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Speaker 1 We go to Paul in Pennsylvania. Hello, Paul.

Speaker 4 Hello, Glenn. I never would have called the show if I didn't have a dream about speaking to you last night on the phone.
So I thought that was a prompting.

Speaker 4 I'm sure Stu will tell you that you're dreaming about Glenn.

Speaker 1 Things aren't going well.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I mean, you got to raise your standards there. My wife doesn't even dream about me.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, now, here's the call. I was like, well, I better jump on this.
So, what we talked about in the phone call was George Washington.

Speaker 4 I'm actually writing my PhD dissertation on George Washington, and I never had a mixture of excitement and heartbreak when I heard about George AI because I was so thrilled about it, but then I was heartbroken that I wasn't involved in it.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 so, I don't know, I'm just calling about that because I don't know, when you're dreaming about Glenn Beck, in the phone call, you know, I just jumped on it.

Speaker 1 Well, okay, so Paul, you're getting your your Ph.D. in history and specifically with George Washington or just that's your final paper?

Speaker 4 My focus is early American history. My dissertation is on George Washington.

Speaker 1 That is fabulous. And what did you come away thinking about George Washington, learning about George Washington?

Speaker 4 Well, I grew up in Pittsburgh. So Washington is all over the Pittsburgh area because of the French and Indian War.

Speaker 4 And you kind of wonder how much of it is legend and how much of it is true.

Speaker 4 And then the more you look into it, you realize these things weren't written about him after or during the revolution to, you know, pump him up.

Speaker 4 These things actually were written minutes or weeks after it happened, where pastors like Samuel Davies is writing after the Battle of Mongahela. This man might be being saved for our future purpose.

Speaker 4 And that's stuff that's happening 20 years before the revolution.

Speaker 1 The more you

Speaker 1 inspire

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 Isn't it amazing

Speaker 1 you look at George Washington and

Speaker 1 I can't believe we lie about his teeth,

Speaker 1 we lie about the cherry tree when he is the most honest,

Speaker 1 forthright, and

Speaker 1 heroic guy, I think, in all of American history.

Speaker 1 I mean, he is one of a kind, and we lie about him, and we don't talk about all all the things that happened that are absolutely real and just confounding miraculously.

Speaker 4 Miraculous is a correct term.

Speaker 4 It's shocking when you think of all of the incidents where his life, I mean, I know you had Celine Zidon a couple months ago, and she was talking about the incident in Butler, where he was shot at when he was 21 years old.

Speaker 4 A bullet flies in between him and a guide inches away. I mean,

Speaker 4 it's not just American history that's altered if he dies before the war. Everything.
World history is altered.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 So what is the worst thing you could find about George Washington? I could only find that his mother said that he ate a lot of ice cream and it was too extravagant.

Speaker 1 His mother's not a good judge of character.

Speaker 4 I mean, she's not the best.

Speaker 1 Not at all.

Speaker 4 No. Kind of went through life.

Speaker 1 You know, the more you learn about her, the more I think George Washington's mom

Speaker 1 probably sounded a little like that. You know what I mean? She's

Speaker 1 through the century. She's not a likable person.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's probably why he went on an adventure so early, just to get out of the house. She kind of chased him out.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 What's the worst thing you learned about him?

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 4 It's hard to find the dark when the light is so bright with him. I mean,

Speaker 4 the

Speaker 4 are you aware that one of the reasons that he

Speaker 4 ended slavery, I mean, ended his own personal slavery was a dream that he had

Speaker 4 that he was being

Speaker 1 in his wife's dream, and

Speaker 4 he told her, I'm rewriting the will. And that's when he's on his deathbed.
He brings out the two wills, and he brings out the new will that he wrote that

Speaker 4 frees the slaves after he had this dream.

Speaker 1 Where did you get what source is that?

Speaker 4 That is in a book called Imperfect God.

Speaker 1 And it talks about.

Speaker 1 I have to tell you, have you seen original sources on it? I mean,

Speaker 1 is it quoting where it's coming from?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it does quote. It does quote where it's at.
I mean, I have the book on my desk here, but I don't know where it's from.

