump and his minions were trying to cause chaos in the entire Western world.

And they'll play all sides.

They don't care.

They just want chaos and a destruction of what they call the, what is it, the people of the sea, the Atlantic states,

the NATO states.

I believe, and I would like to start here.

I believe, not knowing truly what happened in that meeting with Donald Trump Jr.

and everybody else, that they may have wanted dirt and probably were told we got all kinds of stuff on Hillary Clinton.

But

they could have gone in to a meeting and

had Velodnitskaya,

the Russian woman, just read nursery rhymes.

Because Putin got what he wanted with that meeting, and that is doubts in people's minds on both Clinton, the Democrats, and the Republicans, and we're all fighting each other now.

Do you think that's plausible?

Well,

I think we might be reading a little bit too much into Putin's.

Putin is a great tactician.

I wouldn't argue that he's a great strategist, and that sounds like a sort of strategic...

a long-term strategic thing.

I actually think it's what his,

I mean, and I do know a lot about about what he's thinking and what he's doing because I've been sort of at odds with him in a very serious way for the last eight years.

I think that he, I mean, and he's very blunt and kind of basic in terms of what he wants.

And

when that lady, Natalia Veselnitska, I went into that meeting, it's pretty clear what she was going into that meeting for, which was she had something that was on the top of Vladimir Putin's agenda, which was getting rid of these sanctions, these asset-freezing and visa-banning sanctions named after my lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky.

Putin really wanted to get rid of that,

and they had a long

and a wide campaign to do that.

And I think that they spotted Donald Trump.

He was just the Republican nominee at that point.

They weren't having much success.

with Obama.

Obama was just

hadn't done what they wanted.

And so they said, okay, well, this guy is saying nice things.

Let's go and see if

we can

do something with these guys.

And

as you mentioned, I don't know what the Trump guys were thinking when they had that meeting, but I sure know what the Russians were thinking, which was

here's something important to us that

we want to do if your dad becomes the president.

So tell me, because I don't think people understand Russia and its level of corruption and how brutal it is.

You know, we think, oh, well, you're dealing with some people, but everybody's corrupt.

Not like Russia.

Can you give people an idea of what that means?

Well, let's just talk about this case that I've been involved with.

So this is called the Magnitsky case.

Sergei Magnitsky, as you mentioned at the beginning, was my lawyer.

He uncovered this vast $230 million government corruption scheme.

And he thought that, and this was was a scheme where a bunch of government officials were stealing $230 million from their own country.

And Surrogate thought, this is wrong.

This is my country.

I don't want them stealing this money from my country.

And as a good patriot and a good citizen, he went to the law enforcement agency there and he gave sworn testimony against the officials involved and waited for those officials to be arrested and prosecuted.

But instead of those officials being arrested and prosecuted, he got arrested.

They put him in jail.

They tortured him him viciously for 358 days.

And they killed him at the age of 37, leaving a wife and two children.

Now,

I wish that the story had stopped there in terms of the deaths.

Then, another guy comes forward after Sergei has been killed.

His name is Alexander Parapolichny.

Alexander was not a good guy.

He was one of the bad guys in Russia who had fallen out with the other bad guys.

He shows up in London, fleeing Russia, and he says, listen, these people I used to work with, they're really bad guys.

Here's the bank statements showing where they got the money.

And so we took that stuff to the Swiss prosecutor because the money was in Switzerland.

The Swiss prosecutor froze the accounts and opened up a big money laundering investigation.

And then all of a sudden, this guy drops dead at the age of 44 in a suburb of London.

And it's since been shown that he had a poison in his stomach.

And it goes on and on.

There are seven people who are dead connected to this case.

Why aren't you dead?

Why aren't you dead?

They like me dead.

They threatened me.

They threatened me on a number of occasions.

If they could get away with it, if they could kill me and get away with it, I would already be dead.

The only thing stopping them is that they don't know exactly how they can get away with it.

So you said something interesting in your testimony.

I think it was Lindsey Graham who said, you know, Putin will do whatever he can to get away with.

And you responded, I think he'll do whatever he can or wants, even if he can't get away with it.

What do you mean by that?

Well, basically, I mean, you know,

he kind of goes around the world doing whatever he wants.

