PMS 2.0 1303 - Andrew Whitworth, Daniel Jeremiah, Supercross Legend Colt Nichols, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our Hum of the Boat, The Thunderdome on this Feel Good Friday, March 7th, 2025. This program starts right

Speaker 1 now.

Speaker 1 Spores! Are awesome. We're lucky that we get to talk about them every single day.
And today will be no different.

Speaker 1 We have a stacked guest lineup from, you know, the football world and then also Dirtbux. Whoa,

Speaker 1 yep, we got Andrew Whitworth joining us in about 13 minutes or so. Obviously, he is very familiar with everything happening in this time of the league year.

Speaker 1 Also, can't wait to catch up with him about his TV gig with Amazon on Thursday nights alongside the entire team.

Speaker 1 And then also a kid that he helped mentor in the Big Brothers, Big Sisters program as he was growing up in the league in Cincinnati. Derek Barnes just signed a massive deal with the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 1 If you do recall, whenever Andrew Whitworth won the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, he gave a speech and a part of his speech was talking about this lad running up to him after a game, acting as if they had known each other forever.

Speaker 1 And Witt had no idea who it was and just so happened to be a kid that he talked to in Cincinnati whenever he was donating his time at the Big Brothers Big Sisters program there and he ended up making the NFL he didn't just make it to the NFL now he's getting paid 25 and a half million dollars congrats to Derek Barnes

Speaker 1 cannot wait to talk to Andrew because obviously everything going on with Trey Hendrickson and everything happening in Cincinnati another meltdown from Bengals fans understanding that they're not going to be able to pay everybody although the Philadelphia Eagles were able to not everybody's going to be able to and certainly not the Bengals with their trajectory Daniel Jeremiah will join join us in a second hour.

Speaker 1 First time talking to him since Combine. Remember, he's the voice of the combine.
He and Rich Eisen are the ones that are kind of delivering the goodness alongside, you know, many celebritas.

Speaker 1 I had a chance to sit down in there.

Speaker 1 David Spade was in there.

Speaker 1 Obviously, they were taking a lot of time trying to do the entertainment because it is a golf event watching guys work out. What is Daniel Jeremiah's big takeaway? We can't wait to chat with him.

Speaker 1 And then, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to dirt. Come on.
Hell yeah. And if it's raining a little bit, we'll go to the mud.
What? Finally.

Speaker 1 Supercross is in Indianapolis this weekend and Colt Nichols. He's the 2021 AMA Supercross 250cc East Champion.
Holy shit. In 2023, he was the 450cc rookie of the year.

Speaker 1 He's won in Indianapolis twice. This guy's got to be the odds-on favorite down at Lucasola Stadium this weekend.
And we'll be chit-chatting with him.

Speaker 1 And did I say absolutely would love to do this without a proper amount of information? Certainly. Is it going to be a great show this weekend in the stadium? Definitely.

Speaker 1 And am I getting on a dirt bike for the first time in my life today? I think so okay ever since i watched that rough riders anthem music video

Speaker 1 they had uh quads atvs wherever you're from whatever you call it dart bikes going through the middle of town

Speaker 1 you know you see those videos it's like oh that looks like good time i've rode heavy box sure uh for about the past 15 years or so both harley and indian motorcycles heavy box you know a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of metal on those things hydraulics you know that thing's dropping down whenever i get out there now a little bit lighter these dirt bikes a little bit less cc but all the bank banner

Speaker 1 banner possibilities yeah and uh i don't know how it's gonna go but i asked them can i ride one of these dirt bikes and they said we'll bring one up for you and i said boom all right so i think there's gonna be uh some content coming from that it's gonna go one way or the other yeah and uh i want to let you know i'm going full bore out there oh yeah okay i'm gonna be wide open on that thing can't wait to talk to colt cannot wait to chit-chat about you know, their sport that is electrifying and travels around town to town and fills up and sells a lot of seats.

Speaker 1 A lot of people enjoy the shit out of it and it's obviously a great show because those boys are flying.

Speaker 1 And those boys are rubbing. Oh, yeah.
And those boys are putting the leg down and

Speaker 1 sweet.

Speaker 1 And they commit their life to this shit. Colt Nichols' first race was when he's four years old.

Speaker 3 Crazy.

Speaker 1 Four years old was the first time getting on a bike, and he's just committed to it ever since.

Speaker 1 And can't wait to catch up with him in the third hour on YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, and TikTok Live. Currently on ESPN News as well, huh? Okay.

Speaker 1 The Toxic Table is here at Ty Schmidt and at Boston Connor. Sweet helmet, brother.
What's going on here?

Speaker 2 Thank you very much. Yeah, look, I mean, this is your typical lake trout.

Speaker 2 You know, I actually caught this thing, took it to a taxidermist, said, Let me get this thing on a hat, you know, make it look like it's still swimming. Kind of

Speaker 2 get the tail in there with the head still going.

Speaker 1 Take me into the river. Yeah, that's what it looks like, right? Exactly.

Speaker 2 Kind of one of those. You want to frame a fish like this.
And I said, you know what? No better place to frame it than right on the top of my head. So it's one of these nice little things that I have.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it's Feel Good Friday. Why not make it a Feel Good Fish Hat Friday?

Speaker 1 I don't know if anybody's ever mounted a fish on their forehead. Let's go to Tai Schmidt, Big Ten angler, at one point.
He said he caught that thing. What do you think he was doing?

Speaker 1 Was he doing any tricks and he slips and he sleeps? What do you think he was doing to pull this trout out of the lake?

Speaker 2 I doubted it.

Speaker 4 I mean, he says, Lake, I'm thinking this could have been a stock pond somewhere.

Speaker 2 Whoa, really?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, you know, fantastically. No, because we're not exactly i mean this isn't you know for the for the layman this isn't primetime fishing season yet still really cold you know you're only

Speaker 2 you're only you're only seeing the diehard anglers out there what kind of bait do you use to get that thing uh you know a fish hook uh

Speaker 1 yeah that yeah yeah that's there a fish hook on top of another fish hook okay

Speaker 1 he actually quadrupled he was just dragging it around water

Speaker 2 and he actually he it was like a net almost of hooks that he got that particular some hot dogs you know little man a little bit a little hot dog but spit in the water you know people people don't know you spit in that water here during the trap you know so what hole did you find out you knew the spots on the lake yeah you know you do some research you know fishhole.com uh

Speaker 1 make sure you spell that right folks don't go spell that right at home yeah yeah they don't want to spell that wrong but that's you know something their fishermen do is as soon as they find a hole they do what they want to report it for everybody else to know yeah big oh it's it's deep dark web another thing you want to spell correctly when you get on the internet but do you want to buy fishhole.com i think you could right now we just search it is is available on GoDaddy if you would like to purchase it.

Speaker 1 That's because you spelled it wrong. It may be for sale, fishhold.com.

Speaker 2 That's because you spelled it wrong, and I'm not going to say how to spell it because if I did, then all of a sudden I'm giving out all my best fish holes.

Speaker 1 There's an RT in there, yeah. Okay, so nonetheless, the fish looks absolutely very normal.
Thank you. And then you got an octopus down there as well.
Yeah, yeah, that just kind of came together.

Speaker 2 You know, the shirts are typically.

Speaker 1 You're a real aquaman today, huh?

Speaker 2 Well, to be honest, the octopus shirt, that just came together. Holy shit, I'm wearing an octopus shirt, and I grabbed a fish hat because closet, you know, I didn't turn the lights on this morning.

Speaker 2 I just grabbed a shirt and let's, let's hit the road, you know, let's get in there.

Speaker 1 Now, Lake, obviously, is where you pulled that trout of, and I could respect the work that you have to do to get that. They probably good fight from that

Speaker 1 trout right there. It was tough.

Speaker 2 It wasn't just this trout.

Speaker 1 That's an alien, though, in your chest.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 The more we learn about these things,

Speaker 1 the more documentaries and things, that feels like that is not from here, you know, and

Speaker 1 that might be one of the most sophisticated things that we have, beings that we have. They can go invisible.
They can change. I even saw one put eyes out there.
I mean, it is

Speaker 1 one became friends with it. Yeah, morph, they go flat, they turn into, they're shapeshifters.
Yep.

Speaker 1 That's an interesting creature, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, not as interesting as the man in my octopus teacher, to your point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was, he was trying to bone that off.

Speaker 1 He felt like he caught some real feelings. But finding out that an octopus could be sentient was another, a completely added, that was a whole other element of these things.

Speaker 1 We should be taking care of those.

Speaker 1 I think those things,

Speaker 1 I think they have some powers. I'll try to get one in a can.
Oh,

Speaker 1 they're smart enough.

Speaker 4 Get out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What if I get a massive tank and give it the best life it's ever? Let's just say,

Speaker 1 I don't even want to ask how expensive it is, but let's just say I get a massive tank, the biggest tank possible. Can I get an octopus in there? What are the chances you get an octopus?

Speaker 1 Because these things are sweet. And they say, yeah, the octopus will just figure out how to fucking open it.
It'll watch you and then it'll figure out how to open it and get out. It'll be a

Speaker 1 uh con containable uh species is how they sold it to me. What's that?

Speaker 3 I mean, you could always make the roof electric.

Speaker 1 Good luck. Yeah, but it is also.

Speaker 1 I mean, you don't want to kill the thing.

Speaker 3 Well, if you want to teach it a lesson, show it's friends.

Speaker 1 I want to take care of this thing. Nonetheless, I don't think you should harbor octopi.
No. Is what I've been told.
But if.

Speaker 2 Tell that to the people in Detroit who are clubbing them over the head and killing them and tossing them on the ice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, they need to stop doing it.
Yeah, believe me, they haven't done it in a while.

Speaker 5 No, they need to start doing it so we can win some damn games here.

Speaker 1 No, you need to take care of those octopi. Every time I've seen these aliens just get

Speaker 1 through the air and then boom on some hard ice, it's like, does that make your hockey team? People throw hats out there to celebrate a hat-trick. I get that.
People throw other things out there.

Speaker 1 You guys are throwing aliens out onto the ice.

Speaker 5 Greatest tradition in hockey.

Speaker 2 That's not true.

Speaker 1 Greatest tradition in hockey?

Speaker 1 What about the handshake line after a playoff?

Speaker 1 Playoff beards? Yeah, well. I don't like that.

Speaker 2 Playoff beards, though, yeah.

Speaker 1 Minutes. It's like

Speaker 1 a hair. Handshakes, man.
What are you talking about? It's only one time.

Speaker 2 Yep. Don't need it.

Speaker 1 Other sports do it on a very regular basis. Hockey's like, in the end, we will shake their hands.

Speaker 1 And that's like the tradition, isn't it? Yeah, I guess. I don't like it.
But that's just me. Playoff beard's great.
Minnesota High School Hockey Flow. Oh, man.
That's a good hockey tradition.

Speaker 2 State of hockey. There was a massive game last night.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh in Minnesota. Yeah, oh, yeah.
And in Pittsburgh, you know, they win. That's what the hockey team does.
Wow. That's what they do.

Speaker 2 That's what they did.

Speaker 1 One half of the hammer. Died.
Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Tone. Wait a minute.
Wait. What's going on with the cowboy hat, brother?

Speaker 3 It's Friday, and so it felt good.

Speaker 1 It felt right.

Speaker 3 And like I said, I reserve the right to put this hat back on whenever I want.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the first couple of days didn't go as well as you wanted to?

Speaker 3 No, I thought they went swimmingly.

Speaker 3 Shout out, Connor.

Speaker 1 Not like this.

Speaker 1 It was going swimmingly until it all ended quick with a hook on top of a hook on top of a tone. A couple hot times.
A couple of hot times. A couple of hot dogs.
Yeah. But no, I felt like

Speaker 3 everyone going into the weekend should cowboy up a bit, and I needed that in my life.

Speaker 1 So you're feel-good cowboy. I can respect that.
Boys in the back great work this week thus far. Let's have a good show today.
Yeah, boys. Let's have a good show today.

Speaker 1 Okay, big news coming around the NFL. Jordan Allen has been, Jonathan Allen, sorry, has been released from the Washington Commanders.
Obviously, captain for that team.

Speaker 1 They're in the middle of a fast rebuild with new ownership, new leadership, new everything, including a new quarterback. in Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 1 Jonathan Allen now, which we thought was going to be one of the pillars of this team for a long, long time, is now available after being released from the Commanders.

Speaker 1 He is just the latest in a lot of dudes around the NFL that have been released this week.

Speaker 1 And it'll continue all the way up through Monday and even until next Wednesday as teams try to figure this out before free agency starts.

Speaker 1 And ladies and gentlemen, we don't want to do this, but it does feel like we are directly in the center of

Speaker 1 Massacre Week. AP Tone, Jonathan Allen's the most recent one.
Who are some other guys that have been released this week that maybe we forgot about or should definitely know about?

Speaker 3 Yeah, we thought Massacre Week may be a little more quiet this year because of the salary cap going up.

Speaker 3 But no, it's been an eventful Massacre week. I got a list of guys, you know, just some of the notables that have been, you know, part of this Massacre Week.

Speaker 3 Raekwon Davis, George Fant, Roy Robertson Harris, Devontae Adams.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 3 You know, then you got, you know, Rayshawn Jenkins, Devin Dubert, Joey Bosa.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 3 Jamal Williams, Javon Hargrave, those are Evan Ingram.

Speaker 1 Oh

Speaker 1 no!

Speaker 3 We can't forget Draymond Jones, Darius Slacer Bull champion.

Speaker 2 Oh

Speaker 2 no!

Speaker 3 Same team, James Bradbury. You got Gardner Minch is out there.

Speaker 1 Tyler Lockett.

Speaker 3 So yeah, those are just some of the few to mention.

Speaker 1 It's been an eventful massacre week. And we say oh no because this isn't just a player getting fired.
This is a dream potentially ending. This is a family having to get up and move.

Speaker 1 This is somebody giving their all to an organization and then being told we don't want you back next year. These are tough times.
Now, it is the business, okay? This is the NFL. This is how it goes.

Speaker 1 And I think I forget who was on the show earlier this week to talk about the amount of turnover in a locker room, regardless, let alone if it's a big turnover year, it's at least 30 to 40% every single year.

Speaker 1 Your roster is going to be different because, you know, the pillars that we know about, the big time names that Tone stopped on there are going to be be there year to year and obviously the team is going to try to build around their brands their images they're going to be the ones that are associated with the team but this is 53 dudes and it is changing on a very regular basis especially at the bottom half let alone what practice squad is now because they were able to open it up to more people and older folks as well so when you talk about people getting cut very normal in the NFL Sucks.

Speaker 1 It's part of the business. A lot of these guys, for the first time in their lives, they've been told they're not good enough to make a football team.

Speaker 1 That is obviously a mental thing that can weigh on some guys, but also it's maybe an opportunity to start anew. Maybe

Speaker 1 go

Speaker 1 have a fresh first impression in a place. Maybe try to reprove yourself.

Speaker 1 Maybe get into a different system, a little different system, maybe a different building, and have your best football that you've ever had in your entire life.

Speaker 1 I saw Evan Ingram, tight end from Jacksonville, who got released. He said,

Speaker 1 there's no offense to Jacksonville. They just released a dog out into the free agency.
So he's motivated by it, obviously. Jacksonville also made a play by sending Christian Kirk.
Yeah, here he is.

Speaker 1 It's all love, Jacks, but they just love more fucking dogless.

Speaker 1 Sorry for what's next. Hashtag be easy.
Easy Evan Graham tight end for the Jacksonville Jaguars now available. Christian Kirk from the Jacksonville Jaguars was traded yesterday to the Houston Texans.

Speaker 1 Now, it was announced that he was going to be released, and then they do this game where they say, yeah, we're getting rid of him.

Speaker 1 And unless you want to kind of catch and beat free agency, then you're going to have to do your own thing, do your own deal.

Speaker 1 So Christian Kirk out of Jacksonville to Houston, and Evan Ingram out of Jacksonville to the free agent market. And there's a lot lot of big names, a lot of big names that are now available.

Speaker 1 It feels like next week's going to be heating up. Some of these deals have already been completed at the Combine.

Speaker 1 So whenever Monday opens up and it's the, you know, the launch of the tampering period, and then Wednesday is the new year and yada, yada, yada, all that stuff happens.

Speaker 1 There's going to be deals that are already announced. Those things are already done.
Whenever new guys get released, like Jonathan Allen, how much does that change?

Speaker 1 How much does it rattle some things? Would love that D-tackle on my particular squad. Yeah.
Trout Man, Boston Coner.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that'd be awesome. And I feel like because of the D-Tackle kind of like expectation, I think it's Milton Williams from Philadelphia is expecting like an $80 million deal.

Speaker 2 And obviously, we just saw Osa get a massive payday. So you'd assume something like that might affect the Jonathan Allen.
But yeah, he becomes one of the premier players.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 1 Master Week continues. Dig just sent in from Schultzy, Starbucks, Air.

Speaker 1 The Texans have informed starting guard Shaq Mason that he's being released. He started 15 games this past season.
Okay, so Shaq Mason goes into the free agency market. I mean, Master Week's real.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We did think with the way salary cap was going up, we didn't think the Master Week was going to, you know,

Speaker 1 be as heavy, maybe. We didn't think it was going to be as many folks.
But instead, we're finding out more money. Yeah.
And we got different ideas on which way we're going to go.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, Walter Payton Man of the Year. Three-time all-pro, four-time Pro Bowler.
He's obviously a national champion from college.

Speaker 1 He had five years with the Rams, 11 years with the Bengals, was the second rounder out of LSU.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, big handsome from Thursday Night Football on Amazon Prime and the Wit and Fitz podcast.

Speaker 1 Andrew Whitward.

Speaker 6 Appreciate you, baby. Appreciate you.

Speaker 7 How you doing?

Speaker 6 I like your wording there, Wit and Fitz podcast. That's correct.

Speaker 1 Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 Is that what it is?

Speaker 6 It's the Fitz and Wit podcast, but I'm trying to get it changed, Pat. We're in a disagreement.
That's what I'm saying. Every week, I argue with him.
We should flip it.

Speaker 1 Well, see, if it means anything, I can't.

Speaker 6 You're on my team. That's what I like.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Unbeknownst to me, I I am on your squad. To be clear, in my head, there was an eeny-meeny money-mo situation happening while I was talking about you.
Is it Fitz and Wit or is it Wit and Fitz?

Speaker 1 And then in my head, I thought I saw Wit first, but maybe that means I am on your side completely. Yeah, maybe the natural thing is to say the

Speaker 1 non-plural sounding name first and then Fitz second, you know, because of the Z at the end. Fitz and Wit's a good name, though.
Great show. Great show, too.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 You guys have gotten great shit out of there in such a short amount of time. How do you feel? You look amazing.

Speaker 6 I appreciate it, brother. You know, just trying to keep it moving, Pat.
You know, I spend my offseason still training like I think I'm playing, I guess. You know, it makes me feel young at heart.

Speaker 6 I got four little kids to chase around. So, you know, I can't ever let these boys feel like they're hitting that teenage stage.

Speaker 6 They can't feel like they can take pops down. So I got to stay in a dominant position.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to be alpha. You know, if you have a pet orangutan or something,

Speaker 1 be careful. Anytime that thing thinks it is the alpha of the house now, you got a new dynamic.
I don't have any baby boys, but I would assume it is a very similar feeling on your end.

Speaker 1 Can you tell me about these workouts a little bit? We talked off-air. I don't want to air out your laundry.
You can say whatever you want, but these workouts are every day at 6 a.m.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. Me and Sean this year decided this offseason we were going to try to connect in the mornings, get some training in.

Speaker 6 Sean McVay is trying to, you know, I think he's trying to relive his Maymo Ohio days a little bit.

Speaker 6 He still thinks he can get out there and make it happen out there on the field. So we've been training every morning, 6 a.m.

Speaker 6 at a gym I I have here in Westlake Village called the, we actually call it the village. She's just kind of a mixture of the people in my life and my trainer that I trained with while I was playing.

Speaker 6 So we got a lot of guys there. Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua and a lot of those guys train still.
Tyler Higbee, Jordan Wittenson. We got some guys coming in.
So it's fun, man.

Speaker 6 I get to be a part of the locker room a little bit still.

Speaker 6 That feeling you love, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they get a chance to train at a place that isn't the facility. You know, you're there all the time.
all the time, but you get to train with the guys without having to go anywhere else.

Speaker 1 That's an excellent opportunity for all parties involved, especially with the camaraderie building that needs to happen for a team to be great. It happens in the offseason.

Speaker 1 You said Cooper Cup in there. How's that going with everybody? He's cool with everybody because he understands the business?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think, you know, obviously it's nothing in your career, man. Anytime you kind of see a door closed and you feel like something's going to change, I think it gets emotional.

Speaker 6 And, you know, obviously what Cooper's meant to this franchise will never change. He's made all our lives better and brought a freaking Super Bowl championship here and an insane season he had.

Speaker 6 But Cooper's also driven in the passion of who he is every single day.

Speaker 6 So he trains, you know, I watched him yesterday with Puka Nakua and Jordan Whittington and those guys, you know, giving them some insight of route running and some of the things that he, you know, emphasizes when he's doing things.

Speaker 6 It's not just about the football field to him, man. It's about the legacy of who he is as a man and the impact he has on guys around him.
And he's always been wired that way.

Speaker 6 So I can imagine whatever team gets him, they're going to be excited to have a guy who's not only going to be a great football player, but what he's going to be able to teach and bring to a locker room and a group is going to be really special because he's like having a coach on the field from his ability

Speaker 6 and really from the mental part of the game, what he understands.

Speaker 1 Okay, so he's training, you said, as of today. So he's in good shape, body feeling good, everything, all systems go.

Speaker 6 He's shirtless in there every day. He's just letting the guys know, I still got it, baby.
He's showing off the six-pack.

Speaker 6 I think it's a little shot at Puka. Like, you better stay in shape because this is the kind of shape I'm in.
You know, Puka's known for throwing up in the trash can.

Speaker 6 Coop wants to show off the six-pack. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 Puka getting after it all the way to the point where he throws up. Respect dog.

Speaker 1 Absolute dog.

Speaker 1 What an oos in there. And then Cooper Cup definitely has spray tan, though, right?

Speaker 1 You're not going to be that white with a shirt off unless there's at least a little bit of a tansy down there at the beach, maybe toning that up a little bit.

Speaker 6 I don't think Coop puts any chemicals on his body, including deodorant. So I think he's an all-natural guy.

Speaker 1 Okay, we got a hippie coming to your town.

Speaker 1 You got a hippie coming to your town who's an incredible wide receiver, receiver, especially could be a great addition to a locker room. Let's talk about you.

Speaker 1 You obviously were synonymous with the Bengals for a long, long time. And I remember when you left the Bengals, there was some sort of something.
I don't remember the exacts of it.

Speaker 1 Then you end up with the Rams. Yeah, some sort of something.
Yeah, I don't know. I just, it feels like there's teams that are getting in that position now.

Speaker 1 Obviously, not just the Bengals who Trey Hendrickson is allowed to go look for a trade. Sam Hubbard just retired.

Speaker 1 We thought that might open up some money for Trey Hendrickson, but they tell him he can go seek a trade because they got T.

Speaker 1 Higgins, Jamar Chase, a lot of people they have have to figure out over there. San Francisco 49ers seemingly have to deal with it every single year.
Whenever you're talking about,

Speaker 1 we don't have to just talk about the Bengals, but obviously they're a part of this conversation as a whole.

