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My problem with that is I think plants are smart.

Oh my God.

What was that? Where'd you get the money? What'd you do? What are you doing down there? Why do people say they have UFOs?

Like, what is the tax bracket of someone who makes a million dollars a year?

They're so vitamin rich.

Oh, my God, that's so crazy. K-Marsh, off the record, what'd you think of Candace Owens?

I did not care for Candace Owens.

Didn't like her. What I can say is

seeing this in Twit, it absolutely does not surprise me where she ended up being or where she currently is, that she went from here, that her trajectory

went from being put on the spot

in some cases by Joe Rorgan and not having a good answer to libeling the wife of the French prime minister, the French president rather, and getting herself into more and more hot water on that.

I don't believe that she believes what she's saying at any given point in this conversation.

She's just, it feels to me like she signed up to be a mouthpiece because it will get her lots of attention, lots of acclaim, lots of fame.

And it doesn't, if she, as long as she doesn't care what she's saying and about who. That's the kind of the vibe I'm getting from it really.
I had never

before this point, just like how when

I started this show, neither of us had ever listened to Joe Rogan. We were just both like, yeah, I mean, I've never really listened to it.

I never listened to Candace Owens at length.

The only time I've ever heard Candace Owens before this was clips of her if she said something somewhere, or I would read an article and never even, I don't, to be honest, I can't even remember hearing her speak before this.

So like, I knew who she was. I knew she was sort of this person involved in all this stuff, but I never really paid a ton of attention to her.

And like you, I came away thinking, this is someone who is clearly hasn't either hasn't thought deeply about these things that she supposedly believes and is ready to tell you, this is how it is, right?

She hasn't, she either she hasn't done that or she doesn't actually believe it and doesn't care enough to find out what those things are that hold it up, you know, what are the, what are the underlying causes?

She just, she knows a bunch of Republican blood buzzwords and she just repeats them really well back to back to other people who ask questions about them.

Yeah, it's funny. It seems we're in the gloves off kind of behind the paywall section.

I can mention that I actually had dinner recently, had a bite to eat with somebody who worked at the BBC who interviewed Candace Owens when she came over to the UK to launch Turning Point UK with Charlie Kirk and this kind of importing your psyops into the UK as happens.

And as we'll talk about in a future show, she gets into a ding-dong on this, Candace gets into a ding-dong on this conversation with Joe Rogan about the climate.

At one point, Candice is saying, I don't believe in climate change.

The BBC journalist I was speaking, I was sitting having a bite to eat with, put to her in this interview, you said you don't believe in climate change.

And Candice responded to say, I've never said that. I've never, ever said that.

When have i ever said that i absolutely haven't and then at the start of her speech interview like inter introducing turning point uk she singled out this bbc con

bbc interviewer and said and there are people here from the bbc who are lying about things that i've said this this awful person the bbc is lying about and the the person i was talking to was saying it would be so exciting that we would have got to we filmed all of that we would have got to be on tele saying here's candace owen slagging us off at the start of a thing saying we lied and then cut to her denying climate change and then something happened that day, which meant they just could not run that story because a much bigger story had happened.

And they had to spike the whole thing, understandably spike it. But it would have been amazing.
So yeah, completely by chance, I stumbled into

chatting with somebody who happens to have been the best. What a great run.
Candice Owens that would have been. Oh, man.
Yeah.

But I think that I can't speak for the BBC person, but I think I certainly got the feeling that

there's plenty of other people who agree Candice Owens doesn't believe what she's saying. She's just happy to say it.
And it's rare that I would say that about someone on Rogan.

I'd normally like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but there is no benefit and no doubt in my mind. Okay, so

we're going to start this first bit. This is her, it's like literally six seconds into the show.
They don't have intro music back then. It's just them counting down, and this is the beginning.

Oh, yeah.

Candace Owens, how you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm very good.
Thank you. Thank you for asking.

A lot of controversy these days. Candace? I guess.
A little bit. in the Twitter verse.
In the world, just everybody's excited about being outraged. Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly right.

There's controversy every five seconds. You know, I had a guy on before, the guy that you just met, Dr.
Robert Schock, he's a geologist from Boston University, and he is a part of this

backdating of the ancient

history of Egypt. And they're talking about...
you know, all these different structures that might be thousands and thousands of years older than people think they are.

And one of the things that he's working on is that there was coronal mass ejections from the sun somewhere around 10,000 years ago that basically killed off a giant percentage of the population on the planet.

Lightning storms millions of times greater than anything we've ever experienced before.

That literally, which like lightning coming down like rain, barbecuing the ground, killing people, people forced into caves, civilization resets.

It's almost like we need something like that to really be upset about. Because instead of being upset about Roseanne or Samantha B or Samantha B used the C word today, that naughty girl.

It's just outrage culture.

I say everyone should just wait like 48 hours if everybody hates you and then they'll be on to the next person that they have to hate.

Yeah, well, that's one of the cool things about the internet is the cycle, boy, it hits you hard, but then it goes back pretty quick. Really fast.
Yeah, it's never that serious.

Honestly, all this comes across as all the controversy is everyone else's fault. It's not poor Candace's fault.
She just says things and people take it and they like to get upset about things.

It's never her fault at all. Yeah.
Yeah. And like, look, you're a provocateur.
That's literally your job. You can't be surprised that this outrage came out.
You literally fostered it.

That'd be like a magician caught off guard from their own trick. Like, oh my God, there was a coin behind your ear.
That's amazing.

And look, if you have.

no scruples or consistency, it's easy not to care about public opinion. And that's what they're going to say throughout this whole thing is I don't care about, I don't care what they say.

I don't care. Yeah, because you don't, because you don't have any scruples, because there isn't anything in you that makes you think that when other people are upset, that should bother you.
Yeah.

Yeah. And interesting as well, he mentions Robert Schock here.

I think Robert Schock is the reason that in this conversation, as we'll cover in the future, Joe pushes back on climate change pretty hard because I checked in a bit of the Robert Schock conversation and some of that talks about how the climate change thing is real.

