PMS 2.0 1436 - TNF Preview, Shams Charania, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, Kirk Herbstreit, & AJ Hawk

Welcome to the Pat McAfee show.

I'm AJ Hawks sitting in for Pat.

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I'm AJ Hawks sitting in for Pat.

Obviously, we have a huge football game tonight.

Vikings taking on the Chargers.

We know that's going to be a big one.

Kirk Herbstreet will be out there on the call with Al Michaels.

We'll talk to Kirk later in the second hour, but I think everybody knows there's been some breaking news in the NBA.

All kinds of stuff floating around the internet.

We don't know exactly what's happening.

Let's take it to Cash Patel.

He has a quick minute and 40 press conference, I think, where he kind of describes exactly what might be going on.

To announce a historic arrest across a widesweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the NBA and La Casa Nostra.

The men and women up here standing with me represent a small portion of the leadership team that brought profound justice in an era that needed it more than any.

I'll just highlight some of the details in the case and the FBI work, and then you'll hear from the others.

But as you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billips, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today, former current NBA players and coaches.

What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years.

The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing.

Not only did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also entered and executed a system of justice against La Casa Nostra to include the Bonano, Gambino, Genovese, and Lucchese crime families.

And you'll hear more about those details today.

The charges and the arrests that were taken down across this country range from wire fraud, money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling.

This FBI will leave no room for any perpetrator of crime across this country.

You hear a lot about our work of defending the homeland and crushing violent crime.

Well, this work is also representative of a colossal portion of the FBI's mandate to keep America safe and to keep our entertainment industry fair and secure.

Yeah, there you have it.

You hear FBI Director Cash Patel kind of describing what has gone on with the different arrests and the allegations.

And let's not make this guy wait any longer.

Mr.

Shams Sharanya, please join us right now.

Shams, how's it going, buddy?

What is, I guess, what did we just hear there?

Are we just scratching the surface?

And what have you heard over the last hour, I guess?

So this all started Jante Porter.

There was a group of other co-conspirators.

That was a while ago, I believe last year.

And ever since then, you know, there's been an ongoing investigation.

So today, three notable arrests were made.

The first one, Chauncey Billips, the Portland Trailblazers head coach.

He was just coaching in an NBA game last night in Portland against the Minnesota Timberlands.

He was arrested at around 6 a.m.

in Portland, Oregon.

Terry Rozier, Miami Heat Guard, he was also arrested this morning at 6 a.m.

in Orlando.

And then Damon Jones, also played in the NBA, was an assistant coach in the NBA.

He was arrested this morning at 6 a.m.

Rozier was involved with charges around sports betting, prop bets, giving information to conspirators that were were gambling on games, hundreds of thousands of dollars, allegedly.

Chauncey Billips was involved in allegedly illegal poker games and cheating and rigging on those poker games

as part of a mafia mob-tide affiliated situation.

And Damon Jones is the one guy that was charged that had crossover with both.

Not only the sports gambling, sports betting, providing information, insider information, as Cash Patel and the FBI essentially have called it,

to co-conspirators.

And then he was also involved allegedly with the illegal poker games, cheating and rigging on those poker games with mafia ties.

And so obviously, this is seismic news around the NBA.

Never have we seen an acting head coach be involved in a federal investigation and arrest like this.

An active NBA player, we saw Jante Porter was arrested and charged with gambling, sports betting, prop betting, and his involvement in that.

But

another active player now, Terry Rozier, involved in a similar case.

He's obviously a much bigger name player than Jante Porter.

Johnte Porter was on a two-way contract.

Terry Rozier has been on multiple

$40, $50, $90 million deals.

Right now he's making $26 million.

So some

bookkeeping here.

Chauncey Billops, I'm told, will be arraigned in Portland at 1 p.m.

local local time.

Terry Rozier will be arraigned in Orlando at 2.30 p.m.

So Chauncey Billops, 1 p.m.

hour in Portland, 2.30 p.m.

hour for Terry Rozier in Orlando.

And so this is a case of in Terry Rozier situation.

It's insider trading is what they're alleging, as they have with Jante Porter previously.

This is obviously colossal news.

The one guy, AJ, that we've spoken about on this show, it's come out, Malik Beasley, he's been a part of a federal investigation.

He's part of an ongoing NBA investigation.

He was not arrested today.

His lawyer told me he has not been cooperating with federal authorities on Chauncey Billips, on Terry Rozier, meaning he is not involved in this group, this investigate, whatever this investigation led to here, at least initially, 30 plus arrests.

I'm told Malik Beasley is not involved in this situation.

And so just some more bookkeeping there, but we'll see how much more comes of this, right?

Like this started as a three, four, five person group.

It's now morphed into over 40.

It has mob affiliation, mafia affiliation.

And will there be more?

Right now, there's over 30 today.

It feels like you would assume there might be more.

I mean, listening to Cash Patel in his press conference, but this is, but it's it's two different forms of illegal activity, right?

I guess there's the point shaving, possibly allegedly, whatever you're doing to to manipulate a game, what players are doing.

But then also the illegal poker games where what you're putting, they said there's x-ray machines, there's hidden cameras, there's things where they can read their whole cards that are face down.

So who'd you say is the crossover there?

And are these, like, how connected are these things?

Damon Jones is the one guy that's charged in both cases.

Damon Jones involved allegedly in the illegal sports,

or yeah, the illegal sports gambling, providing information.

Essentially, the way that Cash Patel, the FBI have framed it is insider trading, insider

information being given out.

There was one alleged situation where Damon Jones let co-conspirators and others hear gambling involved in an improper way that LeBron James was going to be sitting in a game

against Milwaukee.

And

then obviously gamblers and bettors can then go bet on.

Milwaukee in that instance.

So that's just one alleged situation that has been brought up in these indictments.

These indictments are dozens and dozens of pages long, still going through them.

And there are mentions of Chauncey Billup involved in at least one similar situation, but his biggest charge was the illegal poker,

you know, essentially cheating, rigging the poker games.

A bunch of different states, right?

Charms, wasn't it in multiple different states where these illegal poker games were happening, where they had devices and things, which I don't, maybe I'm naive, but if there's an illegal poker game, that's one thing.

You're running that.

But then if there's more charges, if you're cheating at an illegal poker game, I feel like that's almost like a moral situation.

Double gaffery.

Yeah, I mean, again, we don't know the lengths of the evidence that is at hand here.

We know what's in the documents.

Was Chauncey Billips knowingly involved with the mafia, with the mob?

You know, it's been brought to me by some people here.

Like,

you know, is it possible to even unknowingly be involved in

a improper, illegal poker game, essentially, like when you're basically

rigging a poker game?

How can you unknowingly do that?

Like, again,

that's all for

discussion.

But the FBI,

their main charge with Chauncey Phillips is the rigging of poker games.

And so I believe I read it mostly, you know, where these took place were New York, Manhattan area.

But as Cash Patel said, there were, I want to say, 11 states, he said, that all of this overall activity from sports betting to the illegal poker games, all of this ranged 11 states.

Boston Carter's got something for you, Shams.

Yeah, Shams.

You said Malik Beasley is still being investigated by the NBA and the FBI.

Terry Rozier was investigated by the NBA last year.

And the NBA has already said they had no idea.

Yeah.

So I don't mean to interrupt you.

No, you're good.

Yeah, I do want to

make, make it clear here.

Terry Rozier was cleared by the NBA.

That's why he was playing in games.

He was involved in games.

He's been through an NBA investigation already.

They took his phone, from my understanding, as part of that.

He was cleared from that.

His attorney even came out with that statement today.

But that doesn't mean from a federal perspective he was cleared.

So clearly, even though he wasn't mentioned as a formal target in that investigation, at least initially, he was charged here today.

Clearly, he was arrested.

He has an arrangement today at 2.30 in Orlando, but he was cleared by the NBA.

That's why he was playing.

So with that being said, with the Malik Beasley situation,

when they're still going into his entire situation and the FBI is going into their entire investigation, like what is the difference between those two?

Just the, you know, the FBI's resources and their ability to connect everything versus the NBA just looking at one specific situation?

The powers are large.

I mean, you can talk talk to conspirators, you can talk to people that you feel like might be involved.

They all have the ability from a federal perspective, from a league perspective,

there's an ability to go, you know, even take evidence, right?

Take a phone, take other surveillance material, laptops, et cetera.

So, that's all under the jurisdiction of definitely the federal realm.

But even the league is able to potentially do that.

They did that with Terry Rozier and they cleared him.

Malik Beasley's case, he was not arrested today.

He was not

taken into custody today as part of this federal investigation situation.

Again, I'm not saying he will never be.

That's not what I'm saying here.

What I'm saying is he was not part of the 30-plus defendants in this sports gaming, betting, illegal poker schemes arrest

ring today.

And so the league's investigation has been ongoing.

I reported a while ago that he wasn't mentioned as a target of the federal investigation, but the league's investigation has been ongoing in the Maleaguezi, but he was not involved in this.

And his attorney, Steve Hayden, even told me he's not cooperating with the federal investigators about these two in particular, or three in particular, as far as Damon Jones, Chauncey Phillips, and Terry Rozier.

Shams, did you have any idea of this before this morning?

It seems like it's unbelievable how quiet this was until Bam, all of a sudden, guys are arrested.

I'd gotten win last night that there was going to be a press conference and that Cash Patel, I'd been hearing over the last 24 hours, was actually a big name in all of this and someone that was taking a leading role in this investigation process.

Obviously, this is for Terry Rozier, he's been investigated for over two years now.

This is something that's been going on since 2023.

And so, you know, that's local authorities, Eastern District of New York.

But now, Cash Patel, FBI involvement.

I got wind of it last night.

Obviously, the names and the specific reporting this morning.

So what's, I guess, can you give us a little glimpse what your life looks like right now?

You, I'm sure you're juggling a few things, talking to some sources all over the place.

What's it been like for you?

Yeah, I mean, it's now it's all public.

So, everything that I'm been working on since last night is now public information.

And so, now it's figuring out what's next, right?

Portland Trailblazers, what is next with them with

Timey Heat?

Yeah.

What's next with Terry Rozier as a player?

He's under contract for $26 million.

$26 million for Terry Rozier on the heat salary cap.

And what's the league's stance?

How is the league addressing this?

Are there a multiplexer?

Are they going to have a presser?

Is Silver going to have a presser or anything, Seams?

I assume they're going to have to address it publicly.

Are they going to have a big deal, make it a big thing?

To my knowledge, as of last night, there was not really this.

I mean, there was no knowledge by Chauncey Billips, by Terry Rozier, by the league that these arrests were coming specifically.

I didn't even have it fully confirmed until this morning, but now you're able to get a look at the indictments.

They're going to be able to get a look at the press conference, talk to local authorities, talk to the federal authorities.

And

we're still waiting on the NBA, Portland, Miami, for statements and seeing how they're going to be handling it with their own players and coaches if you're Portland and Miami, but then as a league with the NBA.

All right, Shams.

I know you got plenty to get to.

You got your phone going off the hook.

So I appreciate you coming on, Shams.

And we will look out for a statement here right now.

I'm a statement here right now.

The NBA said they are reviewing the federal indictments announced today.

Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billips are being placed on immediate leave from their teams.

And

so we are going to be tweeting this out right now.

But Chauncey Billips

and Miami's Terry Rozier

have been placed

on immediate leave.

Great work.

I'm sure you spell it right.

By the NBA.

Okay.

So.

So that's indefinite, I guess, until they get to the bottom, until they snoop around for a little bit, right, Shams?

Indictments today.

Yes.

Wow.

Arraignments.

All right, Shams.

Well, hey, we appreciate you.

Let us know.

If you get any extra, any more breaking news straight from the sources, let us know.

We appreciate your time, Shams.

I'll just read this whole statement.

We are in the process of reviewing the federal indictments announced today.

Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billips are being placed on immediate leave from their teams, and we will continue to cooperate with the relevant authorities.

We take these allegations with the utmost seriousness, and the integrity of our game remains our top priority.

That's the NBA statement right now, delivered here.

Okay, Shams.

So, yeah, it sounds like we're just

investigative journalists, Shams.

You're killing it, buddy.

Really appreciate your time.

We'll reach out to you again sometime in the near future, I am sure.

But ladies and gentlemen, Shamsharadia.

Yes, Sham.

So, what do we learn there?

What do we learn?

It sounds like there's like very, very, very serious jokes.

Like that, that's what it sounds like.

If they're getting arraigned today at 1 o'clock and 2.30 and clearing up.

So we see him.

Would that be on camera?

Will we see him in front of the judge?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Depends on.

I would imagine it would get out there.

I mean, I don't know.

I mean, Chauncey Phillips, the head coach of the team right now.

Crazier's currently playing, like Sean said, making $26 million.

Yeah.

This is a big deal.

It's really big.

Especially for the NBA to have already cleared him once.

So you wonder, are they going to make an example of him?

How much more evidence did came in?

I mean, it's just, it's crazy.

It really is.

It's two.

The one thing, like, the NBA needs, I'm sure they want people to know, like, there's, these are separate situations, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Rigging, rigging in a legal poker game, that's one thing, but trying to, like, manipulate a game by how you play or what you may do, like, schematically, that's a, that's another huge situation.

Like, that's the integrity of the game, right?

Yeah.

And them going to court, like, this stuff will come out.

Like, I mean, they'll go on trial, it sounds like at least.

and who knows what does happen in the end but you know with the nba players being a big part of it but then also the the mob kind of mafia type did it you think it started like they were investigating the mob for like trying to get in on stuff and then these they found out that the players all this and then yeah the players also the poker games and this is like going on for three four years i heard i mean there's i mean like you've seen it in movies and stuff like that where they're investigating for one thing and then another person like shows up and they're like oh i recognize that name the other person.

Yeah, yeah.

So, I mean, obviously, it's all speculation until we get to that.

Also, the victims, though, I certainly victims could have reached out to the FBI, right?

They said one victim is down $1.8, $1.7 million.

That's from these poker.

Just be sorry.

I was thinking, like, man, every time I go, these guys seem to be reading my mind.

Yeah, one o'clock today and 2.30.

I'm very interested to see what all comes out from what Sean said.

Those are the times for Chauncey Bills and Terry Rogier.

But it was clearly coordinated.

I mean, if they all got arrested at 60 morning, like, this is very

much like, yeah, exactly.

We got to to get everybody, and we got to kind of make it public because this is an example.

You kind of have to set an example with how serious it is.

And, you know, who knows what happens?

We'll find out later.

And that's why you assume that the hammer is going to drop because anytime there's like a coordinated thing like this where you know, multiple people,

they have a bunch of evidence.

They, you know, they're like, you're not just going in or knocking someone's door down at 6 a.m.

and arresting three separate people unless you have your ducks in a row and you know like, oh, okay, we got these guys.

Dead to rights.

Let's see.

I know Sean's mentioned somebody's lawyer on there one time

beasley's lawyer but let's see like that's when somebody else's lawyer comes out and stands like stands in front of the camera and lets us know exactly i saw i think it was rozier's lawyer uh pablo tori reached out to them got a statement from them said that they're gonna fight this so yeah they're the lawyers are getting out there Well, you know, I think, like we said, this is just the beginning of all of this stuff.

It's just, it's been a wild morning just hearing all this happen.

I can't imagine.

I don't know how they kept it quiet.

I don't know how

they were able to coordinate this.

And like Sean said, so last night, Shams had a a pretty good idea something was coming up, but he didn't know what.

He didn't know who.

No, no.

Now, now we learn.

Okay.

You know, you know, somebody else?

A couple other guys that aren't here today, but have filmed something and recorded something great that we didn't get to see yet.

Who's that?

You know what that is?

Who is it?

A couple, couple guys that used to hang out.

A guy named AJ slash AQ Shipley.

He does in the trenches.

Darius J.

Butler does everything DB.

Foxy, I think we got a nice little rendition of this.

So try to pod that up.

And here you go, guys.

Well, well, well.

It is another incredible time of the week where we get a chance to see who are the Fatsos that have been dominating better than the other big men on a football field.

It is time to go in the trenches with the top five performing offensive lines out of week seven of the NFL season with AQ Shipley.

Who's the number five offensive line coming out of week seven?

Wow.

The New England Patriots.

Thank you.

New England Patriots.

I think everybody in this office is going to be happy with this top five all day.

But let's start with the New England Patriots.

Let's take a look here.

The left side, Hunter Henry starts with him.

They send him in short motion, go back out, kick out.

Look at the combo block.

