PMS 2.0 1364 - Juneteenth Thursday LIVE from Gainbridge Fieldhouse with Udonis Haslem, Shams Charania, Coach Calipari, Quentin Richardson

Speaker 1 The 2024-2025 NBA season was awesome. What a wild, heart-pounding, jaw-dropping ride this season has been.

Speaker 1 79 years of this league, and somehow it still finds ways to shock us all, to thrill us all, to break our hearts, and lift our spirits all at once.

Speaker 1 Let me take you back. Paint a picture a little bit of what a year has been and what will echo through barbershops and group chats for decades.

Speaker 1 Picture this, Oklahoma City, a team that's been building, simmering, explodes into something historic.

Speaker 1 SGA, smooth as silk, cold as ice, carves up the league, snatches the MVP, and leads the Thunder to a season that flirts with immortality. A plus 12.6 point differential, folks.

Speaker 1 That's knocking on the door of the 72 Lakers. They won 29 and one against the East.
14 losses in total. A wrecking ball in sneakers.
Jalen Williams, Chet Holmgren, they're not just a supporting cast.

Speaker 1 No, no, they're co-stars. And now they're in the finals, locked in a 3-2 dogfight with the Indiana Pacers.
Tyrese Halliburton, kid's a maestro.

Speaker 1 Conducting an offense that's pure fire, but he's limping right now. Calf's a little tight.
And game six is tonight here in Indiana. It's anyone's guess.

Speaker 1 This series, this moment, it's the pulse of the whole damn season. But let's rewind.
This wasn't just OKC's story. This wasn't just the Indiana Pacers' story.

Speaker 1 The league was a chessboard, pieces flying everywhere. The Lakers pull off the heist of the century, snagging Lucha Donkick,

Speaker 1 Lucha Donchik,

Speaker 1 Luca Donchik. Easy for you to say, to pair with LeBron James.
LeBron, by the way, makes history. First player ever to hoop as a teenager and in his 40s in the NBA.

Speaker 1 And he passed Jordan for the most 30-point games ever. He's now sitting at 571 30-point games.
Absolute legend. And had the LeBron Versation this year.

Speaker 1 But the Lakers, they were just sold for a record-breaking $10 billion. And they also crashed out in the first round of the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Proof that even super teams can't always gel.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, the Knicks traded for Carl Anthony Towns, St. Julius Randall packing.
Kevin Durant's name's been swirling around everywhere. Spurs, heat, rockets circling like sharks.

Speaker 1 The trade deadline felt like a soap opera. Every tweet from Shams mostly, a plot twist.
And the coaches, oh, yeah, they took a beating. Sacramento fired Mike Brown.

Speaker 1 He was a coach of the year candidate during the middle of the season. Memphis booted Taylor Jenkins.

Speaker 1 Denver, the Denver Nuggets, who just won the title a couple years back, cuts ties with Michael Malone after a decade about eight days before the NBA playoffs.

Speaker 1 The Knicks sent Tibbs packing, and their coaching search is still a mess. It was like the league decided to hit a full reset button on half of its sidelines.
Stats for this season, wild.

Speaker 1 Three-pointers were up, shots were made at a record-breaking pace. Victor Wembina is blocking shots like he's swatting flies, setting a whole new standard of efficiency on the defensive end.

Speaker 1 And off the court, drama everywhere. Yannish trade whispers.
TNT's inside the NBA packing up and heading to ESPN. It's the dawn of a new era.
And here we are,

Speaker 1 June 19th, 2025. Juneteenth, 2025, game six looming this evening.
Oklahoma City, one win away from a title. Indy, one rally from forcing a game seven.
This season's been a masterpiece.

Speaker 1 Trades, firings, milestones, miracles. It's reminded us why we love this league.
Because it's so damn unpredictable. Because it's so damn human.
Because it's ours.

Speaker 1 Whoever hoists the trophy tonight, one thing's certain: they will be the champion of a season that'll never be forgotten.

Speaker 1 Hey!

Speaker 1 Let's go!

Speaker 1 This show sticks. And the fact that you listen, we are very, very thankful for it.
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You pick!

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Speaker 1 Hello, beautiful people and welcome to Feel the Painbridge, Game Bridge Fieldhouse, host of tonight's NBA Finals, Game 6 on this Juneteenth. This program begins now.

Speaker 1 Finals!

Speaker 1 Our halving right here in this building, we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for the living. The fact that we are here is insane.

Speaker 1 The last time we were in the building of an NBA Finals, we felt like the world was upside down. We felt like there was no reason for us to be here.

Speaker 1 And then the Pacers would go on to lose to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Then it would go back to Oklahoma City and the Pacers would lose yet again.
And tonight, we're staring down a title game.

Speaker 1 We're staring down a potential Larry O presence. We're staring down a potential Oklahoma City Thunder championship happening right here in Indianapolis.
All the Pacers have to do is give it a go.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Halliburton's game time decision. All the other boys don't want their season to end.
We can force a game seven tonight here in Indiana.

Speaker 1 And the Pacers have already put out a tweet letting Pacers fans know that we need to hear you from beginning to end. We need this place to be loud.
We need this place to be daunting.

Speaker 1 We need this place to be tough. And whenever we win tonight, game seven in Oklahoma City, we shall see how the cards fall.
But with that being said, this Oklahoma City team is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 Why'd you start with that cold open? Well, the Oklahoma City team was actually doing their shootaround here in this arena, and we were not allowed in the bowl until they were done.

Speaker 1 At about 11.47, we said, well, we're going to need about four or five minutes to go ahead and regain this entire thing. Incredible work by Foxy in the back.

Speaker 1 Incredible work by D-Bone and Bruce and everybody in the truck for making that happen. And also incredible work by the NBA on having a hell of a season thus far.
And tonight, it shall roll on.

Speaker 1 We're incredibly thankful to be here. We're pumped to be here.
There's a lot going on in sports. We'll talk about it all.
Sean Shirania will join us in about 10 minutes or so.

Speaker 1 We'll chit-chat with him about what's going on around the NBA and what's going on with Tyrese Hylaburton.

Speaker 1 Coach Calapari of Arkansas now, formerly of Kentucky, will certainly be joining us to chit-chat about what Arkansas baseball team was able to accomplish until last night. Also, what SGA is doing.

Speaker 1 Obviously a big part of the conversation of this entire NBA season. Cow has a lot to say and we can't wait for his breakdown on what the NBA Finals game six should look like tonight.

Speaker 1 And then in the second hour, well at front of the show, Q Rich joining us. And it's not just those guys.
Obviously, I got an incredible group of dudes here.

Speaker 1 The Toxic Tables here at Ty Schmidt and at Boston Connor. Boys, how you doing? The shark, the Jaws feel.
Is that because the Pacers are banner?

Speaker 1 Banner.

Speaker 1 Banner. Banner.
Coming back.

Speaker 1 Banner.

Speaker 1 Are you saying that's Oklahoma City coming in here to Indiana?

Speaker 2 I mean, initially yesterday I said, hey, look, this thing's over.

Speaker 2 I'm not doing this whole song and dance about how I have faith in the Pacers winning a basketball game, especially when Tyrese Hall burns her. But then last night, we have this massive storm.

Speaker 2 And I believe you still don't have power.

Speaker 1 Still don't have power. Yeah, I've been living an Amish lifestyle for the last like 17 hours or so.
Me and Jebediah tilling the land.

Speaker 1 Now, I did have my phone, which is certainly nice, but I found myself staring at the sky, staring at the lake, running around outside, fixed my flagpole a little bit, had no power, and everything in the house obviously operates by power these days.

Speaker 1 We're still without power, so I mean, certainly a big storm came through last night that we didn't know was coming from. No, not at all.
Kind of turning. But the storm is last night, not tonight.

Speaker 2 No, it was last night, not tonight. And that's because that was kind of the calm before the storm, before the storm, if you will.

Speaker 1 I viewed it as.

Speaker 2 And I saw a video of a Pacers flag flying in the wind with Free Bird playing behind it. And now all of a sudden, I'm I'm all the way back.

Speaker 1 70 mile-an-hour wins, this Pacers flag go ahead and flapping in the sky. It's incredible.
We believe is the message, Ty Schmidt. I need you to get on board with that a little bit more.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, I am on board.

Speaker 3 I am on board fully, but you know, I was just trying not to go in with too much blind optimism. But, hey, guess what? It's do or die.
We'll see what these boys got.

Speaker 3 They've kind of had their backs against the wall all season. Nobody's believed in them time and time again.
What's one more? You know, what's one more when no one thinks you can win, when

Speaker 3 Larry O's in the building, you know, hey, we don't know what's going to happen with Tyrees, but if there's ever a night where every other player on the Pacers needs to have a career game, tonight's the night.

Speaker 3 I think a lot of guys on the Pacers team are going to be thinking about having one tonight, and rightfully so.

Speaker 1 And I think they definitely need to. They need to have one.
If we want to continue and extend this to a seven-game series talks to the table, I'd like to wish you guys a happy Juneteenth.

Speaker 1 Also, happy Juneteenth to one half of the hammer. Dying, cowboy.
Nailed it. Nailed it.
That was good. Nailed it.

Speaker 1 Baby.

Speaker 1 That's 28 days.

Speaker 1 Three-time champion.

Speaker 1 happy juneteenth happy

Speaker 1 happy champion happy juneteenth and i would like to let you know i wish the talks at table which are two caucasian men down there happy juneteenth as well i wasn't just wasn't just wishing you a happy junethnic i'd like to wish everybody happy juneteenth a uh day that i think a lot of us learned about probably within the last five to ten years but certainly a historic day in our country's history uh certainly worthy of being something known by all but one half of the hammer

Speaker 1 Cowboys nailed it.

Speaker 1 What are the odds saying for tonight? Because I believe the Pacers yet again are six and a half point dogs dogs at home.

Speaker 1 And the last time they were six and a half point dogs at home, it was the biggest underdog in the history of the finals for a home team. Yep, exact same thing.

Speaker 1 That was last Friday night when you guys were thinking about having one and did have one. We did have one.

Speaker 1 Oh man. The Pacers were having one for about three and a half quarters before the Thunder decided to lock it down in the fourth quarter.
I believe the Pacers only scored 17 in that fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 A couple free throws late and the Thunder covered that one. That was the first game that the Thunder covered on the road this entire playoffs.
So here we are sitting again back at six and a half.

Speaker 1 This actually opened at four and a half.

Speaker 1 And then there was a two-point move when the news about Tyrese came about and his injury, whatever it is. When that news came out, it jumped to six and a half.
So we're sitting right there again.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter tonight, though. You guys talked about the storm last night.
I'm not sure if you noticed. There was a lot of wind and a lot of rain and a lot of lightning, but it was a quiet storm.

Speaker 1 There wasn't a lot of thunder at all. No, no thunder.
Super confusing to me.

Speaker 1 And then I

Speaker 1 saw what shirts they're putting out tonight. That is good news.

Speaker 1 It's not no, sir.

Speaker 2 It's yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 1 Shams actually sent me a text yesterday and was like, hey, are we running this back tomorrow? Are you guys going to be live from the arena? And I responded with, yes, sir, S-I-R.

Speaker 1 And I immediately, sorry, sorry, I got no power. I'm kind of out of the room.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir. We would love to have you.
Speaking of loving to have you, not in your NFL vet dairy state ball the receiver. Great to see you.
Debuss, great to see you.

Speaker 1 You weren't in the building the last time we were here doing this show.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the finals atmosphere has been electrifying here in Indianapolis, but it does feel like there are certain parts and contingencies of Indianapolis that feel like what Oklahoma City has become in this series is what Oklahoma City has been all season long.

Speaker 1 I read it in the open there. They were a plus 12.6 point differential team, 14 losses all season.
Number one seed in the entire NBA for good reason.

Speaker 1 They've been pouring it on a little bit here to Indiana, and obviously that could continue this evening to the chagrin of all of us. Yeah, very

Speaker 1 Thunder's been very dominant both ends of the courts, much like our championship for the Panthers.

Speaker 1 I had a few last night, so I'm glad I made it in here this morning. But

Speaker 1 I'm feeling like the boys, man.

Speaker 1 I'm on that yes, surge train. I think they figured it out.
I think Tyrese comes out and gives his team a spark. I'm not sure how healthy he'll be, but he's going to give them everything they got.

Speaker 1 And the rest of the guys are going to show up. The guys, the others, as Shaq likes to call them, will show up at home and force this game seven.
But I'm excited to be in the building right now.

Speaker 1 And I know this shit is going to be rocking later on tonight. And 20-year vet, we already introduced him, but, you know, why not another time? Three-time champ, two-time Stanley Cup champion, I guess.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Ugonis has him.

Speaker 1 What'd you say? 79 years, NBA? Yeah, 79.

Speaker 1 20 of them thing? Yeah, quarter of the NBA. That's crazy.
A quarter of the NBA's existence, this man played in it.

Speaker 1 And the stat about LeBron being the only player to play as a teenager and in his 40s in the NBA is absurd. So obviously, there's been some pillars of this league.

Speaker 1 And certainly the boys at the Pacers, young team. They're trying to become a pillar.

Speaker 1 Oklahoma City, people are talking about them maybe starting a dynasty here in this entirety because of how young they are and what they got cooking.

Speaker 1 UD, how do you see tonight going and what have you seen from this Oklahoma City team the last two games that maybe should make us Pacers fans a little bit worried? Well, for me, I'm starting to see

Speaker 1 Oklahoma City start to impose their will. I'm starting to see those turnovers starting to turn into points on the other end.
I'm starting to see them make adjustments defensively.

Speaker 1 The first couple games, they were a little uncharacteristic as far as their defense. A lot of mistakes, a lot of different things that you just don't see from a top defensive team.

Speaker 1 So I think they're starting to impose their will. But for me, I'm still on the SR train.
I I ain't going to. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm just still on. You said seven.
Yeah, I said seven, and I'm still saying seven. I'm still saying yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Listen, this team has thrived in this role all year, being the underdogs, having the chip stacked against them. So this is nothing new.

Speaker 1 It'd be different if you had a team who had been given everything and now you get into the role where you have to fight with your back against the wall. This is where they thrive.
This is their norm.

Speaker 1 Like, this is when they're their best version. So I'm not worried about this team at all.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Hellenberg, we don't know what he was going to bring, but they've had the power of the Brotherhood all season. So the best time now is for that to show.

Speaker 1 The Brotherhood's going to need to show, especially if Tyrese is going to continue to be embattled, we'll say.

Speaker 1 Obviously, his calf, his ankle has been bothering him the last few games, and I think that goes back a little bit more. So tonight is a game time decision.
And let's say he plays.

Speaker 1 We expect Tyrese to play great. If he doesn't play, there's a lot of guys on that team who have the capability of going off.
I know we've mentioned TJ McConnell.

Speaker 1 TJ McConnell could potentially take over this entire game. He's done that numerous times.
Nemhard, Nismick, Pascal, Miles Turner.

Speaker 1 We're waiting on Miles to have a big one here in the finals, which we think can happen. The depth of the Pacers gives me hope, even if Tyrese can't possibly play.

Speaker 1 But without Tyrese, it's a completely different team. Coach Carlisle said they're preparing for him, and without him, we will see if the Oklahoma City team is probably doing the exact same.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and Benedict Matherin, happy birthday.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 I've screwed up his name so many times. It's his birthday.
We have a birthday game all of a sudden in the arena.

Speaker 2 I think that's a huge deal. UG, you can probably speak more to that if it's someone's birthday.

Speaker 1 I assume everyone's signed up. I had a lot of them.
Happy birthday.

Speaker 2 Let's get this guy the ball. If you're on OKC, though, and you hear Tyrese say something like, if this was a regular season game, I probably wouldn't be playing, but it's the finals, it's different.

Speaker 2 Are you just attacking Tyrese the whole time?

Speaker 1 Like, is that the adjustment to make?

Speaker 1 I mean, you're already attacking him on defense anyway. He's already a guy who you're trying to put in as many actions as possible.
I saw that early in game three.

Speaker 1 I thought they should have stayed with that because the first couple buckets, whether it was a pick and roll, whether it was a slip screen, he was in the action.

Speaker 1 So he is going to be in every single action tonight on the defensive end. My question is: okay, he starts the game.

Speaker 1 What happens when you come out and sit on the bench and then have to go back in when that calf cools down and you've been playing at that fast pace all the time? Then you try to get back in the game.

Speaker 1 That's my question. So, he's got to be prepared to be put in a lot of actions.
But I tell you one thing, guys, I got hurt in the finals too. Broke my finger.

Speaker 1 So, what? Yeah. Like, this is the finals.
Like, this is the finals. So, Tyrese is going to go out there.
He's going to play.

Speaker 1 He's going to give it his best version, but there's no way he misses this game. And if you're OKC, you're on on the other side, ain't no way in hell you think Tyrese Harleburt is missing this game.

Speaker 1 So, coach,

Speaker 1 do not prepare for him not to be in this game. Don't waste your time with that preparation.
He's gonna be in this game. He said if he can walk, he'll play in the game.

Speaker 1 And uh, I mentioned the Indiana Pacers sending out a message to the fan base beforehand. This is how it reads as we prepare for Sean Shirania's

Speaker 1 arrival, and I cannot wait to hear what he is talking about today. The Pacers asked their fan base, hey, one more time, Indiana.
This is it. The final home game of the season.

Speaker 1 One last chance to fight, to believe. Gainbridge Fieldhouse has been electric all year, but this time we'll be louder, wilder, more relentless than ever.

Speaker 1 We bring the chaos from the opening tip to the final buzzer because tonight we leave it all out there. So get on your feet, wave those towels, be dominant, be deafening, and above all, believe.

Speaker 1 We're not done. Not yet.
Not tonight. You've been with us every step of the way.
Now be the difference one more time. Tonight, we fight to see another day.
Let them hear us, Indiana, all game long.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 As we are joined by Shams Sharon, you know.

Speaker 1 Shams, we were just chit-chatting about Tyrese Halliburton and what he's going through. UD said he's got hurt in the finals.
It was his finger.

Speaker 1 There's been a lot of people that have obviously battled through injuries. Taff ankle seems to be pretty serious for Tyrese.
He said if he can walk, he'll play. They labeled it a game-time decision.

