PMS 2.0 1366 - NBA Finals Game 7 Recap, Kendrick Perkins, Shams Charania, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this championship over Reaction Monday, June 23rd, 2025, this program begins now.

Speaker 1 Sports!

Speaker 1 Had a championship moment last night as the Oklahoma City Thunder win their first ever NBA championship.

Speaker 1 SGA cracks into history books even more, being the point score king of the NBA, the MVP, the Western Conference Finals MVP, and the Finals MVP, SGA, Jay Dobb, Chad Holmgren, and Crewe.

Speaker 1 Not to mention Paisano Caruso, who started going bananas on a few different occasions out of nowhere. Coach Daggs over there, and I do believe they say Nalt at the end of his name.

Speaker 1 Got a chance to listen to him chit-chat with SVP. after the game last night.
He is just, I mean, he's just right here. Yep.
He was just right here.

Speaker 1 You just won a title for the the first time in your program's history. You're right here, right here.
How about all the guys you still have back? You don't really have a lot of contract disputes.

Speaker 1 Seems like this team's going to be fully back next year. You kind of got a Florida Panthers thing going right now at this point, even if you're at Adsman, just right here.
How you doing?

Speaker 1 Keep it moving. Their fan base, spectacular.
All the way in from beginning to end.

Speaker 1 And whenever you start talking about the history books, there's numerous things that they were able to accomplish this season that'll be talked about forever.

Speaker 1 And I can't help but tip my cap, proverbial, to the Oklahoma City fan base, their team, their general manager, their front office, their coach, and everybody.

Speaker 1 That was an awesome series. It was an awesome series to watch.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 Indiana Pacers,

Speaker 1 very early in that game, lost a man who was shooting at a bucket that seemingly was three sizes too big.

Speaker 1 A man who was already nine points down in the first, very rarely does Tyrese Halliburton come out and just start, hey, we're taking it to the bucket, we're filling it up.

Speaker 1 He's a feel-out type guy early. Then, whenever you need him late, it's whenever he starts getting hot, he goes three for three.
Now we got nine points. Life is good.
We're going to win the NBA title.

Speaker 1 Hascal C. Hockam's doing his thing.
Nemhard's going crazy. Nispa's doing his stuff.
TJ McConnell's going to do his thing whenever he gets in here. No problems.
Obi Taupin, hair looks sweet.

Speaker 1 Hair look really sweet after a game. He's going to go crazy.
And Coach Tricky Ricky Carlisle has got a plan that for one game, the entire season means nothing. It's just about tonight.

Speaker 1 In one game, the Pacers are going to be NBA. Then Tyrese tears his Achilles, we all assume.

Speaker 1 Saw that thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. It really.
So bad. Heartbreaking.
I was sick to my stomach. It was tough.
Felt so bad. Obviously, the immediate reaction, Tyrese knew what was going on.

Speaker 1 And they've been saying it's an Achilles injury. I think anybody with eyes saw what happened there as the reverb goes up the leg.

Speaker 1 And it's just a heartbreaker for all of Indianapolis, obviously for Tyrese, his family, but I think for sports as a whole, because game seven is supposed to be best on best.

Speaker 1 We lose out on Tyrese Halliburton early with an injury, and I'll be excited to see what all, and by excited, I mean eager to see what all injuries were happening, you know, because there was a lot of tweets going out about fake injuries and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. Before the Achilles.
him battling through for our team, for our city. We're obviously incredibly grateful for.

Speaker 1 But then once you see the Tyrese Halliburton situation move on, it's like, okay, now you're playing for Hallie. The boys start playing.
We have the lead at at halftime.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay, Tricky Ricky's got to figure it out. And then that second half,

Speaker 1 Coach Daggs also figured it out. And they ran with it.
And they ended up dominating in the second half and winning their first ever title.

Speaker 1 And now we're going to watch what a parade looks like in Oklahoma City. I assume it is going to be vast.

Speaker 1 I assume it is going to be massive. And they have a lot to celebrate over there, especially what the future looks like.
And for our future, I think we still got a lot of dogs on this roster.

Speaker 1 Tyrese, I mean, if it is Torn, the Achilles, which once again, we all assume we have not been told any information that nobody else has been told. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 But I'm saying if it is torn, I mean, they talk about the comeback for that a long time. So next year, we're going to have to have a full plan.

Speaker 1 It was a devastating end for the Pacers season, but still one to be celebrated because how the boys played and how the boys showed up and how they were overlooked, undervalued, and even voted overrated.

Speaker 1 in the entire league. The way they showed up back-to-back years, I'm incredibly proud of that Pacers team.
Go run, boys.

Speaker 1 Goes, go run. Goes, Jenny.
Great run.

Speaker 1 But now we stare down at time

Speaker 1 where the NFL is helping me this way.

Speaker 2 73 days to NFL football.

Speaker 1 Okay. That doesn't sound too bad.
That's not that bad.

Speaker 1 73 is not bad. No.
That's just like 12 hours in a holding cell. It doesn't seem bad when you're looking back at it.
Like for me for my public intoxication. But boy, when you're in there.

Speaker 1 Long time. You know, it feels like forever.

Speaker 1 When's forever? Right now, brother. You know, you're sitting in there thinking, how you can Andy Dufrane? We got 73 days to the NFL.
We're going to celebrate the hell out of Oklahoma City today, okay?

Speaker 1 I think it's the right thing to do. Kendrick Perkins will be joining us in 10 minutes.
I assume he's going to take a victory left

Speaker 1 as he should. Cannot wait to catch up with Big Perk.

Speaker 1 Cannot wait to chit-chat about his thoughts on Oklahoma City winning a title, what it means for that city, what it means for that state, what it means for that organization that seemingly is only on the rise.

Speaker 1 Congrats to them. Good luck to everybody in the West.
The Pacers will be back. Let's go to the talks with table at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt.
Ty, what is on your head?

Speaker 3 Well, you know, you mentioned it. Everyone's kind of down in the dumps today, and rightfully so.
I mean, I was just heartbreaking last night, and I said, you know what?

Speaker 3 I'm going to have to kind of turn my attention to my other favorite team, and that would be the Yard Goats.

Speaker 1 Bubba Watson's

Speaker 1 Fairway Goats. It's Billy Goats.
No, it's Yard.

Speaker 3 It's Yard Goats. You can actually see the goat on here.
It's got the golf clubs, the rough, you know, a bunch of kind of like little

Speaker 3 range goats.

Speaker 3 Range goats. They are my favorite team.
It's Bubba Watson's team in Live.

Speaker 2 They're your favorite team.

Speaker 1 You just call them the Yard Goats. Like their Yard Bird Chicken.
That's not, we're just calling them the Yard Goats. They're the Range Goats because of the driving range, I would assume.

Speaker 1 When they walk out there, ba ha ha, they're goating around. On the course, we don't know yet.
But on the range, we know these boys can really pin it around.

Speaker 3 Sure, that certainly makes sense, but real OGs, like real fans of the team, we call them the yard goats because that's just what we've been doing from the get-go. So I thought, you know what?

Speaker 1 This hat's loud.

Speaker 3 It's in your face. It's aggressive.
I'm just trying to, you know, bring people's spirits up a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we need it here in Indianapolis. This city had come together around this time.
Nine-year NFL vettarius Jade Butler.

Speaker 1 Teepunch, obviously, down in South Florida when the Heatles had their run, you got a chance to experience it here in Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 What the Pacers did for this city was something I think we've needed since 2020.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think probably since, because this is a hosting city, a hospitable city, a place where the conventions that come here to town are massive for our business, our local business, our entire everything.

Speaker 1 The Indy 500's here every single year. That is massive business for Indianapolis.
We love hosting events. We love people coming into town.
2020 happens, no events, no nothing.

Speaker 1 So our entire city turns into a ghost town, let alone riots happening and then homeless.

Speaker 1 I don't know where they all, I mean, I don't know how it happened, but there was more homeless people.

Speaker 1 Our downtown became like a ghost city for a few years. And a lot of people wondered, are we going to be able to build this place back up into what it is?

Speaker 1 And then, obviously, the people of downtown Indianapolis and the people that work their asses off at Visit Indy, and I think there's a couple other boards, like, they went to work as soon as the world was opened back up.

Speaker 1 But it took a little bit to build and build and build, especially with the town. And it's like this run, this playoff run, it felt like Indianapolis was back.

Speaker 1 Like, it felt entirely like Indianapolis was fully back together. It was

Speaker 1 a wonderful electricity that was radiating through town. A lot of electricity.

Speaker 1 You mentioned since 2020, obviously, uh getting caitlin clark here the fever too that was that played a huge part they'll be hosting the w NBA all-star game but this run this playoff run not only just the finals just this run in general especially all the plays that Tyrese made all the comebacks all the buzzer beaters and then taking this dominant thunder team to a game seven obviously we didn't get it done we mean in you know Indiana the Pacer fan yes sir it's like it was you know yes sir That was fun.

Speaker 1 That was really fun. Cambridge, I think, was full last night with a watch party, watching the game.

Speaker 1 It It was tough. You mentioned the start, how that game started.
And even once Tyrese went down, the boys still falls a one-point game and halftime.

Speaker 1 Struggled there late. But AJA and its dominant OKC team, man, they've really been dominant wire to wire.
So for them to get it done, you've got to hats off to them.

Speaker 1 And the Pacers, man, hats off to Tricky Ricky and the squad. They gave it their all, and they brought this city, you know, back together.

Speaker 1 And I know Tyrese may be back out next year if it is an Achilles, which, you know, it kind of looks like.

Speaker 1 So it'd probably be a tough year next year, you would assume, but a hell of a ride this year. And hopefully we can get back to this point.
Well, and that's what's awesome about this year.

Speaker 2 Like last year, you go to the Eastern Conference finals, you know, get swept by the Celtics, and then no one talks about the season. Debo just mentioned the moments Tyrees has from this.

Speaker 2 postseason run on its own. I feel like everybody,

Speaker 2 no matter who you're a fan.

Speaker 1 Going into next year.

Speaker 2 Going into next year, going into just Tyrese's recovery, people are going to miss Tyrese. People are going to look forward to Tyrees being back.

Speaker 2 I mean, he had the first buzzer beater in a finals game since Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2 Like, the moments that he has had this postseason run aren't just, you know, hey, let's forget about it, run to the next thing.

Speaker 2 Like, Tyrese, it feels like, even though for us, you know, we've known he's a superstar for a long time, like, Tyrese this postseason feels like has become a household name. So it sucks.

Speaker 2 He's got to do the rehab and miss hall next year, assuming that he did Terror's Achilles.

Speaker 1 But overall, what a season for the Pacers. It was sweet to follow.
A lot of flowers getting sent to Halle after he gets injured, which I thought was cool.

Speaker 1 You know, from a lot of people that know ball. Now, granted, there's a lot of people that have been saying things about, to the contrary, about him being a guy and being a star.

Speaker 1 And then whenever he gets hurt, everybody's reaction is, oh, no. Like, that's a superstar.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, I don't want to go into the entire dynamics of the conversation about, you know, what this series was, who Tyrese was, and how it was being, you know, portrayed sometimes by sports media, which we...

Speaker 1 We are lucky to be a part of. When you have to talk every single day,

Speaker 1 get to, get to.

Speaker 1 But there are some things we have to talk about. You have to talk about the NBA finals because it's the biggest thing that's going on.
So you have to chit-chat about your opinions and thoughts.

Speaker 1 There's going to be some things that come out or some angles you're going to take that aren't right.

Speaker 1 But it felt like for Tyrese, since getting voted the most overrated player in the NBA by his peers, I don't know who those were, but by his peers via the athletic.

Speaker 1 Like it almost gave a green light, I think, to some people that were like, hey, this is how people view Tyrese. And it's like what he was able to piece together and accomplish in play.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't just him on that Pacers team, no, they had a lot of depth. They made it to the finals.
To make it to the finals, you're gonna have to have a lot of depth.

Speaker 1 You know, I think a lot of people find that out. You can't just have two good players, and everybody else stinks.
And not everybody stinks during the NBA, they'll kill us in LA Fitness.

Speaker 1 Obviously, but you got to have depth. You got to have a good team.
The Pacers certainly had a great team.

Speaker 1 And Pascal Siakam is a guy who is unbelievable, worthy of the MVP for the Eastern Conference Finals for sure. A man with Tyrese Halliburton is about to pass.
No, look, I

Speaker 1 to right there. And then Siakam Siakam is about to go in a couple people's heads real quick.

Speaker 1 Like the team was awesome, but Tyrese, you know, he's our guy. Like, he is the guy here in Indianapolis.
And seeing him go down was obviously heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 But I think the whole world got a chance to really realize he's entertaining.

Speaker 1 This dude's entertaining.

Speaker 1 He doesn't give canned answers. He will give actual answers.
He's very likable. Yeah, he's a great guy.
He's very, very likable.

Speaker 1 I think even Ben Stiller in his tweet was like, yeah, to Tyrese Halliburton, we would like to, and Tyrese was in the the middle of it. That's a square card doing that.
At least after that third three.

Speaker 2 Out of that third three, him talking shit to the,

Speaker 2 it was either someone on the floor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, somebody caught a bitch ass. Yeah, somebody last night caught one of those.
And how about it in Cleveland, one of these?

Speaker 1 I think even people in Cleveland would be like, okay, this guy talks his shit. Like, he does.
But then he's like super kind, super nice. Obviously, him and his lady are great members of the community.

Speaker 1 It's like, he's a perfect star for us, which is why I think it was so gut-wrenching last night watching it. And I think why the entire sports world kind of witnessed it.

Speaker 1 Let's go to one half of the hammer. Down.

Speaker 1 Cowboys AP tone, seven and a half, I believe. It was bouncing, seven and a half to seven to six and a half to seven in the entirety.
They end up covering.

Speaker 1 And this Oklahoma City team, we have some stats here.

Speaker 1 They can go down in conversation as the most dominant team in the history of basketball. High scoring margin in a season all time.
This includes a playoff run.

Speaker 1 Obviously, you got the 2016-2017 Warriors, which everybody talked about may be the team that'd be the greatest of all time. 1,184.

Speaker 1 Then the Bulls, 95, 96 Bulls, ever heard of them? Pretty good. 70, 71 bucks.
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 And then the Thunder, obviously, 1,247 plus. Most 10-point wins in a season, including playoffs.
Wow. Thunder, 64, that Warriors team that everybody talks about.
60. Most 15-point wins in a season.

Speaker 1 The Thunder, 48, including players. Those Bucs teams back in the 70s, 71.
So good. Hey, they used to be able to fill it up.

Speaker 1 I've seen some guy, boom, bow, boom, left hook. Like a reacher on ace.

Speaker 1 Oscar Robertson, man.

Speaker 2 Sky.

Speaker 1 Boom. The young Lou.
Oh, my God. Come on.
They were just... And they would say, word of bucks.

Speaker 1 Hey, just keep it moving. After a buck.
That was like their thing. That was the motto? Word of Buck.
Word of Bucks. Yeah.
That's what they would say. You didn't see the duck? No, I didn't.
Hand in.

Speaker 1 Word of Bucks on three. One, two, three.
Word of Bucks.

Speaker 1 They would do it too. People in 1970 were like, whoa,

Speaker 1 they got a thing. They were saying more than that.
Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 Not a lot of matter. Yeah, not a lot of matters.
Excuse me. 30-point wins in a season.

Speaker 1 Lakers, pool, 86, 87 Lakers. Real time, baby.

Speaker 1 I've seen a

Speaker 1 docu series, Machu series

Speaker 1 about it. Yeah.
What a run.

Speaker 1 They had 11 30-point wins in a season before. That was incredible.
Celtics, wow, they were really good.

Speaker 1 Remember how good they were? Yeah, most 50-point wins in a season. Well, I won't have that on here because obviously this is a stat sheet skewed for Oklahoma City to be better than than everybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was just, you know. Yeah, but absence of information is a choice, and some people do it and say we're still telling the truth.
Which is still the truth. It's still the truth.

Speaker 1 Thunder, 12 of them. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Truly dominant. That is domination.
Throughout the regular season, only 14 losses. Obviously, the plus scoring margin would tell you they're not losing a lot of games on your plus 1,247 in a...

Speaker 1 sport that involves keeping score. Go ahead, Tony.
No, and they were very, very good to the gamblers all season long.

Speaker 1 They were favored in 78 out of 82 games in the regular season plus every single uh playoff game and they covered at 65 66 35 and 4 was their record so when you have all those big wins you are going to cover some really really big spreads 65 is is an all-time like hey the gamblers are going to love you but also you know we talked about the pacers too and you know tyrese being voted uh most overrated or whatever i believe that was kind of like the whole team's motto because they were the they've had 10 underdog wins this uh playoff series which or playoff which was tied for the most all time with the miami heat which were an eight seed um so they were the whole team was disrespected all season long and the pacers were also really good for gamblers because they started off so slow for the season and they went on that run after january so both these teams in the gamblers eyes very very we got winners yeah yeah because i i don't think anybody really knew the pacers post all-star break because i think there was and i put this in my post that i uh tweeted last night um like nobody expected shit from this team going into the season.

Speaker 1 Nobody, nothing. There was really no expectations outside of Indianapolis for this team.
They just made the Eastern Conference finals. Oh, it was all fluke.
Everybody they played was hurt.

Speaker 1 That's literally what people are thinking. Then they suck at the beginning of the season.
Not good. Not good at all.
All-star break comes. They figure something out during a break.

Speaker 1 They come back hot as team in basketball. And then people are like, yeah, that's not real.
Who cares how you are in March or February or whatever it is? We don't care this entire thing.

Speaker 1 And then they just continue to play exactly how they played in the playoff series last year. And it was like,

Speaker 1 I think if you were a believer in them, I would assume the sports books doubted them for a lot of it, so you could win off. That's all the spreads, all playoffs.

Speaker 1 And then Oklahoma City covering just dominated because I assume at one point the books were like, should we make this? No. And they don't have to because the amount of people are betting.

Speaker 1 It's like, what a run for the Gomblers. What a run for these two small markets.
And what a run for a team that had a man that is now one of the biggest voices in all of basketball.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, he's an NBA champion for the Boston Celtics,

Speaker 1 an ESPN NBA pundit, and an Oklahoma City legend. Standing ovation for this man.
I don't remember which playoff series, but it did happen this year. Ladies and gentlemen, Kendrick Perker.

Speaker 1 What up, Big Perk? What up?

Speaker 4 No, what up, fellas?

Speaker 1 It's been a minute. Yeah, it has been a minute.
It's great to see you. We've seen a lot of you, okay? We've been watching a lot of you, obviously, with these NBA playoffs.
You look good.

Speaker 1 You look good, by the way. I appreciate the fact that when you walked into Oklahoma City, they showed you on the Jumbotron.
Place went crazy for you. That had to feel so incredible for you.

Speaker 1 Legitimately had to feel very cool. Now, let's talk about that relationship with Oklahoma City.
What does the title mean to this city, to this fan base, to this state?

Speaker 1 It feels like they're very similar to us, where they were all in. And it was fun to watch that fan base go crazy.
But, like, for real, what does this mean for the city in your eyes?

Speaker 4 Oh, it means everything. But let me say this: major, major props to the Indiana Pacers, Rick Carlisle, Tyrese Halliburton, that organization, and that fan base.
Game six, my God.

Speaker 4 That was crazy. That was crazy.
And

Speaker 4 I got to give a lot of love. It's no loser

Speaker 4 in this run. Like, the Indiana Pacers are not losers.
They had still one of the best runs in NBA history.

Speaker 4 Although they didn't complete the mission, for them to be the underdogs in every series of this

Speaker 4 playoff run and what they did, knocking off top dogs and doing it in great fashion by committee and doing it the right way.

Speaker 4 Not being in the luxury tax, not cheating the system, not trying to go out there and go big fish hunting or big game hunting. No, doing it the right way and creating players.

Speaker 4 Rick Carlisle maxed out guys. That's what great coaches do.
No one thought Aaron Neesmick would be the player that he is. I had to give him much love, right? Nimhart shined on the big stage.

Speaker 4 So much credit to the Pacers. You know, they had me more nervous than a criminal in church.

Speaker 1 I ain't gonna lie. Okay.
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, God bless you.

Speaker 4 So, but let me say this about the Oklahoma City Thunder, man.

Speaker 4 You know, I spent four and a half years here.

Speaker 4 Great fans, great people, first-class organization. They stayed down, Pat.
They stayed down. Meaning,

Speaker 4 when Kevin Durant left and went to Golden State, right, and then all of a sudden Russell Westbrook took over the team and Sam tried to put pieces around Russ to help him try to go and compete for a title, whether that was Victor Olaf Depot, you know, drafting some bonus or, you know, trading for Paul George.

Speaker 4 And all of a sudden Paul George left.

Speaker 4 He wanted to go to the Clippers, so Sam was forced to trade Russell Westbrook and rebuild. No excuses.
They didn't feel sorry for themselves, right?

Speaker 4 You look at Coach Dagnall, G-League coach, you know, bred in the system, went through the trying times, you know,

Speaker 4 accepted, you know, you know, went through the failures and just grinded, chipped away, drafted well, right? End up getting SGA in the trade back, getting Chet Homegrad.

Speaker 4 Sam Presty should get a lifetime extension solely. off of drafting Jalen Williams at number 12 lottery pick.

Speaker 4 We got to remember, Jalen Williams was a guy that went, that like had to go to the draft combine and scrimmage just to prove that he was a first-round pick. Sam Presti picked him in the lottery.

Speaker 4 This championship means everything for this organization and this fan base. When you talk about being loyal, you talk about staying down.

Speaker 4 This is the true definition of a loyal fan base, and they deserve every bit of this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was fun to watch them show up in the fan bases' eyes. And now let's talk about Sam and Coach Daggs.

Speaker 1 They have everybody on a contract, I believe, next year as well.

Speaker 1 And they were under the luxury tax as well.

