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I hate to start your Monday off on this, but we have to.

We all have to decide who we are and what we believe.

And we either believe in the Bill of Rights or we don't.

Look at what happened in Venezuela this weekend.

You know, they're voting to change the Constitution and basically

they're voting to put it into a dictatorship.

And this is going to happen all over the world, mark my words, all over the world.

We're going to slide into fascism and communism, totalitarianism,

any of those isms.

It's going to happen because chaos is ruling.

And when chaos rules, people look to any strong man

just to stop the insanity.

It's human nature.

We would like to think we're immune from that.

But 45%

of Americans now say

that courts should be able to shut down media

that has too much of a pointed view, a point of view.

By the way,

that's just the First Amendment.

Don't worry about that.

But the GOP

is not the savior on this one.

Do we believe in the First Amendment?

We go there, and I want to hear your voice right now.

I will make it stand, I will raise my voice, I will hold your hand.

Cause we are one,

I will be my drum.

I have made my choice, we will overcome,

Cause we are run.

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45

to 20.

45%

say,

yeah.

The judge.

A judge should be able to say,

you have too much point of view and shut down a newspaper or a news organization, television station, cable company, online, whatever it is.

You have too much of an opinion.

Holy cow, Americans, you better pay attention to this.

First, they came for the labor unions and I said nothing because I wasn't a union member.

Remember how that ends?

And then they came for me and no one was around.

So you want to to start giving people the right to shut people down

if they have too much of an opinion.

Well, what about talk radio?

45% of Republicans are for this.

Only 20% of Republicans are against.

The rest are I don't knows.

How is that even possible in today's world?

Well, I'll explain.

It's possible because so many people have done so much to discredit themselves.

And do you remember talking about a time that people won't know what to believe or who to believe?

Too many people have discredited themselves and now

it's up to you.

And now, hopefully, you have some credibility left and you can say to your friends and family, don't go there.

Don't go there.

I know it feels good, but don't go there.

Why wouldn't people just shut down talk radio?

Why wouldn't they just shut down the talk radio that they don't like?

Why not shut down Fox News?

Republicans are thinking that they can shut down CNN or NPR or or I don't know what, MSNBC, too much of an opinion.

But where does that stop?

Who decides?

The mob?

The judges?

The judges?

You want court systems?

The same people who have helped get us into this mess?

The same people who don't understand the Second Amendment?

You want them to now start to parse the First Amendment?

The same court system that said that O.J.

Simpson wasn't guilty?

I don't.

Small government and conservative principles

have nothing to do with this.

This is fascism.

The First Amendment

is there because the world has gone through this time and time and time again.

How many things

do we have to see in our own lifetime?

How many things do we have to read in history books?

And for

that not to be relevant, well, nobody reads history.

Nobody's paying attention.

Okay, how many things do we need in pop culture to tell us that this always leads to dark places?

How many people watched Games of Throne

of

Game of Thrones a couple of weeks ago, 17 million?

Broke all records?

Have you noticed what life is like there?

Do you think that's protected speech?

What happens when

you shut a news organization down?

Do you think those people just go away, or do they find other ways to communicate?

Do I now have to shut them down on the internet?

Do I now have to shut them down as individuals?

And if they still won't be shut down, if they still go around town and they become a town crier and they're just saying it to their friends and anybody else who will listen,

do we have to jail them?

How do we silence them?

This is a disaster.

Shutting down news organizations that are publishing stories that are biased

or inaccurate.

How are we going to decide which what is inaccurate?

We can't even we don't don't, how do we define that?

Half of the country is saying that,

is saying that

something that the president's son himself released

wasn't released or wasn't true.

Is reporting on that something that is a verifiable fact

that what is it, 45% of conservatives don't believe is a fact?

He released it himself.

He released it in advance because the New York Times was coming out six minutes later.

I could understand if you said, I don't believe the New York Times, but now you're saying that something that Donald Trump Jr.

did

didn't happen.

And if it did, it was fake.

Why would he release bad information about him?

The righteous didn't suddenly become righteous.

They just refused to go over the cliff with everyone else.

So how do we solve this one?

Well, we have to start teaching

the Constitution.

We have to start teaching history.

And

I thought

that we needed to spread it.

I thought we needed to get it outside of our own circles, but we don't.

We need to be rock solid in our own circles.

We need to start teaching critical thinking.

You know, the best critical thinker I know is a guy who

grew up with Torah studies.

I think the best critical thinkers, honestly, are those who went through Torah studies.

Maybe we should just start teaching the Torah.

That gets your God and your critical thinking.

We're sicker

than we presumed.

There's a quote.

I've been saying it lately a lot.

A friend told it to me.

And I can't remember who it is.

It's like Xerxes or

somebody from a billion years ago, some Greek.

And what he said was, in a nutshell,

people don't rise to the occasion.

They don't rise to the level of expectations.

They don't.

They rise to the level of their preparedness and knowledge.

Now think of that.

Think of all of the people

that rose to the occasion in the darkest hours.

They were always the people, Abraham Lincoln, who had gone through something

in advance and really prepared themselves, knew who they were.

and prepared themselves.

Corey Tenboom

she grew up in a family that knew exactly what it was and her father prepared the whole family for those times

Dietrich Bonhoeffer that's what he did for a living

he had something in him that allowed him to think differently and he started to think about the future and what was coming and before it hit he had already decided, I'm not going there, I'm not going there, I'm not going there, what am I going to do?

We're living in a time right now where

people are struggling and

it's Maslov's hierarchy of

of needs.

And what's on that first base.

Can you look one of of those when you guys look this up real quick maslov's law is you know the hierarchy of needs is is is you know i've got to have food and water and shelter

protection

that's a baseline

and you it won't allow you to look at anything else

If you don't have that baseline,

you don't have the privilege of looking toward anything else.

Do you have it, Pat?

What is it?

Food, water, warmth, rest, basic needs.

Safety needs, security and safety.

That's the next level?

Yeah.

Then after that, belongingness and love needs, intimate relationships and friends.

Just above that, esteem needs, prestige and feeling of accomplishment.

And then at the top, self-actualization, achieving one's full potential, including creative activities.

How many times do I talk about

we're born for this time?

That's self-actualization.

That is, what am I here for?

What is my purpose?

There are so many people that are down at the bottom all over the world

that are looking for food, water,

shelter, warmth.

Then

they're at security.

That could be jobs.

That could be, I need my health care so my whole family doesn't crater.

I've got a terminal illness, or I have an illness, or my son or daughter has an illness.

Do you think Charlie Gard's parents

were thinking in the last six months about self-actualization?

All they were thinking about was saving their child's life.

That's it.

If you have the ability now to be thinking about,

I'm here for a reason,

you're a lucky one and you're going to become more rare.

You have to now say, who am I going to be when the time gets trouble for me and it's not enough just to think about it.

You actually have to prepare for it.

And while you're doing that, we have to go help the people at the bottom, the people who don't have the ability now to think beyond:

look, I'll do whatever I have to do.

The media has got to shut up because we've got to get things done.

They can't see past what the media is doing.

And so they just want to get something done.

And we've always been against, no, no, no, no.

You don't just get something.

Somebody's got to do something.

If we could just save the life of one child, that's never worked for us.

But it's working now.

Because we have massive pain inflicted on a lot of Americans.

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So,

here we are.

45% of Republicans are now saying

that

the judges should be able to say that newspaper needs to be shut down or that television network needs to be shut down or that reporter needs to be shut down because they're either too biased

or they're not telling the truth.

And did you see it was only 18% of Democrats want the same thing?

If the chairs would have been flipped?

Yeah, if you had a question.

Had you asked that question

when Fox News was at its height.

