Best of the Program | Guests: Frances Staudt & Paul List | 10/10/25

Big show today.

We have some really amazing things on the show, some real pieces of hope, including my trip up to North Dakota last night to the TPUSA event.

I was filled with hope after seeing the 2,500 seat auditorium filled to the rafters

and seeing these people that are showing up that are in college and who are really hungry to learn and ready to stand for what is right.

It's really amazing.

Apparently though, I announced my retirement last night.

I didn't mean to because I'm not retiring anytime soon.

But we also have a story that comes out

of Rutgers University and a really important story that is coming from a school district, Tumwater, Washington.

A 16-year-old girl I'm going to introduce you to.

Her name is Frances Stout.

She is amazing.

And just a couple of pieces of an interview I did today on the full broadcast with Paul List.

He says, the Lord of the Rings, he's cracked the code of Tolkien.

And he says Tolkien was warning us about today,

AI, the rise of transhumanism, everything else, and gives us the solution on how to defeat the

spirit world that we are fighting against right now.

Paul List,

and he talks to us a little bit about

his book, Mount Doom, all on today's podcast.

Let me talk to you a little bit about Berna Launcher.

I'm headed up to

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Wo-Wo, which is one of my favorite stations, and Fort Wayne is one of my favorite cities.

They're having their 100th anniversary.

And I can't wait to be up there.

I wish you were coming with me, Stu, because I know you love Fort Wayne as well.

Yeah.

But

I'm going up there.

And this is the home of Burna.

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I'm going to be able to try to swing over to see the people over at Burna because they assemble everything here in America.

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Welcome back to the Glenbeck program.

We are so glad that you are here.

Thank you so much for listening to the broadcast today.

I just got back late, late, late last night from North Dakota.

I wish you would have been there, Stu.

With TPSA, it was amazing.

They're all amazing.

I wish I was there too.

I saw that you're retiring.

And so, are you going to become a baker or are you going to be yeah, somehow or another, I announced that I was retiring.

I don't, I didn't know that, but I didn't know that actually either.

Um, you know, seeing that I, you know, just signed an extension to my contracts.

Oh, sorry.

Um, but uh, uh, yeah, that's uh, that came out all wrong.

Uh, so you're I was talking about Charlie, and I was talking about how I was trying to teach, you've got to work for the things, finish what you start, get up every day and work and do the things you have to do to get.

And I related it to when he was 16 years old.

He said he wanted my job.

He wanted to be like me, which translation, he wanted to be like Rush Limbaugh.

He wanted the network show and everything else.

And

what I was trying to say was,

I was going to say to Charlie, either last night when we saw each other

or when I saw him at AmFest, Charlie,

I told you, well, kid, maybe someday when he was 16 or 17 years old.

You got to do the work.

You got to do the work.

And I watched him and he did the work.

And I wanted to take that to the next step and say, good job.

Good job.

You deserve any way I can help you.

I will mentor you.

When I retire in 10 years,

I'm never going to retire, but if I retire in 10 years, here are the keys.

Take it.

You deserve it.

You deserve it.

I mean, he's such a powerful person in the movement.

And that is

something that you've talked about, I know, to me, even off the air, but

as well.

And I think that I don't think he actually would have

I would have also said to him, you're stupid because you are

everywhere doing everything.

Why, you know, Rush used to talk about this.

I make my impact here.

Charlie was making his impact everywhere in politics, in Washington.

You know what I mean?

But that's what I was trying to say.

So didn't introduce my retirement

at all.

I got so excited.

I was like, oh my gosh, he's going away.

And then you're like,

yeah, sorry.

Sorry.

Not going to do that.

Unfortunately.

Here, let me give you a couple of things that I shared

at TPUSA yesterday.

I tried to, you know, as I was flying up, I thought, I want to share like some lessons that I've learned that are important.

Cut one.

You promise me, if I live my life the way you tell me to live my life, if I'm always doing what you ask me to do,

you will take this from me.

This is about redemption.

I don't know why they cut the words with me crying.

And my life changed overnight.

See, I feel like if I was out on a ship, I wouldn't want my captain to be crying like this.

The truth is about you that you have running in your head, but it's probably not very good.