I mean, look,

he invaded Ukraine.

It wasn't like

he said it wasn't us.

It's just a bunch of guys on vacation.

Well, it turns out that it was them.

You know, they shot down

a civilian aircraft, the Malaysian aircraft going over Ukraine, killing 298 civilians.

And they say it wasn't us.

It's been proven it was them.

They go and carve.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

This is kind of new.

Was it proven to be them?

We knew that was speculation.

It has been proven now since.

Yeah, I mean, everybody knows that it's them.

It's

actually all the evidence.

Of course it's them.

There's no question.

I mean, they still don't admit it, right?

They don't admit it.

Just all the evidence points to them.

Yeah,

I mean, the Russians deny that they said we didn't invade Ukraine.

We didn't shoot down that plane.

We're not bombing civilians in Syria.

Oh, that plane.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

You're right.

That plane.

Yes.

I was thinking of another plane.

You're exactly right.

You know, there's two Malaysian planes.

The one that got shot down going from Amsterdam to Kuala Lampur got shot down over at Ukraine.

Correct.

298 people.

200 of them were Dutch.

And these Dutch people,

this is the Dutch equivalent of September 11th in terms of the number of people killed per capita by a terrorist.

Putin did that.

Wow.

No question.

So how are you feeling about

how

the right played FTSE a little bit with Putin?

Then the left is now playing FTSE

with Putin

or was the left.

And now the right, and I'm talking about the people.

The right is now starting to say, oh, no, Putin's not so bad.

He's just kind of like us.

And yeah, they got some problems.

But it's a different category entirely.

How do you respond to the American people?

It's shocking

anyone who believes that Putin is a

normal human being.

This man is a cold-blooded killer.

I've seen it with my own eyes.

And it goes on and on and on.

And it's just ignorance.

I mean, anybody who thinks that somehow we have any shared situation with him, any shared values, any shared interests,

it's just misinformation.

It's wrong.

And

part of my goal is to try to inform people.

I'm glad you're giving me this opportunity to tell the story on your show because people who take that view just do not have the information, and they need to have that information.

So I want to get into a little bit to Fusion GPS.

These are the people that

came out and they were the ones ones that produced the dossier on Donald Trump and the golden showers and all that stuff.

It's a really bad organization.

And both sides of the aisle in America are dealing with these people.

And I don't understand it.

And I'd like you to try to, if you can, take us through a little bit of that when we come back.

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Bill Browder is with a CEO of Hermitage Capital Management, lives in London, if I'm not mistaken, Bill.

Yep.

His lawyer was Magnitsky from the Magnitsky Act.

That was the thing that apparently Donald Trump Jr.

and his people were meeting with the Russians about.

They say it was adoption.

They don't care about adoption, at least the Russians don't care about adoption.

This was about the repeal of the Magnitsky Act.

He has firsthand knowledge on all of this.

Let me start here with you, Bill.

Fusion GPS.

This is the organization that

apparently

had a dossier on

Donald Trump, you know, the whole golden shower thing, all of that crap.

It has been apparently,

you know, debunked and said most of it is not real.

I want to not focus on the dossier, but I want to focus on fusion GPS.

Are they an arm of the Russian government?

Well,

I'm not sure whose arm they are of, but I have my own experience with Fusion GPS when they were hired by the Russian government, or I should say by

a Russian government official,

to basically run a disinformation campaign against the Magnitsky Act and against me in Washington.

They were effectively going out last year, a guy named Glenn Simpson, who is the founder of GPS.

He was running around meeting with and discussing with journalists,

trying to get them to write stories to say that Sergei Magnitsky, my lawyer, had not been murdered, that he died of natural causes.

Glenn Simpson was trying to get the journalists to write Vladimir Putin's version of the story to whitewash what the Russian government had done, being paid for by the Russian government.

So, who are they exactly, Fusion GPS?

Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch are both

former Wall Street Journal reporters.

They left, I don't know, a few years back, set up this firm called Fusion GPS.

They call it Opposition Research,

which sounds sort of legitimate,

researching people's backgrounds.

But what I saw them doing to me, and I'm not the only victim of this, is that they were effectively

doing

disinformation smear campaigning,

spreading false information to try to cast doubt on me and on Sergei Danitsky.

