PMS 2.0 1357 - Shams Charania, Mark Messier, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble above the Thunderdome on this off-season football Tuesday, June 10th, 2025. This program begins now.

Speaker 1 Sports are fantastic and there's a lot of them happening in real time. Last night the NHL continued the way the NHL has gone the last two years.

Speaker 1 The Florida Panthers put an ass beating on the Edmonton Oilers to go up 2-1 in the Stanley Cup finals. We will talk about that today with Moose Moose Mark Messier joining us in about 30 minutes or so.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he's an NHL legend.

Speaker 1 He was teammates with Wayne Gretzky way back in the day, became heat captain of the New York Rangers, and a man who played, I think, 55 years in the NHL and won 100 Stanley Cups.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to get his thoughts on this Florida Panther team, how they play, why they play, and if this Oilers team is going to be able to answer.

Speaker 1 And is there a tell on Steyskin, the goalie of the Ebbing Tournament? Feels like five out of six of those goals one sticks right here, right right here, right here.

Speaker 1 So we see in the playoffs of hockey. They get a scattering report, the book on the goalies.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying they don't have it all season, but in the playoffs, best of seven series, they are doing a lot of research on where this goalie sucks and where this goalie is great at.

Speaker 1 If you look at most of these goals, except for whenever Stuart Skinner was out of the net, that thing was going high. He was out of net there.
That doesn't count. Go to the second goal, please.

Speaker 1 Please, go to the second goal. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Boom. Bang.
Bardowansky actually off the top. Third goal.
Boom. High right on the goal.
Stew skin, boom, high right, stew skin, stick side, high side. How you doing? Keep it moving.

Speaker 1 I think he's in trouble. I think the Florida Panthers have figured it out.
Last night, 6-1 win in dominating fashion. We'll talk to Mark Messier.

Speaker 1 We'll also have Seam Shirania joining every goal, basically going to the same exact spot. Now, granted, they're sniping.
Oh, yeah, big dips.

Speaker 1 I mean, those potentially going in on a goalie that is very good on stick side, but it feels like they were aiming one particular direction and putting it in.

Speaker 1 His Florida Panthers team looking to go back to back for the eighth time in the history of the NHL. A dynasty in South Florida is certainly a conversation piece.

Speaker 1 Now, let's talk a little bit about the NBA because we know tomorrow night here in Indianapolis, Indiana, game three of the NBA finals will be taking place.

Speaker 1 We will be live from outside of Gainbridge Fieldhouse at noon tomorrow. Come hang out with us.
Great backdrop over there. Rain.
Nice weather.

Speaker 1 Bicentennial Plaza is what it's called. It's right outside of Gainbridge.
This is a covered area, so it should have some shade in there on the beautiful weather. The backdrop is beautiful.

Speaker 1 Most shots of Indianapolis don't have this particular backdrop. So whenever we are offered up the opportunity to go down there again, we are incredibly pumped and thankful for it.

Speaker 1 We'll be there tomorrow. Come hang out with us.
Even if you're in town from the Oklahoma City fan base, you guys have done a great job with your arena.

Speaker 1 Coach Carlisle of the Indiana Pacers actually said, these fans here really,

Speaker 1 they're loud. He said, that was a big deal for this game, whenever we lost game two.
He said, we hope our fans understand the mission, understand the task. I hope so too.

Speaker 1 We'll be in there tomorrow night. So hopefully we'll set the table tomorrow.
A lot of people traveling in town. A lot of people going to be on the show tomorrow.
I hope you will come join us.

Speaker 1 But Sean Shirania will join us in about 10 minutes or so. What should we be thinking about as we look ahead to this game three? What should we be thinking about as we look ahead to the show tomorrow?

Speaker 1 Shams, join us live in person. We assume he'll be boots on the ground out here.
This dude's unbelievable. Tyrese Halliburton was seen limping

Speaker 1 at an express conference. Didn't look good.
This looked like he was a little bit sore.

Speaker 1 That doesn't look like anything problematic to me because if it was, I don't think the Pacers people would have allowed him just to walk. There would have been at least an arm, maybe a crutch.

Speaker 1 We're in the middle of the NBA Finals. But we'll watch Shams what he knows about this and any other storylines brewing ahead of this NBA Finals game three tomorrow here in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Speaker 1 And then football is happening all around us. Mandatory minicamps are happening all around the league.
There's some people not showing up. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 There's some people not happy about their contracts. There's some veterans that have proven themselves in this league that say, hey, excuse me, we're we're supposed to get a deal done.

Speaker 1 You have not gotten a deal done. I don't care if it's mandatory.
You know what's mandatory? You pay me. That's what's mandatory.
I'll take the $17,000 fine.

Speaker 1 I'll take the $30,000 fine for missing these mandatory minicamps because what you owe me is a lot more. So this is becoming a statement for some of these players.

Speaker 1 Or if you're the 17th overall pick in a draft,

Speaker 1 where it is.

Speaker 1 It's pretty slotted. Cut and dry.
On what you're going to get. I mean, that is kind of a part of the CBA.
It's like, here's the amount of money that the number one overall pick will get.

Speaker 1 Now, there are some conversations about the guarantees when the money comes,

Speaker 1 when it will be deferred to, all those things. There are some negotiations.
But at 17th overall, they kind of got it. They kind of got it pretty much figured out.

Speaker 1 He has an agent out of LAA, young lad. He might be some sort of super genius that is working the system and the CBA differently than everybody else.

Speaker 1 But this dude missing all of this and this dude saying like numbers weren't where I wanted them to be instead of like what I was told they should be has made himself a bad guy in a city that he was going to be, you know, I mean, in Cincinnati, that's a place that they will hold you.

Speaker 1 They will judge you. Like this is just overall bad.
In my idea, in my eyes, this is not great for Shamar Stewart. But as soon as the deal gets done, he'll get on the field.
He'll be a beast.

Speaker 1 That's what Shamar Stewart is. We understand he'll be great.

Speaker 1 But the Cincinnati Bangladesh draft him 17th to replace Trey Hendrickson potentially because they can't get Trey Hendrickson to show up to anything.

Speaker 1 Now their 17th overall pick isn't showing up to anything. They got problems on that D line over there, and the only way it's going to get settled is money, I guess, and negotiations.

Speaker 1 It may be because they get rid of Pratt yesterday, they opened up some money to sign Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 1 It may be the super agent that Shamar Stewart has, he's able to snoop his way around to CBA to get more money than anybody else in the history of that particular pick was supposed to get with the rules and regulations that have been implied in collectively bargained agreement for the NFL.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of problems around the NFL. We'll certainly talk about that with Schraeger in the next hour.
He got his mind blown by O'S. Sorry, I did.
Oz has been doing a lot.

Speaker 1 Oz has a book, nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler joined.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 O's has blown our minds. Yes.
O's walked up to you, told you to bring your phone out,

Speaker 1 scroll through your phone book, contacts, stop,

Speaker 1 look at a name in your contacts, and then he wrote down on a dry erase board the exact name that you were looking at in your phone. But not just the name.

Speaker 1 You said the name, I believe, was... Boogie.

Speaker 2 It wasn't even a real name. It was my daughter's nickname.

Speaker 1 Boogie was on his phone. He says, Boogie.
He writes that, he already had Boogie wrote down. Then he had something else.
He said, and, and, and,

Speaker 1 and then you said, uh, black heart emoji. And he turns it around and he goes, exactly, boogie.
And it was just like, wait a minute. Then he looked at me, one to 100, think of a number.

Speaker 1 And I go, I think of a number, 77. And I go, ooh, too easy of a number.

Speaker 1 77, that's the easy. That's got to be the easiest one.
Two sevens, sevens is a lot of people. Lucky number.
That seems like an easy one. I I went to like 54 or something.

Speaker 1 I'm like, what a shitty number.

Speaker 1 I'm going to a shitty number. He says to me, bang, you thought of 77, then you moved to a lower number, right? Lower number? Yeah, 54.
And then he walks away.

Speaker 1 I'm like, only I know if that was right or not. And it was fucking right.
Wow. Then he came on game day, this guy, and he told me to think of a card.
So I thought of one card.

Speaker 1 And then I switched it last second. I'm like, not going to let him do it.
He called my ass out. He's like, you were thinking of this, then you went to this.
And I'm like, what's this? He's a demon.

Speaker 1 And more people need to understand he's a demon. He tried to do a trick at Big Night Out that would have required 12,000 drunk people to follow along with their calculator.

Speaker 1 That was a big swing.

Speaker 1 That was a big swing by O's. But every time I've seen this dude operate, it is mind-blowing, mind-boggling.
And you think to yourself, this thing isn't real. And

Speaker 1 there's more and more people getting a taste of it.

Speaker 1 And what he did this morning with the get up thing here, outrageous. And a lot of people say it's all rigged.
It's like, no. Nope.
We're trying to catch him.

Speaker 2 This group right here would,

Speaker 2 I don't think we would let anybody like. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I would like a little bit more respect. Yeah, we checked.
Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl AJ put half the deck of cards into his pocket to try and screw with O's and then O's saw it and made him take them all out. I have a draft on him.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's just like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a demon, man. He's got a book, though.
He can teach you how to be a demon.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's my thing. I don't know if I want that book.
Nobody bats a thousand, so the big night out was tough.

Speaker 2 But today on Get Up, I believe he broke Bart Scott's brain and definitely broke Greeney's brain.

Speaker 2 He might still be in that studio stuck right there because you talked about the 77 and then throwing him off, going to 54. He did the same thing with the coaches to spell out Get Up this morning.

Speaker 2 It was wild. And knowing it, seeing it on TV now, knowing it's not a gimmick, knowing it's not a Fougaze, because I definitely would think it if I didn't experience it my own.

Speaker 2 Scrolling through my phone, he got me maybe two or three more times. I think I don't want to to be in his presence ever again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's how I feel every time I'm around him. And then I'm like kind of oddly fascinated by what's going on here.
Because he did the game day thing where

Speaker 1 he had me close my eyes and he said, a school will come to your mind.

Speaker 2 Okay? Greenie.

Speaker 1 Then he had Herb Street do something else. Think of another thing.
Think of another school. So then Herb Street says he thinks of Clemson or something like that.
And I thought of Georgia.

Speaker 1 So at the moment, I thought, ooh, we got him. He fucked this one up.
Like, this is not right. Because I said, Georgia Bulldogs.

Speaker 1 And then Herbstreet turns his thing around and it says Clemson on his dry race board. I'm like, oh, no.
We just ruined your whole thing, buddy.

Speaker 1 And then it turns out, no, they actually played each other. What was the final score? Oh, it was exactly what Sabin did earlier and what Rhys Davis did earlier.
That was the final score.

Speaker 1 Those were the teams that played against each other. And there was some date.
It's like the levels of shit. He like tells a story with all of his tricks.
They're never done.

Speaker 1 They're never done, seemingly. He just keeps going.
We would just like to let the world know that it's very pessimistic about these types of things.

Speaker 1 And maybe they're sick of CNOs because I have seen that on the internet. I've seen people say we're sick of seeing this guy.

Speaker 1 Just know that we can understand why you're sick of seeing them. But if you have a chance to be around them, it's like, it's a moment you're like, what the? Like, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 So I think that's why everybody's kind of captivated that is in TV world by him, because we all want it to be fake. Yes.
We all want it to be bullshit. And then he walks right into that batter's box.

Speaker 1 And seemingly each time he he takes a bigger bat well i'm gonna tie actually this guy over here his shit ties into here they spelled get up this morning uh with uh the first letter of all the different names that we're thinking of he got somebody's atm uh pin yeah from an offensive lineman at the cincinnati bengals

Speaker 1 but first it was joe burrow throwing it randomly to two people throwing a ball randomly to a team meeting and it was their numbers were that guy's pin

Speaker 1 did it with the bills too did that multiple times. Is that not just like

Speaker 1 how does that fucking work? I don't know how it works. Got Rogan, too.

Speaker 2 Got his pin. Not amused.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 that is one of those things where

Speaker 1 I got your pin.

Speaker 1 Yes, my pin. I had to change it.
Thank you so much. Actually, fucked me because I don't use my pin much, you know? Had to get money out.

Speaker 1 Put my old pin in. Didn't work twice.
Draw twice.

Speaker 1 Didn't work twice. I thought I was going to lock it up.
I'm like, that is my pin. It has been my pin.
And then immediately a little O's pops in my head. Ha ha!

Speaker 1 It's not your pin anymore. Remember, we did it in front of a million concurrence.
We were doing the numbers for Big Night Out

Speaker 1 between YouTube, X, TikTok. We had throughout a million concurrence throughout that show.
So how many people heard my pin?

Speaker 1 All of a lot. Probably a lot.
That's for sure. Probably all of them.
All of them. And then the reruns.
There was no reason for him to do that to people.

Speaker 1 You know, can you pick something that isn't as detrimental? Yeah. To society there, just losing it all.
Hey, this guy's social security number.

Speaker 1 Right now, that's a pretty crazy thing to do.

Speaker 1 Anyways, we'll talk to Shrikes about that and everything happening around the NFL and what he is hearing about some of the big names that are still available.

Speaker 1 Because remember, Shrages slept on the couches of a lot of these guys that are now in charge. That's right.
Senior Bowl having a good time down Mobile, Alabama as a young buck, trying to meet people.

Speaker 1 All the people he met now are basically running the league. So he happens to have a lot of information that other people don't have.

Speaker 1 Although he doesn't consider himself an insider, he is certainly that. We can't wait to catch up with him.
The talks table is here at Boss Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 1 Conman, Oz is a demon, but this Panthers team might be unstoppable. I know they're at their third straight finals.
I know this is potentially their second straight Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 Connor McDavid, Dry Sidel, and the boys still exist. I'm not saying they don't.

Speaker 1 But when you watch the Florida Panthers do what they did last night, it's hard not to be like, this is a wagon for the foreseeable future. And they just got Marsheyan on their team.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Marshand. I mean, you just said it.
Him and Sam Bennett together have been ridiculous. I don't know if you remember the movie Hancock, but in Hancock, Will Smith's a superhero.
I love Sam Smith.

Speaker 1 Fun fact,

Speaker 1 back when Facebook was a thing, favorite movies, Hancock was on there. Okay.
NFL Films was filming me one time, asked me my favorite superhero. I said, Hancock, the drunk one.
Next question.

Speaker 1 I am a big Hancock. Okay, so then you know Hancock loses his powers when he's near around another.
Yeah, around another. It's kind of the opposite of Brad Martian and Sam Bennett.

Speaker 1 When they're around each other, they almost become better.

Speaker 1 Sam Bennett now is the favorite to win the Con Smythe Award, which is crazy because McDavid was the favorite at minus two something coming in.

Speaker 1 Martian, a minute into the game, you know, he scores his first goal. And then it was basically, that was kind of all she wrote damn near.
Verhege, ridiculous snipe.

Speaker 1 And you mentioned over that right shoulder, that stick side high on Stu Skin. Gump's been telling us for a while, hey, Stew Skin will turn into a pumpkin.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that happened, but I'd be surprised if we see Stewie Skin again. The problem the Oilers are doing is that they're trying to play Florida Panther hockey, okay? I see that.

Speaker 1 They're trying to bully us. They're trying to bully.
And granted, that's because the Oilers went and they grabbed Trent Frederick, who started the backyard brawl, if you will, last night.

Speaker 1 It's five to one. The Oilers are just getting absolutely shit pumped.
And because of that, they're trying to get into the heads, into the kitchens of these Florida Panthers.

Speaker 1 Little do they know that is where the Panthers live. Trent Frederick, right there.
Sam Bennett, he's been the superstar. So, what's Trent Frederick to? Hey, let's screw with this guy.

Speaker 1 I'm going to break my stick over his back and let's just start throwing hands. And that's what happens.
But that's what the Florida Panthers thrive off of.

Speaker 1 The Oilers are probably going with Calvin Pickard now, who got hurt earlier in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Five-on-five in the the Stanley Cup finals. No fight.
I mean, what are we even talking about?

Speaker 1 This is 5-1. This game is over.
There is the only reason this would happen is because the Edmonton Oilers just are trying to get under the Panthers' skin.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's going to happen to this Florida Panthers team? Absolutely not. Blood gushing down that guy's face.
Couple cross checks from Frederick on Sam Bennett. One in the lower back.

Speaker 1 Then breaks his stick across the wrist of Sam Bennett, the guy who's going to win the conspite, the MVP of this. entire thing.
So obviously the Panthers are like, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 This is all happening right in front of the Edmonton Oilers bench. I, once again, cannot reiterate the fact enough.
Hockey is awesome.

Speaker 1 And the fact that you can just get a full five-on-five brawl in the Stanford Cup Finals in 2025 should make everybody say, this sport's the greatest of all time. There's only three refs out there.

Speaker 1 There's five different fights. Three refs.
There was multiple times where that fight would go down to the ground. Guys would catch their breath and say, no, we're not done yet.

Speaker 1 They could back up, start fighting each other, and the ref would have to come over. Then one ref would be struggling with one big-time fight, would call in a friend, stripes, hey, two refs, one fight.

Speaker 1 There's four other fights happening and only one ref to break it all up. This thing could have gone all day and night if they wanted it to, but the boys ran out of gas.
The boys ran out of steam.

Speaker 1 And I think the boys proved themselves that, hey, you're not just going to disrespect us. The Edmonton Oilers said, we ain't no rollover bitches around here.

Speaker 1 We will put up a fight even if we're losing. And

Speaker 1 the Panthers said, is that right? Okay, we'll beat you 5-1. And beat your ass on top of it.
As a Florida Pound defend, you got to love everything about it.

Speaker 2 I loved everything about about it and post-fight you know seeing the stick taps up against the ball i mean yeah it's just it's the height of uh obviously playoff hockey the physicality not only uh between the whistles but after the whistles as well and you knew this was coming you know this was coming from the oilers once they were down 5-1 pretty much gave up i feel like in the second period uh it's one thing to be talented but then to be talented and then be deep as well you know you mentioned sam bennett and uh marshan but uh you know barkey and chucky like they haven't even been giving them the production that you expect them to at this level you're still getting all these weapons getting in there Carver Hagee swaggy he's always gonna put pucks on net especially when it comes to playoff time and then Bob Bob is standing on his head but Brofsy the goalie for the Palestine yeah Bob you know standing on his head man so I loved everything about it and that popped from the crowd you know obviously Marsha got it started very very early on I think the earliest Stanley Cup championship goal in Panthers history and then once Carter followed it up that crowd was in it and they they never left one half of the hammer done cowboys apie ton the The one thing we do need to worry about is Connor McDavid and potentially an injury.

Speaker 1 Ekblad lined him up a bit last night and then he went to the locker room. So like if McDavid's not 100%,

Speaker 1 are they going to be able to beat the Panthers? Like that's the huge thing to watch going forward.

Speaker 1 It didn't look like much there, but then the more of the replays they show, he got a little bit of a knee to knee on that hit. So it's definitely something that we need to watch moving forward.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and McDavid getting, oh, back knee there, a little bit of a trail.

Speaker 1 Him ending up on the ice, obviously, never good, not expected because of how great of a skater he is uh do you know how strong you have to be to skate as fast as he skates right now that's the thing about mcdavid he's so explosive but he's also so durable seemingly uh edmonton oilers without conor mcdavid obviously this thing is signed sealed delivered to the florida panthers but if he can stand they will put him out there that's the difference between hockey and every other sport if you can get into your skates and get vertical

Speaker 1 If you can stand up and down like six o'clock,

Speaker 1 shout out to Q Rich.

Speaker 1 They will push your ass onto the ice and you will finish. So Conor McDavid will play.

Speaker 1 We'll find out what he's actually going through whenever the series is over, which is per usual in the hockey world.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, senior insider for the NBA at ESPN, friend of the program, the always handsome ladies and gentlemen, Sham Sharon.

Speaker 1 Shami, how are you doing, pal?

Speaker 3 I'm good. I have news.
I do have news.

Speaker 4 I will be in the house tomorrow in Indianapolis. outside Gainbridge Field House.
I will be there. It's up to something season.

Speaker 4 So if you're there live in person,

Speaker 1 we'll be coming your way.

Speaker 4 But you gotta be in person to get it first, though, right? Like, I think that's how it works. Yeah, I think you'll get it on social media, but you gotta be there in person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think person to person is certainly the fastest form of communication still in 2025. There is some tele telepathic stuff that goes on with O's.
I think that's faster.

Speaker 1 I think that's probably the fastest than I need to learn how to do that.

Speaker 4 I feel like I would get more information quicker if I knew how to do that.

Speaker 1 do you think vocal communication or sign language is faster communication oh to me it's it's it's always it's always vocal it's always vocal yeah but if i do that like you see you that's pretty quick that's you know what i mean true that's

Speaker 1 that's better than that's quicker than good good job the eyes are close to the brain i guess now the ear is pretty fucking close if your ears are there are some pretty complicated signs though where people will be going for 10 minutes and it was just like yep that sounds good all right if you had to guess what this means what would you say that means

Speaker 4 Do it again. Do it one more time.

Speaker 4 Hammer down. Is that what that is?

Speaker 1 Clubs, not a backup. Clubs.
Shit happens, brother. Let's move along.
Okay, so you'll be here tomorrow. Let's talk about this series, Oklahoma City versus Indiana.

Speaker 1 We cannot wait to see you live in person. We appreciate every time you travel to beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana.
We'll be outside Gainbridge Fieldhouse tomorrow, starting at noon.

Speaker 1 Sean's will be wanting to...

Speaker 4 That's all we got to say. That's all we got to say.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Sean's about to be starting a new new business.
Maybe that's a hair product. Not a bad idea for how good Sean's hair is.
Let's talk about the series here, Oklahoma City, Indiana.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Halliburton was seen limping a little bit, getting on and off of his

Speaker 1 press conference box there. They have footage of him at shootaround today.
He has been moving around. He is there in the pink shoes, obviously the Halley ones, brought to you by Puma.

Speaker 1 He had a hell of a debut in those shoes. He had a game winner in the finals.
Next game, game two, not as great, obviously, for the Indiana Pacers. Game three tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 What should we be thinking? And what was that with Tyrese, or is it a big nothing burger?

Speaker 4 Everyone around this time of year is banged up, dealing with something. I'm sure Tyrese Halliburton is dealing with some levels of soreness.
He went through full practice today.

Speaker 4 I'm told he was feeling a lot better yesterday going into today. So I have not heard any concern level for his actual game status for game three in Indianapolis on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 But listen, everything about Tyrese Halliburton's postseason this year, he's had the highest of highs. There have been obviously some lows too, like there is on any playoff run.

Speaker 4 But his numbers are staggering in wins versus losses in these playoffs. They haven't lost a ton during the playoffs, but in wins, he's averaging almost 21 points over 10 assists.

Speaker 4 In the losses, about 12 and a half points and about seven assists.

Speaker 4 So clearly, when he's performing better, when he's more aggressive, when he's putting up numbers, they're a much better team, obviously. So

Speaker 4 I think how he comes out back at home, that's going to to be a big sign. But I thought in game one, the Thunder got 19 turnovers out of Indiana in the first half, and they still lost the game.

Speaker 4 So to me, it's like Oklahoma City could clearly feel going into game three that they should be up 2-0. Indiana gets one.
So they took care of business.

Speaker 4 But their defense, we've seen it in both of these games, not only just in game two, where it was absolutely stifling.

Speaker 4 Like I was there at both games, but the way they were able to get Indiana to get turnovers and put them in uncomfortable positions and guarding, like the way they're able to switch every single play.

Speaker 4 Uh, it's it's the most elite defense in the league right now, um, and that's why you have to give them a great edge for the rest of the series.

Speaker 4 But playing again in Indianapolis, to me, I know those piles are going to be crazy and packed, and so uh, you have to feel good if you're Indiana going back home now.

Speaker 1 Dejaneau, obviously, incredible coach, uh, as is Coach Carlisle. You talk about Daganeau, Dagano,

Speaker 4 Dagoneau,

Speaker 1 I thought it was Dejaneau, Dejaneau, Dagano. Daggs.

Speaker 1 This is his fault.

Speaker 4 Just call him Daggs. Just call him Daggs.

Speaker 1 Just give him a nickname out here. Dags.

Speaker 1 All right, Daggs. I like Daggs.
Mark Daggs. Daggs is a great coach, too.

Speaker 1 Dagano is a great coach.

Speaker 1 Obviously, young out there in Oklahoma City with a team that could be great for, I don't know, the next 10 years if they are somehow able to keep everybody together, but they're a young crew.

Speaker 1 Let's go to Coach Carlisle on the other side. Obviously, been around a long time.
He's top five, I think, in wins in playoffs.

Speaker 1 If he wins another title, he'll obviously have a title with two different organizations. He's a guy that I think coaches hard on the Pacers.

Speaker 1 Do you think he's hammering home the message about Tyrese Halliburton to be more aggressive? Because I feel the way Tyrese plays, just by watching, he just kind of lets the game come.

Speaker 1 And if it's not right for him to kind of be aggressive, he'll let somebody else do it.