We all have these things.

Oh, if people only knew, if people only knew what I thought or what I did or I'm not good enough, I'm a fraud, whatever it is.

That's a lie.

Maybe somebody in your life has been telling you that crap.

Turn that off.

Turn that off.

You are a divine daughter and son of God with all of the rights and privileges that go with that.

You are equipped with everything you need.

Don't let anyone tell you somebody stands in your way.

Don't let anybody tell you you can't do it.

The system is rigged against you.

I am a son of God.

I have everything I need.

So you're retiring to be a yacht captain?

That's what that's.

No, I'm going to take over for God.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, so he talked to me.

He's going to turn the keys over.

He's retiring.

He's going to turn the keys over to me.

Here I am talking about the recipe for success.

Hopefully I'm not crying in this clip.

Please help me.

I meet a million people

all the time who say,

I want to have your job.

Usually what they're saying is, I want the fame or I want the fortune.

And I'm like, you can have that.

It's battery acid to the soul.

Really?

You want my job?

Yeah.

Well,

I'll help you any way I can.

If you want an intern or

you want a mentorship, I'm willing to do that.

No.

Nobody finishes.

Nobody's willing to actually put in the work.

You're not paid what you're paid because you kind of phone it in.

You only succeed when you are doing everything

all the time and you are focused and you're disciplined and you work hard and you finish what you start.

When that happens, the whole world changes.

I'm telling you, work hard.

People who are successful will see it and you'll rocket to the top.

That is the section where I was talking about Charlie.

He did the work.

He did the work.

He deserved to get the breaks because he created them.

Next one, I talked about,

is there bad?

Listen to this.

There is no such thing as bad things.

It's what you do with it.

It's what you're going to do with Charlie Kirk's death.

You had a choice.

Choose death, choose anger, choose vengeance, or choose life.

Choose charity.

Choose peace.

Choose forgiveness.

And look how you've already changed the world.

There is no such thing as bad if you make the choice to see the good that can come from it.

It was a great night.

I could have spent, I mean, I could have sat down with those people all day long.

I just, they are,

there is great hope for America in the youth.

And the bravery and the focus of that organization to continue with these events after everything that's happened.

Let me tell you something.

Real, true bravery.

Yeah.

True

bravery.

It is, it is just great.

And I, you know, I talked to him last night, and I want you to hear this, and I want you to share this with people who are their age.

Do you know what people were saying about the greatest American generation?

Back in the day, this is in the 30s.

You know, everybody's, you know, doesn't have a job.

It's the Great Depression.

Things are not going well.

We just came out of the roaring 20s.

So now these kids who were born in the 20s, you know, they had refrigerated.

This is what their parents and their grandparents and everybody else said about that generation.

They didn't have to go out and cut ice.

We used to have to cut ice.

We had to milk the cow every day.

We wanted milk.

We didn't have a refrigerator.

Okay.

We had to plow the fields by hand with horses.

Now they get on their tractors.

These kids are soft.

They haven't had to work a day in their life.

You turn the keys over to them.

God will help us because they don't have any work ethic.

They don't know how hard it is to actually...

All of the same things you're hearing about the 20-somethings now is what was said about the 20-somethings in the 30s.

And those 20-somethings were the ones who became the greatest American generation.

So it's normal for us to say these things because when I was a kid,

That happens every generation.

Cut this generation some slack.

Look at what's happening with the kids at TPUSA.

Sorry, I don't mean to say kids.

The college students, the 20-somethings.

Look at what's happening.

Then look at those who are still in their teens.

They're different.

What we have to do is let them know, gang, this is your country.

This is your country.

You're going to be the generation that fixes it.

It's not my generation.

We're the forgotten generation.

We're just trying to hold things at bay.

The generation before us screwed everything up.

They're hippies and everybody's got to have everything and all of this crap.

And then

because we lost

view of actual morals, actual moral sentiments, and we just got trapped into fame, fortune,

everything's about money, all of that.

We started worshiping other gods.

We lost it

they instinctively know this isn't right they instinctively know this isn't going to last they instinctively know I didn't know that and when I was in my 20s I didn't see the problem they see the problems they may not know how to fix it yet but that's our job our job is to teach them principles not the answers principles They will find the answers and they're going to be the ones that either push us into slavery or push us into freedom.