Speaker 1 What are you hearing, Shams, at this exact moment? And what is the expectation for Tyrese Halliburton tonight and the Pacers?

Speaker 4 Pat, Tyrese Halliburton, from my understanding, he has every intention of playing tonight.

Speaker 4 And unless the medical team sees him, so the Pacers have a walkthrough this afternoon, so approximately around 5 p.m.

Speaker 4 Eastern Time, they're hopeful to know definitively whether Tyrese Halliburton should be able to play or not, unless there's some kind of a setback there, if he shows some signs where the medical team has to come in and step in and say, listen, we can't throw you out there, but he's fully intending to be out there tonight.

Speaker 4 He's going to gut it out.

Speaker 4 I would expect him to have some padding on that calf. But listen, it's a calf strain.
UD knows a lot about calf strains, and so he's definitely got to be careful. But as long as he can get out there,

Speaker 4 I would expect Tyrese Halliburton to try to play tonight.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's great news. I love hearing that.
And obviously, we have a deep team. We have a great team.
Tyrese, for a good reason, Olympic gold medalist, leader of the team.

Speaker 1 Pascal Siakam, also NBA All-Star and stud for our team. We got a lot of those, but Tyree's playing.
The straw that stirs the drink is good news, so I'm happy to hear that.

Speaker 1 Now, around the NBA, I hear we potentially have some breaking news.

Speaker 4 We do have news. So I was standing on the side, I was making phone calls.
You know, I'm getting ready to come on PMS. We're working.
I do have news. I do have news.
Okay.

Speaker 4 This is in the Western Conference.

Speaker 4 Houston Rockets head coach, Ime Udoka, has reached agreement on a long-term contract extension with the franchise. It makes Udoka one of the highest paid coaches in the NBA right now.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, Eme.

Speaker 4 This is an eight-figure deal annually, I'm told. And you think about Tillman and Patrick Vertida, Rockets ownership, their general manager, Rafael Stone.

Speaker 4 They went out and hired Eme Udoka in 2023 when we know he got suspended from the Celtics. They ended up parting ways, essentially.
And they scooped him up fast. They got him.

Speaker 4 He obviously is a championship Calbrook coach already. Showed it in Boston.
And there's a stat I saw. In his two seasons there, 93 wins in Houston.

Speaker 4 The three years prior to that, they had just 59 wins. So they've won 52 games this year.
The number two seed, playoffs for the first time since 2020.

Speaker 4 And this is a team clearly on the rise with some good young players.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. And obviously, their names being listed for some trade destinations for some potential superstar players.

Speaker 4 Which one is that, Kevin?

Speaker 1 No, I'm going to have to say it. Okay.
It sounds like you're saying it, Sean. You're the one yanking us around.
I was going to finish about Ime Yudoka. He never

Speaker 1 been questioned about how good of a coach he is, right? No, never.

Speaker 1 Never.

Speaker 2 Even in Boston, it was...

Speaker 1 Oh, he's such a good coach, though. That's all everybody kept saying when everything went down.
Finals. Yeah, we're going to the finals for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 And when the Knicks call and ask if he's available, does that help for his leverage, or is this already kind of in the works?

Speaker 4 This has been in the works for a really long time. This is ever since the Rockets season ended in that first round of the playoffs.

Speaker 4 They've been working on this extension, negotiating this extension out. And

Speaker 4 this type of coach, they wanted to make sure they view Eme Yudoka as a coach for the next decade, the next maybe a decade and a half.

Speaker 4 That's the type of run that they want Ime Udoka and Rafael Stone there to have.

Speaker 1 UD, how many great young coaches? I don't know if Eme is considered a young coach, but for me, he's like the next generation of coaches. How many of these guys stick and how many guys end up stinking?

Speaker 1 Does that make sense? Like, it feels like there's a good hit rate at the coaching position. Like, I think if you were to ask Utah, they'd be pumped about Hardy.
I think they gave him a new deal.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Carlisle's old dog, but it seems like these younger coaches that get in, I mean, Missoula is like 25 years old.

Speaker 1 They seemingly have a pretty high hit rate. Is that accurate or no? Yeah, I think so.
And I think the way this works in his situation is him being a young coach, having a young team.

Speaker 1 So he speaks that language. He's relatable to those guys.
They follow his leadership. And he understands.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you, when we used to be in those series against Boston, and I've mentioned this before, when I looked down to the huddle, It was Emei Adoka leading that charge.

Speaker 1 It wasn't Tatum. It wasn't Brown.
It wasn't Smart. It was him leading that charge.
He was the leader of that group. He was the leader of that team.

Speaker 1 So you take a young team like this and 15 guys embody his personality. 15 guys embody what he's all about.
Now you got something to work with. Okay, let's talk about something to work with.
KD there.

Speaker 1 Now, I think there are some people that have some KD fatigue at this point. Not us.
I'm a big Kevin Durant fan, and it also gives us something to talk about. No, sure.

Speaker 1 It gives us something to talk about. We are a

Speaker 1 talk show, sports talk show, and two and a half, three hours every single day. So if Kevin Durant trade rumors are are going to happen, would love to continue to talk about Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 With that being said, it feels like there's been a couple different

Speaker 1 narratives of this conversation. I think last week you said it could end soon.
Then, there were some people that say they could reach into this week. Now, we're into this week.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on the KD trade stuff? And are the Rockets is that the next move after they handle Emay?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, Pat, the longer this drags out, the more we're going to be talking about it. Kevin Durant's one of the best players in the league still today.

Speaker 1 He's going to go down as, what, top 15, top 20, 40, 90 of all time, top 10 player of all time.

Speaker 4 So, and his stats i mean this is what he's doing even at this age is remarkable so he deserves that um yeah i mean there was definitely a feeling last week but at the end of the day the sons know if they're going to trade kevin durant they clearly have a price threshold they want met and i had one team tell me today it's kind of a game of chicken at this point from the rockets to the heat to the Minnesota Timberwolves, it's literally one or two pieces away, either which way that can get a deal done.

Speaker 4 But at the end of the day, one of these teams has to meet that threshold to get something done. The NBA NBA draft is about a week away, so could this go into the NBA draft? For sure.

Speaker 4 But I don't think the Suns want it to. I don't think the other teams want it to.
You want to get those deals done.

Speaker 4 So my understanding is they're in active conversations with those three teams specifically on trying to get a deal done for Kevin Durant, having their price threshold met.

Speaker 4 I would also not be surprised if this has three four-team deal scenarios too. This is also something that could branch into much more.
This is being a one-for-one trade.

Speaker 1 Okay, the NBA, whenever there's like four teams involved so that everybody can get the price right, it's wild.

Speaker 1 I don't know how the deal makers get it done. Good luck to all parties.
There's obviously so many different parts to get a deal done, especially at this level.

Speaker 1 Now, I think I read a quote of yours on the first take lower third yesterday that said Phoenix is going to take the best deal, even if it isn't one of Kevin Durant's desired destinations or something like that.

Speaker 1 Where'd you say that? And is that accurate? Are the Phoenix Suns looking for the best deal right now for Kevin Durant, regardless?

Speaker 4 No doubt. In their mind, they are.
But it's a two-way street, right?

Speaker 4 So Kevin Durant's got one year, about 54 million plus left on his deal that gives him an amount of leverage because a team that wants him potentially one wants a guy like kevin durant to want to be there to have the understanding of listen we can potentially extend you uh once you arrive or in a period of moments so Those are all parts of the equation.

Speaker 4 So of course, if there's a team that steps up, doesn't want the commitment, the Suns would love to do a deal like that if that type of deal is out there where it supersedes a deal with his three preferred teams.

Speaker 4 So when I reported the three preferred destinations, San Antonio, Houston, and Miami, I also said

Speaker 4 the Suns are going to make the best decision for themselves, even if it's outside of that list. But

Speaker 4 the Rockets are on that list, and the Heat are on that list, and they are involved in this, on these final stages.

Speaker 1 You want to do any tampering? No, sir. I just want to be there if he makes it.
Well,

Speaker 1 I just want to be there when he makes it.

Speaker 1 If he makes it, I'll pick him up if he makes it.

Speaker 4 From your perspective, I'll put it on you. From your perspective,

Speaker 4 take your team hat off. What would you do if you're Kevin Durant right now?

Speaker 1 Well, I can't take my team hat off.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to get it. I'm trying to get a hat.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take my team. I'm going to take a picture of the wife.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 go somewhere where I can possibly win a championship. Obviously, this is the goal.

Speaker 1 I know there's a lot of talk about what ring culture really is and what's important, but I think you go somewhere where you could possibly win a championship. So that's my conversation.

Speaker 1 Miami, like I said, it can work, man. But, you know, there's other opportunities that can work.
I just sat here and told you how great of a coach Amy Adoka is. I look at those young young pieces.

Speaker 1 That's an opportunity to go over there. They already have a culture that's being built.
Miami has a culture that's being built. So, like I said, Kevin Durant is a guy who loves to hoop.

Speaker 1 50, 40, 90, 50% from the field, 40% from three, 90% from the free throw line. That's buckets.
Okay, I'm happy you said that because you said 50, 40, 90 earlier, and I was like, yeah.

Speaker 1 I was wondering if you guys know what that means.

Speaker 1 I was like, 50 points, 40 shits.

Speaker 1 90 referrals.

Speaker 1 He's efficient as hell, is basically what I'm saying. He's efficient as hell.
Go ahead, Debuss.

Speaker 1 Jobs, you kind of broke the internet last night again with what's going on with the Lakers and the sale, the majority stake sale with Genie Bus, making that sale to Mark Walters and that group.

Speaker 1 I saw you put the valuation out at 10 billion. 10 billion.
That's one of those breakdowns.

Speaker 1 How this is going to look and how much, I guess, ownership does the bus family retain.

Speaker 4 So right now, the bus family will have about 17%,

Speaker 4 just over 15% of the minority share for a period of time.

Speaker 4 I'm not quite sure, but usually with deals like this, there's provisions in it where the majority owner, in this case, Mark Walter, will eventually potentially buy that out.

Speaker 4 So we'll see when we get the fine print exactly what that looks like, DB.

Speaker 4 Genie Buss will stay on as the governor for a period of time after this sale. But listen, someone like Mark Walter, you buy this team for $10 billion.

Speaker 1 $10 billion. Every time you say that shit, everybody else is a bad person.

Speaker 1 That feels like a damn side. Every time you say $10 billion,

Speaker 1 I'm going to say this, and I know it's like the the highest value sale, whatever, that whole conversation. The Los Angeles Lakers, like in my eyes, brand, name,

Speaker 1 everything. Los Angeles is obviously going to be more expensive regardless of how the city is viewed from everywhere else

Speaker 1 outside looking in. It's like 10 billion, that feels right.
But for me, you know, you had Luca over there too. You have LeBron there.

Speaker 1 Obviously, crypto just signed a big-time deal, even though they're not a company anymore. Like, it feels like the Lakers.

Speaker 4 Yeah, young coach, it feels like the lakers brand was going to be expensive regardless at 10 billion you get luca and then months later you sell the team for 10 billion i don't know what the correlation was there but genie bus my understanding yeah we were all talking about my understanding is genie bus uh really drove the sale in terms of you know getting this arrangement in place bringing it to her siblings she's got five other siblings so her and five other siblings they kind of vote and figure out is this exactly where we want to go and so they had the majority of the siblings voted voted to go through with this deal.

Speaker 4 It wasn't unanimous, though, from my understanding. Okay.
So there was at least one member of that sibling family, six siblings that voted no, but

Speaker 4 the majority vote was there. They make the sale.

Speaker 1 Everyone's been asking me why.

Speaker 5 Why?

Speaker 4 Like, why? 10 billion reasons.

Speaker 1 A lot of money. Like, at the end of the day,

Speaker 4 if the Lakers are going to sell this team UD, like, they're going to do it when it's this much. Yeah, it's.
$10 billion.

Speaker 1 If you get a billion-dollar valuation in your small business, normally you're going going to at least sell a part of it.

Speaker 1 No doubt about it. That might be a little bit of a teaser

Speaker 1 for the offseason here.

Speaker 4 Up to something season.

Speaker 1 Well, if you get a billion-dollar valuation, it is a,

Speaker 1 it's why the NFL, when the NFL allowed owners to sell a 10% to groups or investment or competitors. Well, you're trying to break some news, Pat.
No, I'm not. I'm not personally.

Speaker 1 Maybe you're in a little bit. There's certainly some snooping around going on by a lot of people with a lot of money.
And I'll certainly be open to those conversations.

Speaker 1 But whenever the NFL allowed allowed 10% to be sold to these funds, these mega billion dollar funds, it was like, hey, cash, like you can get 10% worth of your team right now in cash.

Speaker 1 You should do that. So whenever all these teams, I assume, the NBA teams, I assume the NFL teams, NHL teams, I assume there's a lot of mega-rich people.

Speaker 1 I think I saw a stat and it was from Wealth's Instagram. So I don't know if it's true or not.
It was like one in every 22 people in New York or something like that is a millionaire worth like

Speaker 1 making hundreds of thousands of people.

Speaker 1 That's probably right. I think it's something like one in 222 people in 2020.

Speaker 1 Like the amount of money some people have right now in sports franchises are becoming like the, hey, not only is there cash caps. It's the it thing.
Yeah, it's like everybody is trying to get into it.

Speaker 1 So if you're a bus family and you're LA sitting on the Lakers, I couldn't even imagine the amount of funds and money that was trying to get in there for a long time.

Speaker 1 As soon as it cracks over 10 billion, at some point, you just got to be like, we bought this thing for what, 40 million or something like that, Dad? Yeah. Dad bought this thing for 40-some million.

Speaker 1 We can sell this for $10 billion or $67 billion. Look at that.
$67.50. $75.

Speaker 1 Are we saying $10.1 billion? Because I assume there's been offers at $8 billion. I assume there's been $8.5, $9, $9.5.
That thing gets a 10, 10.1. It's like,

Speaker 1 when do we... You got the Lakers and the Celtics in the last few years that have been sold like 90 days apart.
Yeah, that's insane.

Speaker 1 Like two of the most iconic franchises in the NBA in sports, two of them, especially American sports, that's wild.

Speaker 3 Well, when we hear all the time, like these family-run businesses, like where it's been in the family for so long, they maybe don't want to sell because it means so much like this Walter like he gets it he owns the Dodgers we've seen what he's been willing to do the Dodgers have won you know 11 of the last 12 you know divisions at the NL West like he's won multiple World Series he's going out and he just gave Shohei Otani 700 million dollars like this guy wants to win he knows how to run one of these organizations so if you're one of the buses it's like okay well at least we're not gonna sell the team and we're gonna see everything that our dad and our family built up for all these these years just go right into the shitter.

Speaker 3 That's not going to happen. Like, this guy knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I appreciate the

Speaker 1 like Josh Harris had it, right? Josh Harris had some other stuff, then he moved into it. It's like you get in with a smaller percentage, learn how the game is operated, then you go.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's been there since 2021. And the biggest thing there is, he got right of first refusal when it comes to the overall sale.

Speaker 4 So, he had the inside track the whole time when he got the whatever, 26% of the team in 2021. And that gave him every edge.

Speaker 4 And quietly, him genie bus people around genie bus to be able to negotiate this deal to 10 billion dollars again that's an astronomical figure i i also would would have to say one thing uh for the aggregators pat actually broke news uh with the news breaker here he said i'm open so let's what's that I don't know, you said I'm open.

Speaker 1 I own 100% of my business. You definitely said that.
I'm open.

Speaker 1 I caught that.

Speaker 1 Aggregate that, everyone.

Speaker 4 And I was here for it.

Speaker 1 Now, the aggregators

Speaker 1 say Pat McBee thinks he owns his business.

Speaker 1 He wants to bury me somehow and that whole thing. But I'm just telling you how it is.
As a man that owns 100% of my business, if somebody was to show up and say $10.1 billion

Speaker 1 valuation.

Speaker 1 And I'm still the governor.

Speaker 1 And I'm still the governor.

Speaker 1 The bus family can still negotiate. Yeah, still have a percentage of the team,

Speaker 1 you can still benefit from all the shit of being an owner while getting the cash out.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not saying the Lakers are ever going to go down. I'm not going to say that.
But at $10.1 billion, the buy low sell high thing if you're viewing it as a business that is a pretty high

Speaker 1 sale

Speaker 1 that is uh that is not a bad decision now with that being said uh always open for business i think people say i'm a good deal maker if you're a good deal maker and uh would certainly love to have that valuation certainly love to have that go ahead how real is that though the the still being a governor still controlling because we we saw that with mark cuban too once he sold and they said he would be doing that and i think he came out like phased out yeah i don't do so how how real is that in this situation Well, I think with this situation, it's a little bit different just because of the relationship that we see here between Genie Buss and Mark Walter.

Speaker 4 I mean, clearly the way that they negotiated this deal, this was set up, it was written,

Speaker 4 if it's not written in the contract, it's pretty blatant.

Speaker 4 It seems like both sides are on the same page. And when I checked in with people around Mark Walter, it's the same thing.
Like, this is positioned for Genie Buss right now.

Speaker 4 But again, how long does it go, right? Like, at the end of the day, when you're buying a team for $10 billion, I don't know how long you're going to be sitting on the sidelines 100% for.

Speaker 4 This is the reality.

Speaker 1 That's something I'm hearing from the business.

Speaker 1 Especially if you're a business person, you probably assume, like, hey, I'm good at business. I might be able to be good at operating an NBA team too, and I just paid $10 billion valuation for it.

Speaker 1 And we've tried to do the math. I think you probably maybe gave an answer here, and I wasn't paying attention enough because I was talking to the bad because my TV keeps going out.

Speaker 1 So I apologize for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 1 neither here nor there. Do we know the exact percentage he has? Is it like 70% of the company? Do we know the exact percentage?

Speaker 4 my understanding? He's buying over either at or over 50%

Speaker 1 initially. Because he was already at like what, 20%?

Speaker 1 He was at 26%.

Speaker 4 So if they're keeping 17%, I think AEG has a has some percentage as well.

