PMS 2.0 1272 - More NFL Firings, Dan Orlovsky, Mike Greenberg, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this big Tuesday, January 7th, 2025. This sports program starts now.
Football! It's wonderful, and obviously we're in the biggest time for football that there is. College football playoffs, semifinals are just a few days away.
Super wildcard weekend also on the other side of that. And if you want to look outside the football world,

some historic shit happened last night on

Netflix in the Intuit Dome that I was

lucky to be a part of. Monday Night Raw was

broadcasted to 80%

of planet Earth last night. I have no

idea how many people were watching, but I do know

it was quite an experience to be inside

of that lovely building over there.

I don't know how much Balmer spent on that thing. I don't know

what was reported, what was actual. I got to use

some of the toilets that he put in there,

and I got to experience the gladiator-like

Thank you. of that lovely building over there.
I don't know how much Balmer spent on that thing. I don't know what was reported, what was actual.
I got to use some of the toilets that he put in there, and I got to experience the gladiator-like feel with the way it was built, and obviously all the lights and the lasers and the show that that man put together. Mr.
H last night to kick off a Netflix era was nothing short of fucking sweet. It was an honor to be there.
Michael Cole was throwing his fastball.

Oh, yeah.

He was throwing his absolute fastball.

John Cena was there.

Our high chief, Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

Saumi.

Saumi.

A lot of... Man.

I tried my absolute best.

Cheechu was awesome, obviously.

Good response from the crowd.

Obviously, given his daughters here the People's Championship title, that Muhammad Ali's widow graced upon him during a WrestleMania run in the entire thing. It was a magical night.
The stars were out. There were so many people there.
Michael Che was there. Obviously, Dog from Saturday Night Live.
I love that man. Fluffy was there.
Michael Cole was excited about that. Topanga was there.
Obviously. Topanga was there.
That was wild. That was a crazy scene.
Seeing Boy Meets World right there to the left. I believe all the who's who of sports media was there.
The heads of Netflix were there. The heads of TKO Group were there.
There was a lot of money in that building last night. And it was an honor to be there.
Travis Scott, maybe my new favorite human honor just walking in there blowing some vitamins and sage around with fiend playing i i believe he created the new intro song for wwe travis got 10 time grammy nominated yeah i mean he is incredible obviously he's got the shoe game on absolute luck i told him yesterday i said hey in the thunderdome there's like 11 12 guys that work there we got about 45 pairs of travis cactus jacks okay so like we appreciate everything you do him with the hardcore championship last i think i think in his mind he did win that as he should have and they should just give it to him and say hey travis you are the hardcore champion obviously yeeting all over the place with this drone shot that they were doing all night was fantastic and uh it was an honor to be back in there man legitimately an absolute honor and what a start i have no idea what they do next week yeah yeah good question i have no tough to top i have no that from the rumblings that i'm hearing is there's going to be a press conference here in a matter of moments to address one of the situations uh that took place with a beer conversation yeah i'm getting a little insight in the ear here from the back room. We'll see how that goes.
Maybe we'll hear from Hulkster. The Toxic Table is here.
At Boston Conner, at Ty Schmidt. Big night for Monday Night Raw last day.
It was incredible. Right from the start, too.
I mean, are you kidding me? Roman Reigns, solo Sokoa, off the top of the show to start it. I was pumped about it.
Some of the marks in the office weren't. But then Cena back what a promo from him i mean basically it was non-stop entertainment and no problems at all from netflix like it looked fantastic there was no connection issues anything like that it was awesome what do you know i was gonna say like the quality like it it looked unbelievable right just like the cameras christmas games just like like the Christmas games on Netflix.
It's like, damn, this is a

clear picture.

Because the Paul Tyson fight, Mike

Tyson's name is going to

ring all around the world.

And I'm not saying that that doesn't

happen with WWE. And Triple H

obviously booked that thing for the entire

world because the entire world is

watching. So you saw some big names, massive

names in the past. Undertaker makes an appearance.
He loves the Texasxas longhorns buddy love he loves texas longhorns why are you doing that to the longhorns he says to me that's the first thing i said what are you talking about are you talking about uh just for whatever reason this thing just goes up here and then it just has to oh it has to do one of those he goes stop doing that i need you to stop doing that and then his she goes, every time you do that, he goes, well, come on, Pat. Like he, Tank was a little bit upset about the whole, me picking against Texas.
He's not the only one. I picked against Penn State all year.
I picked against Notre Dame all year. I picked against Texas all year.
I picked against Ohio State a couple of different times. And they're obviously the four teams that remain.
And I think the Texas football team needs to know, they got a dead man, an American badass, that is willing to throw haymakers for their team as they go forward. This was awesome.
He stops right here, actually. I don't know if they show it.
And he, yep, hand up to this guy. Then he looks at me with the hookup right there.
That was what he just did right there. Hookup.
And I have been told that maybe he hadn't been on that bike in a little bit. Really? Yeah, maybe he hadn't been on the bike in a little bit.
That particular bike. And it was a tight tunnel on the way in and the way out.
Obviously, the dead man's going to perform. He was on the first ever Monday Night Raw that was broadcasted on TV 32 years ago.
And obviously, he's on the first Raw that was being streamed globally on Netflix. Him, Bruce Prichard, who's obviously still a massive force in the WWE big old brain in the world and Shawn Michaels were the three guys are still with the company they were with it then and obviously he was celebrating that all day Triple H Nick Khan they should be incredibly proud of themselves what a night and uh next Monday's in San Jose can't wait to see what you do good luck yeah good luck I didn't know anything was happening I had no idea Travis Scott was coming out had no clue that was happening and then obviously the whole situation that happens on top of the commentators.
I'm like, this is awesome. I had no idea Travis Scott was coming out.
Had no clue that was happening.

And then obviously the whole situation that happens on top of the commentators.

I'm like, this is awesome.

I'm in the middle of this thing.

This is awesome.

Cole got up there.

Yeah, Michael Cole was up there dancing right on beat.

Yeah, he really nailed it.

Nine-year NFL vet there.

Did you expect that out of Cole to be there?

I expected that.

I would expect nothing less out of Cole.

He decided that you were back.

Hey, come on.

Get up here, Pat.

He was out of breath.

He did.

He forced me up on the desk. I didn't want to do it because I'd stop doing that because I thought it was a little bit too much.
Yeah, I was doing a little bit too much. His life alert.
Yeah. His Apple Watch.
It works. It's like, hey, slow down, bud.
They thought he died because he was eating so hard. Legit.
It happened multiple times throughout the show. This was the first time that happened.
I think his heart rate just remained up because then later, I think it was CM Punk's Seth Rollins. He was in the middle of calling something, and his watch is going off again like, you're going to die.
I'm like, yo, you need to potentially get that checked. The dap up, the up-back clean, and then that one.
That's the one. I nailed it.
That's the one. And remember, Michael Cole wanted me to make sure I told everybody, let's go to one half of the hammer.
Dad. Cowboys, Bubba Gampino in the back.
What did he say? He's a rap icon? Is that what Michael Cole said? Yeah, he kept referencing the Sugar Hill Gang. He was big with the Sugar Hill Gang.
That was who he said 25 times in a row. Make sure everybody knows I'm big with the rap game, I think he said.
Yeah, he said I'm beloved by the rap community, is what Michael Cole said. He said I'm big in the rap world.
I'm a rap icon, they say, Michael Cole. His arm looked like the inflatable, wavy arm guy.
Yeah, that's like kind of his thing. And then him following through like this one here, I told him, I said, that looked very natural.
Look like you've done that a lot of times. He goes, I'm a member of the community of a rap culture icon.
He literally, and then he would pull up tweets. This is after the show.
We're hanging out, waiting for our cars to come pick us up because they're stuck in LA traffic. Don't even want to get into it.
We're almost locked into Los Angeles for 15 hours because they shut down the airport. Crazy.
Stuff. Biden was taking the tractor another round.
So they shut down. Hunter? Was he hanging out? I don't know if Hunter was there.
I believe this is Mr. President.
Oh, okay. Big guy.
Joe. Joe Biden.
The big guy. I believe is what I was told.
Big Joe. 840 local.
I get a text message. Hey, you need to get the plane by like 915 or you're not going to be able to get out of here until 1 p.m.
tomorrow. 15 hour lockdown.
I said, excuse me, the car is in.

I don't even know.

Our car is stuck in traffic.

Not even able to get into it.

There were 17,000 people there last night.

17,000 people packed in that place.

It was magnetic.

But L.A., obviously, 17,000 people in one place.

It's going to be tough to kind of get that whole thing.

They're like, you need to get over there right now.

They're shutting the whole place down.

I'm like, what do you mean they're shutting the whole place down?

Shutting down the airspace, shutting down the ground,

because there is a massive VIP government official coming.

So then I'm like, can you get a heads up?

I got 40 minutes to get to a place that's 20 minutes away.

My car's not even here.

So obviously 930 was the time that we were supposed to get to the airport.

We get in the car finally at the Intuitum at 934.

So that ship has sailed.

I thought I was going to be there.

I thought I was going to get home at 8 p.m. tonight.

I thought I was going to be able to take off.

