PMS 2.0 1368 - Champion Wednesday With Shams Charania, Alex Caruso, Keegan Bradley, Jake Paul, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome.

On this champion Wednesday, June 25th, 2025, this program begins now.

Champions!

Are all over today's show.

That's right, ladies and gentlemen.

We will be joined today by Alex Caruso, who is a two-time, two-time NBA champion.

And obviously, he's fresh off of a parade that happened yesterday in Oklahoma City.

A lot of people on the internet were talking a little bit of shit on the parade in Oklahoma City.

Then we found some new angles.

I think that parade did just fine over there in OKC as the entire state showed up to celebrate the hell out of their first ever title.

Caruso obviously had won one in the past with the Lakers, I believe in 2020.

Now he wins with the Oklahoma City Thunder and now he has a Mount Rushmore shirt on with his face on all four Mount Rushmore spots.

That is up for debate.

We will certainly ask ask him about it and how he is feeling after beating the Indiana Pacers in a seven-game NBA Final Series that brought him more ratings than years past.

We'll also be joined by Keegan Bradley.

Whoa.

Just won a Travelers Championship this past weekend.

He's also Captain America for Ryder Cup, and he has the third best odds to win this weekend at the E.

Rocket Market Mortgage.

In Detroit.

I had it, man.

I had it, man.

Foxy said, not quick enough.

Foxy said, hey, that's in Detroit.

That's from a Michigan State grad putting that tournament on.

Oh, yeah.

Dan Gilbert runs that thing.

He wants to bring golf back to Detroit.

They love it every year.

It's been a great tournament the last couple of years.

Keegan Bradley, third best odds to win that particular tournament this weekend, fresh off of the Travelers Championship.

We chatted with him this morning for about 16 minutes or so.

Spoiler alert, God knows the show.

He really did.

I mean, he really gives a couple of speeches in there, a couple conversations.

We'll debut that at about 1.05 Eastern Time.

We'll also be joined by Shyam Sharanya here in about eight minutes or so.

And then Jake Paul will join us.

Oh.

Yeah, Jake Paul has a massive fight this weekend against Cesar Chavez Jr.

Julio Cesar Chavez, yeah.

Yeah, sorry.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., that's 100% on me.

He has 61 total fights, okay, in his fighting career, boxing career.

Jake, this will be his 13th fight.

So a little bit difference in experience.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

is still fighting, had a fight last year, actually.

So he's still an active boxer.

He is 39 years old, 38, 39 years old.

So people, I guess, are going after Jake for that particular case.

People are going to go after Jake in a lot of different ways.

I feel like Jake has put out open challenges to anybody in boxing that would fight him.

This feels like a big one for him.

And they're also reporting that if he wins this, there's a chance he's going to be ranked.

in the official boxing rankings.

And then if he continues to climb, he'll have a shot at a real title, which is what Jake Paul has said he is committed to doing.

A lot of people thought this was an attention-grabbing situation for Jake Paul to get into boxing because his life had been attention grabbing.

He was an influencer, a content creator, a man who trailblazed alongside of his brother on social media platforms, actually put one platform out of business.

Vine, see ya, we're gone.

You're going to start splitting some money with us, all of us, not just us, but all of us, or we're going to leave.

They leave, Vine.

Vine says, you get you, you think you're going to see ya.

Vine's dead.

Vine was a great platform.

Vine was.

Vine was a great platform.

But then obviously Jake and Logan come over to YouTube, do the entire thing.

I mean, you're talking about business savants.

And they've certainly not made the best decisions all the time.

When you're living life in the public eye, especially whenever you're trying to pave your own road, you're going to fuck up every once in a while.

They certainly did.

But I think after getting to meet and watch Logan Paul do his thing, and then now getting a chance to watch Jake, who is fully committed to being a boxer, his content is fully boxing related for like what the last five, six, I don't know how many years it's been.

Long time.

It's been a long time.

I have massive respect for two boys from Ohio that have obviously carved their own lane in this entire world.

And Jake will join us in the next hour.

He always says something that pisses everybody off.

For sure.

He'll say something in there.

Are you kidding me with this whole thing?

He's remained.

wildly committed to boxing, especially with how difficult boxing training is.

I mean, that's hard.

Cardio is obviously impossible.

You got to take shots.

You got to get beat up to beat people up.

And he's just committed to it after already being an incredibly successful person.

His brother, I think, does the celebrity fights.

Okay.

Sure.

Jake Paul is a celebrity celebrity who I think is boxing.

So there's a little bit two different animals in the entirety of it all.

But we appreciate any time he comes on.

I can't wait to hear what he's thinking about going into this weekend.

Obviously, the Tyson fight, a lot of people had a lot to say about.

I don't think we've talked to him since then.

No, we haven't.

Talks at Table at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt.

Ty, do you see the jacket that the guy sitting next to you is wearing right now?

I do.

I absolutely love it.

Connor was born to wear this jacket.

I can't believe this is the first day we're seeing it.

I'm not going to give away what it says on the back.

I'll let you kind of go through that.

But you were.

You were born to wear that jacket.

You'll probably be buried in that jacket.

You look unbelievable in that jacket.

Thank you.

Thank you guys very much.

I know what I wear can sometimes stir a little bit of controversy at times, especially in this office, but it feels like this one, you know,

no BS.

I look like the man.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Well said, well said.

To really describe it aside from that.

That's it.

I think there's a chance that I never take this off.

I wish I knew that it was Champions Wednesday.

When I woke up this morning, I would have worn my leather pants, you know, just gotten the full 100% leather outfit.

No BS.

No BS in this.

I look like the man.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

That is what you just said.

And you emphasized it by letting me know.

Yeah, because that was a true statement there.

That is no BS.

You do look like the man.

If you were to walk into any place.

If you were to walk into any place in the home, people would probably be saying that to you as you walked in.

They're not asking my pronouns because they know they're him if i'm walking into any place where it's something like this oh how you doing

i am him

how you doing

i am him

how you doing once again i am him i think i could do that at a i might go to the the biggest dive bar in indiana after this and do how many sigs i mean look I still have a few from Coach Siggy, but that's the thing.

I can't even put these fake ones in my mouth because they'll combust.

You look outrageous.

Thank you very much.

No, no problem.

You look good.

Nine-year-on NFL vet.

Darius J.

Butler always looks cool.

He says you look cool as well.

I think that's a big Tom Patrick.

I mean, you got the, what's that, the ghost squad?

I don't want to get it wrong.

The ghost army you're talking about.

Yeah, there it is.

Yeah, classic World War II story, I guess, that doesn't get talked about enough about a platoon, I believe, of people that were like staging fake bases.

So that

obviously the enemies thought that that was the real one.

So they would attack there and then bang, bang we're coming it was called the ghost army and wwe they have their own ghost army which is the production crew everybody that puts everything together and they are a group of legends an absolute legendary group but it comes from an actual story of the ghost army in world war ii and then the ghost army was a special top secret u.s army army unit during world war ii officially known as the 23rd headquarters special troops this 1100 man unit was tasked with using visual, sonic, and radio deception to mislead German forces about the size and location of Allied troops.

They employed inflatable takes, fake radio traffic, sound effects, and other ruses to simulate much larger force.

So the ghost army was like, ha-ha!

Boom!

Tatter-tat.

It was, uh, so in the WWE, they paid tribute to that particular story in that group by like the production crews, like the ghost army.

It's a job, job haymakers.

Yeah, it is a, well, I think it's actually like a faint,

faint.

Faint, faint.

Boom.

Coming at you.

But anyways, debuck, shout out to the production crew at WWE, by the way.

I appreciate the polo.

Gonna wear it on the golf golf course.

Maybe it makes me better.

Oh, okay.

Maybe.

If I pick up the game again.

You will.

You said he looked cool.

Yeah, my first, when I walked in, I had a very similar reaction to you.

You know, I usually come in and say, what up to the boys?

Just, what the fuck?

I did see the back.

Yeah.

We didn't get it to be.

I saw the back first.

And it was whispers about this particular jacket yesterday after the show.

So, I mean.

I believe this particular jacket was found in the Thunderdome.

It was.

Well, I don't know how.

I think it was found, and it also picked somebody.

I think, more so.

Oh, you think that jacket was found, and then it said, Get me on that man's shoulders.

I didn't find this jacket.

This jacket found me.

Are you going to tell people what's on the back of that, or are we not?

I think that might be some, you know, movie magic that we say for later.

I don't know.

It's a long program.

You're going to have to stick around to find out, people.

Boxy just tried to catch you.

I saw it.

Yeah.

I saw it.

I thought he was going to turn.

Oh, that's what you have to wait and see.

Himothy Campbell.

He's already given a couple of people.

Yeah, you're right.

This is Connor Himothy Campbell.

That's right.

Right there.

Okay, some big news broke last night.

Congrats to the Dallas Mavericks and Kyrie Irving.

I guess he had a player option or something.

I don't know how the NBA thing works.

He ended up getting

three years, $119 million deal that he just signed for to remain in the Dallas Mavericks organization.

Obviously, the Dallas Mavericks have the number one overall pick.

this evening, and all eyes are on the main event.

Joining us now with some breaking news and maybe some more intel on what you would would expect this evening with the NBA draft.

Senior NBA insider for the ESPN, friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen, Sean Shiron.

Sean's good to see you.

I hear there's some breaking news.

Let's hold off on that for about a half a beat or so.

Let's talk about Kyrie's deal getting done before the draft here.

What does that indicate?

What does that mean?

And I'm pumped for Kyrie.

I assume Dallas is excited for this next era.

Yeah, Pat, this is a Mavericks organization that the easiest decision that they have will be tonight, and that's drafting Cooper flag.

There's other things on this docket for Nico Harrison, Jason Kidd, and that organization.

One was taking care of Daniel Gafford a couple days ago.

They reached agreement three years about $60 million in an extension.

So he's there for the long haul.

But Kyrie Irving had a $43 million player option.

And what made his decision so important is if he opted into that deal, the Mavericks would not have had the ability to go out and use their taxpayer mid-level exception of over $5 million to go get a starting caliber, a player that they feel can come in and start while Kyrie Irving is out potentially until January or February with that torn ACL.

So they've been in negotiations for the last really week or so to figure out what does it look like for Kyrie Irving as a member of the Dallas Mavericks.

And so if he opted in, they had some issues.

But they were able to reach agreement on a three-year, $119 million deal.

I actually spoke to Kyrie Irving late last night and he told me his decision

was made for three reasons.

One, he wanted to show show commitment to Dallas.

He feels like they've been committed to him.

He wants to build a legacy in Dallas.

We know what happened in Brooklyn.

There was a tumultuous exit out of Brooklyn.

Now he feels like he's in a home environment.

And the third pillar is he really does believe in hearing his voice that this Mavericks team can win a championship when he's whole again.

They have Anthony Davis.

They're going to have Cooper Flag.

They have arguably the best front court in the league with Cooper Flag, Anthony Davis, Derrick Loudley II, and Daniel Gafford.

They have Clay Thompson at the wing as a shooter.

So we'll see how Nico Harris in that organization is able to round out this roster.

A couple players to keep an eye on with that taxpayer mid-level.

D'Angelo Russell, Malcolm Brogdon, Chris Paul.

All potential options for the Mavericks with the taxpayer mid-level exception.

So this is a deal they got done.

Kyrie Irving, $40 million per year essentially.

He's going to stay in Dallas.

And for the Mavericks, this is good news because they're able to keep their core together for a period of time here.

Congrats to Nico on seemingly piecing together a team that he thinks is going to be, be they're going to bop wood too on the defensive side.

He likes to play defense down there with the Dallas Mavericks organization.

And Nico might get the last laugh or last laugh on everybody.

Let's talk about some breaking news for today, Sean's.

I do believe you have.

So we do have breaking news.

Houston Rockets guard Fred Van Vliet intends to sign a new two-year, $50 million

contract to stay with the Rockets.

He's going to have a player option in the second season in 2026-27.

And this essentially gives him five more million dollars than the team option that the Rockets have.

So the Rockets are declining a $44.9 million

team option for Fred Van Vli to give this two-year deal to him.

And the Rockets negotiated this deal with Clutch Sports CEO Rich Paul.

And they were able to land a deal that now gives the Rockets flexibility, gives him some comfort in having a two-year deal with a player option.

And next offseason, there is going to be some more salary cap room across the league league for Fred Van Vliet.

But listen, over the last 11 days, we've seen the Rockets extend Stephen Adams on a three-year $39 million deal.

We've seen them trade for Kevin Durant.

In the middle of all that, they extended Ime Udoka on a long-term contract extension, gave him eight figures annually per year.

And now they do this new deal with Fred Van Vliet.

So Rockets ownership, Tillman Fertida, They had big decisions a couple years ago.

What direction were they going to go in?

And they signed Fred Van Vliet.

They signed Dylan Brooks, two very important veterans to this team that now is in a position where a lot of people believe they are a championship, one of the championship favorites going into next season.

And even though this is a two-year deal, I'm told this is a partnership both sides expect to continue for years to come.

Very active down there in Houston.

The Houstonians, we heard Parker McCollum yesterday talk about how every sport, we're going to win.

That's what's going to happen down here in Houston.

Said he didn't like the dynamo, though.

They need to pick it up, especially if you see what the Rockets are doing.

Bringing KD down there is just such a massive move.

Then keeping your guy, Rich Paul, negotiating a deal to get $6 million more bucks to stay with the team, even though the team had him for $44.9 million, always working.

Player option next year.

Hey, you can decide what you want to do next year.

Let's go ahead and win it this year.

Love what Houston's doing.

Congrats to them.

All right, let's talk about some more moves that are happening that are lighting up the headlines around the NBA.

Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, Sean, just like you predicted.

a few months ago, the Celtics are officially blowing up the team that brought them the title.

What are are you hearing when it comes to the Celtics?

Parzingis, you know, he's been moved to Atlanta in a three-team trade with Brooklyn.

And then, of course,

I think it was two days ago, maybe yesterday, Drew Holiday gets traded as well to Portland.

Kind of rumblings that he's not too, too happy about that.

What are you hearing when it comes to both of these trades?

And are we going to see another trade here for Boston before?

the draft starts tonight because it feels as though if that doesn't happen before the draft then it's probably not happening BC, we did try to give people a heads up.

I mean, it's not a warning that a lot of Boston fans wanted to hear, but we did warn the people.

We did warn the people.

What we saw in a 24-hour period was essentially the Celtics getting out of the second apron.

They shed about $180 million in taxes.

So the mission in a lot of ways was accomplished and the dismantling.

has happened and they got rid of two very critical components to that 2024 NBA championship team.

So now, of course, all eyes are going to be on Jalen Brown, Derrick White.

My sense this morning, on the morning of the NBA draft, unless a team blows the Celtics out of the water, they prefer to keep both Jalen Brown and Derek White.

But again, they are still a first apron team in the tax.

They're still a luxury tax paying team.

Their phone lines are open.

They're ringing.

They're open to the conversations.

At minimum, I think players like Sam Hauser, Anthony Simons, we could see potentially being discussed even more.

But they've got a very very high price threshold on Jalen Brown and Derek White, from my understanding, from talking to people around the league.

Like, if they are going to move either of them, it's going to be a massive haul that they'll get.

So they've accomplished the task in a one, two-day period of getting out of the second apron, the dreaded second apron.

But there are still questions of what happens.

But again, unless someone blows them out of the water, they've given indications that potentially they're just going to move forward.

But we'll see.

It is the morning of the NBA draft.

Okay, morning of the NBA draft.

You said that earlier.

That's a great transition for what I was going to ask.

Are we going to see a lot of action tonight?

It feels like everybody that's been talking about it says there's going to be a lot of action.

Does that mean players?

Because I heard you just say probably not with the Boston Celtics players.

I think the last time a big player move happened on draft night, you and I talked about this earlier, was Jimmy Butler years ago.

Is there going to be a lot of movement tonight and who's and what's going to move if there is movement?

Yeah,

the big player movement usually happens in the lead up to the NBA draft or after the NBA draft.

The NBA draft is usually what we see and what we're going to see tonight, Pat.