Speaker 1 Whenever you have to pick and choose who you're giving money to and how much money you're giving to people, how uncomfortable does that actually get behind closed doors, do you think?

Speaker 1 that we don't talk about it.

Speaker 6 I think it's really uncomfortable. I think it's one of the things maybe the fan bases sometimes don't understand.

Speaker 6 This week isn't just about who's getting acquired or who's leaving and who we're cutting.

Speaker 6 There's a lot of emotions involved and a lot of nerves because you're hoping that a lot of these decisions or quality decisions you're making as a personnel group and you're saying, hey, we feel like we want to move money this direction or we want to add money here to our team.

Speaker 6 And you look at the Cincinnati Bengals situation, which is a great one. You know, obviously Joe Burrow has been very outspoken about wanting T.
Higgins and Jamar Chase back.

Speaker 6 And the Bengals have always done things financially a certain way.

Speaker 6 And so it's kind of one of those things like maybe, hey, listen, Joe, we're going to try to do this, but these are the people that are going to have to go.

Speaker 6 And there's going to be people that aren't going to be a part of this team if we're going to do it that way. So you look at Trey Hendricks' situation.

Speaker 6 I think it's the Max Crosby deal that really probably sent this to this point because now they go, wow, if that's the asking price, you know, you probably need to go out there and see if there's another team that would offer you that and then give us some compensation to really make it worth our while to move on.

Speaker 1 $106.5 million extension for Max Crosby, completely earned. We're not saying...

Speaker 6 He deserves every bit of it.

Speaker 1 Every play this guy plays, just like Trey Hendrickson. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean, it is the engine is obviously absurd, but the impact on the game that a pass rusher has, especially if you're Trey Hendrickson, the pass sacked king last year, and then last three years most sacks out of anybody.

Speaker 1 It's like, I assume somebody will be like, yep, we will make that play for Trey Hendrickson. And the Bengals are going to be back at a spot that they're always in, which is...

Speaker 1 Get talent, can't keep talent. Business always gets in the way because there's a lot of stats floating out there about paying Joey Burrow.
And then obviously the Eagles pay Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 And somehow the Eagles are able to keep everybody. And the Bengals are very rarely ever able to keep anybody.
So how do you view the situation as somebody that's been so close to it in the past?

Speaker 6 Well, the issue is the Bengals are never going to issue out lots of guarantees and contracts.

Speaker 6 And unfortunately, they're just continuing to be way behind times in that spot because it's like that's the part of the business now. And eventually,

Speaker 6 you may have had an old way of doing things, but if you don't ever change, you're going to always get left behind in these situations. Continuously, they've let big free agents leave.

Speaker 6 Now, it's not that every team hasn't done that, but then they've also not been able to replace them.

Speaker 6 You look how many draft picks they've spent on the defensive side of the football since they lost Jesse Bates and DJ Reeder and now possibly Trey Hendrickson, and they just haven't been able to find guys that match up to that standard of play.

Speaker 6 So if you can't pay them to stay and you also don't draft their replacement, you're living in a world where we just keep spinning the circle and you're going to be keep putting yourself in this position where you're going to have to overpay to keep some talent.

Speaker 6 And right now, you look at it, you've gone this long with T. Higgins being upset with his contract.
Jamar Chase obviously needs to get taken care of.

Speaker 6 Those are the things I just hate to see teams do to continue to allow it to fester. Make a decision.
Pay the guy, move on from the guy, but stop letting it just linger in the locker room.

Speaker 6 Because to me, that's what you really see start to have an effect. Like what the Cowboys did with CeeDee Lamb and Dak last year.

Speaker 6 It just continues to fester your team and it affects your locker room because you create a bad vibe every single day about who's going to get paid that's deserve the opportunity to get paid.

Speaker 6 You got to make those decisions and make a clean cut of what we're going to do and let's move forward.

Speaker 1 Andrew stars get jaded towards the organization. And once again, the Bengals aren't the only team that does this.

Speaker 1 Historically, though, they have been a team that's been in the spotlight of doing this because they get so many good players and then can't keep them. And it's like, have a guy right now.

Speaker 1 Are they going to be able to figure out the business to keep these talented gentlemen in Cincinnati?

Speaker 1 You know, whenever you provide a guarantee for somebody, ownership has to put that money up into a fund. So they actually have to have that money right now.
You have to be able to put that in there.

Speaker 1 So that's obviously a question with the Brown family. Would they be willing to put that amount of money because the Bengals are their only business?

Speaker 1 It's crazy because there's other owners that

Speaker 1 like $106.5 million, not that Mark Davis is this way, even though he sold to some

Speaker 1 funds, I think, some venture, 10% he sold. There's some owners that can literally just $106.5 million just be like, yeah, fucking whatever.
We don't care.

Speaker 1 And then there's some ownerships that the team is all they got. And it's like fluidity of cash is not necessarily in abundance.
I'll be excited to see how that kind of continues to work itself out.

Speaker 1 And you talk about taking care of guys early. JJ Watt literally just said that yesterday.
It's like, it's good for all parties to take care of somebody early. Saquon Barkley's due.

Speaker 1 How about that shit? Just awesome.

Speaker 6 Right? You talk about another one, just like Max Crosby. Like, that's what you want to see.

Speaker 6 You want to see this relationship with organizations where when a guy plays to a certain standard standard and you go, hey, you know what? This is what we want to encourage.

Speaker 6 A guy comes in here, the character he plays with, the style he plays with, how he achieved. We're going to make sure these kind of guys get taken care of early.

Speaker 6 That also helps us make decisions down the road.

Speaker 6 And that's what I think is the issue is sometimes the cat and mouse game of the team and the player and trying to figure out, all right, do we want to keep leveraging and holding off, paying them?

Speaker 6 Like the sooner you can make a commitment to guys and that's really what the Eagles have done great.

Speaker 6 Hey, let's pick our five, six, seven guys that we know without question the character they are and the football player they are. We're going to commit to them to move forward.

Speaker 6 And now that gives us the space to go, all right, when these other situations come up, can we make a move? Can we not?

Speaker 6 And that really is what, to me, separates what Howie Roseman's been able to do is not just these ghost years and these contracts.

Speaker 6 People are talking about how they put them together, but he commits to guys that he knows, this is a guy that I'm going to want my organization. no matter what.

Speaker 6 And it's the same thing that's been the criticism of the Giants with letting Saquon leave.

Speaker 6 How do you let talented football players who are also great characters, awesome for your culture, ever walk out of your building?

Speaker 6 You know, to really validate what that number is that you say is too much is crazy to me because you want good character people who are great football players.

Speaker 6 That's what you're in the business of acquiring. You don't let those people walk out of your building.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we watched it all unfold on that Hard Knocks offseason. And boy, that was a,

Speaker 1 that has all just come back completely the other way. And Mara, the owner, has to feel like a a super genius.

Speaker 1 He's probably, whenever he's going around conversation, you see it hard enough. I know ball.
I know.

Speaker 1 I know ball. I told him I tried to give him a hint.

Speaker 1 I tried to give him a tip because remember it was said back in the day, just a few years back, that Mara was sick at telling his friends why his team sucks, which is why he invested a bunch of money, invested a bunch of money.

Speaker 1 And then this whole situation happens, and Mara's like, I fucking know it. They don't let me.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the craziest comment, Pat, to that whole situation was when Sheen said that you don't pay a running back, you know, $12 to $15 million, you know, and have your $40 million quarterback hand the ball off to him.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, wait a minute, isn't $55 million what all the great quarterbacks are getting paid? So wouldn't you pay your quarterback less and then your running back more?

Speaker 6 And then that adds up to what the great quarterbacks are? Like, that isn't even the math actually adds up to, that would be the equivalent of what those guys actually get paid.

Speaker 6 And that would be the dynamic if you have a quarterback for $40 million.

Speaker 1 And you look at the

Speaker 6 sense.

Speaker 1 And you look at the picture right next to your head right now. It's like the Philadelphia Eagles, they paid a guy, a quarterback.
And yeah, he did hand the ball off.

Speaker 1 They handed the ball off more than they threw the ball. And they're still, hey, okay with paying Jalen Hurts the amount of money that they're currently paying him.

Speaker 1 It's a wild time, you know, and it's crazy how this all works. But, you know, maybe the Bengals, maybe the Giants, maybe all these teams, they figure it out this offseason.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Let's go.
The one team that... I don't even think their fans have any hope, and maybe even the people in the building, the Cleveland Browns, interesting situation as we stay in.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, they're in it. They are in it right now.
Miles Garrett has requested a trade. He also requested allegedly a meeting with ownership.

Speaker 1 I assume he was going to go up to Haslam and just say, yeah, I'm never coming in this building again. So the right thing to do is just to get me out of here.

Speaker 1 Haslam allegedly declined the meeting, so they were not able to catch up is what's being reported at this exact moment.

Speaker 1 Andrew Berry has done a media round as the general manager for the Cleveland Browns, done a media round saying, Miles Garrett's going to be a Cleveland Brown.

Speaker 1 Miles Garrett's going to be a Cleveland Brown. Now it's being reported that Miles Garrett is willing to miss games because he said he wants to go and play meaningful football.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on how this works out? And where do you rank Miles Garrett as a guy amongst the defensive end pass rusher? Is this a Mount Rushmore player already?

Speaker 6 Well, there's no question he's a Mount Rushmore type player. He's also like the win-the-game off-the-bus guy every time.

Speaker 6 I mean, every time you see this guy, it's impressive, just the physical stature he has.

Speaker 6 But you look at this situation, Pat, and it's crazy to me because as much, you know, hard time I give the Cincinnati Bengals some of these decisions.

Speaker 6 Obviously, I loved loved playing there, but one of the things I respected the most is every time a contract situation came up or I was upset and my agent and I talked, I would go upstairs and Mike Brown was an open door policy at all times.

Speaker 6 Anytime you want to come meet with me, you want to talk about these things. We could sit down and have man-to-man conversations and disagree and that'd be okay.
But we're going to talk about it.

Speaker 6 You can feel better about the fact you communicated to my face about it.

Speaker 6 And I just, I hate the idea that you would turn down that request because regardless of what you're going to do, it just from a, I tell this to players all the time as a leader of a locker room, you're a man before you're anything else and always live your life that way and make decisions that way.

Speaker 6 Stick true to who you are. And so to reject an opportunity to sit down with a guy, I don't even understand that.
That doesn't even make any sense.

Speaker 6 Allow him to come in and tell you how he feels because maybe you would understand him a little better. Maybe you'd understand the situation a little better.

Speaker 6 Or maybe even for him, if you got a chance to convince him why you feel this way, why we'll never never trade you, maybe that convinces him to stay a little more. I just think it's a bad way to do it.

Speaker 6 And unfortunately, they have put him in situations in his eight years he's been there to where

Speaker 6 you got to say, hey, Miles, we haven't done a very good job of giving you competitive teams and making good decisions. But at the same time, you know what?

Speaker 6 You're an unbelievable football player, and we're not in the business of getting rid of great football players who are also great people, like I just said about Saquon.

Speaker 6 But those conversations have to be had. That man-to-man conversation will matter to Miles Garrett.

Speaker 6 Either way, it shakes out because I still, even though my Cincinnati end wasn't great, left with a great appreciation for the man Mike Brown is.

Speaker 6 And I actually have the letter he wrote me when I left in free agency on my wall right here behind me because it meant so much to me that we always had that relationship, no matter how it ended.

Speaker 1 That's awesome to hear that. And that's business, you know?

Speaker 1 The reason why all this is happening is because it is a business. The way you go about doing business is explaining your side.
Like that is, and then you're negotiating.

Speaker 1 Miles could go in there and be negotiating with Haslam, and Haslam will be negotiating with Miles.

Speaker 1 Now, it might just sound like a recruiting conversation, but that's negotiating, getting a guy back, or why you're back or how much you're worth and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Maybe Haslam explains why he pulled the trigger on Deshaun Watson and gave the contract that he gave. Miles, I did that to make a team for you.

Speaker 1 Like that is what I try to do this for because I saw Joe Thomas sit here forever. I'm watching Joel Bettonio now sit here forever.
I'm watching you sit here forever.

Speaker 1 So the reason why I did this with Deshaun is because of you. So it's like there is a sell that you can do in there in that conversation as well, both sides, you know?

Speaker 1 And maybe even Miles goes in there and goes like, Mr. Hazm, I'm very honored to be a Brown.
It has been, I love the city.

Speaker 1 I've lost for you, but you guys have no avenue to success over the next three years. And who knows how long I have? So I'm just trying to, and it may be Hazm's like, all right, you got it.

Speaker 1 And then shake hands and he's on his way out. It's like those things can happen and probably have happened in the past, Wade, I would assume.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And I mean, you think about it.
What if Miles says, listen, my heart's just not here anymore. anymore, and it's not a place I want to be?

Speaker 6 Do you want to be in the business of paying a guy who's that great, who you're obviously paying a lot of money to, that just doesn't want to be there?

Speaker 6 I mean, I think that, yes, two teams do have the right to own you and possess you if they want to and keep you there. But, you know, Mike, Mike Tomlin has said it best, right?

Speaker 6 We want volunteers, not hostages. Like, you, you, you got to think about your culture as well when you make these kind of decisions.

Speaker 6 And it's not like Miles Garrett just angrily sent out a tweet and said, I want out of here.

Speaker 6 The guy wrote a freaking letter, like an address, like he's retiring of I'm basically retiring from being a Cleveland Brown and I'm ready to move on.

Speaker 6 And I think back to my situation in 2011 in Cincinnati with Carson Palmer, who did basically the same thing with the organization and just said, listen, I'm not done playing football, but I am done being a Cincinnati Bengal and I will retire before I ever play here again.

Speaker 6 And he did.

Speaker 6 He sat out most of that season until about week eight when Hugh Jackson, who had been here with us, was able to call Mike Brown and convince him not to let Carson go out that way, trade him to us in Oakland with the Raiders.

Speaker 6 And that really extended his career. But Mike Brown was going to put his feet in the ground and allow Carson to just walk off and retire.
And so they had their head-to-head.

Speaker 6 But eventually, I think you got to ask yourself if you want that in the building, if Miles really genuinely never wants to be a Cleveland Brown again.

Speaker 1 That's a tough culture. And, you know, there has been money that is obviously soothed over these types of fractures and relationships in the past.
Maybe we'll see that.

Speaker 1 But yeah, let's go shake their hands, boys. Let's go shake their hands.
And nobody's going to go in there and be combative. Hey, Hey, that happens.
Yeah. Especially like, but at the end.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. You need to go represent in there.
Now, let's talk a little bit about another team that has been notoriously terrible, but making some moves that don't look bad.

Speaker 1 Ty Schmidt has a question for you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, what do you think about what the Bears have done so far this offseason? Obviously, it seems like Caleb Williams got sacked like 500 times last year.

Speaker 4 Some people think, you know, part of that was on him. Part of it was definitely on the offensive line.

Speaker 4 But then Ben Johnson right away goes out and trades for Jonah Jackson, who he had in Detroit and was great in Detroit. And then they kind of shock everyone and go out and get Joe Tooney.

Speaker 4 How big of an impact will this have almost immediately on the Bears next year?

Speaker 6 I think it has a huge impact. I mean, you really look at what Ben Johnson came from.

Speaker 6 I mean, we talk about all the weapons and all those type things, but let's not forget where the Lions really get their bread and butter in the sense of they're built up front, and that's who they were and have been.

Speaker 6 And protecting Jared Goff was obviously the number one priority for them. And then all the pieces could come to life because of that.
And you really look at the great coordinators across the league.

Speaker 6 You'll hear them talk about how the quarterback's number one, the offensive line's number two, and that can flip just depending on who can do what. That's got to be the priority of how I call a game.

Speaker 6 And when I'm making a play call every snap, it has to do with those two things. And the Chicago Bears had to find a way to protect Caleb Williams.

Speaker 6 And if we think he's similar in style possibly to a Mahomes, or some of these guys is going to have an ability, yeah, we got to get to playing in time and a rhythm better, but also going to have that opportunity to extend plays and make plays.

Speaker 6 Then I want to provide him an interior offensive line that's going to give him time to have those opportunities because you really look at Patrick Mahomes, a lot of his success has been because of having Trey Smith and Creed Humphrey and Joe Tooney in that interior three.

Speaker 6 And really, we've seen guys coming in and out of the lineup at right tackle and left tackle.

Speaker 6 So adding a Joe Tooney and a Jonah Jackson, a guy I've been familiar with, who already is going to know his system, this just adds another layer of, hey, Caleb, we're going to make you a little more comfortable in this offense and we're going to be able to do some things, run the football, use athletic guards that can pull and move.

Speaker 6 I think those are things that are going to give confidence to Ben Johnson as a play caller and then also can provide some space to the quarterback to be able to stay in that pocket and make plays.

Speaker 1 Hey, how much is confidence in the offensive line from the quarterback paramount in the success of everything?

Speaker 1 Because I think there's some conversations about some of these younger quarterbacks and not all of them.

Speaker 1 obviously and Caleb he has never said this we're just kind of looking whenever you think you're going to get your ass beat on on every single play, there is a chance that there is a lack of like going through your progressions and just trying to survive.

Speaker 1 Now, that can't be how you play your entire NFL career. You have to grow out of that.
You have to be able to just stick in there and have faith that the people in front of you will do that.

Speaker 1 But it felt like Caleb got that. You know, Caleb was very uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 I think even Bryce Young, if you go back to before he got benched, to after he got benched, it's like it feels like he had a lot more confidence in the boys in front of him.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's because Andy Dalton. But if you lose that confidence middle of the season, that's going to be hard to get back.

Speaker 1 So hopefully this will help bring back Caleb with some confidence with the O-line.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's the thing. You really look at it.
I was just going to say that, Pat, you look at the Carolina situation. A lot of times when people say, what is it, sit the quarterback early or not?

Speaker 6 When I think you see these young guys, really what they need to see sometimes is a veteran like Andy Dalton that Bryce Young got to watch. Go in there and balls coming out in time and a rhythm.

Speaker 6 Guys, like the offensive line gets more confidence because they can trust that this quarterback, he's going to hit his back foot and he's going to let it go.

Speaker 6 The receivers get more confident in their route and what they're doing that, hey, I'm going to get a ball on time. I got to be ready to catch it.

Speaker 6 So they speed up and now the offense starts to move at a faster pattern with everybody having a trust and belief of how we're going to operate.

Speaker 6 Oh, and then Bryce Young comes back in and he kind of sticks to that script. And it's like, oh, man, I'm starting to have some success.
Then he starts to get confident.

Speaker 6 Then you start to open yourself up. I mean, Pat, I know you play golf.
You know what it's like when you hit that one great shot and you're like, oh, oh, oh, wait a minute. Today's my day.

Speaker 6 Then what do you do? You feel like you can start opening up all the options. I could draw it.
I could cut it. I can start to play the different things.
That confidence is real in sports.

Speaker 6 And so I think you saw that with Bryce Young this year. And I think that's what the Bears are looking for.

Speaker 6 And the other thing that I think is really important to the Bears situation, Pat, I was with Andy Dalton when he was a rookie, veteran offensive lineman.

Speaker 6 He had a couple other vets with me that we could be around for him and help him. You look at it when I came to LA with Jared Goff.

Speaker 6 He had a struggle his rookie year, and then his second year with Sean McVay.

Speaker 6 and us, John Sullivan, other vets in that group, Roger Saffold, we were able to kind of be there and give him, hey, man, we got you. Like, trust us to protect you.

Speaker 6 I think adding two veteran guards who've done it at a high level that you believe in, it's not just how they play. It's those little moments in the huddle of, man, it's third and eight.

Speaker 6 Hey, we're going to give you one more tick, man. We'll give you another second to get this ball out.
You do your thing, man.

Speaker 6 Just being able to have that veteran presence in the offense, think of what he had last year. He didn't have a veteran backup.

Speaker 6 He didn't have a veteran lineman in that group that had really played and had a lot of experience over time. So this is going to be something that's not just about their play.

Speaker 6 It's also about who they are as human beings. It's a success they've had.

Speaker 1 A pat on the helmet. Hey, we're good.
You know, like that type of shit. That's a big deal.

Speaker 6 Hey, stay your ass up in the pocket.

Speaker 1 Exactly, right? Hey, I'm not holding on for 20 seconds.

Speaker 1 All that type of shit.

Speaker 6 Hey, listen, I'm telling Jared Goff every play go, hey, what's this one? Seven step, five step? Hey, eight yards, nine yards. Don't you dare get deeper than that.

Speaker 1 Hey, Jared, I'm running. Hell no.
Hey, Jared, I'm running them. Okay, so you're back there.
This is on you. Okay, we need you.

Speaker 6 You're back there. It's on you, baby.

Speaker 1 That is a big deal. You forget about the human side of this whole thing, you know?

Speaker 1 And it's like Caleb, I don't know if he felt like he had to project as if he knew everything, but he did have to project as if he knew everything.

Speaker 1 And it's like you look around that team, there wasn't a lot of people that were like, hey, also this. Hey, also this to work alongside of him.
I think he has that confidence to be a leading man.

Speaker 1 Like, I think he does. I think he has the ability to do it too.
I think if they put the right people around him, why not Chicago, Zito? Why not, Chicago? Why not? Let's go.

Speaker 1 Well, history tells us it won't be.

Speaker 6 Don't forget, Jonah Jackson's also training at the village, baby. So, hey,

Speaker 6 we're going, baby. We're team bears over here, too.

Speaker 1 You can write.

Speaker 1 I did not know that. We got a factory happening over there with Whitworth.
Now, let's talk about, you said Jonah Jackson training over there. We're talking about Tooney going over there.

Speaker 1 We're talking about, you know, teams rewarding, you know, certain things. How about whenever the world champion rewards the offensive line and the running back? What does that mean?

Speaker 1 Connor has a question for you, Wit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Wood, all those things about the old line and the past game are great, but it does feel like the running game the trenches are all the way back and that has kind of become a you know the new thing once again because we always talk about how the nfl is cyclical what do you think about kind of that structure to a team do you think more teams are going to try to do it like philly both in the draft and bringing in you know elite running backs and some of that you know offensive line talent or you think those two positions all of a sudden are a much bigger deal and also

Speaker 2 do you think kind of the strategy that Cincinnati and some other teams are going with with kind of the you know, high power to throw the ball over the yard is kind of becoming old news almost, and that isn't a real way to win.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think that's my biggest concern for Cincinnati.

Speaker 6 I'll answer the second one first is that, yes, you can put up a lot of points and they got on a roll at the end of the season, but look how they've started every year.

Speaker 6 And it's like if they don't start successfully, then it's like they're always playing this game where, yeah, you're putting up points, but just because you're down in a lot of games and you're not controlling the time of possession and you're not dominating the other team, you're just able to put up a lot of explosives.

Speaker 6 I think we're starting to see a switch in the league now back to time of possession, running the football, being able to sustain drives. And we know it's a copycat league.

Speaker 6 So I think it's going to be really interesting to see this offseason.

Speaker 6 I look at a guy like Ronnie Stanley, you know, some of these guys, Shaq Mason now just getting released, like some of these better in linemen. What's the market going to be?

Speaker 6 What are some like teams going to say, hey, we have to get better up front so that we can run the football? I think it's going to be interesting to see how many teams try to copycat.