Wow.

Look at the left side of the line.

They revamped their line with two rookies, Campbell and Wilson, taking guys off the ball, creating big,

gay big holes.

Now, I heard Will Campbell got small arms.

How's he able to do what he's doing?

It's unbelievable how these scouts always get it wrong with the short arms.

Not always get it wrong.

There are certainly some short-armed men who didn't make it in the NFL.

Will Campbell is not one of those guys.

He's a dog.

He's a beast.

What is it about this particular offense, maybe, that sets this offensive line up to have success?

Or is it the offensive line that is setting up the offense to have success?

So let's start with the offensive line.

Four or five new starters from a year ago.

They bring in two rookies on the left side, and they got Morgan Moses and Garrett Bradbury coming in as veteran free agents.

So those four have been fantastic pickups.

And they are very good at running the football when they have a fullback, when they have two tight ends, when they do what Josh McDaniels did under Tom Brady.

Yeah, and the Josh McDaniels under Tom Brady.

Okay, I understand what you're saying.

You were a teammate of Tom Brady.

Do you understand how it actually goes behind the scenes?

Go ahead, Connie.

That would make sense.

But also, the one guy that AQ is mentioned, the 405, the one guy that is returning from that offensive line, he got paid because of how good he was at right guard, Mike Onwenu.

And we moved him last year to we, I wasn't on the staff, but they moved him on

to, yeah, I thought about it to right tackle.

This year, he's back at right guard and he has been nails all season long.

For UAQ, was there a difference in the looks that they got from Tennessee?

Because a lot of people on the internet, the coaches, myself included on the internet, were saying

we, of course, were saying, thank you.

We're saying that.

They were facing a lot of eight-man boxes, seven-man boxes.

And in this play, it's clearly a seven-man box.

But was there less of that?

Because teams are starting to respect Drake May a little more?

There is less because they respect what he can do passing the football, but also Josh McDaniels loves two tights, loves fullback, and what does that bring, D-butt?

Base defense

all the time.

So whenever you get base defense, you're going to have seven or eight in the box.

You're going to have a safety down.

You're going to have all those things anytime you have two tights.

But when they go in passing situations and now hand it off, it's clear six-man boxes.

They're not forcing Drake May to throw the ball in here.

Is this New England's first time on here?

This is their first time on here, and this is the first time all season that they've ran the ball this well.

I think this is the first time they've gone over 100 yards.

On New England.

We're back.

That's Rainbow Football, baby.

That's right.

Who's the number four performing offensive line out of week seven of the NFL season?

Wow.

Yeah, the Chicago Bears, baby.

And they look good.

I put a tweet out about how this is exactly what Ben Johnson envisioned, minus the quarterback.

He still has got to pick up the pace a little bit.

But let's start.

Let's talk about diesel.

We don't need to dive into everything you're saying.

You think Caleb's nowhere near where he can be in this offense?

I think if he continues to learn under Ben Johnson and get to the point where he's doing things on time in in Ben's offense, instead of being a little frantic, a little panicky, rolling out right, rolling out left, and kind of doing all these off-schedule things, this offense can be just like Detroit was.

Okay, cannot wait to watch that.

Now, the offensive line is obviously big-time talking point.

They invested in it.

They did, and their offensive line and the run game has been fantastic.

But let's take a look.

This is exactly what Ben Johnson used to do.

We get a motion going across.

Let's bring Loveland back across.

Guess what?

Don't block him.

Just stiff arm.

Get to the corner.

This is the exact same play that the Atlanta Falcons ran a couple weeks ago with Vaughn Miller.

If you guys remember, it's a coffee cat league.

Here it is.

A little whoop-de-woo to get ahead and bait Vaughn.

No.

Boom.

Same thing.

Stiff arm, get out to the corner.

Got it.

And then you get the edge.

Oh, that's a great play design.

So people say, you know what?

If you can do it, why not us do it?

And Colston Loveland, rookie tight end, good pick here.

Good blocking for him because they're coming after him with the way Tyler Warren's.

I know, and I feel bad for him because exactly that.

He gets drafted ahead of Tyler Warren.

Tyler Warren's the best tight end in football right now.

He's going to be the best player, yeah.

Might be the best player.

And he's been fantastic.

And then Colston Loveland's starting to pick it up.

He's starting to get some catches.

He was good in the run game.

He's doing a lot of really good things for them now.

And George Kittle, obviously known as blocking a tight end.

If you can block and not just be a weapon downfield, 2025 feels like it's going to be a good time for you as a tight end in the NFL.

It's huge.

If you can block as a tight end, you have a job forever.

And he had to do it at Michigan.

Oh, yeah.

He was a phenomenal pass threat.

You didn't see a lot of that because of the passing game at Michigan for a lot of his time there.

But yeah, he's a blocker.

What did they do?

30 straight runs against

J.J.

McCarthy, first-round draft pick, quarterback, first-round draft pick, tight end, obviously on the same field.

Let's go 35 straight runs.

Why?

Because they can't stop it.

So let's just keep doing that.

Let's just win the game and get out of here.

Love the selflessness of that particular team.

Go ahead, Conman.

Yeah, when you say copycat league, I assume Ben Johnson isn't going back through the

internet or the plays of every single game.

Are there coaches specifically or not?

coaches, but jobs specifically for

people to bring plays to Ben Johnson or whoever that they can then maybe implement if they like them oh yeah there's people upstairs that are scouring the internet they are going on everybody's internet they're looking at film they're doing everything and they're trying to find those plays I remember when I was with Cliff we would get plays and we'd get a one-word play for the week and it'd be like Abilene and it's like why is it oh we got this play from Abilene Christian in 2017 and it's some trick play that you had up for the week but for them it probably just popped up on a similar opponent as they're watching tape it's like oh put that in the archives and then all of a sudden it's up.

Do we have the person down to be able to do this?

We do.

Let's go to the number three performing offensive line.

I mean, whoa, nice, dude.

Top three.

Yeah, this is good.

Top five every week.

Top three.

Yeah.

They're top five every week.

Congratulations.

Indianapolis Colts.

They are the best offensive line in football.

Looks like we're doing it.

No, no, this is a week-to-week rankings.

And for this week, there were two groups that played better than their offensive line.

That is not saying that they didn't play good because they did play good.

And you will see exactly why on this play in particular, let's look.

This is called 11 trap.

11 because we're going to the left odd number.

Quentin Nelson and Raymond on the left side.

Watch them bluff this detackle.

He falls down.

You don't even have to do anything.

Quentin Nelson up at the left, up in the next level.

And then if you look, go back one more time.

Look at the right side.

Bordellini gets a crossface.

Hard as that Bordellini.

Bordellini.

We didn't even bring that up when we were talking about spaghetti earlier.

Yeah, that's right.

Bordellini gets the cross face, he seals it.

Braden Smith gets the cross face, he seals it.

And then the biggest thing is they get the blitz up the field, and that creates the big,

gaping hole out the back.

Six celebration.

I mean, he's got a good celebrity.

Yeah, very good celebrity.

I love it.

Very replicable, very doable.

And it looks cool every time.

And with how fast he runs, it just kind of carries him.

Exactly.

He gets right into it after he crosses the goal line.

Yeah, it doesn't look like it's too much.

It feels like that was a good brainstorm session and it ended up in a great spot for him.

He's scoring a lot of touchdowns.

That's because the offensive line's best offensive.

Best of football.

Yeah.

third best.

According to this,

he said the best, though.

No.

No, see, they're not top line.

This week, it looks like they're the third best.

Third of the records.

It was 6-1.

Best team, best offensive line.

Cumulative.

Third season.

Leading.

Leading Russian.

Most consistent offensive line this season.

You told Borrellini right to his face, he's fucking third.

Boralini's been great.

I know.

Is that right?

I know he has been right.

Quentin Nelson's been great.

Both tackles have been great.

What's wrong with the north left corner of this particular?

Well, there's two teams

that had better performances amongst the offensive line this week.

Oh,

you think Fortellini's a

spaghetti guy?

No, I think he's a rigaton guy.

Justified.

He likes rolling, folks.

For sure.

Tortellini, maybe.

Maybe Tortellini.

I mean, Moralein for Torrellini, you might just say, look, give me a uno, the family of the entire thing.

Gabu Gul.

Yeah, he's great.

He's been.

Hey, Grazi, Perego, for what you've been doing for us over here with the, you know, Mutzalel and the Peperon

and the Brzeut and everything they're doing here, which is obviously good.

Number three offensive line coming out of week seven is the Indianapolis Colts.

Who's the number two performing offensive line out of week seven?

Why?

The Detroit Lions.

Hey.

Okay.

Hey, Foxy, before you let this thing run, let me just talk about why I loved this group.

I watched this film yesterday, and as I took a look at this film, it reminded me of a nine-on-seven practice.

You remember nine-on-seven?

You remember nine-on-seven.

Here's what gets lost in the sauce whenever you do nine-on-seven.

You let your technique go out the window and it just becomes an attitude game, right?

Because you're just trying to win the drill.

And whenever you're trying to win the drill, I'm coming off the ball harder.

I might miss sometimes, but I'm trying to punch you in the fucking mouth.

Strange, right?

They knew who was coming into town.

It was Tampa Bay, right?

It was Vita Vea.

It was all the boys trying to punch you in the mouth.

This was like a nine-on-seven game.

And they also had some really good plays in the technique.

And you guys all remember this play from the other night?

Let's take a look.

So look, two double teams at the point of attack.

That's called duo.

Duo.

There it is.

Two double teams.

Let's watch them get hip to hip, cover these guys up, get up on Levante David.

Wow.

The running back sets up the block, and then

see ya.

That's Sonic.

See ya.

That's right.

That's Sonic.

So good.

See ya.

I mean, that is so good.

That's got to be fun.

I mean, look at Khalif Raymond, too, just sticking his nose in there.

Sea gap insert, incredible.

Come back to the beginning again.

Penne Sewell celebrating this down the field is awesome.

I mean, just the Moxie of the boy.

And the midnight blue.

What are these?

The Motor City Muscle.

Oh.

Great earnings.

Great earnings.

And the number zero looks really cool, doesn't it, AQ?

Do you think that's why he's running a little bit better?

Maybe they're blocking a little bit better?

I mean, he's running 25 miles an hour.

He sets up both safeties, Phil outside.

He just hits at 100 miles an hour, right up the A gap.

It was incredible.

Yeah, maybe they did have a pretty good little weekend, I guess.

Somebody's going to have to be stupendous to be the number one performing offensive line in the week seven of the NFL season.

Who would that be?

That'd be the San Francisco 49ers.

That's cool.

Bullshit.

175 yards rushing.

Christian McCaffrey was back.

This is his best rushing performance since the year 2023.

Wow, that was just a couple years ago because we're currently in the year 2025 now.

Whenever you think about this Niners team, you think about them having a tough offense.

You think about them having an incredible run game.

This has been the first time they've been number one in some time now.

Is that because Kittle's back, or what did you see this week?

It's everything to do with 44 and 85.

I'm telling you, their offensive line plays better.

It sets it up for the scheme that they want to do.

This play right here, we're going to get powered down.

We're going to motion across, get the tight end at the point of attack.

Use check downhill, old school power.

Boom, boom.

Everyone washes down.

Look at Kittle.

He's the home run block.

He's the home run block on the backside.

If you watch him climb, he gets up to Jesse Bates.

Watch this.

Because Jesse Bates, if you slack it, I'll look at him, get skinny, get inside leverage, and give him another five or six yards.

I think I was looking at another white tight end.

Far left, far left, far left, far left.

89 the whole time.

Far on a linebacker.

Good block by 89 as well.

George Kittle getting up there also fantastic.

Incredible.

They got good fundamentals.

And what did you say about their practice drills?

So whenever they, like, so for instance, B.A., if he runs a blitz drill, it's going to be nine out of 10 of the plays are going to be pass plays.

If it's Kyle Shanahan, it's a Blitz drill.

They're still getting eight runs in because they are constantly running that run game.

Everything is off of the run game.

The reps go on and on.

And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

on.

It's a lot of reps.

And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

And on.

Is that it?

It's a good ring game.

Well, some days.

I mean, they just

go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

You guys know.

I mean, people say this bit potentially.

Yeah.

This bit, my voice, I don't know how much it can last, but if I had to guess, it could probably go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

And on and on and on and on and on and on.

And hopefully this seg right here will continue to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

And streak of the Indianapolis Colts ending up in the top five but not being number one shall continue, I guess, in A.Q.

Shipley's mind.

That's in the trenches with A.Q.

Shipley.

And you know what?

Sometimes you get in the middle of a segue and You think, man, I wish this went all day.

I wish it kind of went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

I sure do.

How's it feel?

I was passed out,

but I kind of just found a fucking, you know,

find it.

Yeah, I went locked in there for a little bit.

Shout out to

me.

Yeah.

Shout out to

Bob.

Yeah, and Pop Harsh.

Miss you, Bob.

Hey, we have served.

Thank you for your service.

And great golf clubs.

We appreciate you over there, PHG, and your accent is fantastic as well.

And if that segment would have gone, no,

I'm sad.

It wouldn't have been a short one.

We wouldn't have been able to get to, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for everything DB.

Good, D, bad, D, with Derek, J, Bobby.

Sir, hey, before we get to these plays and the teams and the defenses that are on there, there is one omission this week.

The Cleveland Browns.

I know I'm going to get some Texas.

They beat the shit out of the Dolphins, obviously.

Tua looked bad.

It just wasn't a lot of teaching moments from those plays.

It was just very, very stinky.

But shout out to Tyson Campbell with a pick sick, Hickman, and who else got a pick in that game?

Rayshawn Jenkins as well.

But let's get to the top of the...

So this is like when, this is like when they were judging party schools back whenever we were in school.

And they were like, West Virginia is a professional party school.

We will not judge them amongst the others.

Here is the top 25.

You're saying, hey, like, Cleveland Browns, these guys embarrassed the entire model.

I mean, it just.

And I mean, two is, you know, two are Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins.

They've been buried every short time.

Yeah, but the Cleveland Browns certainly.

Yeah, Brown

likewise.

Good defense.

Very good defense.

Okay, so congrats to them.

Congrats to Bronson.

Intelligently.

Let it go, Brown.

This week.

This week.

Yeah, but let's get to the tape, some teaching moments from around the league, starting with the Carolina Panthers.

Now, missing a quarterback.

this defense, you talk about complimentary football.

Defense, Derrick Brown, he's been dominant as far as being an interior defensive lineman.

And then JC Horn, one of the corners that got paid this offseason.

He's been phenomenal since stepping into the league.

The only thing that you would say about JC Horn, hey, he needs more ball production and just staying healthy.

And you're seeing more and more of that this year.

This is his second time, I believe, on Everything DB.

This is a cover six look.

So at the bottom of the screen,

JC Horn is up there up top.

And on the bottom of the screen, this is cover two.

And then on on the other side, it'll be cover four, hence why we get the cover six.

So quarters technique, he's outside leverage.

You'll watch his safety.

This is a route, two beat quarters.

Boom.

Safety settles down.

And then you got outside leverage from the cornerback.

Post-route, boom.

When you're behind, we call that out of phase.

You're not taught to look back for the ball.

But once you get kind of towards that end zone, you really got nothing to lose.

This is what you call not panicking.

not just running into the receiver, getting the PI, going up, high pointing this thing with one hand.

It's the second time he's been on here, not only getting an interception, but getting a one-hander.

This was absolutely nasty.

Tyrod Taylor, T-Mobile.

We'll see if he starts this week for the Jets.

At least he was taking a shot down the field, but a phenomenal play from JC Horn from outside leverage and quarters coverage up top.

As Aaron Glenn said earlier in the week, the Jets will have a quarterback.

The Carolina Panthers have a team.

Yes.

This is how many wins are on now?

Four?

Three.

I think three.

Yeah, three.

They got the shit beat out by the Patriots, I believe.

Got a win, then lost to the patriots then rattled off three straight the run game which we know has been great and then defensively they've been great as well once again we'll see what happens at the uh quarterback position this is his second pick in this game now you should never go to this matchup reynolds on the outside

this is a practice rep this is something you practice at one-on-ones hey db versus db usually don't see it this easy in the game but yeah press out he goes outside gets his head around high points and lean and locate just acts absolute textbook that's coach throwing that ball exactly exactly you've seen you seen I've actually thrown that ball yeah you've seen this drill this is literally what this is I don't know what T-Mobile was thinking at this point in the game going at that matchup one-on-one the safety was completely on the other side of the field because you have a 25 million dollar a year cornerback and this is why you have them JC horn making plays go ahead Con man for to Debut's point about just their you know record as of recently this is their first road win like their splits between road and home are insane they're dominant at home And now it's Buffalo who has had trouble stopping the run going to Carolina with Andy Dalton and then Rico Dowdell and Chuba Hubbard.