Thank you. We get in the car finally at the Intuitum at 934.
So that ship has sailed. I thought I was going to be there.
I thought I was going to get home at 8 p.m. tonight.
I thought I wasn't going to be able to take off until 4 p.m. because it shut it down.
Shout out to Karen, plane lady. Made some calls.
Wheel deal. I don't know how much I paid.
I'm assuming it's going to be a pretty hefty fee. But we got on that plane, and we just waited for a time.
And then shout out to the air traffic control over there, too, just kind of letting us out, you know, over that entire that entire thing but yeah I was almost trapped in Los Angeles for 15 hours because they shut down the air I didn't know that that just happens I guess oh yeah makes sense supposed to happen today they just moved it up to the last night and like yeah hey this is how this goes sorry about it you're you won't go see your daughter I don't care no I like that Cole kept offering to catch the 1 a.m. flight to Houston with him.
Yeah, that was his big thing. So we're having a couple cocktails afterwards waiting for these cars to get in to pick us up.
And I'm like, I think I'm stuck here. And he just keeps pulling up tweets saying that he's an icon in the rap community.
Look, look, look. That's what he's doing.
See? Look at me. Look at me.
And then he saw the high five. He was like, nailed it.
Like Cole was really proud of himself. He had a great night.
I'm like, I think I'm stuck here. He goes, why don't you go? We'll go to a Renaissance with steak.
Okay, we'll have a couple of whiskeys. And then he hop on my plane to Houston.
Then he can get a plane from Houston to Indianapolis. I said, why the fuck would I do that? Cole, he goes, you want to be stuck here? I'm like, so I'm stuck in Houston then? What is kind of the whole story here? He goes, I just want to hang out with you, man.
Okay, if you don't want to do that, that's fine. All right, all right, all right.
right well it's great to see you call we got out of there it was an awesome night legendary night and i am getting a heads up that one of the stars of last night's show is actually doing a live press conference let's uh let's head over that right now i believe hulk hogan is doing a live press conference to address everything that happened last. Hello and welcome to this press conference that I've called the day after arguably the greatest day in my professional career.
Last night, tens and tens and tens and tens and tens of millions of people watched the Hulkster bring the house down on WWE Raw to usher in the Netflix era in the Intuit Dome. It's the greatest night of my life.
With that, I'd like to open it up to a couple questions. Hi, Mr.
Hulkster. This is Peter Penz from the Mark Times.
Yeah, I can tell tell you look like a Mark, son. Thank you.

I appreciate that, I guess.

Booing was actually trending on X last night.

I wasn't sure if you had any comments about the almost opening that you received when you were out on the stage, sir.

Thank you.

Well, yeah, if you think those were boos, I can tell you're a fucking Mark.

Okay?

I've been doing this a long time, kid. And you get used to the Hulk Hogan.
Now, I will admit, I heard a couple boos smattered across the crowd and I'll be honest, I had no idea the people in LA hated Jimmy Hart the way they did. They took one look at him with his stringy hair,

stupid sunglasses, and the way

he was half-assed waving that flag

around, and I should have expected it.

Those liberal marks

out there can't stand

a MAGA champion

like the Hulkster. But again,

they weren't booing the Hulkster.

They were booing Jimmy Hart. Everybody loves the Hulkster.
But again, they weren't booing the Hulkster. They were booing Jimmy Hart.

Everybody loves the Hulkster, dude.

The next question, what are we doing here?

Mr. Hulkster, Bill Markington, South African Times.

Who lets this guy in?

Get him out.

Get him out.

I want questions from real Americans, brother. Hulkster, Bill Bazaranth, top turnbuckle.
Good publication. Do you think anyone booing last night has ever tried a real American beer and after they try a real American beer would ever boo again.
Listen, I don't want someone trying a real American beer who's going to boo. I just mentioned it.
I'll mention it again. Those goddamn liberals out there, they can have their Bud Light.
Those aren't real Americans. Those aren't my real Americans, dude.
The only Americans I want drinking real American beer are real Americans. The Bible Belt, the Midwest, anywhere where people don't bow down to Joe Biden.
And they certainly do out there, brother. Mr.
Hoekster, Dexter Bennett from the Daily Gimmick.

While trying to listen to you through the booze,

I heard you talk about a 40-year run and how long you've been.

John Cena, been on his last run.

Any thoughts on you maybe going on last run?

Who would you like to go up against if you were to do that?

Yeah, sure.

I got a couple thoughts.

The Hoekster would love to run through just a who's who of the WWE roster.

Give me Kofi Kingston.

Give me Xavier Woods.

Hell, give me Trick Williams.

You can bring his ass up from NXT.

Trick?

Maybe some of the old guys, dude.

Godfather, see ya.

Wait, there seems to be a... Stop it.
I'm not done yet.

Farouk. I'll get in the ring with his ass too Ahmad Plummer You want some? I'm not scared of the Pearl River plunge Any one of you guys Can take a seat Is that the end of your list? Oh I could go on and on brother But I'm gonna end going to end it.
At Mania. With the high chief.
Stewie, ooie, lala, two, y'all. I want you, Dewey.
I want you, Dwayne. In Vegas.
At Mania. Two nights.
Hell, I'll beat your ass back to back. It'll be the biggest WrestleMania ever, dude.

Does that answer your questions from the Mark Times or wherever the fuck you write for? Thank you. Thank you.
Yeah. I'm out of here.
I'm going to go drink some real American beer. If you're one of those jackasses who was booing Jimmy Hart last night, fuck you.
You don't deserve real American beer. I'm gonna go find some real Americans who love that genuine, refreshing Pilsner, dude.
Alright. Wow.
Alright, so that's how it was. Feels like Hulkster understands what happened last night.
I don't know if the journalists understood if it was booed or booing was trending number 12 last night. But when I looked at it after the show, it had 18,000 posts on booed for the Hulkster.
But I'm happy he clarified it because he was there. We weren't in his position.
It was booing towards Jimmy Hart is what he said, which makes a lot of sense now that I kind of think about it. But in there, there was a chance it was Hulk.
I never really thought about that as well. Ty, he got a little unhinged in there a couple different times.
Is he okay, you think? I'm assuming the Hulkster's just jacked up. I mean, he mentioned it last night.
And this is a guy who's done everything there is to do in the wrestling business. But last night, arguably the biggest night of his life.
He's obviously launching his beer beer, which is delicious. I can only assume I've never actually tried it.
I would love to. But you will.
I absolutely will. But I mean, I get it.
You get out there and people are throwing shots at you saying, Jesus, has Hulk lost his fastball? No. The Hulkster has not lost his fastball.
And that makes more sense. I'm glad he cleared that up.
That's what it had to have been. They were booing Jimmy Hart.
They weren't booing the Hulkster. There's Hulkamaniacs everywhere.
Well, he obviously knew that there was a narrative getting built quickly, which is why he had this emergency press conference, I assume. Hopefully, we'll get a chance to get Hulk Hogan on the show, not only just via a press conference.
But the list of guys that he said he would take on seemed, and that was a good follow-up question by the journalist from the Daily Gimmick, I believe, was the name. It seemed to be a little bit of a trend there.
A little bit. Yeah, a little bit of a trend.
I'm excited to see the Ahmed Johnson match. Yeah, I don't think.
Oh, is that who? I don't think he said Ahmed Johnson. He said Ahmed Blubber.
I'm pretty sure that's not his name. Yeah, but Hulkster was more.
Are we sure that was the Hulkster? What do you mean? Right there? Yeah, are we sure? I think so. Yeah.
Looked like him. What do you mean? I just wasn't sure.
He sounded like him. You know, looked like him.
He's a mustache. AI, you got to make sure these days.
Well, and I guess we didn't. You're right.
I mean, I didn't think about that not being Hulk Hogan. Yeah.
Wow. That was Holster.
Did we hear his music? Because I am a real American. Fight for the right of every man.
When that played last night. Oh, pop the pop.
Jimmy, I was looking straight down. So I'm looking right across the ring right down the tunnel right before the arena sees because there's a little bit of an extender there the way they had that set up was sick because the wall was right behind it and i think the shot of uh high chief turning around and then that wall of people behind him with his i mean it was so sick and then cm punk did the turnaround and look at that camera that was there and then they zoomed out there was just people everywhere but there was a time where they're walking through that tunnel where nobody in the arena sees it and Jimmy Hart was swinging as soon as he got in that tunnel I'm watching and I just see this flag coming I'm like here we go and then as soon as they get seen by that place big hulk hoogan they even had to capture on netflix for it is what it said it's great nonetheless magical night real american beer i can't wait to try it i literally can't wait to try it the fact that it got a partnership with the wwe is crazy it's first time wwe has obviously ever had a partnership with a beer.
I cannot wait to see how that all goes. Everything on WWE is up and up.
I cannot wait to be a part of it going forward. Now, speaking of going forward, Tennessee Titans are going to have to find a new general manager.
This morning, the latest firing in the NFL firing cycle here is Rand Carthon, general manager of the Tennessee Titans. If you do recall, his reign started with him walking into the Tennessee Titans building, and everybody that works for the Tennessee Titans is coming out and giving him a standing ovation.
Remember he and Mike Frable a couple years ago. Then he fell out of favor with Mike Frable, and then Mike Frable got fired.
We signed with Rand Carthon. Rand Carthon brought in Callahan, brought in Will Levis.
Now all of a sudden they're siding with Callahan. Callahan will stick around.
Rand Carthon's getting fired. And this is from Jake and Ball, who I would assume is a— Oops, sorry, I get choked up about this because the AFC South is in such a disarray.
I assume he is a Tennessee Titan fan. 2022, the Tennessee Titans sided with Mike Vrabel, and they fired John Robinson, who traded A.J.
Brown away on draft night, if you all remember that. 2023, they forced the marriage of Rand Carthon and Mike Vrabel.
Hey, we're going to side with Mike Vrabel. we're John Robinson who traded AJ Brown away on draft night if you all remember that.
2023 they forced the marriage of Ryan Carthon and Mike Vrabel. Hey we're going to side with Mike Vrabel we're not going to take any of your input on who the general manager is going to be.
This is going to be the guy you're going to like it or not. Then they side with Ryan Carthon they fire Mike Vrabel who's now being talked about for every head coaching job obviously after consulting with the Browns.
Then they let Ryan Carthon pick Brian Callahan this is going to be my guy. Callahan brings in his dad.
Obviously they're going to turn it it all around now. In 2025, they signed with Brian Callahan.
They're fine. Ryan Carthon is just kind of one of these.
You know, just kind of one of these down there. And somehow, after looking at this, I don't think anybody would say that they're in the worst position in the AFC South at this exact time.
I think. What? No way.
I don't think so. I genuinely don't think so.
Jacksonville just fired. Boom.
Let's go down to Jacksonville now jacksonville shod khan was doing a press conference via zoom with balky who's been the general manager through multiple different eras down there in jackson well if you do remember bulky uh the fans dressed like clowns going into the stadium to say this is clinton the way balky is running this entire thing balky has remained the general general manager for the Jacksonville Jaguars through a lot of different coaching cycles.