Oh, my gosh, it would have been 80% of the time.

Yeah, it would have been 80%.

Yeah, I mean, it would have been, I mean, we're just switching chairs.

It just depends on who's on power, in power.

And that is the secret of recognition of the First Amendment.

The only

voice that people don't want to hear, that the bullies don't want to hear,

those are the ones that you have to protect.

The one that majority says is fine doesn't matter.

You have to protect the voice that nobody wants to hear.

And that's the thing.

43%, a plurality of the population, hasn't heard enough to form an opinion yet about whether the state should be allowed to target news outlets for closure.

You haven't heard enough.

I mean, it was the 1700s we're talking about here.

They don't know that.

No, I know.

And that's the problem, right?

They don't know that.

And the fact that they're switching

is a very human instinct.

We can criticize it all we want, and it is very human.

It should be criticized, but it's very human unless you have a foundational principle that you're acting on.

Unless there's something guiding you other than what feels good at this moment.

Correct.

And understanding, you know, look,

here's the problem.

And we've engaged in this.

I can give you this story.

MTV Moon Man gets a new PC name.

Okay, the new MTV award.

It's no longer a moon man.

It's a moon person.

It can't be real.

No, it is real.

It's real.

It's real.

Variety is reporting it.

Yeah.

So it's real.

It's a moon person.

Now, think of the cheers that went up for the people who tried to get MTV to change that to a moon person.

Oh, yeah.

Now, think of how ridiculous their life is, that they think that that actually makes a difference.

That's the problem.

What we would normally do is mock those people and ridicule them like crazy.

Where does that get us?

Where does this this get the moon man?

Who cares?

Who cares?

We need to talk about issues that actually

impact people

and usually those revolve around the Constitution and basic needs.

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It was March 20th, 1854,

and it happened in Ripon, Wisconsin.

Any idea what it was?

1854, March 20th, Ripon, Wisconsin.

Huge.

Made a massive impact on our country.

What was it?

Can you give us any more details?

Yeah, March 20th, 1854, Ripon, Wisconsin.

It could be a lot of things.

Huge.

I bet a lot of things happened that day.

The Gatling gun was invented.

I'm going to say

The Follette was born.

No, first and only happened there.

This is the first time and only time something happened that was successful.

Doesn't that look pretty?

And it's still around today and impacts our life.

Jeffy's diet.

And not Jeffy's.

No, it was in 1884.

And we are currently...

at a new crossroads exactly the way we were at 1854

that this solved last time and now it it is the problem, or one of them.

The GOP.

Yes.

The GOP, the very first time and only time a third party was, a third successful party was born,

and it stood against the, quote, twin relics

of barbarism.

Hmm.

Sure, it doesn't do that anymore, does it?

You couldn't say that the GOP stands against

it.

Okay, so

here were the twin relics of barbarism, slavery and polygamy.

Wow.

Those were the two twins that Congress would not take seriously.

Hmm.

Bizarre.

Didn't know that, did not know that about

polygamy in 1854.

No.

I guess maybe because slavery was so much bigger.

But Congress wouldn't do anything.

Now, here we are again.

We have

our twin relics of barbary.

I would say

spending and corruption.

What would they be today?

War and corruption?

There's so many things now.

The end of the Constitution and spending, what is it?

All of that.

I think it's corruption.

I mean, corruption has to be one of them.

I mean, you're only making it two because it was two back then.

Well, doesn't mean it's two now.

Yeah, no, I know.

But I think we could probably boil that down, and it would probably come down to just a couple of things that are the real problem here.

Now, third party.

If a third party were to start today,

it would have to do what the third party did did in 1854, and that is eliminate one of the parties.

It would have to eliminate either the Democrats or the Republicans, because right now we all know that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are beginning to fuse into one.

I mean, you know, tell me the difference between

both sides of the same coin.

Yeah.

Tell me the difference between the health care debate that the Republicans just had and the health care debate that the Democrats had, except the Democrats were successful.

Tell me the difference.

There is no difference.

Okay.

Tell me the difference between.

Winning, right?

I mean, that's the difference.

Tell me the difference between the spending habits of the Democrats and the Republicans.

No difference.

None.

The tax plans between the Republicans and the different and the Democrats.

Well, we'll see.

Yeah.

Relatively

no difference.

I mean, they're within 10 points of each other.

I mean, the Steve Bannon pitch is exactly the pitch we've been getting from Democrats for

10 years.

Tax the rich more, lower it on lower, on lower brackets.

Paul Ryan did say, however, they're going to stick the landing on tax reform.

Oh, good.

Yeah.

We're all set to do that.

So we got that going for us.

They're going to stick the landing.

Okay.

So now here's the problem.

Conservative principles have not become about the free market.

Conservative principles

have become nothing more than

we will save, fill in the blank.

And it's not even the Western way of life.

It's not even the Constitution.

It's really none of those things.

Tell me the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats on education.

They both were for Common Core.

Yeah, they were.

Yeah.

I mean, they're both going down the same route.

So they're not saving the Republic.

They're not saving our history.

What are they conserving?

They seem to me to be conserving their own job more than anything else, their own power.

Because they don't think conservative ideas are popular.

And conservative style, I mean, what is conservative style?

What is that?

The conservative what?

What's popular about being a conservative?

Zero.

Now, what's hurting the conservative movement is the fact that conservatives are saying, generally, I will save your job.

Well, you can't save jobs in the era of globalization.

Well, that's why I'm against globalization.

Well, you can be against globalization all you want.

It's kind of like being against air.

What happened is the conservative, sorry, the

free market Adam Smith ideas

that America unleashed on the world have taken off all over the world.

And so now entrepreneurs through another American invention, the internet,

are growing everywhere.

And they're growing in the community of

where those entrepreneurs are and those natural resources we don't have to take the natural resources from the jungle anymore and ship them over here to be made they can be made there by the people who live there and they can be shipped to us

i can find a cricket bat online i don't have to go to great britain i don't have to go and call people who happen to be from Great Britain or India and say, hey, dude, who makes cricket bats?

I can go online.

Go online right now, Jeffy.

Find out where I can buy a cricket bat.

Let's see how long it takes.

I'm guessing you could go to Academy Sports and buy a cricket bat.

Okay.

I mean,

how crazy is this world now?

Yeah.

That's good.

Good sporting goods.

$79.99.

Okay.

Unbelievable.

Go see if you can find, see if you can find

an authentic English or Indian cricket bat.

Who makes the best?

Well, there's the cricket store online.

The entire cricket store online.

Look at this.

Look at this.

That's globalization.

And that is good.

That's good.

Globalist.

Listen to this globalist right here.

Globalization has brought the benefits of capitalism to the entire world.

to places where international trade had never ever been known.

Now it's local entrepreneurship for them, capitalism for them,

and capitalism for us.

And there are no barriers.

That's all good.

Where it gets bad is where governments and corporations begin to get involved.

Now this also means that we have for the last hundred years had capitalism.

and had the resources.

We are full of more resources than any other space on the planet.

We have the cheapest energy on the planet, or did.

We had the most stable government on the planet, or did.

As our resources, like stability and energy, begin to dry up, others are going to be more competitive.

As we have said,

Okay, I want a better life.

I want more time off.

I want this.

I want that.

I want a higher salary.

I want more pension.

Those people who were just like us a hundred years ago, they're like, I don't need any of that.

I just, I just want to create.

I'd like to be able to eat and to feed my family.

Of course they're going to come up with something and they're going to try to sell it to us.

And of course we're going to buy it because it'll be cheaper.

If you don't like globalization, do not buy anything at Walmart or Target or any place that sells things cheaply because they're getting it from other parts of the world that can make those things cheaper.