In the last 20 years, about eight first-round picks are being moved, shifted around on draft day.

So far, we've already seen four going into draft day.

So could there be a half dozen more, 10 more?

Potentially.

In the lottery, it's tough, but could I see about a half a dozen and picks moving up, picks moving down in the first round?

For sure.

I do get the sense that starting at pick three and pick four, those teams are going to be, you know, three, four, five, those teams are going to be all ears when they're up to draft.

Is there a team that's going to move up to one of those positions and give up future assets?

So I definitely think there's a chance we're going to see some significant pick movement.

But listen, at one, Cooper flag.

Number two, the Spurs do seem pretty zeroed in on Dylan Harper.

They feel like at six foot six, his ability to play positionless basketball, which is exactly what we saw during the NBA Finals, right?

With the Pacers and Thunder, it's guys that compete two-way ability, lengthy, active on both ends.

And so they really view Dylan Harper in that same light.

Even though they have DeA'aron Fox and Stefan Castle, they feel like Dylan Harper can fit right in.

Okay, so you said, congrats to Harper, by the way.

It sounds like he's number two overall pick.

Number one overall pick.

Then you said three, four, five can get interesting.

And I don't think anybody's been saying who exactly number three is going to be because it sounds like we don't know what team's potentially going to trade there.

But there has been a player that has certainly rippled some headlines.

Go ahead, Debo.

Yeah, certainly talented enough.

Harper's teammate, Ace Bailey.

Any news on him, where he may go tonight in the draft?

DB, I spoke to a source close to him this week, and they said that they are very confident and comfortable with where he'll end up in the draft.

They feel like whether it's as high as three or as low as eight or nine, they feel like he'll land exactly where he wants to be.

And only time will tell.

I said it when we were together in Indy.

Like, he's either got a method to the madness or all the critics are right.

And I do think there is enough evidence right now that shows that, listen, between three and eight, somewhere in that range, a team will draft Ace Bailey.

It might not be where he wants to go, but this is not a guy that many here on the league expect to fall much past, you know, that high lottery position.

But of course, this process has been unorthodox.

Maybe we'll get more information that maybe he has done a private visit that no one knows about.

But as of right now, there's been nothing formal on the record in my conversations with teams in that high lottery position.

Teams still have not been able to bring him in for a workout.

So we'll get more information soon.

I'll be digging more soon, but my feel is he has a good idea and a good feel for what's going to happen tonight.

I heard a clip earlier.

He said, I'm just focusing on ball.

I'm just focusing on ball.

I loved it.

I love the answer.

And I hope this works out for him.

And if he says, we got a spot that we're going to, we've talked about this, I think, in a lead-up about him multiple times.

Maybe team made a promise.

Now teams lie.

Oh, teams lie in a lot of things, but maybe there is an understanding at a deeper level.

Okay, let's talk more about some,

you know, not rookies coming in.

Let's talk about some established players, maybe a little bit more movement happening in the city of stars.

Go ahead, Ty.

Yeah, Shams, do you have any update on what the Lakers are planning on doing?

We saw the reports coming out yesterday that said, you know, Luca is committed to getting in shape and, you know, working on his cardio, and he's done a lot of that already.

Slim, yeah, Slim, exactly.

And then a report came out last night, too, that they might be interested in jazz center Walker Kessler.

We obviously know last year they were trying to get a center, you know, at the deadline.

That fell apart.

What are the Lakers going to do?

Because they obviously can't just run it back and do what they did last year.

The Lakers

have had interest in Walker Kessler for years now, at least the last couple years.

But the price tag that the Utah Jazz have had has always been very extreme.

Multiple, multiple first-round picks.

For sure, I would assume that they've called on Walker Kessler.

I think they've called on multiple centers around the league.

That's their biggest need.

And Rob Polinka

has said it openly that we are going to address the center position this offseason.

They have a second-round pick in the draft tonight.

They do have a few tradable salaries as well.

Players like Jared Vanderbilt, Rui Hachiyamura.

Do they want to do something there?

Is there something with Austin Reeves?

I think they're going to have to be open-minded.

How do you put the best roster around Luka Dantich, LeBron James?

They've said they want to keep Austin Reeves as part of that big three there as well.

But center is definitely the position to keep an eye on.

That's the spot that they're trying to upgrade.

And I think tonight, tomorrow, and in the free agency as well.

The free agency period is one that they can utilize as well.

Actually, there's going to be three or four pretty notable centers.

Brooke Lopez, Clint Capella, Al Horford.

And Al Horford right now, guys, you know,

what's come of Jason Tatum potentially missing all of next season is this uncertainty around Boston.

And that's allowed other teams to really start preparing to go after players, whether it's trying to get a Drew Holiday, a Porzingis, a Jalen Brown, all of those types of guys.

Derek White.

And

Derek White as well.

But Al Horford is one of those players as well.

And I am told he has a pretty robust free agency market outside of Boston, potentially, this offseason.

Is he going to play till he's 50?

Who knows?

We shall see.

He really looks like he could.

He looks the exact same as he did like 50 years ago.

I've been watching Al Horford play basketball the exact same way, looking the exact same, seemingly my entire adult life.

And he is not, he's not gotten.

It's the he's the exact same.

It's good for him.

Keep getting your money, man.

Keep playing.

We love it.

He keeps it clean.

He keeps the face clean, you know, and he's just looks the same way, steady every single year.

Yeah.

And

you said there's a chance there's good centers on the market.

Might be one of the greatest of all time.

Go ahead, Tone.

Yeah, Shawms, you mentioned it earlier, the dreaded second apron when you were talking about the Celtics.

Well, yesterday, vice chairman of the Nuggets,

Josh Cronke, made some news when he said this.

And, you know, I think that for us as an organization, going into that second apron is not necessarily something that we're scared of.

I think that there are rules around it that we needed to be very careful of with our injury history.

The wrong person gets injured, and very quickly, you're into a scenario where that I never want to have to contemplate.

And that's trade number 15.

And so, you know, we're very conscious of that, pushing forward

and providing the resources that we can when the moment arrives.

But that second apron, is it a hard cap?

I'm not 100% sure, but it's something that teams are obviously very aware of going forward.

Shams, what the hell does that mean?

What exactly?

Everyone's talking about the second apron and teams having to cut players because of that.

Is there actually, did he say that just because, or is it actually a chance that Jokic can hit the market someday?

The way I looked at that is it was an analogy.

I know personally, Josh Cronke Cronke

would never, never consider or want to trade Nikola Jokic.

You know, when the Luka Doncic trade happened,

Nikola Jokic is one of those types of players that you never would expect to just be willingly traded.

And people around Denver know, like, they're never trading Nikolai Jokic.

Nikola Jokic, by all accounts, has never looked like...

he wants to be traded.

He's probably somewhere on his horses.

He has no idea, Josh Cronkich

cares.

I doubt he, like, if there's a, you know, a player that is out of sight, out of mind as much in the offseason, it's him.

But, I mean, the reality is for the Celtics, that's what has happened, right?

Like, a player gets traded.

But again, you're not just going to, you know, if they move Jalen Brown, then maybe it isn't a real analogy.

Jalen Brown was the finals MVP.

He's an amazing top-tier player as well.

Nikola Yokic, obviously, a multi-time MVP of the regular season and all the other good stuff.

So

I think think this was a great analogy.

I guess a good analogy in his mind, but clearly, I don't know if it went across.

These highlights are fucking outrageous.

When was the last time you just watched

Joker highlights just straight through?

Have you, I saw a double-handed bat over the head like this, running full speed.

He's just flicking it.

He's unbelievable.

That pass was absurd.

All the passes, all these shots are outrageous.

It looks like he's just, wah, yes, and then it's splashed.

Yeah, that one right there.

Boom.

Yep, somebody will be there.

Certainly.

Let me go ahead and post or somebody.

I mean, they've had injuries, though.

The thing that I don't know, like Jamal Murray Torres ACL, but again, it was before this, this new CBA kicked in.

But they've had injuries.

They've gotten through it in Denver.

So injuries are a part of the game.

I don't know if I'm moving Nikola Jokic for an inch, though.

No, I don't think he is either.

Do you think he was saying that because he wanted to

like point something out like how ridiculous a new rule is or something?

Like why do you think he

I think it's a great analogy to look at if you're the Celtics, right?

Like the fact that it's even a conversation about moving Jalen Brown and Derrick Way, those are two really great players.

Those are two cornerstones for you to win a championship.

When Jason Tatum is back healthy, you hope you have a chance to get back there.

You need those types of guys.

But the financial reality is that if you're a second apron, first apron team, there's a lot of restrictions.

What does this mean?

What does this mean?

These aprons have been tossed around.

So he was clearly saying, that was a protest statement, I think, in my eyes.

I don't know what the aprons mean, but he was saying that to say, these are ridiculous rules there might be something that'll happen where I have to content I don't want to ever contemplate getting rid of Joker because of financial thing what does he what does he mean he's definitely saying that he doesn't like the way it's currently set up we've heard apron we've heard second apron well these are different like cap areas of amount of money you can spend on your entire team

there's a salary cap of course then there's the luxury tax so teams have historically been paying the luxury tax and then it's kind of like setting a, you know, something of a, you know, when I talk teams, they just consider it to be something of a hard cap, right?

And that starts with the first apron, and that comes with more punitive taxes.

And then the second apron is really where you, you just, it's been described to me as everything just freezes up.

Your exceptions freeze up.

Your ability to make trades sometimes free up or frozen up.

They're not freed up.

So it, you know, you, you have to like get to a certain salary.

Otherwise, you can't make trades.

You can't make sign-in trades.

And that all makes roster building essentially you're you're limited to minimums every single year,

potentially.

And so those are all issues that come with the second apron.

So if you're trying to be flexible, you're trying to go get this player or that player or shift your team in this way.

Let's say you fall short, you know, like the Suns, for an example, right?

Like they spent a couple of years, like Matt Ishba, their owner, very aggressive.

He went all in, but it came with the second apron year after year after year.

And there comes a point where if you're trying to retool the team or build differently, there are issues that come with the second apron.

Okay, so this was put into place how long ago?

And it was because the NBA didn't want super teams?

Is that basically why it happened?

The owners didn't want that to happen?

I think it was 2023, the new CBA agreement.

I believe it was two years ago.

And I mean, part of it is the parity.

The part of it is like you encourage players to stay with their team.

I think the other part of it is just, I mean, that's the PA and the league.

Like, that's what they negotiated.

And so I do think it has, to an extent, made it a lot trickier for teams.

Like in free agency, what we're seeing right now is a lot of players re-signing with their team because there's not much money in the market.

Now, next summer, I think we'll get about 10 teams with cap space.

This year, there's really only a couple.

And Brooklyn is really the real team with max salary

space.

I remember growing up, I used to watch the league, and it's like every year, four or five teams would have max space, and free agency is through the roof.

Okay, so we just got something off of Reddit here, and you tell us if this is real.

There you go.

So the second apron is a salary cap.

threshold.

So, basically, there's a salary cap, then there's a luxury tax area where you're paying for it.

Then, there's a first apron where you're paying luxury tax, plus, you're getting some other penalties.

Then, there's a second apron where you're paying luxury tax and tax on top of that.

And also, you can't aggregate contracts and trades.

You can't trade multiple players in the same deal.

You can't send cash out in trade.

You can't use trade exemptions from previous years, and you can't trade first-round picks that are seven years in the future.

Okay, and we know the NBA loves that.

They love doing it.

Six years, though.

Six years.

Yeah, exactly.

That's still a long time.

Okay, so there's just, basically they're trying to make a hard cap.

It's like, but it's way after all their other caps.

And they had to start imposing bigger penalties because Ishbia told us that his fans don't care if he has to pay a luxury tax for paying more money.

So like, in a way, the owners, Ishbia at least, felt obligated to spend his money.

So there was a rules put in place, like, hey, if you do that, you know, you're going to be kind of punished.

How long are these teams going to be punished for?

And how long, will this last forever?

Is this going to be a thing that's forever?

Or is there teams that are against it?

Because it sounds like Cronky is not necessarily for this particular thing, if you listen to the answer that he gave.

Yeah, they signed a decade-long CBA, if I remember correctly.

And so, yeah,

this will be around for a long time.

And I think a lot of people thought, oh, it's going to restrict trades.

But what we've seen, it's actually made trades even more.

you know, doable.

Yeah, I got to get money off.

Got to get money off.

Yeah, we got to get money off the books.

We have have the most active trade deadline just now.

We've already seen so many trades happen, and we're not even at the draft or free agency period yet.

So I think it's definitely made transactions.

Teams are more willing.

Teams are more active.

Teams are more, if they have issues, they have to

get through with their second apron and all that.

This is the time to do it.

And can they just automatically get done?

So if they go from second apron to first apron to luxury tax time, that could just happen overnight if they're able to do that?

Or is there imposing penalties for like a few years because you were in the second apron?

No, it happened with the Celtics in the span of 24 hours.

They traded you Aude, traded Chris Esperanza, so they got out of the

second apron and now they're in the first apron.

And it's about 15, a little over 15 million dollars if they shed that, they get out of the first apron.

And I believe

they approach getting themselves out of the luxury tax entirely.

So there are, that's why there are mechanisms.

If the Celtics, if they're in the first apron now, they're going to be in the first apron next year, pay a punitive tax.

Like we see right there.

If they trade another $15 to $20 million, they could find themselves completely out of it.

Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, but doesn't this kind of contradict itself?

Because if they're trying to make players or want players to stay with their teams instead of forming those big super teams, but then the super max deals for these players are based on how long

you're with that team.

Yeah, so like SGA is going to get $78 million or $80 million a year because he's been with OKC for so long.

But like a player drafted by them like Holmgren or Jalen Williams, won't they be screwed because of that?

Like the Brooklyn Nets have five first-round picks.

And if they somehow, some way draft five Hall of Famers, won't they just be screwing themselves?

Because all five of those players are going to be able to get like the super, super max deal in theory.

But then because of the luxury tax and first and second apron, they'll have to get rid of those guys.

Now you're creating competition within the locker room.

Now you're getting people to turn against each other.

Contradict your sports business, man.

That's definitely an issue with the business TV.

Yeah, because the Celtics, that's the problem.

The Celtics have two max players, and that's how we got here.

Our two best players are the two players we've drafted that we've always had.

So they got the most super max that they could get.

Yeah, my boy, you're running up that ladder towards the luxury tax towards the first apron with those two guys.

That's what I'm saying.

That's why what Jalen Brunson did, giving up the amount that he gave up last summer.

I mean, that has put the Knicks in position where they're not necessarily dealing with, hey, we have to shed this salary or that salary because of XYZ.

So

I think we'll see, like in Oklahoma City, they have three essentially max caliber players, like in Shea Gilles, Alexander, Chet Holmgren, and Jalen Williams, aka J Dub.

If those guys all get the full super max or the full maxes, we'll be having similar conversations potentially about them in two or three years.

And yeah, that is a byproduct of the CBA.

I don't know if that was the intention, but clearly it has had an impact.

You want to know what happened in our CBA that was a reverse impact than what everybody thought?

So the rookie men is like 850,000, we'll say, 900,000.

Or I'm sorry, the veteran men is like 850,000, 900,000.

And then the rookie men.

was like 300,000, 400,000.

And they're like, veterans that are on men contracts deserve to make more.

You've been in the league longer.

You deserve for your men to be worth more.

And then all teams saw was that $500,000 difference.

So if we cut three of these vets and we get three rookies in here, we get 1.5 million more towards our cap.

It was like nobody thought that was going to be the, it like axed out an entire generation of veteran like men players.

Like see you later.

So there's always like some sort of side effect.

The homegrown players not being able to stay, like can't, we legitimately can't have you stay home.

You're going to have to go play somewhere else if a couple of your teammates are very good is a wild scene that everybody's hoping for.

Yeah.

I would assume.

And dynasties, like it damn near kills dynasties.

Like if we're talking about OKC becoming a dynasty, if they don't win it next year and go back to back, like, well, the year after, they're going to have to get rid of one of their best players.

Yeah, it's going to find another one.