Speaker 1 So, Paul, you know, I would really love to get your information, put him on hold and get his information, and he should go over to,

Speaker 1 I mean, he had a dream. I mean, we should at least pursue this to see if there's anything there, seeing that we're building George AI and that's what you're all about.
You know,

Speaker 1 it is

Speaker 1 if you can get through college and you want to learn history,

Speaker 1 I don't know how, you know, I don't know how Paul did it and made it

Speaker 1 with his brain not just jello, you know?

Speaker 1 Because when you go, this is the difference between...

Speaker 1 Look, George AI is not going to be, it's not going to be complete for a long time. It has, there's just too much in there.

Speaker 1 But it is going to be a doorway into learning about the founders in their own words with the founding documents.

Speaker 1 When you go to a university or you learn from history in class,

Speaker 1 you're trained to quote the interpreters of history, not understand the originators.

Speaker 1 Instead of reading Madison, you're standing there and you're sitting there and you're listening to a teacher or a professor trying to explain what Madison really meant.

Speaker 1 Well, why don't I just go to Madison?

Speaker 1 I don't want the modern context. I want it in his writings.
Can you imagine 100 years from now,

Speaker 1 Trump in the history books?

Speaker 1 How do you think that guy's going to be remembered with historians?

Speaker 1 How are they going to gauge? We can't even, half the country doesn't even know who he is. Half the country, and they're watching him in real time.

Speaker 1 What's the difference? They're not actually watching or listening. They're listening to the interpreters.

Speaker 1 If you actually listen to him, if you actually watch him,

Speaker 1 you learn that's a completely different guy. There's a show going on.

Speaker 1 And there's things that he does that I don't necessarily like, but that's not who he is. That's not what he's doing.

Speaker 1 That's why first sources are so important.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 you're not learning the interpretation.

Speaker 1 When you read about Washington and the farewell address and Lincoln's second inaugural,

Speaker 1 you see men who believed that truth

Speaker 1 existed outside of them, moral and divine, and

Speaker 1 it was outside of them.

Speaker 1 Universities are also teaching that, you know,

Speaker 1 I don't know. Truth is in you.
It's your truth. No, no.

Speaker 1 Real truth is outside of me.

Speaker 1 I don't know how Paul made it through without hating. America.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 Because usually you're taught that the founders founders were hypocrites and

Speaker 1 you're not reading the original sources.

Speaker 1 When you read the Federalist Papers, when you actually read the words of Frederick Douglass, not the interpretation of Frederick Douglass, but you read the words of

Speaker 1 Frederick Douglass, you see a guy who's really struggling, trying to figure it out. Not a perfect guy.
Same with Lincoln, not perfect. Same with the founders, not perfect.
They're really struggling.

Speaker 1 and that's not even understood I don't think in today's world the struggle for truth the struggle for thinking you're not taught to critically think anymore you know you're you're conform conform conform write this down kids it'll be on the test

Speaker 1 parroting is what they want

Speaker 1 you just you you have you decide to go your own way you decide to dissent and go no i don't think that's what it it meant.

Speaker 1 Good luck in that grade.

Speaker 1 And I think also universities,

Speaker 1 when you're learning history,

Speaker 1 I mean, look, if you want to be a teacher, you got to go to university.

Speaker 1 You got to get the ticket.

Speaker 1 But boy, I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you do it.
Because one of the things that happens is they strip you of awe.

Speaker 1 They strip you of the awe. He still had the awe of George Washington.

Speaker 1 He still was holding on to. No, you don't have any idea.
He's on the battlefield of Butler, Pennsylvania, and bullets are whizzing by him.

Speaker 1 He walks off the battlefield and he's got holes in his coat, but he's fine. There's an awe to that.
How did that happen? How can this guy ride? He's like 6'4.

Speaker 1 The average man is 5'6. He's 6'4.

Speaker 1 And he, so he's a giant of a man. And he's riding these big white stallions.
And he's going right up to the front. And he's never wounded.
He's never hit.

Speaker 1 People say over and over again, I had him in my sights.

Speaker 1 I had him. Dead to rights.
I pull the trigger. He doesn't fall.
It misses him.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's some awe to that.