So I wonder if it's just that Joe's got the Robert Schock conversation in his head when she starts saying she doesn't believe in climate change later.

And she says, he says, the person you just met. So that to me says that Joe records multiples of these in a single day.
Oh, yeah. Which I guess would make sense.

If you do two a day, he could get through his entire week's work in like two days. I know, but God, that's eight hours of talk.
Yeah.

Meaning, I couldn't do two of, I couldn't regularly do two of these hours on Joe. I couldn't listen to that much Joe Rogan in a day.
All right. So now we're going to talk a little bit about conflict.

Well, people think there's a cultural war going on. There most certainly is.
There is, for sure.

But, you know, so they feel like they're on a side and they have to, you know, they're going to lob grenades. Right.
They're in the war. Yeah.

And it gives people, it also gives people a sense of purpose, like that engaging in these Twitter fights somehow or another is like reinforcing the good behavior and shutting down the bad behavior.

And

I don't necessarily believe that. Even if I don't agree with someone online, I very rarely tweet about them.

I'm not, I just, I feel like I try at this stage of my life to avoid conflict as much as possible, unless it comes to writing jokes.

I think that's worth including because that is a very rare moment of self-awareness from Joe here. I agree he does avoid conflict as much as possible.

And that gets him into trouble a lot of the time because it sort of leads to him yes anding people who come along and say some pretty crazy stuff. So it makes sense.

Does Joe realize he's actually so conflict diverse? I genuinely don't know whether this is the first time I've ever seen him acknowledge the fact that he doesn't get involved in any type of conflict.

He's talking about online in part, but I wonder if he also knows that he's like that in person too. Yeah.

Okay, so this next clip is about a tweet and about some outrage about it. I might have made that.

Like she like won. Yeah.

She came around the perfect time. Yeah.
She was like, yes. NBC wrote, this is our president.
Right. I was like,

they tweeted it. It's insane.
It's like they're not even pretending, which I appreciate now. They're not pretending to be the news anymore.

Like, you know, they're just like, we hate Trump and we are the propaganda machine that will tell you, like, you know, it was NBC on Twitter. It was just the NBC Twitter.
It said something like

an amazing speech by outrageous.

I was just like, wow. Yeah.
Wow. And then everyone was like,

it was like the opposite of outrage culture, which I don't even know what it is. It's like, run, run, run.
You have to run because like you gave a speech. The woman who brought you the secret and Dr.

Oz. Yeah.

It's just like, I can't take anything seriously anymore.

Well, there's things to be taken seriously, but celebrities probably are on that list. Yeah, so Ben Shapiro's right.
Yeah, no, well, he's right about this.

This is, you know, but he was like trying to correlate like what Kim did, like, with Alice Marie Johnson, with like that. And I'm like, come on, man.
That's like totally different.

And just in general, like, sometimes he just gets a little like hall monitor for me. Like, you know, like, it's just like, you know what? Well, he can't help himself.
I know. He just a funny guy.

He's very snarky. I like him a lot.
I like him too. That's a thing.

Okay, that can't be true because that would mean that there are two people who like Ben Shapiro. And that is definitely not the case.

Yeah, I want to mention just: look, I'm going to be a pet in here for a second. When they're talking about this tweet from NBC, they're missing the joke and treating it as if it's serious.

Here's a quote: This is from an article:

Yesterday, a tweet about the Golden Globes and Oprah Winfrey was sent by a third-party agency for NBC Entertainment in real time during the broadcast.

It is a reference to a joke made during the monologue and not meant to be a political statement. We have removed the tweet, end quote.

So Winfrey, the former daytime host that they mention here, set off a wave of speculation about a 2020 presidential run after she gave a rousing speech at Sunday night's Golden Globe Awards that struck themes of social justice.

During the event, NBC sent a tweet with a picture of Winfrey with the words, quote, nothing but respect for our future president, hashtag golden globes, end quote.

And then the tweet might have actually been a reference to a meme that emerged about Donald Trump and his Hollywood star.

And someone had tweeted, quote, stop to clean real Donald Trump's Hollywood star, nothing but respect for my president, end quote.

So, like, there's a, there's a subtext, there's a Twitter thing going on here, there's a whole bunch of stuff.

And both these people immediately turned to, it was the media, they're 100% on board with this now, instead of saying, like the comedian not recognizing that that might have been a joke.

Yeah, and in some ways, this is outrage culture because they're saying it's so awful. Exactly, just that they are so masked off about it, that they're so open about it.

It's like you're just taking a joke seriously and getting outraged about it. This is the very thing you think you don't do.

Yeah.

Okay, so now they're going to continue on with Ben Shapiro.

It's like, we actually really get along, but like the hall monitor, like, I know these types in school. Like I was in their classes, you know, like they're just like, you know, like late to school.

Like the last person you want to see is like the hall monitor. Like, you know, like

the idea

that she would be late, right? Yeah. Like he's writing you a pink slip.
It's like, Ben, just give me the pink slip, dude. Like, you know, like,

just give it to me, Ben. All right.
Like, right? Like, you know, this is a gateway to Saturday school. Like, it's just like.
That's a good impression of him. It's just.

You got to talk a little faster, though. Yeah.
He talks a little faster. You can't even understand what he's saying.
That's what he's saying sometimes. Yeah.
You're like, I can't do that.

How do you do that? How do you do that? I can't do that. And he's doing it sober.
He's not like, no. There's some dudes who do that.
They're all Adderalled up. No, he's on the natch.

Yeah, he does that, man. But I like him.
Like, I liked these kids in school. I'd just be like, you know, I was just the kid that was just kind of like more chill.

I think it's so funny that their I really like Ben Shapiro conversation is brutally ridiculing him. This is like roasting him while pretending they like him.

They clearly, neither of them clearly like him, but they're just like they're using this as an opportunity.

Like, yeah, she says, I really like him, but she says that because she's paid to say that, essentially.

I didn't think her impression was very good. I don't think it was dry enough, to be honest with you.

This is another bit about Roseanne, but they're going to bring Ivanka into it. This could have went into our whataboutism piece.