Speaker 6 The only problem is, is to me, it's like when you have three great players on NBA team, you know what those three superstar teams, like Saquon Barkley should not be behind that offensive line.

Speaker 6 It's absolutely crazy that this even happened because of how good they are up front. And now Saquon.
But if you want to copycat the Eagles, it's real simple.

Speaker 6 You need a bunch of second-round picks that get a chance to watch Jason Kelsey and Lane Johnson, tremendous football players play.

Speaker 6 You need a guy like Lane Johnson the last, you know, freaking over a decade and played a super high level.

Speaker 6 You need a rugby player who can come over and after playing rugby and abs be an absolute freak at left tackle oh and then find you a top 15 pick who's a bust who can come in and move to position he's never played in his life and be dominant so if you want to copycat it go for it have fun guys yeah and get Saquon get a running back that can jump over people backwards Saquon did say that he took less money to go to Philadelphia because of the big guys up front.

Speaker 1 He thought exactly what you said, exactly what a lot of people were thinking at the end of the year. It's like that pairing,

Speaker 1 greatest in history. He broke the record for obviously including playoff runs and playoff yardage, most yardage by a running back in the history.

Speaker 1 And then his yards before contact was like a top five running back this year, let alone his total yards, but his yards before contact, like that one, wasn't even touched there.

Speaker 1 His yards before contact, living by itself as its own running back, top five running back in the entire league. So it's like, that's directly to scheme and offensive line.

Speaker 1 And then I think his yak, he's like top 15 or something. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 it is unbelievable and howie and siriani and everybody in philadelphia was like yeah we want to do that again yeah we would like to do that let's see how many times we can run that

Speaker 1 yeah no makai beckon what a story

Speaker 1 yeah is that not unbelievable what is he six foot six

Speaker 1 man

Speaker 6 yeah when you see these guys get a chance like that after the super bowl to reflect on the journey and even to watch him how emotional he would get to just being a part of a winning program being a part of something just bigger than yourself i think that feeling you guys know this of the success y'all have have all had together.

Speaker 6 It's like to be a part of something bigger than just you, that all of a sudden you have all this success and it's going in the right direction.

Speaker 6 And yeah, you believed it, but you didn't really know if it happened. And then to sit there and be in those moments, to watch a guy like Mikai, like it's tough, man.

Speaker 6 When you get in the NFL, you have this expectation at one place that you're going to come in and be dominant.

Speaker 6 I can remember him running the 40 and we all freaking out about it with just a huge freak athlete he was. And then to have the injuries he had, which were real stuff, right?

Speaker 6 That it really a struggle to get through.

Speaker 6 And then to be labeled a bust and you know what when you say that about a top pick it's like we say man your career is over like you were a top pick and now you can't make it it's over and you get to a place you play a position you never played in your life and you get around an awesome group that all of a sudden gives you confidence to believe in yourself it's what's so freaking awesome about football man that you get that belief and now there's a new new fragrance to you man you feel like you smell good you look good you play good uh that to me is the beauty of this game statland university over there does it again with Siriani, and uh, putting him at guard is obviously something that not a lot of people would do.

Speaker 1 And for him, going from being a top 15 tackle to go to guard is like a cornerback being told you're going to go to safety, like you don't have it anymore.

Speaker 1 So, for him to put his ego aside and be like, Yeah, I just want to play ball, that's awesome. Now, let's talk about the tackle coming into this year's draft out of LSU.

Speaker 1 Hey,

Speaker 1 Death Valley, yeah, you're right, don't say it.

Speaker 1 Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, talking about top 15 tackles having to go to guard. I assume you know Will Campbell since you guys, I believe, went to the same hometown, same college, same position.

Speaker 3 He's the number one tackle on the board, and then he goes to the combine, and he has the shortest arms in 10 years or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 And now all the draft guys and all the stack guys are saying he can't play left tackle in the NFL.

Speaker 3 How do you feel about teams saying that guys with shorter arms can't play tackle and moving them to guard? You think Will will be able to play out there?

Speaker 3 And just in general, just that whole that whole situation going on with tackles moving to guard

Speaker 6 yeah i mean you look at his tape and and really how he played in college i mean there's nothing that sticks out and says oh he can't play tackle sure you can go find you some clips of of a guy long army long arming him or something but guess what every tackle in the in the entire group has got some play like that out there but you look at really the physicality the strength he has i think he has a demeanor to play this game and i say this all the time man never let people's opinions of you become your reality and and so his his really willpower, who is he made of?

Speaker 6 What's his metal as a man to say, you know what, give me that label that I can't play this position. I'll go show you I can.

Speaker 6 Because when I came out for the draft, not because of arm length or anything else, but because people thought I wasn't athletic enough, different than him, it was, hey, he could only play guard or possibly be a right tackle that could start for you, but he'll never play left tackle.

Speaker 6 So to this day, I can list you anything about any left tackles that ever played in my time, not because I hated any of those guys, but because some scouts said this guy won't play left tackle i can list you the stats of who started the most games played in the most playoffs who was it and won a super bowl division championships you name it all right you want to list the stat let's talk about it but it's still something that lives in you man and so his drive and will to prove them wrong that'll be a separator and maybe he'll be at left tackle maybe he'll be at being an all-pro guard who knows but i think wheels wired right and i'm excited to see his journey willpower cable

Speaker 1 boom i have good willpower down there at uh offensive if you're an offensive lineman down there in the bayou, I'm impressed because of how hot it is

Speaker 1 carrying that weight around, which leads me to this.

Speaker 1 I was reminded of a part of your Walter Payton Man of the Year speech this morning. Got sent back in from Foxy, who's a Detroit Lions fan.

Speaker 1 For those that did not hear it or see it, here's Big Wit after winning the Walter Payton Man of the Year at the NFL Honors Show.

Speaker 3 In our game against the Detroit Lions, I had a young player from the Lions run up to me as soon as the 40s.

Speaker 1 The 440 went off.

Speaker 3 And I saw him sprinting over, and I didn't know what was going on. Like we'd known each other forever.

Speaker 1 I couldn't place it.

Speaker 3 It made me so nervous. Had I actually played long enough that, like, a coach's son or player's son is playing against me?

Speaker 3 He stopped that. He said, hey, man, you're not going to remember me.

Speaker 3 I'm Derek Barnes.

Speaker 3 You spent time with me when you were a young player in Cincinnati at the Boys and Girls Club, and it meant the world to me. You used to sit with me and talk to me about life.

Speaker 3 And I was just a little kid.

Speaker 9 I wanted you to know how much it meant to me.

Speaker 1 I said, man, he goes, you know what?

Speaker 3 The main thing I wanted to say, Wit, I made it. I made it to the NFL, Big Wit.

Speaker 1 Hey, getting choked up just watching it again. I couldn't imagine your feelings.
He just signs a massive deal.

Speaker 1 Not only did he make it to the NFL, he just changed everything for him and the next generation of his family, 25 and a half million.

Speaker 1 I said, big brothers, big sisters, it was the Boys and Girls Club in Cincinnati. Hey, that had to be so cool to kind of experience that and see that.
And

Speaker 1 also, for somebody to come up and say that whenever you decided to go do something to make the community better, you did. I'm happy you got your flowers in real time.
Legit.

Speaker 1 I'm happy you got your flowers. I appreciate that, brother.

Speaker 6 I appreciate it. I was a little hot and bothered right there.
I was doing some sweating.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what were you? 340 there? 350? What were you?

Speaker 6 I was 340, Pat. I'd come straight from practice.
We'd been practicing for the, the, we're obviously playing in the Super Bowl. So I came straight from practice, got a car service.

Speaker 6 Believe it or not, they actually forgot.

Speaker 6 the car service so we had to drive i believe it uh we got a police escort me and cooper cup cooper cup got offensive player of the year and i won walter payton but we were uh holling butt down the uh 101 the 405 trying to get to practice i mean trying to get to the uh honors and it was an amazing night you know pat the cool thing about that speech that i will say real quick is you know obviously you get put on the timer we watch the award shows the music's going to start playing.

Speaker 6 You only got so long. Hey, wait, don't talk too much.
We want you to talk a little bit.

Speaker 6 And so I gave that speech, and the only part I didn't get to finish it up with is obviously people walk away from that and go, Man, you made an awesome impact in this kid's life at Boys and Girls Club.

Speaker 6 You were a rookie in the NFL, spending your Tuesdays, hanging out with these kids, throwing the football, and developed a relationship.

Speaker 6 But I want to make sure people understand something: that that act of service sometimes is as much for you as it is for them.

Speaker 6 And so, what I really wish I could have buttoned it up with is that Derek Barnes changed my life every bit as much as I changed his and his mind.

Speaker 6 Because the real truth is, I was a Louisiana kid that had moved to Ohio. I was lost.
I'd just gotten out of a long time relationship. I didn't know who I was or what I was going to be.

Speaker 6 But the only thing that made me feel right is going to remind myself, playing with these kids, man, that I started playing this game because I loved playing the game.

Speaker 6 And I loved being around people who just loved playing it as well. And it just got me back to reminding myself who I was and what I came from.

Speaker 6 and that filled my heart and gave me the passion to go chase it every single sunday that i'm going to change my family's life so to see derek barnes now get this contract have the opportunity that the game not only changed his life but he's going to be able to change everyone around his life because of what he's achieved that's the coolest freaking part of it man and he deserves all the credit in the world hell yeah hell yeah yeah hey fulfillment's a real thing isn't it isn't it crazy fulfillment brother fulfillment is uh really the only thing worth getting or chasing and uh those Community Tuesdays did a lot, not just for you, but across the league, for young players.

Speaker 1 And I'm happy to hear that about Derek. What a story.
I'm happy he remembered, too, you know, because every once in a while, those things just kind of come and go.

Speaker 1 He obviously, great dude, as are you.

Speaker 1 Connor had a question he wanted to ask you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Bigwit, we've heard this story a couple times from one of your buddies, Jay Glazer.

Speaker 2 Is it true that when you guys were down in Cabo, you were all hanging out in the pool and Drew Brees gave a big old cannonball and then somehow, someway, you and Sean McVay and all the guys recruited Stafford on that trip to come to the Rams.

Speaker 1 Got him boozed up. Yep.
Got him boosted. Jay Glazer's out there serving booze.

Speaker 1 Drew Brees is doing cannonballs.

Speaker 1 And Big Wits, like, hey, why don't you come meet my friend Sean McVay? He's younger than you, but he's fucking ready to go. Is that what happened? Were you the mediator there?

Speaker 6 We, you know what? We uh, we had a good time in Calvo, that's for sure. Uh, that I will say.
We had a good time, a lot of good people, and a lot of those same people were still intertwined, man.

Speaker 6 Uh, it's it's been an uh, an awesome ride that's for sure but that was that was a cool moment honestly and drew brees did cannonball in the pool i i don't remember us being in the hot tub part i don't know where jay got that one he may be a like kind of a little romantic at heart or something i don't know i remember the bubbles

Speaker 1 bubbles coming out it was warm it was healing

Speaker 6 you know i think that's the salesman in him a little bit but i do remember drew brees cannonballing in the pool and uh splashing us with water while we were actually sitting there having a dinner it was sean mcbay's birthday actually and uh he he cannonballed us i was I thought that I got a lot of respect for Drew for that.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. That doesn't sound like a Drew Brees either.

Speaker 1 I respect the Drew Brees.

Speaker 6 I think he'd had a dinner and had him a couple too, Pat.

Speaker 1 He was feeling good. What? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. He was feeling good.
Like, hey, you know what? Yeah, I think he remembered the NFC championship, the non-call, and he said, you know what? These guys are a little too dressed up for me.

Speaker 6 I'm going to give them a cannonball and make sure they remember.

Speaker 1 I changed football there for like a year of the passing off France was reviewable and then it wasn't. And then now it stinks.
And now it's back in with who knows.

Speaker 1 That was a massive game, massive year for you guys. Fun to watch, and you're great, man.
This is an incredible conversation. We can't thank you enough.

Speaker 6 Anytime, brother. Appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 Wit and fits. Wait and fits.
Let's go do

Speaker 1 this. Wait and fits.
Wait and fits. Let's go do all of this.
I got the mug. Oh, you already got the merch.
Fitz and wit. Yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Hold it the wrong way. Yeah, you gotta go.
Hold it the wrong way. Sorry.
Just flip it up. Sorry,

Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen, Thursday Night Football Home Prime. Super Bowl champion Andrew Whitworth.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 That's Derek Barnes story. It's awesome.
Awesome.

Speaker 5 So cool. And he has one of the biggest plays in Lions history.
Two years ago, divisional round, picks up Baker Mayfield, sends it to the NFC Championship. MCDC guy through and through.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's... You know, Walter Paid Man of the Year.
They don't just hand those out. No, you know, that is something you got to give back to the community in which you call home.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot more good around the NFL happening than bad, although the negative headlines are always the ones that are going to be chit-chatted about the most.

Speaker 1 Those community Tuesdays are awesome. I got a chance to meet a lot of people.
You know, children's hospital.

Speaker 1 It's how I got hooked up with the military group, Wish for Our Heroes that I started working with. I built a house at one point.
I stopped by, you know,

Speaker 1 a food.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was, it wasn't a pantry. Bank.
It was like a food bank, but it wasn't. It was like serving food.
Got a chance to be a part of that.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's really cool to kind of get in there in the feeling that you get, you know, and I started this. I got lucky to start doing this type of thing in college with Bill Stewart.

Speaker 1 Bill Stewart sent us over to the hospital, which is across the street street from the stadium. Rest in peace to coach Bill Stewart.

Speaker 1 And it was like the first time going to see like sick kids and like families going through it. It's not just the kid or the patient that's going through it.

Speaker 1 It's also the family, the mom, and the dad, and the brother, and everything that is stopped completely to try to hopefully save the life or fight through something that's very devastating.

Speaker 1 It's that type of fulfillment is awesome. If you get a chance to go and give back, I would recommend it wholeheartedly.
It is a cool feeling, cool experience.

Speaker 1 And to Whit's point, you're getting a lot more out of it than you could ever expect whenever you're doing that so shout out to whit being a good dude and great that was good football yeah joe we earned absolutely that was really good football great insight we could have continued to go he's great soccer what 45 more jake laser questions without a doubt and actually i believe glaze was working out at the village oh just yesterday with chuck laddo so he's there well he has that unbreakable performance he does glazer has that gym in la yep i believe it's in hollywood above the pink taco correct

Speaker 1 it's up the hill from the pink taco i've worked out in there and that's the village right there huh yeah Jake Laser has been traveling overseas to get injection so that he can continue to roll with these guys.

Speaker 1 Good beard on him, bro. You can kind of see Witt in the background, I think.

Speaker 3 Is that the big bald-headed guy in the background?

Speaker 2 Did you get a door?

Speaker 1 Maybe not. Maybe not.
That looks like a warrior. That's a massive dude taking the photo there, though.
I will say with the hat.

Speaker 4 Another UFC guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was going to say, you see those ears.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Jay. Shout out to Chuck Lighto.
The fuck's the Chuck Lighto.

Speaker 1 Shout out. Great Enthouse episode.
Shout out, Johnny Drama. Hour one, wrapping up here on ESPN News, YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, and TikTok Live.
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Speaker 1 Just a little housekeeping here.

Speaker 1 Big night out in Pittsburgh date will be announced on Monday, and then ticket sales will begin shortly afterwards. This is within the next couple months.
This will be happening rather quickly.

Speaker 1 And big laughs, big sing-alongs, big giveaways, big night out. More info coming on monday we are uh so incredibly pumped to do this it's like um

Speaker 1 it's nothing like this particular program it's nothing like any uh show i don't think that has existed in a long long time the giveaways are going to be gigantic uh gigantic millions of dollars gonna be given away both uh in the arena and uh maybe a couple hundred thousand dollars for potential people people walk watching at home and maybe we'll see if that whole thing goes the big laughs yeah we got some funny we get some funny there's some funny there's some

Speaker 1 there's some very funny things that'll be happening, we think. You know, you never know if anything's gonna hit, but there is some hilarity in the story.
And then the sing-alongs, get ready.

Speaker 1 Let's get those pipes. We're ready to enjoy the hell out of a night at in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 I think you'll walk away from the show saying, wow, I could have never guessed what that was going to be. I can't believe Insert Name was here.
And

Speaker 1 what a night. And

Speaker 1 I'm truly, truly excited and pumped for the opportunity. And Pittsburgh's right place to do it at, too.
You know, because

Speaker 1 the setup, the people, and the amount, it's just going to be great. So big night out information coming on Monday, when it will be, and then announcement of when ticket sales will be shortly after.

Speaker 1 We can't thank everybody enough for allowing us to be in a position to be able to do this. And the boys will be a part of the show, but it is not this show.
That needs to be stated.

Speaker 1 It is not this show, but the boys will be a part of show throughout. The toxin table is here at Boss Conner and at Tyschman.

Speaker 1 I don't think that lake lake trout will be making an appearance now you never know don't sleep on the fish i look i'm not going to say that it is i'm not going to say that it isn't and you know who knows maybe you guys want to buy one of these things after i don't know oh you're you're saying buy one i thought you caught that fish no no i know well you would have to buy the hat to make it that's a good call that's one half of the hammer

Speaker 1 feel good friday cowboys

Speaker 2 uh ap tone yeah did you buy that no no you have to well you have to buy the hat and then catch the fish. I just assumed you guys.

Speaker 2 So that, once again, that's a real, that used to be a fish if you took it to a taxidermist, yeah, taxidermists, you know, hauled that thing out, and I told them, like, hey, can we keep the side, the fins?

Speaker 1 Did you put in weights or lures or extra fillets inside of that trout so it would weigh heavier like those dudes in Ohio did that are currently in jail? I think no, no, federal penitentiary.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if I wasn't competing,

Speaker 2 uh, normally, uh, if I was competing, I'd be a catch and release. You know, this is just more so fun fishing, which I do all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're just like, show me your fear. Yeah, bingo.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's one of the better fishing songs out there, you know.

Speaker 2 I'll listen to Hootie as well just to get into the artist.

Speaker 1 Horribly known. Yeah, of course.
Well,

Speaker 2 in the blowies, Hootie and the Blowies, not just Hootie. No, no, no, they're

Speaker 1 fish. Yeah, we're talking about those.

Speaker 2 Exactly, exactly. But no, I wasn't listening to anything like that.
This was just a little casual.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you were just out on Tuesday night. Bingo.

Speaker 2 Just hanging and banging.

Speaker 1 Getting away from the family. Yeah, exactly.
Getting away from the world. Yeah, yeah.
Just going out there and angling a little bit out on the water.

Speaker 2 Screaming fish on solo.

Speaker 9 You know, that's how I like to relax.

Speaker 1 Ty, you were a Big Ten angler. That's right.
When do you get out? When do you find time to get out? And how come we don't have any fish hats from you?

Speaker 1 Well, because, you know, if you're a real angler, you ain't doing Mickey Mouse bullshit like this.

Speaker 2 What? You know what else you're not doing?

Speaker 9 You're certainly not baiting your hooks with hot dogs.

Speaker 1 That's because I'm old school. That's because I'm old school.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm an old school guy.

Speaker 1 But did you use a rod?

Speaker 1 I mean, look, for some of them,

Speaker 2 not for all, this was a rod catch. But, I mean, yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 Somebody gave me, you know, because

Speaker 1 throughout college game day, you get out of the south, you go to a lot of different places, experience a lot of different things.

Speaker 1 Somebody gave me this fishing contraption that was just like basically a hand. They're just pulling it out of like their suitcase or out of their bag.
I like that.

Speaker 1 And it's just like a handheld thing, like for a small little.

Speaker 2 I got one of those, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you do. I got one, yeah.

Speaker 2 That's a good little thing. That is more so the pond fishing.
You know, I'll break out the hand if I'm going to a pond.

Speaker 2 This was a full rod situation.

Speaker 1 Did you have a boat? Did you have a fishing boat? Nah, nah, I like to stay on the shore. So you went to the lake and you fish on the shore? Well, I mean,

Speaker 2 it depends on where fish hits.

Speaker 1 Got it. Depends on where I understand, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, lakes all the time. Yeah, you can fish.
I mean, you got to find the peninsula of the lake. But, I mean, look, the fish hole that I was looking up that I found on the internet.

Speaker 1 It was within a cache.

Speaker 2 It did not require a boat or a kayak. Now, I don't, I typically use a kayak.

Speaker 2 I'm not a boat guy.

Speaker 1 I don't need that.

Speaker 2 I don't want all the fishes to know where I'm coming in from.

Speaker 1 Kayak, I can kind of disagree. Oh, you sneak up on them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I can disguise them.

Speaker 2 I can get into those tight holes

Speaker 1 that are in the corner. We know you're able to get into real tight holes

Speaker 1 just by looking at the hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know that. I don't think I've seen that.
Joining us now.

Speaker 1 We're joining us now.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, he's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. I assume not an angler.
Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk.

Speaker 1 Hawker.

Speaker 1 Hawk, are you an angler?

Speaker 8 Yeah, you would assume right. I'm not an angler.
I'm not scared to fish, but you know, I've sit on here.

Speaker 8 If I'm not catching anything in the first five to six minutes, it's going to be tough to keep me around.

Speaker 1 Some of the worst moments of our entire professional career, for me at least, was when we were out on Lake Minnetonka. And

Speaker 1 we were ice fishing in a shed. And I didn't catch anything for two hours.
And everybody literally was catching fish all around me. Now, it was cold out there.

Speaker 1 We walked past some wolves, I think, to get out to the hub that we were at in the middle of Lake Minnetonka. I was promised to fish.
I pulled pulled a swordfish out at the end. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Huge. With about four and a half hours into this thing, we're supposed to be there for about an hour and a half.
I couldn't catch a fish. And it could have been worse, I guess.

Speaker 1 Remember, Ty Schmidt was shitting in an outhouse that had no roof on the frozen Lake Minnetonka. Yeah, it was an awful night.

Speaker 4 An awful night. Not only that, we did a podcast from inside the thing and went back to edit it when we got back.
And boy, all you could hear was the wind. So that was a lot of fun doing that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that is something.

Speaker 4 Ice fishing, more power to you if you like doing that, because we did it like the the creme de la creme we had a little tv monitoring exactly but but boy did that suck and i will never do that again

Speaker 1 that is for sure ice fishing is just ice fishing is hey let's go drink 35 beers in a tent and catch little baby fish every once in a while yeah in a shed on ice yeah yeah i've gone i went ice fishing with my dad when i was growing up tim big angler Tim's walking creeks.

Speaker 1 He's got creators. He's doing the entire...
I mean, he's out there.

Speaker 1 Has no idea that there's potentially holes that he should maybe try to find where there's actual fish, but he's gonna snoop around you know he's gonna he's gonna cast around he took us ice fishing and uh there was no shed or anything it was just open lake you know open lake and uh you know you cut the yeah you do the entire thing to cut the hole and me and my brother and dad are all in the same hole there and i i guess i got fed up with it i'm done with it i head back to the car i find a thin piece of ice i go in

Speaker 1 i go into lake into lake keep keys though for tim's car up above Because boy, you lose keys, you're in a real bad spot, especially after you're in lake.

Speaker 1 Tim McAfee comes sprinting across the lake, grabs me like one-handed, pulls me out, gets me wrapped up in blankets, tosses me in the car, turns it on.

Speaker 1 Everybody on the lake is worried, coming over to check on me. I look like the biggest asshole of all time.
So it's like me and ice fishing. I've gone twice.

