PMS 2.0 1287 - Chuck Pagano, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, JJ Watt, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the thunderdome.

Speaker 1 On this Coach Andy Reid Wednesday, January 29th, 2025, this program starts now.

Speaker 1 Football is wonderful and today we have a lot of great football conversations. Right around the corner, we have Chuck Bogano joining us in about 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 Yes, Chuck Bogano, the former head coach of the Indianapolis Colts, a man who had spent 36 years of his life coaching football, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Now it is official he will be back coaching with the Baltimore Ravens. Yay, Carl, be coached.
This news was broke yesterday.

Speaker 1 We obviously missed the hell out of Chuck Pagano on this particular program, but we're incredibly happy that he's back in the game, in the sport, in the league that he loves.

Speaker 1 We'll chat with him in about nine minutes or so to see how this decision came about. Was it because he hated Connor so bad? Is it because he hated this? Or is it because he missed the game?

Speaker 1 All these football guys, all of them,

Speaker 1 basically basically have a yearning to get back in the game that's why you're seeing 70 plus year olds get head coaching jobs that's why you're seeing bill belichick go back to unc it's why you're seeing chuck who is at the age of 64 going to be a senior secondary coach because they just love it they can't live without it i think we were able to scratch the itch for chuck there for a bit when he would travel out here experience a little bit of team but now he's getting back into a building back into a program, back into a franchise that he knows very well and respects very well.

Speaker 1 And I cannot wait to see how he does over there. So, you know, if you count Kyle Van Noy, which Kyle would like us to do as such, and then you obviously do the math with Lombo and

Speaker 1 Bill and now Chuck, it does feel as if a lot of the people that we talk to on a regular basis are getting jobs back in the sport that they love of football.

Speaker 1 And we would like to say we're incredibly proud of them.

Speaker 1 Congrats to all the boys getting back out there. The talks and tables here at Boston Conner and at Tyschman.
Con man, do you think this is your fault potentially?

Speaker 1 Yeah, a little bit, but also, you know, that old man, he doesn't want to be home.

Speaker 1 You know, we've heard what he does at home, and sure, there are fleeting moments of very, very fun, syrup-filled adventures. But I feel like in this sense, Charles just loves the game.

Speaker 1 I mean, Pagano, I believe, his brother used to coach there or is still there. One of them's in Washington.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure if he's still in Baltimore or not, but it does feel as though it is one of those situations where Chuck just loves coaching ball. I mean, he would get going.

Speaker 1 here when he would start talking about the games and it feels like now that he's back with Baltimore who he mentioned you know, recently, hey, this team can win it all, the secondary, all of it.

Speaker 1 It's just a perfect situation for Chuck. It is exciting to add coach Chuck Pagano to our defensive staff and continue to develop and grow our young, talented secondary.

Speaker 1 Chuck brings a wealth of knowledge, experience, and coaching talent to our team. He has deep ties to the program and is excited to get to work.

Speaker 1 Let's go to nine-year NFL vet and a man who played every position in the secondary, corner, safety, and nickel, host of everything DB, Good D, Bad D, Darius J. Butler.

Speaker 1 D. Butch, you obviously played for a team that Chuck McGonnow was the head coach, and obviously he and you had great moments together in the film room, on the field, in practice.
You get it.

Speaker 1 What are the Baltimore Ravens getting out of this old-ass man who's now a senior secondary coach?

Speaker 2 He was a guy, a guy who loves ball, and he never, you know, he's one of those guys who never leaves the game.

Speaker 2 Even when he was here, he was still, you know, looking over the injury report and the weather and the refs and all the different intricate details that guys would do or wouldn't do when they were on TV.

Speaker 2 He still had that coaching itch. I'm glad he got back in there and being a senior DB coach.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure exactly what that title will be, but I'm glad he's back in there, back in the building, doing what he loves doing.

Speaker 1 He's 64 years old. The secondary coach is 60 years old.
Jeez Louise. So I don't know if that's a junior.
Four years is enough to be a junior and a senior.

Speaker 1 Will he be calling the other guy, hey, junior?

Speaker 1 Will he be called senior around the building?

Speaker 1 We don't know what all his job title will be, but we will chat with him in about six, seven minutes, which leads us to 12-year NFL veteran, Super Bowl champion, player, coach.

Speaker 1 Is he going to get back into the coaching ranks? Whoa. A.Q.
Shipley is here. That'd be a huge.

Speaker 1 You know, there's some coaching staffs that still need to be filled. Are you thinking about getting the whistle in

Speaker 1 the visor back out and maybe going to coach a little ball again, Akush? I am not.

Speaker 1 That itch is not scratching anywhere on my body at all. You don't have to.
That itch is what you're saying. Yeah, that's exactly right.
I have no ambition whatsoever to get back into it right now.

Speaker 1 All the words are in there, but the message is clear. Yeah, you do not have the itch to get back into coaching.

Speaker 1 You're okay with not having to fix printers and fax machines at about 5 a.m. in the morning and all that.
Not one bit. Chuck's going into a senior role, senior secondary role.

Speaker 1 I think obviously his respect for John Harbaugh is a big deal. John Harbaugh's respect for him is a big deal.

Speaker 1 But I think all the things that D-Bud talked about where the amount of notes he was taking, he was still acting as if he was a coach. Just like Bill Belichick has been acting like he's still a coach.

Speaker 1 Just like Lombardi for the last year has been acting like he's a general manager. These guys can't get away.
They can't, and they focus on the things other than just the tape.

Speaker 1 I think DB and I love to watch the tape, but I'm not checking the weather. I'm not checking the stats.
I'm not checking the injury report. I'm not doing that.
I'm just watching the tape.

Speaker 1 I like to watch the tape. I like to break down ball.
I like to break down everything and all the different schemes and stuff like that. But he's doing that.

Speaker 1 And he was literally focusing like he's the head coach or like he's running a room. That's real.

Speaker 1 He really has been like he joined that 33rd team because they get a call every single Wednesday with the lead officials to know what the point of emphasis is going to be for this.

Speaker 1 Like all these guys, you know, and they try to be cool whenever they want. I'm going to go and join my family.

Speaker 1 I'm going to enjoy my family. I'm going to be grandpa, you know, that my grandkids always wanted.
And it's like, no, you're not. No, you're not.
You're an old dog. You're a senior dog.

Speaker 1 You literally have no chance to

Speaker 1 learn new tricks.

Speaker 1 I think there's like a week, maybe. I think there's like a two-week period where they're like kind of hands off.

Speaker 1 And that's the same amount of time basically in the summer that they they get off they're able to turn off but once that gets into like three weeks four weeks a month they just go right back into their old routines and they can't help themselves you know we've been telling Chuck and I've been talking to Chuck Offhair a lot about when are you getting back into this when are you getting back into this thing and he he was looking at some of the head coaching candidates or coordinator positions and he's like maybe I

Speaker 1 maybe I should maybe now is the time I'll be

Speaker 1 incredibly like

Speaker 1 fascinated by when he thought was going to be the time. Like last year did he think was the time, but he wanted to delay it, you know? And how's Miss Tina feel about him getting back in it?

Speaker 1 He's going to say that she loves it because he's out of her hair yet again in this entire thing. But I am pumped to kind of get the mindset behind Chuck getting back into the gig.

Speaker 1 I was going to say you nailed it on the head. Listen, it sounds great.
You want to spend a lot of time with your family. You want to be at home a lot.
Speaking from experience, I love my wife.

Speaker 1 I love her. Love.

Speaker 1 A week in. I need a break.
She needs a break. Like we need to be apart at some point.
You guys have not been married long enough, I think. think 10 years

Speaker 1 10 years almost wow

Speaker 1 wow

Speaker 1 but i would like to say congratulations to both of you for that but it is uh that's a very normal thing like i think military relationships are similar yeah you know any job that involves like people being away and then coming back and then whenever it's all of a sudden you're back in there the family like harmony is just the house harmony is just complete so what so now you're just here right that's okay we've had this thing figured out for 20 30 years now you're gonna drop in you got all the answers i don't think so and i think that plays into a part of it as well.

Speaker 1 I think it's just, I think it's good for Chuck's soul that he's got back out there. Now, before we get, Chuck, let's talk about another coach.
Older coach has made a decision.

Speaker 1 Mike McCarthy, Jenser, former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and obviously the Green Bay Packers. He has pulled his name out of contention for the New Orleans Saints gig.
So has Cliff Kingsbury.

Speaker 1 But the reason why Cliff Kingsbury is a little bit different than Mike McCarthy, Cliff Kingsbury is still getting a head coaching contract. He's still getting paid from a guaranteed salary.

Speaker 1 Everybody was trying to compare Cliff to like Ben Johnson, all these other people.

Speaker 1 He's still getting paid from Arizona. Cliff is still getting a big old paycheck.
So he's going to stay with Washington. Mike McCarthy now has a year off.
What's big Mike going to do next year?

Speaker 1 Maybe he,

Speaker 1 maybe he joins the program. I don't know how he feels about us.
I don't think I've ever got a chance to chat with him. He is a Yenser.
So he,

Speaker 1 you know, was raised on the same waters that we were around here. But Big Mike McCarthy point, why do you think this is, Todd? Do you think he wants to take a year break?

Speaker 1 Do you think he looked at the situation in New Orleans and said, this is not a desirable thing for me to potentially get into?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think so. I mean, we had Chefty on a couple days ago, and usually he wouldn't say something like that, but he was like, let's be frank, like.

Speaker 3 This isn't the greatest situation. Or maybe it wasn't Chefty.
Someone said that very recently to us that, like, you look at their, maybe it was Dan Orlovsky said it actually yesterday.

Speaker 3 He said, you look at their cap situation. They kicked the can down the road, down the road, down the road.
And like, now it's here.

Speaker 3 So if he, Mike McCarthy will have opportunities next year again, they don't know what's going on with Derek Carr they're kind of in that position where they got a like a full rebuild is kind of coming there soon so I don't know if you would want to go from the cowboys job where it's like you have all this scrutiny if he's gonna be one of those top-line guys next year which we assume he will be being a former super bowl champion and kind of getting dak to play the best football of his career like It actually worked out pretty well for him last time.

Speaker 3 He took a year off. He did the McCarthy project.
He duped Tom Pellisero. He was in his basement or in his barn doing all that stuff.
why not?

Speaker 3 Because we have no idea what jobs are going to become available next year. Like, what if the Dolphins job becomes available or something like that?

Speaker 3 You know, I mean, you just, you have no idea what situations might be a lot more desirable than New Orleans.

Speaker 1 So why not take a year off? One half of the hammer,

Speaker 1 Cowboys, Bubba Gampino, nodding his head yes back there. What's that all about?

Speaker 4 I mean, it's a make or break year for McDaniel. We all know that.
You know, you got to win a playoff game. You promised us you were going to win one this year on the show.

Speaker 4 Came on here, told me you were going to do it.

Speaker 1 Didn't do it.

Speaker 1 We got to win one 25 years. Okay, we got to win playoff games.
Okay, so Ty, you say maybe the Dolphins open up. Gumpy's back there saying, Yep, it is going to be up.

Speaker 1 But there's numerous jobs every single year: seven to ten, right? Six to ten every single year.

Speaker 1 Mike McCarthy, we assume, will get an opportunity in the next coaching cycle, which is what he's assuming as well. Good luck to him.
I hope he enjoys his life.

Speaker 1 And we will certainly be reaching out to see if he would like to join us one day a week. We have some openings, you know, because some people

Speaker 1 have gotten back into the game that they love.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who I was incredibly lucky to have as a head coach at the Indianapolis Colts, a man that we have all become very close friends with, and a man now who is the senior secondary coach for the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Chuck Pagano.

Speaker 1 Coach, how you doing? What's up, boys? Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 Look, this guy's glowing. Wow.
This is just like whenever we had Bill on that first week after he signed back with UNC, you could tell that his life was full again.

Speaker 1 It was like he was the happiest he had been. Chuck, congratulations on the Ravens gig.
My first question would be, when did you start to kind of consider to get back into coaching?

Speaker 1 You know, we've chatted ad nauseum about, and we started the show with, you know, you football guys, this is kind of what your life is. It is ball.

Speaker 1 You've been acting as if you're a head guy basically this entire time. You've been retired.
You show up here. You have three notebooks full of notes.

Speaker 1 You're in calls early in the morning with the 33rd team. You've been acting as if you're still in the league while you've been out of it.

Speaker 1 But when did you decide, you know what, maybe I should be getting back into this thing?

Speaker 5 Probably the day I retired.

Speaker 5 They walked away in 2020, to be honest. I've always thought about it, Pat, and, you know, being around you guys and doing the gig with you and the 33rd team and then hanging around,

Speaker 5 you know, Boise State and the coaches here, you know, Pat,

Speaker 5 it's always been in the back of my mind. It just had to be

Speaker 5 the perfect situation. And

Speaker 5 obviously

Speaker 5 I'm very, very familiar with that organization. That had a ton to do with it.
The role is absolutely perfect. You know, I really not dying to be a head coach again and have all that responsibility.

Speaker 5 a coordinator, all the pressure that comes with that, just an opportunity in this role to go help, help John and this organization and that defensive staff, Zach Gore, they've got a great staff over there.

Speaker 5 So the role was important.

Speaker 5 Obviously people, people matter.

Speaker 5 I know the people in that organization from the top down. It's the gold standard, Steve Bashoti, Ozzie, who's the, you know, was the GM, Eric DaCosta, who's now the GM, John Harbaugh, the staff.

Speaker 5 Everybody in that building, I know all those people.

Speaker 5 Not much has changed. So it it always comes down to people, right, Pat?

Speaker 5 Just like the people you have there.

Speaker 5 And then the last thing, you know, what will pull you off the couch is the opportunity to win and win it all. They've built a phenomenal roster, as we know, right? We've been watching them.

Speaker 1 They are a wagon from top to bottom.

Speaker 5 Eric and John and that personnel staff, that coaching staff, they've built one hell of a roster. They've got a bunch of dudes on both sides of the ball and special teams.

Speaker 5 So those things, all those things we just chatted about, yeah,

Speaker 5 I've never really stopped. I think you could, you probably knew that.
The boys probably knew that.

Speaker 5 You could feel that, but this opportunity was just too good to pass up.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're incredibly happy for you. And you're right.
You did never stop. And it is funny to hear you like the day I stepped away was the day I was like, I regret this.
I regret this.

Speaker 1 How am I going to survive? You have done a fantastic job with us. You've done a fantastic job with your family.

Speaker 1 And I wonder, you know, because you just talked about nobody, you know, the same names basically being there in Baltimore, watching Hard Knocks in season. Was that something too there?

Speaker 1 Because they were back in that Baltimore building, back in the Ravens practice facility. Is that the reason that you maybe did you reach out to John?

Speaker 1 Or how did kind of the conversations begin with you and Hardball?

Speaker 5 We have always stayed in touch, Pat,

Speaker 5 you know, via text message, a call here and there, holidays, family, you know, very close close with John. And it's funny,

Speaker 5 I texted him last week and I was texting for a friend, a fellow coach that was out and looking, you know, for an opportunity.

Speaker 5 You know, so I reached out, text John, and says, hey, I've got a name for you,

Speaker 5 potential, you know, spot on your defensive staff that you have open.

Speaker 5 And I was traveling back. It was last Thursday, right after the show, Pat.
So I was at the airport and I was getting ready to get on a plane. So he says, Hey, I'll call you back in a sec.

Speaker 5 I said, Hey, I'm getting on a plane. Can we talk tomorrow? So talk on Friday,

Speaker 5 talk about this potential candidate, whatever. And then the question comes up: Hey, how are you doing? You good? You itching a little bit?

Speaker 5 You feeling like you know, maybe there's you know, want to get back in in some capacity? And so, a conversation started,

Speaker 5 led to a Zoom call yesterday, talked to a lot of ball for a long time,

Speaker 5 talked about a lot of things, and

Speaker 5 it just

Speaker 5 came out of nowhere, really, you know, and

Speaker 5 very, very grateful that John would give me this opportunity to go back to a place where, like, when I went to Baltimore in 08 with him his first year, that organization, that franchise, the success that we had, you know, as a DB coach and then a defensive coordinator my final season, Pat, it changed the whole trajectory of my career.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 it changed everything.

Speaker 5 You know, we lose a heartbreaker in that AFC championship game, and the next thing you know, you're sitting at a desk and you're, you know, get an opportunity to be the head coach of the Cold.

Speaker 5 So I owe that organization a ton.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk about your role that you came in to be. AQUESH has a question for you, Coach.
Coach, congrats. We're all pumped for you.
But a quick question, right?

Speaker 1 So whenever this whole thing came about, just want to know what senior assistant second, are you guys going to be working, are you specifically with the safeties and he's with the coroners?

Speaker 1 Or are you guys going to be working as a team or vice versa?

Speaker 5 Yeah, great question.

Speaker 5 You know, because you want to go in on these things with a ton of clarity and take out as much gray and cushion as possible, right? On, okay, what that role looks like.

Speaker 5 They have, you know, secondary coaches right now.

Speaker 5 Chris Hewitt is the, you know, pass game coordinator, secondary coach, Doug Mallory, coaches in the secondary, both long time, long time veteran coaches, no

Speaker 5 shit ton of ball, obviously, know the back end. I get an opportunity to go in,

Speaker 5 fill a role in the back end where, like, okay,

Speaker 5 like,

Speaker 5 how can I mentor? How can I help? What can I add to this? Go through the things, very familiar with the scheme, obviously. That scheme.

Speaker 5 AQ has not changed for the last, I mean, 100 years, it seems like. You know, that thing has been intact.

Speaker 5 There's been coordinator coordinator after coordinator after coordinator, but the nuts and bolts of that scheme have not changed. So it's an opportunity for me to go in and, hey, what do you need?

Speaker 5 What do you need me to do?

Speaker 5 You know,

Speaker 5 how can I help you guys develop these players? They've got phenomenal players back there. We know that.
The Kyle Hamiltons of the world, Marlon Humphrey, Brandon Stevens, Ardarius, phenomenal job.

Speaker 5 They've got a bunch of dogs. Nate Wiggins is a rookie out of Clemson after his first year.
Very promising. So a ton of great players and an opportunity just to contribute and help build.

Speaker 1 How's Miss Tina feel about this? Getting you back out of the house, back into a facility. She's loving it, I assume.

Speaker 5 Yeah, she's fired up. And now, you know, yesterday, but now you wake up 2.30 in the morning again.

Speaker 5 And the wheels are spinning. And now, God, I got all this stuff to do, all this response, but whatever.
like we got to get things in order.

Speaker 5 She's jacked up. Four of the best years, again, that we had as a family,

Speaker 5 you know, was in Baltimore, that 08 to 011, 2011 stretch, Pat. So she's fired up.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's just a phenomenal place. There's a lot of familiar faces for her as well from a, you know, coaching staff perspective, wives, those kind of things.
So she's excited.

Speaker 5 This thing's in order here.

Speaker 5 We got everything in order so it's like I'm gonna move out of here Pat and get myself a little flat you know hopefully close to little Italy used to hang out there a lot in Baltimore okay I mean they they've got some freaking amazing spots down there right

Speaker 5 and get me a little spot she'll come back and forth but

Speaker 5 You know, she's not going to be lonely. My kids will, I'm sure they're going to be moving in here pretty quick as soon as I am out the door.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I appreciate that. Obviously, out there in boys, you got a beautiful place, beautiful view, beautiful life.

Speaker 1 Heading back to Baltimore, a place you know well, maybe you'll be near Little Italy. Maybe you'll be near Jimmy's famous seafood who said you'll never have to pay for another crab cake.

Speaker 1 Take them up on that offer, for sure.

Speaker 5 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yes, every night, maybe, especially if Mestina's not there. We'll take crab cake every single night from Jimmy's.
Make sure that's delivered.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know what they say, you know, if it's free, give me three.

Speaker 1 All right, let's pivot away from the Ravens in Baltimore. Debut has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Hey, congrats again, coaching.

Speaker 2 I know this is the game that you're trying to get to now, but I'm going to ask you about the Super Bowl because I know you've been grinding tape and watching these games.

Speaker 2 Which one of these defenses do you think has the edge going into this big game with the Eagles and the Chiefs?

Speaker 5 Man, that's a great defense.

Speaker 5 I think we got, obviously, you know, everybody's been talking about Spags and the Hall of Fame career that he's had and what he's done, you know, in Kansas City for a long, long time and over a great career.

Speaker 5 Vic Fangio bringing, shoot, you look at Philly, right?

Speaker 5 The numbers from a year ago till now, I mean, almost dead last in categories to leading the league and scoring defense, or second in scoring defense,

Speaker 5 you know, number one in yards allowed. I mean, the development of Cooper DeGene, Quinyon Mitchell, the job that Howie has done bringing the playmakers in there.

Speaker 5 So I think this is going to be a phenomenal game. I don't think, you know, the last time we saw these two play debuts in the Super Bowl, you know, we had a high score in a fair.

Speaker 5 I think 38, 35, you know, was the final and KC got the edge there.

Speaker 5 We've got a lot of offensive and great talent on that side, but

Speaker 5 I think these two defenses, I think, you know, we've talked long and hard. AQ has talked long and hard about this offensive line for Kansas City,

Speaker 5 the woes that they have. I think they've got that pretty much solidified, you know, with Thuni there at left tackle.
But these animals, these freaks

Speaker 5 that Philly has up front, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, you know, sweat off one end, Nolan Smith off the other,

Speaker 5 you know, Zach Bond, I mean, they're just, they're incredible. They're playing at a high level.
So be very, very interested to see, we always talk about the trenches, right?

Speaker 5 Can Kansas City block that front? Is Vic, because Vic's normally four-man rush with pressure, right?

Speaker 5 Deploy seven into coverage, you know, and make you earn everything down the field great in the red area. Can they block this front?

Speaker 5 and then vice versa you know jalen hurts you know spaghs he's going to come in and say hey look 26 ain't beating our ass andy reed's going to tell that team 26 ain't getting us so we're going to we're going to allocate as much resources necessary to to stop him and it's going to have to come down to to jalen hurts's arm jalen hurts's legs and A.J.

Speaker 5 Brown and Devontae Smith Goddard down the middle of the field. I look for a great matchup

Speaker 5 in base defense with McDuffie following A.J. Brown around.
And then obviously on third down, nickel situation, he goes into the slot. So there's going to be some great matchups to watch.

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts said they took the straitjacket off and let him spin it a little bit. The NFC Championship.
He was, hey, yeah, he had it tied up. He was like Houdini.
He got out of that thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know Houdini always got out. Didn't he? Every time.
Every time. Harry had a dollar.
Not every time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you call it?

Speaker 5 What do you call that thing he was wearing, Pat? Walking into the stadium?

Speaker 1 Talk about the Kangol. He had the Kangol on.

