PMS 2.0 1287 - Chuck Pagano, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, JJ Watt, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble the Boat, the Thunderdome, on this Coach Andy Reid Wednesday, January 29th, 2025. This program starts now.
Football! It's wonderful, and today we have a lot of great football conversations right around the corner. We have Chuck Pagano joining us in about 10 minutes.
Yes, Chuck Pagano, the former head coach of the Indianapolis Colts,

a man who had spent 36 years of his life coaching football, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL. Now it is official.
He'll be back coaching with the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, Carl.
This news was broke yesterday. We will obviously miss the hell out of Chuck Pagano on this particular program, but we're incredibly happy that he's back in the game, in the sport, in the league that he loves.
We'll chat with him in about nine minutes or so to see how this decision come about. Was it because he hated Connor so bad? Is it because he hated this or is it because he missed the game? All these football guys, all of them, basically have a yearning to get back in the game.
That's why you're seeing 70 plus year olds get head coaching jobs. That's why you're seeing Bill Belichick go back to UNC.
That's why you're seeing Chuck, who is at the age of 64, going to be a senior secondary coach because they just love it. They can't live without it.
I think we were able to scratch the itch for Chuck there for a bit when he would travel out here, experience a little bit of team. But now he's getting back into a building, back into a program, back into a franchise that he knows very well and respects very well and i cannot wait to see how he does over there so you know if you count kyle van noy which kyle would like us to do as such and then you obviously do the math with lombo and and bill and now chuck it does feel as if a lot of the people that we talk to on a regular basis are getting jobs back in the sport that they love of football.
And we would like to say we're incredibly proud of them. Congrats to all the boys getting back out there.
The toxic tables here at Boston, Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Con, man, do you think this is your fault potentially? Yeah, a little bit.
But also, you know, that old man, he doesn't want to be home. You know, we've heard what he does at home.
And sure, fleeting moments of very very fun syrup filled adventures but I feel like in this sense Charles just loves the game I mean Pagano I believe his his brother used to coach there or is still there one of them's in Washington I'm not sure if he's still in Baltimore or not but it does feel as though it is one of those situations where Chuck just loves coaching ball I mean he would get going here when he would start talking about the games, and it feels like now that he's back with Baltimore, who he mentioned recently, hey, this team can win it all, the secondary, all of it. It's just a perfect situation for Chuck.
It is exciting to add Coach Chuck Pagano to our defensive staff and continue to develop and grow our young, talented secondary. Chuck brings a wealth of knowledge, experience, and coaching talent to our our team he has deep ties to the program and is excited to get to work let's go to nine-year NFL vet and a man who played every position in the secondary corner safety and nickel host of everything DB good D bad D Darius J Butler D butch you obviously played for a team that Chuck Pagano was the head coach and obviously he and you had great moments together on the film room on the field in practice you get it what are the baltimore ravens getting out of this old ass man who's now a senior secondary coach a guy who loves ball and he never you know he's one of those guys who never leaves the game even when he was here he was still you know looking over the injury report and the weather and the refs and all the different intricate details that guys would do or wouldn't do when they were on TV.
He still had that coaching itch. I'm glad he got back in there being a senior DB coach.
I'm not sure exactly what that title will be, but I'm glad that he's back in the building doing what he loves to do. He's 64 years old.
The secondary coach is 60 years old. Jeez Louise.
So I don't know know if that's a junior four years is enough to be a junior and a senior will he be calling the other guy a junior uh will he be called senior around the building we don't know what all his job title will be but we will chat with him in about six seven minutes which leads us to 12 year nfl veteran super bowl champion player coach is he going to get back into the coaching ranks whoa A.Q. is here you know there's some coaching staffs that still need to be filled are you thinking about getting the whistle in the uh in the visor back out and maybe going to coach a little ball again AQ I am not those uh that itch is not scratching anywhere on my body at all you don't have that itch is what you're saying yeah that's exactly right I have no ambition whatsoever to get back into it right now all the words are in there but the message you know where yeah you do not have the itch to get back into coaching go you're okay with not having to fix printers and fax machines at about 5 a.m.
in the morning and all that not one bit Chuck's going into a senior role senior secondary role I think obviously his respect for John Harbaugh is a big deal John Harbaugh's respect for for him is a big deal. But I think all the things that D-Bud talked about were, the amount of notes he was taking, he was still acting as if he was a coach.
Just like Bill Belichick has been acting like he's still a coach. Just like Lombardi for the last year has been acting like he's a general manager.
These guys can't get away. They can't, and they focus on the things other than just the tape.
I think DB and I love to watch the tape but i'm not checking the weather i'm not checking the stats i'm not checking the injury report i'm not doing that i'm just watching the tape i like to watch the tape i like to break down ball i like to break down everything and all the different schemes and stuff like that but he's doing that and he was literally focusing like he's the head coach or like he's running a room that's real he really has been like he joined that 33rd team because they get a call every single Wednesday with the lead officials to know what the point of emphasis is going to be for this. Like all these guys, you know, and they try to be cool whenever they want.
I'm going to go and join my family. It'll be fun.
I'm going to join my family. I'm going to be grandpa, you know, that my grandkids always wanted.
And it's like, no, you're not. No, you're not.'re not you're an old dog you're a senior dog you literally have no chance to uh learn new tricks they i think there's like a week maybe i think there's like a two-week period where they're like kind of hands off and that's the same amount of time basically in the summer when they get off they're able to turn off but once that gets into like three weeks four weeks a month they just go right back into their old routines and they can't help themselves you know we've been telling chuck and i've been talking to chuck off air a lot about when are you getting back into this when are you getting back into this thing and he he was looking at some of the head coaching candidates or coordinator positions he was like maybe i maybe i should maybe now is the time i incredibly, like, fascinated by when he thought was going to be the time.
Like, last year did he think was the time, but he wanted to delay it, you know? And how's Miss Tina feel about him getting back in it? He's going to say that she loves it because he's out of her hair yet again in this entire thing. But I am pumped to kind of get the mindset behind Chuck getting back into the gig.
I was going to say you nailed it on the head. Listen, it sounds great.
You want to spend a lot of time with your family. You want to be at home a lot.
Speaking from experience, I love my wife. I love her.
Love. A weekend.
I need a break. She needs a break.
Like, we need to be apart at some point. You guys have not been married long enough, I think.
Ten years. We're on ten years almost.
Wow. Jackie.
Wow. Yeah.
But I would like to say congratulations to both of you for that. But it is, that's a very normal thing.
Like, I think military relationships are similar. You know, any job that involves like people being away and then coming back.
And then whenever it's all of a sudden you're back in there, the family like harmony is just, the house harmony is just complete. So what? So now you're just here? Right.
That's okay. We've had this thing figured out for 20, 30 years.
Now you're going to drop in. You got all the answers? I don't think so.
And I think that plays into a part of it as well. I think it's just, I think it's good for Chuck's soul that he's got back out there.
Now, before we get Chuck, let's talk about another coach. Older coach has made a decision.
Mike McCarthy, Yinzer, former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and obviously the Green Bay Packers. He has pulled his name out of contention for the New Orleans Saints gig.
So has Cliff Kingsbury. But the reason why Cliff Kingsbury is a little bit different than Mike McCarthy, Cliff Kingsbury is still getting a head coaching contract.
He's still getting paid from a guaranteed salary. Everybody was trying to compare Cliff to like Ben Johnson, all these other people.
He's still getting paid from Arizona. Cliff is still getting a big old paycheck.
So he's going to stay with Washington. Mike McCarthy now has a year off.
What's Big Mike going to do next year? Maybe he? Yeah. Maybe he joins the program.
I don't know how he feels about us. I don't think I've ever got a chance to chat with him.
He is a yinzer. So he, you know, was raised on the same waters that we were around here.
But Big Mike McCarthy point out, why do you think this is, Todd?

Do you think he wants to take a year break?

Do you think he looked at the situation in New Orleans and said,

this is not a desirable thing for me to potentially get into?

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, we had Shefty on a couple days ago, and usually he wouldn't say something like that.

But he was like, let's be frank, this isn't the greatest situation.

Or maybe it wasn't Shefty.

Someone said that very recently to us. Maybe it was Dan Orlovsky said it actually yesterday.
He said, you look at their cap situation, they kicked the can down the road, down the road, down the road, and now it's here. Mike McCarthy will have opportunities next year again.
They don't know what's going on with Derek Carr. They're kind of in that position where a full rebuild is kind of coming there soon.
So I don't know if you would want to go from the Cowboys job where it's like you have all this scrutiny. If he's going to be one of those top line guys next year, which we assume he will be, being a former Super Bowl champion and getting Dak to play the best football of his career, it actually worked out pretty well for him last time.
He took a year off. He did the McCarthy project.
He duped Tom Pelissero. He was in his basement or in his bar doing all that stuff.
Why not? Because we have no idea what jobs are going to become available next year. What if the Dolphins job becomes available or something like that? You have no idea what situations might be a lot more desirable than New Orleans, so why not take a year off? One half of the hammer, Don Cowboys' Bubba Gumpino nodded his head yes back there.
What's that all about? I mean, it's a make-or-break year for McDaniel. We all know that.
You know, you got to win a playoff game. You promised us you were going to win one this year on the show.
Came on here, told me you were going to do it. Didn't do it.
We got to win one. 25 fucking years.
Okay. We got to win a playoff game.
Okay, so Ty, you say maybe the Dolphins open up. Gumpy's back there saying, yep, it is going to be up.
But there's numerous jobs every single year. Seven to ten.
Right. Six to ten every single year.
Mike McCarthy, we assume, will get an opportunity in the next coaching cycle, which is what he's assuming as well. Good luck to him.
I hope he enjoys his life. And we will certainly be reaching out to see if he would like to join us one day a week.
We have some openings, you know, because some people have gone back into the game that they love. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who I was incredibly lucky to have as a head coach at the Indianapolis Colts, a man that we have all become very close friends with, and a man now who is the senior secondary coach for the Baltimore Ravens.
Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Chuck Pagano. Yeah, Coach! Coach, how you doing? What's up, boys? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Look at this guy, he's glowing! Wow. This is just like whenever we had Bill on that first week after he signed back with UNC.
You could tell that his life was full again. It was like he was the happiest he had been.
Chuck, congratulations on on the ravens gig my first question would be when did you start to kind of consider to get back into coaching you know we've chatted ad nauseum about and we started the show with you know you football guys this is kind of what your life is it is ball you've been acting as if you're a head guy basically this entire time you've been retired you show up here you have three notebooks full of notes. You're in calls early in the morning with the 33rd team.
You've been acting as if you're still in the league while you've been out of it. But when did you decide, you know what, maybe I should be getting back into this thing? Probably the day I retired.
I walked away in 2020, to be honest. I've always thought about it, Pat, and, you know, being around you guys and doing the gig with you and the 33rd team and then hanging around, you know, Boise State, the coaches here, you know, Pat, it's always been in the back of my mind.
It just had to be, you know, the perfect situation. And, you know, obviously, you know, I'm very, very familiar with that organization.
That had a ton to do with it. The role is absolutely perfect.
You know, I'm really not dying to be a head coach again and have all that responsibility, a coordinator, all the pressure that comes with that. Just an opportunity in this role to go help, you know, John and this organization and that defensive staff, Zach Orr.
They've got a great staff over there. So the role was important.
Obviously, people. People matter.
You know, I know the people in that organization from the top down. It's the gold standard, Steve Bishotti, Ozzie, who's the, you know, was the GM, Eric DaCosta, who's now the GM, John Harbaugh, the staff, everybody in that building.
I know all those people. Not much has changed.
So it always comes down to people. Right, Pat? Just like the people you have there.
And, the last thing that will pull you off the couch is opportunity to win and win it all. They built a phenomenal roster, as we know, right? We've been watching them.
They are a wagon from top to bottom. Eric and John and that personnel staff, that coaching staff, they built one hell of a roster.
They've got a bunch of dudes on both sides of the ball and special teams. So those things, all those things we just chatted about, yeah, I've never really stopped.
I think you probably knew that. The boys probably knew that.
You could feel that. But this opportunity was just too good to pass up.
Okay, we're incredibly happy for you. And you're you're right you did never stop and it is funny to hear you like the day i stepped away was the day i was like i regret this i regret this how am i going to survive you have done a fantastic job with us you've done a fantastic job with your family and i wonder you know because you just talked about nobody you know the same names basically being there in baltimore watching Knocks in season.
Was that something through there? Because they were back in that Baltimore building, back in the Ravens practice facility. Is that the reason that you maybe, did you reach out to John? Or how did kind of the conversations begin with you and Hardball? We have always stayed in touch, Pat.
You know, via text message, a call here and there, holidays, family, you know, very close with John. And it's funny, I texted him last week and I was texting for a friend, a fellow coach that was out and looking, you know, for an opportunity.
You know, so I reached out text John says hey, I've got a name for you

potential, you know for an opportunity um you know so i i reached out text john says hey i've got a name for you uh potential you know spot on on your defensive staff that you have open um a and i was traveling back it was last thursday right after the show pat so i was at the airport and i was getting ready to get on a plane so he says hey i'll call you back in a sec and i said hey i'm, I'm getting on a plane. Can we talk tomorrow? So talk on Friday.

Talk about this potential candidate, whatever.

And then the question comes up, hey, how you doing?

You good?

You itching a little bit?

You feeling like, you know, maybe there's, you know,

want to get back in in some capacity? And so a conversation started, led to a Zoom call yesterday, talked a lot of ball for a long time, talked about a lot of things. And it just came out of nowhere, really.
You know, and very, very grateful that John would give me this opportunity to go back to a place where, like, when I went to Baltimore in 08 with him his first year, that organization, that franchise, the success that we had, you know, as a DB coach and then a defensive coordinator in my final season, Pat, it changed the whole trajectory of my career. I mean, it changed everything.
You know, we lose a heartbreaker in that AFC championship game, and the next thing you know, you're sitting at a desk, and you get an opportunity to be the head coach of the Colts. So I owe that organization a ton.
Okay, so let's talk about your role that you came in to be. Hey, Koush has a question for you, Coach.
Coach, congrats. We're all pumped for you.
But a quick question, right? So whenever this whole thing came about, just want to know what senior assistant second – are you guys going to be working – are you specifically with the safeties and he's with the corners or are you guys going to be working as a team or vice versa? Yeah, great question. You know, because you want to go in on these things with a ton of clarity and take out as much great and cues as possible, right, on, okay, what that role looks like.
They have, you know, secondary coaches right now. Chris Hewitt is the, you know, pass game coordinator, secondary coach.
Doug Mallory, coaches in the secondary. Both long-time, long-time veteran coaches.
Know shit ton of ball, obviously. Know the back end end I get an opportunity to go in um fill a role in the back end where like okay like how how can I how can I mentor how can I help what can I add uh to this go through the things very familiar with the scheme obviously that scheme AQ has not changed for the, 100 years, it seems like.
You know, that thing has been attacked. There's been coordinator after coordinator after coordinator, but the nuts and bolts of that scheme have not changed.
So, it's an opportunity for me to go in and, hey, what do you need? What do you need me to do? You know, how can I help you guys develop these players? They've got phenomenal players back there. We know that.
The Kyle Hamiltons of the world, Marlon Humphrey, Brandon Stevens, you know, our Darius, phenomenal job. They've got a bunch of dogs.
Nate Wiggins is a rookie out of Clemson after his first year. Very promising.
So a ton of great players and an opportunity just to contribute and help build. How's Miss Tina feel about this, getting you back out of the house, back into a facility? She's loving it, I assume.
Yeah, she's fired up. And now, you know, yesterday, but now you wake up 2.30 in the morning again and the wheels are spinning.
And now, God, I've got all this stuff to do, all this response, but whatever. Like, we've got to get things in order.
She's jacked up. Four of the best years, again, that we had as a family, you know, was in Baltimore, that 08 to 2011 stretch path.
So she's fired up. Yeah, it's just a phenomenal place.
There's a lot of familiar faces for her as well from a coaching staff perspective, wives, those kind of things. So she's excited.
This thing's in order here. We got everything in order.
So it's like, I'm going to move out of here, Pat, and get myself a little flat you know hopefully close to little italy used to hang out there a lot in baltimore okay i mean they they've got some freaking amazing spots down there right wow i didn't know and give me a little spot she'll come back and forth but you know she's not going to be lonely my kids, I'm sure they're going to be moving in here pretty quick.

As soon as I am out the door.

Yeah.

Well,

I appreciate that.

Obviously out there in Boise,

you've got a beautiful place,

beautiful view,

beautiful life.

Heading back to Baltimore,

a place you know well,

maybe you'll be near little Italy.

Maybe you'll be near Jimmy's famous seafood.

Who said you'll never have to pay for another crab cake.

Take them up on that offer for sure.

Absolutely.

Yes.

Every night,

maybe. Especially if Miss Tina's not there.
We'll take crab Cage every single night from Jimmy's, make sure that's delivered. Yeah, you know what they say, you know, if it's free, give me three.
You know? All right, let's pivot away from the Ravens in Baltimore. Dee Butch has a question for you.
Congrats again, Coach. I know this is the game that you're trying to get to now, but I'm going to ask you about the Super Bowl because I know you've been grinding tape and watching these games.
Which one of these defenses do you think has the edge going into this big game with the Eagles and the Chiefs? That's a great defense. I think we got, obviously, everybody's been talking about Spags and the Hall of Fame career that he's had and what he's done, you know, in Kansas City for a long, long time and over a great career.
Vic Fangio bringing, shoot, you look at Philly, right? The numbers from a year ago till now, I mean, almost dead last in categories to leading the league and scoring deep or second in scoring defense. You know, number one in yards allowed.
I mean the development of Cooper DeGene, Quinion Mitchell, the job that Howie has done bringing the playmakers in there. So I think this is going to be a phenomenal game.
I don't think, you know, the last time we saw these two play, Dee Butts and the Super Bowl, you know, we had a high-scoring affair. I think 38-35, you know, was the final, and KC got the edge there.
We've got a lot of offensive and great talent on that side, but I think these two defenses, I think, you know, we've talked long and hard. AQ has talked long and hard about this offensive line for Kansas City, the woes that they have.
I think they've got that pretty much solidified, you know, with Thune there at left tackle. But these animals, these freaks that Philly has up front, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, you know, sweat off one end, Nolan Smith off the other, you know, Zach Bond.
I mean, they're just incredible. They're playing at a high level.
So be very, very interested to see. We always talk about the trenches, right? Can Kansas City block that front? Because Vic's normally four-man rush with pressure, right? Deploy seven into coverage, you know, and make you earn everything down the field.
Great in the red area. Can they block this front? And then vice versa, you know, Jalen Hurts, you know, Spags, he's going to come in and say, hey, look, 26 ain't beating our ass.
Andy Reid's going to tell that team, 26 ain't getting us. So we're going to allocate as much resources necessary to stop him, and it's going to have to come down to Jalen Hurts' arm, Jalen Hurts' legs, and A.J.
Brown and Devontae Smith got her down the middle of the field. I look for a great matchup in base defense with McDuffie following A.J.
Brown around and then obviously on third down nickel situation, he goes into the slot so there's going to be some great matchups to watch. Jalen Hurts said they took the straight jacket off and let him spin it a little bit in the NFC Championship.
He was, hey, he had it tied up. He was like Houdini, he got out of that thing.
I don't know Houdini always got out, didn't he? Every time. Every time.
Not every time. Yeah.
What do you call that thing he was wearing, Pat? Walking into the stadium and stuff? You're talking about the Kangol? He had the Kangol on.

Man, that thing.

I wonder if I could get away with one of those. Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

That is what you should be wearing every single week, actually,

is the Ravens.

Imagine him walking in.

Stoke.