Speaker 4 And then he's coming in. He's buying about 50%.

Speaker 1 So 5.1, if we want to say majority. So he had 5.1 billion bucks he has in this thing.

Speaker 4 If Genie's doing a great job, I'm going to assume as well, another note, like whenever the bus family eventually sells their 17%, you know, it's going to be probably to Mark Walter.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that is just, they still are owners, minority owners. He's now the majority owner.
You're the governor.

Speaker 1 Unless I don't like you being the governor anymore, I owe $5.1 billion in this entire thing. Okay, we'll see you later.
Congrats to the Bus family. Incredible business.

Speaker 4 $67.5 million to $10 billion.

Speaker 1 Incredible brand build, too.

Speaker 1 And watching that Showtime

Speaker 1 show

Speaker 1 that everybody said was bullshit with how the characters were, I think it still told a good story about building a brand and how Buss liked doing that and what he thought the show was supposed to be and what the NBA could be.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it's a beautiful story of a family business and a family going all in on a brand. And

Speaker 1 I love that type of stuff. And if you're going to, I mean, how long do you want to be a governor of a team, too?

Speaker 1 If you got $5.1 billion to your family over the last couple of years, I don't know either. You know, how much you've signed up for?

Speaker 4 What's the payout? Does anyone get at math? What's that payout for each sibling? So if there's six siblings.

Speaker 1 Well, how much is it equal? Equally distributed? She's the governor, so I'd assume she potentially has a little bit. I mean, there is so many conversations to all that shit.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think it's like how much should it have yet. I think it might be 300, 400, 500 million liquid, potentially.

Speaker 1 Oh, terrible deal. That sucks.

Speaker 1 What it's good for the buses. Good for the buses.

Speaker 1 We obviously all hope to do that for our kids someday. Go ahead, Con Man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Sean, let me just first say, your hair, phenomenal.

Speaker 1 It is just, it's perfect. Hey, good fade.
I'll take it. I'll take it.
I'll take it. Good fade as well.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 I've been dragging.

Speaker 4 We've been on this finals grind.

Speaker 1 You've been on the KD beat? I've been having it. Yeah, you look like Sean.
I've been getting beat up.

Speaker 1 I'm getting beat up. Yeah, people have been beating your ass.
But it looks good. It looks good.
I appreciate it, beat Peter. It's the final.
Yeah, it's about time.

Speaker 4 It's the finals. You know, I'm not going to lie.
I said this last time. UD inspired me.
So I got to give all the credit. You know, I'm a good teammate.
I'm willing to pass the credit.

Speaker 4 UD's setting a high bar right now when it comes to fashion.

Speaker 1 It's like 20 years in the NBA. He's got to say that.

Speaker 1 Ring fashion as well.

Speaker 1 I'm like you. I'm trying to get in the conversation.
Show the ring, UD. Show the ring.
I'm hoping to have those conversations.

Speaker 1 That's the address of part. I can't just say that shit.
I got to look like I'm ready to have it. I'm ready to have them conversations.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get it right there.

Speaker 1 Big ring culture.

Speaker 1 Just in case you need somebody to govern her or own.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do a little bit of both. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 But last time you were on the show, you did say something that maybe you didn't mean to say or kind of slipped out. You said the Spurs,

Speaker 2 you know, with KD, of course,

Speaker 2 they might be looking at a different superstar.

Speaker 1 Timeline.

Speaker 2 Timeline. Yeah, they might be on a different timeline.
The internet, especially the Spurs fans, kind of took that and ran with it. What the hell is Sean's talking about here?

Speaker 2 Let's say KD goes to Houston. What is the Surface? Or Miami.
Or Miami.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Probably not Miami.

Speaker 4 KD was going to get up and just.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got a question out, but I got a question.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but what is their timeline, if you will? If KD's off the table in the Spurs mind, what is kind of...

Speaker 1 And when's the draft next week?

Speaker 1 Next Wednesday, Thursday. Next Wednesday, Thursday.
Especially with that number two pick.

Speaker 2 Like, if they're going to make a move, they kind of need to do that before the draft around.

Speaker 4 Number two, I don't see going anywhere. I think the Spurs feel really good about number two.
I think Dylan Harper, he's already been, I'm told, to the Spurs facilities, met them in San Antonio.

Speaker 1 Congrats, Dylan. Number two overall pick in the NBA.

Speaker 4 But, you know, you never know with the draft, but that's what it looks right now. But for the Spurs, Victor Womanyama, Dear and Fox, both in their 20s, in the prime of their career.

Speaker 4 My feel right now is that the Spurs, they have interest in Kevin Durant.

Speaker 4 They have talked to the Suns, to my understanding, about Kevin Durant, but there's a certain price threshold they'll go to for a guy like Kevin Durant.

Speaker 4 And if that price doesn't align with Phoenix's, then clearly there's just not going to be a deal. And if the Spurs are going to fully go all in,

Speaker 4 they've done such a good job there. Their general manager, Brian Wright, RC Buford, their CEO, they've stockpiled all their picks.
They got Darren Fox in a trade.

Speaker 4 They've got Stefan Castle, the reigning rookie of the year. They've got Victor Wemanyama.
They've got different players that have value like Keldon Johnson, Harrison Barnes, Devin Vessell.

Speaker 4 Those are the types of guys where, if you're going to go all in, you know,

Speaker 4 if there's a player that hits the market, we don't know yet which player could hit the market. These things could all be fluid.

Speaker 4 Luca Dotches got traded knowing, you know, we didn't know about it until it happened.

Speaker 1 So they're way.

Speaker 2 Even we didn't know about it.

Speaker 4 I didn't know about it until five minutes before. I'm not going to lie to you.

Speaker 1 And then everybody else didn't know until six minutes before.

Speaker 1 Six minutes after. So we're hanging in the pocket there, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just kept giving a great take with a lot of names, very important stats and facts about what the future is for some people.

Speaker 1 And then they wanted to test you a little bit. That's adversity.
Yeah, yeah. That's adversity.

Speaker 4 We get through it. That's journalism.

Speaker 1 We get through it, Sean. We get through it.
We get through it.

Speaker 4 You know what?

Speaker 4 We've been through the heat.

Speaker 1 Yes, we certainly have. Been through the heat.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 1 There it is.

Speaker 1 You got it.

Speaker 4 I'm just a corny guy, you did.

Speaker 1 You're a bunny son of a bitch. I'm a corny guy.

Speaker 1 That's fair.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 4 of course, if a Yonathan Todd Cumpo hits the market, right? And if there's an interest level there,

Speaker 4 but

Speaker 4 what they're looking at is someone that hits their timeline potentially that if you are going to go all in for, we feel really good about it. It's going to be a five, six, seven, eight-year window.

Speaker 4 Listen, they're on Kevin Durant's preferred list. Kevin Durant would like to play in San Antonio potentially like he would in Houston, like he would in Miami.

Speaker 4 So, you know, could the Spurs come back for sure? But as of right now, everything I understand, they're not the most aggressive team in this.

Speaker 4 I think the focus over the last several days, the last week, has been Houston, Miami, and Minnesota.

Speaker 1 Ty,

Speaker 1 my bad.

Speaker 2 Sorry, Giannis was the only other superstar you would say?

Speaker 1 He wants to know about the Celtics. That's the only name you think about.
Just about this. That's the name you think about.

Speaker 1 There's a few teams. Jaw Stan and 901, bro.
We'll see.

Speaker 4 I mean, I know what you're trying to get. You're trying to get Jalen Brown, Derek White.
Listen,

Speaker 4 I'm sure teams are throwing crazy offers for guys like Jalen Brown and Derek White, but it'll take a pretty insurmountable package to get those guys out of Boston.

Speaker 1 Ty has a lot. Go ahead, UD.
I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 I want to see. This is the opportunity with unfortunate incident to Tatum.
This is the opportunity for us to see Boston to see everybody to see if Jalen Brown can lead your team.

Speaker 1 We saw what he was able to do in the Eastern Conference Finals last year, well, two years ago. We saw what he was able to do against Luca, setting the tone defensively, offensively as well.

Speaker 1 But now there's always this back and forth about 1A, 1B. Now we have the opportunity.
And I do believe

Speaker 1 Jalen Brown can do that. But give him the chance.
Don't trade him now. This is his chance to show that he can lead the Boston Celtics.
Boston Conner actually thinks we're punting on this year.

Speaker 1 What are we doing? Let's go ahead and figure out what the future is.

Speaker 4 I will say this. How the Celtics are operating in this space right now is that they're looking at next year as a retooling year.
What?

Speaker 1 That's what Connor thinks, too. Me and Brad Stevens, man.
We guys just get balls. We just know Paul.
Great coach.

Speaker 1 But that doesn't mean that.

Speaker 1 Just because the organization looks at it like that doesn't mean the players and the guys in that locker room.

Speaker 4 That doesn't mean you don't want to stay competitive. That doesn't mean you don't want to continue.
But listen, realistically, without Jason Tatum, it's going to be tough.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying they win a championship, but you see that he has the leadership qualities and he can be the guy.

Speaker 1 There's no way to win without Jason Tatum, but he still has a chance to lead that team and be a good team. Last question here from Ty Schmidt for Yeshams.

Speaker 3 Speaking of the NBA draft, there's been a lot of stuff coming out about Ace Bailey, who a lot of people think is going to be the number three overall pick, top five for sure.

Speaker 3 He went to Rutgers with Harper. They didn't make the NCAA tournament.
They actually kind of stunk, which is kind of crazy. A lot of people are saying he might be a shitbird, but

Speaker 3 he's basically refusing to go work out for certain teams. I'm not saying it.

Speaker 1 That's what a lot of people are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 What is that whole situation like, and how uncommon is this for the NBA?

Speaker 3 Because we hear about this in the NFL a lot with players, you know, most recently with Caleb Williams basically saying, hey, I'm not going to Chicago, but more often than not, that's BS, and guys do go where they're drafted.

Speaker 3 What is going on with Ace Bailey? Could this tank where he goes in the draft, or is he still seen as now he's a bona fide top three, top five guy?

Speaker 4 It's hard for me to sit here and say that his stock is going to completely tank, that, hey, he's going to fall dramatically. Because for all we know, there might be a promise in place for him.

Speaker 4 Clearly, it might not be Philadelphia at three. So, yeah, he was supposed to go into Philadelphia today,

Speaker 4 visit with them all day today and tomorrow.

Speaker 4 And Friday, he had a full-on session for him. He was supposed to be in Philadelphia.
I'm looking at the information I have.

Speaker 4 The 19th and the 20th, he was supposed to be be in Philly they had all of his flight arrangements set they had dinner for him set they had breakfast for him set they had

Speaker 4 a workout session for him set they had everything arranged for him and he he essentially bailed two days prior to the visit yesterday he canceled from my understanding and so the sixers don't quite know what to make of it i think people around the league don't really know what to make of it to my knowledge he hasn't gone in and visited with the team so yeah it is it is unheard of to an extent for a player.

Speaker 4 He's the only U.S.-based player not to go visit a team. And we're, what are we, six days away from the NBA draft? So, yeah, it is uncommon.
But I don't want to throw shade quite yet.

Speaker 4 There might be a method to the madness for him. But this is a player that I think between three and eight, I could see him going.

Speaker 1 You said it may be a promise in place. How often does that happen in NBA drafts? And who's guiding all this? Who's his rep? Is it Rich Paul? We know Rich.
We know Rich runs the league.

Speaker 4 His representative,

Speaker 4 he's with someone, Omar Cooper

Speaker 4 is his agent of record.

Speaker 4 And Omar Cooper is the father of Sharif Cooper, who actually played in college, played a little bit in the NBA with the Atlanta Hawks, played in the G League.

Speaker 4 And, you know, that's who's been dealing with NBA teams and guiding this process. And so

Speaker 1 promises are pretty typical.

Speaker 4 Now, a lot of the times they're hidden. They're kept under under quiet.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you hear whispers about it-secret pinky promise, but you don't know until draft night.

Speaker 4 All right, the promise was actually a promise because you also hear whispers: hey, this guy's got a promise here, but then it doesn't happen, right? So, yeah, but it is common.

Speaker 4 I don't want to say it happens like a dozen times every draft year, but there's always at least two to four, you know, every draft year.

Speaker 4 I'm sure UD knows about some promises.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you're talking about, Sean's.

Speaker 1 The question was for you, not me.

Speaker 1 Cowboys. I'm trying to test test your loyalty right now.
Cowboys told me.

Speaker 1 They were going to draft me. They lied.
I assume teams in the NBA have lied. Oh, they lied to you.
I had that. Yeah, I had that.
Yeah, I had a team tell me they were going to draft me.

Speaker 1 Who told you that? Seattle Super Sonics. I never forget.
That's why they sent a team.

Speaker 1 Nate McMillan, and I love Nate. Nate, the OG.
Nate McMillan was coaching the Seattle Super Sonics. He told me, he's like, if you're available for our pick in the second round, we're taking you.

Speaker 1 And I was there every time.

Speaker 1 Oh, I never forgot it.

Speaker 1 I was like, I never forget that kind of shit. Oh, no.
He went to the complete opposite side of the country. Yeah, yeah.
I never watched Trader Side. And they took Reggie Evans.

Speaker 1 Reggie Evans, my dog, another Florida boy, so we never reached, y'all. You know what I'm saying? But they told me to my face, looked me in my eyes, and told me they were going to drive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that happens a lot, I think. Yeah.
So hopefully, Mr. Cooper and

Speaker 1 old buddy down there

Speaker 1 have a solid problem.

Speaker 4 Maybe there's a method to the madness.

Speaker 1 Only time will tell. I will hope so.
I will hope. Only time.
If you're a young fellow with talent coming into this league, you don't want to start off with negative energy with other teams.

Speaker 1 You don't know if

Speaker 1 teams are perplexed.

Speaker 4 They don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you can't. Yeah, because you don't know if five years from now, this is a team that might want to give you two, $300 million.

Speaker 1 You don't know. That's true.
You know, just keep your face clean, young fella. That's all.
Keep your face clean out here. OGUD with a little bit of advice, and Sham Shirani with the info.

Speaker 1 We appreciate the hell out of you. You look incredibly clean today, ladies and gentlemen.
It's Finals Game Six, and that's Sham Shirani. And baby, Shams.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you, Sean. As we pivot away from NBA Insider, let's head to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was better. Yep, got it.
Oh, you wanted to try to do the Memphis

Speaker 1 Hotel Lady? Uh-huh.

Speaker 4 Doors is the one I saw, the one from like 2020.

Speaker 1 Me and the hotel lady. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was great. Yeah, it was great.
She was really good. I think I took somebody else's sound.

Speaker 1 Oh, we have no sound. We need sound on that.

Speaker 1 I got you. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 1 I got you.

Speaker 1 That's me in Memphis having a good time taking somebody else's room reservation. As you heard it there, I got you, Justin.
She said, that's a white name. Let me give it to this guy.

Speaker 1 And that was not my room reservation, but I definitely took it. But that was one of the cleanest dams in history.
A lot of chat about Memphis. We had great times down in Memphis.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Great times. We had great times down in Memphis.

Speaker 1 I love Memphis. Now,

Speaker 1 joining us now is a college basketball coaching legend.

Speaker 1 Great. Great Memphis.
Great times in Memphis. Yeah, great times.

Speaker 1 Western Pennsylvania legend. Paison

Speaker 1 Supreme.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, the Arkansas men's basketball coach, national champion, Hall of Famer, Coach Kylapari.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir. How you doing, Paison? And

Speaker 7 remind them that the Nets fired me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Please tell everybody that. Yeah, I was actually looking at the Wikipedia.
I saw the Nets thing. I saw the Sixers assistant.
And then I saw the overall record. Then I saw the college record.

Speaker 1 Feels like you were more suited for the college game, but you certainly know the NBA game. A lot of your guys obviously go on to take over the NBA.
Let's talk about SGA.

Speaker 1 When he was playing college ball, did you know he was about to become an MVP? Did you know he's about to put an entire state and a city on his back whenever you were watching him and when you met him?

Speaker 7 Well, let me just say this. I've coached two MVPs, Derek Rose

Speaker 7 and Shea.

Speaker 7 Both had the same DNA.

Speaker 7 Unbelievable teammates.

Speaker 7 So Shea won't do an interview unless his teammates are around. Derek wouldn't take a picture unless his teammates were around.

Speaker 7 You'll never hear a player that played with them ever say a bad word because they're great teammates.

Speaker 7 They were both wired and driven, one by trying to prove himself I'm better than you think, the other trying to live up to what he was. Different players.

Speaker 7 Derek with speed would kill you and his quick bounce and floaters and Shay more of a

Speaker 7 pace game that just goes and gets buckets but plays a good floor game too. But it's amazing

Speaker 7 Shea did not start for me for

Speaker 7 eight games, nine games. And when I called him in and said, you need to be starting and he said, I'm good, coach.
I trust you. Just tells you about what he is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he bought Rolexes for the whole team whenever he won the MVP. They've seen so many of those moments and he's just a bucket getter.
I mean, an insane bucket getter.

Speaker 1 Now, it feels like this Oklahoma City team has a college-like vibe whenever you watch it, from the fan base to the way it's coached to the way they play. Do you agree with that sentiment?

Speaker 1 And do you think there's more of that happening in the NBA now?

Speaker 7 Well, the NBA goes through cycles of what works and they change, but I was in Oklahoma City for game three,

Speaker 7 or maybe it was game two, whichever game it was, it's a college environment.

Speaker 7 And then the way they play,

Speaker 7 you talk about come at you so many ways, Caruso. Look, the game I was there, Williams had three points.
Three, never said a word, and gets 40 in the last game because of how they play.

Speaker 7 And they play off of one another. They seem to really enjoy competing, not just...

Speaker 7 They're like, I'm locking you down. And Indiana's doing the same.
You've got to give them credit to be where they are.

Speaker 7 That one game, man, took the wind out of their sails. But it'll be interesting tonight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I believe there's a story between you and Tyrese Halliburton. I don't recall.
Yeah, Jenny recruited him. Yeah, you say you said you thought he was a bum.
You thought he was a bum.

Speaker 1 That's, I believe the word. I did not.
I did not.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 he went to the right place, and I'll tell you what.