Speaker 5 Man, that thing,

Speaker 5 I wonder if I could get away with one of those.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. That is what you should be wearing every single week, actually, is the Ravens.
Imagine him walking in. Stoked.
Kangol.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Jumpsuit, maybe? Just a sweatsuit like Adidas with three stripes on it.
Oh,

Speaker 1 the Italian-ness would be oozing from Toach Bogano.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Kango on top there.

Speaker 5 See, I don't know. I don't know if I can let me stick to that

Speaker 5 Commendatori, that Leone, Commendatori, that Italian suit. I'll have to break that out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all of them. I didn't know there was a little Italy in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. Blue Collar Town would have Italians in Italy.

Speaker 5 Every big city, Pat, has a... you know, a little Italy, believe it or not.
And this one, I believe it.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. I believe the Italians would certainly work their way into it.
Especially if there's water nearby. Yeah, need to water.
That's the only place you see these damn Italians.

Speaker 1 That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Well, that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
Speaking of Italians, a man that's going to miss you, Connor has a question for you. Yeah,

Speaker 1 congratulations again. Both of our lives got so much better because I don't have to see you anymore.
But

Speaker 1 what did you think about the Josh Allen tush push and kind of the whole refs conversation on the marking of the football throughout the game? Because both refs at multiple times were coming in.

Speaker 1 A few times they weren't really lining up on the same exact spot. How'd you feel about that? And what do you think about kind of just the dialogue around the referees in general with Kansas City?

Speaker 1 Because it's getting loud about the entire thing.

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 5 they certainly didn't help themselves to quiet the narrative, Con Man.

Speaker 5 And I'm going to miss the hell out of you.

Speaker 7 You know that. You know, I love you.

Speaker 1 Cheers, Coach.

Speaker 5 I loved our banter and back and forth. I'm going to miss the hell out of you.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 5 the tushput, number one, you know, you got a 250-pound quarterback. I don't see how you cannot execute this play.
Just look at the tape from Philly, right, and mimic.

Speaker 5 But obviously, you know, KC was on their P's and Q's. You look at all those, you know, those sneaks by Josh.
He loved going over the left side, right? The offensive left to the defensive right.

Speaker 5 They obviously were dialed into that. As far as this call goes, you know,

Speaker 5 the mechanics were jacked up.

Speaker 5 Con man, the mechanics were jacked up. You see these two lines, like the headlinesman is up top, and then the down judge is down at the bottom, right? So they're walking in.

Speaker 5 The guy up top has the view of the football. He can see the football.
The guy at the bottom coming in, look at that right there. If you pause, the ball is, he's screened from the ball.

Speaker 5 He's got the back numbers of Josh Allen there. He can't see it.

Speaker 5 The guy on the top of the screen, he's got a clear view of that. And so what's got to happen mechanics-wise.

Speaker 1 Chris Jones is standing right there i don't know if that guy up top has a view of it either short

Speaker 5 he over pat override it walk in there and you see old boy down at the bottom i've got the clear view of the ball so you say no no no sir so he goes like this you know how they go like this

Speaker 5 can you see me yeah move move that move the chains he's got to override that and all of a sudden he bows down to the guy at the bottom for some reason. So a total breakdown in mechanics.

Speaker 5 That should have been a first down, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, I appreciate the fact that that is how you see it.
I think a lot of people saw it the same way.

Speaker 1 I think also it's very, as you know, as somebody who has spent a lot of time with the officials and replay and everything like that, you would actually be correcting us on that.

Speaker 1 That was never going to get overturned. Whatever was called on the field was going to remain the call in that particular situation.

Speaker 1 Kincaid potentially picked up the first down the play before that, and it's the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 So, you know, obviously the refs are going to be working in the the Chiefs' favor, even though there's some calls probably that Chiefs fans say, well, well, what about this? What about this?

Speaker 1 What about this? Whatever the case, whenever you win all the time, people are going to assume that you're getting assistance because everybody's trying to win.

Speaker 1 Just like the Baltimore Ravens are going to be trying to get to the top of Lombardy Mountain. Ty has one last question for you here.

Speaker 3 Yeah, coach, I'll reiterate what everyone else has said. Congratulations.
Gonna miss having you around here.

Speaker 3 From the last time you coached, obviously you beat cancer. You know, you get to be around your family more.
You see your grandkids grow up a little bit.

Speaker 3 Do you think your temperament slash, you know, kind of like your outlook on life or philosophy in general, has that changed? Or like, are you still going to get after people's asses out there?

Speaker 3 Or do you think your coaching style and the way you're going to go about things is going to change considering everything that's happened to you since the last time you coached in the league?

Speaker 5 Hey, Ty, anytime you go through, you know, circumstances and adversity and life-changing, you know, moments.

Speaker 5 The minute, I never really have taken it, you know, any day for granted, any opportunity that

Speaker 5 I've had, Ty, but walking out of that hospital, the doc coming in and say, you're in remission, you can go home, you're going to have to spend a couple more months, whatever.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 it just gave me greater appreciation and greater perspective. And Pat will tell you this, you know, and D.Buts will tell you, AQ,

Speaker 5 if I didn't say it once, I said it twice, right? We're playing and coaching a kid's game, okay? It's a privilege and not your right to play and coach in the national football league.

Speaker 5 And every day we get, not one of these days is guaranteed. Nothing is promised.
And that's why we wake up today, we got another Wednesday. Hey, let's kick the living shit out of this Wednesday.

Speaker 5 And then when we get another day, when Thursday comes, if we get it, we're lucky enough, let's have great enthusiasm for that day. Let's kick the hell out of that Thursday.

Speaker 5 Yeah, am I going to get after it? You got to coach these guys, right? We're going to hold guys accountable,

Speaker 5 do it the right way, build relationships,

Speaker 5 build them up, point out the thing. Hey, what'd you see on this, Kyle? Hey, Marlon, what'd you see on the butts? We used to ask butts all the time, buts.
What'd you see? Why did we do what we did?

Speaker 5 What was it coming? And then when it, when it time for, you know, as long as you build those relationships, ties and there's mutual respect and trust and love there, then

Speaker 5 you can pull a guy in an office behind closed doors and have a healthy conversation that could be uncomfortable, but

Speaker 5 full of forthright and honesty and all those kind of things. So I can't wait, Ty and you guys,

Speaker 5 to get over there. I'm headed there on Monday, and this is...

Speaker 5 Like I've had some other things come by, you know, and you just, they don't feel the same, right?

Speaker 5 You just know in your gut, like, no, I don't, I don't think this is, this is the right, but this one, I mean, just, just check, check all, check all the boxes, right?

Speaker 5 Very, very grateful for this opportunity.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, good luck.
Enjoy it. And let the boys over there know we like them.
Yeah. You know, we like them.
Keith Van Noy, obviously, been on the program numerous times.

Speaker 1 Nobody really else from the Ravens. If you could help us build that relationship over there, we would appreciate it.
We would appreciate it.

Speaker 5 Done, done.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. Done deal.

Speaker 1 If your secondary sucks,

Speaker 1 you're going to hear it. Hashtag journalistic standards.
We got to do it. We got to do it.
Coming in.

Speaker 1 That's right. We got to do it.
We got to do it.

Speaker 5 Hey, accountability and honesty, right? You guys got to do your journalism, so call it like you see it.

Speaker 5 Hey, we all know what bad ball looks like.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Don't look right, don't taste right, don't smell right. It sticks out like you know what.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 So when we got bad ball going on, I expect you guys to be honest and forthright and say, hey, tighten that shit up, coach.

Speaker 1 yeah exactly all right we will say that and until then we'll say congrats we're so happy for you ladies and gentlemen the new

Speaker 5 last thing you know how much i love you pat you know how much i love the boys this has been you know a life game changer for me being on this all of branch that you've i know you don't like this thing but

Speaker 5 when i said like on that reel you sent You got me dying laughing. You got me in tears.
It was just incredible.

Speaker 5 You know, but it was my why, you know, my family and

Speaker 5 all kinds of things, right? Great perspective and appreciation for what we have, but I am so grateful. And please, please have me on, you know, every now and then.
Nope. No.

Speaker 5 You know, you want me to put on the waffle. You want me to do whatever.

Speaker 5 Please, I still get a chance to come on from time to time.

Speaker 5 I would greatly appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Never again. Never again.

Speaker 5 You have no idea what you've done for me, Pat and your boys.

Speaker 5 I'll do anything for you guys. You know that.

Speaker 1 We love you, Coach. We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 We've been very thankful that you chose to hang out with us for so long. You're the band.
You're going to do great. We love you, man.
Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Mugano.

Speaker 1 Love you, Coach. Happy for him, man.
Yeah, it's awesome. Oh, yeah.
I'm very happy for him. It's cool.
Miss Tina staying in Boise, going over to Baltimore. Let's clean this place up a little chuck.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 1 Then going back there. John Harbaugh works out every single day.
So does Chuck on a Peloton. Excited to see what they do.

Speaker 2 Wish they would have done hard knocks with Chuck in that building so you could see him every day whatever he said who can i help how can i help is basically his job how how does that normally work in the secondary room debuts uh a lot of times it's two coaches it'll be like a safeties coach corners coach maybe i know over the last probably 10 years or so some teams even have like a nichols coach so um i'm sure they'll probably separate it so like different drills different teams different things but uh it's usually split like like that let's stay in the family coach tom mcmahon will remain the special teams coordinator for the las Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 1 Pete Carroll keeps Tom McMahon, whose son is obviously Mitt, who works here at the Thunderdome. Tom McMahon was my special teams coordinator at the Indianapolis Colts.
I have a lot of love for him.

Speaker 1 He is massively successful with what he does. He's about this tall.
Sure. Literally.
Small guy. A little sought-off.
Piece of energy. That guy loves special teams, though.
Loves ball.

Speaker 1 They got a lot of great players over there, so I'm happy he will continue his career with the Raiders. And Matt Eberflues, officially defense coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Iberflues getting the gig. He was with the Dallas Cowboys.
He was supposed to come up to the Indianapolis Colts with Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels turns the plane around.

Speaker 1 Iberflues stays with the Indianapolis Colts as the DC. Didn't even have a head coach yet.
Frank Reich becomes the head coach, keeps Iberflues as DC for the Colts.

Speaker 1 Iberflues does such a great job with that defense. Whenever they were, you know,

Speaker 1 good.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 the players were great, fun to have in the city, you know, accountable, those types of things. Then he goes up to Chicago, becomes the head coach up there.
That goes how it goes.

Speaker 1 He goes back to Dallas now. I'm very pumped for him to get that gig.
What's this mean for Zim? I mean, Zim is available out there? Yeah, because he was on it. I forget who said it.

Speaker 1 I think it was Schefter as well. He was also on a one-year deal last year because of the McCarthy deal.
Okay, so maybe Liam Cohen down there in

Speaker 1 down there in uh,

Speaker 1 down there in, uh,

Speaker 1 Duval

Speaker 1 has the opportunity to bring in Zim as the DC. The more you watch that, the more you realize his face knew he was fucking up.
Both eyebrows were like, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 You know, the one eyebrow, and then later, the second eyebrow comes and goes, what are you, what are you doing? What county is Jacksonville Jaguars in?

Speaker 1 Duval.

Speaker 1 Goober Tuesday has fed into Andy Reid Wednesday. We'll have Andy Reid in the next hour.
Liam Cohen might be the next Andy Reid. You're right, too.

Speaker 3 Like, if we know anything about Zim, I'm sure they would get along great. That seems like a match made in heaven.

Speaker 1 What are you saying?

Speaker 3 I'm saying Zim might beat the shit out of that guy in the first AOTAs. I don't know.

Speaker 1 There's a chance. We don't know that.

Speaker 3 You might spit some beachnut right in his eye and say, I'm not listening to you.

Speaker 1 Love to spit some beachnut in that. That dude's eyes.
And the Zim boy can survive.

Speaker 1 The Zim boy can survive.

Speaker 1 There is a chance. Liam Cohen, though, gets along with people.
Here's him dapping up the Jacksonville Jaguars as they were coming into the facility after he was named head coach.

Speaker 1 First, Trevor Lawrence looks like he's recovering from surgery. Hope he's okay.
Looks like he's going to be all right. Liam Cohen says, What's up, Trev? It's my wife, Ashley, here.

Speaker 1 Keep her off camera. We don't like the glitz and glamour.
Thanks. Thanks, social media team.
Then he daps up the rest of the boys there.

Speaker 1 Good, clean daps, I will say, with everybody, which kind of goes into, you know, he didn't say much to Gabe Davis, kind of skipped right over him. And Gabe Davis is going to be a weapon for the Jags.

Speaker 1 I would assume Liam Cohen knows that. But remember, Baker likes him.
Offensive linemen like him. Mike Evans likes him.

Speaker 1 Seems like the guys he coaches like him, which is what we have to remember when we want to judge him immediately.

Speaker 1 AQ, you are not here for Goober Tuesday when we were talking about him being the head coach in Jacksonville. What are your thoughts on Liam Cohen? Seems like a big goofball.

Speaker 1 It sounds like the players like him, but

Speaker 1 it sounds like he's rubbing a lot of coaches and front office people the wrong way. So not sure how that's going to bog out.
What do you mean by that, Pat? What?

Speaker 1 Well, I I mean, it sounds like the front office clearly is irate. In Tampa, that's one place.
The front office in Jacksonville loves them.

Speaker 1 The biggest thing, right, in the NFL is communication, right? You have to be able to communicate.

Speaker 1 And so as a head coach, there's going to be a lot of tough conversations, right?

Speaker 1 A lot of tough conversations, whether you cut a guy, whether it's making a decision to promote or elevate or demote somebody, right?

Speaker 1 But you have to be able to do that. You have to answer the call.
You have to make the call. You have to look the person in the eye.
You have to have these things.

Speaker 1 It doesn't sound like there's a lot of that right now so

Speaker 1 i hope it goes great for him i didn't hear what are you talking about

Speaker 1 what do you mean what do you is this from your source sis no this is from uh yeah kind of but it's also kind of what we what we read right like the fact that he didn't answer a single phone call the whole next day to anybody from tampa god was getting interviewed down in jacksonville

Speaker 1 if you just have a simple conversation about listen Hey, I got an opportunity to be a head coach and make $14 million a year. You don't think anybody in that building is going to understand?

Speaker 1 That's a life-changing opportunity. Sure, man.
Just have the conversation. Okay, just have the convo is always saying, Cohen, man.
Yeah, he did his entire thing about honesty.

Speaker 1 I assumed that he had the convo, just maybe not with the right people. And then the people who didn't have the convo with Liam in Tampa might have said, like, hey, what the hell, man? Call me too.

Speaker 1 Ty, have you changed your thoughts on what Liam Cohen's going to be?

Speaker 1 Because we, as a collective unit, said we are going to reserve judgment because we have no idea what coach is going to be good, what coach is going to be bad.

Speaker 1 There's coaches we thought were going to be absolute ass, turn out to be pretty damn good. There's coaches we thought were going to be great.
Turn out to be absolute ass.

Speaker 1 You yesterday made a decision on Liam Cohen. Do you want to take that back now?

Speaker 3 I don't think I'm ready to do that quite yet.

Speaker 3 We'll see. You know,

Speaker 3 I could be dead wrong. And if that day comes, say, I'll hand up because he is.
He's a great offensive play caller and he's a great offensive mind.

Speaker 3 But again, you know, he's not just talking to the offense. He's got the defense now.
And again, we mentioned it.

Speaker 3 Who is going to fill out this staff? We're very late in the game here. It seems like all of these guys who like have a bunch of experience and are great coaches.

Speaker 3 Not that there aren't great coaches everywhere in the NFL, but like who else is going to be on this guy's staff?

Speaker 3 He's a first-time head coach still, and he's only got five years of NFL coaching experience. And who's going to be the GM? Like, there's more to, there's more than just calling plays.

Speaker 3 Like, there's a lot that goes into being a head coach from everyone we've talked to. It's like, hey, you don't realize how much shit's on your plate until you get that job.

Speaker 3 And then it's like, whoa, I have to do more than just X's and O's here. Like, I'm running an entire franchise.

Speaker 1 We think Liam will be able to figure it out. We hope he will be able to.
So does Sean Cotton. New Orleans still doesn't have a head coach.

Speaker 1 They still don't have anybody in place, which is wild to think about, even though they're saying Kelly Moe is the leader in the clubhouse, offensive coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 Who will be on his staff? How will that whole thing go? We're looking up some stats.

Speaker 1 They have like negative 53 million next year, even with the projected cap of being 275.

Speaker 1 And I think the amount of dead money they have for the next two years, they're number one in the entire NFL force.

Speaker 1 So that Saints gig is certainly one you're signing up for it, but maybe there'll be some more patience than there is somewhere else because everybody knows that going in.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, the greatest NFL coach of all time, the greatest NFL general manager of all time, currently the head coach of the North Carolina Tar Hill football team.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 Coach, how you doing?

Speaker 7 Good, pound. How about you? How's it going?

Speaker 1 Hey, life is great. So we saw you get back into coaching this year.
Pete Carroll obviously gets back into coaching. Our guy, Chuck Pagano, is getting back into coaching in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 You football people can't stay away from ball. Is that kind of the lesson here?

Speaker 7 Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, pretty much. How much better is your life now that you're back in with a mission, with a plan, with a program? And how is that all going here in the first few weeks?

Speaker 1 Maybe, how long has it been now? A month, month and a half?

Speaker 7 A little over a month.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, look, Pat, it's great to be part of a team. And,

Speaker 7 you know, to work collectively with

Speaker 7 other coaches, staff members, Mike Lombardi

Speaker 7 and the players towards the common goal is really what it's all about. And it's just, it's fun to be part of a team.
Being on my own was, you know, great for a year, but

Speaker 7 I'm really happy to be part of the Carolina team.

Speaker 1 You continued to act like you were in it, though, right, throughout the entire year, waking up early, studying film, having projects, things like that?

Speaker 1 Or did you take some time to yourself whenever you're off?

Speaker 7 Well, no, I started with you on the draft. That was a great project and had a lot of fun doing that, following the draft and the players coming into the NFL.

Speaker 7 And, yeah, been involved with both college and pro football all year. It was a good learning experience for me and a good opportunity for me to to see more college football, go to some games.

Speaker 7 But not only that, but just to follow the whole rest of the league instead of one team.

Speaker 7 When you're with one team, the only team I focused on was my team and the team we were playing.

Speaker 7 And that just changed every week.

Speaker 7 Last year was different.

Speaker 7 I was able to take a perspective, much broader view of college and pro football and look at different organizations, the way they did things, and just the way that college and football fit together.

Speaker 7 And also just see what the fan experience was like, what it's like to be a fan and to watch and follow football.

Speaker 1 I remember you walking out at the draft, which we're so thankful you did with us. You were fantastic on that.
Absolutely crushed all year and on the draft.

Speaker 1 And you looking with Goodell like, holy shit, this is what the draft is. Like, you know, because you've been in your cocoon up there,

Speaker 1 you know, doing the draft all the time. Then you get out into the world and it's like, damn, the NFL is doing pretty good here.

Speaker 1 Now, my question for you, and I don't know how I haven't asked you this, was there anything that you learned from any other teams this past year whenever you're watching how they they operate?

Speaker 1 Because the assumption is everybody would want to learn from you. Was there anything that you like saw how a building was operating and were like, damn, I wish I would have done that?

Speaker 1 Or if I ever run a building, I will insert that into my process?

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I learned a lot this year watching a lot of teams, talking to people, but certainly a great experience.
And I'm very appreciative of Coach Fish.

Speaker 7 for giving me the opportunity to come out to Washington and spend a little time out there with him and watch his program. But that really showed me how exciting and interesting college football is.

Speaker 7 You know, you have a lot more time to spend with the players. They develop, you see them just develop more.

Speaker 7 And they're very

Speaker 7 eager to learn and

Speaker 7 try to become NFL players. So that was a great, great experience for me.
And then, you know, I was able to visit some other schools as well.

Speaker 7 You know, Coach Kelly at LSU was, you know, very hospitable as well. And,

Speaker 7 you know, got to, you know, Rutgers and Coach Ciano. So, you know, I learned a lot from, you know, looking at some of these other programs.

Speaker 7 I didn't know where it was going to end up, but it was certainly interesting and educational at the time. I mean, Pat, you're always learning.

Speaker 7 No matter how far how much we do and how much we think we might know or have experience with

Speaker 7 football is always changing all the time. New players,

Speaker 1 new rules, new things are happening.

Speaker 7 And the learning part of it's actually a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think that's why the grades are great because you continue to evolve as opposed to being stubborn and stuck in your ways.

Speaker 1 You're open to new ideas, new concepts, and obviously a new life as a college football coach.

Speaker 1 Remember, everybody thought you were going to leave UNC because you hadn't signed a contract and there's these jobs and then you hadn't put the staff together.

Speaker 1 We talked to Lombo and you, and it's like, right now, we're not worried about staff. Right now, we're worried about putting a front office personnel, player personnel together.

Speaker 1 We're worried about the players that we're going to get either keep or get in here. Whenever the coaching staff comes, we'll figure that out at the time that it needs to be.

Speaker 1 Where are you on that front? And where are we in the timeline right now of what you're trying to institute at north carolina

Speaker 7 yeah well we're all set we'll we're full speed ahead yeah pro football talk's not a good source for me um but you know we're we're uh

Speaker 7 this is the last week we can be out i can be out on the road in january and then we kind of you know go to a you know a different model where uh the student athletes can come and visit us but uh you know we don't see them as much on the road so um you know we have february to kind of work on our season program then we start spring ball in march through mid-April.

Speaker 7 And so football season, we'll be on the field in, I don't know, a little over a month. So that'll be exciting.
And we're already in the middle of the offseason program now. So,

Speaker 7 you know, the guys are working hard. And, you know, we're still

Speaker 7 recruiting, you know, mostly 26 players, but there's still a few moving parts in the incoming class as well.

Speaker 1 Are you getting down underneath the bar down there? Let those kids know. You still got it?

Speaker 7 Well, I'm underneath the bar. I don't think I still got it, but yeah, I'm underneath the bar.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Still squatting is unbelievable.
Go. Absolutely unbelievable.
We were just talking about, you know, I just asked you about putting a staff together.

Speaker 1 We were talking about Liam Cohen, who just got the head coaching job at Jacksonville. He only has five years of NFL experience putting his staff together.
D-Butt has a question for you, coach.

Speaker 2 Yeah, coach, I just want to ask you, what are some of the challenges when it comes to putting a staff together? You got Liam Cohen, his situation, being a first-time head coach.

Speaker 2 I'm sure his phone is blowing up from a lot of his former stops that he's been at.

Speaker 2 And then this New Orleans job, which hasn't been taken yet, but when it is taken, obviously a lot of these coaches already have jobs.

Speaker 2 So what are some of the challenges when it comes to putting your staff together as a first-time head coach?