Kangol.

Oh, my God.

Jumpsuit, maybe.

Just a sweatsuit like Adidas with three stripes on it.

Oh, the Italian-ness would be oozing from Coach Pagano. Yeah, can go on top there.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I can...
I may stick to that commendatory, that Leone commendatory, that Italian suit. I'll have to break that out.
Yeah, all of them. I didn't know there was a Little Italy in Baltimore.
Me either. That makes sense.
Blue-collar town would have Italians in the house. Every big city, Pat, has a Little Italy, believe it or not.
And this one, unbelievable. I believe the Italians would certainly work their way in there.
Especially if there's water nearby. Yeah, need the water.
That's the only place you see these damn Italians. That's a good thing, not a bad thing.
That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Speaking of Italians, a man that's going to miss you, Connor has a question for you.
Yeah, Chuck, congratulations again. Both of our lives got so much better because I don't have to see you anymore.
Jeez. What did you think about the Josh Allen tush push and kind of the whole refs conversation on the marking of the football throughout the game? Because both refs multiple times were coming in neither a few times they weren't really lining up on the same exact spot how'd you feel about that and what do you think about kind of just the dialogue around the referees in general with kansas city because it's getting loud about the entire thing well they certainly didn't help themselves to quiet the narrative con man and i'm gonna miss the hell out of you know that you know i love you cheers coach i loved our bantering back and forth i'm gonna miss the hell out of you so um yeah the tush put number one you know you got a 250 pound quarterback i don't see how you cannot execute this play just look at the tape tape from Philly, right, and mimic.
But obviously, you know, KC was on their P's and Q's. You look at all those, you know, those sneaks by Josh.
He loved going over the left side, right, the offensive left to the defensive right. They obviously were dialed into that.
As far as this call goes, you know, the mechanics were jacked up. Con man, the mechanics were jacked up con man the mechanics were were jacked up you see these two uh lines like the headlinesman is up top and then the down judge is down at the bottom right so they're walking in the guy up top has the view of the football he can see the football the guy at the bottom coming in look at that right there if you punch the ball is he's screened from the ball he's got the back numbers of josh allen there he can't see it the guy on the on the top of the screen he's got a clear view of that and so what's got to happen right there i don't know if that guy up top has a view of it either short he over pat override it walk in there and you see old boy down at the bottom i've got the clear view of the ball so you say no no no sir so he goes like this you know how they go like this can you see me yeah move move move the chains he's got to override that and all of a sudden he bows down to the guy at the bottom for some reason.
So a total breakdown in mechanics. That should have been a first down, in my opinion.
Okay. Well, I appreciate the fact that that is how you see it.
I think a lot of people saw it the same way. I think also it's very, as you know, as somebody who spent a lot of time with the officials and replay and everything like that, you would actually be correcting on that that was never going to get overturned whatever was called on the field was going to remain the call in that particular situation Kincaid potentially picked up the first down the play before that and it's the Chiefs so you know obviously the refs are going to be working in the Chiefs favor even though there's some calls probably that Chiefs fans say well what about this about this? What about this? What about this? Whatever the case, whenever you win all the time, people are going to assume that you're getting assistance because everybody's trying to win, just like the Baltimore Ravens are going to be trying to get to the top of Lombardi Mountain.
Ty has one last question for you here. Yeah, Coach, I'll reiterate what everyone else has said.
Congratulations. Going to miss having you around here.
From the last time you coached, obviously you beat cancer. You get to be around your family more.
You see your grandkids grow up a little bit. Do you think your temperament slash your outlook on life or philosophy in general, has that changed? Or are you still going to get after people's asses out there? Or do you think your coaching style and the way you're going to go about things is going to change considering everything that's happened to you since the last time you coached in the league hey ty anytime you go through you know circumstances and adversity and and life-changing you know moments um the minute i never really have taken you know, any day for granted, any opportunity that I've had, Ty, but walking out of that hospital, the doc coming in and say, you're in remission, you can go home, you're gonna have to spend a couple more months, whatever.
Yeah, it just, it just gave me greater appreciation and greater perspective. And Pat will tell you this, you know, and D-Bots will tell you, AQ, if I didn't said it once, I said it twice, right? We're playing and coaching a kid's game, okay? It's a privilege and not your right to play and coach in a national football league.
And every day we get, not one of these days is guaranteed. Nothing is promised.
And that's why we wake up today. We got another Wednesday.
Hey, let's kick the living shit out of this Wednesday. And then when we get another day, when Thursday comes, if we get it, we're lucky enough.
Let's have great enthusiasm for that day. Let's kick the hell out of that Thursday.
Yeah, am I going to, you know, get after it? You got to coach these guys, right?

We're going to hold guys accountable, you know, do it the right way, build relationships,

you know, build them up, point out the thing. Hey, what did you see on this, Kyle? Hey, Marlon,

what did you see on the butts? We used to ask butts all the time, butts. What did you see?

Why did we do what we did? What was the coming? And then when it, when it time for, you know,

as long as you build those relationships ties and there's mutual respect and trust and love there then then you can you can pull a guy in an office behind closed doors and have a healthy conversation that's couldn't be uncomfortable but you know full of you know forthright and and honesty and all those kind of things. So I can't wait, Ty and you guys, to get over there.

I'm headed there on Monday.

And this is, like, I've had some other things come by, you know,

and you just, they don't feel the same, right?

You just know in your gut, like, no, I don't think this is the right.

But this one, I mean, just check all the boxes, right? Very, very grateful for this opportunity. All right, well, good luck.
Enjoy it. And let the boys over there know we like them.
Yeah. You know, we like them.
Keith Van Nooy, obviously been on the program numerous times. Nobody really else from the Ravens.
If you could help us build that relationship over there, we would appreciate it. We would appreciate it.
Done. Done.
Okay, good. Done deal.
And if your secondary sucks, hashtag journalistic standards, we got to do what we got to do. Coming in.
Stand on business. That's right.
We got to do what we got to do. Accountability and honesty, right? You guys got to do your journalism, so call it like you see it.
Hey, we all know what bad ball looks like. Don't look right.
Don't taste right. Don't smell right.
It sticks out like you know what. So when we got bad ball going on, I expect you guys to be honest and forthright and say, hey, tighten that shit up, coach.
Yeah, exactly. All right, we will say that.
Until then, we we'll say congrats we're so happy for you

ladies and gentlemen the new last thing you know how much i love you pat you know how much i love the boys this has been you know a life's game changer for me being on this all the grants that you've i know you don't like this thing but when i said like on that reel you said you got me dying laughing. You me in tears it was just incredible you know but it was my wife you know my family and all kinds of things right great perspective and appreciation for what we have but I am so grateful and please please have me on you know every now and then No.
You want me to put on the waffle?

You want me to do whatever?

Please, if I still get a chance to come on from time to time,

I would greatly appreciate that.

Never again.

Never again.

You have no idea what you've done for me, Pat, and your boys.

I'd do anything for you guys.

You know that.

We love you, Coach.

We appreciate you.

We love you, Coach.

We've been very thankful that you chose to hang out with us for so long. You're the man.
You're going to do great. We love you, man.
Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Pagano. Yeah.
Love you, Coach. Happy for him, man.
Yeah, it's awesome. Oh, yeah.
I'm very happy for him. It's cool.
Miss Tina staying in Boise, going over to Baltimore. Let's clean this place up a little, Chuck.
Jesus. Then going back there.
John Harbaugh works out every single day. So does Chuck on a Peloton.
Excited to see what they do. Wish they would have done hard knocks with Chuck in that building.
I know. Just so you could see him every day.
Whenever he said, who can I help, how can I help, is basically his job. How does that normally work in the secondary room, D-Butch? A lot of times it's two coaches.
It'll be like a safeties coach, corners coach maybe. I know over the last probably 10 years or so some teams even have like a nickels coach.
So I'm sure they'll probably separate it. So like different drills, different teams, different things.
But it's usually split like that. Let's stay in the family.
Coach Tom McMahon will remain the special teams coordinator for the Las Vegas Raiders. Pete Carroll keeps Tom McMahon, whose son is obviously Mitt, who

works here at the Thunderdome. Tom

McMahon was my special teams coordinator at the

Indianapolis Colts. I have a lot of love for him.

He is massively successful

at what he does. He's about this tall.

Literally. Small guy.

A little sawed-off piece of

energy. That guy loves special

teams, though. Loves ball.
They've got a lot

of great players over there, so I'm happy he will continue his career with the raiders and uh matt eberflus officially defense coordinator for the dallas cowboys wow congrats to eberflus getting the gig he was with the dallas cowboys he was supposed to come up to the indianapolis colts with josh mcdaniels josh mcdaniels turns the plane around eberflus stays with the indianapolis colts as the dc didn't even have a head coach yet frank reich becomes the head coach keeps eberflew's dc for the colts eberflew does such a great job with that defense whenever they were you know good you know the players were great fun to have in the city you know accountable those of things. Then he goes up to Chicago, becomes a head coach up there.
That goes how it goes. He goes back to Dallas now.
I'm very pumped for him to get that gig. What's this mean for Zim? That means Zim is available out there? Yeah, because he was on there.
I forget who said it. I think it was Schefter as well.
He was also on a one-year deal last year because of the McCarthy deal. Okay, so maybe Liam Cohen down there in Duval has the opportunity to bring in Zim as the DC.
The more you watch that, the more you realize his face knew he was fucking up. Both eyebrows were like, what are we doing? The one eyebrow, and then later the second eyebrow comes and goes,

what are you doing?

What county is Jacksonville Jaguars in?

Duval.

Goober Tuesday has fed into Andy Reid Wednesday.

We'll have Andy Reid in the next hour.

Liam Cullen might be the next Andy Reid.

You're right, too.

If we know anything about Zim, I'm sure they would get along great. That seems like a match made in heaven.
What are you saying? I'm saying Zim might beat the shit out of that guy in the first AOTAs. There's a chance.
We don't know that. He might spit some beech nut right in his eye and say, I'm not listening to you.
Love to spit some beech nut in that dude's eyes and the Zim boy can survive. The Zim boy can survive.
There is a chance. Liam Cohen, though, gets along with people.
Here's him dapping up the Jacksonville Jaguars as they were coming into the facility after he was named head coach. First, Trevor Lawrence.
Looks like he's recovering from surgery. Hope he's okay.
Looks like he's going to be all right. Liam Cohen says, what's up, Trev? It's my wife, Ashley, here.
Keep her off camera. We don't like the glitz and glamour.
Thanks. Thanks, social media team.
Then he daps up the rest of the boys there. Good, clean daps, I will say, with everybody, which kind of goes into, you know, he didn't say much to Gabe Davis, kind of skipped right over him, and Gabe Davis is going to be a weapon for the Jags.
I would assume Liam Cohen knows that. But remember, Baker likes him.
Offensive linemen like him. Mike Evans likes him.
Seems like the guys he coaches like him, which is what we have to remember when we want to judge him immediately. A.Q., you were not here for Goober Tuesday when we were talking about him being the head coach in Jacksonville.
What are your thoughts on Liam Cohen? Seems like a big goofball. It sounds like the players like him, but it sounds like he's rubbing a lot of coaches and front office people the wrong way.
So, not sure how that's going to go. What do you mean by that, pal? Well, I mean, it sounds like the front office clearly is irate.
In Tampa, that's one place. A front office at Jacksonville loves them.
The biggest thing, right, in the NFL is communication, right? You have to be able to communicate. And so, as a head coach, there's going to be a lot of tough conversations, right? A lot of tough conversations, whether you cut a guy, whether it's making a decision to promote or elevate or demote somebody, right? You have to be able to do that.
You have to answer the call. You have to make the call.
You have to look the person in the eye. You have to have these things.
It doesn't sound like there's a lot of that right now. So I hope it goes great for him.
I didn't hear you. What are you talking about? What do talking about? What do you mean? Is this from your source? It is.
No, this is from, yeah, kind of, but it's also kind of what we read, right? The fact that he didn't answer a single phone call the whole next day to anybody from Tampa. I was getting an interview down in Jacksonville.
If you just have a simple conversation about, listen, hey, I got an opportunity to be a head coach, make $14 million a year. You don't think anybody in that building is going to understand? That's a life-changing opportunity.
Sure, man. Just have the conversation.
Okay, just have the convo is all he's saying, Con, man. Yeah, he did his entire thing about honesty.
I assume that he had the convo, just maybe not with the right people, and then the people who didn't have the convo with Liam in Tampa might have said, like, hey, what the hell, man? Call. Ty, have you changed your thoughts on what Liam Cohen's going to be? Because we as a collective unit said we are going to reserve judgment because we have no idea what coach is going to be good, what coach is going to be bad.
There's coaches we thought were going to be absolute ass, turn out to be pretty damn good. There's coaches we thought were going to be great, turn out to be absolute ass.
You yesterday made a decision on Liam Cohen. Do you want to take that back now? I don't think I'm ready to do that quite yet.
We'll see. I could be dead wrong, and if that day comes, say I'll hand up.
Because he is. He's a great offensive play caller, and he's a great offensive mind.
But again, he's not just talking to the offense. He's got the defense now.
And again, we mentioned it. Who is going to fill out this staff? We're very late in the game here.
It seems like all of these guys who, like, have a bunch of experience and are great coaches. Not that there aren't great coaches everywhere in the NFL, but, like, who else is going to be on this guy's staff? He's a first-time head coach still, and he's only got five years of NFL coaching experience.
And who's going to be the GM? Like, there's more than just call and plays. Like, there's a lot that goes into being a head coach from everyone we've talked to.
It's like, hey, you don't realize how much shit's on your plate until you get that job, and then it's like, whoa, I have to do more than just X's and O's here. I'm running an entire franchise.
We think Liam will be able to figure it out. We hope he will be able to, so does Shad Khan.
New Orleans still doesn't have a head coach. They still don't have anybody in place, which is wild to think about even though they're saying Kelly Moe is the leader in the clubhouse, offense coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles, who will be on his staff, how will that whole thing go? We're looking up some stats.
They have like negative 53 million next year, even with the projected cap of being 275. And I think the amount of dead money they have for the next two years, they're number one in the entire NFL force.
So that Saints gig is certainly one you're signing up for it but maybe there'll be some more patience than there is somewhere else because everybody knows that going in joining us now the greatest nfl coach of all time the greatest nfl general manager of all time currently the head coach of the north carolina tarheel football team ladies and gentlemen bill belichick coach how you doing good pal how about you how's it, life is great. So we saw you get back into coaching this year.
Pete Carroll obviously gets back into coaching. Our guy Chuck Pagano is getting back into coaching in Baltimore.
You football people can't stay away from ball. Is that kind of the lesson here? Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah. Pretty much.
How much better is your life now that you're back in with a mission, with a plan, with a program is that all going here in the first few weeks maybe how long has it been now a month month and a half a little over a month um yeah i mean look pat it's great to be part of a team and uh you know to work collectively with um other coaches staff members mike lombardi um and the players uh towards the common goal is really what it's all about and it's It's fun to be part of a team. Being on my own was, staff members, Mike Lombardi, and the players towards the common goal is really what it's all about.
And it's just, it's fun to be part of a team. Being on my own was, you know, great for a year, but I'm really happy to be part of the Carolina team.
You continued to act like you were in it though, right? Throughout the entire year, waking up early, studying film, having projects, things like that. Or did you take some time to yourself whenever you're off? Well, no, I started with you on the draft.
That was a great project and had a lot of fun doing that, following the draft and the players coming into the NFL. And yeah, I've been involved with both college and pro football a year.
It was a good learning experience for me and a good opportunity for me to see more college football, go to some games. But not only that, but just to follow the whole rest of the league instead of one team.
When you're with one team, the only team I focused on was my team and the team we were playing. That just changed every week.
Last year was different. I was able to take a perspective, a much broader view of college and pro football and look at different organizations, the way they did things, and just the way that, you know, College of Football fit together, and also just see what the fan experience was like, what it's like to be a fan and to watch and follow football.
I remember you walking out at the draft, which we're so thankful you did with us. You were fantastic on that.
Absolutely crushed all year and on the draft. And you're looking with Goodell like, holy shit, this is what the draft is.
Like, you know, because you've been in your cocoon up there, up there uh you know doing the draft all the time then you get out in the world and it's like damn the NFL is doing pretty good here now my question for you and I don't know how I haven't asked you this was there anything that you learned from any other teams this past year uh whenever you're watching how they operate because the assumption is everybody would want to learn from you was there anything that you like saw how a building was operating and were like damn i wish i would have done that or if i ever run a building i will insert that into my process oh yeah absolutely i mean i learned a lot this year uh watching a lot of teams talking to people um but certainly a great experience and i'm very appreciative of coach fish uh for giving me the opportunity to come out to was Washington and spend a little time out there with him and watch his program but that really showed me how exciting and interesting college football is you have a lot more time to spend with the players they develop, you see them just develop more and they're very eager to learn and try to become NFL players so that was a great great experience for me. And then, you know, I was able to visit some other schools as well.
You know, Coach Kelly at LSU was, you know, very hospitable as well and, you know, got to, you know, Rutgers and Coach Chiano. So, you know, I learned a lot from, you know, looking at some of these other programs.
I didn't know where it was going to end up, but it was certainly interesting and educational at the time. I mean, Pat, you're always learning.
No matter how far, how much we do and how much we think we might know or have experience with, football is always changing all the time. New players, new rules, new things are happening, and the learning part of it is actually a lot of fun.
Yeah, and I think that's why the greats are great because you continue to evolve as opposed to being stubborn and stuck in your ways. You're open to new ideas, new concepts, and obviously a new life as a college football coach.
Remember, everybody thought you were going to leave UNC because you hadn't signed a contract and there's these jobs and then you hadn't put the staff together. And we talked to Lambo and you and it's like, right now we're not worried about staff.
Right now we're worried about putting the front office personnel, player personnel together. We're worried about the players that we're going to either keep or get in here.
Whenever the coaching staff comes, we'll figure that out at the time that it needs to be. Where are you on that front? And where are we in the timeline right now of what you're trying to institute at North Carolina? Yeah, well, we're all set.
We're full speed ahead. Yeah, pro football talk's not a good source for me.
But, you know, we're, this is the last week we can be out, I can be out on the road in January and then we kind of, you know, go to, you know, a different model where the student athletes can come and visit us. But, you know, we don't see them as much on the road.
So, you know, we have February have February to work on our season program. Then we start spring ball in March through mid-April.
Football season, we'll be on the field in a little over a month. That'll be exciting, and we're already in the middle of the off-season program now.
The guys are working hard, and we're still recruiting mostly 26 players, but there's still a few moving parts in the incoming class as well. Are you getting down underneath the bar down there? Let those kids know.
You still got it? I'm underneath the bar. I don't think I still got it, but yeah, I'm underneath the bar.
Hell yeah. Still squatting is unbelievable.
Absolutely unbelievable. We about, you know, I just asked you about putting the staff together.
We were talking about Liam Cohen, who just got the head coaching job at Jacksonville. He only has five years of NFL experience putting his staff together.
D-Bott has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, I just want to ask you, what are some of the challenges when it comes to putting a staff together? You got Liam Cohen, his situation being a first-time head coach.
I'm sure his phone is up from a lot of his former uh stops that he's been at and then this new orleans job which hasn't been taken yet but when it is taken obviously a lot of these coaches already have jobs so what are some of the challenges when it comes to putting your staff together as a first-time head coach uh yeah well one of the big challenges is if the coaches are under contract with another team, which I would say a lot of them are, then, you know, you have to get permission. And if you move them up from position coach to coordinator, then, you know, you might be able to do that.
A lot of coaches that aren't on another team are from staffs who have been released and either their contract ran out or their teams are replacing them with other coaches,

so they're available.

