PMS 2.0 1387 - Buffalo Bills General Manager Brandon Beane, Peter Schrager, Neal Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Arthur Town Wednesday, August 13th, 2025. This program begins now.

Speaker 1 Football is happening in just a matter of weeks. And obviously, we have training camp and drama and contracts being signed to chit-chat about.
And we'll certainly be doing that all day today.

Speaker 1 Peter Schrager will be joining us in a second hour. He obviously has been on every show today.
So we will try to continue that run that he has been on.

Speaker 1 And also, we need some answers from Shrags because not only did yesterday's conversation get cut short while he was at Jets and Giants training camp because of maybe some throttling. Sure.

Speaker 1 Maybe some throttling going on. But he happens to be very close friends with a lot of people that are very close to a lot of the big stories that are happening right now.

Speaker 1 Schrager might be the key to all the information we need as we look ahead just three weeks and one day from now where the NFL season will officially kick off in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, as they celebrate the hell out of of winning that Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 So Shregs will join us.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, the general manager for the Buffalo Bills, Brandon Bean, will join us here in about 14 minutes or so, fresh off of signing James Cook to a $30 million guarantee deal and also spending about $1.0 billion this offseason to retain his own guys.

Speaker 1 Brandon Bean has built a team from within, basically, has spent from within. And now we're getting a chance to see a team go all in in Buffalo.

Speaker 1 Buffalo while also watching Hargonox and learning about their entire team being a bunch of dogs. I really enjoy KJ Hamler.

Speaker 1 Outside Jerry Jrew, Jerry Judy's our favorite player. No doubt.
Talked about that numerous times. Fashion.
He's Moxie. He's everything.
We love Jerry Jrew. This guy, come

Speaker 1 close.

Speaker 1 He's really climbing the ladder quick. He's a star.
Each Hard Knocks episode, KJ Hamler only gets better, by the way. Now, we hope he has a...
That can't happen. What was that? We know what that was.

Speaker 1 Don't show. Don't show.
Don't show. Don't show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Almost giving.
Don't be giving away the gimmick, brother. Don't be giving away the gimmick, brother.
Never.

Speaker 1 But the Hard Knocks, once again, is showcasing people and teams through a manner that makes you think, I like this team. And we have Brandon Bean on.
He's been spending a lot of money.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to chat with him. He's probably very happy that his first ever hold-in that he's ever had as a general manager is over with James Cook, especially the guy who is basically their go-to.

Speaker 1 I mean, he had the most yards, I believe, for Buffalo. Once Joe Brady became the offensive coordinator, all anybody was saying up there was, let

Speaker 1 James

Speaker 1 cook.

Speaker 1 And they did. He's a dog.
Obviously, his older brother, Dalvin, was a dog. And we cannot wait to watch this Buffalo Bills team who's going all in clearly and obviously has dogs across the board.

Speaker 1 They need to win the Super Bowl. That's what people are talking about.
But it's not just about Brandon being the general manager of the Buffalo Bills. Oh, no.
It's not just about Peter Schrager.

Speaker 1 It's not just about Neil Shipley, who'll be joining us. Obviously, incredible golfer.
We're big fans of out of Ohio State. I believe he's on the Corn Ferry tour now.
Can't wait to chat with him.

Speaker 1 We'll be continuing a little golf conversation, trying to get into that. It's not just the Toxic Table at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt.
Con man, great shirt today. Thank you.
You two.

Speaker 1 Good to see the tank back in the saddle on. Yeah, you see that guy, a little tan from the islands, you know, why not?

Speaker 1 Kind of in the best shape I've been in in a long, long time.

Speaker 1 Saw the tank staring at me today and I said, on Author Tone Wednesday?

Speaker 1 Doesn't feel like the right time to come back, especially with this summer becoming a perfect one. The weather outside is delightful.

Speaker 1 Used to be scorching hot everywhere. Now we're in a great spot.
Happy summer. Also, three weeks, one day from the NFL kickoff.
Love your shirt.

Speaker 1 I have a couple bald eagles of America, basically, that live on the property in which I inhabit now. And it is great to see these things take off, fly.

Speaker 1 They are majestic, and they are the weapons of the sky. You know, they are the winners.
And you've heard the story about the crow. Oh, yeah, sure.
Crow.

Speaker 1 Bob Sala told me all about it in the five-minute little thing he did last year. Yeah, what he said.

Speaker 1 He said, well, the bald eagle only really has one bird that has enough gumption to kind of step up to it. It's the crow.
The crow is also a large bird.

Speaker 1 Have a murder of crows on the property as, well, they are a big bird. They're not scared to kind of attack the bald eagle.
The bald eagle though says, that's no problem. That's no problem.

Speaker 1 And bald eagle just starts flying north. You know, and by north, I mean we're climbing altitude.

Speaker 1 And inevitably, the crow is too damn dumb, doesn't even know, even the crow is a very smart bird, has no idea that it's never going to be able to keep up with the eagle.

Speaker 1 The eagle is Michael Phelps underwater, but at altitude, you can't, and the crow inevitably in the eagle soared.

Speaker 1 And that's a great depiction of what we need to do. Amen.
We need to just fly higher than our haters. As those crows are attacking us, we just need to get to an altitude that they will never get to.

Speaker 1 Shout out to America. Shout out to the Bald Eagle.
And also, shout out to America, America, wrapped around Bald Eagle's head there. Yeah, amen.
Yeah, this is one of my favorites for sure.

Speaker 1 And it's just kind of a great uniter, it feels. It is.
You know, football.

Speaker 1 And Eagles and just majestic great things are on the horizon. And authors.
And authors. Got a nine-year-old NFL vet, Darius J.
Butler, sitting in a big-time seat over there.

Speaker 2 It feels majestic over here. Fly Eagles Fly, but I can't wait for Tony to get get out here almost you know i'm excited i'm jumping almost almost

Speaker 1 twice now

Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen joining us live in the thunderdome what an honor

Speaker 1 this man is from plumboro which is in the east hills of pittsburgh pennsylvania true he's a d1 athlete yeah this man went to a school that would have been ivy league if there was more grass around campus true the beautiful duquesne university he's proud to be a duke he loves ball Loves it.

Speaker 1 Super duper Italian. Okay.
His name's not Tony Tony, but it might as well be.

Speaker 1 You know, like

Speaker 1 Tony Tony, Roman Anthony's father. Yeah, Mr.
Tony Tony is certainly something that we have never seen.

Speaker 1 Maybe others have. That's my first Tony Tony, you know? I'll tell you, if it was Michelangelo, Michelangelo, I don't know how much more you get other than Tony Toney.

Speaker 1 This guy, though, Pisan Great, Western Pennsylvania legend, a Mustang through and through.

Speaker 1 And now a two-time, two-time actual author.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, the author of the Need to Know Gambler's Guide for College Football 2025-2026 season, which is available now at store.patmcaveshow.com for a very low price of $9.99, where you will get all the information you will need to be a sophisticated sports gambler going into the season.

Speaker 1 Does that guarantee that you win? Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 But it's a lot of good information. If you're a data person, if you're a stats person, if you want to get quotes from teams or just overall narratives about teams, how about conferences?

Speaker 1 How about some future bets that we should look at? Last year, over 500, whenever we were doing that, maybe this year we continue the trend.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, the author of this particular book, host of Hammer Todd

Speaker 1 from the Pat McVeigh Show program. Ladies and gentlemen, Tanya Joyo.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 What's up, Hemingway? Well, tone?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Got a SIG behind your left ear there.
Yeah, it's an author. Yeah, you are an author, I guess.
An author, yeah. Yeah, you brought out your best cowboy hat, I see.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's big day. Yeah, it is big day.

Speaker 1 All we wanted to really say was:

Speaker 1 Congratulations!

Speaker 1 Tony!

Speaker 1 Tony!

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tony! Tony!

Speaker 1 Tony! Tony!

Speaker 1 Johnny!

Speaker 1 Quick trigger on this one, I apologize.

Speaker 1 He's got some power! Little juice!

Speaker 1 Little juice! You didn't know that was coming, right? No. Yeah.
So obviously that one went right down my throat. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you're

Speaker 1 happy.

Speaker 1 D-Butts almost gave away. His cannon fell off earlier.
That was the big thump that you heard

Speaker 2 one piece of confetti in it by the way.

Speaker 1 Yours, didn't you?

Speaker 2 Straight blue powder.

Speaker 1 It's a boy. It's a boy.
It's a high slight as well. Hey, it is.
Hey, real quick. I mean, I guess it's it.
It is

Speaker 1 blue powder.

Speaker 1 Also. Pink powder.
Yours girl. Congratulations.
You had a boy. I got multi-color.
Thank you. Multicolor as well.
Thank God. I'll get the powder from you.
It was a nice mix in the entirety.

Speaker 1 You wore that boy, though, if we were to celebrate the blue chalk that just went out there. And that went exactly how we would have hoped it was.
That was all wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Zito thought of that about a minute and a half before we went live. He goes, hey, we got confetti cannons in here.
And I said,

Speaker 1 could we have those? And he goes, yes, we can very easily get them. And then as the countdown's happening, Zito is walking in, handing out these guns.
And as the show is at 5, 4, what are we saying?

Speaker 1 Just when I say congratulate, we shoot them right in the face. All right.
And then I think Ty even asked, should I get a little bit of a, or you think

Speaker 1 a straight shot or get a little height on this? Yeah, and I'm happy you guys all kind of went with your gut feeling there. Yeah, well, we wanted to celebrate you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we've had these in the office, I think, for like a year now. So

Speaker 1 this is the right time to do it. How do you feel now that it's been officially published and put out there? All the hay is in the actual barn whenever it comes to this year's gambler's guide.

Speaker 3 It feels awesome. And, you know, it felt awesome to do the Tony Perkis run out.

Speaker 1 You had very high angle. You were doing butt kicks when you were running out.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I tried to do the Tony Perkins.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that was just.

Speaker 4 Now that you say that, it was very well executed.

Speaker 1 You nailed it. It was a little bit of a deep cut.
I don't know if anybody was expecting that. We obviously all thought that was your actual running gate.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I saw Debut judging a little bit. Yeah, it was a little Zainy.
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 That's Tony Perkins.

Speaker 1 So you nailed that the book, though. Let's get it.

Speaker 3 It's awesome. This year, I think it's a lot better

Speaker 3 because I started doing this a lot earlier in the year. Last year, when the first one came out, you know, I was kind of putting that off, hoping that everyone would forget that we were doing it.

Speaker 3 But this year, no, a lot more time spent on it. I feel really good about it.
A lot of information in it. There is a lot of moving parts in college football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because there's new faces, new places, new teams. Also, new squads that have money.
You know, like Texas Tech is entering the conversation in a massive way.

Speaker 1 It's like all these things are, if you didn't pay attention to anything going on the offseason, I think if you were to read this, you would get picked very quickly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, granted, you got to read through it all. It's all sure.

Speaker 3 But like Texas Tech, like using them as an example, like we were seeing like all this spending money stuff on Mike and I'm like, is that real? Is it not?

Speaker 3 And then you go through and you do the research and they got a guy Bailey from Stanford who had like eight and a half sacks last year is an absolute freak.

Speaker 3 They brought in like four offensive linemen who were starters last year at other places and all conference guys. So it's like they spent their money well.
They're returning 11 guys on defense.

Speaker 3 Texas Tech may be a real team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you learn that in gamblers guy. These are things that like early in the season as the books.

Speaker 1 And once again, if you're going to gamble, you should do it with the amount of money that is safe for you to lose. Yes.

Speaker 1 Like, we just want, as people that have been through the gambling entire experience, and what he's putting in there is not a guarantee.

Speaker 1 You put your records from last year in there, like, hey, this is what we did last year. There are losses in there.
We got this wrong.

Speaker 1 So none of this is saying, hey, if you read this, you're going to be a great gambler. There's a chance though.
Yeah?

Speaker 1 There's also none of the folks. Which is always the

Speaker 3 none of it will be my fault. Like last year,

Speaker 1 I liked Shrews. Classic gambling.

Speaker 3 I liked Virginia Tech, okay?

Speaker 1 Because they had a lot of turning. I read this thing and you had me running through a wall for Virginia Tech on game day, didn't you?

Speaker 1 And it didn't count.

Speaker 1 And then they were going to come running out, and they got like, what, 20 returning starters? Bingo. Yeah, I was reading that.
I read the game. I was going to slim it at everyone.

Speaker 3 And, you know, when you look, I went back and I looked at their season last year because that's part of it. I recapped last year a little bit and where things went wrong.

Speaker 3 They had six to one score games that they lost. You know, that could have been completely the other way.
We could have been right on Virginia Tech.

Speaker 1 Um, high gong ball, and they got robbed by Miami. That's

Speaker 1 part of it,

Speaker 3 got beat week one, uh, double overtime to Vandy. We thought Vandy was gonna be good, no one knew Arizona State last year.
We were supposed to finish last in the Big 12, so like things happen.

Speaker 1 Did you see their training camp? Arizona State? That looks so cool. Yeah, I did.
So cool. Kidding me?

Speaker 1 He's talking about what? Didn't he say I want to bring back to Paradise to the Valley or something like that? I forget what it was. The coach.
How old's the coach over there? Oh, I can't get it.

Speaker 1 Mid-30s? Yeah, 35, I think. And he's awesome.
Awesome. And he's from there, I think.
It's like a full-on thing. And they got money.

Speaker 1 They got a little bit of money, which is a big part of the entire story. And speaking of money, only $9.99, you can get an entire breakdown of what college football

Speaker 1 could beat us. Now, we did double the price.
Hey, you have to. I will say.

Speaker 4 Twice as much information.

Speaker 1 Inflation. Terrorist.
Two or four.

Speaker 1 I mean, and yeah, terrorists.

Speaker 1 We could have.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Lucky this thing's on $99.99.
Yeah. There's a chance.

Speaker 1 Now, I do think we are in a stage of life where people would see $4.99 and $9.99 and view them as the same thing, which I don't think is good. You know, back in the day, every dollar used to think.

Speaker 1 So we should get back to that point at this point. But with that being said, $9.99, you're getting at least $11.99 worth of information.
No doubt.

Speaker 1 You're winning by two bucks. At least $11.99.
Don't you think? Yes. Maybe even $14.99 worth of information.
Take the best bet.

Speaker 3 Let's not get crazy. Let's

Speaker 3 see how everything in there goes this year.

Speaker 3 And we'll see how.

Speaker 1 $10 bet on the best bet. You take the best bet for $10.

Speaker 1 $100, $1,000. I mean, I trust Tony with all my money when it comes to gumbling because he's a good gombling.

Speaker 3 But I give out like 30, I think it's like 32 or 33 team total over-unders that I feel good about. And people

Speaker 3 just for that would probably spend 10, like people were out paying for picks all the time. They would spend just $10 for that.
But I did do it right before we ran out.

Speaker 3 You do it, you buy it, $9.99 on the site.

Speaker 3 And then you get an email from store.pac McMaster, patmatifyshow.com, and there's a download link right there that you can download the PDF.

Speaker 1 Much easier than we thought it was going to be.

Speaker 1 To be clear, whenever we went down this voyage, we thought it was going to be terrible. We thought it was going to be very difficult, which all your research is what it is.

Speaker 1 That is very difficult work. You put a lot of time into it.
I appreciate you. You love College Bowl.
And all the info that you put out is great.

Speaker 1 We thought the logistics behind it of downloadable and this whole thing worked out well, though. Shout out to Phil in the store out there.
That's incredible work.

Speaker 1 And also, shout out to Debone putting together all the graphics.

Speaker 3 Dirty did as well.

Speaker 1 Okay, Dirty joined us. Hey, hey, baby, Dirty.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Dirty. We appreciate the hell out of that.
And we're going to give away your picks. I don't think we should do that.
I think we should look at it. Buy it.
A couple of days.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a couple days. It's in the book.
It is in the book. All right, we appreciate you.
Ladies and gentlemen, the author of

Speaker 1 The Need to Know Gamblers Got for the 2025-2026 college football season, A.P. Tone.
Hey, baby, Tone.

Speaker 1 Author of Tony. You guys want to switch? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that feels right. Yeah, go on.

Speaker 1 Go on, get it. Go on, boys.
This is a special seat, though. Yep.

Speaker 1 Next year, third annual. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 Hey, have we ever confetted somebody? No.

Speaker 1 We're proud of you.

Speaker 1 Aren't we?

Speaker 1 Yeah, without a doubt. And it is serious.
Great information in there for gombling.

Speaker 1 Quotes to that kind of backup.

Speaker 1 We're not doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not worth it. We'll just pound them over here.

Speaker 1 That was really efficient, boys. I think we thought that's how long that was going to take.

Speaker 1 Really good work. Geez, Louise.

Speaker 1 You guys still have feet?

Speaker 1 Welcome back home, Debutch. Thanks, man.
Good to see you. An author was sitting in that seat just moments ago.

Speaker 2 Still feeling aura in. He's left his sig here, too.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Whoa, whoa.
Whoa. Oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 Here's a photo from the celebration.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yep.
That's what we're looking for. Yeah.
Boom. That's how you celebrate.

Speaker 1 That's right. You know how you should celebrate, maybe? How's that?

Speaker 4 With an ice-cold Dr.

Speaker 1 Pepper? Maybe. Yeah, definitely.
Definitely. Definitely a Dr.
Pepper. You should have that.
All right, now that we're back, let's do a little football talk before Brandon Bean joins. A shout to Dr.

Speaker 1 Pepper, the official

Speaker 1 soft drink of Fansville. And now the Thunderdome.
Drink. I think it's an official drink of Fansville.
Official drink. Yeah, it's right there on the screen.
Just look at that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's right in front of our face. Shout out to Dr.
Pepper. We love you.
There's 45 of them consumed before the show to celebrate this. We're trying to connect with Mr.

Speaker 1 Bean right now, general manager of the Buffalo Bills. Mr.
Bean, by the way, phenomenal series of things. Big brain on that particular gentleman, just like on Brandon Bean and this entire thing.

Speaker 1 Let's start chit-chatting a little bit about the Pittsburgh Steelers Cam Hayward issue.

Speaker 1 More things things have kind of come to light to our brains about the Cam Hayward situation. So I guess it wasn't like a new contract last year, whenever he re-signed this entire thing.

Speaker 1 It was basically like a salary cap gymnastics restructuring of the contract. So last year, they just kind of reshuffled some money.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, they gave him more money guaranteed at that exact point. So he certainly gave him more money.
Tom Brady started this, I think, back whenever he was with the Patriots, really the first.

Speaker 1 guy to get a front-loaded contract or restructure the contract to get a guaranteed payday so they can kind of separate that amount of money over the remaining years of the contract as opposed to a salary cap hit each year that it is.

Speaker 1 So it's a little salary cap gymnastics. I guess that's what they did for Cam Hayward last year.

Speaker 1 And he has chit-chatted about how when I go all pro, I'll like us to actually do this again in its entirety.

Speaker 1 I'm intrigued by the reaction because in the offseason, Cam Hayward did say to Aaron Rodgers, you either want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Verbatim. So now

Speaker 1 you see

Speaker 1 everybody in Pittsburgh is, not everybody, a portion of Pittsburgh and Jensers are like, hey, Cam, you either want to be a Pittsburgh stealer or not.

Speaker 1 AP Tone, I'll go to you, fresh off author book being released.

Speaker 1 The new information being us finding out about it being a restructure last year as opposed to a new contract. Does that change anything you think in anybody's minds?

Speaker 1 How do you think people are reacting to Cam Hayward, who his entire family beloved in Pittsburgh, very beloved? But this is the type of thing that Jensers do not love.

Speaker 1 I don't think any like blue-collar town loves this type of thing, especially because the numbers that they see whenever they're hearing about what athletes are making.

Speaker 1 And remember, these guys all play in high school, they would die. I'd pay to pay play for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 So, whenever this type of stuff always gets ugly, it does get kind of ugly in these types of towns. What are your thoughts on a Cam Hayward such?

Speaker 3 There's two sides to it. You know, there's the fans who are like, it's Cam.
You know,

Speaker 3 he is one of three guys who's had 30 sacks from the defensive tackle position in the last four years. Quinnen Williams and DeForest Buckner being the other two.

Speaker 3 Quinnen is making $24 million a year, and DeForest is making $23 million a year, which is about at least $9 million more than what Cam is making this year.