Now back for a second game.

Like that's a sneaky Bills at Panthers.

You see it and you hear it and you're like, whatever.

But then when you realize the Panthers are a good football team, it's a tough game.

And we have to know, Connor's certainly hoping for one of those as well.

But I'm also with the full expectation.

that the Bills are the Bills and Josh Allen is still the MVP of this.

But you start snooping around the Carolina team, though, you're like,

wait a minute, there's a chance here, which would be great for the Patriots at the moment.

The Patriots are very close to being number one seed in the AFC rating.

That's right.

On your heels.

On your heels.

Can you hear us coming?

Can you hear us?

We're coming.

Danny can't hear anything, actually.

If you've seen anything, he's locked in 1,000%.

There is no noise outside, other than a nice little Halloween party with the Patriots and the boys having a little beer.

Go ahead to some more good demons.

Here we go.

Next one.

Speaking of the boys, hey, my coach, Luanna Roman, his defense, they have been phenomenal.

Now, Nick Cross will get this interception here.

You'll see it better from the replay.

Pause it real quick.

I want you, so they're going to motion a four-strong.

But number three receiver right now, uh, right there, right on the hash.

That's Lab McConkey.

Gonna double him.

So, I think this that's where uh Justin's gonna want to go with this ball.

He's gonna get doubled from the opposite side of the field.

That's safety.

That's on this hash down here.

He's gonna come and take that short one away.

And then Justin Herbert is gonna go to the crosser right here.

Third and seven, 23 game.

They could get a touchdown here.

They cut it down to a two-possession game, but Nick Cross makes a great play, turning around, looking him up, then getting his head around last second, kind of one-hand pick, trapping it against the shoulder.

You'll get a closer look at it here.

Boom.

Unbelievable play right here, especially in the end zone.

Anytime you get an interception where either you're setting your offense up in the scoring position or on the flip side of that, when the other offense is a big swing in points and momentum, the other offense is threatening to drive to get

points in the game.

That's a big time interception, getting his head around there.

Not panicking, not just getting a PI, but getting your head around and making a play on the ball.

If you pause it here, like run it back to the beginning.

He kind of makes it look like he's running with Ladd.

Then he drops Ladd to the double coverage and then turns around on Quentin Johnston here.

So that's a great play from Nick.

Nick Cross from beginning to end.

Tell me a little bit more about Nick Cross.

He gets sacks.

He's all over the field.

This guy is fucking everywhere.

Unbelievable.

I believe he was a second-round pick out of Maryland.

Career kind of started off rough.

After his first, maybe second year, they're ready to run him out of town, honestly.

But he leading the league, I mean, leading the team in tackles right now going into this week's game.

And then he's just been a playmaker.

He can blitz.

He can show up in the run game.

And then if he can add this element to his game as well, getting ball production, he can play in the league for a long, long time and make a ton of money.

But Lou, you talk about what Lou Anaroma is doing and what his scheme is like.

Imagine this as a quarterback, especially in that low red area.

We drafted him 2022, third round out of the corner.

He's been here now and he is really exploding.

He is everywhere.

20 is actually everywhere.

I like this little, he baited butter right here.

He baited butter right here and then does a walking spin move while covering a guy.

And then the ball is on him.

He has incredible, and then he'll blitz

like the next play and run his face right through somebody.

I'm a big fan of Nick Cross.

Yeah, it's insane that those are the first two plays on everything DB, just like the IQ of JC Horn and Cross there.

But you guys talk about middle eight all the time.

Like this is

not just

interception.

This is the two-minute warning.

They don't get any points, and then the Colts go and kick a field goal.

It's like that's not the play of the game, you know, when you look back on it.

But then looking at it right now, 20 to 3, possibly 20 to 10, and it ends up being 23 to 3.

Jage did not like us going.

I forgot.

We didn't bring that up to JJ.

He did not like us going for a field goal rate.

At all.

Yo, Jay, it's 20 to 3, Jage.

Let's just fucking, we're trying to make sure this is the last drive.

Yeah.

I don't like these decisions.

I was texting him in the middle of the game.

I'm like, yo, it was third down.

What do you want them to do?

If we could give them the ball back, they'd potentially score again.

He's like, it was before that.

And then, like, afterwards, he's like, what are they doing in 13 seconds?

Why are they doing that?

It's like, okay, that decision we can certainly get after.

But it's like everything Steichen's doing right now, all three phases.

It's all working.

Like, Lou Anaruma has been.

perfect for this team.

Special teams don't really have to do much, but they do.

Somehow, we get a massive return whenever we need it if we have to have it.

And then on offense,

offensively, JJ said we're always on schedule.

It's like, I'm not questioning anything, Jake.

So when you're calling this Colts game next time, Jage, just know Shane's got figured out.

That's probably why he was questioning it because we were cooking with gas on offense, and I'm sure watching them on tape and then coming in, seeing what they're doing, then getting the ball two minutes left.

I'm not sure how many timeouts, but from like the first play, you saw, okay, it was no sense of urgency.

And they did get down there.

But then Shane, at his halftime interview, I think he said, like, look, we just wanted this to be the last possession of the game before hitting in the halftime.

So Shane would say, no, we don't doubt Shane.

Shane would say, look, Dag Nommit.

Yeah, gracious Pete.

What do you want me to do?

Say all those things.

You know, he's great, Mike Doug.

Yeah, he is.

Explain that to me.

Oh, look at this.

It's going to be a touchdown.

Look at this shit.

Look at this.

Look at this.

Look at this.

It's going to be a touchdown.

Touchdown right here.

And what if it's not?

They don't really show if it's not.

All right, next play.

This one's going to be.

What's the next touchdown?

Cut that.

Cut that.

Next touchdown.

This one's going to be a touchdown, everybody.

Look at this.

I love his optimism.

I love his energy.

I love how it's working out.

Let's go to some more good deals.

Talking about optimism, energy, and somebody else that's great, Mike Duck.

Kelvin Shepard had these boys rolling in prime time against the Tampa Bay Bucks.

14-0 right here.

Now, you've seen this replay a lot, seen this talked about a lot.

You talk about the middle eight again.

This is two-minute.

I mean, yeah, two-minute situation, second quarter, 150, 200.

And honestly, Baker Mayfield, he dropped and threw the ball, dropped back and threw the ball a ton this game, but

he was

so hesitant.

Like, I haven't seen him this hesitant, and I don't know how long, but...

That lets you know how confusing probably this defense was to him.

You'll see, if you run it back, this is the beginning of the frame, you'll see the disguise here.

Maybe man-to-man coverage.

You look at that top safety.

Then once he gets the snap and he drops back, they go to a

split safety coverage.

And you can see Baker's not really, I guess, confident or comfortable because if he steps up, he can kind of hit this number one receiver right behind this underneath dropper.

But Arthur Millette right here, who's circled, he does a great job.

As a zone defender, especially underneath zone defender, you're taught to break on the quarterback's intention.

So you break on their eyes and you break on their intentions.

And he does a great job.

And he showed up with physicality attacking the football.

And 99 times out of 100.

100, if it's considered a tie or two guys go to the ground with the ball, they're going to give the tie to the offense.

This was probably the first time I ever seen this overturned.

But then on review, when I'm looking at it,

I mean, if you pause it here, yeah, with a second look, like it looks like Otten's holding on to a bunch of forearm and Arthur Millette has a lot more of the football.

So I wasn't, you know, maybe it's the former

DB and me.

Maybe it's me root for Kelver Shepard.

But I saw this as an interception as well.

This got overturned from New York.

I did as well.

I saw it as an interception as well.

But to your point about tie goes to the runner, that's always kind of the case here in these particular types of plays.

So they overturn this, give this to Detroit, and then they do a second look on a first down that goes into, are you guys?

Yeah, I mean,

there was also a sack where our guy tripped the quarterback and they didn't call it.

Yeah, there was a couple things here that, you know what, we're just going to take those because what comes around goes around.

And also, that was called a catch on the field.

That blew my mind more that they reversed it.

I just figured they would just say, yep, it was a catch on the field.

We have no evidence.

We're going to keep it moving.

But instead, the refs said, oh, we got you in the Chiefs game.

Here you you go, Lions.

Oh, now

we've got that football, remember?

Yeah, is that what they said?

Is that what they said?

I don't think that's the case.

I think that maybe New York wants Detroit to win.

New Darlings of the NFL.

Yeah, maybe the Lions fans can never, ever say anything ever again about the refs.

Disgusting.

Ever.

Never again.

Ever.

Not

in the next hundred years because it was a primetime game.

Yep.

Primetime game.

A lot of injuries.

Against the MVP.

Against best team football, people were saying on the Indianapolis Colts.

Primetime, time, they give that one to the Detroit.

After a second look, what?

Never heard that before.

How many looks are we doing here?

Well, he challenged something else, but he gets

what are we doing?

Then Lions fans, hey, it must be nice.

Must be nice, Lions.

And also, I like that everyone agreed, like watching that play, it looked like an interception, and then they called it an interception.

I enjoy that aspect.

Yeah, we certainly like that.

I would like that to be known that we like the common sense reign true here, but but also a lot of common sense situations happening for the Lions all of a sudden.

Crazy.

Not to bring up

another fourth down, questionable call by the refs, but that little option play.

Yeah, that I don't know what we got with it.

I don't know if we got the first there.

It's kind of out of bounds.

Unbelievable.

And you said they created it.

They did.

They didn't have no noise.

They didn't measure it.

Wow.

What was the first time?

I put some over, it looked like.

But now, all of a sudden I'm thinking we need to go back and look at that play.

Man, what's going on with the refs in New York?

Huge is a Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

No, no, no, no, no.

The Detroit Lions getting favorable calls?

We need about 10,000 more calls to make it even.

Oh, never going to be good enough.

It's never going to be enough, NFL.

Detroit Lions, more like Detroit Lion.

Oh,

the Lion Lions.

Wow.

That does sound like there's some lies coming out of the Lions fan base if they don't think that maybe the NFL is on their side.

We don't want to hear it anymore.

NFL, we'd like to let you know, if you just gave the Colts a bunch of calls, we'd be okay with it.

Absolutely.

We'd be thankful for it.

We'd acknowledge it.

And we wouldn't say you need 10,000 more to make up for what you've done in the past.

We'd say it's A-okay.

Do we have more good D or bad D?

Absolutely.

We still got some more good D over here.

Pause.

Here we go.

Down at the bottom of the screen.

Vikings versus the Eagles.

This is the rookie, Andrew McCuba.

This is his second time, I believe, on Everything DB.

If you pause it right here, boom.

Who are we circling?

One of the best, if not the best, wide receiver in football with Justin Jefferson.

They're going to run a cover two over Justin Jefferson, but I want you to watch as this play develop the safety because obviously he's focused on 18 to start.

You let it run here.

This is the...

Carson Wentz interception that we've seen earlier in the week, but we'll see a little deeper dive into it.

So Paul's great job by the cornerback and the safety being over top of Justin Jefferson.

But once the quarterback breaks the pocket, he's going to throw it to this receiver.

I believe Jordan Addison running all the way across the field.

And if Makuba doesn't get back, spin around and look for work and make this play he honestly probably catches this ball running away from uh Mitchell so great play great heads-up play by the rookie not only being aware of it but going up there and making a play on the football I like that uh Vic Fangio isn't Fangi over.

No kidding.

I like that they still got all the dogs because remember, it was Joe Bover down there for Fangiover with the Miami Dolphins.

And maybe it was just Joe Bover for everybody down there at the Miami Dolphins.

And Vic Fangio celebrating a new life up there in Philadelphia.

A lot of communication pretty much.

Yeah, if you run it back right here, I was just going to point that out.

And this is something that

the common watcher may not see or pay attention to.

But if you run it all the way back, the thing about playing the nickel position, Cooper Desine is in the slot, is communication, the verbal and non-verbal communication.

So this pointing, I'm sure there's some talking going on with the pointing as well.

A lot of point, boom, boom.

Maybe let them know something.

Then let it play.

And watch 33 again because you think why do you throw it down there?

Pause it.

It's back about three clicks.

If you just watch 33 underneath as a slot defender, as an underneath dropper, it's not only about looking up the receiver.

I talked about being a zone defender.

It's about the intentions and the eyes on the quarterback.

So he just feels this receiver behind him.

Let it run, boom.

Feels him.

Nobody's open.

Short, Jefferson's cover.

Obviously, Naylor's cover.

You just throw it down deep.

Carson.

Yeah, he doesn't see.

He doesn't think.

Carson Wentz experience for sure.

He doesn't think by any chance that McCooba is going to get back to that play.

So great great job.

And obviously you'll see from the TV replay that, you know, Carson was, you know, he's pretty bummed out.

I mean, how does Coop, like, Coop, it's Cooper DeGene, right?

You said

the legs are mirrored, and he's not even looking at the guy when he turns and pivots.

That is ridiculous.

I don't even know how the hell you can feel that.

Just a feel.

Yeah, yeah.

Right here, ready?

Yep, just feel.

He goes, he goes, yeah, right, left, right.

And then stops.

Yeah, just like.

He's straightening Carson, I think, right?

Exactly.

Yeah.

Bring the attention to the quarterback.

As soon as he breaks that pocket, you know, it kind of turns into a scramble drill sometimes.

But as that underneath the fender, you just feel one, two, three.

Yeah, you feel him.

It's insane.

Yeah.

Well, and also, that's why the no-look is so impressive.

Yeah.

Because if you just get him a Cooper a little bit off, and then you throw that thing back on him, that's a completion instead of a, I don't think he's open.

Hell, there's a guy wayo down there.

Let me huck this thing.

I'm Carson Weinstein.

And that's fun.

We're appreciative of him doing that.

Do we have more good D?

Nope.

That's all the good D.

So then we got to.

We got bad D.

Oh,

Absolutely.

Sorry, Skull fans.

The Vikings are still on here.

Cover two and something that we're kind of seeing week in and week out on the bad D Some inverted cover two.

So all that means is that the safety or the linebacker, somebody else becomes the flat defender, which is usually number two down here.

They are usually a fat.

They are playing usually the flat as the DB as a corner, but now they go back to be the deep half defender as a cornerback.

Now, can they do it?

Absolutely.

But it's something that safeties do down in and down out, week in and week out.

But now you're putting that on the cornerback.

So now in the deep half.

Number one receiver, which Devontae Smith is down here, you always want to be inside of the number one receiver if you're a deep half.

So he's already in a bad spot here.

And he also, he doesn't have the depth.

So what happened when you don't have the depth is you kind of panic because that receiver, obviously these boys can run.

They get up on you quick.

So boom, does a great job stemming him even more outside, gets him to flip his hips, and then runs a great route.

And obviously play action under center.

You saw a little bit more of that from Jalen Hurts in the Eagles offense, even though they didn't run the ball well.

Great, great ball, deep ball from Jalen Hurts.

But yeah, he put him in, I mean, that's a great, great route.

Because if he just lines up, if these two guys just line up and race, Isaiah Rogers is one of the fastest players in the league.

But when you set him up like that and have him hit that spinner rule, and then obviously a quarterback throws a dot, one of the best, I think, deep ball throwers in the league when he could just get back there and throw it to six or 11.

Jalen Hurts, when he's playing ball, perfect passer rating this week.

Just a great job by not only the quarterback, but the receiver right here setting him up.

A little bit of a blender.

Okay, that's not a good place to be.

Obviously, you feel very helpless and hopeless.

And if that's what the offense is going to look like for Philadelphia going forward, they might go back to back to back.

And maybe everybody will be happy.

Absolutely.

We got some more bad.

We got one more.

One more.

It's the same thing.

It's Big D giving some bad D to the commanders.

It's the same thing.

So, right here at the bottom of the screen, you got Marshawn Lattimore.

He's going to become the deep half safety.

So, once again, inverted cover two.

But this safety, he's not going to be the flat defender.

He's going to be the middle run-through, which is usually the mic linebacker here.

So, he's going to be responsible for CeeDee Lamb up to the left side of the formation if you're looking at it defensively.

And he's going to drop that middle read.

Boom.

So, you let it run here.

Running with the middle read.

Boom.