And then, you know, there could be the, you know, coaches available from, you know, college or maybe that were out of football last year, things like that. So just have to kind of take it case by case.
You get a lot of recommendations. When you take a job you, I don't know, two or three hundred messages in the first week from either people who want jobs or people who are recommending other people for jobs or some version of that, especially strength coaches.
Everybody wants to be a strength coach, so I've probably had a hundred strength coach applications this year and when I took the Patriots job many years ago. But everybody out there who trained somebody can be a strength coach, so there's no shortage of those.
But it's really – it's definitely a process. And if you don't know people, then the interview process, getting to know them, takes a little time.
I'd say, you know, most of the people that I've talked to that have gone through this process would say it usually takes two years. The first year, you know, a lot of your things will work out, but not all the hires will, or they'll move on, or that type of thing.
And then, you know, by the second year, you probably are closer to getting the staff that you want and that want to be with you. So sometimes it's probably a two-year process.

Your staff was a lot of familiar names and faces.

I assume a lot of people do that in business, but you certainly were a guy that was known for that.

The people that are in Coach for Bill are people that either had Coach for Bill before

or have kind of come up through your entire system.

Is it because they understand the strategy?

They understand the work ethic?

What is it about it? And what was the most important thing to you when somebody would

come coach for you? Just a common vision, good fundamental teacher. Obviously, teaching the

players is what we do. But we all have different strengths and weaknesses.
And I think as head

coach, you try to put that together so that you have, you know, that your staff is balanced.

But really, there aren't too many people on the staff that have worked with me before.

I mean, obviously, we have a couple, but there are a lot of connections with some people and all that.

Of course, Mike and I have worked together, you know, in the head coach GM model, but most of the rest of the people actually haven't worked with us before. Okay.
I'm excited to see it all come together in your vision, your eyes. Let's talk about the NFL a little bit.
Obviously, we're a little bit over a week out from the Super Bowl. This week right here for a team playing in the Super Bowl, are we trying to take care of all the bullshit? Like, what is the mindset for you

whenever your team was preparing for a Super Bowl

in this particular Pro Bowl bye week?

What do you think Andy Reid and Sirianni

are trying to get accomplished in this particular week?

I think that on Monday and Tuesday,

you know, a lot of rest and recovery.

I think both teams, you know, some guys banged up. They play a lot of football, but it's really taking care of most of the logistics, handling the, you know, family requests, travel, rooms, tickets, so forth and so on to try to get all that settled.
You know, I would think they would probably try to get most of that done by Thursday where everybody has their allotment for rooms, you know, tickets and bus passes and so forth and so on, whatever you need down there. And then either on Thursday, Friday and Saturday or maybe Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, depending how the coach wants to structure the week.
I think, you know, three good days of practice this week are probably where you would get about 80 percent of your game plan in and practice it. And then once you get down into New Orleans or the Super Bowl City, you maybe save about 20% down there to add in so that you're not getting too stale.
You're not repeating too many things too many times where it's, you know, the eighth time you've gone over it and then you lose a little bit of the urgency. So maybe you save something down there like, you know, red area or, you know, a couple gadget plays or a couple blitzes or some situational football, things like that.
But really, Wednesday is the best day of practice at the Super Bowl City. And then Thursday is, you know, is a lighter day.
That's when the families come in. And, you know, Friday and Saturday are just kind of wrap-up days.
So I'd say it's like one and a half good days on Super Bowl week and call it three really good days in your home city. Okay, so on that note, Connor has a question for you.
Yeah, Coach, when it comes to these massive games, obviously the Eagles have added a lot of new pieces, and this is their first year in Philly. But how much does the experience of that big game Super Bowl feel kind of matter? Because everyone on the Chiefs has basically played in the Super Bowl.
Obviously, the Eagles still have guys from the two Super Bowls they've been to in these last five years, but how much is that kind of a factor going into this game? You know, look, I don't think it's a bad thing, but the game is about how you play. It's not what you've done or haven't done or anything like that, how much money you make or who made All-Pro or MVP or anything else.
It's about how you play in the game. So I've always told my teams, I don't care whether you're a rookie, whether you're a 10-year veteran, whether you're a 15-year All-Pro, it doesn't matter.
The only thing that matters is how you prepare and play this week. And so, you know, we had a guy play pretty good in 01, Brady, I think his name was.
He had never been in a Super Bowl before. We had Malcolm Mitchell, who really had one good year for us.
He didn't even play after his free play. He played as a rookie.
He played one year. But without him, you know, I don't think.
He had some key catches for us. And sure, you have your Bradys and Gronkowskis and Edelmans and Hightowers and those guys.
But Malcolm Butler made one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history. And he was a replacement at halftime.
So he didn't even start the game. So, you know, things like that.

I don't think you should ever, those players should ever be counted out. And I think you never know which one of those guys is going to need to make a key play for you.
I think if you look at

Kansas City the last couple of weeks, they've had two big plays on kickoff return to start the game

against the Texans. Punt return last week against Buffalo.
I mean, nobody's heard of the returner. Nobody's heard of the guys who were on the punt return team or the kickoff return team.
You know, it was a great return. It was so well executed by the Chiefs, as they've been doing on special teams.
Here comes Watson over from the backside double to make a key block at the point of attack. And there they go down the sideline.
You know, Chanel had a big block in the two corners, did a great job of viceicing Matt Collins on the line of scrimmage. You see, he was the last guy down the field, and this is one of the best cover players in the league.
So it's not what you've done, it's what you do this week, and that's about preparation and then ultimately execution of the game. So experience helps if you use it, but it certainly doesn't preclude inexperienced players from playing great.

Yeah, some people are just waiting for that big moment to have their biggest game.

And before we have our heart out, I have a question.

There wasn't a lot of games that you weren't in the Super Bowl or a lot of years you weren't in the Super Bowl.

Would you watch it if you're the head coach?

Are you watching the Super Bowl of two other teams playing in it?

And how did you treat like Senior Bowl this time as opposed to whenever teams are in the Super Bowl they don't have as much options we'll say yeah well if you're out of it I think you get started on the on the senior Bowl and and some of the college you know some of the college players because it actually comes up on you pretty quick and you can use your time more efficiently at the combine and in the spring spring uh workout period if you kind of you know have a better idea where you're going but um as you can see right now there's a lot of turbulence in the nfl like there always is at the end of the year good teams are losing coaches off their staff uh other teams are turning over their staff and bringing new coaches on people are coming and going um you know you look two years ago when Philadelphia was in the Super Bowl and lost to Kansas City. Then they turn around and two days after the season lose their two coordinators.
Now they have to retool things. There's quite a bit of movement at this time of year.
Then also you have players coming up that you have to make decisions on in terms of their contract situation next year. And a lot of times it's good if it's clear cut to do those earlier rather than later if possible.
So this isn't really a downtime for the coaches. The Super Bowl is a great event to watch just to see how those two great teams play under pressure.
They're obviously the two best teams. They're the two teams that should be there, and you want to see how they compete against each other.
But honestly, I'd say the worst part of it is for the teams that aren't there. Teams like Baltimore that had two big turnovers without really even getting hit, dropping a pass on the goal line that would have put the game into overtime, or Buffalo giving up a 50-yard punt return and can't make a couple of fourth downs, or the Rams that give up two long runs and fumble a handoff, and then on the last two plays of the game, don't block Jalen Carter and have to throw the ball away.
Tampa that fumbled a handoff and then fumbled another play with the wide receiver jet sweep, whatever it was, and then fumbled the ball down going into score. Plays like that that you have to live with for six months, actually longer than that, but until you start training camp again where you just feel like we blew the game, we just lost the game, and lost it on fundamentals, on ball security, on bad tackling, like the Rams had, not blocking Jalen Carter.
He's lined up on a defensive line, has three technique. He's the best player on the field and he gets a free run at the quarterback two plays in a row on the last two plays of your season.
Those are heartbreaking and they're gut-wrenching for the team because you just have to live with them for a long period of time. I've been there before.
It makes it for a long offseason, but you've got to bounce back. But it's tough.
It's tough to watch somebody else playing like the Rams. I'm sure that they're sitting there feeling like, you know, we should have been playing in this game, but we just messed it up.
And then you take a team like Detroit, that had the best year in their history, and give up 41 points. And, you know, you're not going to win many playoff games when you can't play defense.
So I feel bad for those teams because, you know, and somebody else is going to feel like that the Monday after the Super Bowl. Yeah, 31 teams feel that way at the end of the year.
Your team was the one celebrating a lot at the end of the year. We assume you're going to do the same down at UNC.
We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Bill Belichick.

Yeah, go. W's.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Darius J. Butler.

Thanks, Steve Bunch.

Steve Bunch, good to see you.

You're battling over there.

Battling.

We all are.

We all are.

We all are.

We all are.

It hit the entire place.

Oh, yeah.

It's tough.

Like an atom bomb.

Yeah.

Yesterday, I took a 12-hour coma immediately after the show.

And I'm going to be honest.

Woke up on the other side of it, feeling like a billion bucks.

Needed.

You guys should maybe think about it. This is the first time I've done that in a long time but my body i think just said hey enough for a second and uh woke up at about 4 30 a.m 5 30 a.m just what happened new man you're brand new brand new now still got a little bit of the voice because i was yelling all weekend but life is good how.
How could it not be? The Pro Bowl games start tomorrow night. The Royal Rumble is this weekend in Indianapolis, Indiana, and then next week we'll be down in New Orleans at Radio Row, kicking off the week that will lead to the biggest game of them all, the Super Bowl.
Chiefs favored by one and a half down there in New Orleans. They'll be wearing the white jerseys, which I do believe says that they have like an 80% chance to win over like the last 10 years or something like that.
The team that wore the white Spanx-looking ones are the teams that win. But that has nothing to do with this Philadelphia Eagles team.
They pound a rock. They beat people up.
They're not scared to make it a physical fist fight. Now, that leads to this man, 12-year NFL vet, host of In the Trenches, A.Q.
Shipley. A.Q., do you feel like a big dumb dipshit because you didn't think the Philadelphia Eagles would be able to win, even though you said they have the best offensive line in the entire NFL? I don't.
I stand on what I said, and that is that they have Yeah, I stand on business. The fact that this Philadelphia Eagles offensive line is incredible.
I really do. I think they're incredible.
Power rankings, the quarterback still has to win it. He still has to win it.
He still has to prove it. Okay, so you still – I mean, he did last week.
Fourth down, A.J. Brown.
There's one game that matters. There's one game that matters.
The NFC Championship, that was the biggest game that they had this year. This next game.
Okay, now you're talking – They all matter. Yeah, they're all – you know why? You know what the biggest game is? The next one.
Bingo. So you just chose not to watch Jalen Hurst this past week where he was dropping dimes.
Devontae Smith on the sideline with the toe tap. Sick cleats, by the way.
Oh, yeah. Uh-huh.
Great cleats on it. How about the fourth down toss to A.J.
Brown? Needed it. Needed it.
You got it. No problem.
The touchdown to A.J. Brown.
Threw it to a spot

where only A.J. could catch it.
I mean, this

is a beautiful ball here. Great coverage.

No problem. Let me put it in a place

where only my guy can get it. Scores a touchdown

and he's able to rush for three

touchdowns or whatever the case is. Just like

Saquon rushes for three touchdowns.

You were a little bit of a Jalen Hurts hater.

I would say. You were a little bit of a hater.

He had his best game there and the biggest game.

I can't agree with you more, but I will say

maybe I judged him

Thank you. were a little bit of a Jalen Hurts hater.
You were a little bit of a hater. He had his best game there and the biggest game.
I can't agree with you more, but I will say maybe I judged him and I should have been judging the straight jacket. That's what it sounds like.
Okay, see, now you're trying to stir up some shit. I'm just saying.
Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, he's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawke.
A.J., look at this guy deflecting. You know, he's doing a lot of this right now because he kind of, you know, turned his back on his own gimmick.
The offensive line is what wins you games. Philadelphia Eagles got the best offensive line in the entire league.
They're not going to win it all, though. How could they? They're not going to be able to do that.
Well, they've gone on to win because of the offensive line impounding the rock they're a 1990s football team in Saquon Barkley's the most explosive player on the field both statistically and whenever you look at him optically a guy can take anything to the house how are you feeling about this particular game and how much do you think it comes down to the trench warfare next Sunday I mean I think like every big game it definitely comes down to who can dominate the O and D lines that's something for sure that you got to look at but Pat Mahomes I think there's something different with him we all know that he seems to find a way whenever it seems like everything is against him he just finds a way to win he's a winner but right there Saquon is what makes the game different man like that's that's the biggest reason I'm excited about the Super I want to see Saquon go to work, see what the plan is to try to stop him. I think it's going to be a good matchup, man.
I think it's going to be a fun game to watch. The run game can travel.
I'm not saying that Patrick Mahomes hasn't been able to do his thing no matter what situation you put him in. And obviously, he's already won multiple Super Bowls, and he's in conversation to be the greatest of all time.
He's only 29 years old. Okay.
He's only 29 years old. Severely underpaid.
If you start looking at the rest of the market as well, but he doesn't care because he's the perfect superstar. Seemingly, we'll be talking to Andy Reed here in about 10 minutes.
Excited to get his take on Patrick and the team that he has this year. They can win in a assortment of ways.
They've proven that not only this year, but also last year, they weren't scared to run the ball 30 times a game last year and win it with the defense. But whenever they say the run game can travel, what does that mean? That means even if you're a little tight, even if maybe you're not clicking, not as smooth, you're able to run the rock.
This is something in the first half we need to watch, right? Philadelphia Eagles should be able to move the ball here pretty good. They should, but again, we've talked about this over and over again.
Spaggs is unbelievable, and he is going to take the Belichick model, and that is make them win with one arm tied behind their back. So how do you do that? You stop Saquon.
You load the box. You do all these things.
So then what becomes the most important is the receivers. It's the pass game.
And see if, exactly what I've been saying, can Jalen beat you? Well, how come everybody doesn't do it? You know what everybody's doing? I saw it on Get Up last week, they say they need to load the box against the Philadelphia Eagles. Doesn't everybody try to load the box against the Philadelphia Eagles? No, because they have enough skill on the outside.
It's the most expensive offense in the National Football League. They have guys everywhere.
They've paid their quarterback. They've paid their receivers.
They've paid their tight end. They've paid guys on the offensive line.
Obviously, the running back is paid. They've got guys everywhere.
It's not like you can just sit there and take away Saquonquon. Oh, by the way, A.J.
Brown, Goddard, and Devontae are gone. They're there.
They are there. They are all there.
Some teams have loaded the box. There have been situations where it's been four minutes.
They're trying to put the game, eight, nine people in the box. Saquon still hit 60, 70, 80 yards.
Breaks that first line. Yeah, once he breaks that first line and he's outrunning angles, this play just start the damn game.
But, yeah, it sounds good on paper. It sounds good throughout the week.
Like, yeah, let's put eight in the box. Let's do this.
Let's do that. But when you have an offensive line like they do in Philly and then you have a game-breaker like Saquon, it is super, super tough.
It hurts. He looked healthy in the NFC Championship game, so I expect him to look even better in the Super Bowl when he's back there and gun, and you've got to respect him as a runner too.
You're playing 11-on-11 as a defense. That's tough.
Well, and even the last Super Bowl, the team was built pretty similar. Obviously, Miles Sanders isn't Saquon Barkley.
He is much, much better, the best in the NFL. But Jalen still threw for 300 yards the last Super Bowl against the Chiefs, so it's not like he can't do it.
It's just going to be one of those games where, I mean, AJ brought it up right away, like if Saquon rushes for 150 yards and two touchdowns, it's going to be hard to imagine that the Chiefs win that game if Saquon is doing that. The Chiefs will get outrushed, they'll get outgained, they'll get outwitted, they'll get outplayed even, and they'll still win the game.
They have a special it factor about them that doesn't come around often. You know, that is why we're talking about the greatest dynasty in the history of sports.
If they win three straight, we thought the Patriots are going to be the greatest dynasty in professional sports for all time. How do you have a 20 plus year run of success in a league that is built off of parity? If your team stinks, we're going to give you better draft.
It's literally a salary cap. It's set up so teams can always have a chance.
But then you start looking at the stats. It's like, well, for 20-some years, it was the Patriots League.
And now it feels like it's Kansas City Chiefs League. If they win three straight, greatest dynasty of all time, AJ? Are you going to crown them? Crown them.
Oh, I mean, I'd have a tough time not crowning them. I really would.
Yeah. Yeah, because it's not easy, obviously, to win one, win two, then win three.
You have to get lucky, I think, injury-wise, but also strategy-wise, you are the target. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have been the target for the better half of the last decade, and they still show up and play their best ball in the biggest moments.
AFC Championship, they look like the team that we all, you know, kind of hope for them to look like. Will they be able to do it again in new orleans aj i think as bill belichick said on this program i believe last week like your secondary has to tackle very very well and that's when when saquon gets rolling you see like you can't let these six seven yard runs turn into 25 30 yard runs or a three yard run-yard run.
Like, you have to do – it's like those little things throughout the game, I think. And I think secondary coming down and making sure tackles and, like, the whole – that's why Spaggs, you know, like, as AQ said, Spaggs is unbelievable what he does, and they're a very disciplined defense.
You've got to be disciplined, and you've got to find a way to get this dude to the ground because he's awesome. Okay, let's talk about Spaggs' defense.
And I know this was supposed to be to be part of everything db good d bad d but it's a massive piece of conversation on the internet and uh dan orlovsky referenced it yesterday saying that people are saying josh allen should have uh switched to protection on that fourth down and everything like that in a two-second period those people have no idea what they're talking about is what dan orlovsky said instead the real conversation is what can you go? Can you go back to the beginning of that play? Instead, the real conversation about this play is what, A.Q. Shipley? Yeah, so the biggest thing that you see here is you see the condensed split up top, right? The running back, who is the fifth receiver, it's a condensed split, which means he's two to three yards just outside the tackle.
So this would have been a will-free safety blitz. What's that mean? What's that mean? Okay, so what that means is if you look over the right guard, you'll see Justin Reed.
He is the will as the offense sees that. He's the will defender.
Correct. And then the free safety is the guy back to him.
So as you see that, he's directly behind him. That would be will-free safety.
But if that receiver is further out to the sidelineeline Now that free safety comes down because you're not going to Blitz him from 15 yards back So he would now be at 5 yards Which then would make the center declare The Will, Justin Reed, over the guard As the Mike linebacker and turn the line That way And then you would much better Be able to pick up this. You still have A guy running free but it would would be the widest guy and not two guys up the B-gap.
But instead, because he's tight, what happens? It turns into a corner cat blitz automatically. Will free safety with a condensed split turns into corner cat.
And then the fact that Spencer Brown and the Bills do not sift away from the way the center does, you get two free rushers right up the B-gate. So this is maybe a play design flaw as opposed to a quarterback check protection flaw.
Specifically against Spags. Because this is what he loves to do in nut-cutting time.
Go back to last year's Super Bowl, the play that I think McDuffie tips the ball from Brock. It's the same exact blitz.
At a two-minute mark, too. It's the same point in the game, too.
It's what he loves to do. So if it's a tight split, corner will come instead of the safety coming.
If they're split out wide, safety will come down, safety will come. Instead, safety swaps with corner once corner blitzes.
Now your job is running back who's wide receiver safety as corner comes up. Yeah, so AQ's seen it, I guess, from the offensive standpoint.
I think from a defensive standpoint, especially with Spags, I think it's called a cat blitz, especially with McDuffie. So he's calling this.
And once Joe Brady brings out this tight formation, it just helps us. Because if we are split wide, like AQ said, or if it's two receivers, then that's when we switch it and give that blitz to the safety.
But there are indicators here, if you go back to the beginning, that a blitz would to come you can only send a corner blitz typically if you have a split safety look because that safety has to get over top of that number one wide receiver the other part of it is that's ty johnson that's a running back not a you know a badass at receiver so we're not worried about blitzing our best cover guy and leaving him uh one-on-one in space and fourth and five and then shakir being at the snap of the ball three or four yards behind Josh Allen. So a lot of people are saying just swing it out to him.
If you swing this ball out to him, you have to flip your hips and actually make that throw. And then you got three or four guys rallying to make this tackle probably before that fourth down marker.
So I think the formation, the play call, it played right into Spaggs' hand. Because if you, like this is what what Spags wants to do.
He wants to get his DBs involved in the blitz. He loves sending athletes after the quarterbacks, especially in critical moments of the game.
Hall of Fame coaches across the board for Kansas City. I'm not saying that's not the case for Philadelphia.
We will see. Fangio certainly going to be in conversation.
Sirianni. Without a doubt.
The way his career has started, without a doubt. Kelly Moe? Maybe.
Kelly Moore has a chance to get into the convo. We'll see how it goes if he ends up going to New Orleans.
Stoutland? Stoutland, the offensive line coach? Obviously. Yes, agreed.
He's a Hall of Famer. But if you look at the Kansas City Chiefs, Special Teams Coordinator, Hall of Famer.
Tobe. Defense Coordinator Spags, Hall of Famer.
Andy Reid, Hall of Famer. That helps, H.
That helps, especially in those massive, massive moments of an AFC Championship game, H. Well, have you just listened to the Chiefs players talk about Andy Reid? He's so humble about it when he redirects it, but listen to the defensive players talk about Spags and watch their interactions with Spags.
It's like Spags is the man. He is the leader.
They listen to him. But it's like seems very collaborative as well to where he actually listens to them and listens to them in the game too and adjust off of what they're seeing out there.
What was that last year? He said normally you have like two guys that are like coaches on the field on defense, you know, that you can kind of throw anything out. He said all 11 guys are coaches on the field for me.
That's very abnormal, and we certainly take advantage of it. It feels like it's the same thing this year with that defensive squad.
Yeah, and to Bill's point earlier about the players and everything, how much experience matters, I would just, as a fan, think that coaching is where that really matters. Because guys like Andy Reid, he's not going to shrivel up and pucker up and get all nervous in certain situations.
Same with Spags. Like some of these younger coaches who are getting in their first Super Bowl, like we always talk about like, well, maybe the moment just got too big for him or even a guy like Sean McDermott, who has been there time and time again, but hasn't been able to get over the hump.
Joe Brady's a super young guy. Like you don't see Andy Reed or Spags.
Like they're not making those. We're never talking a Monday after a game like, well, the moment was too big for Andy Reid.
He kind of just shriveled up. He made the wrong call.
It seems like he's been there enough times, and so is Spaggs. Those guys always make the right decisions in the biggest moment.
When Spaggs saw that tight split. You play a right to us.
They're sitting on the sidelines going, yep. And Reid's on there like, Spaggs work.
Trying to be quiet, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Everybody play cool. Play cool.
Play cool. Please, please.
Yeah, I mean, that is – and it's all happening within the spur of the moment. The play before they brought seven.
They sent six or seven to play before in the third and ten, I think. They picked up five yards on a quick screen.
But you come out of tight split because you think about if you're playing mad. If you go empty, you go five wide.
and you try to send a blitz. It's hard for you to disguise that as a defense.
But once things get tighter, it's easier for us to disguise and communicate, switch responsibilities when the offenses are tighter. We hate to play call.
I hate to play call for Buffalo. For a defense, I love it.
You hate to play call. So the biggest thing when you play Spags, you know he he likes to pressure and you know he loves to bring zero.
That was literally our entire game plan when we went against him in the Super Bowl. It's like he's going to bring pressure.
He's going to bring seven. He's going to bring zero.
So we have to have an answer. So, hey, how many times are we going to need to call Gronk back into protection? How many times are we going to have to have a back in protection? So by going empty in that moment and nut-cutting time, knowing he's going to bring something,