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, one of the big challenges is if the coaches are on a contract with another team,

Speaker 7 which I would say a lot of them are,

Speaker 7 then

Speaker 7 you have to get permission. And if you move them up from position coach to coordinator, then

Speaker 7 you might be able to do that.

Speaker 7 A lot of coaches that aren't on another team are from staffs who have been released and either their contract ran out or their teams are replacing them with other coaches so they're available.

Speaker 7 And then, you know, there could be the

Speaker 7 coaches available from college or maybe that were out of football last year, things like that. So just have to kind of take it case by case.

Speaker 7 You get a lot of recommendations.

Speaker 7 When you take a job, you probably have,

Speaker 7 I don't know, two or three hundred messages in the first week from either people who want jobs or people who are recommending other people for jobs or some version of that, especially strength coaches.

Speaker 7 Everybody wants to be a strength coach. So I've probably had 100 strength coach applications

Speaker 7 this year and when I took the Patriots job, you know, many years ago. But everybody out there who trains somebody can be a strength coach.
So there's no shortage of those. But it's really,

Speaker 7 it's definitely a process. And if you don't know people, then the interview process, getting to know them,

Speaker 7 takes a little time. I'd say, you know, most of the people that I've talked to that have gone through this process would say it usually takes two years.

Speaker 7 That the first year, you know, a lot of your things will work out, but not all the hires will. And then

Speaker 7 or they'll move on or that type of thing. And then, you know, by the second year, you probably are closer to getting those staff that you want

Speaker 7 and that want to be with you.

Speaker 7 Sometimes it's probably a two-year process.

Speaker 1 Your staff was a lot of familiar names and faces. I assume a lot of people do that in business, but you certainly were a guy that was known for that.

Speaker 1 The people that are going to coach for Bill are people that either had coached for Bill before or have kind of come up through your entire system. Is it because they understand the strategy?

Speaker 1 They understand the work ethic?

Speaker 1 What is it about it? And what was the most important thing to you when somebody would come coach for you?

Speaker 7 Just a common vision, good fundamental teacher.

Speaker 7 You know, obviously teaching the players is what we do.

Speaker 7 But, you know, we all have different strengths and weaknesses. And I think as a head coach, you try to put that together so that you have,

Speaker 7 you know, that your staff is balanced.

Speaker 7 But really, there aren't too many people on the staff

Speaker 7 that have worked with me before.

Speaker 7 I mean, obviously, we have a couple, but not there are a lot of... I have connections with some people and all that.
Of course, Mike and I have worked together

Speaker 7 in the head coach GM model, but most of the rest of the people actually

Speaker 7 haven't worked with us before.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm excited to see it all come together and your vision, your eyes. Let's talk about the NFL a little bit.
Obviously, we're a week, a little bit over a week out from the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 This week, right here, for a team playing in the Super Bowl, are we trying to take care of all the bullshit?

Speaker 1 Like, what is the mindset for you whenever your team was preparing for a Super Bowl on this particular Pro Bowl bye week?

Speaker 1 What do you think Andy Reid and Siriani are trying to get accomplished in this particular week?

Speaker 7 I think that on Monday and Tuesday,

Speaker 7 you know, a lot of rest and recovery. I think both teams, you know, some guys banged up, they played a lot of football, but it's really taking care of most of the logistics,

Speaker 7 handling the, you know, family requests, travel, rooms, tickets, so forth and so on to try to get all that settled.

Speaker 7 you know i would think they would probably try to get all most of that done by thursday where everybody has their allotment for rooms you know tickets and bus passes and so forth and so forth so on whatever you need down there And then either on Thursday, Friday and Saturday or maybe Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, depending how the coach wants to structure the week, I think three good days of practice this week are probably where you would get about 80% of your game plan in and practice it.

Speaker 7 And then once you get down into New Orleans or the Super Bowl City, you maybe save about 20% down there to add in so that

Speaker 7 you're not getting too stale. You're not repeating too many things too many times where it's the eighth time you've gone over it and then you lose a little bit of the urgency.

Speaker 7 So maybe you save something down there like, you know, red area or,

Speaker 7 you know, a couple gadget plays or a couple blitzes or some situational football, things like that.

Speaker 7 But really Wednesday is the best day of practice at the Super Bowl City. And then Thursday is, you know, is a lighter day.
That's when the families come in.

Speaker 7 And, you know, Friday and Saturday are just kind of wrap-up days. So I'd say it's like one and a half good days on Super Bowl week and call it three, three really good days

Speaker 7 in your home city.

Speaker 1 Okay, so on that note, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Coach, when it comes to these massive games, obviously the Eagles have added a lot of new pieces and this is their first year in Philly.

Speaker 1 But how much does the experience of that big game Super Bowl feel kind of matter? Because everyone on the Chiefs has basically played in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the Eagles still have guys from the two Super Bowls they've been to in these last five years, but how much is that kind of a factor going into this game?

Speaker 7 You know, it's it's

Speaker 7 look, I don't think it's a bad thing, but the game is about how you play.

Speaker 7 It's not what you've done or haven't done or anything like that, how much money you make or who made all pro or MVP or anything else. It's about how you play in the game.

Speaker 7 So I've always told my teams, I don't care whether you're a rookie, whether you're a 10-year veteran, whether you're a 15-year all-pro, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 The only thing that matters is how you prepare and play this week.

Speaker 7 And so, you know, we had a guy play pretty good in 01 uh brady i think his name was um he had never been in a super bowl before we had malcolm mitchell who really had one good year for us he didn't even play after his free he played as a rookie he played one but without him you know i don't think we would have you know would have won that super bowl you know he had some key catches for us and sure you have your brady's and gronkowski's and edelmans and high towers and and those guys but you know malcolm butler i mean made one of the greatest plays in super bowl history and didn't even you know he was a replacement at halftime.

Speaker 7 So he didn't even start the game. So, you know, things like that.

Speaker 7 I don't think you should ever, those players should ever be counted out. And I think you never know which one of those guys is going to need to make a key play for you.

Speaker 7 I think if you look at Kansas City the last couple weeks, they've had two big plays on kickoff return to start the game against the Texans. Punt return last week against Buffalo.

Speaker 7 I mean, Nobody's heard of the returner. Nobody's heard of the guys who were on the punt return team or the kickoff return team.

Speaker 7 You know, it was a great return. It was so well executed by the Chiefs as they've been doing on special teams.

Speaker 7 Here comes Watson over from the backside double to make a key block at the point of attack. And there they go down the sideline.

Speaker 7 You know, Chanel had a big block in the two corners, did a great job of vicing Matt Collins on the line of scrimmage. You see, he was the last guy down the field.

Speaker 7 And this is one of the best cover players in the league. So it's not what you've done, it's what you do this week.
And that's about preparation and then ultimately, you know, execution of the game.

Speaker 7 So experience helps if you use it, but it certainly doesn't, you know, preclude inexperienced players from playing great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, some people are just waiting for that big moment to have their biggest game. And before we have our heart out, I have a question.

Speaker 1 There wasn't a lot of games that you weren't in the Super Bowl, or a lot of years you weren't in the Super Bowl. Would you watch it if you're the head coach?

Speaker 1 Are you watching the Super Bowl of two other teams playing in it?

Speaker 1 And how did you treat like Senior Bowl this time as opposed to whenever teams are in the Super Bowl, they don't have as much options, we'll say.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, if you're out of it, I think you get started on the on the senior bowl and some of the college,

Speaker 7 you know, some of the college players, because it actually comes up on you pretty quick, and you can use your time more efficiently at the combine and in the spring workout period if you kind of, you know, have a better idea where you're going.

Speaker 7 But as you can see right now, there's a lot of turbulence in the NFL, like there always is at the end of the year. Good teams are losing coaches off their staff.

Speaker 7 Other teams are turning over their staff and bringing new coaches on. People are coming and going.

Speaker 7 You know, you look two years ago when Philadelphia was in the Super Bowl and lost to Kansas City. Then they turn around and two days after the season lose their two coordinators.

Speaker 7 And, you know, now they're kind of, you know, have to retool things. So there's quite a bit of movement at this time of year.

Speaker 7 And then also you have players coming up that you have to make decisions on

Speaker 7 in terms of, you know, their contract situation next year. And a lot of times it's good to, you know,

Speaker 7 if if it's clear-cut, to do those earlier rather than later if possible.

Speaker 7 So this isn't really a downtime for the coaches. The Super Bowl is a great event to watch just to see how those two great teams play under pressure.
They're obviously the two best teams.

Speaker 7 They're the two teams that should be there. And you want to see how they compete against each other.
But honestly, I'd say the worst part of it is for the teams that aren't there.

Speaker 7 Teams like Baltimore that had two big turnovers without really even getting hit, dropping a pass on the goal line, it would have put the game into overtime, or Buffalo giving up a 50-yard punt return and can't make a couple of fourth downs, or the Rams that give up two long runs and fumble a handoff, and then on the last two plays of the game, don't block Jalen Carter and have to throw the ball away.

Speaker 7 Tampa that fumbled a handoff and then fumbled another play with the wide receiver jet sweep,

Speaker 7 whatever it was, and then fumble the ball down going into score.

Speaker 7 Plays like that that you have to live with for six months, actually longer than that, but until you start training camp again, where you just feel like, you know, we blew the game.

Speaker 7 We just lost the game and lost it on fundamentals, on ball security, on bad tackling, like the Rams had, like, you know, not blocking Jalen Carter.

Speaker 7 He's lined up on a defensive line as three technique, and he's the best player on the field, and he gets a free run at the quarterback two plays in a row on the last two plays of your season. I mean,

Speaker 7 those are heartbreaking and they're gut-wrenching for the team because you just have to live with them for a long period of time. And I've been there before.

Speaker 7 I mean, it makes it for a long offseason, but you got to bounce back. But it's tough.
It's tough to watch somebody else playing like the Rams. I'm sure that they're sitting there feeling like

Speaker 7 we should have been playing in this game, but we just messed it up. And then you take a team like Detroit that had the best year in their history and give up 41 points.

Speaker 7 And, you know, you're not going to win many playoff games when you can't play defense. So

Speaker 7 I feel bad for those teams because

Speaker 7 somebody else is going to feel like that the Monday after the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 31 teams feel that way at the end of the year. Your team was the one celebrating a lot at the end of the year.
We assume you're going to do the same down at UNC.

Speaker 1 We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Bill Belichick.

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The Toxic Tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt, a man who's a nine-year NFL vet, one of the biggest brains in ball.

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Speaker 1 Steve Botch, good to see you. You're battling over there.
Battling. We all are.
We all are. We all are.

Speaker 1 It hit the entire place. Oh, you're talking, like an atom bomb.
Yeah. Yesterday, I took a 12-hour coma immediately after the show.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to be honest, woke up on the other side of it feeling like a billion bucks.

Speaker 1 You guys should maybe think about it. This is the first time I've done that in a long time.
but my body, I think, just said, hey, enough for a second. And woke up at about 4.30 a.m.
5.30 a.m. Just

Speaker 1 what happened? New man. Brand new.
Brand new. Now, still got a little bit of the voice because I was yelling all weekend, but life is good.
How could it not be?

Speaker 1 The Pro Bowl games start tomorrow night. The Royal Rumble is this weekend in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Speaker 1 And then next week, we'll be down in New Orleans at Radio Row, kicking off the week that'll lead to the biggest game of them all, the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Chiefs favored by one and a half down there in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 They'll be wearing the white jerseys, which I do believe says that they have like an 80% chance to win over like the last 10 years or something like that.

Speaker 1 The team that wore the white Spanks-looking ones are the teams that win, but that has nothing to do with this Philadelphia Eagles team.

Speaker 1 They pound a rock, they beat people up, they're not scared to make it a physical fist fight. Now, that leads to this man, 12-year NFL vet, host of in the trenches, AQ Shipley.
AQ Shipple.

Speaker 1 AQ, do you feel like a big dumb dip shit because you didn't think the Philadelphia Eagles would be able to win, even though you said they have the best offensive line in the entire NFL? I don't.

Speaker 1 I stand on what I said, and that is that they have, yeah, I stand on business. The fact that this Philadelphia Eagles' offensive line is incredible.
I really do. I think they're incredible.

Speaker 1 Power rankings,

Speaker 1 the quarterback still has to win it. He still has to win it.
He still has to prove it. Okay, so you still, I mean, he did last week, fourth down.

Speaker 1 There's one game that matters. There's one game that matters.
The NFC Championship. That was the biggest game that they had this year.
This next game. Okay, not all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're all, you know why? You know what the biggest game is? The next one. Bingo.

Speaker 1 So you just chose not to watch Jalen Hurst this past week where he was dropping dimes, Devontae Smith on a sideline with the toe tap. Sick cleats, by the way.
Oh, yeah. Uh-huh.
Great cleats on it.

Speaker 1 How about the fourth down toss to A.J. Brown? Needed it.
Needed it.

Speaker 1 You got it. No problem.
The touchdown to A.J. Brown threw it to a spot where only AJ could catch it.
I mean, this is a beautiful ball here. Great coverage, no problem.

Speaker 1 Let me put it in a place where only my guy can get it, scores the touchdown, and he's able to rush for three touchdowns or whatever the case is, just like Saquon rushes for three touchdowns.

Speaker 1 You were a little bit of a Jalen Hurts hater.

Speaker 1 You were a little bit of a hater. He had his best game there and the biggest game.

Speaker 1 I can't agree with you more, but I will say maybe, maybe I judged him, and I should have been judging the straitjacket. That's what it sounds like.
Okay, see, now you're...

Speaker 1 Now you're just beating it out. Now you're trying to judge some shit.
Not worries.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, he's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner.
Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk.

Speaker 1 A.J., look at this guy deflecting. You know, he's doing a lot of this right now because he kind of, you know, turned his back on his own gimmick.
The offensive line is what wins you games.

Speaker 1 Philadelphia Eagles got the best offensive line in the entire league. They're not going to win it all, though.
How could they? They're not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 Well, they've gone on to win because of the offensive line, impounding the rock.

Speaker 1 They're They're a 1990s football team, and Saquon Barkley is the most explosive player on the field, both statistically and whenever you look at him optically, a guy can take anything to the house.

Speaker 1 How are you feeling about this particular game, and how much do you think it comes down to the trench warfare next Sunday?

Speaker 9 I mean, I think like every big game, it definitely comes down to who can dominate the O and D lines. That's something for sure that you got to look at.

Speaker 9 But Pat Mahomes, I think there's something different with him. We all know that.
He seems to find a way whenever it seems like everything is against him. He just finds a way to win.

Speaker 9 He's a winner, but right there, Saquon is what makes the game different, man. Like,

Speaker 9 that's the biggest reason I'm excited about this Super Bowl. I want to see Saquon go to work, see what the plan is to try to stop him.
I think it's going to be a good matchup, man.

Speaker 9 I think it's going to be a fun game to watch.

Speaker 1 The run game can travel. I'm not saying that Patrick Mahomes hasn't been able to do his thing no matter what situation you put him in.

Speaker 1 And obviously, he's already won multiple Super Bowls, and he's in conversation to be the greatest of all time. He's only 29 years old.
Okay, he's only 29 years old.

Speaker 1 Severely underpaid if you start looking at the rest of the market as well, but he doesn't care because he's the perfect superstar seemingly. We'll be talking to Andy Reid here in about 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 Excited to get his take on Patrick and the team that he has this year. They can win in a assortment of ways.
They've proven that not only this year, but also last year.

Speaker 1 They weren't scared to run the ball 30 times a game last year and win it with the defense. But whenever they say the run game can travel, what does that mean?

Speaker 1 That means even if you're a little tight, even if maybe you're not clicking, not as smooth, you're able to run the rock. This is something in the first half we need to watch, right?

Speaker 1 The Philadelphia Eagles should be able to move the ball here pretty good. They should, but again, we've talked about this over and over again.

Speaker 1 Spaggs is unbelievable, and he is going to take the Belichick model, and that is make them win with one arm tied behind their back. So how do you do that?

Speaker 1 You stop Saquon, you load the box, you do all these things. So then what becomes the most important is the receivers.
It's the pass game and see if.

Speaker 1 Exactly what I've been saying, can Jalen beat you. Well, how come everybody doesn't do it? Isn't it what everybody's doing? I saw it on GetUp last week.

Speaker 1 He said they need to load the box against the Philadelphia Eagles. Doesn't everybody try to load the box against the Philadelphia Eagles? No, because they have enough skill on the outside.

Speaker 1 It's the most expensive offense in the National Football League. They have guys everywhere.
They've paid their quarterback. They've paid the receivers.
They've paid their tight end.

Speaker 1 They've paid guys on the offensive line. Obviously, the running back is paid.
They got guys everywhere. It's not like you can just sit there and take away Saquon.
And oh, by the way, A.J.

Speaker 1 Brown, Goddard, and Devontae are gone. They're there.
They are there. They are all there.

Speaker 2 I mean, they have, some teams have loaded the box. I mean, there have been situations where it's been four minutes.
They're trying to put the game eight, nine people in the box.

Speaker 2 Saquon still hits 60, 70, 80 yards. He breaks that first line.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, once he breaks that first line and he's out running angles, this play to start the damn game. But yeah, it sounds good on paper.
It sounds good throughout the week.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, let's put eight in the box. Let's do this.
Let's do that.

Speaker 2 But when you have an offensive line like they do in Philly, and then you have a game breaker like Saquon, it is super, super tough. It didn't hurt.

Speaker 2 He looked healthy in the NFC championship game, so I expect him to look even better in the Super Bowl when he's back there and gun, and you got to respect him as a runner, too.

Speaker 2 You're playing 11-on-11 as a defense. That's tough.

Speaker 1 Well, and even the last Super Bowl, like the team was built pretty similar. Obviously, Miles Sanders isn't Saquon Barkley.
He is much, much better, the best in the NFL.

Speaker 1 But Jalen still threw for 300 yards the last Super Bowl against the Chiefs. So it's not like he can't do it.
It's just going to be one of those games where, I mean, AJ brought it up right away.

Speaker 1 Like, if Saquon rushes for, you know, 150 yards and two touchdowns, it's going to be hard to imagine that the Chiefs win that game if Saquon is is doing that. The Chiefs will get outrushed.

Speaker 1 They'll get outgained. They'll get outwitted.
They'll get outplayed even, and they'll still win the game. They have a special it factor about them that doesn't come around often.

Speaker 1 You know, that is why we're talking about the greatest dynasty in the history of sports if they win three straight.

Speaker 1 We thought the Patriots are going to be the greatest dynasty in professional sports for all time. How do you have a 20-plus-year run of success in a league that is built off of parity?

Speaker 1 If your team stinks we're going to give you better draft, it's literally a salary cap. It's set up so teams can always have a chance.

Speaker 1 But then you start looking at the stats, it's like, well, for 20-some years, it was a Patriots League. And now it feels like it's Kansas City Chiefs League.

Speaker 1 If they win three straight, greatest dynasty of all time, AJ, are you going to crown them? Crown them.

Speaker 9 Oh, I mean, I'd have a tough time not crowning them. I really would.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it's not easy, obviously, to win one, win two, then win three. You have to get lucky, I think, injury-wise, but also strategy-wise, you are the target.

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have been the target for the better half of the last decade, and they still show up and play their best ball in the biggest moments.

Speaker 1 AFC Championship, they look like the team that we all, you know, kind of hope for them to look like. Will they be able to do it again in New Orleans, AJ?

Speaker 9 I think, as Bill Belichick said on this program, I believe last week, like your secondary has to tackle very, very well.

Speaker 9 And that's when Saquon gets rolling, you'll see like you can't let these six, seven-yard runs turn into 25, 30-yard runs, or a three-yard run turn into a nine-yard run.

Speaker 9 Like you have to do, it's like those little things throughout the game, game, I think.

Speaker 9 And I think secondary coming down and making sure tackles and like the whole, that's why Spaggs, you know, like as AQ said, Spaggs is unbelievable what he does and they're very disciplined defense.

Speaker 9 You got to be disciplined and you got to find a way to get this dude to the ground because he's awesome.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's talk about Spaggs' defense. And I know this was supposed to be part of everything DB, good D, bad D, but it's a massive piece of conversation on the internet.

Speaker 1 And Dan Orlovsky referenced it yesterday. saying that people are saying Josh Allen should have switched the protection on that fourth down and everything like that in a two-second period.

Speaker 1 Those people have no idea what they're talking about. This is what Dan Orlovsky said.
Instead, the real conversation is what? Kikio, back to the beginning of that play.

Speaker 1 Instead, the real conversation about this play is what, AQ Shipley? Yeah, so the biggest thing that you see here is you see the condensed split up top, right?

Speaker 1 The running back who is the fifth receiver, it's a condensed split, which means he's... Two to three yards just outside the tackle.
So this would have been a will-free safety blitz.

Speaker 1 If that receiver... What's that mean? What's that means? Okay, so what that means is if you look over the right guard, you'll see Justin Reed.
He is the will as the offense sees that. He's the will

Speaker 1 defender, correct. And then the free safety is the guy back to him.
So as you see that, he's directly behind him. That would be will free safety.

Speaker 1 But if that receiver is further out to the sideline, now that free safety comes down because you're not going to blitz him from 15 yards back.

Speaker 1 So he would now be at five yards, which then would make the center declare the will, Justin Reed, over the guard as the mic linebacker and turn the line that way. And then you would much

Speaker 1 better be able to pick up this. You still have a guy running free, but it would be the widest guy and not two guys up the B gap.
But instead, because he's tight, what happens?

Speaker 1 It turns into a corner cat blitz automatically. Will free safety with a condensed split turns into corner cat.

Speaker 1 And then the fact that Spencer Brown and the Bills do not sift away from the way the center does, you get two free rushes right up the B gap.

Speaker 1 So this is maybe a play design flaw as opposed to a quarterback check protection flaw. Maybe.
Specifically against Spags.

Speaker 1 Because this is what he loves to do in nut cutting time. Go back to last year's Super Bowl, the play that I think McDuffie tips the ball from Brock Purdy.

Speaker 2 It's the same exact blitz. Two-minute mark, too.
It's the same exact time.

Speaker 1 It's what he loves to do. So if it's a tight split, corner will come instead of the safety coming.
If they're split out wide, safety will come down, safety will come.

Speaker 1 Instead, safety swaps with corner once corner blitzes. Now your job is running back whose wide receiver safety as corner comes off.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so like AQ's seen it, I guess, from the offensive standpoint. I think from a defensive standpoint, especially with Spags, I think it's called a cat blitz, especially with McDuffie.

Speaker 2 So he's calling this.

Speaker 2 And once Joe Brady brings out this tight formation, it just helps us because if we are split-wide, like AQ said, or if it's two receivers, then that's when we switch it and give that blitz to the safety.

Speaker 2 But there are indicators here, if you go back to the beginning, that a blitz would come.