Part of what's happening with Roseanne is not just that she made a racist tweet, even though she didn't know it was racist, but she supports Trump, and then her character supports Trump. Correct.

And people were looking for something to hate her over, and she handed it to them.

Well, it's just

you stick your neck out in that way.

And you're just

people on the left, for sure, look at anyone who's a Trump supporter as an open target. Even if they're a reasonable person, even if they're a person who's kind and measured and very

even keeled. She's like the nicest person I think I've ever met is Ivanka Trump, you know, and she's like never responds, never punches back.
And look what they, how they treat her.

Well, that's how Samantha B did it. But yeah, other people have gone after her too.
All the time they go after Ivanka.

And I'm like, she's like such a kind person, but it's just because like her father is Donald Trump. So it's open season.

Ivanka Trump is the nicest person Candace Owens has ever met. But as we've established, she works with Ben Shapiro and Charlie Cook.
So that, that may be true.

It's a shallow pool, that's for sure.

Look, nobody cares how nice somebody is if they're endorsing policy that is immoral, right?

I don't care how sweet, even if like, could you imagine if like Stephen Miller was the sweetest, nicest guy and then saying, let's deport all the people and then calling them illegals?

You wouldn't be like, oh, you know, gosh, you guys are picking on Stephen Miller. Like, come on, she's supporting her dad.
She's becoming, her and her husband are becoming.

fabulously wealthy as part of that administration. There's a lot of reasons to dislike Ivanka, and it's not because she's super sweet and doesn't punch bad.
Yeah, super sweet to Candace Owens.

She's the nicest person to Candace Owens. Exactly.
Is she nice to everyone, or is it just to people who are politically expedient for her movement?

Okay, so now they're going to shift their conversation to talk about Jake Tapper. I like Trump.
I don't know what to say. I like the guy.
I think he's really nice.

I'm going to take a photo of Jake Tapper on the news the day of the election.

We did a podcast from the comedy store.

We call it the end of the world podcast. A bunch of people, because whoever the fuck wins, it's the end of the world.

So we had this live podcast. And I went into the green room afterwards, to the comedian's bar, and Jake Tapper was on TV, and he was so bummed out.
And I took a photo of him, like him on the screen.

Yeah, like the sadness. I remember his face.
He was really sad. He was like a sad.
Do you see if you can find it? Oh, my God. It's really good.
He was so bummed.

I think Mike Cernovich did the best, like he spliced together all the clips of just like, it was exceptional, the news anchors and the emotion that was coming out of them. He did some like.

The crazy thing is all of them that said he'll never win. I know.
He'll never win. And now we have that forever.

yeah you know it's forever they laughed they laughed i remember there's a moment where like ann coulter they said so who do you have winning and she says donald trump and they broke into laughter like the cool kids yeah the cool kids at the um at the lunch table and that's really how they've been acting like they're not interested they think that they're the cool kids at the lunch table and they get to define what's cool and they're they're just having a rude awakening right now and it's beautiful to watch i love it i love it everybody loves an upset too

honestly just note who she cites throughout this interview as the people around her. It's Ben Shapiro, it's Charlie Kirk.
Here we have Cernovich, fucking Mike Cernovich.

Another point is Jordan Peterson. It is the who's who of whose YouTube channel should get you added to a watch list.
Yeah. Yeah.
And listen to like the delight that they're talking about.

how people were sad that day. These aren't people that are serious.
These are angry grifters. They're not serious about anything.
They don't, they don't have any empathy whatsoever.

They just look out and they're like, ha ha, ha ha, you got it. You got, you lost.
Ha ha. It's totally like,

it's worse than

even a rival sports team. It's even worse than that.
Yeah. It's essentially the, this is bad for the people

I dislike, which is just as good as it being good for the people like me. Like it's just as important to them.
Yeah.

And also listen to how Joe frames the end of the world, send the world no matter who wins. Dude, if Hillary won, we would not have the Dobbs decision.

If Hillary won, there would not be a Dobbs decision. A decision that you prior to that decision coming in, last episode when we covered with Tom Segura, you were lamenting Texas's policy on abortion.

So we would not have the thing that you are upset about last episode if Hillary had won. So even if that was the only thing that changed, that would have been changed.

Okay, so now they're going to talk about a person named Van Jones.

Right. And I see that because, like, you know, when I went to this prison reform summit, Van Jones was there and Donald Trump was speaking.
And it was like love between them. It was love.

This is the guy that said whitelash, you know, right after the election. And he, you know, but how can he go back from that? It's very hard to, you know, pedal backward from that.

So half of them are fake, in my opinion. I find them to be fake because I've seen them behind closed doors.
They don't feel that animosity for the president because it's hard to. He's really likable.

I mean, like, his presence, when you meet him, he's very aware of himself. He's aware of the jokes that are being made about him.
He'll make the jokes about himself.

Really? Yeah, he's likable.

He just has something about him. What about like when he makes a tweet on Memorial Day saying that the dead soldiers would be really happy to know how good the economy is doing and how

black unemployment is its lowest it's ever been? Like, that shit was ridiculous. I actually missed that tweet.
I'm just laughing because every time someone says a Trump tweet, I just like, I laugh.

I just think it's funny. Well, someone wrote that he put the me in memorial day.

That was an article about it.

I mean, just listen to this. This is her deliberately running cover for Trump to Joel's audience.
You know, he's such a great guy. He's so funny.

When he says stupid things on Twitter, oh, he's just, they make me laugh. He's so funny.

Everyone loves him, even secretly, the liberals, the ones who've criticized him, they actually secretly, really love him.

So if you do see anyone criticizing him, just know that they don't really mean it and they've got

nothing to stand on, or they're being paid to do it like Jay-Z and Beyonce. There's no legitimate criticism of Trump.
She wants Joel's audience to really know that.

Yeah. Also,

they made fun of Trump at a

one of those White House dinners and he got furious about it. So don't tell me he knows he makes jokes about himself.
That dude never jokes about himself. He never does that.