Continuing right now, here's Shad Khan talking about the future

of the next head coach in their wants with Baalke or without Baalke?

I'd actually like to go back to John's first question, Shad.

Back to you.

I know you noted that if this head coaching candidate was to say,

hey, I think the medical needs to be re-evaluated, the health and wellness,

if they were to say, I would like to re-evaluate the front office

Thank you. that if this head coaching candidate was to say, hey, I think the medical needs to be reevaluated, the health and wellness, if they were to say, I would like to reevaluate the front office and the general manager, what would your response be? My response would be, how would you improve it? And then if it is credible, you know, I mean, you want to do it.
Yeah, this guy right here, they come in and say he got a better idea, and this guy, shit. Ears are wide open, brother.
Balky's just got to sit there and, hey, it's just you and me on a Zoom right now. It's kind of an uncomfortable situation.
But what I think I heard from Shad there is we keep Balky around because he's a football guy in building. But if somebody comes in here and presents a better idea, who's going to be reporting directly to ShotKhan? Remember, that is the change now.
Coach is not directly reporting to Bauke. Both are directly reporting to ShotKhan.
So if somebody comes in here with a good idea, sure, I'll kick this guy right off the Zoom. I've been hearing what everybody's been saying.
How's this guy around? And my son, Tony, is chief football strategist. He still has a job, too.
Obviously, we get rid of Doug Peterson. He might be happy about that if you go back to a couple of the press conferences.
But when you think about the AFC South with this situation, with what's going on in Tennessee Titans, obviously whenever they fire Vrabel, we all go, what, what, what? Now they're firing a GM, keeping the coach. It's just another, how's the culture going to get set? And then Indianapolis obviously hanging on to GM and head coach eight years into this thing and it's not working.
You got to think if you're the Houston Texans, you're sitting very pretty, D. Bush.
Oh yeah. I mean, obviously they're in the playoffs, hosting a playoff game.
And, you know, T.J. Stroud didn't play up to the level that he played last year but yeah you're sitting you're sitting very pretty D-Bush oh yeah I mean obviously they're in the playoffs hosting a playoff game and uh you know T.J.
Stroud didn't play up to the level that he played last year but yeah you're sitting you're sitting pretty right now if you're a Houston Texan or if you're a Houston Texan fan now the rest of the division it's an absolute shite show right and we kept we kept the the GM and the head coach here fans aren't happy about that at all obviously we see what's going on in Jacksonville. Him in that moment, in that situation, being on the Zoom with Trent Balke right there, that's very, very awkward.
But I am kind of, I respect the fact that, okay, if you've got a plan, you've got an open plan. I'm open to hear it.
What does Aaron say? Open to everything connected. Attached to nothing.
Open to anything. Attached to nothing.
Yeah, so obviously, you know,eed khan is on that same page so uh yeah that was i also saw that i was breaking it yeah me zoom name was yeah we've been calling the wrong name but she said i had to pronounce a couple the eyes silence kindnesses high chiefs oh yeah the eye silent man that's tough i love the oozes i absolutely love i try to pay as much respect as possible anytime i'm announcing any name but if that thing's getting put right in

front of me just with one day notice that's gonna be tough for me to get i do apologize

like nico iamaliava pay respects you know to a tongue of aloha pay respects you know all try my

best to get it right last night there was a couple mean, I had to write down the notes. You too, good sir.
Fair enough. Do you know that The Rock became the high chief, Sauli? Mm-hmm.
Because it was bestowed upon him by His Highness High Chief, Maleatoa Tuna Maffili II. I know now.
Jesus. Nailed it.
It's a good name. I didn't last night on the show.
As was coming out of my mouth. Goddamn it.
That's not right. I just disrespected the entire island of Samoa.
That's tough. And he's the highest of high.
So I do apologize for that. Shahid Khan, though, did say I'm open to anything here.
This guy's currently here. Could be gone.
This guy could be gone. I respect that.
I appreciate that. I respect that.
Obviously it's very very awkward but when you look at what Balky's done he's signed. He's definitely signed some good players.
Obviously this draft class with Brian Thomas Jr. He's been great taking Walker 1 overall.
You sign your quarterback. A lot of these GMs and head coaches it's about hitting on the quarterback.
That's the situation that's going on with Carthon out in Tennessee. That's why he was fired.
He tied his hitch to Will Levis. Obviously, that has not worked out, so now you're going to get a new guy in there.
You got the top pick. You got quarterbacks here.
So you have to hit on that quarterback. Jacksonville, they have a quarterback that they paid the second contract to.
They have some other pieces. Now you look at that contract.
He's good, right? You look at that player, and now he's kind of like how we saw, let's say, probably Derek Carr, like Kirk Cousins a few years ago.

That would be the barometer of what an average quarterback is

and what we're seeing right now, in my opinion.

Average quarterback getting paid huge sums of money,

which is just kind of the nature of the business.

But I would say he's not bad.

He's not good.

He's average, but he has the tools and the talent to be a good quarterback.

We talk about Trevor Long.

I wonder what coach is going to go down there. Legitimately, I wonder what coach is going to go down there.
Let's go one half of the hammer. Cowboys, AP tone.
Who's being linked to the Jacksonville Jaguars? I haven't heard anybody yet. I know that the Bears are bringing the entire, if you've coached or even thought about coaching, the Bears are bringing you in.
So are the Jets. I haven't heard anyone requesting interviews yet.
Kellen Moore, Todd Munkin, Joe Brady, Liam conan ben johnson aaron glenn patrick graham bob sala so basically all the names in the carousel are kind of getting interviewed by everybody i think uh the detroit lions zoom interviews for aaron glenn and ben johnson are happening yeah i believe this weekend thursday through sunday or something like that and then the in-person visits isn't until after the division around the The NFL wanted to make sure that was the case. So good luck to all these people getting the job.
Joining us now is a man who has a job of being on television 24-7 during the football season. Text me from his wife's phone this morning.
Interesting. A little odd.
It was. It was very weird.
But he got his phone back. This guy loves eating adversity for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
He'll even create adversity for himself. He'll say, hey, how do I stir up some shit for myself? Let me grab a microphone.
Let me say something. And he does that every day, doesn't he? Oh, yeah.
But he'll step right back into the batter's box. I respect it.
And that's why we love him. Ladies and gentlemen, the face of ESPN, Dan Orlovsky.
Yeah. What's up? How are you, buddy? Good to see you got your phone back.
I'm happy for you. An adult figured that whole thing out.
Long, long 24 hours. Part of it was nice not having a phone and constantly being attached to it.
And part of it was like, hey, at some point I need this thing to work. So I prefer you not to FaceTime my wife anymore, though.
Okay yeah that was an interesting situation when uh i'm facetiming with a number i do not have saved in my phone by the way i got a text from a number i do not have saved in my phone saying this is my wife's phone if you need anything text this number and i'm like who you know who is what happened was like yesterday my phone stopped working at like yesterday one or two o'clock. But I would randomly occasionally get a text message would show up on my Apple Watch, this whole thing.
But the Apple Watch also wouldn't work. So I saw that you had texted along with some other people.
And I'm like, all right, Pat, some people I chose not to respond to just because I don't need to really get back to you right now. You were one of the people that I was like, I should probably get back to him.

Man, I feel good about that.

Thank you for that.

And you did have an excuse not to answer anybody.

That's what I like whenever my phone just shits the bed.

It's like, sorry, what do you want from me?

So I appreciate you getting back and finding any means necessary.

Did the phone company tell you that the phone decided to quit because it was a part of so many bad takes? Is that something? It certainly hit me with the you need a new phone thing. But I don't think they said the latter part.
I think you made that one up. I did.
No, no, no. No.
What take do you disagree with or don't like? I saw what you did to Shannon Sharp about Sterling Sharp. That had to feel pretty good.
That had to feel pretty good. Yeah, but I didn't know Shannon was going to say that.
I had gathered that information for myself to use, and I had absolutely no idea that Shannon was going to make that comment. And so right when he first started talking, I was like, oh, my gosh.
Because i had gotten that stat from hembo two hours before i had texted hembo has there ever been a triple crown receiver not make the playoffs and he responded back with sterling sharp 1992 so i was like all right great i'm gonna use that at some point today and then when he started first first started talking i was like oh my gosh he just opened the door for it so yeah yeah especially whenever you're getting dunked on all the time it's nice to windmill one back yeah you know so way to go dano i don't feel like i get dunked on all the time though so of course not and we'll just keep the phone off you never know uh you know like bill burr said something about you know if you don't open any apps do you know if you you're canceled? And then you just kind of go about your life.

Did I get dunked on yesterday?

I assumed it.

I mean.

No, I think yesterday you actually won the day.

Yeah, the last couple of days have been elsewhere.

Yeah, you're actually on a little bit of a streak right now.

Yesterday, potentially today, maybe tomorrow.

You know, maybe today's from now.