and the O-line has them all and you only got five,

and they're going to bring something, some type of zone pressure,

some type of zero, some type of something, you've got to have an extra guy. I love that he's so aggressive, especially in the biggest moments.

That's why he's going to go down as a goat.

There's a lot of them over there in Kansas City.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a four-time Super Bowl champ,

three as a head coach for the Kansas City Chiefs,

one as an assistant coach for the Green Bay Packers,

Let's get right into it. We were just talking there about that fourth down play uh where spags brought the corner blitz off the tight split how nice is it to know that spags is your defensive coordinator and what are the conversations between you and he strategy wise going into each game yeah so spags and i've been around each other for 40 years uh people probably don't know that but all the way back to when we were college coaches and so i i kind of know exactly what he's thinking at what time of the game and uh i have full trust in him and whatever he he likes in those situations he dials up and goes i'm not a restrictor on that yeah i love that and then And then teams coordinator tobe he's a hall of famer as well you guys have gotten massive special teams plays in seemingly every game you've had over this recent dynastic run you're on how have you been able to piece together this staff and then keep them you know spag just interviewed i think for jacksonville and for the jets tobe i assume has gotten interviews as well but you three are a master class at very important spots what are your thoughts on tobe and your special teams yeah i think the world of tobe he's another one i've been around with for 40 years uh he and spags actually went to springfield together uh and played and then uh tobe transferred to at UTEP and I was the coach at UTEP.
So we're all kind of intertwined there somewhere and we know what each other's thinking and we're able to just kind of move on with it. It has to be great to do it alongside people that you've known for so long.
It's been fun to watch your team do their thing. Last year the big conversation about about your team was, oh, they're winning in a different way.

You know, they're handing the ball off.

They're playing good defense.

This year, you guys continue to have the best record in football.

And they said, this team stinks.

They're not playing good at all.

They're not doing this.

What do you think it is about your team and why you are able to win in such a variety of ways, Coach?

Well, Shipley told me I need to run the ball some more.

So I said, start acting like an O-lineman and run the ball. You're an old line guy at heart.
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
So but listen, we had a few injuries at the wide receiver spot. We're bringing guys in.
So it sure helped to have that run game available. And the linemen do love doing it, and they do it well.
Coach, whenever you think about Patrick, obviously we just talk about his greatness and how he has this clutch gene and everything like that. What do you think gets left out of the conversation about Patrick? Is it how good of a teammate he is, his work ethic? What do you think doesn't get mentioned enough about the guy who's trying to win another Super Bowl and he's only 29? Yeah, well, you know the kid.
And so he's a great kid. He grew up in a locker room.
He's humble. What a phenomenal teammate.
He's always complimenting his guys. He kind of knows when to pull on him and when to back off and compliment.
He's just got a good way about him. And he's smart on top of all that and is a very hard worker.
Do you still draw up random-ass plays, you know, like even at this stage of the season? Are we still drawing up ridiculous plays to maybe drop them into the Super Bowl? Yeah, that's the fun part. So I've got these coaches here that have creative minds, and they love doing it.
We get the the players involved too. It doesn't matter if it's a lineman or a quarterback, whoever.
If they've got something good, let's put it out on the table and see what you got. I've got 51% of the vote, but still I'm open-minded with it.
What was it? Chili Dog? Corn Dog? Hot Dog? Corn Dog. Corn Dog? Corn Dog, whatever it was.
Feels like the names of these plays are also legendary. Wasp from a couple years ago we've obviously learned about.
Can't wait to see what you drop for New Orleans. Go ahead, AJ.
Coach, can you talk a little bit about Chris Jones? Watching the guy play, it's a lot of fun. We see how emotional he gets after big wins.
It seems like this dude really cares about the team and wants to win. Can you say, what does that mean your defense obviously he's such a physical force I know speaking to O-linemen around the league they obviously hate playing you guys because blocking this guy is a disaster but what does he mean to that defense? Yeah listen you and that guy next to you over there you guys would love to have him in front of you he's one of those kind of guys that just goes and he's got that pass rush ability.
He's a bigger human being than I think people think. He's a big old kid and loves to play.
He's really developed into a leader over the years. He was kind of a goofball when he was younger, but he's really, he's turned it into being a real positive leader out there.
And I appreciate that part. So he's an all pro player.
You see him play every Sunday and that's what, that's what he is. He's he cries national anthem.
He cries whenever a big plays made, he cries whenever you guys are going to the super bowl it's like i love how emotionally

invested he is in your program and your team does that make you feel good that your biggest players are that bought into your program and everything like that when you see stuff like that yeah listen that's real too i mean he he gets fired up for it and uh i'm i'm good with it he can cry all he wants to cry. I love the kid.
He can, whatever. He doesn't, he's not crying when he's sacking the quarterback.
Yeah, everybody else is crying. Yeah, especially about the refs.
Hey, have you heard that conversation? You and the refs are meeting like what, tonight for the Super Bowl? Is that what's happening? Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly.
I try not to pay attention to any of that stuff. It's loud coach it's loud it's stupid this happens whenever you win though it happened for the patriots for 20 plus years let's talk about another veteran on your team aq has a question for you coach coach congrats on going to another super bowl let's talk a little bit about joe tooney obviously going to his sixth super bowl on two different teams but can you just talk a little bit about what he means to that team and the character that it shows he has being able to move from basically a Hall of Fame-type guard out to tackle? Yeah, you know that.
That's a tough deal, man. It's a lonely area out there at the tackle spot.
Normally, the other two spots, you've got friends on both sides. Out there, you don't.
And it can be a short corner at times if the tight end's not next to you. So you've got to be wired right for that thing and have enough athletic ability to play it.
And he's got all of that. How's that conversation go? He says, I'll go out to tackle if we need it.
Do you ask him? How do we make that decision? Yeah, he's willing to do anything. I mean, that's how, again, that's how he's wired.
He's just, he says, wherever you need me, whatever you need done, I'm good to go. He's been an all-pro center.
He's been an all-pro guard. And he probably would be an all-pro tackle if he was out there long enough.
Now he might be a Super Bowl champion tackle. What a career he's piecing together.
Got a tough defense coming up. Go ahead, D-Butch.
Yeah, Coach, we were talking about your defense and Spags. On the other side, Vic Fangio, he's kind of turned this Philadelphia defense around.
What's the biggest challenge y'all facing this Eagles defense in the Super Bowl a couple weeks? Yeah, man, that guy, I can't get rid of that guy. He's everywhere.
And he's tough. He's got a great scheme, and that defense plays their heart out.
That's a tremendous defense. Offense, too, but you're asking me about the defense, and Vic is as good as anybody in this league, man.
Everywhere he goes, he puts together these defenses that are tough. Yeah, and when they ran his ass out of Miami, they thought it was Vic Fangiover.
Instead, he goes to Philadelphia and they're flying around. Let's talk about one of the goats.
Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Coach, throughout the last couple years, it seems like when it comes to Travis Kelsey, people are saying, oh, maybe this guy's lost a step or two.
His production isn't quite the same. And then the playoffs roll around, and he turns back the clock, and he looks like, you know, primetime Travis Kelsey.
What is about him that makes it, you know, when the playoffs come around, you know that he's going to produce, he's going to have 100-yard games, and in the biggest moments, he's always going to be there and come up big for you guys? Yeah, listen, he's a great player, and he's got guys around him now. We're a little bit healthier.
And so all these defensive coordinators, their whole focus isn't on just Trav and stopping Trav. And so it frees him up a little bit.
He hasn't changed anything from before. I mean, he can still do all the same things, but he's got a couple of guys on.
Then you go a different direction and have to work another area. But he's still's still really a good football player keeps himself in great shape never wants to miss a rep in practice hates coming out of the game I mean absolutely hates coming out of the game and um so um I love that part of him he's one of our team captains been voted that for in the last how many ever years here um And just does a good all around job there.
He told us that he's feeling 22. You know, jamming Taylor a little bit.
Another guy. I got you.
Yeah, you get it. Yeah, you get it.
Another guy who's actually 22, I think. Xavier Worthy.
How, first of all, whenever you guys draft him, trade up with the Bills to draft him do you think to yourself how come everybody lets us get the fastest guys all the time and whenever you get him on your team does your brain just immediately start cooking up ways to get him the rock yeah I mean Matt Nagy does a good job with that he He puts him in a lot of different positions where he can operate. The kid is willing to do it.
I would tell you that having Hollywood here has really helped that part. I mean, Hollywood wants to play every down.
He wants to play every spot. He's a smaller guy.
So he fits in there and kind of the same body type. Likewise with Deshaun Jackson, I was lucky to have Deshaun.
We put him everywhere and he was an every down guy and that's what Worthy wants to be and he's willing to work at it. Yeah, and your work with Tyreek obviously is well documented.
The fastest guys in the league always find their way to an Andy Reid offense, and it seems like it's cheating, but it seemingly also works. We asked Coach Belichick about the advantages of having a Super Bowl experience team.
For you, do you think there is any advantages to your team understanding what this next week and a half is going to look like for you guys? Yeah, well, it does help. We're playing another Super Bowl tested team.
So it's, they were there one of the times that we were there and, listen, I think in this case, maybe it doesn't really matter, but it's going to be two good football teams playing each other. It's going to be great for the national football league and most of all for the fans out there so and they'll give you guys something to talk about yeah you know hopefully in a good way right we need that coach we've been talking about your team a lot with how great they are and uh we can't thank you enough for stopping by for a quick trip and a quick break in the itinerary safe travels down to new orleans and good luck to your team all right listen i appreciate it you guys are doing a nice job man great job hey we're trying we for you too you guys are doing a great job yeah phenomenal appreciate you pat mcafee doggone it lazy gentlemen coach andy reed we appreciate you that was awesome so he had there's no time in the schedule for today no, I sent a text over.
Hey, is there any chance Coach Reed can stop by in the next few days? It's a lot. We can make 10 minutes today, though, if you can promise us 10 minutes.
I'm like, definitely, we'd love for him to stop by. So we just did a rapid fire there, Vandy Reed.
He's close to the vest with everything, obviously. Close to the vest with everything.
But Xavier

Worthy there, falling to

his team and then them trading with the Buffalo

Bills. Obviously, you got immediately

reacted as soon as it happens

on draft night. But it's like,

how come the fastest humans in the NFL

always find their way to the Andy Reed offense?

And then Nagy, he's giving credit

to, which I respect and appreciate. Congrats

to Nagy doing his thing. It's like

they utilize it too. They use every

single piece of grass

Thank you. Yeah, I should remember him.
I mean, I literally was on the practice squad there. Like, I didn't – he didn't have to remember me whatsoever.
But getting back to playing from him, the one thing that I remember about him was we talk about the run game, and, like, he does not look at just handoffs and pitches to the running back as the run game. He looks at those swing passes out in front.
He looks at getting the ball to the perimeter. Those are all extensions of the run game.
He is not big on, hey, let's give this guy 25, 30 carries. That's not the way he sees this.
How many times can we get our guys the ball out in space, even if it's just perimeter throws or whatever? It might be behind the line of scrimmage. It might be on the line of scrimmage.
But he looks at all of those as extensions of the run game. Super-duper accountable guy, right? Like, that's his thing? Yeah, and listen, like, if you even watch the last couple plays, yes, super accountable.
But he also coaches his guys so hard, and they're always prepared for the moments. Like, if you look at that play where it was the fullback, and they run the rollout, and they get the first down late in the game.
They run to the line of scrimmage. They get out of the line of scrimmage.
They're high. DeMar Hamlin gets lost in the sauce, right? And then you get a wide open guy.
When they run the little mesh route to win it to a Pirine, right? He comes across. You get the three receivers going this way, and they get picked.
So many guys miss that pick. They miss the pick, but everybody is so well coached.
They do their job and it

doesn't matter when. You need to trust them.

Trust that guy in that moment.

You talked about even like

Worthy and the extension of the run game.

Their pass game was even worth

worthy. He didn't have a ton of downfield

catches this year. Hollywood didn't.
He

obviously wasn't healthy, but a lot of their pass

game is horizontal. Crossers, it's pick.
Getting the ball in these guys' hands and then getting in third and manageable, converting third downs, and taking care of the football. That's kind of the theme of both of these football teams going into the Super Bowl.
Taking care of the football and then taking it away on the defensive side. Chiefs are favored by one and a half.
Let's head over to Hammer. For some more gumbling news on the big game next Sunday.
Yes, they are favored by one and a half across the board. All books have it at that.
The total is 49 and a half. As you would predict, the public is hammering the over of 49 and a half.
75% of the public is on the over. 80% so far is on the Eagles early, early betting.
80%? This is very early. Yeah, very early.
I mean, as you get into the second week and those huge million, two million, three million, all those million-dollar bets come in, that'll change a lot. Some of the player prop stuff that I was looking at, Dallas Goddard right now is the most bet-on player prop of his over 50-and-a-half, I believe, receiving yards.
The Chiefs are 32nd in giving up yards to tight end, so I believe that stat has leaked out there, so that's probably why there's a lot of potential on Goddard right now. The other interesting one is Saquon.
That man right there, I think his overrunner is 112-ish, somewhere around there, different books. That's in the Super Bowl.
That's crazy, and the thing is the Chiefs do not. This playoff, this Super Bowl run that they've been on

for the last few years, this dynasty that they've

been on, they do not give up

100-yard rushers. It hasn't happened

in years and years and years. So that is

something to watch. And there's just more and more

trickle... Oh, a fun one.
Kicker

Eagles. Why can I not think of his name?

Jake Elliott. Jake Elliott.
His

total is set at 6.5 points

over-under.