I see great hope on the horizon every time I'm with these kids.

Every time I'm with them, I realize, oh my gosh.

I remember David Barton and I talked while we were at Fox and he said to me, I got news for you, Glenn.

We're not going to change it.

And I'm like, what?

Then what are we, what are, what?

He's like, we're not.

Look at history.

And he taught me some history about how it happened in the Revolutionary War.

He's like, we're the ones who teach.

We teach the youth, and the youth are going to be the ones that are fixing it.

And that's true.

Charlie's generation, they learned from me and David and others like us on Fox.

They took it and then went to Hillsdale and actually got

a real education that they didn't pay for.

They didn't care about the diplomas.

He didn't care about the, he just wanted to do the work.

He really, truly was hungry for the truth and he looked for it beyond today's truth.

He went to ancient truth truth and then worked his way forward.

When I thought, you know, we're not, wait, we're not going to be able to fix this, no.

I'm like, oh, geez, it's not our job.

Our job is to teach.

Their job is going to be the ones that set the country right and design it the way, I mean, this is very Jeffersonian.

Set it the way they choose.

It is now their future.

I prefer they don't, you know, decide to liquidate all of us over 65 at some point.

You know, well, can't afford health care, Grandpa.

You're out.

But

they will find the right path.

Have faith in the future because you have faith in God, and God sent these people at that age.

They were born for a reason, and I believe they were born to save the world from authoritarianism.

So have great hope.

And thank you, TPUSA.

Thank you, Charlie, for everything that you built.

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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

Paul List is with us.

He is the co-author of a book called Mount Doom.

I am a big fan of Tolkien's books.

I mean, we watch them, the director's cut.

Every year, we'll sit down and we'll watch it for a marathon day or two.

We just love it.

And I love looking.

I know when it was written, and it was written in a time of World War II and

the buildup and all of the evil that the world was seeing, much like it is today.

And I look at that and

I look for the hidden meanings in it.

And it's brilliantly written.

Most people, I think, if you watch the movies, you may miss all of this stuff.

So Paul is here, here, and I want to bring you back to the characters that we see and we know and what they mean, what the mythology is actually trying to tell us.

Well, I'll start with the most important characters of the bunch and the enigmatic character and what they left out of the movie were the characters Tom Bombadil and Goldberry.

And that's been the big mystery.

Well, who the heck is Tom Bombadil and nobody's ever figured it out?

Well, you can't figure it out unless you have a scholastic point of view.

And Tom and Goldberry Goldberry are the trans-migrated fallen spirits of the trees of light.

Okay, they are the gold, the spirit of the silver tree, which is Talpurion.

That's Tom.

And the golden tree, and that's Goldberry.

And Goldberry actually gets her name from the last golden fruit with which,

when they died, they were killed by Shilob's mother, Angoliant.

They produced one last silver flower and one last silver fruit, which became the moon and the sun.

But their spirits, you have to figure this out, Their spirits were transmigrated, and Aule, the faculty of growth in the soul,

one of the Balar made new bodies for them, just as he had made the dwarves.

And with the Louvatar, they had free will.

So they were given these spirits, and they became Tom Bombadill and Goldberry.

And what they are is the rational will or the free will, which is Tom Bombadill.

That's why he can do anything he wants.

He's the will, and the rational intellect, which is Goldberry.

And it's all scholasticism.

Who is

who are the elves?

The elves are faith and all their various, because we have faith both in the material and the immaterial.

So the three high kings, okay, are how we love and serve the Lord.

This is basic Trinity

catechism.

Tolkien's giving catechism lessons.

They are love, serve, and know.

So we have the kings of knowledge, service, and love.

And the elves, the Naldor, of the knowledge, and Feonor, who made the somerils, he's the knowledge to make, or the knowledge to make.

And he made the somreals.

And his sons, the seven sons, are the quadrivium and the quadrivium of classical education, how we actually learn and the virtues of the mind.

So the whole myth, and men, we'll go to men.

Men are reason, and all of the

categories of reason, from high reason, which is Aragorn, to practical reason, which are the the Roherum, and all the way down to the wild men, which is

vital

vitality.