Speaker 1 I've gone that time and then the Minnesota time. And it has been absolute failures both times.
Fishing's not easy. That's why you need that Van Dam wrist.

Speaker 1 Or you need to be able, whenever you catch a trout, you put it it on a hat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, when you lock eyes with that trout, you know if it's meant for a hat or not, and I just knew had no idea you were a bass fisherman as well.

Speaker 1 We got pictures of Connor in the weekend competing.

Speaker 1 Con man, that's unbelievable. I didn't want to bring this up, okay? But yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah, I dominated this weekend. It wasn't even close.
Those guys with weights, I wish they were around still because I would have kicked their ass too. But yeah, it was a good weekend.

Speaker 2 I appreciate getting some Nitro ZS or Z5 in there, one of my favorite brands. And of course, you know, as always, I wouldn't be fishing without Bass Pro Shop.
So go visit your local one today.

Speaker 2 And naturally, I was driving one of those beautiful whalers out on that deck. And if we could also give a little love to my favorite shades,

Speaker 1 of course.

Speaker 1 Motherfucker Toyota. I go pro.

Speaker 1 I can't give you a Toyota Type. I can't give you a Toyota.

Speaker 1 There it is. Yeah, mustard, of course.

Speaker 2 And I had a GoPro on my

Speaker 1 don't forget Bush Light. Bushlight.

Speaker 2 Bush Light, one of my favorite pints always. And GoPro, yes, I will be releasing a series with them.
And

Speaker 2 naturally, a quantum, quantum fishing.

Speaker 1 Love working with them as well.

Speaker 2 But yeah, Toyota Corolla.

Speaker 2 That's a vehicle I drive, and that's the vehicle you should ride.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. And that mercury boat is the one you can.
Do you think they only make Corolla? Mercury boat. Go get yourself Mercury today.

Speaker 2 They also make kayaks, as I mentioned earlier.

Speaker 1 That's right. And I believe this is actually Van Dam.
This is the greatest of all time that we put your face on.

Speaker 1 That's why there's 30 sponsors.

Speaker 1 That was me. I don't know.
Van Dam, his time's done. It's my time.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Shout out to you, Con man. You out on the water.
You're Aquaman Day with that octopus. That's next, right? That's next, Jen.

Speaker 1 There's Mr. Van Dam.

Speaker 1 They're the greatest of all time.

Speaker 2 They photoshopped Van Dam on there.

Speaker 1 What's his name? Kevin or Keith? Kevin. Kevin.
Kevin Van Dam. He's in legend.
He's invited me to go fishing a couple different times.

Speaker 1 You should do that. No, but I want to tell him, like, buddy, I'm not the guy, pal.

Speaker 4 He is the guy. Six minutes with Van Davam.

Speaker 1 You're the guy.

Speaker 2 He's got some Lee fit in him.

Speaker 1 He does have a little Lee fit.

Speaker 1 I see a little Lee in there. A little handsome Lee.
No doubt. My thing is, like, this guy always pulls fish.
Always.

Speaker 1 I get out there on this guy's boat. No, not with Van Dam.
Those fish know I'm there. I don't know if if they get smarter when I'm around.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the case is, but getting out on Van Dam's boat will certainly be a dream come true. Yeah, and shout out to Toyota getting us out there.
I love Toyota. Hey, Mercury boats.
Corollas.

Speaker 1 I was trying to tell him while he was talking. I'm like, look at the fucking.

Speaker 2 I couldn't.

Speaker 2 I was trying to look up there, but the fish had so big.

Speaker 1 Fully loaded Corolla. You got it.
Big news.

Speaker 1 Big news around the NFL, not just in the fishing community. In the NFL, there's some big news.

Speaker 1 DK Metcalf has announced to the world that he would like to be traded from the Seattle Seahawks, obviously a pillar of the Seahawks program for a while.

Speaker 1 John Schneider, the general manager of the Seattle Seahawks, the man who is being tasked with rebuilding the Seahawks in a new image of McDonald as the head coach, the post-Pete Carroll era, was on with local ESPN, and this is what he had to say about DK Metcalf's trade market.

Speaker 1 I think it's in a very cordial, you know, professional place.

Speaker 1 You know, obviously, DJ's or DK has requested a trade. And

Speaker 1 We are

Speaker 1 entertaining that. We are talking to a ton of teams, taking offers, seeing what that looks like.
And

Speaker 1 yeah, here we go. I mean,

Speaker 1 you always have to do that. The thing to understand here is that

Speaker 1 our responsibility to

Speaker 1 Jody Allen,

Speaker 1 the 12s,

Speaker 1 first and foremost is doing what's absolutely best for the organization,

Speaker 1 A, and then B, what's best the player. Hopefully, you know, both those things merge and it's an ideal situation.
Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 1 Hopefully in this situation, it does, and that would be great. But worst case scenario, I mean, we have an amazing,

Speaker 1 explosive, powerful

Speaker 1 athlete playing receiver for us again in 2025. So

Speaker 1 we'll see where this goes. Okay, so Schneider leaves the door open on the John Schneider show brought to you by Pizza Hut out there on Seattle Sports Network.

Speaker 1 He alludes to maybe DK's back next year if we're not able to find a partner, but we are certainly fielding offers. And he did what most GMs will do.

Speaker 1 He's like, hey, my job is to make this team as good as possible to ownership, to the fans.

Speaker 1 And if that involves moving on from DK, if we get a first rounder and a third rounder, or we get a second rounder and a third rounder for DK, and we think that's going to make our team better, we'll do that.

Speaker 1 You know John Schneider pretty well, right? What do you think the takeaway from what he just said was about DK?

Speaker 8 I thought it was a very honest way to go about it. Yeah, of course, DK requested a trade.
You can't sit there and claim that he did not.

Speaker 8 But I think he does a good job, too, of saying, yeah, we're fielding calls, lots of calls, lots of offers all around the league. That's a good job negotiating.

Speaker 8 Obviously, if a team comes out to get them,

Speaker 8 you want them to know that, hey, you're bidding against a bunch of different teams, so you better throw us some good compensation if you want this guy, such a stud player.

Speaker 8 But yeah, I mean, I guess there is a chance that

Speaker 8 he can come back and still continue to play for the Seahawks. I think it feels like it's not like personal.
They're not letting business get in the way with like personal feelings or whatever.

Speaker 8 They know DK, what he wants to go to a contender. He feels like they might not be there yet.
And the Seahawks aren't really like taking it personal either. It's kind of like a business situation.

Speaker 8 I respect him for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what he's saying. Now, there's a chance DK puts out a tweet of a baseball cap, which has happened in the past.

Speaker 1 Whenever a GM talks about a wide receiver situation, just a few weeks ago, T. Higgins was the one to tweet, that's cap.
Everything you just said is a lie, even though we're negotiating.

Speaker 1 And yes, to your point, Schneider definitely wants people to think there's a lot of teams that are looking to get dk mech af want that to be the narrative even if there's only one team even if there's no team you would like that to be the narrative at this juncture even though from what we know about gms if they hear that there's trouble they're going to call and snoop around so is that what he's hearing or is he hearing actual negotiations i guess tbd on that front you know brandon bean would be a guy that would be uh immediately on the horn to seattle as soon as he heard about him potentially just from what we know i'm not saying he's the only GM in the NFL that would do that, but from what he's actually told us, it's like, hey, I got guys monitoring stuff.

Speaker 1 We have people checking stuff. If somebody says they want to be traded, we will definitely call if it's somebody we're interested in and snoop around.

Speaker 1 I know Bean's not the only one, but he has told us that. Could you imagine DK going to Buffalo? No, getting 30 million a year is going to be tough.

Speaker 1 Getting 30 million a year is going to be tough, but that would be on Bean and the Buffalo Bills to sell like, hey.

Speaker 1 We're not going to be able to do that, but we definitely are able to, with what Shakir has become, with what Dalton Kincaid is, with what Josh.

Speaker 8 We had Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 We had Josh Allen.

Speaker 8 That's got to be your biggest sales pitch right away. Like, who wouldn't want to go be a receiver for Josh Allen?

Speaker 1 And they just signed Bernard this morning. They just got a deal done.
So they're in the middle of negotiating deals and figuring out what their salary cap is going to be.

Speaker 1 So congrats to linebacker Terrell Bernard on getting a deal.

Speaker 1 Four years, 50 million. And for the Buffalo Bills, Kyle Brandt broke that this morning live on Good Morning Football.
Great insider stuff

Speaker 1 out of Kyle Brandt. But Bean's a got him calling.
He's not the only one.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's the only one that would certainly be snooping around.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think I read this morning, Mike Garifalo reported that there have at least been five teams that he knows of that have already reached out to the Seahawks about DK.

Speaker 4 So it's tough to think that he would go back just because they might not get a first and a third.

Speaker 4 But if there are five teams that we know of, potentially upwards of like 10 teams who are calling him, you would think that that, you know, someone is going to end up getting closer to what they want in return.

Speaker 4 And then, yeah, it'll just come down to is someone willing to give him $30 million a year.

Speaker 1 Now, the Bills would not be able to do it with their salary cap situation. Correct.
They would have to do massive salary cap gymnastics.

Speaker 1 But it's like, if you're a team that feels like you're close, you got to call DK and sell DK on like not going to be able to give you $30 million a year.

Speaker 1 If he wants $30 million and to go to a contender, obviously that widows away, that is like, guess who? Does he have a mustache? Sure. They all kind of knock around there.

Speaker 1 But with that being said, is there a happy medium where he ends up with a contender, gets 25, 22 and a half million a year? Is that what he's really looking for? Is he looking for the biggest check?

Speaker 1 I think we still don't know any of that information.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because the biggest check thing, like he could just be wanting to be one of those top guys, you know, if he were to be offered $35 million, but maybe it is more of a rebuild situation.

Speaker 2 Of course, I'm talking about New England. Of course, that is what I would want.
And, you know, although it is known as Taxachusetts, a few of those teams at the top there are.

Speaker 2 Like L.A., obviously, we know the L.A.

Speaker 2 tax situation situation is brutal they're one of those teams he's in washington now he understands yeah okay the the washington taxes are terrible i would just assume just my natural assumption is is it's probably pretty good up there the taxes are probably pretty solid in washington okay we should look that up but in my first thought is first first feeling the state of washington probably has pretty good taxes yeah but aside aside from you know with with that situation maybe that is good then but like you can probably take off the cardinals you can take off the rams vikings with a quarterback situation, you know, who knows?

Speaker 2 And then, you know, aside from that, like the Chargers and commies when it just comes to strictly money and

Speaker 2 the options you need to.

Speaker 1 I just got information: Washington is maybe no income tax.

Speaker 1 Really? Never heard that.

Speaker 8 You're in Tennessee. It's just so far out there.

Speaker 6 We don't hear people go.

Speaker 8 We hear people going to Florida and Texas, but yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 Tennessee, Florida, Texas. You never hear.

Speaker 2 Nevada.

Speaker 1 Nevada. Yeah, you never hear about Delaware.
Income tax, 0%. There is zero personal income tax in Washington.
Holy shit. Let's add Washington.

Speaker 1 I apologize for my natural assumption being that Washington has massive taxes. Sales tax, 9.38%.
Sales tax rate is 6.5%, but some counties. Local sales tax up to 4.1%.
I don't know. Wow.

Speaker 1 I did not expect that at all. At all.
Sorry about that, Washington. I legitimately did not know that that was the case.
And shout out. Yeah, shout out.
Hey, shout out. Very cool.

Speaker 1 Hey, that's very cool. And we will certainly add you in there.
So, yeah, I guess Taxachusett is going to have to do a pretty good little sell there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a few of them. Because I assume the DC area as well, that would be an assumption I have.
Like, their taxes must be an absolute.

Speaker 1 The commanders with DK Metcalf. Yeah.
And Debo. And Terry.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That kind of seems like an embarrassing amount of riches.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they're going to be running. They got $95 million.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess they did.

Speaker 4 They did just get rid of Allen today, too. So who knows?

Speaker 1 And they got... Rookie quarterback salary right now, which we talk about.
If you have a rookie quarterback contract, you can build up a round.

Speaker 1 He's not going to want money until probably after next year, right? So you've got at least a two-year run.

Speaker 1 Maybe after this season, he wants to redo it, but I don't think the commanders would feel obligated to do as such, especially after second-year quarterback, unless he just goes bananas.

Speaker 1 And maybe they do reward him, which is what teams can and have done in the past.

Speaker 1 But they probably got two years here at least where they don't have a lot of money at the quarterback position, which is quite a weapon whenever you're building a team. DK Terry Debo.

Speaker 1 And then Robinson, running back? Yeah. Good luck.
Brian Robinson.

Speaker 2 Another one that was.

Speaker 1 And Zach Ertz still the tight end? Yeah. Or is he a free agent?

Speaker 4 I think he's got one year left, I believe.

Speaker 2 A cool team, just looking at that board, too, depending on who they have to pay, still, would be the Lions. Because Lions have 51 mil.

Speaker 2 You know, who knows if they're going to pay Hutch right now because he's coming off an injury and the money is so absurd. But a team like Detroit would be sweet.

Speaker 2 And obviously Pittsburgh as well, Tony.

Speaker 8 Detroit's style of play would welcome DK, I would imagine as well. I see these clips going around the internet, too, of DK just blasting dudes all over the field.

Speaker 1 They got 51.3.

Speaker 1 Urts is the freeze. There was a little bit of room.
He is Ertza Free. I thought I saw his name on something.

Speaker 1 But they could probably get him back. I mean, he had a great year.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I would assume that he'd be happy to go back and play with Cliff for another year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, offense he knows. Jaden Daniels, he knows.

Speaker 1 He also became like a leader feeling from looking from outside in on that particular team. Detroit Lions with $51.3 million.
What are you guys going to do with it?

Speaker 5 I would absolutely love it because I don't think Tim Patrick has been signed yet for the next coming year.

Speaker 1 He'd be be the perfect we'd have j-mo st brown and dk metcalf dk loves the block he'd fit in there perfectly i personally don't think they will do it i think they're going to focus on the defensive side and focus on getting their guys that they already have paid just like they did with derek barnes how about we just mention the vikings imagine the vikings with justin jefferson and dk metcalf and jordan adderson i mean these are the teams that have just a shitload of money right now where we're sitting and now granted vikings need to pay a quarterback potentially yeah i don't know there's a lot of names being rumored back to the vikings as a veteran quarterback unless jj mccarthy is just the guy.

Speaker 1 Kirk Herbstreet said the other day on the show, team's going to get better with J.J. McCarthy as quarterback.
They won 14 and three last year.

Speaker 1 Said they're only going to get better.

Speaker 1 He said,

Speaker 1 they might not win as many games, but

Speaker 1 whenever the time comes, JJ shows up, is what Kirk Herbstreet said. He's not the only one.
I think Herbstreet sent me... Somebody else saying something like very overwhelmingly positive about J.J.

Speaker 1 McCarthy. Yes.
I forget who it was.

Speaker 2 I do not think we could find that statement from

Speaker 1 original source. Okay, that's how it all came about.
He got McCochner, potentially. It was Brady.

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, yeah. It feels like I'm talking to myself.
Yeah. Yeah.
I heard me said that over. I'm not the only one who likes JJ, but it does feel like there is a lot of positive convo around JJ.

Speaker 1 Is that because the Vikings are ready to go with him and they need it to be positive around him? Or is it because,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 that team should go.

Speaker 1 So, like, whoever's that quarterback position is very important. They're talking about if Sam Darno doesn't go there, maybe Sam Darn, there's rumors of him going to Pittsburgh.
Maybe they said it.

Speaker 1 Maybe Kirk Cousins goes back to Minnesota on a cheap deal because he's getting paid by Atlanta. What if Aaron Rodgers goes to Minnesota on a one-year deal to lead J.J.
McCarthy or something small?

Speaker 1 The world is literally seemingly wide open at the quarterback position for the Minnesota Vikings. And I think they got a lot of great opportunity to be great.
Joining us now is a man who has opinions.

Speaker 1 A man who studies the NFL, studies all the draft prospects.

Speaker 1 He just got done with a four-day combine where he talked about every single player that is potentially going to be a Hall of Famer, and every single player that's potentially going to be a bust, and every single player that is potentially going to be insurance salesman.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 How you doing, DJ?

Speaker 7 I'm doing great. AJ's face, when you said that I correctly identified all the Hall of Famers, was pretty fantastic, by the way.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, he probably thinks that. I trust you.
Nobody can do that. But if anybody could, it would be you.

Speaker 1 You were the one that Tone quoted as saying maybe Kirk or Sam Darnold to Pittsburgh or Kirk to.

Speaker 3 He said both. On the 40s and Free Agency show, I believe it was.
I was listening to it this morning.

Speaker 3 He said, you know, if the Steelers don't sign Justin Fields and Sam Darnold doesn't go back to the Vikings, Sam Darnold to the Steelers.

Speaker 3 And then he was the first one, you know, talk about Kirk potentially back to the Vikings.

Speaker 1 Which would be insane, especially after he goes and gets his bag. The Vikings didn't want to pay him, allegedly, because they had to pay Justin Jefferson and everybody else.

Speaker 1 Then he's able to go back to the offense that he knows has done very well. And he also got paid.
And the Vikings don't have to be the one.

Speaker 1 That would be the best case scenario for the Vikings, I feel like, in their mind with the Kirk Cousins situations. How do you see it working out, especially after the combine with the QBs?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think the quarterback carousel is fascinating. You know, let's start with Pittsburgh there, Pat.

Speaker 7 I just feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers, when we get to Monday, when this whole thing kicks off, that they have to have either Justin Fields or Sam Darnold in the fold.

Speaker 7 To me, those are the two guys that make the most sense for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, whatever way they go, we'd have to wait and see.

Speaker 7 And then with Sam in Minnesota, you know, I think it's tricky because it makes sense for obviously the year he's coming off of minnesota try and bring him back but i don't know how long the commitment would be so if if everything's equal if you have minnesota with a one-year offer and say it's pittsburgh and whoever else is in the mix there if it's all one year even for less money i think you stay in minnesota uh if you're if you're sitting there as sam darnold but if one of these teams is willing to commit to you longer than that i think you have to take it and then it leaves minnesota with um you know i think people misinterpreted the the Cousins thing: like, why would they bring back Kirk and then not let JJ go?

Speaker 7 No, no, JJ's going to be the starter, but you have to have some veteran insurance there. First of all, the guy needs to stay healthy.

Speaker 7 And with Kirk Cousins, I just thought it was a unique opportunity of somebody who, as you guys were mentioning, knows the offense inside and out.

Speaker 7 Atlanta's foot in the bill, so it's going to cost you, it's going to cost you next to nothing. He can literally play for the league minimum like Russell Wilson did last year.

Speaker 7 So that's why I thought that was a fascinating one. And some people thought that shadow maybe would be too big for JJ.

Speaker 7 But Pat, you go to me on that one. Anybody that's met Kirk Cousins or been around Kirk Cousins, like that's that's not really who he is.
I don't think that would be the case at all.

Speaker 1 He had a lot of success in Minnesota. Would he want to go from being a backup to Michael Pennix Jr.
to a backup to J.J. McCarthy?

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins would have to have that discussion because who knows what the market looks like for Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 And aren't people saying that maybe he's back with Atlanta as the backup quarterback for Pennix Jr. Anyways, you're saying no from what you're hearing?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I know that's been out there, but that's in the Falcons' best interest to put that out there. Hey, no, we're comfortable.
Nope, we're not going to cut him. We're going to hold on to him.

Speaker 7 So if you want him, you got to trade for him, and then you're going to have to eat some of this money. So I don't really read too much into what's coming out of Atlanta on that point.

Speaker 1 Okay, so on that note, let's assume Kirk is available. There's probably some teams like, what about the Raiders? You know, what about the Raiders that potentially would like a Kirk Cousins?

Speaker 1 You know, maybe Tom Brady says, you know, Kirk has played a lot of winning ball. He's obviously very quick at learning things.
He's fast. He's smart.

Speaker 1 And even if we get a young guy, watch Kirk Kirk work for like a year or two. Kirk is another like stopgap quarterback almost.
And he can maybe win some games. Kirk will win you some games.

Speaker 1 Now, are they going to be able to win a Super Bowl? Who knows? But I'm excited to see who ends up where. What about Aaron Rodgers for the Minnesota Vikings?

Speaker 1 What about Aaron Rodgers for the Minnesota Vikings? Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison. It would only be a one-year deal, we would assume.
So J.J.

Speaker 1 McCarthy gets to watch, gets to see how Aaron would operate. You know, for one year, it's not a long-term investment.
I don't know if Aaron's looking for a two, three-year investment. A.J.

Speaker 1 Hawk would be the one that'll be able to give that type of information. But as you think about the Brett Favre path here, it's like you go to the Jets, it doesn't work out.

Speaker 1 You go over to Minnesota, it did, though. Big time.

Speaker 1 You know, especially now, it looks like it could work out, especially if you're an accurate quarterback who knows where the hell to go with the ball.

Speaker 1 That is seemingly what matters in a Kevin O'Connell offense, DJ.

Speaker 7 Well, can you just repeat it and say it again with Minnesota? and Aaron Rodgers, because I wasn't looking at AJ.

Speaker 7 I want to look at AJ's reaction and to see if I'm a good poker player, if I can read it and get a good feel for what this looks like.

Speaker 1 AJ, all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. I think he would be okay with Aaron finding a good home.
Right, AJ, isn't that kind of how you would view that?

Speaker 1 But Packers fans would not be thrilled, obviously.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 I mean, the Favre thing was one thing because he played with the Jets and you just didn't, and then obviously he came in and kind of beat the Packers ass when he was with the Vikings, but this one would just be, I mean, I lived it once.

Speaker 4 I don't need to live it again. And this Vikings team, kind of like that Vikings team with Favre, like, there's a chance they could, if he plays the way he did

Speaker 2 last season, yeah, they could win a Super Bowl with him, which would be just the worst thing ever. And could you fathom Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, T.J.
Hawkinson, Devontae Adams?

Speaker 1 Adams, Aaron Jones, Matt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be bad. Jordan Nelson coming off the farm.
He would never. AJ, what are your thoughts on all of it?

Speaker 1 Obviously, speculation and who knows how much you know, legitimately, who knows how much you know from that side of it, but these are all potentially possible right now with this current quarterback carousel, AJ?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I guess they are. Like, Minnesota seems weird for me for that to happen.
I feel like with J.J. McCarthy, why would you want Aaron in there?

Speaker 8 I feel like you want JJ to come back and start and have like a maybe a vet backup that would, you know, you would feel good about if JJ has a hiccup, yeah, to help him out.

Speaker 8 Aaron is going to come in and be a starter wherever he goes. I would imagine that's what he plans on doing.
But DJ, like, where do you think is actually a good fit for Aaron?

Speaker 8 Like, coach-wise, schematically, where do you think are legit possibilities?

Speaker 7 Well, I mean, the one that was number one on the list list was the Rams until Stafford and that got all worked out. That was the one that made the most sense.

Speaker 6 Are the Giants going hard at him, DJ? We heard yesterday.

Speaker 8 Was that Art?

Speaker 7 Art was telling us?

Speaker 1 Art Stapleton said they're negotiating right now. He covers the Giants.

Speaker 7 I have not heard the Giants connected with any of the veteran quarterbacks other than Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 7 And for a team that feels like when you look at the situation there with coach and general manager, like there's some urgency here. We need to get ready to go.
We need to win right now.