Maybe today's from now. You know, in this entire thing.
We're just talking about the AFC South being in complete disarray. Rand Carthon got fired this morning from the Tennessee Titans, but they keep Callahan.
Jacksonville Jaguars, just learning that, okay, sweet. Jacksonville Jaguars fired Doug Peterson.
They keep Trent Baalke, but then Shahid Khan on a Zoom call says, I'll get fucking rid of this guy if I have to. Hey, if you have a better idea than me, I'll get rid of this guy.
Then you talk about the Indianapolis Colts. Obviously, we're keeping Shane.
We're keeping Chris Ballard. We're going to continue to do this thing.
I have the utmost faith in this crew, says Jim Irsay. So, all right, let's hope they can put the pace back into the tube.
How do you feel about all those situations? And if you're the Houston Texans, do you understand that now is the time? Like we can really go on maybe even like a five to ten year run here and keep going

all in like Casario has done?

Or what are your thoughts on what's happening in the AFC South?

Yeah, if you're Houston, you think massive advantage.

And all Houston really has to do is really try to attack the offensive line in the off

season to get them to play a little bit better. And I do think Bobby Slowick needs to just continue to evolve as a play caller.
Last year, so much success. I had talked all offseason like it was a little bit of a mirage because CJ was so remarkable on third down that it kind of band-aided a lot of the other stuff.
And that hasn't been the case this year. Obviously, the two injuries to the wide receivers, big deal.
So they go into the playoffs with a little bit of banged up when it comes to how well they're capable of playing and maybe lower expectations than they had in September. But they still have organizational alignment.
You still sit there and say ownership, general manager, front office people, and their head coach are aligned, at least it seems like it, and they're still super young and talented. Indy's got question marks of Anthony.
Is Anthony going to develop? Are they going to bring in something to kind of compete with Anthony? You know, Jacksonville's restarting again. Tennessee restarting.
Is the new general manager going to keep Brian Callahan? Is Brian Callahan being, is he like mandated by ownership that he's staying there? So I think there's a lot of moving parts with all those other organizations. And if you're Houston, you're like, hey, we've got to make sure that we keep the quarterback upright and clean.
If we do that, we should run this division for the next five years. Slow skid and head coaching interviews, we assume, and continue to do so depending upon how many more jobs open up, if any more jobs open up.

Everybody's interviewing everybody,

but there is a name that has been on television that we all love.

Got a great set of teeth and a lot of moxie.

Let's go over to New York.

Connor has a question for you.

Yeah, Dan, obviously the Jets are in a bit of a predicament

and this season didn't go how they thought it was.

And then Rex Ryan was on a radio show.

Not sure if you heard it, but we do have the clip here.

Fox, you can run that. You think you're going to get this job, right? You think you're going to be the next head coach of the Jets? Oh, 100%.
Absolutely, I do. And the reason I think I'm going to get it is because I'm the best guy.
And it ain't close. The thing that you have to do, you have to connect with a football team.
You have to connect with your fan base. And the way they play, that's the most important thing.
Not just the X's and O's and all that. Look, this Ben Johnson, I love him.
I absolutely love him. But I'm a better candidate for this job than he would be.
What do you think about that, Dan? And what do you think the Jets are going to do with all the decisions they have to make in both the front office and with the head coaching staff? Yeah, I mean, he's being genuine there. After working every Monday for the past three years with him, he's being genuine.
I think the one thing that I will share about Rex is I've had so many moments on TV with him where he's had to be talking about coaching. And yes, sometimes he does go into the salesman part of it in a way because I think he's so passionate about it.
But then sometimes when a coach does something or says something that he disagrees with or maybe it's not in the best interest in his eyes of what's best for the team or the player and you can feel how much that bothers him and how much being in that coaching role and in that locker room and with those guys like still is such a fabric of who he is so I don't think that's's a phony kind of, I'm just saying this to be hyperbolic in the moment. I honestly believe that he believes the things that he's saying.
The Jets are super interesting because I do think that there are organizations in the league that have to play a certain way of football. You have to play a certain style of football and the jets and the giants are definitely one of those like those teams that are in certain climates they have to play a certain style they have to have a certain identity and the jets kind of have lost that a little bit i think the giants have lost that as well um and i think that like there is an element that you have to be big and physical and tough and nasty.
And it's not maybe about how great your quarterback is or how unbelievable your pass game could be. But like, can you win those, those nasty, bad weather, cold ground and pound like Rex had in unbelievable defense games? And I don't know if they're going to hire Rex or not.
But I do think that it's a he's certainly a viable candidate but he you got to make sure that his offensive philosophy is a little bit more modern age than it was maybe six or seven years ago i assume it would be with the modern offensive coordinators that'll be available for him to hire if he was to take the coaching job did him and tannenbaum uh ever break bread in the green room over there at espn that you watched? I don't think so. I don't know if they've ever been on, really, because Rex has really only been a Monday guy, and Tannenbaum I don't think has been on many Mondays.
Oh yeah, Tannenbaum Tuesdays. Yeah, Tannenbaum Tuesdays.
I don't remember them crossing paths. Because the 33rd team is a part of this, right? Consulting in this entire team.
So obviously they're the ones that have put together every name that is available. Yes.
For the Woody Brick Johnson family, Chris Johnson, to kind of look at and see what they need to do. Rex Ryan getting back over there would be awesome for football.
I'd miss him on TV. Yeah.
But he'd be on TV more potentially with press conferences. Yep.
So we need to remember. And culture being built, I think that's a big part of what's happening now for the successful team.
And I agree with everything Dan said with how that team needs to be built. And I kind of referenced the Jets yesterday talking to Cole as like the bad guys because when they were good, when they were the best, that's kind of how they viewed themselves.
That's kind of how they played football. I remember Rex being on hard knocks.
And I actually visited Rex in 09 when I came out for the draft for like a top 30 visit. And we sat in there.
The one clip Rex showed me was his team, his Baltimore Ravens defense getting a pick. I think Wes Walker, somebody on the Patriots made like a late block down the field.
Ravens get the pick and it was just guys just peeling caps, just crack back. Bum, bum, bum.
Show the play probably 18, 30 seconds. He's like, hey, this type of defense you're going to have to want to play for if you come here, if we take you here.
Now it's kind of it. It was quick meetings, boom, in and out of there.
So, like, Rex is like, that's who he is. Like, that's what you see on TV.
That's who he is. That's who he is in front of his team.
And like Dan said, you do need maybe a more modern offense, but physical defense, being able to run the football, that's the type of program that Rex is going to run. Well, Belichick said the other day, he was like, the Chicago Bears got a bunch of weapons and a quarterback, but not an offensive line.
They play in Chicago, so the weather is going to affect. It was like the shots that Bill takes at people are at a level where it's like,

this is pretty simple if we really think about it.

And you made that point there about the Jets and the Giants.

It's like, hey, weather's going to be cropped.

You're going to have to be able to run the rock at some point.

And neither of those teams really have been able to, even with Brees Hall and Braylon Allen.

Braylon Allen. Braylon Allen.

It was like, I thought this was going to be the –

this was going to potentially be the one.

Rex, remember you got to the FC Championship with Sanchez.

Oh, did he?

Sanchez back there.

I think that was the year they beat us in the division round.

One in New England.

14-2.

We had to beat the shit out of them.

I think they beat the Colts before they beat the Patriots.

Yeah.

Like, we had a couple years back-to-back there

where we were running into the Jets in the playoffs.

Obviously, we let them in because we lost week

15.

They win. We let them in.

Everybody's like, you're going to let Rex Ryan

into the playoffs? And then when Rex beats you,

it's going to be a full one. And then we beat

him. We go to the Super Bowl.
We lose to Drew Brees.

And then the next year, time management issue.

Vinny hits like a 50-yard field

goal with a minute something left

in the game to take the lead.

We kick it off. Big return.

I actually tackle guy on sideline around

And Vinny hits like a 50-yard field goal with a minute something left in the game to take the lead. We kick it off.
Big return. I actually tackle Guy on sideline around their 40 or our 50.
Then Nick Folk was going to have to hit a 48-yard field goal, I think. We call a timeout.
We call a timeout. Got a practice.
It was like second down. So he takes a shot to Braylon, I think.
Yep, it was. Down the sideline.
Catches it. Timeout.
They take. He was like, down so he takes a shot to Braylon I think down the sideline catches it time out they take it was like why did we give them an opportunity he kicks like a 25 yarder or a 30 yarder they end up beating us they go I think to New England that was the can't wait Bart Scott year but that run there obviously everybody makes fun of Sanchez and Mark Sanchez because of the butt fumble.
That's all anybody remembers. But it's like that team was very good.
And on Hard Knocks, they were awesome. They were like must watch.
The Jets were like must watch. There was like DeBrickishaw, Ferguson, and Nick Mangold.
And, dude, that's how they flipped that franchise is I think they took both those guys in the same draft.

And that was really the turning point. And that's the fascinating thing for me about the whole, what are the Patriots going to do and what are the Bears going to do?

Because you could fall in love with, let's have, like, my perspective is this.

Most guys that are great for just the quarterbacks when it comes to coaches are probably not the best for those cold weather climate organizations. Most people that are really good play callers, I don't want to say most people, but from my perspective is, oh, this guy's super smart X's and O's and he's really good with getting the quarterback to play well.
Well, how good is he going to be for developing the overall toughness of the football team and mindset of the football team to play a certain brand of football in these climates that's necessary because most quarterback people aren't tough asses they're not you know they're they may be like highly intellectual or they see the game in a really advanced pass game concept way but they're probably not like bas and so that's why i find the great coach yeah bruce aarons i find like the chicago one and people get mad at me about it but like i find the chicago one and new england one because it's like we can fall in love with the oh my gosh we're gonna do whatever's best for the quarterback but that's not necessarily necessarily what's best for that team in that organizational situation in that weather climate. Just another thing to kind of echo your sentiment there.
You got to be able to motivate the boys to go practice in 15 degree weather on a Wednesday, week 15. Yeah, because you might be playing in 30 degree weather on Sunday.
Yeah, like you got to build the culture in those cold weathers a lot. No offense to anybody else, but cold weather takes a lot more motivating to get everything

done on a day-to-day basis.