The big picture, though, leagues don't necessarily want dynasties, you know, and especially NBA.

They want, period, like it's what, seven different winners in the last seven years.

And then the Brunson thing, him taking, I think, he left 100 million on the table so that they can bill.

That's not what the PA wants to be.

No one.

It wants like max level players to.

Brother, we negotiated Super Max.

Yeah, and the dynasty thing, though, it's like well, the last highest-rated game before that game seven was the end of a dynasty, so it's like they're sure.

Indiana, the Oklahoma City never won.

Ratings are up, is what they would say.

True, you know, like they would like everybody to have a chance to win.

Purpose of the aprons here: the NBA's apron system is designed to curb excessive spending by teams and promote parity amongst teams.

It aims to create a more level playing field, yada, yada, yada.

That's what they're looking for.

All right, Sean, so we know it's a very busy day for you.

Draft day, we've eaten up a lot of your time.

We appreciate the hell out of you.

Good luck tonight.

Are you on the show?

I am on the NBA draft show tonight.

So tune in.

First ever on ESPN.

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Shaman.

Ladies and gentlemen, Shamsharan.

Basically, and I know there's potential suits watching this show in their offices somewhere.

You didn't want Shams to be a guy.

Okay?

Shams is a guy.

He's the guy.

He is.

Everything he kind of predicted

happening, unfolding.

The Kevin Durant thing, he said maybe the next few days.

He thought there was a deal about him.

And then there was just one piece, I guess, that they were just like a standoff, which can happen in negotiations.

I think he was sweating on that one.

Where he's like, I said it was going to be a few days.

We are, we're kind of into the week.

It's next week already.

Like he gets like very worried about that.

Oh, yeah.

But the amount of work he is putting in and has put in, it's like the dude is on it.

He's on his shit.

And I'm happy he's getting these opportunities.

Thankful they put him on the show tonight.

Just the the Van Veliet tweet that he put out has 1.8,000 retweets already on the Van Viliette extension.

Yeah, the newsmakers are the content creators in sports.

And it's like Shams has earned his stripes, even if you haven't seen him.

He has earned his stripes in these internet streets, which is not easy.

Not easy to hold on.

Shams had to work at.

It is hard in those streets.

Well, yeah, and to that point, like, he's had to defend his reporting more than any insider I can ever remember.

Like, he puts stuff out, you know, and you got people like intimately involved in it being like, that's bullshit.

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

And then it happens, you know, and that part kind of just gets washed away.

It's like it's another, another W for Shams, but he's had to really go to bat for a lot of the stuff that he knows to be true, but, you know, it is what it is.

And normally, Bingo Pat Rally said he was wrong and Pat Rally was in the move, but like he

also, normally the insiders have like a team around them.

Yeah.

And they all come out and say, no, we stand by.

Right.

I don't think that was happening either.

No, absolutely not.

You know, I don't think that was really happening for old Shams.

Welcome to the team.

Also, hey, this is.

Scott says you're wrong.

You're wrong.

So

retract it.

Take it back.

Welcome.

Yeah.

Welcome.

Thankful for you.

Yeah.

And all Shams has done is just keep going.

I appreciate Shams.

He's always the same guy.

He's the same guy that was putting on a tweet every day about lunch.

That's right.

And he knows.

He's the same as that guy.

He legitimately knows.

He does.

I guess there were some maybe feathers ruffled there whenever he was talking about the Boston Celtics.

Boston Celtics win or lose this year.

They're going to have to change a lot of things up there.

And everybody's like, they just sold for six billion bucks, Bub.

They just wanted, shut up, Seams.

You know, why is this guy even talking about it?

And then you get through the apron talk and they get new ownership.

And then now Tatum, even with the Achilles, it's like, yeah, it looks like Boston is thinking about maybe dropping back down here and maybe trying to figure out what the dynasties did.

Yeah, I guess

it legitimately feels like down the Patriots were able to do it in the salary cap era, but obviously a lot more players, a lot different situation.

The NBA, you know, because teams can get like the Chet, J-Dub, SGA, that's a big three.

Going to be hard to get a big three

unless you build a big three.

You have to draft them, and you have to win when those guys are rookies and in like their third year.

Because like, it's true.

They are not going to be able to keep all three of those guys.

The draft might not even matter.

Like, the Celtics drafted Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum.

And like, granted, the way or when they won was the biggest deal because it was before Tatum signed his second deal, his max contract to get $300 million.

But like, even if you draft those guys, if you don't win before those guys sign max contracts, then you're kind of screwed.

That's rookie quarterback deal.

Yeah, exactly.

That's where we're at right now with the NBA.

And there's going to be a lot of having to adjust how you operate over in that front office world, especially if you're on a team that the owner didn't care.

Like the Phoenix Suns.

Ishmi has gone on the record saying, yeah, I don't care how much money we spend.

The fans don't care how much money we spend.

We just want to win.

And then all of a sudden it's like, hey, we care now.

So we got to readjust how we do everything around here good luck to the nba the draft is tonight we will obviously watch it before we are joined by an nba champion we got to get some nfl news uh travis kelsey uh was given real game out at tight end university his hair looks Phenomenally flowing.

Great.

Yeah.

As a man who used to have the middle part and let it kind of flow down like that for a long period of my childhood.

Watching that come back, hopefully through Travis Kelsey is a beautiful thing.

But also strong hair for an older lad.

Strong-headed hair, just like his brother, Jason Kelsey.

And he's given real game to these young tight ends.

And I appreciate and respect that.

It wasn't always that position groups would work out together in the offseason.

You know, I think pass rushers started getting a summit together.

They kind of, Von Miller, I believe, was one of the

spearheaded people working together in this thing.

And what the tight ends have done is take it to a whole different level.

I love what they're doing.

I also love the fact that it feels like there's real game being given out.

And this is just one video the NFL posted.

And a lot of people are going to say, well, he's posted that because of travis kelcey it's like travis kelcey's giving real shit out right here to the younger generation on how to be one of the most elusive tight ends in the history probably the most elusive tight end in the history of sport yeah this is real game it with the founders is him uh kittle and olson i was a teammate at olson i know he is he is all ball his details we hear him on the calls when he's on the calls with fox so if you can be in that room with these type of guys usually you only get lucky enough if you're drafted to one of these teams you can actually sit in a room or go to a house or learn how to watch film from these guys But spending some time,

some time, a few days with them, seeing how they work out, seeing how their offseasons are, seeing how they prepare for games, all the different experiences these guys have gone through.

He's playing the biggest games, biggest moments, been a part of a dynasty, seen the game change.

So a lot of things that they can hear, they're probably hearing for the first time, and they can take that back and not only for their game, help their room out on their team, man.

So I love what they're doing for Titan University.

A lot of, you know, it's grown so much.

It's been four years now, but it's huge now.

And Taylor was on it.

Bingo.

Big night last night.

Taylor Swift took the stage in Nashville at the tight end university party and tight end and friends.

And I'll tell you what, the roof got blown off the place as it should.

Probably a lot of bros in there, too.

Oh, yeah.

You know, at the tight end university?

And you can't help but just be like, holy shit, Taylor Swift is here.

It's a beautiful thing.

Taylor supporting Travis.

Travis supporting Taylor.

Feels like maybe

they are in love.

They are.

Did you get invited?

We're so happy.

What's that?

Did you get?

I was just, it's weird that you didn't go.

I figured you would have been there.

What do you mean, the show?

There's a lot of shows there.

We could have, I think, I assume we would have at some point.

Yeah.

I said, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Did you go

to the next one?

Did you get invited?

I don't remember a conversation happening.

With that being said, if we would have said, hey, we'd like to go to Tight End University, we know George would have let us down there.

We know Trav would have let us down there.

We know Olson would have let us down there for sure.

So that's on us, more than so on them.

Sounds like we're missing a great event every day.

It does sound like that.

That tight end university looks amazing, and we're happy they're giving back to the football community.

Now, joining us, ladies and gentlemen, is a man that took happiness away from an entire state.

Okay?

A man who's a two-time, two-time NBA champion.

He was once voted the most Italian Italian in sports Italians.

That's right.

Ladies and gentlemen, Oklahoma City Thunder legend, Alex Caruso.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You sound so excited to have me, Pat.

Appreciate it.

I'm going to let you know, there was a moment of being torn.

Okay.

I forget which game it was in the series.

You came in and just went ape shit.

Maybe game two, maybe, I forget when it was.

Early in the series, you came in and were fucking outrageous.

Okay.

I don't remember the exact moment.

I was pumped for you.

I was pumped for you.

I'm like, holy shit.

Caruso looks so cool with that headband, that fresh, bald ass head.

Clean.

Looks so cool.

But also, he is balling out there.

Then immediately, you continued to do it and continued to do it and then continued to do it.

And all I saw was you take happiness away from my family and my friends.

So, yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled about how the series ended up, but there was certainly an acknowledgement of how you were playing then and what you meant to that team.

Congratulations, Caruso.

Hell yeah.

Yeah, thanks, man.

I appreciate it.

I think the great state of Indiana, I think they had a lot of happiness over the last two months.

And I don't think it's...

I don't think it's all negative in the end.

You know, they had a couple good month and a half, month and three weeks uh but there can only be one winner yeah it was a great run we had a great time following me trying to me trying to ignore you giving rally speeches in the start of the third or into the third beginning of the fourth every game in Indiana was really hard I'm not gonna lie so funny you say that because

when those things happen like literally I'm not told beforehand I'm just kind of handed the microphone asked if I would do it kind of feel obligated now I have an opportunity to do it

yeah it is kind of one of those but with that being said do the thing Okay, I'll do the thing.

You want, I think you had 13 points in the third quarter, maybe 14 points in the third quarter.

I forget what it was.

And I was going to start one of them with Caruso, relax.

And then I was going to go right into it, but I didn't want to start any shit.

I really didn't want to, I didn't want to start any shit.

I didn't want to get any trouble.

I'd already, you know, had some heat.

I respect the game.

I respect the game.

Let's talk about your Oklahoma City team, man.

Obviously, once you guys win, we as a Pacer bias show go through all the different records in the history in the most 10-point or 15-point win, 20-point wins, 30-point wins.

Maybe one of the most dominant seasons a team has had in any sport.

Why do you think that is the case?

I know that's such like a cliche question, but actuality, is it because of how close you guys are?

Did you know it going into the season?

Like, when did you feel as if this team was going to be historic?

Yeah, I mean, honestly, I, I mean, they obviously, like, they were the one seed last year, even before me and Hartenstein joined the the team.

So, like, they had had a great kind of foundation to build on with just, like, the talent they had and, like, how good the team was.

And then I think me and Hart just fit in so well with the roles that we played.

And, like, at the end of the day, dude, it comes down to, like, there's just a talented team.

Like, we're literally, like, through the season, we won 68 games, and we played, you know.

Most nights, we played 10 guys.

You know, if somebody sat out or our bigs were hurt, we played with no centers and won games.

Like, all that kind of got overlooked because it's just the season, and you know, you it's one game after another, and you're just rolling through it.

But, like, we were we were dominating teams in the regular season and like not playing fourth quarters.

And uh, I think some of that got swept under the rug because of obviously the it is a smaller market in Oklahoma City, and like we got we got pushed in the national TV games in February because we were so good and nobody expected it.

So, they had to add like five to ten games where we're playing like the Cavs and the Celtics and

Denver and the Lakers on TV.

And I think it's just

a testament to the organization.

And then the dudes on this team, man, we're just, we're good players.

You know, like that's at the end of the day, that's what it is, a bunch of dogs and really good players.

Yeah, it was evident as we were watching him in person.

It was very cool to see how your team operates.

And I think you were talking about that Celtics game in Boston, I believe, at the end of the season when they put you on national television.

Because the storyline, now we're not the NBA coverage show.

You know that.

We got some good jumpers in here, though.

We got some good jumpers.

We've been talking a lot of NBA.

Couple good clips.

Couple good clips.

Are you talking about my like a clip like

that type of clip?

Are you talking about like shooter, shooter?

Okay, good.

I didn't know if you were talking about like me making one shot as a clip and then the 10 misses.

You know, I so well, you got a couple of those too.

Okay, listen, Paisan, you're a champion.

All right, I understand you're a champion this entire thing.

I would feel good about our show, though, in a full basketball game against any show.

No doubt.

We would like that to be known.

Any show.

That's it.

Any sport coverage, too.

We would put five together against any show.

So that is an open challenge.

Even though we are not an NBA show, we know that.

That could be a series, you know.

You could put that together.

That could do some numbers on YouTube or

on a certain platform.

Yeah, but some of those shows, the guys are so old, you know, it'd be tough to get them up and corner.

We'd have to figure that out.

Small sample size league got it.

And I did factor that into why we would win.

Sure.

So for the teams that have good basketball players, those guys are a little bit older.

Think we could maybe...

This game's 21.

Yeah.

This game's 21, and it is full court.

I don't know.

Yeah, we're going to have to run.

Yeah, got to be full court.

Yeah, we're going to have to run.

We don't need a center either.

Yeah, we're going to play like them against some of those teams.

But the whole conversation.

The whole conversation.

Yeah, maybe drop the rim to eight feet.

Anyways, I mean, there's a lot of conversations we can have later about that.

We respect basketball, play basketball.

We're not necessarily an NBA coverage show, but we do feel like towards the end of it, as we're following along with the Pacers in our city and we're friends with Tyrese and the boys, it's like the conversation was: nobody's talking about this OKC team.

Nobody's talking about this OKC team.

That was kind of the convo about you guys.

Then, obviously, SGA, this guy's the MVP, this guy's the MVP, clear MVP.

Do you think next year Oklahoma City will get more respect throughout the entirety of the season?

And do you think SGA can keep up with what he's doing right now?

He's outrageous to watch play basketball.

Yeah, I mean, the

whole thing with pro sports, for the most part, right?

Like 95% of pro sports,

you have to earn it.

So like whatever, you know, until you win, they don't really care about you.

They're not going to put you on TV.

They're not going to talk about you.

But once you win, you can't ignore it.

So from that aspect, we better play on Christmas next year.

No, you need Christmas Eve, brother.

NFL took Christmas.

You guys are going to have Christmas Eve.

Sorry about it.

Yeah, sorry about it.

I would love to play Christmas morning and have the rest of of the day to watch football.

Okay, and I would be great.

And to be clear, I'd like to watch your team play.

You guys are a fun team to play basketball.

And can you elaborate about SGA a little bit?

You've been around now.

Obviously, you're old.

They call you Unk, I believe.

Yeah, yeah.

You're old.

Yeah, you're old in that locker room.

Can you talk about SGA a little bit?

What makes him different?

Why he is who he is behind the scenes that maybe we don't know about?

Yeah,

I think he does a great job of kind of protecting his,

you know, his lifestyle and

his home base because everybody, he's a pretty soft-spoken guy.

You don't see him,

he's not on the court screaming, complaining to refs, doing all that.

He's just strictly about business when it comes to basketball, and that business for him is winning.

And

that's the coolest thing I think for me is he had all these games where...

You know, there's a couple times this year, like I said, where we would blow people out and we wouldn't play the fourth quarter.

And

he's like upset.

Like, he wants to go in and play the game still.

And, like, not for, not in a sense of like, I gotta get to 40 points or something.

But he literally is like,

which he would have already, anyway.

But he's like, if I'm gonna be here, like, we might as well get after it and play.

And I think that was, I saw that early in the year.

And just the longer I went on through the season, like, his competitive fire, dude, it's second to none.

You know, and I mean, that's the reason he's MVP,

makes it look effortless, all that stuff.

Like, he's got the work ethic that all the greats have, and then that

competitive spirit to be the best and want to do it again and again.

It's fun to be around, man.

He's fun to play with.

Did you teach him the push-off, or did he already have that whenever you got there?

No, I think he got that from Michael Jordan.

Smart.

Smart.

Yeah.

Learn from the greats.

D-Bun has a question for you.

Yeah, you're a two-time champ now.

Didn't get the parade the first time around, obviously because of COVID.

But how was the parade?

I know I I saw a lot of propaganda on the internet saying it was bullshit, but then I saw some real pictures, some real videos.