Speaker 3 So as far as play on the field, he deserves more money.

Speaker 3 But then there's the other side of the ball, and there are some users in this where they're like, hey, you were at the negotiating table last year, and you put your name on a contract last year, a year ago.

Speaker 3 Now, if it was a handshake deal, which we've been talking about a lot about making all pro and and then they would come back and revisit it a lot of people were saying his agents should have probably put that in the deal so there's two sides to it at the end of the day i think the steelers have the money to get a deal done and i think cam deserves to be paid more just by it i mean especially if he's just pissed off like this is a guy you'd like to just keep at this guy is coach yeah and he is he has been the the the heart and blood of that Steelers defense for a long, long time.

Speaker 3 So yeah, I hope they get it done quickly.

Speaker 1 Well, congrats to all parties over there if they get that deal done. And also congrats to, you know, why not the Indianapolis Colts? We're signed KMA.

Speaker 1 Why not? Tremendy.

Speaker 2 Put him right there quick. No one.
Got big growth.

Speaker 1 Yeah, put him in there too. We'll run a War 5 Don.
Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Three big guys in the middle of the pockets could be a problem for everybody.

Speaker 2 Always room for an all-pro.

Speaker 1 Joining it, legit, all-time all-pro.

Speaker 2 All-pro on the field and off the field. And he can get it.

Speaker 1 And in a locker room. Absolutely.
Baltimore Payton man in the year two years ago. Yeah.
Probably flip one of them for KJ Hamler, too. Love.

Speaker 1 Well, joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has KJ Hamler on his squad. And fresh off a brand new scooter, I think KJ Hamler, not just fast on the field, also off the field.

Speaker 1 He's not the only one on the field for this particular team. Look out for James Cook returning to practice for the Buffalo Bills because he got a deal done.
With who?

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Buffalo Bills, friend of the program.

Speaker 1 Brennan Bean.

Speaker 5 Nobody beats your intros, Pat. Nobody.
I love it.

Speaker 1 You're Oprah right now, brother. You get a car.
You get a car. You get a car.
You get a car. You get a new deal.
$1.26 billion in deals this offseason.

Speaker 1 I want to let you know, thank you for rewarding your guys. In-house guys as well.
How great did it feel to get James Cook's deal done?

Speaker 1 Because I learned on Hard Knocks that he was the first ever hold-in that you've had throughout your stint up there in Buffalo. But not just James Cook this entire offseason.

Speaker 1 How does it feel to get all of this done with your pillars, basically?

Speaker 5 No, it's been good. I mean, our ownership, the Pagulas, are unbelievable, Pat.
They just

Speaker 5 love the motto, the mantra that we have, which is draft, develop, and re-sign our own. And

Speaker 5 you feel like a proud dad when you are able to see these guys be rewarded for their success, not only on the field, obviously that's why we drafted them and tried to help develop them, but just being pillars in the community.

Speaker 5 You were talking about it earlier. This is a blue-collar town, just like Pittsburgh.
And,

Speaker 5 you know, they love their Buffalo Bills. And so it's fun to see these guys be rewarded.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about James Cook just a little bit. Was it, did you guys have an understanding that a deal was always going to get done?

Speaker 1 So like TJ Watt and the Pittsburgh Steelers had a little thing going on, but every insider was like, a deal is going to get done. A deal is going to get done.
James Cook doing the holding.

Speaker 1 Was it always just assumed from your end that a deal with something was going to get worked out? Or like, how did we get to the point where a deal actually gets done?

Speaker 1 Are you constantly working on a deal while he's there? So it's not like completely uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 Like take me to the situation here while the holding was happening and what was happening behind the scenes potentially.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, listen, I would say Jimbo and I had a lot, a lot of dialogue through this process. You know, we tried to get something done in the spring when we were doing the other guys.

Speaker 5 It didn't work. We pushed pause and just said, you know, we'll see if we can circle back later in the summer.
So we started talks again once Camp got started. And, you know, he started practicing.

Speaker 5 Those guys, maybe they didn't feel like it was, you know, where they wanted it to be, which, you know, was unfortunate, but we wanted him to continue practicing.

Speaker 5 And so we kind of pushed pause until we were able to get him back on the practice field yesterday.

Speaker 5 And then once we did that, we, you know, I give Zach Hiller and Kevin Miegank on my staff a lot of credit.

Speaker 5 They worked into the night last night to try and get this thing to the finish line, and we're excited it's here. So to answer your question, no, it was not.

Speaker 5 you know known that this would get done you know i wanted to see james get rewarded but as you see,

Speaker 5 we've doled out a lot of cash this year, and we've got to make a lot of things fit with the cap and

Speaker 5 what those constraints are. And he obviously had to have a deal that he was happy about.
And sometimes

Speaker 5 those can be hard and not fun. But James is such a great kid.
He loves ball. He's competitive.
And even though he wasn't in practice every day,

Speaker 5 he was very attentive in meetings and engaged with his teammates. So I do respect

Speaker 5 that part of it.

Speaker 1 I love to hear that because that means at some point James Cook was told, hey, you could probably make more money if we continue and go somewhere else and do that.

Speaker 1 But with everything that's happening around us, this is a great situation. This is a deal that can happen.

Speaker 1 Anytime that both sides have to give a little bit, you know, you probably didn't want to do it.

Speaker 1 That's whenever a strong deal can take place because it feels like both sides actually committed to each other, right? Doesn't it feel that way?

Speaker 5 Yeah. No, I mean, most good deals, there's a little pain on both sides.
You got to give a little and you kind of, here's some things that we just can't move on.

Speaker 5 Here's some things that they have to have in the deal. And you kind of strike those off.
And then you kind of find those things. All right, you give me this.
I'll give you a little bit of that.

Speaker 5 And we just kind of start checking those off. And that's kind of where we got to by dinner time.
And, you know, it got wrapped up about 11 o'clock last night.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Congratulations to all parties over there.
We're watching Hard Knocks. How do you feel about it? I think you're coming across very cool.
I think you look very cool in that thing.

Speaker 1 Even whenever you're watching film with the owner in last night's scene, I think the way you held the cowboy was pretty good. I think watching the thumb go back and forth, very natural.

Speaker 1 I think you should feel good. How has it been having your life be documented here?

Speaker 5 Do we want, do I need to change anything with the cowboy?

Speaker 1 No. Switch hands? No.
No, I go with it. I think you nailed it.
Yeah, because

Speaker 1 you can tell quickly, I think, whenever somebody has one of those, like me, you put me on one, I'm not going to be the smoothest. Like, I'm not the most film-savvy guy.

Speaker 1 But then you put some dogs on there, you know, you get like Debut on that thing. You get like coaches on that thing.
It's like, oh, this is their controller. This is their video game controller.

Speaker 1 They're playing Guitar Hero on this fucking thing. You know, so it's like, it was nice to see that.
But how has it been to have hard knocks there? I think you guys have come off very likable.

Speaker 1 And I know that's probably your culture, but like, I think everybody kind of has.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, listen, when you first get the call back in May that we're going to be on it, you're like, oh, gosh, like, I don't, you know, how invasive is that going to be?

Speaker 5 You know, our number one goal in training camp is to prepare this team for, you know, a 17-game season and hopefully a ticket to the playoffs that's that's what all 32 are trying and so uh you know you're kind of like oh and then so then you start asking questions so we had some meetings with the hard knocks folks in in early June and you know we laid out our goals of what we're open to and and we listened to them things that have worked asked some questions of other teams just tried to learn as much as we could about it and I give them credit they they listened to some of the things that we felt would be a little invasive a little uncomfortable and but just like a deal with James Cook hey we'll give you a little bit bit of access here if you can just help us protect.

Speaker 5 You know, like, we don't want to be releasing players on film. I just, this is their livelihood.
And I've just never been a fan of that.

Speaker 5 And I just think these guys work so hard to, you know, I don't think any of us want to see I'm getting called in in whatever, you know, work line of work you're in, you're being called in to be relieved of your duties.

Speaker 5 I just, I think that's a line that I'm uncomfortable crossing. So there were some conversations like that, but I give the crew credit.
They've really listened to our staff, and that's what we said.

Speaker 5 Let's work together and let's make this a win-win for both sides.

Speaker 1 The NFL Films people are supremely talented.

Speaker 1 We are big fans of what they got going on. Now, obviously, the access, because they are like the 33rd team, is unprecedented to anybody else, but what they do with it is remarkable.

Speaker 1 And your team looks good, man. I enjoy your team.
KJ Hamler, by the way, we need to find a spot for him in the locker room.

Speaker 1 This guy is hysterical, naturally. Very, very hilarious.
Listening to you guys chat about his football abilities. Also great, obviously.
Go ahead, D. Budge.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love him. Great, great vibes, but sticking in that room.
You obviously have Shakira there. You took care of your paid.
Keon Coleman, who we expect a big jump for this year.

Speaker 2 Where are you right now? How do you feel about the state of that wide receiver room? And yeah, I'll stop there.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, Shakir got his ankle in our scrimmage a couple of weeks ago, so he's going to be out the rest of the preseason, but he's progressing well.

Speaker 5 So hate not having him out there, but uh, we're at least happy to know he should be ready to roll for the regular season. Keon, I think, has had a good camp, as you said, he's ascending talent.

Speaker 5 I see him and Josh, you know, continuing to work on their rapport and get the chemistry, all the various throws that you make to a bigger target like that.

Speaker 5 Um, you know, Elijah Moore, we brought here, Josh Palmer, uh, today at practice. I thought Josh had a really had a really good uh practice.

Speaker 5 He and he and our quarterback connected a lot, um, and we've got some other guys, KJ Hamler, Tyrell, Shavers.

Speaker 5 I mean, you keep naming LaVisca, Chenault.

Speaker 5 I'm leaving guys out.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 5 we've got, well, we've got a lot of guys competing for the last three or four,

Speaker 5 I would say last two spots.

Speaker 5 You know, special teams, DB comes in there as well as far as, you know, if you're not starting, you know, when we're in 11 personnel, your top three, if you're not one of those, you got to, are you returning punts?

Speaker 5 Are you returning kicks? Are you a gunner? Like, we've got to find other roles for you to, you know, so we can have you on the 48.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we need you out there. Okay.
We need you.

Speaker 1 If you're not out there on the punt team, you're not going to be on the team, which is why I used to give speeches to young guys that I thought were great gunners, great special team.

Speaker 1 Hey, you need to learn this defense, okay? All they're saying is you don't know what the hell you're doing.

Speaker 1 You need to learn what the hell you're doing so that we can have you on special teams, buddy. Okay, you're really good at special teams.
They say you suck on defense.

Speaker 1 I need you to get better over here. And also, let's start picking up water water bottles for people.
Looks, we need you.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm like campaigning for people, lobbying for people, because special teams is a lot of ways into the NFL for a lot of guys, and they have no idea that's the case.

Speaker 1 Do you try to explain that to guys? Does McDermott explain it? Does coach explain that to people? How is that message kind of delivered?

Speaker 5 Yeah, we definitely do it.

Speaker 5 And we emphasize it, especially to the young guys in June, you know, the rookies and

Speaker 5 those young players. Like, if you are not a starter, you better find a role on special teams.
And if not, you're going to have a hard time, A, making the team.

Speaker 5 And even if you make the team, you're probably going to be inactive on game days until guys in front of you get injured.

Speaker 5 And there's so many guys that we've pointed to that have made it as a special teamer that later developed as either an offensive player or a defensive player.

Speaker 5 If they had not been that good on special teams, I mean, shoot, I remember you go back to Steve Smith in Carolina. Steve was a third-round pick.

Speaker 5 He returns his very first kickoff for playing Minnesota in 2001. He returns it for a touchdown, and he was a dynamic punt returner, but we were rarely using him on offense the first couple of years.

Speaker 5 It was his third season when he kind of took off as a receiver and started ascending. But who knows if he had never been, you know, an all-pro returner, if he would have gotten the looks at receiver.

Speaker 1 Robert Mathis, I think, started his career as kickoff guy. Terrell Davis.
123 sacks later. Terrell Davis, APD.
Antonio Brown was a nightmare of a returner.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're right. Hey, special teams, beautiful place, baby.
It's an absolutely beautiful place. Let's go to it.

Speaker 5 Well, especially with the kickoff rule this year. Like, the kickoff is going to change.
You know, you're not going to want a lot of touchbacks because it's at the 35.

Speaker 5 So, you know, the kickoff is truly going to be back in the game. I think there's going to be a lot more than previous seasons.

Speaker 5 And that's going to be a major change this year, I think, for special teams.

Speaker 1 Is that good for you or bad for you in Buffalo?

Speaker 5 I think it's fine as long as we do a good job and that we have the right personnel out there because it's, like I said.

Speaker 1 I'm saying weather-wise, you think that's good or bad? I think weather-wise, if everybody's not kicking touchbacks, I think that's good for you guys.

Speaker 1 Because not that Bass doesn't have a big leg, but like, you know, there's going to be 10 inches of snow for, what, four of the games up there?

Speaker 5 Well, the wind becomes more of a factor up here than honestly the snow.

Speaker 1 So damn cool. I played in a blizzard up there.
Last game of the year, my rookie year.

Speaker 1 Needed to have a 44-yard average, needed to have one inside to 20 to hit an escalator for $1 million in my third year. And we get out there.

Speaker 1 All the boys are on the bench because we're already in a playoffs. Remember, Bill Polem decided to rest everybody.
All the vets were pissed. So, yeah, we were, yeah, that game.

Speaker 1 It was a full-on blizzard. And I had, it was the biggest day of my life.
It was literally the biggest day of my life. Like, I got to have a good game up here for a million dollars.

Speaker 1 There's a million dollars on the line right now. That is how I.
A lot of punts. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We had some turnovers too. Thank you, Doug.

Speaker 5 Did you get it? Did you get the million?

Speaker 1 Bean, if you were to just.

Speaker 1 I mean, I assume, though, but this is probably the last place you want to be kicking to get a million bucks agreed uh agreed completely but uh yeah I got there's a there's a million dollars Peyton Manning Dallas Clark having a time of their lives on that sideline that was when Peyton Manning handed out 45 wristbands and said he was game warn every single one put them on yeah walked over handed him to a kid

Speaker 1 that had him on was handed him off you know like there was conversations going on about how much fun everybody was everybody's having a blast everybody's having a good time we're losing this game who cares you know Let's keep it moving.

Speaker 1 And I'm in like the biggest. Yeah, wow.
Oh, please, please. There's a million dollars on this.

Speaker 1 This is the biggest day of my entire life. But once again, the people of Buffalo showed up, which is why I appreciate you guys keeping that shit a little bit open on that new stadium.

Speaker 1 Now, the boys have some questions on personnel. I'm going to ask about the new stadium.
How are we doing? Howard of Bison? Howard of Bison.

Speaker 1 How are we doing?

Speaker 5 We're still growing those bison, so they're still in the lab.

Speaker 5 We're trending well.

Speaker 5 It's going to be awesome, I promise you.

Speaker 1 Every picture or video that we get from the update or whatever, this place is going to be sick.

Speaker 1 I cannot wait to go up there and see a game, brother.

Speaker 5 It's going to be, it's going to be so, I mean, for this city to get this stadium, it's going to be a masterpiece.

Speaker 5 I mean, I've only been in there a couple of times since, but I'm blown away, you know, every time I'm over there.

Speaker 1 The aerial photo of it being right across the street from the older, the stadium you guys are in now is like such a good selling piece for any team that's looking to get a new stadium.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, look at what stadiums used to be and look what they can be now. And it's literally right across the street in the same photo for you guys.

Speaker 1 If we could find that photo, so much bigger. It is just bigger, nice.
I mean, it's just like beautiful. All the technology advancements that you can have since the last time stadiums have been built.

Speaker 1 It's like this is going to be good for the entire city, even though the city is helping. Like, it is going to be good for the entire Buffalo Bills Faithful, Bill's Nate.
I don't know what the

Speaker 1 Bills Mafia. Oh, my God.
Wow. Come on.

Speaker 1 Come on, you okay getting back into it getting back into it

Speaker 1 you see this 10 preseason i've been on the damn islands that's on me i am so sorry bills mafia

Speaker 1 look closer no so i would never ever ever ever want to offend here's the photo that i was referring to yeah it's like this is the selling point here if you're another city trying to get it and pitch it it's like on the far corner there here you see that is what yesterday looked like yeah this is tomorrow Okay, let's just go ahead and try to do that.

Speaker 1 It's just like, I can't wait. Your fans have certainly deserved it.
Okay, let's talk about the team a little bit. You have gone,

Speaker 1 seemingly, okay? I know you probably don't like that. You say we go all in every year, is what every general manager is saying.
We spend all the money we can spend every single year.

Speaker 1 We're going all in every single year. But this is the year, off-season year, where you had to make a lot of massive decisions, and you did.

Speaker 1 There's one that's kind of snuck under the radar in this entire thing. Go ahead, Tone.

Speaker 3 Yeah, to that point, Bean. I think it was like a month ago, there was a viral tweet that was like, holy shit, I forgot Joey Bose is on the bills this year.

Speaker 3 And that's kind of snuck under the radar. How has Joey been, and how do you expect him to be for that defense this year?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's been good to have Joey. You know, he missed some of the spring.
He was dealing with a calf, but he's had a good camp.

Speaker 5 We've tried to, you know, make sure we're ramping him up, but not, you know, not beat him up too bad. And he's done a great job.
He's got a good presence. You can see the rush in there.

Speaker 5 And I'm excited for what he's going to bring to our defense. And we've got some, you know, we drafted some young guys on the D-line.
We signed a couple other guys.

Speaker 5 So it's been fun to just have his presence.

Speaker 5 Obviously, guys respect his game and what he's done. And no, you're right.
It hasn't been talked about a lot. And I know Joey's out to prove.

Speaker 5 He's battled a couple of injuries the last couple seasons, but he's out to prove that

Speaker 5 he still got it and he wants to help do it here in Buffalo. He played

Speaker 5 his college career in Ohio State. And I think he's alluded to a couple of times.

Speaker 5 This feels like

Speaker 5 more like college town, college feel, blue collar, like kind of getting him back. You know, he was obviously in LA for a while, different lifestyle.
So it's been fun to see him kind of re-energize.

Speaker 1 Your camp is cool. Getting a chance to watch it through Hard Knocks is a cool setup.

Speaker 1 It does feel very similar to what Latrobe feels like for Pittsburgh for the Steelers, you know, and the fans embracing training camp and everything like that.

Speaker 1 It is, it's been really cool to watch how you guys do it. And also, you're a team that can go for a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Every team can go for a Super Bowl, of course.

Speaker 2 No, it's not real. D.

Speaker 1 Butz doesn't think every team can go for a Super Bowl. It's only about six.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, if D Buts' case, what he's saying and what I'm saying, you guys are going for Super Bowl, and you're on hard knocks. We're watching it kind of.
It's cool.

Speaker 1 It doesn't happen a lot like that with hard knocks. So it's like we appreciate you guys letting them in there.
Now, one of the stars, obviously, early, has been the MVP. Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Brandon, when I think if you're not a Bills fan and you're watching Hard Knocks, some people would look at Josh Allen.

Speaker 4 And obviously, everyone knows how talented he is, but it's like, oh, this guy's so jovial, so happy, you know, kind of happy-go-lucky almost.

Speaker 4 And then we hear the stories come out how he's voted, you know, the number one shit talker in the league, and he obviously flips a switch and everything.

Speaker 4 But how evident is it, like, with his off-field demeanor and his on-field demeanor?

Speaker 4 Is it like you guys notice on Sundays or Thursdays or Mondays, like, holy shit, this guy actually is a different human being? being when he's inside the lines?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's he's all those things. You nailed it perfectly, Ty.

Speaker 5 He's a jovial dude. He loves to practice.
He loves to compete.

Speaker 5 He is a jokester. Like, you know, you should see some of the celebrations these guys do in practice.
I'm trying not to laugh. I'm trying to be an adult sometimes.

Speaker 1 Well, he also got Phyllis on us with the boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he's, yeah, jokes. We have a good time.
Yeah, yeah, I understand.

Speaker 5 He's full of them. But even like today, for example, when the defense picks a ball off, even if it's not against him, sometimes he's on the sideline.
It happened today.

Speaker 5 And the defender, our rule is the defender, no matter how far you pick it off, you got to take it back the other way. And so one of our linebackers picked one off today in practice.