Okay. Now they're going to talk more about Trump.

I'm telling you, man. It's so cool.
I'm telling you. We're going in a different direction.
I predict in 2020, he's not going to go on scene. He's going to be here.
It's like he just wants to talk.

And it's really hard. It's really hard for these people to speak because what happens is they go onto a stage and the room, they love him.

Everyone loves him because he's really likable. You can't be in a room with Trump and not laugh and like him.

The Tamper is wearing out his fingers right now, tweeting about you. I know, I know.

But then they take away the clips and then they splice it up and they make it look like he said something bad.

But what they're doing is it's a terrible game to play because you're not just lying on Trump, you're lying on the 50,000 people, you know, the thousands of people that are there to hear him speak, right?

Like, so they're playing a game where then those people get pissed off.

So, yeah, I mean, she's right that he is going to be on Rogan at some point. So she has actually, she does predict that he's going to be in there at some point here, that he's going to be right here.

That's true. Yeah.
But she's saying that. Essentially, everyone in the rooms he chooses to be in where people have specifically come to see him, like him.

So, therefore, it's unfair to point out that other people might feel differently or to look too closely at what he says and see whether it's offensive or ridiculous or anything like that.

And so, yeah, you apparently have to really splice those clips to make him look like he said something bad.

You've got to work hard to take him out of context and make it seem like he said something bad, like the time he did an impression of a disabled journalist.

You know, you have to remember it was really funny at a time in the room when the 50,000 people in the the crowd were laughing at the impression of someone with cerebral palsy while that person wasn't there.

It's only when you take it out of context that it seems bad. Yeah.
And Trump does this thing where he kind of...

Sounds like he's half joking, but he'll do a dog whistle while he's half joking so he can get out of it. So he can take a step back.

Like very recently, he just, he said, he made a joke about being a dictator. And then he said, well, some people like dictators and, you know, maybe they would like me to be a dictator, et cetera.

And then if somebody calls him on that, he could could just say i was just joking yeah settle down i was just joking but if he does things that are more dictator like

that is also an encroachment that he's allowing himself to have and he's he's sort of announcing ahead of time as a dog whistle to all those people who support him to say yeah go trump so he wants he he butters his bread on both sides all the time and he gets away with it constantly by our media but she's making it seem like he's just oh he's just joking all the time there's a lot of times he says things that are supposed to be jokes that are not jokes at all yeah all right uh this next bit um this is just great this is uh this is candace owens not really knowing much about the host another thing is like especially like you

a former stand-up comedian right i'm current you still

but do you tour and do you do comedy or do you just tour and do

yeah do you do comedy or do you just speak i okay so do you speak i don't speak ever do i speak speaking right now

you do that shit I don't do that shit. Do you guys have a bad thing?

The road could just be having conversations with the crowd. People love to talk to you.

That's tiresome. Yeah.
So, but the thing is, like, how is it difficult when you're standing? You can't say anything anymore. It's like five seconds and your whole life can be over.
You can.

You just have to legitimately not give a fuck. Right.
And have a bunch of good friends that you really love. And you, you know, you surround yourself with loving people.

You all support each other. Yeah.
And then when people get mad at you, you go, eh.

Former stand-up woof, man. Wow, she unleashed on him there.
Yeah, it's amazing.

Like, she is so deep in this world that she thinks that Joe Rogan is scared to say what he thinks on stage in case he gets canceled and his life is over.

Like, Jesus Christ, she's got zero awareness of where she is. And you know, she's still young at this, she's in her early mid-20s at this point.
She's, you know, she has no idea of these things.

Um, it's just amazing that she thinks he gives public talks and doesn't do stand-up, like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go and see a talk by Joe Rogan.

Wow.

Oh, man. And it with Joe, too, at the end, when he's like, all you have to do is just have a bunch of friends.

Yeah, all you have to do is buy a comedy club and cultivate a podcast audience that loves everything you say.

And you're going to kill on stage every night that you're there because they're going to come in for the podcast jokes and the podcast friends.

And they're going to laugh at all your jokes and you're going to be super funny because you never have an adversarial audience that doesn't know who you are.

Yeah, it's Trump in a room with 50,000 people. It's exactly the same thing.
You've curated a room who wants to come and see you, and you've mistaken that for being brilliant.

Okay, so next bit, they're still talking about outrage. That's what I do.
People don't realize, I think they don't realize how little I care about their outrage.

I'm always saying to myself, I wonder if they knew how little I cared if they'd actually write the article. Like if they actually knew how little I gave it.
Well, you care a little.

Are you still talking about Jake Tapper? And

I'm fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by that.
Because Jake Tapper was like a day where they all were just like, ah,

and and then like the next day, his fist right now. It was over.
Yeah, yeah. And then the next day it was over.
Like, you know, like just now with like Ben Shapiro, it's like, no one cares.

Like, I don't care. I know Ben doesn't care.
Like, Ben, I don't, we like it. We're going to see each other in one week, like in two weeks in Texas.
We're doing an event together.

Like, I see him all the time and I like them. But like to everyone else, they're weighing in.
It's like, it's like. So this is your business, though.
This is, you're in the business of politics now.

So yeah, she does care. She obviously cares because that's how her income stream works.

Outrage is the fuel to the machine. There isn't a Candace Owens without the outrage.

And that is why she is currently calling Brigitte Macron a man because she gets outrage and she converts that into attention and clicks and things for her viewpoint.

I was genuinely watching this on the on the on the show when I was watching the videos. I was genuinely open-mouthed when Joe called her on first, you do care about this.

And then also, so this is your business now.

I was like, whoa, is he like, I don't eat came as hard as I thought he was going to, but it felt like for a moment, like he was about to point out, you only have a career because of outrage.

It felt, there's, there's several moments in this where I was like that. And like we'll cover on that future show with climate change, I was like that throughout the whole session on climate change.

All right. So now they're going to talk about, this is the whole thing that we teased in the beginning of the previous show that you mentioned, Marsh, where she talks about Gamergate.