The conservative movement has become that,

an obstacle to that.

We were in an exclusive club.

We're not in that club anymore.

It's not avoidable, and it's also not reversible.

That doesn't mean we're going to like it.

We don't.

People won't like it.

People won't like it when it's happening to their country in reverse.

So now

we need a party that is actually going to do what?

Well, make us more competitive by balancing the budget in a responsible way.

But where's the constituency for that?

Reforming entitlements.

These are going to kill us and cripple us, and then we will not be competitive at all.

In fact, our children will be slaves to whoever has taken the title from America.

Where's the constituency for that?

They're too young to vote.

Where's the constituency for actually shutting down the education system that we have?

We all know it doesn't work.

We all know.

Republicans and Democrats, we all know.

But what we won't do is actually

do anything about it because of labor unions,

because many of us are paralyzed, because we don't know,

because many of us are too busy to actually get involved in things like that.

The parties are craven.

They're cowardly.

They're corrupt.

But the main problem

with developing a third party and doing what happened in 1854, which saved the Republic, when we got to this position, What saved the Republic was 20 people who got together from both sides of the aisle, Whigs and Democrats, mainly Whigs, and said, neither party is serious about solving this slavery thing.

I'm out.

But there was enough people that wanted an end to slavery.

Are there enough people

that want what the conservative movement is selling?

If you want to fix America, conservatives, you first need to figure out a way to explain to America

why they should want that.

That's not going to be easy.

But when we come to the table with that,

and not mockery, not lies,

not campaign promises that will always be broken, but with real true vision of what America can be, what America was, and what it's going to be, not again, but what it's going to be in a new era,

and why these tough steps are really important and they will affect you in a positive way, and why you want them.

When we hit that,

We'll begin to win

and quite honestly, we'll deserve to win.

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Welcome to it.

By the way,

Joel Osteen did not see this coming, and I don't know how this is going to affect.

I don't think anybody saw this coming.

I don't think so either, yeah.

Some big news.

Vicki Osteen is leaving the Lakewood Church to start her own facial cream business.

Oh my gosh, really?

Yeah.

She can't do both of those together?

No, no, no.

No.

Well, she kept it under reps and she was doing them together for a while.

Right.

But it's become so

successful that she doesn't want the company to be associated with Lakewood Church.

So now she's got to leave.

There's nothing offensive about this ad

with

her.

There's nothing that's harmful, detrimental to her, her husband, Lakewood Church.

You know, same thing with Chip and Joanna.

Nothing.

I think these lies, these face cream lies, I think they're fine.

Oh, they're great.

We would have never known had she not

been asked a separate question from that same reporter.

Was it the same reporter?

You went off script?

Did that same reporter go off script again?

And nobody knew about it?

No one knew

until they asked that question.

And now it's coming as a big shock to a lot of people.

I'm thinking Vicki as well.

Yeah, she's coming as a question.

It probably isn't surprising.

It's big

shock to her.

So incredible that they continue to get away with this.

Yeah, yeah.

Hey, the Al Gore movie came out this weekend.

I know we all went to see it.

Oh, man.

We have an update on that and so much more coming up.

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So Al Gore's got a new movie out.

Yay!

Oh, it sounds like an Oscar winner already.

It's an inconvenient sequel.

It was open in Some Cities limited release.

It's coming to a theater near you soon enough.

This is

where he's showing showing us.

Yeah.

I mean, a lot of the things that I said, in fact, almost all the things I said in the last movie didn't come true, but that's because we have, you know,

renewable, 100% renewable cities like Georgetown, Texas.

Wow, really?

We'll find out about Georgetown, Texas here in a second.

We have Alex Epstein in with us.

Epstein, he is the author of the book, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.

He also is with the Cato Institute.

For those of you,

the 45% of Republicans that think that we should

have a judge decide which media outlets can stay on because of their lies or their bias,

be careful because the minute you lose control and the other side loses control, this hour would be completely and immediately immediately banned.

The inconvenient sequel

with the really easy truth begins right now.

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I will raise my voice, I will hold your hand.

Cause we have won, I will beat my drum, I have made my choice, we will overcome,

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Welcome to the program, Alex.

I'm happy to say I did not go to

the opening weekend of Al Gore's new movie.

I'm sure people were beating a path to its door to see all of the truth.

Did he address in the movie, Alex, at all,

the idea that almost everything he said in the last movie was wrong?

This is probably going to surprise you, but his central claim is that he was even more right than he thought.

Wow, what a surprise.

Really?

I love that.

Really?

How exactly was he right?

Well, one thing that he does is with some of the specific predictions, such as the 20-foot rise in sea levels,

he acknowledges them at the beginning and then makes some other points and then pretends that they've been acknowledged and that he's been vindicated.

So one of them is, I guess, clever for that reason, to acknowledge and then to act like you've dealt with them,

which is more powerful than, I guess, not dealing with them or not acknowledging them.

But I think it's important that the central narrative of the movie is that A, you indicated this before with Georgetown, renewables are taking over over the energy world.

So fossil fuels are no longer necessary.

And B, climate is more dangerous than ever.

Those are the two threads.

And he says rightly that those were the two threads of the first movie.

So a lot of it hinges on: are those two claims true?

And they're not.

Okay, well, take me to the 100% renewable city like Georgetown, Texas.

So you see a really interesting image because you see this very self-satisfied mayor and board is very happy because this is allegedly the reddest county and the reddest city and the reddest state and the reddest country, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

And they're using 100% renewable.

Now, the first thing you see, if you're a serious viewer, is just a lot full of gasoline cars.

So this should this should and they say renewable energy, not renewable electricity.

So this should be a giveaway.

And then more broadly, I think if you think about it, you should know that, well, solar and wind are unreliable sources.

The proper name for them is not renewables, it's unreliables.

So

how is the whole town going to be powered at night and in different weather conditions?

That should be suspicious, and they should at least give you an explanation if such a magical feat is to be pulled off.

But that doesn't happen at all.

So if you look into it, this is actually a pretty standard dishonest practice.

What happens is there's a grid.

that has a bunch of reliable sources and then a little bit of unreliable energy.

And then people who want to look really good, they pay the grid to say, hey, we want credit for all the unreliable energy.

So in this case, there's something like 14% renewable, which includes hydro, which is reliable, but there's a solar and wind portion.

So Georgetown makes a contract with the grid that says, hey, we want you to label all of our grid electricity

solar and wind, and everybody else is dirty.

And we'll pay for that.

And that's what Apple and Facebook and Google do.

So it's just a pure accounting fraud.

Wait, wait.

That's amazing.

Wait.

How do you do that?

How do you, how do you

they just by if I have if I have a grid if I'm connected to the grid and I am using let's say solar I can only use so much solar for so long during the day

if I'm not using all that solar I put it back into the grid and then I can claim that I am completely clean, even though at night I may not be using batteries.

I may may be using the grid.

Right.

This is a much worse version of that because it's just the percentages

are so different.

I mean, I've thought of it this way.

Like, imagine that, I was thinking with Apple.

You imagine that Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, wants to cross the ocean without using fossil fuels.

He doesn't want to just have a sailboat, right?

Well, what does he need?

He needs fuel, oil, or diesel, or some form of oil fuel.

So, how is he going to be 100% solar and wind?

And And so, Al Gore's basic solution is: well, in addition to that, to the engine that's really doing the work, let's put a sail on top of the yacht so that it gets a little bit of power from the wind.

And then he says, Well, Tim Cook, we'll pay the other passengers.

So, they say they got the energy from the engine and you got the energy from the sail.

That's awesome.

That is awesome.

Oh, my gosh.

You have to admire it.

Oh, my gosh.

You have to admire it at some level.