Speaker 2 You can only send a corner blitz typically if you have a split safety look because that safety has to get over top of that number one wide receiver the other part of it that's ty johnson that's a running back not a you know a badass at receiver so we're not worried about blitzing our best cover guy and leaving him uh one-on-one in space in fourth and five and then shakir being at the snap of the ball three or four yards behind josh allen So a lot of people are saying just swing it out to him.

Speaker 2 If you swing this ball out to him, you have to flip your hips and actually make that throw. And then you got three or four guys rallying to make this tackle probably before that fourth down marker.

Speaker 2 So I think the formation, the play call, it played right into Spaggs's hand because if you like, this is what Spaggs wants to do. He wants to get his DBs involved in the Blitz.

Speaker 2 He loves sending athletes after the quarterbacks, especially in critical moments of the game.

Speaker 1 Hall of Fame coaches across the board for Kansas City. I'm not saying that's not the case for Philadelphia.
We will see. Fangio certainly going to be in conversation.
Siriani. Without a doubt.

Speaker 1 The way his career has started, without a doubt. Kelly Moe, maybe.
Kellen Moore has a chance to get into the combo. We'll see how it goes if he ends up going to New Orleans.
Stoutland.

Speaker 1 Stoutlin, the offensive line coach, obviously. Yes, I agree.
He's a Hall of Famer. But if you look at the Kansas City Chiefs, special teams coordinator, Hall of Famer, Tob.

Speaker 1 Defense Coordinator, Spaggs, Hall of Famer. Andy Reid, Hall of Famer.
That helps, H. That helps, especially in those massive, massive moments of an AFC championship game, H.

Speaker 9 Well, have you just listened to the Chiefs players talk about Andy Reid?

Speaker 9 He's so like humble about it when he like redirects it but listen to the defensive players talk about spags and like watch their interactions with spags it's like spaggs is the man he is the leader they listen to him but it's like seems very collaborative as well to where he actually listens to them and listen to them in the game too and and adjust off of what they're seeing out there.

Speaker 1 What was that last year? He said, normally you have like two guys that are like coaches on the field on defense, you know, that you can kind of throw anything out. He said, all 11 guys

Speaker 1 are coaches on the field for me. That's very abnormal, and we certainly take advantage of it.
It feels like it's the same thing this year with that defensive squad.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and like to Bill's point earlier about like the players and everything, like how much experience matters. Like, I would just, you know, as a fan, think like

Speaker 3 coaching is where that really matters. Because like guys like Andy Reid, like, he's not going to shrivel up and pucker up and get all nervous in certain situations.
Same with Spags.

Speaker 3 Like, some of these younger coaches who are getting in their first Super Bowl, like, we always talk about like, well, maybe the moment just got too big for them.

Speaker 3 Or even a guy like Sean McDermott, who has been there time and time again, but hasn't been able to get over the hump. Joe Brady's a super young guy.
Like, you don't see Andy Reid or Spaggs.

Speaker 3 Like, they're not making those. We're never talking a Monday after a game.
Like, well, the moment was too big for Andy Reid. You know, he kind of just, he shriveled up.
He made the wrong call.

Speaker 3 Like, it seems like he's been there enough times, and so is Spaggs. Those guys always make the right decisions in the biggest moment.

Speaker 1 When Spaggs saw that tight split.

Speaker 2 You play all right, so it's in.

Speaker 1 They're sitting on a sideline just going, yep,

Speaker 1 and Reid. They're like, Spaggs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Everybody play cool, play cool, play play cool, please, please. Yeah, I mean, that is, and it's all happening within the spur of the moment.
But play before they brought seven.

Speaker 2 They sent six or seven to play before in the third and ten, I think.

Speaker 2 They picked up five-yard on a quick screen, but you come out a tight split because you think about if you're playing Madden, if you go empty, you go five wide, and you're trying to send a blitz.

Speaker 2 It's hard for you to disguise that as a defense. But once things get tighter, it's easier for us to disguise and communicate, switch responsibilities when the offenses are tighter.

Speaker 1 We hate the play call.

Speaker 2 I hate the play call for

Speaker 2 Buffalo. For defense, I love you hate the play call.

Speaker 1 So, the biggest thing when you play SPAGs, you know, he likes to pressure and you know he loves to bring zero. That was literally our entire game plan when we went against them in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 It's like he's going to bring pressure, he's going to bring seven, he's going to bring zero. So, we have to have an answer.

Speaker 1 So, hey, how many times are we going to need to call Gronk back into protection? How many times are we going to have to have a back in protection?

Speaker 1 So, by going empty in that moment and nut cutting time, knowing he's going to bring something, and the O-line has them all, and you only got five, and they're going to bring something, some type of zone pressure, some type of zero, some type of something.

Speaker 1 You got to have an extra guy. I love that he's so aggressive, especially in the biggest moments.
That's why he's going to go down as a goat.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of them over there in Kansas City.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a four-time Super Bowl champ, three as a head coach for the Kansas City Chiefs, one as an assistant coach for the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, Andy Reed.

Speaker 8 All right, guys. How are you doing?

Speaker 1 Amazing. Thank you for taking time out of your life and joining us.
We're obviously massive fans, and we know you've got a lot going on. So thank you, thank you, thank you.
Let's get right into it.

Speaker 1 We were just talking there about that fourth down play where Spaggs brought the corner blitz off the tight split. How nice is it to know that Spaggs is your defensive coordinator?

Speaker 1 And what are the conversations between you and he strategy-wise going into each game?

Speaker 8 Yeah, so Spaggs and I have been around each other for 40 years.

Speaker 8 People probably don't know that, but all the way back to when we were college coaches. And so I kind of know exactly what he's thinking at what time of the game.
And

Speaker 8 I have full trust in him. And whatever he likes in those situations, he dials up and goes.
I'm not a restricter on that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love that. And then your special teams coordinator, Tob, he's a Hall of Famer as well.

Speaker 1 You guys have gotten massive special teams plays in seemingly every game you've had over this recent dynastic run you're on. How have you been able to piece together this staff and then keep them?

Speaker 1 You know, Spaggs just interviewed, I think, for Jacksonville and for the Jets. Tob, I assume, has gotten interviews as well.
But you three are a master class at very important spots.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on Tob and your special teams?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think the world of Tob, he's another one I've been around with for 40 years. He and Spaggs actually went to Springfield together and played.
And then

Speaker 8 Tob transferred to UTEP and I was the coach at UTEP. So

Speaker 8 we're all kind of intertwined there somewhere. And

Speaker 8 we know what each other's thinking, and we're able to just kind of move on with it.

Speaker 1 It has to be great to do it alongside people that you've known for so long. It's been fun to watch your team do their thing.

Speaker 1 Last year, the big conversation about your team was, oh, they're winning in a different way. You know, they're handing the ball off.
They're playing good defense.

Speaker 1 This year, you guys continue to have the best record in football. And he said, this team stinks.
They're not playing good at all. They're not doing this.

Speaker 1 What do you think it is about your team and why you are able to win win in such a variety of ways, Coach?

Speaker 8 Yeah, well, Shipley told me I needed to run the ball some more.

Speaker 1 So I

Speaker 8 said, start acting like an O-lineman and run the ball.

Speaker 1 You're an O-line guy at heart.

Speaker 1 That's right. That's right.

Speaker 8 So,

Speaker 8 but listen, we had a few injuries at the wide receiver spot. We're bringing guys in.

Speaker 8 So it sure helped to have that run game available. And the linemen do love doing it, and they do it well.

Speaker 1 coach whenever you think about patrick obviously we just talk about his greatness and how he has this clutch gene and everything like that what do you think gets left out of the conversation about patrick is it how good of a teammate he is his work ethic what do you think doesn't get mentioned enough about the guy who's trying to win another super bowl and he's only 29

Speaker 8 yeah well you know the kid and so he he's a great kid he grew up in a locker room he's humble what a phenomenal teammate he's always complimenting his guys He kind of knows when to pull on them and when to back off and compliment.

Speaker 8 He's just got a good way about him, and he's smart on top of all that and is a very hard worker.

Speaker 1 Do you still draw up random ass plays,

Speaker 1 you know, like even at this stage of the season? Are we still drawing up ridiculous plays to maybe drop them into the Super Bowl?

Speaker 8 Yeah, well, that's the fun part. So I've got these coaches here that have creative minds and they love doing it.
We get the players involved too.

Speaker 8 it doesn't matter if it's a lineman or a quarterback, whoever, if they've got something good, let's put it out on the table and see what you got. And

Speaker 8 I've got 51% of the vote, but I still am open-minded with it.

Speaker 1 What was it? Chili Dog, Corndog, Hot Dog,

Speaker 1 Corndog, Corndog, whatever it was. Feels like the names of these plays are also legendary.
Wasp from a couple years ago, we've obviously learned about. Can't wait to see what you drop for New Orleans.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 9 Coach, can you talk a little bit about Chris Jones? Watching the guy play, it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 9 We see how emotional he gets after big wins, and it seems like this dude really cares about the team and wants to win. Can you say, like, what does that mean for your defense?

Speaker 9 Obviously, he's such a physical force.

Speaker 9 I know, speaking to all linemen around the league, they obviously hate playing you guys because blocking this guy is a disaster, but what does he mean to that defense?

Speaker 8 Yeah, listen, you and that guy next to you over there,

Speaker 8 you guys would love to have him in front of you. He's one of those kind of guys that just goes, and he's got that pass rush ability.
He's a bigger human being than I think people think.

Speaker 8 He's a big old kid and

Speaker 8 loves to play. He's really developed into a leader over the years.

Speaker 8 He was a kind of a goofball when he was younger, but he's really, he's turned it into being a real positive leader out there. And I appreciate that part.
So

Speaker 8 he's an all-pro player.

Speaker 8 You see him play every Sunday, and that's what he is.

Speaker 1 He cries national anthem. He cries whenever a big play is made.
He cries whenever you guys are going to the Super Bowl. It's like, I love how emotionally invested he is in your program and your team.

Speaker 1 Does that make you feel good that your biggest players are that bought into your program and everything like that when you see stuff like that?

Speaker 8 Yeah, listen, that's real, too. I mean, he, he gets fired up for it.

Speaker 8 I'm good with it. He can cry all he wants to cry.

Speaker 1 I love the kiss and

Speaker 8 he can, whatever. He doesn't, he's not crying when he's sacking the quarterback.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, everybody else is crying. Yeah, especially about the refs.
Hey, have you heard that conversation? You know, you and the refs are meeting like, what, tonight for the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Is that what's happening?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, right.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 Listen, I try not to pay attention to any of that stuff.

Speaker 1 It's loud, coach. It's loud.
It's stupid. This happens whenever you win, though.
It happened for the Patriots for 20 plus years. Let's talk about another veteran on your team.

Speaker 1 AQ has a question for you, coach. Coach, congrats on going to another Super Bowl.
Let's talk a little bit bit about Joe Tooney.

Speaker 1 Obviously, going to his sixth Super Bowl on two different teams, but can you just talk a little bit about what he means to that team and the character that it shows he has, being able to move from basically a Hall of Fame type guard out to tackle?

Speaker 8 Yeah, you know that. That's a tough deal, man.
It's a lonely area out there at the tackle spot. There's normally the other two spots,

Speaker 8 you've got friends on both sides. Out there,

Speaker 8 you don't. And it can be a short corner at times if the tight end's not next to you.
So it's,

Speaker 8 you got to,

Speaker 8 you know, you got to be wired right for that thing and have enough athletic ability to play it. And he's got all of that.

Speaker 1 How's that conversation go? He says, I'll go out to tackle if we need it. Do you ask him? How do we make that decision?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 8 he's willing to do anything. I mean, that's how, again, that's how he's wired.
He's just.

Speaker 8 He does what he says,

Speaker 8 wherever you need me, whatever you need done, I'm good to go. He's been an all-pro center.

Speaker 1 He's been an all-pro guard.

Speaker 8 And he probably would be an all-pro tackle if he was out there long enough.

Speaker 1 Now, he might be a Super Bowl champion tackle. What a career he's piecing together.
Got a tough defense coming up. Go ahead, Debut.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Coach, we were talking about your defense and Spags on the other side. Vic Fangio, he's kind of turned this Philadelphia defense around.

Speaker 2 What's the biggest challenge y'all facing this Eagles defense in the Super Bowl couple weeks?

Speaker 8 Yeah, man, that guy, I can't get rid of that guy. He's everywhere.

Speaker 8 And he's tough.

Speaker 8 He's got a great scheme, and that defense plays their heart out. That's a tremendous defense.
Offense, too, but that defense. You're asking me about the defense.
And

Speaker 8 Vic is as good as anybody in this league, man.

Speaker 8 Everywhere he goes, he puts together these defenses that are tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And when they ran his ass out of Miami, they thought it was Vic Fangiover.

Speaker 1 Instead, he goes to Philadelphia and they're flying around. Let's talk about one of the goats.
Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 3 Yeah, coach, throughout the last couple of years, it seems like when it comes to Travis Kelsey, people are saying, oh, you know, maybe this guy's lost a step or two.

Speaker 3 His production isn't quite the same. And then the playoffs roll around and he turns back the clock and he looks like, you know, primetime Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 3 What is it about him that makes it, you know, when the playoffs come around, you know that he's going to produce, he's going to have 100-yard games.

Speaker 3 And in the biggest moments, he's always going to be there and come up big for you guys.

Speaker 8 Yeah, listen, he's a great player, and he's got guys around him now. We're a little bit healthier.
And

Speaker 8 all these defensive coordinators, their whole focus isn't on just Trav and stopping Trav. And so it frees him up a little bit.
He hasn't changed anything from before.

Speaker 8 I mean, he can still do all the same things, but he's got a couple guys on him. Then you go a different direction and have to work another area.
But

Speaker 8 he's still really a good football player. Keeps himself in great shape.
Never wants to miss a rep in practice. hates coming out of the game.
I mean, absolutely hates coming out of the game. And

Speaker 8 so

Speaker 8 I love that part of him. He's one of our team captains, been voted that for the last how many ever years here

Speaker 8 and just does a good all-around job there.

Speaker 1 He told us that he's feeling 22.

Speaker 1 You know, jamming Taylor a little bit. Another guy who's got it.

Speaker 6 I got you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you get it. Yeah, you get it.
Another guy who's actually 22, I think, Xavier Worthy.

Speaker 1 First of all, whenever you guys draft him, trade up with the Bills to draft him, do you think to yourself, how come everybody lets us get the fastest guys all the time?

Speaker 1 And whenever you get him on your team, does your brain just immediately start cooking up ways to get him the rock?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, Matt Nagy does a good job with that.

Speaker 8 He puts him in a lot of different positions

Speaker 8 where he can operate.

Speaker 8 The kid is willing to do it.

Speaker 8 I would tell you that having Hollywood here has really helped that part. I mean, Hollywood wants to play every down.
He wants to play every spot. He's a smaller guy.
So

Speaker 8 he fits in there and kind of the same body type. And

Speaker 8 likewise with Deshaun Jackson, I was lucky to have Deshaun, and we put him everywhere, and he was an every down guy, and that's what Worthy wants to be, and he's willing to work at it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and your work with Tyreek, obviously, is well documented. I mean, the fastest guys in the league always find their way to an Andy Reid offense, and it seems like it's cheating,

Speaker 1 but it seemingly also works. We asked Coach Belichick about the advantages of having a Super Bowl experience team.

Speaker 1 For you, do you think there is any advantages to your team understanding what this next week and a half is going to look like for you guys?

Speaker 8 Well, it does help. We're playing another Super Bowl-tested team.
So it's...

Speaker 8 They were there one of the times that we were there. And

Speaker 8 listen,

Speaker 8 i think in this case maybe it doesn't it doesn't really matter but i it's going to be two good football teams playing each other it's going to be great for the national football league and most of all for the fans out there so and it'll give you guys something to talk about yeah

Speaker 1 you know hopefully in a good way right we need that coach we've been talking about your team a lot with how great they are and uh we can't thank you enough for stopping by for a quick trip and a quick break in the itinerary safe travels down to new orleans and good luck to your team all right listen i appreciate it you guys are doing a nice job man great job hey we're trying we appreciate you too you guys are doing a great job yeah phenomenal appreciate you pat mcafee dog gonnett ladies and gentlemen coach andy reed we appreciate you coach

Speaker 1 coach that was awesome so he had there's no time in the schedule for today no no no i sent a text over hey is there any chance coach reed could stop by in the next few days

Speaker 1 It's a lot. We can make 10 minutes today, though, if you can promise us 10 minutes.
I'm like, definitely. We'd love for him to stop by.
So we said a rapid fire there of Andy Reid.

Speaker 1 He's close to the vest with everything. Obviously, close to the vest with everything.

Speaker 1 But Xavier Worthy there falling to his team and then them trading with the Buffalo Bills. Obviously, you got immediately reacted as soon as it happens on draft night.

Speaker 1 But it's like, how come the fastest humans in the NFL always find their way to the Andy Reid offense? And then Nagy, he's given credit to, which I respect and appreciate.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Nagy doing his thing. It's like they utilize it too.
They use every single piece of grass on the field and they really put defenses in terrible positions. He is such a smart coach.

Speaker 1 And I think what you played for him? I played for him for two years and that was kind of cool that he remembered because it was a very brief time in my career.

Speaker 1 And the fact that he even remembered my name was actually kind of cool. But at the end of the day, whenever

Speaker 1 he was playing there,

Speaker 1 I mean, I literally was on the practice squad there. Like, I didn't, yeah, he didn't have to remember me whatsoever.
But getting back to playing for him, the one thing that I remember about him was

Speaker 1 we talk about the run game, and he does not look at just handoffs and pitches to the running back as the run game. He looks at those swing passes out in front.

Speaker 1 He looks at getting the ball to the perimeter. Those are all extensions of the run game.
He is not big on, hey, let's give this guy. 25, 30 carry.
That's not the way he sees this. It's

Speaker 1 how many times can we get our guys the ball out in space, even if it's just perimeter throws or whatever? It might be behind the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 It might be on the line of scrimmage, but he looks looks at all of those as extensions of the run game. Super duper accountable guy, right? Like that's his thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and listen, like if you even watch the last couple plays, yes, super accountable, but he also coaches his guys so hard and they're always prepared for the moments.

Speaker 1 Like if you look at that play where it was the fullback or the fullback and they run the rollout and they get the first down late in the game, they run to the line of scrimmage, they get out of the line of scrimmage, they're hide.

Speaker 1 DeMar Hamlin gets lost in the sauce, right? And then you get a wide open guy. When they run the little mesh route to win it to a P-rine, right?

Speaker 1 He comes across, you get the three receivers going this way, and they get picked. So many guys miss that pick.
They miss the pick, but everybody is so well coached.

Speaker 1 They do their job, and it doesn't matter when. And you're going to trust them.

Speaker 2 Trust that guy in that moment. And you talked about

Speaker 2 even like Worthy and the extension of the run game. Like their pass game was, even with Worthy, he didn't have a ton of downfield catches this year.
Hollywood didn't.

Speaker 2 He obviously wasn't healthy, but a lot of their pass game is horizontal.

Speaker 2 Crossers is picked, getting the ball in these guys' hands, and then getting in third and manageable, converting third downs, and taking care of the football.

Speaker 2 That's kind of the theme of both of these football teams going to the Super Bowl, taking care of the football, and then taking away on the defensive side.

Speaker 1 Chiefs are favored by one and a half. Let's head over to Hammer

Speaker 1 for some more gumbling news on the big game next Sunday. Yes, they are favored by one and a half across the board.
All books have it at that. The total is 49.5.
As you would predict,

Speaker 1 the public is hammering the over of 49 and a half. 75% of the the public is on uh the over 80 so far is on the eagles early early betting uh

Speaker 1 80 this is very early yeah very early i mean as you get into the second week and those huge million two million three all those million dollar bets come in that'll change a lot um some of the player prop stuff that i i was looking at dallas goddart right now is the most bet on player prop of his over 50 and a half i believe receiving yards the chiefs are 32nd uh in giving up yards to tight end so i believe that's that that stat has leaked out there.

Speaker 1 So that's probably why there's a lot of potential on Goddard right now. The other interesting one is Saquon.
That man right there, I think his over-under is 112-ish, somewhere around there.

Speaker 1 Different books. That's in the Super Bowl.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 And the thing is, the Chiefs do not, this playoff, the Super Bowl run that they've been on for the last few years, this dynasty that they've been on, they do not give up 100-yard rushers.

Speaker 1 It hasn't happened in years and years and years. So that is something to watch.
And there's just more and more trickle. Oh, a fun one.
Kicker, Eagles. Why can't I think of his name? Jake Elliott.

Speaker 1 Jake Elliott. His total is set at six and a half points over under.

Speaker 1 He's gone over that in seven straight games. So that was just something else that we were looking at going forward.
Okay, and I believe A.Q.

Speaker 1 just looked up another stat to kind of piggyback off what you said about Spaggs' defenses. Since 2019, they have not allowed a 100-yard rusher in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a long time ago. That's six years ago.
Sheesh. That's six AFC championships.

Speaker 1 Saquon Barkley. Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 he was on the Giants, so he wasn't in playoffs. No.
Did face Derrick Henry, though. When Derrick Henry was doing it.

Speaker 1 That was back when it all started.

Speaker 1 That was when this whole thing started, when he was with the Titans. Then Tannehill would get 100 mil, and Derrick would get 50 mil.

Speaker 1 And then now they would fire Vrabel and Derrick Henry would go Baltimore Ravens. Where Chuck Bogano is, AJ, how about that? Chuck going back to work in there.

Speaker 9 I mean, I'm not surprised. I mean, you guys talked about when he was on earlier.
Yeah, the fact that Chuck is going back, it does seem like the perfect fit for him. And you joked with him.

Speaker 9 You said, man, you're glowing, Chuck. But like, he was.
He legit looked like this dude seemed very, very excited to get back out there and start coaching people up.

Speaker 9 And I know Ty asked him about like perspective. He's still going to get on him and jump dudes.
Like, I think Chuck is still going to have plenty of fire in his coaching.

Speaker 1 First day back after he beat Leukemia, okay, punt period. First period.
I think I've told this story before. He's bald okay just came out of chemo and everything like that

Speaker 1 i hit some shank maybe something happened and he looks at me and goes let's go and i'm like aren't we just happy to be alive right now you know aren't we just happy to be alive he go we got a game to win you know we got a game to win loves ball loves coaching loves making people better which i think is why he's so you know, joyful because he has that mission yet again.

Speaker 1 You know, Bill Belichick has come on here every single week, and there's been numerous weeks where Bill is clearly not thrilled that he is joining us. You know, like

Speaker 1 he is certainly mines potentially in other places. Then, whenever he gets that North Carolina job, that next time he was on, it was like he was literally floating above it.

Speaker 1 He was like, I'm back into having a reason almost and a why.