It's just instinct.

So we've got, for instance, and the whole mythology is about the reunification of faith and reason.

It's a response, it's Tolkien's late response to Pope Leo XIII's great encyclical Aeterne Patris, which he was calling the West back, trying to get them to turn their back on the cacophony of these philosophies that were turning the Western world, Christian, and suicidal.

And we see that, it's true, and trying to get us to come back to Thomas Aquinas and the Scholastics.

Which is

faith and reason together.

Faith, exactly.

And that is the reunification of Araborn, the last of the high reason.

That's why

he's the king because he's the king of the rational soul.

And Elrond's daughter, Arwen, is the last daughter of the elves of faith, and and it's the

reunion of the heirs of Baron and Luthian, which are in the Somrillian.

And Luthian, of course, is the heart of the whole story.

And Baron, and that is when faith and reason came and joined to their highest degree.

And so we're come back, and then we come.

Who is

Gandalf?

Or what does he represent?

You know, the philosophical wisdom.

in two parts.

So the wizards are, according to Aristotle's Necomachian ethics, they are the means by which we acquire knowledge.

This is right out of

Nekomachian ethics.

So we've got Gandalf is philosophical wisdom.

Saraman, who's taken over academia, is practical wisdom.

No longer concerned with the higher realm of philosophy, metaphysics, first principles.

Okay?

And then we have Radagas, who's rational intuition.

The two blue wizards that don't come into the they keep going east.

They go outside of the psychology.

They're art and science.

And they're the exterior beings by which we acquire knowledge but tolkin takes them into into account so he covers all five of them so so gandalf is gandalf the gray gray in the mind and gray is not he's kind of indecisive he's pagan pre-Christian pre-revelation philosophy Aristotle for instance when he falls in the mines of Moria which are the halls of academia it's under Saruman's control he falls with the spirit of pride of academia that is the bellrog bellrogs is spirits of pride.

He falls down into the body and he's subjected to Darwinism.

Durin is Darwin.

Subjected to Durin trying to prove that, hey,

you're just an animal.

And then he defeats the bellrog, comes back on the wings of the angels, not like in the movie.

He comes back on the wings of the eagles.

And the eagles serve Manway, which is the power of sight, and they are the good things that we read.

And he's saved by the good reading.

He comes back a full-timeistic theologian, Candolph LeWhite, and he's no longer indecisive.

He knows exactly what he has to do.

so he takes control of the great spirit of decisiveness, which is Shadow Facts.

When they pick up the

eye of Sauron, right?

The stone, the seer stone.

That wasn't

that.

That was one of the seeing stones, but that wasn't the eye.

The eye of Sauron, he had corrupted because his Nazgul had gained that.

They had taken that earlier in the Third Age.

And that was the other one, one of them

was in the Tower of Beradur, which, by the way, is the microchip.

The Tower of Beradur is the microchip.

And that's the tower where Gandalf at one point is trapped on, right?

The top?

Well, no, no, no.

That's actually the black and ivory tower.

That's Eisengarden.

That's where Saruman is.

Okay.

Okay, Saruman, yeah.

So the two towers are the Tower of Corrupted Academia and the Tower of Beradur, which is the chip in the brain.

And Mordor is, Glenn, this is so fascinating.

It's all laid out according to the old Victorian pseudoscience called phrenology.

That's the study of the head, right?

The study, right, right, where all these areas were representative of this and that.

Well, Mordor is in the cerebellum, the back here,

the reptile brain, as it's called, and that's the area of all crime and hate and fear and all that.

And that's where Mordor is, and that's where the microchip is.

So at this point in Arda's development, which is the history of all of Christendom,

it's been microchipped and it's becoming transhuman.

And what happens is the will and the intellect, Tom and Goldberry, decide they're going to break out and they're going to change their evil ways and they're going to do away with Gollum, this insatiable lust for pornography and all these things that they can get through the one ring, through the computer, through digital technology.

And they decide to call out of the shire the cardinal virtues and send them on a quest with philosophical wisdom and high reason, okay, and

fallen high reason, which is Boromir, but still salvageable.

And they send them on a quest to destroy the ring.