At some devious level, you have to admire it.

So he says the

catastrophic temperature rise, sea level rises, flooding, drought, storms, and disease, all of that has come true.

Can you take those apart one by one?

Well, can I take them apart all at once and then we can do one by one?

Oh, sure, yeah.

Because I think as a viewer of this movie, we have a responsibility, which is to demand that people who document important issues give us the whole picture about those issues.

So one thing we should ask ourselves is

what would the whole picture look like?

What kind of evidence would we need?

And in terms of a climate catastrophe, climate getting catastrophically dangerous, the number one thing we would need to know is what is the trend?

What is the global trend?

Not just one example, but what's the global trend of climate-related deaths, people dying from storms and floods?

Because this is what Gore is claiming is worse.

Now, anyone watching this movie would infer, because Gore doesn't give this data, but they would infer that millions of people a year are dying from climate, and this is worse than ever.

But in fact, if you look back, billions of people used to die from climate before we were industrialized fully.

So in the 30s, you had millions of people here to die from climate.

But last year, I don't think anyone could imagine this.

They tally all climate-related deaths from international disaster database, from storms and floods, and heat and cold and everything that's supposed to get worse.

And last year, the worst year ever, it's always the worst year ever.

There were 6,114 climate-related deaths globally.

Wow.

It's a huge drop.

It's over 90%

from not too long ago, less than 100 years ago.

Right.

And

it's because nature doesn't give us a safe climate that we make dangerous.

It gives us a dangerous climate that we make safe.

Have you seen, I saw an article this weekend about the permafrost melting.

And they're talking about how in Siberia these giant holes are opening up.

And in the article, I mean, the headline was something like climate change, you know, disaster, permafrost melting.

And I click on it.

And in the article, it quotes scientists as saying this has nothing to do with climate change.

This has something to do with the, I don't even know,

the axis or the tilt of the earth is changed.

Something has changed, but it has nothing to do with climate.

Have you read about this at all?

Well, I don't know if it has nothing to do with climate.

I think that the spreading of the term climate change as an allegedly coherent term is very destructive to thinking because it's not a coherent term.

So I just think it's easier to talk about CO2 levels.

So if we think, okay, do higher CO2 levels cause this,

probably like a lot of things, the truth is no.

But what I'm concerned about is not is there change, but how is human flourishing going?

And what human flourishing needs to go and to advance is lots and lots and lots of energy for everything in life, including protecting ourselves from the climate.

So I'd go so far as to say that even if we wanted to, at this point in technological history, we do not have the ability to make climate significantly more dangerous by our emissions, but we can make it far, far safer via energy.

We have Alex Epstein in.

He's the author of the book, Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.

He also is an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and heads up the Center for Industrial Progress.

You know,

the current thinking is just let this, you know, the old generation, like me, die

because everybody, you know, under 40 believes this to be true.

And so now they're just saying, just let it play out.

We'll get what we want.

you know, from the younger generation once the younger generation seizes power.

You see that as viable?

Any way to combat that?

Well, I've managed to escape.

I'm going to be 37 tomorrow.

So I don't know if

they want me to die.

They probably do.

Oh, I think they do want you to die.

They definitely want you to die, Alex.

Yeah, there's no question about that.

So I think that I'll tell you, my experience is actually very positive on this, which is that if these issues are explained a certain way, you can win a lot of people over.

I'm in San Francisco right now.

I spoke at Google last week on this, and I had a lot of success.

I think the key is this.

We have to, the way to do it is to not focus on is there climate change or not, which is a very vague kind of thing anyway.

So what's climate non-change?

So it's just this thing where that's not the issue.

The issue is what is the best policy if we look at the positives and negatives for human flourishing.

So I don't have to prove that fossil fuels have no impact on climate.

I have no desire to prove that.

I just have to show that overall,

it's a really, really good thing that we keep using fossil fuels and in fact use more than fossil fuels.

And that if we don't, it'll be really bad for a lot of people.

And in fact, I don't know if you remember this.

I remember this very well.

We talked a couple years ago, and I had told you that by using energy, we basically multiply our power by 96 by using machines and fuel.

And you said, hey, could you teach 96 people to do that?

And since then, to do what you do in terms of persuasion, since then, we have a couple of programs.

So, if you want to do this, if you have 96 listeners, we can just send them 96 of our programs and we can see how effective they are in persuading their peers.

I'd love that.

All right, so let's get some information on that.

I'd also like to ask you, Alex, if

you would like to

come down and hold our hand through the

inconvenient sequel,

because

I'd like to take a group of people who really want to know this,

want to know the facts, want to listen to both sides, and then can go in and

decide for themselves with the facts and then go do something about it.

I'm really interested in finding people from university campuses that would like to

discover the real truth and then

go out and and be able to combat this.

Would you be willing to come down and we'll take a group of listeners and then you can talk to us afterwards and prepare us to go out and we'll run it on TV and everything else.

Yeah, I would love to do that.

Okay, well, don't

you're so verbose.

What time is it

very early in the morning, I suppose?

No, no, no.

I mean, I have a lot that's fun is I have too many ideas about it.

Yeah.

But I, but I, uh,

I'll tell you one, but I just want to enthusiastically accept the invitation as the main thing.

But the one thing that I would consider, because I'm really interested in this, is just giving people before they watch the movie, not any facts, but a few questions or guidelines about it.

So

give those to us now if we happen to have somebody in our life who is going to it that we can say, hey, we want you to watch with these questions in mind.

What are they?

Okay, so one is, what does this movie want us to do?

That's very important to know.

What does this movie want us to,

what action does it want us to take?

And then two would be,

is it giving us the whole picture that we would need to take that action?

Is it giving us the whole picture?

So one thing would be, is it giving us both the positives and negatives of what it tells us to do?

Or is it just giving one side?

And even with that, you would disqualify 95% of documentaries as worthless.

Alex, thank you so much.

Love to have you on again.

We'll talk to you off the air.

He is the author of the book, Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.

Great book, you have to read.

The central argument, it seems, Gore makes in all of his previews is the single most common criticism from skeptics when the film came out focused on the animation showing the ocean water flowing into the World Trade Center Memorial site.

Skeptics called that demagogic and also absurd and irresponsible.

It happened on October 29th, years ahead of schedule.

That's his claim.

So he's saying, I called a flood of New York and a flood of New York happened.

Now, of course, you're right.

Sandy is what he's talking about.

This is something he was talking about.

Permanent sea level rise

of 20 feet.

Why?

And that would displace 100 million people.

Greenland melted.

Because Greenland melted.

That's why.

And the amazing part about it, he has such big balls that in that section of seven, there's a 72nd section about that claim.

In the section, he tells you all of the things that would prove his current claim wrong.

It's right.

It's legitimately like the next sentence after the one he features in the movie.

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Wow, so there's some there's some additional big news that our guest just

refused to look at.

Yeah, I mean, it's really

ignored.

He ignored the entire situation in Greenland.

Just You noticed that because that didn't fit his agenda.

Yeah.

Greenland, what?

There's been a lot of snow in Greenland this summer.

Oh, well.

It's bad.

It's bad.

Don't jump to some weird conclusion.

It's good because Greenland was supposed to melt.

Remember, that's what Al Roy said.

But here.

It was going to melt and the sea was going to rise.

Well, recent summers on the vast wide expanse of the Greenland ice sheet have featured some spectacular ice melt, including the alarming period in 2012 when nearly the whole surface showed signs of melt.

They have to say that because usually the interior is adding ice and the exterior is subtracting some.

But summer has in this summer has instead seen several bouts of snow staving off a big summer melt.

So what gives, while it may seem contradictory, those snows are actually something Greenland may see more of with global warming.