How was that experience for the whole state to come out and celebrate you guys?

The parade was lit, dude.

I'm not going to lie.

It was short-lived for me.

I was asleep by about 2, 3 p.m.

Body went to auto shutoff or auto shutdown.

I got a lot of sleep.

I got a lot of sleep from the end of the parade till this morning.

But no, the parade was sick, man.

they uh i think it was they said it was something like two miles long and you can see like this is the end just at the the park that we went to but like it was 10 to 15 20 people deep on both sides the entire time uh

it was loud like i i didn't realize you know being out in the street i didn't i didn't really know what the noise was going to be like what that like you said first time for me so i'm figuring it out um

but man it was sick there was some there were some cool signs there was one that said uh caruso for pope so

I might have a

post-career plan.

I might move over and get to

the true Italian roots and get to the Vatican.

Okay.

How Italian are you, super duper Italian?

You look Italian as shit, I will say.

Yeah,

my dad's 50%.

His mom was my grandma was 100%.

Do you know whereabouts?

Yeah, one of my aunts traced it back

to like Sicily or just like a small town outside of Sicily.

So we have like roots and ancestors back through there.

I don't know specifics for that.

But like.

What did you win?

You won the Super Italian of the Italian days.

Do you remember this?

Yeah.

What was the Italian award you won?

I don't know.

You're telling me.

I don't know what you're talking about.

He was on the all-Italian.

I thought it was like Italian American Athlete of the Year or something.

Something like that.

They gave you a pinky ring, right?

Internet anointed.

Yeah.

No, no.

I think it was an actual.

I saw an actual graph.

I think you're owed a pinky ring or two now to go next to the other championship ring.

Something to look into.

Connor has a question for you about a guy that we've learned a lot about here.

Yeah, Caruso, congratulations again on your second trophy.

First one for your coach, Coach Daggs.

Some people have said that you're supposed to say Dagonalt.

I've heard it said other ways as well.

What's he like as a guy?

Darius kind of

reminded himself and us that he was giving him buckets at UConn when he was working for Calhoun back in the day.

But what is Coach Daggs like

that's a crazy poll?

Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, D-Bud played him.

I forgot he was at UConn.

That's that's a great poll.

Team manager.

Team manager.

Coach Daggs elbowed D-Bud under the hoop one time.

Also, I think we officially start calling him Coach Daggs and we'll get rid of Daggs.

I got another idea for you, though.

Before we go to Daggs, you're not going to like it.

Yeah, we'll get there maybe later.

Okay.

What was the question I said?

Oh, no, you don't call him Coach Daggs, just so we know.

know.

No, no, no.

Okay, great, Shams.

Shams walked us right into that.

He did.

Tell him we did not mean any disrespect if he knows we exist.

He should.

We're Yukon bucks.

Good name.

I'm going to call him that, and he's going to hate it, and it's going to be great.

Let's not cause any strife.

Actually, maybe.

Yeah.

Start it now.

Plant the seeds.

You guys hating each other over there.

That'd be good.

We'll see you in the finals next year.

Yeah, well.

To the entirety.

What's he like, though, I think, is just kind of the question.

Coach Daggs.

Coach Daggs, man,

he's a unique dude.

He's like any of the great coaches in the league nowadays.

He's a basketball junkie, basketball nerd.

When we went to the cup in Vegas this year,

everyone like, you know,

you'll venture around the city.

You might gamble a little.

You might go to dinners.

I don't think he left his hotel room.

He was just cutting up film watching basketball.

And he was annoyed that we had to go to Vegas for the Cup.

But that's just kind of the guy he is.

He's an ultimate problem solver.

And honestly, for being, you know, a younger coach,

you say less established.

I mean, he's one coach of the year and a chip now.

But, you know,

new, new head coach in the league, first real, like, big job besides the G-League team.

He does a crazy,

crazy good job of, like, having a clear, concise message for the team and then holding guys accountable.

Like, from Shay down to our two-way guys.

Like, it doesn't matter who it is.

Everyone, you know, is reprimanded the same, encouraged the same, motivated the same.

And I just, it goes a long way for the team dynamic, you know, in pro sports to be able to hold everybody to the same standard if somebody's messing up.

Yeah, it's huge for our sport.

I assume it's huge for yours as well.

We have nothing but respect for him and your entire squad.

We got a heart out in about 45 seconds.

So in 10 seconds or less, can you say something good about Indiana and the crowd and maybe the team?

The weather was beautiful in Indiana while we were there.

I really appreciate that.

The fans were a little rude, so I'll stay away from them.

But the team does deserve a round of applause.

The team had a crazy good run.

I think they overachieved in everybody else's eyes, but I think from the inside looking out, they just played their game, and they were tough out.

It was not easy.

We had to play good basketball to beat them.

So hats off to them, Tyrese Pascal, all those guys, Coach Carlisle.

And hats off to you, Champ.

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Champions!

Joining us in the first hour, we had Alex Taruso.

We just got off a call with him.

He's awesome.

Every time he's been on the show, he's been great.

He's now a two-time, two-time NBA champion and one-time super duper Italian American of the year.

Boom.

He's awesome.

Also, an avid golfer.

Excited to see how he spends his offseason.

And what can Oklahoma City be going forward?

Feels like they don't have as many contract issues as some of the other teams have with a second apron, first apron talk with trades in abundance.

And tonight's NBA draft should be a spectacle as Cooper Flag gets coordinated as a Dallas Maverick.

It may be all hell breaks loose with teams trying to unload massive contracts.

The talks and tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

Come in that jacket.

Thank you.

Might never come off.

This might be my final fit of my life.

Could you imagine you sew those things on?

I actually could imagine it because I've been picturing myself sleeping in it.

Got a mirror right above the bed?

Yeah, bingo.

Just in case you wake up, I want to see how good I look.

Uh-huh.

Maybe put one on the sidewall, too.

Maybe just put yourself in like a severance-type box with all mirrors.

Might not be able to sleep too hard.

You or the mesh?

Asleep.

Me.

Okay.

One half of the hammer.

Cowboys, AP Tone is here.

I get it.

No BS?

No BS.

What do you say?

He said, no BS.

I look fucking awesome.

I'm the man.

Yeah, there it is.

This really has brought out a whole new you.

This is like when Forloco was running through Nick Meraldo's veins.

Sure.

It was a whole new man.

I mean, legitimately, I'd go home.

I was living in Indianapolis.

I'd go home on the weekends.

I'd accidentally get home a little bit later, and it'd be a brand new Nick out there on the dance floor.

Who is this?

What's going on here?

And then, bruh.

For Loco is the greatest thing on earth.

Is this how you always feel?

This is how I feel.

This is amazing.

On top of the bar, down, leading a two-step.

Then the next morning,

guys are acting like assholes out there.

Tell you what, now that you bring it up, that's when I became friends with Nick.

I was sold a false bill of goods.

Well, I think if normal, everyday Nick saw Forloco, Nick, he'd say, what a fucking jaguar

that guy is.

Yeah, that guy was a bit of a dick.

But although, I mean, I'm thinking about now, I guess all I have to do is just start wearing a leather jacket.

No, we don't know if that's going to make you feel that way.

For real.

No, we just, I'm saying that Connor feels how you felt during your For Loco run.

It seems like you put that jacket on a whole new person.

It's been all morning, has it not?

Nine-year NFL vet dairy straight.

I would imagine if you drink a four loco right now, that jacket just kind of just materializes.

Yeah, just comes out of nowhere.

But you got to get a gimmick underneath.

Got to change your shirt.

Oh, debut.

Debutch, debut.

You're thinking too small.

I think normally a plain white shirt goes underneath.

You're thinking too small.

You're thinking way too small.

Let's just say tomorrow, if I have this on again, maybe I don't have a hat on.

No.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I see.

Welcome back.

Back again.

Yeah, I've done it a few times, but I'm not saying just no hat.

I'm saying maybe there's something else in my hair.

Oh, we're wearing bandana for sure.

Maybe a bandana.

Maybe I just go full slick.

Maybe Alex Caruso.

Maybe I go headband.

Maybe you do go full slick.

Gotcha.

Motorcycle helmet.

Full slick back, all of a sudden I'm the Italian.

Maybe you just burst into song.

Nah.

Maybe you go do rag.

Maybe.

Yeah, tie that thing, let it hang.

I could do that.

Not really my style.

I'll never have done one, but I could wave check it.

We're excited to see how you've never done this before either, I don't think.

And now we're learning about a brand new you.

And for everybody that's listening, maybe for the first time, you're thinking to yourself, wow, this show is terrible.

I want to let you know, we talked to somebody this morning that doesn't believe that is the case.

We caught up with the Travelers Championship.

Chompion this morning.

Boys, I just want to tell you, I'm so proud of what you guys have done.

I've followed you from the Barstool days.

It's like, holy shit.

I mean, you are the guy.

It's so, it's just amazing to watch.

We are not the guy.

You are the guy.

You are the guy.

No, I'm telling you, you are.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm just telling you.

We're going to keep that in because you're so kind to us right here.

Very nice.

This is Travis Choplin, ladies and gentlemen.

Keegan Bradley.

Thank you for joining us.

We saw your comment on the Instagram.

And as soon as we saw that, the group text lit up.

We're like, hey, we think Captain America actually, we think Captain America might know of the program.

And it sounds like you do.

So we want to say thank you for paying attention to what we've been doing and all those kind things you said to us.

Not real.

Let's say some real things back to you.

You're the guy.

Hey, let's go.

Yeah.

You go.

Let's go.

What a win.

What a win that was, man.

It was unreal because I...

I didn't really play my best all day and I felt like I was behind the whole day.

I'd get to one shot and I'd go down to two and then eventually to three.

But look at this beauty right here.

I can't stop watching it.

I just like, you know, sometimes when you're coming down the stretch of tournaments, you feel great and sometimes you don't.

And this was just one of those where I was like, I felt just tough as nails.

And

what a great pun.

I can't stop watching this.

It's so fun.

Yeah.

What a moment.

Obviously, the celebration immediately afterwards.

With not only you, but the entire area, the entire region.

And I would say the entire United States of America.

We heard the USA chants throughout.

And obviously the captain of the Ryder Cup team has been a pretty prevalent conversation for you, which we will certainly dive into at some point.

But while you're watching Tommy Fleetwood kind of stay, he was hanging, stagnant, kind of.

You were moving, then he was dropping, then we're getting closer, and then you're moving.

You said you felt invincible or whatever.

Is there a real like moment there?

Is there a shot that you hit where you're like, wait a minute.

Ball looks bigger right now.

And then as you're watching Tommy Fleetwood, do you always believe you can catch him?

Do you think that he's going to like, what is your thoughts on trying to attack on a Sunday when you're down four strokes?

Three strokes?

I forget what it was.

Three strokes at 15 or whatever?

To be honest with you, when I hit that shot in the bunker and plugged in the back bunker on 14, I was so pissed at myself because that was just a horrific shot.

And I fell back to three behind, which was not good.

But I knew, I kept telling myself, like, this last three or four holes at Hartford, there's water everywhere.

There's disasters waiting.

There's also a lot of birdies.

And when I made that putt on 15, that I had to make it.

And when that went in and the crowd was excited, I knew like, okay, I'm still in this.

I still got this.

And I, you know, I knew I had to hit perfect shots coming in.

And I really did.

You made golf very exciting there for a bit.

And obviously the ratings showcased that.

They're saying Captain America is a needle mover.

Okay.

They're saying, hey, if you're wondering on how this did last year versus how it did this year, here's the numbers.

It was way up, obviously.

And I think it was because it was exhilarating golf.

How good does that feel to be a part of?

How good, like legitimately, you know, how good does that feel going into a Sunday big thing and know that it's not just for you, not just for the PJA, but for golf as a whole almost every weekend carrying the summer?

Really, it really is incredible.

Like there's some, there's some things that happen in my life that I am just, it's hard to wrap my head around.

And, you know, growing up in New England, going to that tournament as a 13-year-old kid, and then, you know, being on that 18th pole with the whole crowd rooting for me.

And, you know, one of the craziest things happened to me on that 18th hole that I've never experienced or seen is I hit my drive off the T and I'm going to put my club back in the bag.

And I heard this huge roar.

And I like turned around, like, what is that?

And I realized it was just my ball hitting the fairway.

And I had never experienced that.

And, you know, then to see the ratings, like, I got to be honest with you, we looked.

Like, I was excited.

I was like, wow, that feels, that's nice.

But uh i i i'm proud to play in the pga tour you know i'm proud to to have travelers be quote unquote my home event it's turned into such a monster a monster deal yeah signature event or elevated event i believe is the exact title now in this new pga world that we're in and uh you saying what was that set that was for my drive okay we're doing that i couldn't even imagine what it felt like whenever you hit that thing to six feet because you said you were just we were just watching you uh kind of relive that you knew birdie ties i don't know if you knew Birdie also potentially wins this thing outright, depending upon what happens.

As that's flying, you don't think that's a little short?

Are you dancing with the sand, or in your mind, you know you hit it perfectly?

And I thought it was perfect the whole time.

I really did.

I might go in.

I had 139 hole, and it was a little into the wind, and I thought it was playing about 146, 147.

And I have a swing that I call ear-to-ear.

It's a feel that I have where I swing to my ear in the back and ear through, and it goes 146 yards.

And I practice this shot with my nine iron.

I do it with my eight as well, but I've hit this shot 10,000, 20,000 times.

And I get there.

It's an ear-to-ear nine-iron, and I step over it, and I hit it.

And as a pro, as you know, with kicking, you know when you get one right, or you know, when you hit a good shot or a good kick.

And like, I, it was perfect.

And like, so I, I normally am such a nervous wreck playing that when I hit a shot, I'm leaning everywhere and like spazzing out.

And if you watch me, I'm just doing like a partial lean.

And when it's the partial lean, that means it's right at it.

Oh, this is when he's like, it's tracking.

He likes it.

Ear to ear, 146.

We, yeah, we get over the ball.

We heard the applause.

I knew I hit it pretty good.

We get over the ball.

And then all of a sudden, this is ear to ear, baby.

We were at 140.

I've done this 2,000.

I've done this 100,000 times.

What am I doing?

I really have.

I really have.

I practice this at the Grove.

I like to have specific feels for each number that I hit.

And as we get get better as bros, we're really trying to find just these tiny, minor things to get better and better.

And for me, it's distance control.

And I know when I make that ear to ear with a nine-iron, it's going to go 146.

It's not going to go 148 or 143.

143 goes to the bunker and I lose the tournament.

So like that, that's what we practice.

That's, you know, when we get to this level, getting that fractionally better, that's what we want to do.

Nine feet difference.

Yeah.

It'd be pretty cool to be able to control it.

That's what I'm going to work towards.

I'm going to work towards my ear to ear because right now I'm just trying to work club the fucking ball, brother.

I'm just trying to make contact.

The boys have some questions for you, Keegan.

We're all massive fans.

D-Butt has one.

Yeah,

staying on that.

I've been playing golf now a couple years.

I watch pretty much every aspect of it.

Live, PGA, TGL.

Any tips for us?

I'm just trying to break 80.

I'm never going to get to you guys' level, but any tips for us?

We always hear the 150 and then chipping and putting, but anything else you got.

for us

yeah i mean you always want to practice your short game especially as an amateur you know you want to get get good at finding a shot that you can hit around the green that you know is going to get on the green.

You don't have to try to chip to two feet, but like get have a club, a pitching wedge, a sand wedge, whatever it is, and just get that on the green.

Also, the biggest mistake I see amateurs make is they never hit enough club.

If you watch on the PGA tour, you see a lot of guys getting pin high or getting, you know, they're never coming up a club short normally.

And when I play with amateurs and pro-ams, they're hitting, they're you know, 30 yards short of the green, and you know, their distance control is horrific.

No, that's because I know know my seven-iron is going 175.

Good ear.

Yeah, and if it, it's not going to go 157 yards because I'm going to duff it, not hit it clean, and then it's not going to go in the right direction, and then I'm going to be a full two clubs short in this entire thing.

I think the issue with most amateurs is

we have no idea how far this thing's going each time.