Speaker 5 It wasn't against Josh. And so as soon as the guy got by him, Josh chases him down, punches the ball out,

Speaker 5 and the whole offense goes crazy.

Speaker 1 So it's like, hold on that ball!

Speaker 5 The guy just made a hell of a play, and now he's getting abused by his teammates because he got the ball punched out. That's Josh, though.

Speaker 5 He loves to do it. I fuss at him for it.
I'm like, dude, if you freaking pull doing that, I'm going to kill you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's like hilarious football guy shit because all anybody's talking about is Josh punching that ball. And it doesn't matter if the whistle's dead.
Nope.

Speaker 1 In training camp, I was trying to punch balls out. I'd be on a sideline with Vinny.
Somebody would catch the ball down the sideline. I'm going immediately for a punch.
It's like the number one rule.

Speaker 1 Like, don't drop. If you have the ball, the ball is the broker.
Do not drop the ball. Even if the whistle's dead, that's like a training camp thing.

Speaker 1 The fact that Josh Allen's chasing people down when he's not on the field to punch it out, he's like a child out there. Got a joy, like a childlike joy for the sport of football.

Speaker 1 But then he's voted, to Ty's point, the biggest shit talker whenever he goes on the field. He looks like a guy who could be president from what I'm watching and how everybody loves him.

Speaker 1 And on the field, he's an absolute dog. It's like you got the guy.
Is that why you had so much belief after year one, maybe? Year two? It's like, hey, it's all in there and he's the right guy.

Speaker 1 There has to be some of that that you're seeing now.

Speaker 5 No doubt.

Speaker 5 He's honestly his personality reminds me a a lot of luke keek league luke was obviously on defense but the quarterback of the defense of carolina and luke like you can try all day to get luke to say a curse word um outside the lines like just he's i mean he's one of those guys i've seen him like pick up a water bar on the sideline and hand it to a trainer that another player dropped it's like dude like i can't believe you're focused on that but he crosses the line and you you've heard him on some of the mic'd up things like he's just he it's like he blacks out or something we used to we used to laugh at and i think josh is a little bit that way He gets in the white lines and he just blacks out and goes into a different mode.

Speaker 1 Who was that? Some guy was maybe the Dolphins. Somebody was talking to him.
And he stopped and looked at the guy's last name. Oh, and then he just kept walking.
It's like so subtle.

Speaker 1 Just buried that guy. Just absolutely murdered him.

Speaker 1 He's so witty. Just so quick.
He's crazy.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I'm scared to, honestly, when he when he comes up to the talk or asks you a question, you literally freeze because you're scared he's setting you up for some, he's going to get you.

Speaker 5 Like, it's, and so I have to sometimes say, Are you serious? Like, are you serious? No, I'm serious, I'm serious.

Speaker 5 And even half those times when he finally gets you in, then he still, you know, pulls some kind of price.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm serious. I'm serious.
He's a part of the thing. Yeah, yeah.
Of course, I have to sell it to LA. Yeah, I have to sell it.
And what he's got 1,500 acres now? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And a big-ass farm in comparison to out there in California or something like that. Yeah.
I mean, you got a cowboy, a farmer, a guy who could be president, obviously married to a Cowboy Award winner.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's like, and then he's voted the, and he's the MVP of the NFL. He's what everybody's looking for, and he's voted the biggest shit talker.
Like, that is my favorite.

Speaker 1 Like, that is, I love that all that can coexist.

Speaker 5 Hey, he won the sportsmanship last year, too, after being the biggest shit. After being voted the biggest shit talker.
I don't know how that comes together, but we'll

Speaker 1 have to. Congrats, dude.
You got a hand, Frank.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about an award you're probably going to win, Executive of the Year, especially if you guys get rolling. Go ahead, Con Man.
Yeah, Bean, it's Push this year. You're looking tan.

Speaker 1 Glad to know that that you are aware that you know it takes more than an offensive line to block out the sun. But when you're looking at what you have done,

Speaker 1 great line from Coach McDermott. Fantastic.

Speaker 1 I'm sure that commercial is going to be amazing. But when you look at the deals you have done, Brandon, the Joshua was early.
A few others were very early. I believe Benford was as well.

Speaker 1 And then now, you know, James is kind of the last to get done. When you look at these deals, how important is it for you kind of getting ahead of what the market is going to turn into?

Speaker 1 And then when it comes to forecasting deals you have to make a guy like Dalton Kincaid going into his third year where you have to kind of decide on the fifth year after this one.

Speaker 1 Are you thinking and trying to project what the tight end market will be to try and figure out what his contract will be? Do you wait and see how the performance is?

Speaker 1 How does that kind of work on your end?

Speaker 5 Yeah, with all players. I mean, like anything, after their third year is the first opportunity you can extend them.
And sometimes you want to see more.

Speaker 5 and sometimes you're like no this this fits and then sometimes you're like yeah i would like to extend them but their markets i just i can't afford what their market is and you know just based on where you are currently in that year and so we made a lot of tough decisions as you guys know last year when pat told me all of our friends

Speaker 5 cut all of his friends um but Part of that was in preparation, you know, getting a year ahead of this, knowing that we had some guys that we thought we would want to extend that were trending in the right direction.

Speaker 5 And so, and again, it takes two. Like these guys, you know, I respect these guys a lot because, of course, as was said earlier, they could have tried to say, hey, I want to play it out and test it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I want to stay here, but I want to see if I can run the meter up and how bad do you want me? And or I can go to the highest bidder. And they've earned that right.
You understand that.

Speaker 5 So it means a lot to me and our organization and the Pagulas

Speaker 5 and Sean McDermott as well that these guys, hey, we love it here. We like how you're treating us.
We like how we're being developed, and we want to stay here and hopefully continue our career.

Speaker 5 Hopefully, we can keep them all in Buffalo as you know, as long as their career lasts. You know, that time will tell on that.

Speaker 5 But you're constantly looking two and three years out to your point on, you know, whether it's franchise tags, fifth-year options, players that you've pushed the, you know, you've kicked the can down the road.

Speaker 5 What do you need to do with them? Do you need to restructure? Do you need to extend? All those conversations we're having. Things can change.
Injuries can happen.

Speaker 5 Guys can get past that you thought you might be extending, and you're like they haven't kind of hit that next level. So, um, they're kind of written in pencil more than pen at this point.

Speaker 1 So fascinating, all of it, especially with what's happening around the league. Do you look at it?

Speaker 1 Obviously, every all the other drama happening around, you've told us yes in the past because you might snoop around now, you can't really at this point with how much money you've spent into the salary cap at this particular situation.

Speaker 1 Maybe you just looked at me and said,

Speaker 1 If there's a right situation, we can

Speaker 1 still do some nut-nosed

Speaker 6 couch cushions right here and see if we can

Speaker 1 get some duct tape, you know, try to find the crumbs down there. Yeah, I understand.

Speaker 1 But you are like, because there's, I think getting a deal done early is what we, from our coverage, from us just having to talk about everybody's drama,

Speaker 1 it feels like getting a deal done a year early is much better than getting a deal done either on time or a year late.

Speaker 1 Just seemingly from the drama in the inevitable, how much, how many millions was it? for for the cowboys they it's like 49 or something

Speaker 1 64 million altogether 64 total yeah exactly 50 million with dak because they did the franchise tag and then extended them and then the next extension was late as well so it got ran up and then 15 million with cee d lynn yeah 14.9 or something yeah

Speaker 1 and now granted these are all just like monday morning quarterbacking obviously in this whole thing and in the moment's vastly different but it does feel like we're in a time where you have to pick who your guys are going to be and almost just tell them with money early.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's becoming a trend around the NFL or do you think the NFL will try to make sure, hey, we pay you when these deals are done?

Speaker 1 How do you think this is all going to be navigated going forward?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, I think like anything, it takes two to get a deal done. And some of these players that maybe,

Speaker 5 you know, and I can't speak for them. I don't know.
You'd have to ask the player or the agent, but maybe some of these players truly just want to see what's out there.

Speaker 5 And yes, they like it there, but they also feel like they can make a lot more and again that's why I say I respect a lot of what our guys did they they didn't want to test the market they were they were happy with with the numbers we were able to get them and I think that's always going to be the case I think you're going to find teams that are able to find guys that enjoy being where they're at they're happy with the money that you're offering them and they're not trying to see if they can get another million two million whatever that is in free agency to pack up and move their family to another city and that's the I think that's the case sometimes you see guys and they don't know, maybe they don't love it there.

Speaker 5 Maybe they don't love their coach. Maybe they don't love their situation.
And then there's just guys that they want to just see. They're like, hey, you know what? I'm six months away.
I'm this close.

Speaker 5 We haven't reached a deal. I just want to play this thing out, which is their right.
I respect that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's interesting, the drama. The NFL is the greatest for us, obviously.
Yeah. Anyways, so shit.
Love it. James Cooks holding in up there.
Has Bean lost his fastball. Uh-oh.
Oh,

Speaker 1 it's it all falling apart up there. You know, that wouldn't even seem to be not very drama-filled.

Speaker 1 You know, that was even like, hey, this is happening, this is happening, and then you guys get a deal done. That's great news.

Speaker 1 But I think it's also all these things that you're talking about for your guys. Not only do you find good guys and develop good guys and everything like that, but also you guys are good.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, D-Bug.

Speaker 2 Yeah, speaking of the drama and narratives kind of outside. Quarterbacks obviously got to deal with it, players in the locker room.

Speaker 2 But as a GM of the Buffalo Bills, who has to kind of get over that hump, it's been the Chiefs, and then obviously you have the Ravens out there.

Speaker 2 But how much do you think about that, I guess, on a day-to-day building your team?

Speaker 2 Like I said, I know how the players are kind of attached to their phones, but how much do you think about that on a day-to-day?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, that's what drives us every day.

Speaker 5 I mean, from once you get over the loss, and they, you know, when you, the further you go in the playoffs, you know, last year we lose in the AFC championship. We've had a couple runs there.

Speaker 5 We've lost to the divisional round. And these games are all coming down to a play here, a couple plays there, a drive, a misfill,

Speaker 5 whatever the case may be.

Speaker 5 It's gut-wrenching. It's crushing.
You got to get over it fast, though, and start planning. And again,

Speaker 5 I think that's

Speaker 5 the fabric of our team and our organization is, yes, we've come up short, but it's just digging a bigger chip on our shoulder. And that's kind of our mantra here.

Speaker 5 And yes, we know we haven't achieved what we need to. We've had consistency and continuity, and we've won,

Speaker 5 I think, five divisions in a row. That's not the ultimate goal.

Speaker 5 We want to hoist that thing, but we're not going to blow it all up we're going to keep swinging the sword we're going to learn from our losses you know i think in life you know i know me i've learned way more from my mistakes or where i came up short uh and i know that's cliche but it's it's the god's honest truth you got to learn from it and we're just going to keep kicking the door and at some point uh we got to find a way to kick the door impati yeah what year was it for jordan

Speaker 1 i forget what it was you know there's some there's so many different examples of the past of good teams good teams teams, good teams becoming immortalized teams, you know, whenever they break the seal.

Speaker 1 Hope you guys are able to do that for the good of everybody in Buffalo, including yourself. We appreciate the hell out of you, man.
Thank you for joining us in the middle of training camp here.

Speaker 5 Appreciate you guys. Always fun to see you guys.
And hopefully we'll see you later this season.

Speaker 1 Hey, that Pagula cookout, barbecue, house gathering, whatever the hell they call it, that looked really nice. Were you there?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he was.

Speaker 5 I was there. You know who else was there? Boyko was there.

Speaker 5 Dog. Your guy.
Snuck in.

Speaker 1 Boyko's absolute dog.

Speaker 1 Does Agula know that Boyko was there? Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 5 No, no, he was in the bushes, but he was there.

Speaker 1 Vince Carter actually was like,

Speaker 1 the hell's going on?

Speaker 1 What's going on?

Speaker 1 You got a weirdo outside. No, he works for the book.

Speaker 1 All right. Shout out to Boyko going to the big wig party.
You deserve it, buddy. All right.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Buffalo Bills, general manager, Brennan Bean.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Golf season's over for him, huh? Oh, yeah. Yeah, unfortunately.
He's got a good tan, though. He had a good golfer.
Yeah, fantastic tan. He's an unbelievable golfer.

Speaker 1 I mean, what was it? 76, right? Yeah, but remember we saw, or was that Orlovsky? That was Orlovsky's. Yeah.
Orlovsky's, we saw a lot of double penciling.

Speaker 1 Writing that scorecard pencil for a reason, it feels like, or because it was on the golf card. He had it up wrong.
Yeah, there was a

Speaker 1 and then a change and then a circle instead of a square. And it's like.

Speaker 1 What do we do? We're not keeping score. Not keeping mully.
Bean's last four holes, remember? I think it was Bean's last four holes were like... Needed it.
par birdie par birdie i think

Speaker 1 yeah he's really good player but to get the bet i forget how much we had to donate uh i forget what it was pretty big 50 yeah i think it was yeah 50 or 100.

Speaker 1 yeah and we weren't there so you know it's always interesting how we just get screenshots of scorecards and they say yep donate 50 grand it's like all right you're right bean's an honorable guy yes he is taking care of all his boys he talked about last year uh last year's offseason which was just uh

Speaker 1 yeah turning their page see yeah they had to get to a new team this is their new team they are now in the era of their new team. You asked about getting over the hump, do they?

Speaker 1 I mean, they got to have all the pieces.

Speaker 2 They got an MVP quarterback, and you got a good team around them. I know if you've been a fan of that organization for a long time, because

Speaker 2 a lot of you guys probably don't remember, but the four years where they lost.

Speaker 2 Boy, I love losing the Super Bowl. You know, as a Dolphins fan who didn't win Super Bowls in my lifetime,

Speaker 2 we would obviously make fun of that. But yeah, they got to get over the hump because being there, being that close, you know, he just kind of ran down.

Speaker 1 We all remember the 13 seconds and then the felt tush push and all these different plays but when you have that quarterback in place and you've got a guy like brandon bean running the show you'll have a chance every year you got to get lucky yes with injuries for sure absolutely lucky every team does that's why can't stress it enough what the new england patriots were able to do for 20 plus years is insane absolutely insane just because all you need is injury to one or two of your pillars one or two important positions and all of a sudden you got a brand new team it's like the detroit lions last year detroit lions somehow still remained the number one team in the NFC.

Speaker 1 Brutal. And we couldn't name two players on the defense at the end of the season because everybody got hurt.
Over 20 guys. All pros.
Yeah, all on the defense. That was like Tennessee that one year.

Speaker 1 When Vrabes led the Bengals, when they lost the Bengals, right, in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was 90 active

Speaker 1 players during that season for them.

Speaker 1 And to your point there about losing to the Bengals, that's what stings for Buffalo is that like the Buffalo, it feels like their circle, like their target is Kansas City.

Speaker 1 And that one year where Kansas City and Buffalo played in the second round in Kansas City won, then, you know, since he goes on to win the AFC Championship, because that, it feels like that game, the Buffalo Casey won every year, is the game.

Speaker 1 The balls to the wall.

Speaker 1 No matter what, that next week, that team's going to be dead, whoever wins. They really do call it the game.
It's like becoming the game.

Speaker 1 Josh

Speaker 2 Patriots and Colts. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Peyton Tom. Peyton had to get over that hunt.
Now, granted, Joe Burrow, though, fans would say, who's the guy that Joe beats him?

Speaker 1 But do they have a defense uh no no not yet do they we don't know if the team has a tanner mckee on it and they're playing against since he since he's in trouble okay i understand what you're saying what happened in the first game of the preseason uh but the cincinnati banquils are going to be an interesting case study on this modern nfl because it feels like what they are doing lighting up on the offensive side, throwing it, everything like that, obviously paying two wide receivers top money, quarterback top money, everything like that.

Speaker 1 That feels like six years ago in the NFL. Okay.
Yeah. Right now, it feels like everybody is gearing up.
Now, that's because the Eagles are champs, but everybody's gearing up. Run game.

Speaker 1 And like, it feels like that is what everybody's kind of going. Low-line, dealing, trenches, and run game.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I feel like the Bengals will be able to score with anybody, but the other teams might be able to just hold the ball.

Speaker 1 They might not have a lot of, because that's like the defense against Patrick Mahomes. How do you beat Patrick Mahomes? Well, you got to keep him off the field.
How do you keep off the field?

Speaker 1 Well, you control the ball and then you play good defense if you can. It's like teams will be able to potentially do that against this Bengals team.
And I think they're just expecting it.

Speaker 1 I think it's like, yeah, we might have to score 50 points to win a game.

Speaker 2 We know. We all watch football, been around the game.
We know that recipe isn't going to work.

Speaker 2 Great offense will not work on any high-level football, especially in the National Football League, even with Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 He's obviously been great on his run, but Spaggs has had that defense plan at a high, high level.

Speaker 2 When the Bengals beat the Chiefs, Lou had a great game plan for him that they went out there and executed. So defense at some point is going to have to get out there and win you the games.

Speaker 2 Joe Burrow just had an MVP caliber year last year, and they were fighting and scratching and clawing to make the playoffs, which they didn't. So, we know that recipe won't work.

Speaker 2 And then, when you're still doing business, how they're doing it with a guy like Trey, who's been a pillar with their defense, leading the league in sacks, you don't even have this guy suited up yet.

Speaker 2 Like, you got to get that stuff sorted out. You have to have a chance and have some playmakers on that defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 2 Joe Burrow is phenomenal, one of the best two-headed monsters at wide receiver, but the recipe in the NFL has never been a win-through wide receivers.

Speaker 2 Look at some of the greatest wide receivers in National Ball League history that went and retired without Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 You got to win the game on the ground, in the trenches, and then your phenomenal quarterbacks are going to have to make some big plays.

Speaker 1 Those plays, your wide receivers are going to have to make plays for you. Absolutely.
Yeah, quarterback wide receivers are going to have to make plays for you, but those are moments. Yes.

Speaker 1 And in those moments, you got to make them. And it feels like the Bengals will always have those moments offensively or it'll be big, but it's like, do in the playoffs, does that matter?

Speaker 1 We'll see, I guess. Well, when they went to the Super Bowl, like, of course, you have to pay Joe, you have to pay Jamar, but they were on rookie deals, so they had money on the defense.

Speaker 1 That's when Jesse Bates was there. He's like almost MVP.
He was all pro. yeah.
He was unbelievable. Like, they had guys money to spend.
And obviously, you have to pay Joe and Jamar.

Speaker 1 That has to happen. But, like, the T.
Higgins one, that's why it didn't really make any sense just because it's like, hey, you do need your number one wide receiver. You need a quarterback.

Speaker 1 You need, yeah, number two. But isn't Burrow almost where Josh Allen is? Where it's like, hey, you would hope that your quarterback is going to make the guy that might not be a number two?

Speaker 1 No, yeah, but they're paying him as a number one. They have two ones, basically.

Speaker 1 And it was very evident that they had two ones when they'd been playing together. And we all assume, business-wise, not going to be able to get everybody done.
They did on the offensive side.

Speaker 1 Do they lose Trey Hendrickson? We shall see. Will they be okay with that? Will it work? No.
No.

Speaker 1 All right. Look at that.

Speaker 4 Look at the weather in the cities they're going to have to go to. Like, you're not going to win a whole lot of 49, 42 games.

Speaker 1 Joe Burrows from Ohio. Well,

Speaker 4 but they can't stop the run and they can't run it. So.

Speaker 1 We'll see. It's a whole new year.
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Speaker 1 Don Cowboys AP Tone. How's it feel on this glorious Author Tone Wednesday, pal? You should feel very proud of yourself, I think.
We think. Oh, yeah.
And we would like to say congratulations. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, but congrats, Tone. Thank you.

Speaker 3 I appreciate that. I do feel proud.

Speaker 1 You jumped a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Not as much because, I mean, the one, you got me right in the face.

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Speaker 3 If you like college football at all,

Speaker 3 if you're doing fantasy college football, if you're doing office pools, if you do gamble, or if you just want to know more about any team or in the power four, I didn't do with a group of five.

Speaker 3 I'd have been about 65 more teams.

Speaker 1 Sorry about that.

Speaker 1 But it's on air. You You say the odds.
Those teams,

Speaker 3 if you think like Power Four Teams rosters change, the group of five rosters, those are just getting our minor league, brother.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is literally what it's becoming. That is exactly what it is.
It is.