It does seem contradictory.

You're right.

Yeah.

So they have it both ways.

More snow is bad.

Snow.

And then less snow is also bad.

Pick one.

Pick one.

Wait, just pick one.

But why pick one when you can have both?

You can have both.

Right?

I want to eat my cake and have it too.

It's a good idea.

And it works for them.

Yeah, it does.

It does.

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Really interesting plot being

plotted right now by the president in the White House.

He has

now come out against the establishment of the GOP.

So first he came against the conservatives and the Freedom Caucus.

So those who were really strong in the Constitution and the free market.

And he put all of his eggs into the Reins Priebus, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan bag, which we knew to be a rotten bag from the beginning.

But trust the president, that's where he went.

Now he's taking on the entire GOP.

Where is he going?

Who is he going?

What constituency will he have?

The Democrats,

I think when they have power and they start to pass things and put it on his desk,

he will sign them.

So if they want to come up with some, you know,

thing that's, you know,

even more socialist on healthcare, I believe he will sign it because he will look at that as bipartisan wins.

And so you will have, in effect, a Republican president siding with a Democratic Congress because the GOP has destroyed itself.

He didn't.

They did.

They destroyed it.

And now he's just going to stand there and make sure that they stay in the grave.

And part of me celebrates.

It is time for a new party.

It is time for a new direction.

It is time for new leadership.

However they want to do it, that's fine with me.

But

I don't believe in the party at all.

I don't believe in the Democratic Party.

I don't believe in the Republican Party.

That was kind of the case of a story I read this weekend, basically saying that now because he's exised all of the establishment people from his cabinet, basically,

that he is essentially an independent.

Now, it's not exactly true, but it is an interesting theory in that he no longer has any back real back channels to Congress to help form policies.

He is not tied into that.

And that was what Spicer and Priebus and many others below him that have come and gone kind of allowed for.

It didn't really help, though, did it?

Oh, I'm not saying it did.

I'm just saying it's going to be interesting to see where he goes now because, I mean, really, the only person left in the cabinet that has a real connection to the Republican Congress is Mike Pence.

I mean, really,

there's no one there at this point with that sort of tight connection to influence policy.

But, I mean, that doesn't, that's not, again, that's not really the concern, I don't think, of the president.

I think the president wants to move things along.

He wants to, you know, collect his wins, and he's right now frustrated he's not getting those.

So he wants to go in a different direction.

It's going to be interesting to see if he can pull that off.

I mean, honestly,

from the Republican Congress, what I would like is them to work as an independent body.

Me too.

I don't know, a co-equal branch of government.

Let's throw out a crazy theory

and have them pass things that they believe are good, that they believe will advance the conservative cause, that will limit government, and give them to the president.

And you know what?

He's going to sign all of them.

He's going to sign all of them.

He's not going to care.

He's not going to push back against it.

He will sign all of them.

He is a legislative hall pass.

That is an incredible thing to get from a president.

You wouldn't have had that from President Cruz or President Jeb Bush or President anybody.

But you don't have.

What you have is very small men.

You have Mitch McConnell, who's not going to give up his power.

And he is going after people like Mo Brooks now.

He is, I mean, they are spending a fortune going after

anyone who was with the Freedom Caucus.

So the GOP under Mitch McConnell, targeting his own now.

You have the GOP.

The coffers are full.

They are taking in money hand over fist.

So he's doing his job.

He's making the GOP money, and we'll see in the midterms if they win elections.

Only after they lose elections will they think that maybe they should change

leadership.

But I mean, if this is a disaster and it continues this way, they don't get tax reform done, by the way,

if something like that goes along.

You're going to go into 2018 with no accomplishments.

They'll likely lose control of one or both in Congress, and then

the temptation will be there.

Yeah,

they will lose control of Congress possibly for the next 20 years.

I mean, you can't do what they just did to their base and expect anybody to vote or trust you again.

And

they think, well,

well,

we're just better than the other guys.

Yeah, but

that doesn't do anything but just make people say, I don't want a part of either of you.

I don't know.

It does seem to be a pretty good tactic.

It does seem to pay off in elections.

I don't know if it can pay off forever.

I don't think it's a good way to build a party or to build a, you know,

going to work for Donald Trump for a while.

It's going to work for him.

But I mean, remember,

the GOP congressman in 90% of districts outperformed Donald Trump.

90%.

This is not a huge, it's not like Donald Trump won where all Republicans lost.

I mean, he underperformed

the generic GOP congressman very consistently.

The issue here, though, is

they need to do something to justify that.

There are two things less popular than Donald Trump.

And that is Congress and the media.

He looks like the only guy.

If he starts pummeling Congress, in particular the Republicans, he'll become popular.

And

he's starting to do that.

And he's doing that.

Yep.

And you know what?

He's right on this.

I mean, I really do blame Congress for this, particularly the healthcare situation.

Oh, yeah.

It's absurd.

It completely blew it up.

Because they started with a crap heap of a plan that they couldn't pass.

Then they changed it a little bit and got it through the House.

Then they went to the Senate with a worse plan that they couldn't pass.

Then they went to the Senate with a plan that they all voted for before.

And then nine of them changed their, or seven of them changed their minds and voted against the thing they had already voted for.

And then what they failed to pass in the end was let's have another conversation in private about this.

They couldn't

pass that.

They couldn't even agree to talk about this.

That's how bad they are.

And the risk was they were worried that they would get rid of the individual mandate.

Like

the consequence, essentially, because the Senate was like, look, we're not going to, unless you promise we're going to go into conference, we're not going to pass this bill because this bill is a bad bill.

We're not going to pass this bill.

The bill essentially just got rid of the individual mandate.

It did almost nothing else except for a couple of delays of a couple of different taxes and regulations.

It did almost nothing else except get rid of the individual mandate.

They're going to get rid of the taxes.

Even that raised.

And just delayed them.

Right.

Even that they couldn't come to say, well, God forbid, the worst part of Obamacare,

they couldn't come to a conclusion that they should get rid of it.

So let me tell you something that I think has a real chance of passing.

The moderates, the left and the right, are coming together now and they're going to pass something.

And they're working on something called,

think of this, what is the problem with the world today?

It's in chaos.

You don't know what's up and down.

You don't know where tomorrow, what tomorrow is going to bring.

You're worried because the whole thing could collapse or blow up.

They've just come up with the Healthcare Stabilization Act.

Is this good?

Is this our insurance bailouts and

our stabilization acts, Du.

It doesn't matter what's in it.

So it's an insurance.

No, it doesn't matter what's in it.

It's going to stabilize the health insurance industry so we can make sure that we have a stable.

Are you opposed to stabilization of health care?

No.

You're certainly not a patron.

You're not a patriot.

In this form, I am lying.

Why do you hate people who want them to die?

So, is that what they're going to do?

You think they're going to go to that?

I'll bet they do.

Throw a bunch of money at the problem.

Basically, fix Obamacare.

Yeah.

They're going to go for a stabilization act.

And when I say fix Obamacare, I mean dump a bunch of money until it's broken again in a couple of years.

Yep.

But it will stabilize it because we just can't get it done.

And look, a lot of people really like this and are benefiting.

So let's just dump more money into it

and let more time time go by so it has

its fingers and its roots deeper

wrapped around our spinal colour.

We're just a few years away from being on the show begging for them to go back to Obamacare.

We will be on the air being like, gosh, if we could just get off this single payer and go back to Obamacare, which was really good.

That is how close.

They're going to move this Overton window until we can't even see it from where we are right now.

Let me go to Jeremy in North Carolina.

Hello, Jeremy.

Thank you, guys, for taking my call.

Greetings from the hole in the Bible Belt, aka the People's Republic of Asheville, North Carolina.