And I'm not the only one.

There's another human rights activist from Latin America named Thora Halverson, and Thor was trying to expose corruption in Venezuela.

And these people were

Fusion, GPS, and Glenn Simpson were hired by the Venezuelan oligarchs to

smear Thor and his human rights activist colleagues.

So

if they are acting on behalf of Venezuela oligarchs and Russia and Putin, why aren't they registered under the Foreign Agent Registration Act?

Well, that was my question as well.

I had the exact same question.

After they ran this big campaign last spring and last summer, I went and checked into the database to see if they had registered and any of the other people, because it wasn't just them.

It was a whole team of people hired by the Russians, lots of Americans involved, and none of them had registered.

And so I wrote a ⁇ and just so you understand.

You're required to register under the law.

There's something called the Foreign Agent Registration Act.

It was put in place to prevent Nazi propaganda from being spread in America during the Second World War.

It's very important.

And

these guys hadn't registered.

And so I wrote a criminal complaint to the Counterintelligence Division of the Department of Justice saying that these people didn't comply with FARA, the Foreign Agent Registration Act.

I filed it in the summer of last year.

And

as far as I could tell, there doesn't seem to be any big investigation going on.

And so

So here's the question, though.

I mean, we have the

Democrats supporting

the, you know, paying into Fusion, the biggest Democratic supporter, paying into Fusion.

We have the FBI hiring GPS Fusion.

I mean, do, I mean, you can't tell me that the FBI isn't aware of who these people are.

I'll tell you what, I have to take a look.

I have to take a break, and I don't want to cut you off in the the middle of that.

I'm sorry, I lost track of the clock.

Hold on to that answer and give it to me fully, and then we go into what you think

happened in that office with Donald Trump Jr.

and especially Paul Manafort.

He's the real troublesome character here.

Back in just a second.

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So the Magnitsky bill that we've heard a lot of talk of, but most people don't know it other than the sanctions against Russia, it passed 419 to 3.

So it is...

Well, that's the new sanctions bill against Russia.

It still is.

This is bipartisan.

This is confirming that.

It is bipartisan.

The people in Congress at least seem to know

who Donald Trump is.

At least they're acting like it.

This all leads really to the heart of all of our governments and to chaos that I believe Russia is trying to sow all over the world.

Let's go to

the

Fusion GPS, which is the company that came up with this dossier on Donald Trump.

The FBI has used it.

The Democrats have used it.

I mean, do they know who these people are?

I would assume that they don't, just based on the fact that anyone engaging with them should certainly know the background of what they did, that they tried to do with me and what they've tried to do with this other human rights activist, Thor Halberson.

You know, these people are are professional liars, essentially.

And so,

you know, I don't have any insight into the credibility of the Trump dossier.

I understand that the person who he subcontracted is quite well regarded.

But Glenn Simpson is a professional liar.

He has gone out and lied on behalf of Vladimir Putin and on behalf of some Venezuelan oligarchs.

And that's to try to discredit human rights activists.

And that's not a good thing.

Aaron Powell, Jr.: Okay, so let's go over because Donald Trump Jr.

finally admitted that,

yes, he met with Natalia Velodnitskaya and others.

First it was just her.

They were talking adoption.

Then it came out as more.

First,

let's start with her.

Who is she?

So Natalia Veselnitskaya, so this is the lady who showed up at Trump Tower, the Russian lawyer.

She didn't go there on her own volition, on her own initiative.

She went there being paid for and funded by a family in Russia.

It's a family called the Khatsiv family, K-A-T-S-Y-Z.

The Katsev family

is headed by a man named Peter or Pyotr Katsiv.

He was the former transportation minister of the Moscow region, which is a region the size of France.

He's now a vice president in the second most important government, Russian government-owned company called Russian Railways.

And he's a very wealthy man.

I should say his family is very wealthy.

And he's a senior member of the Putin regime.

She was there in New York on his dime.

He was paying for her time and effort.

And

she was there with one specific ask.

And

let's not mince words here.

She was not talking about adoption.

There's nothing to her meeting had nothing to do with adoption.

It's a total it's a total red herring to be throwing out this adoption nonsense.