Speaker 1 And I'm excited for all of them. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a future First Ballot Hall of Famer.
He's a member of the Bull Ring of Honor down there in Houston for the Texans.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, the owner of the Burnley soccer squad, raise the Clarets, JJ Wald. Yay! Raise!

Speaker 1 Raise them.

Speaker 9 Good afternoon.

Speaker 1 Raise them.

Speaker 6 Up them.

Speaker 1 Up the Clarets. Of course.

Speaker 1 Up them. Up them.
How are we doing? How are the Clarets doing? Have they been upped? Are we upping the shit out of these Clarets?

Speaker 6 Oh, we're just setting club records for shutouts, seven in a row. We've only given up nine goals in 26 matches, so no big deal.

Speaker 1 Hold on. This is the, if he doesn't let up up a goal the rest of the year, you have to go play for the Bengal's guy.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. Starting literally to get a little more concerned about it here as we go because

Speaker 6 Leeds was the number. Leeds was top of the table.
It was a great matchup between two teams at the top of the table.

Speaker 6 They didn't put one past him, and we don't have anybody at the top of the table coming up. So it's getting a little dicey here.
We've only given up nine and 26.

Speaker 6 The ratios are starting to get a little wild.

Speaker 1 Well, that's crazy in soccer to only give up nine goals in 26 games. Yeah.
That is crazy, isn't it? Crazy. KG.
That is a lot of KG.

Speaker 6 Literally a record in English football history tied for the record. So there's 28 games.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's a record.

Speaker 1 We're doing pretty good. Up them.

Speaker 1 Up them. Up them.
Up them.

Speaker 1 Why are you saying it's getting dicey? Don't you want to go play for the Bengals? It's a beautiful city over there. Beautiful team.
I'll go.

Speaker 6 I just, I don't want to, I don't want to tackle. I don't want to be hit anymore.
I don't want to wake up at 5 a.m. to go do a field goal block meeting.
I really, really have no interest in those.

Speaker 6 Don't want to stay after for the PA meetings. And

Speaker 6 I just really enjoy setting my own schedule and doing what I like to do and generally don't love all those things and having a guy count my reps as I do pull-ups in the weight room, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you just want to play Pro Bowl football, sounds like.
You just want to play Pro Bowl football. You know, we don't want to tackle.
We don't want to be held accountable.

Speaker 1 We don't want to do any of that. I obviously had a chance to play in a Pro Bowl game with you.

Speaker 1 Late in the fourth quarter, I was trying to get you back on the field with Andrew and with many of the Pounceys, I believe.

Speaker 1 I was trying to get back on the field because if we were to win, that'd be a $40,000 difference for me. And although you didn't care, I certainly did.
And I think you took the Pro Bowl very seriously.

Speaker 1 You were the player MVP in 2015, I do believe, of the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 1 And obviously, for the last 10 years, 15 years, the Pro Bowl has certainly become something that not a lot of football people are proud of. Now, can't blame the players for not wanting to get injured.

Speaker 1 Can't blame the players for what it has become. And obviously, the NFL isn't the only league that's trying to figure out their all-star game.

Speaker 1 But yesterday, whenever Drake May gets announced as a Pro Bowler after winning

Speaker 1 two games, and obviously, I think Drake would even say he didn't plan on becoming a Pro Bowler.

Speaker 1 You put out a tweet that said, you know, let's just start calling it the participation bowl instead of the Pro Bowl. This used to mean something.

Speaker 1 I heard it actually in his voice say, this used to be special. This used to be something awesome.
What are your expanded thoughts on the Pro Bowl? And is it savable? I don't think it is.

Speaker 1 I don't think there's any right answer, Jage.

Speaker 6 I think it's okay to just admit that something has run its course.

Speaker 6 I think there was obviously a time where it held a serious level of prestige and honor, and guys went and thoroughly enjoyed it and played and put in some great effort.

Speaker 6 I mean, obviously, the Sean Taylor clip comes to mind.

Speaker 6 But I think over the years, the way the business has grown and the way that the risk level has gone through the roof for if you're a guy in a contract year or if you were, God forbid, to get hurt in that Pro Bowl, what it means for your next season, what it means for your career, for these teams,

Speaker 6 it just does not make sense. It just is what it is.
So understandably, that's why they've gone to this

Speaker 6 whatever flag, you know, playing capture the flag format,

Speaker 1 which is, you know, fine, well, and good. It's flag football.
It's in the Olympics. Police, I'll have you know.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 But anyways, we've drawn to whatever this is.

Speaker 6 So like, I get it. Like, it's just, but, but do not,

Speaker 6 we can't be calling guys Pro Bowlers. We can't be saying this is a Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 This is a Pro Bowl line. This is a Pro Bowl tight end.
Like, he's got three Pro Bowls. Like, if you're, I just, the voting process from the beginning, we should discuss, but that's its own.

Speaker 6 right thing.

Speaker 6 But just this whole thing, it's like, come on, what are we doing here? We're doing it for the commercial dollars on a couple million viewers on a random ass Tuesday that nobody's watching.

Speaker 6 A couple of guys run around.

Speaker 9 What do they do? What do you think they should do, like physically? What could they do that we would want?

Speaker 1 I literally don't know.

Speaker 6 That's why I said I think it might be just okay to admit that something's run its course. Like, you're never going to get rid of it because it still makes money.
Like, I'm not an idiot.

Speaker 6 It still is a television show. There's an audience and there's commercials for it, which is great.
That's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Big spike is about to be awesome, Jake.
You've never seen it. Maybe Maybe don't judge it before you get a chance to see it.

Speaker 1 Linemen are going to be spiking balls onto a machine that measures the amount of power.

Speaker 1 And then how about Helmet Harmony? This game shows players' knowledge of their teammate. Wow.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 That's embarrassing, guys.

Speaker 1 A relay race. That'll be fun, you know, because are we passing a baton? Are we doing the entire thing? Track baton for the NFL.
And then satisfying catches presented by Snickers.

Speaker 1 Wide receivers, tight ends, and corners are put through a time-catching obstacle course. And then, obviously, the quarterback carnival is what they should be calling that one.

Speaker 1 Dan Orlovsky stole the show last year, which once again goes back to JJ's point. If Dan Orlovsky is the one stealing the show, maybe we shouldn't be doing.
Head to head, you got a Madden game.

Speaker 1 That's fun.

Speaker 1 That's good content. Punt perfect.
Punters and non-punters compete to punt footballs in the six large cups. That'll be fun.
Yeah. That'll be good.

Speaker 1 The Great Football Race, a five-leg course that tests everything from kicking to agility to strength, a decathlon of sorts around football, tug of war, and then obviously flag football.

Speaker 1 It's the Pro Bowl game. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Pro Bowl games.

Speaker 1 It's the Pro Bowl games, Jake. Yeah, it's on ESPN.
Yeah, we're a part of the problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's going to be awesome. Starts tomorrow night.
Tomorrow night, 7 o'clock Eastern. Be a friend telling me.

Speaker 6 It's okay for me to admit that I don't like it or agree with it, and also I don't have a solution. So I don't have the answer.
I don't know what the answer is.

Speaker 1 You're a part of the problem, man. You know, you're in a problem business.
I'm in a solution business. And I'll tell you what, if it wasn't for that second page of games, I would have been out.

Speaker 1 But once they turn that, this one right here is what really put me. pump perfect.

Speaker 9 Where's the three-legged race? You guys were talking about this three-legged race.

Speaker 1 I think that's part of the football race. That's part of the football race.

Speaker 6 Is that a one-man or a two-man race?

Speaker 1 Depends on who it is, obviously, Joe.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yes, I concur. I think we all do.
And this is the NFL, and I assume ESPN and all of its partners trying to figure out how we keep this as something that is of importance.

Speaker 1 And to your point about millions of people watching, this can outrate every NBA game, every single baseball game, every single NHL game.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it is something that has a lot of history, being a Pro Bowler, to your point.

Speaker 6 We were the first to. Yeah, guys got to stop putting it in their contract, by the way, because

Speaker 6 you're going to get screwed on it. Like, don't put Pro Bowl in your contract because of the way the voting goes and everything.
Like, even if you're very deserving, you might not get it.

Speaker 6 So just if you're a player out there, recommendation. probably wouldn't put Pro Bowl in there as an escalator.

Speaker 1 Well, when we were growing up, you know, the Pro Bowl out in Hawaii with the quarterback challenge and everything, the 40-yard dash and the fastest man, yada, yada, yada, the offspring.

Speaker 6 Larry Allen putting up 45 reps on the bench.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was awesome. That was like a dream, you know, like a dream to make the Pro Bowl someday in Hawaii.
And then I made it my first year, and we're in Phoenix. Remember, it was like 24 degrees.

Speaker 1 We had to drive three hours into the desert for a practice. And there was really no events.
There was no pool. And they didn't even run out the entire hotel.

Speaker 1 You remember there was another conference happening in the hotel. And I'm like, what the fuck are we doing? They didn't want me to go pour concrete

Speaker 1 out in the middle of the desert or whatever. It's like, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 I think I was up for the Walter Payton Man of the Year. And I skipped the

Speaker 1 Philippine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I skipped the kid. I was up for Walter Bayt Man of the Year.
And they were like,

Speaker 1 all right, Tuesday morning, you're going to go out and you're going to pour concrete in the middle of the desert. And I said, no, I'm not.
And they said,

Speaker 6 plus, was a little late that day. Plus was a little late that day.

Speaker 1 See, Jage, I knew you were going. So that's why I said, no.
And I had to do a rich Eisen 40-yard dash to make up for it, you know, for St. Jude or whatever the case.
And it was me.

Speaker 1 I think Witten was there. And then,

Speaker 1 who's the DB that ripped Crabtree's? Talib. Yeah, Keep Talib.
I'm like, we run pouring concrete? Nope. Me neither.
All right, let's go ahead and do this.

Speaker 1 So, you know, my kind of lost its luster immediately as soon as I got there. I'm like, what are we doing? What is this? Is the Pro Bowl?

Speaker 1 So if the NFL wants players to take it serious, what I would suggest is you take it serious, NFL.

Speaker 1 You know, and if you want it to be a real thing, I think we're going to have to act like it's a real thing as opposed to what it has become. But nonetheless, congrats to Drake May, making a Pro Bowl.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah, Drake. AJ has a question for you, JJ.

Speaker 9 Jake, getting back to this Super Bowl game,

Speaker 9 let's say you're playing and you're trying to defend Saquon Barkley and what he's doing. As a D-lineman, I guess, D-lineman, DN, we know we move you everywhere.
How does that change your game plan?

Speaker 9 When you know, like, there's certain times that would-be passing downs, I think, for other teams that might not be with Saquon. Does that slow your rush down at all?

Speaker 9 And how do you stop a guy like Saquon?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it purely comes down to team defense. Every single person has to be in their gap.

Speaker 6 I know that there's times that this is rich coming from me as a guy who made some plays by, you know, doing some things unconventionally.

Speaker 6 But it's full team defense. Everybody has to be in their gap.
Everybody has to know exactly where they need to be, what gap they're covering. And he's talked about it before.

Speaker 6 Some of his best, biggest runs are when he's setting you up.

Speaker 6 He's faking into one gap and bouncing out into the other because he saw something earlier in the game that he could take advantage of or he could get you to commit down into a gap that might not be your own and then bounce out to the one you're supposed to be in.

Speaker 6 So it purely comes down to every single guy combining to create a wall that he can't get through. But also, you have to be realistic.
He's Saquon Barkley. He's going to get some runs.

Speaker 6 He's going to break some. You can't let that discourage you.
You can't let that affect you as the game goes on. You have to just go out there and keep playing.

Speaker 6 And to your point about third downs or passing situations, that's very real. Like, there's no doubt that we try to get the third down so that we earn the right to rush the passer.

Speaker 6 So when you get there, you're geeked up. You're ready to go.
You're in your pass rush stance.

Speaker 6 And sometimes that's when it's the easiest because you're creating seams to run right behind you. So it's just about trying to put them in a situation.

Speaker 6 Also, hoping your offense puts up some points so that they can't just keep running the ball.

Speaker 1 Geek the

Speaker 1 geeked up geeked up. And then they pounce right in the mouth.
That is, uh, Lions were doing that this year. Oh, yeah.
Eagles were doing that this year.

Speaker 1 Whenever you have a talented offensive line, you can certainly pull that off. AQ says the Philadelphia Eagles have the best offensive line in all of football.

Speaker 1 He didn't expect them to win this many games, though, Jade. So tell me how that makes sense.

Speaker 6 Tell me how that makes sense. I feel like I've heard AQ say five different teams this year had the best offensive line.

Speaker 1 Well, well, well, we had a week to go. Well, that's because it was week to week, if you paid attention.
Well, yeah, he did.

Speaker 6 Well, I mean, I'm literally on the show with you, so I I do pay attention. But

Speaker 1 currently, they are

Speaker 6 they this week's best of the four remaining, or are they the best of the whole season? Where are we at?

Speaker 1 So, at the end of the regular season, I did the season, and I said Philly was the best of the season. Yeah, not just week to week.
But where was he in your paris rankings?

Speaker 1 I think nine times they were the best during the year

Speaker 6 in week to week. How far ahead of the Lions were they?

Speaker 1 So the Lions were eight, so I had literally Eagles Lions. It was one, two.
Yeah. And then he said, Eagles can't win, though, in the playoffs because Jalen Hurts can't play football good.

Speaker 1 And then Jalen Hurts comes out and slices and dices, and he still just refuses to believe his eyes. So there's a little stubbornness.
He's a little conflicted.

Speaker 6 I really liked earlier in today's show when AQ gave his take on the corner blitz, the safety blitz, or the will blitz turning into the corner blitz, and then Debut came on and said, nah, that wasn't actually that.

Speaker 6 It was just a straight-up corner blitz.

Speaker 1 I was hoping for a bit of more cue.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 I don't think that's what was said at all. Well, I mean, there's a chance.

Speaker 1 I think he said the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 James, what are your thoughts on that? What do you think about that particular thing?

Speaker 6 I have no idea. I'm not going to speak on it because I don't know shit about those corner blitzes because I never had to worry about it.
So I don't know which person is right.

Speaker 6 I would love for you guys to battle it out and get to an answer.

Speaker 1 We should have asked Reed. Andy Reed.
Should have. We should have said, hey, was that Colin? He should have told us.
Yeah, he didn't tell shit. No.
He wasn't. He didn't tell you.

Speaker 1 Not nothing, brother. Not nothing, brother.
He didn't say anything. We could have asked him what food was today.
Well, we're going to eat the food that we eat. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to eat the food that we eat, and then we're going to dump it out later. You know, standard human stuff.
And then, yeah, it should be good. All right.

Speaker 1 Con man has a question for you, JJ. You're getting fucking murdered.
Yeah. Holy shit.
I can't believe some of the atrocities you are claiming on AQ today.

Speaker 1 I'm embarrassed for AQ as a friend. Oh, my God.
What a

Speaker 1 day for AQ.

Speaker 1 Tough. I'm embarrassed, trust me.
Oh,

Speaker 1 he might be right. I don't know.

Speaker 6 Who says D-Butt's right? We don't know. We don't know who's right.

Speaker 1 AP could be right.

Speaker 9 Did they disagree?

Speaker 1 Yeah. D-But said it was called corner blitz.
AQ said that it was

Speaker 1 since the split was in, bang, corner comes anyways. Yeah.
So, man. You know, we'd have to ask Spegs, and he won't tell us.
He won't. He won't.
So I don't know if we'll ever get the right answer.

Speaker 1 We won't. We won't, but Jade certainly says.

Speaker 1 AQ's wrong.

Speaker 1 Good. I didn't say he was wrong.
You did.

Speaker 1 I didn't.

Speaker 1 You got to get their shtick. Their stick is just like trying to...

Speaker 1 Our stick out. Yeah, just pour gasoline on fire.
That's what they like.

Speaker 1 This guy's so pissed. Yeah, it's just all mad.
Go ahead. Because your stick is acting like you're not mad.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. It's okay, brother.
JJ, a lot of first-year head coaches. Also, some guys kind of coming back, Pete Carroll, Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 1 How do you think those meetings and everything is is going to look for those new teams, Shoddy in Dallas, and then essentially they're saying Kelly Mo also in New Orleans?

Speaker 6 The first meeting for a new head coach is always interesting because it gives you a snapshot. I mean, it's the whole first impressions.

Speaker 6 You only get one shot at them, and it gives you a snapshot into what you should expect throughout their... tenure.

Speaker 6 Some guys come in pure fire and brimstone, motivational. And you have to remember, this is happening in OTAs.
So this is going to happen in probably April. They're going to come in.

Speaker 6 That's the first time you actually get to talk to your full team and be in front of them. So they have a lot of time to think about this, to plan it out.

Speaker 6 And some guys come in purely motivational. And that's a little tough in April because you're getting everybody fired up to go do a 90-minute workout and then head home for the day.

Speaker 6 You know, there's not like a true fire and brimstone there.

Speaker 6 For me, if I'm a head coach and I'm coming into that meeting for the first time at the beginning of OTAs, I want to lay out the vision of why this is going to be successful.

Speaker 6 Show these guys that you have a plan. Show these guys that you have it already worked out in your head.
You're visualizing exactly how this is going to go, how we're going to be successful.

Speaker 6 And here's what I need from you: Give them a checklist of things that you want them to accomplish to help you reach that goal and how you're all going to come together to accomplish it.

Speaker 6 Because if you're just hoping to do it on pure motivation or pure tactics on the field, it's not going to work.

Speaker 6 You have to really systematically lay it out and give these guys a reason to believe and give you everything they got.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about Jacksonville being located in the county of

Speaker 1 Duval?

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on this? Legit because Ty, Ty has already made his judgment. I said we should reserve judgment because we have no idea if this guy's gonna be a great head coach or not.

Speaker 1 I don't think we know if anybody is gonna be a great head coach or not unless they've done it in the past and have had massive success. Ty though thinks that that guy.
Yeah, he's gonna stink.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's how he feels. Your thoughts on players watching this and kind of all unravel before they even get in the building?

Speaker 6 If you don't think players watch that, pass it around their own text messages, et cetera, you're crazy.

Speaker 6 They absolutely have passed that around and they, it does, you're going into that first meeting like, all right, let me feel this guy out. Let me see what we got.

Speaker 6 I will say that that's just this year's version of

Speaker 6 Jonathan Gannon shot shots, pew, pew, pew, shot, shots, or the Adam Gase press conference with the crazy eyes from a few years ago.

Speaker 6 So every year it does seem to be that we get one guy that walks into that press conference and you're like, oh, what was that?

Speaker 6 So I do think he's kind of got

Speaker 6 to win the guy's back a little bit after that.

Speaker 6 Don't do that in the first meeting, probably, or do it as a joke and play it off and be like, yeah, what the heck was that?

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 1 I don't know. What do you think? Well, I thought his face knew that his mouth was doing something it shouldn't do.
You know, at the time, because most down there in the county of

Speaker 1 Duval,

Speaker 1 you know, both the head movement, man, and the shoulders.

Speaker 6 He rolls the shoulders with it.

Speaker 1 Beast. Killing the game with this one.
Yeah, dog. Basically, the big conversation that we had after that was like, he's just got to be himself all the time.

Speaker 1 Like, if he's a goober and that's who he is, just be that all the time. Because if not, the players will sense it.
They'll see it. You brought up Adam Gase.
That obviously didn't work out.

Speaker 1 Then Siriani had a situation in his opening press conference where everybody thought he was a big dumb dip shit. It has worked out.
MCDC, they said this guy's an absolute dip shit.

Speaker 1 It has worked out for him. There's been situations that have gone good.
There's been situations that have gone bad. So maybe we don't say that this guy is going to absolutely stink.

Speaker 1 We'll be back tomorrow. I don't think the lighting.

Speaker 1 All right. Jake.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 What a

Speaker 1 terror. Embarrassment? Yeah.
Oh, my God. The only thing we say is don't embarrass the program.
Yeah. And that's really the only rule.

Speaker 1 That's the only rule.

Speaker 6 That was it. I did it.

Speaker 6 I take full responsibility. Go ahead, AQ.
Let it fly.

Speaker 1 What does Alex Pereira do?

Speaker 6 Is that what you think? Exhibit A. Wipe your knees so close.

Speaker 1 Exhibit A.

Speaker 1 Wipe your knees so close.

Speaker 1 Don't listen to him, AQ.

Speaker 9 AQ is going to kill everybody on set.

Speaker 1 There's a chance.

Speaker 6 I think AQ very well could be right.

Speaker 6 Like, I've never said you were wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the way you lay that out.

Speaker 6 I said you guys had differing opinions.

Speaker 1 That's not what you said. You listen to it back.
You'll see how we all took it the way you meant it to be said. AQ said that, you know, it became a corner because of the split.
And then D-Mutt said, I

Speaker 1 just said. Yeah.
Well, how would he know?

Speaker 6 How would either of them know? Nobody knows.

Speaker 1 Well, you're acting like you're on one side. And I think AQ can feel that.
Look at the guy's face. I saw Sweat.
I mean,

Speaker 1 like, I usually do research before I say something. So I talked to a quarterback who maybe played for the Chiefs when the D coordinator might have been SPAG.
So,

Speaker 1 Carrie, the two equals, got it. Perfect.
You're starting to sweat through a little bit, JJ.

Speaker 6 Now, I'll give D-Butt a chance to rebut that because you're coming at D-Butt, not me.

Speaker 1 No, he's not.

Speaker 2 You're not stirring this pot over here.

Speaker 1 Don't you think you're driving a wedge over here in the Thunderdome from your estate down there in Texas, pal?

Speaker 1 Okay, we don't need you high society, hoity-toity bullshit and starting brawls over here in Indiana. Okay, Jage, okay.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 6 I have no thoughts on it. I have no opinion.
I don't know shit about shit about corner blitzes.

Speaker 6 I know literally less than nothing about them other than that I have to pirate down inside if a guy's coming from my side. That doesn't matter to me at all.

Speaker 1 So when you pirate down, is it because of a tight split or is it because the play was called that way?

Speaker 6 I'm not smart enough to know that type of stuff. Somebody else has to tell me from behind me.
AJ's got to say, hey, pirate. Pirate down.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What's he say?

Speaker 1 hey James are

Speaker 6 that's that's our corner

Speaker 2 I love everything about it all right speaking of uh corner D-Butt has a question for you Jay I know you were out in Kansas City for the AFC championship and I feel like after after the game you know it's been a lot of people they feel so so so sorry for uh Josh Allen and losing again to Patrick Mahomes what's your thoughts on Josh Allen and if he'll ever get over that hump that is Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 6 I agree with you. I do think that there are a lot of those sentiments going out there like, man, how bad we feel for the Chiefs, or for the Bills, how bad we feel for Josh Allen.

Speaker 6 He just can't get over it. We wish he would.