Speaker 7 So who's the win right now quarterback? It's Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 7 So that one to me seems like there should be some urgency on their part. I know

Speaker 7 I felt like with the Giants, if they had two tracks, they either trade up to one to get Cam Ward and ensure that they have Cam Ward, and then maybe they shop in, you know, kind of that second-tier veteran backup market for just some insurance there for Cam to kind of help him maybe buy him a little bit of time.

Speaker 7 But if they don't have a deal done as we go into free agency, then to me, it's like they got to, I mean, I don't know who else is in on Aaron Rodgers, but it would seem to reason that nobody should outbid the Giants.

Speaker 7 They would have the most to the most to gain there.

Speaker 1 Allegedly, the offer they made to Stafford was very big, and the comp for the Rams was worthy of a trade in Les Need's eyes and Sean McVay's eyes.

Speaker 1 And then Matthew Stafford met with them on Friday morning of the combine and decided he was going to stay with the Rams. Sean McVay has described that deal as being very selfless.

Speaker 1 So we don't know the actual numbers, but we think it's going to be a lot less than what the Giants were were offering. That's kind of seemingly how the story was going.

Speaker 1 Would Dayball and he be a good fit, you think?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 7 You know, look, they've got some good pieces in place that they need to get a couple more offensive linemen.

Speaker 7 I mean, obviously, with Saquon leaving,

Speaker 7 everybody's going to focus on that. But, you know, Tyron Tracy is nowhere near Saquon Barkley, but he's a good player.
Like, he's a good back.

Speaker 7 Neighbors is a legit number one wide receiver with New York.

Speaker 7 So they've got a couple interesting pieces in place, and they need to be active here upcoming in free agency. I just, all these teams have money.

Speaker 7 And to me, I think you're going to see, you know, a lot of them are actually going to be kind of patient and wait for the second wave.

Speaker 7 The Giants, to me, would be one of those teams that would serve to be a little bit aggressive here, come out the shoot and get something done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, come on, Giants. You know, because last offseason we saw, you know, this offseason, let's do something different.
Yeah, exactly. Good luck out there.
We're pulling for you.

Speaker 1 Let's stick with the quarterbacks, especially with the veteran ones.

Speaker 1 The conversation that's looming with all the vets, these young guys trying to make a name for themselves. Connor, Aquaman has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, DJ, it feels like those top five picks are huge, especially those first three, just kind of shaping the rest of the draft and kind of free agency.

Speaker 2 Do you see two quarterbacks going in the top five picks? You mentioned the Giants trading up there, and from reports that we've heard, the Browns are definitely taking a quarterback.

Speaker 2 And we saw Mary Kay Cabot report that, you know, they love Shador, that one man's brash is another's treasure, is what was in the article she wrote about how they feel about Shador.

Speaker 2 Do you see the Giants and Browns definitely going quarterback here? Do you think that's possible? And then are the Titans definitely not taking a quarterback? Is that completely out of the question?

Speaker 2 There's no way they're taking a QB. They're definitely going to roll with Levis for another year or sign one in free agency?

Speaker 7 I would say up in the air on the first pick with the Titans. I wouldn't rule out Cam Ward there.
I think that's still a legitimate possibility.

Speaker 7 The interesting thing would be if Rodgers gets done with the Giants. If Rodgers gets done with the Giants and you're in a kind of all-in right now, we need to win to survive, so to speak.

Speaker 7 To me, if you're sitting there and Travis Hunter's there and you're the Giants and I've got a chance to have Aaron Rodgers and I can go out on one side with Malik neighbors and maybe

Speaker 7 the first year, maybe we want Travis Hunter to just kind of focus more on offense. Man, that changes that offense real quick.
And they become very interesting and very exciting.

Speaker 7 So that might pull the Giants out of the quarterback market, even at Aaron's age. I just think there's an urgency there.
So that one is TBD. The Browns, I've been saying all along,

Speaker 7 made the most sense as a team that needed to take a quarterback.

Speaker 7 Now, talking to people around the league, there's some that say, okay, yeah, no, they're going to take a quarterback, but I wouldn't necessarily make it a lock that they're going to do with their first pick.

Speaker 7 They've done their homework on this second tier of quarterbacks as well. So don't rule that out.

Speaker 1 On who?

Speaker 1 On who, Daniel Jeremiah? Because I read a Kurt Warner tweet. I don't know if you guys saw this.

Speaker 1 Kurt warner poured out a tweet he's watching all the film of all the guys okay as you know kurt warner he does all his work he's due diligent to a t in everything that he does talking ball been watching last four games for top nfl draft qbs and will howard had the best four game stretch of any quarterback i've watched so far and it really wasn't even that close great throws consistent accuracy downfield throws good reads multiple concepts etc etc etc he continued to go on with et cetera if he could he ran out of characters in that entire thing.

Speaker 1 And he saw the same four games that we saw live in person, which is why I felt the way I did going in the comments. He had a bad day, huh? Throwing its combine.
DJ, that's what they're saying.

Speaker 1 He had a bad day out there. What's the takeaway of Will Howard? And is Jackson Dart solidified as the number three QB though?

Speaker 7 Well, first of all, Kurt sent me that text. I was going back through it to pull it.
Yeah, because he knew Will Howard going back to K-State because his kid played with him at Kansas State.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 he's known about Will for a long time. But yeah, look, I agree with you in terms of that four-game stretch.
It was, you know, it was a really nice run.

Speaker 1 You agree with Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. You agree with Hall of Famer Kurt Warner.
You mean Joe? I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 You're not just me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, but I mean, you got to do more than just the

Speaker 1 more than just the ball.

Speaker 1 Former Iowa Barnstormer.

Speaker 1 Kurt Warner.

Speaker 1 You name it. Boo star.

Speaker 1 Guy knows ball. You agree with Kurt Warner and myself.
America's underdog. Many others.
So I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Speaker 7 He is America's underdog. He's, you know, look,

Speaker 7 the thing when you look at him and Will Howard is just, you know, do you have, you know, can you drive the ball? Do you have enough just pure velocity?

Speaker 7 And can you fit balls and windows that you didn't necessarily have to do much of

Speaker 7 there at Ohio State? That was the question. The combine, look, Pat, he didn't throw it great there.
I don't, I don't, I think you can help yourself with the combine and the throwing.

Speaker 7 I don't necessarily ever punish anybody for what you see in the throwing.

Speaker 1 Us neither. We like that.

Speaker 7 It's just, it's, you know, come on. You're throwing to guys you don't know.
It's a weird, it's a weird atmosphere.

Speaker 7 So I don't, I don't hold that against him. You get a chance at his pro day to throw to guys he knows and he's familiar with.
I think you'll see him throw it better.

Speaker 7 I think he's in that conversation for the

Speaker 7 third, fourth quarterback, the names you hear the most. I have Jackson Darter's the third.
Tyler Shuck is in that conversation with a lot of teams who are high on him. And then there's Will Howard.

Speaker 7 You know, if you're looking for a place for Will Howard, it's pretty easy dots to connect.

Speaker 7 If the Raiders don't, you know, aren't super active in addressing the veteran side of things and they just get a stop back quarterback. Who knows Will Howard better than Chip Kelly?

Speaker 7 So why would that not be an opportunity for him somewhere on day two to land with a coach that he's very familiar with?

Speaker 1 They have no quarterback in Las Vegas currently, although Max Crosby has come out and said, would love Aaron Rodgers as a Las Vegas Raider, which adds a whole nother, because maybe Will Howard does come in behind Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 There's just like so many situations where it sounds like signing the veteran free agent doesn't necessarily change the mindset of the team trying to get a young quarterback.

Speaker 1 And you know who's been doing this consistently? The Green Bay Packers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, like it is, it's almost just like a, yeah, this is what you need to do with the current model of NFL that we're in right now.

Speaker 1 You know what we need, though?

Speaker 7 You know what we need, though, guys? Sorry. Sorry, Boston.

Speaker 7 Connor,

Speaker 7 we got to get a deal that we don't even know about. We are talking about the same names, right? The veteran names, the draft names.
We've been talking about them forever.

Speaker 7 We need, the NFL needs to come through for us early next week, and we need a quarterback trade that just shakes

Speaker 1 to the Lakers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'll take that.

Speaker 7 I don't know that we're going to get to Luca level, but who's like a mid-tier like 12 and 12 and 6 game?

Speaker 1 Maybe. There's big names on the potential trade market.
Might not be a quarterback, but Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, DJ, I wanted to ask about the Chargers since you cover them. You do their play-by-play.

Speaker 3 You know, it feels like we were talking about it. Like they could be a wide receiver away from a deep playoff run.
Obviously, they hit on Lad McConkey last year. They have Quentin as well in there.

Speaker 3 Is a guy like DK, do you see them potentially going after a guy like DK or Devontae, who said he's wanted to play out on the West Coast?

Speaker 3 Do you see them making a big splash in the wide receiver market this free agency?

Speaker 7 Those are interesting names, and Godwin would be another kind of veteran that's out there that would really help.

Speaker 7 To me, if you're looking for the complimentary piece, like DK would be, he fits because of the, he's like a jumbo-sized Mike Williams, who Herbert had a ton of success with with a big physical wide receiver on the outside, would compliment Lad McConkey a lot.

Speaker 7 I also think you can look at Devontae Adams.

Speaker 7 Devontae Adams, skill set-wise, like the way he plays is similar to the way Keenan Allen functioned with Herbert, and Keenan Allen's numbers when he was with the Chargers were off the charts.

Speaker 7 So that one would make some sense as well.

Speaker 7 So I think they'll, Joe Ortiz loves draft picks, and I was with him and worked with him in Baltimore and have known him forever. And I know

Speaker 7 he's a big fan of holding on to his picks.

Speaker 7 So that that would be the one thing on the DK side of it that, you know, depending on how much that costs in terms of draft picks, maybe that pushes him towards one of these other free agents that you can go out there and just pay.

Speaker 1 I do wonder where DK is going to head to. Where's Miles Garrett going to end up? There's some big names.

Speaker 7 Everybody's saying DK to New England, man. Everybody in the league thinks that.

Speaker 1 I like that. I like that.
DJ keeps spinning that. What do you mean in the league? What do you mean? You're getting texts from people around the league saying that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, DK comes available. You just talk to a bunch of buddies around the league, and they're like,

Speaker 7 that just makes too much sense. They have all the money.
They have all the space.

Speaker 7 they have no weapons the the high second round pick what are they picking like 38 something like that yeah and they got two thirds

Speaker 2 so there's second round pick dk metcalf boom second and third two thirds 35 million dollars get your ass over here you can't spell metcalf without may boom

Speaker 1 you can't spell met cafe without yeah there's a why in there there's a why in there but the um

Speaker 1 the the quote of vrabel saying we got compensation we got opportunity up here and he's trying to shift that culture. You get DK in there, bought into not a bad person for Drake May to be able to.

Speaker 7 What if Drake May, like if you're the Patriots, and I think that they would have competition here from the Chiefs because of the moves that the Chiefs made, the Chiefs now have a whole left guard, left tackle.

Speaker 7 Ronnie Stanley makes a ton of sense for the Chiefs to kind of be aggressive in free agency. I would also say New England should be at least having the Ronnie Stanley conversation.

Speaker 7 You go out in the first week and you give Drake May a left tackle and a number one wide receiver. Now we're cooking.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Ronnie Stanley is reportedly the number one free agent target for the.

Speaker 1 Who's saying that? Stutz and puts?

Speaker 2 I don't know about Stuttz and puts, but I do know that there are people in the area in the know that are saying

Speaker 2 Stanley is the top guy for them, and then a couple other names, of course.

Speaker 1 One of them up there said something terrible about me. Josh Pate went the bat for me.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you, Josh.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you, Pate. Appreciate you, Peyton.
Let's get back to some college conversation. Ty Schmidt has a question for you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, DJ, you put out your top 50 again today, today, and there was actually quite a bit of movement post-combine.

Speaker 4 Is that more so guys that didn't perform well at the combine, or is that guys who performed very well and just, you know, by happenstance, other guys fell?

Speaker 4 And how much is that going to actually change by the time the draft gets here?

Speaker 7 I think that's a great question, Ty. I think there's a bunch of clumps in this draft.
Like, if you look at different points in like the top 50, I have, you know, the receiver clump.

Speaker 7 I think all three of those guys are evenly graded. For me, you've got Matthew Golden, you've got T-Mac at Arizona, you've got a Bukh at Ohio State.
They're all slightly different.

Speaker 7 I gave them the exact same grade. So at this point in time, I'm like, you know what, I'm going to clump them together.
I've got a lot of time between now and the draft.

Speaker 7 Now I can just do a project where I'm just going to watch those three guys one after another, go watch them against press, go through all those different cut-ups you can, and try and figure those three out.

Speaker 7 So it's kind of put those clumps together. We've got the edge rushers, you know, Mike Green, James Pierce,

Speaker 7 you got Izaraku from Boston College. Like those guys are all kind of similarly graded.
So you're kind of identifying these little clumps.

Speaker 7 But guys that moved up, you know, I'll give you a couple examples.

Speaker 7 You look at Max Harrison from Kentucky. We talked about the fact

Speaker 7 he was going to run really well, which he did. So that wasn't a surprise.
That's not why he moved up. My thing was the tackling was a little bit inconsistent.

Speaker 7 When you're at the combine, I got more information on him and talking to teams that had visited with him and medical stuff. And you're like, dude, he was playing with a messed up shoulder.

Speaker 7 So that's why the tackling wasn't as good. So I'm like, okay, I can forgive that sin, move him up a little bit.
Trey Amos, the corner from Old Miss, I loved everything about him except the LSU game.

Speaker 7 I thought they kind of ran away from him a little bit and it caused me to question his, you know, pure top end speed. Everything else is really good, fluid, instinctive, can play the ball.

Speaker 7 I think he goes and runs 4-4-3. So I'm like, okay, well, that answered the question I had on him.
So he moves up a little bit. So that's just kind of a look into the process.

Speaker 7 And sometimes you see a guy slide two or three spots and people are like, like, what the heck did he do? Why did he fall? I'm like, he didn't fall.

Speaker 7 There's a couple guys behind him that answered some questions and ended up moving ahead of him.

Speaker 1 So that's what it is. Your top 50 prospects are based on these are the best 50 or this is how you think they'll go?

Speaker 7 Just mine, just how I rank them, how I stack them. So nothing to go with how high they'll go.
I have two tight ends in the top six players in the draft.

Speaker 7 Those are two of the highest graded players in the draft. Now, I don't think when it's all said and done, they're both going to go there in the top six.

Speaker 7 But for me, I think they're the two of the six best players.

Speaker 1 so you got tyler warren up there oh yeah yeah tyler warren's way up there and then i have lovelin right behind him uh lovelin is going to be cleared for action i do believe uh i think he has a pro day or something like that some doctor came out and said that was like a big deal this year for the combine this doctor has sent a note to all the teams letting him know he's not healthy enough to compete at the combine although he'd want to uh he will be back at a later date that felt more prevalent this year than ever before lovelin a dog tyler warren a dog arroyo right down in miami then there's a western kentucky guy bowling green bowling Green guy.

Speaker 7 Bowling Green. Yeah, Fannin.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So this tight end position is becoming more prevalent, you think, as the years go on, or just this class?

Speaker 7 It's a really good class. It's as deep of a class.
Mason Taylor is going to be a stud, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, that, hey, that

Speaker 1 gauntlet drill.

Speaker 7 It's so smooth. He didn't vary off the line.
You literally, he just drew a perfect line right down.

Speaker 1 That's like titch tape, right? Like, hey, this is how the drill is run. And then I saw 25 miles an hour at one point.
I think that was maybe the ball that came in. Yeah, it was picking up.

Speaker 1 But nonetheless, he was still at like 20 in his tight end, 19, 20 miles an hour, while just

Speaker 7 so my uncle's growing up, Pat, my uncle's growing up,

Speaker 7 one of them was a pastor. One of them was God bless him,

Speaker 7 drove a cab, right? His uncle, his dad, Jason Taylor, is uncle Zach Thomas. So I think like there's a little bit different upbringing in terms of the football side of things there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but what you did at App State. We'll never forget.

Speaker 1 We'll never forget up there on the rock, I do believe, is the way it is described. Back to the NFL.
AJ has a question for you.

Speaker 8 Yeah, quasi-NFL thing, DJ, we popped those quarterbacks up there, and they're going to be throwing in. It got me thinking of these pro days that are coming up.

Speaker 8 Is there a chance any of these young quarterbacks go to these pro days and something happens and someone jumps up the board or a team falls in love with maybe a guy other than Cam Ward, Shadur?

Speaker 8 We know Jackson Dart is up there. Is there anyone on this list you think someone could fall in love with after their pro days?

Speaker 8 And can you actually gain something when you go and you watch a guy throw at his pro day?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I would say more the private workout. You know, so if you're a team that's in the quarterback market, you'll go to the pro day.

Speaker 7 You'll watch them throw there, but you're going to see, you know, more impact based off of a private workout.

Speaker 7 We're going to go, we're going to ask you to run, you know, throw the routes that we like to feature in our offense. Maybe there's some holes in your game that we have questions about.

Speaker 7 So in our workout with you, we're going to put you through the paces and see if you can fill those gaps. And when that happens, that's when you see teams fall in love with them.

Speaker 7 And to be honest, usually when you have those private workouts, they're accompanied by a dinner. You're spending more time time around the guy.

Speaker 7 You just get more comfortable with him and kind of, you know, what he's all about. So, yeah, I think you can absolutely fall in love with a quarterback from here towards we get to the draft.

Speaker 7 I think there's absolutely a chance that happens. Kyle McCord, by the way, we didn't mention him.

Speaker 1 He threw it well.

Speaker 7 He threw it really well in Indy. And, you know, he kind of gave me like Derek Carr vibes coming out of Fresno State.
And, you know, Derek started a long time in this league.

Speaker 7 So he'll have some sponsors.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Kyle McCord, a lot of football. Yeah.
He's playing a lot of football. That's a big stat, I think, especially here in Indianapolis, people are starting to respect a lot more.

Speaker 7 Dude, experience, man.

Speaker 7 It's tough to develop these guys in the NFL. So the more experience, that's just more opportunity, not only on the game field, but on the practice field.
You're seeing different coverages.

Speaker 7 You're making different throws. Like those reps just stack up.

Speaker 1 And responding, not only on the field to different things happening, but in life and as a teammate.

Speaker 1 as a leader, like knowing how to respond to situations or how not to respond to situations because you've done it in the past or you've experienced all those, there's a lot of things happening for the first time with Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 1 Like first time this happens, first time you actually take a big time shot from an adult, okay? First time ever taking one of those and then you feel that for the first time. How do you respond?

Speaker 1 You know, tapping out, making an ass of yourself basically, you know, tapping out because you're tired. How do you respond to that?

Speaker 1 Being a professional, being a teammate, first time, how do you respond to that? So it's like he didn't have a lot of football. So he didn't have a lot of like learning curve.

Speaker 1 Obviously now we're hoping we're getting to the point where he can start kind of cracking into his potential because obviously he can be a superstar.

Speaker 1 But these guys that are having success, a lot of football. A lot of

Speaker 1 Jaden Daniels, a lot of football. Cam Ward, a lot of football.
All of them have experienced multiple places too now, right? So I think that kind of helps.

Speaker 1 CJ Stroud, I guess, only Ohio State Buckeye, but he played a lot of football. It's like Cam Ward, Shador, a lot of ball.
Jackson Gabriel. Jackson Dart, a lot of ball.
Dylan Gabriel, a lot of ball.

Speaker 1 Kyle McCord, a lot of ball. Quinn Ewers, a lot of ball.
It's like Jalen Milro obviously played a lot of ball. It's like

Speaker 1 there's a lot of ball in these guys. Even though I guess the high top end conversation about a majority of these guys isn't there, it's like a lot of experience, a lot of success, which I think is.

Speaker 1 And they've been through it.

Speaker 7 I think the most important point is they've been through some adversity.

Speaker 7 That was always... And I was in Baltimore.

Speaker 7 That was Ozzie Newsome's first question to every player that came through was give me an example of some adversity you've been through and tell me how you got through it and got on the other side of it.

Speaker 7 And like Bo Nick should be the poster child for that. Like he got run out of the state of Alabama.

Speaker 7 I mean, you know the grief that he took from his time at Auburn, and then he gets on the other side of that, goes to Oregon, and takes off like a rocket ship, man.

Speaker 7 So that shows you somebody that's that's dealt with real adversity, has overcome it. And the NFL, that day's coming for everybody where you're going to have those moments.
So how do you respond to it?

Speaker 7 And I think a lot of guys that have failed, not just at the quarterback position, but at other positions, man, they're a five-star kid all the way going up through high school.

Speaker 7 They're highly recruited. They don't really have any struggle on the college field.
They're playing against guys they're always better than each and every week.

Speaker 7 And then all of a sudden, some adversity hits, and it's like they don't know. It's like, it's like a shock to them.
They don't know how to handle it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then the ability just to transfer anytime something maybe is mean said to you, you know, that adds into the whole.

Speaker 1 By the way, if you're a high school player or in the transfer portal or want to get in the transfer portal, we're looking for dogs at West Virginia. Okay, there you go.

Speaker 1 We are looking for dogs at West Virginia. Just know West Virginia is open this next spring transfer portal.

Speaker 7 We're just selling opportunity at App State, baby. You go get your money elsewhere.
We're about opportunity at our place, man.

Speaker 1 Clyde Putchinson's up there, I think. Yes, he is.

Speaker 7 How about that? Put that on the sales pitch. You want to get coached by somebody who's coached Peyton Manning and Tom Brady?

Speaker 1 Come on up the hill. And Andrew Luck.
I mean, you're talking about

Speaker 1 that is a weapon. He was at North Carolina, obviously, alongside Drake Maine.
He said, Drake's the guy, right?

Speaker 1 You pass on Drake, you pass on a Hall of Fame. He was right.
This guy's smart, athletic, he's fast. He's fast.
Good kid.

Speaker 7 Have you ever had, by the way, I think you slipped a little trump in there.

Speaker 7 Have you ever heard anybody say anything bad about Coach, by the way, ever in your entire life? He's like the best human being.

Speaker 1 He owed me five bucks for a couple weeks. There were some terrible things said.
Doesn't pay his debt. No, no, he does.
Fast pay, fast friends, right? That's his kind of, that's kind of his MMO.

Speaker 1 So I was on his board for a while because he would have a putter

Speaker 1 and then obviously have like a hole. in his office.
So you'd walk by, hey, you know, like you're walking past a game show, and he'd be like, two putts, two putts.

Speaker 1 You think he's going to go out in the hallway? I'm rolling it into his office, see if he can make it. And it'd be five peanut MMs, wouldn't be actual money, of course.

Speaker 1 And if you missed it, you go on the board. And then the next day, if you walk by, he goes, still on the board, you know, it's like a reminder, you know, and I've been up there for a little bit.

Speaker 1 I've been up there. He's a legend, man.
Great coach.

Speaker 7 Great man. He's a good man.
Good man.

Speaker 1 Him and Frank Reich were my quarterback coaches.

Speaker 1 How about that? I have a lot of respect for that.

Speaker 2 A couple of legends.