And so this whole thing is about Gamergate. And she's talking, this is sort of her talking about what happened and how she was involved with the whole Gamergate thing.

With the timeframe of getting no, nobody messaging me, right, to her calling me, all of this funning in, and then the New York magazine. I was a girl on Kickstarter.

Why the hell is the Washington Post calling me after I tweet, this girl harassed herself? The Washington Post, New York Magazine, the usual suspects, right? Like

now, the usual suspects. At that time, I was like, oh, great.
The Washington Post.

I was like, totally an idiot.

You know, we're rushing to say like, oh, Candace got confused. Like, it's been a long time internet conspiracy that Zoe Quinns harassed herself and Candace got sucked in.

I'm like, I don't even know what Gamergate is. I don't know who, I don't even know if this article is about.
You had no idea that there was accusations that she had harassed herself.

You just said none. That girl had never been harassed.

One instinct. Gut instinct.
One instinct. And I got in the middle of a cultural war and people were like, get in touch with Nero.
I'm like, who the fuck is Nero? It was Milo Yannopios at the time.

Like, get in touch. Like, you know, like, you just like landed.

And then people that I thought were white nationalists, which was like Breitbart, was the only publication that was like just telling the truth about what's happening.

Like just saying, like, this girl jumped on Kickstarter. Like, she's no, like, pulling no leg in this race to non-political.
I'm not, and like, this is what she says happened.

So it was just a bizarre, it was a very bizarre situation, but it changed my life because the people that I would have thought in that moment would have like come after me and said awful things about me or said like were the people that were very kind.

Like

so she her, she's talking at the start start there about the attention she got and she's basically saying why did i get attention for this thing that i said to get attention that is the argument that she's making yeah and then when she's saying like joe sinks you had no idea about the accusations about someone harassing themselves you said no it was just gut instinct and gut instinct is once again i just know i just know i need no evidence need no logic need no reasoning i just know And then she's talking about, well, Milo Yiannopoulos and, you know, Breitbart, the people that she would have thought were white nationalists, they were the only ones who were on her side.

She thought they come for they were on her side. You were groomed by people who recognized you could be useful to them.

That you, if they got you on side, you'd be a good mouthpiece for their messaging to an audience, and it would carry more authenticity, more uh relevance because you're a person of color and because you're female.

And so, you're with you, if you're willing to say the things that they want you to say, it'd be more useful. You were groomed into that,

yeah. And the idea that she used her gut instinct to organically come up with all the talking points of the Gamergate sort of controversy

and tweet that out without knowing anything about it before.

I don't know, man. And she says she found all that out from a single call with this person.

She immediately says, like, all these pieces of the Gamergate thing, all that all these people have been saying for a long time that are. awful, evil, vile people.

I have a hard time believing that. It sounds more like a confession that you found all this stuff out and then you said it.
And you're like, nope, I just thought about it.

All I did was think about it real hard for two minutes and then I came up with it. And I don't believe you.

I do believe she went with her gut instinct, but her gut was telling her, there is money to be made and there is fame to be had if I'm willing to say these things.

Yeah.

Okay. So now, Joe, ask for proof.
Now, is there ever been any proof at all that she's done what you think she did?

Just a bunch of people saying the same thing that had nothing to do with one another in different situations and the media refusing to

Well, it's like one of those blame the victim things. Nobody wants to take a chance unless there's just overwhelming.
And she never responds. Like I've said it on a thousand things.

Like she harassed her. Like she never responds.
And I stick by that. I'll never veer from that.

But I always say that was that was my moment, like this, this project that I had never even built out

that changed everything.

stopped the project and I

subsequently just wanted to learn.

Like I just like, is it possible that I got to 26 years old and have everything wrong about people that I thought, you know, I was just believing in the background, you know, that anybody that CNN said.

You have this one interaction with one person that may or may not be deceptive. Why would that make you switch political affiliation? I wasn't, it wasn't even switching.
I wasn't politically active.

I just, like, if you had asked me, I would have said I was, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was never, I was never a girl like wearing a pussy hat outside.

Like, that's the thing that people don't understand.

If, if pressed, no, God, if pressed, I, now that I, if you think of like where where I'm at now and talking about how I hate labels, I was probably already a conservative, but I didn't give a shit about politics.

I had $100,000 in student loan debt, and I was just trying to pay it back. That's it.
That was my whole life. There was nothing about politics.

But at that moment, it made me, it was forced me to consider my political affiliations because I had me saying this. I'm saying like, you know, the New York magazine tried to smear me.

I say the Washington Post tried to smear me at the exact same time. Donald Trump is getting on a stage and he's saying they're fake news.

So, first of all, she had no proof of the crazy thing that she thinks had happened, absolutely no proof at all.

But that thing that she thinks had happened, that she had no proof for, was enough to change her entire political affiliation because she was a liberal. She was a liberal, big old liberal.

But then she changed her mind and Joe pushes back. Why would this one thing change a political affiliation?

And her, I was once a liberal, now I'm conservative, switches into, I was politically unaffiliated. And that switches into, I was probably a conservative at the time.
Yeah.

Her entire backstory is this big 180, but it's entirely undermined by this bit right here from her. Yeah.
Because liberal turns conservative after realizing how crazy the left are.

That is such a great story to sell, especially to the people she was selling it to, which is why it has been sold. that way and by the people she now works for,

you know, by the wealthy organizations who employed her to be the public face talking about how the left are crazy, in her case, crazy about race. Look,

this person who used to be on the left, now she's a, now she's a conservative because she recognizes that the left are crazy about race.

She says herself here, she was mostly unaffiliated, and her positions were probably conservative to begin with. Brilliant.
Yeah. Yeah.

And also really great timing on her part to sell this story right as Trump goes on a full attack of the media, right? She's selling this at the exact same time.

And those people on Trump's side, they're looking for any black people that they can show so their ideas don't seem as racist.

If I can get somebody to stand here with me that happens to be a person of color, I suddenly don't, people can't say that I'm racist because I say, well, look, I have a black friend.