Speaker 7 The things he's doing, I hope he's healthy for this game.

Speaker 7 Kason Wallace was starting, played for us. You still have Jay Well and Isaiah Joe from Arkansas.
Isaiah Jackson played for me. He's in

Speaker 7 with the Indiana Pacers. He's hurt right now.
He's recovering from his injury, but no, going to the games. And how about you watch Shea

Speaker 7 sign 400 autographs after warming up and getting ready for a championship game?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 7 It just shows what he is. He's different.

Speaker 1 He's great. He's a different soul.
Great superstar. The future is in a great spot.
Darius Butler has a question for you, Coach Cowell.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Coach, you've been coaching dynamic players for a long time going into the draft. We just had a conversation about Ace Bailey, you know, kind of going unconventional with his route.

Speaker 1 What are those conversations like when players reach out and lean on you for advice? And do you have any stories from the past with a specific player at the top of the draft?

Speaker 7 Well, first of all, I can tell you, sitting at that table is the worst thing in the world because you don't know because everybody's lying. Yeah.
So you don't know where the kids getting drafted.

Speaker 7 But I've had multiple players say, I'm not being drafted by that team. I've already told them.
And I'm like, are you nuts? That's three picks down. Why would you? Because I'm not going there.

Speaker 7 And you know what? They were right and I was wrong.

Speaker 7 When Carl Towns was getting drafted,

Speaker 7 the Lakes wanted him. The Lakers wanted him, and they were the two-pick.

Speaker 7 And I said,

Speaker 7 you may want to be the two-pick and be in LA and, you know, Minnesota. He said, nah, I'll wear a coat.
I want to be the number one pick. And he enjoyed his time there.

Speaker 7 But yeah,

Speaker 7 there are stuff.

Speaker 7 I remember with Keldon Johnson, we waited till the end of the draft. I'm sick.
I'm on the phone. I'm calling people.
And you know what? He ends up in San Antonio, the best place in the world.

Speaker 7 It doesn't matter when you're drafted, it's where you go. And he now is going to have a long career.

Speaker 1 He's wearing a cowboy hat and big boot he wears cowboy boots i mean what the what perfect home perfect home for him you know the universe of god works in magical ways draft nights can be very long especially you say everybody's lying they do that in the nfl as well oh yeah so whenever there's like a promise made in the nfl it's like that's not real in the nba it sounds like the exact same ud has a question for you coach

Speaker 1 Hey, Coach, man, just want to give you your flowers, man. Huge fan of everything you've been able to accomplish in the game of basketball.

Speaker 1 But my question is to you, being a guy who's been around so long and had to go through the recruiting process, as we transition into the NIL and different things like that, you having your old school mentality and your old school flavor, how has that transition been for you?

Speaker 1 Because you know, it's a little bit more different what guys are looking for now when they're looking for colleges.

Speaker 1 At my time, it was just looking for a great coach and somebody who could put me in a position to make it to the next level. There's other things that come into play now.

Speaker 1 These guys are a brand and a lot of different things. So, how were you able to make that adjustment?

Speaker 7 Well, let me say this: there will be coaches that would pay more than I would be willing to pay, but I'm telling kids, you don't want to trip over nickels trying to get to 200 million.

Speaker 7 And you pick the right school. Don't let it overwhelm you with the money.

Speaker 7 Can I throw a humble brag out there?

Speaker 1 Absolutely, please, yes. Okay, my guys have made $6 billion in each year.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Yes.

Speaker 7 So, $6 billion. So, when I say that,

Speaker 7 if you're willing to take an extra $800,000 to go and you're telling me you want to be a pro, have at it. I'm not, and I don't begrudge anybody.

Speaker 7 Demarcus Cousins told me back in the day, he said, What should I do? Should I put my name in the draft? I said, if you want to do what's right for you and your family, you put your name in that draft.

Speaker 7 Do you want to do what's right for me and my family?

Speaker 1 Why don't you stay for a couple of years?

Speaker 7 And so this thing, I just wish they could not transfer. They should be able to go once, maybe twice without penalty, because the coach lied.
Told him you're shooting every ball.

Speaker 7 I'm going to play you this way. And he didn't tell them the truth.
Then they should be able to leave. But four times, that means the first sign of trouble, I'm out.

Speaker 1 Yes. And you'd see.
Second sign of trouble. I'm out.
Yeah. Third sign of trouble.
I'm out. Fourth sign of trouble.
I'm out. That's That's setting a bad precedent for life, I think.

Speaker 7 There you go. If you're a parent, wouldn't you tell your son, no,

Speaker 7 you're fighting this out? You're not, no, you're staying, you're going to do it. Now, I understand once or twice without penalty, but after that, don't tell me, well, we'd get sued.

Speaker 7 A kid transferred four times. One, it's not good for him.
Two, he has no chance academically to do anything. And I think we're still academic institutions.
Take it to court, you can win that. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But if we get that in order, I think the NIL stuff would be fine. Because right now, you got, you know, the quarterback from Vanderbilt.
Was it on this show?

Speaker 1 No, it was on Busting with the Boys, four and a half million.

Speaker 7 To just put his name in it. Well, that's tampering.
That's tampering.

Speaker 1 No, put your name in the portal, four and a half million. We got to get away from that more than the NIL.
Well, Coach, we appreciate your time. We're coming out.

Speaker 1 Hold it. Hold it.

Speaker 7 Adu Thiero.

Speaker 7 If anybody misses that, it's going to be like they missed on.

Speaker 1 You ready? Yeah. Emmanuel quickly.

Speaker 1 I've gone through when they missed. What do you say? Adu Thierro

Speaker 7 is a first-round draft pick, and I'm going to tell you why. The league, I love the physicalness of the league right now.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I love it.

Speaker 7 Because you got to work to get a basket. It ain't horse anymore.

Speaker 1 Shoot.

Speaker 7 It is, you got to get and someone better screen because the guy's holding like that.

Speaker 1 No, hold on.

Speaker 1 All that stuff.

Speaker 7 A dude can play in a physical game and athletically be in the top 1%.

Speaker 7 He's somebody if you pass on, they'll look back and say, how many people passed on him? Thank you. He's that good and a good kid from Pittsburgh.
Love that.

Speaker 1 Draft them. You're always recruiting, always selling, always coaching, always sticking up for your guys.
You're the man. We appreciate the hell out of you.
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Speaker 10 Finals!

Speaker 1 Welcome back to 20-year NBA vet, three-time NBA champion, Eudonis Haslam. Still got the quickness.

Speaker 1 Still got the quickness.

Speaker 1 I saw him scale eight stairs here and then hover above the stage to get to his seat in less than a second and a half as this show was about to kick off hour two. We appreciate you, UD.

Speaker 1 Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here.
The Toxic Table is here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer die.

Speaker 1 Damned it. You saying dang?

Speaker 1 What are you saying? I said damn that time.

Speaker 1 I'd have hit it with the dang, the damn.

Speaker 1 All of them. That's cool.
Hammer, hammer, damn is actually pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 Every once in a a while it's a hammer. Damn.
Every once in a while it's a hammer. Wow.

Speaker 1 Every once in a while it's a hammer that tonight. Yep.
The Pacers

Speaker 1 plus six and a half at home for game six to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 The stage has gotten set. The t-shirts have been handed out and delivered to all of the seats here in Game Bridge Fieldhouse.
The proverbial

Speaker 1 ceremonial

Speaker 1 game six

Speaker 1 feels like it is on the precipice of being iconic.

Speaker 1 Dare we all say epic. Sure.

Speaker 1 How do you feel tonight's game goes, and what are the betting lines saying about how tonight's game six should go?

Speaker 1 Because the sports books, surprisingly enough, over the last few games, have been dead on

Speaker 1 with how everything's going to go. Yeah, it's Thunder or minus six and a half tonight.

Speaker 1 It's the same line as Game 4, where the Thunder covered by a point or so based on the free throw competition that happened at the end of that game. The total for this game is 221.

Speaker 1 It's been around that this whole series.

Speaker 1 As we know, we've talked about it the last couple weeks or whatever. This six and a half as a home dog is the biggest.

Speaker 1 It doesn't say a lot about the respect the sports folks have for the Pacers, but they've been disrespected this entire playoff run, so it's nothing new for them. I would hammer the Pacers tonight.

Speaker 1 We talked about everything that we saw from the storm last night to flags flying. We believe signs coming in.
They really spoke to me a bunch coming in.

Speaker 1 Something that, you know, you got to take, you can't just take what is happening on the court in you got to take everything else around yeah we got to let the universe talk to us bingo bingo especially in situations where

Speaker 2 what you saw the the pacers flag i know man right and as tony's going through all the stuff all i'm thinking is every time i i place bets based on shit that i see

Speaker 1 making me think that it affects the basketball on the court i always think about the court we saw this this pacers team down two you know last game which out of nowhere they were you know they're getting their asses kicked the entire time and then they're down two out of nowhere, and that didn't work out.

Speaker 1 I have a question for you, D. It's Mathwood's birthday.

Speaker 1 Timmy, talk to me. Talk to me.
I know Tricky Ricky threw a

Speaker 1 zone at you guys in the final. Yes, he did.

Speaker 1 Do you think there's a chance with Tyrese's injury potentially tonight so that he's not in so many actions, there's a chance we may see a little zone tonight out of the surface?

Speaker 1 That is a great question, by the way. This guy knows his shit.
No ball. This guy knows his ball.
He was calling for a 1-3-1 yesterday, I believe. Yeah, it was.
We're trapping the quarters.

Speaker 1 There is definitely going to be some zone to protect Holly out there tonight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just to throw him off pace a a little bit, preserve that calf a little bit. This is a team that likes to get up and down.
He knows they're going to attack him in every action.

Speaker 1 So Tricky Ricky's definitely going to come with his own. What kind of zone? I don't know.
Is it a 2-3? Is it a 1-3-1?

Speaker 1 Which one would you do if you're playing against SGA, Chad Holmgren, Jalen Williams? I'm going with a 2-3 because I like two guys at the top of that key there.

Speaker 1 So if they do set a screen, you just pass them along to the team. Maybe a boxing one?

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 That takes a lot. You got to work on that.
It's hard to throw a boxing one right in the finals if you haven't worked on it.

Speaker 1 But I think they can throw a 2-3 out there because if you set a screen for SGA the other guy's just going to pass them to the other guy the problem is if you set a screen in a 2-3 if he splits and goes down the middle the two guys so you got to have good communication you got to have great communication people think 2-3 zone is lazy defense you actually have to work harder in a zone because how much communication you have to have against the zone that's always a fallback in in the men's league somebody's getting cool all right let's go 2-3 let's go 2-3 but why doesn't zone work on real like high-level basketball?

Speaker 1 You don't see much on a high-level D1 or in the NBA for extended periods of times. Why is that? Because everybody just shoots so damn good.
Because after a while,

Speaker 1 they get the rhythm of it. So it's literally only used for a couple minutes just to throw the team off, throw the offensive rhythm off, get them out of the rhythm, then you go right back to a man.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like chess. You know what I'm saying? You just want to distract them a little bit, throw them a little illusion, make them think we're in a man, but we're really in the zone.

Speaker 1 Everybody's still staying in their spots. And then when they finally figure out the zone, go back to the man.
Is that because everybody can score now?

Speaker 1 Not that everybody couldn't score back then. It's because everybody can't guard now.

Speaker 1 When I was came in the league, you had to guard your yard.

Speaker 1 If you couldn't guard, you couldn't play because there was no

Speaker 1 fast-paced run to the three-point line. No, it's find a weak link, and we're going to go at him every single time until your coach takes you out.

Speaker 1 There was no guys that were just making threes and, oh, he can score, and he's going to just let him score.

Speaker 1 No, if you couldn't guard, the old man in that league, Derek Coleman, them kind of guys, they're going to go at your ass every time.

Speaker 1 They're going to punish your ass, and your coach gonna take you out. Yeah, Milk Chow was that.
Yeah, we do that in the NFL as well. I mean, there is.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite moments

Speaker 1 in my rookie year was watching some shitty number, some shit number, jog onto the field in the fourth quarter and go, I think they were playing corner outside or something like that.

Speaker 1 39 corner, Hayton's actual head.

Speaker 1 Hayton's gigantic. Gigantic helmet.
He always knew everything that was going on. Soon as this poor soul jogged onto the field, you literally watched his head the whole time.

Speaker 1 Just watch him jog all the way over and line up. And then it was like, okay, yeah, hey,

Speaker 1 and it was just bow, bow, bow, bow. You guys do that in the NBA as well.
Hell yes. Okay, is that you asked about this in the first hour?

Speaker 1 Tyrese Halleberg on defensive side, you know, he's not normally known to be a defense lockdown. I had a lot of blocks, though.
Starting to pick up some blocks, starting to get some.

Speaker 1 I gave you an interesting statistic about Tyrese Hallenberg. Okay.
Up until the finals,

Speaker 1 he was giving up 40% on individual defensive possessions. So he wasn't as bad as people thought.
So hold on, is that good or bad? I don't think I know what normal.

Speaker 1 He's pretty He was around 38, 39% in ISO situations. So at

Speaker 1 30, 39% they were scoring. Yeah, what's normal?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, if you're getting cooked, then the guy's scoring on you like 60, 70% of the time.

Speaker 1 You got to take your ass out.

Speaker 1 But if you're around 38, 39%, I mean, you're pretty much holding your own. So that's maybe not a good narrative about Tyrese Helliburton.
Yeah, that's not a good narrative.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's not the greatest defender, but he's a capable defender. But if you're looking at that lineup, then he's the guy you want to attack.
You don't want to attack Nemhart.

Speaker 1 You don't want to attack Natesmith. You don't want to attack Siakam.
You don't want to attack Miles Turner because I think he's giving up crazy numbers in one-on-one.

Speaker 1 Like, nobody's really scoring on him. His offense is struggling, but defensively, he's been on point.
Blockbuster. So there's none of those guys that you want to attack.

Speaker 1 So you look at that and you're like, yeah, that's the guy. That's the duck.
And we like to call it the duck. Not that Terry's Hallenberg is a duck.
Hallelujah is a duck at all.

Speaker 1 But when you're in a Linbier locker room, you attack the ducks. Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
That's the lingo.

Speaker 1 And whenever you, do you know the refs? So, like, for instance, Nemhard.

Speaker 1 There's a chance Nemhard, like i mean he plays sign defense sticky yeah i mean he he's on there but the refs can change he gets two fouls early all of a sudden you got to change the entire game plan do you know going into a game how the refs are probably going to call it on defensive end i'm going to give you a quote from uh from from a little heedism little heedism and lebron james used to say this all the time don't look at the refs they can't help us they can't hurt us we don't even give a damn we didn't even look at the don't i don't care who's referring doesn't matter really it does not matter why they what they're gonna look at the refs to help us win win can't do nothing for us.

Speaker 1 So it doesn't matter who's referencing this game. So every ref could call a tight game.
Every ref could call a loose game. Yes, every ref could call a tight game.
Every ref could call a loose game.

Speaker 1 You adjust throughout the game. But, I mean, at the same time, you come in with your mentality is the refs can't help us, can't hurt us.
It doesn't matter who's referencing damn game, fellas.

Speaker 1 Don't even let that creep into our mind. Because there are some refs where you look at it, you're like, oh, we got him tonight.

Speaker 1 Already, you blew it. Already your mental has gone far away from where it needs to be.

Speaker 2 How long does that take to figure out into a game, like, okay, they're calling it, is it the first four minutes?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can usually tell the first couple minutes. And I'll tell you one thing, and this helped, because when I first got into the NBA, I couldn't get a call.
I couldn't buy a damn call.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was the braids or the tattoos. I definitely wasn't this domesticated.

Speaker 1 Coach Riley called me in his office, and he gave me three pages with every official, their face, and their names. He said, learn every...

Speaker 1 effing guy's name and address them as hey such and such instead of saying ref official deaf, official. He's like, they're never going to give you a damn call.
You keep calling them ref or official.

Speaker 1 He literally gave me a list, and I literally had to learn every single referee's name. And when the game started, Monty,

Speaker 1 whatever it was. Yeah, Monty, giving them money.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Monty, Monty, Monty,

Speaker 1 Monty, who I just saw in the airport. Monty, I mean, all these different refs.
I address these guys on a first-name basis. Yeah, I feel like in the NBA, it becomes a personal relationship with them.

Speaker 1 You know, you're around each other a lot, very close to the action, and also a part of the show. You know, like you guys are,

Speaker 1 I mean, the intimacy of the fans with the game is insane. I mean, you're literally in it.
You're on the stage with everybody. The refs are a part of it.
The refs are getting it.

Speaker 1 The refs are getting booed. The refs are maybe playing to it a little bit with the way they're doing it.
They're a part of the show.

Speaker 1 It feels like they're, you know, a very huge part of the NBA as a whole.

Speaker 1 Maybe a casual would know the name Scott Foster. Like, obviously, would know

Speaker 1 Tony Brothers would know these names. It's like they become stars.
Like in the NFL, obviously, Hockey Lee, Sterator, these guys have been able to get over because of who they're known.

Speaker 1 But it's not every ref. It feels like in the NBA, every ref is pretty well done.
Yes, and I'm going to tell you something about these refs with a lot of these guys. You talk about the Scott Falls.

Speaker 1 Do they work every game? Tony Brothers. These guys are working.

Speaker 1 When you get to this level and you're looking at the finals and different things, you're going to see Scott. You're going to see Tony Brothers.
Those guys have earned that right to ref these finals.

Speaker 1 But these are also guys who have made mistakes in games, and they'll come back and they'll see me like five or six games later and they'll be like, you know what? You were right. I missed that one.

Speaker 1 Got it. And that right there is a whole different, I respect that.
And then when I and I went back to Monty one time because I got on his ass.

Speaker 1 And I went back to him the next game and I said, you know what? I was wrong. Yeah, I respect that.
Before I said that, he was about to tell me I was wrong.

Speaker 1 He was already about to come to me in the same conversation. But these are the things that can help you slightly just having a conversation and just a relationship.

Speaker 3 How frustrating is it, though, when, like, early on, and like we saw earlier in the series, like it's super physical and they're kind of just letting them play.