Speaker 1 Frank Reich, I don't know how that all ended with him i hope he's a raw deal head golfing i hope he's okay i genuinely hope he's okay if there's anybody you know is going to come back it's frank reich

Speaker 1 two biggest comebacks one in college one in the nfl there you go what a legend all right we appreciate you dj enjoy the uh trip congrats on uh on 25 years quarter of a century is a long time in love brother Appreciate you, man.

Speaker 7 Appreciate your friendship. Appreciate you guys.
Good to see you.

Speaker 1 Happy anniversary, DJ. And thank you, Daniel Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 25 years, he and his bride. That's credit.
Congratulations. That's a long time.
Long time.

Speaker 8 That's love. Yeah.
He's a pro. He's a true pro.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he knows. I was wondering about his pool away speech because against old Mish, you know, there's people pulling away from him.

Speaker 1 It's like, damn, DJ, how much he, he, when he gets to the combine, he is excited to unload all of the information. He has watched

Speaker 1 300 some guys games.

Speaker 3 I don't know if he has an Excel spreadsheet or whatever. So I was listening to his podcast and they talked about a guy.
He was like, what draft is that, 2021?

Speaker 1 He's like, and then he pulled him up real quick and he had he had like three quick hitters what he does on the draft about that player and like what the prospect is going to be he has so much information on every single yeah so i got to sit next to him you know whenever i'm doing the combine and he does he does have like uh and he has like little code things too because he can't have it all so there'll be like uh like a letter and that'll mean something and then it'll be a comma and there'll be something else and there'll be something else color yeah it's like it's pretty wild because it's all like it's pretty Because there's so many.

Speaker 1 So it can't be like something that's too big. So it's just like one line with the person and one line with the person.

Speaker 1 And the person will go and he would like, literally, you see him and he'd be like, oh yeah, yeah. And then he'd say, this guy, and he would get right into it.
It's like 300 dudes

Speaker 1 and so many.

Speaker 8 New every year. New guy always turning out new dudes, too.
You got to

Speaker 8 go, man. I don't.
It just seems like overwhelming to think of to be that, have that job.

Speaker 1 And then as he's watching them film, he's like, this guy's got no shot, but got to know. Yeah.
Got to know about this guy. Yeah, because there's a chance he's going to get drafted.

Speaker 1 So I have to be in the middle of it. We're very appreciative of Daniel Jeremiah showcasing his intelligence with us every single year, legitimately.

Speaker 1 He also called Houston Texans going back-to-back 2-3 with C.J. Stroud and Real Anderson before anybody else.
A lot of people said, okay, we're just throwing shit at the wall these days.

Speaker 1 And then it ended up working out that way. And we forever said,

Speaker 1 DJ knows. Knows his shit.

Speaker 1 Shrags does too.

Speaker 2 Schrager, yeah, right before his last mock draft he releases the week of the draft is typically very spot on. Like 20 to

Speaker 1 30 correct things in there. Yeah, because he's just, he's talking to everybody.
What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Okay.

Speaker 1 And he puts out like day before us.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's right before. It might even be morning of.
I forget.

Speaker 1 You know what? The draft is a good time, isn't it? It's so much storyline. Especially with these veteran quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers with the Vikings.
Holy shit. Excuse me? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Seems crazy, right?

Speaker 1 Huh? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 You tell me,

Speaker 1 you tell me, bud. I don't know anything.

Speaker 8 Hey, I wish I did. I don't know anything.
I don't think anybody knows anything.

Speaker 1 You thinking about ice fishing on Minnetonka, huh? With your friend Aaron this year? We shall see.

Speaker 8 Getting a big old swordfish like you had, that monster you pulled out.

Speaker 1 Hey, man. You remember? Thank you.
We were all there. It was an honor.

Speaker 8 Six ounces.

Speaker 1 We'll be back on Monday. Great show coming on Monday.

Speaker 1 Holy crap. Crazy.
Have a phenomenal weekend. Hour three will be on the digital version.
Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.
Goodbye. I think we hit it.

Speaker 1 I think we hit it. Hey, you did.
Master Week continues. The Tennessee Titans are releasing Pass Rusher Harold Landry III.
Great player. Pro Source.

Speaker 1 I just saw Connor celebrate so he's hoping that they go he gives up to the New England Patriots it sounds like yeah I don't even have to hope this is a Vrabel guy through and through he will be living in New England this year boys that is interesting to think that Vrabel kind of built that place down there at this moment and they're going through a turnover and a transition into what they want the Callahan team to look like so a lot of those guys Vrabel knows a lot about oh yeah everything about And Landry's one of those guys to a T.

Speaker 2 I believe his best years were with Vrabel. I'm not sure if he got his contract during Vrabel's last year.
I believe he thought, yeah, I thought he did.

Speaker 2 He was drafted during the Vrabel era, so it does feel like that is an easy connection.

Speaker 3 Over 30 sacks the last three years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Pretty good.

Speaker 2 That's like the very similar to how, you know, DK to the Raiders is becoming a thing because of Pete Carroll.

Speaker 2 This, when he first was granted, like his ability to seek a trade, immediately it was a New England situation, but him getting released is even better for the Patriots.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, hopefully your Patriots get better.
But also,

Speaker 1 maybe somebody else will drive up the price. So that compensation and opportunity thing gets widdled away a little bit.
Widdled away.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's going to happen. Put that salary cap back up.
Look at how much money the Patriots have. Crazy.
This is a culture-changing amount of cash in one offseason. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Especially with Vrabo coming in there. $126 million, $125.7 million available.

Speaker 1 And then you look down at like the Saints, negative $38 million available.

Speaker 1 So they're going to have to do salary cap gymnastics gymnastics yet again. This is the annual New Orleans Saints operation.
We got to figure out how to become cap compliant. They'll redo contracts.

Speaker 1 They'll cut people. They'll do, this is their, this is New Orleans Saints football.
They chew loudly in the microphones with their gum

Speaker 1 and then they're always behind the eight ball whenever it comes to salary cap.

Speaker 1 That's because they've gone all in a few different times, even though they haven't been able to win the bills in that situation.

Speaker 1 You look at the Falcons, look at the Texans, and then look at the New England Patriots with a great pick and a lot of money. We got compensation and opportunity, says Mike Mike Rabel.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's like a real world because granted, the commies have to do the Debo Samuel deal, and then that might, you know, be a little less. There's a world where if T.

Speaker 2 Higgins were to be available, that the Patriots could pay T. Higgins and still have the most cap space.

Speaker 2 So it really is one of those things where if you can get over the fact that it is going to have to be this new era turnaround, you know, come here, win some football games versus like right away going into the preseason, knowing you're competing for a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 I still think there's a chance because of Raybel, because of the guys in the pieces, just some of those premier positions, left tackle, pass rusher, wide.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to get the Eagles. The Eagles are going to be a tough team to catch.
We talk about the Chiefs. We talked about the Chiefs for the last few years.
Like, can you beat the Chiefs?

Speaker 1 Now the conversation has shifted to, can you beat the Eagles? And it's like, that's what everybody's hoping for.

Speaker 1 Rabel has a style of football that might be able to at least keep it close and get a win in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 That's what I think.

Speaker 4 If you're one of these teams in the NFC who's not in just like a terrible position, like you have to be a spender.

Speaker 4 You have to go out and try to get like the Packers, like not something they typically do, but they have more money this year than they ever have.

Speaker 4 Like, they should check in on trading for Trey Hendrickson. You know, like, they should try to get DK Metcalf because we know how good the Eagles are.

Speaker 4 Like, you can't just stand pat and expect, like, hey, what we did last year is going to be good enough next year when realistically, it's probably not going to be.

Speaker 1 Trey Hendrickson's coming to the Colts, brother.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but he wants to win.

Speaker 1 Whoa!

Speaker 1 But he loves Lou Annarubo. Whoa!

Speaker 5 He actually was at the Saints when MCDC was at the Saints, so he'll be at the Lions.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 Colts are just a play away, brother. Remember two years ago, we almost went to AMC South.

Speaker 3 He was at the Saints when Dennis Allen was at the Saints. He might be a bear.

Speaker 1 Lions make sense.

Speaker 5 It would be perfect fit.

Speaker 4 Let's all need to put $80 million into him and Hutch?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Winning in the trenches, that's how it works. I don't know.
Calvin Shepard would love that release to Hollands. O-line D-line now.

Speaker 1 If we can get home with four, we can just sit like the Eagles do. Seven, 14 eyes.
Hopefully, everybody's got two eyes.

Speaker 2 That was the whole thing with the Commanders or Brady when the Commanders came out at halftime against the Lions in the playoffs, where he's like, you know, maybe they maybe they mix it up.

Speaker 2 Don't blitz this half.

Speaker 1 And then first three plays, they blitz every single play.

Speaker 1 It was awesome. Let's get to a break on the other side.
We'll wrap up all the storylines of the week, and then we're talking dirt biking. Yeah, yeah.
Super cross, super cross. Who's the boss?

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Speaker 8 is that the theme song yeah yeah yeah

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Speaker 8 sweet you guys didn't go jump you got bikes out there didn't go jump somewhere i don't know that's the thing imagine if they brought in wait yeah we broke

Speaker 3 man i was actually thinking the where like zeit and nick and bruce park that hill easy perfect yeah so i used to you know

Speaker 1 all i want to do is

Speaker 4 that's all i want to do that's all i want to do you could you could actually probably you know go over the greens.

Speaker 9 You know, that'd be a little, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 And on the other side,

Speaker 1 we just get those things treated. You got gravel, though.
That's a tough gravel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you've seen the tracks out there.

Speaker 1 They got, you know, crushed rock and stuff. Nah, I don't want loose rocks.
I don't think. Super cross-backed.
They handle it. They handle it.
I do it all. I mean, definitely handle it.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's necessarily where you're heading to first. Hey, where's all the loose gravel at? Let me fucking.
Oh, it's tightly packed.

Speaker 4 It's tightly packed out there. You don't got to worry about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Foxy's been plunking golf balls.

Speaker 5 Those rocks are everywhere.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're tight until 250cc's hit it.

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Maybe Colt just does it. Hey, jump

Speaker 2 the thing. Go on, do it.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think one just pulled off. Oh, I see him.
Hell yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 3 Maybe turn Java around.

Speaker 1 Shoot right at the front door. I don't know if we're able to get to the front door or not.
Gotta go a little right.

Speaker 2 Go on, dance, Java.

Speaker 1 Go on and dance.

Speaker 4 Bag it up.

Speaker 1 Bag it up.

Speaker 1 I think I went the wrong way. No pause.

Speaker 3 Zoom.

Speaker 5 Yeah, this is as far over as I can get.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know. Oh, Java.

Speaker 1 Never gonna work, Foxy.

Speaker 3 Track four.

Speaker 1 Never gonna work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, move it a little.

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Speaker 1 Okay, that's what they're.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's what they're leaning for, that's what they're rocking for,

Speaker 1 that's what they're jumping for, ladies and gentlemen. You're looking for the out you're trying to zoom in on the name flame lighting, yeah.
I was that was quite an aggressive move

Speaker 1 on technology. If that would have worked, I would have been very impressed, especially with the lack of lighting that we have out there and everything.
Nonetheless, that's the SMX World Championship.

Speaker 1 That's what it's all about. This weekend, they have an event down at Lucas Oil Stadium.
And shout out to Super Cross, Super Cross. Who's the dirt? Boss.

Speaker 1 Super cross.

Speaker 1 Super cross.

Speaker 1 You don't like it. You can get lost.
Boom.

Speaker 1 Super cross.

Speaker 1 Super cross.

Speaker 1 Also, in the city, the NBA is happening. Indiana Pacers don't look now.
They're the team in the entire NBA. Well, maybe except for one particular team.

Speaker 1 Over the last 10 games, a team in Los Angeles has come alive. A fan base has been awoken.
And a goat

Speaker 1 is obviously feeling better than he's ever felt. The LeBronchich era for the Lakers is very real and very exciting.

Speaker 1 Just last night, they were down 10 against the New York Knicks in the fourth quarter. It was electrifying.

Speaker 1 Big time shots from LeBron James, big time plays from Luka Doncic, massive shots from Austin Reeves.

Speaker 1 And on the other side, Jalen Brunson gets hurt a little bit, but it is still a game that was must-watch. It didn't end until like 1.32 a.m.
So a lot of us missed it over here on Eastern time.

Speaker 1 But just know that this Los Angeles Lakers team, if they're on TV, they're worth a watch right now.

Speaker 1 Luka donchich and LeBron James have become a duo that has worked so perfectly together so quickly I think it has a lot of people wondering why and how can this happen in 2025 in the NBA I think Luca grew up a massive LeBron James fan I think LeBron James has always been a massive Luca fan so when they're put on a team together you can showcase the respect that they have LeBron will sit his ass in the corner Luca will do everything and now all of a sudden LeBron is having an opportunity to have wide open threes like he's Ray Allen at 40 some years old.

Speaker 1 He's already scored 50,000 points the hard way. Now he's going to have an opportunity to do it whenever somebody else is controlling the ball and controlling the defense.
They're fun to watch.

Speaker 1 And I know Charles Barkley doesn't like this particular network talking about this Lakers team, but Luca and LeBron have been magical together.

Speaker 1 And the way that he exited Dallas made him a must-like player in my eyes in Luca. And this is really good, I think, even though Charles Barkley doesn't like this.

Speaker 1 And we are friends and appreciate Charles Barkley and everybody over there. it is great for the NBA that this Lakers team is playing phenomenal basketball right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love Chuck. And just the trade in general, I feel like the players in the NBA were like, holy shit, because Luke is getting traded.
Like, I do kind of have to be a little more personable.

Speaker 2 Maybe. Who knows? That could have been a factor to it because clearly being liked does matter when it comes to both the organization and fans.
But yeah, you can tell Luke is jacked.

Speaker 2 He did the James Harden, get me out of here kind of situation, and now he is a yoked up guy.

Speaker 1 he wants he did not do a get me out of here so he got kicked out no no no uh body transformation rather he not not the on purpose you know let me james harden has done that a few times james hardened that james harden is the ah hammy we we witness

Speaker 1 yeah oh look i'm not fat all of a sudden and then the next week 50.

Speaker 2 yeah he's dropping 50.

Speaker 2 i don't mean the get me out of here like that i more so just mean the body similarities luca is already in great shape obviously he's playing out of his mind the big one is going to be tomorrow night uh Lakers-Celtics.

Speaker 2 This is kind of the first massive test for the Lakers, I would say, during the LeBronchich era. The Celtics are playing very good basketball, as they typically do.

Speaker 2 And this is a game, I think, for Celtics fans as well to kind of look forward to just because it's like, hey, the whole Cavs thing, you're up 23-2.

Speaker 2 That was a tough loss. You kind of let your foot off the pedal now.
LeBron, big dog, LeBron, Lakers, Celtics rivalry coming to town. But yeah, it has worked out for the Lakers.

Speaker 2 Obviously, Obviously, the Mavs injuries suck for them. And, you know, Mark Huban actually

Speaker 2 just did an interview and basically talked a little bit more about it, opened up about it a little bit and just said, like, you know,

Speaker 2 nothing against Anthony Davis. But, you know, if this trade is going to happen, which he said he had no idea was happening, like, you need to get more.
You know, Anthony Davis is a great player.

Speaker 2 But when you look at his age, when you look at, you know, the injuries he's had, like, a player like Luca, you'd assume is going for eight first-round picks.

Speaker 2 And for them just to get a player in the pick is kind of apt.

Speaker 1 He drank beer, though, and he smoked hookah. Yeah,

Speaker 2 which got him to the finals.

Speaker 1 Reef Hammer. I couldn't even imagine hookah in L.A.

Speaker 1 He's probably got some great hookah out there, AJ.

Speaker 8 We went to a hookah place. Where was it? D-Butt set us up with.

Speaker 1 Oh, Houston. Houston.
Houston, yeah.

Speaker 8 That was my first experience in one of those hookah spots. It was pretty cool.
I understand why Luca goes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, good vibes, obviously, in any hookah spot, and obviously the taste and the flavor. And, you know, this guy will just smoke just tobacco wraps from the street if you gave it to him.

Speaker 1 You know, this guy will smoke whatever with his cigars. Get a little hookah in there, enjoy life, have a beer, enjoy the success and all the hard work that you've put in to get to this point.

Speaker 1 Luka Lake, do it, sue him. Well, Nico said, I'm not going to sue you.
I'm going to kick you out of town.

Speaker 1 And LA saying,

Speaker 1 thank you. Thank you.
Places for you. Happened quicker.

Speaker 8 Didn't it happen? Like the fact that they were playing so well together happened much quicker than I thought could happen.

Speaker 1 10-2 since the trade. Yeah.
And they're now second in the West. They were seventh, I believe, like a week ago.
Now they're second in the West, 10-2, and nobody wants to play them. So JJ Reddick.

Speaker 1 I think that is a good spot to be. And J.J.
Reddick was getting crushed, murdered whenever he took that job and how bad they were at the beginning. And everything, now there's like inside.

Speaker 1 clips coming out of him coaching and the strategy and obviously being able to get this team to coexist and work together and all their pieces and their bench is great.

Speaker 1 It's like Lakers are a real deal. And at halftime, I got $100,000 because he made a half-court shot.

Speaker 1 I like that this is 100 racks, you know, real pressure, real life-changing stuff, as opposed to like, let's say, 19 grand. But what a make out of cuz MGM.

Speaker 1 He sold his chest, you know, to MGM for the halftime shot or half-court shot. And congrats to him.
Everything's going right for the Lakers right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everything's going right, including halftime shots. Celtics, great.
Cavaliers, great. Oklahoma City, great as well, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, those are kind of the top four. Pacers.
No, we can go.

Speaker 1 If we're going great, we're going to top of the league. We're going them four.

Speaker 1 Well, you know who's back?

Speaker 2 Who's at?

Speaker 1 Just like the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Just like Kansas City Chiefs who've had massive success and they hadn't been playing good football all year, even though they've been winning. Whenever the lights get the brightest, they show up.

Speaker 1 Say hello to Steph Curry in Brooklyn, New York last night. Just vintage Steph Curry bullshit here.
Just,

Speaker 1 you know, second quarter, going into halftime, buzzer beater, and fadeaway, walk on off.

Speaker 1 Buckets. So Draymond Green's got a lot of moxie right now.

Speaker 1 He's doing a lot, saying a lot. He's not backing down either.
He's saying, hey, well, I apologize for that. The Draymond Green show rolls on, though.
Just want to know what that means.

Speaker 1 That's not what I meant.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know that that's not what I meant whenever I said it. I did not know that.
I was talking about something else. Tease of peace to all parties, but the Draymond Green Show rolls on.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Butler, obviously a weapon for this Golden State Warriors team. Feels like things are kind of shaping up here towards the end of the season, cunt, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're just like the Pacers. kind of hitting their stride right at the right time.
And I guess different in the sense that they got Jimmy Butler and that made him much better.

Speaker 2 But yeah, that's another team, another dark horse, just like Indiana, if you will. And then there's still some teams in the middle there.
Milwaukee is still, you know, Ianis.

Speaker 2 No one really talks about them. Small market, that's a conversation for Charles Barkley to have.
And then, you know, also the Knicks, of course, who

Speaker 2 everyone says can't beat a good team. And last night we kind of proved that.
But they're still...

Speaker 1 10 in the fourth.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're still hanging around. So we'll see what happens.
But if history tells us anything,

Speaker 2 typically it is kind of the cream at the top that will get the job done. But Dallas was a five-seed last year, and they made it all the way to the final.
So who knows?

Speaker 1 Why'd they do that?

Speaker 1 Luka Donkic

Speaker 2 kind of did the entire deed, if you will.

Speaker 1 And now he's where?

Speaker 2 And now he is with the Lakers.

Speaker 1 With LeBron and Bronnie, which I don't know if you're allowed to say.

Speaker 1 You're allowed to say Bronny's a professional athlete, obviously. Okay.
I think you just,

Speaker 1 you know, maybe

Speaker 1 if you have...

Speaker 1 Interesting scene there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was the last thing we didn't really touch on that.

Speaker 1 Interesting scene there at the end. LeBron coming over, staying on business.

Speaker 2 SOB. SOB.

Speaker 1 So listen, next time I see that guy, I'm going to let him know I do not like the way he is operating. And he certainly did that right after the game.
Stephen A.

Speaker 1 gets announced that just signed a new deal with ESPN. Congrats, Stephen A.

Speaker 1 That has obviously been lingering overhead for a long time. He goes to the game, enjoys it.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, LeBron comes over to him and says, let's not be talking about my kid the same way you've been talking about me for the last two decades. How about that?

Speaker 1 Stephen A. obviously answered this morning.

Speaker 1 His response, I'll be excited to see how it is received by LeBron and LeBron's squad. We will say this.
Rich Paul will be on our show next week.

Speaker 1 Nice. We can't wait to see how that kind of all ends up working out.
But obviously in a public place, never want to see this. Hopefully they're able to go shake their hands.

Speaker 1 But a lot of things have been said. And I know Braun said this is about Bronny, not about me.
But like I assume with a lot of things that have been said over the years, you know, there's been a lot.

Speaker 1 So hopefully this is the let's go shake their Hands moment between the two, AJ. Hopefully.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, I think it'd be tough for anybody to read or watch people talk about your kid, let alone if you're on the same team as him and you're still in the same league.

Speaker 8 It's such a unique situation. Yeah, I get it.
I understand. Like, I'd be pissed if people were talking about my kids.

Speaker 1 Not only kids. You're going to think so.

Speaker 8 But I get the situation. I understand Bronn.

Speaker 8 It comes with the territory. I get all that.
But I understand being a human and reacting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and LeBron saying it's about Bronnie, for sure. Okay, it definitely is.

Speaker 1 But also, there's been a lot of things said about me, you know, and my game and my craft and everything like that over the years, not just by Stephen A, by a lot of people in sports media, comparing him to Michael Jordan, what, since like year two or year three of heights.

Speaker 1 So I think there's a lot of things potentially that lead into that. And then whenever it goes to his son, he's like, enough.

Speaker 1 And Stephen A is obviously the most famous guy in sports media, especially whenever it comes talking day-to-day and basketball and everything like that. So, you know,

Speaker 1 hopefully they get past it, you know, and hopefully the conversation and dialogue about LeBron has been able to accomplish throughout his entire career here potentially changes a little bit as well, as opposed to just saying, this guy ain't

Speaker 1 Jordan, Jordan would have chewed more gum. This guy ain't chewing ink.
I don't see this guy doing any of that. Oh, Jordan wouldn't have taken a piss during the first half.

Speaker 1 He would add his bladder under control. Like, that is basically what this guy's entire career has been.

Speaker 1 So now that he has 50,000 points in the NBA and maybe the best team he's had in a long time right now, maybe there is a little bit more of a, hey, this guy pretty good for a long time, maybe. This guy

Speaker 1 pretty good at basketball.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and all the stuff that people have said, like, you know, that was one big thing Stephen A. was saying was like, hey,

Speaker 4 he could have called me and we could have had this conversation, man-to-man. I'm sure LeBron's like, well, you've been saying this on national television for so that is calculated.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go ahead and dress you down in front of all these celebrities and all these people and maybe give you a little taste of what I've been feeling for the last, you know, two-plus decade.

Speaker 1 Stephen A. signs an NBA deal and LeBron says, now you're going to get treated like an NBA.

Speaker 1 That is the way it's going to go. Hopefully they settle that and figure it out.

Speaker 1 very important people to the sports society, obviously. And congrats to Stephen A on the new deal.
I know that has been talked about for a long, long time.