You just mentioned the ear-to-ear thing.

Think about that.

Think about what he is thinking about over the head.

146.

Okay, so Mike, it's a iron, but it's not a full nine iron, actually.

It's a ear-to-ear

swing on this entire thing.

And I'm going to work on just that swing

for a two.

10,000 times.

10,000 times.

Then 149, fuck, we got a whole different one.

We're going top of ear to bottom of ear on this side.

Like, that's an insane amount of work that you guys have put into your craft.

And just know that we all have massive respect because of how impossible this sport is.

Now, let's talk about it even more.

A lot of golfers come from warm weather climates.

Feels like if we read some Instagram captions and the way you speak, you're proud that that is not the case for you.

Boston Connor has a question for you, Keegan.

Yeah, Keeges, massive fan.

It's an honor to talk to you.

Pat mentioned it right there.

Huge fan of Noah Kahn, the representation you used on your last social media post.

Very nice, very nice ode to New England, if you will.

With that being said, do you feel a sense of pride, you know, coming from New England?

Can you talk about that a little bit?

I know, you know, you were born in Vermont.

You grew up and went to high school in Hopkington.

Shout out.

But how

do you feel?

It's in Massachusetts.

It's in Massachusetts.

Some people get it.

If you don't get it, then you never will.

How do you feel being kind of that New England guy on tour?

Well, to be honest with you, that's everything for me.

I'm so proud to be where I'm from.

And I'm so proud to, you know, have taken the path that I took to get to the tour.

There's no one from New England out here.

No, certainly no one from Vermont.

And then, like you said, I moved to Hopkins High School.

But that's everything.

I feel like us New Englanders, we have a bit of an edge about us.

And especially when you grow up in the golf world where I had to, I couldn't play golf for five, six months.

So

I was getting beat by a lot of the kids from Florida and Georgia.

But as I got older, you know, and I and I started to be able to play more year-round, I started to get better and beat them.

But being from New England is my favorite thing that I just love it.

It's everything that I want to embody.

And I feel an obligation to represent the golfers of New England and the junior players because that was me growing up.

You should see Connor right now.

I mean, some people just get it, man.

He's wearing this ridiculous leather jacket.

I love it.

So jacked up about it.

You talked about, you know, the five months not being able to play.

That's why, like, in the lead up, I mentioned you don't see a lot of like golfers from the north.

It's like, well, why not?

Well, because all year round we can't do it.

Track, similar situation.

I think even like you see baseball.

I think there's a lot of baseball from the south.

Like a lot of people in the north that play baseball travel down to the south because the weather is uh ass beating.

But if you can beat that northern wind, that's right, if you can handle that cold, I think it sets you up for success.

Ain't that right, D-Buck?

That damn right.

Yeah, New England, too.

Yeah, oh, South Florida, boy.

College, went to college up there.

Yeah, I forgot about that.

I forgot about that.

Yeah, I was up there for about a good six, seven years.

Yeah, beautiful.

I knew I liked that about you.

I can tell.

Hell yeah.

Beautiful part of the country.

Speaking of the country, all eyes are on you, brother.

Tone has a question.

Yeah, Keegan, all eyes are on you.

A lot of the conversation this week after the win that put you up into the Ryder Cup standings has been about the Ryder Cup.

And of course, you have the honor of being the U.S.

Ryder Cup captain at Beth Page Black this year.

So my question originally was going to be, you know, when you're picking in the captain's picks, have you thought about how you're going to pick whether, you know, it's a guy who's coming in off of a tournament win who's playing well or someone like, you know, I mean, JT's in there now, but like JT, Patrick Reed, Brooks Kepka, guys who have always performed well at Ryder Cups.

Do you know how you're going to make that decision?

And if you have to make that decision, are you going to have to put yourself in there as well?

Well,

certainly last week has changed the mindset a little bit.

I never was going to play, never was going to pick myself if I hadn't won.

I had been saying the whole time, I got to be in the top six to play.

But we're going to see.

I'm going to do whatever I think is best for the team.

I'm not sure what that is yet.

And in picking the team, you know, we're going to go with who's playing the best, but also who we know can handle the situation.

But playing a Ryder Cup at Beth Page is going to be extreme.

There's going to be a lot of excited fans, and

there's definitely players that we know that can handle that atmosphere.

But we also want to take the guys that are playing the best.

We've got a lot of guys that haven't played Ryder Cups that are playing incredible golf, and we want them on our team.

So whenever you're building a team, do you think about camaraderie, chemistry?

Does that matter?

Because like in our team sports, no, I don't want to say our, like, you guys don't have a team event.

We're talking about one that you have, but it is very isolated, it feels like, in your day-to-day professionals.

Now you got your team of, you know, your swing coach, strength coach, everything like that, but I'm talking about, you get it, okay?

For us, we need somebody that's able to bring the vibes.

Okay, we need a vibes guy if there's potential down.

We need some veterans that maybe have some experience, maybe some young guns, maybe some guys that are great at this, maybe not great at this.

If we get a weather day, do we need to think about having some, maybe some weather players?

Like, how much of all that other shit is going into the conversation of who's on the team as well and by shit i mean like very important stuff but you know what i'm saying not just like how each week's going yeah i mean we all those things factor in i i think the only sport that can sort of uh compare to the the ryder cup is the usa men's basketball olympic team because it's you you're you're you're coming together quick you're not with each other the whole year um it's 12 alpha players you know we don't have role players on our uh ryder cup team and USA basketball really doesn't either.

So I've been really leaning in on

Olympic teams for basketball, Olympic coaches that have coached the Olympic basketball team because I think the parallels are really similar.

You have to figure out these personalities that are alpha dogs that we're used to playing against each other every week, that we need to come together quickly and learn

how we're going to do this together.

And we're going to bring an attitude to Bethbey.

This is, we're going to rep, we're representing the people of Bethbey.

This is a public golf course.

They're proud of this place.

This is their home course, and we have to embody that.

Yeah, America.

You know, we definitely, we need every part about that.

Tone just mentioned Jordan.

Obviously, we've got to tie in there.

Have we been leaning on

others, you know, and how we could potentially lead a squad?

You talked about the Olympic basketball team.

There was one.

That was certainly one he was a part of in the dream team.

Pretty big deal.

I think.

put basketball into the world that it's at now.

Have you been talking to anybody outside?

Wayne Gretzky, maybe.

Sure.

Let's get some Wayne Oil thoughts in here.

Coaches, maybe.

We're reaching out to other sports.

Bill Belichick, obviously, New Englander down there in Caroline.

Do we reach out to him?

He's a Jordan brand guy now.

You see him?

Yes.

He's got all his cut up shit, Jordan shit now.

Has there been any of those conversations, Coach?

Cap, sorry.

Yes, I'm talking to everybody, every coach I know, every player I know.

And, you know, a strange thing about this life that I've learned, that I've lived, is I've grown up and have been able to meet my idols and in a few instances become friends with them as Michael.

And when you grow up and you meet Michael and you get to be friends with him, you realize this guy is the greatest guy ever.

And he's someone that I can lean on always.

He's always there for me.

He doesn't want any credit.

He just wants to help the team.

And, you know, I think that's a message as well to our team is that, you know, we're going to do whatever we can to just win the Ryder Cup, whatever that is.

It could be a small thing, could be a big thing.

You know, a gesture now, the smallest gestures now could make the biggest difference in September.

And we we we lean in i'm leaning i'm cashing in all my chips i'm talking to every coach i i've ever met i'm talking to every player that i got on my phone i'm talking to brady i'm picking everybody's brain that i can to just if maybe one little thing can help us that's all that matters let's go win this huh need to let's go win this thing and also good luck this weekend i think you have the third best odds uh to go back to back uh we can't wait to watch and congratulations on everything and thank you for being cool to us.

We very much appreciate that.

Thank you, boys.

I'm so proud of what you've done.

But

this has been great for me to come on here.

I've watched you guys, and this is awesome.

We're proud of you.

Proud of you, Kev.

Hey, get the live one here.

Thank you, Kev.

Thank you, Captain.

We're proud of you, buddy.

Love you, Keegan.

Thanks, boys.

Ladies and gentlemen, Travelers Champion, Captain of America.

in the router cup, Keegan Bradley.

Thank you.

We appreciate the hell out of Keegan for joining us earlier today.

It was so cool that he knew who we were.

And

it was cool to watch back there, him saying those things.

Felt like those were genuine comments.

In the moment, I'm like, boop-ba.

Let's not talk about that.

Let's keep it moving.

I appreciate him lying to us to make us feel good.

And I appreciate him following along.

And I appreciate the fact that he's got some tough decisions to make.

Sounds like he's like, you know, maybe if I do keep playing good,

maybe I have earned a right to be on the Ryder Cup team as the captain.

If I'm not, I'm not, he said he's taking everything into account.

We can't wait to see that.

That is an event that the world falls in love with because it's golf with hockey atmosphere.

Yes.

You know, it's golf with football.

It's golf with a crowd that is on top of you, basically, and it's promoted that way.

And then we see big moments because it's all the superstars taking on all the other superstars in different fashions, different styles than what we see on the week-to-week basis.

The Ryder Cup's awesome.

I remember we broke the news

when the Ryder Cup was happening 19 months ahead of time.

Do you remember that?

Was that the president's?

I think it was the, it wasn't even the Ryder Cup.

Is that when Zurich was on?

Jim Zurich was going to be the president's cup uh yeah you know captain hasn't happened yet 36 months from when we had the conversation it was sold to us though big deal big deal big deal you want to do this sure we'll do it for golf we love golf we like watching golf it's a big deal guy breaks news when's that 2031 yep all right sweet okay we will somebody remind us of this information that we just broke that would be really good in the day-to-day uh market shout out the espm bet sportsbook also shout out to see geek uh today's sponsor the best ticket buying platform on planet Earth and

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Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, rattle-cup winner.

Yesterday had a real high, real tight haircut.

Yeah, very.

A little higher.

I was almost worried about him.

What?

Yeah.

I thought it looked good.

See, I was almost worried in the sense where it's like, hey, this isn't the cut I asked for.

I get the same thing every time.

Oh, you think maybe a little bit of a slip of the hand?

Yeah, why does my hair look like that?

Well, because on those high fades, as somebody who does get faded up, if on one side they accidentally hee, okay, now we got to go all the way the other side.

And And if you just so happen to hee on that side, guess what?

We're climbing.

Now we're doing this game on top of a baseball bat.

You know, and your fate all of a sudden sits like kid and played down there, house, you know, and it's just sitting up on the top.

That wasn't what happened to AJ.

Okay.

I don't think that's what happened to A.

Jordan, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk.

Yeah, Hawker.

That's not what happened to you, AJ.

That's not.

No, no, no.

I knew it was going to be a little time between cuts, so I said, take it low.

We got to take it tight.

Take it high, take it low.

It looks good, I think it's a good summer cut, especially you're glowing if you've been outside.

How's life been over there in Ohio?

Yeah, I've been outside a bit.

You know, kids have activities out there.

It's 95 and humid, so I'm a trooper on the sidelines.

But yeah,

it's been good, man.

Summertime is good, and football season is right around the corner.

I keep telling myself that.

How many days until the NFL game?

We were 71 days away today.

Okay, so we are right around the corner.

I believe I saw a percentage, too, of how far into the offseason we were.

64% through the offseason as of the beginning of this week.

But remember, the end of the season, of the offseason, there, like 15% of it is training camp and actual shit.

You know, it's not until the regular season.

So you need to deduce 15%.

It's actually 85% as a whole.

So 64%, you would add probably 15% to that.

So now all of a sudden you got 79%.

How we doing?

Keep it moving.

We're closer to football than we thought we were going to be.

And that's some Steiner math for you right there.

Bingo, to your point, 71 feels like a lot of days, but we...

We are less than a month to training camps.

So that feels.

There's a football game next month, boys.

Okay, so here we are do this to yourself though this is why we count days

because all these fun things that we're talking about it's gonna be great to see training camp and a football game in July like Foxy yeah we keep pounding the drum the only news at a training camp is usually bad news with injuries training camp needs to be okay so Drake may how that comes out you're not gonna be pumped exactly well certainly pumped that that that that's person to person you know that that's that's not like actual things that you can be pumped about that football game at the end of July Foxy I'm going to need you to stop saying that.

Why?

Because we're going to watch UFL.

Glass half bowler.

Glass half empty around.

MCDC on the sideline, though.

Think about that.

Yeah, you're right.

That is good now.

That'll be sweet.

We're going to watch it.

We didn't watch the other league.

Are we going to watch it?

I watched the

Hall of Fame.

I will bet on the Hall of Fame.

What was that league I watched?

The Fisher Freight, the Indo Foot Freight.

Oh, yeah, the Indoor Football League.

Yeah, we got a lot of tweets from the Indoor Football League.

We respect them and appreciate them.

We understand

what you guys are doing over there.

We appreciate what you're doing to the Indoor Football League.

Hell yeah.

Fisher Freight got two more games left.

Espinoza, the quarterback that got signed like three days before the game, he's player of the week.

He went

player of the week at the Fisher Freight.

Obviously, he's right around the corner.

Bruce is going to go to the game.

I think Gumpy said he's going to go.

Top said he's going to go.

Let's go, boy.

Mitt said he's going to go.

Hell yeah.

Nick even said he was going to go.

Well, he skates.

Yeah, I think he said that.

People sweep prior obligations, I believe.

What?

I know.

I'm devastated.

Going to a soccer game?

Cancel.

A lot of people going to soccer games these days.

They're saying like 65,000, 70,000 people in some of these stadiums for some of these games.

Where are we sitting in the super duper thingy that's happening with the soccer stuff?

The knockover rounds halfway set up.

Inner Miami PSG Sunday in Atlanta.

I will be attending that one.

Okay, that's a noon kickoff, I do believe, in Atlanta on Sunday.

It's Inner Miami PSG.

Lou Messi used to play for PSG, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, sir.

PSG just won the Champions League for the first time as well.

Okay, so the overall favorite to win this is PSG.

So they could knock out Lou Messi on Sunday out of the Super Duper soccer thingy.

That is correct.

$100 million on the line in this tournament.

Yeah, Inner Miami's actually already won $21 million

by qualifying and being in this tournament.

You win $300,000 for winning the MLS Cup, so that's pretty good.

How do you get...

What?

Where's all this money come from?

We were talking about the MLS being good.

$300.

The boys aren't even going to try to win the MLS Super Duper Cup.

Why would they?

If the actual Super Duper Cup, you don't even have to win.

You get $21 million.

Well, they got the $21 million because they qualified for the next round, but they did get $7 million for just qualifying in general.

Yeah, but they don't have to win the whole thing.

PSG could beat them by 30 this weekend, which.

Yeah, I mean, they're minus 550, so it is a possibility.

How about that Auckland team?

They scored one goal in this entire thing.

They probably got some millions more than you get for winning the entire MLS.

Yeah, semi-pro league.

You're telling me these guys are playing an entire season, and if they win the championship, then they they get to basically fill up their tank of gas and get a soda pop from the freaking gas station.

Each person on team.

No, I know.

That's crazy.

Give it free icy.

The more I learn about the MLS, I get a little concerned.

What do you mean?

A little bit more worried about

gassing up something that isn't real.

I mean, I like it.

That's the best league.

I like the thought of a league, but the owners don't pay the players.

The league pays everybody.

So that's an interesting concept.

Does every team have an owner?

Yes.

Okay.

But I think, if I'm not mistaken, because we learned that down at TST, I believe that the MLS pays every player.

The owners have to put the money into an account, I believe.

Then it all just comes from one particular spot.

And I assume that was done because at some point, just like whenever you guarantee money, you have to put it into like escrow or you have to, it has to be there.

The NFL has to do it.

I assume because there was times that maybe contracts were given out that maybe the money wasn't.

Is there a cap?

Does each team have a cap, though?

I think they just anyway.

100 grand, I think.

There's like designated players and stuff.

And some of the Inner Miami players are getting pissed because they can't bring more players in because you can only have certain players from certain places.

Riddle me this Gumpy.