Speaker 1 That's why you just got to hope if your team's in one of those, you have a class that'll come in, stay committed, maybe change your entire team, your institution, your university, your entire setting.

Speaker 1 That's what we're hoping for at West Virginia. You know, like in West Virginia, we are hoping, they were in a Big 12.
Obviously, you win, you get in the tournament. It's a great place to be.

Speaker 1 We're in a great conference. But there's a lot of these schools that are going to become, like CJ Donaldson is already at Ohio State.
He's running back out of West Virginia.

Speaker 1 And it's like, we have a hard-nosed coach.

Speaker 1 We're going to have to find a class that's going to come in there, take over, do well, get paid at a West Virginia rate, as opposed to one of these other places.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, our school hopefully becomes a school that starts taking from other places. And that is the reality of the situation.

Speaker 1 Because if you're a great player at a smaller school in Texas, Texas Tech, Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, you name it. The schools that work,

Speaker 1 Texas Tech is like real deal in this thing. And they will be for as long as this is kind of the game.
Any place that has massive donorship is going to be in the game here for a while.

Speaker 1 And it's like learning all that shit in these smaller schools ending up players making millions of dollars. Start out making 10,000 bucks at a place.
Have a great season. Somebody sees you.

Speaker 1 You get in the transfer portal. All right, we have a two-year, $1 million offer or a four-year, $1 million offer.

Speaker 1 It's like lives are changing from those smaller schools, but their smaller schools are going to have to to figure out how to develop where they're always going to be a feeder program.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like what happened with college basketball we saw, where that FAU team that went to the Final Four

Speaker 1 two years ago or three years ago. This year, there was a player from that team that was on every single Final Four team.
Like the Chanticleers, Coastal Carolina.

Speaker 1 Remember when they were on the 16th or 15th team? Like those guys, I bet if you were to go back and look at the players on that team who played, I bet most of them transferred.

Speaker 1 Like that kid, Willie Lampkin, who we, the next AQ Shipley that we said was went to North Carolina, started at coastal, like made a name for himself, got good, did it, did one year at North Carolina, then goes to the league.

Speaker 1 So it's like, hey, for me personally, as a casual, hey, that's a guy who went to North Carolina, ACC.

Speaker 1 But in reality, he's a Coach of Carolina Chanticler, and that's where he made his name for himself. On the Teal Field, bro.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 On the Teal Field, like all those type of schools, it feels like, that used to be those sweet, like, oh, wow, Coach of Carolina is 20th in the country.

Speaker 1 It's like, if that does happen, then you're going to see all those guys from that 20th team, unless it's a Rich Rod situation who come in their first year.

Speaker 1 Nine-year NFL vet, Derek Shea Ball is shaking his head. It's crazy.
Hey, it's Cold World. It's a cold game.

Speaker 2 You know, kids, they got, you just turn into professional. We see them commit now.
They're like professional athletes at that point.

Speaker 2 What was the guy's name yesterday?

Speaker 1 Jake Cruel.

Speaker 2 Jake named, you know, his basically his team of like 10 to 12, 15 people going into college. So, yeah, once you get there and you have that year, he's going to a big-time school.

Speaker 1 So, hopefully, he's already done that.

Speaker 1 He did that power for me.

Speaker 2 I know. So, those are the guys you expect to be, you know, one-helmet guys in college now.
Now, it's kind of going to be those guys going into college. It's crazy.
Who is it with the Rams?

Speaker 2 Lesney was talking about all the guys that he drafted. They started basically on a lower level of college and then transferred up and got drafted.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, it's crazy. It is going to be tough for those schools who aren't in that group of four.

Speaker 1 That's an incredible

Speaker 1 power forward. What is that, psychology or sociology? I I don't know what it would be.
Psychology, I guess. Him saying, we want the guys that

Speaker 1 one star, right? We want the one, two star guys that made a name for themselves because we know they will always have a chip on their shoulder.

Speaker 1 That's some scouting coordinator or some scout walked into the room. I was like, we now have a new opportunity here to get a good read on what a guy's going to be.
If they start at incarnate word,

Speaker 1 And then they have to work their way through the state of Washington and then they end up at Miami. Probably great work ethic.
Probably somebody who is meeting new people.

Speaker 1 Probably somebody that's going to have a chip on his shoulder is probably told he wasn't good enough coming out of high school. Think about these kids.

Speaker 1 Jake Kruel, which we are lucky and honored to be a part of these moments. Anytime that a massive situation happens like that for somebody's life, we're honored to be a part of that.

Speaker 1 You think Cam Ward, anybody cared what hat he put on coming out of high school?

Speaker 1 Nope. Do you think whenever he was looking around at everybody else getting all the glitz and glamour, he didn't think to himself, I'm better than that motherfucker.
I'm better than that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 I'm better than that guy. I'm better than that guy.
So him working his way up, that is an indicator, I think. So them using that whenever it comes to scouting a guy, I think it's good play.

Speaker 1 But once again, we are promoting now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Leaving incarnate, you know, and like going to, not that you wouldn't anyways, but it's like, that is the reality of what it's going to become.

Speaker 1 You just got to hope your team has enough money to keep up. Speaking of, joining us now is a man who

Speaker 1 is part of actually

Speaker 1 the money to keep up. Amen.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a ridder crep winner, and one of the biggest donors to the Ohio State University with his annual Super Duper cruise and his

Speaker 1 carnival, yeah. His Super Duper

Speaker 1 Halloween

Speaker 1 backyard carnival. AJ Hawk, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 AJ Hawk, have you heard everything we're saying here about the college football world and having a feeding teams basically?

Speaker 1 And you just got to hope that if you are a feeding team, that you have enough players in one class in one year that you can go on a real run and maybe change things.

Speaker 6 things or you got to hope that you just get a group of dudes that just want to stick together and build a program that feels like where we're potentially headed right now AJ I think that's definitely where we're headed and think about some of these kids that are coming out of coming out of high school like you're hearing kids getting offered freshman sophomore year like so early Think about those kids that think they're a five-star, that are talented, but they don't get offered by these big-time Division I schools.

Speaker 6 They're going to go somewhere and like, you know, there's somebody, some parent or coach saying, hey, don't worry.

Speaker 6 Hey, you go to, I'm not going to, I don't know, any kind of like, you know, mid-level school.

Speaker 1 Don't say, you have a child. You were about to say, don't you, Ethan? Yeah.
What? I know what.

Speaker 6 I was going to say, I had no schools in mind. I really didn't, but I'm saying, think about it.
Go there. You have one good year.
Work your balls off. Guess what?

Speaker 6 You're going to get called up from the Ohio States, the Penn States, the Florida State, whoever the school is you want to go to, West Virginia, Rich Rod's going to call you up.

Speaker 6 So like, that's part of it now, too, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a good sell. And also, I bet you that some of the coaches on those teams are saying, hey, you're going to play here.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You're going to have an opportunity to do really well for yourself.

Speaker 1 and there's a chance that literally next year you're seeing what guys are signing for that you get that opportunity we just want to provide you with that like there's some schools that'll take advantage of that i assume and they're like you're gonna get playing time immediately here you know i mean if you go back to shador and travis yeah you know you they go into jackson state and they start playing immediately they take over the entire thing then they take the entire show to colorado you know and just kind of do the this they almost had an entire yeah they they got plucked from small school hbcu to a Big 12 school, the entire operation.

Speaker 1 Not only just the players, we want the entire operations. Bring your social media team up here.

Speaker 1 Bring the lights and sound people up here.

Speaker 1 Obviously, all the coaches, anything, they pluck the entire thing up there. So it's like, I guess we have seen some situations like that really work out.
Yeah, see? Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 But then there's also the flip side of it, too.

Speaker 4 Like some of those teams, like a Boston College, who is in a power conference, but like that is the exact reason why Jeff Hafley, who was their head coach, left and went to go coach in in the NFL.

Speaker 4 He's like, we get four guys who have unbelievable seasons, and they don't even think about coming back. It's just like, get me the hell out of here.
I'm not going to the playoff with Boston College.

Speaker 4 I'll go play in the SEC or I'll go play at a better ACC school or whatever. So, like,

Speaker 4 there are both sides to it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we would like everybody, all these kids, to remember that when Rich Rod calls from West Virginia, if you're thinking about transferring and get whatever, that's where you want to be.

Speaker 1 Okay? If you're tough, if you're not tough, we don't want you. Tough, though, we want you.

Speaker 1 I had texts from alumni of west virginia uh voice of certain mountaineers sure uh old whitey williams dustin white williams and he said rich rod needs just market tough we want the toughest dudes that is who we want to be the toughest team in america and i'll tell you i'll be excited to see how it works out with how rich is you know just like coach rule i guess coach rule is the same way coach rule is like we're not doing tick tocks we're not doing the whole thing like it is because other places are going to feast on that whenever they're recruiting like hey have you seen this video?

Speaker 1 You're going to get yelled at. You're going to do this.
So, I think, like, these schools are going to have to find their niche, who they are, but also you're going to have to have money.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's just end of the day, that's just how it is in college ball. Yeah, it's just like even just thinking about the arc now for players, it's more like coaches.

Speaker 1 Like, coaches, you go to the small schools to do well, and then so you can leave the players you recruited to go to a better school to recruit better players, to then leave that school and go to another one.

Speaker 1 And then maybe you either become a Sabin or then you go to the NFL.

Speaker 1 And for a guy like Jeff Hafley, you know, he might have thought, well, all my players are leaving and I'm not going to get an offer to be the head coach of Alabama or Ole Miss because I'm the head coach at BC and my team hasn't gotten better because all my good players leave.

Speaker 1 So instead of doing that, I'll just go to the NFL and then maybe I can go NFL coordinator to NFL head coach instead of head coach of BC to head coach of Bama.

Speaker 1 And now that's what it is for players getting to the NFL. It's kind of awesome.

Speaker 3 Honestly, there's two situations this year where guys went from smaller schools, quarterbacks went from smaller schools to bigger schools, and their OC came with them.

Speaker 3 John Matier and his OC came from Washington State to Oklahoma, and then Devin Dampier and his OC went from New Mexico UNLV to Utah. So it's like

Speaker 3 that's like a feeder line too. Like, oh, this quarterback's right, we're going to bring his OC with him, too.

Speaker 1 So we're going to live on the street.

Speaker 1 He likes, this was like Cliff Kingsbury was allegedly going to go with Caleb to wherever he was going to go because they knew each other from college or whatever.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is a man who might have more information on this. To be honest, I don't don't know his college i assume it's vast because he loves the draft yeah

Speaker 1 his college alumni or

Speaker 1 no his college could do very well i think if they wanted to get into the game from our understanding oh yeah of said university i think there's a lot of money floating around that particular school 100 emmy award winner sideline reporter for monday night football espn pundit friend of the program he was boots uh

Speaker 1 loafers on the ground yesterday at the jets and giants training camp. Ladies and gentlemen,

Speaker 1 yeah, potentially TASA.

Speaker 1 No socks either.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Shrey.

Speaker 1 How you doing, brother?

Speaker 10 I'm doing better. Great Wi-Fi today.
Feeling good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, not only great Wi-Fi today, you've had a great morning. Hey, you have crushed this morning.
And how good does it feel? Back in there in New York, we're mingling.

Speaker 1 We're at Jets Giants training camp. We're down in New York City at the ABC News Studios down there, Freeze.
Now we're in our basement here doing the entire companies.

Speaker 1 It feels like we're all the way back in the football season, Trace.

Speaker 1 Is that how you're feeling?

Speaker 10 It absolutely does. And I'll tell you, just getting one day yesterday, just boots on the ground, seeing the Jets and Giants hit.

Speaker 1 Boots.

Speaker 10 You smell it. It's good.
Like we're back.

Speaker 10 And I know it's a few weeks away, but these inner camp practices that are going on all week, whether it be Philly taking on the Browns, whether it be the Colts and what they're doing with the Packers, whoever is playing right now.

Speaker 10 Of course. I have heard from so many coaches, this is better than the preseason.

Speaker 10 These practices, the ones versus ones in front of the fans, this is the stuff where you're actually hitting and you're encouraging them to.

Speaker 10 And it's a test of strength. Like, I'll tell you, Pat, I get excited.

Speaker 10 It's early, but like... The Jets' strength of their team is the offensive line.
They have all these first-round picks. The Giants' strength of their team is their defensive line.

Speaker 10 They were hitting the last two days.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, let's go.

Speaker 1 We like to see the boys hit each other yeah out there in new york you were giants faithful or jets i don't want to make giants right i grew up a giants fan but i am impartial now my friend i like all 32 teams

Speaker 1 we like oh yeah of course you do yeah shaking hands not a human in there no i can't have any rooting interest in it all uh okay so let's go to the complete opposite side of the country and this is where i want to start with you strictly because i know how close you are to the entire situation we all do uh matthew stafford in this immortal portal

Speaker 1 and then him missing things where they say he's going to be him being in street clothes. And then obviously this lingering as long as it has.

Speaker 1 Once again, we're still three weeks and a day from kickoff on a Thursday night in Philadelphia. There's still a lot of time for a lot of things to happen.

Speaker 1 This seemingly lingering longer than any of us could have imagined, but the messaging is if there was to be a game tomorrow, he would play. What is the situation with Matthew Stafford as you know it?

Speaker 1 And how does Coach McVay feel going into the season about it all?

Speaker 10 He's 37 years old, so there's nothing he's going to learn in this training camp that he hasn't done, right? He's going to do it. There's not going to risk an injury with him in training camp.

Speaker 10 That said, two weeks ago, I said I had zero concern about any of this. Last week, I said F one to 10, I'd say one.

Speaker 10 We're now three weeks and four days from opening day, and they play a good Texans team opening day with a good front seven. Like, I'd like to see him throw.

Speaker 10 You know, there was an expectation that he was going to play Monday. Obviously, he doesn't.

Speaker 10 The thing I'm hearing is this. They're being ultra, ultra, ultra cautious.
And that Matthew, if it was up to him, would probably be out there. But they are not risking anything.
He's had some pain.

Speaker 10 They're just going to let him sit until he feels he's fully ready, until they feel he's fully ready. Best doctors in the world out there with that team, best trainer in Reggie Scott.

Speaker 10 But the question is, does he eventually get some reps in practice before week one?

Speaker 10 Because as great as we might think on paper it all is, and as amazing as he was in the June and May months, we'd like to see it in August just for our comfort from the outside looking in.

Speaker 10 I don't get the sense that they're concerned about week one.

Speaker 10 I do get the sense that they were happy with how the offense looked with Jimmy Garoppolo if, just in case they had to go that way, everyone I spoke to

Speaker 10 who was there, they sliced and diced up that Dallas defense, and Jimmy was at quarterback during the inner camp scrimmages. So it's going to be an interesting one, but they're not panicking yet.

Speaker 10 Sean's not panicking. Front office isn't panicking.
And from what we know of Stafford,

Speaker 10 he is one of these guys that if he wanted to get out there, we know he could tough it out. But that's not the answer you want to hear over an 18-week season with a bad back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Stofford with OUGH in the middle there. We know how tough he is in its entirety.
He has been. He and I and D-Butts actually drafted in the same class.
This is my life.

Speaker 1 He's still doing the football. Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 6 Shreigs, is there a possibility that Stafford Stafford wants to get out and he feels like he can practice and the Rams are just being very protective of him?

Speaker 6 They're trying to look out for his longevity. I know that's the thing.
People think, how's this guy supposed to play at, you know, 18, 20 games, hopefully, this year?

Speaker 10 Yeah, look, he hasn't set it outwards and the Rams haven't told me that.

Speaker 10 But the fact that he was throwing on Saturday and had a session where he threw the ball 60 times, I just knowing Matthew, I think he would play if it was up to him.

Speaker 10 And he's being ultra cautious, but I'm sure that the trainers and the medical staff are the ones advising him here that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's be ultra, ultra sure.

Speaker 10 Gets a little tricky on who wants to do what and who says what. But if it was week one tomorrow, I don't care what's going on.
Matthew Stafford would have been out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 Matthew Stafford is special. We're watching these highlights.
The one where he's looking directly at the camera. And then he's unbelievable.
He gets Eagles. Eagles, yeah.
And he throws slant inside.

Speaker 1 Touchdown. This is in deep play.
It wasn't the championship. That was the divisional round.
Divisional rounds. Yeah, that's playoff game.
Very important. Just no-look saucing at that point.

Speaker 1 It's like, he is so talented. Such a good one.

Speaker 10 Did we forget, like, they did the top 10 list. Jeremy Fowler put out the top 10 quarterbacks.
And a lot of people were like, Stafford's above Hurts. And I'm like,

Speaker 10 you could have your Hurts argument. Stafford is amazing.
Let's not forget what Stafford did last year. And if they're all healthy this year, we're going to be able to do that.

Speaker 10 We don't need to do this, Trent.

Speaker 1 You're hosting in first take.

Speaker 1 You're hosting.

Speaker 1 You're already doing it. You're already starting to just pin one against the other.
Okay, obviously, different situations.

Speaker 1 With that being said, here's what Peyton Manning had to say about Jalen Hurts when he was talking to Chris Collinsworth. He's on the PFF Plus pod, I do believe.

Speaker 1 And what Peyton has to say about Jalen at this exact moment is very, very fascinating, especially because of the whole, there's two camps, it feels like, on Jalen, which there probably always will be.

Speaker 1 Here's Peyton's thoughts on it.

Speaker 11 I mean, it tells you all about his mental toughness, right? Because that's the kind of situation where it's embarrassing and you just don't sort of recover from it mentally or emotionally.

Speaker 11 So it tells you how mentally tough he is.

Speaker 11 And they said, you know, he was the first guy to high five to a in the locker room and you know was as celebratory after that win as you know all the players that were you know involved in the game.

Speaker 11 And you're right. I mean he's played so well in both those Super Bowls.
But I like the way he goes about it. He calls me a lot.
I'm just and asks me lots of questions.

Speaker 11 They actually run a lot of plays that we used to run, Siriani to Frank Wright to Tom Moore, sort of that chain. And he calls me with very specific questions about certain plays.

Speaker 11 So he's a student of the game. You know, as another example, you think, I mean, he squats 600 pounds.
He can, you know, run over guys. He can throw in a mile.

Speaker 11 But his appreciation of the cerebral part of the game is what's impressive to me and how he's taking his game to the next level. And I think the sky's the limit for this guy.

Speaker 1 I love to hear that.

Speaker 1 And obviously, I think Peyton probably enjoys the hell out of current quarterbacks calling and asking for help because he gets to nerd out at a level that only a few can really understand.

Speaker 1 I heard you le, I think, say, he was the Super Bowl MVP, won the Super Bowl. He's not being disrespected or something like that.
It's not about what he wins on the field.

Speaker 1 It's about how everybody talks about him, Shrikes. That's what we're doing in there.
Do you feel that Jalen Hurts is always just going to be scrutinized?

Speaker 1 Just like Sirianni seemingly, always going to be scrutinized. Do you think that's just how it's going to be?

Speaker 1 And that's kind of what life is going to be like for him, even though some others might not experience the same?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's unfortunate for him that he's surrounded by so much talent and people look to that offensive line as the best in the league.

Speaker 10 They look at those two wide receivers as two of the best in the league and they look at Saquon Barkley as the best running back in the league.

Speaker 10 So you take a look at this team and he's the one who gets kind of notched below because 2,900 passing yards, he's not going to win you a fantasy championship. Yet I look at it.
Biggest games.

Speaker 10 Here's the guy out playing Mahomes in two different Super Bowls. Here's a guy winning Super Bowl MVP.
Makes every big throw.

Speaker 10 He's had six different offensive coordinators the last six times he's taken the field for an NFL or college football team. So I think it's fair for both sides.

Speaker 10 I think you're allowed to say, hey, look, this guy might not be the first overall pick if I'm redrafting the NFL right now.

Speaker 10 And he might not be a top five quarterback if I'm redrafting my quarterbacks.

Speaker 10 But you could also say he has done everything you possibly could ask for and that he is the perfect quarterback for that city. for that team and for that coach.
And you nailed it with Siriani.

Speaker 10 I think if you polled all 32 NFL head coaches, hey, who are the coaches you respect the most in the league? Or who's the coach that you think is top in the game?

Speaker 10 I don't think they respect Sirianni either. I don't think he's viewed as a top 10 coach, despite all the success.
I think they also hold the same stuff against him, but he's perfect for Philly.