And that's the essence of

the quest to destroy the ring.

And they have to destroy the language of the machine, because at the basis of every digital technology, whether it's the surveillance state, digital money, virtual reality, self-driving cars, all these things, at the heart of that, none of this functions without the one ring, ones and zeros.

zeros.

This is, I mean, if your theory is correct,

this puts him way, I mean, decades ahead.

Decades ahead.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

But like I said, his training with Alan Turing, Tolkien was a huge skeptic of machinery because he always knew that it was about dominance.

Like he wrote in a letter to his son Christopher in World War II, he said, the only winner in any war is the machine.

And we create, you know,

war advances the machine, not to our benefit all the time.

I mean,

every day, every war advances the, I'm sorry, advances the machine.

So Tolkien was a great scholar.

He was very much in touch.

He was a traditional Catholic, as I am, a traditional Catholic, not this modernism crap that we're seeing coming out of the Vatican

now that the modernists have taken in.

Okay, he was a traditional Catholic and

he saw this coming very much.

So with, and this is fascinating, with the reunion of faith and reason now comes the rebirth of the white tree.

And the white tree of Gondor is neglected.

It cannot be tended.

And Glenn, it is the traditional Latin Mass.

That's what it is.

So when faith and reason comes back together, Christendom is healed.

We return to the traditional Latin Mass, the Mass that the FBI is all over and calling us, you know,

terrorists and whatnot.

And it's the original Christian faith.

It's an extension of the perpetuation of Christ's sacrifice on the cross, where he gives us his real body and blood, not a symbol, the real thing.

And this is what Tolkien is telling.

So he is,

what is the way out that he is, I mean, in today's language, what is Tolkien saying?

Because he's predicting transhumanism,

the merging of man and machine, AI.

We are on the doorstep of that.

What, in real terms, is his way out?

Well, we have to cultivate virtue, and we have to do away with pornography.

And pornography is represented in Tolkien's mythology.

That is Shilob.

The spider.

That is

the spider.

That Shilob's lair is pornography.

Gollum leads them there because that's his favorite place to dwell with the ring is in pornography.

He can slake his lusts like crazy.

there.

That's why pornography is so huge in the digital realm.

It's so easy.

And

he's telling us, but this is fascinating,

we have to cultivate the cardinal virtues, temperance, fortitude, prudence, and justice.

And

Christian has to be reunited.

And we have to do away.

We cannot subject ourselves to modern music, which is brain-deadening, mind-numbing, to modern entertainment, which is just as brain-dead and mind-numbing.

We have to read.

We have to be competent.

We have to learn and try to understand.

Human beings are

the combination of the joining of the animal realm and the angelic realm.

And we've been forced largely by Bacon and Descartes and then Darwin, forced into the strictly animal realm, which is just a disaster for the human intellect.

And we really have to re-establish our ability to ascend, transcend the material realm.

And when we can do that, we can do that through prayer and through reading and through

the contemplation of the higher purposes of our being.

We transcend this realm and we get out of the realm of the machine because the machine owns this realm.

And if we are stuck in this realm, we become food for the machine.

And the machine is devouring millions, I'd say billions of souls at this point.

And we have to pull away.

We have to turn around.

We have to destroy the machine and return to our humanity and do not enter the virtual realm.

And do not get your children virtual glasses or goggles.

That's a direct competitor to God's natural creation.

And where we put our attention is where we put our souls and our hearts.

Paul?

So we have to go ahead and finish up.

God's natural created world.

We really do and cultivate our humanity and become competent.

We have to take responsibility for our health and responsibility for our own education.

Paul,

I think you're fascinating.

And the book is called Mount Mount Doom.

I highly recommend.

Tolkien was way ahead of his time.

And I've always known that there's deep, deep meaning, but I haven't been able to figure it out.

And I think you have cracked the code.

You can find this in the book Mount Doom by Paul List.

Thank you so much, Paul.

I appreciate it.

Thank you for having me, Glenn.

It was a great privilege and an honor.

Great.

Thank you.

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I want to read something from Frances Stout.

She posted,

she's 16 years old.

She lives in Washington State.