Speaker 1 So whenever you talk about people building it the right way and having to build from the ground up and develop your own superstars, which obviously they've been able to do, I think it's locked in for a bit.

Speaker 1 And Caruso obviously plays a vital role. What a trade.
What a guy. What a bring-in from Chicago, I believe, at the time.
And then he goes to Oklahoma City and he becomes OG.

Speaker 1 They're calling him Unk down there with his bald ass. I mean, it is

Speaker 1 a beautiful culture that they have, and they seemingly have everybody coming back.

Speaker 1 Whenever you're this young of a team and you win this early, obviously the dynasty conversations are getting mentioned now. The dynasty, dynasty, dynasty.
How does that become a thing?

Speaker 1 What happens in the NBA to teams after they have some success? Or is there normally a little bit of a run for teams that are able to stick together?

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 it's going to be hard. Let me explain why, right? You have your core.
You know that you have SGA, who just solidified himself as a bona fide superstar by completing the mission last night.

Speaker 4 You have J-Dubb and Chet Homegrid. You start with those three.
Now, what ended up happening, like, you know, with a young team like this, right, they win and have success early.

Speaker 4 And now, rightfully so, a lot of those guys like Aaron Wiggins, like Jalen Williams that come in off the bench,

Speaker 4 like,

Speaker 4 you know, Kaysen Wallace, those guys are going to want a bigger role. So I wouldn't be surprised if Sam Presty started making moves, you know, here in the near future.

Speaker 4 And it's not because he don't want those guys, it's because he wants to do right by those guys, right? Like

Speaker 4 he wants those guys to go out and be able to earn their money, right? And be able to have a starting role on other teams. He don't want to do it, but it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 4 Because remember, this is a job and guys do need to get paid. You want to get to the bag.
And so he has a million draft picks. So we expect him to draft well.
But those, I would look,

Speaker 4 I would think Sam would make moves. And not because

Speaker 4 he don't want those players back.

Speaker 4 It's because he wants to do right by those players and send them to the right situation where they can have a bigger role to make sure they sit up and secure their bag for the future.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for us in the NFL, anytime somebody got cut by the Patriots, they never cleared waivers because everybody was like, if they're good enough for the Patriots, they're good enough for us.

Speaker 1 We will certainly think that's the case. We assume that begins for the Oklahoma City Thunder, which is what it sounds like you are describing.
Even the guys on the bench are going to be

Speaker 1 have a big market because people want championship caliber in their program. Speaking of championship caliber, this guy will never be questioned on whether or not he can win the big one.

Speaker 1 D.Butch has a question for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, SGA just getting over the hump, jumping on a very, very short list, getting a scored title, MVP, and winning a trophy so does this put him in rare air does this make him the face of the NBA now going forward and the best player in the NBA I know that's been Joker that's been Greek freak I know and Edwards wanted to make him the face what's your thoughts now with SGA been in that position

Speaker 4 he is the best player in the league he is the best player in the league and history tells us when we look down you know the past five years, right, we look at when Giannis won it.

Speaker 4 You know, we were waiting on that moment for him to win the NBA Championship and Finals MVP. We anointed him as the best player in the league.

Speaker 4 When Jokic won it and completed the mission, we anointed him as the best player in the league.

Speaker 4 Coming into this series, I already said that SGA was the best perimeter player in basketball, but for the run that he had just this season, the scoring title, the MVP, sitting at different tables, he joined Michael Jeffrey Jordan this past season

Speaker 4 for his having three consecutive seasons of averaging 30 while shooting over 50 percent from the field. He's 6'6.

Speaker 4 He don't rely on his athleticism. He brought the mid-range back to the NBA and proved that you could win championships by not just shooting up a bunch of three-point shots.

Speaker 4 So when you talk about the face of the league or you talk about the best player in the league, I mean, what else do he has to do? He has taken over the throne in my opinion he never missed

Speaker 1 perk it was like whenever we were playing the knicks and i was at the games when jalen brunson would have a space any space he's making it it just felt like percentage i don't know where his missed percentages are coming from because every time i see this guy shoot the ball it's going in that's just what it felt like for sga it's that like

Speaker 1 Every single time he had a ball in his hands. It was like, this guy's going to get a bucket.

Speaker 1 It was outrageous. Live in person.
It's like, SGA hasn't been that big of a factor. Then you look up 18 points already.
And it's in the second order.

Speaker 1 It's like this guy's effortlessly doing all these things. Now, people get mad about his push-off.

Speaker 1 I think that is something that NBA fans are certainly getting loud about. And on the defensive side, maybe they're doing some hacking themselves.

Speaker 1 You know, there's always going to be that angle, especially in basketball. But the judgment of SGA, do you think it's warranted or not?

Speaker 1 Do you think he's just pure bucket getter, could get it in any era if he had to?

Speaker 4 Well, I think he's just a pure bucket getter. The fact that, look,

Speaker 4 you have guys that retire pat

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 4 centers that don't shoot over 50% from the field for their career and that right around the damn basket he's doing this on tough contested tools and driving to the paint finishing in traffic over over towers here's what I will say when it comes down to

Speaker 4 I mean damn look at that look at that I mean look at that but but here's here's what I will say

Speaker 4 I've been wanting to to tell y'all real quick to shift to move to shift over a little bit what the hell what are they doing are they doing down there in canada

Speaker 4 what are they doing that no no no it's a great thing because they are they are breeding

Speaker 1 can i can i drop a l-bomb real quick yeah

Speaker 4 they are breeding

Speaker 4 dogs down there damn right

Speaker 1 you look at

Speaker 4 you look at look at this series sga Nimhart,

Speaker 4 Matherin, and then Luke Doris.

Speaker 4 All four of those guys, one thing we didn't question was how hard they was going to compete night in and night out.

Speaker 4 I'm thinking about moving my damn family to Canada because I want my boys to have some of that damn intensity in their bloodstream.

Speaker 1 You're talking about Kid Connett Perkins up there. Kid Conada Perkins.
You're right.

Speaker 1 I'm going to name drop here. And

Speaker 1 this is a weird name for me to name drop. I will say at this moment.

Speaker 1 Wayne Gretzky texted me. Wayne.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Okay, before game seven.

Speaker 1 Great one. And

Speaker 1 I want to make sure I get this. Yeah, Wayne Gretzky texted me.
It was wild. Talk about a yard goal.
Just would like it to be. Yeah.
Yeah, Ice goat. Yard goat.
Wayne's goat.

Speaker 1 I know you're a huge Pacer fan, so I'm hoping you all the best of luck in the championship game game seven.

Speaker 1 I'm not that knowledgeable in basketball, but it's been an incredible series, and I know there's two Canadians on Indy, and I know there's two Canadians on OKC.

Speaker 1 Wish you the best of luck tomorrow night. So then I replied,

Speaker 1 Great one. Thank you for texting me.

Speaker 1 Hey, let's stop making so uncomfortable. And then I go,

Speaker 1 it's been also great for our city. It has brought us together.
We've needed for a few years. It's been wonderful to experience.
Pascal Siakam

Speaker 1 also traded from Toronto.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So if you want to count that as a Canadian contribution, we have three Canadians on Indiana. They have two.
You're a Pacers fan.

Speaker 1 Plus, he started his hockey career in Indianapolis, Indiana, his professional career. So I was hoping the great one would be pulling for the Pacers.
He no responded that. Sure.

Speaker 1 So I think he was just happy Canadians were doing their thing. You're not the only one noticing that, Big Perk.
Let's talk about a guy out of Pittsburgh. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt.
Yeah, Big Perk.

Speaker 3 Obviously, this might be a little bit of recency bias, but when you look at everything TJ McConnell did in the playoffs, I mean, last night, if it's not for him in that third quarter, the Pacers probably get beat by 30.

Speaker 3 I think he was the only person to score for like a 12-minute stretch, just bucket after bucket after bucket.

Speaker 3 But when you look at everything he did in this series, do you think that was maybe the most impressive performance by someone coming off the bench in like the history of basketball?

Speaker 4 Are you damn sure it was close at 6-1?

Speaker 4 The way that he's able to get to his spots, finish over bigger guys, finish in traffic, taking the contact, a damn dog, a damn dog.

Speaker 4 I had to go find him yesterday and tip my hat off to him. I gave him a hug.

Speaker 4 And then after I gave him a hug, I went to the back and I Googled and I had to look at his contract because I needed to see what the hell this man was getting paid. Him and Peyton Pritchard.

Speaker 4 are probably the stay up there for his best contracts in the NBA. I think TJ McConnell is getting paid $11 million a year.
He should be getting paid $20 million a year. Amen.

Speaker 1 But it's not. But amen.

Speaker 4 To all the young hoopers out there in the world that's worried about if they're going to grow, if you need to be 6'7, 6'8, 7-foot to be able to make it to the league, look at TJ McConnell. 6'1.

Speaker 4 Hard worker, and look where he's at right now.

Speaker 4 If he was on the market, he would be probably one of the biggest free agents available.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're not going to let him go. We paid him last offseason.

Speaker 1 We lost him down. The $11 million a year, I agree.
As soon as we saw him start playing with this team, gel with this team, he's like perfect for the team.

Speaker 1 He's a shit talker, too, man, which we appreciate. I love everything about it.
TJ McConnell winning the MVP last night was the thought.

Speaker 1 In that third quarter. Legitimate.
In that third quarter.

Speaker 1 Plus 11,000? It was like, wait, yeah, it was, yeah, I think it was plus 11,000. It was like, is TJ McConnell

Speaker 1 about to score 30

Speaker 1 in a design? We thought we were coming back into that, Berk. I know you didn't think that ever, but there was a time that we were down 14.
I'm like,

Speaker 1 and then I knew. He kept them afloat.
Yeah, we needed him. He kept them afloat.

Speaker 1 He just keeps going, man.

Speaker 4 He just keeps going.

Speaker 4 And I hate that for Tyrese Halliburton, too, man. Like, I was in that position.
I was in that position 2010, you know, where I toured my ACL in game six.

Speaker 4 And what's going through your mind as a player is that you don't know if you're ever going to get back to the promised land again and be back in that moment. And I get it.

Speaker 4 He wanted to be on the floor. Now, I will say this.

Speaker 4 When Sean's first reported that he had a calf strain, I was the one that said, and not because, you know,

Speaker 4 I was being a homer towards OKC and wanted them to win. I wanted to see high-level basketball.
I wanted to see Tyrese Alliburton on the floor. But

Speaker 4 I was the one that came on national television and said, I wouldn't play right. I wouldn't play on it.
Because I said the same thing in 2019 when Kevin Durant was dealing with the same thing.

Speaker 4 And it's on record. That, you know, if I'm Kevin Durant, I wouldn't play on it.

Speaker 4 And they both, you know, sad, sad, you know, unfortunately, both of them toured, you know, doing dealing, Keny toys Achilles.

Speaker 1 And now you're looking at this situation with tyrese halliburton and it's hard because you want to be out there but at the end of the day you also got to think about the long haul and think about your future as well just a just a hard situation yeah it sucks the word achilles is uh just like an immediate for everybody for all parties in sports devastated for tyrese uh if it is torn we're all assuming it's torn uh we do not know 100 if it is we have not been told any information that the world has not been told

Speaker 1 so we assume we're all we've all seen it though i mean uh you know, we're all thinking the same thing. We're not doctors.
Dr. Perk would be cool to experience as a whole.

Speaker 1 Jay Will put out a tweet about how many torn ACLs, or I'm sorry, torn Achilles there has been in sport. Yeah, here's the ACL Achilles.

Speaker 1 I don't think, I guess this isn't from Jay Will, but there's a tweet that has a listed out of all these injuries that have like taken place this season alone.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I don't know what's normal. You know, like, it's like when the NFL has injuries, it's like, is it happening to more notable players?

Speaker 1 And that's why we're knowing about it, as opposed to players that aren't like in the superstar position? Sure. Or is it actually changing because the game is moving at a rapider speed?

Speaker 1 Because everything, there's more high contact. Like, there's so many questions right now as every sport's getting faster and faster.

Speaker 1 What can the body take? Or is this normal? It's,

Speaker 1 last night didn't feel normal. Here's Jay Will's post.
Eight torn Achilles this season. Tyrese Halliburton is the latest.

Speaker 1 The NBA is playing at its fastest pace since the early 70s, 108.9 possessions per game. We're chasing tempo highlights and algorithms, but at what cost?

Speaker 1 The product is faster, but the bodies are breaking and no one's pumping the brakes.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a great, I mean, it's hard not to think that way, especially whenever we see Tatum go down and Megastar.

Speaker 1 I don't know who that was, but tell them. And then we see Tyrese Halliburton.
It's two superstars. Megastars in the biggest moments.
Yeah, Lillard. Yeah, and Dame.

Speaker 1 I forgot about Dame Tom. I'm so sorry.
These are superstars in massive moments. where it's happening.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and Tyrese and Tatum both, I mean, they started their seasons, you could argue, with the Olympics.

Speaker 2 So, like, with how far back they've been playing over these last 12 months, like, even that is a little bit of a factor, you could assume.

Speaker 1 All right, let's talk about the Pacers in the offseason. As Kendrick Perkins continues conversations with people walking into his room randomly, go ahead, Tony.
My bad, that was housekeeping.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got home.

Speaker 1 No, we're good. No, no, Bill.
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Leave Towes, Leave Towes, and some new water. New waters.
Need new waters. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Go ahead, Joan.
Yeah, Perk.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, that happens to Tyrese last night, and we're assuming it is the Achilles tear. That'll be, you know, he's out all of next season.

Speaker 1 So, like, if you're the Pacers' front office, like, do you, what do you do this offseason, or what do you do next season?

Speaker 1 Like, do you just try to run it back with Nemhard and TJ at the point and just see how next season goes and just kind of wait till Tyrese gets back?

Speaker 1 Like, how do you think the Pacers should approach this offseason now in free agency?

Speaker 4 Well, one, let me say this. Guys, guys got a taste of what it feels like to make a run and be in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 4 So, I expect a guy like, you know, Aaron Neesmid, Matherin, to go back and get back into the lab and get better, right? And that's how these pacers got to this point, through hard work.

Speaker 4 And so they're not a team that's, their first priority is making sure that they sign Miles Turner back, right? You want to bring him back.

Speaker 4 I know he didn't have the best finals, but what he did up into the finals, being one of the best shot blockers, you know, in this postseason, obviously his three-point shot wasn't falling, but no one could say that he wasn't a huge piece or one of the biggest keys for them making it to this to this spot.

Speaker 4 So you want to make sure you re-sign him. But I will say this.
If you're the Pacers, you do want to get better, right?

Speaker 4 Every single season, you do want to get better and re-evaluate your squad and see areas that you could clean up, whether that's adding someone to the bench or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 4 I think they wait and watch and see what happens in the draft because it's going to be a lot lot of movement in the draft. I'm hearing a whole lot of things.

Speaker 4 Obviously, you know, Shams is way better than that than I am. You know, I wait for him to report.
But from what I'm hearing is, you know, they have a lot of teams that could be possibly

Speaker 4 moving on from quote-unquote some of these franchise guys that are already there. I heard yesterday was just the start, right? We said we didn't already seen Desmond Bain get traded.

Speaker 4 Yesterday, we saw Kevin Durant Durant get moved. I'm hearing guys like Lamello Ball.
I'm hearing their relationship with the Hornets is not where it's at.

Speaker 4 I'm hearing the Hornets, you know, are really taking a deep dive and

Speaker 4 trying to see if they want to move in the direction of him being their franchise guy. It's going to be a lot of things that's going to be shaking up around the NBA.

Speaker 1 Sean said it's going to be the most craziest offseason ever. Exact words, I believe.
Most craziest offseason ever. And you mentioned what happened yesterday.

Speaker 1 We had been covering that every day for like two weeks because there was a new wrinkle that was seemingly breaking.

Speaker 1 Because whenever somebody like Kevin Durant is being talked about, the whole world wants to know. Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Perk. KD trade.
He's going to Houston. Dylan Brooks, Jalen Green, the 10th overall pick, and five seconds are going back to the Suns.
It feels like almost an even trade.

Speaker 2 KD was actually on the stage at Fnatic's Goofball Fest while he got traded.

Speaker 1 Sportsball Fest.

Speaker 2 Sportsball Fest. It felt as though KD kind of knew that that was coming.
What did you think about the trade? It feels like KD reuniting with M.A. Udoka in Houston is great.

Speaker 2 And also the Suns getting a first-round pick with two starters feels great. Do you feel like it was an even type trade?

Speaker 2 And are the Houston Rockets now, you know, one of those top four, top five teams to be competing for the title next year?

Speaker 4 Hell yeah. The Rockets are a title contender with Kevin Durant.
And the Rockets won that trade.

Speaker 4 Listen, if you're Phoenix, how do you, like, there's nowhere in hell that trade happens and you don't at least get a Jabari Smith or a Cam Whitmore, right?

Speaker 4 That's the first thing. So the Rockets won, because the Rockets really, to be honest, and I say this with all respect to Jalen Green and Dylan Brooks,

Speaker 4 what those two guys done for the Rockets last year, helping them make a playoff run, pushing Golden State to seven games,

Speaker 4 being second in the Western Conference,

Speaker 4 they were a huge part of it. But let me say this.

Speaker 4 The Rockets didn't give up much. They kept everything that they need to go out there and compete.

Speaker 4 When you think about their centerpieces, A. Man Thompson, Shangoon, who I call baby Jokic,

Speaker 4 Tari Eason,

Speaker 4 who is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, him and Aidman Thompson. And then you sign Big Steven Adams, okay? Big Steve, I love Big Steve from New Zealand.

Speaker 4 Y'all know Big Steve go hog hunting in New Zealand with no shoes on and a big knife. Rambo.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 With dogs? Does he have dogs or no dogs? Rambo knife?

Speaker 4 I see he got one of those dogs, those,

Speaker 4 what is it called? Some type of shepherd, one of those.

Speaker 1 Like a bay dog, like a bay, like he goes in a bay, I think.

Speaker 4 But it probably could climb trees and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 I don't know. But here's the thing, right?

Speaker 4 And then you have a coach that you just signed an extension, and Emei Udoku, who I believe is one of the best coaches in the NBA.

Speaker 4 You figure out a way to, they're going to figure out a way to get this Fran Van Vleet deal situated, whatever they're doing with, you know, whatever they're doing with him, they're going to bring him back.

Speaker 4 I would say, with all due respect to Oklahoma City, I mean, the Rockets could be the team going into next season.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 4 the frontrunners for, I mean, you know, the favors for us winning it all, or at least winning the Western Conference. Don't come giving me this about Katie is old.
I don't want to hear that.

Speaker 4 Kevin Durant is still giving you 27 points a night on 50% shooting, 40% from the three, and 90 from the free throw line. I don't give a damn what nobody got to say.

Speaker 4 He's the greatest scorer to ever play the game. He he is the greatest scorer in my eyes to ever play the game.

Speaker 1 Okay, I don't want to get into the debate. I've not done enough research and don't feel like I'm the one to battle you.
Who do people say?

Speaker 1 Who do people say? Stephanie? Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 LeBron has the record. He does.
And LeBron points king. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Put the crown on.

Speaker 2 Kareem.

Speaker 1 Koozy did. Koozie.
Larry Bird, the way he used to fucking take that thing from Don Time. Yep, T-Mac.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 T-Mac, yep, Kobe Crown.

Speaker 1 Kobe.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Listen,

Speaker 4 it's all in your preference. Some people like to drink Hennessy.
Some people like to drink Sirox. Some people like to drink Tequila.
At the end of the day, they all get you drunk.

Speaker 4 So it's not a debate.

Speaker 1 It's just your preference.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're all headed to the same destination, what you're saying.

Speaker 1 I understand. Last question here from D-Butch.
We appreciate your time here, Perk. We just talked about KD.
Obviously, he's already moved Giannis, Greek freak, out in Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 What do you think the next best move for him is to stay with Doc and run it back in Milwaukee?

Speaker 1 Or do you see him moving on, maybe possibly joining forces in Houston with KD or going elsewhere, maybe Miami with Spo? What do you think best move for Giannis going forward?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 4 I think any team that gets Giannis instantly becomes a title contender. To me, right now, he's already a top five power forward to ever play the game of basketball.

Speaker 4 I believe he's won championship, one finals MVP from being the second greatest power forward of all time behind Tim Duncan. If I'm Giannis, if I'm Giannis, I'm definitely looking at Miami.

Speaker 4 I'm definitely looking at the Detroit Pistons. I would love to see Giannis and Kay Cuttingham playing alongside one another.
Also, if you're Giannis,

Speaker 4 why are you not looking at Toronto? Right? Why are you not looking at Toronto? You have Messiah U. Jury there.
They have a very special relationship.

Speaker 4 I mean, those are the three destinations, if I'm Giannis, maybe even the Spurs. But I heard Giannis don't want to go out west.
I heard he wants to stay in the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 4 But I don't know why Giannis would want to stay in Milwaukee. Not, how long? And let me say this.
Jeez. Not.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 4 not because Milwaukee is a bad city, but he's not going to win another championship there right now. Dame is going to be out probably majority of the season.
We see the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 4 It's going to be a lot of movement this offseason. Teams are going to get better.

Speaker 4 And if Giannis wants out of Milwaukee, no one should say a damn thing. This guy has done every single thing in the book to do right by this organization and take this organization to new hypes.

Speaker 4 Especially from an economic standpoint. Think about what Giannis has bought.
He's an economy mover, right? A game changer. You think think about it, they got a new arena.

Speaker 4 You look at Milwaukee, they got new restaurants. So if Giannis wanted to leave,

Speaker 4 the only thing Milwaukee fan base should be saying is thank you, Giannis. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 And he will get a parade wherever he heads to.

Speaker 1 That's always the other side of the entire thing. It's just like Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Even a week ago, maybe people were like, no, we don't want Kevin Durant on our team. Then they get Kevin Durant on your team.
You're like, we got great score in history. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4 Bumby got the Trillburgers ready.