Have we been, I believe the way it is described, out of pocket when we've been talking about the MLS being the best soccer league in the world?

We might have been sold a false bill of goods.

Lou Messi's on the team.

Yeah.

Who won the balloon door?

But Inner Miami also, Inner Miami doesn't also get that $21 million either.

Like the MLS is taking more money from that than any other team that's in this tournament.

Would you imagine back in the day when the Portland Timbers were trying to

trade for a Landon Donovan $10,000 loan, and they're just scrambling?

They just can't come up with it.

Sounds like Jackie Moon trying to wait on it.

Washing machine.

Yeah.

Bag of balls.

This sport.

But on the plus side,

there'll be a super duper cup next week.

All this shit we're talking about.

You said PSG just won the Champions League for the first time.

Didn't they have Neymar Messi and Boppe on the team this year?

They never won it, first time ever.

M-Bop was a problem with that.

No.

For the record.

No, from what I learned on

the streets,

there was only one ball.

Yeah,

there's only one ball, so you can't have that many superstars with only one ball.

No wonder no one wants to play soccer growing up.

Hey, you can be the best soccer player in the world, go play in the MLS.

Guess what?

We're going to, you know, we'll pay for your condo six months of the year, not the whole year.

We'll give you, you know, $65,000.

But does that work?

Best player in the world?

Give you $65,000.

That's not what it's like.

That's what it is.

The two players that have been performing and scoring for the U.S.

in the Gold Cup, one has been offered by Bayer Leverkusen, and the other one was offered by Dirby County.

You gotta go, get up.

That is a good thing for U.S.

soccer.

The dream is to play well enough in the MLS to get to another soccer movie.

It's so much more money.

You can't compete with it.

In high school.

You can't.

In high school, I legitimately had the thought.

I didn't know anything about soccer.

Okay.

I played soccer, was rather good at soccer, had more schools looking at me for soccer than I did for kicking footballs.

But I wasn't like, I wasn't an avid viewer of soccer.

My dad didn't, well, like we didn't, like, it wasn't Team USA I watched, like, because Team USA was like something that I was, you know, Colby Jones, Tony Miola, literally, you know, Alexei Lawless, that whole area.

McBride, I believe, was a guy back then.

I mean, that whole team is who I watched as a kid, but I didn't know like the politics of it all.

All I knew is if you wanted to be rich playing soccer, you had to live in Europe.

Yeah.

That is literally the, if you want to be rich, you got to go over to Europe to do it.

But I thought the MLS had come to a point, especially with that Apple deal and being able to get messy here because this Messi deal is similar to what the Beckham deal was considered like whenever the Beckham deal happened to LA Galaxy, where it was like, this guy's making how much to play soccer in the United States of America?

And then that was going to be like an opening for others to do it.

There has been.

I thought that changed it, right?

I I thought that changed everything.

Once Beckham came in and did all that, I thought all everyone's team was worth way more after that.

Me too.

Tierry Henry came over.

Wayne Rooney came over.

I mean, there's been a lot of superstars that have come over

and played over here.

So I assumed in my mind that the MLS was in like a good spot.

I think it is in a good spot compared to where it was, but like 300,000 for winning the MLS Cup is concerning.

I had no idea that's what it was.

Thank God you chose football.

Yeah.

I don't think I would have.

These knees, brother, I don't know if we would have.

And with my size, from what i've realized i was a little bit too large for that entire thing i don't think my knees would have kept up but certainly thank god with the way kicking worked out and ball kicking to worked out everyone's in a good spot when they get out of prison

yeah that that's the the case here it feels like with the mls and to aj's question if your dream has the letters mls in it

Pick a new dream, brother.

What are you talking about?

You should be feeling decently.

Hey, head to vocational school.

I thought being a plumber.

I thought we were were learning more about soccer as we were going.

I thought we were learning more about soccer and we were respecting soccer.

I'm enjoying it more.

Especially with the World Cup around the corner.

In the Gold Cup thing, I saw the bracket.

I'm back in.

Yeah, we're taking on Costa Rica.

Okay, this one has the name next to the flag.

That's good.

That was sent in.

One of the brackets was sent in.

Did not have the names next to the flags.

And I'm going to be honest, if it wasn't for the keypad where you can type in the actual country's name, some of those flags would really start dancing to look the exact same as the others.

Not saying any disrespect.

I'm just telling you, some flags look exactly like another flag.

And if you don't have the

monoscope or whatever, or the

monocle?

Yeah, you get it.

Telescope.

One little star is different than another place.

Well, you can't tell.

So I enjoy learning.

Magnifying glass.

Come on.

That's what I needed.

So it was hard to figure out who the hell we were playing on that one bracket.

Costa Rica.

They got a team.

They got a team.

They do.

I think they traditionally have kind of beaten our breaks off.

They haven't lost a long time.

No.

I believe so.

Every time I check, we're losing to Costa Rica.

So I don't, you know, and granted, I'm not checking very often, but when I do, we're losing to them.

Is there a purse for this?

Because that might be our saving grace.

Gold Cup.

This one's just to make the World Cup team.

Yeah, it's pay slips.

Well, then we're screwed.

Because, you know, if the MLS guys are like, hey, guess what?

Like, we might not eat for a couple months if we don't win this thing.

So we got to win this fucking tournament.

Okay.

I'd like to go to McDonald's a couple times.

Like the NBA Super Duper Cup in the middle of the season.

Exactly.

Guys at the end of the bench are getting 250,000 bucks or whatever.

Right.

Can you imagine if they did that in the MLS?

You guys would be shooting people in the head on the pitch.

Jesus.

I was like how we're talking about.

I mean, it's real.

500,000 a pop for the NBA Cup in the MLS Cup.

You got to

split 300 grand.

The MLS is going to figure it out.

Our team USA is going to be good in the World Cup.

Yep.

Okay.

I have faith.

It's going to be a big deal for soccer as a whole.

And the fact that we do have Messi selling selling out a stadiums everywhere he goes, I think is good news.

Let's pivot away from soccer.

That went really well.

Gumpy, good work.

Baby, Gumpy.

Gumpy.

One guy.

One guy.

Yesterday there was a conversation that was had about Aaron Rodgers, a lot of conversation about his retirement.

He told us not to talk about him for the next six weeks.

So, AJ, would you like to talk about him?

I mean, I thought he requested, he said, try to not talk about him, right?

He was speaking to us, wasn't he?

Yep, definitely.

I told him immediately upon him giving his answer after asking if he was happy that we are a part of the problem, you know, because we will certainly echo the conversations that are happening about him.

You know, I feel like we are trying to give an alternative angle sometimes to things.

But with that being said, he is a lightning rod.

Oh, anybody talked about it yesterday?

He ain't retired.

Oh, I thought he was already retired.

Huh?

Genius.

I think they're going to be good.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I think the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to be good, especially after talking to him yesterday and knowing that his schedule, just yesterday, we don't know what schedule is every single day, but just yesterday we were after, I think, a stretch

before first workout.

I mean, like, you're talking about being in full camp mode right now.

And if he knows it's going to be his last year where he thinks this is going to be it, it's like he would want to know that he left everything.

Like no stone unturned, basically, throughout the entire process.

I assume while he was deliberating his decision whether or not he was going to be a Pittsburgh Steeler, he stayed in great shape.

I would assume he was still working out then because as soon as he arrived, he looked great.

I think it's good things that we heard from Aaron Rodgers yesterday personally.

I agree.

And I think they're going to be good, too.

The thing is, when you are a part of one of those cornerstone organizations, good ain't good enough.

Oh, you're talking about it.

They're going to be great.

Yeah, that's going to be the conversation.

And when you have a Mount Rushmore quarterback coming into an organization, that's always good, regardless of who's playing where, that is going to be the conversation.

This is first year going into a season where he hasn't had an offseason

with the offense as well.

So that'll be some, you know, you're working out through training camp.

So it'll be interesting to see.

But

it's a Mike Tomlin coach team.

It's a bunch of leaders that he mentioned on that team already.

He's going to take the man to a leadership on the offensive side of the ball.

You know, he'll be, this will be a lower third, you know, every week on all the shows.

So we will continue to talk about him.

Everyone will continue to talk about him.

We apologize for that, though.

Hopefully it's a good thing for the Stillers.

Yeah, and AJ, your thoughts on...

He sounded very content, very comfortable, very confident as well, which I appreciated.

Yeah, he did.

And I mean, I definitely think he's on like that crazy workout grind that you're talking about.

I think as he's gotten older, he's gotten even more and more into all of that.

The nutrition, everything about it, like how he works out.

He's definitely dialed that in over the last five, six, seven years, I think, to where he has like a whole

situation, every day planned out.

Now, how he eats, everything he does, working out-wise, which can only be a positive, I think, for him and the team.

Yeah, as a chef, obviously we've heard that happening in the background whenever we talked to him.

Yesterday, something big clanged.

Big clang out of something.

I don't know what it was.

Distracted me a little bit, but he was giving a real answer, so I had to make sure, hey, don't look like the dipshit idiot.

Paparazzi fell through his roof, probably.

It might have been Paparazzi.

Yeah.

Maybe clanging one of those cameras off of something.

He did not like that.

He did not like that, AJ.

I mean, I think he got a message out there.

Like,

what'd you say?

Does that feel good?

Did that feel good?

Like, that was the perfect response to what his little five-minute, I guess, you know, you led him into it, asked him a little bit, and he just really opened up.

Let us know how he feels.

Well, I just want to say we wanted to be invited to the reception.

Yeah.

I think we're pretty good at a reception, too.

Oh, yeah.

I feel like we are a good group at one of those events.

We're all supposed to have a good time.

Yes, we're all trying to have a good time.

Yes, we're great for those events.

We think if there's people that are a little miserable, those people will certainly, they don't like our style.

You know, I think they could potentially, but receptions, that's everybody's happy.

We were just trying to offer up services.

Like, hey, if you need vibes crew, we would love to come through.

I did not know where we were headed.

I did not, and there were three different times I was going to say that you did that feel good because I thought he was done, and then he remembered something else.

And then he remembered something else.

It was like, all right, good luck.

I'm happy you're doing that.

I'm thankful that he had the opportunity to be able to do that.

And I think everybody knows exactly where he stands at this exact moment.

Speaking of knowing exactly where somebody stands at this exact moment,

John Jones retired.

Yeah.

Wow.

Hell of a run, John.

Damn.

Mr.

John.

Hell of a run, John.

As a fighter, obviously, I mean,

just as electric as they come.

You know, I didn't get to be of age during the Tyson run.

I didn't have the opportunity to, I really had the Tyson punch out game era.

You know, looking back on it, watching the highlights.

Now at this stage, watching the documentaries, reading the books that Mark Kriegel wrote, like, I didn't have a chance to experience.

I got to experience the John Jones era, though.

And when you talk about from a business sense, we're talking shoes, we're talking cereal boxes we're talking everything a Nike deal I believe you're talking about everything he took over it all as a rock star in the ring and obviously it was at about the same time as the UFC was taking off so you're talking about a superstar for a company transitioning and changing into a global sensation at the same exact time you're talking real power that's what John Jones had Whenever he would fight, people would stop what they were doing.

We had an opportunity.

I had the opportunity to meet, obviously, his brothers, brothers, his family, him.

I got a chance to go watch his fight out in Baltimore when he just toyed with a guy for like four rounds, just had a good time with him.

He would have those elbows out of nowhere.

And then if he'll get on the ground, he'd be able to choke you out.

He had it all.

He had it all at such a young age, and he was so incredibly athletic.

So the fact that he would no longer be fighting, obviously we're bummed out about.

But I think over the last few years, you know, we...

we've all come to realize that anything was possible with John Jones.

And that's kind of the fighting world.

You know, a lot of people like to judge these fighters, judge these fighters, and they're like not perfect citizens.

And of course, that's not great for anybody or any community whenever that's the case.

But they are literally the people that are signing up to go in there and maybe die.

Like every once in a while, there's going to be another trait that comes alongside the brain that it takes to have that as their profession.

That not everything's going to be perfect.

I think obviously that's a story of a lot of fighting humans because of what takes place and the courage it takes to have this as your profession.

So congrats to John Jones.

We appreciate the hell out of him for what he did for sports.

And And what a fucking monster he was in the octagon.

I hope it's one of these, you know, MMA slash boxing retirements where maybe a year from now he gets the itch and he comes back out and we get to see him fight again because his only loss is what a DQ, a garbage DQ.

He needed down guy, I believe.

Whatever it was back in the day.

Elbow, yeah, whatever it was.

He doesn't have any real losses.

Like, that's unheard of.

And how many times he put his title on the line.

So what a fun dude to watch.

Took crazy chances.

And to him, I don't think it didn't feel like he was taking chances.

He's like, Yeah, this is what I do.

This is just who I am.

He was a needle mover.

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This weekend, ladies and gentlemen, with his 13th professional fight.

This guy will be fighting Julio Caesar Chavez Jr.

in Anaheim, California.

He's a star of the reality show, Paul American.

He's a trailblazer, a businessman, and a full-time boxer, much to the chagrin of the people who thought he was just doing it for attention years and years ago.

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, Jake Paul.

How are you, buddy?

Oh, I think you're muted.

Hold on.

It's on us, baby.

Hola.

Hola.

Hola.

How are you doing, brother?

How you feeling?

Muza, bien tú.

Hey, moy bien, moy bien.

I appreciate you.

I know you've been obviously living down in Puerto Rico, and I think they call you.

What's your nickname down there?

El Gallo.

El Gallo.

Obviously, El Gallo heads into the ring this weekend with an absolute legend.

How is El Gallo feeling?

Best camp?

Best shape?

How do you feel right now?

And I'm ready to go.

You know, a lot of fighters come on here and say, oh, I had the best camp.

I did the best stuff.

This is truly how I feel.

statistically, best shape of my life, lowest heart rate, max rounds, speed, power, everything.

I'm feeling amazing.

So this Saturday, Chavez is getting put to sleep.

Another legendary name on the hit list.

Yeah, I'm excited to watch.

I'm excited to see you as a boxer.

I think what we've all noticed is I think we have followed.

your entire boxing career as a show.

I think we were a young show whenever you were getting started in it all, whenever everybody was attacking you.

I think what we have seen is you've gotten better each fight.

And I think that that comes from, obviously, your commitment and your training.

You're still full-time boxing year-round, right?

Life is a fight camp for you still at this point.

And how excited are you that I think everybody else is coming around to that as well?

It's not just people attacking you for boxing now.

Yeah, look, I've always known what I was capable of, and I always saw the vision of where this was going to go and what I was going to become.

So for me, I'm just doing exactly what I manifested and saw in my head.

And everyone else is catching up.

There is respect and all of these things.

But I always knew I was going to become one of the best fighters in the world.

I'm still on the goal to become world champion.

And pretty much that's the only thing left I have to do in this sport.

Had the most viewed fight ever, knockout of the year, beat a bunch of legends, but now I want to become world champion.

And Chavez this Saturday is the step to get there.

to be able to be ranked by the sanctioning bodies.

And it just feels good to continue to improve uh fight by fight i'm thinking this is going to be my breakout performance okay so to be ranked by the sanctioning bodies we saw that if you if you when you win if you win this weekend as non-biased journalist obviously uh you will be uh ranked you will become a ranked fighter is what they're saying did you know that it would take 13 fights or why is it now is it is it just more people realizing who you are what you're doing and what does this mean for your future opponents do you think now more ranked boxers will want to take you on or will they be forced to take you on is there anything like that

yeah exactly so i think i think it came to a point where the sanctioning bodies were like wow this guy is serious he's now fighting a former world champion chavez is a great great fighter 60 fights and if jake can beat him then we will rank him and once i'm ranked then other ranked fighters will be forced to fight me um in other words that means i could potentially be up to fight fight for world championship, and that would be the goal, and obviously, the dream.

So, this fight is super important to me.

I need to have an amazing performance to be able to be ranked on the path to world championship.

Yeah, but good for you, man.

Earning this the entire way because you've been calling your shot since the beginning, calling your shot since the beginning.

You said manifest it.

Obviously, anytime you say something publicly, you're going to be publicly pressured to see if you can accomplish it or not.