Speaker 1 Do you think there is maybe a little bit more of a messaging to Tyrese within the Pacers organization that he needs to think about putting a team on his back very early?

Speaker 1 And how do you think that gets handled?

Speaker 4 I think they have full trust in him. But listen, Rick Carla, I've talked to players that have played for him in past years, whether it's in Dallas or in the past

Speaker 4 in Indy. And like he's a very direct coach.
So if Rick Carlisle brings you to the office or has a conversation with you, he'll be very blunt. He'll be very direct.

Speaker 4 So I'm sure him and Tyrus Halliburton have had some very direct conversations. And Tyrus Halliburton will listen to his coach.

Speaker 4 But I think there's a great level of trust for Tyrus Halliburton to feel out each start of the game.

Speaker 4 And I do think in the playoffs, Pat, especially in the NBA, later in these games, even when it's a blowout, you try to see what you can find. Any type of momentum is good momentum.

Speaker 4 And I think people will make of Tyrus Albert's fourth quarter and second half play as like, all right, he put up points in garbage time when they were already down 15 plus points.

Speaker 4 But listen, he did score, I think, 14 points in that second half, in that fourth quarter, you know, being a big one. So maybe he found a rhythm there.
Maybe he found something there.

Speaker 4 And we'll see in game three, pretty early on, how he feels. But

Speaker 4 I will say that Mark Dagano, we were just talking about him. He went and changed his starting lineup.
He took out Isaiah Hartenstein in game one, put in Kaysen Wallace.

Speaker 4 And I think there was some feedback, some flack that he got. And I think he could have went back to the double big lineup.
But he stuck with Kaysen Wallace in game two.

Speaker 4 They ended up winning that game by a landslide. And I think, you know, this is a Thunder team that has been changing their lineups all year.

Speaker 4 They obviously have a very deep team. They have a guy named Jalen Williams, Pat.

Speaker 4 They have a guy named Jalen Williams who literally has shown that he can get triple doubles in games and he sometimes doesn't play. But these guys are ready.

Speaker 4 Andrew Wiggins, you know, he has a nominal role in game one. Then in game two, he becomes this unsung hero.

Speaker 4 So they have such a talented, deep roster that I think Mark Dagner, I wouldn't surprise anything with it.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't be surprised with anything he does in game three with his rotation.

Speaker 1 Well, good luck to Dags figuring it out here in Indiana. Okay, because it's going to be tough.
Is it going to feel like a finals game when I watch it, though?

Speaker 1 How does the league feel about the lack of the trophies on the court and on the broadcast, and how it used to be something that was a big deal?

Speaker 1 Now it feels like, okay, we just got a title on the line here, as opposed to visually any big time changes. Has there been any conversations about that? Because I saw

Speaker 1 people are not happy about the,

Speaker 1 I believe they were calling them

Speaker 1 Bush League ass or amateur ass.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's

Speaker 4 was that AI? Is that like,

Speaker 4 what is that even called when you just self-impose that in there? Like, I think,

Speaker 4 I think, yeah, I'm sure the fans would much rather it be a real part of the court, a real element of the court. Because, listen, you could put it on

Speaker 4 that version of it, but then you see, and you're actually at the arena, and you see that that trophy is not actually there.

Speaker 4 And the other thing is, whenever they show those highlights, the trophy's not actually there either. So, Mickey Moss.

Speaker 4 I think this is a better question for

Speaker 4 other executives, not me

Speaker 4 or the league.

Speaker 4 But Adam Silver did do media last week in OKC, and he did say that they are going to look at this in the years to come, that I think he understands how much this means to the fans and that they're going to take a look at it.

Speaker 4 I saw there was a quote, I think, a decade ago, where they said it was safe for the league.

Speaker 4 It was more safer for them not to have that decal there. But then you watch the in-season tournament and there's this big in-season tournament.

Speaker 1 Well, they changed the entire boards, they changed the entire court for the in-season. I think Adam Silver said, we're definitely going to talk about this going forward.

Speaker 1 Yeah, any team you see in the finals going forward, we're going to remind them pretty clearly, like, hey.

Speaker 1 This is a big remember that in season Nikki Mouse?

Speaker 4 You wanted to have the feel, though. You wanted to have that nostalgic feel.
And I remember growing up, even in the playoffs, there would be this like playoff logo on the court

Speaker 4 for all rounds. And then when it got to the Western Conference finals, there would be a Western Conference or Eastern Conference logo.

Speaker 4 And then the NBA finals, there would be some, you know, this cursive NBA Finals logo with the trophy. Yeah, there you go.
With a trophy in the middle. Like, there's definitely some nostalgia.

Speaker 4 The league has gotten away from that over the last several years in the finals.

Speaker 1 The Super Duper Cups got a whole new court. It does.
The Super Duper,

Speaker 1 they made an entirely different court for the in-season Super Duper Cup. That doesn't even count.
And then the actual one, the actual end-of-season one, okay, I guess that's what we'll call it now.

Speaker 1 We have an in-season one, big deal, Super Duper, duper. And then we have an end of season one that as a, it's like, come on, that feels like a oversight.
That feels like an oversight.

Speaker 1 That feels like somebody not doing or paying attention to the situation or understanding the moment. That's what that feels like to me.
And that could be a,

Speaker 1 I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.

Speaker 4 We got to start the petition, Pat. We got to start it.
Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam might show up. Adam might show up to the live set.
You never know. You never, never know.

Speaker 1 Is that Adam Silver? You're speaking of Adam Silver? Is that who you're talking about?

Speaker 4 You never know who might show up.

Speaker 1 Oh, we can't wait for a brainstorm session with Adam Silver if he comes to the show. We're letting Adam Silver know we appreciate him.
We're a big fan of his. We believe he does great jobs.

Speaker 4 He did say, he did tell me once that he watches this show during lunchtime.

Speaker 4 Now, I don't know if that was talking about my passion for lunch or he or actually watching it at lunchtime because it shows up at lunch.

Speaker 4 I think it's the latter. I think it's the latter.
I don't think he knows about my

Speaker 4 interest

Speaker 4 in fetish for lunch periods.

Speaker 1 Fetish, excuse me. Fetish.
I didn't know you were doing it. I see you're rubbing lunch.

Speaker 1 I don't think I fully understand how those work.

Speaker 1 You remember that Gray, what was his name? Christian Gray? Yeah, Christian Gray.

Speaker 1 He had like peacock feathers and stuff.

Speaker 1 John's got that with like forks and spoons and

Speaker 1 jelly meats and good bread.

Speaker 1 Don't catch him.

Speaker 4 Sometimes you're scrambling. Pat, you're scrambling.
You know, you have alerts on your phone to drink water. Sometimes you're just scrambling.
You have oatmeal. I think that one time I had oatmeal.

Speaker 4 I was eating it with a fork.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's it. Desperate times.
Yeah, he had pork.

Speaker 4 For desperate measures.

Speaker 1 All right, we appreciate you. We'll see you tomorrow, Shams.
You're the man. Good luck with that fetish of yours.
I know we're eating into the time. 12:30.
That's right in the middle of fetish time.

Speaker 1 That's what we think. Oh, my gosh.
Ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you. Senior NBA insider Sean Shiranio.

Speaker 1 What was that all about? Yeah, I don't know. We know what he's doing with, you know, his pork sausages.
What's that?

Speaker 1 Let's just say he's beating his meats

Speaker 1 big time sounds like he is pine a little meat diners yeah deli meats he loves lunch though he does sets an alarm for lunch yeah and then he tweeted out a bunch of times yay it's lunchtime yes he did while it while in high school every day it was a tweet about lunchtime finally lunch every day every day yeah i think there's like

Speaker 1 I think there's like hundreds and hundreds of tweets of Sean Sharani going like, time for lunch. For shoot.

Speaker 2 Is it like a picture of him actually like what he got?

Speaker 1 Just time for lunch exclamation point. He doesn't even know what he's getting yet.

Speaker 1 He just knows that he's headed to lunch some of them have like 50 exclamation points and then he would use a fork I think for his oatmeal yep

Speaker 1 and ice cream how do you feel about that that's that's interesting what was the comedian that was the very deep thinking guy uh

Speaker 1 gary goldman maybe yeah it was yeah he said if i walk into your house and i see fork marks on your ice cream i know so much about you i already know everything about you I know that on numerous occasions, you've been laying on your bed trying to get the corner of the fitted sheet and you've been jumping, trying to get that thing on there.

Speaker 1 He said, I know your pillowcase halfway off your pillow. If you're using a fork to eat ice cream, I know the way you live your life already.

Speaker 1 Sean Shirani, I think, is the complete opposite of the type of person that you would assume uses a fork for ice cream, especially in that entire bit. But he's an interesting guy.

Speaker 1 Sean's an interesting guy.

Speaker 2 How is that ever you move?

Speaker 1 If you have no sports spoon, exactly. That's the thing.
No, clean. Yeah, but all your spoons are dirty.

Speaker 2 I mean, it takes, what?

Speaker 1 Two seconds to clean a spoon? No, yeah, but those type of people we're talking about aren't cleaning their spoons. Yeah, but Sean Shrani is the type of guy I think would clean his spoon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's more like American Psycho. I could see him hand over fist.
I mean,

Speaker 1 joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a 25-year NHL veteran, six-time Stanley Cup champion.

Speaker 1 Absolute beast. Incredible on ESPN's coverage of the NHL.
Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Messier.

Speaker 1 How are you doing, brother?

Speaker 6 I'm doing good. I'm not going to eat my ice cream with a fork.
I can guarantee you that.

Speaker 1 Have you ever?

Speaker 6 I can't remember ever doing that, but I don't cut my pasta either, so I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 1 Your what? You don't cut your what?

Speaker 6 My pasta. Some people cut their pasta.
I mean, who does that?

Speaker 1 Okay, so it's a Canadian thing to say pasta. Is that pasta?

Speaker 1 Okay, so sorry about we're eating pasta. Okay, I lost.

Speaker 6 I haven't lost my Canadian accent.

Speaker 1 Good. That's great news, especially in the world that you're in now.

Speaker 1 Moose, let's talk about the finals here. Let's talk about this Florida Panthers team.

Speaker 1 Obviously, last night was just a full ass beating, both fighting, I would say, at the very end, and then also in the game of hockey. What are your thoughts on what the Florida Panthers are doing?

Speaker 1 And was this just a bad game for Edmonton, or is this a sign of what the rest of the series is going to look like, you think?

Speaker 6 Well, it's incredible what the Panthers are doing and the energy and the commitment that they're playing with three straight years to the finals there.

Speaker 6 This is a very impressive hockey team that we're watching right now. They are completely aligned in everything that they do.
You talk about a culture, you talk about having an identity.

Speaker 6 What we're seeing at firsthand with the Florida Panthers right now, what that looks like, what a culture looks like, what an identity looks like, how they play to their systems and how they play to their talent.

Speaker 6 This is incredible to watch, to be honest with you. It was not a good night for Edmonton.
They completely lost their composure. They completely lost.
what they do well in this game.

Speaker 6 You know, they basically took the two greatest players of our generation, of their generation, out of the game by taking just undisciplined penalties, not playing with any discipline whatsoever.

Speaker 6 And it was not a good night for the Edmonton Oilers.

Speaker 6 Having said that, the series is a long way from being over. I know the Oilers are going to regroup, but they can't afford to continue to play like they're playing right now.

Speaker 6 That was not a good look for the Oilers.

Speaker 6 They weren't playing tough. That is not tough hockey.

Speaker 6 What's tough hockey is watching the Florida Panthers play. They're They're playing tough hockey from whistle to whistle.

Speaker 6 And all the other stuff that the Oilers were doing

Speaker 6 after the whistles is not, in my estimation, anyways, called tough hockey.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the Florida Panthers answered all the after-the-whistle stuff that was happening, too. That's kind of their M.O.
They love being in the mud down there in the ice.

Speaker 1 And I like the fact that the team that is the best in hockey right now is a tough team, an actual tough team, this Florida Panthers team. And they take pride in that style of hockey.

Speaker 1 Right there, the last highlight we showed was Sam Bennett getting two hits on two different guys, then I think back checking or whatever, then going down and scoring on the other end. Just

Speaker 1 a sequence here that basically embodies who the Florida Panthers are here as a team. And this is in the Stanley Cup finals.
Go ahead, Mark.

Speaker 6 Oh,

Speaker 6 you just hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 6 You talk about embodying what the Florida Panthers are. This guy is that in every sense.

Speaker 6 He plays with emotion, but he doesn't lose composure by doing it. He plays a 200-foot game.
He can wallop you with a body check like we see on the clip right here.

Speaker 6 But then to have the legs to get up ice or get back down the ice

Speaker 6 after the long shift. This guy is playing at a high, high level right now that I don't think anybody really thought that he could get to.
He played great last year.

Speaker 6 He played great in the Four Nations. You can see the courage that he had in the Four Nations,

Speaker 6 thick and up and fighting for his country against a much bigger opponent, Brady Katruck.

Speaker 6 um this is a great hockey player that uh is really having a great series so far a great playoff in in total but uh

Speaker 1 wow what uh what what a performance he played last with last night yeah he's a favorite to win con smythe right now and uh it's been fun to watch that entire team marshand just seems to fit perfectly down there now with all that being said last night they had six goals five of them seemingly went to the same spot Stick side high.

Speaker 1 D-Bud has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you talked about being physically tough, but mentally tough obviously is very important when you're playing that goalie position.

Speaker 2 Have we seen the last of Stuart Skinner starting in net for this series?

Speaker 6 I don't think so. I think they got to go with Skinner again.

Speaker 6 You know, game four is going to be a must-win for the Oilers there, and they're going to have to put Skinner in there and hope that he can get the job done.

Speaker 6 He didn't have a particular good night, but I don't put it all on Skinner, to be honest with you. I don't think the team played well in front of him.

Speaker 6 We know Skinner, if he gets some time and he can get him speed set, he can make saves there. But they spent the majority of the game

Speaker 6 killing penalties. And Florida did move the puck around really well towards the end when the game was out of hand.
But they have to ride Skinner at this point. There's no question about it.

Speaker 6 I don't see them going, making a change in goal.

Speaker 6 There were some short side goals that you talked about.

Speaker 6 No goalie wants to get beaten on the short side. on some shots that he was beaten on last night.
But let's not forget, those are pretty good shots too.

Speaker 6 A couple of them up on the top corner, like, you know, where, you know, you could thread the needle up there. But

Speaker 6 ultimately, Skinner's going to have to play better. He's going to have to match Buprosky.

Speaker 6 But ultimately, the players themselves, the team in front of them, got to put him in position to be successful. And they didn't do that last night.

Speaker 1 Stu Skin all year. Great.
Got hot during the playoffs. Great.
Then you get, let six past you. I do wonder mentally how you're able to do that.
But there's your point.

Speaker 1 They were all snipes, barred on, posting in, everything hitting tight

Speaker 6 but but yeah he's done that he's done a great job of that his the last two years of of of not playing well and being able to bounce back and come in there and shrug it off uh you talk about being mentally tough you talk about being a tough hockey player that's the kind of toughness that we need to see from the event and oilers the the mental toughness that they have to play with to get back to their game including skinner uh they got to regroup this is a team that has the ability to win a stanley cup they got all the experience they got all the tools that they that that are needed.

Speaker 6 They got to go out there and find a way that makes them successful against a very confident, battle-hardened Florida Panther team.

Speaker 1 It's going to be tough to answer the call here, but I think if anybody could do it, McDavid, Drive Seidel, Stu, and the boys can figure it out. Now, they did show signs of life at the very end.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Moose, they started a five-on-five fight when they were down 5-1 towards the end.
We've seen this time and time and time in the series this year.

Speaker 1 If a team is down a ton of goals, they're like, screw it. We don't care if we get a power play against us.
We're going to start a fight. Is that an unwritten rule that if you're down 5-1

Speaker 1 in a game in a series, you just start fighting?

Speaker 6 Look,

Speaker 6 I just don't see the benefit of it, to be honest with you. I think that if the Oilers want to play tough, they should be playing tough when the game is still in the balance

Speaker 6 from the opening face-off. But the fact is that both teams have to be more disciplined.

Speaker 6 I thought both teams actually took way too many penalties, needless penalties, careless penalties, undisciplined penalties.

Speaker 6 And that should have played well into the Oilers' hands, but it didn't last night. They took too many of their own.

Speaker 6 The Oilers, if they're going to win this series, have to be on the top side of the specialty team units right now. And right now, they're not.

Speaker 6 They weren't particularly good on the power play last night. Their penalty killing struggled.

Speaker 6 And if it continues that way, the Oilers are going to be in tough in this series there. They have to get back to playing a disciplined hockey game, using their balance

Speaker 6 of what we've seen in the playoffs. They were getting balanced scoring in the first three rounds of this playoff series because they were staying out of the penalty box.
They were playing disciplined.

Speaker 6 They were giving themselves an opportunity.

Speaker 6 And when you got two guys like McDavid and Dreisel, give them an opportunity to make plays in the game. Give them an opportunity.

Speaker 6 Even if the game is closed, they should feel comfortable playing in that kind of game because they can make plays all over the ice when it matters most towards the end of the game.

Speaker 6 But right now, they got to regroup.

Speaker 6 I highly suspect that they are going to regroup. They have too much talent.
They have too much experience now.

Speaker 6 They got to really kind of look at what they did in this game and park it, file it, and get themselves ready to play the kind of hockey that we've seen them play throughout the season and the playoffs.

Speaker 1 On that note, Moose, Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Moose, obviously, you mentioned, I mean, it's still early in this series. This thing's not done yet.

Speaker 5 But when you have a situation like last night, where you not only get your ass beat on the scoreboard, but you try to mix things up a little bit and kind of get your, you know, your lunch eaten in a fight like that.

Speaker 5 Are there any residual effects moving forward for a situation like that?

Speaker 6 I don't think so. I mean, like I say, I don't see the benefit of last night.
If I was the Oilers last night, I would have much preferred to see them playing.

Speaker 6 a hard game between whistles, continually taking the body. It was 7-1,

Speaker 6 and the Panthers were still finishing their checks, legally finishing their checks. That's the kind of commitment they put into their team game.

Speaker 6 I would have much, instead of this, I would have much rather have seen the Oilers really playing hard hockey towards the end, really trying to finish your check and punish the Oilers and try to look at this as it's going to go seven games and get the benefits there.

Speaker 6 But by slashing people in the back of the legs and taking cheap penalties, that's not tough hockey.

Speaker 6 That's not doing anything to the Florida Panthers other than embolden them to what they're doing working.

Speaker 1 I love to hear how passionate you are about not only Edmonton and others, which obviously you have history, but just the game itself. Like, hey, this is not how you're tough.

Speaker 1 This is not, you're embarrassing yourself here this is not what we need in this entire thing that's you shaking your head even more as i say that that's exactly what you're saying here

Speaker 6 well i i i'm i'm saying exactly like that there's a way to be tough and a way to play tough but being tough is going back under pressure when the guy is bearing down on you as a defenseman and taking the body check and moving the puck that's tough being tough is getting in front of the net and taking a pounding to score a goal that's tough this stuff is not tough that's not tough hockey and this is not going to win it for you anything at this time of year.

Speaker 6 The Florida Panthers are playing to their identity. The Oilers got to play to their identity.
identity. This is not the Oilers' identity.

Speaker 6 I haven't seen the Oilers, they consider themselves a much bigger, stronger, more aggressive team, but this is not

Speaker 6 the way to be aggressive in the playoffs.

Speaker 6 You know, this is not doing anything to the Florida Panthers,

Speaker 6 in my opinion, anyways.

Speaker 6 I think the Oilers have lost composure. I think they're feeling that they're being bullied.
The Florida Panthers are just playing hard hockey, hard-nose hockey.

Speaker 6 They're finishing their checks every time. The Oilers got to respond.
They got to be able to take it, get themselves up, pick themselves up, and give it back in the same way.

Speaker 6 Between whistles, hard hockey, get to the front of the net, take a check to make a play. That's tough hockey.

Speaker 1 We always heard the captain speak to the team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it feels like that's what I felt like I was in the

Speaker 1 change room with you there. I feel like after the game, that is exactly what you would have said.
That's what you want Connor to say basically in there to the boys.

Speaker 1 Hopefully the message finds its home. Now away from the series there's other stuff happening around the NHL.
Obviously it is a professional league. There are people that get fired.

Speaker 1 There are people that move on. There's new jobs.
Connor has a question for you Moose. Yeah Moose did you see Pete DeBoer's comments after the stars were eliminated about Otter?

Speaker 1 I know a lot of people, especially stars fans, weren't happy about it. What did you think about all of that?

Speaker 1 He kind of threw Otter under the bus and then things got contentious, I guess, in the exit interviews with players just around their feelings about it.

Speaker 1 And do you think that's probably the right move for the stars to go in a different direction just because they haven't been able to kind of get over that hump since DeBoer's been there?

Speaker 6 Yeah, look, Pete DeBoer is a great guy. I have a lot of respect for him as a coach.
His record speaks for itself. It was a puzzling move that he made at that point.

Speaker 6 As a leader, you're looking for your leader to stabilize things.

Speaker 6 To me, it it seemed like a rash decision. I'm not sure why he did it, other than maybe some frustration.

Speaker 6 But I think the players and everybody else were just as much a shock as we were. And obviously, that's what happened.
But, you know, composure

Speaker 6 is very, very important when the pressure's on and when the pressure gets to its highest levels.

Speaker 6 And you're looking for your leaders to make really good decisions and keep a level head and keep the, you know, everything kind of simmering

Speaker 6 and give the team confidence that you believe in them.

Speaker 6 I didn't think it was a good move. And ultimately, he paid for the price for it.

Speaker 1 How much can a coach change things? For instance, I'm a Pittsburgh Penguins fan and I seen Coach Muse for the first time on a photo that, you know.

Speaker 2 Please. He's changing things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you heard his voice though. I heard his voice too.
He's got a deeper voice and it's like, okay, I know nothing about this guy.

Speaker 1 I think I probably should, but I know nothing about him other than this photo in one 30-second clip of listening to him speak. Whenever you get a new coach in town, what should we be looking for? Like

Speaker 1 if he's had success in previous places, his style of coaching, like in hockey, what is the most important thing for a coach to be able to do?

Speaker 1 More specifically, this Pittsburgh Penguin scene getting back in the Stanley Cup conversation.

Speaker 6 Well, you can throw away all the X and O's there because I think it's pretty much a copycat league and everybody's trying to basically doing the same systems and whether you can communicate that well is another thing.

Speaker 6 To me, it's all about can you inspire a player? Can you help the player believe in himself and then the team? Can you give them a roadmap and

Speaker 6 a belief system that what we're going to do and how we're going to approach this year is going to bring us success and then see success on top of that. That to me is

Speaker 6 what makes a great coach.

Speaker 6 And I think that some do it very well and we've seen a history of coaches that have lasted a long time.

Speaker 6 You know, I just have so much respect for the coaching institution and

Speaker 6 the people that do it really, really, really, really well. And it's not easy.
There's a lot of things that coaches have to deal with.

Speaker 6 But ultimately, you're talking about interpersonal relationships as a head coach. You're talking about how to can I get the best out of this player.

Speaker 6 You have to get to know that player on a deep level.

Speaker 6 Because sometimes players need a kick in the ass. Other times they need a pat in the back.
You can't treat every player the same.

Speaker 6 There's so much that goes into the psychology of coaching and to get the best of your players.

Speaker 6 But the guys that do it well, and we're seeing a classic case of this happening in Florida right now with Paul Maurice, a seasoned veteran coach has had a lot of failures in his coaching career.

Speaker 6 He's learned a lot. But when you see the coach and the player relationship that we're seeing in Florida right now, that is a higher level as it gets.

Speaker 6 The synergy, the belief, the trust,

Speaker 6 the inspiring

Speaker 6 relationship,

Speaker 6 and what you're seeing, the net result of that is the way they're playing on the ice and collectively together.

Speaker 6 The coach gives the players a voice in the room. There has to be peer pressure in the room.

Speaker 6 And if there's not, the coach can't fix that. The coach has to let the players drive the bus.

Speaker 6 Maurice has done an amazing job of doing that, all the while giving them guidance and correction along the way.

Speaker 6 But that's what it looks like in its purest form.

Speaker 6 And I know there's many other examples that we've seen in other sports and with great coaches from Phil Jackson to Pat Riley and all the greatest coaches that ever coached.

Speaker 6 You know, Bill Walton talking about the great coach in UCLA saying that they never used to even talk about basketball. They used to talk about life.

Speaker 6 And that's one of the greatest coaches of all time. So,

Speaker 6 yeah, we're seeing a really great example of it in Florida right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mo seemingly speaks for the group. The culture in football normally driven by the coach.
Coach will want to set the culture. You know, GM gets the players.
Coach sets the culture.

Speaker 1 Players have to institute culture. Players always have to police themselves.
Every sport. We're adults.
Locker room has to control locker room.

Speaker 1 But the coach is the one that's basically saying, hey, this is the type of team we're going to be. This is what I want it to be.
Here's the thoughts.