Yeah, I have a black friend with me and they're going to use you as a weapon. And it was a perfect time for her to jump into all this when he's sort of stoking the fear about the media.

She immediately jumps right in because she's like, this is a great opportunity for me.

Yeah, which is why within a year or much less than, in fact, she's the director of urban engagement for Turning Point USA because, hey, we're not racist.

our director of urban engagement's black yeah absolutely and as she's talking about

again what we have here you know her just knowing that thing she's got no proof of she just knows that beyonce and jay-z deliberately sold out black people in order to try and run the world and she just knows that zoe quinn definitely harassed herself during gamergate fast forward to today and she puts out an eighth part series about how she just knows that bridgie macron is secretly a man and a blood relative of her husband's there's a lot of things that candace owen seems to just know

Okay, now they're going to talk about Charlie Kirk.

Well, I actually had this debate with Charlie, and I did a panel down in DC, and we were talking about whether, like, you know, the reintroduction of God and teaching him into school.

And I said, like, at some point, there seems to be this struggle. I have this idea that, like, human beings in a certain way, we're doomed to just keep repeating history.

I'm obsessed with Greek mythology.

I'm obsessed with like Egyptian history, hieroglyphics, like anything that, like, where they tell stories, especially Greek mythology, because the lessons are there and we just keep doing it, right?

Greed, lust, like the things that human beings fall for, right? So I had this idea when we were talking because Charlie is an evangelical Christian. I'm not, right? I believe in, I.

This super smart guy is an evangelical Christian. So does he believe like Jesus came back to life? Yes.
Really? Yes. He's an evangelical Christian.

So he believes that someone died and then three years, three days later, they came back to life and that they walked on water.

Yeah, I mean, you have to, I haven't really gotten into a thing because I'm not like, I'm not the person that should ever be like debating or talking about religion it's not my like shtick i guess um but so what i what i said to him because me and him both believe that in many ways the reason that the government has uh the media has started roundly dissing god right like and dissing jesus christ is because the government wants to be god

she doesn't talk about religion that's not her shtick by what she mean by what she means that's not her brief she's there to say racism doesn't exist and that women should accept their place and just know their place that's her shtick That's what she's there to do.

And also, you know, she's not saying that she doesn't want, you know, she's saying,

I don't want to talk about religion is what she's saying. I'm just saying I don't want to talk about religion.
I just think there should be more God in schools. That's her argument here.

Yeah, I don't want to talk about religion. I just want to talk about how we need it, how we absolutely need it.
But I don't want to have to deal with any of those messy, inconsistent

that you bring up. I don't want to do that.
Yeah, I don't want to get mired down in that. All right.
So now she talks about teachers in this next clip.

I don't think they're necessarily doing that, but what they are is uninspired and underpaid, and they're boring. And kids go to their classes and they're bored out of their fucking mind.

They have to get this stupid grade so they can keep going. Me.
Yeah.

I was so bored. I was so those personality type.
Well, you got a lot of energy.

And I'm just like, what am I doing? And I always felt like they were stupid. Like, you know, I'm like, is this teacher even like smarter? Like, can we take a test? Like

a quick IQ test to see if I should even have to take a class from someone who's actually dumber than me.

I remember having those thoughts like in high school, just being like, these teachers aren't even smart sometimes. Like they're...
You're not alone.

I think this says a lot about Candace Owens. She wasn't long out of high school when that inciting incident happened to her.

She was still a senior, in fact, so she had to drop out at the end of high school and be homeschooled for the end of it. So when the thing happened to her, she was still in school.

She thought she was smarter than everyone else then. She still thinks she's smarter than everyone else she meets.
She assumes everybody else around her is stupid.

And I think that makes her, first of of all cynically willing to say what she needs to do to get ahead but it also makes her highly manipulatable by the people around her you know she believed milo and breitbart breitbart she swatted wholesale those stories about zoe quinn harassing herself because she always thinks she's the smartest person in the room and when she isn't which is a lot of the time she's a total open goal for propagandists and that is her career now being that open goal for propagandists joe says this phrase multiple times we're going to play it here, but a conservative wet dream comes up quite a bit during this episode.

So, how did you go full-blown conservative?

You've been to the White House. Yes, I have.
How the fuck have you been to the White House? You're a conservative for two years. I know.
Two years ago. This is why some conservatives hate me.

I'm going to do shit online. I know.
I'm telling you, it's because you're like a conservative wet dream. I know, I know.
Oh my gosh. It fosters a little bit of jealousy, but I'm like, I'm like,

this is, but this is like, I believe in this so much that I wish we could stop that because like i'm like no let's change the paradigm like let's get trump to do the like the joe rogan show as opposed to seeing you know what i mean like there's but people don't see things that the way it's all about me me me the ego comes out you know so but anyways um so i i met charlie that was a huge thing that happened um i was speaking at the david horowitz um freedom time look charlie's 24 you could ask why he's flying around with the first family too but he when you meet him you understand he's just absolutely brilliant um and uh we just wanted to do this together i met him and i said look i think that there needs to be a black revolution against the democratic party i think i i'm the person to lead it like i'm your girl and i was speaking um on a panel with dave rubin um about why i left the left and what i understood about the left and he hired me on the spot and the rest is sort of history you know i mean that's that's really it i worked i work my ass off

Yeah, it's it's just hard work. It's all hard work.
That's how you go from posting YouTube videos to being fated in the White House in less than two years. Just pure hard work and gumption.
Yep.

And saying things that get you the attention of billionaire propagandists and their front men who recognize how useful you can be.

You know, she's there on a panel with Dave La Rubin about why she left the left. She's admitted she wasn't on the left.
She was politically unaffiliated with conservative positions.

That's what she was previously, but she managed to leave a position she was never in. Joe is talking about conservative, calling her a conservative wet dream.

What he means by this is essentially a euphemism for someone who's willing to be tokenistic.

You know, she's willing to be the front of the race doesn't matter talking points coming from the perspective of an African-American.

She's willing to be the front of essentially misogynistic talking points like women who don't have babies go crazy. And she's able to do that by being a woman.