Now, I drop it and I go to the dig.

Dagger concept.

We see this week in and week out.

CeeDe Lamb sees that he gets dropped.

He knows it's not a middle of field safety.

He just throws his hand up.

Dak, Dak, throw me the ball.

He sees him.

Marshawn takes a bad angle because once again, as a cornerback, as good as Marshawn is as a corner, that's something that safeties usually do.

Angles are everything as a DB, offensive alignment as well.

So if you're playing out of position, it's tough.

And he actually knocks off the other safety.

And then these other boys walking back pedaling to the end zone.

But great job by Dak seeing him, and he's bummed out because he was in position to make this play, but he took a bad angle and it turned into a a touchdown.

That's the life of DBO.

Yeah, that is tough.

And obviously, we all saw that play.

I'm excited to learn why and how we got there.

Well, congrats to the Dallas Cowboys seemingly on firing on all cylinders.

Cookie gas.

They really, it looks like vibes are immaculate.

Yeah.

They're for the Dallas Cowboys.

Good for them.

They got a lot of talent on the offense side.

Defense side, obviously, its thing.

How about the good day and bad day from everything, DB?

Deep once.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to do a magic trick.

Watch this.

I'm going to go ahead and snap my fingers, and all of a sudden, a different human's going to be sitting right here.

What?

Yeah.

Have you ever seen something like this?

Never.

No.

Whoa.

You're gonna disappear too, motherfucker.

Whoa, what?

How?

Hold on.

Should we do it at the same time?

Just, it's my trick, not yours.

Just fucking sit there and shut up.

We have to imagine.

Debut, guess what, bro?

You're fucking disappearing, too.

Okay.

I'm going to snap my fingers, and you three, myself, include, us three, uh-huh, are going to be gone, and there's going to be a new person sitting right here.

Do you think that's possible?

Yep.

Thank you, Aki.

What about sitting there?

Yeah, who's sitting there?

Brand new person.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

Spooky, man.

Do you believe it's possible?

Well, I've seen magic on the stage before, so yeah.

Come along.

Super duper magic.

One of the goats.

Boys,

in front of you right now, there's about to be some fucking magic.

There's about to be something that you're going to talk about forever.

I'm sitting in this seat right now, but as soon as I snap these fingers, there's going to be a brand new person sitting here.

Foxy, if you would go to the straight-on shot, that would be what we are looking for.

Ladies and gentlemen, in three,

two, and

it is magic.

It is magic, right?

I mean, look at that.

I had no idea it would work out that well.

And here we go.

I just boom, rose from the ashes.

Here it is.

Wow.

Big game, guys.

Hey, good D, bad D in the trenches with AQ Shapely, Darius J.

Butler.

I love watching those segments.

I don't know about you guys.

I actually, every time I learn a lot, and it actually brings up like 15 questions every time.

I wish I was there to badger them throughout their whole situation.

Because we know nothing stops a ram truck, right?

We know we see

L wrap up there.

What's it sound like, Command?

And with that being said, we got a big game tonight.

Obviously, Vikings, Chargers, tone, where is the money at tonight?

The money tonight is on the Vikings, actually, plus, or sorry, the 56% of the money is on the Vikings tonight.

They are plus 3.5 or plus 3 at some places as far as the line goes.

A couple of stats for you tonight, Kay?

I don't know if this is going to love stats.

I don't know if this is gonna deter you or or favor any way that you're going tonight carson wentz the wentzaholic the wentz machine yeah whatever the wentz project uh-huh okay

seven and oh on thursday night football okay is is that good hold on though we've got a bit of an immovable object versus the unstoppable force tonight the vikings on thursday night football oh and seven

wow so what do we do what are we supposed to do that's up to you brother what are you gonna do i don't know yet cars that those are what they would call a trend, right?

Oh, yeah.

The trends on both sides.

But double negative, it makes it a positive.

Bango.

But there's a faction.

We flatline at zero on this one, so they cancel each other out.

So you just got to look at the football.

Trust my instincts.

Okay.

And that's when you go to the other side.

Jim Harbaugh, I believe, is 4-0 on short weeks.

He's 4-0.

I don't know if it's on Thursday Night Football, if it's on like a Sunday, and then to Monday.

Yeah, here it is.

The Chargers are 4-0 against the spread on short rest under Jim Harbaugh.

Now, short rest, I don't know, but this definitely would be short rest.

So maybe that's kind of the one that puts it over the goal line per se.

I'm not too sure, but I do know Big Mike McCarthy, who's not on today, he's on tomorrow.

He will send us his pick before

the end of the show as well.

So before the end of the show today, we will know Big Mike's pick.

Yes, okay, because that definitely informs me on where I'm going to go.

Because of Big Mike and his football prowess, I believe if he was picking games, he would be like six and one now or something like that.

Yeah, something crazy.

I think.

Yeah, he's a Pittsburgh guy, you know, had a goal with his wife.

Gotta go back home, right?

Yeah, gotta go back home.

Wouldn't it be nice?

Could be a good night for the green of gold.

Yeah,

we got hard out here coming here shortly, but we got Kirk Herb Street joining us in the next hour, about 1:20.

I believe he'll preview the game.

I know he's out there.

I think he has a pack of wild dogs with him.

Really?

Maybe not wild, but I think Peter, Mitch, Jimmy, Bob,

I think everybody's there.

D is there.

I don't know.

But you know what?

Take three.

We'll be right back, everybody.

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Hey, fans.

Welcome back to Fansville's Cheers

and Tears.

Okay, so like everybody deals with losing, right?

To a rival on a last-second field goal.

Whatever, it's fine.

I'm totally fine.

But I cope with losing with an ice-cold Dr.

Pepper.

Those 23 flavors are like so delicious.

They totally wash away the pain of your college football team taking a big fat L.

College football.

It's a pepper thing.

Thursday, October 23rd, I'm AJ Hawks sitting in for Pat.

He's out on special assignment today.

Sean's joined us the first hour.

Kirk will be joining us the second.

Football!

It always rules the day here around the Pat McAfee show.

We love football at all different levels, but we also love the other sports that are going on.

And we know Conman last night, I believe the Association had a pretty big night, didn't they?

Yeah, it was a fantastic night.

For basketball fans.

Yeah, fantastic night for the NBA last night.

Nick's Cavs kind of kicked us off on ESPN.

Nick's Carl Anthony Towns, doubtful, then he was playing, then he wasn't.

He played great.

They took care of business.

What was wrong with him?

He had a, was it groin or knee, Bruce?

I'm not sure.

Not quad.

He was questionable with a grade two quad.

Game one.

He was like a warrior.

Yeah, between the knee and groin.

I knew it was somewhere in there.

But yeah, they played very well.

76er Celtics.

Celtics without Tatum.

They put up a fight, but the rookie who stole the show right there on the second tap, Vijay Edgecombe, 34 points, seven rebounds, and

three assists to kind of steal the night when it comes to rookie performances.

He was amazing.

Him and Tyrese Maxey seemed to be the new duo on the Sixers.

Embiid only played about 20 minutes.

He really didn't have too much of an effect on the game.

But yeah, this kid is unbelievable.

We are possibly looking at kind of a new look Sixers with two of the better players in the backcourt.

And I'm saying two of the better players.

It's been one game.

I know I'll relax a little bit.

But just from watching it,

this kid is unbelievable.

And 77 on a rookie, I thought it looked like shot.

It's awesome, actually.

Yeah, yeah.

I was like, really liking it.

Then he starts playing, and it's like, oh, 77 on a rookie basketball player is incredible.

So definitely someone to watch as we look forward to.

But the player to watch is is Wemby.

And Cooper Flag had a double double in his debut.

Kind of awesome.

I believe he's the youngest player with a

double in the history of the NBA.

But Wemby.

I mean,

this is entering not fair territory.

If Wemby stays healthy, he will be just a historic winning all-the-awards player.

It looks like he's dunking on an eight-foot rim.

The real problem is he's not lumbering

up and down the court.

He's actually sprinting.

I mean, yeah, pump, fake, pass, right back.

Yeah, try and block me.

You can't.

He had 40 points, 15 rebounds, and an assist.

I believe he was 15 of 21 from the field, 9 of 11 from free throws.

I mean, it just wasn't fair.

He's doing stuff that...

7-foot four, right?

7-foot-4 listed.

A lot of people are saying he's 7'7 ⁇ now.

Bobon, who's on ESPN, he said, hey, look, I'm 7-4.

I'm looking up at Wemby, so he's not 7-4.

He went bananas.

Cooper flag, obviously a story, but with what Wemby did,

it's hard to imagine the Spurs not being a 50-win team and being a real player here if Wemby stays healthy.

But again, you look at his injuries.

He didn't have a soft tissue injury last year.

It was a blood clot.

So saying that, well,

he can't stay healthy.

He gets these injuries.

That's not true.

But yeah, like that dunk right there.

Well, I was just going to say, that up and under, he's got to watch that.

He's so damn big.

He's going to get called for a travel.

Yeah.

He's not even trying to.

He's jumping, but his feet are going to be on the ground on that up and under.

But it is.

He's.

Oh, this ball handling and step back threes.

Like, I mean, I know that one.

That one went around the side.

It's like you're watching a different sport when you watch him play.

It's like you're watching a different species.

That's a better way to put it.

That's true.

Yeah.

And Bruce made a great point.

Like, you really can't contest his shots because if you do, because of how big he is, he's going to land much,

much further in front of the three-point line, and he's going to get and ones just like that.

But even stuff like this, you know,

we're talking about the Mavericks, okay?

Anthony Davis has won defensive player of the year and he really can't do anything.

And he's one of those players that everyone says AD can cover anybody.

Yeah, Wemby is legitimately a foot taller than Anthony Davis, or at least that's how it looks.

Like Anthony Davis can't jump with Wemby because if he does, all of a sudden, you know, he is going to foul him.

And guess what?

Wemby is going to dunk the ball.

There it is on the bottom there.

He's the first player to score 40-15 with at least 75% shooting and zero turnovers in a game since turnovers were ever tracked.

I don't know when that started, probably after Michael Jordan, but still.

Whoa, Wenby.

That's true.

That's true.

But Wemby is just an absolute specimen.

It's one of those things where I hope there's 50 prime time San Antonio.

His MVP odds yesterday went from anywhere.

They're anywhere from like plus 950 to plus 1250.

I saw, which is, if you don't know, it's it's $100 to win $900 or $100 to win $1,200.

They went from that to plus $300.

He is now the second in the MVP odds, only behind SGA.

I know Connor mentioned, what, 50 wins?

Are they going to be able to make a run in the playoffs?

Are they a solid basketball team?

It's not just him.

They have Castle, who was rookie of the year.

They had back-to-back rookies of the year.

So that was pretty good for them.

They traded for D'Aaron Fox last year.

He did not play last year.

New coach is getting great pub, too.

And mic'd up with him, right?

And then they got, got, who's the rookie they got?

Ron Harper kid.

Yeah, Ron Harper's kid.

Like, yeah, they're a good basketball team.

Yeah, Ron Harper's kid came off the bench at 15 points.

Harrison Barnes is on the team.

Barnes, Barnes.

Yeah, like they are all of a sudden, and not all of a sudden, because it's kind of been like this with Wemby for a few years now, where it's like, hey, just wait.

This kid is going to be unbelievable.

And now this is what happens.

He starts the season with 40 and 15 against a multi-defensive part of the year, Anthony Davis.

So it's seriously one of those same situations.

Like, hey, if they are healthy, they are going to be unbelievable this year.

They're one of these teams parentally, too, who, like, if they're good around the trade deadline, like you find one superstar who's unhappy somewhere, like they'll be brought up in conversation because it's like, hey, they have Wemby.

He's healthy.

Like, if we can get a little more scoring or whatever it is they need at that point, like they can be legitimate title contenders.

Yeah.

And I saw people on the internet saying LeBron go in there would be cool.

When I say people, I was just talking about me.

I'm really hoping LeBron goes there just because the Spurs are one of those teams.

It's very similar to the Packers.

Like, they're kind of the Packers of the NBA.

They're always good.

Even when they lose Legends, they have a next guy up.

Now, I don't want to go into detail about how the Spurs got the number one pick when Wemby was the number one prospect and they've gotten three slurs.

Squatter, right?

The balls came out of the shape.

Listen, the NBA has gone through too much.

Yeah, you're dealing with a lot, too.

You're right.

But Wemby being there, it's perfect.

Like him being a Spur, him growing up in France with Tony Parker being a spur and him being a massive spurs fan like it is incredible that we're here at this point now a few years into it where it's not a situation and not to to you know dunk on him or shit on him but not a situation like zion where you know zion ton of ton of hype everyone's still excited about him people are i'm still excited about him right now but like wemby has already kind of arrived as like uh yeah this guy's a stud.

I mean, he trained with monks in the offseason, so he got the whole entire Zen.

He's doing kicks, and that's a big thing, too, like as far as him not, seriously, him not, you know, being worried about like a hammy or a foot like you normally see with that.

But then here's the other side of it.

He trained with KG.

So kind of the double,

both sides of the basketball coin, Zen, and also like a massive, you're going to eat my shit mentality like Kevin Garnett had.

It's one of those possible perfect storms where we might have a true, you know, change of the guard.

We've been talking about the face of the league.

If this keeps happening, forget everything else.

Like, Wemby will be the guy when LeBron is done.

And hopefully, LeBron still has, you know, five years left.

How old is Wemby?

22.

That's it?

I think.

I mean, Wemby could put on.

He's 21.

21, excuse me.

Which is wild to think of.

He could, not easily, but if this

in one year or two years, if he wanted, just growing into his body, he could put on 40 pounds of muscle.

He can't, though.

That's how these guys end up.

I mean, like, I would agree, but that's how these guys get hurt and they get the foot the foot issues and then it's like because that is the i mean if you're seven seven if he breaks one bone in his foot like it's it's just you know we saw it with greg odin we saw it with a bunch of these guys holmgren's rookie yeah exactly ched holmgren like that's what he almost he almost needs to be that exact build to kind of maximize i mean obviously put a little bit of weight on but like You're that big.

You really can't put that much weight on.

Giannis is not as tall of him, but Giannis is what, seven foot?

Like, he came in as skinny as Wemby, and then he's like super bunched.

He's growing, you know, you kind of get your man strength, even if he's not trying, like, yeah, it watching him mature over the years will be awesome to see.

Yeah, imagine him shouldering people, too.

Yeah, exactly.

He's already doing it.

And like J.J.

Reddick, talking about him before JJ Reddick was coaching, was you know, kind of mentioned how he's already, as far as like maturity, he's already there.

Like, he's 21, but he's hanging out with monks and he's training with Kevin Garnett.

He's not, you know, taking this not seriously at all.

But then, even on the broadcast, they mentioned he has actually put on weight.

Like it's just one of those things where, you know, like

7-7.

He's 7-7.

Yeah.

It's like Kevin Durant almost.

It's like, hey, Kevin Durant's been in the gym, you know, working out.

But then you see him and it's like, well, how come he doesn't have huge muscles like Giannis or like LeBron?

And I think that's kind of the comparison here with Wemby is more so like Kevin Durant.

When Kevin Durant first came in, they said, hey, you're not going to be able to succeed with that type of build.

Couldn't do 135.

Yeah, bingo.

He couldn't bench 135.

Yeah, like that was the big story.

He's screwed.

Obviously, now, 15 years later, Kevin Turant is one of the greatest scorers in the history of the NBA.

Wemby now is kind of on that sort of trajectory.

And it's sweet just being able to kind of talk about and celebrate this with everything going on in the NBA, just because with everything that has happened this morning, that's hogged it.

But Wemby last night is very much worth talking about and spotlighting just because this is going to be appointment television.

Like for me now, I already favorited the, you know, the Spurs on my sports app, so I know when they're playing, like, I want to watch this guy as much as possible when he is healthy, just because if, you know, heaven forbid he does get hurt or anything like that, I will regret not watching him while he was.

And the blood clot thing, that, I mean, that was a scary situation, but then I don't know how you get a handle on it, and then hopefully you're passing.

Like David Andrews, he missed an entire NFL season.

Yeah, Barmore, he missed an entire NFL season last year with blood clots, but you know,

they made it back a year later.

And I think that's a very similar situation here.

Well, good.

Good luck to Wemby, and he's great for the NBA, especially in times right now that the NBA is facing.

Has anything new popped up over the last 30 minutes or so?

No, I think it'll probably be over the next 30 minutes based on people being arraigned, right?