Speaker 1 Paul Wall slimped up.

Speaker 4 Don Kiki, they got the slabs out with the candy-coated paint, the super poker rims. Hey, listen, they ready for Kevin Durant.
My phone was blowing up.

Speaker 1 They fired up. Hey, Houston chopped and screwed, right? That's where it all kind of started, Houston.

Speaker 1 You do it. DJ, screw, okay.
All right, all right. You're ladies and gentlemen, NBA champion.
Hell of a year by you, Perk.

Speaker 4 Appreciate y'all, man. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Kendrick Perkins. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Houston had a run. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I would assume people used to say, well, you mean had one? He's still doing it.

Speaker 1 We are still in the middle of it. Travis Scott.
Hey,

Speaker 1 there's a man who has an aura around him whenever he shows up.

Speaker 1 He shows up at WWE every once in a while. And it's just like, as soon as he walks in, it's like,

Speaker 1 holy shit, Travis Scott is there. And everybody kind of reacts the same way.
He's huge. Huge.
Huge. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 I don't, I mean, I'm not the biggest Travis Scott fan, but you look look at his shows and like crowds and like, like when he was on his round, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I feel like lately, maybe not as much doing, you know, shows. And I don't know if he's dropped the album lately, but yeah, his

Speaker 1 aura, his following is crazy. On commentary, whenever they give you something to say about the person, it's like the stats about him, 17 trillion.
I was like, whoa, the number was just like so bad.

Speaker 1 Like, congrats, Travis Scott. Love that you're here, brother.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Astral World must have made at least half a billion because it felt like when that was going on and that was the only and biggest concert that was there.

Speaker 1 There was a dock on there, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's a dock on it because the people that passed away because so many people were trying to get to it.

Speaker 1 Tells a different story there, doesn't it? I think there's like an actual behind-the-scenes story there.

Speaker 1 All those docks that come out are very fascinating.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 Bin Laden one was crazy.

Speaker 2 Bin Laden one was insane. I actually watched most of the Karen Reed one.

Speaker 1 That one. I've not seen that one.
That's Massachusetts, right? Massachusetts, yeah. Very.
Heard she's not guilty.

Speaker 2 She is not guilty.

Speaker 1 That started like a year and a half, two years ago. Yeah, a little while.
She was tried twice, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, the first one was a mistrial.

Speaker 1 What a while.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 2 And it's not over. Like for Karen Reed, it's over, but they're investigations though.

Speaker 1 Let's figure out what the hell happened.

Speaker 2 Now, this is like damn near a murder investigation for the entire documentaries.

Speaker 1 Ocean Gate. Yeah.
That was a good one. What's that? The Ocean Gate one.
Oh, I haven't seen that one. Yes, Golden.
Just came back. You watched that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, pretty good.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, that was going to happen no matter what, is what the doc said. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that I mean, we were.

Speaker 3 Went to the deepest part of the ocean in a cardboard box, pretty much.

Speaker 1 We didn't watch the docs, so we don't know if it is a cardboard box. Oh, it is.
The way we were talking about it, because we were live when this was happening. Yes.

Speaker 1 PlayStation controller.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yes.
And that makes sense.

Speaker 1 Let's not harp on that being. I'm not going to the bottom of the ocean with a PlayStation controller.
My shit has died in the middle of a 2K jump shot.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to the bottom of the ocean with a Procella.

Speaker 1 Come on. It was wired.
I trust Sony, but

Speaker 1 it was a wired controller. The head guy was ignoring all safety protocols.
He was just so obsessed with getting to the Titanic.

Speaker 1 So, didn't Jimmy Cameron go to Diner? He did.

Speaker 1 So, did he go through the Titanic or have people?

Speaker 3 I know he went to the Mariana Trench, I think, during the Titanic thing. But that's the thing.
Jim Cameron, you know, is taking a military submarine ship.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 3 He understands that you can't just build something in your backyard.

Speaker 1 Well, this is like

Speaker 1 Rocket Money. Yeah, Madden.
Yeah, so he was trying to commercialize it. That was the whole thing.
He wanted like really rich people to be able to do this on a consistent basis. So it didn't work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it did not work out. We're in the middle of a prime documentary season.
Yes, we are. Truly.

Speaker 1 Let's learn something about something.

Speaker 1 There's some good stuff coming out. And then let's find out something complete opposite just a little bit later.
That's the world we're in right now. It's tough.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're so good, it can make you believe anything. Anything.
And then all of a sudden, like four months later, I'll read a thing.

Speaker 1 It's like, like that can't be real because above but you're like well it turns out actually two things can be true at the same time

Speaker 1 what would i watch that doc for i've been getting into some of those shitty shows oh okay like what uh reality ones love island destination x i believe is the name of one that looks like it's fun everybody's living in a bus Europe roads are very small.

Speaker 1 I don't know how the day-to-day is for that particular show. Good show.
Like that show. Saw a lot of commercials for Love Island.
I think somebody's doing something on here.

Speaker 1 I tried it. It's popping.

Speaker 2 I watched the first episode.

Speaker 1 Well, what about about this one? You see, this one lady was in love. She found her soulmate.
He leaves less than 24 hours. She was with somebody else.
He's in bed with another. Oh, I saw that clip.

Speaker 2 Love Island, the newest season. I believe it's season seven.
I watched the first episode. By far the worst thing these eyes have ever seen.
I've seen some of the things that I've seen.

Speaker 1 I've yet to commit to a full episode. I can't do it.
I just throw that clip every once in a while.

Speaker 2 I turned video game on after the.

Speaker 1 All right, well,

Speaker 1 we got connection. That's called filling time.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, this guy who was on the the call for the College World Series in every baseball moment that we have cared about since we have existed.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, ESPN legend, Carl Ravi. Yeah, Ravi.

Speaker 1 How you doing, Ravi?

Speaker 6 I'm doing great. How are you guys doing?

Speaker 1 Good. Thank you so much for joining us.
And what a weekend, what a time out there in Omaha. This LSU team, unbelievable.
But have to talk about the controversy first.

Speaker 1 Umpire tosses the coach out. First inning.
This guy hasn't lost like 27 straight games. First year coach down in Coast Carolina.

Speaker 1 It's the first inning of an elimination game in the College World Series. Best two out of three.
LSU wins the first game Saturday night. That pitcher's a dog.
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 But then they pitch the coach or they kick out the coach in the first inning. How is this even possible, Ravi?

Speaker 1 There's no way that anybody agrees with this sentiment, or is this how college baseball is normally umped?

Speaker 7 No, it's definitely not normal.

Speaker 6 It's never normal to throw an umpire out in the first inning. The guy right there just tripped, he actually tripped a little bit, Don Zimmerish.

Speaker 7 Remember when Zimmer got thrown to the ground by Pedro?

Speaker 6 There was a little bouncing there.

Speaker 6 In this case, that umpire tripped over the foot of another umpire. That's not why he got thrown out, it's not why he would have gotten a second game suspension.
Look, you just said on your show that

Speaker 6 there is a possibility that both sides are actually, in this case, wrong versus right.

Speaker 6 That was a feisty game from the beginning,

Speaker 6 if you happen to see it, but if not,

Speaker 6 base coach, because you thought the third base coach was stealing signs and signals.

Speaker 1 Dirty baseball.

Speaker 7 And then

Speaker 7 a little dirty baseball, at least he thought it was dirty baseball.

Speaker 6 And then after that, the bottom of the first, the umpire gets into it with the first base coach.

Speaker 6 So we had a third base coach for LSU and a first base coach for Coastal arguing the first base coach was questioning balls and strikes, which you cannot do.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's this is sort of like one of the cardinal rules in baseball. And in case of college, you cannot argue balls and strikes.

Speaker 6 And then Kevin Schnell, the coach for Coaster, comes out and gives you one of these.

Speaker 7 You missed three calls. Like right away, you know, you're done.
And A, you can't come out. And B, you're not going to put up three to say

Speaker 7 he missed three.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 he was done then.

Speaker 1 I wish the home plate ump

Speaker 7 had been a lot more demonstrative in his telling him, dude, stop.

Speaker 7 Do not come out here.

Speaker 1 Because if you took it, now we're dead.

Speaker 8 And that was the end of it.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Rev.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Rev.

Speaker 1 Tough services.

Speaker 1 He's driving through Omaha right now, trying to get out of here.

Speaker 1 We heard a lot of the tough situations. I think what he was trying to say was, if we were to piece that together, both sides in the wrong here.
According to rule. Tensions were high.

Speaker 1 I can't be doing that. And then when he goes three like that,

Speaker 1 he's not just complaining about one pitch, which you can't do. He's not complaining about two pitches, which you definitely can't do.
He's complaining about three pitches at one time.

Speaker 1 So just a little bit of tensions high, a little bit testy. And inevitably, are you okay?

Speaker 1 I needed that.

Speaker 1 That was awesome. That was hilarious.
I appreciate Ravi, you know, just trying to battle through that, but boy. He had to know we couldn't hear shit.

Speaker 1 Couldn't hear anything.

Speaker 2 You know, he's hanging up his phone, too.

Speaker 1 But you He's screaming. You know, there is some FaceTimes as a FaceTimer where the other people can see you fully.
Oh, yeah. And you can't see a single thing.

Speaker 1 Because I've been on a side where I could see the other person here going, oh, I got bad service. And then they're like, walking around, I'm like, yo, I could see you right now.

Speaker 1 And they don't think because they got bad stable connection, unstable connection or whatever. I wonder if he had complete connection and we didn't have any?

Speaker 1 Or was he just powering right through a gray screen? I think he was. And he was just going, fuck it.

Speaker 3 They can hear me. That sounds like something professional, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I appreciate his passion. Yeah, golf was awesome this weekend.
Yes, it was. Oh, yeah.
Now, we have to go back to the 15th hole to really tell the story of golf. The Travelers Championship, an

Speaker 1 elevated tournament, three and a half million goes to the winner. That's a big deal.
Four and a half million U.S. Open.
Okay, that's one of the majors, U.S.

Speaker 1 Open, four and a half million to the winner. Obviously, the prize pool, much larger.

Speaker 1 It is one of those elevated tournaments immediately after a major because you see what they had seen in the past is after a big tournament, tough one, like Oak Monday.

Speaker 1 Just beat your dan. A lot of the big name golfers didn't want to play in the next tournament the next week.
They go, I'm just, I need a week. Can I take a week?

Speaker 1 A breather from what just happened, a lot of traveler, a lot of pressure, of course, beat my ass. We're going to take it off.

Speaker 1 So the PGA with the development of Live was kind of forced to put more money into the pot. So now after a major like U.S.
Open, they have an elevated event, which is a big deal. Travelers, big deal.

Speaker 1 A lot of money on the line. All the big names are golfing.
It came down to three. Henley kind of shot himself in the foot lane.
He had a great tournament, though. Henley, good job.

Speaker 1 The big brother Ross. Had a chip in to kind of keep himself in the story.
But it really came down to Tommy Fleetwood, who has

Speaker 1 been a top 10 finisher 41 times. Yikes.

Speaker 1 Never won. Still living good.

Speaker 1 Certainly. Fairway Jesus.
He is now 42-time top 10 finisher in the PGA, but he was in the lead by a pretty good amount. He was in the lead actually by three strokes going into 15.
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 He was at 16 under Keegan Bradley, American captain for the Ryder Cup. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 You said. You.

Speaker 1 There's USA chance happening.

Speaker 1 He was at 13 under. This is the 15th hole on a Sunday.
That's a three-stroke spread, brother. That's going to be tough to make up.
Well, what happens? Well, they get the hole 16.

Speaker 1 Fleetwood, 16 under.

Speaker 1 Keegan Bradley, 14 under.

Speaker 1 Climb.

Speaker 1 Oh, climb. Slowly climbing.
One at a time. Let's go to the 17th hole.
Tommy Fleetwood, bogey. He's at 15 under.
Uh-oh. Tommy.
Keegan Bradley, par. He's at 14 under.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, we have a one-stroke.

Speaker 1 Match going into 18.

Speaker 2 Tommy Fleetwood would bogey

Speaker 1 18.

Speaker 1 Keegan Bradley would birdie 18.

Speaker 1 That's a two-stroke swing. America wins on the 18th hole after our captain Keegan Bradley puts it to six feet away from the pin in a must-birdie have.
That would have been for Parr.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, that was Keegan Bradley. Tommy Fleetwood missed the same exact putt and Parr ends up getting a bogey.

Speaker 1 Keegan Bradley does the two-stroke swing on the 18th hole to win the Travelers in 3.5 million to he and his caddy. Congratulations to Keegan Bradley.

Speaker 1 It was electrifying. It was absolutely electrifying.
Awesome. A lot of names in there.
A lot of names potentially dancing. Scotty's going to get there maybe even on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 Instead, Keegan wins for America.

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Speaker 1 Are happening all around us and we're incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about them every single day. The Oklahoma City Thunder won their first ever tuttle last night.
I'm happy for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They look like a team that I'd be a big fan of if they weren't competing against the Indiana Pacers.
They built through the draft. They built their own superstars.

Speaker 1 They traded in an old Italian guy from Chicago. And they went to work and they were dominant from the beginning of the season all the way through last night.
Now the Pacers obviously gave them hell.

Speaker 1 The Pacers were obviously counted out through every single series that they were in because they didn't start out that great this season. That was not the case for Oklahoma City.

Speaker 1 Oklahoma City started out great. All year long, Oklahoma City fans were saying, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, talk about us.

Speaker 1 Cleveland Cavaliers fans on the east were like, hey, hey, hey, talk about us. Oklahoma City, Cleveland Cavaliers, most dominant teams in the NBA.

Speaker 1 One representing the West, one representing the East on a collision course to the two Goliaths.

Speaker 1 Well, the Indiana Pacers knocked out the Cleveland Cavaliers and then did a big ball dance on their court.

Speaker 1 And then the Indiana Pacers became the monsters of the East, and they took on this Oklahoma City team that was having history written all over it all season long.

Speaker 1 The MVP, obviously, they had this young coach who went to UConn at the same time as nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Ball.

Speaker 1 Did you give Daggs all this information? I probably gave him Buckeys in the murals. who were there at the same time.
Yo, Daggs bopped the wood. You had no chance.

Speaker 1 I'm sure I gave him four. I got it.
No chance. Daggs is filing you on the way to the home, hard.
After your first points. Took a couple charges.
I listened to him talk. That guy's a genius.

Speaker 1 Sam, obviously, the guy who put the team together, he's a genius. Ownership has a city that's ready to go to battle for them every single night.

Speaker 1 That Oklahoma City team is an absolute wagon, and it was fun to watch them do their thing.

Speaker 1 But the Indiana Pacers lose their superstar in the first quarter, and it kind of pulled a little bit of doom and gloom over the whole thing.

Speaker 1 We're bummed out here in Indiana obviously because we lost but also because Tyrese Halliburton, you know, his future from all accounts that we assume.

Speaker 1 Sean Sharani will be joining us here in a few moments. Taurus Achilles last night in the first quarter.
What he had been dealing with before we do not know calf tightness or calf strain.

Speaker 1 There was an ankle conversation and then last night we watched that thing reverb. We assume we're not 100% sure.
We're not doctors, but it's like that's a bummer. That's our guy.

Speaker 1 What will the Patriots be next year? We shall see. Will Oklahoma City start a dynasty? We shall see.
But at least they won one title, and that's the one that

Speaker 1 we're currently chatting about for the next 364 days.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to them. Let's go to the talk stable.
I had Boss of Connor Hattai Schmidt. You need to take that Larry O off the desk, brother.
Celtics are no longer the chomps.

Speaker 1 It is the Oklahoma City Thunder team that is the champion, not you, pal. You should probably remove that, though.
No, no, you're not. And the Florida Panthers are the NHL champion.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they should have the hockey bucket on top of Larry O either there, Powell. That's true.

Speaker 2 We can take the hockey bucket off, of course.

Speaker 2 And granted, I don't want to rub salt in the wound, but you might not know this because the Pacers have never done it, but you actually get to keep the trophies you win.

Speaker 1 So this one's not moving from this guy.

Speaker 2 So actually looking to add another one here, hopefully soon in the next few years.

Speaker 2 Tatum and Tyrese probably going to be together all summer.

Speaker 1 So that will be... Good for each other.
Iron sharpens iron

Speaker 1 getting the Achilles better. It's an isolating experience whenever you're rehabbing an injury.
It's not fun. Mentally, it's tough.
Physically, it's very demanding and difficult.

Speaker 1 It's going to require a lot of time, especially with Achilles. A lot of time.
A lot, a lot of time. Vibes have to be good because energy can go down quick.

Speaker 1 So, what's Tyrese is signing up for, we assume, is going to be a long days. Tatum's going through the same timeline, we shall see, a little bit ahead of schedule.

Speaker 1 So, hopefully, they'll be able to battle it together and get back on the course sooner than later. They're talking about a whole season now.
Yeah, I mean, man.

Speaker 1 Nine-year NFL vet, there is Jay Butler, one half of the hammer,

Speaker 1 Cowboys AP Tone.

Speaker 1 Joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Roderick Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J.
Hawker.

Speaker 1 Hawker, congrats the Oklahoma City Thunder. Obviously, a dominating performance in the second half last night and throughout the entire season.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, it's tough. Obviously, with Tyrese going down and seeing it, it does kind of put a damper on everything, I guess.

Speaker 8 But yeah, I mean, this Oklahoma City team, it's pretty impressive, especially to get to game seven. They could have crumbled.
They could have kind of, you know, realized how big the moment was.

Speaker 8 They could have let it all slip away. And credit to them, man.
They're going to be good for a long time, though.

Speaker 14 That's the thing.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be the Pacers fan that says tyrese was on his way to 40.

Speaker 1 that was gonna be a 40 15 maybe 9 to 11 game yes for tyrese with how aggressive he was being at the beginning legit as i'm watching it home i'm like oh oh he's he's thinking about yeah he's thinking about it not not just thinking about it he's having one here he's having and then he was going down the court he was pulling up for a logo oh he's gonna have another and then One more time, he's.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think he'll have another as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is what it was feeling like as I was watching. I was like, wait, those are falling.
Talking shit. Deep, too.
Bitch ass to the sideline. So now there's a lot more,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say a lot more eyes on Tyrese, but when Tyrese is being aggressive like that, we talked about it all series.

Speaker 1 Now, all of a sudden, Pascal has a little bit more, a little bit more freedom. Neesmith may be sitting over there in the corner, able to operate.
Namard able to do his thing.

Speaker 1 Miles Turner, maybe he just needs to operate in a paint and on out to three because he hadn't been able to knock down a three. Did make one last night.
That was a big deal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was big.

Speaker 1 Not clapping for it. Yeah, I'm not clapping forward.

Speaker 2 No chance.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what. I thought at any moment his next one was going to fall.
I like that he was just shooting, though. Have to.
I like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 still doing it for sure. It really does suck because it is going to just go down as, like, not for OKC.
Okay, it's a banner. Who cares? But as someone who was polling for the Pacers, it will go down.

Speaker 2 It's one of those, like, what if.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 2 there was a chance he goes on to have like a 40-point legendary game 70.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe 50. Why do we hold it back at 40? He might have had 60 points last night.
Joining us now is a guy who might have a a little bit more information.

Speaker 1 Senior NBA insider at ESPN, friend of the program. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Sharon.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I like what we're doing. I like what we're doing.

Speaker 11 Hotel room. I'm Kendrick Perkins style right now, you know, right, right in the hotel room.
I don't have anyone from housekeeping knocked on my door quite yet, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course, because you fluff your own pillows. We want anybody touching them.

Speaker 1 I like the portrait mode that we're currently on. You look fantastic.
Let's get some updates from last night. Was Tyrese Halliburton going to score 60 points last night?

Speaker 1 And do we know anything about Tyrese Halliburton's injury at this moment?

Speaker 11 Pat, it was actually crazy beating at that game because I thought we were going to be in line for one of the best game sevens potentially ever.

Speaker 11 I mean, the way that the Pacers fought and they off to such a great start. Tyrese Halliburton got off to such a great start, but then he has that fall.

Speaker 11 And sources tell me that he has been diagnosed with a torn right Achilles.

Speaker 11 Of course, any Achilles injury that leads to a long period of absence, usually 10 to 12 months. So Tyrese Halliburton, torn right Achilles tendon.

Speaker 11 And this effort that he had, playing through a calf injury, played through an ankle issue.

Speaker 11 Clearly, there was something going on in that calf-ankle Achilles area throughout the NBA Finals that he's been playing through. He's been managing it.
He's been dealing with it.

Speaker 11 He really wanted to win a championship. He wanted to put his body on the line, and clearly he was willing to sacrifice his body to try to get a championship.

Speaker 11 And he did in the terms of, you know, he's going to be dealing with a very lengthy period of rehab. And I'm told he is evaluating surgery and which surgeon to have the procedure with at this point.

Speaker 11 And that's the next step for Tyrus Halliburton is finding surgery sooner rather than later. We've seen Jason Tatum do it, Kevin Durant do it.

Speaker 11 really within a day or two from the point of injury that could lead to you know quicker return or more healthy return when he is back on the floor, I should say.

Speaker 11 So that's the most recent update on Tyrese Halliburton. And over the course of his career, he's been discounted at every stop.

Speaker 11 He was discounted in the draft, traded away by the Sacramento Kings, lands in Indiana. And the run he's been on as a pacer.

Speaker 11 This is, to me, it's one of the most thrilling runs we've seen from a player, a team

Speaker 11 in a while, maybe in playoff, throughout the entire playoffs. And what do you go? Four or four on clutch shots?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, he's already

Speaker 1 postseason. So he had a, he had a 12, really a tremendous postseason.
Okay, you said a lot there. You did not confirm whether or not he would have had 60 last night.

Speaker 1 There's a chance still out there on that. You confirmed, I believe, what our suspicions were after the video of the reverb.
I mean, we saw it with Aaron Rodgers on the court.