Speaker 6 I understand that. I absolutely understand it.
I understand how bad it sucks to get that close and not make it and how bad that has to feel. But if you flipped it and Josh Allen had won.

Speaker 6 three of the last four and going for his fifth, we would be saying the same thing about Patrick Mahomes and his guys. We hate success.
We don't hate necessarily the people that are having the success.

Speaker 6 So I don't really get this whole like feeling sorry for him. Like it's a sport.
It's not like there was an injury. It's not like there was some freak thing that happened or some crazy.

Speaker 6 I mean, I guess there's conversations of some freak things that happened, but neither here nor there. But I don't, it's a, it's a sport.
At the end of the day, one team wins, one team loses.

Speaker 6 It's not like, let's feel bad for these guys. Like, that's what it is.
That's what you sign up for. It really sucks.
If he played in a different era, might he have more championships? Yeah.

Speaker 6 And if he was the one on the other side, would we probably be hating him just like everybody's hating the Chiefs at the moment? Yeah, probably because we hate success, not the people.

Speaker 1 Chiefs are heels by far. Like, people hate Philadelphia as a whole, but I think 80% of the bets are on the Philadelphia Eagles.
Hammer, Don. Don't Tone Diggs.
Is that right? That is correct.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's because everybody hates the Chiefs. Like, that is...

Speaker 9 When you have to start hating them, though, like, when do you have so much success to where people start hating you?

Speaker 1 I think going into last year. Yeah, after the second Super Bowl.
Yeah, I I think going into last year was what then he went again.

Speaker 1 And then obviously Taylor being a part of it all, that's a whole nother animal. That's a whole nother piece of it that people hate him.
And it's just like, that just kind of comes with it, you know?

Speaker 1 And I assume modern day, if Jordan was playing right now, Michael Jordan, he would be hated by everybody. I couldn't even fathom how bad everybody would hate him.

Speaker 1 Just like everybody hates LeBron James. Because of how great he is.
Ain't that right, Adam? When did that flip? Like, why did everybody loved Michael? Was Was it because of the shoe?

Speaker 1 Was it because of the clothing brand? I think that's, we didn't have social media.

Speaker 6 Is that no, they did love Michael, right?

Speaker 6 Nobody ever really disliked him. Correct.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everybody loved him, but there wasn't social media for you to be able to hear. Oh, you're people.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like social media, modern era, you'll hear a reason why you should hate somebody and somebody be like, yeah, I didn't even think about that. Fuck this guy.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, now, bang, it's a group think situation. And it's like, yeah, I didn't even know that I hated this guy.
You're right. More Taylor? Yeah, of course.
That's fake.

Speaker 1 That's not a real boom, boom, boom. Oh, it must be nice.
The refs make all the, it's just one thing leads to another.

Speaker 1 Uh, uh, uh, uh, another, you know, and that's the world that we're in. People have always thrown rocks at things that shine, I believe.

Speaker 1 You know, if you're great or if you're in the spotlight, people have always tried to knock people down. But I think now with social media, there's a lot more like, good point.
Yup.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take that as if it's my own. And I think those who got to play sports before the social media, like, congrats.

Speaker 1 I don't think you had to take the blender that is current modern media world that we're in, but it's good, though. It's also

Speaker 6 a contrarian thing where people are like, oh, everybody likes that guy. I don't want to be like everybody.
Like, I want to be the guy that doesn't like him.

Speaker 6 And then, okay, let's get on that bandwagon. Whereas it's like, it's just kind of like that too cool for school.
Like, oh, yeah, they're so good. I don't like them.
Like, okay.

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts. Yeah, bingo.
Jalen Hurts has some D1 haters because, oh, super handsome.

Speaker 1 So cool. I got a cool chain.
My girlfriend's hot. Oh,

Speaker 1 and I win.

Speaker 1 I'm in the tush push. I scored touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck you.

Speaker 1 That's just natural. There's like 20 of those tweets he gave.
That's just modern human nature these days with how it is. And

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, you hang out in the paint and you're going to get dunked on every once in a while. That's right.
But LeBron James, you know, he's had to deal with that his whole career. He has.

Speaker 1 He grew up in the social media era. Michael Jordan didn't have to.
He didn't this guy's big michael jordan guy yeah loves it yeah hates lebron hates lebron it's crazy

Speaker 1 you still like them both yes amen you can because you're playing two different sports ain't huge

Speaker 1 difference ain't no party like a

Speaker 1 i love i love that you think it was two different sports it is two different sports actually it is wasn't even close

Speaker 1 physical in the 80s and 90s and now you can't touch anybody i get it i get it

Speaker 1 you're telling me six foot eight

Speaker 1 unbelievable lebron wouldn't have played against Bill Lamb. Players missing 400 games.
LeBron would have dropped 60 on the Pistons, and I love those Pistons. What did you say, Zito?

Speaker 1 Players missing 400 games. LeBron? No, Imbede.
Oh, okay. We're talking about LeBron right now, though.

Speaker 1 My indeed, though. My bad.
Just guy who doesn't miss.

Speaker 1 Chicago. Chicago, though.
It is a different game, I agree. But like,

Speaker 1 in that particular case, the load management is certainly a part of that whole thing. LeBron doesn't miss games, though.
LeBron's still playing.

Speaker 1 I agree. Super impressive.

Speaker 1 That's where people will argue about the physical wear and tear because of that but the greats of both eras could play like larry bird today you can't oh like danny would be awesome reggie miller reggie miller would actually probably score 35 points a game because you can't hand check yeah going back to the shooters of the past yes and like abusing the new three-point things would be

Speaker 1 yeah michael red

Speaker 1 mark price would have michael red would average 50 points a game larry though oh yeah larry bird would have lefty and righty would have been able to put up 25 and 90.

Speaker 3 LeBron also never had anyone to run the pick and pop.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, Jordan had Bill Wennington running the pick and pops. Like,

Speaker 1 LeBron never had a guy like that. You know, I watched the last dance.
Bill Carcass. Yeah, Bill Carcart.
Bill Wennington. Who's LeBron's Tony Coop coach? You know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's Scotty Pippin.
Heaven forbid he has a Luke Longley. Just one time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I didn't grow up watching Michael Jordan. I wasn't in the basketball world.
I'd watch the Lake Show late at night, night,

Speaker 1 but the only thing I saw was Jordan highlights all the time. So I'm like, damn, this guy is unbelievable.
The highlights are unbelievable. Unbelievable.
Then I watched that last dance and it's like,

Speaker 1 okay, this is not the same basketball that they're playing nowadays. Every sport evolves.
Every sport gets better. But I'll tell you what, if LeBron James saw somebody dribbling like this,

Speaker 1 he's picking that pocket and he's taking off, you know, Jordan Duncan from the foul line. That was a big deal.
Big deal. Big deal.

Speaker 1 LeBron's 6'8

Speaker 1 would have done that on everybody the entire time. Not saying Jordan wouldn't dominate nowadays.
I think Jordan would dominate anything he tried to do. I think golf,

Speaker 1 I guess he's good at golf, but he's not like dominant. He's stuck at baseball.
Okay, in baseball, I guess he could do it. But if he was to play modern basketball, I think he would dominate.

Speaker 1 I believe that Michael Duncan. But you could say that about any era in any sport, right? Like

Speaker 1 you only play who you can play and you only know what you know in terms of whatever.

Speaker 1 Like they weren't lifting weights and running and doing all that stuff in 1960, but Joe Namuth was still a damn good quarterback.

Speaker 1 If Joe Namath was today, you take that talent, you put it with all the stuff, he can probably compete and be pretty damn good to hear. You said probably there, I'm not gonna give up

Speaker 1 with Michael Jordan. I think Michael Jordan would have been great in this era, yeah, just like I think LeBron would have been great back then for sure.
Okay, so we agree. All right,

Speaker 1 we met in the middle, we met in the middle, two different sports. We did it.
Congratulations, AQ.

Speaker 6 I'm gonna build you back up. My buddy Evan texted me and and said, has AQ been on a powerlifting regimen?

Speaker 1 Because he looks jacked.

Speaker 1 He does. Lift those arms up.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. Lift those arms up.
No,

Speaker 1 I just run hard. You're allowed to sweat.
You're run hard. You're a lot of sweat.

Speaker 5 You're a lot of sweat.

Speaker 9 Missing in main top means you're efficient.

Speaker 1 It is

Speaker 1 Walter Hagen, I think.

Speaker 1 You got the golf. Walter Hagen.
You got that. Who would be a good golfer today? Holy shit.
Golf is one of the sports I think just kind of translates because you're playing against guys.

Speaker 1 Baseball is different.

Speaker 9 Think about baseball back in the day. You're pitching against guys that never get taken out and they're pitching complete games all the time.
I think that's a little bit different.

Speaker 1 Well, what'd they throw? They threw like 85 back then, right?

Speaker 3 Some guys, but some guys were modern Marvels and were throwing like 110.

Speaker 1 No one ran. What? They were throwing like...
Okay. I'm dead serious.

Speaker 1 Maybe the radar guns were a little fucked up back then.

Speaker 3 Looking to try to find clips of the big train, Walter Johnson. He was like 6'9.

Speaker 3 He threw like 110 miles an hour and pitched every day, every inning.

Speaker 1 I think he died because his arm fell. I got to see footage.

Speaker 1 Walter Johnson was a fan of the broken. Please find clips of this.

Speaker 9 Fucking cause of death.

Speaker 1 Arm fell off. Bob Feller.

Speaker 1 Bob Feller. You think you get a nice thing? He threw too much gas.
Yeah. That's why.
His arm just fucking fell off.

Speaker 9 Skeens better watch it.

Speaker 1 Bob Feller, you think you get a nickname like the fucking heater from Van Meter if you're not throwing absolute gas? I don't know. Yeah, but we're talking about gas for the time.

Speaker 1 We're not talking about gas.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, by and large, yeah, guys were throwing fucking 85 miles an hour right down the middle, but a couple guys were.

Speaker 1 When the Bambino was swinging the stick. Yeah.
What were they pitching?

Speaker 3 Well, he played in the Walter Johnson era, so, you know, he saw the big train.

Speaker 9 They're probably throwing those junk balls, too, though. They're loading up the ball with snot and everything, making it move nine feet.

Speaker 3 For sure, but no, I mean, guys today are a thousand times better than they were back then.

Speaker 1 Two different sports. Yeah.
Hockey goalies. Didn't you hard pass?

Speaker 6 The old Gretzky highlights. There's some Gretzky highlights out there where he's just dancing around the entire squad solo.

Speaker 1 Well, he had that goon with him too, you know, so everybody was scared to get it within six feet of Wayno, which is how every team should treat their superstar. But yeah, sports evolve.

Speaker 1 They're different. That's why comparing a different era to a different era is just like a very hard thing to do, I think.

Speaker 6 But that's my thing is like everybody else played in that era too.

Speaker 6 So it's like, like, because I look at the Pete Luayne argument, people are like, well, look, he was just dancing around, but well, nobody else fucking danced around everybody the way he did.

Speaker 6 How come nobody else scored a thousand goals and a thousand assists? Like, how come he was so much more dominant than everybody else? Because he was the best. That kind of goes to AQ's argument.

Speaker 6 Whereas if you put Joe Montana in today's world and he has everything modern, he's going to do it to that level just like he did. Nobody else in his era was going to do it to that level.

Speaker 1 Joe Montana, Joe Namath, both Western Pennsylvania guys, they would have fit in in any era. Marino.
Danny Marino, of course.

Speaker 1 Western Pennsylvania. Yeah.
I mean, just name it Pittsburgh. Yeah, bingo.
That's it. That's why Will Howard, how do you feel about Will Howard? I love Will Howard.
Me too.

Speaker 1 How come it's not being talked about? I don't know. He's 6'5.
He's 240. He can sling it.
He can run it. Yeah.
He won a national championship. It's the face.
It's the face. It's got to be the face.

Speaker 1 No one wants to.

Speaker 1 No one wants to look at that guy. I don't think he can grow a beard.

Speaker 1 I don't think he can grow a beard.

Speaker 9 Paint one on, maybe. Help him out for the combine.
What are you saying?

Speaker 1 You're saying like, Ryan,

Speaker 1 why are you saying painting beards? What are you bringing up? I mean, like, Carlos Boozer back in the day. Oh, okay.
Not Ryan. Whoa, easy.
The booze did not paint his beard on. It just looked good.

Speaker 1 He painted his hair. Well, Well, yes.
He's actually good. You ever had a beard?

Speaker 9 No, I can't really grow very much facial hair at all, actually.

Speaker 1 How about you, Jay? Do you ever have a clean face?

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, I used to have a clean face for a long time.

Speaker 6 Back of my face was actually rounder than it is, so it was probably a mistake.

Speaker 6 But no, I was...

Speaker 6 Age, you should not have a beard. I mean, you can't cover up that chiseled rock right there.

Speaker 1 Foolish. I wish.

Speaker 9 I mean, that would be nice, but yeah, I don't. It's never been a thing I've been able to do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I always

Speaker 1 try to keep a little little bit of stuff on it to cover up all the face. You know what I mean? But I'm more clean-faced now than I've ever been, really.

Speaker 6 What's the longest your beard's ever been?

Speaker 1 I tried to grow it at one time. It's bad.
I got bad. I got to keep it tight.
I can't go too long. I start looking like a

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 1 Now it's not time to say it.

Speaker 1 It looks bad. Looks bad.

Speaker 1 What could it be?

Speaker 6 I'm lost.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to get into it. Now's our time.
Hey, did you hear about the moon landing? 1969? Fuck. Jay, do you hear me?

Speaker 6 No, dude, somebody fill me in here because I saw there was discourse about this, but I have not been able to see it. Dude, what was the RDI level?

Speaker 1 We watched it for the first time yesterday. You know, because last year's Super Bowl was the most watched television thing since the moon landing.
Moon landing had 650 million people watching it live.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is like guy throwing 110 back whenever they didn't have radar. 650 million people watch that thing live.
We actually watched it yesterday live, the moon landing,

Speaker 1 including the call from President Nixon up to Neil and Buzz up there on the moon. And it turned into a day that Connor will never forget.
Connor,

Speaker 1 Connor had a change of mind, I think, on a lot.

Speaker 1 He was the only one, though. He was the only one.
Now, with that being said, it's a good lead-in to a ratings conversation from Ty Schmidt. Jage.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Jage, with everything we've talked talked about, people, you know, sick and tired of the Chiefs,

Speaker 3 don't want to see another Chiefs Eagles Super Bowl since we just saw one recently, the ref discussion, all that mumbo jumbo.

Speaker 1 Do you think this year's Super Bowl ratings are going to be higher or lower than last year?

Speaker 3 We've kind of been going back and forth on this.

Speaker 6 Well, last year was on CBS, so I'm a company man. I will say that I'm going to just guess just a touch lower, just because that's my company.

Speaker 1 But I also,

Speaker 6 people are watching, man. It's the Super Bowl something.

Speaker 1 A lot of people said they're not going to watch.

Speaker 1 I saw at least 100 tweets.

Speaker 1 I saw at least 100 tweets.

Speaker 6 Seven of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by Brady or Mahomes. 14 of the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by Brady, Mahomes, or Remaining Brother.
Like the same people are winning it every year.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 you're complaining about something that's been happening for 20 plus years. It's the same people winning the Super Bowl, the same people in the Super Bowl, even if they're not winning it.

Speaker 6 You've been watching the whole time. The ratings have continued to to go up every single time, and you continue to shit on everybody else who doesn't win Super Bowls.
Hey, hand up, man, up, me also.

Speaker 6 But you're in the era of these guys where 70% of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by two people. So every other, like, it is what it is, man.
It's hard to do.

Speaker 6 These two have figured it out at an unbelievably high level. They continue to do it, appreciate it, watch it for what it is, see if the Eagles can knock them off.

Speaker 6 It should be a great game, but let's not act like you're not tuning in because of this or because of that.

Speaker 1 like you're watching the super bowl man what else are you gonna do on that sunday what are you doing for the super bowl you having a big super bowl party a shindig if you will at the jj watt house

Speaker 1 no i will be watching it that's it yeah i don't know how people watch in big groups we tried it one time i think we did like the super bowl watch thing a couple of them and i think we enjoy it because we're around each other a lot but the people that do the big parties i don't know yeah and then even these last couple years we've just watched it like on our own it's been like man It's pretty nice.

Speaker 1 This is really nice. It's different when you cover it.

Speaker 3 Every day. Day to day.

Speaker 3 Like if you're just going to like a Super Bowl party and you work in like an office setting, like you get fucked up and you're just like shooting the shit with people and like you're watching the game unless you have like an actual rooting interest.

Speaker 3 But like it's just, it's another big event, another excuse to get incredibly boozed up.

Speaker 1 Okay, so it's just viewed as an opportunity.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's just a huge party.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but then you got that guy asking like, oh, how are the kids? Like, how's school?

Speaker 6 And they're like, dude, it's third and seven right now like what the fuck dude just leave me alone god i don't care about the queso dip at this exact moment buddy like leave me alone no i don't need another

Speaker 1 second and five some guys just trying to fucking you know ask about how your kids are doing

Speaker 1 yeah exactly yeah sorry sorry buddy like i don't need you in my life at this moment right now it is hard to watch football in public though i think you know i'd assume much harder for you too and you debut and you aq

Speaker 1 but i think it was the year i retired i did like a watch party thing at one of these places like a sunday watch party and i don't want to say people are stupid but the things that people ask about when watching a game it's like wow i uh

Speaker 1 i don't have an answer for that i don't i don't i don't even know what to tell the way people take in games i think is vastly different than how some other people take oh they just blitz every time yeah exactly exactly

Speaker 1 yeah it's like there's those things oh no why no one's just running that play every time it's like okay all right.

Speaker 1 And then the people that question everything everybody does, it's like, they've only watched like 30 hours of film this week for this particular week. You know, like, I think it is a little tough.

Speaker 1 I think it is sometimes a little difficult to kind of handle that. But as long as you love ball, who cares, I guess?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I'm guessing if you played in the league or like actually played in a Super Bowl or whatever, like you shouldn't be going to a Super Bowl party with just some Joe Schmo who's going to ask you a thousand questions.

Speaker 3 Like that is a, that's an average American who, you know, you get, because you got 50% of the people there are just there for the commercials.

Speaker 1 Oh, commercials this year.

Speaker 1 Excited for the commercials this year, Jake. Are you in any of them?

Speaker 6 No, I am not. I am excited for them as well.
I look forward to seeing them.

Speaker 1 Jake is not in a, well, you're in all the commercials this year. What do you mean you're not in? Surprise.
Surprise. He's ribbon.
I don't believe him.

Speaker 8 Something in NBA, probably. No,

Speaker 6 similar to my career.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 AQ just laughed.

Speaker 1 AQ. I didn't.
I'm drinking water. I'm trying to hype him up.
I'm trying to build him back up.

Speaker 6 Apparently, I shit on him earlier, which I wasn't.

Speaker 1 You were. You were.

Speaker 1 You disrespected him a little bit.

Speaker 1 You don't let them gash you. You disrespected him a little bit.

Speaker 6 Oh, I did it.

Speaker 1 Don't let him gash you. Don't even acknowledge it.
It'll just keep going. Nah, you did.
You did it. A little bit.
Mm-hmm. You did it.

Speaker 6 Have you seen the, I'm sure you have, but the guy on Twitter, X, whatever it is, who every post I post, I'm sure he does it to yours as well tells me how many wipes he does every time this guy's cracking me up right now I've not seen that is that anything I post anything I post he posts like a number of wipes he was like I did 10 I did 10 wipes after this and I'll post like I'll post like I was in Kansas City for the game he's like yeah after the Kansas City game I had 115 wipes like

Speaker 1 cracking me up okay so I want to let you guys know the yesterday I believe I was going through it a little bit out of the basement I had a six wiper and I thought to myself, holy shit, this is a lot of wipes.

Speaker 1 And then I immediately remembered that is nothing in comparison to what you do in there and you do in there and hammer

Speaker 1 tone does in there. At six, I was almost exhausted.
I'm like, can my butt cheeks take anymore? I don't know. And then I remembered, these dudes are doing 100 wipes for one shit.

Speaker 1 I don't even know how that works. How do your pipes not blow up?

Speaker 1 AQ, are you here for this, this conversation? Yeah, it's every Wednesday.

Speaker 1 How many pipes how many wipes have you done uh i mean max max oh that's some situations but i'd say uh yes that's what we're talking about we were talking about those situations okay so probably

Speaker 1 a situation might be like uh

Speaker 1 probably like a six to eight but then like you might get like a little like itchy butt syndrome and you might have to go back for like two or three more you know so it would have been a 10 wiper you think 10 wiper that sounds like a lot doesn't it it does it's nothing compared to what these guys are.

Speaker 1 I heard 50. Jay, no, it was AJ.
And Jake.

Speaker 1 AJ said 100, I think, one time, didn't he? They dropped it down a lot.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, yeah, like there are those times. Like, sure, you can stop early and then have to go back later.
Yeah. But, like, early, like, what, 25 times where it's just a mess, man.

Speaker 1 All right, we're getting out of here. I can't do it.
Are you going to be down in New Orleans next week?

Speaker 6 No, are you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, thought you were going to be there.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'm not.

Speaker 6 We're going to be doing it. I'm coming up to the dome.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 6 I actually am.

Speaker 1 I don't believe it.

Speaker 6 Do you? But I found out you're not back. This is your last Wednesday show until like three weeks from now.
So that hurt my plans. But when we come back, I'm coming.

Speaker 1 Well, really? I don't know if...

Speaker 6 If I'm invited, am I locked out?

Speaker 1 We're here also that week. Oh, yeah, because we'll be...
Yeah. Well, it doesn't need to be that, but you're back in general, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll be back in general, but I think we're going to be potentially, this might be a newsbreaker.

Speaker 1 We're going to be at the Combine, I do believe, live from the Combine, downtown Indianapolis, Indiana, looking at the future of the NFL. We'll have these eyes on it.

Speaker 1 I don't think we're allowed to have a camera on it, though. No.

Speaker 1 It's become a big conversation behind the scenes on where we're allowed to be, what the background is allowed to be, how long we're allowed to even look at them with our eyes versus what everybody else is.

Speaker 1 It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess there's rights and stuff for what you're looking.

Speaker 6 Oh, I see.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 And we're like, like, just fucking put us right there on the top. It'll be great.
Have the thing right behind us. Well, will you show the thing? Definitely.
What are we there for?

Speaker 1 You can't.

Speaker 1 Okay. What? Tell me that before you ask me that.

Speaker 6 So why are we going? So why should we do it from the building?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of that.
You know, a lot of that.