Speaker 1 Same thing in hockey, like that Florida Panthers culture. Marshawn goes down there.
We know exactly what their culture is.

Speaker 1 We watch them. We know exactly what their culture is.
Is that Mo setting a tempo and then Kachuck and the boys taking it as their own?

Speaker 6 Well, I think it goes from ownership right down to the general manager, right down to the coaching staff.

Speaker 6 And they have a belief system of what the culture is going to be and then how they're going to actually play the game. And then you identify players that can fit into that culture.

Speaker 6 And then when they come into the team, you have the leadership that enables those players to come in and be themselves and their own personalities, but actually play to the system.

Speaker 6 There has to be a belief system inside the locker room that what we're doing is correct. The way we're going to play, the way we're going to try to win the Stanley Cup is correct.

Speaker 6 And so far, the Florida Panthers have done a great job identifying a way to win in the league as it sits right now. They play hard-nosed, old school hockey that we haven't seen, and it's working.

Speaker 6 They're big, they're strong, they're skilled, but they're

Speaker 6 most important than anything, they're dedicated to their system. They're dedicated to the culture, and they got the leadership to

Speaker 6 spread the word when they have new players assimilate into

Speaker 6 the system like they have again this year. Eight or nine or seven or eight new guys again this year that have been brought in, wrapped their arms around them, bring them into the fold.

Speaker 6 Show them what the Florida Panther way is on and off the ice. That's building a culture.

Speaker 6 You know, sometimes culture gets way too overused and nobody even knows what the hell they're talking about when they're talking about culture, but we're seeing it right now with the Florida Panthers.

Speaker 1 Everybody's trying to get one. Only a few have it.
And those people are the ones that play the longest seasons in all the leagues because they're the ones that are winning. Let's talk about winning.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about what you're doing today.

Speaker 1 I believe you are golfing at an outing for Answer the Call. I just looked up this information.

Speaker 1 New York Police and Fire Widows and Children's Benefit Fund, who has been supporting heroes and their families of the New York Fire Department, New York Police Police Department, PAPD.

Speaker 1 I don't think I know what that is.

Speaker 1 I said Port Authority. Port Authority.
Port Authority, okay, Police Department, since 1985. Thank you for doing that.
And thank you to Answer the Call.

Speaker 1 How long have you been working with Answer the Call? And what does today look like for you?

Speaker 6 Well, today is always an amazing day when we're here supporting the families that have lost their loved ones in the line of duty to protect all of us.

Speaker 6 I've been on the board somewhere around 10 years now, maybe.

Speaker 6 you know shortly after 9-11 Rusty Stobbs started this charity way back when to help the families that have lost their their their fathers or mothers or sisters or brothers in the line of duty after 9-11 it put so much pressure on the charity to come up with the funds to actually take care of these kids and these families New York has supported this charity unbelievably through the years,

Speaker 6 obviously for all the right reasons. New York has stood up and been counted when it matters most.
And

Speaker 6 it's been an incredible experience for me, the relationship that I have with the NYPD and the Port Authority and the FDNY.

Speaker 6 But most importantly, supporting these families, especially after 9-11, when it puts so much pressure on all these families financially.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah, Moose. We appreciate you doing that.
We appreciate, obviously, those who serve our community because, you know, those who run towards danger as opposed to away from it are a superhero.

Speaker 1 So you paying tribute to them.

Speaker 3 I agree with that, buddy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you paying tribute to them and their families and helping them out. You're a good man, Mark.
We appreciate the hell out of you. We'll talk to you soon.
All right, Moose.

Speaker 6 Yeah, man, let's go.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 You've given two, three speeches today that have made me want to put the boots on and skate through a wall, ladies and gentlemen. Six times Standing Cup champion, Mark Messier.
Hey, Moose.

Speaker 2 Six times.

Speaker 1 Six times. It's 25 years.
Bro,

Speaker 1 he lived in a change room. Yeah, I mean, he's still in it.

Speaker 5 That was awesome. He's still in it.

Speaker 1 He's going to hit the ball 400 yards off the tee today.

Speaker 5 He's pissed. He's pissed at the Oilers.

Speaker 1 That's not what toughness is. Tough isn't slashing or hitting guys behind the legs around the wrists, getting your ass beat in fights.

Speaker 1 Toughness is standing in front of a goal, sacrificing your body so you can score. Take a hit, move the pocket.
Toughness is knowing that you're going to take a hit, still doing it.

Speaker 2 Finishing your checks.

Speaker 1 Listen to him, like him in the change room. You can see him doing one of these.
You think you're tough? You think that's not tough. And then all you're doing is empowering them.

Speaker 1 That is what they want to do. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 That was literally him just getting dropped right back into Edmonton being like,

Speaker 1 you think that's tough. Think about him watching that game.
Oh, God. These mother.
So pissed. The amount of pride he has for Edmonton, too.

Speaker 1 Like, he's not biased, but he's definitely pulling for the Oilers. All right, we have some updated

Speaker 1 out and out.

Speaker 1 Connor, I think they're going to rouse him. Maybe it might not be.
I don't know. I think Connor's going to gather the team and say to him, that's not Dop.

Speaker 1 That was awesome. He was literally giving him a speech.

Speaker 1 Hey, I don't know if you're listening. Dry side old fucking stew, you need to stop.

Speaker 1 I'm making all the excuses for you.

Speaker 1 Need to stick by him. He's the guy.

Speaker 2 Get his ass back out there.

Speaker 1 He's done. That's Florida Panthers fan.

Speaker 2 No, no, get him back. Hey, look, he's showing it.
Mark Mills. He's really going to bounce back, you know, and play hot.
Someone in Gumpy said he would turn back into a pumpkin. I'm glad he did.

Speaker 2 But we'll see if he bounced back.

Speaker 1 Gumpy also, not good. Conkeifa loses to the number two team in TST in the semifinals.
I don't know if you saw the finals last night. Electrifying.
So good. Absolutely electrifying.
Bad pitch.

Speaker 1 Bumpy pitch. The last bumpy pitch.

Speaker 7 I was glad to see they were calling slide tackles last night.

Speaker 1 So Gumpy and the refs of TST certainly have a relationship. I don't know if it's necessarily a great relationship, but it's certainly a relationship.

Speaker 1 Gumpy told me, because I was not able to be there, Gumpy told me that the refs told him, I missed the call. I forgot that was the rule.
I'm so sorry. And then Gumpy says, you're terrible or something.

Speaker 1 And then the guy said, I was just trying to tell the truth, man. And Gumpy said, you shouldn't have.
You should have lied to me.

Speaker 1 This is shit.

Speaker 7 He said he forgot the rule. And then his assistant said, I told you the rule three times in your year.
And he said he didn't hear that. So it was a few things there.
And then it got to where we were.

Speaker 1 And then a ref goes, I was just trying to tell the truth. And Gumpy goes, you're shite.
And you're shite.

Speaker 1 Did you hear the other ref story? Uh-uh.

Speaker 1 The picture went out of the Com CAFA team and Connor texted Gumpy and said, Why are you not in this picture? He said, I was yelling at the ref. Oh, yeah, whenever we got a whole team photo.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Gumpy was over there in the middle of the pitch just letting him have it. We won that game.
Yeah, huge one. So we just got to do it.

Speaker 1 Oh, Brick shed apologies, too. I'm so sorry, Brecht.
Yeah. You were not long in the tooth.
Grella, I told you.

Speaker 1 Hey, hey, Grella, time to hang up the boots, lad. No, no, Gretla.

Speaker 1 He played that ball in the Brex winner.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 We got to correct a story. Shamar Stewart, we said his agent must be a super genius.
It's kind of slotted in there. What are we doing? You're the 17th overall pick.
The CBA has this thing.

Speaker 1 Pro Football Talks Mike Flurio has reported, as previously explained, so I guess he has done this before. Not enough people saw it, and that is what he is saying.

Speaker 1 The Bengals have decided to wedge a new clause into Shaddar Stewart's deal. The clause would turn a default in any given year into a void of all remaining guarantees.

Speaker 1 In prior Bengals contracts, a void wiped out only the guarantee for the year in which the default occurred.

Speaker 1 Stewart refuses to be the guinea pig for the new term and the banglers refuse to blink as a result shamar stewart will be less prepared for training camp than he would have been okay so the banglers are doing bangladesh

Speaker 1 i respect it i respect

Speaker 1 i like what the agent's doing i'm not gonna be the first one what are you how am i supposed to tell he's also a young agent yeah so i'm a young agent i'm supposed to just tell this yeah for the first time ever we're agreeing this up no way why are the bangles doing this they're the worst that's new and to shamar and the agent we apologize for not knowing that before florio tried to tell us

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Speaker 1 Hello, beautiful people, and welcome back to our humble abode, the Thunderdome.

Speaker 1 On this off-season football Tuesday, June 10th, 2025, our two of the program begins now.

Speaker 1 Sports are happening all around us. We just got a chance to chit-chat with Mark Messier.

Speaker 1 I read one person on X who runs like a coaching leadership university say that Mark Messier just put on a masterclass on building culture, leadership, and coaching others on this particular program.

Speaker 1 And I agree. There was three different speeches he gave that I wanted to go run through the nearest wall and go get the job done.

Speaker 1 Will the Edmonton Oilers adhere to his advice, adhere to his leadership, and answer the call after the Florida Panthers win 6-1 last night down in Florida and take a commanding 2-1 lead in the Stanley Cup final?

Speaker 1 They could go back to back as Stanley Cup champions for the eighth time in the league's history. They'd be a dynasty that people would be forced to talk about forever.

Speaker 1 And are they done just after this season? I don't think so. They're seemingly continue to be on the rise down there in Sunrise, Florida, with Kachuck, Sam Bennett, and all the boys buzzing.

Speaker 1 McConnor McDavid, Dry Seidel, Stuart Skinner, and boys from Edmonton have a chance to represent all of Canada to be the first Canadian franchise to win the Standing Cup since 1892. Yeah.
Jeez.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was that? Salem Woods Trials.

Speaker 7 1993.

Speaker 1 Feels like it's been since 1814 since a Canadian program has won the Stanley Cup. Their game, our league, we win again.
The Florida Panthers, obviously, filled with a bunch of Canadian players.

Speaker 1 No Canadian players down there. No Canadian products.
No Canadian accents. No, nothing

Speaker 1 on that Florida Panthers team. With that being said, Connor McDavid on the other side, worth the watch, and I'll be excited to see how he answers.

Speaker 1 I assume there's some cameras behind the scenes somewhere. Can't wait to see how the entire year has kind of this guy.

Speaker 1 has been a Stanley Cup final against the Stanley Cup champions. Against that dynasty team I was just chit-chatting about.
That could be.

Speaker 1 That was against that team in one of the biggest games of the entire. Hi.

Speaker 1 Hi.

Speaker 1 Oh, come on.

Speaker 1 That guy's on the other team. And the Florida Panthers beat them 6-1 somehow last night.
Will they be able to continue this run? We shall see.

Speaker 1 The NBA finals continues tomorrow night here in Indianapolis, Indiana. We will be live outside the site of tomorrow night's game, the Gainbridge Field House at Bicentennial Plaza, starting at noon.

Speaker 1 Beautiful backdrop. We would actually do the show there every day if we could because of how nice the backdrop is.
It's the nicest backdrop we've ever had.

Speaker 1 So getting a chance to go down there and celebrate the NBA Finals. If you're in town from Oklahoma City, please feel free to stop by.

Speaker 1 Obviously, if you're in the area not working, which could be a difficult thing, please come through. I believe summer has hit for a lot of schools, college and high school and everything like that.

Speaker 1 I think tomorrow should be a fun day. It's going to be downtown Indianapolis with perfect weather.
Yeah. Celebrating this Indiana Pacers team, who obviously is tied in the NBA Finals.
Game one's ours.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Halliburton called game. Game two, they kind of did their thing.
They did their thing to the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 1 Now Oklahoma City's favored by five and a half in Indiana. We shall see.
We'll be kicking it all off tomorrow. The talks and tables here at Boss Conner at Ty Schmick.
Go ahead, comment.

Speaker 1 OKC's 0-7 against the spread as a favorite on the road, I believe, was the stat that was sent in. One half of the hammer, Don.

Speaker 1 On the other side, the Pacers are completely defeated in game three, so one of those is going to have to bust. Yeah, the game three thing with the Pacers is very real.

Speaker 1 They've been up 2-0 in all the other series, I believe.

Speaker 1 Yes, they've stolen them on the road because they were obviously lower ranked than everybody else that they've had to play against because the Indiana Pacers beginning of their season was us.

Speaker 1 Oklahoma City has been playing great since the beginning of the season. Oklahoma City is the team that everybody said we should be talking more about.
SJ is going to be the MVP. He was.

Speaker 1 Chet Holmgrim's not just good for bad commercials. He's also good on the court.
He is. This coach, Daggs, which people are calling a lot of different names, wizard, genius.

Speaker 1 This Oklahoma City fan base, best in best atmosphere in the NBA. People have been saying that all year about this Oklahoma City team.
For the Indiana Pacers, nobody's been saying that but us.

Speaker 1 Although since February, they've had the best record in the NBA alongside the Oklahoma City Thunder. They were kind of outcast, overrated is what everybody said.
No chance of going on a run.

Speaker 1 Well, now what? In the finals.

Speaker 1 1-1.

Speaker 1 First home game coming. I'll be excited to see how the Pacers answer after a loss.
Haven't lost lost back-to-back games since March.

Speaker 1 It's a long time. Since March.
Haven't won a game three. So that's going to have to give as well.
Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here.

Speaker 1 It's going to come down to that man right there.

Speaker 2 Halley. It's going to come down to Halle.
How does he set the tone? Obviously, with this series, he's going to have to score more.

Speaker 2 He's going to have to be aggressive from the jump to get his team going. We know how he does distributing the ball.

Speaker 2 But turning it up and turning up his aggressiveness on the offensive end late in the game, I don't think that's going to work against this OKC team because they just keep keep going, going, going, going the whole 60 minutes.

Speaker 2 So I'm sure Carlisle will have the boys ready to roll, and I'm excited about this matchup tomorrow for sure. Me too.

Speaker 1 Game Bridge should be buzzing. I believe we'll be in there.
I cannot wait to feel that, you know, the finals atmosphere. Oh, yeah, it's different.

Speaker 1 Just like the conference finals, final four minutes,

Speaker 1 Connor pointed it out and was like, hey, this is it. This is it right here.
There's a buzz that is palpable throughout this entire arena. The Pacers are going to the finals.

Speaker 1 Holy hell, we just won the Eastern Conference. Last year, we made it to the Eastern Conference finals.
Nobody expected us to do it.

Speaker 1 Nobody talked about it because we got swept by the Boston Celtics who inevitably go. We're back.
We win it. Now we're going to the actual finals.
How do you feel? We feel great.

Speaker 1 I think that's how Oklahoma City fans feel as well. It's a great time for us to be fans.
We're going to enjoy the shit out of it. It's going to be loud.
It's going to be a good environment.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a great game. Pasco C.
Occam going bananas would be sweet too. Yeah, eat one of those.
Yeah, that would be very cool.

Speaker 1 Watching him do a couple of those wow whoop-de-woos that he does those things with. He is absolutely spectacular spectacular to watch in person because he's way too tall to be moving the way he is.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to see this guy. Six foot six, they say true.
SGA with the way he moves and everything he does. Thanks.
Cannot wait to watch. It's going to be fun.
Should be exciting tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 Okay, we start at noon tomorrow. Come join us outside.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, live from an attic in Ohio is a man who's college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, run a cup winner, father of 10, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk.

Speaker 1 Hawker, obviously, big news around the sports world. Last night, the Panthers get a big time win.
They're up 2-1. The NBA Finals continues.
Tomorrow night will be live noon outside Gambridge.

Speaker 1 A lot of football talk, AJ. A lot of football talk.
And let's start with a man that is your best friend. Aaron Rodgers went to a golf outing yesterday.
All the Pittsburgh's buzzing. They love him.

Speaker 1 They love that he's there. Have you gotten a sense from Aaron on how he feels? And this morning, Zach Frazier was speaking to the media.

Speaker 1 He's the center for the Pittsburgh Steelers out of West Virginia University, formerly of Morgantown High School, where West Virginia University is based. Absolute dog for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 He said, Aaron Rodgers addressed the team this morning and told them he's all in from here on. Wasn't able to commit.

Speaker 1 I think Aaron's message has been very clear this entire offseason if you're willing to listen. Now, if everything he says, you think to yourself, oh, bullshit, I hate this guy.

Speaker 1 You're never going to hear this. But if you listen to what he says, he's been telling the truth the entire time.
I'm not able to commit. to anybody through OTAs.
So I can't do that.

Speaker 1 That is just something that I, in my life, I cannot do right now. After OTAs, I can make a decision then if you're cool with that.

Speaker 1 The Steelers, I guess behind closed doors, created an offense for Aaron Rodgers. I guess they had a lot of faith that Aaron Rodgers was going to commit after OTAs.

Speaker 1 They were very okay with a 40-plus-year-old, 20-year-plus future first ballot Hall of Famer, Mount Rushmore football player missing the voluntary OTAs. So they've been ready for him.

Speaker 1 Seems like he's probably been ready for him.

Speaker 1 And now in Pittsburgh, after he goes to Cam Hayward's golf outing and meets people and showcases a little bit of you know positivity in the city and embracing the city I think all of Pittsburgh's excited for him age what are you hearing from Aaron Yeah, I mean, I think Aaron is very engaged and he's he's juiced.

Speaker 3 I think anytime you have like a change of scenery, anytime it's something new, like think about that, walking into a new facility, like everything is new, even though you're what, 20 years into your NFL career and you've won the Super Bowl and MVPs and all of this, I still think something new and novel can energize you.

Speaker 3 Now, I know we said this about the Jets Hole situation. We saw how that worked out.
That was obviously a brutal situation with the Achilles to kick it off, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think maybe people's expectations aren't as sky high as they were when he first joined the Jets. So maybe

Speaker 3 we're on the path for some good things for this Pittsburgh Steelers team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I absolutely agree with what you're saying. I don't think anybody outside of the Pittsburgh Steelers,

Speaker 1 maybe locker room in family members, are saying, let's win a Super Bowl with this team. You know, every team has to have that mindset.

Speaker 1 Every team in the locker room is like, hey, we're going to win a Super Bowl. We're going to have a team that's going to to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 Joe Thomas, legendary Cleveland Brown, never made the playoffs. Never even thought about making a playoffs.
No. He's a Hall of Famer, this guy, for one team.

Speaker 1 He said every year they went into the season thinking they were going to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 He said there was never a moment where he was like, you know what, this team is going to end up being completely defeated. Now, as the season's going on, I'm sure those moments cracked in.

Speaker 1 But in training camp, in the offseason, at some point you have to believe that what you're doing is right. So in the Pittsburgh Steelers locker room, I assume there's a lot of belief.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, look what we were able to do without Aaron Rodgers. We get Aaron Rodgers in here, another year with Arthur Smith's offense.
Our defense is always going to be good.

Speaker 1 Special team is going to be good. The AFC North is obviously going to be difficult, but why not us? If we get in, we can go on a run.
But I don't think there's many even Steelers fans like saying,

Speaker 1 definitely going to win the Super Bowl this year. I think they're going to be better.
I think Steelers fans think they're going to be better. I think they're going to win more games.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to have a chance to do a playoff run. But I don't think anybody's like guaranteeing a Super Bowl.
like what was kind of happening with the Jets. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was kind of happening with the Jets because of how desperate the Jets fans have been to feel that feeling. That was like the first time, long time they've even been able to be like, yeah,

Speaker 1 we can win a Super Bowl. That was the Jets world.
Steelers' world, vastly different.

Speaker 1 It's just like, think we can be better, think we can win some playoff games, but it's not like a guarantee that a Super Bowl is coming like what it felt in the Jets.

Speaker 1 No, I haven't seen any Steelers fans saying like, oh, we're definitely going to the Super Bowl because we got Aaron Rodgers. The majority of them

Speaker 1 are pretty level-headed and thinking that Aaron definitely gives them a better possibility to win football games, maybe get a playoff win.

Speaker 1 But no, I haven't heard anyone say that they're going to the Super Bowl, but it's awesome to see Aaron assimilate himself so quickly with the boys.

Speaker 1 What was there, like 25 guys at the golf outing in that photo? Shout out to Cam Hayward, by the way, continuing to be a pillar in the city of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Yep.

Speaker 1 Legend in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and also legend in football. Guys, future Hall of Famer, good on him getting all the boys there.

Speaker 1 Well, Well, getting all the boys, like, it shows you just how great of a leader he is. He's also former Walter Payton man of the year, so he's always doing stuff for the community.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 But to see Aaron there, to see Aaron, that Aaron's comfortable enough to stand up in front of the team today and say that he's all in. He's locker mates with Fire Muth.

Speaker 1 And I saw a report that he's going to go with Muth to the U.S. Open as well this week.

Speaker 1 Oh, Pittsburgh's alive. He's already part of the team.
I think Aaron said he wants to go to Plum High School, too. He does, yeah.

Speaker 1 Why not? He wants to go see the Mustangs a little bit.

Speaker 1 There's somebody in Plum that heard that that thinks that's real. I'm making that up.
Okay, he is not.

Speaker 3 They should do a training camp practice from Plum. I know the Bengals used to come to Centerville High School and have a whole day of camp in full pads at our high school.
It was a gigantic event.

Speaker 2 Don't do anything the Bengals do.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry to the players, actually.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry to the players, actually. I don't want Pittsburgh to have to get in buses and travel and dress in high school locker rooms.

Speaker 1 Wait, man, the Steelers say, yeah, we're on that. And then, you know, it's kind of.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but if they were to do it, Plum would be a great home. Hey, Plum would love to have you.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is a man who probably knows more about what's going on in Cincinnati than we do. I would hope he does.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you read the same report that we did about Florio and what Florio is reporting about the number 17 overall pick not agreeing to a deal yet with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 1 The way Florio is reporting it, as previously explained, I've reported this before. Okay.

Speaker 1 As previously explained. This ain't the first time.
I'm like, nobody's listening to me, obviously. Bingo, he's like, everybody keeps saying the wrong shit, which we were one of them.

Speaker 1 So we appreciate him saying that he has reported this before and we missed it. We apologize for missing it.
Yeah, the Bengals are exercising a new clause.

Speaker 1 We dug through the CBA, figured out that we could actually void all the years remaining instead of just the year that the whatever takes place happens.

Speaker 1 So we're going to try this out with the number 17 overall pick. And his agent said, I'm young, but I'm not that dumb.
Can't be doing that to me.

Speaker 1 So now there's no end in sight because I assume the Cincinnati Bangladesh are like set precedent with this deal. This is what we would like the future deals to look like.

Speaker 1 And Shamar Stewart and his agent are like, no, how is that? Why is that our life?

Speaker 1 And then I assume his agent is saying, why don't you guys figure out Trey Hendrickson, too, if you're going to be trying to sneak new clauses into our world? Joining us now.

Speaker 1 Insider, analyst, Emmy Award winner, friend of the program, New York Knicks Super fan. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schraker.

Speaker 1 Shrakes, okay, so we saw Florio say, as previously explained, which was him saying, you should have seen this or known this a long time ago.

Speaker 1 The Bengals are trying to put in a new clause into Shamar Stewart's contract this has not happened with previous bangles draft contracts is how florio is reporting it do you have you heard anything out of this and what are your thoughts on this i thought the cba regulated exactly how much everybody's getting when i guess that's not the case strikes Well, it used to be the assumption the last several years that where you're drafted is kind of what you're paid.

Speaker 10 So the idea of a rookie holdout would be completely illogical. You're going to get paid what you're owed just based on the structure of it.
Now, I think Shamar Stewart's agent's an interesting guy.

Speaker 10 Zach Hiller is his name. He's also James Cook's agent and he was Dalvin Cook's agent.
And he's a young cat. He's about 30 years old and he kind of beats to his own drum.

Speaker 10 And he's saying what he's saying. And the Bengals are saying what they're saying.

Speaker 10 And if you're going to take it for its word, you would look at the Bengals' handling of the Trey Hendrickson situation and say, well, that seems pretty unorthodox as well.

Speaker 10 And a little unkosher with how that's being done.

Speaker 10 But they weren't just going to take the deal that was given to Shamar Stewart. He hasn't stepped foot on a practice field.
And that was including rookie minicamp. And that's including this mini camp.

Speaker 10 And guess what?

Speaker 10 Training camp's right around the corner, and you almost think to draft the 17th overall pick as a defensive end and a physical freak to be the guy who could ultimately replace Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 10 And there seems to be contract issues with both of them.

Speaker 10 Not the case in 31 other training camps, but it seems to be the case in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we see where strength sits in this entire thing. And for that last statement, a lot of Bengals fans are saying,

Speaker 1 why you guys got to bury us? It's like, because this shit does happen with you guys. All the time.
And it seemingly doesn't happen anywhere else. Now, will Duke be able to take care of it? I assume.