Speaker 1 Our names, now, granted, when I sign a deal, it's for like a 15-person company, which that kind of gets lost.

Speaker 1 in the conversation a lot, you know, but like my name was getting projected into his negotiations a lot by a lot of people. And I just wanted Stephen A to feel as if he got what he has deserved.

Speaker 1 The guy works his ass off. He's on TV all the time.
He's been doing ESPN stuff for, what, 13 years now? 14 years full-time. So I'm happy to see he got paid.
That's good news for all parties.

Speaker 1 And congratulations to Stephen A. And he says he's going to run for president.
Okay. So he's sticking with sports there for a bit.
For now.

Speaker 1 Not now. He's been doing politics, though.
He's been dabbling over there. Oh, yeah.
Every night there's a new clip of Stephen A. just cooking some politic conversation.

Speaker 1 And it's like, yeah, this dude's been doing debating and talking for a while now. He has been jousting.
You know, they say 10,000 hours makes you great. It's like Stephen A.

Speaker 1 has 10,000 hours of debating yeah and uh

Speaker 1 if

Speaker 1 that's interesting that feels like a pretty uh i'm not gonna say it what the political world gonna anything you say in the political world does massive numbers you know like it is because people very genuinely care but a lot of the people that are doing the

Speaker 1 and once again i don't pay attention close enough i don't feel like there's a lot of good talkers over there I don't feel like there's a lot of good talkers over there, you know?

Speaker 1 So Stephen A., having a passion and also having an incredible ability at what he does and obviously intelligence to be able to understand all that shit, which I am nowhere near.

Speaker 1 But then his ability to speak is

Speaker 8 in real time, on camera, like when stuff is brought up that you may not be super informed on, like be able to do that is, yeah, the people that are great at it, they make it look easy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and sports people, I think, are good at it because kind of have to. That's kind of what the whole entire model is.
So like Stephen A. potentially dabbling over there.

Speaker 1 I've only seen a few clips of him and people, and it's like, oh, they have no idea. They have no idea what's going on.
And if they counter, he's going to have a counter. I I mean,

Speaker 1 this is not just a, oh, yeah, you're right type situation. It's like,

Speaker 1 let me explain to you why you were wrong. And then a great promo and then just kind of leave it at their desk.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I don't know if any of these people expect that to be coming back from Stephen A. It's like might be a whole new world over there in political commentary if Stephen A takes his.

Speaker 1 takes his talents over there, which it seems like he's dabbling. But at least we know ESPN is going to have him for what?

Speaker 1 Five years?

Speaker 1 Congrats to him. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for us to talk about something that we don't know a lot about, but hopefully we'll learn.

Speaker 1 This weekend, a massive event is happening at Lucas Oh Stadium. There's an annual event that always brings

Speaker 1 a ton of people to downtown Indianapolis, Indiana. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who's won twice here in Indianapolis, super cross legend, races for the Suzuki team.

Speaker 1 He's a former 450cc rookie of the year, ladies and gentlemen, Colt Nichols.

Speaker 1 Evan Cole.

Speaker 1 Edmund Cole.

Speaker 1 Out of Oklahoma. This guy's from Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 If you can feel it.

Speaker 3 Chase it.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Pleasure's on mine.
How are we doing? How are we doing? How's it going? Pleasure. Oh, you got the Tyrese Halliburtons on.
Oh, no.

Speaker 1 As long as it worked.

Speaker 1 He broke Lisa.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Lisa blew it.
What the fuck, man?

Speaker 1 That's not a good start. That's not a good start, Cole.
At least it was in Earnhardt.

Speaker 1 I got to take some time. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Tell Lisa there.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. You're going to have to give him your back.

Speaker 1 Colt. I see it, Ty.
The head come off? No, the feet.

Speaker 2 Goddamn legs broke off.

Speaker 1 She got no feet.

Speaker 1 Guvar Ball. That is my bad.

Speaker 3 That's a party foul. That's my bad.

Speaker 3 I apologize.

Speaker 1 It is your bad.

Speaker 1 That's 100% my bad.

Speaker 1 But we'll move past it.

Speaker 2 Well, you got a big weekend. I don't want you thinking about this when you're, you know, riding your bike.

Speaker 1 Fair enough. Fair enough.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Whoa, what a catch my Conman girl.
Thank you. That was out of promotion.
He caught Lisa Blooner's torso.

Speaker 1 And her head over there.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you, it was done because you wanted to show respect. That's all it was.
Yeah, that's all. You wanted to show respect to Tyler.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it had to be done.

Speaker 1 We got some super glue, too. We'll be able to put her legs back on.
We'll get Chris Angel in here. He'll be able to put those legs right back on Lisa Bluetooth.
Don't you think about any of that?

Speaker 1 Colt, how old are you? I am 30.

Speaker 3 Okay. We're getting old, dude.
We're getting old for our sport.

Speaker 1 Okay, what is average age of...

Speaker 3 Actually, it's getting older. Like now, top guys are going until 30, 35 range.
It used to be like, you know, late 20s.

Speaker 1 Physically demanding, right?

Speaker 3 Very. I mean, it's a really, really tough sport.
We get injured a lot, hit the ground, it hurts.

Speaker 3 That's what makes guys retire early, but a lot of guys make enough money and be able to retire by the time they're 30.

Speaker 1 Love that you're able to turn something you love into a full-time profession. You're two-time Indianapolis, just Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 Yeah, at the time I was racing the 250 class. Now I'm in the 450.
One here twice in 2021. Almost had the third one crashed out on the first lap.
Tumble, big explosion type deal.

Speaker 1 But yeah, love this place.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Good vibes here.
Love this place. Big explosion.

Speaker 3 Is that, that uh are all tracks similar they all have the same shit in it just different designs yeah same obstacles whoops triple finish all this kind of stuff just configurated all differently the dirt's different every weekend like indie's notorious for like softer really ruddy conditions some of the tracks really hard pack so it just depends on where you go but uh this place is something special so you're a rudder you enjoy the thick wood oh yeah i love that how come it's like it's uh it damper it's more damp or widespread yes i don't know i don't know if the dirt's frozen from outside it rains a lot they store the dirt usually some places some places it's outside And this place just ruts up a lot.

Speaker 3 It's like what it's known for, but it's awesome. I love it.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the out to shoot is the big deal, right?

Speaker 3 Big, big deal. You got 22 guys lined up.
We're all going into the first turn, and everybody there thinks they're going to get there first. So it's just chaos most of the time.

Speaker 1 Surviving first lap, big deal.

Speaker 3 Yeah, big deal. First turn, I guess.
Yeah, you just got to position yourself good. That's literally half the race.

Speaker 3 Getting out of the gate good, putting yourself in a good spot, and then after that, trying to make moves.

Speaker 1 How many laps do we have?

Speaker 3 We got 20 minutes, 450 class. 250 class is 15 minutes plus one lap.
450 is 20 minutes plus one. So it's demanding.
Like your heart rate's probably 185 the whole time, kind of peaking right there.

Speaker 3 And it just gets really, really hard. You're up and down a lot, standing, sitting, pulling, pushing.

Speaker 3 It's tough, man.

Speaker 1 So Buffalo Wild Wings went from like 12 wings to like a pound of wings.

Speaker 1 You could get like anywhere from eight to like 13 or whatever. It's one of those.
It's 20 minutes.

Speaker 3 Not lapsing anymore. It used to just be 20 laps, 15 laps.
Now it's 20 minutes. They just wanted the racing to be a little longer.
Some of the tracks are high 40 seconds, low 50s.

Speaker 3 So the racing was done really quickly. So they're like, we want to have these guys out there, the premiere guys out there for 20 minutes so everyone could see a show for at least 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 What's the week look like? You got practice leading into the week?

Speaker 1 Qualies? What are qualies?

Speaker 3 No, we usually fly in Friday.

Speaker 3 We start in the morning with a untimed practice so you can just go out there, learn the track, you know, see how it's all pieced together.

Speaker 1 Got a bop around. Yeah, sure.
Pretty much. And then we have

Speaker 3 two time sessions after that. That depicts like your gate pick for the night program.

Speaker 1 Where do you want to be? Inside?

Speaker 3 Typically you want to be closer to the box or inside. There's usually like a there's a starting house, 12 gates, 12 gates, or 11 and 11.

Speaker 3 Depends on how long or short the start is, the strategy will change on where you want to be. But you want to get a good practice time so you can pick the best gate.

Speaker 3 They usually have these big ruts coming out of the front of them and they're all jacked up. So you want to pick the best one and you can only do that by getting a good gate pick.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's what the qualities are for. And then when are the finals? Sunday?

Speaker 3 No, all Saturday night. So we get done qualifying.
You have a little break. You get out of your gear.
I usually sign autographs, meet the fans, do stuff like that.

Speaker 1 A lot of fans, by the way. I think that was a big, I don't want to say surprise, no offense.

Speaker 1 I did not grow in a dirt bike community, but out here racing as king, obviously in Indianapolis and Indiana, I think the first time you guys came to town, I did not expect the amount of human traffic in this.

Speaker 1 It's a lot. A lot of people come to town.

Speaker 3 I mean, we'll sell out Lucas Oil Stadium and every stadium that we go to, pretty much sellouts, you know, 40, 50,000 people every night.

Speaker 3 TV packages have grown. Like, you know, the peacock deal that we signed for Supercross is huge.
And honestly, just the amount of money.

Speaker 3 Like the guy that pretty much won everything last year is the kid on screen, Jet Lawrence.

Speaker 1 Jet Lawrence, he's the SMX World Champ.

Speaker 3 Yeah, SMX World Champ. I mean, that dude made, I mean, anywhere from $8, $10 million last year.
It's a big, big money deal, you know, if you're winning races and doing good.

Speaker 1 So I don't know, you're from Oklahoma, so I'm not 100% sure if you're a country fuck. Can you move that mic a little bit? But country fucks love the dirt bikes.

Speaker 3 Oh, we absolutely love it.

Speaker 1 We dig it. That is the people that I know.
Oh, we love it. I've had an opportunity now to meet a lot of people with football and sports and traveling and everything.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I've always rode, you know, Havanbox. Okay.
You're hopping on a Harley. Indian and Harley.
Yeah. Yeah.
Have it box.

Speaker 1 You know, we got hydraulics whenever that thing parks, it goes, goes on down there. Oh, yeah.
Do you guys, you kind of start with dirt bikes as like kids, it sounds like, in ATVs, right?

Speaker 3 I mean, you start on like a PW50, which is made by Yamaha. It's pretty much the bike that everyone started on.
It's the smallest bike they make. Everyone started at...
three, four years old, probably.

Speaker 3 We start from there, then you start going to local races, then you go to these bigger amateur events that they have scattered throughout the country and try to get sponsors and things like that.

Speaker 3 And it just grows and and grows and grows. And eventually you can turn pro at, I want to say 18 years old now.
You can turn pro. It used to be 16, now it's 18.

Speaker 3 And then as soon as you do that, I mean, there's a lot of kids now that'll sign contracts at 13, 14 years old, and they're making 100, 200 grand a year, you know, as a 13, 14 year old kid.

Speaker 1 A lot of that's going into the bike, though, right? Because you guys have to build your own bikes.

Speaker 3 It depends. Like, some of those kids, like, all that's taken care of, you know, the bike stuff, it's taken care of from the team.
This is pretty much money to go on.

Speaker 1 Stay committed.

Speaker 3 Yeah, go all over the country. Most of these kids go to training facilities.
You know, they'll probably go homeschooled and they live at a training facility full-time. All they do is train.

Speaker 3 Like dirt bikes, haul every day.

Speaker 1 That's all. Eight to $10 million is available.
You know, at the end of the road.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so that's like the goal. I mean, the guy that's winning everything now, they're from Australia.
You know, they're not even from the States.

Speaker 3 They had like this big move over here all to chase the dream to race Supercross and be a Super Cross champion. So it is a crazy sport.
It's exciting.

Speaker 3 Like we're in a really, really good time period for our sport. It's growing like crazy.
Like I said, selling out stadiums, big TV packages, and the racing is just insane.

Speaker 3 It's a lottery on who's going to be at the top step of the podium every weekend. So it is just, man, it's a really, really good time to be a fan of our sport.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you said Australia there. How many other countries are really into dirt biking? In my head, I'm trying to think of like country places.

Speaker 3 Oh, I mean, America, I mean, America number one.

Speaker 1 Don't forget it.

Speaker 1 Canada don't even got dirt bikes.

Speaker 1 Ain't that right?

Speaker 1 But the guy who's winning everything right now,

Speaker 3 he is Australian. We have a rider from Japan, a rider from Germany.
There's guys all over, but they all come here to race Supercross. Supercross is by far the premier thing.
It's,

Speaker 3 you know, for you guys, NFL, top tier. For dirt bikes, Supercross is it.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what's the furthest jump we're doing in any given race? Is there like a certain track that is known for having a massive jump, or are they all pretty much regulated?

Speaker 3 More on the outdoor circuit. Like outdoor circuit is all tracks that have been there for years, you know, kind of carved out through the grass.
They got hills, you know, a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 3 There's like huge jumps where we're jumping, you know, 130, 140 feet. And Supercross, it's all regulated.

Speaker 1 Not with a heavy box.

Speaker 1 This is, you're jumping with the dirt box. Yeah, for this guy, right? And at 450.
That's 450 CC.

Speaker 3 That 450, that thing will bark. It can take off on you.
You got to be careful with it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 3 yeah, Supercross, all regulated. All the Super Cross triples are 65 feet.
The finishes are usually, you know, 50, 60 feet. They're all usually somewhat the same.

Speaker 3 Just so that whenever you build your track at home or wherever you train at, you know how to build it. So it's all kind of to spec.

Speaker 1 Being regulated seems smart. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It feels like a smart.

Speaker 3 For inside the stadium, it's a good move.

Speaker 1 Especially for making $8 to $10 million. This feels like

Speaker 1 a blossoming professional avenue for a lot of people. Go ahead, Con Man.

Speaker 2 So how are the vibes on tour? Like, does everybody hate the jet guy because he is winning everything and he's Australian?

Speaker 1 You have to get along, right? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Are you flying in just on Fridays? Like, do you have a lot of time with the other people racing? Like, how does that work when it comes to everybody who's racing?

Speaker 3 Yeah, so, so, so. Like, some guys will train together during the week.
You know, like, we stay at some of the facilities. Some of us will train together, ride together during the week.

Speaker 3 Most of the time, though, everyone tries to do everything separate because you don't want to give away any of your secrets, any stuff like that.

Speaker 3 But when we show up on the weekends, we'll usually fly on Thursday, fly on Friday. It depends on if we have press or stuff to do on Friday.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I mean, for the most part, you have like your rivalries like you would in any other sport. You know, like this guy hates that guy or, you know, that team hates that team like in football.

Speaker 3 You definitely have that. But for the most part, we all have like a really big respect for each other because this sport's tough, dude.
It's hard.

Speaker 3 You know, as soon as you got it figured out, you end up crashed, get hurt, then you're knocked out for the whole season. Like Jet Lawrence, he just tours ACL a few weeks ago.
Nice.

Speaker 1 Out for the whole season.

Speaker 1 One more spot.

Speaker 1 We're not looking over that. No, I mean, for

Speaker 1 two better days, come on,

Speaker 1 yeah, get up there. Yeah, we're obviously T's and P's in Australian.
Shout out to Jet. Yeah, love Australia.

Speaker 3 Jet honestly is a really good dude. I was teammates with him a few years ago.
Good kid. He's just, he's so young, and he's kind of taken the sport by storm just because he's so young.

Speaker 3 He's came in and done some incredible things at a really, really young age. That's not normal.
You know, normally it takes guys five, six years to get into it, and he did it first year out.

Speaker 3 He was a 450 champ. His very first try.
That's kind of incredible. He's uh, he's a badass, like, he's he's a sick kid.

Speaker 3 Um, and a lot of us, though, I mean, all of us, we've been doing this for a long time.

Speaker 3 A lot of respect, but yeah, you definitely got the rivalries, you got your beef, you know, on the weekends, guys taking each other out, and then you're pissed off.

Speaker 1 But you guys don't know each other, right? Because you've been racing throughout your entire life.

Speaker 1 I feel like with uh, like the car racers or the indie car racers, they were go-karts against each other, they kind of like know each other, indie lights, they came up against each other.

Speaker 1 You guys probably similar, right?

Speaker 3 Oh, same exact thing. I've been racing the same guys that I'm still racing now in the 450 class.
I started racing racing them when I was, you know, 10.

Speaker 3 So, you know, your tendencies about some guys, like, you know who they are, what they are, because you've been racing for so long.

Speaker 1 What's your style? What would they say your style is?

Speaker 3 Probably a little more finesse, I guess you would say. I don't really know how to describe it.
You're reading. Yeah, trying to.
Skill.

Speaker 3 A lot of guys, like you would describe, is like just they just are on edge all the time. Like, you never know if it's going to be good or bad.
It looks really sketchy while they're doing it.

Speaker 3 Some guys are really calculated. And honestly, it's poetry and motion, though, what we do, because it is like there's a million lines everywhere.

Speaker 3 The bikes are so fast, and it's just all so calculated, just like anything else. The more reps you do, the better you get, the better you get.
But our sport is, like I said, it's insane.

Speaker 3 I hope you guys can come out tomorrow because it's going to be a hell of a couple years ago.

Speaker 1 We were going to go, it was on St. Patrick's Day, too.
We all got two hammered. Oh, yeah.
That'll happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That'll happen.
Yeah, I was talking to Sean Brennan. I believe he's your PR guy.

Speaker 1 It was a great text conversation because we were downtown. We came downtown to go to the Supercross thing.
And then it happened. The showcase is amazing.
I mean, what a spectacle.

Speaker 1 You guys are piecing together, which is fantastic, which is part of that TV deal, and I assume licensing deal and everything like that. But we came downtown to do St.

Speaker 1 Patrick's Day to end up at the Supercross and then

Speaker 1 one thing led to another. I get that.
Had to get home. How to get home.
Had to get home. I don't know how.
A little bit too old.

Speaker 1 No, I took an Uber home. It was a two-hour ride.
And I was also very, very confused. But you guys, and we just showed it there, a little bumping and rubbing his racing.

Speaker 3 That'll piss you off when that stuff happens. That's what gets the rivalries going.

Speaker 3 Fans love it, though.

Speaker 1 And get low-cut. Oh, yeah.
Low bridge.

Speaker 3 Yeah, get hit right in the leg, just barely tap the front wheel. That'll make you fall down.
Then you're pissed. And you got to come back, try to catch everybody again.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 3 Makes it chaos.

Speaker 1 What was it last year or two years ago? We saw that guy. Oh, yeah.
Was that last year? I think it was last year.

Speaker 2 It might have been, yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe we saw the video last year. Somebody went

Speaker 1 full.

Speaker 3 Been there, done that. It ain't fun.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you that right now. So you, you've done that.
Oh, yeah. Full speed.
We're talking lose control.

Speaker 3 I've broken myself off way too many times. I mean, like most of us, I mean, we've had, you know, just myself, shoulder, knee, you know, hip, femur, humerus, wrists arms

Speaker 3 like an orthopedic surgeon's dream I mean some guys that that's kind of like the hard part of our sport is literally just staying healthy that's like the hardest part is being there every single weekend the guys that can do that usually are you know just a lot of steps ahead because then you get hurt you miss races you miss training you're that much further behind that's like it's a really really hard thing to do and yeah it's tough to keep getting back on that horse who's taping coat up this week yeah literally I'm about to take my shoulder up this weekend it's a little dinged up that's all right where are we in the season right now We're round, I think this is round eight in the season.

Speaker 3 Either round eight or nine, I keep losing track of where we are. So we have 17 rounds total.
Okay, we're mid-season right now. Yeah, mid-season form, trying to get ourself going a little bit.

Speaker 3 Then as soon as this ends, we have one weekend off, and then we go to the outdoor circuit that I was talking about earlier. That's spread out all through the country as well.
There's 11 races in that.

Speaker 3 That's considered like our regular season. As soon as that's over, two-week break, and then we're into the playoffs, SMX playoffs.
It's essentially the same thing as football.

Speaker 3 So we'll start out if it's like, normally it's all the same as far as like your point system on how it works. As soon as you get to the playoffs, the first round is the same standard points.

Speaker 3 The second round is double points. Third round is triple points.
And then at the end, a million dollars is up for grabs on whoever wins SMX titles. Oh, just for that, those three races.

Speaker 3 A million dollars just for that one.

Speaker 1 Pre-tax?

Speaker 3 Pre-tax.

Speaker 1 Real bummer. $650,000.
$630,000 is up.

Speaker 3 God, they're really cutting us on that.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 everybody is. Everybody, AJ has a question for you in Ohio.
What you got?

Speaker 8 Yeah, Cole, I believe, speaking of injuries, I believe a couple years ago, you broke both of of your arms at the same time. I'm curious.

Speaker 1 Oh, is that you? That was me. Yeah.

Speaker 8 How do you, how do you handle it? What did your, what did the cast look like, and how did you operate day to day?

Speaker 3 Bad situation, let me tell you that.

Speaker 1 Also, big fan.

Speaker 9 I'm just going to say that.

Speaker 3 But yeah, it was not good. We were double casts.
I couldn't even wipe my own ass.

Speaker 1 It was a whole.

Speaker 3 Luckily, I had a girlfriend at the time, or still, same girlfriend. She was handling it for me.
The cool

Speaker 1 wifey stuff.

Speaker 1 God bless her. Yeah, she was handling it.
Yeah, God bless her. Yeah, God bless her soul.

Speaker 3 But that one was tough. I had to end up having the wrist redone again

Speaker 3 because it was all messed up from the first surgery. That was like a five and a half, six month rehab.

Speaker 3 And then as soon as you're done with that, you're just trying to get back on the bike as quick as you possibly can. But same thing as you guys.

Speaker 3 Like we're trying to figure out ways, you know, hyperbaric chambers and C-back and cold plunges and everything that we can do to get the body ready to go again.

Speaker 3 And yeah, that's where our sports kind of taken off from the athletic side. Recovery, everything like that is getting pretty advanced with what we're doing.
But that one was tough.

Speaker 3 That was a really hard injury to come back from. But yet, here we are.

Speaker 1 Did you have this one? Is this what the cast looked like?

Speaker 3 Were you literally?

Speaker 3 I was stuck like this. Luckily, this one was just here to the elbow.
I think actually both of them were here to the elbow, but I was stuck. Couldn't do nothing.
That's terrible. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 It's a bad deal.

Speaker 1 But you're a tough guy.

Speaker 1 Think if your girlfriend wasn't around.

Speaker 8 What if she wasn't around, or you had to, you know,

Speaker 1 what do you do?

Speaker 1 You got to pull someone off the street?

Speaker 9 What do you do?

Speaker 3 It would have been a bad deal. We have a bidet installed in the house.
That was a help. Smaller.

Speaker 3 It was going to be a bad deal, either way.

Speaker 1 It was going to be bad. Yeah, but you got to dry off the bidet too, because if not, you're just walking around with

Speaker 1 that. Wet butt? Yeah, sorry.
That's not bad either. That ain't good.
You're going to be shit out of Lila.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'll take that over the alternative. That's for damn sure.
But

Speaker 1 that was a bad, bad deal.

Speaker 3 Yeah, luckily, she was there. She saved me.
And yeah, we ended up getting through it, so it was good.