Reason for my call is

what's very disappointing, we have a Congress who has the perfect cover coming from

the president and his administration.

We've got all the crazy stuff going on, and the press is just watching that guy over there.

They could pass everything

and no one's paying attention.

Yet what do they do?

They just open the door in their face every single time and it's very disheartening and frustrating.

So what do you think that is caused by Jeremy?

Frankly,

I think Reagan said it best.

He said, I did not leave the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party left me.

And I'm the same way.

I left the Republican Party years ago when they nominated John McCain in 2008.

Oh, you were so far ahead of the curve.

Good for you.

Right.

So I look at them and I hear these guys and you hear, oh, I'm different.

I'm Tea Party.

I'm going to do this.

We're going to repeal.

We're going to repeal.

We're going to repeal Obamacare.

And it's right there in front of them.

It's very simple.

Simple vote, one-line bill that could be passed, and they do nothing.

And

as a small business operator,

it's been devastating.

It's frustrating.

And we just ask for some relief from the government.

Get out of our way.

Yep.

Thank you very much, Jeremy.

Anybody who is a small business person knows this chaos of not knowing what tomorrow brings is really what's killing us.

Stability, not from Congress, but from Washington entirely.

Get out of the way.

That kind of stability and trusting the American people would do wonders.

Just a tax cut.

Just the tax reform would help.

Stability is a great word.

Maybe we should do something like the Healthcare Stabilization Act.

That would give us the stability we all need.

Oh, my God.

I thought we talked about the taxation act.

Stabilization Act.

Yeah.

Just stabilize taxes right where they are.

A little higher.

Or a little bit higher.

Well, especially for the wealthy who aren't paying their fair share.

At some point, you've made enough money.

Thank you.

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we're gonna have to close down the exchange for a while

and may not be able to get your money out or make any exchanges.

And in the end, there may be two kinds of Bitcoin.

Yeah, it might not have any value, what you have, just so you know.

Right, but we're only going to take one.

And if it is the one that ends up having value, otherwise we'll try to price yours and sell.

And you're like, what?

What just happened?

I mean, it's crazy.

It's crazy.

Everything is up and air.

You know, the one thing that has always had value from the beginning is gold.

Will gold split into two currencies at any point in the future?

No, it will just be gold.

It will just be gold.

That's good.

That's a good point.

Gold won't be all of a sudden wallpaper.

You never saw anybody in any third world country that,

or, you know, first world country like Germany or probably this one that was like, oh, you know, I just, I use gold as toilet paper.

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He was physically abused by his father, sexually abused by his uncle.

He was diagnosed with 13 different personalities, was evaluated,

and

then told he needed to

transition from a male to a female.

He did.

Then he transitioned back to a male.

He was listening to commentary we had last week and wanted to talk to us about it

and

truly has a remarkable story to tell.

We'll talk to you about it.

I think he spent eight years as a woman, didn't he?

I think it was eight years.

So he's got some pretty good experience.

It's pretty amazing.

We'll talk to him coming up in just a second.

Also, Next Hour, Stu has a review of Atomic Blonde.

Fuck time.

Pat went to,

Pat was called by the bank.

They didn't think you were investing your money, right?

No, no.

And so they had some things that they could charge you to help, right?

Yeah,

they do.

Yeah, that's interesting.

They said some interesting things, like

the banking industry is about to release $4 trillion into the economy.

And $4 trillion?

That's going to spark the economy like crazy.

It sure will, and it'll burn down in inflation.

That's what I told him.

Like, if you, wow, you release $4 trillion all at once, we're going to have inflation at about 900%.

Oh, well, no, I'm sure they're going to do it in a reasonable way over time.

Oh, without who has this $4 trillion that they're going to rent?

Banks do.

Banks do.

This was an official bank representative

telling you this stuff.

Yeah.

You should probably pursue that.

We'll talk a little bit more about that next hour.

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Last week, President Trump tweeted out that he wouldn't allow transgendered individuals to serve in the military.

He wrote in an op-ed, I think he made the right decision.

As somebody who lived as a trans female for several years, I should know.

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Walt.

Yes.

How are you, sir?

Well, what a pleasure and an honor to be on your show, Glenn.

Thanks so much for inviting me on this today.

You bet.

I will tell you, Walt, that

you have a remarkable

story, and I don't know how much you're comfortable sharing, but can we start at the beginning of your story?

Oh, absolutely.

Sure.

Any questions you have, I want to answer right here for your audience.

Okay, so Walt, start with your childhood and your grandma and your dad and your uncle and everything else.

Yeah, well, I started out, you know, at four years old,

interested in female things and cross-dressing, and my grandmother helped me by making me a purple chiffon dress, which we both delighted in, And it was our little secret.

She did this when she was babysitting me.

And so that started the

journey of gender dysphoria,

journey of transgenderism, journey of confusion over gender.

And then

when my dad found out a couple of years later, when the secret was out, and both my mom and dad found out, my dad obviously was furious.

And he, you know, not knowing what to do.

Keep in mind, this is

before 1945, because I'm 76 years old.

So there wasn't much out there about this.

So he was,

you know, he's a part-time police officer, industrial goods salesman, strong guy.

And I'm sure inside him was just turmoil.

And so he decided that, you know, to toughen me up, he was going to exercise real strong discipline.

And when the secret got out,

my uncle, who was an adopted uncle, decided that, you know, it was appropriate to tease and sexually molest me.

So,

you know, before you get very old in life, you're cross-dressing and you've got some heavy discipline and then you're molested.

So it's not the best way to start.

So at 13, you were told you had multiple personalities.

Well, it wasn't quite that early.

I did start changing my name.

I became, I changed my name at 13 to Crystal West, and people began to wonder that I was confiding in, which was a small group of people.

And so

I didn't know what was going on.

All I knew is I had these very, very strong feelings, and it just didn't go away, Glenn.

They went on literally every hour in my head, I kept thinking that I was in the wrong body and that I should change to being a female.

Walter, I have to tell you,

I think America has changed from when you were young.

And I think we saw it with Bruce Jenner when he came out and said he's been feeling this way his whole life.

I don't know anybody, none of my friends at least, said anything, but I can't imagine going through that and the empathy of feeling that way,

I mean,

do you feel America has changed

when you can tell your story?

And I mean, I think the vast majority of people just, their heart breaks for you.

Well, yeah, I think my heart breaks for everybody who's struggling with it today.

You know, I'm fortunate because I've come out the other side.

I'm married now for 20 years, and I'm working with transgenders who want to detransition after they they found out, as I did, that it was not effective or proper treatment for things that happened during early childhood.

So,

you know, I'm quite comfortable with who I am as Walt today.

That must be politically incorrect.

You could be working with other transgender people.

And to even say that you can come out the other side and this is not, I mean,

that's...

a nightmare politically.

Well,

quite frankly, it happens quite a bit.

I've had as many as three people in a week contact me.

Some of them are doctors, physicians that are changing, airline pilots, two teachers

who are struggling to come out with the union and tell them, gee, I need to go back after they got such support.

So it's much, much more difficult to detransition

because of all the efforts that went into transitioning.

So this is the tough part: to step up and come back.

So, Walt, you,

at what age

did you

decide to become a woman and begin to transition?

Yeah, well, about 40 years of age, I went and saw a psychologist up in San Francisco who specialized in this.

And he diagnosed me with having gender issues and said that I needed to undergo hormone therapy and wait the two appropriate years and then have surgery, then by Dr.

Biber in Colorado.

And so I thought, well, this is pretty radical, but I've been struggling with this now

for 36 years by that time.

And so the feelings are extremely strong, and my heart goes out to anybody who's struggling with them.