Speaker 1 I assume when push comes to shove, this will all get sorted. This will all get figured out.
Like, I think the Trey Hendrickson deal will get figured out. Like, I think that will happen.

Speaker 1 I think there will be some sort of agreement, or maybe it gets traded. I think there will be a decision that gets figured out.
Shamar Stewart has to be on the field for training camp.

Speaker 1 I mean, this isn't even like

Speaker 1 number 17 overall. I feel like they get it figured out.
Why do these teams continue to push things down the road, though?

Speaker 1 Now, I guess we could say Shamar Stewart could have taken a deal earlier, too, so we we could put blame on him. But let's look at the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 We always talk about Aaron Rodgers being there. Cam Hayward putting things together.
TJ Watt missing minicamp. Terry McLaurin missing minicamp.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of guys that are missing minicamp for one reason or another. Most of them just business reasons.
What are your thoughts on how some of these teams handle things?

Speaker 1 And when you look at these guys, what do you think is probable outcomes for any of them?

Speaker 10 Well, I really appreciated Mike McDaniel's candid honesty today, saying John New and Jalen aren't there, and I don't have updates on the trades, and it's unfortunate they're not there because of business and for John E.

Speaker 10 Smith's case it sounds like he was sick and tired of hearing his name mentioned in trade talk so I'm not going to come to this um McLaurin obviously contract situation Stewart rare rookie deal Hendrickson contract situation then we got TJ Watt you had JJ in there a week ago and JJ Watt was like I'm not talking on this obviously something's brewing TJ Watt probably saw the offseason in which Miles Garrett got paid what he got paid saw some of these other top pass pushers being paid and says well what about me fortunately he's got years left on his contract fascinating when you get these that go and bleed into this because the last thing you want is for it to dominate your training camp and that is what the 49ers have had the last several years so this year they decided to nip it in the bud and pay their guys Purdy Warner Kittle before we even get to this point Two different strategies.

Speaker 10 Do you play hardball? Do you play chicken? Do you let this thing drag on as a team? Or do you say, well, we want you. You want to be done.

Speaker 10 Let's get it done now so we can avoid any drama heading into the season i believe a lot of 49ers people thought what was going on with brain iuk last year that bled all the way into late august had a direct response to how the season went because everyone was dealing with that all summer so to me it's fascinating how these front offices work Omar Khan, obviously, pulled a rabbit out of his hat, and I think the Rodgers situation might not have been as seamless as everyone wants, but right now it's Kumbayan.

Speaker 10 You'll see him speak today, and all is good. This one, though, if you're a Steelers fan, fan, is almost more important because it's TJ Watt.
It's one of ours. It's our guy.

Speaker 10 It's our defensive player of the year. And that's the heart and soul of our team.
Can we take care of that as well?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Aaron getting $10 million guaranteed, I think, is great news for Pittsburgh Steelers fans and how they view it.

Speaker 1 TJ Watt, the last person introduced whenever the defense is introduced onto the field for at home games. So obviously he's a pillar piece, but him.

Speaker 1 potentially getting 35 40 million a year versus aaron getting 10 million a year is certainly the piece of the conversation in the entirety.

Speaker 1 I'll be excited to see how Omar Khan gets TJ to sign it because everybody assumes TJ remains with the Pittsburgh Steelers. But what if he isn't? What if TJ Watt isn't a Pittsburgh Steeler?

Speaker 1 What if TJ Watt is playing somewhere else? What if Joan got

Speaker 1 TJ left Houston? That's not possible. He's a one-helmet guy.
Omar's going to get it done. Like you talked about, we haven't paid the quarterbacks in, what, three years?

Speaker 1 We haven't had to pay a quarterback since Ben retired, really.

Speaker 1 Top of the market money. So like the money's out there.
TJ is going to get paid. He's going to get what he deserves, which is a dollar more than Miles Garrett.
And then we're just going to play full.

Speaker 1 Maybe it will be an actual dollar more. Now, another guy you mentioned there, AJ, has a question about.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Shriggs with Trey Henderson. Personally,

Speaker 3 I don't think they come to terms and find a way to get him a new contract.

Speaker 3 I just feel like with what's been going on, him showing up in the golf clothes and speaking to the media to let everyone know like his side of the story. I don't see a deal happening.

Speaker 3 What do you think personally happens with Trey in Cincinnati? And can they trade him? Where could he possibly go? Like, what do you think happens here before the season?

Speaker 10 This one's sticky because he's beloved and he's beloved in the locker room and the team really likes him.

Speaker 10 He mentioned on your show, he met his wife in Cincinnati. He had his kid in Cincinnati.
He wants to be a Bengal and simply saying, look at the market. It doesn't make sense for what I'm being paid.

Speaker 10 I can tell you, the Bengals approached this offseason with two priorities. Somehow, some way, getting T.
Higgins and Jamar Chase to remain a Cincinnati Bengals in their free agent contract years.

Speaker 10 And guess what? They did it. Then they get this bomb dropped on them around the Combine that Trey Hendrickson wants to be paid 30, 40 million.
And they didn't budget for that.

Speaker 10 They didn't prepare for that. Now they've had some time with him not only speaking on your show, but also speaking to the local media, showing up in what appeared to be a golf attire, said, here I am.

Speaker 10 I'm going to talk to you guys openly.

Speaker 10 There has been enough time if they wanted to get this done, they could have figured this out and found a way to find the budget and the numbers before training camp.

Speaker 10 They haven't moved heaven and earth to do that. So they're at a standstill right now.
And he's gone about it in such an unorthodox way. He's not going through an agent.
He's not going on some podcast.

Speaker 10 He's like, I'm going to show up in my golf attire, be on the sidelines, and I am also going to go on McAfee and going to speak with Pat directly about how I feel.

Speaker 10 Everyone feels he's a good guy and he's done this right. He's turning 31.

Speaker 10 They look at dollars and cents and they look at a pie as a budget. And does this pie make sense to have that much of our salary cap devoted to a guy who led the league in sacks last year?

Speaker 10 But we don't know if he's the future of this franchise.

Speaker 1 So Trey Hendrickson's saying, with that being said, let me go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 Let me go somewhere else. Let me figure that out.
And the Bengals are like, nah, you're still under contract with us, I think. Isn't that kind of you want me to train away the sack king? Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And Trey Hendrickson's trying to do it the right way.

Speaker 1 But it's the wrong way. Trying hard.
It's so expensive. That's the thing.

Speaker 10 I think that's interesting. So the right way might mean not necessarily the stupid.
Yes, he's talking openly and being transparent and putting his heart on his sleeve.

Speaker 10 He's also not living up to his contract.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, he would say I lived up way past my contract because I'm the sack king with how much I got paid in the entirety of it all.

Speaker 1 But then with you saying he's missing mandatory minicamp, like that's also part of the contract. And then Trey Henderson would say, well, I was here for a voluntary day.
You saw me.

Speaker 1 I was in golf clothes. So we can make one of those days, go back to the other side.

Speaker 1 His mindset, like every time he comes on with us, it's very obvious that he does not want to, like, I do not want to have to do this, but I have to do this.

Speaker 1 Like, I have to, this is the way the world works now. Him following up and talking to local media,

Speaker 1 I think that was kind of unexpected on our end. But it's like Trey is,

Speaker 1 I think Duke knows. I think the Brown family knows, Katie.
I think that, like, is Trey going to, will Trey hold out? Trey will skip games? We'll see.

Speaker 10 I hate testing a guy's loyalty like that. And, you know, very quietly this offseason.
Like, Sam Hubbard's like the heart and soul of that building. And, you know, and then you had Pratt yesterday.

Speaker 10 Like, these are, these are guys that were instrumental in beating the Kansas City Chiefs that year in the AFC Championship game, instrumental in getting them back to the AFC Championship game the next year.

Speaker 10 You don't just snap your fingers and say, okay, we found those guys.

Speaker 10 At the very least, the thread to those defenses that Coach Lou Enarumo had to this Al Golden defense could be the SAC champion in Trey Hendrickson. You'd like to see them figure out a way.

Speaker 10 And the fact he wears his heart in his sleeve endears the fans, but it might not to the Blackburn ladies and it might not to Duke Tobin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we shall see. Trey Henderson is a hell of a player.
Gonna have a lot of teams interested, including Louisian Ruma's new team.

Speaker 1 Gotta assume there'd be some interest in that.

Speaker 1 Now, let's talk about the Indianapolis Colts because there is a situation brewing with the number four overall pick and a quarterback that is in an open competition with Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, debuff.

Speaker 2 Yep, quarterback competition here with Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones. Some unexpected news, at least from

Speaker 2 me. Anthony

Speaker 2 Richardson still dealing with this shoulder injury. And then Kirk Cousins showing up in Atlanta to the mandatory stuff.

Speaker 2 Any chance, if Anthony Richardson can't go this year, that Kirk Cousins makes his way to Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 10 I like that you would even suggest that, Deba. I respect it.
I don't have any word of that.

Speaker 10 From right now, from what I'm hearing, it sounds like Cousins with his no trade clause, after Rogers' seat is fulfilled, is going to be an Atlanta Falcon, and he's going to be the backup to Michael Penix, and he's going to to collect every last cent of that contract.

Speaker 1 That's such a Kirk Cousins move. What do you know about Anthony Richardson's situation?

Speaker 1 Because Albert Breer was on the Rich Eisen show yesterday, and he basically said that Anthony is going, Burning Sage getting bad vibes. Yeah, especially because we're talking about this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, get him out of here. Get him out of here.

Speaker 1 Get him out of here. Need good vibes for this particular storyline because this is seemingly becoming a repeat episode here.
He's going to see Dr.

Speaker 1 Neil Ellatrosh, is what Albert Breer reported on Rich Eisen's show to get a second opinion. Now, obviously, we know Dr.
Neil Elatros for creating the Achilles factory where Aaron Rodgers was.

Speaker 1 He's also shoulder dude, Neil Eletrosh. Neil Eletrosh, great hair, great suits, really good vibe, big brain, a lot of success rate.

Speaker 1 He did the surgery on Anthony Richardson's shoulder that has been re-aggravated. Do you know anything about this? And what do you think expectation levels are heading into training camp for AR?

Speaker 10 It's a setback. And look, Ellatrosh is the top of the game.
I don't need to do a commercial for Neil Eleatros, but we're talking about Matthew Stafford swears by him.

Speaker 10 You're telling Andrew Whitworth swears by him. And of course, Tom Brady also swears by him.
So you're talking about

Speaker 10 this particular is not just an Achilles guy. He's created the factory for Rogers and Dobbins, and that's fine, but he's also the shoulder guy and the throwing guy.
So he's going to the right person.

Speaker 10 He's doing it. But I'm telling you, there's something about bringing in a Daniel Jones who was a former sixth overall pick and has now got a giant chip on his shoulder.

Speaker 10 And there's something about vibes and year three of Shane Steichen and what do we do when Chris Ballard is now on to another quarterback where sometimes the momentum in the locker room can shift.

Speaker 10 Even if you didn't do anything wrong, you're just not there. This could be Daniel Jones grabbing this team by the collar and saying, hey, look, I'm going to be the one that leads us.

Speaker 10 And if he's not here and he's not on the field, Give me that opportunity in July and give me that opportunity in August. Anthony Richardson, look, Ballard and Steichen, their name's on this.

Speaker 10 Fourth overall pick. Their name is on that.
That is no doubt. But Daniel Jones could also be the hot guy and also the guy that has something to prove and just takes this team by storm in July.

Speaker 10 It's a true quarterback competition, and this is not good news for Anthony Richardson, no matter how you look at it.

Speaker 1 Anthony Richardson missing reps, obviously not great. He needs reps.
That's what he's needed his entire career because he didn't play that much in high school and college.

Speaker 1 His upside, obviously, immense. Injuries have kept him off the field.
Other things have taken him off the field as well, including being tired.

Speaker 1 I mean, there is a lot to learn for Anthony Richardson at the quarterback position, legitimately, on the field and off the field. We knew that, though, whenever he got drafted.

Speaker 1 I have been frustrated in the past by the way some things have gone because I'm at every single game, so I watch. I see what the sideline is.
I see what's happening in between the huddles.

Speaker 1 I see what's happening in between the plays. I know who's talking to who.
I know how things go because we're literally on the field. So I have a little bit of a different perspective.

Speaker 1 I also care deeply about the Indianapolis Colts. I think that was pretty evident over the last few weeks, how much a lot of people care about the Indianapolis Colts and that Ursa family as a whole.

Speaker 1 So whenever we're seeing it kind of get mismanaged or mistreated or seemingly getting taken from or being let down, it's like there's a lot of people that are bummed out about the way some of the operations had gone from the quarterback position with Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 1 But then you automatically get reset and saying like he was so young. He was so, this was a part of the process.
This was a part of the process.

Speaker 1 And I had changed my mind that I was going to be openly supportive of Anthony Richardson because that would be the best thing for Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 1 And the best thing for Anthony Richardson would be the best thing for the Indianapolis Colts because of his upside.

Speaker 1 But if he re-injured the same shoulder that he got surgery on, you have to wonder, then did the surgery not take?

Speaker 1 Is there some setback in rehab? Is there a reason it didn't work?

Speaker 1 Like, there's so many questions now because all these reps matter to the development of Anthony Richardson, which is the only thing that we can kind of hang our hat on is that Anthony Richardson is going to develop.

Speaker 1 So then you immediately turn like, well, is Daniel Jones going to be the guy? I got a chance to see him. He is huge.

Speaker 1 He might be. He is gigantic.
Big ball. He's also young.
You know, I think you were only paying him 10 million bucks this year or whatever the case is.

Speaker 1 He still is like 28, I think, or something like that.

Speaker 1 He could play another 10 years if he.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and I'll say something about this. You look at what Kevin O'Connell and those guys did last year with Sam Darnold.

Speaker 10 You know who joined that team midseason and put a really good bunch of practices on paper?

Speaker 10 So good that the Vikings were pursuing Daniel Jones to resign as a backup quarterback, knowing that there was a chance they would not be able to resign him because there would be a demand.

Speaker 10 There was a market for Daniel Jones. The Vikings, the Colts, and I know a couple other teams were all very interested in Daniel Jones.
So this isn't some guy on his last stop.

Speaker 10 I think the Giants situation went as it went. He got paid, didn't live up to the contract, got hurt.

Speaker 10 And then I think last year, taking that year, that half year of the humble pie of what happened in New York, and then signing in Minnesota and being in that room for a little bit, learning from O'Connell, and then being courted as a free agent, like this is a new lease on life for Daniel Jones.

Speaker 10 And I think there's a lot of maturity that goes into that. I'm not sure if Anthony Richardson has been through all of that yet as an NFL player.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and there's a chance Anthony Richardson, and once again, I'm hoping it is just a soreness that they're over cautious about.

Speaker 1 And he's back by training camp and we can have an actual quarterback competition. Because once again, Anthony Richardson's upside is.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're talking fadeaway, 72-yard

Speaker 1 throw. I mean, that's the first game of the season.
I mean, and then him running, his speed, everything that he has. Now, Daniel Jones, too.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Daniel Jones runs hard.

Speaker 1 Daniel Jones is fast. Daniel Jones over on rush yards every single game.

Speaker 1 He's basically a lock because even the odds makers look at Daniel Jones and they go, 2% ain't going to be able to run over 17 yards. And then he gets into open field.

Speaker 1 And if a line doesn't trip him, which sometimes yard lines have got him before,

Speaker 1 he's wide ass. I mean, he is a threat on the ground.
And let alone he is big. Boom, boom, boom.
And Shane Stein. That's

Speaker 1 yes that's a tough run he's huge and in shane steichens offense like your quarterback being able to run is a massive that's almost a bigger deal than the throws and if daniel jones obviously gotten better maybe our offense will be able to go and if anthony richardson is out i will be eager to see what they do at quarterback position and if they bring or try to bring anybody in okay let's talk about some moves that were made over the last 24 hours or so the green bay packers now all of a sudden are thin very thin at a position go ahead ty yeah straights what ultimately happened with the judge or alexander situation?

Speaker 5 Obviously, we've talked to you a little bit. You had dinner with Matt LaFleur the night before we saw you in Green Bay.

Speaker 5 And it sounded like after this whole thing started and he was going to be gone, then it was like, no, he's coming back. He's going to be a Packer.
Obviously, he got released yesterday.

Speaker 5 They cleared up quite a bit of cap space. But what are you hearing about this situation? And where are some potential landing spots for Jair Alexander?

Speaker 5 Because I've already heard Minnesota and boy would that fucking suck.

Speaker 10 First, let me raise my hand there. It wasn't erroneous reporting.
However, I was wrong.

Speaker 10 I thought they would figure it out based on my conversations, not only with LaFleur, with people on both sides, and knowing that it was just a money issue. Let's figure out the money issue.

Speaker 10 At the end of the day, Jair Alexander didn't want to take a pay cut. And the Packers thought it was fair after two years of him only playing so many games that we talk about a contract restructure.

Speaker 10 And to his credit, Jair Alexander said, $17 million is not top of the market. When I'm on the field, I am worth that.
And I am not taking a pay cut based on injury that I have unfortunately been able

Speaker 10 to deal with the last couple of years and play through in a lot of ways. So he's going to bet on himself.
And the Packers, they said, well, we're not betting on that.

Speaker 10 We don't think you are available for us. And they have three young corners who they really like.
That said, they're in minicamp right now.

Speaker 10 And I'm seeing Bo Melton, a receiver out of, you know, Ruckers, being played at cornerback because they're so thin right now. There you go.
You have it.

Speaker 10 There's Michael Robinson and Taylor King and Rock. You don't want to do that either.
That said,

Speaker 10 I wasn't wrong when I said things were trending the right way. What I was wrong was that I was assuming that they would figure things out.
Did Jair Alexander's credit?

Speaker 10 You don't want to take a pay cut. I think I'm worth that.
And let's see if he can make more elsewhere because the Packers are going to eat a huge amount of his salary cap, regardless of dead space.

Speaker 1 I do wonder if it was the holdup on the sea. It had been.
Makes sense.

Speaker 10 He wants to be captain. The game was in Charlotte.
Shouldn't you know better, LaFleur?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's his home. I just don't think LaFleur knew it was my homes.
I mean, you can't be heavy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Boat milk.

Speaker 1 Why are you talking about the Green Bay Packers? Let's get the guy we drafted into six rounds to play receiver and just toss him out there.

Speaker 5 And hey, maybe he'll be our starting cornerback next year.

Speaker 1 What are we doing? What are you talking about? Travis Hunters. That's all the rage right now.
Yeah, he's a generational talent. He's not a six-run.

Speaker 1 He's not a six-round receiver out of Rutgers, for Christ's sake. You kidding me? Go get Jalen Ramsey.
Stop fucking around with this shit.

Speaker 1 Bo Melton is going to play cornerback for the Green Bay Packers next year. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 You don't know.

Speaker 1 This is one rep.

Speaker 5 He's had a couple.

Speaker 1 I mean, look at the way.

Speaker 1 Never mind.

Speaker 10 I thought Todd was all good after the Matthew Golden draft pick. I thought we put this to bed.
We thought

Speaker 10 Mad Mel was gone. We found happy Mel.
We found happy Todd. But

Speaker 10 we're reverting back to our old selves here.

Speaker 1 It's June, dude. Yeah, it is.
We got a lot of time to find corners. Yeah.
You know, right? Because there's a bunch of good ones. Stefan's out there.
Gilmore's out there. Gilmore.

Speaker 2 Xavier.

Speaker 3 Ramsey makes sense.

Speaker 1 Dale. Jaier Alexander's out there.
He is. Bo Melton's out there.

Speaker 1 We already got Bo Melton. No, he might be available, though.
He's a six-round pick. There's no promise.

Speaker 1 There's no promise. He might be out there.

Speaker 1 And you know, the Colts, Lou Anaruma, might need to look at some Bo Melton tape. And also, other teams might need to start looking at the fifth, six wide receiver and be like, How's your drop?

Speaker 1 It works out. How's your drop? Hey, let's get you a.

Speaker 1 Rob Domofsky has posted a great rep of Bo Melton.

Speaker 1 It is a good break. Bo Camp.
That's 5'6.

Speaker 1 Yes, he just cut off. Yeah.
I mean, Richard Sherman started as a wild.

Speaker 1 Tall, lanky, Bo putting those paws on. He's from Rutgers, too.
You know, Ruckers.

Speaker 5 Tough, physical, hard-nosed.

Speaker 1 All right, let's talk about some players that are at camp that I think are a little bit of a surprise. Go ahead, Tone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my ears perked up when you mentioned James Cook earlier and you talked about his agent being in the Shamar Stewart conversation. It was a little surprising that he was reporting today.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's because he has not made as much money yet as all the other players who are not reporting.

Speaker 1 Was this surprising to you? And is this, do you think this will be like a potential hold in situation?

Speaker 1 Or do you think, do you think something eventually gets done with James Cook before the final year of his contract?

Speaker 10 I'll tell you, I'm pleasantly surprised. I feel like James Cook and his representatives have been quite vocal about their desire for a new deal.

Speaker 10 And judging by the way things were going, I didn't expect him to show his face, but he's there. And I respect it.
I respect it.

Speaker 10 Whether he's doing, you know, 20 drills or not, the fact that he's there, I think has a lot to do with that he wants to be a Buffalo Bill. But we've talked about this.

Speaker 10 The numbers, they did not make sense to Brandon Bean when we were talking about it at the Combine. They did not make sense to Brandon Bean.

Speaker 10 We're talking about it after they re-upped all those other guys to new extensions. They're not going to give him.
Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley money. They're just not.
I don't see that happening.

Speaker 10 It's just not what they're budgeting for. That said, I think they would love to have James Cook, who is maybe their best offensive player outside of Josh Allen on the field.

Speaker 10 So let's see if they can figure it out. But a good sign, even if it's just an olive branch, you know, that, hey, I'm going to be there and present as now one of the veteran leaders of this offense.

Speaker 10 But he is grossly underpaid now. But for what numbers that we were hearing tossed around, those didn't really add up with reality for what they were looking to spend on running back.

Speaker 1 New OC up there, Mr. Brady.

Speaker 1 loves James Cook. Yes.
Absolutely loves James Cook. I think James Cook loves where NFL football is headed as well.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he saw the Saquon Barkley-led Philadelphia Eagles go win the Super Bowl, then Saquon get broken off. I think James Cook loves everything about that.

Speaker 1 If James puts up another great year, and I know this sucks, especially at the running back position with how many hits you have to take and how dangerous it is, you know, if he doesn't get a deal done now, he puts up another massive year, there's going to be big market for James Cook.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously, I'm speaking something that is very obvious, but that is probably what I assume Bean is saying to James Cook.

Speaker 1 I assume James Cook's agent has also said, like, hey, if unless we really hold out, which we don't want to do, there is big money around the corner for a James Cook in this current NFL.

Speaker 1 It's just like, hopefully he gets that money sooner than later because I love watching him play for you.

Speaker 10 Oh, I love him on that team, too. I think he fits that team.
And he was so good in that AFC champion, or the AFC championship game. He had that run on Fort Dan.

Speaker 10 It's one of the best runs you'll ever see where he extends over the goal line.

Speaker 10 And it's like, he belongs about, this is the one I think is the most under, maybe this and Julio's catch in the Super Bowl are like the most underrated plays in NFL history of just athleticism.

Speaker 10 Just sheer amazing balance from him. And no, no other player can do that right now.
That is James Cook. He's that good.
So let's get this done. Let's keep him in the Bills uniform.

Speaker 10 But at the number that they were asking for, I don't think it was even close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, what was the number they were asking for?

Speaker 10 I don't know, but from what I remember hearing from people in Buffalo at the combine, it was like out of hand how they were even talking about it.

Speaker 10 So hopefully we can figure it out and make a number that's more reasonable and in line with what the running back position makes.

Speaker 10 That said, if the eagles are paying saquan and the rivals are paying henry and they're that age why not pay james and if that's how you're winning games i mean that's a whole another conversation

Speaker 1 another conversation about paying people and i don't want to go back to it sheriff sealy's got no shot with that college sports commission

Speaker 1 no chance we thought about have you thought about that anymore aj

Speaker 1 yeah no chance i mean yeah he's gonna get sued from 5 000 different players how does he how do you say no to a deal like how do you say that isn't in a proper marketing someone offers it if someone offers you this amount of money for this for this these terms like then how can you say hey no that's not in line with what he is worth believe me our deals that have not been properly represented publicly have been said to be way overpriced little do people know the number is

Speaker 1 You would think even more so, I think, for some of the deals that I've negotiated. But who says that that's not the proper number?

Speaker 1 Especially because we've already earned that money back for said companies that we already know about.

Speaker 1 But if the deals that I was negotiating with companies had to be presented to some other dipshit who's never done a deal, or that's the only amount of money that they were able to negotiate, or they weren't able to think of ideas to regain that amount of money for the company that you're negotiating with, how is that even anywhere near an acceptable process?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Anti-American.