They'll get brought in to see the judge.

And I guess what presented your charges?

Will they get bail?

Are they going to be stuck in jail?

I don't know.

I would imagine they'd post bail.

Maybe not.

Who knows?

We're going to find out.

Yeah.

What a wild story that we're just scratching the surface, aren't we?

Yeah.

I wonder if there's some players and coaches that are kind of worried, kind of scared right now.

I'd assume so.

Yeah, me too.

What if you just attended one of the...

I mean, there's probably some guys pissed off, actually, that played in these poker games.

Like, wait, you guys could see my whole cards?

Like, you could, there's a reason I lost every single time.

Maybe I'm not a terrible poker player.

Yeah, exactly.

Like, I'm sure a lot of people this morning are finding out they got screwed over during these games.

Oh, man.

Well, we're going to pivot because we know NFL is king around here on this show.

Thank you, Wemby, and what you're doing.

Everyone else in the NBA.

I know guys are starting out hot.

We have, what, 81 games to go for most of most of the time.

That's right.

That's right.

Yeah, it was.

The Pacers, we got a finals rematch on ESPN tonight.

It's OKC at the Pacers, and then the late game is Golden State at, or sorry, the Nuggets at the Warrior State.

Okay, I like that Nuggets.

Warriors game is both those games are good.

Debuts for the Pacers and Nuggets tonight.

Nice.

We'll take that.

We want to pivot quickly to the NFL.

Lamar Jackson, guys, I believe he is practicing.

That is all reports show that today, was today his first day of practice?

Yes, you're good.

Yesterday's his first day, Wednesday, Thursday, he's going to practice today.

I guess they'll check him out, see how he's doing.

Ty, when you think about this, I know you and Shefty, you know, you do the Shefty podcast together.

What is he?

Does he have anything more on this?

He pretty much said this morning that Lamar Jackson came out, I think, 20 minutes late to practice yesterday.

And he talked to sources inside the building who basically said, like, hey, this isn't, this still isn't a sure thing that he's going to go on Sunday.

We want to see where

we want to see where he's at

after today's practice, and then that'll give give them a much better feel.

And I kind of just asked him, like, well, at one in five, like, you know, the Ravens don't really have a choice.

They kind of have to start Lamar.

This was like their entire plan with, hey, after the bye week, our schedule gets a little bit softer.

So they need him to go.

But then Shefty also brought up, he said, hey, you know, so this is two weeks plus a bye, and then one additional practice that Lamar Jackson missed.

He said, you know, Jaden Daniels is basically

has the almost exact same injury right now or very similar, and everyone's body's different.

But he said, you know, the commanders have the teeth of their schedule coming up.

So if you look at it, it's like, could he miss the most important stretch of their season?

Maybe so.

And Jaden is out.

They've already ruled him out for a Monday night game against the Chiefs.

Obviously, that's a big one, playing the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes and what they are doing.

But for Jaden to be out already,

man, that's a big blow.

You cannot, like, if you're a Ravens fan or the Ravens team, like, you can't, you you can't lose another one.

Like, you can't lose this one.

You can go one and six.

No.

I mean, one and five is a tough hole to dig into.

One and five is a tough hole.

One in six, like, then there's no room for, because what?

Nine and I guess 10 and seven, nine and eight.

Like, people have got into the playoffs, but not with, like, not with the way the AFC East, with top of the AFC East, top of the AFC South is looking right now.

Like, you, they can't afford to lose any more games.

And that's also assuming that everything goes perfect.

Like, then all of a sudden the defense starts holding teams to 14 points a game and their offense comes up.

Like, yeah, there is no room for error.

So that's why it's like,

even if he's at 60%, you almost have to play Lamar on Sunday.

Yeah, not to mention, like, to Tony's point, if we pull up the records of the, you know, the entire league right now, like you look around, especially in that wild card race, it's so tight where one and six might be too big of a hole.

You know, like BA was on here this week talking about how the Bengals are going to get it going.

You got two teams in the AFC South, the Jags, we all still believe in.

And then look at the AFC West.

Like the Chargers are playing tonight, and the Chiefs are the Chiefs, you know?

So do we think the Chargers are going to collapse and completely blow up their season to the point where

they're 10 and 7?

I just don't know.

Just because the faith in Harbaugh and even the same thing with the Bills, like you fully expect the Bills to turn it around and go.

Yeah, me too.

Looking at that right now, I think if you're the Ravens, I don't even know.

I don't think you're trying to get a wild card because, I mean, you're obviously behind those three AFC West teams, the two AFC South teams, the two AFC East teams.

Like you literally literally have to hope that the Steelers aren't as good as their record is right now, and you win the North.

Like I think winning the North is the only way that probably the Ravens get in right now.

I mean the Ravens are just trying to get a win.

They're trying to get one win.

Yes.

Let's go 1-0 this week, the old cliche situation.

What did you think about, I mean, you were on with us, but now a day later, just about the veterans taking the toys out.

I get it.

I mean, I would assume that the veterans were

pissed off at how maybe some young guys were handling things that they weren't being a pro.

You know, that's the whole thing.

Like, be a pro and being a pro is no secret.

Like show up on time.

Don't be late to meetings.

Do what you say you're going to do.

Like be accountable to your teammates and just do the right thing.

So I'd assume, I don't know that the little things were slipping here and there.

I don't know, guys.

I guess I could see it.

See, I never really played in a locker room that had even ping pong tables.

And I was in Green Bay for nine years.

We didn't have anything.

We had like the little guys would play the little roll the dice game.

What is it?

Not cribbage.

They play cribbage.

Yachty.

And other ones.

No, not Yahtzee.

That's what I thought of before.

But no, I don't know.

They all talk about it.

I never played it.

We didn't have any games like that, so I don't know.

But I understand vets wanting to get stuff out of there if they feel like young guys maybe can't handle it.

Like, you guys think this is Disneyland here?

Like, we're one and five right now.

We're a terrible football team.

Yeah, Keith Bullock

had a hysterical tweet about,

and I don't think we have it, but it was just about how, like, yeah, we do actually.

And it's essentially just, where is it?

Yeah, in 2005, we were terrible.

4-12 young, young, what is it?

Young cats.

Yeah, young cats was

always playing Mario Kart or some shit in the locker room during break.

One time, they paused the game to play where they left off after practice.

Man, I broke that system to pieces.

Fuck that video game.

We out here losing.

Like that type of stuff.

Reading that is when it's like, okay, I could see,

you know, not a Marlon Humphrey, but a Kyle Van Noy going in there like, hey, I don't know why we're still dicking around with all this stuff.

Like, get it out of here.

But does that feel a little bit like an overreaction?

Maybe get some of the things out?

Like, I don't know.

It's probably a couple weeks in the making when whoever the vets were talking about.

Hey, man, we can get this stuff out of here.

These guys don't know.

They don't know what it's like.

They don't know how to prepare something like that.

Anytime you're losing, you're going to do something.

You're going to change something.

They're going to figure it out.

Oh, I got to put white laces in my cliques this week.

That's going to make us win.

Okay.

We don't know.

One guy that does know tone, that does understand what it means to win.

We got him on the line here.

He's going to be on the call tonight.

Huge game.

Obviously, Vikings at Chargers from SoFi.

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr.

Kirk Herbstreet.

What's up, boys?

How are we doing?

We're doing great, Kirk.

How you?

What's it like out there?

Obviously, we know your travels are documented, you know, throughout every single week.

It's unbelievable.

I know, I think, Peter, Mitch, you got multiple dogs making the trip this week.

I don't know if they're with you now.

I don't know if they're joining you, game day, whatever it might be.

But what's it like out there?

And what was it like?

I assume you talked to both these coaching staffs.

Yeah,

Peter's with me right now.

We're flying back to Nashville tonight after the game with Game Day and Bandy.

And I'm going to first time bring the other guys out to say hello to some people

on Saturday.

But

this game is interesting.

You know, it's

Minnesota is a team that I think we're all very excited about what they can be and who they can be this year.

I see your photo there of Carson Wentz.

That was a big question.

Was J.J.

McCarthy,

was his ankle going to be ready to go?

Would they green light him this week or maybe wait another week?

Turns out Carson will continue to go.

He's 2-2 as a starter filling in for J.J.

McCarthy.

And yet, I mean, they've had offensive line injuries, just like a lot of teams at this point.

You guys know what it's like following your teams and just the entire league.

We get to this point in the season, but some have been hit a lot harder than others.

And these are two really good examples of teams that are just trying to hold on, trying to survive and getting a little healthier.

But,

you know, the Chargers started 3-0.

They've lost three of their last four.

They're reeling a bit and a big opportunity after an incredibly disappointing game, as you guys saw against Jonathan Taylor and the Colts, who just, I mean, they did really anything they wanted to offensively against the Chargers defense, whether it was running or Daniel Jones making good decisions.

That's a whole different story.

I know you guys are enjoying what Indy's been about, but the Chargers are reeling.

And sometimes when you're reeling, AJ, you've probably lived this.

Sometimes those short weeks that are often dreaded by players, sometimes you're looking forward to just getting back out there and trying to get that bad taste out of your mouth.

And my sense is that's kind of where the Chargers' defense is.

Yeah, I would assume, yeah, I think anytime you get beat, you cannot wait to get back out there and try to figure things out and make it right, I guess.

When you watch this Chargers' offense and defense play, I guess, but their offense in general, like specifically, you say they lost the last, they've lost three out of the last four.

Like, what's going on with them?

What do they have to do, I guess, to turn this thing around tonight?

Well, I just talked to Greg Roman this morning, the offensive coordinator, and

their entire investment of this offseason was to get better in the backfield.

And they, you know, got O'Marion Hampton from North Carolina and brought Najee Harris over from Pittsburgh.

They just thought, you know, they wanted to get back to being a great running team, take some of the heat off of the passing game and Justin Herbert.

And then Slater gets hurt in camp.

Brashawn Slater, one of the best left tackles in the game, gets hurt in camp.

And now that was a massive blow to just their culture, their DNA.

So they took Joe Alt, who's a stud from Notre Dame at right tackle.

They had to move him over to left tackle.

And that really impacted things, I think.

And then he gets hurt.

So they've been playing like their fifth and sixth offensive tackle in recent weeks.

And yet they're still a top five offense.

So they went from being, hey, let's run the football, let's get two tight ends, you know, and then we'll take it off of Herbert as you see in that photo or that video there Herbert's gotten hit more than any quarterback in the in the entire league because they've had to abort who they want to be their identity which is running the ball and let Herbert complement the running game they've gone back to who they were as an offense before Harbaugh and Roman got there which is spread people out and make him throw the tight end he they were down last week he threw it 55 times last week and it's just not who they want to be.

So they've been banged up up front at the offensive line.

They've lost three of their top four running backs.

And so a lot of it has been on all the passing games.

So now they go up against Brian Flores and a Vikings defense, as we all know, that loves the pressure and loves to come after you.

So it'd be interesting to see kind of the game plan that they come up with to try to negate that pressure package that

Flores and the Vikings like to play with.

Tosh Schmidt, you got something?

Yeah, Kirk, you mentioned the quarterback situation, how we didn't maybe know if it was going to be Carson or JJ.

Whether it's who you've talked to or kind of just your opinion of the whole thing, what do you think is the ultimate plan, I guess, for the Vikings with their quarterback situation?

A lot of people saying the whole JJ McCarthy is, you know, like a soft benching, if you will, and they're kind of just going to let Carson, you know, find his feet.

And then obviously you have what Sam Darnold's doing in Seattle that's kind of just rubbing it in a little bit.

But do you get, do you have any feel that, hey, if Carson Wens goes out there, looks good tonight and kind of maybe strings together a couple wins, Like, does he have the chance here to maybe be the Viking starter for the rest of the season?

Or are they still all, you know, gung-ho on JJ and he'll be back whenever he's, I guess, healthier than he is now?

I mean, Ty, you know, this division.

I mean, it's your team's in there, and you follow it closely.

I think what you're alluding to is

you almost have to read between the lines.

No one is coming out, including Ocono, and saying that, hey, here's what we think.

I think they're talking strictly about the ankle and his availability.

And no one's saying that Carson Wentz, who's 2-2 right now, has a chance to be the guy.

I will say this.

I know J.J.

McCarthy in that opener against Chicago didn't play great.

He had that nice quarter late to be able to pull out of the end.

But if you guys go back to that game, the reason I've been a big fan of J.J.

McCarthy's is the juice that he brings, the way his team believes in him.

And if you saw the reaction that night,

you had defensive players coming down.

You had JJ or Justin Jefferson, like everybody responds to him.

So I think there's a lot there to like.

I think there's a lot there to think about the potential of what he and this offense can be with him as a starting quarterback.

But I think what you're alluding to is fair.

I mean, if he, what if Carson Wentz goes out tonight and just plays awesome?

What if he's hitting everything, making good decisions, not turning the ball over, and they get out with a win?

And then next week,

they're going to ask Kevin O'Connell what's going on with the ankle?

Is JJ McCarthy?

Because it sounded like it was almost right on the edge of being able to pull the trigger and play him this week.

So if that's the case, you get a mini-buy on a Thursday night game for next Sunday.

Why wouldn't he be ready to go next week, regardless of what Carson Wentz does, if he's your guy?

Now, now I step back for a second.

When you have a high ankle sprain, you're getting mental reps, but you're not,

think about in two years,

forget playing.

He hasn't gotten practice, just developmental practice of getting reps.

And you just wonder how much that has slowed down his potential growth.

So I don't know.

I don't think it's J.J.

McCarthy's amiss on a draft pick.

I think it's more of.

We got this guy, Carson Wentz, that's functioning pretty well.

We got our other guy that we think is going to be the guy, but he's not even on the practice field.

So how do we go from a guy who's, who's, let's say, three and two as a starter to a guy that's not had any reps?

I don't know.

I understand where the kind of the spot that he's in right now as a head coach and play caller.

But I think it's a fair discussion for Minnesota media and fans to wonder where is this heading two weeks from now, three weeks from now?

Are we waiting for Carson Wentz to implode and then you go to J.J.

McCarthy?

Or does it not even matter what Wentz does?

At some point, they're going to go to their guy because they believe in him, despite not getting a whole lot of reps.

Yeah, Kirk, when you watch this Vikings team, obviously you talk to Kevin O'Connell.

What separates him as a coach?

We know, like, the old saying, hey, you could plug anybody in there at QB, it feels like, and Kevin O'Connell is going to get them right.

He's going to give them a good chance to be successful.

Like, from talking to him and watching him,

what is it that makes him special?

I think it's just, you always hear that saying, quarterback-friendly offense.

I think it's because of the way they attack.

They don't put it all on the quarterback.

They run the football typically when they're healthy.

And by the way, Aaron Jones will be back tonight, which is a massive deal.

When they picked up Jordan Mason last year from San Francisco, what they envisioned is taking some of the heat off of Aaron Jones and letting them be a tandem and a combination.

And so you have that now with him coming back.

So I think that's great.

But I think the reason these Kirk Cousins and what we've seen under Kevin O'Connell with Sam Darnold, the reason he's able to do that is because you got great personnel around the position.

They don't put everything on the quarterback.

They run the ball, they boot, they naked, they play action.

Their drop back game is rhythmic, timing, get the ball out.

They give you answers as a quarterback.

So I think he's one of the better play callers, in my opinion, in the NFL and does as good a job as anybody at diagnosing a defense and knowing how to attack it and finding its weaknesses.

So you got a Chargers defense that's more than capable of playing better than they have in recent weeks.

I think they've lost a little bit of their mojo and confidence.

And like I said earlier, I think a short week getting Khalil Mack back.

You know, he played 12 snaps last week just as a pass rusher.

And meanwhile, even at 34 years old, he still sets the edge and is really physical.

Denzel Perryman came back last week.

So I think some pieces are coming back.

But to answer your question, I just think Kevin O'Connell does a really good job of providing answers and not making the quarterback feel like we're going to go as you go.

You know, I think there's enough weapons around that position.

Think about it.

You got Justin Jefferson, arguably the top receiver in the entire league on one side.

Jordan Addison on the other.

You got TJ Hawkinson, who's getting more and more healthier as far as that ACL he's recovering from.

Jalen Naylor, you got Jordan Mason, Aaron Jones.