This evening, as a young female athlete in the United States of America, I was actively silenced for standing up for my own safety and belief.

During the Tumwater High School girls basketball game on February 6, 2025, a biological male from Shelton High School, opposing team, was brutalizing my teammates, using his biological, his biological advantage, clearly and intentionally overpowering his competition.

I made the decision to sit out one of my very last basketball games of the season because I refuse now and forever to compete against any biological male in any sport that I play.

I was incredibly distraught at the fact that nobody would step in on our behalf, including the staff coaches, referees, and parents from both sides.

This is due to the sheer fact that in our society, we have been pushed to be silent and bow down to the demands to accept what we know to be untrue.

When I became visibly upset and angry, I was met with allegations of discrimination as well as threats made by other players in a grown man who is tasked with serving my school district.

The principal and athletic director who stood in front of parents and the students, claiming to care about our students' bodies, their beliefs, and feelings, but they certainly certainly did not care about mine tonight.

This is far from over.

It has fueled a passion in me to speak out and go against the wrongdoing that is still happening to female athletes in this great country.

Isn't it ironic that just yesterday, National Girls and Women's Sports Day,

was the day that President Trump signed the No Men in Women's Sports Executive Order.

And here I am the very next day, having to deal with such an injustice

that has caused so much emotional distress in my life.

I will never not stand up for myself or my ability to speak out and protect my safety as a female athlete.

16 years old from Tumwater, Washington.

It's Frances Stout.

Hello, Frances.

Hello.

Thank you so much for having me on the show.

It has not lost on me the significance of speaking with you today.

Oh my gosh, thank you.

So, Frances,

you were not notified.

Nobody was notified.

You just go to this game and you see somebody who you describe as obviously a male.

Yes.

Why do you say that?

I mean,

tell me the intimidation tactics or the brutalization tactics, if you will, that you felt he was doing.

Well, I feel it is obvious from any stand where

he would have stood out on the court.

He was warming up and stretching,

looking around, dancing with the girls on his team.

It was obvious.

There's clear biological differences between girls and boys, and you could just see by everything.

And

lots of

there was a lot of just roughness on the court and pushing girls down and

nothing that a normal girl on my team or the other team would have really been able to do.

Very harsh and

just

it was a queer difference.

So you go and say,

I'm going to set this game out or I can't play because I don't feel safe on the court, correct?

Yes, that's correct.

And what was the response at the time?

At the time, people kind of looked and were, oh,

whatever, just asked me, oh, are you sure you don't want to play?

It's not that big of a deal.

I got told by a lot of people, it isn't that big of a deal.

It doesn't matter.

There's not, nothing's going to happen, and you're just looking for attention.

Every sort of thing that you could hear from people.

But it was only until I got upset after seeing him hurt girls on my team and also take away from my ability to play because I feared for my own safety that people really started having issues.

And what when you got upset, what happened?

So I went and tried to talk to the uh principal of Tumwater, Zach Suderman, and I told him this is wrong.

Why are you not protecting me and my right to play in my own sport?

And why are you not putting a stop to this?

It's clearly wrong.

It is a violation of my own privacy and safety that you've told every single person at that school that you care about but you he did absolutely nothing to help me he told me that it was discrimination against the boy and the man actually 18 years old he said the man yes

he said he said i'm not going to um

misgender quote unquote um this individual

okay um he has also said um and maybe it's not the principal maybe it's the superintendent, as a district, we remain committed to fostering an inclusive environment where all students feel safe, supported, and valued.

Do you feel safe, supported, or valued?

That is a very easy answer.

Absolutely not.

There is in no way am I feeling like I'm supported.

I have had when I was 15 years old, the 18-year-old man was in my own locker room.

That is quite the opposite of safe and supported that I should be able to feel.

There's a man or boy in the girls locker room right now at Tomwater High School that they're still doing nothing about, telling girls that they can go somewhere else to change if they feel uncomfortable.

They only care about a certain protected class, and it clearly is not the girls who just want their own privacy and safety.

So now a lawsuit has been lodged against you.

The Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism filed a civil rights complaint

to the Department of Education.

Yes, on our behalf.

On your behalf.

Yes.

Okay, thank God.

I read that and I'm like, what are they?