But I listened to the guy as though he was an authority on it.

And two years later,

I got my second letter of approval, went and had the surgery in 1983.

I was an executive for American Honda Motor Company at the time, and they promptly terminated me, which was, you know, I think appropriate, actually.

Wait, wait, wait, why?

Why?

Well, you know, when somebody's struggling with that depth of issues, personal issues, they're not going to be effective

in doing their work.

I totally understand that.

And so

I've never begrudged people for not wanting me.

And I went and interviewed for over 200 jobs, Glenn, and couldn't get a job because I was one of the early people who went through this.

And I understood that.

I told my counselor in California at the time, you know, I understand that.

It's this confusing issue.

And people should have the right to not employ anybody.

that they don't want to employ.

What is, I mean, where did you get

here's a a guy who's been abused.

You have every reason to be,

you know, cut me some slack.

Where are you getting this

Christ-like attitude of, hey, I just need to do my thing, and I understand if you disagree?

Where are you getting that kindness?

From Jesus.

Just as you said.

You know,

I get it from Jesus.

You know, people,

I totally understand that people are confused by me.

Listen, I was a little confused for a while.

Frankly, now it's nice to have my feet on the ground.

Especially, Walt, at that time, because the only person I can think of that I knew about when I was growing up that was in your situation was Renee Richards, the tennis player, who went from man to woman.

And then there was the big controversy of should she be allowed now to compete against women when she just came from being a man.

That had to be a really difficult time period because America wasn't socially where it is now.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And keep in mind, Renee Richards has come out later and said, regrets, I have a few.

Really?

You know, even, oh, yeah.

So, you know, these are the stories that don't get talked about, and Renee doesn't suggest anybody have it.

In fact, Renee stays very quiet about it, but I don't.

I'm troubled by the fact that we have a population of people who are changing genders, and from 1979 to this day, Glenn, they've been reporting extremely high rates of suicide

and suicide attempts at over 40 percent.

So if this is so good and so effective and so wonderful, why are 40 percent of this population attempting suicide?

That's a question I ask all the time.

It's interesting to me when we talked about this last week

and we spoke about how the you know pre-surgery suicide rate is 46%

post-surgery it's 45%

so it's the same so obviously this does nothing to those feelings at all

and so it's it's not a life-saving surgery by any stretch of the imagination

and we are just we are just

just throwing in with this and saying, yep,

this is all good.

And

if I'm not mistaken, the numbers for suicide for

people under 30

are even higher than that.

Yeah, the suicide attempts, I don't know what the actual rate of suicide is, the suicide attempts are at 50%

in the lower age groups, children especially 12 to 24, 28, somewhere in there.

So, you know, this is just not a healthy thing psychologically or emotionally.

And what we do know is that, according to the studies, that 60 to 70 percent of the population are struggling from what's known as comorbid disorders.

That's separation anxiety, dissociative disorders, body dysmorphic disorder, and schizophrenia, and a whole bunch of other disorders that we are totally ignoring in the treatment.

modality of people who are suffering.

We should sit these people down.

And what I do is actually talk to them and say, what do you think was the trigger mechanism that set this in motion?

And 100% of the time, Glenn, every one of them over a period of time when we have this discussion, can identify the moment of trauma or event or situation that caused them to not want to be who they are and attempt to become someone who they can never be.

Walt, we're with Walt Heyer,

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glad to have

Walt Heyeron.

He is a guy who

has had really

an amazing life.

Started out in the 1940s with his grandmother cross-dressing him, his father physically abusing him, and his uncle sexually abusing him.

Then he was

diagnosed with personality disorder and then gender dysphoria.

He had a sex change to a man.

Walt,

I'm sorry, to a woman.

Can you tell me, Walt, what that is like going through that?

Well, you know, when I went from male to female,

there was a period of

euphoria.

where, wow, I thought, you know, I finally solved all the problems and

that all of the stuff that I'd gone through and suffered was going to be behind me.

You know, the truth is, it's only a temporary reprieve because early childhood issues, when you have any event happen that you're struggling with, you need to go to psychotherapy and get it done.

So I, you know, within eight years of trying to suppress what had happened in my early life,

I finally started going.

Well, I went to, as I went to UC Santa Cruz and studied psychology, realized that, you know, the whole gender thing is really built on a foundation of psychological issues.

And they're trying to cure psychological issues by giving people hormones and

surgery, which isn't effective.

And so, so, Walt, I mean, before you have

transgender surgery, no one is recommending to you to have

serious psychological

work done in your childhood to see where those scars are.

Is that just too politically incorrect now, too?

Oh, that is really politically incorrect.

In fact, in California and other states, it's actually against the law for a therapist, if the kid's under 18 years of age who comes in and said, you know, I want to change genders, it's against the law for him to probe into

what might have stirred this idea that

so teachers teachers can are required to probe on sexual abuse and anything else if they have any inkling yet a psychiatrist cannot probe a child who is having

gender dysphoria

well no they that that's again

i know it sounds totally absurd.

When I just got an email yesterday from a mother who said, my daughter's getting hormone blockers, she's 12 years old, I think it was, and I know there's something wrong because my child was sexually abused by her father.

But they don't care.

So they're going to give the child hormone therapies and send them down a track.

of changing genders.

This is so common today.

They don't want to acknowledge early childhood trauma in the transgender population.

They do not want to.

Why?

Well, when,

I mean, that's what Freud has been all about.

That's what the progressive movement has been all about.

You know, these hidden sexual fantasies and problems.

Glenn,

if they allowed in-depth, effective, sound psychotherapy for people who struggled with gender issues, it would collapse the entire hormone and surgery procedure because they would be able to do effective psychotherapy.

They'd be able to pinpoint what the psychological issues are and would make surgery and hormones.

But Walt,

you're,

I mean,

I just have to play devil's advocate and push back here.

What you're saying is that there are no doctors out there that are in this, that don't, that just say, this, you know, I don't care about the money.

We're talking about people here.

I mean, the whole industry is okay with doing that?

Well, I think there are some really good doctors because I've had people report to me that, you know, they wouldn't do it because

the doctor found that they did have coexisting disorders and wouldn't approve them.

And,

you know, whether it's a condition called autogynophilia, which people don't talk about, that's a sexual disorder.

And so there are some excellent therapists out there that do

provide good therapy.

I want to pick it up there: that I mean, you'd have to get rid of other issues first and then go in.

I want to talk to you about what it was like and then your transition back to a man, which they say is a very rare procedure when we come back.

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Walt Heyer is with us, walthire.com, H-E-Y-E-R,

a guy who has just led an incredible life.

Started off young, grandma cross-dressing him.

He says that planted the seed or

fanned the flames of desire, physically abused by his father, sexually abused by his uncle, was

diagnosed with personality disorders,

then

was a very early

adopter of being transgendered back in the 1980s when

it must have been,

you were remarkably alone, Walt.

This was the time, wasn't it, where, I mean, that's early for America to

doing this.

I think growing up, when I was growing up in the 70s, that it was all in Sweden or someplace, wasn't it?

Right.

Yeah, the Dr.

Biber in Trinidad, Colorado was the kind of the sex change capital of the United States.

And by the time I had gone there,

he had done, it sounds like a lot then, but about 2,800 or 2,700.

So he was well on his way.

He had started in the late 70s doing the procedure.

So he was pumping them out almost daily.

So when you had a sex change, I don't need to get graphic here, but

all the parts were changed.

What is that like,

Walt?

Well, you know, you know, at first you think this is good and this is the way you should be, and then you realize that

you've just been mutilated totally unnecessarily because

people didn't look at the early childhood issues.

So that's devastating.

It's hard to deal with.