Speaker 10 He's perfect for that locker room, and he is perfect for that quarterback.

Speaker 1 That's so fascinating to hear about Siriani and his peers because you would think that they would appreciate somebody who acts like himself and has great success. But he probably tells them, hey,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of that out of Siriani.

Speaker 1 I bet he loves that.

Speaker 1 The other coaches don't like, who cares? Okay, I'll just go beat their ass on Sunday, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah, but you're a doofus.

Speaker 10 They could say that, right? I think Jeremy Fowler did quarterbacks, wide receivers.

Speaker 10 I would love to do an anonymous poll

Speaker 10 at the owners' meetings. 32 head coaches.
Vote on your peers. You should.
One to 32. Because we could do it in media and we could give Kyle Shanahan and McVay and all these guys their flowers.

Speaker 10 This guy, Siriani, every year is in the playoffs, and the last two out of the three is finding himself in the big game. So I respect the hell out of him.

Speaker 10 I don't know if he gets the same respect amongst his peers that maybe

Speaker 10 he deserves.

Speaker 1 The whole media is calling for his job after wins.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is the whole thing.

Speaker 2 Straight knows a lot more head coaches than I do, but I think his peers respect him because they know what it takes, regardless of what type of talent you have, what type of players you have, where to get a group of guys to buy in, especially talk about those wide receivers.

Speaker 2 they ran the ball more than they threw the ball. So those guys got to buy it more than anybody else.

Speaker 2 Howie does a great job running that team as well. So being on the same page with him.
And then the six, the different coordinators on both sides of the ball that he's had to deal with and manage.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm sure his peers have a high respect for that. Media, maybe not so much because day one, we remember his first, you can't ever change that.

Speaker 1 Unless they came more after the takeover

Speaker 1 Piers even too, though, with how many like older coaches have gotten back in, he still might not be top 10.

Speaker 1 Like some people might just, and granted, I mean, I'd be curious, I'm one of those people, but like Pete Carroll, you know, he hasn't been in for a while, but Pete Carroll's back in football on the island.

Speaker 1 They see his name on a list. Exactly.
I'm assuming people are putting Pete Carroll over there.

Speaker 2 Went and worked for him. And then he.

Speaker 10 Look, you go through Mike Vrabel's a new coach. Everyone's going to say, well, Vrabel's one of those guys.
You're going to put Sean Payton. He's one of those guys.

Speaker 1 Pete Carroll.

Speaker 10 Well, he's one of those guys. Andy.
You go down the list. Soon you're at three, four, five, six.

Speaker 1 Andy Reid is definitely one of those guys.

Speaker 10 Like,

Speaker 10 this is the way we talk about about.

Speaker 1 So they're not going to do the actual vote.

Speaker 1 That's what we're saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It'll never, it'll never. That's a fascinating thing.
Anonymous. I would like my coach to

Speaker 1 I would like my coach. Who?

Speaker 2 No, I will never say.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. I like that.
That's part of the, that's good. Anonymous.

Speaker 1 But I would like my coach to abstain from doing anything anonymous. I would like the coach to say, nah, everything I do, I want my name on it.

Speaker 1 I would like to, I was approached to do an anonymous vote in the locker room one time. And I said, nah, I'd rather just put my name on it.
And then they told me what it was.

Speaker 1 I was like, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 What was it for? It was a vote on something. You know,

Speaker 1 anonymous players were polled on something. You know, it was

Speaker 1 like, how could this poll actually give proper context to what this situation is? You know, just so many things I hated about it. Like, let alone the anonymity about it.
I don't like that at all.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't like, now, granted, I know there's safeness and like

Speaker 1 safety and wellness for whistleblowers. Okay, so I'm different.
I understand in the real world.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I understand in the real world we need anonymity for things, but in sports, I really hate it.

Speaker 1 I really, I don't like now, I know it has to happen too, and I know agents are doing things and there's always work and there's leverage and, you know, there's everything like that.

Speaker 1 I hate the anonymity. I know you love you're an Emmy Award-winning journalist.

Speaker 10 I don't do it either. Hey, I don't do the, and I'll tell you what, I came out on,

Speaker 10 I came out of the gates, ESPN, shot out of a canon draft time, and I was like, I don't, I don't have a team that has Shador Sanders as one of their top guys, and I got crushed for it.

Speaker 10 Everyone's like, oh, you're killing the kid. You're going to be wrong.
And that's what I'll say.

Speaker 10 I'll just tell you what I'm hearing from teams, but I'm not going to be one who's going to say, hey, anonymous source tells me this about this locker room or not, unless I feel like it's someone that's worth a damn.

Speaker 10 I'm not taking it from the equipment assistant to the regional manager, whatever it is. Like, it has to be on good stuff for me to go on good.

Speaker 1 Those are the ones actually.

Speaker 1 That's what you have to figure out the poll.

Speaker 1 The best poll we have now yearly with the NFL is the report cards because we know it's coming from

Speaker 1 the players and the people in the building.

Speaker 1 And it's not

Speaker 1 who's doing this. And once again, congrats to the Arizona Cardinals.
Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Cardinals went from F minus on everything to at least couple C's and B's. Right.
Bitwell.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Bidwell.

Speaker 1 Our God.

Speaker 1 We love that out of that. Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's talk about some football stuff, shall we? Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Shraigs, do we have any kind of update on Terry McLaurin? We saw a picture from Commander's Camp that him and Adam Peters were talking to each other. He looked pretty bummed out.

Speaker 4 You know, obviously a tough situation just standing there. But like, what's going on here? I think everyone kind of assumed that this was going to get done at some point.

Speaker 4 And now, you know, we're three weeks and a day from the season starting and nothing's happening. Like, what's going on? They obviously need him if they want to replicate what they did last year.

Speaker 10 They need him, but at what cost? I think it's a fascinating, fascinating one here because you can go in on Micah and Trey Hendrickson and you can talk about the numbers and APY and all this.

Speaker 10 Terry McLaurin is a fascinating case. And I talked about this weeks ago with you guys.
It hasn't changed in that he wants a certain number.

Speaker 10 And I don't know the exact number, but it's a certain number of a certain caliber of wide receiver.

Speaker 10 And it's in that range of guys where he and his agent believe he belongs and has put the time in and has earned it and is more than just a player. He's the locker room.
He's the face. He's everything.

Speaker 10 And I think the Washington side of it is, let's be realistic here. He's this years old.
What's he going to be ascending to? Are we paying him on past performance?

Speaker 10 Adam Peters was with the Niners when they went through some brutal negotiations, and they usually found a way before the season started. They usually got things done.

Speaker 10 I think Adam Peters will find a way to get it done with his agent, Buddy Baker, who's an Indianapolis-based guy

Speaker 10 for many years. And of course, Terry is an Indianapolis-based guy.
But right now, it seems like they're a bit apart, and the guaranteed money might be the aspect, or it might just be APY.

Speaker 10 Whatever it is, they're not willing to just say, you know what, the last three years we stunk and you were the nicest guy and you were the best guy and you wore the C.

Speaker 10 We're going to reward you and then pay you on future. They want to pay him for what they think that they think they're going to get in the future on that contract.

Speaker 10 And I don't know if they necessarily look at him as a Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson type player.

Speaker 1 Okay, so on that note,

Speaker 1 you think Terry was a Colts fan growing up? Without a Colts? Yes. Man, it'd be great for him to come save the team.

Speaker 1 It would be nice. How great would Terry McLaurin be in the Indianapolis Colts locker room on that offensive side of the ball, legitimately, let alone playing ability, which is unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Maybe not Malik Neighbors, which I think Malik Neighbors is going to be great. Obviously, saw highlights.
You told us with a straight face that Malik Neighbors ranked higher. I think you're there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Bet you there.
Non-biased, non-biased.

Speaker 10 This isn't the New Yorker in me. I think Malik Neighbors is viewed as a top tier, going to be one of those guys.

Speaker 1 And Terry is. Terry already has been.
Yeah, Terry, like, nonetheless. So you, media maybe views Terry a little bit differently.
Media. Yeah, media, whole, as a whole, as a whole.

Speaker 1 You representing him all. That's how we're going to treat you going forward.
Here's Terry McLaurin as a child. Wait a second, the plot thing.
Holy shit. Now,

Speaker 1 I would like to let the Washington commanders know, okay, that I am just going to speak for one city.

Speaker 4 I think he can speak for about 10. I was going to add kill for the Packers to have it.

Speaker 1 But I'm just adding in the fact that the Indianapolis Colts thing, like the narrative could easily be like, hey, brother, we need your leadership in this locker room. We need you in the weight room.

Speaker 1 We need you. We need you.
And that is how Terry is viewed, I think, by everybody, right? Like, hey, this guy is the locker room guy, the guy you want, leader, dog, and also will show up and compete.

Speaker 1 Like, he's, which is why I ask you this, Shrek's. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is letting him sit out there with a hoodie on, looking like an asshole, a part of the leverage from the team? I do wonder what that, like the hold-ins, making guys go stand out.

Speaker 1 in front of their teammates, in front of the fans, like media is obviously taking photos of them and just kind of doing it.

Speaker 1 I think that goes against a lot of what these guys are naturally, especially Terry. Like, I think Terry does not want to be abstraction.
I think Terry wants to be with his team.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I wonder if that is utilized as a point of leverage. Like, at some point, he'll get sick of having to go out there and just stick out like a sore thumb, which I assume he does.

Speaker 1 How much is that chatted about, Shregs? Because that is something that never really gets talked about.

Speaker 1 I bet you Terry hates it, just like Trey Hendrickson. Like, they hate that this is a part of the entire game, I would assume.

Speaker 10 They hate being fined even more. And if they're not there, they get fined real money.
And those fees cannot be forgiven. Like, those are, they used to be, all right, hold out.

Speaker 10 And then when you come into camp, we'll pay it all back. Like, that's the new CBA.
Like, that's it. You missed a day of practice.
You are being fined and you are going to pay for that.

Speaker 10 So he has to be there. So, of course, the team carries the weight.
Everyone in the stands is watching him sit there with a hoodie on. And they're like, well, he's just signed a contract two years ago.

Speaker 10 Why is he not out there? He makes $25 million. Is that not? The narrative starts to turn.

Speaker 5 Every single bucket is not out there.

Speaker 10 That said, he's standing on business. And that's what the kids are.

Speaker 1 That's so busy.

Speaker 1 That is literally what he's standing on right there.

Speaker 1 If you were to look at that particular picture right there. But yeah, I assume that

Speaker 1 I completely changed the way I view Jonathan Taylor with the way the entire thing went. And I assume Jonathan Taylor didn't love it at all, but we just had number four overall pick.

Speaker 1 You were one of the, our team's not good, brother. You get paid a lot of money.
And now you're with a new quarterback, new coach, new regime, new everything.

Speaker 10 Needs you out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're the best player.

Speaker 2 How to stand up business.

Speaker 1 That's what he did. And he got rewarded for it.
So that sets a press. That sets a pressure

Speaker 1 for the rest of the team.

Speaker 2 His deal is looking good. Aging well.
Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 didn't Terry request a trade? I don't like him.

Speaker 1 Where are they at with that?

Speaker 10 I don't know about all that.

Speaker 1 I thought I saw that.

Speaker 1 Are you making things up right now? No,

Speaker 1 I thought he requested a trade. I thought I saw that.

Speaker 1 We're getting word from the back. He did request a trick.
Whoa, did he?

Speaker 10 I don't know that. Look, I know Micah Parsons did, you know, wrote the biblical scrolls, the Ten Commandments, and actually came out quite publicly.

Speaker 1 He did all that.

Speaker 10 I don't know if Terry's going to be as vocal about that. If he did make a trade request, it was behind closed doors via his agent, and it wasn't as public as what's going on between Jerry and Micah.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, just Chris Boward, why don't you go ahead and

Speaker 1 kick the tires? Why don't we go ahead and

Speaker 1 snoop around a little Adam Schefter? July 31st, Terry McLaurin requested a trade as Schultz report also reported. Schultz got that one first, it sounds like.

Speaker 1 So had to pay a little bit of rates.

Speaker 10 I saw Schultze yesterday. He was at Jets Giants.

Speaker 1 No, shit. Yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you were to tell me or ask me who is one person you think that is definitely at Jets Giants training camp?

Speaker 1 Gun to the head. This is it.
You get it wrong, you're dead.

Speaker 10 Can't say that about everyone. I saw Schultze.

Speaker 1 He was there. Good.
He's on the basis of it. Of course.

Speaker 10 Boots on the ground.

Speaker 1 Of course he is. That's what Schultz does.
But also.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Shaking hands.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Kissing babies.
Thanks for having me back, guys. The amount of friends and family friends that are roaming around down there that he is known as.

Speaker 1 Boots on the ground, Schultze. I think he's doing his own independent thing, too, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he had to get in that door by himself. Good for him, man.
Well, he's in the fine store. Yeah, eventually.
I don't think he kicked that thing down.

Speaker 1 I think he maybe made a call or two and they, you know, rolled the red carpet out. We've got it done.

Speaker 1 Still there.

Speaker 1 Still there. Still there, which we love.
That's what we love about it. Let's do a little inside information stuff.

Speaker 1 What's going on? In the state of cheese, go ahead, AP Tone.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Strike's. We're talking about teams that could use wide receivers potentially.
The Green Bay Packers' wide receiver room is currently a walking morgue. It feels like.

Speaker 3 It feels like they have a wide receiver dropping every single day.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 what? What?

Speaker 3 What was that? No, go ahead. Also, their quarterback is having surgery on his left hand, the non-throwing hand.
What do we think the panic level right now is in Green Bay?

Speaker 10 Look, I will say this. A lot of people are like, oh, it's his non-throwing hand.

Speaker 10 It's not great. It's not fatal.
It's not something that's like, oh, they're not going to go to the Super Bowl. But like...

Speaker 10 To not have Jordan Love in practice because of a non-throwing hand or to not have him being his full house. Like, that's not great to have that

Speaker 1 August.

Speaker 1 Last year,

Speaker 10 Last year, they go week one. He gets hurt on that surface down there in Brazil.

Speaker 1 Comes back.

Speaker 10 And you could argue the entire season. He came back very soon, got back on the field quicker than a lot of people anticipated, played through injury, got them to where they were.

Speaker 10 And maybe the whole season wasn't the same way as it should have been if he was just healthy week one. You don't want to always have, yeah, but with the quarterback.

Speaker 10 Now, this was an avoidable thing, whatever it is. The wide receiver's room sounds like injuries here, issue here, you know, whatever you got over there.

Speaker 10 It still doesn't feel like, all right, go Packers, whereas you wanted to come into this season humming on all things. Look, the response from Golden so far has been unbelievable.

Speaker 10 Jordan Love has talked glowingly of him. This is the first time they've got this guy.
Is he a blue chipper? I think we're putting him on that mantle right now. We're putting him in that spot.

Speaker 10 I think we've got to see it before we say, oh, the Packers are this much better on offenses here because they got Matthew Golden. We'll see.

Speaker 4 No, yeah, I mean, I agree on all points. I mean, the thing I won't panic about, Josh Jacobs is going to get 400 carries this year.

Speaker 1 That's your guy.

Speaker 4 And he didn't play in their old lines very good. So as long as Josh Jacobs doesn't, you know, break his foot, break his leg or something like that.

Speaker 4 But yeah, that's why the Terry McLaurin thing, because they always talk about, hey, you got this great group of young receivers.

Speaker 4 It's like, well, maybe, just maybe, they need a good veteran in there to kind of coach these guys up and tell them what needs to happen to be a good receiver in this league.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know a lot on strikes. It might not matter with what's going on in Green Bay or Minnesota or Chicago.
Have you heard? Yeah. Motor City Dan Campbell's conversation with Brad

Speaker 1 Galley, I believe. Galley, not Brad Holmes, legends.
Brad Smith. Brad Galley, local media in Detroit.
Listen to this. They got two new coordinators.
They got a lot of change. They got a lot of...

Speaker 1 MCDC still exists.

Speaker 12 Is there a bit of an edge to you at all this year with so much written about the coordinators leaving?

Speaker 12 An edge to you maybe to prove to everybody that you're still the head coach of this team, that you're still at the helm of this for five years and that there shouldn't be concern?

Speaker 1 Well, I think, man,

Speaker 13 it's not hard for me to find things that can drive you. I mean, I feel like that's the world we're in.
That's how I was as a player. That's how I am as a coach.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 13 I'll pull anything negative because it motivates me. So I would be lying if I said, no, that doesn't, you know, that doesn't get me going a little bit.
You know, that's the next challenge.

Speaker 13 So, yeah, I'm excited about it.

Speaker 1 Ben's great.

Speaker 13 Aaron's great. No doubt.

Speaker 12 But is there part of you that says, I've been here the whole time steering this ship as well?

Speaker 13 Well, I think the important thing is, and what I wanted to start this thing off with, and us and the group of people we're with, is, man, it takes a village.

Speaker 13 And if you want your team to play like a team, then we have to function like a team as coaches, as GM, head coach, ownership, management. And I think that's important.
So what we do, we do as a team.

Speaker 13 And I've said this before, man, if I really did this right, I should be able to just leave and these guys don't miss a beat.

Speaker 1 Incredible answer there by MCDC and a culture he is built or trying to build. We shall see how this year goes.
Nobody really talking about the Detroit Lions Shregs. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 10 I think there are a lot of, lot of interested parties on how those new coordinators do perform.

Speaker 10 And I think it really goes to John Morton, who's in the guy who's been coaching the league for 30 years and was maybe a surprise pick to be the new offensive coordinator.

Speaker 10 Of course, he had history with Dan Campbell.

Speaker 10 But like, if you're telling me Ben Johnson is the greatest offensive genius of the last decade and they had all these things that have been coming out of this team with the Penne Sewell running in motion and Jameer Gibbs being used a hundred different ways and J-Mo and what they got with Amon Ross St.

Speaker 10 Brown, you're taking him out of the equation and you're replacing him with a new coach. I think it's fair to question how that dynamic is going to go.

Speaker 10 And it's amazing because here's Jared Goff, who has been to a Super Bowl, has been to

Speaker 10 two NFC championship games, had the number one seed last year, has the mega contract, is an all-pro bowl, pro bowl, all-pro guy.

Speaker 10 And yet, year 10, people are like, is Jared Goff good enough to do this without Ben Johnson? They all have massive chips on their shoulders.

Speaker 10 And I can't come here on August 14th or whatever day it is and tell you...

Speaker 1 August 14th, it's author turn day.

Speaker 10 Sorry. I can't come here and tell you with confidence that this offense isn't going to miss a beat.
I just can't because I don't know what it is. And I think Ben Johnson is that good.

Speaker 10 So all the pressure does go back onto Jared Goff and Dan Campbell and let that motivate you guys. But gosh, Ben Johnson was a very big piece of this revitalization.

Speaker 10 We cannot just erase him from the history.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so is Aaron Glenn. I mean, you start doing those conversations, you start thinking about how great these guys are, but this is what good teams have to deal with.

Speaker 1 And you talk about great teams have to deal with. And if you talk about Sirianni's kind of respect level amongst his peers, he's lost his coordinators and had to do this.

Speaker 1 Patriots, I don't know if it didn't really happen often to you guys.

Speaker 1 Coordinators, it did early, and then after, then it kind of started to turn where everyone was like, Bill's assistants suck. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. Mangini.

Speaker 1 But like

Speaker 1 McDaniels, Flores, Mangini, Mario Cornell, Schwartz. Yeah, Cronel.
Like, there were a few. And some people would credit Vrabes, even though, you know, he played there.

Speaker 1 He didn't really coach for yeah, he didn't really coach there, but yeah, he still will will get like well he learned a lot from

Speaker 10 that that's his tree the Andy Reid they got the same coordinators well they got all hall of famers right yeah Tobes lost lost Nagy for a couple years came back you know Spags zero head coaching interviews all last offseason despite having the best defense in the league when it mattered and wanting to maybe get a look to be a head coach the NFL the rest of the 31 other owners they know better they don't need to interview Sag they don't need to interview Spags yeah sir you've already had opportunity we don't need to do that again you're a rate where you're I get heated on this one you You love Spags, huh?

Speaker 1 So do we.

Speaker 10 That's my guy. That's my guy.
And the way that players respond to him is like no other. He is as great a leader of men in this league as there is.
And 31 other teams just think, nah, we're good.