I mean, there's a lot there, and I think it makes the quarterback feel like, okay, I don't have to feel like I got to play Superman ball for us to be able able to move the football and and if you watch sam darno last year he seemed to have he'd get back one hitch balls out you know he gives these quarterbacks confidence because he gives them answers yeah i think we're all excited to watch the the carson wentz experience tonight we know that that guy's going to have a few extended plays where he he stumbles around he finds a way and who knows maybe it'll be a 70 yard completion maybe something else may happen kirk we're going to pivot tone day's got something about the college football he wants to question you on yeah kirk i i saw your top five I love your top five.

You have the four undefeated teams, obviously, Ohio State, Indiana, A ⁇ M, Georgia, Tech.

Then you put Bama at five, your first non-undefeated team.

BYU is going to be pissed at you.

I know they are.

But I wanted to ask you about just the top 25 and the rankings in general.

Because when it comes to like the college football playoff and they're not going to do their rankings, I believe it's early November that they do theirs.

Like they're going to use, I think there's seven or eight teams that were in the top 25 week one who are not in the top 25 now.

And they're going to use those week one wins against top 25 teams like as a metric.

Are you someone that, because there's a lot of people now talking, hey, we shouldn't do rankings until at least October, stuff like that.

Were you following all of this and then counting like those top 25 wins early in the season for the college football playoff down the line?

I don't think, I don't think anybody looks at Ohio State.

At least I don't think the committee should look at Ohio State as an example, beating Texas and say, hey, they were the number, whatever they were, one or two teams in a country.

I think if you're sitting there on that committee, that's part of your job.

And the reason we don't just rely on computers is for them to look at, okay, Texas is now down at 22.

That doesn't mean Texas couldn't slide up by the end of the year, but for now, that win doesn't feel as heavy as it did the opening week.

I'm a fan of preseason rankings.

I'm a Reds fan.

I see AJ talk.

Baseball season is typically over for me, usually well before the 4th of July.

So I'm jonesing for some news and some stuff to talk about.

So if an AP poll comes out in the second or third week in August and gets us to get excited about college football, I personally have no problem with it.

I have the ability to look at a preseason poll

and after five weeks of football, six, seven weeks, I don't even know what happened in the preseason.

I don't give a shit about the preseason.

I'm watching football like right now.

Like I watch every single week and I have opinions that change and,

oh, that's the team I thought thought they were.

You know, I guess they're not that team.

Penn State is an example of that.

Or a team like BYU.

You know, they lose their quarterback in the middle of camp and they got to find a freshman, Bear Bachmeier, who no one really knew what he could do.

And all of a sudden, wow, look at BYU.

You know,

am I going to hold on to my preseason thoughts on

week one rankings of BYU?

No, no, no.

It's like, no, of course not.

I'm looking at BYU kicking ass taking names and what they've done over the last five or six weeks.

So I think it's a lot of just nothing else to talk about.

Let's talk about how unfair preseason polls are.

I don't have any issue with them at all.

I think we can all adjust accordingly to

actually watching football.

And the teams that end up being overrated, they think in the rankings or they drop out.

So

I don't think the committee gets caught up in preseason rankings at all when it comes to eventually early November after eight or nine weeks by then of football of where they're going to stack those teams.

Good.

Kirk, what about you had you had some hot takes about Indiana and their Adidas uniforms?

Have you come around on that at all?

Has anyone come at you a little bit?

I don't know.

What do you think?

So did you, AJ?

Yeah, I kind of co-signed with you, Kirk.

Yeah, well, I see your shirt there, your hoodie you got on.

I made it pretty clear.

I had nothing.

Bro, I got nothing against Adidas.

I don't, I'm, you know, when I was younger, I was incredibly loyal and just an all-about Nike guy, thanks to Michael, growing up in the Michael Jordan era.

But I'm not as passionate about it, but I know what I see.

I know when I look at a uniform, if a uniform is tight, if it looks good.

You know what recruits say too, Kirk?

You know what these high school recruits are watching at too.

Well, again, I don't know.

A high school recruit might, I don't know what, what's what's

wrong with you?

It's got a fit.

So my brother played at Miami, Ohio.

And Ohio you.

He said when they came out to warm-ups when they played big teams, they played, they played Michigan, I believe Ohio State once.

He said they they talked about, yeah, Iowa.

He said they came out to warm-ups and they were like, him and his teammates said, look how tight their jerseys are.

Look how their pants actually fit.

Like they talked about how nice it all fit them and how like it looks like.

Remember when you played on the on the we elks?

Do you remember that?

Oh yeah, come on.

And there was a couple guys on the team that like in fifth grade, their pants just...

They just weren't working.

They're almost down to their calves.

Just too big and baggy.

That's what the Adidas uniform looks like to me.

It looks like the little league uniform where the kids just don't quite fit into their uniform.

And again, it's nothing against Adidas.

I don't know anybody from Adidas.

I have no loyalty to anybody.

I'm just drawn by what I see.

And what I see is just not a good uniform.

We get it.

We get it.

Conman, you got something?

Yeah, Kirk, unfortunately, it doesn't matter because Mendoza's spinning the pill on that uniform.

So I don't think they really care.

Bro, I got him.

I had him at one last week in the country.

And it's just, Ohio State's been so consistent.

It's hard to not have them at one based on their potential.

But Indiana, I'm consistent.

What they did at Oregon in 60 minutes, they impressed me than anything.

Oh, yeah.

The culmination of all they did last year and all they did this year up to that game.

They completely won me over and everybody over, if you watched them, going into Eugene and winning that game.

So

they're legit.

They're real.

The city exploded after that game, and they won, especially with what the Colts are doing now, Kirk.

But something kind of came through the wire today.

An SEC ref, Ken Williamson, was permanently suspended.

The decision to remove the longtime referee comes in the immediate wake of an SEC review of 11 complaints against

Williamson, excuse me, from the Auburn, Georgia game.

Now, I believe I believe it was last year on Thursday night football you were calling the Vikings game against the Rams in LA, and that game kind of ended controversially with the face mask of Darnold.

I don't know if it was Thursday night football, but it might be.

It was.

Okay, yeah, I thought so.

Something like this seems to be incredibly forward-thinking, if you will, when it comes to the referee situation.

And there's been others as well.

But when you see something like this that the SEC is doing, do you think that is something that will ever be kind of universally done by sports, not just the NFL, not just, you know, college football, but all sports across the board.

You know, the MLB, you know, the MLB ref or excuse me, umpire during the Blue Jays Mariners game was kind of scrutinized for the same pitch, one being called a ball, the other being called a strike.

And then there are situations that pop up all over when it comes to refs and sports.

What do you kind of think about that situation?

And also, real quick, thanks for coming on and talking to the Bugle Boys.

We know this show sucks without Pat, so you coming on actually makes it much better.

We very much appreciate it.

Thank you, Kirk.

Man, I'll join you guys anytime.

I love you guys.

I would say,

I don't know how you feel about this, Connor.

I look at this where I don't mind

the bang-bang play at first base without going to replay.

I don't mind the human air.

I don't mind,

and I've had my teams that I cheer for get the bad end of that, but I think there's certain calls that I think that's part of the game, you know, where before the replay, or a guy makes a, it's a call in a gray area, and it could go this way or that way, and it goes against you, and it's the end of the world.

With that being said, that's kind of like the way I always grew up.

And just, you know, it's part of the game.

I hate blaming referees or umpires for games.

Amen.

But with that being said,

I do think

that if a guy has consistently had

rough outings where a league or a conference has to

call a coach or call an athletic director and basically apologize for a miss.

And that happens at a regular rate.

Then I think this is, as you said, groundbreaking.

Can you guys remember anything like this where a guy in the middle of the season is asked to take a seat?

I've never heard of anything like that.

I think it's holding, you talk about holding players and coaches and everybody accountable.

Referees have always never really had to deal with that, maybe in the offseason, but not in season.

So I think it's an eye-opener.

I'm a referee guy.

I'm pro referee.

I think they, you know, fans get way too emotional about it, but

I'm interested to see what this leads to.

If we end up, you know, this is kind of like that first example.

And now you start to see it more and more, not just in college football, but all-around sports.

Kirk, I don't know if you saw, you don't have to dive into it.

We're going to let you roll here in a second.

NBA is dealing with some stuff, huh?

Some stuff we haven't seen in a long time.

Like, this is wild, isn't it?

Yeah.

I don't know.

I've been digging into this game, so I don't know all the details.

I've just seen some of the headlines.

You guys can shed some light.

There was the mafia involved, I saw.

Coast of Nostra.

Yeah, yeah.

The Chauncey Bills

allegedly, they're being arraigned today was what Sean's told us to

Chauncey Billups allegedly kind of fixing illegal poker games.

And AJ made the point like it's already an illegal game and then they're doing illegal stuff on top of it.

And then

Terry Rogier is more so

allegedly.

That's actually on the court, right?

Yeah, that's it.

Terry's on the court, yeah.

Similar to Jante Porter, if you remember from the Raptors last year.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

It's,

and I think a lot of people with the access to, at least the sports betting, not the stuff going on with a card game, but the sports betting stuff, I think a lot of people have been alluding to the slippery slope and how this could very easily lead to some issues.

And maybe this will be something that sends a clear message that people are watching.

And, you know, you got to be super careful with what you're doing.

And

yeah, it's just anything that happens in the news, nothing necessarily really, I think, surprises any of us.

We're just so used to one thing after another.

It takes a lot for us to all say, holy cow, can you believe this?

But this one definitely makes you think,

how deep does it go?

Is this going to be a domino effect potentially?

And are there other people

out there

that maybe go down as well?

But I hate to see it.

I think it's awful.

Yeah, I'm sure the league is scrambling behind the scenes, obviously trying to figure everything out right now.

And Kirk, we know you will be on the call tonight.

Obviously, Vikings at Chargers and then flying tomorrow, Missouri at Vanderbilt.

You pump for tomorrow especially, Kirk?

I mean,

Saturday game, buddy?

I am.

I'm looking forward.

I think the one time I've lived in Nashville since 2011.

The one time we were there for the show was 2008 when I was still living in UA.

And so it's been a long time since we've been there, but Diego Pavia and Clark Lee have created that.

And by the way, Missouri needs to be a big part of, I mean, they're a top 15 team coming off a tough loss last week, but I think they're a team that's fired up from listening to their coach.

Drink seems to be playing the disrespect card.

But they're going to come in ready to roll.

And then I fly to Baton Rouge after game day, so it seems like a home game, but I got to go down to Baton Rouge, not have to, I get to.

Go down to Baton Rouge for Texas A ⁇ M, who I think's three, if I'm not mistaken,

against

the LSU team that already has a couple losses.

They're in desperation mode for a win.

So I'll be calling that one Saturday night with Chris and Holly and our crew on ABC.

How about these ABC games, guys?

Every single week.

What's Baton Rouge like at night, Kirk?

I've never been there even during the ever.

Like, that's got to be a big thing.

You've got to bring your boys down.

I know, I know.

You got to bring your boys down there for that and your wife.

I mean, you guys would love it just because you're football crazy people.

I mean, just to be able to take it in and see it.

You're splitting hairs when you talk about the shoe at night.

If it's a bit, you know, if Ohio State's playing Northwestern versus when they're playing a team that's, you know, a top five team, you know the difference, right?

And LSU, all these places are the same way.

It's deafening.

You know, it's the whiteout, LSU at night, especially right now when they're playing a number three team in a country.

It's awesome.

It's just, you know, you can smell bourbon in the air.

You can smell the smokers outside are cooking.

I mean, it's a very festive, different kind of atmosphere that I love going to every single time we get a chance to get down there.

Yeah, that's someplace I'll hopefully get to at some point.

But, Kirk, enjoy the game tonight.

We will all be watching you and Al enjoy your halftime meal.

I know Al gets great food for you guys out there.

Should be a fun 12 minutes for you.

I know NFL halftime is only about 12 minutes.

It's tough.

It's tough for you guys.

In college, 20 minutes, probably much easier for Al to eat if he was doing those games.

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Yeah, he's got a Kirk's got a pretty good travel situation going on throughout the weekend.

So usually leaves Wednesday every week.

He's had a lot of,

he's been to Seattle, LA.

He's had a lot of

coastal yes.

He's not even calling like game day.

Missouri Vandy.

He's had a couple NFL games, West Coast, Oregon, West Coast, where he has then had his game East Coast or whatever.

The schedule hasn't really fared him yet.

So what year is this for him doing Thursday Night Prime?

Four?

Four.

Yeah, four.

It's pretty awesome.

Pretty awesome.

It doesn't feel that lone.

It doesn't.

I mean, Wemby's in his third year, right?

Yeah.

That doesn't feel like that.

I feel like I'm watching him get drafted a week.

See you.

Yeah, it's even like when we talked about Zion and John Moran yesterday.

It's like you think these guys are about to be 30, and then you realize they're 25 and 26.

It's like, so much of the time, I feel like just because we were in it every day, like the time feels like it goes by a little faster.

And then when you look at like the actual years when these kids were these kids, but Zion and John Moran.

Yeah, they are kids compared to me, that's for sure.

Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

And it's just insane.

But I mean, the fourth year now, too, like, good for them finally getting

good game after good game.

They really went through the bullshit.

You're right.

Terrible prime time for a while.

Was Prime doing a deal when they were, was it Prime when they were doing the whole color rush situation?

That was a Prime Network.

That was a nice thing.

That was another NFL network.

I think I played in the first Thursday night NFL game.

We played the Cowboys.

2000-something.

Aaron stepped in.

Yeah.

Was that the first one you went?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Color Rush.

I don't know if it was Color Rush one.

But I remember Mark getting hurt, and he came in.

Aaron came in and played great.

The Cowboys ended up winning, but it was a very good thing.

There's that clip of Collinsworth being like, boy, boy, Aaron's terrible.

He's got to play.

Yeah.

Then Aaron came in and was slinging it right.

Yeah.

They're like two touchdowns.

And yeah, he looked great.

There we are.

Yeah, 17 years later.

Aaron is playing.

He's playing his old squad.

The Packers are coming to town, coming to Pittsburgh to play Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I believe Aaron's out there talking.

Is there animosity, Tone?

Is there anything going on?

Run that, Foxy.

I don't have any animosity toward the organization.

Obviously, I wish that, you know, things have been better in our last year there, but,

you know, I have a great relationship with a lot of people still in that organization.

This is not a revenge game for me.

I'm just excited to see some of those guys and be on Sunday night football again.

Have your feelings toward the organization evolved the longer you've been away from them, that not feeling animosity?

Is that something you kind of had to work to feel?

Work to get to this point?

We're always working on ourselves and trying to be better than we were the previous day, previous month, previous year.

The best of me.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe.

You know, I have a lot of great memories from my time there.

A lot of great interactions with fans over the years.

You know, living in Green Bay, living in Suamaco, living in Hobart, going to Chives,

being out and about, seeing people at the Piggly Wiggly when I'm shopping for groceries.

I grew up there.

I spent 18 years there from 21 to...

39, so I'm thankful for my time there.

Obviously you would have loved to ride off in the sunset after a Super Bowl win, but that's not the way the league goes sometimes.

And,

you know, I knew the writing was on the wall when Jordan was picked.

And as a matter of time, I happened to win MVP the first two years he was with us.

I knew at some point there would be a change, and

if I wanted to play, it'd probably have to be elsewhere.

So I understand the situation.

What do you think, Ton Diggs?

You believe him?

No animosity.

He seems very happy in that clip.

He does seem very happy.

He's in a good spot right now.

But no, why would he have any animosity?

Like, yes, it did.

Time he was was all.

Yeah, and it's been a while.

Like, I think there was potentially some animosity when the decision was made to leave there.

But yeah, at this point, no.

If this game was in Green Bay, it'd be a little different.

Yeah.

Going back to Lambo would be, he mentioned, like, the, you know, a bunch of, you know, landmarks, the Piggly Wiggly.

That's the grocery store that we've been with.

Yeah, we've been to Chai Coach with Big Money.

It was great.

That's Aaron's spot always.

But yeah, I don't know.

What do you say, Tone Diggs?

I do have to say I came on yesterday because it hadn't been announced yet.

The Steelers are wearing their yellow helmets with their throwback, but luckily the Packers are wearing all whites.

They're going to be having white helmets on, so we don't have double yellow helmet game.

So it's color rush for the Packers.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, pretty much.

Color rush for the Packers.

Steelers, old school throwbacks.

Steelers.

Storm warning.

Yeah, second.

Or

second week in row, we have to play a team that's wearing all white.

So that's kind of bullshit, I guess.

I saw Ben.

Ben claims that Aaron's one pick, maybe because of that.

But I saw there's a video.