He's gone over that in 7

straight games. So that was just something else that we

I'm sorry. Jake Elliott.
Jake Elliott. His total is set at six and a half points over under.
He's gone over that in seven straight games, so that was just something else that we were looking at going forward. Okay, and I believe AQ just looked up another stat to kind of piggyback off what you said about Spags' defenses.
Since 2019, they have not allowed a 100-yard rusher in the playoffs. Yeah, that's That's a long time ago.
That's six years ago. Sheesh.
That's six AFC championships. They face Saquon Barkley.
Yeah, well, he was on the Giants, so he wasn't in playoffs. No.
Did face Derrick Henry, though. When Derrick Henry was doing it.
That was back when it all started. Yeah.
That was when this whole thing started, when he was with the Titans. Then Tannehill would get would get 100 mil and derrick would get 50 mil and then now they would fire vrabel and derrick henry go baltimore ravens where chuck pagano is aj how about that chuck going back to work in there i mean i'm not surprised i mean you guys talked about when he when he was on earlier yeah the fact that chuck is going back it does seem like the perfect fit for him and you you joked with him you said man you're glowing chuck but like he was he legit looked like this dude like seemed very very excited to get back out there and start coaching people up i know ty asked him about like perspective he's still going to get on him and jump dudes like i think chuck is still gonna have plenty of fire in his coaching first day back after he beat leukemia okay punt period first period i think i've told this story before he's bald okay just came out of chemo and everything like that i hit some shank maybe something happened and he looks at me and goes let's fucking go and i'm like aren't we just happy to be alive right now you know aren't we just happy to be alive we go we got to win.
We got a game to win. Loves ball, loves coaching, loves making people better, which I think is why he's so joyful because he has that mission yet again.
Bill Belichick has come on here every single week, and there's been numerous weeks where Bill is clearly not thrilled that he is joining us. He certainly minds potentially in other places.
Then whenever he gets that North Carolina job, That next time he was on, it know like he is he is certainly mines potentially in other places then whenever he gets that north carolina job that next time he was on it was like he was literally floating yeah above it was like i'm back into having a reason almost and a why and uh i'm excited for all of them joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a future first ballot hall of famer he's a member of the bull ring of honor down there in houston for the texans ladies and gentlemen the owner of the burnley soccer squad raise the clarets jj wad raise him good afternoon raise him up up the clarets of course up up how are we doing how are the clarets Have they been upped? Are we upping the shit out of these Clarets? Oh, we're just setting club records for shutouts, seven in a row. Only giving up nine goals in 26 matches, so no big deal.
Hold on. This is the, if he doesn't let up a goal the rest of the year, you have to go play for the Bengals guy.
Yeah, yeah. Starting literally to get a little more concerned about it here as we go because uh leads was the number leads was top of the table it was a great matchup between two teams at the top of the table they didn't put one past him um and we don't have anybody at the top of the table coming up so it's uh getting a little dicey here we've only given up nine and 26 the ratios are get a little wild.
Wow, that's crazy in soccer to only give up 9 goals in 26 games. Yeah.
That is crazy, isn't it? Crazy. Cagey.
That is a lot of cagey. Literally a record in English football history tied for the record.
So, there's 28 games. Really? Yeah.
It's a record. So, we're doing pretty good.
Up them. Up them.
Up them. Up them.
Why are you saying it's getting dicey? Don't you want to go play for the Bengals? It's a record so we're doing pretty good why are you saying it's getting dicey don't you want to go play for the Bengals it's a beautiful city over there beautiful team I'll go I just I don't want to I don't want to tackle I don't want to be hit anymore I don't want to wake up at 5 a.m. to go do a field goal block meeting I really really have no interest in those don't want to stay after for the pa meetings and uh you know i just really enjoy setting my own schedule and doing what i like to do and generally don't love uh all those things and having a guy count my reps as i do pull-ups in the weight room you know yeah so you just want to play pro bowl football sounds like you just want to play pro bowl you know Bowl football.
You know, we don't want to tackle. We don't want to be held accountable.
We don't want to do any of that. I obviously had a chance to play in a Pro Bowl game with you.
Late in the fourth quarter, I was trying to get you back on the field with Andrew and with many of the pouncies, I believe, I was trying to get back on the field. Because if we were to win, that would be a $40,000 difference for me.
And although you didn't care, I certainly did. And I think you took the Pro Bowl very seriously.
You were the player MVP in 2015, I do believe, of the Pro Bowl. And obviously for the last 10 years, 15 years, the Pro Bowl has certainly become something that not a lot of football people are proud of.
Now, can't blame the players for not wanting to get injured, Can't blame the players for what it has become. And obviously, the NFL isn't the only league that's trying to figure out their all-star game.
But yesterday, whenever Drake May gets announced as a pro bowler after winning two games, and obviously, I think Drake would even say he didn't plan on becoming a pro bowler, you put out a tweet that said, you know what, let's just start calling it the participation bowl instead of the pro bowl this used to mean something i heard it actually in his voice say this used to be special this used to be something awesome what are your expanded thoughts on the pro bowl and is it savable i don't think it is i don't think there's any right answer jage i think it's okay to just admit that something has run its course uh i think there was obviously a time where it held a serious level of prestige and honor, and guys went and thoroughly enjoyed it and played and put in some great effort. I mean, obviously, the Sean Taylor clip comes to mind.
But I think over the years, the way the business has grown and the way that the risk level has gone through the roof for if you're a guy in a contract year or if you were, God forbid, to get in that pro bowl what it means for your next season what it means for your career for these teams um it just does not make sense uh it just is what it is so understandably that's why they've gone to this uh whatever flag you know playing capture the flag format um which is you know Fine, well, then good. It's flag football.
It's in the Olympics. Please, I'll have you know.

Okay. format um which is you know fine well and good it's like football it's in the olympics please i'll have you know okay uh but anyways we've gone to whatever this is um so like i get it like it's just but but do not we can't we can't be calling guys pro bowlers we can't be saying this is a pro bowl uh this is a pro bowl line this is a pro bowl tight three Pro Bowls.
The voting process from the beginning we should discuss, but that's its own right thing. But just this whole thing, it's like, come on, what are we doing here? We're doing it for the commercial dollars on a couple million viewers on a random-ass Tuesday that nobody's watching, a couple guys run around.
What do they do? What do you think they should do like physically what could they do that we would want i literally don't know like i that's why i said i think it might be just okay to admit that something's run its course like you're never going to get rid of it because it still makes money like i'm not an idiot it still is a television show there's audience and there's commercials for it it's great that's going to happen but Big Spike is about to be awesome, Jade. You've never seen it.
Maybe don't judge it before you get a chance to see it. Linemen are going to be spiking balls onto a machine that measures the amount of power.
And then how about Helmut Horner? His game shows players' knowledge of their teammate. Love that.
Okay. Relay race.
That'll be fun, you know, because are we passing a baton? Are we doing the entire thing? A track baton for the NFL? And then satisfying catches presented by Snickers. Wide receivers, tight ends, and corners are put through a timed catching obstacle course.
And then, obviously, the quarterback carnival is what they should be calling that one. Dan Orlovsky stole the show last year, which, once again, goes back to JJ's point.
If Dan Orlovsky is the one stealing the show, maybe we shouldn't be doing. Head-to-head, you got a Madden game.
That's fun. Love you, too.
That's good content. Perfect punters and non-punters compete to punt footballs into six large cups.
That'll be fun. That'll be good.

The great football race, a five-leg course that tests everything from kicking to agility to strength, a decathlon of sorts around football.

Tug of war and then obviously flag football.

It's the Pro Bowl game.

Let's go.

Is this broadcast on ESPN?

Is it broadcast on ESPN?

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Bang, bang, bang. Pro Bowl.
The Pro Bowl games. The Pro Bowl.
The Pro Bowl games. The Pro Bowl.
The Pro Bowl games. It's the Pro Bowl games, Jake.
Yeah, it's on ESPN. Yeah, we're a part of the problem.
Yeah. It's going to be awesome.
Starts tomorrow night. Tomorrow night.
Yeah. 7 o' o'clock eastern be a friend it's okay for me to admit that i don't like it or agree with it and also i don't have a solution so that i don't have the answer i don't know what the answer is you're part of the problem man you know uh you're in a problem business i'm in a solution business and i'll tell you what if it wasn't for that second page of games i would have have been out.
But once they turn that, this one right here is what really pulled me. Pump perfect.
Where's the three-legged race? You guys were talking about this three-legged race. I think that's part of the football race.
That's part of the football race. Is that a one-man or a two-man race? Hi-oh! Depends on who it is, obviously, Josh.
I was, yeah. But, yes, I concur.
I think we all do. And this the nfl and i assume espn and all of its partners trying to figure out how we keep this as something that is of importance and to your point about millions of people watching this can outrate every nba game every single baseball game every single nhl game and uh you know it is something that has a lot of history being a pro bowler to your point we were the first yeah guys got to stop putting in their contract by the way because you're gonna get screwed on it like don't put pro bowl in your contract because of the way the voting goes and everything like even if you're very deserving you might not get it so just this if you're a player out there recommendation probably wouldn't put pro bowl in there as an escalator well when we were growing up you know the Pro Bowl out in Hawaii with the quarterback challenge and everything and the 40 yard dash and fastest man yada yada yada the obstacle Larry Allen putting up 45 reps on the bench yeah that was awesome that was like dream you know like a dream to make the Pro Bowl someday in Hawaii and then I made it my first year and we're in uh Phoenix remember it was like 24 degrees we had to drive three hours into the desert for a practice and there was really no events.
There was no pool and they didn't even run out the entire hotel. You remember there was another conference happening in the hotel and I'm like, what the fuck are we doing? They didn't want me to go pour concrete out in the middle of the desert or whatever.
It's like, I'm not doing that. I think I was up for the Walter Bade Man of the Year.
And I skipped the community event. Yeah, I skipped the game.
I was up for Walter Bade Man of the Year. And they were like, alright, Tuesday morning, you're going to go out and you're going to pour concrete in the middle of the desert.
And I said, no I'm not. And they said...
Bus was a little light that day. Bus was a little light that day.
See, J.J., I knew you were going. So that's why I said no.
And I had to do a Rich Eisen 40-yard dash to make up for it, you know, for St. Jude or whatever the case.
And it was me. I think Witten was there.
And then who's the DB that ripped crabtree's? Tlaib. Yeah, Akeem Tlaib.
I'm like, are we going to pour in concrete? Nope. Me neither.
All right, let's go ahead and do this.

So, you know, my friend kind of lost its luster immediately as soon as I got there.

I'm like, what are we doing?

What is this?

This is the Pro Bowl.

So if the NFL wants players to take it serious,

what I would suggest is you take it serious, NFL.

You know, and if you want it to be a real thing,

I think we're going to have to act like it's a real thing

as opposed to what it has become.

But nonetheless, congrats to Drake May. Make it a Pro Bowl a pro bowl oh yeah great aj has a question for you jj jage getting back to this super bowl game when you let's say you're playing and you're trying to defend saquon barkley and what he's doing well as a d lineman i guess d lineman dn we know we move you everywhere how does that change your game plan when you know like so there's certain times that would be passing downs, downs I think for other teams that might not be with Saquon.
Does that slow your rush down at all and how do you how do you stop a guy like Saquon? Yeah it's it purely comes down to team defense. Every single person has to be in their gap.
I know that there's times that this is rich coming from me as a guy who made some plays by you know doing doing some things unconally. But it's full team defense.
Everybody has to be in their gap. Everybody has to know exactly where they need to be, what gap they're covering.
And he's talked about it before. Some of his best, biggest runs are when he's setting you up.
He's faking into one gap and bouncing out into the other because he saw something earlier in the game that you could take advantage of. Or he could get you to commit down into a gap that might not be your own and then bounce out to the one you're supposed to be in so it purely comes down to every single guy combining to create a wall that he can't get through but also you have to be realistic he's Saquon Barkley he's gonna get some runs he's gonna break some you can't let that discourage you you can't let that affect you as the game goes on you have to just go out there and keep playing and to your point about third downs or passing situations That's a very real like there's no doubt that we try to get the third down so that we earn the right to rush the passer So when you get there, you're geeked up.
You're ready to go. You're in your pass rush stance And sometimes that's when it's the easiest because you're creating seams to run right behind you.

So it's just about trying to put them in a situation,

also hoping your offense puts up some points so that they can't just keep

running the ball.

Gee-duh.

Gee-duh.

Gee-duh.

And then they pound you right in the mouth.

That is Lions were doing that this year.

Oh, yeah.

Eagles were doing that this year.

Whenever you have a talented offensive line, you can certainly pull that off. AQ says the Philadelphia Eagles have the best offensive line in all of football.
He didn't expect them to win this many games, though, Jade. So tell me how that makes sense.
Tell me how that makes sense. I feel like I've heard AQ say five different teams this year had the best offensive line.
Well, we had a week-to-week. Well, that's because it was it was week to week if you paid attention.
Well, he did.

He did.

He did.

I mean, I'm literally on the show with you, so I do pay attention.

But currently they are.

Are they this week's best of the four remaining,

or are they the best of the whole season?

Where are we at?

So at the end of the regular season, I did the season,

and I said Philly was the best of the season.

Yeah.

Not just week to week.

But where was he in your power rankings? I think nine times they were the best during the year. And then he's.
How far ahead of the Lions were they? So the Lions were eight. So I had literally Eagles-Lions.
It was one-two. Yeah.
And then he said Eagles can't win, though, in the playoffs because Jalen Hurts can't play football good. And then Jalen Hurts comes out and slices and dices and he still just refuses to believe his eyes.
So there's a little stubbornness. He's a little conflict.
I really liked earlier in today's show when AQ gave his take on the corner blitz, the safety blitz or the wheel blitz straight into the corner blitz and then D-Butt came on and said no, that wasn't actually that. It was just a straight up corner blitz.
I was hoping for a bit more cute. I don't think that's what was said at all.
I think you said the exact same thing. You respect us.
You respect us. James, what are your thoughts on that? What do you think about that particular? I have no idea.
I'm not going to speak on it because I don't know shit about those corner blitzes because I never had to worry about it. So I don't know which person is right.

I would love for you guys to battle it out and get to

an answer. We should have asked Reed.
Andy Reed.

Should have. We should have said, hey, was that called?

He would have told us. Yeah, he didn't tell us shit.

No. He didn't tell you shit.

Not nothing, brother.

Not nothing, brother. He didn't say anything.

We could have asked him what food was today.

We're going to eat the food that we eat.

We're going to eat the food that we eat and then we're going to dump it out later. You know, standard human stuff.
And then, yeah, it should be good. All right.
Con man has a question for you, JJ. You're getting fucking murdered.
Yeah, holy shit. I can't believe some of the atrocities you are claiming on AQ today.
I'm embarrassed for AQ as a friend. Oh, my God.
What a tough day for AQ. Yeah.
Tough day. I'm embarrassed.
Trust me. Oh, yeah.
He might be right. I don't know.
Who says D-Bot's right? We don't know. We don't know who's right.
AQ could be right. Did they disagree? Yeah.
D-Bot said it was called Corner Blitz. AQ said that it was since the split was in, bang, Corner comes anyways.
Yeah. So, you know, we'd have to ask Spags, and he won't tell us.
He won't. So I don't know if we'll ever get the right answer.
We won't. We won't, but James certainly says...
Hey, he was wrong. Go ahead.
I didn't say he was wrong. You did.
He did. You got to get their shtick.
Their shtick is just like trying to like... Our shtick? Yeah, just pour gasoline on fire.
That's what they want. That's what they want.
Shtick. Shtick.
This guy's so pissed. He is so mad.
Go ahead, Connor. Your shtick is acting like you're not mad.
Oh, shit. It's okay, brother.
JJ, a lot of first-year head coaches. Also, some guys kind of coming back.
Pete Carroll, Mike Vrabel how do you think those uh meetings and everything is going to look for those new teams shoddy in dallas and then essentially they're saying kelly mo also in new orleans the first meeting for a new head coach is always interesting because you it gives you a snapshot i mean it's the whole first impressions you only get one shot them, and it gives you a snapshot into what you should expect throughout their tenure. Some guys come in pure fire and brimstone, motivational.
And you have to remember, this is happening in OTAs. So this is going to happen in probably April.
You're going to come in. That's the first time you actually get to talk to your full team and be in front of them.
So they have a lot of time to think about this, to plan it out. And some guys come in purely motivational and that's a little tough in april because you're getting everybody fired up to go do a 90 minute workout and then head home for the day you know there's not like a true fire and brimstone there for me if i'm a head coach and i'm coming into that meeting for the first time at the beginning ots i want to lay out the vision of why this is going to be successful.
Show these guys that you have a plan. Show these guys that you have it already worked out in your head.
You're visualizing exactly how this is going to go, how we're going to be successful. And here's what I need from you.
Give them a checklist of things that you want them to accomplish to help you reach that goal and how you're all going to come together to accomplish it. Because if you're just hoping to do it on pure motivation or pure tactics on the field it's not going to work you have to really systematically lay it out and give these guys a reason to believe and give you everything they got um how do you feel about jacksonville being located in the county of...
Duval.

What are your thoughts on this?

Because Ty has already made his judgment.

I said we should reserve judgment because we have no idea if this guy's going to be a great head coach or not. I don't think we know if anybody is going to be a great head coach or not,

unless they've done it in the past and have had massive success.

Ty, though, thinks that that guy...

Yeah, he's going to stink.

Okay, that's how he feels.

Your thoughts on players watching this and kind of all unravel before they even get in the building if you don't think players watch that pass it around their own text messages etc you're crazy they absolutely have passed that around and they it does you're going into that first meeting like all right let me feel this guy out let me see what we got i will say that that's just this year's version of uh jonathan gannon shot shots pew pew pew shot shots or the adam gaze uh press conference with the crazy eyes from a few years ago so every year it does seem to be that we get one guy that walks into that press conference and you're like oh what was that um so i do think he's kind of got to kind of got to win the guys back a little bit after that. Don't do that in the first meeting, probably, or do it as a joke and play it off and be like, yeah, what the hell was that? But I don't know.
What do you think? Well, I thought his face knew that his mouth was doing something it shouldn't do, you know, at the time. Because down there in the county of Duval.
You know, both. The head movement, man, and the shoulders.
He rolls the shoulders. Beast.
Killing the game with this one. Yeah, dog.
Basically, the big conversation we had after that was, like, he's just got to be himself all the time. Like, if he's a goober and that's who he is, just be that all the time because if not, the players will sense it.
They'll

see it. You brought up Adam Gase.
That obviously

didn't work out. Then Sirianni had

a situation in his opening press conference where everybody

thought he was a big dumb dipshit. It has

worked out. MCDC, they said

this guy's an absolute dipshit.

It has worked out for him. There's been situations

that have gone good. There's been situations

that have gone bad. So maybe we don't say

that this guy is going to absolutely stink. We'll be back tomorrow.
I don't think the lighting... See you then.
Oh, shh. All right, J.H.
Oh, my God. What a terror.
Embarrassment? Yeah. Oh, my God.
The only thing we say is don't embarrass the program. Yeah.
And that's really the only rule. I...
That's the only rule. That was it.
I did it. I take full responsibility.
Go ahead, AQ. Let it fly.
What does Alex Pereira do? Is that what you think? Exhibit A. Why are your knees so close? Exhibit A.
What? What did he say? Why are your knees so close? Don't listen to him, AQ. AQ's going to kill everybody on set.
Here's a chance. I think AQ very well could be right.
Like, I never said you were wrong. Yeah, the way you laid it out.
I said you guys had differing opinions. That's not what you said.
You listen to it back, you'll see how we all took it the way you meant it to be said thank you said that you

know became a corner because the split and then d-butt said i don't know how would either of them

know nobody knows well you're acting like you you're on one side and i think you can feel that

look at the guys sweat i mean i see like i usually do research before i say some things so i talked

to a quarterback who maybe played for the chiefs when the d coordinator might have been spag so AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH coming at D-butt, not me. No, he's not.
You're not stirring his pot over here, J.J. Don't you think you're driving a wedge over here in the Thunderdome from your estate down there in Texas, pal? Okay, we don't need you high society hoity-toity bullshit and starting brawls over here in Indiana.
Okay, Jage? Okay? Jeez. I have no thoughts on it.
I have no opinion. I don't know shit about shit about corner blitzes.
I know literally less than nothing about them other than that I have to pirate down inside if a guy's coming to my side. That doesn't matter to me at all.
So when you pirate down, is it because of a tight split or is it because the play was called that way? I'm not smart enough to know that type of stuff. Somebody else has to tell me from behind me.
AJ's got to say, hey. Pirate.
Pirate down. What's he say? Arrgh.
Arrgh left. Hey, Jage, arrgh.
That's our code word. I love everything about it.
Alright, speaking of corner, D-Butt has a question for you, Jage. I know you were out in Kansas City for the AFC Championship, and I feel like after the game, you know, it's been a lot of people,

they feel so, so, so sorry for Josh Allen

and losing again to Patrick Mahomes.

What's your thoughts on Josh Allen?

And if he'll ever get over that hump,

that is Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs.

Yeah, I agree with you.