Speaker 1 It is. Do schools control it? Could they do it that way? The schools control the salary cap, which is going to be like $14.5 million.
These are all the NIL deals that have to get

Speaker 1 approved by a committee that makes it in the fair market range. It's like, who says what the range is? Miles Garrett got $40 million.

Speaker 1 Softball girl.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Nigerie Kennedy.

Speaker 1 Nigeria Kennedy got she got a million bucks. So what's the going rate? 50,000, 100,000? I don't know what it is.
Maybe 25,000, even less than that.

Speaker 10 Is that Cooper flag number real? I thought that was a little bit inflated. What did they say? I don't even know who afforded it.

Speaker 1 They said 28.

Speaker 1 I think there was a lot of, maybe like five-year deals that were potentially like his Converse deal or whatever his shoe deal was, I think, in that number.

Speaker 1 But that might have been a three-year deal, too. That might might have been just.
But whatever the case, still a lot of money. But the softball girl, Niger.
And she delivered.

Speaker 10 She was awesome for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but when they present that to

Speaker 1 a committee and they say, hey, they want to pay him a million or pay her a million bucks, everybody else is making $150,000, $200,000 to tie in. It's like, who says that a million isn't enough?

Speaker 1 But we all just agreed. She was definitely worth it.

Speaker 10 I never heard of Texas Tech softball until this weekend, and I'm watching because of her. And you got Mahomes in the stands, like, cheering.
Like, she was that dominant.

Speaker 1 It was worth every penny bingo but whenever they would have pitched that number which I think they were other schools are saying we're not paying that no way that rain that committee would have said no way will we do that it's like I don't know how

Speaker 1 I and I genuinely don't know what the answer is I don't want to be just the person saying like hey this ain't gonna be good but because I don't have any answers so I'm part of the problem not a part of the solution so I apologize for that but it's like they're gonna have to figure out how that works because I don't know how you say no to a company wanting to pay a human yeah amount of money.

Speaker 2 Sheriff Seeley

Speaker 1 will figure it out. Yeah, he'll crack down.
He's going to have to. Sheriff will get it done.

Speaker 1 I appreciate this man saying I'll take on the task. Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 10 But this is. Better him than me.

Speaker 1 Amen, Trent. And that was happening with Sabin.
Remember, people were pushing Sabin's name out there. Saban's about to do it.

Speaker 1 And I was talking to people, not Coach Sabin himself, because I didn't want to put him in a spot to give me an answer. Then I would have to say, you know, I talked to him.

Speaker 1 But people directly around him were like, we're signing Coach Sabin up for that at 70. We're signing him up to fix all the college.
That's a

Speaker 1 deep job. Good luck, Seely.
We're good.

Speaker 1 I still don't know how you turn down any offer. I don't know how that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Legally, that seems impossible. But if we were to make a bet, it would be on what Shraeger's brain says.
Wouldn't that be the case? Without a doubt. With the draft.

Speaker 1 And also, I think he picked the Super Bowls for a while. And then also, he seemingly understands the cultures in different buildings and where they're at.
Go ahead, Con Man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Shraeges, last year in the preseason, you said, hey, don't be surprised if the Washington Commanders go on a hell of a run and turns out they end up going to the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 Do you have a read on your favorite kind of dark horse team out of nowhere this year? Loved what you said on Get Up this morning about the Chargers. They're still in the Chiefs division, so who cares?

Speaker 1 But who do you think is one of those teams that kind of rises from the ashes this year and revitalizes their entire team?

Speaker 10 Yeah, look, I said last year everywhere before the season that they would have a Houston Texans like turnaround. I didn't think they would go to the NFC championship game.

Speaker 10 And the commanders, what they did was they just said, let's rip it all down and build it all up.

Speaker 10 Now, that started with a head coach, an offensive coordinator, a new GM, and then they got a new quarterback.

Speaker 10 The closest thing that you're going to find to that right now is the Chicago Bears in that they have all new coaching staff, all these new players, a new offensive line, and they have a quarterback in Caleb Williams, who it seems is all there, but I have to see and learn a little bit more and see how this Ben Johnson-Caleb thing goes before I jump in.

Speaker 10 On paper, they're the team that did it. On paper, they're the team that gave their quarterback everything.
On paper, they're the team that rebuilt the whole franchise in a matter of an offseason.

Speaker 10 And that's what I always look for. That's what D'Amico did with C.J.
Stroud, and they got Will Anderson, right?

Speaker 10 So it's all there, but like, I'm not sold on Caleb yet. I got to see training camp because Ben Johnson's offense, and I've known Ben for a long time.

Speaker 10 He's a cerebral guy in that, you know, he and Goff had to put a lot of time into that where everything was timing based. Everything is like, you count to three here, you look there.

Speaker 10 And everything that Caleb Williams has been up to this point has been freestyle, off-schedule, willy-nilly, freelance. Let me use my athleticism.

Speaker 10 Can you combine the two and get that Mahomes-Andy Reid marriage where it's like, here's the play.

Speaker 10 And I know you've got all the athleticism, but if we could put this together and you could just trust me on timing, we can make this work. Well, then, yeah, the Bears will be that team.

Speaker 10 I have to see it first before I make that prediction. But on paper, the Bears are your Texans from two years ago and your Commanders from a year ago.

Speaker 1 Zeed celebrating back there with big fist bumps from Zito raising the roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, raising the roof, roof, roof. Where are you guys going to play football at? We shall see.

Speaker 1 We don't know. We don't know.
Jared Goff, Jared Goff, like the epitome of a robot quarterback. you know but he did it perfectly yeah

Speaker 1 everything that he is great at ben johnson used and made perfect and ben said i think I've never had a quarterback with the ability that Caleb has as well to kind of add in the off-script stuff.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to watch them, too. And they invested in the offensive line.
They seemingly invested in everything that's good, too, Shrek's. I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 I'm sorry to jump in. It's like some of the stuff that used to drive Kyle Shanahan nuts with Garoppolo is that it's like, hey, just throw it a point A, point B.

Speaker 10 And Jimmy would have to do something crafty in the pocket and try to make something more of it. And that would enrage Kyle Shanahan.
Then he gets Brock Purdy, and it's like, Brock Purdy, throw here.

Speaker 10 And Brock Purdy throws there. He's like a robot sometimes is what Kyle wanted.
That's going to be Ben Johnson with Caleb. Does Caleb, can Caleb play within that framework of don't go off script.

Speaker 10 Don't do what you think is necessary for the extra bigger play. Just trust me and we'll get there.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 But extend the play when

Speaker 1 it is available.

Speaker 2 That's also why he was hands down the number one pick because of that ability.

Speaker 2 And even Brock Purdy, like he's a guy that can play within the system, but he's also a guy when it breaks down, can scramble for 16 and break your back.

Speaker 2 So all the things they did in the offseason right there were straight, especially Loveland too. You know, going up against Loveland, pairing him up with Komet.

Speaker 2 Rome's going into a big second year. DJ Moore coming off a career year.
So yeah, all the pieces are there for Chicago.

Speaker 1 Quarterback's got to be the hardest. I mean, it's so important.

Speaker 1 Just in my life.

Speaker 10 And look at who they drafted second and third overall. You got Jaden and Drake May is like breathing on them.
And that's the same city that Trubisky was taking before Mahomes and Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 10 So like they've been down this road.

Speaker 10 I think there's a lot of believers in Caleb. Ben Johnson would not have taken that job.
He could have gone to any of these jobs.

Speaker 10 He would not have taken that job if he didn't want to be with caleb williams i just personally and i i'm not hating i just need to see it first i haven't seen it yet yeah it sounds like anytime you say i'm not hating on him you're hating on him

Speaker 1 sounds like there's a little bit of that and with caleb i think he he understands that the nfl world you know because in college he's obviously spectacular comes in at oklahoma i think he came in the red river rivalry game and took that thing over there chanting his name i remember that uh was a moment in college football that year Then obviously he goes out to USC with Lincoln Riley, becomes the spectacle showcase that he is, comes undoubtedly the number one overall pick.

Speaker 1 He even had people saying like, are you going to be the team that passes on Caleb Williams? Like that's how Caleb Williams was being talked about coming out of college. And the NFL goes to Chicago.

Speaker 1 It goes how it goes. He's already on his third offensive coordinator, I think.
Yep. Yes.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Third offensive coordinator. And then the story.

Speaker 10 Aldrin, Thomas Brown, and now he's got this. And

Speaker 10 obviously.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of shit to go from like the God

Speaker 1 to like, okay, now you got to like humble yourself in the middle of this entire thing.

Speaker 10 And Pat, they didn't even meet with Jaden Daniels. They didn't even meet with Drake May.
This was handed to him in a way that is very unorthodox in the draft where it's like, you're the guy.

Speaker 10 You don't need to take another pro day with anybody. You don't need to visit anybody.
You're our guy. So

Speaker 10 there's a lot. There's a lot.
There's a lot that goes.

Speaker 1 There's a lot going on with this guy. It's a big city.
It's a big city. Big fan base.
Big market. Big market, big franchise.
Hasn't been great for a long time. They've invested a lot.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson has been great. The expectation is Ben Johnson is going to be good.
Will the quarterback be good?

Speaker 10 I like that. I like that version of him.
That fired up. I want to see that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a little hill.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a little fire.

Speaker 1 He has a lot of pizzazz and the pizazz with the fire, fire, pizza.

Speaker 1 The cool bear claw. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Remember those days? Oh, yeah, yeah. Those are fun days.
Yeah, I haven't seen it in a while. That was like the pre

Speaker 1 Jet season started with Aaron Rodgers' days. Do you remember how much fun those days were? Oh, my God.
Hard knocks. Hard knocks.

Speaker 10 I jumped all in. I dove in.

Speaker 10 Dove in. I was like, oh, my gosh, he took Solomon Thomas to a Broadway play.

Speaker 1 I'm in. That one drive he had against the Niners in week one.
Oh,

Speaker 1 down the field.

Speaker 1 So good.

Speaker 1 How are you as a swimmer? Shreg's pretty good swimmer or no? Pretty good.

Speaker 10 Pretty good. Yeah, I could swim.
I could do a little medley.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Oh, really? All four.
You got them all.

Speaker 10 I could butterfly. I'll butterfly that ass.
Let me go. Let me do it.

Speaker 1 We need you to get on some juice. We need to get you in these.

Speaker 1 We need you to butterfly that ass in the enhanced game. Imagine Shreig's on all the juice.
Oh,

Speaker 1 showing up to that thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Is this the butterfly? Yeah, over the top. That's the butterfly, yeah.

Speaker 1 This is the breast. Yeah.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Backswrock.

Speaker 1 Backswroke. And then freeze forward is free stuff.
And then we're.

Speaker 10 A little elementary side stroke, too, if you want.

Speaker 10 You just got to do this.

Speaker 3 You're a Navy SEAL.

Speaker 10 Take me to Paris Island. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Shranks. Tranks, I'll tell you, I don't know if you want to go down to Paris Island.
Just take your boy, man.

Speaker 10 I don't think I would last a second to Paris Island.

Speaker 1 That place was incredible. That place was absolutely incredible.

Speaker 10 dude i commend you hats off to you so much for even go i mean that had to be a life-changing experience

Speaker 10 i did fort i did fort bragg um a couple years back with fox and it was it's still to this day one of the coolest experiences of my life i went on a uso tour uh over to japan went to a bunch of different bases over there.

Speaker 1 Obviously here in Indiana, there's a couple different bases. I've done a lot of stuff with the military.

Speaker 1 Very thankful to get to know a lot of people that have been in the military and all that. First time ever at a boot camp, you know, so that's my first time kind of witnessing it.

Speaker 1 Thank God they're still around.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought they

Speaker 1 said this yesterday, and I don't want to reiterate it too much, but

Speaker 1 I thought that wasn't around anymore. I thought there wasn't any of that.
We're going to be okay. We're going to be okay.

Speaker 2 I think Shraig's can make it. I mean, I would love to see Grock put Shraig's in those yellow footprints right next to you.

Speaker 10 Come on, Grok. Do you.

Speaker 1 Grock, make sure you understand what the, make his footprints extra yellow

Speaker 3 you know make those things extra don't let him pee his pants do not have a pea stain on his pants or poop they thought about calling him brown prints but yeah obviously the pants can't kind of keep those in uh aj has a question for you shrags shraigs uh with aaron rogers signing in pittsburgh what are your expectations for this steelers team this year obviously it feels like it's a little i guess steelers fans might be i don't know like not getting too far not looking you know putting the cart before the horse whatever you want to call it they seem to you know they kind of rein it in but what do you expect on this team?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I have two big thoughts on this

Speaker 10 that I'd love to share with you guys. The first thing is this misnomer that like Rodgers wouldn't fit in in Pittsburgh because he's this like crunchy granola Northern California guy.

Speaker 10 I've known Aaron a long time. When it comes to football, and AJ, you know this, there is no one more dialed in.
And furthermore, who are the who are the coaches he's really connected the most with?

Speaker 10 Mike McCarthy, Western Pennsylvania. Tom Clements, Western Pennsylvania.
Alex Van Pelt, Western Pennsylvania, Frank Signetti, like we can go down to Ben McAdoo.

Speaker 10 All these guys are Western PA guys, and they've hit it off with Rodgers in a real way. So I think he will fit that city and will fit that culture.

Speaker 10 I also like the fact they're not asking him to be the savior. Now, of course, you got to be the quarterback, number one of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
All eyes are on you.

Speaker 10 That's all going to come with it. But like, it's not the Jets situation where it's like it's all on his shoulders.
And you...

Speaker 10 He's going out to, you know, dinner at Carbone in New York City with Sauce Gardner, who's 21 years younger than him.

Speaker 10 Like, it's not, there's Cam Hayward, there's TJ Watt, hopefully, there's DK Metcalf. There are guys there, and there's Mike Tomlinson.

Speaker 10 So I think for one year, $10 million with incentives, like this is a no-brainer. And all the stuff that we were moaning and groaning about in the media the past three months.

Speaker 10 Trust me, Arthur Smith was building an offense for Aaron Rodgers, whether he knew he was coming or not. It's not like they got caught with their pants around their ankles saying, oh, wait a second.

Speaker 10 We got, oh, he's signing. Let's go build an offense.
Like they've had time to build this thing. It's just an install now.
And hey, don't worry about all the other nonsense.

Speaker 10 We got football and you've got one year. Let's make the most of it.
I like it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we like it as well. And I think most Pittsburgh Steelers fans have come around on the fact that this is a much better off option than anything else they had at this particular point.

Speaker 1 And there's also a chance at the end of the season last year, Aaron Rodgers is Achilles out of the Achilles factory was just getting healthy for the first time.

Speaker 1 And he was moving, throwing. The Jets offense looked like how everybody had fantasized that that Jets offense would look two years prior to that for like four games.

Speaker 1 Way too little, way too late for that Jets run. But if you carry that into the Pittsburgh Steelers with some of the guys that are still available, you know.

Speaker 1 I mean, they are loaded at every single spot on the defense.

Speaker 1 So hopefully the defense carries them while the offense and Aaron, you know, kind of learn each other and they can run the football, which we know Artie wants to do.

Speaker 1 They added some running backs this offseason as well as... DK Metcalf.
So, yeah, I think things are high right now in Steelers town.

Speaker 10 look at that. Look at those first four weeks, though.

Speaker 1 Oh, by the way, Shregs,

Speaker 1 the fact that you didn't tell Orlovsky to fuck off the other day when he said, oh,

Speaker 1 he said, maybe, maybe the Browns in the first six weeks.

Speaker 1 No, it's a, as far as the schedule goes, it sets up really nicely early for them to get.

Speaker 10 Well, I love Dan. And then Dan is the guy that I would like consider, you want to talk about somebody you love doing TV with.
Dan's great on TV and he's fun to banner with.

Speaker 10 He was saying like, there's no way in hell they could beat, he wouldn't say hell, he's a religious man. There's no way in H.E.

Speaker 10 Double hockey sticks that you could see that the Steelers could beat the Ravens in the I'm like, I just watched the Commanders play in an NFC championship game.

Speaker 10 Like I just saw it with my own two eyes.

Speaker 1 It could happen. It's not crazy.

Speaker 10 The NFL. I saw the Jaguars play in an AFC championship game in Foxborough and come one Stephon Gilmore play away from going to the Super Bowl.
Like I've seen it. It's crazy.
That's the NFL.

Speaker 1 Yeah, agreed. And the Pittsburgh Steelers win games.
And the Pittsburgh Steelers know the the Baltimore Ravens pretty good. Those games are always going to be one-score games.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's some stat about stats or about some spreads over four and a half or five and a half in between the Steelers and the Ravens game. Like three.
I think it was three and a half.

Speaker 1 Yeah, three and a half. I guess anything over three and a half, you take the points in the Ravens Steelers.
That's how those games go. So, yes, on

Speaker 10 playoffs, I got the crap kicked out of them.

Speaker 1 They ran for 700 yards, but we got that figured out. There's only been one losing quarterback under Mike Tomlin.
Who is that, Trey's?

Speaker 10 Mitchell Trubisky. What's up, Mitch?

Speaker 1 Can't believe you couldn't think of that today. He said it was Duck.

Speaker 1 Doc Hodges took him to the playoffs. Didn't Trey.
Quack. Quack, quack, quack, quack,

Speaker 1 quack,

Speaker 1 quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack. Oh,

Speaker 1 Doc.

Speaker 1 That's what they were saying. Bingo.
When Doc Hodges was the quarterback. And now he's living his best life.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Wonderful life. I I mean, his wife is a superstar in country music, and Duck Hodges is doing his thing.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 Are they married? Is that all right? Or at least.

Speaker 1 I thought, yeah, Duck and Maddie engaged, so I didn't think they were married unless they were. Sorry, Shrikes are now Shrikes.

Speaker 10 I like my serious Highway 56. I like listening to that, but I don't know anything about the gossip.
I got nothing else.

Speaker 1 Duck's out there calling Duck still. I do know that.
Every once in a while, he'll remind everybody, you remember? The name Duck is because I'm a world champion duck caller. Quite champion?

Speaker 1 World champion.

Speaker 1 Best duck caller in the world, he says. Amazing.
Like two times.

Speaker 1 Those ducks have no chance. They think he is an actual fucking duck down there.
They're flying around and he's down there just working his...

Speaker 1 These ducks up there are like, holy shit. That's tight.
That's tight. They go down there.
They think it's not. It's duck with a shotgun.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah, falling.

Speaker 1 It's duck football. Duck football.
Then he put him in a football game for the Pittsburgh Steelers and he just finds a way to win. Yeah.
Remember that.

Speaker 10 Monday night against the Chargers. I remember it well.

Speaker 10 In L.A. or in San Diego, and

Speaker 10 Duck Hodges lit him up.

Speaker 1 Legend. That's Doc Hodges football.

Speaker 1 So I don't know if he's doing real estate or insurance, but whatever he's doing, if he's selling it, we're buying it. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Quack, quack, buddy. You done good? As have you, Shrager, you Emmy award-winning, handsome lad who's a good swimmer.
We'll swim our way into the digital-only version of this particular program.

Speaker 1 We'll be back tomorrow. Be your friend, tell the friend something nice.
It might change their life as Shraig's phone falls.

Speaker 1 Has that, what is that?

Speaker 10 That's that weird AI thing. I got like the update on it where like it follows you.
There you go. It's doing it again.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I got to turn it off. That's a PTZ.
That's Foxy in the back on my side. Okay.
All right. Yours is like tracks you, right? That's an iPad.
I know.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's something. I don't know.
The government's following me. I have no idea what's going on.

Speaker 1 You have no idea. It's been there all day, Karen.
Yeah, you

Speaker 10 ought to mentalist got me today, and now my iPad is following me from all angles.

Speaker 1 We have that.

Speaker 1 We have that ready.

Speaker 10 I saw the beginning of your show. I don't know.
That's crazy.

Speaker 10 I was with the people online, like enough with the O's a little bit, and then I got, and it happened to me, and I just, I'm, I'm changed forever. It was incredible.

Speaker 1 It's right. We were, we're the exact same way.
We saw him on TV. He was getting a lot of hype.
Schaefer's like, hey, I'm kind of his manager or whatever. Like, oh, great.

Speaker 1 Now this guy's getting force fed.

Speaker 3 I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 In every single team. I think he's a friend/slash manager or something along those lines.
Okay. So then he's at every single team.
He's putting out clips with everybody. We're like, we get it, dude.

Speaker 1 We get it. Then you experience it for the first time.
Was that your first time live around him? Yes.

Speaker 10 First time ever meeting him.

Speaker 10 He was on Rogan this week. I happened to listen to him for three hours.
I'm like, I've got my fill in my cup. And then he did this to me in person.
And I'm like, I'm absolutely blown away.

Speaker 10 This man is very, very impressive.

Speaker 1 Did he fuck with you a little bit off camera too? Because that's when he really gets you to understand that this is the real deal.

Speaker 1 Like we told this story earlier about what he did to Darius, what he did to me. I think there was some stuff off air with AJ that happened as well, just kind of off the cuff.
Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 1 Let me let you know that I fucking know everything you're thinking right now really quickly. And then

Speaker 10 that was the weird part. Like I like, I'm good.
I don't need to do any like pre pre-show stuff with O's. And then they were like, go, go, go chat with O's.
I'm like, all right.

Speaker 10 So I've chatting with him and he's just chatting, but we're not talking about any of the stuff he brought on to the show. And then we were doing small talk about me.

Speaker 10 And I'm like, all right, then we get out there and he's like, think of an NBA superstar, superstar, which is a very vague term. It could be anything.
And I'm like, all right.

Speaker 10 And for whatever reason, I'm like, I'm going to go Draymond Green, which might not even be considered.

Speaker 10 I mean, in today's climate, there's 10 other players and we can talk about who, but like, that might not be one of the guys. And he's like, write down the name of any NBA superstar.

Speaker 10 And I wrote down Draymond Green. And he's like, you're thinking of Draymond Green.
I'm like, what the?

Speaker 4 It was crazy.

Speaker 1 It makes no sense. And the off, that little off convo that he's having with you, I think he's trying to figure out if he can crack India.
And then

Speaker 1 as soon as he finds out,

Speaker 1 he's got no time for you. All right, let's get him him the fuck out of here.
Let me just make sure this isn't the same thing as me. Hey, talk to me, talk to me, talk to me.
What's your favorite?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got it. Okay, thank you.
You can fucking leave now. You can go ahead and get it.
That's how it was.

Speaker 10 He didn't want to, like, you weren't looking to get coffee. No, that was that was quick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just wanted to find out if he can crack your skull or not. That's all he got.

Speaker 2 And he did. He had to plant Draymond Green because he spelled out GitHub, so he had to know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was the crazy thing. Isn't that how it all kind of comes together, too? It's wild.
Fucking God.

Speaker 10 I mean, if you were to ask

Speaker 10 any of you guys to name an NBA superstar, are any of you thinking of Draymond Green off the top of your head?

Speaker 1 No? I was thinking Bob Koozie. Smart.
Bob Koozy. Yeah, yeah.
If you said NBA GOAT, maybe. Could you imagine if you drop a Koozie reference?

Speaker 1 There's been a couple times where he's asked me a question and I hadn't been paying attention close enough because I was still trying to figure out what the fuck he just did.

Speaker 1 So then he asked me a question. I'm like, oh, I was not paying attention.
Were there any precursors on what I'm supposed to think? Because like, I need, that's a nitpiece of information you do need.

Speaker 1 Like, what am I supposed to think of here? Because what if I'm thinking of something that isn't even in a category? Then I clearly am ruining the entire gimmick.

Speaker 1 That's happened to me three times now with him because I'm thinking about the previous thing that he did. Then he asked me, I'm like, oh, fuck, I thought we were done.
No, you need more from me.

Speaker 10 What was Belichick? I mean, I remember watching it in real time, but like off camera, what was Belichick's reaction to that guy?

Speaker 1 I think he said, man, a couple times. Yeah, I don't know.
He was calling off Sean Payton. He wasn't calling off Sean Payton during the whole thing.
Hey, he just predicted first date. Oh, wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, cool.

Speaker 1 I got Sean Payton on the the phone. It was the thing.
All right, Shranks, what should we be paying attention to that we're not paying attention to right now, you think? Whole world.

Speaker 10 I'm curious to see how I'm curious to see how this Jets thing goes this offseason.

Speaker 10 They tore it all down and everyone's flying high, but there's some questions here in New York as to whether or not this young coaching staff and the young GM and the young quarterback, it's all going to come together.

Speaker 10 There's no expectations with the Jets. So they might be a little sleeper team as well.

Speaker 1 Oh, you like them as a dark horse. They both take.
Yeah. All right.

Speaker 10 Sleeper is in, like, no one's talking about them whatsoever and the spotlights off and let's see how these young guys play like the fact that sauce and garrett wilson showed up today with their contract situations up in the air i like that also yeah me too i like aaron glenn yeah no one's talking about the new york city teams

Speaker 1 no one does that it's never never a conversation speaking of how are you enjoying the finals you watching the finals they said lowest game two since 2000 uh yeah

Speaker 10 i've been watching i i'm telling you i thought game one was one of the greatest finals games that was the coolest thing.