Speaker 6 Dude, do it from the train station, man. Just set that shit up in the train station.
Get the real stories.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. We should do that.
We will get the real stories down there. I wonder how many wipes they do at the train station.
They don't wipe. Yeah, what? At the

Speaker 6 Oh,

Speaker 6 with the amount of drinks and food that's going down at that thing, that train station is seeing some wipes.

Speaker 1 That's right. Long poops.
They don't wipe. They eat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Let's get to a break.
Jage, thank you, man. Thank you.
That was a really good, really good hit out of you today.

Speaker 1 You're coming to the Thunderdome?

Speaker 1 That's awesome news. I am.

Speaker 6 I looked it up. I found out where it is.
I am coming. I found that, and thankfully, Connor told me there's an airport a lot closer than the airport I was looking at.

Speaker 6 So whenever you're back in the Thunderdome, you let me know. I'm showing up.

Speaker 1 We'll see you in April.

Speaker 1 That's a long time. We'll see if you still want to do it.
Yeah. This is one of those things.
That's fun to NOLA.

Speaker 6 Get some beignets.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Maybe a little king's cake, I believe, is what it's called.
Some kreps? Maybe some crepes. Some really thin pancakes.
Yeah. What else they got? Crowd dance.
Oh, yeah. Gumbo.

Speaker 6 Pole boys. Got some pole boys.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Love them. Poe boy.
Fried alligator. I will eat some fried alligator.

Speaker 1 I'm not scared to eat a little alligator.

Speaker 1 Debo, you're gonna eat a little alligator?

Speaker 2 I'm gonna eat a little alligator.

Speaker 1 Super greasy, fatty chicken. Little alligator down there.
What are you gonna eat down there? You're gonna have a little alligator down there. Everything.

Speaker 1 I love New Orleans. Gumbo pop.
New Orleans food's good. Very good, yeah.
Very good.

Speaker 6 I got one more before I go. You gotta stop swinging your feet like that, man.

Speaker 1 You gotta stop swinging your feet like that.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ Watt.
Thank you, Jake.

Speaker 1 Jeez, Louise.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 9 I thought you guys used to walk together.

Speaker 1 He must be mad whenever I pancaked him when he played in Houston.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 He's going to call back.

Speaker 1 He can call back because I got the video right here on my phone.

Speaker 1 Bring me back. Bring me back.
Bring me back.

Speaker 1 Anyone want to watch it?

Speaker 6 You got the video and your favorites on your phone. That's all you need to know, buddy.

Speaker 1 This has been just for this moment. It has been waiting.
It'll screw the five.

Speaker 1 Easy to find. Just for this moment.

Speaker 1 Ah, ladies and gentlemen, a man who was once pancaked by AQ Shipley.

Speaker 1 Ah, that was amazing. Try to go break.
Yes. AQ, if this one goes in, you can pancake it.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Perfect.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 geez. I thought maybe you still had.
I had going in. You don't, though.
Turns out you didn't make one yesterday for a reason.

Speaker 1 Connor did a few hours of research after the show yesterday, got into a couple rabbit holes. Yeah, we didn't go, brother.

Speaker 9 Change your opinion at all, Con Man. Where are you?

Speaker 1 No, but he did change his name to Connor Jinping. That's not true.

Speaker 1 That's not true. I did not.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
They never went to the moon, man. It's fucked up.

Speaker 1 Happy Chinese New Year to you, Connor. Thank you.
You're the dragon.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Snake, Bruce is saying.
See, look, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Well, that's... That was...
It's got to throw us off. No, it wasn't.
I saw a couple graphics and I was like, oh, that's a cool drink.

Speaker 1 Ty, you think about having a conversation with Connor about everything he learned the other day?

Speaker 3 I did, but I usually don't want to engage Chinese sympathizers too much, so I tend to just stay away.

Speaker 2 That's his truth. He can stick with it.

Speaker 1 I ain't a CCP sympathizer. You guys playing that little video game console yesterday? The Swedish device? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Why don't you show it? You can show it on air sometime.

Speaker 1 Nah. It's on your feed right now.
If you open up any social media feed,

Speaker 1 I don't know how they're able to market that. I don't know how they're just shoving it in everybody's face.
Hey, we've stolen everything from everybody that's ever created anything.

Speaker 1 And it's right here on one device for $75.99. That's right.

Speaker 1 The Swedes, huh? Worth now.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're smart. They are.
The Swedes? Swedes. Brilliant.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 On the other side, we got In the Trenches, In Everything DB, Good D, Bad D, and maybe a little conflict of

Speaker 1 a play call in play design.

Speaker 1 Hey, Kirish, what happened out there at what age do you think?

Speaker 1 I'll still be mad about 2012. I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I got it right here.
Got it right here to watch. Oh.

Speaker 1 Who wants to see it?

Speaker 9 You know, when you cut to AQ early on, when the in the hole's coming, Mason.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 9 Just

Speaker 9 real quiet.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 He was so mad. He's pit stained.
There was something like that that happened, I don't know, maybe 15 weeks ago. I went home.

Speaker 1 I was like, I'm fucking finding every goddamn clip I played against this guy for one goddamn moment.

Speaker 9 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 His pit stains got from his armpit down to his hand. I was watching him grow.

Speaker 1 He's getting actually heated.

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Speaker 12 Football!

Speaker 1 He's amazing. That's AJ Hawk, the Toxic Tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.
Let the ponies run. Yeah.
Run, man. And our pony did all the way back to Baltimore, Chuck Bogano.

Speaker 1 Oh, is that the white horse there in the front? Yeah, yeah, I guess so. That kind of just came to me when you said let the ponies run.
Yeah, we're going to miss Chuck around here, aren't we?

Speaker 1 Well, you know.

Speaker 1 One less we have to worry about. Am I right?

Speaker 1 What do we worry about? You know. No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Those Italian tricks oh my god

Speaker 1 what about the donuts exactly one last day of him trying to fatten us up i will say i thought about that as i was reading the news yesterday as it was made official that he was going back to baltimore i was like what are we gonna do without as we play drums on the microphone

Speaker 1 what are we gonna do without the thousand donuts that are brought through this thunderdome office every fall from chuck pogano what are we gonna do without all the meetings that happen outside of the thunderdome what are we gonna do without what everything that Chuck Pagano brings to the Thunderdome?

Speaker 1 I don't know, Ty. I legitimately don't know what we're going to do without him.

Speaker 3 Me neither, because some days, you know, I'll come in, didn't have a great night's sleep, and I pop that open.

Speaker 3 So that's the donut I asked for. I asked Chuck to make sure that, and, you know, what's the first thing he's going to do if he pops open that box of donuts and it's not a particularly good batch?

Speaker 3 He said, okay.

Speaker 1 Let me know whose hash do I need to get on? Yeah, because he'll call. He will.
He will.

Speaker 3 He'll call up there and say, hey, this isn't right.

Speaker 1 We've actually had to craft this donut box to become what it has become. I feel like we finally got it right, actually.
Over years. Years of years of crafting these donut boxes.

Speaker 1 We got a couple Apple Fritters. Yep.
We got a couple Frosties.

Speaker 1 We got a couple Glazies.

Speaker 1 We got a couple Stixies.

Speaker 1 We got another box of these.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's really come together pretty nicely. And I feel like in the last five weeks is really the time it's been correct more so than ever.
Never again.

Speaker 3 Although on the plus side, we aren't going to have that, you know, screeching brain aneurysm noise when he leaves his hearing aids over there.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because he's deaf yeah

Speaker 1 we're gonna miss him right we are gonna miss him bad times

Speaker 1 connor true dude

Speaker 2 nine-year nfl vet dariest jay butler shit we're gonna miss him that guy's of course we're gonna miss him he went out on a great note though hit hit the shot oh yeah

Speaker 1 right yeah i forgot about that though

Speaker 1 below 500 record is that going out on a high note i don't know that's you guys tell me it's behind the shit only only good as your last shot. The books were cooking that guy.
Okay. He had some ideas.

Speaker 1 He waffled a few different times. And we all know what happens when he waffles.
That's why Miss Tina stayed in Boise. He'll be out there in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 Jimmy's famous seafood said he'll give him free crab cakes whenever he's out there. If it's for free, I'll take three for a Chuck Monte.

Speaker 1 Love that line. I've never heard that line before.
I'll certainly take that as my own going forward. 12-year NFL veteran Super Bowl champion, a guy who got dunked on by J.J.
Watt today numerous times.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Shiko.

Speaker 1 I think you got the last laugh. I did see that video from 2012.
You dumped him on his back. Thanks, dude.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it. I'm pretty proud of you.
Thank you. The trenches,

Speaker 1 obviously, a place we like to visit every single week with you, chit-chatting about offensive lineplay and who's good, who's crop, who's great, who's not.

Speaker 1 Who's going to win because they're big boys, they're fatsos, or able to move other bodies. Well, let's do one last one here for the championship weekend.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to go in the trenches with AQ Shipley.

Speaker 1 And then there was two. We are down to the final two teams.
Put my readers on. One team who has been among the absolute best all year, and then this team.
And then this team.

Speaker 1 And then this team. You have not believed in the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line ever.

Speaker 1 No, but I will say, this was the best this line has looked all year long, and they save it for a very important moment against a very good football team. And here's why I want to showcase this.

Speaker 1 We got three plays in this little sequence, right? And so whenever you look at this, see the two tight ends lined up in the backfield? We got Kelsey and Noah Gray. They came out with this.

Speaker 1 They have not shown this all year. They line up with two tight ends in the backfield and then Pacheco behind in the dot.
They come out like this. They motion one over.

Speaker 1 It comes like a diamond formation. It's first play.
They send them both weak. You get a little plus five run.
No big deal. Cool.
We're just setting it up. Now let's go a couple plays later.

Speaker 1 Do the exact same thing. Line up with two in the backfield.
Send him over. Get the diamond formation.
Now we're going to send them opposite, still downhill.

Speaker 1 We get the guard and the tackle pull, and guess what? Kareem Hunt in the end zone, look like a stud. Get him in the end zone, right? Now we go to the fourth quarter, make it break it time.

Speaker 1 What do they think? Okay, we've shown it two ways. We've shown zone, we've shown counter.
We're going to do the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 We're going to pull the guard and the tackle, make it look like counter. Nope, keep it.
Now the tight ends are your lead blockers. Mahomes, touchdown.
So that was all a setup, all of it. All of it.

Speaker 1 And that's the difference between calling a game and calling plays. That's exactly right.
You set it up and like that first play might go for four. Cool.
That's all right. We're just showing it.

Speaker 1 Now they're going to play. Now the guys are going to go back with the tight ends.
Okay, cool. Next time we're going to run the counter.

Speaker 1 Now they're going to fly over the top thinking it's Mahomes or the tight ends go back this way and oh, nobody comes over here.

Speaker 1 Then the next time, everybody goes with the counter and then Mahomes out the other side. AJ, what's the conversation whenever they line up like that? Check, check, check it.

Speaker 1 You guys are acting as if you haven't figured out? You think that's what the Buffalo Bills defense did?

Speaker 9 Well, they're trying to, I would assume after the first time they showed that, they go on the sideline and they're saying, hey, if they do this again, this is our adjustment.

Speaker 9 This is where you line up. This is where we make the close call, whatever, all of that stuff.
So the fact they hit him with it three times and it's

Speaker 9 three different plays and how they ran everything. Yeah, that could cause some confusion.
Look at the Buffalo Bills guy. Look at everybody, like everybody trying to get on the same page here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Milano over to the left. That's where it was last time.
Nope, gone. We're taking it the opposite direction.
On the sideline, they're saying, how are we playing this?

Speaker 1 They can run it left or they can run it right. We're going to play balance now.
We're going to play balance now. They could go either way here.
We got to figure it out.

Speaker 1 And then Patrick Mahomes says, oop, I'm going out the back door. Yup, see ya.
Travis Kelsey lead blocking. What a beautiful play.
Yeah, Milano. Milano is the only backer there, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so they got a safety down. They got a nickel down, right? And then basically Milano right there, the first time, flies with the tight ends.

Speaker 1 The next time he sees the counter, and he's just stuck in that little hesitation, enough for Mahomes. How do you stop it, Debu?

Speaker 1 I don't know. You shoot him in the head.

Speaker 9 Penetration. Penetration kills everybody.

Speaker 1 I guess shooting him in the head would work.

Speaker 1 It's going to be hard to get a gun out there.

Speaker 1 Can Can we go back to the first play of the zone? Just the one that went for five?

Speaker 1 So if you watch this, so let it run, let it run, let it run, and then you'll see Kelsey as both these tight ends go back, right? So watch this.

Speaker 1 So there, and then Kelsey fakes like there, and then he goes out. Now watch that.
See that? That's what's next off of this. You watch.
Oh, a little throw.

Speaker 1 There's going to be a little throw off of this. Oh, yeah.
The extension of one game. That's exactly what I'm going to do.
Tell Philly. I don't know.
It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Something, there's going to be something else off of that. Vic Van Jung.

Speaker 2 Completely different.

Speaker 1 Yep, you know what I mean? Speaking of Philly.

Speaker 1 philadelphia we got the bunch right you see aj brown right there at the point he's got the toughest block we got to seal the edge but guess what let's watch milada first play of the game boys first play of the game washington has a nice drive couple fourth down conversions they get points on the road in a playoff game nope milada throws his ass down go son go saquon in space nobody can tackle him see you later First play of the game.

Speaker 1 Maiata's mic'd up for this.

Speaker 1 Go, son.

Speaker 1 Go, son.

Speaker 1 Great clip. Yeah, he starts laughing.
He's running down there. Saquon's special, but this offensive line sets it all up.

Speaker 1 I forget what the yardage was before contact, but he would be the top three rusher in the NFL before contact, let alone everything else. Can we go back to the top of this particular play, Foxy?

Speaker 1 The important part is they're all on a string, aren't they? Akush. Absolutely.
Absolutely. You get the down block and then Goddard.
Look, see that right there? That's huge right there.

Speaker 1 Smith going in motion because it takes the DB out of there, right? And then it's easy. Goddard out in front.

Speaker 1 Everybody else does what they do, and they all just go, and nobody can tackle in the secondary for Washington. What's that, D-Butch?

Speaker 1 that's that's tough it's tough because you got two dbs shit probably three dbs had a chance to get them down but you can't arm tackle them like you watch wagner too right wagner gets caught in the caught in the down block here watch this he almost tore his damn knee up boom right here and then he just gets caught right there and then he can't get over the top he's the guy that should make that play almost hyperextended to be there he might have that's not good yeah

Speaker 1 making a mush and then Saquon Barkley takes it to the crib and then the last play for the day let's take a look obviously Lane Johnson, the whole right side, Lane Johnson, Bechton, and the center are all going to back block.

Speaker 1 They all got to down block, keep their guys sealed. We're pulling the back side.
As we pull, boom, we get the guard kicker. Watch my lot on Wagner.
Boom. Take him 10 yards.
Keep going, keep going.

Speaker 1 Throw his ass on the ground.

Speaker 1 There was a gain of six there, seven there. That's all right.
We're just making our presence known by putting people on the ground. Mayotte is the real deal, huh? He's awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's absolutely awesome.

Speaker 1 Their whole offensive line is awesome, but what my lot has been able to do, coming over, being kind of a project, and turning into an all-pro tackle absolute dog he was what rugby player yeah

Speaker 1 good feet here's a clip of the first play of the game here of my ladder enjoying the hell out of saquan

Speaker 1 Let's celebrate. Let's celebrate.
Let's celebrate. Let's celebrate.

Speaker 1 It was too far away. We're going to kick the extra point.

Speaker 1 That's a fun group, man. That's a very fun group.
Hey, that's great. And trenches, AQ.

Speaker 1 Let's go, everything. DB, good D, bad D.

Speaker 2 Let's go. Let's go.
Let's get to it. And just like AQ, it's only two teams on here to final two.
This is the Blitz we've been talking about. Fourth and five.
Spags got the corner blitz up top.

Speaker 2 Just the execution.

Speaker 2 Corner blitz, you see, and then up top, Carlofis also getting out to that edge, forcing Josh Allen to pull up so he's not able to extend his play and break that pocket and avoid the blitz, pull up and then obviously make this throw and kinca drops the damn ball but you cannot run it back to the beginning so we talked about this obviously ad nauseum at this point but when you come out with this condensed split this cut split you make it easy for the defense to not only disguise but to execute this blitz you got reed coming up the middle you got uh mcduffy coming off the edge and ends up in the b gap with reed i know aq

Speaker 2 protection standpoint is there any way you guys can pick this up if they saw this pre-snap so the

Speaker 1 it's such a pipe dream to say, but if we just take a look down here at the bottom, right, stop right there. Three DBs, right? You got the two DBs up close, and then you got the safety behind.

Speaker 1 There's three, and how many receivers do we have? Four. Four, three over four.
That tells you somebody else has to drop into coverage, right?

Speaker 1 So you think it's either going to be Bolton or you think it's going to drop this DN, which also tells you, AJ, right, it's going to be some form of a zone pressure, right?

Speaker 1 And so if that's the case, a quarterback can sit there and make a rip call, but you don't know if it's going to be the DN.

Speaker 1 You also don't know with Bolton having a piece of the center, piece of the center meaning right here on his shoulder, that you don't know which one of those two are going to be the droppers.

Speaker 1 So it's tough for a quarterback pre-snap to make a rip call. If you make a rip call, now you full slide right.

Speaker 1 But even if you do make the rip call, every single one of them from left guard over has to fight through one to get to another.

Speaker 1 So to sit here and be like, there's a lot of talking heads out there saying, yeah, I just got to fix protection.

Speaker 1 Well, in order to fix protection, it sounds like a pipe dream to me because you got to push through people, which is hard because if they even come anywhere up the field at all, you can't get through that guy to get to the next one.

Speaker 1 Well, then you got Chris Jones down here on an island. Not that Deion Dawkins isn't ready for it, but that's a whole different animal all by itself.
Fingo. That's exactly right.
What a play.

Speaker 1 Great call by Speck. What a throw.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 that's nuts. For him to even get that throw off and Kinca have a shot at catching it, that was incredible by Josh.
But great job, great execution by the defense. And

Speaker 2 the corner can only come if it's going to be a split safety looks.

Speaker 2 Moving on to the next play.

Speaker 2 Speaking of this defense, Philadelphia Eagles, we always talk about next man up. Nakobe Dean went down a couple weeks ago, tore his knee up.
He'll be out for the rest of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 Orin Burks has stepped up and done a tremendous job. They did a good job against Jaden last week in the NFC Championship game.

Speaker 2 Watch Nolan Smith off the edge with the bootleg, pulls the quarterback up once again. Oren Burks pulls the trigger, gets him down on the ground.

Speaker 2 If you run it back to the beginning one more time, down here at the bottom of the screen, big play Slay. They wanted a dope move down here.

Speaker 2 big play slate is all over this if you watch the bottom of the screen and think it's Deami Brown running this comeback and go all over it he's not there D-line does their job linebacker pulls his trigger gets the quarterback on the ground so on every level of this defense they're clicking on all cylinders 10 takeaways right now no giveaways on offense that's a recipe for success and that's how you put up 55 points to beat the absolute dog shit out of the commanders that wasn't a takeaway there but this next play here

Speaker 2 the exciting whites along with Zach Bond. You see where Zach Bond is at pre-snap.
Now, you run this play, DeAndre Brown's coming over in motion. He's going to get this pass.
Boom, quick screen pass.

Speaker 2 Just watch the pursuit from this whole defense and then the punch out from 53 and 33. I don't know who's going to get credit.
Yeah, I don't know who's going to get credited.

Speaker 2 If it's going to be Zach or Cooper, because Cooper's kind of pulling at it too. And I've been in these positions.

Speaker 2 I'm sure AJ probably has been in these, some of these sideline conversations with, hey, I was punching it. Hey, I was pulling it.
Who's going to get the credit for it?

Speaker 2 The violence of the punch, I think Zach Bond will probably get the credit, but Cooper DeZine was also punching and gnawing at it as well.

Speaker 1 So let's talk about that.

Speaker 1 Is that, would that be a half? Do they give half? No, I don't think that.

Speaker 9 They don't give half cause fumbles. Nope.

Speaker 1 So you got half sacks, obviously.

Speaker 2 Half sacks, which you've heard and you've seen people argue about those. Oh, yeah, argue about those, wanting the full and wanting a half.

Speaker 1 But Cooper Dejine's saying, you didn't even touch the ball. My hand is the only one that touched the ball.

Speaker 3 You can see his hand's the one that kind of scoops it out.

Speaker 1 out yeah i think that's one exciting whites zero bond i i'm not 100 sure coop's a team guy so he don't give a shit but i do coop the gene forced that fumble and i just want that to be known

Speaker 1 but there you have it on the record on the record what who was it given to do we know i don't know

Speaker 1 we should look that up i'm assuming bond everybody's been saying bond though they said it on the on the broadcast because he had he didn't even touch the ball though don't even touch it no i i would like to i I wish it was a half.

Speaker 1 I wish they could give it a half.

Speaker 1 And it was great. They should have said that maybe a little bit more.
Bond got the credit? Yeah, Bond got the credit. How do you feel about it, Ty?

Speaker 3 Again, you know, Coop don't give a shit. And guess what? Super Bowl Sunday is his 22nd birthday.
So, I mean, he's got a special play in his holster still. So he won't worry about it.

Speaker 3 He's just going to go out and do the dirty work, do the things that, you know, no one's asking him to do. But, I mean,

Speaker 3 when he started playing, this Eagles defense kind of went to a new level. So, you know.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday to he and Saquon Barkley celebrating a birthday on February 9th. Happy birthday, happy birthday.
Super Bowl birthdays, two of them on the same team.

Speaker 1 You would assume that would bode well for them. Do we have some bad D here?

Speaker 2 This is bad D, and uh, this is kind of along the same theme that AQ is on with sequences of some of these plays. The third down in the second half, you'll see Hollywood Brown.

Speaker 2 Watch Kyra Elam down here. So, we always talk about getting on different levels.
You pause it here in man-to-man coverage.

Speaker 2 The reason you get on different levels, especially against bunches and stacks, is because you want to avoid the picks.

Speaker 2 And Elam does a terrible job here avoiding the pick, allowing Hollywood Brown to get free on this third and four.

Speaker 2 You saw the trip bunch, and you saw Perrine kind of leak out from the backfield there on this play as well. But now, once you get the pick, you get a free runner.
So, right here, pause it.

Speaker 2 Final formation, you got Perrine the back. So it's a four by one.
You got the back offset to there as well. You got the pick route crossers with the back coming to the flat.

Speaker 2 You run it third and four. You get Hollywood Brown free here.
Boom. Big third down conversion to go put some points on the board.
Now you fast forward to the end of the game.

Speaker 2 The third and nine.

Speaker 2 Boom. You get a shift.
So you come out in one formation. It's four by one to the boundary.
Now they shift to the field.

Speaker 2 Very similar concept. Now you got a bunch of these crossers become picks.