Speaker 10 We're going to not even interview the guy. We're good.
We're fine.

Speaker 1 Whatever. Andy Reid, Hall of Famer.
Tob, Hall of Famer, special teams. And then Spaggs, Hall of Famer, on defense as coordinators.
And they're all back again.

Speaker 1 They got Mahomes. And

Speaker 1 Travis Kelsey. And 7 o'clock tonight.
Yeah. Big deal.
Yeah. Taylor Swift's on new height, Tranks.
Yep, set the alarm. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you're doing, Tranks. I don't know what you're doing right there.
I don't know what that was, but you need to check your reactions before whatever they are.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. 144 million? Yeah, I don't think there's really quite a lot.

Speaker 10 Watched all time, though. Sports? Because didn't Trump do one with Joe Rogan? I feel like that's a pretty monster podcast.

Speaker 1 I mean, and maybe their entire average will jump enough for this for them to get an entire average boost. That's insane, which they will.
Oh, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 They released the stats after this was announced. They picked up like a hundred some thousand or two hundred some thousand followers on Instagram.

Speaker 1 Which a gigantic number. Everybody sees like that The Rock has like 150 million or something like that, and they're like, wow, that's what a lot of followers are.

Speaker 1 It's like 100,000, 200,000 new subs before something is even out is a gigantic movement. That is a big needle move.

Speaker 4 And then it was subscription to the podcast went up like 21,000% or something like that from where it was like four weeks ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Rogan does so many people every show i mean it is grotesque what he does there's also some others i believe color daddy has massive numbers have you gone on that yet on what color daddy or no i have not

Speaker 1 she's a dog though she's very she is

Speaker 1 she's a beast man yeah absolute beast i got a lot of respect for anybody that is able to do that in this world uh and i say i say this in a different way but yeah that is gigantic this is what you this is what you've been waiting for yeah i cannot wait.

Speaker 1 I hope she spills some business in there. She is a beast.
Work ethic, behind the scenes. I watched that documentary with my wife of her.
Completely different view of Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 And people hate her for whatever reason. You know, she's the biggest star on earth.
So people are going to hate her.

Speaker 1 The more people that know you, the more people naturally that aren't going to like you. But what an absolute goat roaming around.

Speaker 1 And then Travis, obviously, what a superpowers coming together type thing. And remember, they weren't actually in love.
This was fake. Yeah.
This was an industry plant. You saw the breakup line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly saw the whole thing now they're doing this it's like i'm a big fan i'm a big fan and i believe travis on our show said he invited to the gate i think like there is a part of our show that's part of their story so i always was hoping that they were legit and i think they're perfect for each other straight you know what was cool you know what really showed me a lot about her obviously you don't need my validation but when she starts playing main ailing at at at tight end university and she's up there and starts performing for the dan or lofskis and all the guys that are in there like

Speaker 10 This isn't, she's not selling out, you know, the Tokyo dome here. She's playing at some, you know, honky-tonk in Nashville or a bunch of tight ends talking about wheel routes.

Speaker 10 I'm like, all right, she's good by me. I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think there was a little bit of booze maybe, too. There was a little bit of party.

Speaker 1 And then the band also, like her walking around saying hello, telling them, hey, we're playing, blah, blah, blah. It's like the amount of talent that is just on display in front of you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a... That's a cool thing.
That is a very cool relationship that's happening during our lifetime. People hate it.
There's some people. Big Taylor pokes fun at that, actually.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know a lot of male sports fans are really going to love seeing more of me, especially on this podcast. That was good.
That was a good little self-little thing there early. I like it.

Speaker 1 I like what they're doing. What is she going to say in there? TS-12, I guess, is the new era.
It's a new album. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Life of a songwriter. Songwriter or something.
Showgirl, showgirl. Showgirl.
Output transcript, please.

Speaker 1 She's Louise Boyle.

Speaker 4 And that's not disrespectful. I'm not a die-hard Swifty.

Speaker 1 I like her music, but I'm not.

Speaker 1 Did you open your phone, though, just in the last like two days? Yeah, I saw it, but I'm not committing it to memory. Like, oh, it's her next album, you know.
You like the show, bro?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not doing that. Okay, not a tortured poet.

Speaker 1 You got too much. You got too much already in here.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 I don't have any room. I know.
I'll make some more special. I'll download the album.
Sure, of course.

Speaker 4 I'm not committing the name of the album to memory right now. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Right now or probably when it comes out. What about a 12-12 on the 12th winner?

Speaker 4 That is cool. I like that gimmick.

Speaker 1 How about a little Easter egg? The gimmick, the scavenger hunt type. Very cool.
She gets it. Very

Speaker 1 committed to that, too. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Setting stuff up for that. Long time.

Speaker 10 She's still the number one dog, though. Like, I felt like this summer there was a lot of Chapel Roan and

Speaker 10 the baby.

Speaker 1 King Bonnie Puffy.

Speaker 1 Not on your own.

Speaker 1 She is the next name.

Speaker 1 You need to just understand.

Speaker 10 She had a chip on her shoulder. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Oh, Taylor. Good lord.
Yes, she has a chip on her shoulder. Always.
She's one of them. Mom's spent the whole time.
She is Everest. She is them.
She is the mountain.

Speaker 1 I can't believe you just did that.

Speaker 3 How dare you doubt our queen.

Speaker 1 I almost want to end this conversation. We had one more question.
We like Chappelle, too. Yes, we are big fans.
My daughter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, my daughter.
Yeah, great song. We're talking about Taylor Swift Taylor.
Yeah. There's levels to this shit.
Good, bro. I don't get it.

Speaker 1 No, you don't. I'm not questioning her.

Speaker 10 I'm asking if right now, are the kids in this moment, are they listening to Taylor? Or have they moved on? Because it's been a year since the last album. And she's like, I'm going to go

Speaker 1 my dude they don't move we appreciate you Shranks

Speaker 1 are you talking about like 10 year olds maybe maybe their first album will be TS12 guess what

Speaker 1 they're in

Speaker 1 just like every other generation and what are they doing if Jen Alpha will be in TS12 is the first album they're living listening to guess what they're doing they're not waiting for 13 no they're going to 11 all the records that she had already are about to get broken again because Jen Alpha's coming in and she owns all going back to that love story different going right back

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're feeling 22 all of a sudden, aren't you, Shrek's? This is outstanding.
Seriously, to watch you kind of live through this with us. But you need to check yourself.

Speaker 1 We think tonight's numbers on New Heights will be record-breaking. No doubt.
Yeah, I think it will be record-breaking. Warranted, though.
I'm excited to hear what happens.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to hear how it goes. We will say this, though, Shreks.
Having you on our show is like our Taylor Swift. Man.
Yeah. Come on, though.
Right, Foxy? Amen. Well said.

Speaker 1 I mean, I would argue he is more of the Chapel Roan and like Michael Lombardi's are Taylor Swift, but I understand what you're saying. Michael Lombardi.
That is a valid luck.

Speaker 1 Piece of good luck.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it kind of came to me right now. Yeah, that is even.
But that's good. Hey, that's good.
Big pony club.

Speaker 1 Big pony club. Love it.
But we're in the same. Yeah, that is the same.
Think highly of both. Yes, good company.
Both superstars.

Speaker 1 You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Emmy Award winner.

Speaker 1 New Swifty, I guess. This This guy's not a Swifty.
I'm a Swifty. He's not.
I don't know if he's winning any awards now that he claimed. Yeah, that's a bad idea, brother.
Robin said.

Speaker 10 August. I love that stuff, man.

Speaker 1 It's all. It's all.
He heard Aaron say that in an answer. You remember Aaron said that to Jets on social media? That is where he heard that exact answer.
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Speaker 1 That's exactly where he got that because Aaron gave that answer literally to the Jet Social Media

Speaker 1 favorite song. I was one of those.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's rolling.
He's rolling. He had great Wi-Fi.
Yeah. One of these today?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hard laugh into the camera.
Didn't know if it was a positive or a negative. He's not on the side of Les Taylor Swift at football, is he? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 I think he's on the side, like, he doesn't care.

Speaker 1 Like Ty kind of was saying, which was very valid. I will say for the sport of football, especially flag football, we talk about this all the time.

Speaker 1 If flag football continues to grow in the girls and, you know, at younger age, it's like, we got a whole new sport coming. We got a whole new, whole new world for the NFL.

Speaker 1 The NFL is always like, we need to expand football into Europe and then, you know, globally more. It's like, what about the other half of the United States of America?

Speaker 1 We can get them playing football. And if they're playing football, they're going to love the sport as much.

Speaker 1 It's like, that is a whole nother growth department for the NFL and for football as a whole that I'm very pumped to see, especially as a uh girl dad, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 Like, and my girl runs a lot, we're running a lot, everybody's running a lot at that age. Is that kind of the thing? Oh, yeah, she's moving a lot.

Speaker 6 That's an active, that's an active age, yeah. Turn your head and she's like 150 yards apart.

Speaker 1 It is awesome, though. It is so because she's like laughing while running, and just like in Jordan, I'm like, Yeah, let's continue to run.

Speaker 1 Let's not think running is punishment, let's think running is fun,

Speaker 1 yeah, because your dad, you see, views running as punishment

Speaker 1 It is very hard to get out there. They want to do it.
So, yeah, we're happy running. We're happy running.

Speaker 1 Speaking of being happy, isn't it great whenever we get a chance to chit-chat with somebody who's not only a local boy, but also great at what he does? Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 A young stud that we learned about as being the low amateur at the 2024 Masters

Speaker 1 out of the

Speaker 1 Ohio State University. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, Corn Ferry Tour golfer.
Ladies and gentlemen, Neil Shipley.

Speaker 12 hey boys neil

Speaker 1 hey it's great to see you look fantastic are you out there on the course right now

Speaker 1 no we're we're we're we're just sitting we're near the pool deck here at beautiful hillcrest country club in uh boise idaho wow i'll tell you what golf is a good thing to be good at yes you know because the views

Speaker 1 big head nod there uh speaking of being good at i have an official announcement for you and i don't think you know this but you might have known that it was around the corner.

Speaker 1 Each year, 20 players earn a PGA tour card through their position on the end of season Corn Fairy Tour points list. Throughout the season, the PGA Tour monitors players at the top of the list.

Speaker 1 And when they meet a certain threshold, they are declared hashtag tour band,

Speaker 1 which means they've locked up their PGA tour card for the following season. Neil Shipley, it is with our honor.
And I kind of gave it away there.

Speaker 1 You have a brain, so you certainly understood what was going on and been following along.

Speaker 1 But we are so incredibly lucky to be a part of a moment that we hope changes the trajectory of your life, your family's life, and everything you've got going on. Congratulations, brother.

Speaker 1 With two massive comeback wins this season, you're a top 100 player in the world now. You've officially locked up your PGA tour card.
You are hashtag Tor Bond, sir. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Hey, we're proud of you, buddy. This is a big deal.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I assume this is something that was on your radar. And with this, obviously, becoming official, how do you feel? Congrats, man.
We're proud of you.

Speaker 15 Oh, I'm so pumped. I'm really excited to be on the PGA tour next year and get back out there.
And I feel like it's where I belong. And

Speaker 15 I'm really, really stoked for the opportunities that are to come here. And

Speaker 15 I really appreciate you guys being a cool part of this and surprising me here.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
So surprise you, that was the thing that we were kind of presented as a surprise. And we're like,

Speaker 1 if we were Neil and you guys,

Speaker 1 they sent me this as like the official proclamation, you know, like, hey, if you want to read like an official thing, here it is.

Speaker 1 And it's like each year, 20 players earn their PJ tour card from the Corn Fairy Tours point list. It's like, that's something you guys are monitoring all year, right?

Speaker 1 I assume that is something you're actively watching and everything as the season goes on?

Speaker 15 Yeah, yeah, 100%. You know, it's something that we're totally watching.
You know, we have a point total in mind

Speaker 15 that we think we might get just based off previous years.

Speaker 15 So it's something I figured I was kind of past that threshold, but finally getting the official hashtag tourbound stamp is pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 Okay, we thought that was a nice added burner. It started about five minutes before we went on live, so I'll apologize on it not being perfectly cross-your-face, but we did get the point across.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Neil, do you have any idea how many events you will play in next year in your first PGA, your first season with your official tour card?

Speaker 6 And who are you looking forward to possibly playing with that you may not have gotten paired with yet?

Speaker 15 Oh, you know,

Speaker 15 I'll probably play somewhere in the range of 20, 25 events. That's a pretty typical season.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 it's a lot of time on the road, but it's fun. We go to a lot of cool places on the PGA tour.

Speaker 15 And, you know, I'd really like to... I haven't played a Scotty yet.
I've gotten to interact with him a bunch, but I'd love to watch his game up close in person. He's just

Speaker 5 an absolute animal.

Speaker 1 Yes, I would say from watching Outside Inn, DeShambeau says he has the greatest ball spin and yardage control that he's ever seen. And that is why he is different.
That would be cool to do around.

Speaker 1 Hey, you're in the same tour as him. Hell yeah.
Got to beat him. You're in the same tour as him.

Speaker 1 Come on,

Speaker 1 we got like two minutes before a hard out. D-Bud has a question for you, Dale, PGA tour player.
Neil Shipley.

Speaker 2 Since Turner Pro last year, what has been some things, I guess, that have surprised you? And how much have you had to add to the team being that so much more is on your plate now?

Speaker 15 Yeah, you know,

Speaker 15 it's definitely surprised me how tough it is being on the road for this long. I mean, I'm doing, I think, 24, 25 weeks this year, and we're doing like four weeks in a row a lot of times.

Speaker 15 And I tell you, when you get to week four, you know, what you eat and how you treat your body really starts to add up.

Speaker 15 So I've been paying a lot more attention to that and taking a little bit more time to rest. And I think, you know, I'm still, I'm 24.

Speaker 15 We're starting to get older, starting to feel it a little bit more every day. Yeah.
But

Speaker 15 trying to, you know, get ahead of the curve there and start treating our body like

Speaker 15 I'm an athlete.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are, by the way, at the highest level now in your particular profession. I think 25, my metabolism started changing.
I think like my body started chasing 21. 26, maybe.
I forget when it was.

Speaker 1 I used to be able to just do whatever. And then all of a sudden it started showing up.
And I'm like, yo, I'm an old man now. But you're not old.
You're very young.

Speaker 1 Fresh into a PGA tour career that we'll be speaking about for generations and generations. We're proud of you, bud.
Congratulations.

Speaker 15 Thanks, Todd. Appreciate you.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Neil Shipley of the PGA Tour. Yay!

Speaker 1 Tourbond. Tourbond.
Tourbond. It's huge.
It is cool, man. I used to watch Big Break and

Speaker 1 they give out a cue card. You know, you have to earn a cue card to get onto the tour.
And there was a series of tough trials that you had to get through, whether it was breaking glass and tic-tac-toe,

Speaker 1 you know, or having to chip it over a ring. You know, there was like, that was a great opportunity.

Speaker 1 I once dreamt, Big Break, I once dreamt of being on that show someday and getting a cue card at the end. You got the unduffable.
Yeah, I even bought the unduffable after watching Big Break.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, I was proud to be, we were very awesome, honored to be be a part of this awesome moment for Neil Shipley. But I assumed he had to already know.
For sure. But we just stamped it officially.

Speaker 1 Yeah, made official. He didn't know when.

Speaker 1 Today.

Speaker 2 He knew at some point.

Speaker 1 But today's the day, Neil. You did it.
We knocked on the door like we were David Baker. Yeah, exactly.
Blue. Via FaceTime while he's at a country club in Boise.
Wow. Chucks.
That's Chuck's club, yeah.

Speaker 1 Those golf series, those golf lives are great. All right, fuck that.
We'll see you later.

Speaker 1 That's so bad. Couldn't get a word up.

Speaker 1 Muted on the way muted on it.

Speaker 1 So we

Speaker 1 couldn't get a word of it. I had no idea if I wanted to transition to like, hey, we continue or continue to give Neil his credit, you know?

Speaker 3 It's just. Slows.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was an interesting moment there in my brain. Nonetheless,

Speaker 1 he had to have.

Speaker 4 He absolutely had to have that.

Speaker 6 He knows he has enough points to qualify, right? So top 20 off the corner fairy, make it, get the card?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then there's like a certain threshold, too. So I don't know if it's all.
I would have imagined a Q school.

Speaker 4 If you win twice on the Corn Ferry tour, like that is putting you, you know, like there aren't a whole lot of guys, I would assume, that are winning two times.

Speaker 6 Is it just top 20 money list, Ty? Do you know? Like, top 20 money list, the winners?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then it said certain threshold. There's a lot of wording.
Hold on. So it's like Liv, DeShamboji.

Speaker 6 I mean, there's so many people that are trying to get that card. It's unbelievable to even hold a PGA tour card.

Speaker 1 Agreed. I think you get some good perks, too.

Speaker 1 The PGA doesn't pay you, of course. Yeah, now you got to go earn that.
But I do think you get some perks other places. Show up any golf course anytime.

Speaker 1 What's the record here? Huh?

Speaker 2 Where's the T-box?

Speaker 1 Where's the T-box? What's the record? I need a cart and a caddy.

Speaker 1 I think that is part of it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that.

Speaker 1 They should make that a rule if that's not a rule, by the way. It should be.

Speaker 1 Remember those NFL PA cards the guys used to have? Oh, man. Yeah.
What'd they get you? I think that got me in trouble, actually. I think when it went through my wallet as I was being,

Speaker 1 you know, sitting there in the middle of a parking lot about 4 or 5 a.m. in Indianapolis, and they saw that thing buried in there, I think that potentially,

Speaker 1 what do we have here?

Speaker 1 You think you're a special, huh?

Speaker 3 Is it like one of those Mustang cards we would walk around and sell to fundraise in high school? You go to Subway, get 10% off. No.

Speaker 1 Oh, those were awesome. Those were very cool.
And we had a guy at West Virginia, Adam.

Speaker 1 I apologize for forgetting your name, brother. Name was Adam.
He was like entrepreneur at college. college always hustling this guy always hustling

Speaker 1 he had these wristbands that he was selling that were like those discount coupon books yeah so you get a wristband you buy this wristband and obviously you get a deal at like you get ice cream for this amount of price you get this at this certain thing at this club you get this amount of uh this amount uh dollar amount for beer at this restaurant you get chicken tenders for free with this order and he was like he sold these wristbands genius idea i mean it was absolutely genius i I wonder if the PGA has a wristband.

Speaker 3 Is that what the NFL PA card's like?

Speaker 1 No, the NFL PA. You told me we got to wear this

Speaker 6 wristband 24-7 that this guy sells you. Like, who's doing that? To be clear.

Speaker 1 If you're going to a restaurant. I would like to let everybody know, I did get $40,000 out in loans in college at a 28% interest rate.

Speaker 1 Pretty solid rate. Okay, so I did do that.
I did have access to funds when I was in college. You didn't need the wristband.
I did not.

Speaker 1 I did not wear a wristband full time, but I did respect the shit out of wristband.

Speaker 1 Like, if he was having an event and we were all going to a party, I would certainly get wristband support through the entire thing. But yes, people were wearing it all day.

Speaker 1 It was back in wristband time, though. Live strong, live strong, people were doing it.
Balance bands. It was a good idea.
But the NFL card was like a student card that you would have at

Speaker 1 Universal.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can go. You get into a lot of places.
Like a lot of guys would use me like getting the club, skip lines. I was always the guy.

Speaker 2 I never wanted to show something to somebody and then get embarrassed.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. So I would never do it, but people

Speaker 2 tell them who you are. So, you know, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 Certainly wanted to be with a group that had one person in it that did, though. So

Speaker 1 there was a couple moments getting into clubs or various establishments where, boy, this looks like a long time getting here.

Speaker 1 We are not known enough to stand here and get the attention to get in here. But boy, if somebody in here would go up there and do the asshole thing, that would be great.

Speaker 1 And I would always try to mingle away from where this was happening. And then I'm trying to sneak in last second.
Sure. Always going to have to be a yes, he's with us with the

Speaker 1 because I have been cut off that yes, he's with us. Because that's how far away I wanted to remain from the usage of the card.
Seen one of these before? That was the worst thing.

Speaker 1 It was the optically, it was the worst thing of all time. And

Speaker 1 it looked bad. I mean, but when it worked.