Speaker 1 Thank you, lady. God bless her.

Speaker 1 God bless her.

Speaker 1 Why didn't you just tell us that that was your crash that we saw? You said been there, done that. That's definitely the crash that we saw.

Speaker 3 Well, I don't know. There's been a few big ones over the years.

Speaker 1 Not broken. Both, not good.
Broken both arms? Yeah, I'm assuming that's the one that cracked into our algorithm. It could have.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it certainly could have.

Speaker 1 Hey, look at this dirt bike racer, supercross guy. He broke both of his arms on this.
And then the follow-up is as soon as he could, he got right back on. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 We have an intense love for what we do. Maybe it's a little bit of stupidity as well.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 Because most people would be like, no, I'm not doing that no more. But same thing.
I mean, I broke my leg when I was six. And

Speaker 3 you know, as soon as I could ride again, I was riding again. So I'm like, I don't know why that is.
That's the difference.

Speaker 1 That's a separator, bro. That's a talent and a trait, not a bad thing.
Ty, has a question for you.

Speaker 4 You talked about this. This kind of being like a young man's game and how you're getting a little bit older.
At what point are you in like the prime of your career?

Speaker 4 And like, how long will you be able? Because now we're seeing football players like play until they're, you know, 43, 45. Obviously, that's an exception.
It's not the rule.

Speaker 4 But, like, when are you in your prime and how much longer do you think you'll be able to do this? And

Speaker 1 is there anything else over here that you'd like to throw on the ground?

Speaker 3 I'm going to have to go look at that desk a little bit more upside here, but I hope not, honestly.

Speaker 3 But honestly, for us, I'm not sure, dude. As far as how long we can go, like I said, I think it's just advancements of, you know, how we recover, how we can come back from injuries.

Speaker 3 That's kind of changing the game and making it to where it's kind of like football.

Speaker 3 Guys are just going longer, like you can, because you can take care of yourself better and perform better and for longer at a higher level.

Speaker 3 So the guy that's won a lot of titles in our sport, he just got hurt too, right around the time that Jet did. He's 32, and he's still winning races.
And that's...

Speaker 3 been unheard of, you know, 10 years ago. So I hope I could go another like three to four years if I could.
That would be cool.

Speaker 3 But I would say your your prime, prime for our sport is honestly anywhere from 24 to 30. Like there's been guys that just do it at different times, but that was usually like the rule of thumb.

Speaker 3 Like there's been a lot of guys that never even won races and to win past 30 was like literally unheard of until the past like three years. Who's goat?

Speaker 1 Who's goat? Ricky Carmichael. Ricky Carmichael.

Speaker 3 The king is Jeremy McGrath. He was my idol when I was younger.
He won 72 Supercross races. He's just a legend.
But Ricky Carmichael's the goat for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Pestrano was in this. I thought Pistrano was.

Speaker 1 Well, Pastrano was.

Speaker 3 Like, he won an an outdoor title whenever he was super young, but he was

Speaker 3 too busy going here and doing everything. He was literally doing everything.
Yeah. He was damn good talent, but he just didn't have enough of like, I'm doing this only.

Speaker 1 Do you

Speaker 1 have the

Speaker 1 flip into the? Hell no. No.
No, no. We're not going upside down.

Speaker 3 We're working on speed only. I'm not trying to flip myself off or do anything.

Speaker 1 How come? Going through the checker line? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're

Speaker 1 that big jump. Go ahead and take that song, bitch.

Speaker 3 I mean, if you won and did a black flip as you're winning, you would be, I mean, that'd be some legendary shit. But Strana did that at a super cross years ago, back in like 2009 in practice.

Speaker 3 He did a flip over the finish, and it was like the craziest thing we'd ever seen.

Speaker 1 So you guys aren't the flippers at all? No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 No flips, no tricks. We're just working on speed only.
Like, how can you go from checkered to checkered faster than the other guy?

Speaker 1 Tyran has a question for you, Cole.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you won the 250 back in 2021, I believe, and now you're doing 450. So it's like 250, is that like a minor league?

Speaker 3 And then you is, are the more talented racers going up to 450 or how does that work uh i wouldn't say minor league or talent or anything it's all just usually just age like the 250 class is strictly not all the time but usually that's just that's where you start everybody that's gone through the professional ranks you ride 250 first uh guys graduate and go to the 450 class at different times but it's always 250 first uh so for me i i race 250 class for i want to say seven six seven years some guys it's two years some guys it's five it just depends on when you want to move up and our rules are changing where guys are staying longer and things are different.

Speaker 3 But same thing, like there's some guys that are like, why would I move up to the 450 class when I can stay in the 250 class? The competition's not quite as fierce and I'm making six figures still.

Speaker 3 Why would I do that? So it just depends. You know, every guy's journey is a little bit different.
For me, once you win a championship, you can defend the next year.

Speaker 3 And then as soon as you defend, you're out no matter what.

Speaker 3 So as soon as you win, you got one year, then you're gone whether you want to stay or not. So that's what was tough for me in 2022.
That was my year to defend.

Speaker 3 And then I crashed, broke both both my arms. I'm like, fuck,

Speaker 3 back to the couch for a little bit. So that was a bummer.

Speaker 3 I really wanted to defend that year and show those guys that, you know, I earned that championship the year before, but didn't get a chance to do it. So that was a bummer.

Speaker 3 But yeah, into the 450 class now.

Speaker 1 My first bike was a Titan Chopper 1700cc.

Speaker 3 Damn, talk to him.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Let's go.
Shot off the side of the road. Had a lot of juice.
Had a lot of pizzazz. Top end speed was up there.

Speaker 1 Only did it one time and thought to myself, we should not go that fast ever again without it. What is top end speed for the 450cc and then the 250cc? What's the biggest difference?

Speaker 3 I mean, they're probably pretty close. 450 weight, it's a lot heavier, a lot more torque, obviously 200 more CCs, and it's just, it's got more, more bang for your buck on that thing.

Speaker 3 But we're, I mean, top speed is hard because we don't really ever just like straight lines take off, but you're probably, I don't know, if you wanted to go 60, 70, probably down the road, you could.

Speaker 3 But for us, you're never really hitting that. Outdoors, you will, because like I said, those tracks are so spread out and big.
So you're wide open.

Speaker 1 There's a long time.

Speaker 3 You'll show wide open a lot in outdoors. But Supercross, it's so methodical and you're kind of just hopping and jumping around the track and a lot of obstacles.

Speaker 3 Like Supercross, there's just a lot of obstacles. Outdoors, it's more natural, rolling hills everywhere.
But yeah, Supercross, it's pretty tight. We're confined.

Speaker 1 Is that your steel pony right there?

Speaker 3 That's my steel pony right there. We're set up for the, we got the St.
Jude graphics on for this weekend. Pretty cool thing Supercross does with St.
Jude every year.

Speaker 3 So it's pretty cool getting to do this and change the bikes up. They usually don't look like that for the weekends, but yeah.

Speaker 1 How many bikes do you have? How many will you have for the weekend?

Speaker 3 For the weekend, we just have two. You have have this one, they're fickle, right?

Speaker 1 I've heard dirt bikes are very fickle, yeah, very fickle.

Speaker 3 But then we all, everyone will have a backup bike at the truck just in case something crazy happens. You got to switch out real quick.
Uh, but the mechanic, uh, they're on top of it.

Speaker 3 Something happens, something crazy from race to race, they'll be able to change it and get it going. And uh, that'll be my one bike I'll ride all weekend.

Speaker 1 Well, good luck. Let's go.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 I think I'm gold rim, twisted T, all big on the side. Damn, thing looks good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, good. Gorgeous.
Look at you.

Speaker 1 Time. Yeah, we saw

Speaker 1 Twisted T, St. Jude's.
Who are the big sponsors for Supercross?

Speaker 3 For Supercross, this year it's...

Speaker 1 Monster Energy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Monster's the biggest one, I would say.

Speaker 3 But they're just every year, it seems like they gain more and more and more. This team in general is the title sponsors, Twisted T, Progressive Insurance, X Star, and then.

Speaker 3 Yeah, a bunch of stuff involved in Moto, a bunch of other Moto sponsors that, you know, tires, pipes, stuff of the engine, bars, everything like that. So it's pretty head to toe.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to ride that one, right? Is there other bikes out there?

Speaker 3 Get on that damn thing.

Speaker 1 I'll start it up.

Speaker 1 Take off, right? I don't know. Come on, go in here.
I don't want to huff any of that. Oh, we got it.
But

Speaker 1 I would like to ride a dirt bike. I see a lot of bikes out there.
Is it? Yeah, is there? They've brought a crew, right? Two.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think we've got this one, and then the backup bike

Speaker 3 is outside. We got two.

Speaker 3 Any other takers? We hop on this damn thing.

Speaker 1 Well, we need you to go do your thing on it. Don't break your arms here.
I don't want to fucking.

Speaker 3 Hey, we can just rip around the park a lot. We'll do a quick one.

Speaker 1 There's a light pool. There's light poles.
If I was to bring you my dirt bike that I got for Christmas like three years ago that was never able to be turned on,

Speaker 1 you guys would be able to fix that? I'm sure.

Speaker 3 I'll give it to my mechanic, Joe. He's in there right now.
He'll probably get that thing fixed up.

Speaker 1 Joe seemed to, all right, we'll start. Yeah, it's down the street here.
We'll actually bring that over.

Speaker 1 Joe seemed to be thrilled to be here. Is he the one with the big beard?

Speaker 3 Joe has the beard. Yeah, he was very, very excited.
All of us were excited.

Speaker 1 No, Joe was not excited. Big opposite.

Speaker 1 Joe was here to work. Joe was out there.
Oh, yeah. He's fucking bike running this goddamn thing.
Yeah, he was. He's a workhorse.
He was locked in. I mean, it was good beard.

Speaker 1 He was locked in in this dark.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, he said, it was a little bit last minute. I had no idea.
I'm prepping the bike, getting everything ready, and they told me we got to load it up and take it up there.

Speaker 3 He was like, it's great. It was awesome.
but man it was so stressful I'm like

Speaker 3 I was sprinting through the airport this morning so my plane got delayed and I'm like son of a bitch I gotta go I gotta get there well thank you for making it happen both you and Joe we appreciate that oh yeah we made it happen it was awesome I was very excited this is an honor to be here with you boys I'll be I'll be honest it's really cool really really cool we don't have any dirt bikers that's the thing I've never encountered a professional dirt biker in my life for everything I am just blessed how's the culture culture's good culture you guys got good incredible yeah incredible man everything about it like I said the sport in general is growing a lot.

Speaker 3 What we do is, I think it's the greatest sport in the world. It's just awesome.
Like, every weekend, you never know what's going to happen, and that's what makes it so fun.

Speaker 3 Did you play any other sports? Yeah, I played basketball in high school.

Speaker 1 You are pretty good? Yeah. Yeah, koozy? No? Whoa, whoa.
Hey, calm down. Yeah, yeah.
No one's here to calm down.

Speaker 1 No one's koozy. Easy.

Speaker 1 All right, go. We appreciate it.
How tall? What's the tallest, biggest rider? Probably smaller. Tallest rider.
You got to be smaller.

Speaker 3 You got to be usually kind of small. Like my size is very average.
There's a guy though though, that's probably like 6'5, 6'6. Jesus.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's shit.

Speaker 3 He's a unit. Yeah, he's a big boy.

Speaker 1 That's very bad for him, though, right, isn't it?

Speaker 3 In some ways, like, he's got more leverage. That's good sometimes, but sometimes it can be bad.
It depends on the situation. He's heavier on the back.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So more weight is slower than his head.
Hey, you got to be light.

Speaker 3 Power to weight ratio, man. That'll help you.
No doubt.

Speaker 9 God damn it. We could jog the cut of this guy's gym.

Speaker 1 Yeah, me too. Even though he's busted down gluters.
Yeah, but I like

Speaker 1 one of those over. What part of Oklahoma? What part of Oklahoma?

Speaker 3 Muskogee, Oklahoma. Closer to the Arkansas side, right off I-40.

Speaker 1 Nice. Do you pay attention to other sports? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Big Thunder fan. How could I not be?

Speaker 1 Okay, they're rolling right there.

Speaker 3 One in the West. We're chilling.
We are chilling. I'm very excited.
SGA is just like, I'm a huge, huge fan. I think he's awesome.

Speaker 3 He's just balling. He's MVP this year, no doubt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, SGA's name is actually MVP. Oh, that's Michael Greenberg.
That's not me.

Speaker 1 I cannot take credit for that. That is Greeney.

Speaker 3 Oh, 100%.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the other day. All right, Cole.
Well, good luck this weekend. Good luck the rest of the season.
Yeah, thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 Thank you for stopping by and making us much, much smarter in this entire thing.

Speaker 1 We'll pay attention to the clips and we'll watch. It's on Peacock?

Speaker 3 Peacock, yep.

Speaker 1 Live on Peacock every Saturday. Okay, we will watch that.
And I can't wait to hop on one of these bad boys outside.

Speaker 1 It's cold out there, huh? Is it cold? We might need a hoodie or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys wear gloves out there, right?

Speaker 3 Oh, we're full geared up, no doubt. Gloves, helmet, goggles, jersey, pants, boots, the whole thing.

Speaker 1 You're a cup? Shoulder pads. No cup.

Speaker 3 It's the one thing that'll get you. No shoulder pads, but usually like an underprotector or something like that.

Speaker 1 You just want to let the balls.

Speaker 8 How good was Robbie Knievel?

Speaker 3 My boy Robbie Knievel could jump some jumps.

Speaker 1 They were jumping heavy bikes, right? Heavy bikes.

Speaker 1 He's jumping heavy bikes in age.

Speaker 9 He jumped a bike. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 Heavy bikes, though, like Evil Knievel and Robbie, they're jumping heavy bikes, right?

Speaker 1 That's unheard of.

Speaker 3 He's jumping a Harley. You know what I mean? Like, that's not meant to be jumped.
That's not what you want to do.

Speaker 1 Like, RSS is a good thing. Is he just strong or is he crazy?

Speaker 8 What is he?

Speaker 1 How would Ebo and Robbie be able to do that?

Speaker 3 Honestly, both. Yeah, I think he's just nuts.
I would never try to jump a Harley over a bus.

Speaker 1 robbie knievil's a dog yeah absolute dog people forget about robbie i try to remind them they don't even think about evil

Speaker 1 everybody thinks about evil they don't ever think about bob nope come on man

Speaker 1 here's robbie knievil jumping over the grand canyon no problem that looks like a dirt bike yeah light work that's a god he goes on two grand canyons oh no oh no robbie second

Speaker 1 that's possible that's possible got it done hey that's knievel football right there that's more of a proper that's got suspension that's a proper like bike back in the day to do this with.

Speaker 3 Evil Knievel, no suspension, an animal. Like he was jumping, like, I'm going to break myself off, no doubt about it.
I don't give a shit. That was his attitude.

Speaker 1 Robbie Bravo.

Speaker 1 Robbie Bravel,

Speaker 1 he didn't have any. He didn't want anything to do that at all.

Speaker 1 Todd Hansen said Robbie could have hit the brakes. He chose not to, hit a couple bumps.
What you call them? Whoops? Whoops? Whoops? Whoops, whoops. Whoopsie-whoops.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Those are just super cross-only.
So there'll be a stack of nine or 11 whoops. They're just spaced out differently.

Speaker 1 And that's the thing thing you're doing the bop a bop of the bop and a bang oh yeah all right so let's pull up the this is the track i believe for lucas oil stadium that has been on this graphic here in front of me there it is yep is this is the track

Speaker 3 okay so what do we work those quick whoop-de-woos there in the middle that's the one that's going to be the most difficult yeah probably so every weekend that's usually the most challenging that'll catch the most guys off um they're just hard it's a hard obstacle for super cross but uh like i said really wide Long start going to the ever get lost because there's so many different ways you could go.

Speaker 1 Is that why the practice is obviously so?

Speaker 3 No, not necessarily lost, but every now and then you'll come around thinking you're, you know, hit a jump that's blind. You're like, yeah, I'm supposed to go left.
Nope, it's right.

Speaker 3 You know, so you kind of forget sometimes. But for the most part, we do so many laps that it's just, it's so easy.
You have it down, like science.

Speaker 1 What's the average lap time here in Indianapolis?

Speaker 3 We're probably closer to 50 seconds, a little under a minute, 50 seconds, somewhere right there.

Speaker 3 But the track will deteriorate so much, the lap times will go up and it'll get more difficult to go around the track the same speed. You know, it slows down just a little bit as you go.

Speaker 1 And then whenever there's an accident, yellow flag?

Speaker 3 Yellow flag. You can usually still race.
You can still jump the jumps on a yellow. Red cross flag comes out.
That means somebody pulled a Robbie Kineavil. They're down back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he actually broke his leg and a lung there. Yeah.
Punctured a lung and knife.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he did not do good.

Speaker 3 You see a red cross flag. You're rolling.
You got to roll the obstacle. Can't jump it.
You can't like race, so you can't pass anybody.

Speaker 1 Does it stop the clock, the 20 minutes?

Speaker 3 No, it doesn't stop the clock. But if they pull out a red flag, that's whenever you stop the clock.

Speaker 3 The race either restarts completely, you do a staggered start, or the race is over, depending on where you're at in the race.

Speaker 1 So we're going to have 20 minutes of racing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we're going to have 20 hard, tough minutes of racing.

Speaker 1 Let's go. It's gonna be sick.

Speaker 1 Who's got to watch?

Speaker 1 Who's got to watch?

Speaker 3 That I don't know. Guys sitting in the probably the flagger that's sitting there.
As soon as the gate drops, time goes and we take off.

Speaker 3 Can you see a clock as you're going around the there's usually like a big scoring thing and it usually has just like the top five riders and it usually has a clock there so you can kind of see the time.

Speaker 1 Do you have communications to your pit?

Speaker 3 No communications.

Speaker 3 That's something that's been in our sport like talked about for the past few years to have like inner helmet stuff where you could talk with your team or something like that, but we don't have it yet.

Speaker 3 Not for what we're doing.

Speaker 1 Sounds like next year.

Speaker 2 It's going to be hard to know the time just because those jumbo trumps are so small.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Just

Speaker 3 every now and then you can jump up, look up, see a time. I'm like, all right, I got five.

Speaker 1 Just this weekend. Just this weekend.
Just this weekend. They're making fun of Lucas Hole Stadium and they got a little baby jumbo stadium.

Speaker 3 It is. It is tiny, though, I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. You would know.
You travel 17 weeks indoors.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's part of Paul's career, actually. Yeah, I get to see those, and they're a little bit smaller.
But hey, that's the added value of Lucas Hole Street. Sure.
Amen.

Speaker 1 You got to experience it live more. That's right.

Speaker 1 You don't get tempted to look at the jumbo trump because

Speaker 1 eight or nine? They got that window, too, just sitting there.

Speaker 1 There is a window. Blinding you for sure.

Speaker 8 Am I blind the racers? We're going to race at night, though, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. I mean, all the lights are on.
Obviously, everything is super, super lit up in there just like it would be.

Speaker 1 Lights hot. Pitch black race.
Think that'd be cool.

Speaker 1 We'd like to do one of those in here, actually. Glow in the dark.
We want a 450cc inside the Thunderdome pitch black race. 20 minutes.
I don't know if any of you are going to make it. Donuts.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I'm in for that one. I'll watch you boys participate in in that one and see.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck you, Colt. You're supposed to be the right guy.
Do it outside. Do it over there.

Speaker 1 Okay, Colt. Good luck this weekend.
Good luck the rest of the way.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to see these things in action, both outside and at the stadium, whether it's this trip or the next one. You guys are here all the time.
We are lucky to host that.

Speaker 1 Know that the city of Indianapolis is very thankful that you guys come. It is packed downtown.

Speaker 1 I mean, it is

Speaker 1 wonderful for the city, and obviously it's electrifying. Why don't you go win that thing, Colt?

Speaker 1 Come on, Colt. Let's do it.
I would love to. I would love to.

Speaker 3 Thank you, boys.

Speaker 1 One up by Saturday night yeah let's do it

Speaker 1 you do it yeah let's

Speaker 1 do it us we hey you stay right there hold on hold on hold on don't leave yet fair enough is a team sport thing i don't know if you guys do this

Speaker 1 we're not gonna do that no come on we had a great week we hope you did as well we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living boys in a back great work this week

Speaker 1 graphics department way to go boys

Speaker 1 Mitt's really been picking up some jobs here. Yeah.
Mitt's been picking up some jobs this week, which we appreciate. Talks the table way to go this week.
You too, you angler.

Speaker 2 You too, man. Yeah, I'm gonna get back.
We get back on that leg.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you talked that.

Speaker 1 You talked that on this. I love that.
Check that out, Coat. Can you touch that coat? I love it.

Speaker 1 You're an angler. You're from Oklahoma.
You fish?

Speaker 3 Hey, every now and then. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Win and Rome.

Speaker 1 Hunt, fish.

Speaker 3 A little bit of hunting, a little bit of fishing.

Speaker 1 I don't go back to Oklahoma very often.

Speaker 3 When I do, my buddy, that's all he does.

Speaker 1 You're still a country fuck. This is the man you're sitting with.

Speaker 1 I don't know if she's.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Take that in.

Speaker 2 Let's call a championship right there.

Speaker 1 Toyota.

Speaker 1 Shout out. He did not know.
Got my Corolla outside.

Speaker 1 I love it. That's actually Mr.
Van Dam, the greatest fisherman of all time.

Speaker 1 Great work this week, talks to Table. You too, Africa.
Right back at you. One half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Ballpark boys, ball cap boys. Boys.

Speaker 1 Boys, maybe. AP Tone.
Hey, great work this week. You debuted a new you.
Yeah, Mick Tone.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 1 He put a cowboy hat in the middle of COVID because he was a COVID cowboy.

Speaker 1 And this is the week he decided not to wear it every single day. So then he decided he needs to throw it back on for a Friday.

Speaker 1 I think mostly because he did not love having to be a ball cat boy there for a few days. I think he's falling in love with the cowboy hat.

Speaker 3 It looks good on you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it. Damn.
That's an Oklahoma thing. Yeah.
Why don't you wear it? Why don't you wear a twisted tattoo?

Speaker 3 We got a guy that runs a cowboy hat 24-7. It's like his thing.
He's known as Cowboy. Aaron Plesinger.
He rocks the

Speaker 3 cowboy hat.

Speaker 2 He's a dog. Great mullet.

Speaker 1 And he's great, great. I think I follow him on socials.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He's a good, good dude.

Speaker 1 He's the man. So you don't want to bite his gimmick? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're from Oklahoma. They fucking wear cowboy hats.
I know, I know.

Speaker 3 He already had that thing, though. So I was like, where's he from? I can't just come in throwing the cowboy hat on.
I feel like I'm copying AP.

Speaker 1 I understand. I understand.
You're trying to build your own brain.

Speaker 1 I'm going to break both of my fucking arms, Aaron, doing that.

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 New friend of the program, Colt Nicholas. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you, guys. Thank you, Colt.

Speaker 1 All right. We're going to get the hell out of here and enjoy the weekend.
We'll see you on Monday. It's going to be a great show.
A lot of shit is about to happen.

Speaker 1 Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. We're in this thing together.
Never forget it. Team on me.
Team on three.

Speaker 1 One, two, three.

Speaker 1 There it is. Okay.
Goodbye.

Speaker 3 I was late.

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