Speaker 1 And it's for you to figure out.

Speaker 1 These are the kinds of things I hope we are going to be teaching

Speaker 1 through

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It's still in beta testing.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 we have,

Speaker 1 I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous because we're building something that nobody has built before.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I just want it to be just right for you. I want you to be able to, you know, one of the first things, I'll give you an address sometime, maybe today,

Speaker 1 probably tomorrow. I'll give you an address where you can write your questions.
You can say, Glenn, this is what I want to learn from the torch.

Speaker 1 These are the questions I would have for the founders.

Speaker 1 I really want to understand civics or I need to learn the Bill of Rights. And, you know, how did that happen?

Speaker 1 Whatever it is you want to learn about, especially founding the founding of the country and then anything you want to learn about in the news I'm going to give you an address tomorrow and I want you to write to me and tell me so we can make sure that we have these things really ready for you in in January because I think we

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Speaker 1 888-727-BECK taking your phone calls. Let's go to Anthony in Georgia.
Hello, Anthony. Welcome.

Speaker 4 Hey, Glenn.

Speaker 5 First off, I just wanted to say I'm a Democrat and I've been listening for almost 10 years, if you can believe that.

Speaker 4 Wow. Good for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're not alone.
Wait, wait, wait. How many days do you,

Speaker 1 how many days are you? I mean, you're into

Speaker 1 SM. I don't know.
I mean, how many days do you just shake your head and go, my God, I can't, what am I doing this for?

Speaker 5 It's every day, Glenn. Every day, I agree.

Speaker 1 It's every day. Okay.

Speaker 1 Do we agree on anything?

Speaker 5 We agree on a few things. I'm not going to say that it's complete disagreement, but a lot of times I end up pulling my hair.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Is there a

Speaker 1 just one more question? I'm sorry. I know you're the one calling in, but I have so many questions for you.

Speaker 1 Why do you listen? Glutton for punishment? Or what? Why?

Speaker 5 If I'm being completely honest, I don't really have many conservatives in my life that I can talk to about stuff like this. So I really like to get that perspective from you and just kind of see what

Speaker 1 is thinking. That's great.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 That is great. The only problem is I can't usually get answers to questions that I like want.
Like I'll be screaming at the radio thinking like, oh, but what about this?

Speaker 4 What about that?

Speaker 1 All right, well, let's go. Let's go for it.
You know, the other option was, and I thought it was probably a better, you know, a more likely option.

Speaker 1 Maybe you were paraplegic and somebody had left the radio on

Speaker 1 that really did not like you. And you're like in the room going, I can't change the dial.
Anyway, go ahead, Anthony.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 5 So what I wanted to talk about was your take on the Jim McKimmel suspension way back when. Honestly, I don't think you really came down hard enough on Trump for that.

Speaker 5 Because, I mean, you had the SCC chair who came out and basically threatened ABC on national television.

Speaker 5 And I feel like the next day, I think, if I remember correctly, you came out and said, well, Kimmel had low ratings. ABC is wanting to get rid of him for a while.

Speaker 5 And I feel like that kind of flies in the face of what you've been saying a lot about when you say that you, you know, you can disagree with someone, but you defend their right.

Speaker 5 to say what they believe. So I just,

Speaker 5 Trump, we have a lot of people looking the other way.

Speaker 1 Okay. Really good.
Fair.

Speaker 1 And maybe I didn't make a big enough deal out of it, but my opinion was always

Speaker 1 we don't cancel people. I don't want to cancel people.
And Stu, I remember Stu and I talking about

Speaker 1 this is beyond what the FCC, because I know the FCC,

Speaker 1 and I happen to know that commissioner.

Speaker 1 And I think he's very, very wise. I didn't think this was the right move.

Speaker 1 And as somebody who is regulated by the FCC, I don't want them to be able to do that to me. So why would I want them to do that to Jimmy Kimmel?

Speaker 1 So I'm absolutely against it. And I do stand up for people when they lose their jobs.

Speaker 1 I didn't think this was going to last.