Speaker 3 And then all of a sudden at some point, it's like, yeah, you know what? This is getting a little too out of hand. And then it gets super ticky tack.

Speaker 3 And it's like, well, you know, like the style we were playing five minutes ago and for the whole first half, like now we can't do it. Like, is there anything you can do for that?

Speaker 3 Or is it kind of just, hey, we got to roll with the punches now?

Speaker 1 Eliminate all distractions. It's too important of a moment.

Speaker 1 We can't allow you to be distracted for at least 30 seconds. You cannot lose focus.
for at least 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 There's going to be so many damn highs and lows, so many things that are out of your control. Control what you can control.
The team that's going to win is the team that stays even right here.

Speaker 1 Stay all the way through. So when all of that happens, it doesn't matter, man.
I literally, and it's crazy to say this because there's so many things that you think can impact the game.

Speaker 1 But if you really just say none of that shit matters, we're going to play the game for 48 minutes and let the chips fall where they may, you'll get through so much effort.

Speaker 1 You're going to play your mindset. I'll tell you what, as a fan watching,

Speaker 1 they do matter.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, from an attic in Ohio is a man who I assume had a great relationship with the officials. There was a video of him flipping off the sideline.

Speaker 1 Everybody thought he was doing that to an official.

Speaker 1 There was also other motions, obviously, that have been done by this man on a football field. He's the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers.
Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk is here.

Speaker 1 Hawker, how you doing? You're glowing. How are you?

Speaker 11 I'm doing great. You guys look good.
Obviously, UD is dressed beautifully and looks amazing. So, yeah, he's a very, very classy gentleman.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's super professional. Are you making fun of the rest of us? Sounds like that was what that was.

Speaker 11 I'm wearing a sweatshirt, UD. I have no room to speak.
But yeah, I love guys that can put it together, and he sounds great.

Speaker 1 Holy hell. Well, Hawk, I told you, you don't have to call me me

Speaker 1 beautiful.

Speaker 1 I appreciated it. Here you go.
Yeah, when he complimented him. Yeah, that was the first time that happened.
I appreciated that. Look at A.J.
Hawk and talk to Field of Pain Bridge.

Speaker 1 AJ, good for you, man. Everybody's taking a photo of you just chilling up there.
Big smiles. Big smile.

Speaker 1 Give him a hype speech. AJ, get him.
AJ, the people are wondering what you have to say about the Indiana Pacers tonight in game six.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah, you know, I love these. I love giving these, especially the one-shot, the old one-shot on the motivational speeches.
Yeah, guess what, boys?

Speaker 11 Nothing needs to be said. Their backs are against the wall.

Speaker 11 We've heard TJ McConnell, he said it, hey, we're going to give everything we have tonight and go bring home a victory and take this thing to game seven.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 When TJ said, you got to believe it. Anything else, AJ? Keep going.

Speaker 1 Anything else?

Speaker 11 This one shot on the Jumbotron is a little bit overkill, but you know, man, here we go.

Speaker 1 We're all here, Jay, guys. I'm sorry, what'd you say, UD? You made a good point.
I'll say, TJ said, you got to believe it. I mean, this is a guy who's talking about, look,

Speaker 1 look at where he's come from and look at what he's been able to do and how he's been able to impact this series. I mean, come on, man.
What's happening? AJ always hovering. Oh,

Speaker 1 that watch shot is just perfect. That watch shot.

Speaker 1 All right, AJ, let's talk about some NFL news that is happening on this NBA

Speaker 1 Finals Game Six. You're doing a great job.
Thank you for joining us, AJ. You are glowing on this TV.
I don't know about all the others. You look magnificent.

Speaker 1 Big news, CJ Mosley retiring from the NFL after an incredible career, obviously linebacker. Great career.
AJ, your thoughts on CJ Mosley? And obviously, this is another legend retire.

Speaker 1 Every time a legend retires that I remember watching, you know, I'm like, man, I'm getting old.

Speaker 1 You know, that's what I, especially because I feel like I've experienced his entire career as a fan of his. Troll Bowl with the man.
Yes. Yeah, like very, like, I feel like an old man here.

Speaker 1 AJ, your thoughts on C.J. Mosley, calling it?

Speaker 11 I mean, this dude was a monster. From the day he stepped into the league, I feel like he was a premier linebacker, making plays all over the place.

Speaker 11 I loved watching film of him and what he was able to do. The guy can move and super physical, a guy that can play, you know, all four downs as well.

Speaker 11 And is it true that he was trying to get back to Baltimore, but his neck hit, because of his neck, he couldn't get cleared to play?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess there was some sort of contact, communications, and then ultimately

Speaker 1 they wouldn't pass a physical or something. Yeah.
Yeah. Man.

Speaker 1 I hate that for him.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I hate that for him. Obviously,

Speaker 11 I assume whatever he does next, he will be. He's one of those guys that I feel like he was a pro from day one.
Like you looked at him, like this guy was squared away. He was a great leader.

Speaker 11 And I know the guys in the that play with him like wherever he was they love this dude obviously a scary dude roaming the middle like an old school type dude so i have tons of respect for him yeah thumper you know cj mosley a lot of years in the league um

Speaker 1 that baltimore i mean Yeah, they're making more.

Speaker 1 They are making more. Obviously, you have a dynamic quarterback, one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
I always say a team don't have a chance if they don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 1 They got a great culture from the top down in that building.

Speaker 1 And I love when we've seen it, especially more recently, the best team just continue to take shots to get better whether it's the bills whether it's the chiefs making these type of moves so adding uh jair alexander yesterday to that secondary i i forgot they even drafted malakott starks in the first round which is a phenomenal talent coming in to the league and then you pair him up with marlon humphrey who's one of the best slot defenders in the league nate wiggins dynamic young corn on the outside uh and kyle hamilton who can do everything in that secondary So Chuck Pogano, I know he's happy about it.

Speaker 1 I know defense coordinator Zach Orr going into, I believe, his third year as a DC over there. I know he's happy about it.
I know Baltimore. I know Ravens Flock are happy about it.
And I know

Speaker 1 I would assume that their Super Bowl odds are pretty good right now. Yeah, Kyle Hamilton actually spoke to the media about Chuck Pogano and gave us a great quote about our coach.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think

Speaker 5 every time he says something in the meeting room with all the DBs, it's kind of like...

Speaker 5 It's like he's just dropping knowledge. He's forgotten more football than a lot of people know.
So to have somebody in the room like that and Donald, too, who's been doing a great job.

Speaker 5 Honestly, he gets through those installs like a pro.

Speaker 5 It's impressive. But no, they're both doing a great job so far.
But back to Chuck, I think he's accomplished everything in this game besides winning the Super Bowl. So

Speaker 5 he's voiced that and we want to get that not only for us, but for him too, guys like him who haven't been able to reach that pinnacle. So

Speaker 5 just a great guy to have and I'm really happy about the room right now.

Speaker 1 D-Bud, obviously, we were incredibly lucky to be coached by Chuck, but he views himself as a secondary coach, always has, obviously, hot flying safety out of Wyoming himself as a college ball player.

Speaker 1 Him not having the Super Bowl ring is what haunts him. He leaves Baltimore to become the Colts head coach.

Speaker 1 Baltimore wins the Super Bowl that next year, so he kind of feels like he misses out with the team that he was with.

Speaker 1 Whenever he was talking with us, obviously he had so much respect for the game, but it felt like he was still committed fully to being a coach in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Now he's coaching over there and one of his best players, Kyle Hamilton, comes out and talks about him like that. I love that for Chuck, legitimately.

Speaker 1 You love when one of your young studs is singing your praises like that because one of the knocks on older coaches is can they connect with the younger guys, you know, because the game changes so much.

Speaker 1 I think it was Cooper Cup. He was in an interview with somebody talking about just how in the last few years he's been in the league, how much defenses have changed.

Speaker 1 You mentioned his commitment to it, even not having a headset on, you know, still been with the 33rd team and still been on calls, watching films, been up to date with injuries, guys coming out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he stays locked in with everything. And he's a DB guy through and through.
Like, he loves the secondary play, so I love the versatility.

Speaker 1 And when you have a former head coach that's coming back into a position coaching role, like you already know that guy is super overqualified for that position.

Speaker 1 So everything he says, you're going to take it and run with it.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that Chuck Pagano is getting some love, and I also appreciate the fact that he's back into the grind. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you seen it? He's been skipping around. They had him a mic'd up segment, I guess.

Speaker 1 Somebody tweeted me about it and told me about it, where he was mic'd up, and he's just like, you see like a 25-year-old out there flying.

Speaker 1 His energy is infectious aj his energy is infectious and uh i'm happy he's held for him and that ravens team man yeah it feels like they're very good can be a problem ud i see it sounds like ud's big fan of the ravens i did not know that was the case i mean south florida lamar jackson you know i keep up with everything that come from the south anything that come out of florida i'm a fan boom anything that come out of florida i'm a fan florida panthers standing cup champions oh for sure congratulations two of the greatest ravens too a reed ray lewis my god you know what i mean wis mcgahey big Kyle Bowler.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course. They got T-Hunk.

Speaker 1 They're totally down.

Speaker 1 Miami's going to get back to that. The Hurricanes? Yeah.
The Dolphins.

Speaker 1 How come the UM fans don't show up for the games, UD? Huh? How come the Miami fans don't show up? I heard it's because it's off campus. Is that why? I'm going to tell you, I can't speak now.

Speaker 1 When I was growing up, we used to go to the Orange Bowl, and it was a whole experience. It was a whole experience.
The people cooking outside, you get the Spanish food. It was a whole experience now.

Speaker 1 I just don't think the culture is the same as it used to be. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 They moved it, and I think once you moved it from the Orange Bowl, I think things started to change when it came to the hurricanes and the fan base.

Speaker 1 Now, for the Dolphins, they've been in the same damn place the whole time. I don't have no answer for that.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to sit up here. Maybe V-Buck can help me understand what the hell is going on.

Speaker 1 I'm a fan to the core. I mean, I sit at home, and it's weird.
Don't judge me. I sit at home.
I have no shirt on and I put my helmet. Yeah.
Watch the game just like this. Love that.
Love shirt at once.

Speaker 1 That's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Listen, I got a real Dolphins helmet with a visor. And I sit down with my helmet and my visor with no shirt on.
I watch the damn game. This is how I watch on Sunday.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 So you're doing like helmet up, bottle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do that. I take the helmet up, I get a drink, and I put it back down.

Speaker 1 And I clipped up too. My shit ain't hanging to the side.

Speaker 1 I ain't getting in. That shit clipped on.
Like, I'm finna go in. Like,

Speaker 1 call my number. Shit, I'm going to hit somebody.

Speaker 1 Popping wood.

Speaker 1 We don't make wood around here. Been waiting a long time.
If you look at the other organizations down there, the Miami Heat has been one, you know, long tradition. We talk about Heat culture.

Speaker 1 The Marlins, they have their running and broke up the team or whatever. The Panthers now, you know, they're like the dynasty in hockey across sports.
You look at that team. Enter Miami.

Speaker 1 So Enter Miami. Bring Messi over there.

Speaker 1 But I mean, you bring it out. Lightning out there.
That's Tampa Bay. I'm talking about like Crib Crib.
So

Speaker 1 for the Dolphins to be, what, 26 years now until it's without having having a playoff win like that, that's tough, especially being in South Florida, where you know hockey is great, basketball, everything is great, but football is king in South Florida.

Speaker 1 So we're waiting to get it figured out. We'll see if they will.
It's been a long time coming.

Speaker 2 Yeah, not to mention, you know, what's going on in the division here now. You know, the Bills or the Bills.

Speaker 2 The Pats with Vrabel on the way back up. The Jets, I'm not going to say they're on the way back up, but you know, Aaron Glenn in there kind of doing his whole entire thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, Miami might be all the way back to

Speaker 2 like 2000, 2012?

Speaker 3 Lead 11 Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We still got pieces. We still got jokes.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying. All of a sudden.
McDaniel will have him. McDaniel will be in the past.
People believe in him still, right? No, listen, we got pieces, man. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 We bring back Waldo. We got tours, see if he can stay healthy.
Coach McDaniel, I love the creative that he has offensively. I think the defense was something

Speaker 1 he dropped a little bit. Ty rakes real fast, which leads into what's going on, though, Lil's hey, what's the deal here? Oh, yeah, that was crazy.
What's up with that?

Speaker 1 You know what happened?

Speaker 1 A lot of people said, we hope he's okay, obviously. We saw him go through some stuff at the Olympics

Speaker 1 and everything like that.

Speaker 2 He still raced, though.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's what I'm saying. So he was going to race Tyreek Hill, I believe, AJ.
I don't know. This has been years in the making.

Speaker 1 Remember, Tyreek and both were even in conversations with Maybe Racing as, you know, all the track guys talk to

Speaker 1 athlete guys as if they're not as fast as track guys.

Speaker 1 And then when track guys are actual football guys, they get very comfortable and confident in speaking and talking shit to the track people, which is Tyreek Hill, I believe, in this particular case, actual track guy who chose football, basically.

Speaker 1 And he ran a 10-1-5 right the other day with a GoPro on his chest. And before he takes off, he actually says,

Speaker 1 Let's have fun doing it. Hey, let's go viral, boys.
Let's have fun doing it. And then he 10-1-5 out the gate.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden the race is called off.

Speaker 1 So a a lot of people immediately say hey yeah no laund's backing off here but uh maybe i mean i i'm i'm i'm i gotta say this and and i and my wife will kill me if i don't tell the truth

Speaker 1 and i love tyreek because he's a dolphin noah lauz will blow a 10-1-5 out the water in the hundred

Speaker 1 in the hundred people blowing that shit out the water

Speaker 1 this is where tyreek has a chance they were supposed to run a 50 correct

Speaker 1 tyree has a chance in a 50 or 60 because noah laule's weakness is his start

Speaker 1 As he starts to pick up in 100, this is where his strength is. But his weakness is his start.
If you watch Noah Lyle's, the thing that he works on a lot is his start.

Speaker 1 So in a 50 or a 60, Tyreek has a chance. In 100,

Speaker 1 how much money has a chance for you? They need it on grass, too. How much money, yeah, with spikes? How many, oh yeah, Cleat, sorry.

Speaker 1 How much money do you think has to be put up for them to actually race?

Speaker 1 $5 million.

Speaker 1 $500,000? I've seen a no money in the gospel. I'll say Lyle's window wins.
I said a couple hundred thousand. What's that, AJ?

Speaker 11 It's a no-win situation for Noah Lyles. Like, if he wins, yeah.
People are saying, of course, you should win. If you lose, it's like, how do you lose to a football player?

Speaker 1 Yeah, forever. And then football people to track people forever.

Speaker 1 This will kind of shut that conversation up forever, though. Because if you beat, because I would say Tyreek is our fastest.
We call him cheetah. Best representative.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he will be the best representative for a long time. So if he goes out there and smokes him, that will put the conversation to bed forever.

Speaker 1 Tyreek, if he chose to go the track route, I believe he could have been an Olympian with how he can run. But yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm with you. The longer the race, the less chance that Tyreek had.
But I'll watch it. I'll tune in on him.
Oh, hell yeah. I'll be front row.
Either way, it's good that she does.

Speaker 1 Why is that? I mean, he's still fast. He looks great.
Yeah, he's in great shape. Didn't look like he was running as fast as he could.
He had a GoPro on his chest.

Speaker 1 That's like the casual, just how casual it was. Yeah.
Yeah, let me go ahead and focus on the content here in the middle of this actual race here.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 he wasn't even breathing heavy, obviously, and pulls away from these guys. Who's he racing against? If Noah's next to him, are they racing each other?

Speaker 1 Then it's a little bit different, which I think is a real thing, especially football speed.

Speaker 1 I think football speed there would actually help Tyreek and also Noah, because I guess he has to line up next to people every single time.

Speaker 1 But nonetheless, I think there should be some sort of prize. Obviously, put some money up and then put some charitable donation up to it, then have it happen.

Speaker 1 They're going to have to negotiate the distance. Maybe they'll meet.
in the middle somewhere like 70.

Speaker 1 You know, like maybe it'll be like a 70 yarder where there's still distance, but it's not necessarily as short. I would love to see it.

Speaker 1 I would really enjoy that for the good of like sports because, as somebody that's had an opportunity

Speaker 1 never to race in one of these races, of course,

Speaker 1 but watch these after like workouts, whenever two people are talking shit to each other about who's faster, it's electrifying.

Speaker 1 It is absolutely electrifying. And I know the Olympics, whenever they're eight-wide or whatever, is cool.

Speaker 1 And watching that, when it's one-on-one with two people that have been shit talking each other, and then there's people gassing it up too. But we just did it.

Speaker 1 We literally just gassed it up right there. It is an electrifying event.
That's almost where track should go. You want to see the best race out? You want to hear about the best race I've ever seen?

Speaker 1 One-on-one? Absolutely. Shaq and Zoe.

Speaker 1 Shaq and Zoe. Okay, how long was that race?

Speaker 1 The conversation was always from Shaq. I went one and you went two in the draft.
So

Speaker 1 everything is a competition from that point on. And they actually had a race one day in practice.
Full court? It was about, yeah, the full court. It was a full court race.
Okay, so how long?

Speaker 1 It's all lined up with our bets and our popcorn. Yeah, betting M ⁇ Ms, obviously, not actual money.

Speaker 1 Obviously, same with us. We play a lot of

Speaker 1 cards and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 The build-up for that. Was there a long build-up for that for that? Well, yeah, because it started in the draft night.
The build-up started there.

Speaker 1 Shaq went one, and Zoe went two.

Speaker 1 The build-up started there, and Shaq never missed the opportunity to let Zoe know.

Speaker 1 Shaq won the race.

Speaker 1 What? Shaq won the race that day. No, not Shaq Zoe.
Shaq was a love bird. I honestly wasn't sure.

Speaker 1 Shaq won the race. Zoe was shredded.
He's big. Yeah, but let's just talk about Shaq just real quick.

Speaker 3 The big Aristotle.

Speaker 1 DJ D's.