How is that possible?

On your behalf.

However, yeah, I was investigated, however, by the WIAA and Tomwater School District for harassment and bullying for quote-unquote misgendering the man, saying that he was a man was apparently bullying and harassment, and

that is what happened.

But myself and my family was the one who filed the complaint.

Well, I'm glad because I was having a hard time understanding how our DOJ

was not standing up for your civil rights on this, especially since

the president has made it very clear.

Yes.

Can you give me any update on where this stands and where this is headed?

So we are still waiting to hear back.

We filed it a little bit ago and still waiting for news.

We have hope that it'll be in our favor.

And

I

am very much looking forward to seeing where it can take us.

And

yeah, I am hoping that it'll be all good.

Francis, I have to tell you,

you give me an awful lot of hope.

I think we treat our children

as little kids.

You know, you hit 16 years old.

Back in the old days, back in the old days, I mean, older than me, you know, our founders were in their 20s and 30s.

You know, Thomas Jefferson, I think, was 30.

They were expected to do more.

And we just say, oh, your childhood, your childhood.

Yeah, there is something about keeping childhood sacred and keeping childhood as safe as possible, but you are a great example of what 16-year-olds should be like.

You should know what your rights are, what your responsibilities are, why you believe certain things that you do if you're passionate about them.

Obviously, you're passionate about this, and make the case.

You give me an awful lot of hope, Frances.

I very much appreciate that.

Well, I can not tell you how much I, as I mentioned in my speech last Saturday, this is the turning point of America.

And I was

an

incredible fan of Charlie Kirk.

I think he was an amazing man.

And I think he's given me a voice to speak out and given me courage.

And I think that it's important, although we are young, to speak up for what we believe in.

It's important.

I've had those values instilled by my family as well and my parents.

And

I think it's very important.

He did not die in vain.

I think that we need to

make our country proud.

And we are going to be the future of America.

And we need to start acting like it and speaking up for what we believe in and what is right and

no good and evil.

Do you have any friends in Washington State?

Because I grew up in Washington State.

I know what it's like.

Your family, you would just must, is it just you guys?

Are you just

alone in Washington State?

Because you're amazing, but it

must not be very popular to be you and your family in Washington State.

Well, no, there, you see all around there's people who disagree, but we have a close group.

It really shows you who your close friends are and who is there for you.

But it is definitely not the majority in Washington State of what me and my family believe in, but this isn't over, and I think that we can make a change.

And I think people need to have their eyes opened and realize that

there's clearly something wrong.

And I think people can be very oblivious to the fact of that, but

it is pretty small.

majority, especially in Washington State, as you can probably see.

I know it.

I know it quite well.

Do you have any friends that disagree with you that are still standing with you as a friend?

I don't really have many friends who have told me they disagree.

I've been called a lot of names.

I've lost a lot of friends over it.

But I don't have many friends who disagree.

I think it's really sad because they've been told by so many people that they are right and people who disagree with them are automatically horrible people.

And

especially Chris Chris Reichdahl telling people that oh this isn't happening so kids are believing him and parents are believing him and so they think that I'm just wrong in looking for attention and I've been called that just the other day I got called a transphobe in the hallways by this kid that I used to be friends with and say hi to every day and I walked by and got yelled at and it's sad it really is yeah you sound smart enough to know there are easier ways to get attention, right?

Exactly.

Yes.

Thank you so much for everything you're doing.

Please keep me informed.

Keep us up to date.

We want to follow the story.

And if there's any way we can help, just know you're not alone.

And, you know,

it'll be people like you that will be remembered someday.

It's the people who did the things they didn't necessarily want to do, that didn't make them possible, in fact, made them a target, but

they had the faith in something bigger than themselves.

They knew they had a responsibility, and they stood.

Those are the kinds of people that actually make it into the history books, not the one that walked through the crowd, as you were walking through, who said, You're a transphobe.

That person is never going to be remembered in history.

You will be.

So thank you.

Keep it up.

I truly appreciate that.

And it means more than you know.

From the bottom of my heart, I appreciate appreciate this opportunity in speaking with you, and I will not forget what you said.

That means a lot.

Thanks a lot, Francis.

God bless you.

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