And then you realize back in those days, they didn't have

good surgeons who could do anything to replace the destruction.

And it was extremely expensive.

And I was financially destitute.

And so

there's some things you just weren't able to do.

So you transition back in as many ways as you possibly can.

But even today,

many of the what they call phalloplasty, which is putting things back together, isn't totally

it's not going to function as it once did.

And so that can actually be another deeper psychological issue after you detransition and have the surgery.

Some of them reports are that they work fairly well.

Other reports is they don't.

So it's a kind of a mixed bag.

But you wouldn't have any feeling down there.

I mean, it's, it's, and you've taken away, um, uh, I mean, chemically, uh, in many ways, some of the things that that make you a man.

Yeah, well, you know, one of the things, Glenn, that I came to the conclusion that

appendage did not make me a man.

No, I understand.

I hate to get, I mean, mean, I just don't want to get graphic, but I mean, you know,

there are things involved that, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So,

you know,

it isn't totally replaceable.

Let's just put it this way.

Yeah.

So, Walt, what was it when

you had transitioned to a woman, you say it lasted for a while, this euphoria, and then it kind of started to go back to the way it was to where you're like, I am

what?

Because you had thought you were a woman, or you'd just be happier as a woman before.

Well, I thought I would be much happier as a woman, but then you realize that

the same thing, Glenn, kind of happens over again.

I don't remember what point it was, but a point on down the road, you realize now you're a man trapped in a woman's body.

How do you fix that?

And this is the reason for this, is because you never really resolved the original issues that caused you to not want to be who you are.

And so I think that's the core issue.

We need to look at this as people not wanting to be who they really are and attempt to become someone who they cannot be.

I have to tell you what.

I cannot imagine.

I mean, look, you know, I said this last week, and we've had this for a long time.

You know what?

That is between you

and your maker and whatever.

You know,

I just am not going to judge people.

And I can't imagine living the life that you have lived.

I thank God I haven't had to.

But you have come out of it on the other side,

happy and whole and finally at peace.

But there are, I can't imagine that people wouldn't say, hey, let's overturn every stone before we start doing this.

Let's just make sure that this is what's really going on with you before we take some really dramatic, to push that all underneath the rug is sickening to me.

But at the same time, Walt, you have said more things.

I know this show is going to show up.

on all of the lefty sites and going to say that I've had a hate monger on and that I am bigoted and and everything else when I've not heard anything but compassion for from you compassion from us and you but you have said some controversial things that nobody wants to say like

it's

not you're not born that way

right

yeah

and and you know Glenn I wouldn't be here today let's let's just take it for what it is.

It's Jesus and my 31 years of sober living that make this possible and so once I came to know the Lord and and got sober things began to fall into place so I understand that people and I struggled when I didn't have those two things in place so me too I know there are going to a lot of people who are not going to like what I have to say but I'm concerned about the number of people who are attempting suicide and that's why I speak out because I hate to see that.

I know that I was one of them who who attempted suicide.

And my heart breaks for them that they become so confused and so

just entrenched into this whole transgender life that they just want to kill themselves.

I mean, that, to me, should stop the hormones and surgeries right in their tracks until, like you said, they should turn over every stone.

You're so correct in that, Lynn.

Well, they're turning over every stone.

Until you go to AA, I mean, as a recovering alcoholic, you know, you'll go go to a doctor and they'll treat you with all kinds of stuff.

They'll give you all kinds of drugs and everything else to help you through whatever it is.

But

until you turn and find a higher power and you start doing the 12 steps and realize there's something in you,

you know, you can say it's a disease all you want.

I don't care.

I don't care if I was born this way.

There are tons of alcoholics in my family, and there are tons of people that have committed suicide, or at least it seems like that in my head,

you know, in my family that have killed themselves.

If I was born that way, fine, I'm born that way, but it doesn't matter to me because I know what has helped and AA and going through and plowing through the whole life and making peace and then serving

is the answer, at least for me and millions of other people?

It sounds like it's the same kind of thing that you're saying.

Exactly.

You know, and in AA, we talk about doing the same thing over and over again as insanity.

Well, here we are with the transgender surgeries and hormones.

They've known since 1979 that people attempt suicide and they're still attempting suicide today and they're still giving hormones and surgery to people.

I mean, that's insanity.

Walter, are you completely comfortable in your own skin now?

Or do you feel like a a man?

Oh, absolutely.

So those feelings, none of that lingered then.

You've overcome that.

No, no lingering.

Wow.

When did you meet your wife?

And how did you go through all of this with her?

Well, I was actually speaking at

an AA meeting, a recovery meeting, and she had nudged a friend that she was there with and said, God, that's the kind of guy I want.

He's been through all this stuff, and he's out the other side, you know.

So we started seeing each other, and

so we knew each other for about five years before we got married.

And

so we, like I said, we were married in May 20 years.

And so it's wonderful.

I mean, she is,

you know, just my companion, my rock.

She edits all my books and all my writing and is so supportive of what I do.

And she's just fantastic.

You know, I looked at your website during one of the breaks and I see the people who are there who are, you know, have transitioned to women and now want to transition back and the

heartbreak there.

At what point,

Walt, did you

I just talked to somebody who said to me, you know, I don't talk about my alcoholism, Glenn.

I know you do but i i don't really talk about it at all i i

i i don't see any good that comes of that and i said well you know to each his own i for me i've seen tremendous good come from that um because i'm not hiding it and i don't care and and it helps other people um

and uh at what point in your life

did you

say

I don't care if people know that I want to be a woman.

I don't care if people know that I want to go back to being a man.

And I don't care that the world seems against me on political correctness.

I'm going to say it.

Was there one turning point in your life?

Well, yeah, I think

when we started the website

about 12 years ago, and I thought I was probably the only person in the entire world that regretted it.

And then all of a sudden,

within that first year, we realized we got 700 people came to the website that first year.

And

one person contacted us, and I thought, okay, well, I'm not alone.

Well, to give you an idea, 2015, 350,000 people came to the website.

And now we have people contacting us frequently from around the world and the United States, Canada, Australia, Italy, everywhere, who are struggling with these issues because we're really giving them the wrong information about what and how to treat gender issues.

And so

I'm excited today that I can lend an ear to it.

You know, I can't change what

the powerful groups are doing, but if I can help one person, if I can prevent one person from committing suicide, which I've already done, if I can prevent somebody from totally unnecessary surgery, then, you know, my life has meaning and that's why I'm here.

Have you had one message for somebody

or a parent that was struggling with this, what would the message be?

Well,

anytime somebody is announcing that they are transgender, someone needs to begin to look back and see when that onset of that desire, that feeling, that struggle, and begin to explore what caused it.

Was it a traumatic event?

Was it an illness?

Was it

something

always has happened in somebody's life that caused them to not want to be who they are, and then they begin looking around for a way to escape.

And what I want to do is let people know that they don't need to escape.

They need to face whatever issue it is, get effective, sound psychotherapy, and avoid hormones.

avoid unnecessary surgery, turn your life around, and you're going to be far better off than struggling with the issues of a lifetime of hormone therapy and surgery that mutilated your body.

Wald Heyer, thank you very much for talking to us today.

Appreciate it, sir.

God bless.

Thank you.

Remarkable life.

Yeah, whether you agree with him or not, I mean, what an experience.

Oh, my gosh.

And he's going to be bashed.

So are we for having him on, I'm sure.

But

you can't say that that guy hasn't hasn't lived it.

I mean, that guy has as much right to say what he believes as Bruce Jenner

when he came out and announced, I have the same feeling about Bruce Jenner, you know, when he was Bruce and he came out and said, I, I, I'm Caitlin.

I mean, I feel the same way.

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