So you got to have somebody that's cultured.

And you talk about all the play colors.

Sean McVay is out there in LA.

Kevin O'Connell is in a dome, right?

In the entirety.

Matt LaFleur, I guess, would be...

Ben Johnson, dome.

Ben Johnson, dog slowick down there in Houston.

But Matt LaFleur, I guess, would be the one, right? Because he's over there in Green Bay. Because I'll call it Andy Reid would be another guy.
But I think he's a culture builder as well. Absolutely.
Totally. I think he's classic.
Not classic. I think he's like maybe one of one when it comes to being able to call offense and also build a culture and everything.
I think about it, like, I don't mean to cut you off, but I of like like lamar with harbaugh it wasn't just like an offensive centric thing uh josh allen with sean mcdermott dan quinn jaden daniels obviously domiko and cj stroud we we as much as i love x's and o's like we have to stop thinking that the best thing is oh my gosh we're going to to hire a head coach and it's got to be about the quarterback.

It's certainly part of it, yes.

But your quarterback will play well if everybody else on your team plays well.

The likelihood of your quarterback playing well when everyone on your team

is playing well is significantly higher than the team playing well

just because the quarterback's playing well.

Or the team playing well and the quarterback shouldn't have been.

In the NFL, normally if team's playing well, quarterback is going to play well at this level. That's why there's some players, quarterbacks, that people think don't have as much talent, but they're in a good situation, and they play out of their mind because the team is so good.
I love that we are back to a point, though, where it's like, we need football culture in these places. That's good for society, I think, as a whole.
And you talk about quarterbacks. Let's talk about a couple of the young quarterbacks.
Go ahead, D-Bush. Yeah, a couple of these young quarterbacks I think with very good coaches when it comes to creating a culture.
Bo Nix and Jaden Daniels had two, you know, great rookie seasons. Sorry, Sean Payton also alongside Andy Reid is a guy who can build a culture and call play.
That's 100% on me. Sean, I apologize.
Learned under Bill Parcells.

Yeah, tough ass. So, you know, Jaden Daniels, Bo Nix, good years.

But now going into the playoffs, obviously, you know, everything steps up a notch on both sides of the ball.

Who do you have more confidence in going into this playoff run?

Jaden Daniels over with the Commanders or Bo Nix with the Denver Broncos?

I got more confidence in Jaden.

I think that, you know, Jaden actually should, I think is going to play well against Tampa. One, I think Tampa's defense plays way too soft on the perimeter.
They give up completions. Jaden's a completion-centric, completion-driven quarterback with their no-huddle offense, and he spits the ball out real quickly.
So, you know, they better play better and more, take away some more air off the line of scrimmage on the perimeter of Tampa defensively because, you know, Washington will have a lot of success in the pass game if that doesn't change. So I think they could play well.
If you go back to week one, one of the things that stood out in that game were Jaden's legs were a massive part of that game. And I don't remember exactly who won that game.
The Bucs won it but Jaden and the the thing is like Bucs defensively you're getting a totally different kid I remember in that first game Jaden was playing a little bit hesitant he didn't necessarily trust what his eyes kind of were looking at and didn't take some shots down the field that I thought that were there obviously that is a long time ago and he has grown a lot but I have a lot of faith. I really do.
I think that, again, their no-huddle offense is such a big deal to try to get defenses to play slow. I have a high level of confidence with Bo Nix.
The thing with Bo that will be interesting is, in that game specifically as well, is how does Buffalo defensively handle Courtland Sutton? Because Sutton is a problem because he's so big.

He's such a mismatched guy.

How do they handle their perimeter screen game?

That's one of the things that probably hasn't been talked about enough in Denver.

Their perimeter screen game has created a lot of opportunities.

And then some of the shots downfield.

That's a big part of their offense.

And that's always been the Sean Payton thing.

They want to run the football.

They can.

They can put beefy people on the line of scrimmage. They're going to try to run it against Buffalo's front, there's no doubt about it.
The perimeter screen game, and then he's going to drive the ball to some seams and take some shots down the field to Sutton. Buffalo's a really good defense, they take the ball away, that's one of the reasons why they've statistically not been awesome.
They do give up yards. They don't necessarily have a dominant element of their team defensively outside of the takeaways.
And Bo has valued the football really well this year. I think both of these young guys have the chance to play well.
Whenever you talk about the award season, because you're in AP, obviously these guys, rookies, are in the conversation for Offensive Rookie of the Year. AP Tone has a question for you, pal.
Yeah, Dan, my AP brethren, we had to turn in our first and second team all pros yesterday. Tomorrow, we have to turn in.
When did you have to do it? Yesterday. You're a prick, dude.
So you sent him to Acho to clear him already? Yeah, you sent him to Acho a couple hours before. He's a little busy right now.
Hey, let's not have any uncomfortable conversations, all right? Aw, damn! Holy shit! Damn, Dan's been waiting on that one. Dead red.
That's two days in a row.

Wow.

You hang him, I'll bang him.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaking of...

Just kidding.

I'll talk about baseballs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

I was talking about AP voting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MVP, MVP.

What's the AP stand for?

All pro.

It was yesterday.

Okay.

Tomorrow, we have to turn in our top five for all the voting awards. That's not how you say that.
Whenever you started doing that, you became a real prick. Sorry.
Me? Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know what I did. Yesterday.
How I say yesterday? You came out the womb saying that? I don't know, dude. I don't really think hard about how I say the word yesterday.
Boom. Yeah, you do, because you just said it.
No, I don't. You really think that I spend brain power on how I say that word? No.
I don't care. Brain power is an interesting thing with you, you know, because how do you generate all that brain power to watch all the film that you have, to have all the takes that you have, and also think about how you say words yesterday? I think what Connor says is you drop that one in there it's like when people say hammer that's like dropping yinzer right into uh one particular word but the rest of their life they speak regular i think what connor says is that you have a massachusetts accent on one word and then the rest of your sentence there's nothing else right con yeah you went to uconn someone said it and it was cool and i get that because i used the pittsburgh accent too but i won't say like that's not how i say flowers i say flyers as like a pittsburgh thing but i don't say flyers i say flowers you get it yeah i i no i don't i also have a son who has a boston accent with the letter r we have a son named hunter drops eyes.
And my son named Noah calls him Hunter, and he's

not from Boston. Well, that's because he hears his dad

say yesterday all the time.

This is what you're doing. It's another generation.

Anyways, yesterday, you guys had to put

in a vote for the AP.

Yeah, for the All-Pro teams, and then tomorrow is

our top five. You've got to send in your top five for the

awards. I don't know how long you've

been a voter, Dan. Is this the

hardest year ever, especially

for MVP and

Defensive Player of the Year year because it feels it feels like there's a lot of options tone's regretting it massively having to do these votes no i this the mvp vote it's been super easy this year um yeah this is my second year voting um yeah i mean it was hard this year. It really was.
I actually tried to – I'm not allowed to say who I voted for. I tried to have a double Offensive Player of the Year kind of vote, so we'll see how much that flies.
But it was really hard for MVP. I think Offensive Player of the Year.
We're allowed to put two number ones for Offensive Player of the Year? I tried to. I tried to.
What are you doing? What are you doing? I tried to. I'm trying to celebrate these guys.
I'm not trying to be like other people and tear them down. Okay, well you've got a duty, Bob.
You've got an AP vote. There's only 50.
You, Ojo, Tone, 47 others that we don't know. Tom Brady.
Rob Motty. Tommy.
Johnny Foxborough. But MVP was hard.
Offensive Player of the Year was hard. Defensive Player of the Year was hard, but just because maybe there wasn't one person that was like the standout, dominant, unbelievable player.
Like Hendrickson leads the league in sacks. They don't get in.
Their defense was really bad. So, like, how do you evaluate all that?

You know, Miles Garrett led the league in tackles for losses.

They were a bad football team.

So, like, how do you evaluate all that? You know, Kyle Hamilton maybe doesn't have, like, the statistics that, like,

a Kirby Joseph does, but he saves Baltimore's season when he goes from the

nickel back to safety because then Marlon's playing nickel and Marlon's

Zach Bond. Zach Bond, you know, probably one of the better inside linebackers, one of the best defenses, Patrick Sertan, best corner at his position on one of the best defenses.
So that was tough. I thought offensive rookie of the year was relatively easy.
Defensive rookie of the year, I thought was relatively easy as well. Okay, so Tone didn't show us his final votes, votes but tone did let us in on how miserable his life is right now trying to piece these together and i think there is a lot of regret from tone for accepting this on which one so think about this situation that could brew and i tossed it into tone's life this is not tone's voting this is me just pointing out how happy i am that i said i'm not doing it and tone will do it let's say you vote josh allen for the mvp then lamar jackson's year a lot comes with that yeah so josh well especially especially whenever you're white and uh you know that to america situation going on with dan orlovsky on yeah dan we know what you're doing but let's just say you vote josh allen for mvp then you got we know what you're doing.
But let's just say you vote Josh Allen for MVP. Then you got, we know what you're doing, Dano.
Don't you know what? Yesterday, the day before, that day before that, and probably the future. But whenever you vote that guy MVP, then you would think Lamar then, Offensive Player of the Year.
So then what does that mean? Saquon gets nothing in that entire thing? Can of corn. So then let's say you put Lamar in there.
And D-Bud said you're not allowed to vote for quarterback for offensive player of the year. I don't think offensive player of the year should ever be a quarterback because we know the MVP is going to a quarterback.
So I think offensive player of the year has got to be Saquon or Jamar Chase. And since the Bengals aren't in the playoffs, and Saquon did something very, very unique just like the Triple Crown is, it's got to be Saquon.
I don't have a vote, though. Exactly.
So this was the shit that was brought around... All right, Tone.
Tone's flexing and he has a vote right now. That is not what he was doing earlier.
It's okay to feel yourself a little bit, bud. I like it.
No, he's not feeling himself whenever he's typing and answering and then... I don't know.
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you got to have some conviction with what you're doing, man.
Yeah, well, how can you have conviction whenever you know that it's impossible

to reward one person to have the best season or most valuable season?