That's why she's a conservative wet dream because she's capable of, she's very willing to put herself in the position of fronting those opinions. Question for you, Marsh.

If she's the conservative wet dream, is Ben Shapiro the dry dream?

I assume so.

Also, note that she mentions about David Horowitz. You know, she was speaking at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
David Horowitz, his son, Ben Horowitz, is the business partner of Mark Andreas.

So we covered him on the Mark Andreas and show. David is the one that Mark says got debanked for his perfectly normal political opinions.

And here he is.

Bankrawling with this kind of stuff.

Yeah, yeah. That's exactly right.
It's so funny to hear her talk like this because the way she's putting this out here is if, you know, she worked really hard.

And it's like, you just repeated their bullet points back to them. And you did it.
You did it because, and they very much recognize that you're part of a marginalized group.

And so that makes their points have more punch when you say them. Yeah.
Like there's no amount of hard work you could put in, Cecil, to follow her trajectory.

Even if you abandon your morals.

Turning point USA do not want you to front the black people should stop complaining about race and women should stop complaining about sexism

talking points. Absolutely.
this is dei that's ridiculous it is

okay uh now she's gonna she's gonna try to spin in game of thrones into this in a very unsuccessful way

so there's youtube high then you have what i call game of conservatives she's like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun like they're all like racing for the throne and i feel like i'm like guys like there's like white walkers at the wall like you know the left is trying to like turn this into communist america can we not compete for like the egos that's like it's so you think you're helping save America.

Like, I genuinely believe that, like, right now is the only time that we have to save this country. I genuinely believe.

Like, we're at the, like, if, I think if Donald Trump did not win the election, we would have lost America. I genuinely

lost it. Like, Hillary, the, the globalist initiative, just this, like, the, like, they were like communists.

Like, it just, to me, I really believe that this is an opportunity to sort of like, we're like the last stand for Western civilization. Look what's going on in Europe.
It's like insane.

And people don't understand that. I'm like, what is going on in in Europe right now is like Europe's done.

Like, did you watch the Pre-Are You video, like, Europe has committed suicide or whatever it was called? No, but I had Douglas Murray on the podcast.

He was trying to explain to me his book, The Strange Death of Europe. Oh, I think he did a Pre-Girview video on that, too.
Maybe. Yeah, it's real.

Like, they've lost Europe, and the last stand for Western civilization is America. And then you have people that are competing for egos.
I'm like, guys, no, like there's white walkers at the point.

But I don't understand how you think that

we're almost losing America and there's a battle for America. I really feel that.
Like, just in every regard, in terms of just

the people that were running, like Hillary Clinton.

Okay.

She is, that fucking Game of Thrones reference is so tiring. Keep trying to go back to it.
And Joe isn't biting on it at all.

And the only white walkers we had in the United States was the ones with tiki torches in Charlottesville. Those were the white walkers.
They had khakis on. Yeah.

If the people at the wall were white, the Trump regime would have no problem letting them in. If the fact that they're not white walkers is the issue.

Yeah.

Also, just notice the other point that she's making out here. Hillary Clinton's the globalist, the communist.
Hillary Clinton is a communist is what she's saying here.

Hillary Clinton is like the most corporate Democrat ever created. Like she's created in the lab by a corporate Democrat.
Yes, yeah, yeah. And she's bitten by a radioactive Bill Clinton, essentially.

But and look at her other sources. Prager Yu is another of her notable sources.
So we've got Shapiro, we've got Charlie Kirk, we've got Cernovich, and now we've got Praga Yu in here.

So these are the soup, this is the soup in which she swims, essentially.

And because she's just repeating the things that come up in those circles, that's why she's saying this thing about Hillary Clinton and this kind of like death of Europe stuff.

And Joe is pushing back even slightly, and she's got nothing behind it. She regresses to, I really feel that.

It's another of those I just know moments where I think in this case, I think this is the stuff that she assumed she wouldn't get called on because when she's sitting down with Ben Shapiro and Charlie Cook and Turning Point USA and she says to Flat This, they all just nod and agree and yes and it.

And this is the conversation they all have, but Joe isn't doing that. And she doesn't, she's not prepared to actually fill in the blanks of fill in the dot, dot, dot profit on any of that.

You hear the language that she uses in this where she's talking about,

you know, we almost lost America and this is this is the moment and, you know America's on the brink and man if we don't fix this we're you know we're gonna lose America this was very similar to the language that Joe was using pre-election and then his relief post-election that we almost lost America this last time around.

So Joe has adopted this language and this point of view, where in this, he seems like, come on, what are you talking about? We're going to lose America. And now he's like, man, we almost lost America.

If they would have shot Trump, that would have been all over. That's it.
We'd have lost America. If they would have won, it would have been over.

We'd have lost America, etc. So

I just see him adopting this language as we move forward. Yeah, it's interesting because we see him changing in exactly that kind of way.
That's a great pickup, but yeah, absolutely.

He does change in exactly that way. And it's a little bit like that boiling frog, except the frog is boiling itself.
Like the frog has got its hand on the

knob on the cooker, and it's the one turning the water up. And it's slowly burning it, like boiling itself anyway.

I'm just going to turn the gas up a little bit more. I think I could stand a little bit more boiling.

Okay, so now they

Joe asks her if she's, you know, what about the White House for her?

Do you have aspirations?

I promise you, I get this question all the time on the road. Cannot, do you want to be in the White House? Do you want to be in the White House?

I would love if Charlie Kirk was a president of the United States, I would have fun being the press secretary. I'd be like, just let them in, let the dogs in.
Like, I would, you know,

it just looks like a fun job because they're so crazy. What the fuck is wrong with?

So yeah, she wants to be the press secretary for the White House. And she's saying this while she's the communications director for Turning Point USA, while Charlie Kirk is kind of the head.

So she still wants to be second in command doing the comms for Charlie Kirk, even when he's in the White House.

She did leave that position of comms director for Turning Point USA less than a year after giving this interview because she appeared in Germany to give a talk where she said, quote, if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine.