Speaker 1 We've seen it time before. Whenever it comes to sports, the Achilles, such a nightmare for athletes, and I assume others as well.

Speaker 1 for athletes it's a devastating blow feels like the acl they've been able to figure out a little bit better maybe what the recovery of the rehab is. The Achilles still 10 to 12 months.

Speaker 1 I think if we were to ask Aaron, he thought he was going to be able to return a little bit earlier. He probably thinks he didn't feel right until a long time down the road.

Speaker 1 You're saying he's contemplating surgery right now. He would probably

Speaker 11 Tyrus Halliburn will undergo surgery, deciding now what best surgeon there is.

Speaker 11 We've seen Jason Tatum and Kevin Durant go to Dr. O'Malley in New York City for their procedures.
Kevin Durant went about 36, 48 hours after his Achilles tear in 2019 at the finals when he had it.

Speaker 11 I think it was in game five.

Speaker 11 And then obviously, as we know, Jason Tatum injured it against the Knicks and he ended up really like 12 to 16 hours post-injury. He ended up having surgery.
So his was quick. Obviously, it helped.

Speaker 11 He was in New York City. So Tyrus Halliburton is going through the similar process now to figure out exactly who's going to perform this surgery.

Speaker 11 But, I mean, it's gut-wrenching for the Pacers because they had put everything on the season in the next few years.

Speaker 11 They were going to be a tax-paying team, bring back Miles Turner, and they're still planning to bring back Miles Turner. But the goal now for the Pacers, we'll see just how they could shift,

Speaker 11 if at all. Or do you give this team another runway to see how competitive they are in the Eastern Conference?

Speaker 1 Hey, we love you, Tyrese. Good luck, buddy.
Love you, Tyrese. We appreciate you, Tyrese.
Thank you for everything. And to this Pacers team, thank you for the incredible run that it has been.

Speaker 1 Godspeed on recovery, Tyrese. He knows that that is a long process.
He's a professional athlete. He understands what could come with it.

Speaker 1 But if you know, Tyrese, I would recommend sending some messages throughout this process. You know, any good little memes you see.

Speaker 1 Send them on over and off.

Speaker 3 WWE news.

Speaker 1 WWE info. Send them over to him.
You know, keep the spirits high because that's a big part of it, brother, especially with how isolated you could feel because you're away from your team.

Speaker 1 Hopefully he's able to find.

Speaker 1 you know, everything in the doctor that he's looking for for his surgery, and hopefully he's back sooner than ever. Okay, let's move to some other subjects around the NBA.

Speaker 1 Kevin Durant ends up in the Houston Rockets organization. You obviously said that I think on June 11th on our show whenever the conversation started.

Speaker 1 You said it feels like Houston is very interested in this entire thing. There was a couple other teams.

Speaker 1 I believe Minnesota was in the convo. San Antonio was in the convo because Kevin Durant wanted to go there.
Miami Heat were in the conversation.

Speaker 1 A lot of Heatles fans were obviously pushing hard for him to go to Miami. Inevitably, he ends up with Houston, which you thought was the most serious candidate, I think, at the beginning.

Speaker 1 Was it them, the entirety? How did this deal kind of come together, Shams?

Speaker 11 It really came down to the heat in the Rockets over the last 24 hours before the trade.

Speaker 11 So we're really between Friday, Saturday, and then Sunday when the deal was complete, it was really just the heat in the Rockets, really bidding, going back and forth, negotiating.

Speaker 11 Both really wanted to get Kevin Durant in the fold. But at the end of the day,

Speaker 11 from Miami's end, they would have had to give up either Khalil Ware or a combination of several different players, Jame Jake Jr., Nikola Jovich, Haywood High Smith, the number 20th overall pick, and a potential pick swap.

Speaker 11 All of those things needed to be in the deal for Miami, unless they were going to give up Khalil Ware, which they weren't going to do. He's their young prize prospect after a great rookie year.

Speaker 11 They did not want to trade him. Essentially, he was left off the table knee conversation.
That was a non-starter for them. So from Phoenix's side, it's okay, what else could they give?

Speaker 11 The Heat decided that they were not not going to go to that length with all those pieces to get a deal done. Maybe they'll do a couple of them at different points.
Jame Hakez was discussed.

Speaker 11 Nikola Jovich was discussed. The number 20th pick was discussed.
The pick swap was discussed. Haywood Highsmith was discussed, but not all of them in entirety.

Speaker 11 It's really maybe two of four of those pieces or three of five. So it was never really concrete there.
And from Houston's perspective, Jalen Green averaged 20 points a game.

Speaker 11 Dylan Brooks, known as a tough, gritty 3D type player.

Speaker 11 To get two starters off of a number two seed, which the Rockets were last year, I think that's where Phoenix looked at it. And they felt like this is better for them for now and moving forward.

Speaker 11 And honestly, the jewel of all this was the number 10 overall pick in the draft. And you talk about like, why now? Why did this trade happen now?

Speaker 11 The trade happened now because the NBA draft is two days away.

Speaker 11 The Suns have to get moving on getting draft prospects, getting Intel, getting them into their facilities. So that's really the next step for the Suns.

Speaker 11 So I think the totality of the deal from the Rockets perspective just outweighed anything that anyone else could offer.

Speaker 11 And listen, Pat, at the end of the day, Kevin Durant had a lot of voice in this, and he made it clear where he wanted to go. He made it clear where he didn't want to go.
And teams heard it.

Speaker 11 The Suns heard it. And he had leverage because he had one year and $54 million left on his deal.

Speaker 11 And in the NBA, When you're at that caliber of player and you're on an expiring contract, you have some level of sway in a conversation.

Speaker 11 And if a team wanted to make a swing at him without his assurance or a commitment, they could have, but no one did.

Speaker 1 Okay, so is Houston going to give him an extension or does he play this out? How does that work?

Speaker 11 That will be a conversation. I do expect Kevin Durant, his business manager, Rich Kleinman, and the Rockets to have those formal discussions on an extension.

Speaker 11 I don't know if it'll be this week, but I expect at some point in July, in August, that's a conversation that will will happen.

Speaker 11 And listen, Kevin Drant is eligible for, I think it's a two-year, $121 million extension. Like, will it be all of that? Will it be a part of that?

Speaker 11 Like, it would not surprise me to see how, you know, Kevin Drant is approaching this. This is a partnership.

Speaker 11 I think there's a goal in mind here to end his career in Houston on both sides, on both fronts. And how can both sides be best suited to do that in a way?

Speaker 11 Pat, in the NBA now, like, we're throwing words like second apron, first apron.

Speaker 1 I mean, what the nba is dealing with right now what teams are dealing with is is essentially some version of a hard cap and so uh how can he make it easy on houston how can houston do right by him i think that will be a conversation at some point this offseason congrats to kd he's being he's 37 right everybody talking about his age talking about his age he he's 37 years old in basketball and uh he's still got 120 million bucks waiting on him two years for two years if he wants it where you go okay you earned it by

Speaker 1 kids been aging aging with grace yeah absolutely. And he goes to a team where he doesn't, he's just

Speaker 2 post-Achilles, too. Something to remember.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because he was able to bounce back. Here we go.
Let's chit-chat about that whenever we're talking about this particular team.

Speaker 1 Uh, Shams, uh, Big Perk mentioned something that was fascinating. Go ahead, Tone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Shams, I, something I haven't heard anywhere else yet, uh, but Big Perk brought up Lamello Ball's name when he was on in the first hour. Do you have anything else on that?

Speaker 1 Or you does Big Perk have different sources you on that one?

Speaker 11 You know, I haven't talked to Big Perk about that.

Speaker 11 I literally,

Speaker 11 that part I didn't see. So I think the only part I saw from Big Perk, the only thing I listened to, is when he talked about housekeeping barging into his room.

Speaker 11 So other than housekeeping bothering him,

Speaker 1 I don't. He didn't bother.
Housekeeper was coming to help. You want some cows of water? He said Lamello Ball might be available for trade.
Yeah, that's what he said.

Speaker 1 He said he's hearing that the potential Lamello Ball future with Charlotte is a conversation or something along those lines.

Speaker 11 I think if you're Charlotte, you're coming off back-to-back seasons with not much winning there. I'm sure they're open to a lot.
I haven't heard anything definitive on LaMelo Ball or any team

Speaker 11 or those conversations as of yet, but this is that period of time. This week, Pat, next week, this is guys

Speaker 11 when things are going to start to circulate. We're going to see a lot of rumors.
We're going to see a lot of conversations.

Speaker 11 And listen, if a team calls the Hornets and makes a massive offer or makes a real push for LaMelo Ball, I mean, if you're the Hornets, you have to be all ears at that that point, right?

Speaker 11 Like you're at the position that they are in their franchise. What we've seen Jeff Peterson, their general manager, do there is accumulate a ton of assets.

Speaker 11 Since he's taken over, he's gotten dozens of draft picks. He's been able to add players on flexible contracts.

Speaker 11 So, you know, when you're in the initial stages of a rebuild, that's typically what you do. That's typically what you prioritize.

Speaker 1 All right, you talk about timelines, deadlines. Obviously, the draft is right around the corner.
Giannis, KD was that big domino to move, your most craziest offseason ever.

Speaker 1 Has anything changed on a Giannis standpoint?

Speaker 11 No. I mean, what I said last time, I think when I spoke about Giannis on this show, was that his future is not going to be tied to the draft.
His future is not going to be tied to free agency.

Speaker 11 This is a player who is at the peak of his powers. He is in the prime of his career.
He's going to be able to dictate when and where, if there is movement in his career, when he wants that to be.

Speaker 11 So my understanding is giving the Bucs every opportunity in this offseason. We We have this draft period here.
We have free agency period coming up next week.

Speaker 11 We have trade period coming up during all of that. We have summer league coming up.
What can the Bucs do to elevate this team and surround Giannis Ntita Kumpo with the players?

Speaker 11 He's been there for 12 years. I think he owes them that.
They owe him that. So I expect that's all that will be the focus for the next several weeks.
And then after that.

Speaker 11 After, let's say, two, three weeks into July, Giannis Ntita Kumpo will then have to figure out what is it, do I feel like this team I'm on right now, is this a championship contender?

Speaker 11 Because that's what I want out of my future. That's what I've been on record of wanting, or is it just too comfortable for him?

Speaker 11 And potentially, you know, loyalty is the factor and the key that the Bucs are obviously playing on.

Speaker 11 But, you know, one thing I will say about Giannis Entertacumpo, Pat, he signed two extensions in Milwaukee both times. No one knew about it.
I didn't report on it on it until it was actually signed.

Speaker 11 So this is someone that always keeps things close to the vest. This is someone that always does things in quiet.

Speaker 11 So I'm sure there are conversations going on right now that we don't even know about around Yancekumpo and his camp.

Speaker 11 And I guess when there's going to be something to talk about, or maybe not something to talk about,

Speaker 11 we'll have something more definitive to talk about. But until then,

Speaker 11 I think the focus right now is what can Milwaukee do to make this team better?

Speaker 1 I like the fact you got a message from somebody saying, hey, listen, you don't know anything's going on.

Speaker 11 One thing I do know what's going on is Yon San Decumpo is open-minded, and he has been since I reported that during draft combine week. So he is open-minded about exploring

Speaker 11 what's the best fit for him. Is it in Milwaukee? Is it outside?

Speaker 1 Combined Pacers. Can't wait to see what it is.

Speaker 11 Also, includes seeing what that team does. What does Milwaukee do? He owes it to them.
They owe it to him. And so

Speaker 11 they have one first-round pick they can play with. They have a few second-round picks they can play with.

Speaker 1 Let's see what business can get done.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, AJ. Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Sharms, can we expect fireworks when it comes when the NBA draft is actually happening? Are we going to see some crazy movement, especially early in that first round?

Speaker 15 So, AJ, I was actually just doing some research.

Speaker 11 Like, I think the last time a massive trade happened on draft night itself was when Jimmy Butler got traded from the Bulls to the Timbrolls.

Speaker 11 That happened, I believe, during the first round of the draft.

Speaker 11 What was that, 2017, 2016,

Speaker 11 somewhere in that window. So

Speaker 11 it doesn't happen typically on the day of the draft. But again, the fact that now it's two days, I do think that could change things.

Speaker 11 Last year, day two was really dominated by where Bronnie James was going to go.

Speaker 11 This year, we'll see what could come up. We don't know yet, obviously.
But usually trades of that magnitude, though, happen either before, after a round-free agency. But listen,

Speaker 1 it's a two two-day draft we'll see what fireworks could happen i wouldn't we know when that draft is too we can't wait to watch it first round coming to you live on i'll be on it i'll be on it espn debut of uh of of

Speaker 1 when do you start when's that when's the debut that's that's coming up june 25th uh so on wednesday night wednesday wednesday wednesday

Speaker 1 for weeks will be there with me

Speaker 1 will be there with me okay so wednesday night we got where where uh malika andrews andrea carter you know Oh, ESPN NBA!

Speaker 1 Can't wait to watch it.

Speaker 1 Auditorium?

Speaker 11 We'll be at Barclays. We'll be at Barclays.
Oh, the road.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Night two is my favorite.

Speaker 1 Remember day two of the draft

Speaker 2 when Jokish got drafted?

Speaker 1 No, I'm talking about

Speaker 1 when they had the New York Seaport. Do you remember? Oh, yeah, they were all in the studio.
Yeah, they had nice.

Speaker 11 I don't know what they're doing this year.

Speaker 1 I don't know about that one. Putting them in cargo control.
That was that was all. They had like nice tables.
It was nice tables. They were nice.

Speaker 1 There's only three people with table and they were allowed. That was awesome.
They were cocktails. They were in a break room.
It's hard for me to take the NBA draft serious way.

Speaker 1 It's hard for anybody to take. There's Keurig sitting right behind the players.
Well, listen.

Speaker 11 Your boy is going to be on it.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's a Sean's production.

Speaker 1 We're going to watch it. Because you said that the thing that swung the KD

Speaker 1 trade was a 10th overall pick. I had no idea 10th overall picks meant anything.
They would trade a thousand of those away if they could. Some teams.
I'll trade you 14,000 ones

Speaker 1 for next year. What number? Who cares? And you give me two players back.
Like, that sounds like a good thing.

Speaker 11 The 10th pick's the 10th pick, though. I mean, even the NFL draft.

Speaker 1 No. No, the NBA draft, we care about these things.
You guys, don't look at five second rounds. All right, we'll give you 2031, 2037, 2038, 2039, 2045, 2052, and 2061's first-round picks.
Done.

Speaker 1 That is an NBA trade right there.

Speaker 1 You have tweeted that out right there that I just fucking put out. You guys seemingly don't care about draft at all.
And then you say, well, the number 10 overall pick.

Speaker 1 That's the one. That kind of swung the entire thing.
They would tweet that alongside the 45 overall. Team has their phase.

Speaker 11 I think teams have their phase. I think sometimes you're big on the draft.
Sometimes you might not be. Sometimes you're big on getting the big name players.

Speaker 11 And, you know, what we're seeing, you know, I will say what Oklahoma City, teams like Orlando, Houston, what they, Indiana, what they've done so well is they've drafted the right way.

Speaker 11 They've been able to keep their assets. They've been able to keep flexibility.
And that's hard.

Speaker 11 That's hard in this league because teams are so well accustomed to going and running their operations in a phase. Let's go into this phase of big name hunting.

Speaker 11 Let's go into this phase of let's just accumulate all these assets. It's like,

Speaker 11 where's the in-between? Where's the middle ground? And we've, we, during these NBA finals, we did see that, though.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, I'm going to pay attention to the draft then because you're on it.
And also, because it sounds like it matters to some teams. Yeah.
Sure.

Speaker 1 And then to other teams, it does not matter. 12th overall pick, somebody said, Jalen?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jalen Williams. Jalen Williams?

Speaker 2 14, I think.

Speaker 1 Okay. What pick was Tyrese?

Speaker 2 Tyrese was an eight, maybe?

Speaker 1 Six, eight, somewhere right now? Yeah, I thought he was.

Speaker 1 And Tyrese kind of fell in the draft.

Speaker 11 Tyrese kind of fell in the draft. There were, I mean, the Knicks had a chance to get him.
There was several teams had a chance to go get Tyrese Halliburton.

Speaker 1 12th overall pick, Tyrese Halibur. Okay.

Speaker 1 We got it right. Fourth number.
There's only 12 options available.

Speaker 1 We're.

Speaker 1 We watch a lot of drafts. Yeah, you're right.
They all kind of blend together. This is the fifth one of the year for drafting as a whole.

Speaker 2 With the W and the MLS.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did watch the MLS draft. That was a big deal.

Speaker 1 Lou Messi got drafted yet again in Miami. I'm sick of it.
When's he going to come to the Columbus Crew or the Pittsburgh Riverhounds?

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Sean Shawani, thanks, Sean.

Speaker 1 He's going to be on the draft Wednesday night. Yep.
Huge. Can't wait.

Speaker 1 What's that? June 25th. June 25th.

Speaker 1 We were hyping that up all week, all last week. It's hard.
We're in the finals, bro. We're in a championship.
It's hard to think about tomorrow when today's taking place.

Speaker 1 And today is our team winning a title. Okay, now the future of the league is on Wednesday.
I remember we talked about it last week because I said, geez, trying to steal the momentum. So quick.

Speaker 1 Okay, got it.

Speaker 1 It's not a bad idea, actually, if you think about it from a concept-wise. People were chit-chatting about the negative conversation around the Pacers Oklahoma City Final Series on sports media.

Speaker 1 A lot of people were talking about how the games weren't being sold well or being talked about in a proper way. Do you see a lot of that? I saw some.

Speaker 1 It's interesting. I wonder if that's everybody or if it's just.
The internet.

Speaker 1 What's that? Was just the internet was negative? No, because it does feel like everybody is considered negative these days.

Speaker 1 You know, everybody, like, I think that there's a lot of negative conversation. Those just tend to get louder.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, everything, whether it's, you know, the logo in the court or even the hats after the finals, like, oh, these hats are Mickey Mouse. Like, it's always something.
Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, literally. I thought that was the best hat.
I thought that was the best hat they've had. I saw it on the scoring how bad the hats are.
Yeah, that's crazy. Well,

Speaker 1 there's people saying things are bad that we know

Speaker 1 aren't that bad. That's what point.
Pregame shit. What are you thinking, though?

Speaker 2 Me, personally. Yeah.
The first thing that comes to mind is how sweet the yard goats hats are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're range goats, I understand, but the hats are filthy. I thought the hats look good.
They actually,

Speaker 1 boom, those are nice hat. A little rope hat.
Perfect. A different style of hat than the normal hat.
Oh, the rope. Yeah, rope hat.

Speaker 2 I didn't see the rope.

Speaker 1 You don't like the rope. I don't mind the rope, but it's

Speaker 1 I'd rather no rope.

Speaker 2 I just like the cursive writing in the small logo.

Speaker 1 I feel like a lot of times. I think you could eliminate the rope.
Yeah, for five years of the rope. For sure.
Get rid of the rope. No doubt.
Because the logo. You feel bad as a style of hat, though.

Speaker 1 You guys are trying to get rid of the rope. That is a style of hat.

Speaker 2 I appreciate the rope if I have to choose no rope.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but if you're wearing a golfer, people wear a rope pack golfer. Yeah, golf.
You put that out there, that thing sits up sideways. You can jump.

Speaker 2 Really? Because the nicest golf hat that I've ever seen is sitting right next to me and there's no rope. No rope.

Speaker 1 You can't compare as range goats, Merch. Well, you can't also rope in a yard goat.
That's a fitted? No. That is not a fitted hat.
No, not a fitted.

Speaker 3 No, it's not.

Speaker 1 Oh, so it fits really good then. It doesn't fit like a fitted.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, it's perfect. You know, I will say say sometimes these ones with the like mesh sides really dig into your ears big time and that kind of hurts a little bit.
But once again, Bubba

Speaker 1 has it figured out.

Speaker 3 The yard goat hat is the most comfortable.

Speaker 1 I believe Live is happening this weekend. They have a scramble happening.
In Dallas, yes, they do. Oh, Dallas Technician.
And I'll tell you what, the yard goats are not doing too good.

Speaker 1 They're at the bottom of the leadership. Shut up.
All right, let's talk about other things that are happening around the sports world, not just the yard goats.

Speaker 1 We would like the yard goats to get good. Big time.
I saw a commercial commercial for the Indianapolis live event yesterday.

Speaker 1 August. It's coming up.
August sometime, yeah. It's going to be so hot.
We'll go enjoy golf, but ladder. Bingo.
Live. Hell yeah.
I will go. Has Bubba said that package yet? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bubba owes us a package. No, he has not.
Oh, you're talking about the golf balls. Yeah, he said he was going to send about a thousand.

Speaker 1 Well, Utah also said, remember, Utah said like three days ago they're going to send him. We'll see who gets here first.
Will it be the goats or the mammoths? And we shall see. Come on, man.

Speaker 1 People are trying to supply us balls over here, AJ. Everybody's heard that I I quit golf, and they're like, well, what's the problem? It's like, you have a thing right in the back to hit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but we don't have enough balls. We'll send you balls.
We'll send you balls. Okay.

Speaker 2 Those mammoth balls need those.

Speaker 1 I'm getting that lab putter, too.

Speaker 8 Yeah, did you get that yet? You got your putter yet? You drained every single putt?

Speaker 1 In my mind, yes, I'm getting messed up.

Speaker 8 Wait, are you going to putt like Bryson, though, or are you going to do the straight arm thing?

Speaker 1 So I don't know if I'm going to do completely locked up. I don't know if I'm going to.
I think you have to. But I am going to.