Speaker 1 But when it comes to Jimmy Kimmel,

Speaker 1 ABC does have a right to fire people for low ratings.

Speaker 1 And I think this probably came from the frustration of

Speaker 1 what's his name, the dancing syringes,

Speaker 1 Colbert.

Speaker 1 He knows he's lying about all of that.

Speaker 1 He's low ratings, no low ratings. He was so far over budget, they were hemorrhaging tens of millions of dollars on that show every year.

Speaker 1 And you can only, as a network, you can only hemorrhage money for so long. And you're not turning it around, you're going to get fired.
And that's what that was all about.

Speaker 1 So I may have not come out as strongly as I should have. And I'm glad you called me on that, Anthony.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's just one of those things.

Speaker 5 I just feel like I would like it if more conservatives were willing to come out as strongly against other conservatives as they would if it was a Democrat doing it.

Speaker 5 You know, because I know you'd be screaming about this if Biden's SEC chair had done that.

Speaker 1 Well, they did.

Speaker 1 You know, know,

Speaker 1 I had three White House

Speaker 5 television saying that.

Speaker 1 I had three White House

Speaker 1 executives or advisors in the White House running campaigns to get me thrown off the air. So, I mean, I've lived it.
And so I do understand it.

Speaker 5 Well, I, you know, I can't say much to that, but what I can say is I just, I've never, I personally have never seen it before where someone can go on national television, issue a blatant threat, make it so obvious, and then just have everyone else just kind of say, oh, well, you know, he had low ratings, so that's what that was about.

Speaker 1 It just

Speaker 1 exactly. I hope, Anthony, I hope I've

Speaker 3 not to rehash the entire Kimmel thing, though. I think it's a little bit overstating it, honestly, when it came to what the threat was.
I mean, he was in the middle of an interview.

Speaker 3 He was asked a question. He was talking about this.

Speaker 3 And just like, you know, a lot of officials do, he was talking and about a story and I don't I didn't take it as this is going to happen to you tomorrow we're going to come after you I also don't think he had the power to do it anyway I mean I think there was a lot of talk and I will I will say that I am sympathetic to the case that at times the Trump administration talks more than they should about these things

Speaker 3 in various different topics, a lot of times claiming powers that they don't have in interviews

Speaker 3 when, you know,

Speaker 3 these aren't even things that could happen, but there's a lot of big talking going on at times. And I don't like that particular thing.

Speaker 1 You know, it's funny, Mr. Anthony, you'd be, I think you'd be probably surprised at how many times we have said on and off the air,

Speaker 1 this is getting close to constitutional problems. And if it goes any farther, you know, we're going to be on the other side.
I mean,

Speaker 1 we watch this very carefully, very carefully. And we're, I mean, we're debating some things right now,

Speaker 1 you know, that I don't know how to make sense of, but I don't have to make sense of it yet because it hasn't happened. But if it does happen, then I got to look at it and go, okay,

Speaker 1 it's unconstitutional. I can't stand there.
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 We really try, really hard, but you don't hear that. And, you know, I don't expect you to take my word for it.

Speaker 1 No, but I do believe that. Is there anything?

Speaker 5 know, I do believe that you guys would hold it accountable if you felt that it would cross the Constitution. I'm just kind of for me, I guess I'm just waiting to see it.

Speaker 5 And I don't know if we'll ever come to that point where Trump will actually blatantly do something that flies in the face of the Constitution.

Speaker 5 But with things like him tweeting out, you know, if I save the country, I don't break laws, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 we don't agree with that. Yeah, definitely.
And you know what, Anthony? You know, there might be something, there might be something here that we disagree on that might be part of the problem.

Speaker 1 I took Donald Trump's words literally for a long time. And that's why I was against Donald Trump at the beginning.
And then I realized, oh, he doesn't, that's a show.

Speaker 1 And I hadn't seen that before in a president. And I'm not saying that's good or bad.
I don't personally like the show part of it.

Speaker 1 But that's a show. You take him,

Speaker 1 you don't take him literally. You do take him seriously.

Speaker 1 And he says a lot of stuff that you're like, all right, he's not going to do that.