I do think that there are a lot of those sentiments

going out there, like, man, how bad we feel for the Bills, how bad we feel for Josh Allen. He just can't get over it.
We wish he would. I understand that.
I absolutely understand it. I understand how bad it sucks to get that close and not make it and how bad that has to feel.
But if you flipped it and Josh Allen had won three of the last four and going for his fifth, we would be saying the same thing about Patrick Mahomes and his guys. We hate success.
We don't hate necessarily the people that are having the success. So I don't really get this whole feeling sorry for them.
It's a sport. It's not like there was an injury.
It's not like there was some freak thing that happened or some crazy. I mean, I guess there's conversations of some freak things that happened, but neither here nor there.
But it's a sport. At the end of the day, one team wins, one team loses.
It's not like let's feel bad for these guys. That's what it is.
That's what you sign up for. It really sucks.
If you played in a different era, might he have more championships? Yeah. And if he was the one on the other side, would we probably be hating him just like everybody's hating the Chiefs at the moment? Yeah, probably hate success not the people.
Chiefs are heels by far like people hate Philadelphia as a whole but I think 80 percent of the bets are on the Philadelphia Eagles hammer Don Pons. Tone Diggs is that right? That is correct.
Yeah that's because everybody hates the Chiefs like that is. When did they start hating them though like when do you have so much success to where people start hating you? I think going into last year.
Yeah, after the second Super Bowl. Yeah, I think going into last year, it was...
Then he went again, and then obviously Taylor being a part of it all. That's a whole other animal.
That's a whole other piece of it that people hate him. And it's just like, that just kind of comes with it, you know? And I assume modern day, if Jordan was playing right now, Michael Jordan, he would be hated by everybody.
I couldn't even fathom how bad everybody would hate him. Just like everybody hates LeBron James because of how great he is.
Ain't that right, A.G. When did that flip? Everybody loved Michael.
Was it because of the shoe? Was it because of the clothing brand? I think because we didn't have social media. No, they did love Michael, right? Nobody ever really disliked ever really disliked correct yeah everybody loved him but there wasn't social media for you to be able to hear other people yeah yeah like social media modern era you'll hear a reason why you should hate somebody and somebody be like yeah i didn't even think about that fuck this guy and then all of a sudden now bang it's a group think situation and it's like yeah i didn't even know that i hated this guy.
You're right, more Taylor? Yeah, of course, that's fake. That's not a real, boom, boom, boom.
Oh, it must be nice, the refs make all the, it's just one thing leads to another. You know? And that's the world that we're in.
People have always thrown rocks at things that shine, I believe. You know, if you're great or if you're in the spotlight, people have always to knock people down but i think now with social media there's a lot more like good point yep i'm gonna take that as if it's my own and i think those who got to play sports before the social media like congrats i don't think you had to take the blender that is current modern media world that we're in but it's it's good though it's also it's also a contrarian thing where people are like oh everybody likes that guy i don't want to be like everybody like i want to be the guy that doesn't like him and then okay let's get on that bandwagon whereas it's like it's just kind of like that too cool for school like oh yeah they're so good i don't like like okay jalen hurts yeah bingo jalen hurts has some d1 haters because oh super handsome oh i'm so cool i got a cool chain and my girlfriend's hot oh oh and i win oh i'm in the push push i scored touchdowns oh fuck you that's just natural there's like 20 of those tweets a game that's just modern human nature these days with how it is and uh i'll you what, you hang out in the paint, you're going to get dunked on every once in a while.
That's right. But LeBron James, you know, he's had to deal with that his whole career.
He has. He grew up in the social media era.
Michael Jordan didn't have to. He didn't.
This guy's a big Michael Jordan guy. Yeah, he loves him.
Hates LeBron. Hates LeBron.
It's crazy. You still like them both? Yes, amen, you can because you're playing two different sports.
AQ does it. Ain't no party like a – I love that you think it was two different sports.
It is two different sports, actually. It is.
It wasn't even close, AQ. It was physical in the 80s and 90s, and now you can't touch anybody.
I get it. You're telling me six foot eight.
Unbelievable. LeBron wouldn't have a chance against Bill Lambier.
Players missing 400 games. LeBron would have dropped 60 on the Pistons, and I love those Pistons.
What did you say, Zito? Players missing 400 games. LeBron? No, Embiid.
Oh, okay. We're talking about LeBron right now, though.
Modern day, though. Modern day.
Just got it. Different game, though.
Chicago. Chicago, though.
It is is a different game i agree but like um in that particular case the load management is certainly a part of that whole thing lebron doesn't miss games though lebron's still playing i agree yeah super impressive that's where people will argue about the physical wear and tear because of that but the greats of both eras could play like larry bird today you can't oh my god he, you can't hand check. Reggie Miller would actually probably score 35 points a game because you can't hand check.
Yeah, going back to the shooters of the past and abusing the new three-point things would be... Yeah, Michael Redd.
Mark Price would have... Michael Redd would have 50 points a game.
Larry, though. Larry Bird would have...
Lefty and righty would have been able to put up 25 a night. LeBron also never had anyone to run the pick.
I mean, like, Jordan had Bill Wennington running the pick and pop. LeBron never had a guy like that.
I watched the last dance. Bill Cartwright.
Bill Wennington. Who's LeBron's Tony Kukoc? Yeah.
Who's Scotty Pippen? Heaven forbid he has a Luke Longley. Just one time.
I didn't grow up watching Michael Jordan. I wasn't in the basketball world.
I'd watch the Lake Show late at night, but the only thing I saw was Jordan highlights all the time. So I'm like, damn, this guy is unbelievable.
The highlights are unbelievable unbelievable then i watched that last dance and it's like okay this is not the same basketball that they're playing nowadays every sport evolves every sport gets better but i'll tell you what if lebron james saw somebody dribbling like this he's he's picking that pocket and he's taking off you know j, Jordan Duncan from the foul line. That was a big deal.

Big deal.

Big deal.

LeBron, 6'8", would have done that on everybody the entire time.

Not saying Jordan wouldn't dominate nowadays.

I think Jordan would dominate anything he tried to do.

Other than golf.

I guess he's good at golf, but he's not dominant at golf.

He's dunking at baseball.

Okay, in baseball, I guess he could do it.

But if he was to play modern basketball, I think he would dominate.

I believe that Michael Jordan...

But you could say that about any era in any sport, right?

Like, you get... Okay, in baseball, I guess you could do it.
But if he was to play modern basketball, I think he would dominate.

I believe that Michael Jordan... But you could say that about any era in any sport, right?

Yes.

You only play who you can play, and you only know what you know in terms of whatever.

They weren't lifting weights and running and doing all that stuff in 1960,

but Joe Namath was still a damn good quarterback.

If Joe Namath was today, you take that talent, you put it with all the stuff,

he can probably compete and be pretty damn good here.

You said probably there.

I'm not giving a probable with Michael Jordan.

I think Michael Jordan would have been great in this era.

Yeah.

Just like I think LeBron would have been great back then.

For sure.

Okay, so you agree.

All right.

We met in the middle.

We met in the middle.

Two different sports.

We did it.

Congratulations.

AQ, I'm going to build you back up. My buddy Evan texted me and said, has AQ been on a powerlifting regimen? Because he looks jacked.
He does. Lift those arms up.
No, no, no. Lift those arms up.
No, I just run hot. You're allowed to sweat.
You're allowed to sweat. You're allowed to sweat.
That means you're efficient. It is Walter Hagen, I think.
Walter Hagen! You got the Hagen. Who would be a good golfer today? Golf is one of the sports, I think, just kind of because you're playing against the horse.
Baseball is different. Think about baseball back in the day.
You're pitching against guys that never get taken out, and they're pitching complete games all the time. I think that's a little bit different.
Well, what did they throw? They threw like 85 back then, right? Some guys, but some guys were modern marvels and were throwing like 110. No one, Ryan.
What? And were throwing like, I'm dead serious. Maybe the radar guns were a little fucked up back then? No, look at the big, trying to find clips of the big train.
Walter Johnson, he was like 6'9". He threw like 110 miles an hour and pitched every day.

Every inning.

I think he died because his arm fell off.

I gotta see footage.

Walter Johnson was an absolute

cause of death.

Arm fell off.

Bob Feller.

He threw too much gas.

That's why he died.

Paul Skeen's better watch it.

Bob Feller, you think you get a nickname like the fucking heater from Van Meter if you're not throwing absolute gas? Yeah, but we're talking about gas for the time. We're not talking about gas.
No, I mean, by and large, yeah, guys were throwing fucking 85 miles an hour right down the middle, but a couple guys were. When the Bambino was swinging the stick, what were they pitching? Well, he played in the Walter Johnson era, so he saw the big train.
They're probably throwing those junk balls too, though. They're loading up the ball with snot and everything, making it move nine feet.
For sure, but no, I mean, guys today are a thousand times better than they were back then. Two different sports.
Yeah. Hockey goalies.
Did he more pass? Hockey, the old Gretzky highlights. There's some Gretzky highlights out there where he's just dancing around the entire squad solo well he had that goon with him too you know so everybody was scared to get within six feet of waino which is how every team should treat their superstar but yeah sports evolved they're different that's why comparing a different era to a different era is just like a very hard thing to do i think but that's my thing is like everybody else played in that era too so it's like like because i look at pete the wayne the argument people like well look he was just dancing around but well nobody else danced around everybody the way he did how come nobody else scored a thousand goals and a thousand assists like how come he was so much more dominant than everybody else because he was the best that kind of goes to aq's argument whereas if you put joe montana in today's world and he has the everything modern he's gonna do it to that level just like he did

nobody else in his era was gonna do it to that level joe montana joe namath both western

pennsylvania guys they would have fit in in any year marino danny marino of course yeah western

yeah i mean just name it pittsburgh yeah bingo yeah that's it that's why will howard how do you

feel about will howard i love will howard me too how come it's not being talked about i don't know

Thank you. Yeah.
I mean, just name it Pittsburgh. Yeah, bingo.
Yeah. That's it.
That's why Will Howard. How do you feel about Will Howard? I love Will Howard.
Me too. How come it's not being talked about? I don't know.
He's 6'5". He's 240.
He can sling it. He can run it.
Yeah. He won a national championship.
It's the face. It's the face.
It's got to be the face. Should he grow a beard? No one wants to look at that guy.
I don't think he can grow a beard. I don't think he can grow a beard.
Paint one on, maybe. help him out for the combine.
What are you saying? You're saying like Ryan, why are you saying painting beards? What are you bringing up? I mean, like Carlos Boozer back in the day. Oh, okay.
Not Ryan. Well, easy.
The Boozer did not paint his beard on. It just looked good.
He painted his hair. Yeah, sure.
AJ, you ever had a beard on? No, I can't really grow very much facial hair at all, actually. How about you, Jay? Did you ever have clean face?

Yeah.

Yeah, I used to have clean face for a long time.

Back of my face is actually rounder than it is, so it was probably a mistake.

But no, I was... Hey, you should not have a beard.

I mean, you can't cover up that chisel rock right there.

I wish.

I mean, that would be nice, but yeah, it's never been a thing I've been able to do.

Yeah, I always try to keep a little bit of stuff on it to cover up all the face.

You know what I mean?

But I'm more clean face now than I've ever been, really.

What's the longest your beard's ever been?

I tried to grow it that one time.

It's bad.

I got bad.

I got to keep it tight.

I can't go too long.

I start looking like a...

I'm not going to say it. What would's not time to say it.
No. It looks bad.
It looks bad. What could it be? I'm lost.
I'm not going to get into it. Now it's not time.
Hey, did you hear about the moon landing? 1969? Holy fuck. Jay, did you hear about it? No, dude.
Somebody fill in here because uh i saw there was discourse about this but i i have not been able to see it what was the argument high level we watched it for the first time yesterday you know because last year's super bowl was the most watched television thing since the moon landing moon landing had 650 million people watching it live okay this is like guy throwing 110 back whenever they didn't have radar 650 million people watch that thing live we actually watched it yesterday live the moon landing uh including the call from president nixon up to neil and buzz up there on the moon and uh it turned into a day that connor would never forget connor uh connor had a change of mind, I, on a lot of it. He was the only one, though.
He was the only one. Now, with that being said, it's a good lead-in to a ratings conversation from Ty Schmidt, J.H.
Yeah, J.H., with everything we've talked about, people sick and tired of the Chiefs, don't want to see another Chiefs-Eagles Super Bowl since we just saw one recently, the ref discussion, all that mumbo-jumbo. Do you think this year's Super Bowl ratings are going to be higher or lower than last year? We've kind of been going back and forth on this.
Well, last year was on CBS, so I'm a company man. I will say that I'm going to just guess just a touch lower just because that's my company.
But I also... People are watching, man.
It's the Super Bowl. A lot of people said they're not going to watch.
I saw at least 100 tweets. I saw at least 100 tweets.
Seven of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by Brady or Mahomes. 14 of the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by Brady, Mahomes, or a Manning brother.
Like, the same people are winning it every year. So you're complaining about something that's been happening for 20-plus years.
It's the same people winning the Super Bowl, the same people in the Super Bowl, even if they're not winning it. You've been watching the whole time.
The ratings have continued to go up every single time, and you continue to shit on everybody else who doesn't win Super Bowls. Hey, hand up, man up, me also.
But you're in the era of these guys where 70% of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by two people. So every other, like, it is what it is, man.
It's hard to do. These two have figured it out at an unbelievably high level.
They continue to do it, appreciate it, watch it for what it is, see if the Eagles can knock them off. It should be a great game, but let's not act like you're not tuning in because of this or because of that.
You're watching the Super Bowl, man. What else are you going to do on that Sunday? What are you doing for the Super Bowl? Are you having a big Super Bowl party? A shindig, if you will, at the J.J.
Watt house? No. I will be watching it.
That's it. Yeah, I don't know how people watch in big groups.
We tried it one time, I think. We did a Super Bowl watch thing, a couple of them.
And I think we enjoy it because we're around each other a lot. But the people that do the big parties, I don't know.
Yeah, and then even these last couple of years, we've just watched it on our own. It's been like, man, it's pretty nice.
It's really nice. It's different when you cover it.
Every day. It's day to day.
If you're just going to a Super Bowl a Super Bowl party and you work in, like, an office setting, like, you get fucked up and you're just, like, shooting the shit with people. And, like, you're watching the game unless you have, like, an actual rooting interest.
But, like, it's just, it's another big event, another excuse to get incredibly boozed up. Okay, so it's just viewed as an opportunity.
Yeah, it's just a huge party. Got it.
Yeah, but then you got that guy asking, like, oh, how are the kids? Like, how's school? And then you're like, dude, it's third and seven right now. Like, what the fuck, dude? Just leave me alone.
God, I don't care about the queso dip at this exact moment, buddy. Like, leave me alone.
No, I don't need another period. Oh, geez.
Sorry. Sorry to some guys just trying to fucking, you know, ask about how your kids are doing.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sorry.
Sorry, buddy. Like, I don't need you in my life at this moment right now it is hard to watch football in public though i think you know i'd assume much harder for you too and you d butt and you aq but i think it was the year i retired i did like a watch party thing at one of these places like a sunday watch party and i don't want to say people are stupid but the things that people ask about when watching a game it's like wow i uh i don't have an answer for that i don't i don't i don't even know what the the way people take in games i think is vastly different than how some other people take i don't know you just blitz every time yeah exactly yeah it's like there's those things i don, why don't they just run that play every time? It's like, okay, all right.
And then the people that question everything everybody does, it's like, they've only watched like 30 hours of film this week for this particular play. You know, like, I think it is a little tough.
I think it is sometimes a little difficult to kind of handle that. But as long as you love ball, who cares, I guess.
Yeah, I mean, I'm guessing if you played in the league or like actually played in a Super Bowl Bowl or whatever, you shouldn't be going to a Super Bowl party with just some Joe Schmo who's going to ask you a thousand questions. That's an average American who, because you got 50% of the people there are just there for the commercials.
Oh, commercials this year. Excited for the commercials this year, Jage.
Are you in any of them? No, I am not. I am excited for them as well i look forward to seeing jage is not in a well you're in all the commercials this year what do you mean you're not surprised he's rivet i don't believe him certain mba probably no uh similar to my career oh thank you just laughed thank you i didn't i'm drinking'm trying to hype him up.
I'm trying to build him back up. Apparently, I shit on him earlier, which I wasn't.
You were. You were.
You did. You watched it back.
You did. You disrespected him a little bit.
You don't let them gash you. You disrespected him a little bit.
Oh, I did. You did.
Don't let them gash you. Don't even acknowledge it.
It'll just keep going. Nah, you did.
You did. A little bit.
Mm-hmm. You did.
Have you seen, I'm sure you have, but the guy on Twitter, X, whatever it is, who every post I post, I'm sure he does it to yours as well, tells me how many wipes he does every time. No.
That guy's cracking me up right now. I've not seen that.
Is that? Anything I post you post like a number of wipes he was like i did 10 i did 10 wipes after this and i'll post like i'll post like uh i was in kansas city for the game like yeah after the kansas city game i had 115 wipes like cracking me up okay so i want to let you guys know the uh yesterday i believe i was going through it a little bit out of the basement i had a six wiper and i thought to myself holy shit this is a lot of wipes and then i immediately remembered that is nothing in comparison to what you do in there and you do in there and hammer don don tone does in there at six i was almost exhausted i'm like can my butt cheeks take anymore i don't know and then i remembered these dudes are doing 100 wipes for one shit yeah i don't even know how that works how do your pipes not blow up every aq are you here for this this conversation yeah it's every wednesday how many pipes uh how many wipes have you done uh i mean max max oh that's some situations but i'd say uh yes yes that's what we're talking about we're talking about those situations situation might be like uh probably like a six to eight but then like you might get like a little like itchy butt syndrome and you might have to go back for like two or three more you know so it would have been a 10 wiper you think think? 10 wiper. That sounds like a lot, doesn't it?

It does. It's nothing compared to what these guys

do. I heard 50.

No, it was AJ.

AJ said 100, I think, one time.

Yeah, they dropped it down. Yeah, I mean, yeah.

There are those times. Sure, you

can stop early and then have to go back later.

Yeah, but like... Early,

like what, 25? It's just a mess,

man. Alright, we're getting out of here.
I can't do it. Are you going to be down in New Orleans next week? No, are you? Yeah, I thought you were going to be there.
No, I'm not. We're going to be down.
I'm coming up to the dome. Really? I actually am.
I don't believe it. Do you? But I found out you're not back.

This is your last Wednesday show until like three weeks from now.

So that hurt my plans.

But when we come back, I'm coming.

Well.

Really?

I don't know if.

If I'm invited.

Am I locked out?

We're here also that week.

Oh, yeah.

Because we'll be.

Yeah.

Well, it doesn't need to be that week.

But you're back in general, right?

Yeah, we'll be back in general. But I think we're going to be potentially this might be a news breaker we're gonna be at the combine i do believe live from the combine downtown indianapolis indiana looking at the future of the nfl we'll have these eyes on i don't think we're allowed to have camera on it though no it's become a big conversation behind the scenes on where we're allowed to be what the background is allowed to be how long we're allowed to even look at them with our eyes versus what everybody else is it's a whole thing it's a whole thing yeah yeah i guess there's rights and stuff for what you're oh i see yeah you know and we're like just put us right there on the top it'll be great yes have the thing right behind us well will you show the thing definitely what are we there for you can't okay what tell me that before you ask me so why are we going so why should we do it from the building yeah there's a lot there's a lot of that you know a lot of that but do it from the train station man just set that shit up in the train station get the real stories yeah you're right we should do that we will get the real stories down there i wonder how many wipes they do at the train station they don't wipe yeah what oh with the with the amount of drinks and food that's going down at that thing that train station has seen some wipes that's right a lot of poops they don't wipe they eat yeah let's get to a break jage thank you man thank you that was really good uh really good hit out of you today you're coming to the thunderdome always that's awesome news i am i looked it up i found out where it is i am coming i found it and thankfully connor told me there's an airport a lot closer than the airport i was looking at so whenever you're back in the thunderdome let me know i'm showing up we'll see you in april that's a long time we'll see if you still want to do it yeah it's one of those things find anola get some beignets oh yeah maybe a little uh king's cake i believe is what it's called some crepes maybe some crepes some really thin pancakes yeah what else they got crowd dance oh.
Yeah. Love Po' Boys.
Fried alligator. I will eat some fried alligator.
I'm not scared to eat a little alligator. Uh-oh.
D-Bo, you going to eat a little alligator? I'll eat a little alligator. Super greasy, fatty chicken.
A little alligator down there. What are you going to eat down there? You going to have a little alligator on there? Everything.
I love New Orleans. Gumbo pop.
New Orleans food's good.