You've stuck the course, even when there's been immense amount of shit being talked about you.

Go ahead, AJ.

Yeah, Jake, I know you said you mentioned earlier you're going to put him to sleep.

Do you care how you win?

Like, obviously, a win is the number one thing, but do you care?

Do you want to put on a show?

Do you want to put people to sleep every single time you step into that ring?

I always want to knock out my opponents.

That's what boxing is about.

And boxing has been boring lately.

People running around the rings, not a lot of good fights.

So I want to be the guy that's known for having the biggest knockouts, the most exciting fights.

And that's what I hope to do on Saturday.

This is not just going to be a win.

This is is going to be an all-star performance and a highlight real KO.

I love that.

Hell yeah.

That was like when Sugar Sean, you know, Sugar Sean was like, Hey, I'm here to put on the Sugar Show.

I understand that whenever I'm doing my thing in here, people would like to watch it.

That's good news.

Like, when people want to watch you and draw eyeballs, you already said, uh, the biggest, what, what was your record you dropped there in your last was it biggest gate?

Uh,

the biggest, biggest, uh, most watched fight ever with Tyson, 128 million viewers.

Geez, boom,

El Gallo!

El Gallo, that's awesome, man.

Good for you.

Connor has a question for you about your next fight.

Yeah, Jake.

So, was Chavez picked basically because you could become

a ranked sanctioned fighter?

Was that the main reasoning?

I assume so many people are probably reaching out wanting the fight versus you, but was that the thought around that?

Or is it because he is so experienced and has such a great resume?

Yeah, no, it was definitely all three of those things.

We knew that if I were to beat Chavez, then I would be able to be ranked,

but also because of his name, his father's, you know, legend in the sport.

And so it would be something that the fight, the fans would want to see.

And so that was an important factor to it.

And then also being able to be ranked.

From the very beginning, it felt like you would say things and names and then people wouldn't take the fight.

So you could very easily say, oh, these people are ducking me.

These people are ducking me.

These people are ducking me.

Then, as it continues to roll on, it's like people might not want to fight Jake Ball, especially after the big knockouts happen.

And then they're like, Well, you don't want to be on the receiving end of that.

But we wonder about the people that actually do take the fights with you.

Do you think there's a common thread?

Ty has a question.

Yeah, Jake, I'm guessing you don't give a shit about like what people on Twitter are saying about your career.

But when it comes to like your opponents, do you think at this point, do people still underestimate you and think everything's kind of a gimmick?

Or do you think they understand now, like, hey, if I don't take this guy seriously, there is a very real chance that I can get put to sleep?

I think my opponents take me very, very seriously.

I think that the people on Twitter and the regular fans genuinely think that my fights are rigged right.

Dano White.

started this rumor.

He started this rumor that I was on steroids, this battle and warfare back and forth between us two.

And I take it as a compliment because people genuinely can't even believe the fact that I've beaten some of the names that I've beaten and they chalk it up to that it has to be fake and that he paid these people millions and millions of dollars to take dives.

So I find it flattering, but at the end of the day,

my opponents have to take me seriously and they know what I'm capable of.

The rigging fight thing pissed you off, I assume.

Obviously, that's like the worst thing that could go for your credibility.

Honestly, bro, not like yes and no, but you have to understand like we live in a world full of idiots and the media is controlling people's minds and people can't think for themselves, right?

I mean, we see all the madness in the world currently because of tweets and propaganda that they want to believe.

So there's so many sheep in the world who are getting herded up by these border collies and they aren't able to think for themselves.

So I honestly just feel bad for them.

And I hope that one day people can find psychedelics and awake spiritually and see see from a different level because we live in a sick world currently.

And

this just is one example of how dumb people are in believing these types of things.

Hey, Jake, real quick, two days in a row now, somebody has said that it's a sick world, sick society.

Aaron Rodgers said it yesterday, which I do believe you and he know each other at this point, right?

I think so?

Yeah, no, for sure.

And

he's on that same wavelength of hoping people that, or hoping that people can wake up and and see the world from a different perspective and that's that's what it took for me i was one of those people so that's why i preach it i was like awake emotionally didn't understand how my actions affect the world you know just going about life as another one of the the robots and it and it took a big transformation to to me for me to awake is that when you got into boxing

uh a little bit after that but boxing also helped with that and and helped me grow as a as a human and stuff but it takes a lot of effort and it's not easy to look yourself in the mirror because it's actually a journey inwards you have to stop blaming the rest of the world for everything and go inwards and that's where the awakening comes from and i think that's hard for a lot of people

how old are you

28.

You've lived a thousand years.

You've lived literally through all your, and we've seen it all.

You know, we've basically seen it all throughout your life.

I mean, it's every day, bro.

I saw a lot.

We've seen a lot of you throughout these life.

Uh, still very young.

Can't wait to see what you continue to do.

Let's talk about the fight a little bit.

Tone has a question for you.

Yeah, Jake, I'm sure you have something big already planned for your walkout, but I'm not sure if you've heard the song Rooster by Allison Chains.

That would go great with the El Gallo.

Just something to think about in the future.

But I'm gonna write it down: Rooster.

Yep, by Allison Chains.

What's it sound like, Tone?

Here, Jake.

Yeah,

here comes a Rooster.

Oh, yeah.

It's a pretty good song, actually.

Told me.

I mean, I had to go for it.

But

do you have something big planned for the walkout?

I have something funny planned for sure.

It should be a good moment.

Where does that fucking robot live?

He actually lives somewhere in Georgia, like a random city in Georgia where

the people who control and operate it, they just maintenance it and take care of it and all that stuff.

And then whenever we need it, we just fly it somewhere.

You FaceTime them every once in a while.

I'm the hey buddy, I'm cooking.

Don't worry about it.

The rooster's on it.

We'll bring you back out into the wild sometimes.

I don't.

I don't talk to my robot.

Smart.

That's a smart idea.

I don't think any of us should, actually.

We should continue to move forward.

All right, Jake, we appreciate the hell out of you, man.

You and your brother are absolutely crushing it.

And we continue to follow along with the journey.

And good luck this weekend.

Thank you, guys.

Thank you for having me as always.

Appreciate you.

Where are you at in weight loss?

I got like six more pounds to go.

So I'm feeling pretty skinny right now.

Pretty hungry.

Pretty ripped up.

We pretty ripped up right now.

I mean, I'm a fat kid, man.

Like, my brother got the good genes because even like, even like, this is like full weight cut.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Your brother has like the more defined body type.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

He doesn't even work out when he looks like that.

Yeah, he's unbelievable.

I said to him, I said, how do you look like that?

He goes, 100 push-ups a day.

And I was like, that's it?

No,

he does that as a troll.

Yeah, I know, Jake.

I know.

All right.

Good luck this weekend.

Good luck with the weight loss here, the man.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jake Paul.

I know, Jake.

Jesus.

I do 100 push-ups a day.

Okay.

That's it.

Then the next week, hey, how do I look like this?

100 push-ups a day.

I know that's not what you do.

Then next week, have you ever tried a weighted jump rope?

I'm like, no, but it sounds like you do.

So I am going to start doing that immediately.

It is awesome.

Oh, yeah.

The weighted jump rope is an awesome.

I mean, it's like, they talk about jump rope being like such a good, that's why all the boxers do it, tarred.

Your entire body needs it.

That's why committing to boxing is insane, especially as somebody who's already rich and successful and everything.

The amount of damage, obviously, that can take place, but the commitment and the type of commitment it takes to be be a boxer is not that's like not a fun thing you know like they talk about fighters with satin sheets like jake ball had numerous houses with a lot of beds all of them satin sheets could have picked to sleep in any state he wanted and he would have had satin sheets he's like you don't want i'm gonna be a professional boxer every day running every morning sweat every morning punched in the face every day it's like i have respect for it a lot of people at the beginning thought it was bullshit we kind of thought we were like there's no way he's gonna stay committed to boxing because how hard it is He's still with it.

He's still grinding.

And for that, we say good luck, brother.

Potentially going to be a ranked fighter.

Yeah.

It's insane to think about.

AJ, great work today.

Any final message for the people watching on TV?

I tell you what, Jake Paul got me excited to watch this fight.

No joke.

I'm going to tune in.

No, I don't know.

Did he say the robot's coming?

He did not.

He's in Georgia.

Doesn't sound like it.

Well, maybe a Georgia's.

What if George?

What if a robot broke up?

There might be a free robot in Georgia.

Everybody, look out.

All right, let's go get adding the show.

Imagine.

Oh, what a fucking joke.

Yeah.

He's going to do a funny entrance.

Yeah, what's the funny?

What's it going to be?

I don't know.

You remember that guy?

Who was that guy a couple years ago?

Oh, yeah.

Pakistan, I believe.

He was in.

He might have been in Pakistan.

He's dancing like an asshole coming in.

Yeah.

And they got knocked out right away.

Yeah, like full on.

Yeah.

Like through the ropes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Whole thing.

Have you seen this video?

I have not.

I haven't saved.

I watched it whenever I saw it, maybe 15 times a day.

That's just like

drinking out of cups, being a bitch.

Sure, yeah.

Yeah, drinking out of cups.

Drinking out of cups.

Yeah, that video.

Sure, that was that cup video you watched?

No, you're thinking of two girls, one cup, which I know is your favorite.

That one made me pure.

Let's not talk about that one.

We need to talk about good ones.

Let's get out of here.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

My God, oh my God.

Get out.

Get out.

Get out.

You're talking about the guy in the closet.

No, those bad ones are.

Why'd you do that?

That was a terrible time.

King of Titan Knots.

Yeah.

Love that.

Look at this guy.

Yeah.

That video.

I think that was, if I were to go back and my first YouTube video, it was drinking out of cops.

Me too.

Being a bitch.

Yeah, I love that.

Mr.

Walk Down Me.

That boxing one.

Yeah, all time.

Sidewalk?

Yeah, the boxing one.

That captivated me for a while.

Mr.

Walkway.

Mr.

Walk Down Me.

Didn't he get down?

Mr.

Walk Down me to get to the building.

Fuck you.

That video is so good, man.

Didn't somebody come out and and lie?

The guy that created it?

Because the whole thing was this dude tripping on drugs in a closet.

In a closet.

We've all known.

I'm from Pittsburgh, lived in West Virginia and Indianapolis.

We heard that.

You were up in Boston.

Yeah, and I'm younger than you.

Yeah, you heard that up there.

Then the guy came out, I think, and said that that was not the case.

It was something else.

Like, I forget what it was.

Maybe a voicemail or something.

Nah, I'm not living in that reality.

Me neither.

Here it is.

Is this?

I don't see.

Once again, I don't know maps or flags, I mean, as well.

I don't know.

That looks like England on the right.

And

just know that this guy

has no idea what's about that.

Yeah,

Uzi.

Can we turn the music on, too?

We can take strike for this, I think.

He is copyright free.

Oh, this is awesome.

Is this the real fight?

Oh, yeah.

Heavyweight champion of the world.

Heavyweight.

There's no way this guy is real.

15 times a day I watch this, like two years.

That's Uzi, heavyweight challenge.

This guy's a good boxer, you think.

First time I saw this, I'm like, yeah.

No fear.

Crowds, no fear.

The guy's like, all right, man, let's get in the ring.

Come on.

Hey, pretty big show.

Still going.

This guy's jacked.

Look at the people living with him.

I love it.

Oozy.

Uzi.

Uzi.

Booyah!

You gonna fight with the chaino?

It kind of looks like that kid that dances in that Russian nightblood a little bit, too.

It might be him.

What happened to him after this fight?

You'll see.

Well,

don't worry, there's more.

Oh,

the intimidator.

You gotta kiss him?

Try to.

A lot of that in face-offs, I've noticed.

Yeah.

These.

You're both on the rules.

Watch your heads.

Good.

Pick the patches up.

Now shout, Pike.

Let's get to it.

I mean, Uzi didn't look like he had much of a chance.

He thought he did, though.

I mean, his tan straight away.

He'll always have that walk-in.

I didn't feel so good for that guy.

Holy shit.

Hey, Uzi, we appreciate your confidence.

Like, that's the type of confidence you need as a quarterback.

That's right.

As a cornerback, as a punter, as a kicker, as a pitcher, as a batter, as a boxer, as a fighter.

Amen.

Uzi had it.

He did.

Just didn't have that ability, you know?

He was eight and nine in his career.

Every time, too yeah that was actually at 63

that was a good time that took me back to a good time right there yeah i would open my phone that motherfucker start dancing yep

and then what is it i needed my ringtone

oh no oh no but

I don't believe this.

I don't believe this comment.

I don't believe this comment.

They said the entrance was from another fight.

No way.

Because he was in the guy's face.

This is a lie.

Yeah.

This is Uzi.

That's a fake account from Uzi.

I'm not living in that world.

I'm not living in that world.

Block them.

Edit it.

Get it out.

That was so good.

The best.

Yeah, I've never seen that.

Oh, yeah.

I had so much fun with that.

Top notch.

That's a good wake-up in the morning.

Fantastic.

Yeah.

And also, it's a good reminder.

Okay.

Oh, no.

Life's going to life out there.

Nothing.

Okay.

Life's going to life out there.

Let's never be too confident to the point of where we're arrogant.

Let's never be too bummed out to the point of where we're depressed.

Let's make sure we understand that there is a life that we can live where we can get high on the highs,

but not until after they're done.

And never get too low in the lows because the highs are coming again.

Uzi is a great example of that.

He did that entrance.

Every single time.

He got knocked out nine times.

And on that 10th one, if he was to walk out there again, what would he do, D-butt?

He'd do that same walkout, that's for damn sure.

Bingo.

Wow.

Jeez.

Glad I saw that.

Is he a real boxer or is this just like

AJ?

Frank?

Yeah, this isn't like influencer fight night here.

He's saying shit, Gammy.

That's not Sketch walking out there.

No.

Which would like, I don't want to see Sketch ever get beat up.

I need to see it.

Obviously, we'd never like to see him.

No.

Him in Charleston.

It's all about Uzzy.

I'd like to see Uzi maybe step back in the ring, though.

Yeah, he should.

Uzzi.

He's going to fight.

Fight Mitt?

No, John Jones comes out of retirement, fights Uzzy.

Uzzy.

John Jones.

Yeah.

On HBO Supermatch.

There you go.

$29.99.

You can watch John Jones play drums with Uzi's face.

I'm there.

All right, this goes in.

It's happening.

Okay.

Boom.

Yesterday we got World Peace.

Yep.

Have we seen anything that would go against that?

No.

No.

Actually, I think yesterday was actually pretty well.

Boom.

There you have it.

Okay.

Just like you said.

Yeah.

This one's for Uzzy and Jones.

Maybe just an Uzzy return.

Okay.

Yeah.

How old is Uzzy right now?

He's still hungry.

He's 43.

Okay, so when Tony's clear.

he's 43.

When you gave us the uh-oh earlier, I thought there was a chance that Ozzy was passed away.

And maybe actually even died after that fight.

Yeah, that's true.

No, that is not the case.

Okay, that's great news.

All right, let's go.

He gets a fight.

So he gets still.

I was watching a video where he was teaching everyone how to do the walkout dance.

We know.

We just did it.

Yeah, we've seen it.

Yeah.

We did it.

Ozzy, John Jones.

John Jones.

Come into

a streaming platform near you.

Come on, Universe, give it to us.

Izzy!

Oh, too strong, like Isaac.

It looks good.

Yep.

All right, this one's for Jake.

All right, there we go.

Bang.

Uh-oh.

That's a big one.

That was him.

That wasn't Jake Paul.

No.

That was another Jake guy.

Jake the Snake.

Stay for him.

I don't know what Jake Steak Roberts is doing right now, but

I hope he knows that the Universe Ball.

I'm sure Jake the Snake's doing awesome, whatever he's doing, but the Universe Ball for not Jake the Snake, but the Jake Doordash guy who

always spills the damn thing.

Yeah, he does.

Jake the Snake's probably doing yoga with DDP.

That was a great episode.

I enjoyed watching that.

DDP has really done a lot of very good things with his yoga.