Speaker 1 And you can take it to the extremes. Hey, little rocket man, you know, may have to vaporize North Korea.
He's not going to do that. He's not going to do that.

Speaker 1 I don't like that he said that, but I don't get.

Speaker 1 you know, into a panic because he's not going to do that.

Speaker 1 And so you have to separate what he says from what he actually does. So sometimes we don't comment on what he says because I look for what he's doing instead.
Does that make sense to you?

Speaker 5 I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 5 I just, I guess what I'd say to that is I would just like it if we had a president who didn't make me have to try to parse through what he's saying when he says something that blatant.

Speaker 4 Oh, you know what?

Speaker 1 I have to tell you, so would I. But I live in the world that is the world that it is, not the world that I wish it was.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 1 Anthony, call me anytime.

Speaker 1 I really appreciate your phone call.

Speaker 1 And if you hear something, you just, you call, and I'll make sure the phone screener puts you to the top of the list because I really would like to hear the other side.

Speaker 3 From someone rational.

Speaker 3 Like, I love having conversations with people on the other side that's actually rational and calm. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And so we do appreciate you listening, anthony that's that's awesome man thanks yeah big time thank you so much anthony appreciate it you got it all right now can we dash him he's off the air yeah i mean we're going to believe these liberals

Speaker 1 that pinko bed wedding what a moron no that's that's

Speaker 1 those are my favorite calls i like those too when people can i mean and don't don't you kind of starve for that wouldn't you love to have that conversation with family members that

Speaker 1 where you don't agree? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 3 the points he brings up, like we've talked about this, and we have talked about it on the air. Of course, there are definite issues that we have with Trump.

Speaker 3 You know, I've talked many times about the tariff powers I don't think he has. And I think, you know, that's going to be a

Speaker 1 lot of him on COVID.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we've had with some of the COVID stuff. You know, and I will say, like,

Speaker 3 I have a disconnect a little bit internally that it's probably something that he's noticing, and maybe others are as well, where like stuff like when the president comes out and goes after a giant media company editing his interviews, like I, the BBC one that has just come out was blatantly terrible.

Speaker 3 And I, that one really did feel defamatory. Some of them are just like things that Donald Trump doesn't like.
And some of it makes me feel kind of good inside, emotionally.

Speaker 3 But I also really am hesitant to be excited about a president going after individual media companies in a country like ours.

Speaker 3 Number one, where I'm doing a show and I can see that we've done the show during Democratic presidents and had these pressures that we didn't like. But also in a country with the First Amendment,

Speaker 3 it's a risky road and I don't think he's crossed lines yet, Glenn. I don't know if you do, but

Speaker 3 I am concerned about it at times.

Speaker 1 I didn't like the tariffs on Canada. you know for playing Ronald Reagan.

Speaker 1 What is that?

Speaker 3 I don't even know if those actually went into effect.

Speaker 3 He said he was going to do them. I don't even know if they went into effect.

Speaker 1 Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 But,

Speaker 1 you know, if you look at the debate when we were going on the, what is it, the Alien and Sedition Act with James Madison. They, I mean, they went round after round after round.

Speaker 1 And some of the most compelling arguments were,

Speaker 1 you can lie.

Speaker 1 You can lie about government officials. Okay.

Speaker 1 You can. You can lie about them.
And when I first read that, I'm like, wow, why, why would what?

Speaker 1 But you look at their reasoning in the argument. They're like, the government cannot be the arbiter of truth.
It cannot be.

Speaker 1 So if you lie about somebody outside of the government, if you lie about an individual and you're smearing them, but if you're lying about the government, you cannot put the government as the arbiter of truth because they have too much power.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 I don't like the fact that the government can come after you.

Speaker 1 Donald Trump as an individual, you know, if you're saying things that are absolute lies about me, that BBC thing was just

Speaker 1 somebody

Speaker 1 passed. Yeah, it was so bad, so egregious.

Speaker 3 Also, in a country that doesn't have a First Amendment and those protections, which is maybe these companies could consider pushing for one in their nations because, you know, when you have those, it's a lot easier to sue in that way over a public figure there.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, if you're a public figure, you have a right to sue. I do not want the government going in and saying you can't do Jimmy Kimmel, FCC, you have to get off.