Speaker 1 Something different about that big guy. The big hat.
Shaq's. That's what I'm saying.
Something different about Big Fellow. He's bigger than every person you've met.
Somehow, still more athletic.

Speaker 1 I think he's 50-something, obviously. He took a bump off a ring through a table three years ago.
Crazy bump. Just got up in this entire thing.
He's shredded.

Speaker 1 Everything he does, he seemingly has massive success with. It's like, yeah, Shaq won the race.

Speaker 1 That wasn't even, in my eyes.

Speaker 4 How was you?

Speaker 1 Because in those races,

Speaker 1 that's what it feels like it comes down to. It's like, that's how it gets treated.
Like, hey, who's the guy here? Like, that is a real convo. And the speed thing.

Speaker 1 It'd be cool to be a part of this. That would have been cool to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 That was a great watch. That was a great watch for me.
Yeah, I never got, never got called into any races. Is there a lot of racing in the NBA world?

Speaker 1 Like, after, like, in that, like, football happens a lot. Not really racing.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of one-on-one. Yeah, yeah.
That's how we settle things one-on-one. We settle a lot of things with one-on-one.
And then if it go too far, then we take it down to the locker room.

Speaker 1 That's when James Johnson come in. You and Paul Pearson to do that, huh? You and Paul Pearson to play one-on-one.

Speaker 1 That ain't going to work.

Speaker 1 Ain't enough fish in the world to raise this shit like that.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Before we let you go, AJ,

Speaker 1 I hope you guys didn't get hit with that. Did you guys get hit with that storm last night?

Speaker 11 Not really.

Speaker 11 I think it's coming our way now, though.

Speaker 3 Dude. Fatten down the hatches.

Speaker 1 It literally came in like a wrecking ball. Like, it just came in and then it just was done.
But then you look outside and there's trees down everywhere. It was like, damn, that was real.

Speaker 1 We didn't know it was happening until very late. That's on us for not paying attention.
I guess they had been predicting it throughout the entire day.

Speaker 1 Yesterday, I was literally talking shit on the weather people saying, this is a big one. There's a big one.
And then it's never a big one. And then big one.
Lo and behold.

Speaker 1 It was. I'm still without power.
I'm still without power at my house because of it. So Godspeed to everybody that is on the receiving end of that coming up.

Speaker 1 And also, Godspeed to anybody that's on the roadway with Shador Sanders. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 He's going 101 miles an hour in a 60-mile an hour zone. Shabar Sanders pulled over.
It feels like a lot of people get speeding tickets in Cleveland. Okay, something that just comes to my mind.

Speaker 1 Feels like that happens out there. Very flat.
It is a highway.

Speaker 1 You know, depending upon car that he's driving, obviously could naturally get up to a higher speed without even knowing it. Don't want to make too many excuses.
Can't have it. Go wake up call.

Speaker 11 How are you viewing it a jay hawk well i mean the fact it's it's just a speeding ticket though that's why i'm okay with it if it's just a speeding ticket we're good to go right like i understand it's pretty excessive speed but who knows what car was he driving did they say what car and the horsepower because that could have been a three second situation where he got up to 101.

Speaker 1 yeah an 04 corolla i don't think it was uh i don't think it was a corolla it was on a highway right yeah i believe it was a bw beetle no i think it was a truck of some sort

Speaker 1 it was a dodge ram truck i believe Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 those can get up. Soup Damn.
Things go. Yeah, soup that.
Dodge Rubber Ram. I mean, if he has a 2,500 Rebel Ram.
Can I get it? That thing's riding on clouds. First gears 101.

Speaker 1 And whenever you hit the, when you hit that gas pedal, you know what it sounds like?

Speaker 1 Obviously, you should not be speeding in that excess. Should not.
Dangerous. But with some of these cars these days, it is very hard to keep track of how fast you're going.
These things are so smooth.

Speaker 1 Somehow, even with how shitty the

Speaker 1 roadways have become seemingly across America, we had a moat around here. I don't know if you saw it.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a good one.
Got some pavement down up near our house.

Speaker 1 Okay. Quarter mile.

Speaker 1 Quarter mile. Fresh black pavement.
Oh, that's trash. So smooth.
I'm like, damn, shit, get some roller blades out of here. That's what it was like.
And then right on the other side of that,

Speaker 1 we're back on the moon there. But 101, obviously excessive, but $250 fine, speeding.

Speaker 1 and uh now he knows now he knows did i get caught yesterday because i looked and it wasn't sent to was zach eaty going 101 yesterday yeah they were

Speaker 1 saying that zach eaty yeah the same thing same exact

Speaker 1 they were side by side actually talking

Speaker 3 i don't think they were talking i think they were going over place i think zach eatie's was a little different too because he basically said like hey i'm fucking eight feet tall okay i haven't got a new car yet for my new deal like he there's nothing he could do

Speaker 3 he can't move his foot anywhere he's like what do you i mean my foot weighs 70 pounds what do you want me to try to do can i be honest with you guys?

Speaker 1 Let me just be honest. And I'm not saying it's right or wrong.
But when we all get it a little drafted, we get a little money in our pocket. We get a nice little car.
We turn our musical up.

Speaker 1 We might drive a little fast. I ain't saying we're going 101.
But when we get our little money in our pockets, we get our little cars and we turn that shit up loud as hell and we just ride.

Speaker 1 It's immature. It's young.
And he should never do it again. But he won't be the first young fella that has speed.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 At least he ain't had nothing in the car that got his ass pulled over and locked up. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 To your point.

Speaker 1 Could have been riding dirty. So great.
At least he wasn't doing that. You know what I'm saying? And Shador all reports out of the building.
They love him over there.

Speaker 1 They love him over there. And he was in the community before he even got to rookie boot camp.

Speaker 1 Feels like, you know, obviously long road for a fifth-round draft pick to become a starter in one offseason. But Dylan Gabriel there, Kenny Pickett there, Joe Flacco there.

Speaker 1 What's the future look like at the quarterback position? Are they going to go young early to give him an opportunity?

Speaker 1 Or is it going to be a veteran-led Joey Flacco team at the beginning, and then one of the young guys determines who takes over. That could be the case.

Speaker 1 Or Shador Sanders could get cut from the Cleveland Browns and end up on a different team. Dylan Gabriel could get cut from the Cleveland Browns, end up on a different team.

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett could get traded again. Joe Flacco could get traded or cut from the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 We have no clue what's going to happen with the Cleveland Browns, but we do know if you're going 101 on that particular highway,

Speaker 1 you're going to get your ass pulled over. That's right.

Speaker 1 That is what we know. We also know the Browns will most likely make the right decision.
That was a condescending remark from a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. I was wondering if you were being funny.

Speaker 1 What the hell? What the hell?

Speaker 1 Hey, that's good omen for tonight. That that's naturally clear.
I'm going to go to Alaska guys. That the Sixers had a good culture.
All right. Hey, AJ, we appreciate the hell out of you, man.

Speaker 1 You're the best. We'll see you tomorrow, buddy.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Hey, make your prediction. Make your prediction for tonight's game.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 11 Tonight, I'm going 107-101 Indianapolis Pacers.

Speaker 1 Because of your pep talk. Thank you so much.
What do you got? That's ATM. I'm not going to Pacers, but

Speaker 1 They're in Indianapolis. He was on that big jumbo tron.
Dave was.

Speaker 1 That's great photos. Hey, can you put our why? I got a question.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 Hold on one second. Let's get a photo.
We're going to be up on the jumbo trun right there.

Speaker 1 Tone, you got to sneak in a little bit because you're getting clipped off.

Speaker 2 We should want to take a photo of this.

Speaker 1 Are you taking a Z-Doe? That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 All right, sweet. All right, now we're done with that.
We've been abusing the right of having that jumbo trunk. Got to.

Speaker 1 We had

Speaker 1 Coach Cal up there talking about $6 billion.

Speaker 1 What a moment. His head in the middle of this arena saying that his guys have gone on to earn $6 billion.
A.J. Hawk giving a pep talking.
Now us up there. It's outrageous.

Speaker 1 Big shout out to the NBA and the Pacers for allowing us to do this. You were about to say something, though, UD, before I cut you off.
Can we get some of them shirts up in here? Yes, definitely.

Speaker 1 We got some. We need to get some of them shirts up.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
We need some of them, yes, sir. We need some of them, yes, sirs.
We will grab, yeah. Yep, Faso said, you got it.
What do you got there?

Speaker 1 These are also the smackers that come, the Oklahoma City City Thunder have at their games. Oh,

Speaker 1 so I was handed a couple of these from the game day crew that's been traveling around kicking ass through these NBA finals, setting up all the shit for

Speaker 1 the show. So we appreciate the hell out of them.
I spit on these things. Well, don't damn.

Speaker 1 They are a good thing. I'm confused that.
Remember, was it the Angels playoff runner? Who was using the Thundersticks? That the Thunder aren't using the Thundersticks.

Speaker 3 That's a good point. I believe it was the Angels.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Bobby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the

Speaker 1 Boppy. There you go.
I don't want it. Yes, I spit on that.
So I think, what do they do? What do they do? So how do these work?

Speaker 2 I think it's like a fan. Yeah, so you makes no notice.

Speaker 1 Do you hit it with another one?

Speaker 2 No, do you hit it on your hands?

Speaker 1 The ones we got are broken.

Speaker 4 That feels a bit of a punch. That feels illegal.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And you're Calmel. You can go this way, too, here.
Yeah, if it gets too hot. Oklahoma City law humidity.
It's going to get hot in the kitchen tonight here. Yeah, it is laughing.

Speaker 1 And then bang right into it. Oh, my God.
Yeah. Yeah, it's loud.
How many thousands of people are doing? That's a good gimmick. That is a good gimmick.
How big is that arena? Six, seven thousand.

Speaker 2 I don't know, but it feels like 50.

Speaker 1 Dude, this is a good idea. Yeah.
Yeah. This thing's loud as shit.
Yeah. Yeah, this is cheap.
It's a good idea. It's like piercing to the ear, too.

Speaker 1 I assume everybody we're doing it in the microphones are pumped that we're doing that. Probably.
Thank you. And to the podcast listeners, which there are.
Sorry, but you got to let them know.

Speaker 1 Everything you just got. Now they felt like they're at OKC State.
I ain't quite got it. What are you doing? I don't know.
I ain't quite got it, guys.

Speaker 2 No, you just had it. You just fold it it up.

Speaker 1 You got to fold it opposite, opposite. Opposite, opposite.
Every other one is opposite. You know what I mean? You got to make it an accordion, if you will.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. You can play some tunes.
Yeah, it's according. Okay, I see what we got here.
Yeah, this is dumb. I'll just clap.

Speaker 1 I'll just clap or yell or cheer. I'm not just too much.
I don't think it. No, try this.
Try this one. Try this one.
This is a bit much for me. No, no, I think it's.

Speaker 1 I'm getting overstimulated.

Speaker 1 So loud.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay, that's what we're doing here.
Yeah. But when you got mitts this big, I was going to say,

Speaker 1 this big, you just

Speaker 1 thunderous. Out of work.
Yeah, I could imagine. Two frying pans.
Have you ever chopped anybody? The wrestling chop. Have you ever done that to anybody? Like a karate chop? Like open hand to the chest.

Speaker 1 How about smack to the face? We've smacked somebody in our minds.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie about that. I would smack somebody in the face.

Speaker 2 You said last time you were on the show, if someone would screw up the locker room, you'd fight them. Have you ever had to fight somebody in the locker room?

Speaker 1 I've seen it on the court. A lot of times,

Speaker 1 it doesn't never get to that because they always break it up but yeah it's been it's been times where it's been confrontational in the locker room um but but to to to my to the credit of the guys and my guys we all speak the same language that that that big thing that you seen with me and jimmy the next day me and jimmy was playing dominoes drinking coffee yeah like we all speak the same language like the james johnson situation he whooped somebody ass in the locker room the the next day the him and that same guy went to lunch like listen we're going to get this shit over with, and next, and it's over after this point.

Speaker 1 We has it out and we move on. We have that in the NFL.
I didn't expect that in the NBA. NFL, obviously, there's a lot of physicality.
Physicality on a regular basis. Towels.

Speaker 1 So we've seen a couple of, yeah, I mean, I've seen two guys fighting with towels on. That's scary.
No.

Speaker 1 That shit is scary because you don't know if you should break it up or not. Just keep going.

Speaker 1 You don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 The towels left in the middle of that particular fight, too. Two guys that I was friends with, both of them.
That was quite a scene in there.

Speaker 1 That was was quite a scene in there. I'll tell you what, you don't really know what to do.
That was some bopping wood or what was going on in your life?

Speaker 1 Some lumberjacks going at it. Thought he had him in an arm bar.

Speaker 2 He didn't.

Speaker 1 Actual quote. Actual quote from combatant.
Did it get broken up? Joining us now.

Speaker 1 There was one that carried it. I mean, I've seen my fair share of fights in that locker room, and I've always tried to, hey, hey, hey.
One of the ones was Shaq in our locker room.

Speaker 1 And I told him straight up, Big Fellow, I'm not breaking up no fight with your big-necked ass. I'm not breaking that fight up, Shaq.

Speaker 1 This is a fact. Yeah.
Those happen, though, in locker rooms, I think. Like, it's just going to be natural.
A lot of alpha energy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might have either a story or a potential

Speaker 1 counter, if you will, to what we're talking about, naked fighting in the NBA. Jeez, Louise.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, 13-year NBA, Q Rich. Yeah, you're rich.

Speaker 1 You're rich, obviously. Yeah.
Getting after it in there every once in a while. You got to do what you got to do.
Co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, Q Rich, thank you for joining us here.

Speaker 1 It's gone to game six now. You have been on no horse in a race, obviously.
Not pulling for anybody, but you were for the Knicks.

Speaker 1 And this entire series, you've been for Oklahoma City in every single game.

Speaker 1 Oklahoma City, the last two games, has seemingly been who everybody thought they were going to be outside of Indianapolis, Indiana. What are your thoughts on tonight, Q Rich?

Speaker 6 Hey, before I say anything, let me just show you something to prove to you that I'm not, I'm not, I told you, I don't have any horse in this race.

Speaker 6 And I actually am a very huge fan of Tyrese Halley Burton. He has, he has not only signed not just one.

Speaker 6 He has signed two jerseys for my kids.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Great guy.

Speaker 6 So I rock with Tyrese Halley Burton. Full support of him.
I'm just telling, when I'm answering these questions, I'm just up here being honest with you.

Speaker 1 Basketball. Basketball.
You're talking basketball.

Speaker 6 That's it. That's it.
I don't root against the Pacers. I don't root for the Thunder or none of that.

Speaker 6 It's just, I want to see good basketball, basketball, and then I'm going to get my opinion about what I see going on and who I think is going to win.

Speaker 1 Okay, so do you think tonight there's going to be good basketball? Because, I mean, we've all had this.

Speaker 1 Seems to be a little bit of a.

Speaker 1 Seems to be cheating.

Speaker 1 I mean, there has to be. Why isn't everybody doing it? I was about to say, why don't we just copy it? This is genius.
We need

Speaker 1 18,000. What are these? Thick

Speaker 1 cars, thick cards.

Speaker 1 Just have one of the employees here run down a CVS get FedEx store. Yeah, exactly.
Down there, just snag a bunch of school project papers

Speaker 1 and just hand them out to everybody.

Speaker 2 Construction paper.

Speaker 1 This has been going on in inner cities around the world forever.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You can't trick me. Not just inner cities.
We grew up in the church. We've been going on forever.
It's definitely the church. You're the CNN's in the church.
So we need 18,000 fans

Speaker 1 to be delivered to Gainbridge Fieldhouse tonight. What do you think happens this evening? You know, Tyrese, obviously, game time decision.

Speaker 1 We've talked about potential ducks being labeled or if somebody's injured let's attack that person now not that Tyrese Halliburton hasn't experienced that in the past but what do you think how of how tonight's game is gonna go

Speaker 6 I know y'all hate to hear this man I think OKC closed down I've been listening to my man UD like everybody said he's fresh to death bro you already said something earlier that you know kind of stuck with me when you talked about how it feels more like OKC has started to impose their will these last couple games.

Speaker 6 And then when you couple that with Tyrese not being all the way 100%, not knowing what he's really going to give and knowing how much he is the engine for this team, I just think the OKC has hit a stretch where now they're playing so well.

Speaker 6 And you got Jalen Williams who showed up to the party and he

Speaker 6 the door through.

Speaker 6 And I think the combination of SGA and Jalen Williams playing the way he's playing with the support of, you know, the defense, the chat playing, and the chippings and everybody else, I think it's too much at this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a lot of what Oklahoma City has been doing that certainly scares the hell out of Indiana Pacers fans.

Speaker 1 You know, the Indiana Pacers, though, feel like, and UD has said this as well, and I think everybody kind of understands the narrative, underdogs counted out.

Speaker 1 This is like a Pacer type game, you know, and it feels like Pacers fans are very much understanding that this is the last home game of the season regardless.

Speaker 1 You know, this could either be the last game of the season, but it's definitely the last home game of the season. So I think tonight should be pretty electrifying in here.
Go ahead, Conman.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Is there any additional things like that, like factors, you would say, Q Rich, with the crowd, just because it has been so electric?

Speaker 2 Two of the best sports environments I've ever been in was game three in game four, and the people really do stand up the entire time.

Speaker 2 Is there anything from OKC similar to the Nuggets series where it's, hey, this is game six, we can come and close it out.

Speaker 2 It's the finals, but also like if we're down, you know, 20 with 10 minutes left in the fourth, we don't have to push it as hard because we can go get it done in seven.

Speaker 2 Because I think they beat the Nuggets by, you know, 40 points in game seven in that series.

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 I think if OKC has any

Speaker 6 approach like that, any thought in their mind, like, hey, we're going to have to push it or they lose this game. I don't think they're going to miss anything like that.

Speaker 6 And I do, I think that crowd will play a huge part and will impact the game and will give, if Indiana does anything to give that crowd juice, they'll get some juice back from me.

Speaker 6 But at the same time, with that being said, if I'm OKC, we walking in the building knowing, we just stared this crowd down and just beat them and then went back to house and did what they hadn't had happen to them the whole season since March or whenever it was.