I might need to get into it.

I actually can't touch my goddamn toes.

I can get in that power pose, though.

Yeah.

There you go.

That's your putting pose.

Yeah, it might help the golf game.

We haven't even talked about it.

Age, you have no idea what's going on right now.

What?

I'm about to be getting back to the game.

I might be getting back into the game in a big way.

Really?

I know Keegan.

Keegan was awesome, by the way.

He was great.

He told us to send you his love.

He's a big fan.

I've been a fan of that dude forever.

He should absolutely play in the Ryder Cup, by the way.

Just put himself on the squad and play.

Especially after how I heard him just talk.

Yeah, I felt invincible.

That's a Sunday of a $3.5 million purse winner.

We would like guys to feel that way on Sundays to represent the country.

But he's got a tough decision to make.

Maybe he just wants to also just be a coach out there.

Maybe he just wants to be a captain, be a leader.

He got to do what he's got to do.

And maybe he wins this weekend.

We shall see.

But I'm getting those lab putts, putters.

Yep.

Rub against that forearm.

Brace it.

Boom.

So it can't move because then it's directly with your arm there.

You see?

So as long as your arm rolls to the hole.

You see and then the right hand.

That's the feel.

Let's go.

Just like we're playing cornhole with that thing.

Just like we're playing.

And then it's a hockey mix.

Yep.

Feels like I got putting figured out.

Yep.

Driving's figured out.

You got it.

Driving's figured out because I watch

Kiwa Shama.

Yep.

I believe is his name with the Kiwa Shallow technique.

He goes here, then hands here,

then boom.

Then you're hitting a draw every single time.

Every time.

He said he could do it with any sport.

Any sport.

You got a baseball bat.

He's like, see?

See?

See?

Then he grabs his club.

See?

And

beautiful.

Your irons are figured out because you're going ear to ear.

See, I've got an ear to ear, 146, right here.

146, 9-iron, right?

To right here.

What is ear to ear?

Yeah.

How is ear to ear?

How do you club?

He hammers his hands.

Probably hands.

Because he has a little knockdown.

Boom.

Yeah.

Yeah, there you go.

That's perfect.

That's 146.

I'm a little worried I might have the Kiwa Shallo into

my irons.

So still play.

but yeah I think I'm getting back into golf I'm gonna I'm gonna make a run at it at least I'm gonna make a run at it and then if I'm not good officially giving it up forever there you go boom when do we it's fair at least you gave it another chance

and this is it

I'm not playing with this this ain't my putter no why isn't Kiwashawa on uh on the PGA tour or Leonardo to be honest I don't think he's been given the opportunity he he needs to be on the champions tour and or the PGA tour I don't know his age every shot I've ever seen him hit.

Yeah, perfect.

He can't pull on a course.

Yeah, I've seen him on a course.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah, I've done a hole with him.

No, he

actually doesn't love,

you know, everything that goes on with those tours.

He won every single event in the Japanese tour for like six straight years.

That's a lot of good coffers.

DP World Tour?

No, he doesn't love that either.

Oh, okay.

Just the Japanese tour.

I think what he loves doing is just sitting at that driving range that's perfectly lit and just smoking draws.

Just everybody else at the entire range is like,

this fucking guy.

He was going today.

If you haven't seen him yet, can he hit a little fade, though?

Can he hit a fade if he wants to?

Here it is.

Anything he wants.

Under feet.

Yeah.

That's the key.

Can you get to his driver?

Is he hitting into a green screen?

What?

You can leave it up.

You can leave it up.

No, sir.

You can leave the greens up.

Yep.

Here it is.

Oh, there it is.

Throw it.

Boom.

That's an X.

That's no.

No.

No.

No.

Boom.

No.

You see what you're doing?

No.

Fade.

You see what you just did?

Here.

Oh,

point on, come on.

Point on, come on.

Boom.

Out of pocket.

Almost like a little Jim Furik action.

Boom.

Yeah.

He's got a little JF in him.

Did you get to one of the videos where he's holding like a box or something?

Present cups coming.

Swing coach.

He is my personal swing coach.

I've not paid him a dime.

Do the baseball one, maybe.

Is that a baseball one right there?

Swing while walking backwards.

Like Shohay with Tony.

Look, bang.

This is awesome.

Bang.

That's what you need to do.

Huh?

Right here.

Bang.

You see?

It's like a baseball.

Gone.

Smoked.

So easy.

Yeah, it's easy.

He's doing it like Shohei.

You see?

Take that fucker right there.

You turn it.

Down around.

It ain't hard.

He's been my swing coach for the last three months.

I've been watching every video.

I had a lacrosse stick out there, had a hockey stick out there.

He knows.

Mental row.

That's coward.

I'm laying down.

I get up.

Stretches out of the middle of nowhere.

Fucking like that.

I need to give it one more go.

One more go.

Is that a ping-pong paddle?

Up?

Yep.

Do that one.

No, that's not.

That's a hammer.

He can do it with a hammer, though, obviously.

See how I hit that 300 yards there.

No, he's just telling you, look, look, look, look.

This is what you're doing.

This is what you need to do.

When hitting with a hammer, do not turn the face.

What are you doing?

Just hit the fucking hammer, he said.

Everybody's turning their hands.

Don't turn your hands.

He's a great teacher.

Just hit the fucking thing, he says.

That's what he said?

Yeah.

He said, don't turn the hammer.

Just fucking pow.

Gone.

Holy shit.

Smokes, balls.

That would be nice.

Every time I've seen this guy hit a ball, it's that.

And then he missed the birdie putt and he tapped in for par.

Just the most giwa shallow thing I could imagine.

Didn't want to be too arrogant, you know, just wanted to be casual.

Wants me to be a better golfer.

And he's talked me into it.

He needs to know he has talked me into it.

I'm giving him one last chance.

without saying a fucking word

i don't i don't think one word has been spoken by him or me always

i wonder if miz watches this page no miz he's a righty obviously the world's working against me i'm a lefty the whole thing he's still doing a miz golf i think yeah

how's he doing is he so bad killing it he's killing it he's losing is he at the tahoe

He will be.

Get the ping pop.

He hits good shots, though.

He says Miz shows some of his bad shots, which most people, like, you know, this gentleman, I haven't seen him show any bad shots.

He doesn't.

He doesn't have any.

He doesn't have any.

Look, he's like, what you're hitting, just like a ping-pong paddle.

That's both to me.

Maybe when he was 10, compared to this guy, Miz.

Silky Smooth.

What do you mean, Silky Smooth?

Perfect form, brother.

Let's keep shallow.

Any of these sports, it's what you need to do.

He's a beast.

All right, if this goes in, I'm going to keep shallow myself back into golf.

Boom.

Oh, nice.

Come on.

If you miss it, this guy actually stinks.

I like that.

I love that.

That's real stakes.

If you miss that, that is a green screen.

Kiwa Shalo's not doing it on a goddamn green screen.

Let the

officide.

He wears hoodies in some because it's cold.

Do you think he would do that in a green screen?

Does Kim AC might be on?

Working, kid.

For Kiwa Shama.

Him too.

Yes.

Oh no.

I thought it was green screen.

It just reached a green screen.

It did, kind of.

Guy couldn't make his high school team.

Yes, he did.

You can get that with your leg.

There it is.

You see?

high school team.

Just let a unicorn speak to me.

Sick woman.

I don't believe all it.

I'm not a robot.

Oh, no.

Oh, cool.

Sorry, Cowa.

That's not good.

What's his day job?

You think?

Golf!

You're looking at it.

You see Tatum's new Jordans?

They look just like those, except they're all white with a little black.

I like that?

Yeah, the new version of his shoes.

Who all has shoes now at this point?

Does Caitlin have shoes, or is she wearing the she has kobe hers just got announced this week okay so she has sabrina has shoes too right yeah sabrina

has nice shoes very they're sweet i like

yeah i like sabrina shoes as well asia has shoes asia has shoes kd has shoes andrew reese has shoes rebought i think trey young has a shoes

lebron has a lot of shoes jaw has shoes yeah we did and then they they stopped and they're they're back i believe yeah kids love his shoes too yeah they're they're

shoes everybody loves the super loud shoes Ross had shoes.

I can't do the super loud shoes.

Told Tyrese, hey, you should just make some crispy all-white shoes.

Yeah,

Tatum snake those.

If you can pull them up, they are filthy.

I'm not a white shoe guy.

I'm not a shoe guy in general, but I'm not a white shoe guy.

They are so sweet.

What do you mean you're not a white shoe guy?

It's because all my stuff, I don't like having shoes in general, let alone white ones.

Just because they get dirty.

Hunter's a one-pair of year guy.

They're always black.

Yeah, I'm a one-pair-a-year guy, and they're black shoes.

But you can walk to avoid danger for said shoes.

Yeah.

But inevitably, something will happen.

Of course.

Like, why put any real estate in my brain about wanting my shoes to stay clean when they're going to get dirty?

No, but you're not expecting.

You don't.

I mean, there is like a hope that they would stay clean.

No, I had those West Virginia ones that were white.

They didn't last a week.

Yeah, bingo.

They lasted a month at most.

Yeah, but like you would take the mud path over like a chance for cement that'll add four feet.

Yeah,

exactly.

So don't do that in the Tatum.

Can we show the Tatum shoes, please?

I want to be right about shoes for once in my life.

Okay, get them.

Will you get them?

I want to just show them.

Kyrie just dropped some shoes.

Kyrie's shoes are sweet.

Can't get those.

What are those?

Where are they from?

Exactly.

You know.

Those are Tatum.

That's where all our shoes are from.

Yeah.

What do you mean?

I mean, close?

Those are the all-whites?

No, those are...

That's a sneaker collection.

But it's fine.

But I'll find them later.

Can you Google Jason Tatum's

Jason Tatum's shoes?

White.

Oh, there they are.

Ooh.

Down.

They got a little pink and blue in these ones.

The Jordan Tatum threes?

No, those aren't them.

It's all right.

What number is it?

Four, five?

What number would it be?

I'm not sure.

I just know that they just dropped the

designs for him.

I don't know if they're even on his website at this point.

Oh, you got advanced screenings?

No, it was on X.

Unreleased.

It was on X.

Like, this is Jason Tatum's next shoe.

Really?

All white, just like those, except there wasn't any red.

It is hard to find all-white shoes these days.

That's why Air Force One's always going to be

the best.

These ones are all white.

They are sick.

I forgot Tatum was

me too.

I forgot either.

bruce just sent into the group luca zion yeah he's jordan him and oh

yeah those are really nice those are those are sweet i like those yeah so okay are you gonna wear those i'll get you a pair of those i'd like to get you a few pairs of those yeah we'll see probably not the back has 20 listen you got an inside pair you got an outside pair bub

you got an inside that's a good point i could probably wear i like yeah look at that that's filthy Those are really nice shoes.

That was a great idea by Tatum.

Need some buckets in those.

Or Jordan, whoever the people that designed would love to wear those are those was your jacket con holy smokes can you imagine oh

especially if you had leather pants on too oh i put my leather pants on it's all the law she wrote please put leather pants on

so fast that was those leather crabbits if you had yeah let's not let's not do any squatting uh aggressive squatting uh leather pants leather jacket those shoes steal the room brother

steal the room steal the moon yeah you're right You're right.

Not getting into it.

All right, let's get out of here.

Is it?

Do we know?

I don't know.

We planted our flag there.

I lose the moon.

That's somebody's shoes.

Shoes are available.

Those shoes are available?

I think so.

Oh, you're talking about the moon being available.

No, the JT5.

We planted our flag.

And the moon's ours.

It's our moon.

Okay.

We got a guy there right now, they said.

Yeah, we got a guy up there.

What's he doing?

Hanging out.

Just walking around.

He's alive.

Yep.

Boom.

Boom.

By himself.

No way to get off the stopping.

Taking out a golf club, hitting a moon rock.

Yep.

Boom.

Boom.

20 miles into space.

Here's another one.

Is he skipping rocks?

Could be.

Maybe.

What if he's

Kawashawa?

That's not his name.

That was disrespectful.

But I understand what

he might.

What is it?

Kiwashama?

It was close.

Kawashawa.

I wonder if Kiwashama would be able to hit a draw with no gravity.

I'd assume so.

Yeah.

You find a way.

It goes forever.

Never stops.

If there's spin, does it matter if there's no

question for Kiyoshalo, he can do it.

Same green screen.

Yep.

Moon, driver range.

Fuck it.

Whatever gimmick you need it for.

On that note, we're out of here.

I don't like what you just did, mister.

You can talk about the moon in the green screen all you want.

Okay?

Seems like that is a growing conversation in this particular office, and it'll probably always be.

But for Kawamura, Yosuke,

Kawamura.

Okay.

So we're all saying it.

Okay, so everybody's wrong.

You guys are disgusting.

No, you guys are disgusting.

Kawashallo.

We call him Kawa Sala.

Honey Boo.

His swing technique is called Kawasako.

It's called Kawashallo.

That is what the swing is called.

He calls it that.

We did not create that.

It's crazy.

It's Coach Cowell.

Follow along with Kawa Shallow's teaching.

He is a golf coach.

Tips for all golfer.

Kawa Shallow's secret.

It says right there.

Boom.

Kawa Shallow's secret.

Idiot.

We should tip him, though.

I've taken 10 hours worth of golf lessons from this guy.

He's got 1.1 million students.

He should have more.

He's unbelievable.

He's flying in.

Truly.

This guy's unbelievable.

That's a long flight.

We should fly him in.

Do we know where he lives?

I think it is.

I'm not saying it, but I believe it's in Japan.

I believe he is.

Kyoto.

I think I've seen Kyoto somewhere around his.

Is that driving range?

It might be.

Lucas Patrick knows the deal.

He follows him too.

I believe he wants to.

My golf game, go up.

My golf game has become easier since I realized that I all right, I can't read.

And the fucking man.

That I can impact like a baseball, he says.

Like I can impact like a baseball.

Boom.

Baseball.

What's the rest of that say?

You know, their language is tough to figure out.

I think it says, now watch me hit this drive.

Yeah.

That's what I thought.

Oh, he said, I thought the slice wouldn't be fixed without flipping and then water because

it was splash.

Sir.

When's the last post he had?

Beautiful scenery.

That's

2022.

That's his pinned one.

That's a pinned one.

Learn the platform.

Wake up.

Watch me hit this drive.

Do the cow swing image there, please.

When was that?

Boom.

21 hours ago.

Okay, good.

I'm telling you, yes, he's still with it.

What are you talking about?

I'm with the.

That'll be the first.

When I open this, I assume it'll be the first thing that I pull up.

Oh, it's not, actually.

Right there.

You make it look way too easy, Kawa.

Steve Hagpath guest.

Is Liver King all right?

That's what just popped up on my album.

No, he is, man.

All right, let's get out of here.

No,

I thought Cowan Shallow was going to pop up.

Liver King.

It was not the cow.

He's attacking people.

Yeah, he's not into the kids.

No, no way.

All right.

Let's get out of here.

Holy shit.

My algorithm just had a big one down.

I saw it from his videos, man.

Yeah.

Scary.

Okay, I would like to say this.

I've known nothing about the lead up to whatever this video is, but this one had a lot of big words across the talk.

He's attacking a big name.

Whoa.

I've seen that.

He had a run.

When was that?

Two years ago?

Three years ago?

Now there's no untold about him on Netflix.

Be your friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life.

Know that story goes.

We do.

Yeah.

We're in this thing together.

Good luck to all parties.

And my algorithm.

Can we get some more Tawashallo, please?

Instead of whatever that was.

A lot of exclamation points.

Yeah.

Big names.

Boom, bang.

I need to see it.

I don't like my algorithm.

Yeah.

Let's have a positive day.

Amen.

We've shot all the balls.

Yeah, no balls left.

Universe ball ball says it's good.

Yeah, let's just have one.

Let's have one.

Great work in the back.

Nothing.

Locked in.

I think they're a little bit worried about what I just saw.

They might be.

Certainly cause for concern.

Team on three.

Team on me.

Team on three.

One, two, three.

Team.

Goodbye.

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