Someone actually hit me up on Twitter a couple weeks ago and said,

we should have an MVP for every position.

And I was like, all right.

And then someone was like, what's up?

Not everybody gets an award.

They're a part of the problem.

You're a part of the problem.

Tell that person they're a part of the problem.

And tell that person to stop deleting their tweets, too. Tell them not everybody gets an award.
But there is numerous people that deserve an award this year. But the way these things normally work, you don't get the MVP.
Well, then you get normally the player of the year. But it's like, so if Lamar's MVP, Josh wins nothing on this particular season because Saquon wins offense player of of the Year.
Then if Saquon's not winning any awards,

then he's going to win a Super Bowl, right?

Well, Ty has a question for you, Dano.

Yeah, Dano, it came out today, actually,

that Jalen Hurts is still in the concussion protocol.

I know you're not a neurologist or a doctor,

but how concerned do you think Eagles fans should be with that?

And also, if he can't go, who are they going to start?

Because McKee looked pretty good last week week maybe even better than Kenny Pickett yeah um I would be pretty concerned as of right now um you know this is a long time without practicing now I heard Saturday on get up talking about because my thought was well I wonder if he's not practicing is he able to be throwing on the side and and kind of working up a sweat and maybe throwing routes on air or whatnot? And I thought Jeff intimated that that's not even allowed as well. So he was saying like 16 days it's been since any type of football activity.
And if that's accurate, that does give me a little bit of like, oh, man, that's a really know, for a quarterback to be off. And so I'll be interested to see what the next 48 hours are because, you know, Wednesday's obviously the start of the week.
So if he's out there tomorrow and practicing and he's cleared everything and he's full clear for practice, then I really don't have a ton of concern. But if it bleeds into tomorrow and he's not able to kind of partake in at least some parts of practice, then that gives me a high level of hesitation if I'm Philly.
And let's be very clear. If you're Philly and Jalen, for some reason, cannot play, you 100% if healthy start Kenny Pickett.
No offense to Tanner McKee. Kenny Pickett's played a lot of football.

You are 100% playing

Kenny Pickett. Absolutely.

I would like to hear how the Johns over in Philadelphia

feel because if Jalen Hurts

isn't playing, once again, 16 days, we hope he's

okay. If this concussion continues

to linger, we're all going to be

sending positive thoughts and prayers for whatever's

going on with his brain and how

he feels and everything. Because that's a big

how-do-you-feel type thing with concussion.

So if he doesn't feel right this far after concussion we hope everything's okay going forward but we would assume that kenny pickett and tanner mckee might not take them to a super maybe yeah okay agreed that's big richard nick falls we don. We don't know if Kenny Big Dick gets swinging around, but there is a chance.
There is a chance. There is a chance that he is able to pull it off.
Relax, Dano, please. Geez, yesterday everything was fine.
But if they don't, let's say they lose to the Packers in the first round, which there's a chance. So this Eagles team doesn't get the all-time rushing record, chooses not to do it, has a first-round exit after having a great season.
Sirianni is going to get absolutely destroyed by so many people. And it's like he doesn't have his quarterback, doesn't have this, doesn't have that.
And there's a chance that this Philadelphia Eagles season that was so magical for so long, historic, record-breaking, going to be fun. There's a chance that it all ends quickly, and the Johns over there in Philly are going to be so pissed.

They are going to be so...

Dan, legit, I've had the opportunity to talk to...

I've got one right here.

Bingo.

I've had a chance to talk to a couple of Eagles fans.

They are not happy that Saquon didn't go for that record.

They are not happy that the Philadelphia Eagles

don't own the all-time leading rushing record.

And I've tried to explain, like,

well, if Saquon's going to play,

that means the entire offensive line got to play. That means, like, everybody's going to have to play going forward.
And they're like, who, like, well, if Saquon's going to play, that means the entire offensive line has got to play.

That means, like, everybody's going to have to play going forward.

And they're like, who cares?

Like, everybody else did it.

Hardball has got the boys ready for one more week of toughness.

MCDC was like, we're playing, man.

Like, everybody decided to play, but we decided to rest

because we didn't want to do it.

And it's like, I understand what you're saying.

If Saquon or anybody gets hurt because they're playing in a meaningless game,

last game of the season, Sirianni's going to get murdered. I mean, he's going to get absolutely killed for mismanagement.
So it's a tough position. But if, let's say, Saquon doesn't win Offense Player of the Year, he doesn't get the rushing record, and now, question mark at quarterback, it's like, what if they don't win? I mean, we are Sirianni.
It would be chaos. It would be a total failure.
It would be a total failure of an unbelievable season, and season that you get nothing for. So that's how I said that last week.
Like, once they decide to sit him, I get it. I get all the football.
You better go win the whole thing then because that's the only reason. That's the only way that the decision to not play is paid off.
It doesn't pay yourself off if you're using the NFC title game on a game-winning kick. And all of a sudden, you're sitting there mid-February, and I go, I got nothing.
I got nothing to show for it. Yeah, and we love Sirianni, but, I mean, that's the game.
I get it. The game can be cold sometimes.
Dan Orlovsky's a cold son of a bitch, Joe. We appreciate you, Dan.
We'll be back next hour with A.J. Hawken.
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One half of the hammer. Dad! Cowboys AP Tone is here.
Boys, it sounds like he doesn't want to No. He's going through it.
No. I just want to get it right.
I just want to get it right. A little bit of a blender over there whenever you're having to put an actual number on who's winning what.
Defensive player of the year. I'll tell you what, there's some stats out there that are alarming for a lot of guys.
There's a lot of great defenses. Offensive player of the year, well, who's that going to? The person that didn't win the MVP, or is it the person that's the best on offense that isn't a quarterback? There's obviously some disagreements within the Thunderdome.
I couldn't imagine across the entire country, how do they ever get it right, is the real question over time. But so many legacies and contract escalators and Hall of Fame nods all come down to you getting it right alongside Acho and 48 others.
Yeah, just want to get it right and I'm taking it very, very seriously. I don't know if everybody does.
They should, though. This is people's legacies.
What? Who doesn't? I don't know. I do.
Hub R. Couch.
That was the guy from Chicago. The guy from Guess Who.
He looks like Sam from Guess Who. Yeah.
I will not vote for a guy that doesn't have a vaccine. I believe is what was said.
He said, quite frankly, this guy's an asshole and I'm not voting for him. I think that is what he said verbatim.
In my voting, you Is that right? If you're good on the football field, that's all that matters. If the NFL is allowing you to be on a football field, you're just looking at strictly ball.
You're not worried about anything else. Tape and ball.
Dude was watching tape on Longstaffers last week. No big deal.
It was one of the most awesome things ever. What am I even supposed to be looking at? He's spitting that.
Because he's got to give a first team, second team. I reached out to some experts on that one.
Yeah, smart play. First team, second team, all pro, long snapper.
It's like, I have no idea who that is. I think if you were to ask punters, kickers, and even long snappers in the league, they would have no idea who it is.
Because who snapped Lace's best all season for field goal? Who snapped the pun who covered who blocked that's tough film to do i appreciate the fact that you were diving into all of it you are taking it very soon thank you to nfl pro all pro premium plus so it's nfl pro premium nfl plus premiums pro there it is which is a-have. We have it now at this point.
We don't even have to say it as much because we assume it's just in the football zeitgeist. As you would say, NFL Plus Premiums NFL Pro has the ability to look at film at everything and also have stats on everything and a way to organize everything.
That needs to be its own. a phenomenal tool for everybody like you can search like if you are between two players you can search and it just brings up every play that that person is on the field and you can filter by tackles uh you know pressures pass coverage snaps stuff like that so it makes it very easy to watch film nine-year nfl vet one of the smartest humans i've ever seen on a football field there Darius J.
Butler's here looking incredibly good at him. D-Butch, have you been helping him or arguing with him? We've been talking.
We've been butterheads on a couple things. We both have different opinions.
Tone's been grinding the tape. I'll just tell you what Dan told you.
Just have conviction. Make you guys have conviction.
Yeah, stand by it. Stand by it.
And be right. Yeah.
He's been a secondary consultant on a couple guys. Darius or Dano? Darius.
Have you called Dano at all? No. Are you guys allowed to mingle with your thoughts, these things like the gossip? I don't know.
I feel like that shouldn't be a thing. You should make your own decision.
Too much groupthink. Kill America.
Boom. Not just America.
From what I'm learning. The planet.
It is. It is in a lot of places.
Shout out to ESPN, bet it exists. Still bring it.
Really? Yeah, it does. Still bringing it.
Yeah, it is. Still bringing it.
And you can bet on these awards, actually. And that is the reason why Tone can't give away any of his actual voting in who he's picking, because you can bet on it still.
But we will say, I don't even know if we know who Tone is picking. No how many arguments there's been i've tried to listen through it right out through the wire when he's talking about who he's like who's he putting over a little bit more than maybe somebody else but then somebody i'd never heard of dropped into the conversation this morning right me this morning who bruce tried me this morning yeah this guy bruce is not happy he kept stomping around did the entire thing hair looks phenomenal.
It does. Bruce is a 2025 me this morning.
Yeah. Bruce is not happy.
He kept stomping around, did the entire thing.

Hair looks phenomenal.

It does.

Bruce is a 20-25 great bucket guy.

We were not fighting.

You know, I just happened to disagree a little bit.

That's not true.

He hates Zach Bond.

I don't hate Zach Bond.