Speaker 8 With a weird claw grip. You got to do a weird claw grip or something.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do this one. The sort of long one, not the all the way up one sure

Speaker 1 the church and butter sort of long one and i'm gonna wedge that thing up against this arm isn't that what kigan does and then i'm gonna turn that thing open i'm open and i'm hot i'm clap bombing that thing okay i like that i like that yeah i am and the lab allegedly will keep that thing straight what are you what are you laughing about that's i just love it i've heard other people tell me like hey you can't miss a pull with this thing it's it's so pure it rolls so nice i was like it doesn't like you still have to putt the thing in the right direction no somebody's gonna need to tell me where to go and don't worry about the speed.

Speaker 1 The speed will figure itself out. It'll be fine.
You got to wedge that thing up against here because it does it.

Speaker 8 Who looks so uncomfortable?

Speaker 1 Uncomfortable. You're an athlete.
Do you care about scoring walls being comfortable?

Speaker 1 I agree. Man, you're an athlete.
I agree. You're an athlete.

Speaker 9 Use your hands.

Speaker 8 You need them.

Speaker 1 Nick just reminded me. Thank you, Nick.
I'm going to have my meta face on too, and I'm going to be able to read the

Speaker 1 calculate

Speaker 1 left to right, three cups, no problem. I'm going to wedge that son of a bitch right off my forearm, just like this, and I'm going to line that thing up like like this.

Speaker 1 And I'm going straight back because the lab putter doesn't let me do anything else. Oh, yeah, does it? No, no.
Straight back.

Speaker 1 And then fucking right in all.

Speaker 9 It's a long putt, man.

Speaker 1 What are you putting from the fairway? 64-3, JJ Spawn. What do you think of this case? I'm winning your eyes open.

Speaker 1 Seriously, I'm sick of it. I can't think of any more.
Pete's had one of those gestures. Tommy Fleetwood maybe needs to think about doing one of these.
Doing one of these. Sure.
So that on those

Speaker 1 seven-footer? Is that what he had? He had a seven-footer.

Speaker 10 Did it hit a ball mark?

Speaker 8 Did it hit a spike mark? What do you think?

Speaker 1 It did roll. It did bump right a little bit.
Boom, right there.

Speaker 1 That thing maybe rims in. Instead, Tommy Fleetwood is not blessed by the golf gods, and that thing rolls aside.

Speaker 1 And also, the guy that's trying to beat you right now just got a perfect read off of your putt because he is literally a foot inside of you. So, worst-case scenario on all fronts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he came right inside of him down.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I saw a foot inside of him, so it was kind of a Keegan Bradley.

Speaker 1 Yeah, easier reading. Tommy's going claw grip there, so don't do the claw grip.

Speaker 2 Apparently, Keegan's had a 64-footer

Speaker 1 early on in that round. He's probably using a lab, just like I'm using.
He's doubt.

Speaker 3 I like the new stance, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 I'm right for it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, because I want to be able to see it.

Speaker 1 I think that's part of the problem. I get down here, and I do have good peripher.
I don't want to act like I do not. But it's hard to really get a good eye on it.
So this way I can just kind of.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's guaranteed.

Speaker 1 Make everything

Speaker 1 some people put while looking at the hole. Oh, inside five feet, that's Jordan Speed.

Speaker 10 Jordan Speed, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he stinks now, so don't steal that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I think inside five feet, he still got it.

Speaker 2 It's pretty good.

Speaker 3 I like that, too, though, because then you can walk right after it if you know it's going in.

Speaker 1 You can walk it in. Boom.
And it's going to be tough for me to be able to relate to you guys when you're struggling because that's what I have on my face. Okay?

Speaker 1 Okay, what is it? It's sunglasses. These are just sunglasses.
Now, granted, are they a little bit smarter in your sunglasses? Maybe. Boom.
Read the green, please. These are my sunglasses.

Speaker 1 Remember, this is not AI. This is not shooting.
These are just sunglasses.

Speaker 1 My eyes are very sensitive to light i've told you guys that in the past my this is how i think actually this is how i would normally see the green anyways so it's not cheating i'll just drop the ball here i say

Speaker 1 it's gonna be a long round real slow what that's gonna be a very long round

Speaker 1 okay that's what i'm doing all right you got it then i'm lining that thing up like this

Speaker 1 and then i'm I'm a little bit worried that if you move your head, though, you get a new line. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 8 You're still going to hit the ball, though.

Speaker 1 It doesn't hit it for you.

Speaker 5 You got to going to look like.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? You hit it perfect. You should be confident.

Speaker 10 This is going to take two and a half hours for each green you get to.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm one putting every fucking green, and you think that's going to take two and a half? You're just worried about your three putts over there, okay?

Speaker 1 And if you want my sunglasses, you can't have them. How about that?

Speaker 3 If you shoot 63, it might be worth taking an hour and a half on every hole to make sure.

Speaker 1 No, but if you want putts, he's cutting out half the time.

Speaker 3 That's a good point.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I might be 1500. Yeah, there's a real chance.

Speaker 8 How many options do you have with these sunglasses?

Speaker 1 What is never ending, brother? It's my sunglasses. It's the future.

Speaker 1 I do worry that the way this ends is not going to be how I think it is.

Speaker 1 He's got to sink the putt. Oh, my God.

Speaker 8 There you go, of course. Let's have a couple more options pop up on the screen.

Speaker 1 Well, you never know. You got to make the putt.
You got to make the putt. And remember, these are just sunglasses.
Corridor. All right.

Speaker 1 No, I'll just show it.

Speaker 1 These should show us all the options. Yeah, welcome to the game.
It'd be nice if you could order a hot dog here, though, too. I think you can, top left cards.

Speaker 8 Then you still leave a 15-footer six-feet short.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'd be fun.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's sick. It tells you how far back to go.

Speaker 8 Okay, here we go. Yep, this is cool.

Speaker 1 I didn't know it. Here we go.
This is where I'm.

Speaker 1 Why would we just build a robot to make every putt for us? Well, I just touched the ball, too. I need not do that.
Yeah, that's one. All right, this is going in.
No problem.

Speaker 1 His putter's a little.

Speaker 1 He also. For the good of everybody, pal, I need you to make this.

Speaker 8 Who is this guy?

Speaker 1 Please, Smokey. Scotty Chef.
Eight feet down. Pat.

Speaker 1 We

Speaker 2 need this to go.

Speaker 1 We want this to go in. He's got a little weird claw griff guy.

Speaker 1 Why does everybody not want it? Oh, it's already outside of it. Wait a minute.
Wait.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Did you guys think he made it? That was a great putt. What are you talking about? It's a great role.

Speaker 8 That's a good two-putt. That was a good two-putt.

Speaker 1 Anyways, and if you keep talking like that on the green when I'm out there with my sunglasses, wait until you see what I do with that two-inch putt. I'm going to get all the measurements.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get all the measurements for that two-inch putt. I can't wait.
I'm going to beat the the game. I'm going to be all the way back.
Let's talk about some other sports that are taking place.

Speaker 1 There was a sports fest that happened with Fanatics over there in New York City. Every human on earth was there.
That's what I saw from outside looking in.

Speaker 1 And there were some events that certainly captivated folks. The WWE entrances were a big hit.
It appeared. WWE entrances were a big hit.

Speaker 1 Megan Morant, Sam Roberts, Kathy Kelly judging people as entrances. I think they were stern but fair is what everybody said about their judging.
And so a lot of people do a lot of things out there.

Speaker 1 Then, you know, it came to the sports. There's basketball.

Speaker 1 Saw Tom Brady put up some shots. Saw DJ Khaled put up some shots.
Good shots. Saw Cody Rhodes, John Cena, put up some shots.
Cena's a wet jumper. Oh, yes.
Cena killed it.

Speaker 1 Into the washer and dryer, old school, classic, love that. A little couple, couple snapshots there.
And then it came time to throw baseball.

Speaker 1 And this has really become the great equalizer for the athletes of the world.

Speaker 1 Let me see if you can catch and throw a ball. And then we'll do the whole athlete conversation.
That's easy. That's what ball sport people say.
That is what ball sport people say.

Speaker 1 Anytime somebody says it's the best athlete on earth, it's the best athlete on earth. We agree, great athlete.

Speaker 1 Can you throw and catch? Or is that not possible? So then normally opening pitches become like a little bit of a,

Speaker 1 okay, it's an athlete. Ooh, never played a sport before in their life.

Speaker 1 We might have something that has debunked all of that. Yeah.
And I am a little bit worried that we can no longer just judge people outright off of their opening pitches. What?

Speaker 1 Joe Burrow was throwing a baseball and it looks like this guy's never thrown anything in his life before. That MLB sign on the left needs to look out.

Speaker 1 Now, first of all, the camera person needs to back up. Let me throw a little bit.
Hi, I think he hits the wall. Okay.

Speaker 10 He's throwing it like a football.

Speaker 8 He needs, you know, he got a much bigger windup and football.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Oh, that's two.
Okay, that's two. He's throwing real.
He had to pitch.

Speaker 8 He had to pitch growing up off the match.

Speaker 1 I said the same thing. So we looked it up.
I don't think he played high school baseball. Now, that one looks a little bit closer.
He's just dialing it in.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he's aiming for the thing right there and straight in front of him. He's to the left every time.
Joe, aim right, Joe. Just one time, Joe.
Aim right.

Speaker 1 He keeps going left. Same miss, same miss, same miss.

Speaker 1 Somebody needs to tell him, hey, Joe, boom, aim a little bit more right, pal, because his football throwing motion is obviously carrying the baseball to the left.

Speaker 1 Now, we've seen Paul Skeens throw a football at Big Night Out, and it was the same thing. He was throwing it like it was a baseball, and that thing was turning to the left.

Speaker 1 I think it's a grip-release thing between baseballs and footballs, and obviously, the size is vastly different. Paul Skeens would have broke that thing, okay? He was throwing gas.

Speaker 1 I think Joey Burrow obviously would inevitably end up hitting the target, but he's too good. Nobody, like, he couldn't find himself just playing the pool.

Speaker 1 Like some people think they'll be able to figure it out. Like, no, I'll be able to throw it straight.
I'll be able to throw it straight.

Speaker 1 What he needed to do here is you were fucking aiming for a fairway on the right. Yeah.
You are aiming right and you are throwing that thing right back in real time.

Speaker 1 But a lot of people are very flustered by the fact that Joey B pulled some there.

Speaker 1 I still don't understand it. Like how.

Speaker 1 Like regardless professional quarterback, I don't care what sports you played or didn't play. I don't understand how you continue.
Okay, back up, backup.

Speaker 8 he's got that nice, tight football release, so that's his problem.

Speaker 2 Why doesn't he change it though?

Speaker 1 I mean, like the athlete thing, yeah, yeah, of course. After the first one, all right, let's

Speaker 1 be messing with some people, though, honestly.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, because he's taking it pretty serious. If he's telling people, like, hey, back up, back up.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to throw this baseball.

Speaker 1 I think he didn't want to hurt his hand. Keep going a little bit more if we can.
His hand? Yeah, so at the top, it's like

Speaker 1 at the very top, as it's exiting, it's like clearly like

Speaker 1 a football ank wrist flip. Like he's even doing one of those.
I think that's why it's all coming down to the left, personally. Yeah, if he did that like twice, hey,

Speaker 1 that's going to happen.

Speaker 2 You can't be doing it six straight times and maybe, hey, I don't want to change my release, you know, blah, blah, blah. We look like an idiot.
And you're also...

Speaker 1 No, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 Respectfully, respectfully.

Speaker 1 Bad look for just the NFL as a whole because of this.

Speaker 2 It's not just him. You know, Taylor LaWan also just threw a terrible first pitch.
Like, all of a sudden, I'm thinking of NFL players. Jordan Love.

Speaker 1 Throwing baseballs. Jordan Love.

Speaker 2 Hold on. Why can't NFL guys throw baseballs?

Speaker 1 Too strong, but the ball's too small.

Speaker 3 I still think there is a chance that Ruben gimmicked all those baseballs because everyone saw how he threw and he was like, I can't have these guys coming in and just put, you know, Peyton the center.

Speaker 1 I'm going to screw a hole in one of these balls or something like that.

Speaker 3 And I'm going to, you know, make these guys have

Speaker 1 a pitch like I had. I appreciate the fact that that could be happening.
And I appreciate the fact that Joe Burrow goes out there in front of everybody and does that. Okay, I do appreciate that.

Speaker 1 I also like the fact that he said give me back to football yeah okay get me back to a football we have a season to be had i was worried about asking paul to throw that football for big night out sure i was like hey i don't know what your procedure is your routine is it's heavier it's bigger i don't want to be the one that hurts anything he was like i'll throw it i don't care i'm like yeah but i don't want to he goes i i got it And he fought that second one?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's firing that thing. He was firing that thing.
I mean, it was so, and then he goes, yep, all right, see you later. And inevitably, Sidney Crosby would make it, Ben Rothesberger made it.

Speaker 1 So I gave $2 million away at the end of the night instead of $3 million away at the end of the night.

Speaker 1 Paul Skeens, absolute gentleman, sends me a text and says, hey, I realized that I saved you a million dollars, so I will sleep well at night because I missed.

Speaker 1 And I said, hey, very kind of you to think that way. If it would have won in, though, would have went to a great family wearing Philadelphia Eagles jerseys in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Paul Skeens, great pitcher. You know who else might be?

Speaker 1 Who? A pitcher on the rise? Who's that?

Speaker 1 Shohei Otani. Oh.
This weekend. Let's talk about Shohei getting back on the mountai Schmidt.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, he looked good. You know, he's still in the...
We talked about this with Jet.

Speaker 3 He doesn't have the luxury of going down to the minors and doing like a couple spot starts down there to kind of get ready. So they just got to throw him into game action.

Speaker 3 But his first start, a little rough, you know, as to be expected, kind of battling control a little bit.

Speaker 1 It's him and Klepstein, brother. Exactly.

Speaker 3 Yesterday against the Nationals, he gets in there. He's touching 100 miles an hour.
He strikes out two guys. And then not only does he strike out two guys and his day is done.

Speaker 3 so you'll just see i mean that's a oh filthy filthy little split finger that's joe burrow right um yeah joe was throwing yeah exactly exactly

Speaker 1 he's trying

Speaker 3 so that's the that's the difference uh so shohei looks great on the bump there you go i'll have another sit down please two strikeouts yeah two strikeouts how many total wilds in his uh time playing uh he only pitched one inning so he got three outs so two-thirds of the outs he recorded were strikeouts.

Speaker 1 Okay, and then...

Speaker 3 And then at the dish, you know, this is just Shohei being Shohei. He's He's going to, I mean, just so effortless, just so effortless, just poke it out, oppo.

Speaker 3 And I think this was the one that maybe it was just a triple.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Finn interference.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, this was the home run.

Speaker 3 And then he also had a triple, a basis clearing triple later in this game. He had five RBIs.
So, you know, he's not going to get the win or anything like that.

Speaker 3 But if you're a Dodgers fan and you see what Shohei is doing on the bump, you're like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, when you think this team couldn't get any better, if they get a Shohei Otani who's close to 100% pitching as well, boy, it might be tough to beat the Dodgers in a seven-game series.

Speaker 1 Now, I hear that there is potential baseball people that are like, why are we wasting any time on his bump? Why are we wasting any time? Two strikeouts, three outs in total.

Speaker 1 Is he going to become a dominant pitcher for the Dodgers?

Speaker 3 I mean, he is, when he's like, you know, healthy, he is a very dominant pitcher. And I don't know.

Speaker 3 I mean, you hear Jets say like, Shohei wants to do this, so like, it's going to happen no matter matter what. That kind of ends the conversation.

Speaker 3 But just for me, the Dodgers have 15 guys, like, 15 pitchers on the disabled list right now. So, like,

Speaker 3 they can't afford to

Speaker 3 lose Shohei.

Speaker 1 They just can't.

Speaker 3 And it's just, you look at what he does at the plate. Like, he is a monster.
So it's kind of one of those things where it's like, is it even worth him potentially getting hurt?

Speaker 3 Not even talking Tommy John, but like if he does something and does something to his finger and he has to miss two weeks or whatever, it's just, I I don't know if you want to throw off

Speaker 3 the routine and like how much of a zone he's in right now at the plate.

Speaker 1 Okay, so at the plate he's a monster. Is he like big dumper or no?

Speaker 1 Tell me about big

Speaker 1 dumper. Who is big

Speaker 1 dumper?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Cal Raleigh, catcher for the Mariners, switch hitter. I mean, and you just, you know,

Speaker 1 looks like, yeah, let's go.

Speaker 1 He's an absolute dog.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I mean, fastest of 30 homers in a season since Barry Bonds, obviously. And that was the year Barry Bonds, you know, set the home run record.
I mean, it's one of those things where

Speaker 3 he has unbelievable power.

Speaker 1 He's got a big dumper.

Speaker 3 He's got a big dumper. One of his teammates started calling him Big Dumper in 2020.
I saw his mom isn't a huge fan of the nickname, but she does love that the fans support him. But yeah,

Speaker 3 Big Dumper, like, this is just day in, day out now. You know, like, you'll look at a box score.

Speaker 3 He's a big thumper with a big dumper.

Speaker 1 he probably did take some big dumpers i would assume he does yes he does we watch it he he goes uh left-handed and right-handed yeah switch hitter yep

Speaker 1 and he just he just clobbers the baseball and catchers aren't normally the best hitters on the team okay so he's in the middle of an at-bat yeah okay he's batting righty

Speaker 1 pitcher gets pulled middle of at bat does that happen uh sometimes okay so he's batting righty new pitcher comes in what what would uh the pitching team want to go against a righty they'd want a lefty against a righty or a a righty against a righty?

Speaker 3 It kind of depends. But yeah, typically you want opposite on whatever

Speaker 3 the person's going. If you're the pitcher.
Yeah, like, so if you have a lefty at the plate, a lot of times they will throw righties.

Speaker 3 But like me personally, I always thought it was weird facing a left-handed pitcher because everything feels like it's like inside.

Speaker 3 It all kind of, I mean, matchups matter, but it kind of just comes down to like.

Speaker 1 Can he switch sides of the fight in the middle of an at-bat? Yeah, so let's say

Speaker 1 he's batting leftie. I need two strikes on the right side.
I'm not doing it anymore. I'm throwing it on the other side.
Yeah, if they pulled it. Yeah,

Speaker 3 exactly. There is a clip of that guy, some guy in Japan who, like, every pitch is going from the right side to the left side to the right side.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How come Big Dumper's not doing that? He's kind of like, sorry, mom, Big Thumper not doing that. He's getting locked in on one side of the plate then hitting bombs.

Speaker 1 Is the best matchup or is it just how he's feeling? Is he trying to keep it equal on either side? Like I have so many questions. Why doesn't everybody do this? It's very difficult.

Speaker 3 Yeah, very, very difficult.

Speaker 3 Especially when you get to the, like, I think there are a lot of guys who at like a younger age, like, maybe even in college, like, they'll, they're whoever, you know, their dad or coach or whatever, like, guys will switch hit.

Speaker 3 But then you get to the,

Speaker 3 like, it's very, very evident.

Speaker 3 Like, sometimes, like, guys, like, okay, they'll say he's a switch hitter, but then it's like, this guy's hitting 165 from the left side of the plate, and he's hitting 320 from the right side of the plate.

Speaker 1 If you look at him in all of these, like, if it's a lefty, he is batting from the right-hand side. If it's a righty, he's batting on the left-hand side.
Because I assume he's like,

Speaker 1 you don't, when the breaking stuff is breaking away from you,

Speaker 1 it's kind of a pain in the ass. So I assume he hates that, so he goes opposite of what the throw is.
Oh, he wants the break to come towards him. Yes.
Is this normal?

Speaker 2 Like, back in the day, or not even back in the day,

Speaker 2 if this was 2005, the assumption is, you know, Cow Rally, big thumpers on steroids. Like, has he always been this good and this is just his best year ever?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think he's got like ridiculous power, and now he's just kind of starting to put it together. And this will be the kind of thing, I mean, like you from both sides, Ty?

Speaker 8 Usually, one side, which one is he more dominant, like power-wise?

Speaker 3 That I don't know, because again, the Mariners are way up there.

Speaker 3 They play a lot of late games, so like I'll see mostly, I haven't looked at like his splits from both sides of the plate, but I mean, if you already, we're not even in July yet, and he's already got, what, 32 homers?

Speaker 3 Like, so he's he's doing pretty good from both sides of the plate.

Speaker 1 I think there is a strategy he should be using, uh, Japanese high schooler

Speaker 1 every single pitch. Yes,

Speaker 1 stance, yeah, it's gonna be tough to get a strike, yeah.

Speaker 3 That's okay in Japan. If you do that in the USA, uh, the pitcher is throwing that directly at your head, he's on base, yeah, he is on base, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's oh, he's gonna think about bunting on the left side. Oh, wait a minute, you know what?

Speaker 1 I think I got a better look at it on his side. Now he's standing up, no, he's back down.

Speaker 1 Now he's up, he's stepping,

Speaker 1 oh, what are you gonna call it? Wait, wait, you gotta get two true rights.

Speaker 1 You got to get hit.

Speaker 1 She's about to do all this and get struck out. No, he's not.
He's hitting a bomb for sure. Fake bunt.
Oh, that's a strike. No way.
He's got a strike.

Speaker 1 2-2.

Speaker 1 2-2. Here we go.
He needs a foul one off at least. He needs to work this a little bit.
Swing. Oh, he got hit by...

Speaker 1 I'll make some sense 1,000. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Big thumper needs to think about it.

Speaker 1 Why didn't I do that in my game? How come though he said this is about you? You should have. You should have.
The worst thing I've ever seen on a base. Yeah,

Speaker 1 worst? What are you talking about? He got on base. He's over time, too.

Speaker 1 He got lucky. He got lucky.
Dancing in the battle. Are you allowed to dance in there? Yeah, I mean, you can do it.

Speaker 1 But again, you know, if you strike out, then you bite the biggest jackass on the face of the earth. So you're allowed to sit in there and do a full do whatever bullshit you want in there, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Going to the other side. Big thumper needs to think about it.

Speaker 3 He's good. He's very good.