Speaker 6 You need that guy, though. You do need everyone.
Every group needs that guy.

Speaker 1 Hey, you should take a swing. We are going gonna spend a lot of money in here.
You can't.

Speaker 1 Yes, I can tell you, personally, what I can promise, what you can promise, I will be buying a lot of things for a lot of people if we were to get in there. We will too, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think that was always the message.

Speaker 1 Got a couple thousand bucks, bro.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. What a time.
So he's got one of those now. Yeah, I've heard that about the tour card.
Like, growing up, that was always what people said, but I never knew if it was true or not.

Speaker 2 They don't pay for golf anymore.

Speaker 1 No. I assume they.
Scotty said he hasn't paid.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he was just asked that he hasn't paid for a round.

Speaker 3 They should.

Speaker 6 Someone's calling.

Speaker 6 Even if they don't, even if you're not a really well-known PGA tour guy, imagine your caddy or manager is going to call the course you want to go play.

Speaker 5 Somebody's taking a call.

Speaker 1 Somebody's taking a call.

Speaker 6 Yeah, can you imagine showing up if you are a PGA tour golfer? A lot of people don't know by looking at them, and you just, you think the guy's like, all right, $625 for your green speed.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, well, not even. I was told.
Not even that.

Speaker 4 They send you out and play with a guy who's like a 30-handicap.

Speaker 1 Got to be with the member.

Speaker 1 need you out there with a member need you out there with a member uh golf golf is a good thing to be good at oh yeah

Speaker 1 and as i grow older that's it's becoming more and more evident i like that neil's from a cold weather state i can't stress how difficult that is yeah always texas florida or california he didn't move like as a high school he might have but i would assume he had to no he went to central right oh yeah he was central catholic high school yeah and oakmont was his place

Speaker 1 he's there now yeah like that's really impressive those guys stick together too that's what keegan bradley said He's like, I'm just, I'm a North, you know, Northeast golfer.

Speaker 1 Like, I take a lot of pride in that just because I'm not from a Florida. And that was before Sim.
Now, Neil Shipley might have been in Sim era. Definitely.
And he's traveling to all those junior two.

Speaker 1 He also went all year round. Ohio State.
Yeah, Ohio State.

Speaker 3 He could have went to a warm-weather college and chose not to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he could have chosen a little bit easier route. Now, Spring is, you know, not airborne a lot.
And he's an Ohio boy, so he grew up with a Buckeye in his hand. Pittsburgh, boy.

Speaker 2 Speaking about Ohio.

Speaker 1 Fuck him though, Ohio.

Speaker 2 Have you been following LeBron's

Speaker 1 golf journey? Hand up.

Speaker 1 I love that he's golfing. Hand up.
I love it. I love that he's golfing.
His swing the first time he stepped out there,

Speaker 1 I love that he went for it. Yeah.
You know, LeBron has watched others golf that he is viewed as less athletic than him.

Speaker 1 And I'm not saying he's saying that outwardly, but in his brain, he is watching people do this. I just need to do what they do.
Probably watched a lot of film, and he committed.

Speaker 1 I appreciated how he committed to swinging really, really hard that first couple times. But him getting the bug, him loving wine, it's like you can see the perfect, you know, you can see

Speaker 1 you could almost see it all coming together. Jordan Arc.
It's been good.

Speaker 2 Follow playing at night, playing the rain, all the shit that you know, everybody when they catch that bug.

Speaker 2 And when he was actually here after the LeBron version, I asked him and Steve, like, hey, you guys play golf? Neither one of them had played golf until that point.

Speaker 2 So I'm going to tell my grandkids, I got LeBron in the golf.

Speaker 1 Okay, hey, you should. Hell yeah, December.
Thanks for doing it. Hell yeah.
Bryce.

Speaker 1 Bryson DeCambeau. All he's trying to do is spread the game.
All he hopes is one kid picks up a golf club because of what he's doing.

Speaker 2 Keep working, Bryce.

Speaker 1 Keep working.

Speaker 1 One day at a time. Dreams coming true.
It's unbelievable. LeBron golfing's good for golf.
Yes. Golf is good for golf at this point, it feels like.
Just people doing it.

Speaker 1 You got to commit a lot to play golf. Got to commit a lot.

Speaker 6 Time. LeBron should cure.
He should cruise around the Ryder Cup like Jordan always does. Like this year, he should go.

Speaker 1 That'd be interesting. Would they have two cards?

Speaker 1 Or would they share a card? Yeah. They're not.

Speaker 1 They're not. He's still playing.
Maybe golf is what.

Speaker 1 Burke's not together. LeBron, we saw him.
Okay.

Speaker 1 If they have a golf cart that's custom, maybe he's sitting next to someone. And Jordan also has 6'6.
Exactly. They're so fucking huge that you can't sit.
Like, I'm looking at your golf cart.

Speaker 1 He could probably fit in something, like, they could fit in some back seat. Yeah, together like that, but

Speaker 1 shit. shit that's like whenever Shaq was doing a Buick commercial yeah yeah come on

Speaker 1 come on I hit my knees off the steering wheel you're literally a foot and a half tall

Speaker 1 and don't lie no they took out the back seat obviously oh okay

Speaker 1 he's so they're coming uh ESPN right yeah yep licensed through ESPN

Speaker 1 like that how do we think that's gonna go great I think so too still all the same people running the show right yeah and I think there's enough respect from the execs at ESPN.

Speaker 4 Not to meddle.

Speaker 6 They get their same amount of airtime.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I have no idea.
I was, there's like memes. I've seen like memes and stuff and like different tweets.
I don't know what's real and what's not.

Speaker 4 That was what I read in an article. It was like, is ESPN going to be okay with doing like floating breaks for that? Because sometimes they'll talk for 35 minutes and not go to a commercial.

Speaker 1 Now

Speaker 1 I don't want to insert us into their conversation, but see shows completely licensed by ESPN, created, fully controlled by outside entity, and also with no commercial breaks and the ability to float commercial breaks being brought to the network and executed and profitable and seemingly technically easy to accomplish feels like their entire shit should just be same as is should be.

Speaker 1 That's why like the panic, I appreciated the panic and we had a bunch too. I mean, we were attacked.

Speaker 1 I was attacked heavily when I was like, hey, shows getting licensed through ESPN. This is great news.
Never forget. We're about to showcase that you can do a different style of sports.

Speaker 1 You know, we're about to celebrate the shit out of this thing.

Speaker 1 Mark people were like,

Speaker 1 you fucking piece of shit.

Speaker 13 Everything you stood for. It was worse than that.

Speaker 1 It was way worse. Yeah, there was a lot of mean things being said.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of mean things being said. Never forget.
Now, granted, has our show changed? Maybe. Would our show have changed anyways? Yes, we're growing.
I got a baby growing out. We're married.

Speaker 1 AJ's got terrible hair. Whoa.

Speaker 1 I like AJ's hair i like his hair too i like where it's going i like that it looks like his his head's getting a little bit of a hug you know has a little bit of fur yeah yeah i i i like that that's happening and there's gonna be a lot of these stages as he gets to where we want him to go which is the very yeah very long put a hat on why does everybody always just say espn is going to ruin shows that are created and

Speaker 1 i guess because they did

Speaker 1 because they did for a long time yeah and there was a lot of up for us it was like a lot of leaks and stuff a lot of

Speaker 1 this guy should get canceled they say the F-word. Remember that show? Oh, yeah, early on.

Speaker 4 That was the awful announcing.

Speaker 4 Every day after the show.

Speaker 1 We're disgusting.

Speaker 1 Everything about us is the worst of all time.

Speaker 1 ESPNer that's been here for 23 years has

Speaker 1 anonymously said, obviously, keep the safety of the person, that this is disgusting, despicable for ESPN to have this show on, blah, blah, blah. All that stuff.

Speaker 1 It's like if you consider that trying to ruin a show, which you could, you know, turn off future fans, advertisers. You can publicly kind of try to get in the way of something having success.

Speaker 1 And we certainly experienced that, I would say, at a very

Speaker 1 high volume, I would think, with the entirety of it all. That's settled in a little bit, I think.
Oh, yeah. I mean, a few weeks ago, I guess there was another one.
Great. Thanks.
Really cool to do.

Speaker 1 But I think they have enough respect for inside the NBA that it will be like,

Speaker 1 we're lucky to have them almost. You know what I mean? As opposed to

Speaker 1 we hate all the people that don't matter. I mean, I've said this a lot, but you get it.
All these people that don't really matter, but they have a little bit of power in Bristol. Like, they

Speaker 1 don't like, you know, potential change, but maybe we're at a point where they understand that, like, bringing in Inside the NBA is actually a good thing for the future of, you know, the network.

Speaker 1 Bringing in maybe like a podcast type show

Speaker 1 to the network is maybe a good idea. They had to, maybe, maybe.
So they could be on the in the podcast world. Catch up, man.
You know, in the whole entire thing.

Speaker 1 You know, billions dollars, billion dollars. Oh, yeah.
So

Speaker 1 whenever you out the dough. Mm-hmm.
Out the dough. Sorry, motherfucker.
Bro. What came in, though? You know, well, in their eyes, a lot of terrible things.

Speaker 1 So that is what you think is not going to happen. I think will not happen with inside the NBA.
So I think it's going to be great. I think show's going to thrive.
I think it's going to be fantastic.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And a lot of people talk about the Stephen A thing getting inserted in there.
Like, you don't think Stephen A going in there and battling with Shaq and Chuck every once in a while.

Speaker 1 And I'm not saying this is going to happen. I don't know any information.
You don't think Chuck and Shaq and Kenny and Stephen A going at it throughout the NBA season is a good thing?

Speaker 1 Like, I think that's a good thing. I don't think that's a bad thing.
People are like, I don't want to see more Stephen A. It's like, I wouldn't mind seeing Chuck, Charles Barkley, Stephen A.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I wouldn't mind. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Perk and them go at it.
Like, they've gone at it publicly. Yeah.
So it's like, hey, now you can have it on the same set. Like, that is a good

Speaker 1 will be good tv and also

Speaker 1 along i guess alongside game day i think kind of viewed as like

Speaker 1 greatest sports shows that have really ever happened definitely i think you know i don't know how many of those there are but you get that is the conversation they're talking about so i'm excited for that that's a long way away long long way it's funny you should say that because i i was kind of looking at the NBA because when we were done with the show yesterday, they were just talking about all the games that are, you know, the opening night game, blah, blah, blah, yeah, the next, the first week of the NBA.

Speaker 1 They're offseason two is, I mean, they're October, the third week of October.

Speaker 4 I was going to say, once you get, once football season starts, you're really like a month out from the NBA starting.

Speaker 1 Well, you're not really, because it doesn't start. Well, true, exactly.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about sports, though, that are currently happening that we care about now, and we got to remember that. Baseball, you were out on the Yankees, what, three days ago? We're back?

Speaker 4 Yeah, before the Twin Series, and they've won two in a row. So, yeah,

Speaker 4 right when I'm out, they pull me back in.

Speaker 1 Yes, they do.

Speaker 1 The APs are sucking you in, aren't they? They are.

Speaker 4 But, yeah,

Speaker 4 we got some pretty close races in a couple of the divisions here. So, I mean, again, there's still about a month of baseball left, so there's still quite a bit left.

Speaker 4 But now it's kind of things come into focus, and you realize, like, okay, these are the teams that are really going to make a run. A lot of these teams are out.

Speaker 4 The Brewers are the best team in baseball by kind of a wide margin right now. They've won 11 in a row currently.
They just continue to win. I think they're the first team since like the 1935 Cubs.

Speaker 4 They've had,

Speaker 4 I think, three separate 10-plus game winning streaks this year. So, yeah, I mean, same deal.
You know, we've talked about how with football right now, like it's awesome.

Speaker 1 He says the Buckers. Yeah, they stink.
They absolutely stink. The dark-bottom center of the draft.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But if you don't want to just watch preseason football or you want to watch, you know, the first or second series, there's still a lot of good baseball games. Okay, wait, how's Shohei doing?

Speaker 4 Pretty good. He actually hit into a triple play last night, which is very rare.

Speaker 1 It doesn't happen a whole lot. This guy's even different.

Speaker 4 But then he came back and hit a game-tie home run in the ninth inning that the Dodgers went on to lose.

Speaker 4 And he's also

Speaker 4 kind of wrapped up in some legal issues right now. But Tony looked into those yesterday post-show, and it sounds like those are largely bullshit.

Speaker 2 Jumbo Jumbo.

Speaker 3 It doesn't feel like it's his fault.

Speaker 1 Okay, love to hear that. Shohei, we need to start protecting Shohei.
Legit, okay? He's got special talent.

Speaker 1 We can leave that to Japan, maybe. Okay, so what I'm looking at is score by Brewers and the Pirates.
Is this real? Yes, that was yesterday. Skeens started, too.
Dude, what?

Speaker 4 He only gave up like four earned runs, and they could kind of see how.

Speaker 1 They gave up 10 runs? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 After Skeens came out, Bullpen came in and just

Speaker 3 team in baseball by a wide margin.

Speaker 1 Wait, didn't they win 11 straight games and they almost had to give hamburgers or cheeseburgers? Correct. That was earlier this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but now they're on another 11-game win streak. Yeah, tonight.

Speaker 4 They're going for 12.

Speaker 1 If they get 12 tonight, it's the burgers. The burger store? Yes, the burgers.

Speaker 1 The 170,000 burgers. What was the number? It was someone like that.
I think it was like 150,000 or 170,000. In 1960 or 1970 or something like that.
What was the family's name?

Speaker 1 So if they win tonight, we're back on Burger Watch?

Speaker 4 Yeah, if they win tonight, that'll be 12.

Speaker 1 They're straight. They're playing right now.
What's the score? What's the score? Zero, zero.

Speaker 1 Who's pitching? Is The Miz on the bump? Let me see. Mike? Because he won tonight.
star players. The Miz plays for the Brewers thing? Same level of aura, different profession.
Oh.

Speaker 1 This is young Buck Offs. I've been following who.
Voted into the All-Star game, and everybody was pissed off. Who is NASDAQ? Nasty.

Speaker 3 Mitch Keller versus Brandon Woodruff.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Woodruff. No, it's not The Miz.

Speaker 1 And I don't know which team either of those guys are on, but we... Mitch Keller's on the Buccos.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's the old dog.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're playing the Pirates for the Burgers? Yes, they are. Oh, no, this goes down in history.
Yeah. If they win.
Yeah, it will. It's remembered forever against the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Speaker 3 No one outside of Milwaukee will remember it.

Speaker 1 But if the Pirates,

Speaker 1 it will be talked about. We talked about it.
That's team involved.

Speaker 1 Happened in 1960, something, brother.

Speaker 3 No one outside of Milwaukee cares about the burgers.

Speaker 1 We talked about it. What I'm saying is...

Speaker 3 I'm not going to free burger. Are you?

Speaker 1 No, but I'm saying in 30 years from now, when this happens again, they're going to lie.

Speaker 1 This happened was against guess who? The Pittsburgh Pirates. That's what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 And I wouldn't say that, Tony, because if the Brewers win today, I'm going to go to a restaurant up near my house and demand a free burger.

Speaker 1 I don't know which one it's going to be, but I'm going to do it. Yeah, also, to the point of this will be history for the Brewers, I mean, the Pirates win this game.
They could damn near

Speaker 1 hang a banner. They could call this, well, like a Pennant, maybe not a World Series.
The No Burg Pennant. Yeah, the No Berg Pennant.

Speaker 1 Or the Only Burger. Yeah,

Speaker 1 the Only Burger. Yeah, they're actually going to call it, I heard, the Pittsburgh giveaway.
Oh, no. They won't.
That's what I heard. That's a great name for it.

Speaker 1 I don't like that.

Speaker 1 I'm just telling you what I'm hearing. I'm talking to people in Milwaukee.
Mitch will will shut them down. Don't worry about it.
Come on, Mitch. Throw the fucking stinky cheese.
Throw that.

Speaker 1 Who else should we know in the Brewers? How do they switch to that?

Speaker 1 The underpitcher that we like? Yeah, McGill. He's dog.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Trevor McGill throws gas, but they're really just kind of like you. I mean, Christian Yelich is probably there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but they're a lot of young guys who just manufacture runs. They have very good pitching and their bullpen's very good.
So it's kind of like, I mean, they just

Speaker 1 win, baby. Team ball.
They just win Brewers baseball.

Speaker 1 I love baseball. Good sport.
They were good to us. The MLB was very good to us.

Speaker 1 I'm very thankful for them. Let's make sure we continue to remain updated on baseball.

Speaker 4 I'll keep watching.

Speaker 4 Tell the Yankees are illuminated.

Speaker 1 Tell the Red Sox series. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 you told me that you were out on the Yankees. Yes, I did.
He said to me, AJ,

Speaker 1 worst collapse I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 I'm not watching every damn game of the Yankees anymore. That's what he told me, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I said that on Monday.

Speaker 1 Now, what are we doing?

Speaker 4 Twinkies came to town, baby, and Yankees on the Twins.

Speaker 1 Two in a row.

Speaker 4 Judgy hit a homer last night. Gian Carlos Stanton was four for five.

Speaker 1 He's running the bases. He's manoeuvre.

Speaker 1 Playing outfield, too.

Speaker 4 He is hardened a pistol right now.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 He hits it 150 miles an hour every single time he's up. Even if he

Speaker 4 gets out, he hits it so fucking hard.

Speaker 1 Kaplav's going to feel it if he's out there. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Or he's going to strike out, and if he let go of his bat, it would fly out of Yankee stamp. He swings so fucking hard every single time.

Speaker 1 It's awesome. And that's why we love him.
And that's why I love him. Exactly.
That's why we love him. And because he is so slow.
So slow. Anything else?

Speaker 1 And once again.

Speaker 1 That's why we love him.

Speaker 1 John Gruden about to get a lot of money from the NFL. It's kind of how it sounds.
I guess this will be held

Speaker 1 in front of a judge in a courtroom. Supreme Court? Yeah, no, it's going to get moved to the Supreme Court.
I guess it's going to get appealed up there.

Speaker 1 But I guess the first ruling is one that is very much favorable for John Gruden. Or discovery will happen, public information will take place.

Speaker 1 So they were trying to get this behind closed doors, I do believe, if you were to break this down. But instead, a judge is deemed, nah, this is to go through public.

Speaker 1 And it is interesting to think about how this all plays out. Okay?

Speaker 1 Very, very interesting. John Gruden, I think, obviously

Speaker 1 got fired, kicked out, banned from the NFL and life for using homophobic slurs in emails in 2014.

Speaker 1 I forget what we don't know the exact year. He gets kicked out of the league whenever this whole thing happened, fired,

Speaker 1 I believe, with cause. So his contract,

Speaker 1 which was over 100 million. I mean, there's...

Speaker 1 It all ended for him. He was the only person out of these hundreds of thousands, 600,000 plus documents.
His emails were the only ones that were made public.

Speaker 1 And then obviously he's fired and his life goes the way it goes. It's crazy.
Yeah, it is a wild scene. It is certainly a wild situation.
As it was happening, it was wild.

Speaker 1 Now looking back on it, it's crazy to think about.

Speaker 1 And now with this ruling, it's like, I think the NFL is very much like, wait a minute, a guy who has committed his entire life to football and to the NFL is now at a point where he can potentially tell them, okay, if you guys are just comfortable with all these things that are in these, because there could be business stuff in there.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. I mean, there could be.

Speaker 1 Discovery is a wild thing, you know, just as somebody that has been sued before by Brett Farf.

Speaker 1 This is the whole conversation was basically like holding over. Like, are you, you want, what else you got? You want discovery? You want discovery to happen? And I was like, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 What do we,

Speaker 1 what does this mean? And they're like, they have the right now to look through what evidence would be. And evidence is anything they deem possible.

Speaker 1 So, any of your text messages, any of your emails, and it doesn't just have to be

Speaker 1 text messages that are directly pertinent to the situation because you might have had conversations with other people about that as well.

Speaker 1 So, it's like the amount of things that discovery can get into everybody's going to learn about you basically is what is the scary thing for people that are potentially going in it.

Speaker 1 Now, John Gruden's going to have the same exact situation. They're going to be operating discovery against him as well, which is why I assume what the NFL is saying in this entire thing.