She was there to talk about trying to repeal a piece of legislation which is on the books in America, which punishes Russian torturers and murderers and makes sure that they can't use the American banking system or come and travel to America.

That's what she was there to do.

And

that was where she was there to ask the son of the possible future next President of the United States for that particular favor.

Okay, we know this is true because of the documents documents that Donald Trump Jr.

himself was forced to release by the New York Times,

that they were more than eager to hear the dirt and to accept that the Russian government was for them.

They got this really through a friend, the Al Galarov family.

Now, this is this makes the way this is being spun is that Donald Trump was a hapless dupe,

and this Al Galarov is not a bad guy.

And so what if he has some dealings with the Russian government?

That's not ⁇ this is just a guy who's a businessman that Donald Trump knows.

Is that true?

Well, you know,

I don't know what was going on on the side of the Trumps.

I honestly don't.

I mean, if anyone had done any even basic Google search on this woman, they would have found out that

her main public claim to fame is representing the same family as they were being indicted by the U.S.

Department of Justice for money laundering in connection with the $230 million that Magnitsky discovered.

I mean, that's not a particularly good resume filler to get a meeting.

And so either they didn't do a basic Google search

or they did and just decided to hold their nose when they had the meeting.

Let me play devil's advocate here with you.

So what?

I mean, John Adams

was representing the British, and that's very unpopular.

What is the problem with

a

defendant?

No matter, you know, Al Capone needed an attorney.

What's the problem?

Well,

there's no problem with him needing an attorney, but there's a problem if Al Capone had met with a presidential candidate to say, hey, can you get me off of my crimes?

That would be a little bit of a different story.

So tell me about Galarov.

Do you know anything about him?

I only know about him from what I read in the paper.

He's another Russian oligarch that was friends probably with Mr.

Katsev because these guys travel in packs, but I don't have any specific knowledge about him.

Okay.

So when that meeting happened, I believe Paul Manafort was in that meeting, was he not?

Paul Manafort, Paul Manafort is a guy that I've been trying to explain to our audience for quite some time, is deeply in with the Russians.

You want to give a little bit of background on him and then

what he had to have known about this meeting?

Well, so Paul Manafort has a very dubious background.

He's worked for a lot of kleptocrats and dictators around the world.

But the one that's most relevant to our conversation is that he was working for the

this guy, his name was Viktor Yanukovych, who at one time was the president of Ukraine.

And now people people often think of Ukraine and Russia being at war.

He was the Russians' puppet in Ukraine.

So he was Putin's guy in Ukraine.

And effectively, the reason that Ukraine and Russia are at war now is because the Ukrainian people, when they discovered how much money he stole from the country,

they drove him out.

He had to flee in the middle of the night on a helicopter.

And then the next day, they discovered his compound.

with like gold-plated taps and a garage with 120 classic cars and duck ponds and all sorts of crazy stuff.

This guy was a total, absolute crook.

He was Putin's crook, and he was the boss of Paul Manafort, and Paul Manafort's job was to keep him in power.

So

when the emails, which he was on the email chain, was going around, and

a meeting was asked, and he saw Natalia Veladskaya,

her name there, and what they were going to to talk about.

Any doubt in your mind that Paul Manafort knew exactly what this meeting was, who was behind it, and that it's a meeting that nobody in a presidential campaign should be having?

You know,

that's what it looks like on the surface, but I don't really want to get into sort of trying to define his state of mind.

I don't know what he was thinking or not thinking.

Is there any way that he didn't know who the if he read the emails that he didn't know that this was Russian government coming in?

Well, the emails suggested that for sure.

I mean, so let's put it this way.

If I had read the emails, I would have known that, but I don't know what he was thinking.

And it would be wrong for me to put my own thoughts in his mind.

You tracked a lot of this corruption here to the United States.

And a lot of this money has come to the United States.

Do the companies here in the U.S., are they aware of what's going on?

The FBI, DOJ, anywhere in the U.S.

government, anywhere, anybody doing anything about the massive money laundering that's going on with the Russians here with U.S.

companies?

A tiny bit.

I mean,

we identified some of the money from the murder of Sergei Magnitsky and

we alerted the Justice Department and they opened up a very big criminal case and had a lot lot of lawyers working on it, and eventually settled for $6 million.