Speaker 1 Shout out to baseball. Shout out to soccer.
It happened this weekend.

Speaker 1 We did it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We finally did it.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 9 We won it all. We won the big tournament.

Speaker 1 We won. We did it.

Speaker 1 We did it. We got guys scoring goals.
USA.

Speaker 1 USA.

Speaker 1 USA. Soccer USA, winning games.
Okay. We played Haiti, big time win.
We got a couple guys on the team scoring a lot of goals.

Speaker 1 That guy, bang. I think he

Speaker 1 getting his first real action for Team USA. Heading into the World Cup, getting an opportunity maybe because other guys aren't on the roster.
Maybe Coach Paunch is looking to find some more guys.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people think that there isn't a lot of good soccer players in America, okay? Because every time we get a team, we go out there seemingly underperform, underwhelm.

Speaker 1 I think there's just a lot of guys and we don't get the right guys. I think there's a question on whether or not we're getting the right guys.

Speaker 1 So I think Paunch is trying to get his right group of guys and we're winning games. Now, granted, we can only play against who we can play against.
Okay, Trinidad, Tobago, Saudi Arabia, Haiti.

Speaker 1 You can only play against who you can play. That's right.
Okay, that is it. But it feels like Team USA might be finding something, Gumpy.

Speaker 1 We still have some time before the World Cup to get holistic in the boys in there and really...

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Are we winning the World Cup, Gumpy? Is there a chance?

Speaker 5 They are playing well right now. Malik Tillman plays for PSV.
Bayer Leverkusen, one of the biggest teams in Germany just put in a bid for him because he's playing so well at this tournament.

Speaker 5 They play Costa Rica Sunday in Minnesota, the quarterfinals of the Golden Command.

Speaker 1 This is who you were talking about here.

Speaker 5 What's his name? Malik Tillman.

Speaker 5 He scored three in this tournament.

Speaker 5 He's played unbelievable and we got another guy five goals nine games who is it uh patrick ajimang he plays for charlotte i believe he that's the most goals in first nine games since josie altador yeah okay

Speaker 2 we got some real players charlotte uh what league are they in

Speaker 1 checker owns the team remember they fired five coaches in the first three years oh mls charlotte yeah well lou messi plays in mls too he does charlotte france okay yeah all right no the boys are rolling you know what you know what team usa isn't playing well i i don't want to talk about that I would like to take us back in time whenever flag football was becoming a topic of conversation in the actual football world,

Speaker 1 tackle football world. And flag football is having a great, great,

Speaker 1 great push as a father of a two-year-old daughter named Mackenzie, who I think is going to be great.

Speaker 1 at being elusive with the flags and it looks like she's going to be able to throw good. Flag football will be a great sport for her to play.
I'm happy there is a development.

Speaker 1 But there's a conversation at like the highest of levels on who should represent United States.

Speaker 1 Is it the flag footballers that do flag football all day, every day, or is it the greatest in the world at football? That's a conversation.

Speaker 1 Flag football, different sport than tackle football, although they're playing football at the end of the day. Here's a quarterback of the U.S.
flag football team, Mr.

Speaker 1 Doucette, just like a year and a half ago, I believe.

Speaker 16 At the end of the day, I feel like I'm better than Patrick Mahomes because of my IQ of the game. I know he's right now the best in the league.
I know he's more accurate.

Speaker 16 I know he has all these intangibles. But when it comes to flag football, I feel like I know more than him.

Speaker 1 Okay, and I can respect that because there are different rules. With that being said,

Speaker 1 we can't be losing to Canada. Okay?

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. You guys can't be losing.
Canada's any more.

Speaker 5 It's a strong squad.

Speaker 1 It is not.

Speaker 5 The Canada one is.

Speaker 1 It is not. That is the problem that I'm having here.
Now, I learned this from Football Canada's official senior men's senior masculine. Obviously, you guys speak French in there

Speaker 1 because it is Canada. 25-21, they go on to play Japan, I think, in the next couple days, Super Duper International Bowl.

Speaker 1 This flag football here. That's embarrassing.
Can't happen.

Speaker 1 Joke.

Speaker 1 Who's playing? Who was on the team? Who's responsible?

Speaker 8 Yeah, who was on our team?

Speaker 1 We haven't been able to get all the details. I just saw a disc posted.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Doucet was playing in that. He's on the roster.
He is on the website whenever we checked it, who was playing. He is on the roster.
And maybe Canada just has a team.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe also we should think about Lamar Jackson playing on this team. There you go.

Speaker 1 Kyler Murray playing on this team. Sure.

Speaker 8 Even let our college guys play on this team. If you want to make it all college kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
There we go.

Speaker 1 Anything.

Speaker 1 We can't be losing in flag football at the Olympics in the United States of America. That cannot happen.
Just like

Speaker 1 just how. I'm getting worried.

Speaker 3 I'm not getting into it. I'd actually take it a step further and I'd say

Speaker 3 we should win every game by at least 100.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Did you see Tyreek?

Speaker 8 Yeah. Send a message.
He's playing right.

Speaker 1 He needs to just do a little end-around ski. Yep.

Speaker 1 One of those things. Exactly.
They have a two-quarterback option thing in flag football. I've watched these high school girls do it.
Pro Bowl weekend. Unstoppable, seemingly.
Great play design.

Speaker 1 And you get Tyreek out there in motion. I don't think we're losing to Canada ever again.
No. Okay.
Might lose to him in hockey. Yeah, right.
Have you seen our roster, Gumps? Have you seen our roster?

Speaker 1 Stack. I have.

Speaker 5 The U.S. or the Canadians? U.S.
Yeah, it'll be pretty much the same teams as four nations. And with a little more sauce, yeah, a little more sauce for the Canadians as well.

Speaker 5 It'll be, I mean, both teams will be better for the Olympics. That's how it should be.

Speaker 1 Tom Wilson playing for Canada? Yeah, he'll be out there. How many, do you guys even have enough to field a flag football team?

Speaker 5 I mean, how it looks like it. I mean, I wasn't sure what he was doing.

Speaker 1 They got a lot of lacrosse. That's probably good flag football.
Yeah, sure, right. La Crosse, guys.
Kid Canada is probably out there.

Speaker 3 Kid Canada is definitely the quarterback.

Speaker 1 And we got guys thinking they're the best things to ever play football.

Speaker 1 That's a joke. I'm not saying I should be on the team.

Speaker 1 Why not? Good. You're K.
Harry Connor, right? What's up, Kevin Conner? Heisman House.

Speaker 2 Can we just put all the Heisman House people in it?

Speaker 1 Bingo. Just one.
Dez, Reggie, Tebow,

Speaker 1 Bo, Bob, Cam. Cam and I.
Headball coach.

Speaker 1 All of them. Put them all.
Coach Sabin. Have him coach.
Yeah, yeah. Sure.
Johnny Football. I don't like Arch Lizer in Canada.
Arch, okay. Petty George.

Speaker 8 He's in good shape.

Speaker 1 Everybody out there. Sure.
That's what we should have done at the Super Duper International Bowl. How you start is not how you finish, though, at the International Bowl.

Speaker 1 The United States of America is ready to get back. Just like soccer in the Gold Cup

Speaker 2 or whatever cup we're in.

Speaker 1 Canelo and Terrence Crawford got into a little bit of a shoving match at a stare down over the weekend in Saudi Arabia getting ready for their massive fight September 13th on Netflix. Fight of a

Speaker 1 century,

Speaker 1 fight of a generation, greatest fight of all time.

Speaker 1 All these things can be title for this. Dana White, obviously, his first venture into the boxing space since being a boxing trainer before he ended up taking over the UFC.

Speaker 1 Obviously, TKO alongside Turkey and the Crowned Prince putting this all together. Knockout bonuses on the line.
I think this is going to be a...

Speaker 1 spectacle and I can't wait to watch in Allegiance Stadium, I believe.

Speaker 2 More stuff on Netflix is just so clutch. I don't have to worry about when this is happening because I know I won't have to try and find it.
It's just going to be right there on Netflix. Thank God.

Speaker 1 And before we get out of here,

Speaker 1 an American legend has passed away. CEO and founder of FedEx, Fred Smith, father of Arthur Smith, current offensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers, has passed away.

Speaker 1 If you don't know this man's American dream story from Maureen to obviously Fortune 100 company CEO, at one point, he actually went to Vegas, played blackjack, made enough money to save FedEx and launch it into the place that it is today.

Speaker 1 So rest in peace, Fred. You've done good, pal.

Speaker 1 You've done good. American Dream Story as we continue digitally on YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, and TikTok Live.
We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Oklahoma City, right, AJ?

Speaker 9 Absolutely. Congrats.

Speaker 8 That was a well-deserved win.

Speaker 1 We can't wait to watch their parade. I assume it's going to be insane.
We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.
It might change their life. We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 All right, I feel like I really nailed it. Had to get Fred Smith on it.
Yeah, of course. Truly.

Speaker 1 They did it on the traveler championship because fedex they did like a whole little uh like tribute talk about fred smith well in the fact i i think he was uh i think he was in the background oh maybe fedex uh that was uh his brother's brother

Speaker 1 yeah what was his name what was his name oh anyways whole family american dream stuff

Speaker 1 like legit and former marine

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Love that.
Big Smith? The Cal Big

Speaker 1 FedEx.

Speaker 8 This dude started it.

Speaker 1 yeah and at one point had to go to vegas and like yeah because i think there was a shipment or something couldn't afford couldn't get done if you didn't the flights yeah i think it was planes company goes bankrupt if not able to get this done at a place where we have this amount of money need this amount of money if we don't get this it's all gone let's go to vegas to the table hit that thing bang yeah we got a company now that's like a that's what i mean that takes so much courage america that is america man let's go for it and uh rest in peace to him.

Speaker 1 And obviously, well wishes to his entire family. We forgot to meet a couple.
Yeah, my Christmas. Dogs.
Dogs. Dogs across the board.
All right, let's get into a break.

Speaker 1 On the other side, we'll wrap up everything else that happened in the sports world. And we'll also congratulate the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 Big Burke was on today. That was good.
He was.

Speaker 1 Carl. Yeah, Ravi was good.

Speaker 9 Ravi was great.

Speaker 17 I loved watching Ravi.

Speaker 1 And we also have some breaking news, AJ.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow on the program, it'll be a Tuesday, and

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers will be. Wow.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Steelers.

Speaker 1 First time Aaron joins us at the Pittsburgh Steeler tomorrow. Wow.
Can't wait to catch up. Good.
A lot has happened since the last time we talked to Aaron. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now he calls the city of Steel his home.

Speaker 1 Oh, mama, I'm in here

Speaker 1 on my life from the long,

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 1 of the

Speaker 1 long.

Speaker 1 Boom. What are we going to talk about tomorrow with him, AJ?

Speaker 9 I don't know.

Speaker 8 I hope he wears his new jersey like this, though, for the, you know, when he comes on the show.

Speaker 1 Me too. I don't like the, you know what? You guys have been a little loose with your questions in the past.
Let's keep it football related. Like what? Let's keep it.
All right. Okay.
Keep talking.

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Speaker 1 Talk to Stables here at Boss Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, that hat is the most startling, but certainly one you're most proud of, it feels like.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 Shout out to the yard goats, my boys. We're about to put one together here, and

Speaker 3 you're going to see them climbing the live leaderboard. Yeah, sources close to the yard goats have said Bubba's thinking about having one here.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah. This weekend.

Speaker 3 Starting this weekend in Dallas or wherever the hell it's at, Texas?

Speaker 1 Yep, Dallas.

Speaker 1 Dallas, yeah. Yep.

Speaker 1 I knew. I knew.
Yeah, confident. Yeah, exactly.
Be a confident goat.

Speaker 3 Well, I've been watching so much yard goats lately. I feel like I've been traveling with the boys and they're everywhere.
So it's.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes you don't know what city you're doing. Exactly.
One half of the hammer. Dad.
Cowboys AP Tone is here. Tone, how'd the Gomblers do last night?

Speaker 1 The Gomblers, you know, if you're an OKC fan, you did well on OKC the entire.

Speaker 1 I'd say.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Well, was there a percentage of who was on what? Do we know who was heavily bet last night? It was about 50-50, to be honest. Really? Yeah.
Throughout the entirety of the series?

Speaker 1 Early in the series, it was on OKC. And then, like, once you're the Pacers and you start winning games as dogs, it came more that way.

Speaker 1 Last time I looked at it was on Saturday, and it was like 54% on OKC. So, I mean, it's basically 50-50.

Speaker 1 I think the Fnatics sports books refunded anybody that had Tyreese Halliburton in a parlay or any of their prop bets. I think DraftKings did as well.
DraftKings did it too.

Speaker 1 Foxy said he saw Fandel did it as well. You, as Gombler, there has been some refunds that people that actually gamble despise.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, getting money back from a sports book, not a bad thing for anybody. We're pulling free to always get money from a sports book.

Speaker 1 But there are some decisions that were made that were like counter to actually gambling. Like

Speaker 1 a once-in-a-lifetime anomaly of a play happens, whether it's the annexation of Puerto Rico and somebody throws it out of the back of the end zone on a kickoff, and now it's a safety, it's two points, it swings one thing or the other.

Speaker 1 They were giving like refunds. Some people were giving refunds to that.
And a lot of gamblers were like, ah, like that's like, because there's people that won because of that, too.

Speaker 1 Like, that's part of the game. The injury one, though, doesn't feel like you're as against.

Speaker 1 I was always someone who, once you put that money in on the bet, if it doesn't hit, you know, you know, the risk you're taking when you put the money down.

Speaker 1 Last night, I was okay with them refunding for that injury.

Speaker 1 And I think I said it earlier, it was the first time I watched an athlete get injury and I actually injured, and I actually cared about that athlete. And actually,

Speaker 1 like, it affected me emotionally.

Speaker 8 First time ever?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What an asshole. It was so bad.
Wow. I remember Neil O'Donnell had something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 That he had, Cordell had to have something throughout your life.

Speaker 1 Sidney Crosby had that concussion, they called it, or whatever, but it was a spinal concussion. Yeah.
Like the NHL was wording it as a concussion, I believe. It was a spinal concussion.

Speaker 1 Devastating for the city.

Speaker 3 Jason Kendall had a grisly

Speaker 1 ankle injury, huh? Yeah. And his pop time slowed down.
He never was able to bounce back from that. I didn't know any of those guys.

Speaker 1 I've read Cody Rhodes. We've known, we've met Tyrese.

Speaker 1 Everybody had that torn pack.

Speaker 1 Sorry for caring about Tyrese. Sorry.
No, I appreciate that. It's just that we've learned that you care about nobody else.
What we do care about Tyrese, I was bummed out too, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like very bummed out. Like,

Speaker 1 I tweeted that I'm sick. It was like, I think that is kind of how I felt.
I've never felt that way before either. Yeah.

Speaker 1 To your point, I've never actually experienced that. There was a West Virginia run where I think Deshaun Butler got hurt.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think Deshaun had like an Achilles or an ACL or something and Huggins goes out on the court and it was like that West Virginia team had a chance, certainly felt it there, experienced it there.

Speaker 1 It was like that one with the way he reacted to it was like he knew. I was so bummed out for him.

Speaker 3 And he was saying no.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like I imagine his whole life being seven NBA Finals.

Speaker 2 Three or four from three to start.

Speaker 1 It's about to, we're about to drop 60 maybe tonight here.

Speaker 1 And instead, there's other plants and your Achilles is gone. So I was bummed out for him as well.
It was the first time like, yeah, like I had a sick feeling in my stomach.

Speaker 2 Well, also, the worst part of it was,

Speaker 2 at least for me personally, games one to five, it felt like that was a reality. Hey, this might happen.
This might happen. This might happen.
Game six, they play so well.

Speaker 2 He's rested in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 Like going into game seven last night, it was the first game where I wasn't thinking about, hey, he might tear his Achilles just because it feels as though all the other games, that was kind of the thought.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like he was going to be able to finish the game. Yeah.
Yeah, because there was a lot of of confidence from the reporters about like game time decision convo, and then he's going to play.

Speaker 1 And in our eyes, it was like, he looked pretty hurt coming off of some of those things. Like whenever he got, he shot a three.
I forget who was against. It might have been the finals against Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 It had to have been, I guess. Shoots a three from the corner.
He goes, gets the rebound. He gets knocked.
Awkward. Awkward landing.
And then he's down. Then he's limping pretty good after that.

Speaker 1 And it was like, that looks like a real, that looks like a real injury there. Because a lot of these basketball guys roll their ankles and just keep rolling.
Like, I don't know how.

Speaker 1 I roll my ankle and I'm fucking, the thing blows up to the size of a balloon. It's weak.
I'm in pain. These guys fucking roll their ankles and then they go to the back.

Speaker 1 I assume they get some tortoise or something. I don't know what else they get.
And then they're jogging back. I'm like, I just saw your shit sideways.
I have no idea how you do it.

Speaker 1 So it's not a knock against that. I don't think it's a toughness thing.
But the way he was like limping, it was like, that doesn't look good at all.

Speaker 1 And then they said it was a calf strain and it was an ankle. It was like, well, there's one thing in between those two.

Speaker 1 Like, I wonder, you know, there's a lot of, it was just, I didn't think he was healthy. So whenever he does come out and have 14 and rest that entire thing, it's like, okay, he's good.
He's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then game seven, it's, you're right.
There was not even a single thought. Yeah, like it was.
It was like, we're going to get best on best here tonight.

Speaker 2 Yeah, bingo.

Speaker 1 And then it started that way, making shots on both sides. Bang, bang, bang.
We're about to have a shootout in the NBA Finals, game seven almost. And then that's it.

Speaker 1 He heard it the same way he heard it the other night. Like it was the same exact fall as the game five.
Yeah, drive to the left.

Speaker 3 And I thought, too, like, I mean, that you have to give the Pacers a lot of credit for the way they responded right after that to be leading at halftime because, like, something like that happened.

Speaker 1 Circle around. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because all those guys knew, like, you could, you could see that it was just like, oh, shit. You know, like, we still have to play.

Speaker 3 You know, and it's, this isn't a game in the middle of the regular season. Like, this is game seven to the finals.
We have to try to figure out.

Speaker 3 So, like, props to them for, I mean, they look great in that first half.

Speaker 1 Are we ever going to get an Achilles figure figure outer oh you know like ellatrosh has the achilles factory out there in la the new york guy here it sounds like o'malley

Speaker 1 uh is the nba's version of the achilles but the achilles is a real yeah i'm not gonna say uh death sentence but it's like you're doing real time after the achilles ACL, obviously, you're still doing real time, but I feel like they figured it out a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Like medical advancements have been happening in the orthopedic world.

Speaker 1 It feels like on a regular basis, shoulders, elbows, knees, I think hips are even getting to a spot where they're a lot better than they once were. It's like the Achilles is still like

Speaker 1 Achilles. Everybody still has the same reaction.

Speaker 1 Hopefully we figure it out. And this is

Speaker 1 just the worst part of sports. It's the part we all kind of sign up for.
It's all in the fine print. And whatever, it doesn't matter what game, what moment, you know, you have that risk.

Speaker 1 But if he had to do it, you know, a hundred times again and playing a game seven, like he's going to suit up and go out there and play.

Speaker 1 Like there's no way he's pulling himself out of that game situation. When you get hurt, it's not just the pain of the injury.

Speaker 1 Like you're laying down there, you kind of, I'm sure the offseason comes to mind. Like, damn, next season comes to mind.
You know, all these different. You have no offseason.
Yeah, because

Speaker 1 you go from the highs of the high to like the lowest of the low. So man, it's tough.
And to your point, like, you do have to kind of...

Speaker 1 You deal with those emotions as a teammate, as an opponent.

Speaker 1 We've been in games, I'm sure, where, you know, somebody gets a bad injury, you know, the stretcher comes out, everybody's on a knee praying, and then it's like, all right, whistle blows, you got to get back to it.

Speaker 1 Don't kill that. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So it's crazy but they still gave us a great game on both sides on that note jalen williams was on first take this morning and was asked about how they reacted whenever tyrese gets hurt he gave a great answer we know we can only imagine actually just seeing and witnessing when halliburton went down what it was like for the indiana pacers what was it like for you guys to see him go down like that earlier in the game.

Speaker 17 I know that's the competitor, that's the competition. You're trying to beat him and what have you, but what was that like for y'all collectively as a team? Can you take us to that moment?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 20 First, just shout out him in general, just playing with the risk that he was, like knowing that and still going out there.

Speaker 20 Mad respect for that. And then just as a competitor, I think the human side of that is like, you don't ever want to see anybody get hurt, especially in a big game.

Speaker 20 I always try and put myself in somebody else's shoes and for him to have the season that he had, the playoff already had, for him to end it like that sucks.

Speaker 20 We never wished that with anybody but at the same time it was kind of like one of those things where we have to recalibrate and not let up on the gas because he's not playing you know they're a really good team and we still had to close the door on them yeah and they did in the second half obviously they end up pulling away dj mccon goes crazy

Speaker 1 nemhard does his thing nemhard's smooth yeah yeah he's a very smooth player pascal obviously gonna be that knee smith got a lot of uh fouls early there didn't love that great defensive side of the ball mather was fighting math i love mathren yeah love what he was doing he's a good ball player he is he is he can get hot at any point in time and if he was gonna get hot i mean that would have been a great time yeah for it to happen he kind of did he like rolled his ankle too and was just jogging down the court limping down limping back limping down limping back and then just full speed again i'm like how these

Speaker 1 how do these guys do i i don't know how because the ankle i saw also some people bring up the shoes on the internet because like guys are wearing low tops now everybody used to wear you know some sort of high top or mid to kind of help keep everything kind of in place that was in theory i wonder if new science says like hey if you tape your ankles it's just as good as having high top reboard yeah a lot of them wear a lot of them wear those pretty bulky uh ankle braces as well like look at steph curry he has those bulky like tie type ankle braces they're all i feel like most players have some kind of ankle support even if they're wearing low tops they have taped ankles or the or the deal dude they run so much yeah

Speaker 1 start stop start stop especially when you're that tall like that just so tough on your body yeah because you got to everything has to move you know and everything is just kind of like for their body.