Speaker 1 There's no space for that. No space for that, no matter what he says, no space for that um but when it comes to hey you're saying this and it's a lie and you're defaming me

Speaker 6 um i i think you should be able to sue you're streaming the best of the glenn beck program and you can find full episodes wherever you download podcasts hello stu

Speaker 1 hello glenn how are you

Speaker 1 good there's a couple of uh stories that i think you know are worth talking about the um the tariff checks which i don't really like

Speaker 1 We can talk about that. Also, there's a new update on the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it means.

Speaker 3 Which one do you, let me

Speaker 3 let me ask you a couple questions. Which one do you like more, the $2,000 stimulus check or the 50-year-old mortgage or 50-year mortgage idea?

Speaker 3 Which one is, if you had to pick one, which one would you pick?

Speaker 1 If I had to pick one, I would pick the $2,000

Speaker 1 tariff check.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't think I, I think I'd pick the 50-year mortgage.

Speaker 3 To me, the 50-year mortgage should be available if some bank wants to offer it. It's up to a private.
I don't know what the government has to do with any of this, but

Speaker 3 if a bank wants to say, hey, 50-year mortgage, here you go. Take that risk and trust someone's going to pay you back for 50 years.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I want the money. What?

Speaker 1 I want the money.

Speaker 3 You want the money.

Speaker 1 Well, I got news for you, Glenn.

Speaker 3 You're not going to be in the category that receives it.

Speaker 1 I'll never get it.

Speaker 3 You're going to be paying for it and not receiving it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. But yeah, no,

Speaker 3 neither one of those two stories are my favorites.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I don't want to be writing checks. I mean, you know, I don't want to be, you know, the money is never really the money.
It's never, as long as we have excess. You know,

Speaker 1 we got, you know, whatever he says, $3 billion. Great.
Can we apply that directly to the debt? How about that one? But

Speaker 1 he knows he's in trouble. He knows he's in trouble.
He can't turn the economy around as quickly as he did the last time. It's not 2016 anymore.

Speaker 1 And so, you know, everybody was expecting and voting for him to turn things around. And the price of gas has gone down.
The price of eggs have gone down.

Speaker 1 But you're still, you know, now we're at 3% inflation. Well, okay, what about going? the other direction, getting the prices down to where they were, you know, in 2020.

Speaker 1 And gas has done that, but very few other things have done that.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And I think, you know, understandably, it's a central part of his platform.
The tariffs have been a big focus. He's talked a lot about it.

Speaker 3 It's also one of those things that, you know, there's a lot of disagreement on. So I think that's where he's drawn, right? Like, that's him.
He likes being in the fight.

Speaker 3 He likes being out there talking about these things.

Speaker 3 So that I think has,

Speaker 3 because it's not a particularly popular issue, it has made his economic approval rating ratings be more difficult, I think. And I think people are feeling,

Speaker 3 you know, some of the stuff being echoes from previous administration.

Speaker 3 With the spending and everything else, that's still the major cause of price increases, not tariffs as of yet. But some of that isn't helpful as well.
And you try to throw in $2,000 at people.

Speaker 3 Again, I don't know that that's even going to pass.

Speaker 3 He can't just do it.

Speaker 3 That's not something that he can just do on his own. He can't just hand out thousands of dollars in checks, I don't think.
I've seen a constitutional justification for that.

Speaker 3 So I don't think that's what he's even planning. I'm sure he's planning on trying to get something passed to do that if that comes up.
But you're right. We don't have the money.

Speaker 3 You know, I don't, I am not a person who wants to solve our debt problems with increased quote-unquote revenues to government. I don't think that's the correct way to do it.

Speaker 3 But if you have those revenues, if just things are going great and you get more money in, you're right.

Speaker 3 I'd rather have that dished out toward the debt, at least as long as there's a long-term plan to address address it. I mean, I don't know that paying

Speaker 3 1% or 2% of our debt off is even better than honestly just dishing out a bunch of money to people. But I will say it is what we would refer to as a, you think it's a, there's wealth.