But

it was a tough and strong team from the DOJ.

Having said that,

let me answer the question more broadly, which is that effectively Russia and a lot of other crooks and kleptocrats are getting away with murder as far as the financing and financial flows in the United States go and other countries as well.

I mean, I would say that 99.9% of dirty money goes to where it's intended to go without being disrupted in any way.

Years ago, I was on CNN and I did an interview after, I can't remember his name.

He was killed by Putin in England.

They gave him some

polonium.

What is it?

212 or 220 or whatever it is.

Lit Finnienko was his name.

Yes, thank you.

And I was talking to a guy who was here in the United States.

He was also a guy who was, Putin was after,

and he gave me a long list of all the people that had been killed around.

And about six months later,

he was, I think he died in a car accident.

And

I've always wondered if that was Putin or if that was a car accident.

The people around you are dying

and you're continuing.

Have you made peace with

this?

Have I made peace with that?

Well, I mean,

basically,

my psychology is that Sergei Magnitsky, who was my lawyer,

was in a much graver danger, much, much more tenuous situation.

And he never sacrificed his integrity, and he fought for truth and justice and for his loyalty to me, and he died doing that.

And I'm in a you know, I may be in danger, but I'm in a much safer situation.

Do you have the 24 security?

And I mean,

have you ever seen any direct attempt coming your way or

threat coming your way?

Yeah, absolutely, in a lot of different ways.

And threats are coming to my way on a regular basis.

I mean, the Prime Minister of Russia at the World Economic Forum in Davos was asked by a number of prominent journalists, what do you have to say about the Magnitsky case?

And he said, it's too bad that Sergei Magnitsky is dead and Bill Browder is still alive and running around.

That's the prime minister of Russia saying that.

Wow.

Bill, we will add you to our prayers.

And I appreciate the way you've handled yourself

in front of Congress and here, not wanting to

just get involved in the politics.

I've given you a couple of opportunities and you took me up on none of them.

And

I really appreciate that.

Thank you for your integrity on this and your willingness to stand up in facing your own personal danger.

Thank you so much, sir.

Thank you.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

Bill Browder, he is the CEO of Hermitage Capital Manager.

He seems like a stand-up guy.

He does.

He's got a weird past.

A very weird past.

Yeah.

I don't know much about his past.

Jason.

He renounced his citizenship, right?

Yeah, he announced his American citizen.

That would have have been an interesting question.

I didn't realize that.

I would like to have him on again,

and we'll ask him that.

But I'd like to know that he is also at one point, I think he was a communist, wasn't he?

No, his grandfather was.

That's right.

His grandfather was a communist.

The head of the party, actually.

Communist Party USA.

Yes.

Wow.

I mean, he's got a very different, and now to be the head of a capital fund, a hedge fund, is really quite interesting.

He's got quite a life story to tell.

And this is just another turn in it.

But we have much more.

This

actually, full disclosure to you, this is actually just some research that we're doing on a much larger story that we hope to have finished by the middle of September

and

be able to put all of this together on a massive chalkboard so you can understand

all of the pieces of the Russia story because

I am totally convinced

it doesn't matter who was elected.

Anyone who is willing and both Clinton and the Trump family both willing to play footsies with the Russians, it doesn't matter.

If Donald Trump would have lost, Hillary Clinton would have been here and we would have had the same kind of conversation that we're having now.

And we all just would have switched chairs.

We all would have been saying, this has to be investigated.

This is treason.

We would have been saying it.

Because Donald Trump won, they're saying it.

We need to find a way to come to the truth where we're both sides saying the same thing.

And the first thing you have to get to is Putin is evil.

He is a stone-cold killer.

And he is trying to cause chaos in the West and correct what he says is the biggest mistake in 20th century history and bring back the soviet empire now this

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There's some really important stories we just never got to today.

First of all, there is the Australian spider story at Glenbeck.com.

This story is.

I couldn't even touch my screen.

It was so creepy.

This couple goes out in Australia and they go and they open up their barbecue.

They're going to go cook in the barbecue, and there's a spider that crawls out from behind it and goes on the patio door.

Oh my gosh!

I would denounce my citizenship as an Australian if they had spiders like that.

Um, you have to see it at Glennbeck.com.

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