It wasn't really anywhere near the

painting on the field.

I love Ben standing up for Aaron and for his squad.

I really do.

Yeah, I think, like,

because

there were videos of them talking and meeting on the field during camp and during practices, and I'm sure they've talked about it.

But yeah, I mean, Ben has always respected Aaron.

He's going to stand up for the quarterback in the city.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it might be from one of those bullshit fake accounts that tweet stuff like ML football and J.Perry football.

But allegedly, the Steelers want Rodgers to play in 2026.

Actually, no, I think that was from, and I could be wrong, because I did see it from one of those accounts, but they actually gave credit to someone.

I I think it was Jeremy Fowler,

who is a legitimate reporter.

And by the way that he's played so far, apparently he's leading meetings on Thursday.

He's in front of the room.

They do player-led meetings on Thursday, and Aaron's basically leading the team right now.

Yes, today as we speak.

So everything has gone swimmingly as far as Aaron is concerned this year is like with the team.

I mean, four touchdowns against the Bengals, but he couldn't, you know, Joe Flacco.

Well, he couldn't see.

He couldn't see that one point.

Yeah, of course.

Because they painted the walls, too.

Yeah, that was bull.

Oh, you're right.

A lot of white out there.

I was there.

I can see how you were confused.

I can see that.

It's that kind of bullshit shenanigans that you guys do over in that city.

Kirk was...

I didn't get to ask Kirk.

I texted him before that game last week.

I went to the Bengals Steelers game at Paycor Stadium in Cincinnati.

I didn't get to see Kirk pregame.

My kids got to go out on the field.

I was stuck in a traffic jam in a separate car,

riding my way into the stadium.

So I didn't get to see Kirk on the field.

I can't even see the Bengals players in this.

Jeez, where are they?

Was he wide open?

Oh, no.

Oh, yeah, right behind him.

Oh, see the walls?

Look how white they are.

You can barely see.

They are white.

And

that's kind of bullshit.

Yeah.

I don't know if there's a whole lot to stand on with Ben's argument, but I get it.

It makes sense.

It really does.

And why wouldn't you want Aaron back?

Look how he's moving around.

Look how he feels.

And I mean, it could easily be.

You're the best 70 yards.

I don't think that's an issue.

Yeah, bingo.

Crow hopping into it.

So that when Aaron did that, that was the longest ball thrown in the air in the NFL or that Aaron's thrown?

In the NFL.

In the NFL.

Yeah,

I first thought that's the longest that he's thrown since 2017 when he was playing, but everybody in the league.

Yes.

It's not like he got a huge crow hop.

He's got like one and a half little crow hop into that, and he had a guy kind of right in front of him, too.

Yeah.

We can't see anything there, right?

No, can't see anything.

Ridiculous.

There might be 15 guys in the NFL.

Oh, man.

That has got to be cheating, isn't it?

I mean, this is an absolute huck.

It's awesome.

They said, what, 70 air yards?

But if that thing were to have landed, it would have been a couple yards in the NFL.

Yeah, without a doubt.

I mean, yeah, if you're him, you know, because you kind of have to take the Achilles year out completely.

Like, I think he envisioned that as one of the

last one.

And even last year with how bad they were.

It's like, is he

maybe he's not leading after Stafford through five, but like he's top five in the NFL and touchdown passes right now.

Like he clearly can still play.

And

for all intents and purposes, like he's loved being in Pittsburgh so far.

It seems like he loves all of his teammates.

He obviously loves Coach Tomlin.

So yeah, I mean, if he can stay healthy, like, why not?

Basically, play until you feel like, you know, if he goes out there and he feels good, physically, he feels good, and like, mentally, he feels sharp.

But then, like, if he's, you know, just not able to produce, that's one thing.

He's still playing at as high of a level as you could ask.

As long as Broderick Jones doesn't kill him.

Yeah, there's a chance.

Well, I saw Aaron.

He's good.

Aaron loves his passion, loves it.

He gets excited.

He said, I'm 41.

You can't be tackling me from behind.

I love it.

I took Broderick, just punch him in the chest.

Get out there and just let it in front of him.

He don't want to get tackled from behind.

That's the thing.

If you like, hey, hey, bomb, punch him in this chest or the stomach, maybe.

That'll get him very excited, I think.

Or maybe punch him in the elbow or the shoulder.

There's that little, there's a little celebration we're all used to.

Well, who's supposed to win this game, Tone?

The Packers are favored by three at Pittsburgh.

What do you think is going to happen?

I think the Packers are...

The way that the Steelers defense is playing,

I think the Packers are the better football team, but this is one that the Steelers traditionally win so i wouldn't be surprised if they did win in this one yeah and tony knows his steelers that was my big takeaway from last week after after the uh bangles beat the steelers tony basically said the whole day like yeah no this is a game the steelers lose so uh be careful and i wasn't careful i thought the steelers were gonna win yeah and quick pivot the dynamic kickoff situation i want to make sure we touch on this before the hard out so the the kickoff what the nfl is claiming that they have this whole thing figured out right oh man what are they saying with this well and that's kind of what it seems like 79.3% of kickoffs have been returned.

Which is what we wanted.

We want stuff returned.

We want it in play.

We want to make it a football play.

Yes.

You just didn't want it to be a kick through the end zone.

And the fact that now it's, you know, damn near 80% of kickoffs are being returned.

That's incredible.

Highest rate since 2006.

32 returns of at least 40 yards.

And that's something that's really changed the game.

Like, we've seen situations now where the kickoff has won and lost games, both not being able to get the ball through the back of the end zone and guys being being able to return it to the 40.

And it's a couple plays and all of a sudden you're in field goal range.

So it is, you know, it does seem as though the dynamic kickoff after a couple years here is the answer.

Now, the other thing they're working on is the on-site kick thing.

I think it was, you know, one of 20 or one of 120 kick on-site kicks have actually been recovered.

So now at the owners' meetings, they're kind of, you know, playing with, again, the fourth and 15 proposal about doing that as a play instead of the on-site kick.

That one's just kind of up in the air.

Who knows what happens there?

But from the kickoff perspective, I'm kind of used to it now where it doesn't really look that weird to you.

You know exactly what you're getting.

It still looks kind of weird.

Are you on the hands team?

Yeah.

Like,

I mean, I guess it's because of injuries and stuff like that.

Like, why can't we just go back to the old on-site team?

We can definitely do the on-side because

they don't like the running collisions.

We have, we've got 30, 40 yards gaining ground, and then bam, those collisions.

That's what I feel like they were taking.

That's what's dangerous.

Those are are the scariest hits.

With the onside, what do you have?

10 yards they're running.

I was always the front line, so my job was to block the dude.

Yeah, I'm going to block it.

And guess what?

Jordy Nelson's standing behind me.

Hopefully, I know he's going to get it.

So I'm going to go block this dude, but we only have maybe 10 yards between us.

That's doable.

We don't want 40, 50 yards guys sailor diving and knocking themselves out in the wedge.

That's what they wanted to get rid of.

That's, I just don't understand why we can't go back to that and why teams have to declare it before they can't.

Like, it just dumb, I think.

That's one of the most electric plays in a game, and it's completely been eliminated.

Like you, you never,

or if like you're a team that is down by a couple scores, like

you are never thinking like, oh, there's a chance we're going to recover an on-side kick.

Like you're not.

You're not going to get it.

Hey, before we're hard out, I want to see, I believe we have a graphic with Coach Mike McCarthy's pick for

somewhere.

And I believe Pat's pick, because I'm going to make a pick for the game tonight.

We just got done talking to Kirk Herbstreet.

I'm not sure.

Man, when Big Mike talks about these games, I know he doesn't, any division rivalries,

he's tough, but where's Mike going?

Here we go.

This is the first time we're seeing this.

He's got Vikings plus three and a half.

Vikings with the points, I believe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I have a little blurb from him here.

He said,

if the Chargers go out there to Vikings corners like the Eagles did, that could be an issue.

Okay.

Whoever runs the ball the best and the most will win.

The obvious factor is obviously going to be the

turnover ratio battle.

That's going to factor in the game.

Like you mentioned, AJ, it's not a division game, but that's still too many points.

That's why he likes the Vikings.

Vikings at what?

What is that again?

Three and a half.

Three and a half.

They're getting three and a half.

Yeah.

You know what, Coach Mike?

I'm going to take the Vikings as well.

I will lie with you.

I don't know what Pat picked yet.

You guys know that.

I'm not sure.

Do we?

Oh,

okay.

Believe me, I had no clue.

I will say this, Pat.

You're welcome.

You can get Chargers minus three.

You have minus three.

That's a big deal.

That is a big deal.

All right.

So, myself, Coach Mike McCarthy, we are on the Vikings.

Pat is on the Chargers.

Minus three, yeah.

Minus three, okay.

I mean, that forward all the time.

Let's do it, Carsball.

Let's do it, Carson Wentz.

Yeah,

I love it, man.

I can't wait to bet on Carson Wentz to throw for 400 yards.

Probably not the time to say that, but I can't wait for it to have.

It had been the Dogs as well.

They had won, I think, seven of eight until Thursday night football last week and when the Bengals continued that.

Sunday night football and then both games on Monday night, the favorites one.

I mean, I understand these trends.

I understand all of that when it comes to gaming, but in the moment, in the night, when they're out there playing, it has nothing to do with any of it.

Yeah, nothing, nothing.

But if you're strictly just going, what, analytics, checking out the business?

Well, you gotta talk.

You gotta let people have all the information.

Let them decide.

You're a fool not to look at the information.

You should look at it, right?

How hard do you look at it?

If you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it, AJ.

Who said that?

I believe that was Albert Einstein.

Was it really?

Or Thomas Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson.

Yeah, well, you never know.

We don't know.

We're up against the hard out.

We're not sure who said anything at any point in the history of this great, beautiful country.

But we will be here tomorrow.

We appreciate you guys watching.

See you tomorrow.

Dude.

Well done.

I should have said digital, all that stuff.

I missed all of that.

But, you know, we're talking ball.

Hey, and also, when you do miss all that, that's why Nick posts a cool bottom thing up because it says it all in there.

Thank you, Nick.

Just in case.

Thank you, Nick.

Always looking out for me.

Appreciate you, boys.

It was George Centenana originally.

1905, and then Winston Churchill made it a little more famous.

There's no option.

it.

I mean, those presidents had speechwriters way back in the day.

No, no.

Going back to

the first president,

FDR never did.

You think George Washington, you fucking president.

You don't know shit about George Washington.

You think they had enough ink to be writing with their quills to be.

I don't know.

I'm just checking.

It's in real time.

That's straight question.

Top of the dome.

Yeah, actually, funny enough, there is a sweet new George Washington show coming out on HCL.

It's like a whole entire

show about George Washington's life.

Does it start with the tree?

The trees in it.

The trees in it.

The cherry tree is there.

I think.

But it is him basically as a teenager becoming.

What was he like as a teenager?

Dog.

Fucking little headshots.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What kind of question is that?

I would like to know.

I only know George Washington the president.

I want to know George Washington the kids.

It's a series then, dickhead.

When's it coming out?

I'm just here.

I don't know.

It comes out soon.

I'm assuming President State.

Hopefully he's not too boring, too.

We got a

George Roberts Walter.

Oh, good lord.

I didn't say anything about it.

I mean, okay, I think we have something about these speechwriters.

Who else do you want to question today?

Gondi?

Judson Welliver is generally credited as his first presidential speechwriter, serving as a literary clerk for president.

Okay, Warren G.

Harding.

Okay,

21.

World War I.

First person hired specifically for this role, the beginning of modern presidential speechwriting.

So that's a big deal now, right?

Yeah, and if I remember correctly, Warren G.

Harding was a big fucking fatso, so that would make sense that he was lazy and he needed someone else to write a speech for him.

Yeah.

Okay.

That checks a lot of boxes.

Have you seen the king's speech?

I have not.

No, the movie from back in the day that won all those awards?

Yeah, bingo.

Very cool.

It is actually good.

Yeah, very, very good, especially because

it's a topic that is boring, writing speeches for a king or whatever.

But the entire story, because he was a king with a speech impediment, and so it wasn't just a speech.

Who played the king in that?

Colin Firth.

There it is.

I think I remember seeing a trailer when he's like doing burpees or push-ups or something.

Yes, exactly.

Isn't that real?

Yeah, yeah.

Everything they do in the movie is what the king actually did to beat his stammer.

Because obviously, very important, you know, the king talking, and this is in England, royal family's complete push.

This is a true story?

Yeah, it's a true story.

The king, you know, he had a stutter.

His older brother decided not to be the king, so he had to be the king.

And back then, really just radio.

So the only thing people really heard from you was what you were saying and because he had a stutter people made fun of him and all that shit um and then this the king speech the entire movie is just about you know kings be speech writing rather for kings and just him himself it's a very unique situation because he had a stutter but him himself like working out his stutter in order to deliver his first speech as king So he beat it.

Yeah, it is a very, very, yeah, it's a very good movie.

If you're telling me that's a good movie, because in the moment, I remember watching, thinking, I see a lot of these other movies I've actually watched that should win these awards, but that one won a lot of awards.

And that one, I would say, like, deserved just because it was uniquely and good.

Yeah, Oscar Bate, for sure.

You probably wouldn't be able to mentally comprehend it, so I don't know if you would enjoy it very much.

I struggle with accents.

You know that.

I know, I know.

No, it's good.

It's good, though.

I don't know.

Something to think about.

But again, I mean, tonight it's fucking Vikings Chargers.

I cares about movies.

Maybe on on your way home when you drive home, watch them.

Yeah, maybe when you drive home, it'll keep me awake.

You think it will?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Boy, we're kind of in the danger zone now with you, Hans.

You're driving away from the sun, though, so you should be all right, though.

Right?

You know what?

Driving right into that.

I realize it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter where the sun is.

If your body's shutting down and Tony didn't take a nap, you'd say, hey, pull off into that gas station at the side of the road.

You might need to sleep for 12 minutes.

How often do you do that?

Depends how much I'm driving, but now I'm not.

Now I used to fight through.

I used to power through.

I would just, I got this.

Yeah, of course.

Let's open it up.

Drive onto the shoulder a little bit.

Hit the rumble strips a few times.

Yeah, yeah.

My stupid car now, I like my older car.

I didn't even have GPS system.

My truck now

says multiple times, flashes warnings that you need to get coffee.

It says you need a coffee break.

I got to press OK to say shut up.

And it'll say like, stop swerving.

Bruce, I see, is shaking his head.

Does he have a car that has this?

I've been in one where that does that.

I'm trying to turn these alerts off, bud.

Like, even if I'm dead asleep, that's not waking me up.

That's fair.

I haven't gotten to the point.

I used to also just be like, oh, fuck it.

Let's power through.

Like, me and Zito.

Stop safe.

Yeah, me and Zitos drove back from Tampa in a U-Haul, and we drove it straight through.

And it was, honestly, it was easy.

Now, if I'm going anywhere that is over four hours away, I make sure I stop two and a half hours in just to reset.

Like, okay, we're halfway through.

That's smart of you.

Yeah,

let's get a water.

Let's get some peanuts.

You know what?

Fuck it.

Let's get Trail Mix.

Sure.

You know,

Chex Mix even.

Boom.

Oh, I damn it.

Checks mix at like the sheets or, you know, local truck stop.

That's not bad.

I'm going to keep you.

If you're lucky enough to see a Bucky's.

We don't have Buckeyes in Ohio, though.

No.

I don't think.

You got Bucky's here?

No, no.

You got to go south.

I believe Kentucky's the first one.

Yeah.

Is it?

Foxy, you like Bucky's back there?

I saw his eyes light up.

No, I've never been to Bucky's before.

It's not a northern thing.

No.

Northeast, even.

It's basically a gas station the size of a Super super walmart yes is that what you think so nails it i get it everyone likes these things uh in my head it's still a gas station it can't be that great but it's kind of great i know everyone's gonna hate me for saying that yeah what do you mean everyone what's your version of that case the gas station in michigan like is it wawa is it sheets it's not

those either marathon yeah i mean that doesn't count that's why he doesn't get it to foxy's point uh and maybe this is kind of the two sides of the coin here i guess since i didn't have it i think it's so cool yeah he didn't have it he thinks it's stupid do we have anyone here that grew up with a Buckeys close to their house?

Because maybe are they sick of it?

No, but the world's biggest truck stop is in Iowa right before you leave.

What's it called?

It's called the World's Biggest Truck Stop.