The problem is he had dreams outside of Germany. Unquote.
What the f.

It's very much a, you have to hand it to Hitler kind of quote. And that's why she left Turning Point USA.
So yeah, again,

she's willing to say the things that any sin person would look at and say, well, obviously that's ridiculous. I'm not going to say that.

But she doesn't know where that line is because she got famous by crossing that line. Yeah.

Okay, so now the next bit here is about talking about, you know, what her political leanings are.

I'm good no matter what space I'm in, whether like when I was in private equity, I'm always good at my job. When I put my mind to something, I can do something and people will be blown away.

That's always been my character.

And I will do it despite people saying I can't. Like that, to me, my whole to-do list is people telling me I can't.

I don't like when people try to put me in a box. Like, I really don't like the whole idea that because you are this, you can't be this.
Like, it's like, I'm always going to decide what's best for me.

Well, this seems like what led you to be Republican in the first place. Okay, I'm not Republican.
Well, I'm scared. Yeah.
Right-wing. What are you if you're not Republican? I'm independent.

I'm independent, right-wing.

No, I would say.

I would say I lean right. I definitely lean right because that, to me, is just if you believe that people are allowed to have different opinions, you lean right.

Like, literally, that's where we're at right now. Like, it's like you're not even allowed to have a dissenting opinion.
I'm pro-Second Amendment.

Okay, throughout this whole thing, her

evaluation of her own political

position shifts constantly.

And in the beginning and throughout, he's calling her the Republican wet dream, the conservative wet dream throughout. She never corrects him.

In the beginning, he calls her a Republican. She never corrects him.

We get to the end, and I think she probably realized I can't say this to Joe's audience because I can't reach a larger swath that I want to if I say I'm just a conservative, if I say I'm just a Republican.

So I have to say I'm independent. How is she independent? She hasn't made a single independent point throughout the entire piece.
She hasn't said anything that I would consider independent.

It's all far right bullet points. She's just literally reading you what Fox News said three days prior.
So none of it is independent thought. That's like Dave Rubin saying he's a classical liberal.

Sure thing, Dave, I'm a sparkling leftist. Whatever you're talking, I don't even know what you're saying at this point.
Yeah.

None of them could admit to being Republican because that sounds mainstream and establishment. But every single one of their positions, if it isn't mainstream, it's certainly establishment.

It's Republican establishment. The only reason it's not mainstream is because it is more conservative than the mainstream.
It's more extreme than the mainstream in the sense of the average person.

Their positions are the ones they want to mainstream, and they can only do that by pretending they aren't establishment to begin with. Okay, so this next bit is the last bit of tape we have.

This is talking about right-wing talking points.

All right, what What other like right-wing talking points? Is there any that you don't agree with?

Yes.

I don't know if this is still a thing,

but

I fully support gay marriage. Okay, that's a good one.
And the reason is simple.

Regardless, how people feel about gay marriage,

the government has stepped in and is now doing marriage. And the idea that two individuals that are in love should get tax cuts while the other shouldn't is not sensible.

Just because that doesn't make it.

So forget that I personally don't think the government should have gotten involved in marriages in the first place but because they have you you can't sit here and decide that two gay men don't get tax cuts and a man and a woman do that's wrong from a governing perspective I agree with you a hundred percent yeah that's a good one yeah that's a good one because that's one that gets slippery even uh caitlyn jennard isn't in a gay marriage which is fucking hilarious I know that one is like yeah this can't get anywhere I have cousins that are gay like it's even though despite the fact on the internet like I've found I'm anti-LGBT which is insane but um I just think that since the government has stepped up and decided it's going to be in it, if it's the governing body, everyone should have a right to the same tax customer.

Why is the government involved in this? They shouldn't be.

Well, there we go, you see. Even though the internet thinks she's anti-LGBT, she's not.

She is breaking from Republican talking points. That's good.
We found the one issue where maybe she is more independent. She's not the establishment Republicanism.

She's not the old school conservativism. She's absolutely breaking from all of that.
So maybe she is independent. The good thing is she's also someone who is strong-minded.

She's not one to change her tune if it becomes politically expedient. Roll tape.

What do you think about same-sex marriage?

It's a sin. You think it's a sin? So you think I'm...

What's that? You think I'm sinful because I'm married to a man. Yeah.
You do. Yes, you're sinning.
You are in a sinful relationship.

I don't believe, I actually don't believe marriage can be between two men, so I don't.

Okay, so in the intervening years, i guess she got over her objection to those buyers tax cuts she's totally cool with those biased tax cuts now clearly

yeah is you you know that she was gonna she she just waiting for the moment i think this is one of those moments where she's just saying things that are gonna get people in joe's audience to listen to her just like malinu

conceding that Joe was right about the pieces of Robin Williams that he said and saying, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that and appearing to be open-minded about those things made him somebody who the people on Joe's show might say, that's a reasonable person.

And I think that Joe's show clearly at this point, probably more middle of the road than any of the other places she was dipping her foot into, and she recognized that.

And so Joe gave her a wonderful invitation to

tell the audience about all the pieces where she agrees with them so they could follow her on social media. Yeah, I think that's true.

I also think this is a testament to how the Orvinton window has shifted because I think the people at Turning Point USA and the various other kind of

rich backers of those kind of organizations, they've always been against gay marriage.

But in 2018, when this interview is happening, that wasn't part of the cultural conversation because it was kind of accepted mostly in the mainstream of mainstream conversation that they'd lost that argument, that people broadly were on board with gay marriage now.

So they have to move on to these other issues. It is things like, well, there's no such thing as systemic racism.
It's trans people.

You know, that became the other kind of bulwark to try and wedge that back out.

Fast forward a few more years until we're getting in the last couple of years when that later clip was from, and enough ground has been made on issues like fighting back against trans rights, fighting back against abortion rights, that the people behind Candace Owens are quite happy for their other views to become front and center now because things have been swinging back towards this extreme conservatism.

So maybe it's time to readdress the gay marriage thing. And hell, after that, why not also the mixed race marriage question and see where else we can go after that?

Yeah.

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