Speaker 6 They hadn't lost back to back. And we did that too.
So we walking in with a certain amount of confidence and a certain flag.

Speaker 6 And we also, everybody in the building, everybody on both sides, they know that their franchise guy isn't 100%. So they're keeping that in their mind as well, too.
And that's an advantage.

Speaker 6 And it's not like it's something that you take for granted you think you've got this huge advantage but you do know that Tyrese is their guy and he's not right right now so you you know that that can play a part not saying that TJ McConnell can't come in and flip the table because we know what he does

Speaker 6 I fully believe in him and know that he's gonna show up he's gonna be a little pencil starter tonight I'm excited for that

Speaker 6 But just knowing that Tyrese isn't 100,

Speaker 6 all those things factor in. And it also factors into some of those faces minds, too.

Speaker 1 All right. What's your prediction? Score tonight.
Game six of the NBA Finals, Q. Rich.

Speaker 6 I don't have a score prediction. I don't know the pluses and all of it.
I'm terrible at the betting. I don't want anybody to take my point system, so don't do it.
I don't bet.

Speaker 6 I just say that the OKP will win.

Speaker 1 All right, thank you. Ladies and gentlemen,

Speaker 1 co-host of the Knuckleheads Pokemon.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Q.

Speaker 1 He's picked against the Pacers every game. He has.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So that means nothing.

Speaker 1 Every game.

Speaker 1 Q, Q, every one. Q got the underdog mentality, too.
I know. He got the underdog.
I'm going to tell you something, though. And the Pacers have been here before.

Speaker 1 You look at last year in the Eastern Conference Finals. That's right.
And you look at what Nimhart was able to do when I think Hallenburton missed about two games. Yep.

Speaker 1 And the ball handling was going on, and Nimhart was distributing, getting about 28 points a game. That's what they're doing.
They've been here before.

Speaker 1 This is not like unfamiliar territory to them.

Speaker 1 I think we're more worried than the Pacers are. Hey, man.
You know what I'm saying? But there's been a lot of talk. So like would it be better if Tyrese was just out tonight or Tyrese is at 70%?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 it's better for him to be at 70%.

Speaker 1 I would hate for him to just miss this whole game because regardless if he plays well enough, we saw it last year when Boston when Porzingas came back.

Speaker 1 You get a guy that's hurt and he goes out in the game and he just lays it on the line. You talk about this fan base and this crowd getting behind something like that.

Speaker 1 That brings people together. And that locker room's already together right now rallying around him.
now, everybody's on a rally. Yeah, but Poor Zane's got like a role player.

Speaker 1 Like, Tyrese is the guy that's leading the ship. At what point does

Speaker 1 either tricky Ricky or even a vet come in and say, Hey, like, you know, you hurt you?

Speaker 1 Because he's not gonna pull himself out. You know, everybody look at him sideways if he did.

Speaker 1 But at what point have you ever been in a situation where you had a conversation with a guy, like, hey, you know, you're kind of hurting us?

Speaker 1 Maybe, especially with this being game six, obviously, his winner go home, but we possibly possibly have a game seven.

Speaker 1 Uh, how does that go from that standpoint, from the coach's standpoints, and then maybe other vets on the team? That's a great point. That's a great point.

Speaker 1 That has to be communication between the coach and the player. And it has to be that trust.

Speaker 1 If you see that guy's out there and he's not able to operate in a way that he's able to help this team, because you not have to be 100%. At this point, nobody's 100% in the season.

Speaker 1 Everybody has a dink, a doink, a little something they're dealing with. So if it comes to the point where

Speaker 1 everybody's going to dink in a doink,

Speaker 1 they do. That was a Boppin' Wood comment right there.
That was a little like, it got a lot of time. No, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, that's just basketball talk. Yeah, I agree, though.

Speaker 1 I think if it's hurting the team, that's a Rick Carlisle decision or a Tyrese Hallenburton decision. Between both of those guys, they can make that decision.

Speaker 1 If Rick Carlisle feels it first, then he has to have that conversation. If Hallen Burton feels it first, he has to have that conversation.

Speaker 1 But that is something to watch and keep an eye on because you do not want to hurt the team trying to put your best player out there and even hurt him even worse as well. Correct.

Speaker 1 I think Carlisle and the team have that type of relationship, though.

Speaker 1 I think Carlisle probably had that conversation with Tyrese, especially after last game with everything that was being said last game with how it ended, with how he was injured.

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm very intrigued to see how Coach Carlisle handles tonight. Like very much so.
Because we all know he's a great coach.

Speaker 1 I think here in Indiana, we know that he's a great coach more than maybe anybody else.

Speaker 1 You're talking about this team from when he got here to now, what the Pacers have become and what the Pacers were potentially. going to become.

Speaker 1 Now, obviously, Kevin Pritchard, president of basketball operations here, has put together a hell of a team.

Speaker 1 They're not even into luxury tax, which is obviously the first time in like 20-some years since the luxury tax was put in, which means they're paying the highest of the salary cap.

Speaker 1 This is the first time neither teams are in that luxury tax because they're not overspending or breaking any cap conversations, first, apron, second conversation.

Speaker 1 It's like everything they've done here is right. And Coach Carlisle has been like the kind of the main driver of it all.
The trade for Tyrese, brilliant. The trade for Pascal, brilliant.

Speaker 1 Signing TJ to long term, brilliant. It's like every move.
Neesmith coming here, great great play. I think Nemhard's on a great deal.

Speaker 1 I think everything they've done with this team has been great, and Carlisle has been leading the way. So like it's, I trust Carlisle almost, you know, not that I don't with Daggs.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Dagg's great coach in Oklahoma City. They kind of have the same thing.
They're telling the same exact story over there.

Speaker 1 I'm just telling it from a perspective of living in this city and kind of watching it all unfold.

Speaker 1 So I'll be excited to see how Coach Carlisle actually decides to go tonight, you know, because it might be a, hey, couple minutes. Let's see how it is because then we got to make a decision.

Speaker 1 Or, you know, it might be, hey, Tyrese, we need you this whole time. And it's going to be a message to the entire team and to the entire city.
I'm fascinated.

Speaker 1 Now, speaking of awesome things happening in sports, the College World Series is taking place, and there's been some electrifying finishes. Don't look now.

Speaker 1 College baseball is having one over there in Omaha. Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 3 Yeah, without a doubt. Last night, Arkansas LSU, arguably the game of the tournament.
A lot of people would say the two best teams remaining in the tournament. And

Speaker 3 it was full of theatrics and drama. If we go to the eighth inning here, that's kind of where it all starts.
Arkansas is,

Speaker 3 they're down one to LSU here. Ryder Helfrick is going to chop one down to third base, and LSU is looking to turn two.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Squeaks by.

Speaker 3 Two runs are going to end up scoring on this play. So it's going to be, yeah, so 3-2

Speaker 3 Arkansas going into the bottom of the eighth. And Jared Jones, a lot of people are saying, hey, this is like the one guy you kind of got to pitch around.
They pitched to him. He hits a solo homer.

Speaker 1 We are knotted up in three. Casual.
Very casual.

Speaker 3 Very casual. I don't know if he knew if he got all of it, but he did, you know, so

Speaker 3 we're knotted up in three going into the top of the ninth. He pimps that one a little bit here.

Speaker 3 And a lot of people are saying, you know, this LSU team, like once you kind of concede momentum back to them, it's over because they have a lot of pro prospects up and down the lineup.

Speaker 3 But we go back to the top of the ninth, Arkansas. You know, they're not done yet.
I don't know if we have the clip. I think we do, but if we don't, yeah, okay, here we go.
So Jared Jones Jr.

Speaker 3 hits that, ties it up, and then Arkansas puts two guys on base in scoring position. Justin Thomas Jr., two RBI singles.
So they go back up by two in the top of the ninth, 5-3.

Speaker 3 A lot of people thinking, okay, LSU had their chance. And

Speaker 3 they kind of blew it. They conceded all of that momentum back to Arkansas.
Well,

Speaker 3 I'll tell you what, baseball is a funny, funny thing. Luis Hernandez, the cleanup hitter.

Speaker 1 Two outs.

Speaker 3 Two outs. Laces won out.
And Charles Davilon just couldn't get a read on the ball, maybe.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 1 He has not committed an error all season.

Speaker 3 So it bounces off his shoulder. LSU scores two runs.
We're knotted up at 5-5. Still two outs here.
So, hey, we're okay. You know, we can still move on to extras and maybe, you know...
win this thing

Speaker 3 in an extra frame. Unfortunately, the guy who hit a homer earlier, Jared Jones, you know, that lineup turns back over, and he's going to come up.
It's actually a great pitch.

Speaker 1 I got it. But, you know, good hitting beats good pitching.

Speaker 3 Second baseman mistimes his jump, and then boom, that's a walk-off single. LSU advances to the championship series, and they eliminate Arkansas.

Speaker 1 Jared Jones? Yes. He needs to get to the Pittsburgh Pirates now.
You already got score on that. No, that's what we need.
We need another LSU guy.

Speaker 2 Two Jared Joneses? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, and two LSU studs. What the hell? That's what we need.
I mean,

Speaker 1 This guy hits a single home

Speaker 1 Solo shot in eighth, and then he hits a walk-off.

Speaker 1 Single in the next inning. Please don't send him to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Joe to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 Just to get traded somewhere else.

Speaker 1 And then in the other game, Coastal Carolina.

Speaker 3 Coastal Carolina just beat the hell out of Louisville. And they've been very dominant the entire, well, they've won 27 games in a row.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but they've been incredibly dominant in the College World Series.

Speaker 1 Have you been paying attention to you, D? You've been watching this Coastal Carolina team. It's his first-year coach, right? This is first year there? Yeah.
It's his first year coach.

Speaker 1 I watch every goddamn thing. Pat, I don't have much to do.
I'm retired.

Speaker 1 I watch every damn thing. I don't even know what.
Oh, yeah, I retired. It's been good games.
They have. Really good games.
And I'm a fan of baseball.

Speaker 1 I tell people all the time, they say, how the hell do you watch the nine innings? And I tell them, I just watch a bunch of one-on-ones.

Speaker 1 Every time it's a new batter comes up, I watch a one-on-one matchup between that pitcher. Before you know it, you just watch.
1,000 101. I'm just a competitor.

Speaker 1 I just watch these guys play one-on-one all the time. That was the best part of practice watching people do one-on-ones.
If I start viewing it that way, I mean, that's how I need to watch this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just one-on-one.

Speaker 1 I'm going to see the shit else. It's these two guys.
Who's going to win? That is the entire game. That's why the Pittsburgh Pirates are in such a hellhole.

Speaker 1 Right, because it's not really one-on-one ever.

Speaker 3 They're kind of at a disadvantage every single time they see it.

Speaker 1 So don't be a Marlins fan. Don't you start.

Speaker 1 The Marlins, at least, though, they won a World Series not too long ago. This is true, and then we blow it up every time.
We blow it up.

Speaker 1 We win it and we'll blow it up right in front of your face every time.

Speaker 1 You think you're getting back-to-back, in Miami,

Speaker 1 think again.

Speaker 3 We'll see. You know, it'll be the same thing this year.

Speaker 3 They're going to trade all their best players at the deadline, and then you guys will have to figure something out, and you'll be shitty next year and trade all your best players again. And then

Speaker 1 Marlins. Same one of those.
Say both.

Speaker 1 We need either one. How many of those teams exist? Because

Speaker 1 I always go after Tone for being a Pirates fan, you know, which he has been lifelong. I certainly would enjoy the Pirates to win a game.
Love going to the game. Sure.
Beautiful party.

Speaker 1 Beautiful party.

Speaker 1 Cheap to get in. Good party beforehand in the parking lot.
I mean, mean, it was just great to go to, and you had no expectations of them winning.

Speaker 1 So literally, you're just going to have a festival almost. Baseball is happening.
And if they were to win,

Speaker 1 what a day.

Speaker 1 Zambelli Fireworks, they just suck. They just have sucked for so long.
So that's always been the thing. But I feel like there's a lot of fan bases in baseball that feel that way.
I feel like it's not.

Speaker 3 There's probably about five to seven teams that are like that.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 I mean, the Rockies haven't won 20 games yet.

Speaker 3 We're almost to July.

Speaker 1 The A's have been. I mean, the A's had to move cities.
Yeah, the A's had to move cities.

Speaker 3 The White Sox had the worst record in the history of baseball last year.

Speaker 1 And the Rockies are going to break it this year.

Speaker 3 The Washington Nationals,

Speaker 3 they won a World Series. We went to a World Series game that the Nationals were in.
They won that year. You fast forward a couple years, they've lost 11 straight games.

Speaker 3 Like, don't really have a superstar. Same deal.

Speaker 3 They're just every deadline, hey, which guys do we have that are good enough that teams that are actually trying to World Series, win a World Series are going to come get.

Speaker 3 So there's probably about five to seven teams that are in the Pirates' shoes.

Speaker 1 It's a big chunk of the league. yeah, it's a lot.
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Speaker 1 A couple quick things to note here. Sophie Cunningham, the badass for the Indiana fever, who is willing to fight.
Sure. Which we are big fans of for Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 She was also a kicker in high school. Okay.
Wow. For the brand.
Obviously, the kicker is the biggest badass on the court. I love everything about it.
Sophie, welcome to Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 Love that she was a kicker. That's a big ball, too.
Hey, that's a good thought. That's a good kick right there.
Obviously, she chose basketball, became a professional.

Speaker 1 But I love that she stepped foot on the field. The amount of courage it takes.
She was a black boat in sixth grade or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, an absolute dog. Now she's a member of the Fever.
We're thankful for. And tonight, the Indiana Pacers will try to extend the NBA Finals in game six on ABC.
We'll be here.

Speaker 1 We'll probably be having one. You should too.
We'll continue digitally. See you tomorrow.
Goodbye. Okay,

Speaker 1 that was a pretty good little wrap-up there.

Speaker 1 Pretty good. Didn't think I was going to be able to hit the Sophie Cunningham thing.
Wanted to.

Speaker 1 She's playing a role, a very key role for this Fever team. She's playing a very key role for this Caitlin Clark career, I think.
We talked about you. We talked about JJ.

Speaker 1 I got a chance to see it up close and personal with James Johnson whenever I was here for the Knicks games and the Knicks and Pacers game. And it was like, that is a pivotal thing for stars.

Speaker 1 And so we can get buckets too. So it's not like, hey, we're just here to fight.
I appreciate that that is the case. And what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 I don't think we've asked you this, about the WNBA as a whole, the moment they're having right now, and Caitlin and kind of this new era, seemingly of women's basketball. I love it.

Speaker 1 I think I love competitiveness. I think it's great for the game.

Speaker 1 I think when people watch basketball and they think of basketball being physical, being competitive, being a little chippy, they think about us.

Speaker 1 But I think W is just as competitive and maybe even more chippy. You know what I mean? And for Caitlin Clark, I think it's great what she's done for the league.

Speaker 1 Has it always been like that? What? Chippy. Yes.
Wait. NBA.
W-N-B-A.

Speaker 1 I think so. I think so because I look at, you know, the history of, you know,

Speaker 1 Candace Parker and when she first got in the league. And I saw a couple clips of how she got treated when she first got in the league and how veterans were treating her.
So this is nothing new.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? So,

Speaker 1 but it helps. So I think there's a lot of new W fans.

Speaker 1 I think that is very okay to admit, I think, you know, like the Caitlin Clark college basketball era with obviously Angel Reese in that LSU team and Dawn, coach Don Saley down there in South Carolina.

Speaker 1 Like that era, I think, followed into the WNBA. Caitlin Clark definitely being the biggest driver.
No questions asked.

Speaker 1 We're in Indianapolis, like what she does, she sells out more than like Morgan Wallen, Taylor Swift. There's a couple people that sell out everywhere.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Caitlin Clark sells out everywhere. I mean, she is a bona fide superstar.
Obviously, a lot of eyes. A lot lot of new eyes, I think, on the W, which is good for the league as a whole.

Speaker 1 And I think everybody's thinking, like, well, they're treating Caitlin different.

Speaker 1 And I think if you listen to the people that are in the W, now, granted, obviously, it has been absurd to watch every single thing that they've done to Caitlin.

Speaker 1 I mean, last year, in-between free throws, girl goes over and they're saying, this is not different than anything. But I think the chippiness of the league has always been there.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And I think that's what people that have watched W are like trying. I don't know if they're explaining that enough to the new fans, but like, hey, it's always been this style of basketball.

Speaker 1 I think not a lot of people know that de-butt. Yeah, it's just more, just more eyes on it.
Like you mentioned, Caitlin Clark being kind of... Myself included, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, being that Golden Goose. But I went to Yukon.
I didn't watch much women's basketball before going to Yukon, and they were defending champs at that point, men and women.

Speaker 1 So I watched a lot of them. We're friends with a lot of the girls on the team.
So we were practicing as football players. We were practicing.

Speaker 1 I got fouled harder playing against them than I did against football players. And that's no bullshit.

Speaker 1 Obviously, watched a lot of them go into the WNBA and follow their careers there. So yeah,

Speaker 1 this has always been the the case, where there's been, and obviously, once again, Kaylin Clark is different because of all the different eyes, all the different opinions. And how good she is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, her play, number one, that's why she's, you know, she was the best college scorer, men's or women's, that you've seen career-wise from wire to wire, as far as the points that she puts up, the way she passed the ball, where she shoots from.

Speaker 1 You don't see many men doing this. Definitely the first woman we've seen play like this.
So that's a huge part of it. But as far as the chippiness, the aggressiveness, all that has always been there.

Speaker 1 You see it with young players. You mentioned Candace Parker.
I watched Maya Moore go to the W. I watched Bree Stewart, Tina Charles, all these phenomenal basketball players go at a different level.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 we all competitors. So when somebody gets up there, the first time I'm going against Odell Beckham, like,

Speaker 1 you got to let him know it's a different challenge, too. And then you're like, okay, this Odell's shit different.
So I got to step my game up. So it's the same thing going on in WNBA.