But you might as well put the top five linebackers in the league on a wheel,

spin it, and give them defense player of the year if you're giving it to Zach Bond. That's the Giants.
Yeah, but that was... So, Zach Bond, I didn't even know he was in the conversation.
And if I'm Zach Bond, I'm pissed that nobody's been talking about me all year that I'm now in the defensive player of the year conversation. It's the media.
You're a part of it. You haven't said this guy's name one time.
I've talked about Zach Bond, but you know what? We always talk about draft status. That shit follows you.
It matters. If Zach Bond was a first-round pick, he would be minus 900 right now to win the defensive player of the year.
What he's been able to do, rushing the passer, disrupting shit behind the line of scrimmage in the past. He came into the league as a pass rusher, moved to off ball.
Howie Roseman, another unbelievable signing to get on that Vic Fangio defense. But he's been a dog.
He, I think, has been the best defensive player in the league this year. So he said that over there.
And then Bruce with his hair just popped up. What are we talking about? What are we even talking about? And then Tone was like, I was looking at the numbers.
And then he starts making a kick. And it's like, I don't know how you make the right one there you're never going to get it right but good luck out thank you and we appreciate you joining us now as a man who does not have an ap vote but he does have a lot of say doesn't he oh yeah every time he opens his mouth the world moves you're talking about a needle mover ladies and gentlemen college football national champion super bowl champion rider cup winner a man who's in wwe 2k 24 24 saw a sign for wwe 2k 25K25.
That's what got me. But I didn't know if that was breaking news or...
People were acting like it was breaking. Yeah, there was a big pop because he walks in there and he says January 27th, I think.
And then he walks in there and then 2K25 is on the door. Everybody pops.
I'm like, I don't know if that's breaking news or not. What's going on? So I i just kept my mouth shut i just kept my i don't i don't need to be messing this entire thing up didn't hear cole say anything either but cole is recorded 10 000 hours for the wwe 2k game so he didn't say anything either i was like i'll keep my mouth shut joining us now wwe 2k24 player AJ Hawk Hawker we are now in awards season and AP voting season

and I want to let you know it got a little contentious over here this morning. I had not expected it.
AJ, it got a bit contentious over here, pal. What, Bruce just doesn't – he doesn't value the off-ball linebacker, does he? That's what it sounds like.
It's not just Bruce, brother. It's not just like the defensive player of the year.
It's if you give the MVP to Lamar

or Josh, then you go down

to offensive player of the year. So that means

the other guy's sitting there. And then you got

Saquon that had almost

historic, definitely still broke a lot of

records, but almost like anomaly

season. It's like, so

who, how do you,

how do you, how do you?

I like what D-Butt says. I think D-Butt's great.
Offensive player of the year should be a non-quarterback. That should be a non-quarterback award, I believe.
You might as well because we know MVP should and always probably will be a quarterback award. We know that.
So we should just have the best quarterback award and then we should have offensive player of the year award and then we should just move along as that is the rules. Because Lamar and Josh, one of them is going to win an MVP, one of them is going to win nothing with these rules.
They get nothing for the year that they've had. But like Hall of Fame, if you think about it, if you give Josh MVP and then Lamar gets a first-team All-Pro, at the end of the career it's like, well, Lamar had another first-team All-Pro.
This is like in college whenever one person wins the quarterback award. Sure.
Davey O'Brien. And then one person wins the Heisman.
It's kind of like, you kind of split those things. But in this particular case, there is a chance that Saquon Barkley walks out of the season with nothing.
Okay? There is, he'll be first-team All-Pro running back, which is obviously a big deal. Congratulations to him has certainly earned that but there is a there is a world where no rushing title no playoff wins no nothing now they're saying over there that you can't clear concussion protocol until practice i saw somebody say on the internet okay news to me yeah i didn't know that but if that's the case hopefully jalen's okay because that is a wild 16 days now he still has a bit but now they're saying it's not coming until tomorrow because that's when he first practiced.
I hope that's the case. But for Philadelphia, those fans, they've got to be in the middle of it right now.
Just absolutely in the middle of it all, AJ. Well, I just, I guess I would definitely worry if I'd like to know which, and they don't have to tell us anything, what stage of the protocol is he in? We know there's different stages.
Like, okay, he's allowed to get up and do a little workout in the weight room and see if he gets a headache, and then you move on from there and you continue to progress to on-the-field stuff. So I just want to know where he's at in the protocol.
Yeah, and we hope he's okay. Obviously, with the year that they've been having, that would be a heartbreaker for, obviously, Jalen Hurts, but for everybody over there in Philadelphia.
And what an insane couple seasons, end of seasons, for the Philadelphia Eagles the last couple years as a very successful program. Joining us right now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's in multiple Hall of Fames for broadcasting.
He is one of the loudest New York Jets fans, excited to get his take on everything. Haven't talked to him in a while.
It's always great to see him. Ladies and gentlemen, host of Get Up and Has mike greenberg all right granny guys well i'm very busy preparing for my interview to be the general manager of the jets i can't tell you how much time and energy i'm putting into this it's not something i have a great deal of experience with but i'm very flattered to be given the opportunity so i'm cramming like crazy crazy.
Any advice you have will be very much welcome. Okay, so we all thought Mike Greenberg was the salary cap gymnast from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers getting the interview for the general manager job.
Not Greeny, but from what it sounds like, you were the guy. A lot of people have gone from TV right into either front office or head coaching.
I think you'd be the right guy over there, Greeny remember brick johnson heard you say it you would cut off your dong for this jets team to be good yeah they need that type of passion in that building greeny that's what they need let me give you an example of just how incredibly stupid people are the number of people who believe this is me is overwhelming i'm not just talking about random people responding to Shefty's tweet. I'm talking about friends of mine, people in my life, sending me notes saying things like, is this real? And I don't even know how to respond to those people.
What they're doing is they're demonstrating to me, they're letting their guard down. And I realized, oh, oh you're actually a complete idiot i don't have any so i i feel like i'm going to lose friends over this thing lest there be any confusion yeah i am not being considered for the general manager's job of the new york jet put on a c geek ticker put on a c geek ticker that is breaking news greenie will not be the general manager of the, although I assume a lot of Jets fans wish that was the case.
Let's talk about the Jets situation and then the current state of all these NFL positions before we look ahead to Super Wild Card weekend, which is going to be awesome. You guys have general manager up and head coach up.
And obviously the 33rd team, which you know very well because Tannenbaum, who founded it, is on your program on a very regular basis. They're consulting.
It feels like they just put a list together of every human that's available to be the head coach. And now we're hearing Rex Ryan talk.
And Rex is like, hey, I'm the best guy for the job. How do you think it's going to pan out? What would you like to see? And do they get coached before GM or GM before coach? How do you think it kind of goes going forward? Okay, so let's start with Rex.
So he is interviewing right now, or at least his interview was this morning. And I have no idea how it has gone, and I will not ask him.
You know, there's a line, as you know, with friends. And, you know, it's interesting to me.
I don't know how you do this because you have so many relationships with people that we cover. And I have none.
I have made a point of trying to have none or next to none because it puts me in this impossible position. Rex, and you know him, Pat, from the years that you were with us on Mondays.
Love him. For all of his bluster and all of his craziness, he has the biggest heart of any human being you will ever meet.
He's genuinely the nicest person in the world. So I am hopelessly biased in hoping that he gets this job because he wants it so badly.
And when you care about someone as much as I care about that guy after all these years we've been working together, I want to see him get it because he wants it so badly. I also don't think it's insane.
The reality of it is this. There are three things that will go down, that will decide how this goes.
One is, are you a leader of men? Rex is definitely that. Two, can you coach one side of the ball or the other? Rex definitely has that.
He is, if not the greatest, then among the greatest defensive coaches in recent NFL memory. I think if he gets the right offensive coach in place, whoever the, I don't know who this person is, maybe you guys have a better idea than I do, but whoever the next Kevin O'Connell is, whoever the next Ben Johnson is, whoever that person waiting for that opportunity is, if Rex gets that guy, then I see no reason in the can't succeed i can tell you it would be very popular i walk the streets of this city every single day and i can't tell you how many people yell at me greeny is rex going to get this job we need to bring rex back jet fans love him so i think he would walk in with a lot of goodwill for whatever that is worth so that's the first answer to your question i i'm hopelessly biased i would love to see rex get it because he wants it so badly as far as the gm and coach thing the jets are one of the nfl teams and they're not the only one that do not tie them together which is to say the coach answers directly to the owner and the general manager answers directly to the owner I don't like that I've never liked it I've never thought it was a good way to do business I think it's crop I think it's shite I think it's stupid they should be on the same page personally that's yeah that's basically what you just said there yeah it makes sense that's what I think I I think those two people have to work like this you have to have a Otherwise, what you wind up with is agendas.
Okay. Look, life is all agendas, right? Everyone has an agenda.
Everyone wants success. And they want to receive the credit and the good things that come from the success.
If the coach and the general manager are not aligned, if they are not in complete lockstep, then what you are doing is opening the door for each of them to have separate agendas. And the moment things start to go sideways, they're each going to point the finger at the other one.
I think that you need the two of them to be completely joined at the hip. So the Jets have an opportunity to do that because both jobs are open at the same time.
Frequently, they've not done that. When they fired Mike Tannenbaum, they kept Rex.
They hired John Isik. Then they fired Rex.
He hired a different coach. We've seen this cycle with NFL teams all the time, and it sucks.
It almost never works. So they have a great opportunity now.
So I think you either choose the general manager that you believe in more than anyone else in the world and let that guy pick the coach, or you hire the coach that you believe in more than anyone else in the world and you say to him okay who do you want to be your general manager who do you want to work with but i want those two people joined together yeah and there's been coaches that have more power than a gm the gm's been working for the coach and if you hired rex ryan i think that'd be a smart decision to be like hey rex who do you want the pseudo work for you here as a general manager on the back end, handling the salary cap, handling it all? Maybe it is Mike Greenberg because he's been able to do all of those things. Not this Mike Greenberg, but actually Mike Greenberg down there in Tampa Bay because he's been ahead of all of this shit that everybody else is doing.
You got Rex Ryan, let him pick that these are the type of guys I want. This is who I want.
This is how we want to do. You figure it out on the back end.
That could be a match made in heaven. Who knows what Woody Johnson will do going forward.
What you just referenced there about hiring a coach and then firing a GM and then bringing a GM firing coach. Tennessee Titans are kind of in the middle of that right now down the AFC South.
Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Greeny, how do you feel about the AFC South? Pat just mentioned it.
The Titans are looking for a GM. Jags are looking for a coach and possibly a GM pending if Shad Khan gets a word from the new head coach that Balky's an idiot and then he'll make a change is what he said.
And then obviously the Colts kept both their guys. But what do you think about the entire division as a whole? And who do you think is kind of set up best for success between the Colts, Titans, and Jags, especially with the draft coming up for all three of those teams? Probably.
Look,