Speaker 2 You bring Pariah from the opposite side of the field, and he gets the biggest first down of the game to pretty much seal this one.

Speaker 2 So everything Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, this offense is doing, it seems like they're kind of setting you up for when it matters most in the fourth quarter to kind of put the games away.

Speaker 2 So once again, great execution and great play calls. Bernard's right here.
He's trying to cover the back. You're never going to get through all that traffic.

Speaker 1 They're playing chess, not checkers. Always.
Doesn't matter that he starts to the right of Mahomes, leaking to the left flat.

Speaker 2 That makes it a little tougher. But where Bernard was alignment-wise, I feel like he was in a pretty good spot alignment-wise, but it's just that traffic.

Speaker 2 Like, you bringing three guys in, and their job is really, they're not even really trying to get open.

Speaker 2 Like they're just trying to run in his pathway without actually hitting them so they don't get caught for the OPI and then

Speaker 2 I just got to get out there.

Speaker 9 Debut, sorry, sorry, but when I watch like him, he and Milano are two-on-one on that back.

Speaker 9 I guess the only thing I guess he could have done is they would have like in and out and both of them have outside leverage.

Speaker 9 And if he like went and got up on the line of scrimmage, like off to the right, I've done that in the past.

Speaker 9 If you're like beat to the flat like that, like say 4-3 goes up there on the edge on the right, and he's like, hey, if he comes back across the ball, like I got him here.

Speaker 9 Obviously, you protect me, Moano. If he breaks back inside, you got him then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you said

Speaker 1 pre-snap and drinking. Pre-snaping.
Pre-snap. Yeah, 4-3.
Pretty much

Speaker 2 to go all the way outside of that defensive end, basically.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you're basically playing the play, which you can't really do. But if you have help inside, I guess you could have.
And like I said, this is like just watching this over in real time.

Speaker 9 That's almost impossible to do. But if they showed that before and they had worked on it, it's something you could possibly do.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're saying that he should have won all the way outside as if he was.

Speaker 9 Just completely remove your, take the pick out of it. Like, hey, if he comes across, if that bat comes across the ball, I'm up here on the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 9 I'm basically grabbing him as soon as he clears the tackle box.

Speaker 1 And P. Rine being the guy, does that change anything for them, AJ? Because he's obviously not like a star player for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 6 I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 9 Maybe it may get your antenna up a little bit. Like, hey, something weird might be coming here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so, like, whenever the Colts did this

Speaker 1 with our third-string running back, game on the line, season on the line,

Speaker 1 everybody said, what a dipshit. Why would you do that? But that was actually part of it.
It was like, yeah, nobody thinks you're going to the fourth string running back there. He's actually wide open.

Speaker 1 He's in the NFL. He should be able to catch the ball was kind of thought.
P. Ryan, nobody thought P.
Ryan was getting the ball right there.

Speaker 1 In my eyes.

Speaker 2 I mean, their offense, obviously, you got Travis Kelsey and, you know, worthy, the first-round pick this year, but you never know who's going to be that guy that was crazy. It could be D-Hop.

Speaker 2 It could be Juju. No.

Speaker 1 It could be Gray.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 you don't know. And Perrine, he was in on the third and four earlier, too.
So maybe he's their third down back. But you never know who that guy is going to be.

Speaker 2 It's not like they're just centered around one guy in their passing game. So it's difficult.
You got to be on point.

Speaker 1 Biggest play of the season. Who's going to get it? Samaji Piran, obviously.
Of course. We knew that for the Kansas City.

Speaker 1 Hey, great, everything, DB. DB.

Speaker 1 All right. Before we get out of here, AQUESH, you know,

Speaker 1 you've had a day, Lily.

Speaker 1 Tough one. Great day.
I thought it was great. You've had a great day, too.
Yeah, great day. I thought you've had a great day.
There's been some moments. Great days can be tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I didn't think it was a tough day. I thought you had a good day, Leigh.
I thought before the show, great energy over there. Thank you.
Thank you. I think Jade sent a couple

Speaker 1 at you, and you handled it pretty well, I think. You even pulled up a favorites video.
You thought about it. We went and did a little trip down Nostalgia Lane.

Speaker 1 Now all you got to do is just win 30 people 500 bucks. Here you go, Kyush.
There we go. What are you going to do? You're going to throw a football? Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen, this is the last one of the season here, Ekush. Why don't you go ahead and do this for the people? Need it.
On this winter Wednesday, AJ Hawk has a message of hope for you.

Speaker 9 AQ, you know, you guys took Jim Knowles away from the Ohio State Buckeyes. Hopefully he can help you guys reach your dreams next year.

Speaker 1 He grew up in Philly. He said, not the suburbs of Philly either, North Philly, right in Subway downtown.
So he said, waking up in the morning on Sundays, it was always Penn State football.

Speaker 1 It's great to be back. You guys are willing to pay whatever to get whoever, huh? Is that what's going on up here in Penn State? Hey, we're all in.
We are all in, and we are going. We are going.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to see who they get in the spring. Spring transfer portal.
Is that still a thing? Yes, it is. There's another week open

Speaker 1 in April. Yeah, we're going to get three more guys.
I can't wait. We are in.
I thought he was going to Oklahoma if he was going to leave Ohio State. Instead, he ends up at Penn State.

Speaker 1 You guys are just willing to do whatever, huh? They threw the money at him, and sounds like he wasn't appreciated very much at Ohio State. Is that all about age?

Speaker 1 I like him.

Speaker 9 I don't know. I mean, I guess not to the tune of 3.7 million a year, I guess.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, money is certainly a way to

Speaker 1 showcase how much you care about somebody. And they said it was well below $3 million is what Ohio State's offer was.
You can stay with the national champs, but it's going to be 1.5. 1.5.

Speaker 1 How about it? They said he wasn't incorporating enough of Bobby Carpenter's stuff on the D. There's a chance General Bob Carpenter wasn't happy with everything that was taking place.

Speaker 1 Won a national championship, though, with Ohio. I hope bygones can be bygones and they can celebrate that thing together.
You guys actually going to make a route this or what?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, we're in.
Dude, this year we were all in. Yeah, we were there.

Speaker 3 Should offer $60 million. Screw it up.

Speaker 1 $30 million. Who? Saban.

Speaker 3 Offer him $30 million a year.

Speaker 1 I don't hate that.

Speaker 1 We bring everybody. Get everybody to spend the money.
There's a chance Patcraft would do that, too. He's the type of guy that would potentially happen upon Saban and just go, what is the number?

Speaker 1 30, 40, 50 million. Sounds like Saban wants no part of this college landscape anymore, though, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, he's certainly a massive piece of it with game day and everything he's doing behind the scenes. I think he's trying to shape it.
But I'm saying coaching.

Speaker 1 I think he's trying to shape it so that like teams can't just offer millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars to everybody to kind of change their roster.

Speaker 1 And I think he's talking directly about the Penn State Nitty Line. Yeah, I mean, there were some other people doing that this year.

Speaker 1 Penn State, they'll ray back in the game whenever you're able to utilize what the alumni have. I mean, if everybody's doing it, you got to go.
We'll see. We got to go.

Speaker 1 They're doing it better than everybody up there in Penn State. I tried to mention it on game day.
I've told you, you're the one that basically was giving me this information.

Speaker 1 Then when I started doing my own research and then chit-chatting with the people, it's like,

Speaker 1 yeah, Penn State might be the most active in this entire thing. Everybody's talking to Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, everything like that.

Speaker 1 Penn State might be the most, hey, yeah, we hear what they're doing. Let's double it.

Speaker 1 I don't think they were a year ago. I agree.
You know, I think that was like the thing. And then it was like, okay, if we're doing this, we got to buy in.
We got to go.

Speaker 1 So your wrestling team hasn't lost in years, right? Yeah, they are unbelievable. Okay.
How is... They play.
Is it Iowa this week? Yeah, huge. One.
Huge, two. Yeah.
Will that be on TV? Big Ten Network?

Speaker 3 Big Ten Network, probably, yeah.

Speaker 1 what night

Speaker 1 i actually will watch that saturday yeah i think it's saturday night

Speaker 1 to watch that yeah but i would want to watch if you're going to watch a wrestling meet all year that would be the one and the iowa kid was talking shit yeah

Speaker 3 it's a penny state guys there's like genuine i don't know if it's bad blood because i think both programs respect each other quite a bit but like this has turned you know like iowa was just the best team in the nation for so long and then cyl sanderson got to penn state and like now they are the best like so there's like a genuine rivalry this on Friday night maybe watch Friday night

Speaker 1 Friday night a big 10 network tone

Speaker 1 uh I just saw Friday night let me look what network is it in Iowa City is it at Carver or is it not sure yeah they need to uh big 10 network check big 10 network friday night suite um they need to move matt madness And I know that that is probably a time that has been set.

Speaker 1 They should not be trying to compete against March Madness with that.

Speaker 1 The Matt Madness, which is the national championship for wrestling, electric it's incredible happened upon it one time when there was shitty games for march madness and i'm just kind of changing the channel and it's like matt madness come check it out it's like gladiators coming in there and it is cool and penn state dominated the whole every way class penn state won it all which i think is a piece of the pack craft specialty right like we want to win everything is kind of talking everything i mean like you you mentioned it yesterday i know basketball is not there yet but they're on their way women's volleyball they're spending a lot of money on basketball women's volleyball they're back like they were awesome when I was there.

Speaker 1 It kind of took a dip, and they won it again this year. So

Speaker 1 everybody's going. They're spending a lot of money on their sports.
Yeah. And I think it's because the athletic director is working.
He's working. He's working his ass off to get it happened.

Speaker 1 And I'm not saying every athletic director can do that. Obviously, Penn State has a lot more alumni they can reach out to, but he is.
Oh, yeah. He's reaching out to all of them.
Every one of them.

Speaker 1 Speakeasy down there in the stadium. It's a pretty cool idea.
It is a great idea. Genius.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you give 10 million, you get an opportunity to go speakeasy down here. How about it? Get free parking.

Speaker 1 Worth it. Worth it.
10 million. Team's good.
Bring 15 of your friends in. Have some drinks.
What is the stadium? 700 million? Yeah. And that's not loans.
I mean, it looks like a Lego set right now.

Speaker 1 It's needed a facelift on the outside, and now they're getting it. But it's not loans.
That's not $700 million in loans. That's money that they just

Speaker 1 getting cash.

Speaker 1 Who are all these people?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 obviously, Pagula is the biggest. That's Buffaloville's.
That's Buffalo Sabers.

Speaker 1 I just saw, there's a Skylar, which I think the Honors College at Penn State's named after him, C-S-C-H-U-Y-R-Y-L-E-R.

Speaker 1 They just donated like a 10-mil gift. Oh, so you get the Speakeasy access.
Smart.

Speaker 1 That's good. They don't know.
Get a chance to get in. And Skylar knows I won't get in a Speakeasy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Connor.

Speaker 1 Good for Pat Craft. Dog.
Football guy. Penn State one of the top AD jobs, I assume, in the country? You would have to imagine, right? I mean, they've been good in a ton of sports.
They're in every,

Speaker 1 I mean, every single sport they're they got a chance to win it

Speaker 1 yeah basketball team was a bit of a letdown this season they spent a lot of money on that team too i think three and seven in the big ten they've kind of been shy because remember we were walking we the meetings were in the basketball arena and as we were walking around shaking hands they're like yeah investing big in basketball There was high hopes.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think they started off 12 and 2 when they did start off. They're coming off being good, too.

Speaker 3 Like, they were good. And then their coach went to Notre Dame.
So they kind of had to, like, you know, figure things out again.

Speaker 3 So I would assume in a couple years, like, is that the light-skinned dude that went over to Notre Dame?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Micah Shrewsberry. He was cool.
He came and talked to us whenever we were up at Notre Dame. Yeah.
I remember he was, how's Notre Dame's basketball team?

Speaker 3 They stink, I believe.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 But they played at the ACC, too, which is a, you know, very tough conference.

Speaker 1 Got it. Who ACC still the best basketball conference?

Speaker 3 Duke's unbelievable this year.

Speaker 4 SEC is very good.

Speaker 1 I saw Pitt beat North Carolina last night.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was a big win for them.

Speaker 1 Big game?

Speaker 4 Kentucky beat Tennessee as a 10.5-point favorite last night as well. Tennessee's only lost four games all year.

Speaker 1 How is college hoops this year?

Speaker 4 It's been pretty good. It's starting to heat up.
The SEC, like, old miss, is good. There's some other teams that are really good.

Speaker 1 Chris Beard.

Speaker 4 Yeah, their goal.

Speaker 1 Who would have thought Beard would have his team rolling over?

Speaker 4 Alabama's good again.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. How's Arkansas?

Speaker 4 Arkansas, people aren't loving Cal that much, but Arkansas is all right.

Speaker 1 What do you mean they're not loving Cal?

Speaker 2 Where the hell is Yukon?

Speaker 4 Yukon's lost five.

Speaker 1 They've fallen off a cliff. Yeah, and people are starting to kill Hurley.
Yeah, I heard because he said I'm the best coach in America.

Speaker 2 Turn it over.

Speaker 3 And he's just going ape shit at refs like every single night.

Speaker 1 And then he says, I'm not changing. Yeah, I blocked out.

Speaker 3 I don't remember saying that. That's what he said after he said, I'm the best fucking coach in the sport.
Don't turn your back on me.

Speaker 1 That was in a press conference? Yeah, I said. Yeah, because

Speaker 1 I think he did a podcast or something afterwards. And he said, I don't think we should be trying to soften sports.

Speaker 1 Are you going to change the way?

Speaker 1 No. No.
It's my coach. I am who I am.
It's basically what he said.

Speaker 1 I love it. It's my coach.
I love everything about it. Anybody that is not scared to be themselves is, I'm a fan, which is why we hope that Goober down there in Jacksville has success.
Amen.

Speaker 1 If that's who he is all the time, we're pulling for him.

Speaker 1 Are you out on him to AQ?

Speaker 1 I think I'm out.

Speaker 1 He doesn't even have an offensive line coaching. You could get a job in his life.
Give him a chance.

Speaker 1 I've heard some things. I don't like it.

Speaker 1 Jeez. I know you made your opinions known earlier in the hour.
I saw a couple of Jacksonville people say it's a tired narrative. The people in Tampa aren't even mad at him anymore.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. I think so.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But hey, time heals all wounds, just like Liam said to Rick Stratt in that interview.

Speaker 3 Honesty is the best policy. Boom.

Speaker 1 He said that to the local.

Speaker 1 What was that one?

Speaker 3 He was wearing... Yeah, massive microphone.

Speaker 1 Was he doing a European? Was that a European interview? Yeah, it was a European soccer hit, I believe. Could have been, yeah.
Sky Sports. Yeah, what's Jacksonville? You never know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because they own also

Speaker 1 Arsenal over there.

Speaker 3 That's the only way that he can really, at least for me, be like, this is a guy. If he shows up one of these nights and fucking chokes Liam's Chris Jericho, like through a table.

Speaker 1 And AEW? Yeah. And I'll be like, okay.
Okay, never mind. Maybe Liam's a guy? Yeah, maybe this guy's a guy.

Speaker 1 Urban gave a computer to Chris Jericho? He did. Keyboard.
Keyboard. Keyboard to utilize.
It didn't end up working out, but... Should have given him the computer.
Yeah, he should have.

Speaker 1 What soccer team do they own down there, Gumpsch?

Speaker 4 Good question. I forget.

Speaker 1 Ajax? No. They own some soccer team.
Tampa's Man United, right? No, I'm talking about James United.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tampa's Man United. Is that right? Maybe.
Fulham. I think so.
Yeah. Is it Fulham? Fulham.

Speaker 4 They're actually Fulham's having a very good season, better than they were supposed to this year.

Speaker 1 Well, that's where Tony's been spending all his time. His chief football strategist.
He's spending all his time with Fulham. He's talking that football.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chief American football strategist. They need to call him the Calves.
Right. Said just a sff.

Speaker 1 All right, AQ, let's win something. Here we go.

Speaker 1 AJ, anything positive to say other than a condescending shot about them taking a defense coordinator to Penn State?

Speaker 9 I was not condescending. I was truly congratulating him.
But no, AQ does look jacked. He looks like he could do 46 reps at 225 right now.

Speaker 1 Could you do more or less 225 than Tim Tebow? Oh, man. What did Tim Tebow do? He said he could do 30 to 35.

Speaker 1 I did 33 at the combine, so.

Speaker 1 Could you do more now or no?

Speaker 1 Probably less now.

Speaker 1 Tim can do do 35 right now he said 30 is the only

Speaker 1 40 maybe 40 yeah I think he's actually doing them he's like that's that's his training programs 225

Speaker 1 max weights he's doing mat he's trying to lift the most amount of weight possible what did he tell you aj why are we lifting if we're not trying to lift the most amount of weight oh yeah he got like offended when i mentioned something about high reps high rep who's doing reps i'm lifting heavier heaviest thing i can lift yeah he's gonna come in here and do a 225 test actually see if we can get over 30 i believe geez

Speaker 1 you got those little baby arms, though. Yeah,

Speaker 1 still got to get it. You do.
Still got to get it off the chest, and you still got to lock it out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but your little baby arms help whenever you got a big barrel chest, you got the little arms. You only got to move it, what, four inches or something.

Speaker 1 What do you think the hardest part of a bench press is? Moving its first four inches right off the chest. What do you think the hardest part of a squad is?

Speaker 1 Getting off the ground. Bingo.

Speaker 4 Maybe we have a bench off.

Speaker 1 You and Tim Tebow. Yep, there it is.
Let's do it. Why don't you prepare for that? Why don't you get like a month of preparation for that? Done.
Okay. You set it up.
I'm there. It'll be here.

Speaker 1 Jage might come in.

Speaker 1 Does Jage do any 225? No.

Speaker 1 I'm sure he can do a bunch.

Speaker 1 How many weights you got?

Speaker 3 225.

Speaker 1 Jage, he's got those long-ass arms.

Speaker 1 That is not a...

Speaker 9 He can still do 30-plus.

Speaker 1 I like that AQ. She's like, okay, we're acting like that's the hard part.
Hey,

Speaker 1 you still move 225 a bunch? We're live.

Speaker 6 I can.

Speaker 1 How many, like 30?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I'd probably hit about 30 right now.

Speaker 1 All right, we're gonna have a 225 bench contest between you, AQ, and Tim Tebow, okay?

Speaker 1 When? All right, you got like a month and a half, six weeks.

Speaker 1 All right, okay, all right, sweet. Thank you, Judge.
We appreciate you. All right, of course he can.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's gotta beat him, AQ.

Speaker 2 Yeah, AQ.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 training starts tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and a photo of him on your wall. You lose to JJ and Tim Tebow.
Oh, buddy, that'd be a tough day. Tough day.
Tough day. Tim Tebow's been preparing since we mentioned it to him the other day.

Speaker 1 I bet you he's just

Speaker 1 since he's been out of the league. He's so fucking gigantic.

Speaker 1 All right. Here we go.
That's a different day, though.

Speaker 1 Today, it's all about putting that football, the baby Duke 2.0, which is available now at store.patmafrishow.com, into that hoop right over there. If you're able to do it, 30 people will win $500, AQ.

Speaker 1 Do it for the people. Do it for yourself.
Do it for Penn State. Do it for the good of the world.
Bald Head, big dreams.

Speaker 1 Overshoots it. He's all jacked up thinking about the 225.
Ty Schmidt actually has a message for you as you attempt to win 30 people, $500.

Speaker 3 Yeah, dude, you got to make this because otherwise, JJ is probably going to text you later and he's going to be like, hey, not only do you not know shit about football and blitzes and stuff like that, but you also can't throw a fucking football into a hoop, which I could do.

Speaker 1 And now I'm going to beat your ass in the bench press competition. Jeez, that's a triple whammy.
You don't want that. AQ Shipley, 30 people, $500.

Speaker 1 All you can do is put that baby dude 2.0 into that hoop right over there.

Speaker 1 Hey, cushion for the, yeah.

Speaker 1 How'd that not go in?

Speaker 1 I don't know where that went. To be honest, I don't know where that went.
Did that go on near side or far side? Far side. Far side.
Far side. That was fucked up.
That was, hey, it's fucked up.

Speaker 1 That's fucked up.

Speaker 3 Look at the mark on the backboard.

Speaker 1 That's exactly where you're trying to throw the ball. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 sometimes that's the way life goes. Sometimes you do everything right

Speaker 1 and still ends up bad. That's why your next shot's your best shot.
That's why you can't stop getting into the batter's books. That's why you can't let one little thing drag down the next thing.

Speaker 1 That's why if you make that, 30 people, $500, all you got to do is put that baby dude 2.0 into that hoop right over there and 30 people's lives will be better because of AQ Shipley.

Speaker 3 Take a little juice off.

Speaker 1 Take a little juice off. You had a perfect throw.

Speaker 1 You let one loss lead to two.

Speaker 1 Boston Connor has a message for you to really bring your spirits into a place where you win 30 people $500.

Speaker 1 You You know, JJ mentioned a few things during his time. You know what he also mentioned? What's that? He doesn't have what you have.
That's Super Bowl, Rick.

Speaker 1 That's right. We didn't go to the moon, but you did win a Super Bowl.
That's right, Rick.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 We don't know if

Speaker 1 you want to say it. He said it.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Take us to the moon.

Speaker 1 Connor said he went down the rabbit hole. It didn't happen.
There's no chance, and we won't get into that.

Speaker 1 He don't believe it.

Speaker 3 Well, you fucking shit.

Speaker 1 He don't believe it. Why don't you go down a rabbit hole yourself i'm going down it tonight but right now i'm being influenced into making this here we go 30 people 500 he's got no shot in 2025

Speaker 9 he's got it

Speaker 1 aq shipley

Speaker 1 30 people $500 all you gotta do is repost this post say something nice to somebody and put the easiest way to pay you and you you could potentially be one of the 30 winners from our friend, AQ Shipley.

Speaker 1 All right, from all of us to all you, we can't thank you enough. We're back tomorrow with a great

Speaker 1 Thursday. Yeah, huge.
Yeah, tomorrow's a big time Thursday. Actually, it's going to be a huge Thursday tomorrow.
Yeah. Potentially.
We don't know if it's tomorrow or Friday. Okay.

Speaker 1 But there's a massive guest coming in the next two days. How big? Big.

Speaker 1 How hilarious? Real.

Speaker 1 How serious?

Speaker 1 Very much so. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice, it might change your life.
We're in this thing together. Team on me.
Hey, great work this year. Had a baby eight huge.
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 Voice seriously.

Speaker 1 It's the best time of my week. Hell yeah.
You two debut even though we're seeing you next week. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.
It might change your life. We're in this thing together.

Speaker 1 Team on me. Team on three.
One, two, three. Team.
Goodbye.

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