Speaker 1 Like literally everything is just bigger. Yeah, elongated.

Speaker 1 Like Tyree

Speaker 1 built.

Speaker 8 You can't really prehab like an Achilles, can you?

Speaker 8 I mean, you can obviously strengthen your ankle and do all that kind of bandwork and all the different things to strengthen up around your foot, but like your Achilles, if it's going to go, it's going to go, I feel.

Speaker 1 Do calf strains lead to Achilles, or is this maybe something else that they were just maybe a really low calf strain that's like, you know, where it attaches, maybe.

Speaker 8 I don't know.

Speaker 8 I'm taking a calf strain like right in the ball of your calf, like right in the meat of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're talking about right up here in the plate. Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 didn't KD and Dameson both have calf strains before? Yes, they both did. Are these being missed?

Speaker 1 Could be. I'm not saying misdiagnosed.

Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe they were never calf strains and it was always Achilles, but I would say there's definitely a correlation.

Speaker 1 I've had a yeah, it sounds like there's a calf strain to Achilles correlation. I mean, obviously, we should get somebody smarter than us.
We should call Dr.

Speaker 1 David. David

Speaker 1 Chow? Chow. Oh, yeah.
We should call Dr. David Chow.
He's been all over it.

Speaker 1 He called out in Achilles

Speaker 1 two nights before, I believe. It was

Speaker 1 Achilles tendinitis. Yes, he did.
He said, this is more like Achilles tendinitis from the way before. Before game three, he said it.
Oh, yeah, that was a few days ago. Yeah, that was before.

Speaker 1 That's what he was saying. Now, is he right? We still don't know.
It's still being talked about as a cap strain, but it's like, I've had like a sore Achilles before.

Speaker 1 I think it was at like training camp.

Speaker 1 I thought maybe it was my cleats were a little bit too tight at that moment, so I got loose for cleats. I was like, no, it's actually the Achilles is a little bit sore.

Speaker 1 And I don't do a lot of running at all in my position. And every time I took a step, I'm like, oh, this thing's going to snap.

Speaker 1 This thing's going to snap. It is.
Yeah, it's scary. I had like a four-day period where I was like, my Achilles is about to snap.

Speaker 1 And then people are like, no, it's just something, some sort of strain on something. It wasn't Achilles who was close there.
That fear, which I assume Tyrese had to have.

Speaker 3 I think that's kind of what he was going, like the game that he kind of had a dud. I think he just wasn't.
And then he finally got to the point where he's like, fuck it, I can't play like that.

Speaker 3 Like, I have to just.

Speaker 1 I have to go blinders. Exactly.
I have to go blinders on here.

Speaker 1 And then mentally, that would be a lot, too.

Speaker 1 That's when Perk said he was playing scared at halftime. And I said it on the show, I think, the next day.

Speaker 1 Like, it wasn't necessarily like he was playing scared of the opponent, but just because whenever you're an athlete, you want to just be out there reacting and playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't want to be thinking about, okay, if I plant going left or plant going right, like you just got to react. It's a reactionary sport.

Speaker 1 So yeah, it's going to be some type of fear in that, some type of hesitation. But you got to think in game seven, I'm sure, like to Conman's point, like, all right, you know, it's time to roll.

Speaker 1 He knows his body. He's going through different things.
And you can't, like AJ said, it's hard to. prehab that shit.
If you have like a hammy or a quad or something, you can get some acupuncture.

Speaker 1 You can get some this and that. It'll kind of help, but that Achilles, just like, man, it's a mystery still.

Speaker 2 Well, and that's right to your question of like, have they figured out the Achilles or will they ever?

Speaker 2 I don't know if there's anything they'll ever figure out, but it does feel as though recovery has been better. Like ACL, you mentioned that that's kind of developed back in the day.

Speaker 2 If you got an ACL injury, you were done. Now it's, you know, kind of a standard rehab, and then you can get back to where we are.
I mean, we're seeing it with Stefan Diggs now.

Speaker 2 And then when it comes to Achilles, like Kevin Durant, he's about to sign a two-year, $121 million extension at the age of 37. And he had an Achilles, what, four years ago when he was in his 30s?

Speaker 2 So for Tyrese and Tatum, and, you know, Lillard, who knows, because he is a little older, but for Tyrese and Tatum, they're both in their 20s. I don't think there's any.

Speaker 1 The future is bright. Yeah.
But it might be delayed

Speaker 1 a little bit. No doubt.

Speaker 8 And the rehab and recovery like i i just the achilles is just thinking you're missing the next season like that's that's what's brutal like you think okay i rehab all offseason i you know once we get back with the boys in camp it'll be good but to think no like i'm i'm gonna be just early into my rehab when the next season even starts that's what's tough yeah that is very difficult mentally The vibes are a big deal.

Speaker 1 The vibes are a big deal. Who you're recovering with, who you're rehabilitating with, maybe him and Tatum will be around at the same time, which is good news.

Speaker 1 Anytime greats are around each other, it's obviously good, but that's a tough thing. We got to call into Dr.
David Chow.

Speaker 1 If he gets back to us, we will certainly get some more information.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're sending him a Zoom right now. So we're about to get some answers on that.
That's good news. Before we get five, what's that? Start at five is going to be crazy.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 With Netflix and this, yeah, because I assume they'll continue with him through the surgery. NGA, Halliburton.

Speaker 2 I mean, Tatum, too? I know. Jalen Brown and Jalen Brown had the knee injury.
He got surgery two days after the season ended.

Speaker 1 Man.

Speaker 1 I see a rehab process. They haven't.

Speaker 1 It's great for us as fans. KD.
But KD's on it? KD's on it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's KD, Jalen Brown, SGA, Halibur.

Speaker 1 All the trade talks are definitely going to be on there. I mean, all that.
Bingo.

Speaker 3 You would think, yeah, because it was still, they'll cover the finals and, you know, KD figuring out on stage that he's getting traded.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at Fanatics Fest. Yeah.
What a moment. Yeah.
It felt like everybody was there. Oh, yeah.
Everybody. Wasn't there everybody there? Did you know that?

Speaker 8 A lot of zany behavior at FanFest from what I've seen. Fanatics Fest.

Speaker 1 Sports gone, dude. Everybody's having it.
Sports gone. That's kind of how you're supposed to look at it.
I listened to Rubin talk about why he did it, how he did it.

Speaker 1 He's losing a lot of money on that. Fanatics is not making money off of that thing.
He talked about, yeah, this is just more of a celebration of sports.

Speaker 1 And hopefully people associate Fanatics with the celebration of sports because everybody was there. Everybody.
He's losing money? A lot. Moving merch.

Speaker 8 I mean, he got to pay those players to call those athletes to show up.

Speaker 1 I think they're losing a lot. He, I don't know.
A lot of talent, dude.

Speaker 1 Everybody. It's like, that is certainly an experience.
I mean, fucking everybody was there. I was looking at the, I was just opening my phone, Algo, Feeding Me Fanatics Fest.
And I was like, what?

Speaker 1 And then what? They got everybody. Last year he said he lost 15 million to it.
So I assume even more or

Speaker 1 maybe a little bit, even if he

Speaker 1 cuts out in 33%, I mean, it's $10 million loss. There was 50 more thousand people that showed up this year is what they said.

Speaker 1 Congrats. It looked like everybody was there.

Speaker 1 Congrats on a fun time. But yeah, KD finds out that he's getting traded whenever he's on stage chit-chatting about that.
That's a good moment.

Speaker 1 I wonder if KD knew beforehand. Definitely.
Because you heard Seams today say KD had a little bit more say than you know, because who he is. Okay, I'm not going there.
Yeah, he knew. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 We're going to trade you there. We're just trying to get the best offer.
Sweet. Can I talk to their GM? Yeah.
I'm not playing if I come there. Okay.
All right. Sounds good.

Speaker 1 How's that offer from that team? Not good anymore? I wonder why. All right.
Like, I'm not saying he did that, but technically, he could do that.

Speaker 2 The way he operates with the free agent house way back before Golden State, like you could assume he's doing that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We do not know if he's telling people, I'm not coming there, but we do know that in basketball, especially if you're Kevin Durant, like you can certainly say, that's a bad move for you guys.

Speaker 1 I don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 Complete control of the MBA. Yeah, Heat fans aren't happy.
Super. What? No, they're not happy.
Really? I mean, he was, you look at KD,

Speaker 1 what we would have there, you know, with Tyler Hearst. But they wouldn't offer up as much as he has to do.
That wouldn't trust

Speaker 1 Jamie Haquez, Jaime Haquez. They wouldn't trade him.
I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm still a big Rouse guy. I trust Rouse.
Okay, believe in Rouse. He says, no, I trust him.

Speaker 1 I believe in Rouse, and we will believe this man whenever he speaks about

Speaker 1 the Tyrese Halliburton injury news that we've received today via Sham Shirani, making it official. He has torn as Achilles.
This man was an NFL head team doctor for 17 years.

Speaker 1 He does live injury analysis with Sports Injury Central, which is score.com. They're also all over every social media platform.
Official injury expert on SiriusXM and Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 What you will see from this dude and his crew, I guess, of doctors and trainers and medical field people, they will watch film, slow it down, give their diagnosis from film.

Speaker 1 These are doctors doing this. So it's like, if we're doing this, we're assholes.
Doctors doing this, allowed to do that.

Speaker 1 And then almost immediately gives out a timetable on what could possibly happen. It is a weapon to follow along with, ladies and gentlemen.
Dr. David Chow.
Yeah, Doc.

Speaker 1 Doc, how you doing? Hell yeah.

Speaker 15 I'm doing great and thanks so much. And yeah, you're right about the team of people.
I'm actually in Atlanta at a perfect game baseball tournament, national 12-year World Series with my son.

Speaker 15 And our staff sent me the video last night of the NBA. And unfortunately, it was a very clear Achilles tendon rupture on the same side that he's been having issues with.
And so that's too bad.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk about that. I believe it was like three nights ago or two nights before the Achilles tear.

Speaker 1 We saw from your account, Pro Football, Doc, that you thought it was Achilles tendonitis from what you were seeing on the film. We have not had that confirmed.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's ever been stated by Tyrese or the team. But why do you say that whenever you watch it? And is that different than a calf strain or is that a continuation of a calf strain?

Speaker 1 How does this all kind of work together?

Speaker 15 They are all related. And thank you for pointing out that I have not examined Halliburton.
This is off of video and off of what we call insider knowledge about injuries, not insider information.

Speaker 15 So after game two, you remember he limped quite a bit coming off the podium. And before game three, he was seen with kinesiotape and different tape on his right leg.

Speaker 15 That's when we opined that it was likely Achilles tendinitis, which is microscopic injury tearing to the Achilles tendon. He played through and played well.

Speaker 15 And then obviously had the calf strain, which is somewhat related, all on the same side. We all remember Kevin Durant, right?

Speaker 15 2019, Golden State Warriors, calf slash, and we were saying Achilles tendonitis at the time, and he suffered the similar rupture in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 15 So it is related, but you know, I don't like how people, look, Halliburton, the Pacers knew what was going on. This is not a surprise to them.

Speaker 15 If we at Sports Enjoy Central can know this from afar after game two, that there is some risk of Achilles tendon rupture and injury. But this is the NBA Finals.
This is the Super Bowl.

Speaker 15 This was game seven. He'd been playing well leading up to this.
If there's a single digit chance of rupture, most athletes like yourself, A.J.

Speaker 15 Hawk, and Baxby are going to take the chance at Halliburton. He should be applauded for trying to play through.
It's just very disappointing that it happened.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Okay, final question for me as we are taking you away from a tournament.
So

Speaker 1 Achilles tendonitis does lead to Achilles tears.

Speaker 1 Like, for instance, Christian McCaffrey, we heard about Achilles tendonitis like four days before the season started, post everybody's fantasy draft, and they said he has Achilles tendinitis.

Speaker 1 We had never heard of that before. I don't think I did, at least.
I don't know about everybody else. Tendinitis, obviously, on the knees.
I think there's tendinitis in other places.

Speaker 1 Achilles tendinitis, what exactly does that mean? And is it automatically, if you don't get it figured out, an Achilles tear? You said single-digit percentage there.

Speaker 1 What is the science in stats saying behind Achilles tendinitis and Achilles tears happening?

Speaker 15 There is a, when you have Achilles tendinitis, that is some inflammation and injury to the tendon itself, which makes it potentially more vulnerable to tearing. If your normal chance is 0.01%,

Speaker 15 you might be 1% or 2% with Achilles tenninitis, right? And, you know, people gave McCaffrey and the 49ers grief for wresting and not playing him.

Speaker 15 I mean, those were regular season games, and you didn't want it to get worse, and you didn't want it to progress, and you didn't want it to tear. Whereas this is NBA Finals, and let's ride with it.

Speaker 15 The unfortunate thing thing is now that he's ruptured it and he's actually the third player in the NBA playoffs this year to rupture it.

Speaker 4 By the way, all number zeros, which incredible odds of that, right?

Speaker 15 But this means next year,

Speaker 15 really bad news. The bad news for the Pacers is not losing the NBA Finals.
They're going to miss Halliburton basically next year as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, heartbreaker. All right, we appreciate you, Doc.
Thank you for the information and being on top of it. Ladies and gentlemen, at Pro Football, Doc, worth a follow, Dr.
David Chowes. Yeah, Doc.

Speaker 1 all right so uh aj did you hear anything there um

Speaker 8 achilles tendonitis is bruising and inflammation of the achilles that sounds like a nightmare just mentally if that is what he's going through once again we don't know well especially now thinking now if you're in the future if you are an athlete and you have a little twinge in your achilles or whatever and it's it might be a little tendinitis in there if you get it scanned or whatever like what okay what can i do how long do i need to rest this like there's so many questions i would imagine athletes everywhere this is something that you have to find a way to stay on top of.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because Christian McCaffrey's back full speed this year for the San Francisco 49ers. So there has to be a way to calm it down, I guess.
Yeah, but there's no time to rest.

Speaker 2 Like, that was the entire thing last season, where it was like, hey, he might be out for a couple weeks. And then they, because all you can do is wait.
So then they wait a couple weeks.

Speaker 2 And then remember when he started to ramp back up, then he got it in both of his Achilles, Christian McCaffrey, and then they had to shut him back down. And then he went to Germany.

Speaker 2 So it doesn't feel like there's like a specific thing or timetable you can do. You're just kind of, you're just kind of screwed.

Speaker 1 Isn't the human body insane?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Isn't it cute? You don't have full-blown kneecaps until you're like 10 or 12.
Yeah, I mean, the kneecaps, I said, the patella is certainly one conversation, but how about this...

Speaker 1 You know, the Greek story is the Achilles. Right? You get dipped into invincibility or whatever, basically, and then the only thing exposed is Achilles, which becomes your Achilles heel.

Speaker 1 This man's Achilles' heel. Great movie.
Achilles? Yeah, Troy. So good.
Got another banger coming up.

Speaker 1 Who? Brad?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Are you watching it? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Open at night.

Speaker 1 You're going open at night.

Speaker 1 Duh. Brad Pitt.

Speaker 8 Hopefully Brad can make it exciting. Do you think Brad can make F1 exciting?

Speaker 1 I think Brad's actually making the reality show, right? Isn't Brad making the reality show? He's doing a movie on the reality show? No. No, no, he's a racer.
He's in the movie.

Speaker 1 The reality show, F1 Driving to Survive, was good. Yeah.
It was great. Much better than the racing.
The Brad Pitt movie, probably just going to be Brad Pitt reality TV. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 No, no, because since it's, you know, the movie world and everything, they're amping it up a little, and he will be passing people on the track, actually.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that is kind of movie magic. They're doing that separate than F1.

Speaker 1 Is he on green screen? Pass another car? No, no, he is

Speaker 1 there.

Speaker 2 That's real in the track.

Speaker 1 They put him in a two-cockpitter? Oh, yeah. No, I think he was driving.
He was driving. He was driving.
An F1 car? Yeah. Solo cockpit.
They're going a little solid.

Speaker 1 You know, BP was like, fuck these guys. And just

Speaker 1 right away, going like 250.

Speaker 1 You think you hate anything in there? Probably. He's an eater.
He's a

Speaker 3 shrimp cocktail, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 The story of Brad Pitt in like his character in the movie, from what I see, is awesome, because I think he's like a NASCAR legend, and then he's switching over to F1, so he's got that moxie.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm fucking, I just want to tell Mega, bitch.

Speaker 2 I can race a fucking. Is it got four wheels and a wheel? Yeah, I can race it then.

Speaker 1 Well, Tom Cruise and he were posing on the red carpet out there at Tom's week.

Speaker 1 Come on. Because Tom helped out with this movie, right?

Speaker 1 Same director as Tom Gunn.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but like, yeah, the way they like filmed it, I think, is very similar to how they filmed Top Gun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Buckheimer and people are going to get jacked up about F1. Joseph Kaczynski.
Oh, for sure. This will give F1 another bump.
And they said... So they watched the real deal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's going to give him more hate. Hey, we're in the middle of a great fucking season right now.
All right, boys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got the off-stream ready break coming up.

Speaker 1 Grove Street, Graham Street, Graham Street. It's a party.
It's a party.

Speaker 1 It's a party.

Speaker 1 Grove Street.

Speaker 1 F1 party. F1 party.
McLaren's dominating this year. What? Max is obviously in the mix.
George Russell is coming off a winning Mercedes. So it's not just one guy winning every race.

Speaker 1 Didn't Vanderstoppen's lead engineer go over to McLaren? He went to Aston Martin.

Speaker 1 And they stinks. Louie.
Ast Mart Stings, yes. But he's just getting there.
Even with Louie, they stinks. He's just getting there.

Speaker 1 Stuff to figure out.

Speaker 1 The F1 website is excited about the movie. Obviously, that's the lead photo right there.
Tom Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, everybody's excited about F1.

Speaker 1 Obviously, limited highlights because are those.

Speaker 8 Did F1 finance this whole movie, you think?

Speaker 2 It's Apple.

Speaker 1 Apple price.

Speaker 10 I mean, but who's the money behind it?

Speaker 8 I would imagine the people. It makes sense for F1 to push this.

Speaker 1 F1 has such

Speaker 1 a wide array. of people with so much money invested in F1.

Speaker 1 I think that's the most brilliant part of it all. And I'm not, you know,

Speaker 1 changing the world with this dick. I think a lot of people say this.
It's not just about the race. Well, of course not, because the race is horrendous usually.

Speaker 1 Everything else is a full spectacle of the bazillionaires of the world. Feels like that is what F1's kind of gimmick is.
Yeah. Like, hey, we have a Fanatics Fest everywhere.
Like.

Speaker 1 It's not a goofball fest. The engineering.
I never said it was a goofball. The racing is a part of it, but it's also part of the engineering the car.
What's your game plan?

Speaker 1 How do you execute the strategy? How do you work with a team? How do you prepare for the track? That's why it's the fucking pinnacle.

Speaker 1 And Liberty Media, the people who bought F1 right before the documentary came out, or right before the show came out, they just bought Moto GP, I believe. So

Speaker 1 Liberty Media, yeah, so I wouldn't be surprised if Moto GP gets a little.

Speaker 1 I want to try that one time because it looks like the worst thing that can happen is you're just spinning around on a leather suit,

Speaker 1 you know, at 150 miles an hour.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 you hit the wall. Yep.
Yeah, it's insane. Knee down on the side.

Speaker 1 We're leaning that thing. I've seen one of those races live, and I'm like,

Speaker 1 These dudes are crazy, bro. These dudes are fucking psychos.
Little Rockets. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wide open.

Speaker 1 That shit's crazy. Yeah, I respect the ability to race.
Here's the 2025 race results thus far for F1. Lando, Oscar, Oscar, Oscar, Oscar, Lando, Oscar.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Lando, Oscar, Oscar, Lando, Lando. No, it's not real.
Oscar, Lando, Max Vanderstoppen, Lando, George, Oscar,

Speaker 2 George Peterson, George Ross.

Speaker 1 Who's George Peterson? What about Leclerc?

Speaker 1 I think I know who George Peterson is. He's a ghost.
I don't know if Leclerc is. You know George Peterson.

Speaker 2 Watcher in the night, if you will.

Speaker 1 Is he dead?

Speaker 2 No, no. George is alive and well.

Speaker 1 Still bringing it. Is he well? The Fisher's Freight had a game winner.
Fisher's Freight located here in town, Indianapolis, suburb of Indianapolis, is Fishers.

Speaker 1 Fisher's is one of the greatest cities, I think, that I've ever seen. Oh, yeah.
I mean, right now with Fisher's, they have a top golf. They have every store you could imagine, a plaza, malls,

Speaker 1 hotels, apartments. Great.
I mean, Fisher's Indiana is a place that is awesome. Very lucky to live near Fisher's, Indiana, I will say personally.
Everybody talks about Carmel, Indiana. Also awesome.

Speaker 1 Let's not get crazy. But Fishers has really been doing it.
Fishers has built up huge. And the Fishers Freight are playing right in Bruce's parking lot up there.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you what, they're electrifying. Bruce, did you go to this game? Have you gone to a game? I know you're a seasoned ticket holder.

Speaker 21 I did not go to this game, but this is what it's all about, boys. There were three lead changes in the final 27 seconds of this game.

Speaker 21 Fisher's Freight's Vincent Espinoza. He was in a different arena league that actually folded and joined Fisher's Freight either this week or last week.

Speaker 21 So he's a new face in our QB room with the Hail Mary there to Gourney Sloan, I believe.

Speaker 1 Gorno. Gorno.

Speaker 1 Gorney.

Speaker 21 Wide receiver's name. This snaps a nine-game losing streak.

Speaker 1 Yeah, nine-game. Why do you need to get out to a game? Nine, nine.
They started. Two and nine.
They were two and oh. I thought this team was good.