Speaker 10 And I said to everyone I was with, and I was with a group of people, I'm like, I will never count this team out when they're down to nine with seven minutes left. And they did it again.

Speaker 10 They're a special team, but this Thunder team, when they get it going, it's like a locomotive. So you just got to stop them from getting it going.
Here's game one. I've really enjoyed this matchup.

Speaker 1 I think it's good. Tyrese Halliball game right there, 0.3 seconds left on the clock.
How you doing? Keep it moving. John Halliburton in the building.
No selling the entire thing.

Speaker 1 I think there's a chance if he was court side, we would have seen a little bit of something, something out of pops. Hopefully he's back for game three.

Speaker 1 Nonetheless, Tyrese Halliburton has made a lot of big shots. Game two didn't make anything until fourth quarter whenever he really turned it up.
But even then, you talk about never counting us out.

Speaker 1 We were down like 15 with like two minutes left, three minutes left. And I was like, wait a minute.
Can we make a rush of this thing? And then we subbed everybody out. And it was like, you know?

Speaker 1 Time of day. Yep.
Time of day. Three minutes left.

Speaker 10 New York Knicks fans now are freaking out over who the next coach is going to be and whether it's Kevin Durant. And that's the life of a Knicks fan every offseason.
It's what's what's next.

Speaker 10 We turn the page, but to me, let's enjoy Isaiah Joe taking on Obi Toppin for four more days.

Speaker 1 Who is going to be the coach over there? Jason Kidd, I heard, right? That's what they're saying.

Speaker 10 That's what Wendy was saying. And I don't know.

Speaker 10 Is that

Speaker 10 Red Hour back? I don't know. I mean, everyone's pretty like, oh, Jason Kidd is.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 Fine. I don't know.

Speaker 10 That's what I'm saying. I'm with you on that.
I don't know. Is Jason Kidd suddenly going to be the one that gets us over the top?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he gets Cooper flag and Anthony Davis and Kyrie.

Speaker 10 Is he running away from that?

Speaker 10 The Maverick's going to let him out. Go to New York.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why would he leave? And then let's talk about Malone. Wouldn't Malone be the guy? Yeah.

Speaker 1 New thing.

Speaker 10 And Malone might be the guy because his dad, Brendan Malone, was a long time assistant in New York and he's got all these awards.

Speaker 10 But like, if you think Tibbs runs guys hard and is tough on playing young players and getting that's Mike Malone's whole rap. I don't know if we need to go down that road again.

Speaker 1 Who did Stephen A. Smith say, Mark Jackson? He did bring in Mark Jackson.
Is he still

Speaker 10 New York City guy? I don't know if that's happening. I mean, if I like the guy, I like the guy in Houston.
He may have Doka, but it sounds like they're not going to ever let him out for anything.

Speaker 10 To me, that's who I would be

Speaker 1 part of that again. Houston, young, loaded.
Yeah, they got money.

Speaker 10 Don't you want to be in New York with all the bright lights in the New York City? Like, that's the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fired coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah, bingo. Yeah, that's what you want to do.
You want to get fired.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just let Rick Brunson run the show.

Speaker 1 He already is. Just make it official.
And they're talking about getting Kevin Durant. They don't have any picks.
They got to trade more. They have to trade Cat.

Speaker 1 They're going to be able to get if they want him.

Speaker 10 They'd have to trade Cat, which I'm not sure. Although, I'll say this: Durant, I like Durant.
I've been, you know, Durant's a killer on offense.

Speaker 10 And if any snap of a finger, he could score 21 points in the fourth.

Speaker 10 I wouldn't be so opposed to it. I know a lot of my Knicks fans are like running for the hills for Kevin Durant because 37 years old and isn't exactly a defensive stalwart anymore.

Speaker 10 But to me, you're never out of a game with Kevin Durant, especially if he's got a chip on his shoulder. I would take Durant.

Speaker 1 Just get another lanky wing player. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 You're calling Kevin Durant just another?

Speaker 10 No, he's not Macau Bridges. He's a little different.

Speaker 1 They got Bridges. They got OG.
I mean, they just went to the conference finals and they're like, hey, we got to blow up this team. If we don't blow this team up, we'll never get back here.

Speaker 1 So I get every year. We talked about this with the Pacers.
I'm not happy for Timothy Chalamet, Ben Stiller, Spike Lee, Pete Traigs, Miles Teller, John Mellencamp, all the Knicks fans

Speaker 1 about...

Speaker 1 like how exciting of a run you guys had. And then, you know,

Speaker 1 we're thinking we're doing it again next year. It's hard to just rebuild, I think.

Speaker 1 Change, it's, it's easier to do it again next year when you do what the Pacers did and you just keep everybody.

Speaker 10 Continuity. And you trust it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's work together and do that. Here's the fear.

Speaker 10 It's like, we've seen it. Like, Steve Kerr was an upgrade from Mark Jackson and was what they needed.
Phil Jackson was an upgrade from Doug Collins in that situation was what they needed.

Speaker 10 So we've seen it happen.

Speaker 10 But like, if you don't have that guy in your back pocket, that's a pretty rash decision to make. I assume that those other teams had that in play.

Speaker 10 And there was like, so I'm just going to let go of the wheel and see and see how it ends up before I judge.

Speaker 1 I trust Jalen Bronson on a court.

Speaker 1 If he's playing, I think you're in it. I think that's how Knicks fans should feel.
This SGA guy. For real.
I'm watching him.

Speaker 1 He's six foot six, AJ. Young.
I know. Jesus.

Speaker 1 Every angle.

Speaker 10 How do you stop it? Off the back of it.

Speaker 1 How do you stop it? It's unbelievable. I have no idea how you stop it.
And then I appreciate people. Now, granted, I did not watch enough of the Oklahoma City Thunder this year.
Sure.

Speaker 1 Okay, hand up on me.

Speaker 1 The narrative was: this guy just gets to the foul line. So I thought we were going to watch James Harden at Houston basketball.

Speaker 1 Like, I thought it was just going to be like that type of stuff. It's not.
No. It's a completely.

Speaker 1 He is a play. This dude is a beast.

Speaker 1 They call him a foul artist. It's like he will expose you.
If you are close enough for him to steal one off of you, he will certainly do that. But he's creating his own shot.
He's shaking.

Speaker 1 He's taking it to the, I mean, he is, it's not like a floppy thing. It's like he will certainly play the game and get a foul on you.
I understand that.

Speaker 1 And some people think that's a little shady, especially whenever you somehow have more foul shots than our team every single time. How does that work out that way? But it's like he's a talent.

Speaker 1 This dude's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you go down a list of great scorers. They all got to the foul line.
That's a part of it, putting the defenders in bad situations.

Speaker 2 When you have elite scorers like that, there's always going to be the haters, just like when it's like great quarterbacks, when it's Brady or Manning or whoever pop quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 Oh man, when they get hit, they get all the flags, they get all this. Yeah, they're great.
And when they don't, they're going to tear you apart. So, that's what SGA does.

Speaker 2 And what he's been able to do on the biggest stages, you know, winning the MVP, getting to a level he's never been to, and his team has never been to.

Speaker 2 And every time these lights are bright, he shows up. Like, that's that's impressive.
I'm sure his line is what, what, tonight, to score, probably 30?

Speaker 10 It's always 30 at least. Yeah, like that's what Carlisle said.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 34 and a half. Yeah, that's nuts.
Yeah, Rick Carlisle said you can put 34 on the score sheet for SGA already before the game even starts. Yeah, he has, I think they did it on GetUp.

Speaker 1 He has 83 games now with 25 plus points this season crazy 83 saving money to score 35 plus

Speaker 10 i watch college hoops like

Speaker 10 he wasn't that guy at kentucky i don't know when this happened like he was good he was fine but he wasn't that guy it'd be cool to be six foot six

Speaker 2 and then just have it snap that you're supposed to just take over games work ethic yeah it has to brunson too brunson i mean he was a dog at la nova obviously but you just get in you put in the work and you become like a great you only do that by putting that work in and he's obviously done that And his mentor was Chris Paul.

Speaker 1 When Chris Paul came over to OKC, he was supposed to, they were supposed to, I think their over-under for wins was like 20.

Speaker 1 And they ended up winning 45 games, going to the playoffs being the four seed when Chris Paul was at the one, and he's kind of the guy that took SGA under his wings.

Speaker 1 Hey, Chris Paul, good on our program. Yeah, great on your program.

Speaker 10 Live in the rain from Carolina. I loved it.

Speaker 1 He talked shit, too. That's a backyard.

Speaker 3 We're just going to play, Shregs, next year. Yeah, what are you hearing?

Speaker 10 Sounded like on your show that he wants to be a clipper. It sounded like it.
And that's how he wants to end it, but I don't know how that all works out. I can't.

Speaker 1 That's how. Why?

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? It's Chris Paul. They got James Harden and stuff.
Chris Paul needs to come to Boston.

Speaker 1 You want him to be as far away from his family as possible.

Speaker 1 He needs to bring his family there. Oh, I don't know.
What's the best school in the country? Harvard? You want to be close to that?

Speaker 1 Harvard?

Speaker 1 Harvard? Oh, you're a big Harvard guy. You're going to Harvard for kindergarten.
I want a big Harvard guy. I'm more.

Speaker 1 Look, you're a big Harvard guy. I said Harvard because he's more mainstream.
I'm an MIT guy.

Speaker 1 Let's go. What's that? Let's go.
Dude, the technology guy. So I don't know what you guys are talking about, but also Cambridge.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 One of the most up-and-coming areas, not up and coming, one of the most expensive areas in the world to live in. Uppity, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's why if it's not as uppity as you'd think, but that's why if Chris Paul were to come over, I think it should be a match made in heaven. Oh, that's awesome.
I caught you. All right.

Speaker 1 Hey, Shranks, I appreciate that a lot of you, man.

Speaker 10 Guys, congrats on all the cool stuff with the Concafa stuff, too. I was following you.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Shanks, Shanks, you were so close, bro.

Speaker 1 Almost a perfect. Come on.

Speaker 10 I watched. I was supportive.

Speaker 10 You got to give me something.

Speaker 1 Come on. That's what's going on.

Speaker 10 Carrie, North Carolina. My passport hasn't been there, but I will be if you ever invite me.
I will get in the goal office and goalie for you.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Found it.

Speaker 1 Tonkefa has

Speaker 1 stoner stood on his head.

Speaker 1 He was the best goal. Wadding goal of the whole tournament was the last game.
Stoner was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I guess Stoner also plays strike. Stoner's our goalie from Very Carrie.
Yeah, yeah. He stopped one with his face this year, actually.
Just eight one with his face.

Speaker 1 I guess he plays striker, too, on some club teams. What the hell? Why wasn't Stoner in then? Yeah, so

Speaker 1 I guess his foot, his feet are good as well. And then Philly was obviously joined our team, former MASL goalie of the year.

Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah.
Do they allow five-hole goals in MASL competitions?

Speaker 1 Did you see how the tournament ended last night, Strikes?

Speaker 10 No, I didn't. I did not see this.

Speaker 1 This is for a million bucks right here. Bang, bend it around a guy.
Golasso. Oh, what a shot.
Yeah, I like the smoke that they add. Yeah, that's cool.
And the taste

Speaker 1 station.

Speaker 3 If old buddy used his hand to stop that, would it continue the game or does the goal count? How's it going?

Speaker 10 In the box.

Speaker 3 Yeah, in the box. In the box,

Speaker 1 he would have been good. Did he have a penny on? No, no, no.
The guy running on the field has a penny. Yeah, the guy who was designated the goalie had a penny on right there.

Speaker 1 He was holding it in blue. He actually was the one that turned the ball over before this on the other side.
They tried to sub him out to sub new goalie in.

Speaker 1 So that guy right next to him is subbing in for the other goalie. Terrible substitution by Pumas Dallib.
But this was a bobble. This was a botch by their bench.

Speaker 1 This was a substitution error, is how they lost the million bucks. They could have taken a shot earlier, too.
There might have been a time to maybe...

Speaker 5 Yeah, maybe like have one, maybe a good opportunity, maybe have one here. Let's have one.

Speaker 1 There's a couple of those where they could have.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they could have had one. They could have maybe really went out there

Speaker 5 and had one. I mean, that's in this tournament, you have to have one.

Speaker 5 Yeah, especially if the ball comes over and it's a perfect situation to to have one you know you have that ball you know tied around you know your left boot may be a good opportunity to have one especially 77 for puma's big boots fat tony yeah fat tony um that is not his name that is his name that's what he's called he's a legend he had he had like 11 names

Speaker 5 it was awesome wonderful body i can't believe he didn't let it rip dude he's gonna have he could have had one i cannot believe he did not win the golden boot of the tournament i actually need to talk with someone from tst and also puma State, Alabama.

Speaker 5 They're skipper, their gaffer. He's the coach of the tournament.
And he does the biggest fucking gaff of the whole tournament and they lose. So it's cool.

Speaker 1 It was a substitution air, Gumpy. We all watched.
And while we're watching it live, I see Scramp, like other goalie running off field. Illegal substitution as well.

Speaker 1 Just so we know, the other goalie was not fully off the field in the substitution air as the new goalie was being subbed on. So, I mean, it was

Speaker 1 chaos.

Speaker 7 The longer you play in this tournament, you realize that the ref in the middle actually does nothing at all.

Speaker 7 i learned that when i asked what does that guy do when uh nani threw a punch at brek she they said oh he's just there to monitor subs not actually help or you know you're talking about on a sideline yeah in the middle there he just stands there he's great they also rule if it's inner bounds or out of bounds on the near sideline i think i've seen a couple of those calls made Gumpy hates the refs at the TST.

Speaker 10 I love that.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if I'd like that.

Speaker 1 Why'd they throw that trophy? I don't know. So everyone can get a piece of the trophy.
Oh. Like everybody at the tournament? All the kids? All the team.
Yeah, the kids at the team.

Speaker 1 A bunch of players on the team. They were all picking it up and like celebrating with their piece.
Oh, okay. Like cutting the net.

Speaker 7 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 1 What are you supposed to do with that thing in one piece?

Speaker 7 I would have had that thing on a flight home with me.

Speaker 1 We'll figure out when we win it next year. Yeah, we're going to hang that thing in a Thunderdome right from the middle.
It's going to be like a disco game.

Speaker 1 You guys need to smash it with a sledgehammer. I can't wait to see the team next year.
Grella out.

Speaker 1 Let's bring in. Come on.
Let's bring in Big Tony.

Speaker 1 Who else? Tony Miola? Who else do we have? Big Tony Miola is already.

Speaker 2 Are you trying to do the GM of the year's job?

Speaker 1 I would never.

Speaker 1 I'm not built for it, man.

Speaker 7 There's one man that we need.

Speaker 1 You see down there at the bottom, Shraig's?

Speaker 10 Who's it say?

Speaker 1 General Manager of the Tournament.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Mike Foss. Mike Foss.

Speaker 10 How about that?

Speaker 1 Kon Keifa has two representatives. Shout out to Big Ruggles.
Congratulations.

Speaker 1 A couple big time goals. Also,

Speaker 1 I think he had two or three yellow cards. I think he had three.

Speaker 1 They only documented two, so he could have got another one because if you get three yellow cards you got to sit out the next game so he definitely had three yellow cards but they only kept track of two so he got a bonus yellow and he was certainly trying to exercise that right sure he is a uh he has the gift of the gap and he said he gets people very upset very very he was actually walking one guy right off the field to fight him and then as that guy was walking off the field boom we slide in right behind the guy score a goal i mean it was like his his mental game in mental gymnastics he's a chess player out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 His dreads. Does not like when his dreads are pulled.

Speaker 7 They got a red card. I was super happy for him because he played on Nanny's team last year and they never invited him back.
So when we knocked them out, he was super.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah, he didn't have a team. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got lucky. That's Porch, who's an absolute dog.

Speaker 1 There's me celebrating alongside First Sergeant Pat Garland, who gave the boys a motivational speech before the game. It was great to see him.
Porch was unbelievable. He is.
He's filthy.

Speaker 1 I don't know how he didn't make the team as well. Porch ran a lot around people.
Bill Zeppelin.

Speaker 1 This was a great tournament. It was a great time.
We were lucky to be there. I can't stress enough how much better this style of soccer is than normal soccer.
It's about 10,000. 10,000 times better.

Speaker 1 Always a walk-off. Always a walk-off.
Game has to end with somebody scoring a goal. No ties.
Black boots. Yeah, Black Boots came back this year, and there's a Gorilla assist, by the way.
Nice pass.

Speaker 1 Who was that against? Was that the first game or the second game where you guys won 7-0?

Speaker 1 No, this is soccer roof. Yeah, that was round of 30.
Didn't Grella assist the Brech Shay goal, too? Yes. Oh, yeah.
Real good assistant. It went off the goalie.
Let's not act.

Speaker 1 God played her in the mixer, bro. That's act like Grella fed him on his boots, okay?

Speaker 1 He basically shot a little rinky-dink shot, and then Brech Shea, being the superhero that he is, came in and cleaned it up. Hey, big meet, thank you for your service to Concafa this year.

Speaker 1 The boys are buzzing. All right, we appreciate you, Shrikes.
Maybe next year you are a mascot or a goalie. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I'm in.

Speaker 1 What's the name of the team?

Speaker 10 Concafa.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, oh, Concafa.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 oh, Concafa.

Speaker 1 All right, we appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager. I got you.

Speaker 1 AJ, I don't know if you saw it. Phil Steele did a little ranking of the Big 12.
Did you see it?

Speaker 3 I actually did not see it.

Speaker 1 Did he Phil Steele? Yeah, Phil Steele, the guy that's been doing college football since doing it? Yeah, exactly. He doesn't know shit.
Hey, Phil.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. He is one of the most respected names out there.
So when he's putting a list together like this, and it's crop, shite, you got to call it out. Hey, Phil, don't lose the fastball, Bub.

Speaker 1 Now is not the time. You're dying, Rich Rodriguez.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Did Neil Brown come in dead last of the Big 12?

Speaker 1 No. I'm sure he did.
No, I'm assuming.

Speaker 1 How many times? Some point. Yeah.
Two or three? No. No, he didn't.
Not every year, but.

Speaker 1 Colour me shocked. I would have.

Speaker 2 Good question. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that was a layup you did. I don't think he ever did.
Okay. By apologies.
More specifically, last year he did not. Okay.

Speaker 1 So Rich Rod's going to get there and we're going to get worse is what Phil Steele thinks. No chance.
Come on. Come on.

Speaker 1 It is a little interesting, though, that we wouldn't check the betting odds of the Big 12. Turns out out West Virginia's ranked 12th in those out of 16 teams.
You think Big 12, there's only 12 teams?

Speaker 1 No, there's 16 of them, and we're ranked 16th in Phil Steele's eye. Don't love that, but I want the Mountaineer boys to understand, Phil Steele thinks you're shit.

Speaker 1 Expectations are nothing. We know the work you're putting in, though.

Speaker 1 Good luck out there. How about Jaheem White? Because shouting out his teammates for all their hard work.
Offensive line. Jaheem White's a beast, by the way, running back.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're going to run the ball. Yeah.
Jaheem White's going to matter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 16th in the fucking Big 12? What's Phil Steele doing? He's hanging out with that Chef Chang.

Speaker 1 Chef Chang.

Speaker 2 Don't put fucking Phil Steele in the chef.

Speaker 1 The same conversation.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're hanging out.

Speaker 1 Nah. They're brainstorming together.
They're thinking of the same dumb list together.

Speaker 1 Phil Steele and Chef Chang out there just tag teaming to make people miserable with their wrong ideas and opinions.

Speaker 2 I do hate that he couldn't just land on one top team. Got three ones up there.
Didn't love that.

Speaker 2 Make a decision. Stick by.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that. See, Phil Steele has lost his fastball.
Two, three, fourth places. Yeah.
Okay. He doesn't know.

Speaker 3 That doesn't work.

Speaker 1 And also, do we know if Phil Steele actually did this, or would this guy just tweet this?

Speaker 2 I assume he'll be doing it for another four years.

Speaker 1 Magazine comes out soon. Whatever the case, West Virginia, you need to know that somebody's saying you guys are dead last.
Get to work, boys. Get to work, boys.
What year is Jaheem White?

Speaker 1 I think he's his last year. Okay.
Because he's transferring or because he's a senior? I think he's a senior? Junior? Senior. So you you got to hold on to him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well. Hold on for dear life.
I thought

Speaker 1 your best player went to Ohio State, right? That was another one. C.J.

Speaker 3 The portal was closed, right?

Speaker 1 Yes, but also that was C.J. Donaldson.
Yeah. C.J.
Donaldson, very good player. Very, very good player.
Very good running back. Obviously, he went to Ohio State.
He's a very good player.

Speaker 1 I will say Jaheem White, though. Good player.
Good player. Dog.
Dog. They had a split backfield, you know? Those are two ponies back there running.
Jaheem White, good good player.

Speaker 1 Got some big boys up front? I think Jaheem White, if he was to hit the transfer portal, I think he would have got a big. Yeah, for sure.
I think he would have got a big, but he didn't.

Speaker 1 He said, I want dude to work. That hard edge.

Speaker 1 I want that hard edge.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do appreciate those that stuck around. Now, I think there was a large group of people that we, and by we, I'm talking about the West Virginia football team going forward, wanted out of there.

Speaker 2 Always.

Speaker 1 Like, hey.

Speaker 1 Pretty evident you're not supposed to be here.

Speaker 1 Don't you think?

Speaker 1 You're a little slow.

Speaker 1 You kind of see how everything here is fast. Everything we're doing, speed-based.

Speaker 1 You're slow. Everything we're doing here, toughness.

Speaker 1 You're soft.

Speaker 1 Everything we're doing here, football. You're a content creator.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 there's a lot of that going on.

Speaker 1 Good. There's a lot of that going on from my understanding.

Speaker 1 I don't know if there was a lot of content creators, but everything else I said, I think was happening behind the scenes, trying to get culture in there.

Speaker 1 You know, we got to get our guys in there, but those who stay will be great. They're not going to finish 16th.

Speaker 5 No, and if you finish 11th, that's a massive success.

Speaker 1 We're not going to finish fucking 11th.

Speaker 5 I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 Okay, I don't know what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 It's an over-under. Over-under for them.

Speaker 1 Two and a half? Five and a half?

Speaker 1 Textile Phil Steele, Big 12

Speaker 1 conference. Really hard to read, but you see 16 there, and then what? West Virginia?

Speaker 1 Five and a half is the in 23. Neil Brown and West Virginia were motivated by being picked last in a Big 12 media bowl.

Speaker 1 The Mountaineers rode a powerful run game, a strong defense, to a 9-4 record, including a 30-10 bowl blowout. Last year, they rated a

Speaker 1 shell of, what does that say? Minus three and a half.

Speaker 1 Minus three and a half, and did not get to, did get to six and five before a blowout loss to Texas Tech and Browns let go. Richrod returns and does have

Speaker 1 14 returning starters. When Rich Rod was at Jack State, I picked them last in a conference year.
Okay. Oh, he might.
And they went 9-4.

Speaker 1 So I am wary of picking them here, but it seems like a third of the team was not even in yet by the summer. So that's a lot of movement.
Phil Steele hates Rich Rodriguez. Certainly.

Speaker 1 Okay, he doesn't believe in the hard edge. Fair.
Hey, Phil Steele. Okay.

Speaker 1 We appreciate your transparency there, but

Speaker 1 you gave it away. We just read it.
Go ahead. Did you see his running back rankings? Down there, bottom right? Number one running back in the Big 12.
Jaheem White. Okay.

Speaker 1 So Rich Rodriguez's offense is a running offense.

Speaker 1 He did it again. Number one in Baylor, number one in Kansas State, number one in Iowa State.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but what he also has is West Virginia having the 15th best line.

Speaker 1 So if we have a great running back, but we

Speaker 1 got him up front. You got to remember Rich Rod's offensive lines.
We're moving, brother. We're moving.

Speaker 3 It might take some time to get his people in there, though.

Speaker 1 We're moving, though. It didn't take time in Jasmineville State.

Speaker 3 It took a couple years. I mean, they went 9-4.
That's pretty good last year.

Speaker 1 Honestly. Who?

Speaker 3 West Virginia. They were 9-4 last year.

Speaker 1 23.

Speaker 3 My bad. Okay.
Can I say Neil Brown gets fired after 9-4?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. Last year it was 6-5 and then blown out at the end there.
The Penn State loss just really set the tone for how everybody was going to judge West Virginia.

Speaker 1 That was the weather's fault.

Speaker 3 They almost made the national championship, though.

Speaker 1 We were on pace before the season started.

Speaker 5 Hay was in the barn when we were there, and that water bottle fell down, and he almost had a heart attack.

Speaker 1 That was kind of fun. It's all me.
That one was all me. Yeah, but think about when we were there for that the day before Penn State.

Speaker 1 Think about the energy that was on that game. It's incredible.
It's awesome. It's students' fault.
I have no idea how many people were there.