Speaker 1 But how many things are saved from 2014 on John Gruden's side? Let alone, you know, it's this is, I assume, something that'll get.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I honestly don't know what that number would be. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have no idea how that goes. I'll probably never know if I'll assume

Speaker 1 that Winkle bosses. Especially with Goodell

Speaker 1 understanding that Gruden is football.

Speaker 3 Loves the NFL can't afford to have anything get out.

Speaker 1 Yes, I agree. It's a big, big, big,

Speaker 1 yeah, that's what I'm saying. And on the flip side, it's all the owners and like they're doing a lot of selling to Gruden.
Like, we built this league. Remember,

Speaker 1 we love this league. Gruden's like, I did, man.
Yeah. If Gruden, you ruined my life.

Speaker 1 I learned a lot about this league, man. Say we.
You know, and this entire thing. It's like...
Say we to him. He's just asked for a percentage of the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, and remember, Davis was not happy about this. No, he was pissed.
He has a whole other side of it. There's a whole nother angle to it.
Why don't you ask them? Yeah, I don't want it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do want everything out, actually. Ask them.
And he was on. This is a wild situation, though.
This is a big deal for the NFL.

Speaker 2 I think he definitely coaches again. Do we think he coaches the NFL again?

Speaker 1 Well, you think he does. Belichick does a college?

Speaker 2 I think he's collecting. I think

Speaker 2 college at SEC.

Speaker 1 Because he could run the entire just like,

Speaker 1 yeah. Yeah.
And we heard whenever he was coached, he was general manager anyways.

Speaker 1 I mean, what would be really cool is full arc to this thing, they signed Pete Carroll to a three-year deal just to establish the culture and then bring in the younger guy.

Speaker 1 And John Gruden's that younger guy they were planning on. On three sports reported, which, by the way, respect their work.

Speaker 1 I've been keeping up with that. They've been helping me out a lot as I prepare going into the season, and they're a great follow.
I believe rivals in them are

Speaker 1 partnered. John Gruden expressed his desire to coach again while talking to Georgia Bulldogs.
This is via Barstool Gruden, which is an incredible social media account. I'm being honest with you.

Speaker 1 I do not bullshit either. I want to coach again, man.
I got to a coach in the SEC. I would love it.
I would fucking love it.

Speaker 3 There's a couple schools it might need.

Speaker 2 He's an SEC football coach.

Speaker 6 Someone's going to snatch him up. Someone has to.
He loves ball.

Speaker 1 Loves ball. Imagine him as a recruiter.

Speaker 6 Imagine him recruiting.

Speaker 3 He loves coaching.

Speaker 1 Just loves all of it. All of it.
Yeah. And even when he was casted off from the world, still every morning, we're watching tape, man.
Yeah. We're watching tape, man.

Speaker 1 I assume there is some jaded feelings from Gruden. And also, there's a lot of people that say, hey, hey, he did something that's worthy of a huge punishment.
I get that.

Speaker 1 But him and the NFL are going to need to

Speaker 1 come to the table. Yeah.
Put our swords down. And I think John Gruden's, he's

Speaker 1 acting as general manager before.

Speaker 1 I think he understands a little leverage.

Speaker 4 I think he does, too. I don't know if John Gruden's going to be putting his sword down.
I think the NFL might need to put their sword down on the table.

Speaker 1 John Gruden might be handing his sword to Jay. Hey, go stab Goodell in the face.

Speaker 1 Jay Gruden, I will say he also has a fantastic social media. He does.
Uh-huh. That mine stir in the pot.
He brings it. He does bring it.

Speaker 1 You know what, actually? NFL, why don't you just release Jay Gruden's emails? I'd love to see Jay.

Speaker 1 That'd be cool. Why don't we just do the Gruden family? That's a wild thing.
The Discovery thing is the move. That is the...

Speaker 1 That is always the.

Speaker 2 Nobody wants to discover it.

Speaker 1 Going through the entire Brett thing, it was like, huh?

Speaker 1 Well, it shows you who the the bad people are. Yeah, I'm cool with it.
What do we

Speaker 1 let them know? Sweet. I feel like my life is monitored 24-7.
IMA, okay? Yeah, but what about conversations you had in text? I feel like my life is monitored. Yeah, but what about your text messages?

Speaker 1 I feel like my life is monitored 24-7. So they can discover whatever the fuck they want to discover.

Speaker 1 Are you sure?

Speaker 1 Yes. 100%.

Speaker 1 All right, we've never had anybody this confident.

Speaker 1 We let them know. It's like, go ahead, do it.
I've lived legitimately, and I think Nick will tell you this since, I don't know, maybe my rookie. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Just, I feel like people are just watching everything you do, and it's like, I honestly believe you should operate in that fashion. Like, hey, you are getting watched and followed.

Speaker 1 The thought that his emails were the only ones that were released, but also how loose people were in emails. It's like, that is.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, old people's text.

Speaker 1 Text messages. Yeah.
That was like the evolution, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, it started with letters. You saw Lamar Hunt's letter.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, second bullet point. Like, let me get rid of this fucking guy.
Yeah, please.

Speaker 3 You think Jerry Jones likes John Groot?

Speaker 1 Not right now. I'd say he is probably one of the ones telling Goodell we don't give him a fucking dollar.

Speaker 3 I'm just trying to connect dots because, you know,

Speaker 3 we love Sam Pittman, we love drinking cold beer, but there's a rumor that, you know, this could be the last year at Arkansas. So if Jerry's got any respect for John,

Speaker 1 John Groot in Arkansas? Woo-pig Suey?

Speaker 1 Holy shit. With that fan base.
That'd be perfect. And I assume, yeah, do they have money? I don't know.
I heard what he's saying. If Jerry basketball

Speaker 1 parry, that's the problem. They might have gave all the money.
They might have picked. Who else? They got John Daly.

Speaker 1 Cal.

Speaker 2 You can't pick basketball over football in Arkansas.

Speaker 1 No, dude,

Speaker 1 the SEC runs college basketball, too. Florida just won it.
Some of these teams, they

Speaker 1 Isn't Arkansas good at baseball? They're good at everything, though, but football, I thought, when it comes to those sports. Didn't they have promised air football there for a little bit?

Speaker 3 They did for sure. I mean, especially when who were the two running backs?

Speaker 1 Darren McFadden.

Speaker 3 Darren McFadden and Felix Jones.

Speaker 1 Who was the recent quarterback?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Matt Jones is quarterback. Ryan Mallett.
No, Matt, rest in peace, Ryan Mallet.

Speaker 1 I had a chance to have a good time with Ryan Mallett in Arkansas, which on daily. Feels like that is a night that we should always look back on

Speaker 1 with high, high love Ryan. Remembrance, he was so cool to me.
Yeah, everybody, I think. Super cool.
Great vibes. Great vibes.
All the time.

Speaker 1 Arkansas, though, that is a fan base, I think, that is very much committed to KJ Jefferson. Hungry year.
There it is.

Speaker 1 That's his name. KJ Jefferson.
UCF. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And then he late.
Yeah. Boom.
It is who. John Gruden in Arkansas.
That would be crazy. Auburn, too.

Speaker 4 They don't have a good year.

Speaker 1 Get Hugh out.

Speaker 1 And, you you know. You watch the SEC documentary? Exactly.
I think Gruden would do well in Auburn.

Speaker 1 Would you want them to do another SEC documentary? I absolutely would.

Speaker 1 I am realizing that I pounded the drum very hard for the show, and I stand by that.

Speaker 1 But while talking about it, there are some parts of the show that suck that I might have been on my phone for.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is background. We're watching.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 There are very specific parts. When it's not the football, and it is the interviews of the college football historians, if you will, one guy gets a lot of play.
A lot of play. And he knows who he is.

Speaker 1 And he knows that probably after he said to himself, I hope they don't use too much of me because

Speaker 1 I don't know if everyone's going to love me on the show.

Speaker 3 Does he feel like a Selma guy?

Speaker 1 He is the worst.

Speaker 1 You need a good guy. He's the only one in every episode.

Speaker 1 He's the only one in every episode.

Speaker 1 But the football stuff, the the players the coaches that stuff is second to none i love i got a long flight coming up i plan on watching that yeah longest flight available you'll know when you when you see him actually that's what it is

Speaker 1 it's crazy it is crazy some moments in games they could have talked about too i agree some moment that's what i that's the other thing we talked about how they they might have avoided big calls that were either missed or not talked about and then when you look back on the you know the sec the biggest moments you think of are typically with georgia and Bama and Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 And those three teams weren't featured on the show. Like they had the Bama Vanderbilt, which was sick because it was all the Vanderbilt

Speaker 1 side of it. Yeah, like them leading into the game, them losing to Missouri.
I forgot about that one. Missouri was seventh in the country, and Vanderbilt goes in and loses in overtime on a missed kick.

Speaker 1 Like they probably should have beaten Missouri, too. There are many things throughout the thing.

Speaker 1 One of the things we talked about with the LSU team is we wonder if they did more stuff with Kyron Lacey, but Kyron Lacey passed away before the draft this year.

Speaker 1 So, like, did they just cut that entire section out? Because the times of episodes is interesting.

Speaker 1 Some of them were an hour, some of them were 50, kind of similar, but then there was two 35s, I think. Interesting.
Yeah, which never happened. I like, though, not,

Speaker 1 I like keeping it a guessing game. Yeah.
I like, hey, this is what it's going to be. I haven't had a chance to watch it.
I like it. I like all the documentary sports stuff we have.

Speaker 1 Obviously, hard knocks is happening right in front of our eyes here. Quarterback, obviously, new season of that.
SEC out there.

Speaker 1 The basketball stuff that we just kind of skip by, a lot of good clips are coming out of that shit.

Speaker 4 That's got to be coming out sometime soon, right? The one they did this past year with Tyrese.

Speaker 1 And that's going to be very starting early October, I think, was

Speaker 1 right before the season starts. And then,

Speaker 1 did you say the Jerry Jones Cowboys one? No, it's coming out in August. Next 19th, next week.

Speaker 3 Things get quiet. I just like to stir it up.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys are always going to be a part of your life.

Speaker 1 Do you think this

Speaker 1 not get into it? Let's get out of here.

Speaker 1 It was a good day. What's the hell yeah?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 I have, throughout my life, I've had respect for certain business people.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Steve Jobs, top of the list

Speaker 1 up here. Okay.
Bad dad, I get it.

Speaker 1 Everything else, you're welcome, basically, in the way he, well, you didn't build it himself. Okay.
All right. Let's all relax with that.

Speaker 1 Jerry Jones was one one of the guys that I viewed as a business person, like Vince McMahon. Obviously, everything that's come out,

Speaker 1 that's the personal side. But business-wise, what he did and how he did it and what he created, it's like this dude is a fucking.

Speaker 1 Now, once again, just like with sometimes these very high-level people are going to have other traits that aren't necessarily the greatest in everybody's eyes or whatever.

Speaker 1 But it's like Jerry Jones was a trailblazer. like when it came to football ownership and ownership of sports teams and everything like that.

Speaker 1 So I got massive respect for his story and how he goes about doing his business and what he made the Cowboys into.

Speaker 1 And obviously they were the first ever sports franchise to be valued at over $10 billion. Now I believe there's a few others that have been valued up over 10 billion.

Speaker 1 The Rams in LA, the Giants obviously in New York, New Jersey, and the Dallas Cowboys top the Sportico list. Now, Sportico, I got a lot of respect for.
I appreciate Sportico.

Speaker 1 I've also seen internet things try to predict valuations or net worths and things like that and not have a clue what they're talking about but it seems as if everybody kind of just thinks this is on board especially if you go with the comps with teams that have been sold and what other leagues are doing yada yada yada so it's like i've always had respect for what jerry has done as a business person building up the most valuable sports franchise on earth is obviously an incredible feat as somebody that is in the sports world okay with that being said like the last five years 10 years since we've been doing the show really it's like there's a lot of like what are you doing like what you know like there is fun

Speaker 1 there are a lot of that and it's like, I've always viewed him as like, yep, Jerry will get it, like, just like Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick will figure it out.

Speaker 1 Like, that is if Bill Belichick signed somebody, Bill Belichick will figure it out. Like, there's certain people like I view Jerry like that, like, Jerry's doing this for a reason.

Speaker 1 Like, there is a reason Jerry's doing it. There's been some shit, though, that has popped up on a more regular basis as of late.
That's like, this feels dumb. Why would you say this?

Speaker 1 Has he lost his fastball?

Speaker 1 And I guess that's what Dallas Cowboys and other people, but I just want to, I think I'm late to the game and asking that question strictly because I've been like, this guy, this guy is a, he's a fucking gambler.

Speaker 1 He's a fucking, he,

Speaker 1 pioneer. He's a, and he's.

Speaker 2 He's got to respect that. Yeah, he's unique.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he's not perfect. There's a lot of things that he has done that are not perfect, but he's a fucking, he goes for it, you know, which I respect.

Speaker 1 And it's like, as of late, it's like, man, a lot of dumb shit saying that. A lot.
You know what I mean? You got to respect.

Speaker 2 And we're football,

Speaker 2 former players, so we know, you know, what, okay, it doesn't add up when it comes to winning. The business part of it, though, you know, you can't knock it at all.

Speaker 2 And what I respect more about him, because we were down there, Cotton Bowl, yeah,

Speaker 1 Texas, Ohio State.

Speaker 2 Texas, oh, yeah, so, and like, just how much of his family is ingrained into the business. Well, I respect that.
We saw what he talked about in landman, but he really lives that shit.

Speaker 2 So, I definitely respect that. But the last five, ten years, we see so much more.

Speaker 2 We have so much more access into not only what's going on with the Cowboys, what's going on with everybody around different leagues. You know, everybody has their inside, oh, we're in a war room here.

Speaker 2 This deal is getting done here. So now we see it.

Speaker 2 We're on the pitch at burnley yeah we're in all exactly we're everywhere now so now you see that compared to what jerry's doing it's like okay what the hell is he doing and he's always like he said he likes to stir it up and then you look at the valuation it's like all right that's that's what he's doing i guess it's working everything he's doing is working aj legit but the cowboys are always going to be you know prime time big name hopefully right they don't think that could ever be tarnished right to where like We understand the Cowboys haven't had the success they want, but they're always going to be like that franchise, don't you think?

Speaker 6 Even long after Jerry?

Speaker 1 I don't know. How many Cowboys fans do you know? I think Cowboys fans are like really Cowboys fans.
Yeah, but the NFL, the NFL also loves Dallas.

Speaker 1 Like, the NFL is never going to want the world's most expensive franchise to start turning the other way. We'll have to always.

Speaker 4 We'll have to see, though, because he's one of one.

Speaker 4 So, like, after he passes away, like, I get it's his kids and they've been around and they've worked with him a lot, but like, we'll see how much how much things change.

Speaker 1 Yeah, how much shit are they going to stir up? Right. Don't forget, but how much

Speaker 1 He was one of the first AI holograms I've seen in a wall. Yeah.

Speaker 3 AI Jerry's got it.

Speaker 1 He's got the blueprint for what everyone else is trying to do, though. Like,

Speaker 1 where does it go, do you think, when it comes to stuff around the stadium, like the Jerry Worlds own it all? Like, is there another step to that? Because the Cowboys are already there.

Speaker 1 The casino is the move. If you can get a casino.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's, I don't know if anybody's been able to pull that off. Texas, no, that was the whole Dallas Mavericks thing.
No, but I thought New England was trying, right? Wasn't that the thing?

Speaker 1 New England was like trying to get a casino in there, I think, at the time. Yeah, and then they put in the first ever casino in Massachusetts.

Speaker 1 They did put in like five years ago, but that's by Boston. Yeah, there wasn't a, I think every the goal

Speaker 1 would be hotel,

Speaker 1 restaurants, shops, casino,

Speaker 1 state. Yeah, that I think that would be the goal.
Is that

Speaker 2 legal?

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 see, I thought at plans for

Speaker 1 conflict of interest.

Speaker 1 Wasn't the thing with the NFL guys was if

Speaker 1 the Colts went to New England, New England players couldn't gamble at a casino in New England, but the Colts players could. No, that's a college thing, I think.
That's a college.

Speaker 1 Different kids from different colleges weren't able to gamble in the state in which they went to college. I think New Jersey had one of those.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's for sure. Yeah, there was another one.
I forget what it was. Yeah, no, I thought it was Illinois.
It's a lot of states. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Some say as a human being, you're not allowed to.

Speaker 1 I forget what we were allowed to do.

Speaker 2 You can't bet on Yukon.

Speaker 1 We weren't allowed to take any free rooms or free drinks, I think, is like the rule. We were allowed to play blackjack, but we weren't allowed to accept any of the benefits.
Oh.

Speaker 1 I think was the rule, if I remember right. When you're in the league or in college? In the league.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. Certain questions.
Because at one point, Tony Romo wasn't even allowed to go to a fantasy football convention. Yeah,

Speaker 1 then they changed the rule because of how big that story got pretty big.

Speaker 1 Then there was like a rule change where it's like, like you're allowed to go to a casino and play blackjack, but you're not allowed to get the free room or something.

Speaker 1 Like I forget what the, because I was very interested. I was a guy on Blue, I would say.
I had a craps table underneath my kitchen table in my first house.

Speaker 1 You know, like I enjoy trying to strike it big and trying to win, but I also don't want to lose my job because of it. You know, like scratchers, shit like that.
Colts had scratchers.

Speaker 1 I was one of my, I asked a question in a meeting and Chuck came up to me the next day and was like, Do you like it here?

Speaker 1 I was like, Yeah, so let's not fucking

Speaker 1 get a scratch off. Colts are allowed to have a scratch off.
Why am I not allowed to have a scratch-off? I think I could do great in the scratch-off industry here in Indiana.

Speaker 1 I could just get with a state lottery, get scratch-offs, put them in gas stations. I think I'd do well with that.
Colts are allowed to have one. I'm not allowed to have one.
Why is that?

Speaker 1 We'll get back to that meeting. Obviously, it keeps moving.
Chuck, literally, hey, come on. Jesus Christ.
Just

Speaker 1 fucking drop it. Just stop.
It was fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 I laugh so hard whenever you say he's like, what? Just, we don't need that. All right.
Scratchers.

Speaker 1 Scratchers.

Speaker 1 Just fucking keep buying them. Shut up.

Speaker 1 You're right, dude. But it's always been sports and gambling has been like very...

Speaker 1 Yeah. But it's also like society now.
Wow. Yeah, it's an interesting.
That's just like weed too, man. You know, you talk about like weed.

Speaker 1 Whenever that was happening, Colorado, you could smoke weed legally as a citizen there, but in the United States of Goodell, you could not.

Speaker 1 Like, don't even think about it. Don't even think about it.
So what? Your entire neighborhood can. And it's right there across the street.
You're not allowed in our league, but not allowed to do.

Speaker 1 Now, like, as it's becoming more and more, it's like they've lowered the rate in which they test for. Inevitably, that's going to end up being at zero.
Players are going to have to give up a bunch.

Speaker 1 It's like, but that's kind of how the whole world's all kind of coming in together, right? Yeah. And it's a good thing.
It's about time. But can't

Speaker 1 sports betting in the players cannot gamble.

Speaker 2 Michael Porter Jr.? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you see that? Talking about his brother? Yeah. What happened? And a lot of people were really making fun of his brother because of what he said.

Speaker 1 What happened? Michael Porton Jr. basically said, like, you know, when you become a professional athlete and you have all this money, like, a lot of people have vices.
Like, my vice is woman.

Speaker 1 My brother's vice

Speaker 1 was gambling because he couldn't get any girls. And then

Speaker 1 that's what people took it as. And then.
And then they just continued to bear. He gambled a little bit too much.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 his vices were the end of him.

Speaker 2 He was like, hey, man, what if I

Speaker 2 tell all my boys, hey, take the under,

Speaker 2 bet 10 grand.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Come from nothing.
Take the under.

Speaker 2 I fake an injury.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. We can't do that.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying. You gotta.

Speaker 4 I can't do that. Certainly don't need to be talking about it on a podcast either.

Speaker 1 It's Michael Porter Jr.

Speaker 1 Brothers, which I will never see. No, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 For sure.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 It's all getting better.

Speaker 1 We know so much.

Speaker 1 But do we know it all?

Speaker 1 Never will. Never.
Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.
We're going to sitting together. We'll see you tomorrow.
Team on me. Team on three.
One, two, three. Team.

Speaker 1 Goodbye.