Speaker 21 Yep, we added an injury to our backup quarterback, Shoemaker, and our starting quarterback left for the Mexican Football League.

Speaker 1 Okay, quick questions.

Speaker 1 The Mexican Football League needs to stop poaching our fucking players.

Speaker 1 How many games in a season? How many games in a season?

Speaker 21 We got to be coming up on it now, right?

Speaker 1 We're

Speaker 1 free.

Speaker 1 Hold on. We need to hop on.
Yeah, I think we got one or two more chances to get out. Packed up, bruce, without you.
These are your freighters.

Speaker 1 Look at this place. That's a lot of points.
Four more games. Four more.
That's not enough games, Tom. No, everybody.
Look at that poppaw.

Speaker 1 Look at the paw, pause. Look at the place.
Look at the place.

Speaker 1 Backed out. They're going crazy.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 1 July 19th, they got two more home games. July 19th against San Diego Strike Force.
And then obviously they end the game or the end of the season, July 24th with the Lawrence Army. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 Does everyone in the league make the playoffs?

Speaker 1 I hope so. Because the Fisher's Freight are getting ready at the right time.
Don't let them get hot.

Speaker 21 I believe so. I believe everyone gets into the shot.

Speaker 1 That's Mickey Man. Seeki?

Speaker 1 If it's an event, Seeki kills it. I know you do.

Speaker 1 Why don't you go shit Diner on the glass? That was a sell-out crowd. I'm not not sure if you saw it.
That's a sell-out crypto.

Speaker 2 You can just show up.

Speaker 1 You should do the coin toss.

Speaker 8 Bruce should do the coin toss at some point. They should ask him.

Speaker 1 Bruce hasn't been in the game for a while, it seems like. Yeah.

Speaker 21 I mean, I went to one of the three wins, so that's nice.

Speaker 1 You're a good luck.

Speaker 1 You sat through two losses. All right.

Speaker 1 If this goes in,

Speaker 1 Fisher's Frader never losing again. I love it.
Here we go. This is the most important one we've ever had.
Fisher's coming. Come on.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 They might lose another game, but when it matters, they'll win. They'll win the title.

Speaker 1 What's the Super Bowl called? Bang. Super Bowl.
Super Bowl? What's their Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 It's called Mega Spoon.

Speaker 1 Name. It's all just win.
It's a big spoon. It's not a bowl yet.
Cup could have gone with two. Ah.
Because Soup is a bowl or a cup.

Speaker 2 NBA Cup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it's the

Speaker 1 Football Super Duper Cup. IFL Championship.

Speaker 1 Because it's the indoor football league, of course.

Speaker 21 Out in beautiful Tucson, Arizona.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great thing in the world. This was the indoor football league.
Dude, you know how hard that Fisher's Freight parade would slap downtown? Fisher's? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 No, no, they're going downtown Indians. No, they'd be going to the

Speaker 1 Fishers.

Speaker 3 Right down 116.

Speaker 1 All the way down the highway. That place is awesome.
Yeah. You guys live up there, I know, so you are experiencing it.
That place's growth over the last like five, ten years. Yes.
Fishers is awesome.

Speaker 2 They take the parade on the highway from Fisher's all the way down to the monument for the speeches.

Speaker 1 If I know Fisher's people the way I know them,

Speaker 1 that parade is good enough right there in Bingo. Doesn't need to be going anywhere.
We ain't fucking going downtown. Turning not getting on the fucking highway.

Speaker 1 It's a long way down there, Pal.

Speaker 1 This is for the IFL Super Duper Cup.

Speaker 1 I don't think anybody's paying attention enough to what is on the line here. It's coming home.
This Fisher's freight team, if they were to win their inaugural season,

Speaker 1 the IFL Super Duper Cup, could you imagine what that would do for Fisher's Indiana? Maybe two to three more brunch places.

Speaker 2 Oh, they'd be the fucking golden knights of the league.

Speaker 1 Good luck, Bruce. This one's for you and all the Fisher freighters.

Speaker 21 Thank you. Come on, let's go, Freight, baby.

Speaker 1 Let's go, Freight. Come on, let's freak.
Let's go, freight. Let's go, freight.
Let's go, freight. Is that what they say? Yeah, probably.

Speaker 1 For the freight, let's win the fucking title.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if I'll super duper.

Speaker 1 Bonus ball, bonus ball, bonus ball.

Speaker 3 Meant to be written in the stars. Come on, come on, come on, come on.

Speaker 1 Come on now, freight.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 It's all right. There's always next year.
Took Pat Outway. Yep.

Speaker 2 The Freight will be okay.

Speaker 1 They won't.

Speaker 1 Fortunately. Come on, Frank.

Speaker 1 Frank gonna be all right.

Speaker 1 I'm getting

Speaker 1 worse. I thought you had that one.

Speaker 1 There it is, buddy. Go Frank.

Speaker 1 Oh, are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 I worry about the freights' future next year.

Speaker 1 That'll be next year.

Speaker 1 They're gonna have to have a big offseason. We need to go down to the Mexican League and start getting our players back.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 eight teams, but four for Mexican Football League.

Speaker 1 They're taking our players. The MFL? You've never heard of the MFL? They're taking our goddamn quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 What's that, Ton?

Speaker 2 Population of the Mexican Football League.

Speaker 1 And you looked at it. Bruce said it like it was all their players.

Speaker 1 The top four teams from each conference make the playoffs. There's seven teams in each conference.
Fuck. There's 14 teams.
So we weren't even going to make it. So that's why the ball wouldn't go.

Speaker 1 But some of them are like the Auckland soccer team.

Speaker 1 Did you see the Quad City Steamhouse? They're on the Steam House. They're actually the best team in the league.
Quad City Steamhouse? Quad City House.

Speaker 1 That was Barnstormers there. One and 10.
Jesus, what is going on? Okay, easy to see.

Speaker 2 Oh, what's the Florida team?

Speaker 1 What is that? Quad City.

Speaker 8 Green Bay Blizzard.

Speaker 8 That's who the Indy just beat was the Blizzard in that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the Arizona Rattlers have been around a long time. They've been really slithering their way at the bottom of this league.
They're looking to have quite a come up.

Speaker 1 The Nighthawks, we fucking get it.

Speaker 1 We know what the Nighthawks are about. How the Pirates are doing?

Speaker 2 They still in first? I think they took it home last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, too small of a state, they said.

Speaker 1 The Sharks, though, they're down there swimming with the minnows, aren't they?

Speaker 1 They sure are.

Speaker 10 What city is? Sugar Skulls?

Speaker 1 The Sharks? Top right. The Sharks are in

Speaker 1 Jacksonville, Bruce is saying. Jacksonville, yeah.

Speaker 1 San Antonio, who?

Speaker 1 And And then the Sugar Skulls. Good call there, AJ.
Who are the Sugar Skulls?

Speaker 1 Tucson.

Speaker 2 Yeah, to play for the Sugar Skulls, you got to do a very specific kind of sugar, I think.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 We're going to get out of here. We don't know if that's true.
We just learned to the team today. That could very much not be true.
Boogie shit. But that's changed.
Let's look at

Speaker 1 the highlights. Let's

Speaker 1 play it like a bunch of man-possessed out there. Let's get back.
The San Antonio Gunslingers, not that's a great name. Good name san antonio gunslingers san diego strike force

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 the helmets are good the pitball

Speaker 1 that's the easiest part better than the tulsa oilers good call yeah take the oilers from the nfl like that that was good negotiation by the ifl yeah big time you said we want the oilers because you guys aren't using it they sound jewel you'll take a percentage scroll up please quad city steam rollers not steam hasses let's change that

Speaker 3 to the steam house go down a little bit, can't you?

Speaker 1 The Quad City Steam Wheelers. Steam Wheelers.
See, it just doesn't hit the same as the Steam House.

Speaker 3 Maybe that's the stadium.

Speaker 1 Massachusetts Pirates still out of Marlboro?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they are down here in Marlborough. Actually, we got everybody's phone numbers out there.
All right, let's get out of here.

Speaker 1 Let's get out of here. That's their website, not ours.

Speaker 1 If we want to call, we can buy some tickets. Yep.
Go support your local IFL team. Hell yeah.
Go Pirates. More football is better football, of course.
That's right.

Speaker 1 The Fisher's Freight Electrifying finish is great news yeah it is that's what we're looking for this entire time amen they've only won three games in their inaugural season next year it's all right first season league will definitely still exist you see how many tickets fisher's freight sold all of them packed house

Speaker 1 is anybody else doing that iowa 24 barstormers uh if they're one in ten you know yikes but yeah i mean people would go to those games for sure fisher's freight folks i think just going to have a day against Pittsburgh Pirates.

Speaker 1 If they win, good. If not, we had a day out here.
Cheering on. Take your kids.
Absolutely. Have a good time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck it yeah maybe a little chase rice concert out in the field yeah yeah which happened to fishers yep did you hear that

Speaker 1 chase rice is doing a brunch concert basically for fishers this fisher city is the real deal they're they like real i've heard i hear great things about fishers honestly it actually is great

Speaker 1 fishers fright need to pick it up they do they're representing a great time

Speaker 1 all board

Speaker 8 Hey, why'd that, sorry, why'd that, why'd that soccer team, there's a soccer team played in Cincinnati, I don't know what they weren't from here.

Speaker 8 And the guys on the bench had to go watch the game from the locker room because it was a little too hot.

Speaker 1 87 degrees, they said. Yeah, 30 and a half degrees Celsius.
Let's not overheat here, boys. We're not used to seeing the sun.

Speaker 8 What about the guys on the field?

Speaker 1 Well, they're doing it for the team, for the country.

Speaker 5 It's also false reporting from Joe Pomp. It was only first.

Speaker 1 Joe Pomp was a little bit more. Oh, still.
He still did. Okay.
Pomp. Disrespect, Paul.

Speaker 1 So where he was wrong was just not saying first half of the match when he says Dortmund's bench watched today's first half of the match from the locker room because of the heat?

Speaker 5 That would have been spot on, not the full match.

Speaker 1 Don't you think just because of the heat is the problem that everybody's having, not that it was just a half a game?

Speaker 5 Solved. I think everyone else reported it as the first half because that's what it said on the Dortmund X account, but Joe Pop decided not to do that.

Speaker 1 We like the Dortmund team. We had a chance to meet the Dortmund team and the Dortmund people, but this does feel like it's a little ridiculous.
It's tough to take seriously.

Speaker 3 But I will say, I mean, we were all outside on Saturday. It was so fucking hot.

Speaker 1 If I was given the option to sit inside. Yeah.
Would have. I'm not playing right now.
Yeah, I'll go fucking sit in the air conditioning. Sure.
Do we have a TV in there?

Speaker 1 Do you need me out here for anything? No. No.
Okay, so I can just go sit inside?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Joe. John.

Speaker 5 Always played well. It was a good match.

Speaker 1 I think it was a good idea. It does look soft, though.
Very.

Speaker 1 You know, just because anytime you're doing something that is making your life easier and nobody else is doing it, people are going to automatically bury you for being soft.

Speaker 1 I assume Dortmund just thinks they're smarter than everybody. Did they win the game?

Speaker 5 Yeah, 4-3.

Speaker 1 That was quite a winner, too, right? Weren't you there?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was an unbelievable game. The Sundowns from South Africa came out hot, scored early, and then Dortmund kind of took over the game.

Speaker 1 I thought it was the Sundoners from Niagara Falls. It was.

Speaker 1 It was not. I even said that on your Instagram, and you said, yes, that's who it was.

Speaker 5 I said, real problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Sundonners. A lot of people grew up in that club up there in Niagara Falls.

Speaker 1 It was tough to get into as a teenager. Can imagine it.
Tough to get into. They were really strict on the ideas when you're 15, 16 years old getting into that place.

Speaker 1 But inevitably, you crack the code, you get in there, and you learn a lot about life up there at Niagara Falls. A couple of loonies and toonies, you can have a good blast.

Speaker 1 But this isn't the Sundowners, which I was confused about. This is the Sunday.

Speaker 5 Sundowns from South Africa.

Speaker 1 And all these teams are from their own leagues, these countries' leagues. Yep.
So Sundowns plays in the South African Soccer League, which we have certainly heard about before.

Speaker 5 I definitely haven't heard much of that league, but they put forth a good effort for sure.

Speaker 1 And then there was a Korean soccer league team that was playing out here as well against the South African Soccer League as well.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the Red Diamonds were going wild. Their fans were pretty electric.

Speaker 1 How do these teams get in here? This Auckland team is treating it like a TST team. How do these teams get into the Super Duper $100 million cup?

Speaker 5 I tell you what, it is interesting because Chelsea's in it and they won the Champions League like four years ago. So I don't know how they're in it.

Speaker 1 Well, and Lou Messi's in it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Inter Miami technically didn't qualify because they didn't win anything to get into the But there's a guy who's driving Uber and then playing goalie for the auckland team playing in the super duper cup yeah it's a classic fifa operation it feels like so is this just a trial for the world cup you think they're masking it as a super tournament but really it's just a hundred million dollars we're going to give away to try to see if we can host a world cup here i believe so and they want to run it back in america in 2029 as well and give a real tournament here yeah same deal when we get this figured out by 2029 we'll run this thing back yeah let's go because i saw like what 60 000 people at one of the games and i saw 6d people yeah at one of the games yeah there was no one at that Dortmund game I was at, but that Cincinnati Stadium is beautiful.

Speaker 1 We kind of told you everybody's going to be here, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, you get to see Jude Bellingham's younger brother. It was the first game he started for Dortmund.
Jeff Bellingham. Job Bellingham.

Speaker 1 He's one of the close.

Speaker 5 He's an unbelievable young player.

Speaker 1 Job. He took a shot.
I was

Speaker 1 playing by Tony the whole time.

Speaker 5 Scored a goal and got man of the match.

Speaker 5 Jonah. Job.

Speaker 1 Job. Job.
Oh, Job. Oh, Job.
Oh, Job.

Speaker 1 Jobin. Strong in.
That is a good name. Good luck, Job.

Speaker 1 All right, if this goes in, Job,

Speaker 1 Job's going to win a Super Duper Cup. Okay.

Speaker 8 When does Super Duper Cup end? Like, when does this round?

Speaker 1 Job isn't a name tonight.

Speaker 5 July 14th.

Speaker 1 Job's definitely.

Speaker 1 Isn't it in the Bible? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Knockout rounds start this weekend.

Speaker 1 Knockout runes? Yeah. Who's in it? Is Lou in it?

Speaker 5 Andrew Miami plays tonight. They'll probably need a point to get to the next round.
We'll see what happens with the other teams play.

Speaker 1 Better give it to them. They'll win.
Why?

Speaker 1 With

Speaker 8 Because the only one people are trying to watch. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 All right, if this goes in, Lou Messi's team's going to get a point tonight. They're going.
Yeah, they're going.

Speaker 1 For Lou! Money. Oh.

Speaker 1 This is for Lou. For Lou!

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 seems like that Messi-led Inter Miami team's kind of bumming everybody out there.

Speaker 1 Gotta be Blue Messi.

Speaker 1 Get a chance to see Panthers parade? I saw the boys having a good time down there. It was hot down there, too.
I'm glad we weren't soft. We still showed up.
Did you go?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I stopped through on my way to the airport. Oh, really? You saluted the boys? I had to flight to Kitch, so salute the people.

Speaker 1 You told me? Cesar. Here's the view of the parade from the U.S.
Coast Guard flying overhead down there in South Beach. Obviously, everybody's going to question the fanhood until they see that.

Speaker 1 Wow. Fort Lauderdale Beach.
Looks like it's spring break down there with just Panthers fans. Lordo bouncing around group to group and the U.S.

Speaker 1 Coast Guard flying overhead saying, have yourself a day, lads. Have yourself a day down there.
Um, shout out to the Florida Panthers fans showing up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the boys have been on quite the run on social media, obviously, down there, you know, 11, Fort Lauderdale, elbow room. Happy for the boys, man.

Speaker 1 Hope we can keep the squad together as much as possible. Uh, that looks amazing, yeah.
That looks like a great time. True, hot today.

Speaker 1 There's a chance we were asked if we wanted to go to that after seeing the uh drone cameras here. Feels like we missed out on

Speaker 1 quite having one of them. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there won't be the last one.
Congrats to the Florida Panthers. Oh, there's the

Speaker 1 that's where Buzzy watching from this W balcony.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Spot. Good for Florida.
Congratulations. Hockey Beach.
All right, let's get the hell out of here. We appreciate you all for allowing us to do this for a living.
Hope you had a great weekend.

Speaker 1 Excited for that hat to be every day? Are you wearing it every day?

Speaker 1 We'll see.

Speaker 3 I mean, this is kind of the thing. This is a special occasions hat.

Speaker 3 You don't just bust out the yard goat's hat every single day.

Speaker 1 This is a booster. If they win? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Yes. If they win.
Dallas. Yeah, then, yeah.
If I will have this stitched into my hair.

Speaker 1 The hat?

Speaker 1 Yes. And so I'll never be able to take it off.

Speaker 3 That's how much I fucking love the GOATs.

Speaker 1 Bubba's on that team.

Speaker 3 Bubba's on that team. Fucking Matt Wolf is on that team.

Speaker 1 Kepka's brother. Peter.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Peter is on that team.

Speaker 3 I'm having a tough time remembering because you know, listen, we've had a couple guys fighting with relegation.

Speaker 1 Oh, come and go.

Speaker 14 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 1 I'm hearing Bubba's talking with Scotty Scheffler right now. What? Really? Recruiter? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, Peter, you want, okay. Ben Campbell.

Speaker 1 You talk about Ben Campbell?

Speaker 1 Ben Campbell's an absolute. That's the whole team.

Speaker 1 Oh, so we had three quarters of the team. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I told you. I kind of nailed it.

Speaker 8 Can a team get relegated?

Speaker 1 Yes, I do believe there is. So we're up against it.

Speaker 1 Nick Yard does start.

Speaker 1 I don't think the teams can be relegated. Just to put really golfer.
Yeah, so that's kind of what helps some of the captains in the bigger names not be relegated.

Speaker 1 So, like, you know, Brooks has his own team. Bryson, Rahm,

Speaker 1 Bubba, Phil, you know, they all have their own team. So even when they're for three years, Sergio Garcia.

Speaker 1 Sergio. Harrigille has his own team.
Lee Westcoil. Who's that? Fireballs.

Speaker 1 Fireballs.

Speaker 1 Cam Smith has his own own team. Who's the guy from that has this Poulter? See, Damien Poulter.
Ooh.

Speaker 2 I thought he had a team.

Speaker 1 He should. Poulter.
I'd watch Poulter's team. He might be on the yard goats, too, though.
We don't know. He's a huge name.
He probably has.

Speaker 2 I think he has a team.

Speaker 1 He was early. How many fucking teams are? Marco Neiman.

Speaker 2 I thought there were like 12 teams.

Speaker 1 Can we look up the standings of the teams currently in Live? I would like to see kind of where the yard goats are amongst the rest of the goats in the yard.

Speaker 1 The Crushers Golf Club, which is led by D. Shambro, is obviously up there in first place.

Speaker 1 Then you got the four aces with DJ's team in second. Smash GC, which sounds very similar to Crushers.
I saw this. This is Brooks Kepka's team.
They're in third.

Speaker 1 Torque golf club. They got a lot of torque.
A lot of Torque. They're also Torquois, which is nice.
That's walking.

Speaker 1 Yep. Range goats.

Speaker 3 All right. Don't look now.

Speaker 1 Fifth place. Boom.
And then

Speaker 1 Legion 13.

Speaker 1 I didn't know Louis User. Yeah, this was just the last Vegas.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's the last of February.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was going to say.

Speaker 1 Fifth place. We're not bad at all.
Goats roll. Goats are at ninth in the season, State.
Out of. Out of.

Speaker 1 12. 13.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, so. Not bad.

Speaker 3 The GOATs are ascending right now. And we just need a little bit better play from some of the guys out there.

Speaker 1 We'll be all right. All right, I'll tell you once this goes in.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 1 Range goats.

Speaker 14 Goats going to win the title.

Speaker 2 Be in Ustahusen's team.

Speaker 1 This is going in. It's for the goats.
Okay. Go Goats.
If I make this, you got to wear that hat. How many days straight?

Speaker 2 Two weeks. These next two weeks.

Speaker 1 Done.

Speaker 1 Make it. Oh.

Speaker 1 Here we go. So bad.
That was close game, so we're going to bump down to a week now. No, no.

Speaker 1 Be careful. You wear a hat for too long.
You're going to have to wear it the whole rest of your career.

Speaker 1 Good point. That's cowboy tight.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 That hat looks good on you, though. Thank you.
Appreciate it. I prefer the straw over the felt.
It's hard to travel with all those though.

Speaker 1 Here's for the yard goat. Actually, this is Crushers GC Smashers.
Do we have

Speaker 2 Crushers or Smashers?

Speaker 1 This is for the Crushers.

Speaker 1 That's DeShambo's team. The Crushers.
Gonna win it all if this goes in. It's a good name.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh!

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 Well, looks like the yard goats ain't got it. DeShambeau's team's going to take it all this year for the super duper live title.
Congratulations to them. Happy to the universe.

Speaker 1 And Golf God spoke to us that way. All right.
Better fight, Bubba. We're back here tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Monday Night Raw is on tonight. I will not be commentating.

Speaker 1 Continuing to just like kind of catch up on life as a whole. You know, post money in the bank, pre

Speaker 1 night of champions. Feels like a good time.
I was getting pretty exhausted there. So shout out to everybody to WW looking out for me, too.
Very, very thankful.

Speaker 1 But tonight, Raw on Netflix in Columbus, Ohio. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 should be a big one. All right, we appreciate the hell out of all.
You be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life.
We're going to sing together. Team on me, team on three.

Speaker 1 One, two, three.

Speaker 1 Goodbye.