Very good, yeah.

I got one more before I go.

You got to stop swinging your feet like that, man.

You got to stop swinging your feet like that.

Holy shit.

Ladies and gentlemen, JJ Watt.

Thank you, JJ.

Jeez Louise.

What happened?

I don't know.

I thought you guys used to walk together. He must be mad whenever I pancaked him when he played in Houston.
Oh, no. He's gonna call back.
He definitely called it back. He can call back because I got the video right here on my phone.
Yeah. It's in the favorites.
Bring me back. Bring me back.
Bring me back. You said anyone want to watch it?

You got the video in your favorites on your phone.

That's all you need to know, buddy.

This has been just for this moment.

It has been waiting just for this moment.

It'll be too easy to find.

Just for this moment.

Ladies and gentlemen,

a man who was once pancaked by AQ Shipley,

J.J. Wong.

That was amazing.

Let's get to a break.

Thank you.

This one goes in.

You can pancake.

Perfect.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, jeez. I thought maybe you still had him.

I thought he was going in.

You don't, though.

Turns out he didn't make one yesterday for a reason.

Connor did a few hours of research after the show yesterday.

He got into a couple rabbit holes.

Yeah, we didn't go, brother.

Change your opinion at all, Connor, man?

Where are you?

No, but he did change his name to Connor Jinping.

That's not true.

That's not true.

I did not. I don't know.
Oh, boy. They never went to the moon, man.
It's fucked up. Happy Chinese New Year to you, Connor.
Thank you. You're the dragon.
Interesting. Snake, Bruce the same.
See, look, I don't know. That was...
I saw a couple graphics and I was like, oh, that's a cool dragon. Ty, you thinking about having a conversation with Connor about everything he learned the other day? I did, but I usually don't want to engage Chinese sympathizers too much.
So I tend to just stay away. That's his truth.
He can stick with it. I ain't a CCP sympathizer.
Were you guys playing that little video game console yesterday? The Swedish gaming device? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Why don't you show it? You can show it on air sometime. it's on your feed right now if you open up any social media feed i don't know how they're able to market that i don't know how they're just shoving it in everybody's face hey we've stolen everything from everybody that's ever created anything and it's right here on one device for 75.99 that's right the swedes huh worth it yeah they're smart they are the swedes sweet brilliant yeah on the other side we got uh in the trenches and everything db good d bad d and maybe a little conflict of uh a play call in play design hey kush what happened out out there which age do you think? I'll still be mad about 2012, I don't know.
I don't know.

2012?

I don't know. I don't know.
Got it right here. Got it right here to watch.
Who wants to see it? You know when you cut to AQ early on in the whole scum, I said, okay. Just real quiet.
Okay. He was so mad.
There was something like that that happened, I don't know, maybe 15 weeks ago. I went home.
I was like, I'm fucking finding every goddamn clip I played against this guy for one goddamn moment. That's amazing.
His pit stains got from his armpit down to his head. I was watching him grow.
He's getting actually heated. Race the rudder.
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Football!

He's amazing.

That's A.J. Hawk.

The Talks at Tables here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt.

Let the ponies run.

Yeah. Fun, man.

And our pony did.

All the way back to Baltimore.

Chuck Pagano.

Oh, is that the white horse there in the front?

Yeah, yeah, I guess so.

That kind of just came to me when he said, let the ponies run. Yeah, we're going to mischuck around here, aren't we? Well, you know.
One less we have to worry about, am I right? What do we worry about? You know. No, I don't know.
Those Italian tricks? Oh, my God. What about the donuts? Exactly.
One less day of him trying to fatten us up. I will say, I thought about that as I was reading the news yesterday, as it was made official that he was going back to Baltimore.
I was like, what are we going to do without, as we play drums on the microphone, what are we going to do without the thousand donuts that are brought through this Thunderdome office every fall from Chuck Pagano? What are we going to do without all the meetings that happen outside of the Thunderdome? What are we going to do without everything that Chuck Pagano brings to the Thunderdome? I don't know, Ty. I legitimately don't know what we're going to do without him.
Me neither, because some days I'll come in, didn't have a great night's sleep, and I pop that open. So that's the donut I asked for.
I asked Chuck to make sure that. And, you know, what's the first thing he's's gonna do if he pops open that box of donuts and it's not a particularly good batch he said okay let me know whose ash do i need to get on yeah because he'll call he will he will call up there and say this isn't right we've actually had to craft this donut box to become what it has become i feel like we finally got it right actually over years years of years of crafting these donut boxes these donut boxes.
We got a couple apple fritters. Yep.
We got a couple frosties. We got a couple glazies.
We got a couple sticksies. We got another box of theseies.
I mean, it's really come together pretty nicely. And I feel like in the last five weeks is really the time it's been correct more so than ever.
Never again. Although on the plus side, we aren't going to have that screeching brain aneurysm noise when he leaves his hearing aids over there.
Oh, yeah, because he's deaf. Yeah.
We're going to miss him. We are going to miss him.
Bad times. Connor.
True dude. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J.
Butler. We're going to miss him.
Of course we're going to miss him. He went out on a great note, though.
Hit the shot. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. It's sucking.
You're right. I forgot about that.
Was that a below 500 record? Is that going out on a high note? I don't know. You guys told me he's behind us.
Shit. Only good is your last shot.
The books were cooking that guy. Okay? He had some ideas.
He waffled a few different times. We all know what happens when he waffles.
That's why Miss Tina stayed in Boise. He'll be out there in Baltimore.
Jimmy's Famous Seafood said he'll give him free crab cakes whenever he's out there. If it's for free, I'll take three.
Love that line. I've never heard that line before.
I'll certainly take that as my own going forward. 12-year NFL veteran, Super Bowl champion, a guy who got dunked on by J.J.
Watt today numerous times. Thank you, Shikin.
I think you got the last laugh. I did see that video from 2012.
You dumped him on his back. Thanks, dude.
I appreciate it. I'm pretty proud of you.
Thank you. The Trench is obviously a place we like to visit every single week with you, chit-chatting about offensive line play and who's good, who's crap, who's great, who's not.
Who's going to win because their big boys, their fatzos, are able to move other bodies. Let's do one last one here for the championship weekend.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to go In the Trenches with A.Q. Shipley.
I've been A.Q. And then there was two.
We are down to the final two teams. Put my readers on.
One team who has been among the absolute best all year, and then this team. And then this team.
Jeez Louise. And then this team.
You have not believed in the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line at all. No, but I will say, this was the best this line has looked all year long, and they save it for a very important moment against a very good football team.
And here's why I want to showcase this. We got three plays in this little sequence.
Whenever you look at this, see the two tight ends lined up in the backfield? We got Kelsey and Noah Gray. They came out with this.
They have not shown this all year. They line up with two tight ends in the backfield and then Pacheco behind in the dot.
They come out like this. They motion one over.
It comes like a diamond formation. First play, they send them both weak.
You get a little plus five run. No big deal.
Cool. We're just setting it up.
Now let's go a couple plays later. Do the exact same thing.
Line up with two in the backfield. Send him over.
Get the diamond formation. Now we're going to send them opposite, still downhill.
We get the guard and the tackle pull. And guess what? Kareem Hunt in the end zone.
Look like a stud. Get him in the end zone.
Right? Now we go to the fourth quarter. Make it break it time.
What do they think? Okay, we've shown it two ways. We've shown zone.
We've shown counter. We're going to do the exact same thing.
We're going to pull the guard and the tackle, make it look like counter. Nope.
Keep it. Now the tight ends are your lead blockers.
Mahomes, touchdown. So that was all a setup.
All of it. All of it.
And that's the difference between calling a game and calling plays. That's exactly right.
You set it up and like that first play might go for four. Cool.
That's alright. We're just showing it.
Now they're going to play. Now the guys are going to go back with the tight ends.
Okay, cool. Next time we're going to run the counter.
Now they're going to fly over the top thinking it's Mahomes or the tight ends go back this way and oh nobody comes over here. Then the next time everybody goes with the counter and then Mahomes out the other side.
AJ, what's the conversation whenever they line up like that? Check, check, check. You guys are acting as if you haven't figured out.
You think that's what the Buffalo Bills defense did? Well, they're trying to. I would assume after the first time they showed that, they go on the sideline and they're saying, hey, if they do this again, this is our adjustment.
This is where you line up. This is where we make the close call, whatever.
All of that stuff. The fact they hit them with it three times in three different plays and how they ran everything, yeah, that could cause some confusion.
Look at the Buffalo Bills. Look at everybody.
Like everybody trying to get on the same page here. Yeah, Milano over to the left.
That's where it was last time. Nope, gone.
We're taking it the opposite direction. On the sideline, they're saying, how are we playing this? They can run it left or they can run it right.
We're going to play balance now. We're going to play balance now.
They could go either way here. We've got to figure it out.
And then Patrick Mahomes says, Oop, I'm going out the back door. Yep, see ya.
Travis Kelsey lead blocking. What a beautiful play.
Yeah, and Milano's the only backer there too. Yeah, so they've got a safety down.
They've got a nickel down, right? And then basically Milano right there, the first time flies with the tight ends. The next time he sees the counter and he's just stuck in that little hesitation.
Enough for Mahomes.

How do you stop it, D-Bot?

I don't know. You shoot him in the head.

Penetration. Penetration kills

everything. I guess

shooting him in the head would work.

That's going to be hard to get a gun out there.

Can we go back to the first play of the

zone? Just the one that went for five?

So if you watch this, so let it run,

let it run, let it run, and then you'll see Kelsey as both these tight ends go back, right? So watch this. So there, and then Kelsey fakes like there, and then he goes out.
Now watch that. See that? That's what's next off of this.
You watch. Oh, a little throw.
There's going to be a little throw off of this. Oh, yeah.
The extension is one game. That's exactly right.
You tell Philly? I don't know. It's going to happen.
There's going to be something else off of that. Vic Fangio knows.
Completely different. Speaking of Philly.
Philadelphia. We got the bunch, right? You see A.J.
Brown right there at the point. He's got the toughest block.
We got to seal the edge, but guess what? Let's watch Malata. First play of the game, boys.
First play of the game. Washington has a nice drive.
A couple fourth down conversions. They get points on the road in the playoff game.
Nope. My lot of throws his ass down.
Go, son!

Saquon in space. Nobody can

tackle him. See you later.
First

play of the game. Myata's

mic'd up for this. Go, son!

Go, son! It is a great

clip. Yeah, he starts laughing and he's running down there.

Saquon's special, but this offensive line

sets it all up. I forget what the yardage was before

contact, but he would be the top three

rusher in the NFL before contact, let alone everything else. Can we go back to the top of this particular play, Foxy? The important part is they're all on a string, aren't they, A.Q.? Absolutely.
Absolutely. You get the down block, and then Goddard.
Look, see that right there? That's huge right there. Smith going in motion, because it takes the DB out of there, right? And then it's easy.
Goddard out in front. Everybody else does what they do, and they all just go, and nobody can tackle in secondary for Washington.
What's that, D-Butch? No, just that's tough, man. It's tough.
Because you got two DBs, probably three DBs had a chance to get him down, but you can't arm tackle him like you. Watch Wagner too, right? Wagner gets caught in the down block here.
Watch this. Almost tore his damn knee up.
Boom, right here, and then he just gets caught right there, and then he can't get over the top. He's the guy that should make that play.
Almost hyperextended to me there. He might have.
That's not good. Yeah.
Make it a mush, and then Saquon Barkley takes it to the crib. And then the last play for the day.
Let's take a look. Obviously, Lane Johnson, the whole right side.
Lane Johnson, Becton, and the center are all going to back block. They all got to down block, keep their guys sealed.
We're pulling the back side. As we pull, boom, we get the guard kicker.
Watch my lot on Wagner. Boom.
Take him 10 yards. Keep going.
Keep going. Throw his ass on the ground.
That was a game of six there, seven there. That's all right.
We're just making our presence known by putting people on the ground. My out is the real deal, huh? He's awesome.
I mean, he's absolutely awesome. Their whole offensive line is awesome, but what Maillotta has been able to do,

coming over, being kind of a project

and turning it into an all-pro tackle,

absolute dog.

He was what, rugby player?

Yeah.

Good feet.

Here's a clip of the first play of the game here

of Maillotta enjoying the hell out of Saquon.

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Let's celebrate. It's too far away.
We're going to kick the extra point. That's a fun group, man.
That's a very fun group. Hey, that's great.
Entrenches, AQs. Let'sQ.
Let's go, everything DB. Good D, bad D.
Let's go, let's go. Let's get to it.
And just like AQ, there's only two teams on here, the final two. This is the blitz we've been talking about, fourth and five spags.
We've got the corner blitz up top. Just the execution.
Corner blitz you see. And then up top, Karloff is also getting out to that edge, forcing Josh Allen to pull up so he's not able to extend his play and break that pocket and avoid the blitz.
Pull up and then obviously make this throw, and Kincaid drops the damn ball. But you cannot run it back to the beginning.
So we talked about this obviously ad nauseum at this point, but when you come out with this condensed split, this cut split, you make it easy for the defense to not only disguise but to execute this blitz. You got Reed coming up the middle.
You got McDuffie coming off the edge and ends up in the B gap with Reed. I know AQ protection standpoint.
Is there any way you guys can pick this up if they saw this pre-snap? So it's such a pipe dream to say. But if we just take a look down here at the bottom, right? Stop right there.
Three DBs, right? You got the two DBs up close, and then you got the safety behind. There's three, and how many receivers do we have? Four.
Four. Three over four.
That tells you somebody else has to drop into coverage, right? So you think it's either going to be Bolton, or you think it's going to drop this DN, which also tells you, AJ, right? It's going to be some form of a zone pressure, right? And so if that's the case, a quarterback can sit there and make a rip call, but you don't know if it's going to be the D end. You also don't know with Bolton having a piece of the center, piece of the center meaning right here on his shoulder, that you don't know which one of those two are going to be the droppers.
So it's tough for a quarterback pre-snap to make a rip call. If you make a rip call, now you full slide right.
But even if you do make the rip call, every single one of them from left guard over has to fight through

one to get to another. So to sit here

and be like, there's a lot of talking heads

out there saying, yeah, we just got to

fix protection. Well, in order to fix protection,

it sounds like a pipe dream to me because

you got to push through people, which

is hard because if they even come anywhere

up the field at all, you can't

get through that guy to get to the next guy. Well, then you got Chris

Jones down here on an island. Not that Deion Dawkins

isn't ready for it, but that guy to get to the next guy. Well, then you got Chris Jones

down here on an island. Not that Deion Dawkins

isn't ready for it, but that's a whole different animal

by itself. Bingo.

That's exactly right. What a play.
Great call by Speck.

What a throw.

That's nuts. For him

to even get that throw off

and Kincaid have a shot at catching

it, that was incredible by Josh. But great job.

Great execution by the defense.

The corner can only come if it's going to be

a split safety look. Moving

I'm not sure. And can K have a shot at catching it? That was incredible by Josh.
But great job, great execution by the defense. The corner can only come if it's going to be a split safety look.
Moving on to the next play. Speaking of this defense, Philadelphia Eagles, we always talk about next man up.
Kobe Dean went down a couple weeks ago, tore his knee up. He'll be out for the rest of the playoffs.
Oren Burks has stepped up and done a tremendous job. They did a good job against Jayden last week in the NFC Championship game.

Watch Nolan Smith off the edge with the bootleg.

Pulls the quarterback up once again.

Oren Burks pulls his trigger, gets him down on the ground.

If you run it back to the beginning one more time,

down here at the bottom of the screen, big play Slade.

They wanted to double move down here.

Big play Slade is all over this.

If you watch the bottom of the screen, I think it's De'Ami Brown running this. Come back and.
All over it. He's not there.
D-line does their job. Linebacker pulls his trigger, gets the quarterback on the ground.
So on every level of this defense, they're clicking on all cylinders. Ten takeaways right now.
No giveaways on offense. That's a recipe for success.
And that's how you put up 55 points to beat the absolute dog shit out of the commanders. That wasn't a takeaway here, but this next play here, the exciting whites along with Zach Bond.
You see where Zach Bond is pre-snap. Now, you run this play, De'Ami Brown's coming over in motion.
He's going to get this pass. Boom, quick screen pass.
Just watch the pursuit from this whole defense, and then the punch out from 53 and 33. I don't know who's going to get credited.
I don't know who's going to get credited. If it's going to be Zach or Cooper because Cooper's kind of pulling at it too.
And I've been in these positions. I'm sure AJ probably has been in these some of these sideline conversations with, hey, I was punching it.
Hey, I was pulling it. Who's going to get the credit for it? The violence of the punch I think Zach Bond will probably get credit, but Cooper Dezean was also punching and gnawing

at it as well. So let's talk about that.

Is that, would that be a half?

Did they give halves?

They don't give half and cause fumbles.

So you got half sacks, obviously.

Half sacks, which you've heard

and you've seen people argue about those.

Oh yeah, argue about those, wanting to fold or wanting to have.

But Cooper Dezean's saying, you didn't even

touch the ball. My hand is the only one that touched the ball.
You can see his hand's the one that kind of scoops it out there. I think that's one exciting whites, zero bond.
I thought I said sure. Cooper's a team guy, so he don't give a shit, but I do.
Cooper DeGene forced that fumble. And I just want that to be known.
On the record. Who was it given to? Do we know? I don't know.
We should look that up. I'm assuming Bond.
Everybody's been saying Bond, though. They said it on the broadcast.
He doesn't even touch the ball, though. Doesn't even touch it.
No, I would like to. I wish it was a halver.
I wish I could give it a halver. And it was great.
They should set that up maybe a little bit more. Bond got the credit? Yeah, Bond got the credit.
How do you feel about it, Ty? Again, you know, Coop don't give a shit. And guess what? Super Bowl Sunday is his 22nd birthday.
So, I mean, he's got a special play in his holster still. So, he won't worry about it.
He's just going to go out and do the dirty work, do the things that, you know, no one's asking him to do. But, I mean, when he started playing, this Eagles defense kind of went to a new level so you know happy birthday to he and Saquon Barkley celebrating a birthday on February 9th happy birthday Super Bowl birthdays two of them on the same team you would assume that would bode well for them do we have some bad do you hear bad D and uh this is kind of along the same theme that AQ was on with uh sequences of some of these plays the third down in the second half you'll see Hollywood Brown.
Watch Kyra Elam down here. So we always talk about getting on different levels.
When you pause it here in man-to-man coverage, the reason you get on different levels, especially against bunches and stacks, is because you want to avoid the picks. And Elam does a terrible job here avoiding the pick, allowing Hollywood Brown to get free on this third and fourth.
You saw the trips bunch, and you saw Perrine kind of leak out from the backfield there on this play as well. But now once you get the pick, you get a free runner.
So right here, pause it. Final formation, you got Perrine, the back.
So it's a four by one. You got the back offset to there as well.
You got the pick route crossers with the back coming to the flat. You run it third and four.
You get Hollywood Brown free here. Boom.
Big third down conversion to go put some points on the board. Now you fast forward to the end of the game.
The third nine. Boom.
You get a shift. So you come out in one formation.
It's four by one to the boundary. Now they shift to the field.
Very similar concept. Now you got a bunch of these crossers become picks.
You bring Pariah from the opposite side of the field and he gets the biggest first down of the game to pretty much seal this one. So everything Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, this offense is doing, it seems like they're kind of setting you up from when it matters most in the fourth quarter to kind of put the games away.
So once again, great execution, great play calls. Bernard's right's right here he's trying to cover the back you're never going to get through all that traffic they're playing chess not checkers always doesn't matter that he starts to the right of Mahomes leaking to the left flat that's that makes it a little tougher but with where Bernard was uh alignment wise I feel like he was in a pretty good spot but alignment wise but it's just that just that traffic.
Like, you bring in three guys in, and their job is really – they're not even really trying to get open. Like, they're just trying to run in his pathway without actually hitting them so they don't get called for the OPI.
And then I just got to get out there. D-Buck, sorry, but when I watch – he and Milano are two-on-one on that back.
I guess the only thing I guess he could have done is they would have, like, in and out, out and both of them have outside leverage and if he like went and got up on the line of scrimmage like off to the right I've done that in the past if you're beat to the flat like that like say 4-3 goes up there on the edge on the right and he's like hey if he comes back across the ball like I got him here obviously you protect me Milano if he breaks back inside you got him then him then. Yeah, you said punt.
So pre-snap. Pre-snap.
I'm talking pre-snap. Yeah, 43, which is to go all the way outside of that defensive end, basically.
Yeah, you're basically playing the play, which you can't really do. But if you have help inside, I guess you could have.
Like I said, this is like just watching this over you in real time. That's almost impossible to do.
But if they showed that before and they had worked on it, something you could

possibly do. Oh, you're saying that he should

have won all the way outside as if he

was... Just completely remove it.