Speaker 1 And I think she'll be better for it. And she is the ultimate competitor and shit talker as well.
So I like it both ways. She lets you hear about it when she cooking your ass

Speaker 1 she lets you know everything she's putting in the pot here go a little salt here

Speaker 1 go take that with you and we give you a little bit of this okay let's talk about shit talking and basketball they talk about larry bird yes i guess he would just tell you what he was about to do yeah legend that's what that was that's so just so we know the shit talking is something i have never been able to kind of figure out in the nba because i don't talk shit to nobody the ways though the way i grew up playing a game of basketball the talking shit couldn't go to another level

Speaker 1 growing and playing at the park yeah and having those conversations,

Speaker 1 yeah, you don't know where that's going to go. So I grew up playing hard as hell, but I never grew up with the shit talking.
So when I got to the NBA, that was an adjustment to me.

Speaker 1 And when people used to talk shit, I used to tell them, All y'all motherfuckers got to come to Miami to vacation.

Speaker 1 We talk that shit now. We talk it now.
I'll see your ass in the summer. But then what you gonna do? And I actually saw a couple guys in the summer.
Motherfucker got like, they didn't see me then.

Speaker 1 Now y'all don't wanna see me.

Speaker 1 I done pulled up on guys like, hey, what's up? You good? Hey, come on, pick up the ball.

Speaker 1 Just making sure you're all right out here. You straighten it.
Cool, yeah. Just to let them know, I'm here, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 He talks a lot. Did everybody talk? Was it KG? Yeah, how prevalent is the shit talking?

Speaker 1 KG talks a lot of shit, and that's something that I didn't understand because I always had an ultimate respect for KG's game, but I couldn't get down with the shit talking.

Speaker 1 Me and KG finally, I'm two, three years into retirement, he's having many years in retirement, finally at a point where we can hash that shit out and we're cool now. Like,

Speaker 1 the beef is cooked. We all.
Okay, good. I'm happy to hear that.
It took a while. It took a while.
And that shit was personal because

Speaker 1 I don't come from a place or era, and my daddy ain't raised no motherfucking punk. Well, you could just say anything and think it's okay.

Speaker 1 I wasn't raised like that. I wasn't raised where you could just say anything.
On the basketball court, there's sports. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I cooked your ass yet. But when you start calling people names,

Speaker 1 now we're in a whole nother conversation. I understand.
Yeah, there's levels and there's lines, you know, and

Speaker 1 this seems to happen in a lot of different cases. Maybe when there's fight buildup or whatever.
Like that guy crossed the line, that guy crossed the line. There's people that don't see a line though.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 it's different regionally too. There's certain things that you're trying to say to somebody from Cali or from New York, but you can't really say in South Florida and vice versa.

Speaker 1 So that's always kind of a part of that dynamic too. And then there's like a shit talking culture from some places.
You know, like Northeast is just a shit talking culture.

Speaker 1 This generation is a shit talking culture. I tell my son all the time, son, you have to learn how to fight.

Speaker 1 My son talked more shit than anybody I ever seen in my life. I tell him, son, you have to learn.

Speaker 1 Sister, I don't know if we're going to to take y'all at the UFC, karate, because you ain't growing up how I grew up.

Speaker 1 So we're going to teach you how to fight because you talk a lot of shit.

Speaker 1 You do. It's going to happen.
Yeah, it's going to happen inevitably.

Speaker 2 There was a thing in the NBA, it was either this year or last year where someone got called a bitch.

Speaker 2 Maybe it was LeBron, maybe it was Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 1 I think it was LeBron in MA. In the MAUW.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it was.

Speaker 2 He got called a bitch, and it was a problem because he said bitch.

Speaker 1 I had to go to the guy's locker room after a game one time. Jesus.
And waited for him because he said some shit that was out of line. line.
I ain't never took a faster shower. I'm pissed and nuts.

Speaker 1 And I'm going.

Speaker 1 I will be here when you ask come out. And how's that conversation go? My security came and got me.
No, but so you were going to fight him? Definitely. What? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 So what I thought this was young, UD, too. Once again, not domesticated.
This is young. Yeah, I understand.
You're saying some shit that I don't play. I understand.

Speaker 1 And I also have to set a precedent for everybody else, too, about

Speaker 1 what the level is and what the line is for you. So I understand.

Speaker 1 That'd be an interesting situation for for the NBA my team security I waited the guy on the one of the guys from the other team came out and he approached me and this was Zebo Zebo I love Zebo me and Zebo Zach Randolph one of the real ones in the league and Zebo came out

Speaker 1 and Zebo was like hey man I say I told Zebo what he said Zebo's like oh you're right

Speaker 1 you're absolutely right about how you feel yeah it's uh you know it's a policing of self situation and uh the competitive spirit is the greatest thing on earth and watching it and how different people go about it you know because in the nfl NFL, we talk about Barry Sanders scores a touchdown and then he just hands the ball to the ref.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And everybody's like, that's how you should act.
It's like, I've seen a lot of motherfuckers make a lot of money playing sports, acting very differently and have great careers.

Speaker 1 And I enjoy how everybody goes about getting to the point where they can be their absolute best. There are some artists with that shit talking.
Oh, yeah. There are some people.
Gary Payton.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I play with Gary Payton. Oh, my gosh.
Gary Payton talked that shit. Oh, he was great at it.
So I think that's what like Twitter. I think that's what Twitter has opened up.

Speaker 1 The people that aren't like professional level athletes, but professional level shit talkers, their shit can get seen.

Speaker 1 You know, like that, that is, that is Twitter in a nutshell, basically, because some person you've never heard of puts together an insult that is so fantastic.

Speaker 1 Like there's been a lot about me that I'll read. I'm like, poo.

Speaker 1 That's, that's well put together. You know, and it's like, the internet obviously spotlights that, but I think it also ultimately spotlights like

Speaker 1 sports are the greatest.

Speaker 1 Everybody is welcomed, and it unifies all different types of people, like what we'll have here tonight. Tonight is going to be extraordinary.

Speaker 1 Everybody in Indiana is going to feel the effects of what happens tonight.

Speaker 1 If we extend this to a game seven and win our final home game of the year, the city's right back on top of the world, just like we were feeling after game three.

Speaker 1 Yep, just like whenever we were up 2-1.

Speaker 1 If we extend this to an improbable game seven in everybody's eyes, especially with Tyrese Halliburton being a game time decision, obviously he's the leader, the straw that stirs the entire drink for the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 1 With all those question marks and how the sports books feel about us,

Speaker 1 if the Pacers were able to get a big-time win in front of this packed-out Game Bridge fieldhouse, this city would be electrifying. We would be pumped to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 And if the Oklahoma City Thunder win this thing tonight, We will have to applaud their greatness as they potentially start a dynasty and certainly have one of the greatest seasons in the history of the NBA.

Speaker 1 14 losses all season, 12.6 point differential. And then what they do in the playoffs is beat everybody, and they blow teams out.

Speaker 1 Let's go, Pacers. Yes, sir.
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Yes, sir. Let's go, Miles Turner.
I'm looking at the Turner's block over here.

Speaker 1 A section in the arena that Miles Turner, I believe, purchases season tickets for, and they have to try out to make that particular section. They're the loudest group of people in the entire arena.

Speaker 1 I wonder what the Turner's block will look like tonight. I wonder what Miles Turner will look like tonight.
I wonder what Nem Hard will look like tonight.

Speaker 1 Neese Smith, is he shooting at a big rim tonight? He better be.

Speaker 1 Birthday, boy. Need that clip.
Catherine, how's he doing? Need him. He's doing great.
TJ McConnell? Great. Always.
Pascal? Great.

Speaker 1 That's the one. Gotta have it.
Obi Toppin. Gotta have it.
Ob Taupin.

Speaker 1 How about the Sky Hook

Speaker 1 off the backboard touched by Obi Taupin? Sky couldn't get on the court for the New York Knicks. Gets his name chanted in Indianapolis.
We love him here. Tough.
Let's go down the line here.

Speaker 1 Predictions.

Speaker 1 110, 102, Pacers. At the beginning of the season, we talked about, you know, SGA's going to get his 35.
Jalen Williams can't get 40, okay? I think the Pacers are going to realize that.

Speaker 1 Let SGA get his. Take care of everybody else.
Pacers, 110. Oklahoma 102.
Big bopping wood night, says Terren Diggs. Ty Schmidt, your thoughts?

Speaker 3 I like Pacers 108, 103. I think they're going to shoot like 45% from three tonight because they have to.

Speaker 1 Okay. They have to.

Speaker 1 A lot of whole reaction. Yeah.
Bingo. A lot of that tonight.
Bingo. And what is Shea doing on the other side?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, he's going to get his. That's fine.

Speaker 3 Caruso can't have a 20-point game. You know, you can't have somebody.
You can't let these guys come in off the bench who everyone knows like, hey, he can't get open looks from three.

Speaker 3 And then, will and behold, he's been in the game for three minutes and he's already got nine points.

Speaker 1 can't let that shit happen yeah we know caruso's good

Speaker 1 boston conner your predictions for the season oh man oh no

Speaker 1 no i'm gonna i'm gonna say i i think okay's gonna kind of take it off i think it's gonna be more of like a 112 93 game whoa where they're they're kind of like hey sure well you know we can they fight early i i well i think indy's gonna empty the tank i think this is it for indie i think it's all well of course but you think okloma city is going to fight early but inevitably Indiana's going to take over.

Speaker 2 Yeah, even that, I could see a wire-to-wire Pacers victory. I could see it being kind of them controlling the game the whole way.
Like, even SGA, what was it, game three? He had 25 points, 24 points.

Speaker 2 Like, I could see that type of swarming defense around him. Hey, if Hal Burton's out, you know, everyone else has to step up.
We also all just have to defend our asses off for four quarters.

Speaker 2 So I could see it being more so like Pacers controlling the game, victory. Matherin coming in, obviously a quick 20-piece for him.

Speaker 2 McConnell, you know, he has eight assists, five rebounds, three steals.

Speaker 2 So I think it's more so like Pacers controlled aggression, controlled victory.

Speaker 1 Tricky Richardson. Oklahoma City, look ahead, too.

Speaker 2 Oklahoma City, hey, that's cool. Game six, whatever.

Speaker 2 Sunday, game seven at Oklahoma City with this fucking bullshit they have clapping.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think it's, I think it's a good idea. If this is legal, is that legal? Yeah, is that legal? I don't think so.

Speaker 4 A lot cheaper than Thundersticks, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it's just a fan, I guess.
Yeah, it is. Certainly it can operate as a fan because it does get hot in these arenas.
Oh, yeah. Man, think about how those fans got it.

Speaker 1 They got fans, and then they don't even have to really beat their hands up too much. Or, look, that's just a wrist.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It can get loud. It's kind of soft.
What? It's kind of soft. I think it's a good idea if it's allowed.

Speaker 2 Smart, but

Speaker 2 I'd rather fans have to put put in some effort, you know?

Speaker 1 You'd rather see palm on palm. Yeah, I'd rather see some palms.

Speaker 2 You know what that this just means? Like, hey, I don't have to really scream because I have this. It's like, well, you need, everyone needs to be screaming.

Speaker 1 It's the NBA final. Maybe they're doing both.
I'm more of a hand. Maybe they're not.
Yeah, I'm more of a hand-to-hand guy. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I scale them.

Speaker 1 You're talking about bopping wood tonight for the Pacers. I like that.
Let's go to nine-year NFL vet men's league champion, Darius J. Butler.
I also, I think it will be a KG affair.

Speaker 1 I think both teams under 100 points tonight. I think

Speaker 1 SGA, he's going to be under 30. I think it is a big mathering game.
And I think the Pacers win 99-93. Wow.
Of course, a game seven. Old school.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, KG affair. Trigger Ricky's going to pull something.
Yeah, I think so, too.

Speaker 1 McDagg's going to have a battle, too. I don't see us winning

Speaker 1 a high score, man. We're over, you know, 210.
Like, I don't see that being. What is he over under on 221?

Speaker 1 221. Feels like a lot of people are thinking under that.

Speaker 1 Three-time NBA champion, a man who has picked the Pacers in seven in this particular series in the past. Has he seen anything over the last 48 hours that has changed that?

Speaker 1 UD, how do you see tonight going?

Speaker 1 I'm going Pacers, obviously, but I'm going to go a little bit higher. I'm going to go 115, 110.
Like that. Okay.
I'll go 115, 110 Pacers.

Speaker 1 And the curveball here is

Speaker 1 I believe Hallenberg's going to be fine. I believe he's going to play his usual minutes, and I believe Hallenberg will be fine tonight.

Speaker 1 I don't think we're going to have to worry about him. If you're on the other side, you want the team that you're playing to believe he's more hurt than he probably is.

Speaker 1 I think these couple days that he's had, I think we know how we get medicated when we had a couple days to get ready for the game, get our treatment, and do the things we need to do.

Speaker 1 Now, after the game, I think he'll have to deal with what he'll have to deal with. But I think those 48 minutes tonight, I am worried about when he comes out the game with the pace that they play.

Speaker 1 Sure. That calf.
But I think that he's going to be close to 100%. I think they'll have a good game.

Speaker 1 I think Nimhart is going to step up tonight because he's the guy who's been able to step up when Hallen Burton has been out and been able to help with that offense.

Speaker 1 Defensively, SGA gets his. I agree with you.
Stop everybody else. Okay.
Does NBA have that vitamin T? Yeah. Oh, it's a good question.
You got the turtle.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 We got the pills and we got the shots.

Speaker 1 We got it all. Yeah, we've talked about that on this show a lot about how there was a time where the NFL and the NFLPA were kind of trying to grandstand on player security.

Speaker 1 Each of them were trying to do it. Bambada, bam, bada, bam, bada, bam, bada.
And then they were like, well, we don't know all the research on this tour doll, actually. We would like to ban it

Speaker 1 because we don't know what the future holds for the players. We would like to do that.
And I believe what happened was the NFL PA was like,

Speaker 1 we're going to hold on to that one.

Speaker 1 We are going to keep the Tor Doll half the league here.

Speaker 1 That's the secret sauce right there you can't get rid of that you get rid of half the league you get rid of that tournament we get the labs before going into the season get your blood torque done get all these stuff yeah the full full thing before season after the season so you can see if something's you know way off because obviously different people react to different it is wild though how it works

Speaker 1 yeah so wild

Speaker 1 it's interesting yeah i mean you saw his reaction you've heard our reaction yeah hey great wake up in the morning you be like oh damn it see it's so many more games for y'all though like for us we only, well, when I was playing, it was only 16 plus the playoffs.

Speaker 1 But, like, so it was once a week. You play that game on Sunday, feel great Monday, Tuesdays when you kind of get up.
Like, shit, like, I feel like I just got hit by a bus.

Speaker 1 But for y'all, 82 games, like, ooh.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of guys had lived by the motto, you want it now, you want it 7.30. That's what a lot of guys.

Speaker 1 So we have a shoot around and we have practice and the famous motto of like the guys that the Wayne Ways and the Greats.

Speaker 1 Hey, coach, you want it now? You want me at 7.30?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to pick and choose like i ain't ready right now it's damn eight nine ten in the morning but i'll be ready 730.

Speaker 1 so leave me alone let me sit over here pop my pills and i'll perform and when the game when that damn clock go off i'll give you what you need yeah and there's you know alternatives and proper guidance through all this and uh these are what people go through

Speaker 1 So they can perform for their teams, for their teammates, for the cities they're representing. All right, we're going to get out of here as you can feel the anticipation in the building.

Speaker 1 More employees of the building are filtering in. Obviously, more things are starting to happen on the court.
I believe there's a shoot around imminent upon our ending of this particular program.

Speaker 1 For tonight's game six, could this be the last game of the NBA season, or are we headed towards a game seven? Can't wait to watch 8.30 on ABC.

Speaker 1 Pacers, OK, C.

Speaker 1 We shall see. Let's go.

Speaker 1 How it

Speaker 1 be.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Halliburton, I'm pulling for you, buddy. Let's go.
Here we go. Let's go.
Pascal Siakam, I'm I'm pulling for you.

Speaker 1 Hello. SGA, it's been an honor to watch you play basketball, though.
I'm going to be 100% sure.

Speaker 1 And Chet Holmgren doing this shit. And their fans, and Jalen going crazy, and Hartenstein rocking the river.
It's like, and then Dags patrolling the sideline.

Speaker 1 It's like, they've been a fun team to watch operate. They have been a fun team to watch operate.
But the Pacers got,

Speaker 1 Pacers need a big one tonight. They do.
They need it. They need it.
I think they'll get it. I think they'll get it.
I like that.

Speaker 1 I like everybody's prediction here.

Speaker 1 I don't know how I feel about that. The Pacers.
No, we didn't.

Speaker 3 That's right, because every other show is picking Thunder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, straight up. Of course.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so now we're acting. Yeah, we're kind of providing opportunities.

Speaker 1 They won't watch us. They need to watch the ones that say no.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 Don't pay attention to us.

Speaker 1 Pay attention to everybody else saying no. That's the shit that got you here.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, keep listening to that.
Let all that shit sink in. Yeah, and I think that has happened for Tyrese

Speaker 1 and the others. Oh, listen.
A lot of chips. Four or five points last game.
That shit better sink in.

Speaker 1 You better take that shit personal. You better be ready tonight.
You're right. You better borrow a calf or buy a calf or whatever you got to do.

Speaker 1 Let's suit up tonight.

Speaker 1 They was on your ass by them four or five points. He said that.
He literally said that in the press conference. If I could walk, I can play.
It's game six.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to watch. All right, from everybody in the truck, great work back there, boys.

Speaker 1 To the setup crew doing it once again that ESPN pieces together. Barcode in company.
We can't thank you guys enough. Great work here.
I mean, this is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 How about the execution execution of the Jumbotron?

Speaker 1 It's outrageous that we are up there.

Speaker 1 Great work by everybody that was a part of this. We can't thank you enough.
And shout out to the NBA and to the Pacers for allowing us to be in here for this.

Speaker 1 Tonight, game six in Indianapolis, Indiana. We'll be there.
Let's enjoy the hell out of this.

Speaker 1 We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.
It might change their life. We're going to sing together.
Team on me,

Speaker 1 team on three.

Speaker 1 One, two, three. Team.
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