Yes, yeah, you look it up, it's pretty sweet.

What goes on there?

Well, I'm not a trucker, so I'm usually getting off there to take a massive shite.

A lot of stuff goes on there, but

I think you could probably assume a fair amount of lot lizards.

Are they still a thing?

They still doing it?

I think so.

I mean, again, I'm not a trucker, so I don't know.

But, you know, it's pretty cool.

You can get a nice warm shower there if you'd like.

You know?

I've always thought about that.

Put my name in to get on the list and get a shower at

all.

Different ones.

Yeah, I stopped with love.

Loves a solid one.

I find myself when I drive from here and back to Columbus, I stop at the same.

I always think I'm going to new gas stations.

Same one, everybody.

Always going to the same ones.

Like, I know these people.

You should, though.

That's the smart.

I buy little trinkets.

They got like little lighters that are pistols.

I got lasers.

I get them.

Oh, my kids will love this.

And I buy it for myself and forget to give it to them.

Yeah,

that's classy.

That's the shit that happens at gas station.

I mean, why do you think I had 200 pairs of sunglasses?

Still have 200 pairs.

Why do you think I got there?

Because I would go into a gas station that I knew had good ones.

I was like, I'm coming here every single time to get this cool shit.

Well, it's smart.

Yeah, I love it.

You find something that's good, you hold a lot of that shit.

I got a fly gun that uses CO2 now.

I suggest you get it.

It's a six-shooter.

Really?

Yeah.

So, like, I had the pump.

You know, I got the big pump shotgun.

Everybody's got that.

Six shooter?

Yeah, so I got this.

Now it's like it comes with a little, you guys used to buy, you guys are

cap guns for you.

Oh, yes.

It's like the cap gun you pop in there.

I'd say the barrel is that long on this thing.

It's a pistol, handgun, revolver, and then you pop the CO2 right in the little, in the butt of it, and those flies don't have a chance.

I'm knocking on the gun.

It's a real...

I just want to knock them unconscious, dead?

They go past,

we don't worry about being unconscious.

We just explode them right away.

Oh, it's beautiful.

I think this thing has like

I See something they popped up my the barrel was a little bigger than the one I had than than that one might okay extend that barrel about five inches and that's the one I have okay CO2 goes right into that where your palm is right in the butt of that and I realized I have I bet I have 85 extra CO2 canisters because I was worried that I was going to run out because I was like, you know, I had BB guns going out.

I don't know if you're doing that too much.

I still have BB guns.

Like the CO2 runs out too fast.

So Jack Carr, you know, you got to be prepared.

Yeah.

Especially when it gets warm and there's flies all over your house.

Like, sometimes I'll get five, six within like three or four minutes.

Yeah, you should carry binos around.

Why do you have so many flies?

You just poop it on your flat.

When you kid, you're leaving the goddamn back door open.

Yeah, dumpster.

I got a dumpster for a while, too.

That's a big thing.

When it's hot, it's June, July.

Those flies want to come in.

They're going to breed.

What garbage do you have at your house?

Well, you know.

Why do you need a dumpster?

I mean, because when you get it, if you get a dumpster for a week, you're going to want it for life.

I'm just going to let you know.

It's that awesome.

100% agree with you.

And my buddy owns a dumpster company, so I get, you know, so I got one put out.

Hey, Bill is tough.

Bill has a dumpster, too.

Does he?

Bill back here?

Yep.

Is Bill still working out in his office back there?

I know he built a whole piece of machinery,

dip, pull-up situation.

Is that still back there?

It's still back there.

He doesn't use it, though.

He's in the hawk house usually.

Yeah, but Bill has been, I mean, you've seen Bill.

He's fucking jacked right now.

I've watched Bill run.

Bill is very light on his feet, very springy.

Yeah, big motor.

He actual for shoot track record at his high school.

I heard that in high school.

Around here?

Yeah.

Down south, I think.

I don't fucking know where this shit is.

I don't know where

in Indiana?

Yeah, in Indiana, yeah.

How's the U-ball going?

Is Pat still the champ?

Him and Evie?

Yeah, him and Evan won, I believe, 11 straight.

Yeah, Pat and Fox

had their way with it.

How did AQ do?

Not good.

Yeah, AQ is not very good at U-ball.

Who was his partner?

Me, Tony.

We sucked.

Did you guys both suck together or did one of you suck worse than the other?

It wasn't even about that yesterday.

It was just more about how good Foxy and Pal were.

I mean, there was times.

Are they just draining shots?

Are they reading the rebounds wrong?

All of it.

A little bit of both.

But if you're playing to 11,

the games could go by pretty quick.

Some of them do.

Some of them don't.

It just depends.

Airball gives you minus one.

Airball meaning it doesn't hit the rim, or what if it just hits a backboard?

Backboard's good.

No, nothing.

If it hits nothing, it's an airball.

Are there a lot of airballs?

Yeah.

Tend to be.

Yeah, I guess you're shooting that tiny ball.

I shot a few of them.

It felt like I was shooting a golf ball.

Yeah, it's much harder.

Because you could definitely play to, like, you could just wail it off the backboard, but you're never going to get enough points to, you know,

stay in success.

Yeah, I need to be shooting a major.

I'm trying to make sure to come into play.

There is a chance, and granted, it still has to be approved by the committee, but there is a chance that we have new U-balls, actually.

Zeke ordered a couple very nice,

very

plump,

new mini basketballs for the U-ball.

We'll see how it works, kind of a trial run.

What do you mean plump?

Then just very, very very filled up, very grippy.

PSI in there.

Bingo, there it is.

PSI, plump, plump balls, plump space initial balls.

Because right now, one of them's inflated, one of them's deflated.

It changes the combination aspect of the game.

Yeah, it's kind of a circus game, which we enjoy.

Yeah,

needle and pump.

Well, no, that's what we mean.

The committee has to kind of deliberate as far as do we even want to have two balls that are the same?

Do we like the

two different balls in the game?

Does anybody want to do that?

It's just something we kind of have to trial and error here but

pat and foxy are you guys are on fire we were on absolute fire yesterday so you beat aq and tone like what's the score yeah we beat a ton of we don't need to tell we beat d-butt and de-buck nobody's getting skunked right no nobody's ever been skunked hold on hold on let nobody

kind of go into the debone de butt to buckle their face yet i know debone never jumps when he tips it well Yeah, New York's starting to make that a point of emphasis.

Hey, you can't catch the ball and then jump.

You have to jump, catch the ball, put it in.

But yeah, we just had a really good day yesterday, and then Bone said I'm so competitive and got really upset about it all and then drank a Red Bull at 6 p.m.

and ran out of it.

He did it.

He sour grapes.

He was sour grapes.

Wait, did he did he say the words?

I'm so competitive?

Basically.

He said, I haven't been in like a competitive setting in a long time.

So I said, oh,

I bet I would win if I played with a professional athlete as he's playing with Darius Polly.

It was crazy.

With the professional athlete.

D-Buck could play in the NBA right now, bro.

He's got his head off the top of the backboard multiple times.

The best basketball player, just all around by a mile, can jump out as a champion.

He's D-Bone's partner.

But yeah, team bone and butts.

I thought they were dominant for a while.

Where is D-Boner?

He's out there making graphics.

He's not right now.

He's great.

He's swamping

dust.

Oh, because he's so competitive.

He's too competitive?

Oh, my gosh.

You know how it goes?

He's probably got his arms.

I guess competitive people, that's what they do, man.

Michael Jordan.

We saw Michael Jordan, right?

He drained the free throw with that clip.

Oh, yeah.

Did that come out before that, Foxy?

I don't know if they have that, but Michael Jordan told the whole story to Mike Torico on NBC at halftime, which is that what it's going to be for the rest?

I don't know.

I'm hoping not.

I still have faith that there's a chance they do a studio show and then he goes to the studio once or twice.

I would guess that there's a chance it's going to be like Jeets when he was first on with baseball where it was basically like, yeah, I'm not doing any of the regular season fucking bullshit, but when the World Series gets around, like, sure, I'll come out and be on the desk with you guys.

Is that the only time Jeets is on the desk, really?

I think he's done it a little bit more, but like when he first got hired, yeah, it was like, like, hey, I'll be there for the big moments.

And credit to Michael Jordan for actually doing this.

So he got an Airbnb, and then the guy, I don't know if it was contingent when he booked the Airbnb.

He sounded like no.

You bring your whole family out and everybody, which is very, very nice of Michael Jordan to do.

He doesn't have to do that.

But not only did he meet him, take pictures, he comes out here and drained a free throw.

And guess what?

It was nothing but net.

He was not lying to Tarico.

Yeah, it was a pure swish.

He actually tells kind of sweet information about the free throw, too.

Did he?

Like, he explained the reasoning the NBA NBA moved the blocks out wider was because Wilt Chamberlain was like too big.

He scored 100.

And basically, and then they also, he also explained why there's a little,

yeah, I think we're rewinding to it, but he kind of, it's tough to hear, so hopefully you can.

We'll see.

Jacob, Jacob.

How's it going?

They can't.

But you know where that line came from?

The line used to be in.

Moved it out.

How?

What?

Look at you.

Yeah, you know.

Lucas, we're back right here.

Center circle?

Put that.

You remember the center circle?

They didn't have it.

Will Chamberlain used to take a drive, take off, and lift.

That was the street.

So now you can't start the shot outside the center circle, and you can't break this line and kill it.

Yeah.

That's a Will Chamber.

Had no idea about that.

Please make it.

Say, please make it?

Yeah.

So cool.

That was Press it, man.

That's pretty sweet.

I mean, it is pressure.

Yeah, those little kids wearing Jordan jerseys, they never watched him play, obviously.

You guys probably even watched him play.

Never.

I never saw him.

They definitely did.

NBC stuff with that was whole, they were smart, tight.

Yeah.

Pulling at the old nostalgia situation 896, and that was about like my

first sports memory is the

Jim Harbaugh Hail Mary against the against the Steelers in 1995.

So, yeah, I would have been watching MJ at that time.

I was watching him.

Ty, you were watching Jordan Jordan basketball without a doubt.

Sunday afternoons.

Yeah.

Like every Sunday.

That's what I said the day after.

I was like, I had like the most intense deja vuve, like sitting on my couch, like being seven years old watching the Bulls play.

Like it was insane.

Yeah, and they asked the players who were playing on NBC, like,

what do you remember from NBC basketball?

And they're like, nothing.

I wasn't born.

You saw that.

Nothing at all.

They're like, I didn't know they played basketball.

And then someone just said, like, oh, Michael Jordan.

And then they cut to the Jordan thing, man.

The NBC thing was great.

And it also has definitely raised the ESPN game, too.

The Chuck and Shaq.

Last night they said this is the, didn't, who said that?

Shaq said this is the real opening night?

Yeah.

Last night, Shaq, I believe said that when we were doing it.

That was great.

Like that being on ESPN, the NBC.

The Prime pre-game, like all, all of the, all of the deaths are really, really cool.

Yeah.

See, I didn't see much of the Prime stuff.

Was the Prime stuff?

I have had a game.

I was wondering, like, it wouldn't run at at the same time.

I think it's tomorrow.

How do we know which games are where?

So, yeah, that's the thing you kind of really have to look at.

It feels as though Monday night is going to be NBC, or Tuesday, whatever.

Sorry, Tuesday.

Tuesday is NBC.

Yeah, here we go.

So Sunday is NBC.

Monday's Peacock.

Tuesday, NBC Peacock.

Yeah, then Wednesday, ESPN.

Tonight is ESPN, though.

The two games tonight, the Thunder Pacers and Nuggets Warriors.

But it looks like Prime's going to normally be Thursday, probably after football.

Yeah, I was going to say,

okay, that was.

Yeah, and then Friday, Prime.

Like, I assume tomorrow and Saturday are the first two Prime pregame shows, but

do not take that as fact.

I'm just guessing looking at shows.

I know they played that with Chuck, who they broadcast for.

Which person

broadcast for which day?

It was pretty good.

I don't know.

I have genuine questions who they all work for.

Me too.

Like, he was so confused because he's like, they popped up Allie the Force, who was the sideline person for all of TNT games last year and before.

And he's like, Allie,

she was with us last year, right?

And then he guessed.

So he just assumed that she went over to ESPN.

But no, she's still with TNT doing like just other sports.

And TNT doesn't have basketball, right?

No.

No, not anymore.

But

they have college football and they have.

They still have baseball.

No.

Well, CBS does.

They might have some March Madness maybe.

They do.

Oh, they do.

Sure, they definitely do.

And the ESPN sold some of the rights to the college football playoffs to Tony's playoff.

Everything is everywhere now.

It's crazy.

It's all over the place.

Tough for old people like me, I guess, to figure out where it is.

I just got to ask young people.

Yeah, we'll.

Thank you.

Please do.

How old are you now, Conman?

I'm 30.

Are you 30?

Yeah, I'm 30 years old.

You look great.

Beal, how old is Beal over here?

29?

29.

You guys are all very young.

You guys look good, though.

Bone and Mitt.

The majority of the office is 30, at least, no?

Yeah.

I think Bone and Mitt are the only two under 30.

Okay.

Besides Beau.

And Beal.

Well, yeah, but Bill is the 40s.

Bill's at Mitt.

That's exactly.

That is a good big point.

And you guys ever do that?

You're real, like

you spit into a cup or something, or Tony, you probably threw him some semen, and they tell you your actual age?

Yeah, my real age.

I'm about three.

My body's three years older than I should be.

Okay.

Oh, so yours went the wrong way.

Yep.

I think like Kim Kardashian was talking about it.

Oh, I'm

41, but it says she's 27.

I want to get back to my actual age.

How do you do that?

You work out, eat healthy, get sleep, drink water.

all that stuff.

But if you do all that and it says you're 55.

Well that won't happen.

That's not how science works.

And plus, if that happens, that means, holy fuck, at 55, I'm going to be an ox.

It's true.

With that being said, I think we're going to wrap this one up.

But you're right, comment.

I look forward to you.

I hope I am around this earth when you are 55.

We will be.

I will watch you just

cracking skulls everywhere you go.

Thanks, man.

I hope I'm not just cracking skulls.

I hope I'm just kind of hanging out, like fishing and stuff.

But if we're cracking skulls, that'd be cool too.

Okay, good.

Well, you know what, boys?

I appreciate you guys.

I will see you again tomorrow, actually.

Yes, you will.

I'll have a very safe drive home.

Thank you.

Very safe drive back here in the morning.

I legit.

I'm old enough now where I'm not dumb.

I will never push through falling asleep.

I hope so.

Thank you.

The other thing is, too,

where we are at this point,

the biggest danger is just driving on the highway.

Aside from that,

you're kind of okay.

Be safe because I had a dream about you.

So just be safe.

You did.

Right before we came on air, Tone told me he thought I was going to die in the next week and a half.

Said he had a dream about me dying as soon as three, two, boy.

Here we go.

We're alive on air.

And Tone, oh, yeah, hey, you're going to die in like nine or ten days.

I had a dream back, button.

All right, cool.

I guess we'll just move on for another one.

Flush that one.

But Tone, you know, not all dreams are real.

No, they aren't.

Amen.

Especially mine.

Some dreams.

Just fucking nightmares.

That's true.

Was it a nightmare for you or was it a dream that I was dead?

It was a nightmare.

Okay.

I was a Paul Bear.

How did I dude?

That was sick.

Congrats.

Yes, congrats.

It was sick.

Hopefully, we had your hat on too.

Yeah.

Sweet cowboy hat.

Were you in the front,

or you were in the whole middle?

Right in the middle?

Mangle was was in front of him just sobbing like a baby.

Yeah, Bobby.

Which I understand.

I was too.

Bobby

drinking a beer.

Hit a beer hat.

He would want this.

AJ would want me to have a good time.

You know what, Bob?

I would.

I would want this.

Mr.

Brown, the owner of the Bengals, was one of them.

Kid you matched.

You guys actually.

He was here for seven months.

You guys, you actually catered the meal afterwards from the Browns restaurant or the Bengals restaurant.

Yeah.

That was a beautiful restaurant down there.

Beautiful.

All right, boys.

Thank you guys in the back.

Appreciate you.

Pete Rose.

Yeah.

All right pet he's watching down yeah he's with you charlie hustle charlie hustle took me through baby boys bring it in bring it in here here we go boys we'll have a great one tomorrow i'll be back with some great things going on pat will be in nashville tomorrow for game day good job today

thank you thank you guys here we go team on me team on three one two three team

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