Speaker 1 I don't even want to put a number on it, but that place was fucking packed out. Ready for football.
Ready for the football season.

Speaker 1 And then Penn State, there's a weather delay and that kind of offset everything because we were prepared for one particular game. New game came.
It was a lot longer.

Speaker 1 How we're supposed to deal with this, even though we got a nicer locker room and nicer everything. We didn't deal with that well.
And then it just kind of carried in the rest of the day.

Speaker 1 They were making TikToks and playing video games. Today's got me so fucking juiced for football.
So juiced. A lot of football today.

Speaker 1 Drake May said he's bummed football's ending.

Speaker 1 Connor, I know you saw the clip. Drake May was asked about mandatory minicamp coming to a close and the offseason workout schedule ending.
This is what he had to say. Good.

Speaker 1 I think I'm starting to kind of really kind of find a stride. I'm kind of bummed out.
We're about to leave. But, no, it's fun.

Speaker 1 Anytime we're going against a great defense, they got good players, two great corners. I tell Gons every day I'm going to test them.
I'm not going to not throw at them

Speaker 1 or CD. You know, two of of the, you know, I think the best corners and one of the best duos in the league.
What an opportunity for us to go out there every day and throw against those guys.

Speaker 1 He was just finding a groove, and now it's over. Is he going to be able to find it again when the season starts? Oh,

Speaker 1 he was not just finding a groove, and now it's over. He now has McDaniels' new offense locked in.
You know, he also was one of those guys that has to completely restart this year, but he's not scared.

Speaker 1 Stephon Diggs comes in. He's giving kids pop rocks and, you know, enjoying his time, kind of showing everybody.
I don't think they were kids. They were calling him daddy.
And

Speaker 1 his locker is

Speaker 1 right next to Drake May, which is really cool. Got that, you know, established number one wide receiver, got that O-line.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't want to put the cart before the horse here, but we got a white boy from Eastern Washington who plays wide receiver. His name's Efton Chisholm.
Holy

Speaker 1 shit, Chisholm's got the pizza.

Speaker 1 Chizaz. Chiz.
The Chizaz. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's got the Chizaz.

Speaker 1 And Chiz allegedly allegedly has led basically all receivers in catches over this time. So, yeah, look, Drake May won fucking 11-14 two days ago, 16-18 yesterday.

Speaker 1 Today, he probably won fucking 20-day. So, if I'm you guys, all I'm thinking is, God, I hope the Patriots aren't that surprised team that comes all the way back this year.

Speaker 1 Because if it is, I'm probably fired by week three because

Speaker 1 I'm going to be the worst to be around.

Speaker 1 If you thought I was bad in the suite when the Celtics were playing the Pacers last year, just wait to see what happens if the Patriots start off 6-0.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine you, as a Patriots fan, having that high of the high, greatest dynasty of all time, and then down, we're rebuilding, and then you build it back faster than like the Colts

Speaker 1 or like any of the other. You would be so arrogant.
It would be. We did what you guys have had to try to do for the last 30 years.
We were able to do it two years. It took us two years.

Speaker 1 What's so hard? All we had to bring back was Mike Rapel. Are you kidding me? You guys bring back Jeff Saturday.
That almost worked. We bring back Mike Rabel.

Speaker 1 Holy fuck, we're already going back to the AFC. This hasn't happened yet.
You're running your mouth a little bit.

Speaker 1 It hasn't happened yet, but I think everybody in here knows there's a real chance it happens.

Speaker 1 I'm not there yet just because new offense everyone. Yeah, you are.
You're there. No, I'm not.
Hey, we're all kind of there, which is the fear. Like, because we all believe in vames, I think, right?

Speaker 1 Yep. We all believe in vampes.

Speaker 3 For sure. So

Speaker 1 it's just like, yeah, I assume the Patriots are going to win games again. And we just have to be prepared for that as a society, that the Mass Holes are going to be just that again.

Speaker 1 And they're going to have a reason to be loud. And

Speaker 1 the silver lining of last year was Drake May. And now it feels as though the only question of this year is Drake May.

Speaker 1 So if we can just put ourselves back when we saw that big son of a bitch throw that touchdown pass to Kayshawn Booty down the sideline against the Texans.

Speaker 1 I think we can all be there like, oh, yeah, they might win 12 games. Anthony Richardson had a 72-yard ball to Pittman, I believe, or Alec Pierce.
But that's the thing. We should put ourselves there.

Speaker 1 How about the fourth quarter drive drive against the Patriots? Two-minute drill. How about Danny Times' playoff victory where he went for 350 and 100 rushing? Who was that against the Vikings?

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm there right now, brother. In Minnesota.
I do remember that. He went for 350.
How about Jordan Love?

Speaker 5 We'll see. I mean, we got fucking Bo Milton as CB1 right now, so that's kind of a

Speaker 5 little more pressing concern than Jordan Love's going to be just fine. We got a fucking six-round receiver, you know, trying to lock down Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 That's a bit of an area of concern. I thought you had belief in the entire entirety.

Speaker 5 I do. I mean, fucking give him Hill Halfley.
He'll get the boys in line.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh.
But, I mean, what do we do? This ain't fucking Pop Warner. This ain't high school.
It's a bad ball. It's a bad ball.
That's one rep. Go to the other rep.
Go to

Speaker 1 Rob Domofsky. I think he's covering them.

Speaker 3 Could he play corner with number 80 on? Would they let him? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Troy Brown did it. Oh, yeah, you can do whatever you want now, I guess.

Speaker 3 There's no rules on numbers anymore from his positions.

Speaker 1 This is a good one. Ah, break.

Speaker 1 Didn't come directly back to the ball, but he was seen. Big six.

Speaker 5 Invading a defender. You can't say there's a guy right there who makes it miss and then takes it back.

Speaker 1 Glad you guys are all having a bunch of fun. Did you guys see that edit of Aaron Rodgers? Yo.

Speaker 1 Did you see the edit of Aaron Rodgers Steelers put up? You're talking about the video we've run here a couple times? Oh, have we? I haven't. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I've ran it a lot. Yeah, probably four or five.
This one? At least. How about when he spins the ball at the number eight? It's going boom.

Speaker 5 Tell you what.

Speaker 1 When those boys over there at the graphics department over there at the Steelers get three or four months and know a guy's coming, Hey, we'll put together some fox.

Speaker 1 How about the darts on a dartboard? Yeah, wait till the ball turns into signed. Where is it?

Speaker 1 It's right here. Boom.
Agree to terms.

Speaker 1 Wow. You actually said it

Speaker 1 earlier when that was on. Yeah.
I had a moment too when I said it. I'm like, god damn, that ball says what I just said right there.
That was cool. I thought it was greed.

Speaker 1 I was like, are they saying he's the greed bastard? Go to this guy.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 he's going to be doing a lot of that.

Speaker 1 And you guys got a four-time MVP quarterback? I didn't think so. We do.

Speaker 1 Patriots do, Tony.

Speaker 1 Just check back in and 10 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Danny Dimes. We don't know what's in store for Danny Dimes.
Greatness, I think.

Speaker 5 He's going to be comeback player of the year this year. And he might win it.

Speaker 1 No, remember, that's not the thing. Oh, yeah, they changed the rules.
But the other fans are. I think Finn's even doing training camp this year.
Are you guys playing football?

Speaker 1 Or all I've heard is just people potentially leaving.

Speaker 2 We are. John New Smith isn't there.

Speaker 2 I actually like Mike McDaniel. I think Shraig's might have mentioned it earlier.
Or, yeah, I think Shraig's mentioned it. I liked his answer when he was asked about John Newt and Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 2 But yeah, they're there. They'll compete and won't win a playoff game.
And, you know, it'll be extended our, I think, believe 26-year streak now.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, kind of bummed out about that.

Speaker 1 It's a playoff win. Yeah, we can't even buzz about teams, though.

Speaker 1 He doesn't give a fuck about the Dolphins. What?

Speaker 1 He only gives a fuck. I had a Dolphins lid on yesterday.
Yeah, which is interesting. I don't care.
For a Panthers game. Dumpy cares about the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 Tumpy's super positive towards them always.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you want to know why I care so much about Concafa? Because of this fucking football team. You know, that's the closest I was going to get to winning something.
That's why I was losing my mind.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm happy Gump showed up.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tompy was bummed out about the Concafa loss, and I appreciate that type of passion and emotion. He wasn't the only one.
Faso, bummed out. Talked to Jeff Cameron, bummed out.

Speaker 1 Meet sent me a message, bummed out.

Speaker 1 Gordo Gerson hasn't stopped boozing.

Speaker 1 We don't know. Gordo is an impressive.

Speaker 7 Gordo Gordo had a very good tournament. He was a workhorse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a wagon. Gordo is a wagon.
Ledesma sent me a message. Oh, I love Ledesma.
He's so good. Yeah, he is good.

Speaker 5 Great addition.

Speaker 1 He said, I'm so sorry that I did not play more for you. Ledesma.
Did you say, damn right, son, get back in the gym? No. Guy had one leg, dude.
I said, Ledesma. He scored several goals.
He was so good.

Speaker 1 His boy, too, was one of the coolest kids I've been around. He's got a 12-year-old, I think, that was hanging around the team.

Speaker 1 Dan, Ben,

Speaker 1 Benjamin, Benny,

Speaker 1 I don't get the name wrong. I apologize.
He was hanging out with us the entire time. He was cool.
Ledesma should be in the MLS.

Speaker 7 I guess he played one year with Cincinnati and now he just runs a bunch of academies.

Speaker 1 Porch meet, all those guys. We have so many good soccer players.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Black Boots was beside himself.

Speaker 1 Mario, yeah, playing upside down. Waterbug.

Speaker 1 Where are they there? Pacheco?

Speaker 2 Like Porch. Where's he? Does he play?

Speaker 5 It's crazy that fucking guy isn't in the MLS. So how fast and quick he is.
It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 How about just watching that tournament? How many good players there are? It's like, so none of these guys are

Speaker 1 good. What do you lose? Well, we don't.
How good are the MLS?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. I had a golfing, I guess.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. You go out there and play with Scratch Golf.

Speaker 1 You're like, this guy with horse.

Speaker 7 I don't know. I watch a lot of MLS.
I'm telling you, there's room for Chad Porch on that field.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And what about Ledesmo?

Speaker 7 Yeah, legit. I don't know why Ledesmo only played one year.

Speaker 7 I think Porch basically, he had a tryout right before COVID, and he got hurt, and then he never got a chance to go back after COVID with MLS.

Speaker 1 So good. I mean, there's like so much talent.
Our team has so much talent. Every team that makes it has so much talent.
And he watched me, like, there has to be a reason. Like, what happened here?

Speaker 1 And we're lucky for it, though. I'm fucking thankful.
Because if they're in the MLS, they wouldn't be allowed to play.

Speaker 1 It's like a pro contract at the highest level. You're not allowed to be there, right?

Speaker 1 That's why like arena league guys

Speaker 1 are allowed to be in there because it's not considered the tier one.

Speaker 7 That was his first. He won rookie of the year in the arena league.
It was his first year. Him and Pacheco were on Baltimore.

Speaker 1 Pacheco. Waterbug.
Yeah, Waterbug's a fucking junkyard dog. Did Grella reach out and say sorry?

Speaker 1 He sent me a star.

Speaker 1 Is he bummed at all? He is bummed. My cash hasn't checked.
Is that what he said to you?

Speaker 1 Check out the cash.

Speaker 1 We don't get no.

Speaker 1 It's a jump, Sammon.

Speaker 1 You nailed it. But no, Grella was bummed out.

Speaker 1 Everybody was bummed out.

Speaker 5 Gumps did say that Grella jumped in the car with his kids right after the game and drove back to New Jersey. So I think he's had a

Speaker 5 I mean, I can't imagine that.

Speaker 1 Fucking,

Speaker 1 they all wanted to win. Grella didn't give a fuck.
I could see it in his eyes. What? I could see it in his eyes.
You weren't there, but two days?

Speaker 1 We were there on Thursday before the most important time. And I could tell just from the look on it.
No, you were taking a shot at different people.

Speaker 1 Remember, Grella's the third person on your list you've taken shots at. No,

Speaker 1 I said sorry to break earlier, and then it's just just been Grella.

Speaker 1 Grella's talking about the outlaws are dragging people off you.

Speaker 1 Outlaw desert. Talk about the outlaw a bit.
No, I did not. Look, I think the outlaw can look himself in the mirror and say, how the fuck am I leaving this place scoreless? Okay.

Speaker 1 I assume the Indianapolis outlaw knows he underperformed, and that's why the outlaw is probably working right now. Grella doesn't give a fuck, man.

Speaker 1 He was in Grella was in better shape than he was last year, for sure. I mean, lost 20 pounds.
That didn't show me anything. If anything, we needed him a little more beefy.
Let's go to

Speaker 1 away from soccer. Let's get back to football.
Ashley Washburn

Speaker 1 is reporting from Brian Gunst. Kuntz, it's just something we're going to take a look at and see if it's a possibility.
He's talking about Bo Melton. So don't lose your mind.
They're just seeing

Speaker 1 no stone left unturned.

Speaker 1 I get it.

Speaker 5 I mean, it's just one of those things where you kind of have a knee-jerk reaction. Say, what the fuck is that guy doing out there playing defense? You know, that guy.

Speaker 1 For the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 5 Exactly. You know, I mean, went to the playoffs last year thinking, May, hey, mate, this might be the year they take another.

Speaker 1 Have one. Yeah, maybe have one.

Speaker 5 Now's the time to maybe have one. Maybe think about having one.
But instead, we got Bo Milton out there playing defense. I'm not going to overreact yet, but I'll tell you what, if

Speaker 5 they go into the season, and if I see this again in two weeks, I'm going to be beside myself.

Speaker 1 Luckily for you, not till training caps. You got a couple weeks.
You could just rest. Yeah, it won't happen in a few weeks.

Speaker 5 No, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 Maybe you're not going to see. We'll show you the video the next couple weeks.

Speaker 1 Yep. Well, you know, this was happening in June.
Trey Man's right around a corner.

Speaker 5 Well, I get it, too, because Bo Milton had about 40 drops last year on offense, so maybe we should move him to defense and see what he can do over there.

Speaker 1 Well, he did have a drop on defense. I know, that's okay.

Speaker 5 You're not, I mean, you know, a pick isn't, you know, an expectation. That's a PBU.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 After these mini-camps, mandatory minicamps.

Speaker 1 I feel like you've told the story before. Everyone is just smoking tires out of here for six weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, I think. Except Drake Mann.
You guys shorten the weekend, right? I think so because I thought we started kind of early. But coaches will do that.
If there's high

Speaker 1 attendance for the voluntary ones, like we were, for instance, at the Colts, I think we were like 99% attendance for the voluntary. There was one player that was not there.

Speaker 1 Pretty important piece, was paid a lot of money. He showed up at mandatory minicamp.
He was injured. Okay, so basically we had already done everything throughout the entire voluntary.

Speaker 1 So Chuck cut off a day in the end because the only reason why mandatory really mattered was because this one player who was going to be a starter, who was paid a lot of money, who showed up at the weight of a different position,

Speaker 1 not fat, more muscle, actually,

Speaker 1 and was injured,

Speaker 1 was not able, bingo, was not able to do the mandatory minicamp. So it's like, we already got all our work in.

Speaker 1 So like I saw some people talk about the Patriots shortening your mandatory minicamp and being like, I saw some people talking shit on it.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, that means they've already got all the work in. Yeah, that's a good thing.
That's not a bad. That means that's like a faster practice is a good thing.

Speaker 1 A faster practice means they've got through everything right as opposed to having to restart. It's like the longer practices are bad.

Speaker 1 The longer camps, not saying that a full mandatory mini-camp is bad. And there's some people that probably have 100%, 100% attendance that will do a full camp.

Speaker 1 But I think more often than not, a lot of the shit's already done. The mandatory is just like, if the guys aren't there, they're like forced to kind of be there.

Speaker 1 But if everybody's already there, cutting short is like... not a problem at all.
That's awesome. So you'd almost want your team to be at a point where they cut it short.
Like, we know our shit.

Speaker 1 Let's go ahead and get one more extra day of break here before training camp because it's going to be a long haul for us. And as soon as everybody's getting out of that parking lot, I mean, there is,

Speaker 2 it's an important stretch, you know.

Speaker 3 Coaches, too. Yep.

Speaker 2 I always get that speech. You know, don't be that guy.
You know, between this stretch, you got four, five, six weeks off. You don't want to be in the news for anything.

Speaker 2 Obviously, you want to show back up to training camp in shape. You don't want to show up to training camp and get a soft tissue injury.

Speaker 2 You know, one, two days into camp, and it just throws your whole season off. So this is a critical point in time, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Don't get arrested.
Yeah, that too. Okay, I did that.
There will be plenty. There will be plenty.
Yeah, that's why a lot of people want to change the way the NFL calendar is.

Speaker 1 It's like, hey, don't we think we shouldn't have six weeks before the most important?

Speaker 1 A lot of people want to move it to later and lead right into training camp. Have you seen that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, we're adults.

Speaker 3 Come on now.

Speaker 1 Like, we're adults.

Speaker 3 We got to be able to treat them like an adult.

Speaker 1 You're hearing guys that want to have summer. Yes.
Yeah. Coaches need, you need that time.

Speaker 3 You don't need to. Yeah, I don't need to extend the season by six weeks by doing that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's exactly what that was being pitched, remember? Because during COVID, that's how it kind of went.

Speaker 1 Three weeks or four weeks into the season, and everybody's bodies said they felt better and all that shit. Yeah, because once you show up.
Be a pro.

Speaker 1 Be a pro, that's all it is.

Speaker 3 You should, like. Technically, you should be able to handle a little bit of time off when you should work out on your own and then not, you know, kill somebody.

Speaker 1 Stephon Diggs met with reporters for the first time since the boat video says Phil A. Perry.
What was in the bag? Obviously, it's a conversation that's happening internally.

Speaker 1 He says, I can't have too much conversation about it. Boom.

Speaker 1 He gets it. There's a conversation happening inside of me right now.

Speaker 1 Can't talk to you too much about it. Nope.
He's just back in Maryland with his girlfriend. He was also doing some sort of camp, I believe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, bingo. Yeah, Maryland.
He was doing a football camp. Okay, so that's where he was back in Maryland.
I did not know that. And then he runs on a field, and he's just so fast.
He's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Wait till you see Afton Chisholm, though. This fucking guy, man.
I'm not even kidding. You're saying Chezaz is the one.
I'm saying there's a real shot here. We got

Speaker 1 an Edelman, a Cooper Cup, Diamond in the Rough.

Speaker 1 There seems to be a couple of similarities between those comparisons. Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 he also has a lot of West Walker in him. Oh, really? Yeah, there's some of that.
I would have never guessed him. Yeah, yeah.
He's about like Golden tape.

Speaker 3 Like a slot, like golden tate, maybe? Here he is.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 1 Cheers.

Speaker 1 Chiz.

Speaker 1 Coach had great coverage on him. That coach in his hip pocket.
What school? What school do you go to again? Eastern Washington. Ewo.
Okay.

Speaker 1 That's what they do. And then Chizaz comes in and breaks him up.
He does like the Jabba Walkie East. Yeah, bingo.

Speaker 1 Bing. Yeah.
I know

Speaker 1 exactly what you're saying. All right, Chizaz, good luck out there.
He's a rookie? Yeah, undrafted free agent.

Speaker 1 So we're going to have to put on our boots, if you will. Sure.
We would go to workroof. And maybe.

Speaker 5 Maybe think about having one.

Speaker 1 And then if you don't at this exact time, maybe in the future you...

Speaker 5 Yeah, you can maybe have one a little later. At some point.
But at some point, you're going to want to have one.

Speaker 1 How did 77 not have one?

Speaker 5 I still don't know. Jose Antonio Medina Alvarez,

Speaker 5 whatever the fuck his name is, something in that ballpark.

Speaker 1 He needed to have one.

Speaker 5 He needed to have a few more.

Speaker 1 in that ballpark

Speaker 1 fat tony big boots they were calling him fat tony earlier which they do call him i believe i don't know if he accepts that name but i know they were calling him that around the tournament he's so good his

Speaker 1 you look at him he's not supposed to be that good no he's kind of short definitely round soccer want to be able to run a lot he is very flexible he is he he's special that whole team was filled i guess they play in tournaments around the world they go play in tournaments and win them.

Speaker 1 They weren't able to beat Bumpy Pitch.

Speaker 1 I mean, nobody will. Where are they from? They won the women's and the men's.
The Bumpy Pitched it? No, U.S. U.S.
women's national team won. Oh, though.
Carly Lloyd. Nice.
Hey, Carly Lloyd.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I was watching the highlights.
I was following. She was in the same hotel we were in.
Every time I walked by her, I said, Legend, very nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 She was with her family each time. Legend, very good to see you.
Legend, very good to see you. Because what she did with the U.S.
women's national team, like, real deal. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I forget how many years she was on the women's national team. It's some, she played forever, basically.

Speaker 1 And she still got it. I think she had like four goals in the TSD team.
I think she had one of the championship deals. She did, yeah.
Hope Solo strike. Hope Solo's team, Solo FC.

Speaker 1 She made the all-TSD team. Hope Solo did.
I guess she caused a penalty kick and then saved a penalty kick.

Speaker 1 Classic Hope Solo football. Exactly.

Speaker 1 That tournament was great. It was.
It really was. Long, man.
Very long. But it has to be, I think, for survival.
Oh,

Speaker 1 because at the end there, your legs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do it as quick as possible exactly like i think those elimination rounds have to be that way or nobody will make it to the final or the games would just suck and be not entertaining at all

Speaker 1 yeah or whatever team's in the best shape will win which still yeah kind of holds true which is kind of the nba and i don't think that gets talked about enough teams that are in the best shape in the nba win i don't I don't think that is chatted about nearly enough whenever it comes to roster construction or team building.

Speaker 1 The reason why the Pacers have been so damn good, obviously they got a lot of talent. They're in in the best shape.
Oklahoma City, you watch them, same exact thing.

Speaker 1 SGA looks like it's game 41 right now. They're like 100 games into the season.
This has been a long

Speaker 1 ass season for these guys. It's a lot of running, too.

Speaker 1 And I'm not saying those haven't done it in the past, but it's like watching the New York Knicks team slowly die while they were playing against the Pacers, which is clearly what happened.

Speaker 1 Even in the games, fourth quarters. Oh, the Pacers come back in the fourth quarter.
The Pacers come back in the fourth quarter. It's because of how good a shape they're in.

Speaker 1 It's because like what they, that's like a part of the strategy. Like, let's keep it close until the fourth, and then we should be able to wear on them.

Speaker 1 It's like the OKC team has the same, they have the same mindset. So, maybe when you're thinking about your NBA team, you should say, are they in good shape or not? And maybe that's why Nico down there

Speaker 2 in Dallas was like, enough is enough.

Speaker 3 That's why Reddick's saying that. Reddick's saying they need to be in championship shape.

Speaker 1 Luca, I saw Luca

Speaker 1 squatting a thousand pounds. I love the video.
Just post the video.

Speaker 1 We got some video of Aaron Rodgers taking some dropbacks as a Pittsburgh Steeler. Setko?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Is that a t-shirt or is that a jersey? Jersey.
I think it's a shersey.

Speaker 1 I think he's wearing a shersey.

Speaker 2 Nimble.

Speaker 1 Look how nimble. Nimble is the right word.
They got yellow sleeves. He's wearing a t-shirt underneath the jersey.
Classic Aaron Rodgers. Man.
He looks good.

Speaker 1 Setho. Oh, look at the handoff.
It's like he's been there all voluntary.

Speaker 1 Oh, geez. Back up.
Get up on the foot of those running backs.

Speaker 1 You see Will Howard? Hey, get back. Get back.
Get back.

Speaker 1 Go to the handoff there where he does the.

Speaker 2 Carry out the fake.

Speaker 1 Pause, spawn, spa, pause, pause, pause. Oh, no.
Hey, get back, get back, get back.

Speaker 1 Jeez, Louise.

Speaker 1 What are the other quarterbacks? Other quarterbacks obviously aren't carrying out all the way up.

Speaker 1 They just think they're comfortable now.

Speaker 1 Those aren't the quarterbacks. Quarterbacks are studying Aaron's.
Oh, that's the running backs. Yeah, get the fuck out of the way.
Jeez, Luis. Well, Aaron's going first, obviously.
Who is that?

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh. What's the number? Rolling angle there, Kevin.
He got a lunch his number.

Speaker 2 Oh, we got another championship this weekend.

Speaker 1 Hey, good luck to the Steelers. Looks like he's a okay, by the way.
Aaron looks like the voluntary OTAs maybe weren't important.

Speaker 2 What were you saying? Another championship. Final Bosses League.

Speaker 1 What's going on?

Speaker 2 Oh, you guys weren't aware?

Speaker 1 No, UFL? UFL championship.

Speaker 2 Okay. There we go.
UFL championship.

Speaker 1 DC.

Speaker 1 I didn't even think about it. Come on.
Rock there. That's on me.
Sorry, Dwayne.