Speaker 3 It is going from one place to another, and we are redistributing it.

Speaker 3 That is what is occurring here. And it used to be something we had a big problem with.

Speaker 3 You know, it's just, again, something he threw out. Maybe it's not even a hardcore proposal, but we should be concerned about going down that path long term.

Speaker 1 What is he going to do? Honestly, what can he do?

Speaker 3 Well, we talked about this a little bit yesterday, and one thing we didn't get a chance to get to that I would love to get your thoughts on is I think this is one of the reasons he's really embraced going all in on AI.

Speaker 3 I think he sees this and the opportunity of leading the world world in AI as a way to grow the economy out of the problems that we're facing here. And that's usually his approach.

Speaker 3 You think that's part of it?

Speaker 1 It's always his approach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that's 100% what it is. He's been convinced that this is the future.

Speaker 1 And, you know, if that works and we're the leader in it, then we will grow our way out because of the taxes and the jobs and everything else. And we could dwarf

Speaker 1 through a really robust economy, we could grow and grow and grow to where even just this debt, it doesn't seem so bad. That's absolutely his plan, but that's a long way away.
And getting there.

Speaker 1 Did you see the story in Texas about

Speaker 1 the server farm that's all built, ready to go? They're still working on the power plant, but they have all the permits and they're actually building the power plant. Did you see that? No.

Speaker 1 In Texas, they don't have anybody taking it yet.

Speaker 3 What do you mean? They say they built a server farm with no company attached to it?

Speaker 1 No company attached to it. Texas is, and it's not a Texas thing.
It's, you know, a bunch of, you know, billionaire Texans. They're like, we'll build you a server farm.

Speaker 1 And so they're building these buildings with power plants because they want all of them to be in Texas. And

Speaker 1 they're saying don't panic. But you would think that there would have been takers for that immediately.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it's been offered and nobody has snapped it up yet.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 3 I wonder what concerns me a bit. Obviously, there's a lot of economic considerations as to, you know, you've got to figure out what the cost is, and there's a lot to consider there.

Speaker 3 But, you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 I mean, there is a theory that this is really going to be a bubble, and we're going to see a situation like we did in 2000 where the internet kind of blew up on everybody.

Speaker 3 And it's not that AI, the internet never came, right? It's certainly a big part of our lives, maybe all of your life,

Speaker 3 if you happen to be under the age of 30 or so.

Speaker 3 But the internet came, it did change the world, but it took a while. And we had a collapse before it really did what everyone was promising it was going to do.

Speaker 1 So I told you yesterday I'm reading

Speaker 1 1929, a new book, 1929. It is fabulous.
You got to listen to it or read it. It's just fabulous.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 they're describing what the exuberance was like in 1929

Speaker 1 and how, you know, it's never going to go down. It's never going to go down.
Do you know? I mean, look at all of the things on the horizon. Look at all the new technology that is happening.

Speaker 1 Look at the people that are moving in. And, you know, we've got so many cars and so many refrigerators to sell.
And everything is changing. And it's just up, up, up, up, up, up, up.

Speaker 1 And everybody bought into it. I mean, it was.
I knew the run-up to the crash of 29 was bad with exuberance. I had no idea it was this bad.
I mean,

Speaker 1 they were openly calling it

Speaker 1 stock gambling.

Speaker 1 People were taking money, borrowing money, and then they would invest it in a company, but they would watch it as it would go during the day and they would make several trades.

Speaker 1 you know, in a week because, oh, you know, I hear this one's hot and we're going to gain a little here and then we'll pull it out and then we'll put money over here. I mean, it was gambling.

Speaker 1 It literally was gambling. And it was just consuming everybody.
And the real problem is, is the banks decided that they would give loans for playing the stock market.

Speaker 1 And so all of these banks are just so over leveraged. And that's kind of what I feel like here.
These,

Speaker 1 you know, we're really excited about, you know, the future of AI. Some of us are also equally as terrified.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it is going to happen. I just don't know how it's going to happen and when it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 And there just seems to be so much money sloshing around in the system and we don't even have the power units.