Take the pick out of it. Like, hey, if he comes

across, if that bat comes across the ball, I'm up here

on the line of scrimmage. I'm basically grabbing him

as soon as he clears the tackle box.

And Pirine being the guy,

does that change anything for them, AJ? Because he's

obviously not like a star player for the

Kansas City Chiefs. I mean,

I don't know. Maybe it may get your

I'm going to go actually part of it. It was like, yeah, nobody thinks you're going to the fourth-string running back there.
He's actually wide open. He's in the NFL.
He should be able to catch the ball. It was kind of the thought.
P. Ryan, nobody thought P.
Ryan was getting the ball right there. In my eyes.
I mean, their offense. Obviously, you got Travis Kelsey and Worthy, the first-round pick this year.
But you never know who's going to be that guy that would. It's crazy.
It could be D-Hop. It could be Juju.
Noah. It could be Gray.
Like, you don't know. And Piran, he was in on the third and four earlier, too, so maybe he's their third down back.
But you never know who that guy is going to be. It's not like they're just centered around one guy in their passing game.
So it's difficult. You've got to be on point.
Biggest play of the season. Who's going to get it? Samaji Piran, obviously.
Of course. We knew that for the Kansas City Chiefs.
He's going to catch it. Hey, great everything, DB.
DB. All right.
Before we get out of here, AQ, you know, you've had a day today. Tough one.
Great day. I thought it was a great day.
I thought it was a great day. Me too.
Yeah, great day. I thought you had a great day.
There's been some moments. Great days can be tough.
Yeah. But I didn't think it was a tough day.
I thought you had a good day today. I thought before the show, great energy over there.
Thank you. Thank you.
I think Jage sent a couple at you, and you handled it pretty well, I think. You even pulled up a favorites video.
You thought about it. We wanted to do a little trip down nostalgia lane.
Now all you got to do is just win 30 people $500. You go, Koush.
What are you going to do? You going to throw a football? Yeah, of course. Hey, listen, this is the last one of the season here, A.Kewch.
Why don't you go ahead and do this for the people? Need it. On this winter Wednesday, A.J.
Hawk has a message of hope for you. Hey, Kewch, you know, you guys took Jim Knowles away from the Ohio State Buckeyes.
Hopefully he can help you guys reach your dreams next year. He grew up in Philly.
He said not the suburbs of Philly either, North Philly, right in the subway downtown. So he said waking up in the morning on Sundays, it was always Penn State football.
It's great to be back. You guys are willing to pay whatever to get whoever, huh? Is that what's going on up there in Penn State? Hey, we're all in.
We are all in, and we are going. I can't wait to see who they get in the spring.
Spring transfer portal. Is that still a thing? Yes, it is.

There's another week open in April.

Yeah, we're going to get three more guys. I can't wait.
We are in. I thought he was going

to Oklahoma if he was going to leave Ohio State.

Instead, he ends up at Penn State.

You guys are just willing to do whatever, huh?

They threw the money at him and

sounds like he wasn't appreciated very much at Ohio

State. Is that all about it?

I don't know. I mean, I guess not to the tune of 3.7 million a year, I guess.
Well, I mean, money is certainly a way to showcase how much you care about somebody. And they said it was well below 3 million is what Ohio State's offer was.
You can stay with the national champs, but it's going to be 1.5. 1.5, how about it? They said he wasn't incorporating enough of Bobby Carpenter's stuff on the D.
There's a chance General Bob Carpenter wasn't happy with everything that was taking place. Won a national championship, though, with Ohio.
I hope bygones can be bygones and they can celebrate that thing together. You guys actually going to make a run at this or what? Yeah.
Yeah, we're in. We were all in.
Yeah, we were there. You screwed it up.
Should offer Saban $30 million. Who? Saban.
Offer him $30 million a year. I don't hate that.
We bring everybody. Get everybody.
Just spend the money. There's a chance Pat Graff would do that, too.
He's the type of guy that would potentially happen upon Saban and just go, what is the number, $30, $40, $50 million? Sounds like Saban wants no part of this college landscape anymore, though, right? I mean, he's certainly a massive piece of it with game day and everything he's doing behind the scenes. Sure, but I'm saying coaching.
I think he's trying to shape it so that teams can't just offer millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars to everybody to kind of change their roster. And I think he's talking directly about the Penn State and the Lions.
I mean, there were some other people doing that this year. Penn State, though, right back in the game whenever you're able to utilize what the alumni have.
I mean, if everybody is doing it, you've got to go. We'll see.
We've got to go. They're doing it better than everybody up there in Penn State.
I tried to mention it on game day. I've told you, you're the one that basically was giving me this information.
Then when I started doing my own research and chit-chat with the people, it's like, yeah, Penn State might be the most active in this entire day. Everybody's talking to Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, everything like that.
Penn State might be the most, hey, yeah, we hear what they're doing. Let's double it.
I don't think they were a year ago. I agree.
I think that was the thing. If we're doing this, we've got to buy in.
We've got to go. Your wrestling team hasn't lost in years, right? Yeah, they are unbelievable.
Okay, how is... Is it Iowa this week? Yeah, huge.
One or two. Will that be on TV? Big Ten Network? Big Ten Network, probably, yeah.
What night? I actually will watch that. Saturday, I think.
Yeah, I think it's Saturday night. It's going to be tough on a Saturday night to watch that.
But I would want to watch that. If you're going to watch a wrestling meet all year, that would be the one to watch it.
And the Iowa kid was talking shit. Yeah.
To Penn State, guys guys? There's like genuine I don't know if it's bad blood because I think both programs respect each other quite a bit, but like this is turning you know, like Iowa was just the best team in the nation for so long and then Cal Sanderson got to Penn State and like now they are the best. So there's like a genuine rivalry there.
This on Friday night? Maybe watch it. Friday night.
Maybe a Friday night. Big Ten Network tone? I just saw Friday night.
Let me look. What network? Is it in Iowa City? Is it at Carver? Not sure.
Big Ten Network check. Big Ten Network Friday night suite.
They need to move Matt Madness. And I know that that is probably a time that has been set.
They should not be trying to compete against March Madness with that. The Matt Madness, which is the national championship for wrestling, electric.
It's incredible. Happened upon it one time when there was shitty games for March Madness.
And I'm just kind of changing the channel and it's like Matt Madness, come check it out. It's like gladiators coming in there.
And it is. And Penn State dominated the whole fucking, every weight class.
Penn State won it all. which I think is a piece of the Pat Craft specialty, right? Like, we want to win everything is kind of the conversation.
Everything. I mean, like you mentioned it yesterday.
I know basketball is not there yet, but they're on their way. Women's volleyball.
They're spending a lot of money on basketball. Women's volleyball.
They're back. Like, they were awesome when I was there.
Kind of took a dip, and they won it again this year. So, everybody's going.
They're spending a lot of money on money on their sports. And I think it's because the athletic director is working.
He's working his ass off to get it up. And I'm not saying every athletic director can do that.
Obviously, Penn State has a lot more alumni they can reach out to, but he is. He's reaching out to all of them.
Every one of them. Speakeasy down there in the stadium.
It's a pretty cool idea. It is a great idea.
Genius. Yeah, you give $10 million, you get an opportunity to go to a speakeasy down here.
How about it? Get free parking. Worth it.
Worth it. $10 million.
Team's good. Bring 15 of your friends in.
Have some drinks. What is the stadium? $700 million? Yeah.
And that's not loans. I mean, it looks like a Lego set right now.
It's needed a facelift on the outside, and now they're getting it. But it's not loans.
That's not $700 million in loans. That's money that they just...
Yeah, they're just getting cash. Who are all these people? I mean, obviously, Pagoula is the biggest.
That's Buffalo Bills. That's Buffalo Sabres.
I just saw there's a Schuyler, which I think the Honors College at Penn State is named after them. C-S-C-H-U-Y-L-E-R.
They just donated like a 10-mil gift. Oh, so they get the speakeasy access.
Smart. Wow, that's good.
Get a chance to get in. Skylar knows I want to get a speakeasy.
Yeah. Good for Pat Craft.
Dog. Football guy.
Penn State, one of the top AD jobs, I assume, in the country? You would have to imagine, right? I mean, they've been good in a ton of sports. They're in every single sport.
They got a chance to win it. Yeah.
Basketball team was a bit of a letdown this season. They spent a lot of money on that team, too, I think.
Three and seven in the Big Ten. They've kind of been shite.
Because remember, the meetings were in the basketball arena. and as we were walking around shaking hands, they're like, yeah,

investing big in basketball.

There was high hopes.

I mean, I think they started off 12-2.

They did start off –

They were coming off being good, too.

Like, they were good, and then their coach went to Notre Dame,

so they kind of had to, like, you know, figure things out again.

So I would assume in a couple years, like –

Is that the light-skinned dude that went over to Notre Dame?

Yeah, Micah Shrewsbury.

He was cool.

He came and talked to us whenever we were up at Notre Dame. Yeah.
I remember he was – how's Notre Dame's basketball team? They stink, I believe. Oh, okay.
But they play in the ACC too, which is a very tough conference. Got it.
Who – is ACC still the best basketball conference? Duke's unbelievable this year. SEC is very good.
I saw Pitt beat North Carolina last night. Yeah, it was a big win for them.
Big game. Kentucky beat Tennessee as a 10.5 point favorite last night as well.
Tennessee's only lost four games all year. How is college hoops this year? It's been pretty good.
It's starting to heat up. The SEC, like Ole Miss is good.
There's some other teams that are really good. Chris Beard.
Yeah, they're going. Who would have thought Beard would have his team rolling? Alabama's good again.
Michigan State's on absolute player. How's Arkansas? Arkansas.
People aren't loving Cal that much, but Arkansas's alright. What do you mean they're not loving Cal? Where the hell is UConn? UConn's lost five.
They've fallen off a cliff. Yeah, and people are starting to kill Hurley.
Yeah, I heard because he said I'm the best coach in America. He's just going apeshit at refs like every single night.
And then he says, I'm not changing. Yeah, I blacked out.
I don't remember saying that. That's what he said after he said, I'm the best fucking coach in the sport.
Don't turn your back on me. That was in a press conference? Yeah.
Because I think he did a podcast or something afterwards. And he said, I don't think we should be trying to soften sports.
Are you going to change weight? No. No.
It's my coach. I am who I am is basically what he said.
Yeah. I love it.
It's my coach. I love everything about it.
Anybody that is not scared to be themselves is – which is why we hope that goober down there in Jacksonville has success. Amen.
If that's who he is all the time, we're pulling for him. Are you out on them too, AQs? I think I'm out.
He doesn't even have an offensive line coach. You could get a job.
I've heard some things. I don't like it.
Jeez. I know you made your opinions known earlier in the hour.
I saw a couple of Jacksonville people say, it's a tired narrative. The people in Tampa aren't even mad at him anymore.
That's interesting. I don't think so.
But hey, time heals all wounds. Just like Liam said to Rick Stratt in that interview.
Honesty is the best policy. Boom.
He said that to the local. Yeah.
What was that one he was wearing? Yeah, massive microphone. Was he doing a European? Was that a European interview? Yeah, it was a European soccer hit, I believe.
Sky Sports. Yeah, what's Jacksonville? You never know.
Yeah. Because they own also Arsenal over there.
That's the only way that he can really, at least for me, be like, this is a guy. If he shows up one of these nights and fucking chokeslam Chris Jericho, like through a table.
At AEW? Yeah. And I'll be like, okay, okay, never mind.
Maybe Liam's a guy? Yeah, maybe this guy's a guy. Urban gave a computer to Chris DiArco? He did.
Keyboard. Keyboard.
Keyboard to utilize. It didn't end up working out, but you should have gave him the computer.
Yeah, you should have. What soccer team do they own down there, Gumpsh? Good question.
I forget. Ajax? No.
They own some soccer team. Tampa's Man United, right?

No, I'm talking about Jackson. Glaser family.

Yeah, Tampa's Man United.

Is that right?

Maybe.

Fulham.

I think so.

Is it Fulham?

Fulham.

They're actually, Fulham's having a very good season, better than they were supposed to

this year.

Well, that's where Tony's been spending all his time.

He's chief football strategist.

He's spending all his time with Fulham.

He's talking that football.

Yeah.

Chief American football strategist. They need to call them the Cavs.
Right. Said just the sips.
Alright, AQ, let's win something. Here we go.
AJ, anything positive to say other than a condescending shot about them taking a defense coordinator to Penn State? I was not condescending. I was truly congratulating him, but no, AQ does look jacked.
He looks like he could do 46 reps at 225 right now. Could you do more or less 225 than Tim Tebow? Oh, man.
What did Tim Tebow do? He said he could do 30 to 35. I did 33 at the combine, so...
Could you do more now? Probably less now. Tim can do 35 right now? He said 30's the over-under.
He said maybe 40. Maybe 40.
Yeah, I think he That's his training program? I think it's max weights. He's trying to lift the most amount of weight possible.
What did he tell you, AJ? Why are we lifting if we're not trying to lift the most amount of weight? He got offended when I mentioned something about high reps. Who's doing reps? I'm lifting.
Heaviest thing I can lift. He's going to come in and do 225 tests, actually, see if he can get over 30, I believe.
Jeez. You got those little baby arms, though.
Yeah. Still got to get it.
You still got to get it off your chest. You still got to lock it out.
Yeah, but your little baby arms help. Whenever you got a big barrel chest, you got the little arms, you only got to move, what, four inches or something like that? What do you think the hardest part of a bench press is? Moving its first four inches.
Right off the chest. What do you think the hardest part of a squat is?

Getting off the ground. Bingo.

Maybe we have a bench off. You and Tim Tebow.

Yep, there it is. Let's do it.
Why don't you

prepare for that? Why don't you get like a month

of preparation for that? Done. Okay.

You set it up. I'm there.
It'll be here.

Jage might want in.

Does Jage do any 225?

He can do a bunch.

How many weights you got? Jage, he's got those long-ass arms. That is not a...
He can still do 30-plus. I like that AQ.
She's like, okay, we're acting like that's the hard part. Hey, you still move 225 a bunch? We're live.
I can. How many? Like 30? Yeah, I probably hit about 30 right now.
Alright, we're live i can how many like 30. uh yeah i probably hit about 30 right now all right we're gonna have a 225 bench contest between you aq and tim tebow okay when all right you got like a month and a half six weeks all right okay all right sweet thank you judge we appreciate you all right Of course he can.
I probably do. He's got to be to make you.
Yeah, AQ. This is.
Training. All right.
Sweet. Thank you, Judge.
We appreciate you. All right.
Of course he can. I probably do.
He's got to beat him, AQ. Yeah, AQ.
Training starts tomorrow. This is it.
Yeah. Get a photo of him on your wall.
You lose to JJ and Tim Tebow, oh, buddy, that'll be a tough day. Tough day.
Tough day. Tim Tebow has been preparing since we mentioned it to him the other day.
I bet you he's just. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Since he's been out of the league.
He's so fucking gigantic. All right.
Here we go. That's a different day, though.
Today, it's all about putting that football, the Baby Duke 2.0, which is available now at store.padmagicforshow.com, into that hoop right over there. If you're able to do it, 30 people will win $500, AQ.
Do it for the people. Do it for yourself.
Do it for Penn State. Do it for the good of the world.
Boathead! Big dreams! Overshoots it. He's all jacked up thinking about the $225.
Ty Schmidt actually has a message for you as you attempt to win 30 people $500. Yeah, you gotta make this, because otherwise JJ's probably gonna text you later, and he's gonna be like, hey, not only do you not know shit about football and blitzes and stuff like that, but you also can't throw a fucking football into a hoop, which I can do.
And now I'm going to beat your ass in the bench press competition. Jeez, that's a triple whammy.
You don't want that. AQ Shipley, 30 people, $500.
All you can do is put that Baby Duke 2.0 into that hoop right over there. AQ for the – yeah.
How'd that not go in? I don't know where that went.

To be honest, I don't know where that went.

Did that go on near side or far side?

Far side.

Far side.

That was fucked up.

That was, hey, it's fucked up.

That's fucked up.

Look at the mark on the backboard.

That's exactly where you're trying to throw the ball.

Yeah.

You know, sometimes that's the way life goes.

Sometimes you do everything right and it still ends up bad. That's why your next shot's your best shot.
That's why you can't stop getting into the batter's box. That's why you can't let one little thing drag down the next thing.
That's why if you make that, 30 people. $500.
All you gotta do is put that Baby Duke 2.0 into that hoop right over, and 30 people's lives will be better because of AQ Shipley.

There you go, Jack.

Take a little juice off.

Take a little juice off.

Come on now.

She had the perfect throw.

You let one loss lead to two.

I know.

Boss of Connor has a message for you to really bring your spirits into a place where you

win 30 people $500.

You know, JJ mentioned a few things during his time.

You know what he also mentioned?

What's that?

He doesn't have what you have. That's too boring ring.
We didn't go to the moon, but you did win a Super Bowl. That's right.
That's true. We don't know if he won a Super Bowl.
He said it. That's right.
Take us to the moon. Connor said he went down the rabbit hole.
Didn't't happen. There's no chance.
We won't get into that.

He don't believe it.

Why don't you go down a rabbit hole

yourself? I'm going down it tonight.

Right now, I'm being influenced

into making this.

30 people.

$500.

He's got no shot. In 2025.

He's got it.

A.Q. Shipley! A.Q.
Shipley! A.Q. A.Q.
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we can't thank you enough we're back tomorrow with a great

Thursday

yeah huge

yeah tomorrow's big time Thursday

it's going to be a huge Thursday tomorrow

potentially we don't know

if it's tomorrow or Friday

but there's a massive guest coming

in the next two days

how big? big

how hilarious? real how serious? There's a massive guest coming in the next two days. How big? Big.

How hilarious?

Real.

How serious?

Very much so.

Be a friend.

Tell a friend.

Something nice.

It might change your life.

We're in this thing together.

Team on me.

Hey, great work this year.

Had a baby.

Thanks for having me.

Seriously.

It's the best time of my week.

Hell yeah.

You too, D-Butch.

Even though we'll see you next week.

Be a friend.

Tell a friend.

Something nice.

It might change your life.

We're in this thing together. Team on me.
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