Speaker 1 UFL has their championship?

Speaker 1 You knew that. Yes, I did.

Speaker 1 You can watch it this weekend on Fox. Fox.
On Fox. On Saturday.

Speaker 5 Saturday. Watch these going.

Speaker 1 What they're doing. Happy Sunday.

Speaker 2 Sunday. I'm going to make it a whole weekend.

Speaker 1 D-Bucks, will you cover it for us? Thank you. Cool.
Boots on the ground. Boots on the ground.
Darius J.

Speaker 1 Butler will be down at the UFL championship where the defenders will take on the Michigan Panthers.

Speaker 1 The Michigan Panthers, obviously, very good because they had a kicker last year that was making 60-plus yards.

Speaker 1 This year they said, we're not just a kicker. No, no.
We're a team. They have Puka's brother.
And don't even get into the beer snakes with the DC defenders.

Speaker 1 They play good football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They will be playing on.

Speaker 1 I believe it's Saturday.

Speaker 1 On Fox, it probably might be Sunday.

Speaker 5 It might be like 10 a.m., to be honest. They might slide that thing in early so people can go about their day, watch the U.S.
Open.

Speaker 1 Darius can't make it at 10 a.m. If it's at 10 a.m., he will not go.
Any other time, he is good to go.

Speaker 2 Got to go to Canada.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Canadian, Montreal Grandpa.

Speaker 2 Sweet kid.

Speaker 1 Oh. Yeah, I got to cover that.
That's Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 Qualies, Saturday.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think they do qualies in F1. It's just to make sure you get the car on, take selfies with it.

Speaker 1 Is that what the F1 do? Quali. Take selfies with all the cars.
Qualify. Yep, you qualified.
You can take a photo with the car. You can certainly do that.

Speaker 1 Tone has been looking for a long time on the date of this fucking trip. At 8 p.m.

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 ABC.

Speaker 1 ABC.

Speaker 1 On June 14th.

Speaker 1 ABC, 8 p.m. June 14th.

Speaker 1 Saturday night. Turk and Fauer.
Which is also Flag Day. And you can find that.

Speaker 1 Happy Flag Day to everybody. Sure.
Thank you. You too.
Being a sports fan isn't easy, especially if you're a UFL fan.

Speaker 1 Finding these games, geez, finding the championship even took a little bit of some research.

Speaker 1 But it'll be on ABC. You know where you can find ABC? YouTube TV.

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Speaker 1 a gombling.

Speaker 1 Damn it. Highlights, stats, scores.
I have been gombling. Me neither, really.

Speaker 1 I feel very proud of the fact that I've not put my money down on things I know nothing about. Me too.
I'm very happy that I no longer bet on things that I feel

Speaker 1 like I want them to win.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 a year ago, probably, this Pacers series, we're talking heavy bets. Sure.

Speaker 1 Heavy bets every single game because my mindset would be they only got a few more games left regardless, so we might as well get it in.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden OKC wins by 15 and it's all of a sudden, I'm a different animal the next day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I text Tyrese, Bub, fucking take it to Iraq.

Speaker 1 When you're gambling, you need to know what the hell you're betting on. Always.
That's a smart idea. And I'm not saying you need to gamble on sports.

Speaker 1 You can obviously enjoy sports without gambling on it. Many of us have.
Many of us are right now currently. But if you're looking to do a little

Speaker 1 YouTube TV has all the stats, scores, and everything you need to know in one place, they're trying to make your life better. And if you're a fan, wow.

Speaker 1 How much more informed are you because of our friends at YouTube TV, Mucho? You can also use multi-view to watch up to four games in one time. Sundays.

Speaker 1 So you can have the F1 Grand Prix standstill photo up on one side.

Speaker 1 You can have the UFL Championship on ABC on another side.

Speaker 1 You can have maybe the Ocho, which has the slippery stairs race

Speaker 1 on the lower left. And then you can also put some talk show on the lower right.

Speaker 1 Shout out to YouTube TV being the first to do something that every network and platform is going to do going forward.

Speaker 1 They mastered the multi-view.

Speaker 1 Shout to YouTube TV for that. That's a huge development in the world of watching entertainment.
No doubt.

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Speaker 1 Definitely getting the Express delivery, too. I don't need my food and drink taking a tour around town before it gets to me.

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That's easy stuff. You'll enjoy the shit out of YouTube TV.
Also, it learns about you. It does.

Speaker 1 So as soon as you get on there, they'll be like, hey, just a heads up. This is running right now.
Oh, you missed this. Would you like to see this?

Speaker 1 Or you can go to the live feature, boom, and it's all in there. YouTube TV makes watching TV convenient and it makes being a sports fan easy.
Shout out to YouTube TV. Shout out.

Speaker 1 And shout out to you guys for watching this program. Shamar Stewart fired back today.
I'm 100% right. Should be a no-brainer.
In Trey's case, should be a no-brainer, too.

Speaker 1 I'm not asking for nothing y'all have never done before, but y'all Bangles just want to win arguments more than winning games, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 What? Whoa. That's a good start.
That is a good start. Love it.

Speaker 1 That's Ramari Mirov at MySports Update. He is an actual aggregator of actual NFL news.
So I don't think he got hacked here. Do we know anything more about him saying this anywhere?

Speaker 1 It's a lot.

Speaker 3 Does he mean the Bangles organization or like the Bangles fanbase?

Speaker 1 I think the Bangles

Speaker 1 for sure.

Speaker 1 Paul Daynor Jr. is reporting the Shamar Stewart conversation at his locker is obviously not great.
Clear the frustration is bubbling up from a small annoyance to something more long-lasting.

Speaker 1 Most notable, something very simple to fix. It's kind of disappointing, so Shamar.
Interested to see the disenchantment with the organization's handling of this coming through so clearly now.

Speaker 1 I can't say what I really want to say. It's their contract.
They can do what they want with it.

Speaker 1 Some very frank and direct comments from Shamar Stewart and why he continues to feel he's 100% right to sit out. Clearly, very upset and frustrated with Bengals that he's not signed and on the field.

Speaker 1 Let's go to that. Let's go to the beginning of that clip and let's see what he had to say here.
This is three minutes and 35 seconds long. You can pause that, go full screen on it.

Speaker 2 Here we go.

Speaker 1 I actually have no idea. I really don't know.

Speaker 11 What have you been doing to stay locked in?

Speaker 11 And, you know, there's only so much that can replicate on the field reps, but what have you been doing to make sure that you're actually locked in when you're out there knowing that you can't do anything?

Speaker 1 Great question.

Speaker 1 I still go to meetings, I still study my playbook, you know, taking down the right notes, and then whenever I get some free time, I'll go out to train at Black Sheep.

Speaker 11 Is it fair to say at this point that you will not step foot on the practice field and practice until you're signed?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 1 Very bad. I mean, I've been doing this for mostly my whole life, and then all of a sudden it's gone over something very simple to fix.
It's kind of disappointing.

Speaker 11 Have they given you any answers as to why they're choosing this year and you to set a new precedent?

Speaker 1 If I really wanted to say, yeah,

Speaker 1 I can't say what I really want to say, but

Speaker 1 it's their contract. They can do what they want with it.

Speaker 1 Oh, that means something

Speaker 1 very important. What do you think from a player standpoint to be on the field for training camp?

Speaker 1 It's very important. I mean, like, you gotta get your body somewhat prepared to play football, especially me coming from college.

Speaker 1 The NFL is a way physical game, even though I play in SEC, which is very physical, but nothing compares to actually playing in the NFL. So

Speaker 1 I thought I'd be on the field by now. That's what I would thought.
Whatever

Speaker 1 representation, family, friends, obviously, you've got to lean on a lot of people to kind of get through a difficult time like this. What have they been telling you to help you?

Speaker 1 You know, just take it day by day, pray to God. You know, he's always going to stand with me

Speaker 1 no matter what.

Speaker 1 And just know

Speaker 1 you're doing the right thing.

Speaker 1 Like, some people say,

Speaker 1 we all agree Trey will be right, right?

Speaker 1 But technically, still 1% wrong. for being on the contract.
So in this in my case, I'm 100% right so it should be a no-brainer

Speaker 1 and in trey's case i think it should be a no-brainer too i mean he led 17 and a half sacks and two for two years back to back

Speaker 1 if i was the gm or i was the owner take all my money but i guess they don't operate like that but

Speaker 2 have this experience

Speaker 1 uh i talked to him the last time he was here but other than that no Has this experience soured your taste for the Bungles?

Speaker 1 I'm not gonna say that. I mean, I'm still new here.
We still have a lot of a long future ahead of us.

Speaker 3 What has your communication with Doc Taylor been like through this? He's very reasonable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like this kid a lot. Talk here and there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, me too. Do you feel behind?

Speaker 1 Mentally, no.

Speaker 2 Physically, kind of, sorta.

Speaker 1 Not really, though. I still work out.
I feel like I'm still in good shape. How do you make sure that you're ready to go

Speaker 1 when that time goes on? Oh, I'm always ready to go.

Speaker 1 I've been staying ready to go.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's my job now. I got no choice whether you're ready to go.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Optimistic is the wrong word, but is it realistic that you could practice tomorrow if something gets done? I mean, is it that quick? Do you think it's going to be like a light switch?

Speaker 1 Let's see. We got, what?

Speaker 1 20 hours? Let's see what happens.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Schmark. Thank you.
Appreciate it. I think he handled that very, very well.
Shout out to Trags on X, by the way, for posting it.

Speaker 1 Mike Petraglia is the one that posted there, even though there was a lot of media surrounding him at that moment. I'll tell you what, calm, composed.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm working out.

Speaker 1 I'm down at Black Sheep. I guess that is probably a gym near there.
Because if it's voiding the entire contract, if something happens, he doesn't want anything to happen.

Speaker 1 Obviously, there's some sort of, and

Speaker 1 him saying their contract.

Speaker 1 I wonder how many times the Bengals have said, you're coming to our team.

Speaker 1 This is our offer to you. And this is how it's going to go.
And then they asked, have you ever done this before? No. This is the first time we're doing this.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't think so. And then him talking on Trey's situation.

Speaker 1 The guy got 17 and a half sacks. I guess if I was a GMA owner, I'd say have my money, but I guess that's not how they do it around here.
Has this soured your taste?

Speaker 1 No, I guess we're going to have a long relationship. I mean, everything about him, I'm like, I like the way this guy was perfect.
I like the way this guy operated.

Speaker 1 I mean, that was a real babyface move right there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because that's a really, really, really tough spot to be in. Like he said, you are taking that huge jump and you got to just stand there and look like the asshole on practice.

Speaker 2 It's not doing what everybody else is doing.

Speaker 2 And we always say control the controllables when you come in as a young player and you have a team around you that you want to trust.

Speaker 2 Seems like he's controlling the controllable and he answered some tough questions there to be in that spot. So I'm frustrated for the young kid as well.
Hopefully they can figure it out.

Speaker 2 But this is probably bigger than just him and his agent. I'm sure the PA probably has reached out to his agent as well.
Like, absolutely not. Don't accept that.

Speaker 2 So So hopefully they get this figured out sooner than later. He's already missed so much valuable time, especially with a guy that

Speaker 2 you know is going to have to make a huge jump production-wise on the next level if he's going to live up to his drafts slot. So hopefully it works out.

Speaker 2 But watching that clip, it kind of completely changes my view of him in this situation.

Speaker 2 Not that I had a fully negative one, but just hearing him talk and answer those questions definitely has me 1,000% on his side.

Speaker 1 I was a punter, seventh-round draft pick, so I shouldn't have an opinion about anybody really publicly whenever it comes to playing the sport of football, especially if you make it to the NFL.

Speaker 1 But in my mind, when I heard about this, I was thinking to myself, rook ass rook, shut up. You know, like this contract is not the one you're getting rich off of, anyways.

Speaker 1 Like, the next one is the one you want. We need to be trying to get everything we can get done to get to the next contract.
That's where you get rich.

Speaker 1 Like, the first one, obviously, great, but we want to get to the next one. And as a rookie, you are no longer the guy.
Like, you're in a room full of the guys. I mean, it's a whole new thing.

Speaker 1 So, my natural reaction was like this dude thinks the nfl revolves around him he has no idea how this goes then i listen to him talk and i'm like hold the phone i love this guy yeah i would like this guy on my team actually why won't the bangles get it done i i feel like um

Speaker 1 i'm i'm very happy we listened to that and also shamar hey stand on business everybody you stand on your business i wouldn't want to be a guinea pig for a new clause either i don't think now how many other teams do this you know like that's the that's the next question are the bangles the only team doing this

Speaker 3 He's protecting the next year, the next couple of first-round picks because if Bengals slip this into his contract, they can show next year's first-round pick.

Speaker 3 Well, this is kind of what we do, and they can kind of pressure their agent and whoever the next pick would be. So I do wonder if any other teams are trying to put this clause in.

Speaker 1 I'm assuming they're the only one. I'm assuming if it's something shitty, then the Bengals are the only team doing it.

Speaker 1 The little tidbit Florio release, too, that kind of completely pivoted the entire thing for me even before hearing that, just because

Speaker 1 once you realize, oh, the Bengals are just trying to screw over their first overall or 17th overall pick, their first rounder, there's no point in agreeing with the Bengals in any situation.

Speaker 1 Is there a precedent of like him

Speaker 1 Mr. President? Yeah, precedent, whatever.

Speaker 1 Is there a situation where a first rounder has just never bosa right? The bosas. I think something happened with the bosas.
But I mean like never. There's was money in bosas signed like the first one.

Speaker 1 The bone Jackson of week one, like where

Speaker 1 you just never signed your first wasn't he drafted to a team in the Raiders, maybe? And he just didn't go.

Speaker 5 He went to I think it was like the Bucs or something, and he told them before they drafted him, like, hey, if you draft me, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 Joey, he wanted to play baseball. Yeah, Joey missed all the preseason games.
His contract didn't get done until

Speaker 1 both of them. I think both of them were.
So did Nick's. But I think that's when it's money, that's one thing because it wasn't their whole dispute.

Speaker 1 Guarantees money, yeah. This one is a clause on future voids.
And they were both top three picks. This is the 17th.
Hey, shout out to the young agent reading through that thing and finding the clause.

Speaker 3 He had to send it. I would assume he sent it to multiple other agents.
He's friends.

Speaker 1 Hey, is this

Speaker 3 normal, right? Like, we can't be signing this.

Speaker 1 You got to remember there's lawyers, too. They'll sneak a clause in there deep, 30 pages, 40 pages in, 20 pages in.
You know, they do that.

Speaker 1 So other lawyers are forced to be hired to read through these things. Whereas, whereas, whereas,

Speaker 1 whereas,

Speaker 1 we're four pages in, and whereas has only said one fucking thing. But who wants to sit here and do all this? Oh, other lawyers do.
So you need to hire another lawyer to deal with the other lawyer.

Speaker 1 So then lawyers always have what? Work. Billable hours.
And this agent

Speaker 1 and the lawyers that read through it, if it's not him, if the lawyers for the agent read through it, whatever found it and were like, nope, that's a good deal. Good for them.
I'm happy they did that.

Speaker 1 Jake Arthur at Jake Arthur NFL is reporting that first series of 11 on 11, Daniel Jones, three of three, hit Michael Pittman for a touchdown on faith. Wow.

Speaker 1 Over Justin Wally. That competition was short.

Speaker 1 There it is.

Speaker 1 That's what it's all about. That's Dan's house.

Speaker 1 DJ. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Three for three.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Justin Wally's a fucking player, too. Yeah, he's always got good eyes on fades.
That's why they had him in. He is a red zone defender.
Oh, yeah. He's in there for the fade, actually.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And Daniel Jones said, catch his fade. And he said, Wally,

Speaker 1 I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 Wally had no shot.

Speaker 1 Pitt's a dog. Pittman's fishing with Riley Leonard already.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it feels like he's more together than it's ever been. Gotta love it.
He got some weapons, too, man.

Speaker 2 Drafted Tyler Warren.

Speaker 2 Pittman. Downs.

Speaker 1 Pittman never speaks to the media. Dog.

Speaker 1 Would break his back on a football field for the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, and he tried.
Yeah, he has almost did. He tried, and he would.

Speaker 1 Hey, talk about dark horse teams. Uh-oh.
I think that's why they call Daniel Jones, is the dark horse. Yeah, it's his nickname.

Speaker 1 I thought it was another bit. It is, but well, that's a whole nother nickname.
He is many.

Speaker 5 He's going by Indiana Dan now.

Speaker 1 Jones.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 In Dan.

Speaker 1 In yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 In Daniel.

Speaker 1 In Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 Well, then you're inside of him. We trust.

Speaker 1 Indianual Jones.

Speaker 1 Indianel Jones. You'd get there.
Indianiel Jones. Hopefully he starts.

Speaker 1 Who else? Riley Leonard? I'm okay with that, too. I mean, is that fucking cowboy still there? Who? Sam Ellinger? You're right.
I don't know. I think he.
What about

Speaker 1 who was there last year that you loved in the preseason? Fucking Hakub Eason? No, Jason Bean. Jason Bean.

Speaker 1 Bean was a dog. Why were we getting rid of Bean? I don't know.
I didn't fully understand that one. I did not fully understand why we got rid of Bean.
Bean was a little bit of a dog.

Speaker 1 How about the YouTube TV ball right here? Pretty cool. Pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah, they get it.
They get it.

Speaker 3 I mean, stats and workout videos can really paint a picture in the offseason for you. I mean, stats from practice.

Speaker 1 Are you talking about for me or for everybody? It translates.

Speaker 3 Everybody. You know, like, hey, something happened.
I don't know. Oh, you put out a picture picture of you lifting weights always well

Speaker 1 bingo stephon diggs put out a video of him working out with his route doctor or whatever it was and i was so impressed that he was able to go from knee injury to yacht to that practice all within seemingly three days i was like this guy

Speaker 1 he's got a superhero he's in he's in great shape and he shows up at otas running around

Speaker 1 yeah you're right i will change my mindset cam newton uh when i saw him do that one workout video i knew everybody needed to sign him before the the Patriots, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you what, maybe it didn't work out as well as it should have.

Speaker 1 It's a good start. He hurt your shoulder.
Yeah, he got hurt. What do you want for it?

Speaker 1 He launched a new video, or a new show.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was part of the BET Awards last night. Him and Ashley Nicole Moss started a spin-off of 106 and Park 106 Sports.
Really? I'm sure it'll be some blend of sports.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was huge in the locker room. Oh, yeah.
106 and Park, big celebration last night, I guess.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Bow Wild performed.

Speaker 2 Lil Wayne performed some old shit. T-Payne.
So, yeah, it was very targeted to our generation for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 106 and Park had a hell of a run.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Freestyle Friday.

Speaker 1 So good.

Speaker 1 So good. Man.

Speaker 1 I thought about Bow Wow because he re-showed up at 106 and Park. I think that's where he re-entered my life from back in the day.
Basketball is my favorite sport.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Mike. I like the way they dribble up and down the court.
Yeah, like that was Bow Wow, right? When he was when he was a little guy. Yeah, yeah.
Just a little Bow Wow.

Speaker 1 And he popped back in life at 106 and Park. I was like, holy shit, he's an adult now.
And he was awesome. Also in the Fast and Furious franchise, he popped back up.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, it was 106 and Park or TRL when you got home from school. Whatever videos was rocking at the time.
That was great times.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, to be young again.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably so. And Home Improvement came on.

Speaker 5 What was right before 106 and Park? Was it the basement with Big Tigga?

Speaker 1 That show was fucking awesome. It was.

Speaker 1 Big Tig. Hell of a run.
It was.

Speaker 1 These young bucks have no idea. No idea.
Those are clue. You have no clue what it was like back then.

Speaker 2 It's a shame.

Speaker 1 You know what? Your world now? Better than ever.

Speaker 2 That's what we'll say. They got streamers now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, watching Minecraft. Yeah, those

Speaker 1 sweet. Minecraft, great movie, they said.
Everybody's saying that's good. I'm sure they did.
How come streamers always have weird names?

Speaker 1 Be catchy. It's a stage name.
What are you talking about? I mean, it's always like, I can't even, I'm not even going to try to come up with something.

Speaker 3 You can try a few of them.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 1 First of all, I would like to say Kai and Druski joining Kevin Hart last night, banger.

Speaker 1 Anytime, they're together. I'm a big Druski fan.
Got a chance to watch him operate. He is hilarious.

Speaker 1 His white guy?

Speaker 1 Good. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So good.

Speaker 1 How's my Uncle Ed? He's dressed up like my Uncle Ed. Rest in peace.
He was my Uncle Ed in that entire thing. Awesome.
Absolutely awesome.

Speaker 1 Kai in speed.

Speaker 1 They want to run. Run.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much. That's got to be so much.

Speaker 1 What are they watching? Me live. All right.
Every day. They got to go.
Jake Paul and Logan Paul used to do that. It's every day, bro.
That's their thing. It's like, it is

Speaker 1 the work ethic, I don't think, is talked about about these streamers. Congrats to them.
They're also all in love. What happened at Streamer University? There was a lot of love that was going on.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of stuff. She's a lot of drama down there.
I don't know. I think there's some drama going on in Love World.
Some drama yesterday because Kai didn't know who Wale was.

Speaker 1 It was a little bad. Yeah, I heard Wale went up to him and say he made me look like a dumb dub.
Yeah, he did. He has no about left hand up.
He said, who's Wally?

Speaker 1 Kai said that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did he really? Oh, I'm dead serious. Yeah, yeah.
And then

Speaker 1 maybe Wale will go back into the booth. Maybe that'll send, Why is My Name Wale? And they keep saying Whale is an old line.
Now he'd say, Why is my name Wale? And these youngs call me Wally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he goes right back in there. Hopefully.

Speaker 1 You ever listen to Waka Flocka these days? Holds up.

Speaker 1 I haven't in a Waka.

Speaker 1 He always goes hard with Waka. Whenever he was going to be at Monday Night Raw, I was trying to explain to Michael Cole who Waka Flocka was.
He said, who is Waka Flocka Flame? I said, bangers only.

Speaker 1 He said, what do you mean? We're on the bus. Loud sound system.
Just just straight the walker's top five. They all sound pretty much the same.
I did not turn it up, though.

Speaker 2 I didn't know he had a diamond record until when he was showing overall. And it had, I think, on it on this, he had a diamond

Speaker 1 shit. No hands, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so it might have been that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, think about how many. Yeah, yeah, everyone.
Heart in the paint. It's a party.
It's a party. It's a party.
Grocery party, yeah, absolutely. There's another one.

Speaker 1 He got a whole lot of money. Bitches coming for me.

Speaker 1 It's a party. It's a party.
It's a party.

Speaker 1 And then he just stopped out of nowhere. Then he started DJing.
I watched him do a DJ set here in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Speaker 1 Just press play, and then just literally

Speaker 1 fucking two hours straight. Nick, were you with me when that? Yeah, I think you were with me.
Yeah, it's quite the hustle to watch. It was awesome.
It was a crowd. Wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 Who did we do that with in Vegas?

Speaker 2 He wasn't on the ones and two.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's Jermaine Dupree. I mean, he might have been on the ones and two.
He might have been on the ones and twos.

Speaker 1 I'm not 100% 100% sure, but he was just playing bangers, and then he was just sitting up there. Going nuts, yes.
He was just going.

Speaker 1 And then I think he was flying out of there to go hit another gig afterwards. This is a good gimmick.
I'm like, wow. Great gimmick.
This is a good game.

Speaker 1 I would like to let him know where we watched him do his thing. Place was lit.
I mean, the party was mission accomplished. Then he hopped in a plane and went and did it somewhere else.

Speaker 1 I think he started with it's a party. It's a party.
His dreads just flying through the front. It was crazy.
That's a good gimmick if you can get it. Why don't you guys, we need to make some music.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's do that. Someone should, though.
though, because you know, after Waka, in that era, music kind of died. Morgan Wallin's got like a hundred songs on it.
Hip-hop music.

Speaker 1 Hip-hop music kind of died.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 I mean, I know Lil Nobu is cool.

Speaker 1 That's not his name.

Speaker 1 Mabu.

Speaker 1 I had Nobu the other day.

Speaker 1 Lil' Sushi. The sushi from Nobu.
Yeah. Wasn't bad.
It was actually pretty. You don't know who Lil Mabu is? No clue.

Speaker 1 You know Lil Mabu.

Speaker 1 Then you don't know.

Speaker 5 You're about to get Mitt's hands in a second do you know little man jay

Speaker 2 i've seen him in the chat a couple times but i don't know i couldn't recognize the song you know why you saw him in the chat debo is disrespectful

Speaker 7 song of the summer dude let me hear it gum

Speaker 7 i just want to pick you up or you're talking about the new one sipping

Speaker 1 whichever one

Speaker 1 Lil Man Jay. All right, let's get the fuck out of here.
You guys are the girls.

Speaker 1 Jay, we'll see you tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice.
It might change our life. We're in this thing together.
Team on me. Team on three.
One, two, three. Team.
Goodbye.