Speaker 1 You see, there's another server farm that has just been built and it's sitting empty and it's been sitting empty for a while because it's in California.

Speaker 1 A, nobody wants to build a server farm in California. B,

Speaker 1 they didn't connect it to its own power plant.

Speaker 1 So California, you can't put a California.

Speaker 1 Really? You're going to suck all that energy when you already have brownouts and then the server farm is just going to go down every once in a while. That's completely unworkable.

Speaker 3 Let me just interrupt real quick for a quick message from Gavin Newsom 2028

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 there's never been a man more clearly running for president.

Speaker 3 And also, you know, this is a guy. We need people to be aware of what it's like in California and what they're dealing with there.

Speaker 3 You're right. It would be insane to build these types of facilities there, knowing what California will likely do to you.
And you're right. I think we both have the same concerns on AI.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of bad that comes along with it.

Speaker 3 But there is a lot of promise as well. And there probably will be really good developments that come out of it.

Speaker 3 And it probably will take over the world and do all the major amazing things that they say it's going to do, along with a lot of really terrible ones, just like the iPhone.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 the path there is not, it's not, it's not linear. It's not this wonderful upswing.
Something's going to happen. And you look at the way our economy is structured right there.

Speaker 3 Wow, the bet is big on AI. I mean, it's really the only bet anyone's making right now.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 Can I switch topics here for a second?

Speaker 1 Sotheby's is having

Speaker 1 a big auction. And something really, really important in the art world is going up for sale.
It is a solid 18 karat gold toilet. Now, not the toilet that you might have heard before.

Speaker 1 That one was stolen. They never found it.

Speaker 1 It's just the gold is worth $10 million. It's going up for sale.
This artist, he's some,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 cultural phenomena, according to Sotheby's. He took gold, melted it down, and made it into a gold throne.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Apparently it's a statement on the excess of capitalism. Yeah,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 I think the real statement isn't in the art. I think the real statement is in us.
You know, have you ever heard of DeCromp

Speaker 1 Stu?

Speaker 1 He was an artist

Speaker 1 in the 1920s and he did a

Speaker 1 urinal and he was making fun of the art world. And he just took a urinal.

Speaker 1 out of out of a men's restroom and then put it on the wall and called it art. And he was mocking the art world, mocking them, saying, you know,

Speaker 1 you call anything art.

Speaker 1 And, you know, and as long as you like it, then it goes up on value. Well, the art world critics decided, oh, well, two can play at that game.
We love that. That is art.
That is beautiful art.

Speaker 1 And it became one of the most famous art pieces around. Now they're doing it with the

Speaker 1 toilet.

Speaker 1 which should just tell everybody, you know, this whole thing is a con.

Speaker 1 It's a con. Yeah.
The art world is a con.

Speaker 3 And this comes from the 100th most important person in the world of art, as named by Art Something magazine several years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Glenn Beck.

Speaker 1 My favorite magazine. Yes.

Speaker 3 It was Art Something magazine. But I will say,

Speaker 3 you ever notice how a lot of statements against capitalism end up in the person making the statement with a lot of money?

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. That seems

Speaker 1 to happen a lot. I have noticed that.

Speaker 3 It's like all these Hollywood movies that make these grand statements against capitalism wind up lining their pockets with millions of dollars. It's so strange how that happens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they hate it. Oh, and they hate themselves when they have to spend it.
They just hate themselves. You know, this artist, he just hates capitalism, but somehow or another, he got enough.

Speaker 1 Now, remember, the last toilet sold for the same. And so the last toilet was like $10 million.

Speaker 1 So he had $10 million.

Speaker 1 Then that toilet was stolen and so he's made another one with another ten million dollars worth of gold so this starving artist somehow or another has coughed up twenty million dollars to make two gold toilets but he hates capitalism and rich people

Speaker 1 they're just so horrible

Speaker 6 i turned off news altogether

Speaker 3 I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

Speaker 1 It's the rage bait.

Speaker 5 It feels like it's trying to divide people.

Speaker 1 If we got clear facts, maybe we could calm down a little.

Speaker 1 NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts.
Let's move forward from there. NBC News, reporting for America.