I, He's kind of set up best for success between the Colts, Titans, and Jags, especially with the draft coming up for all three of those teams. Probably, look, the only way to answer that question is with another question.
Have we decided Trevor Lawrence just isn't going to be the guy that we thought he was going to be? I'm old enough to remember when Trevor Lawrence was the best prospect to come out of college in generations. He would have been the first pick in three different drafts um so if he and there's a question I've been trying to get to on get up each of the last two days and we haven't gotten it in because other stuff got hot but we will get it in if you were and so maybe I can answer your question this way get it in if you were a coach and you had the choice between coaching trevor lawrence caleb williams and drake may all three of whom have openings which one would you choose if you're a coach the quarterback is the most important in this day and age when guys get fired after two bad seasons you got to have a quarterback who's ready to go right now which guy would you choose if the answer is not trevor lawrence then then the jacksonville job is the worst of them because you're locked into paying him a trillion dollars if he's not actually that good that's not a great opportunity i don't like where the titans sit at all because i do the podcast with mel and field every week and i think i i don't believe that either shador sanders or cam ward are a lock and look they might either one of them might wind up being terrific, but if they were in any of the most recent drafts, they would not have been the first or second quarterback taken, so I don't think that's a slam dunk at the top of that draft.
Interesting. The Colts, I don't know.
I keep reading on Twitter from some guy named McAfee that they're just a freaking mess. They seem to have everything in the world going wrong so i'll say the texans by default but they've been a disappointment like i i i felt like they were ready they were a very sexy pick to go to the super bowl and now all of a sudden i got people they're an underdog at home to the chargers this weekend so i guess i would say the texans but it would be by default that's the the worst division in the sport.
Whoa! Great fans! Not all sports. Everybody needs relax.
I'm sure there's some stupid MLB division south side something. The NL Central.
There it is. North Central.
That's where the Buccos are in. Not the Polskins.
No, it is not Polskins. It is not the worst division in all of sports.
It's not. There's some MLS crap that is somewhere.
The Atlantic division in the MLS. That's not a sport.
East and West, brother. Well, the Atlanta United and the Portland Timbers are holding up both sides of that entire thing.
So somewhere over in England. Which one is up to Clareton? The championship.
That's the worst one in all of sports. That's G League, though.
It doesn't count either. Jeez.
F1's the worst division of all. Yeah, what's their divisions? Red Bull, Mercedes? No, F1.
Fun versus slow? It's the fucking top. Shite 1.
Shite 2. Shite 3.
Okay, so anyways, AFC South might be the worst division in all of sports.

And I want to let you know, I'm a believer in this Colts team for next year.

Sure.

Okay, we're bringing all the same guys back.

Great.

Did that break you?

Yeah, put it on a ticker.

I believe it. Yeah.

Wait till you see what.

Everyone but Gus.

He's the fall guy.

Oh, yeah, Gus is up.

I'm pumped to see what happens down there.

But you talked about Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, or Drake May.

And the reason why I was laughing while you were giving the answer

is because I was being accosted by a New England Patriots fan over here saying, you better say Drake May right now. You better stop Greeny right there.
That is not a question. Trevor Lawrence, very expensive.
Caleb Williams, with everything going on in Chicago, is he going to be a guy? I think he is. But there's going to be a lot that's going to have to get sorted there.
Drake May was able to do a lot with a very poor surrounding around him. At least.
And he's taller than Josh Allen, it looked like, in the photos. He's a big son of a bitch.
And everything with that. A lot of injuries, though.
And they got a huge salary cap. They got a lot of cap space going into next year.
They have $130 million in cap space. They have the fourth pick in the draft.
And they have their quarterback of the future in place. And I would agree the answer to the question is Drake May.
I still think under the right circumstances, Caleb Williams, I think in a vacuum, Caleb Williams is more gifted than Drake May, but football isn't played in a vacuum. I was incredibly impressed with what I saw from May this year.
I think if I were a coach and I could choose any situation

that is currently available in the NFL right now,

the one I would choose is New England.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of people assuming that,

which is why everybody, he's dabbed over there.

I mean, it's wonderful that you just did that.

Shout out to Cam Newton, by the way.

I appreciate and respect.

You said gifted. Drake May is this tall.
Drake May is fast. He is.
I mean, now Caleb obviously can move and his ability and his ability to make plays on the run and everything like that is certainly phenomenal. But Drake May led UNC in rushing and obviously passing.
And he is 6'13". He is so big.
It is unbelievable. So going forward, I can't wait to watch all of them.
This rookie class, Bo, Jaden, Drake. You talk about Caleb, whether he's going to be able to get going.
What is Panics going to do down in Atlanta with another year? Because they're just getting rid of Kirk, it sounds like. And I saved them $10 million.
He's going to be back out there. I think Schefter said there's going to be seven quarterback needy teams this uh offseason coming up you know obviously you put those ones uh into into the conversation there kirk's going to be available sam darnold's going to be available aaron rogers might be available what are your thoughts on all of that uh green are we going to see another class of quarterbacks hit their second wind with another team this upcoming offseason and season? Look, I think if there's something that we've learned, it is that giving up on a quarterback too soon is a big mistake.
Look at Bryce Young. Look at the finish that the Panthers had.
The Panthers had a very good second half of the season. They had great losses to go along with some nice wins.
And Bryce Young now looks like he's going to be the player they hoped he was going to be.

Look at Baker Mayfield.

Look at Sam Darnold.

It's all about the situations these guys wind up in.

I'm fascinated by the Aaron thing.

And obviously, you guys know him way better than I do.

I watched Enigma.

I assume you guys saw it.

And look, he remains, without any close close competition the most interesting person in sports i mean that was the most fascinating freaky wild ride i've ever seen in a sports documentary in my entire life episode two was it just it blew my mind as one who had heard the word ayahuasca but would have to admit I really didn't know details of what it actually was.

To see people doing it was quite the experience. But here's what I took away from Enigma more than anything.
This is not the way Aaron envisioned himself going out. No way in hell.
That piece, that three piece documentary was designed to be the coda to walking off like John Elway did and he even mentions it in one of the episodes Elway walking off with a championship you guys know I'm a hundred times better than I do so I guess I would put this in the form of a question AJ particularly you I believe that once he's had two three weeks whatever it is to do whatever he does to unwind and relax i believe he's going to decide he wants to play again i don't know that the jets is the best situation for him and i don't know that he's the best situation for them that's a different question but i think rogers will play again and i think when you talk about quarterback needy teams we were actually playing a game at dinner last night which is the right spot for Rodgers to wind up and the place that we came up with was San Francisco I think San Francisco is a really interesting one it's where it all started for him he knows the offense they have to make a really interesting decision there are they going to pay Brock Pur50, $55 million a year going forward? That just feels like one of the options. But I personally will be shocked, and I don't know if you guys agree, will be shocked if Rodgers doesn't decide he wants to play another year.
We'll be talking to Aaron Rodgers tomorrow. He's currently en route to wherever he is relaxing and spending the next couple weeks to clear his head.
Is it Costa Rica by any way? No, I don't know if it's Costa Rica or the jungle. I don't think it's a darkness retreat either.
He says he's done with that. Feels like he is happy he never has to do that again.
Every time he talks about it, it's like, we're okay not doing that one. What was that fun? Do you remember he won? I mean, we were a part of that whole thing four days and can't even see the toilet yeah and he comes out a lot of missed texts from who the packers we're done holy shit then that starts the entire jet situation which had so much hope and you talk about him wanting to go out like elway it's like i think everybody had dreams of what the jets could be whenever a goes over there, especially you watch them whenever they're playing good here

like this last weekend or maybe a couple weeks ago

whenever everything's kind of hitting.

It's like that's what we were all kind of hoping for and dreaming of.

I agree with what your statement is,

that I don't think it's done for Aaron Rodgers.

We'll talk to him tomorrow.

You said San Francisco.

There's some Steelers fans that say that.

Then there's maybe the Brett Favre route.

AJ has a question for you.

Yeah, I mean, Aaron, who knows where Aaron's going to go.

I am very curious as to what his decision may be.

I have no idea either way.

I'm not going to go. I am very curious as to what his decision may be.
I have no idea either way. I haven't directly asked him.
But Green, you kind of shook your head when Pat mentioned Sam Darnold going somewhere else. What do you think the Vikings are going to do? Especially if, let's say, Sam takes them on a deep playoff run.
They're going to try to franchise them. They're going to keep them.
What happens with the Minnesota Vikings next year at the quarterback position? I think it's a very risky roll of the dice to let him get out of the building right now. They have the situation in their control.
You know, it's such a week-to-week league. A week ago, his teammates are carrying him on their shoulders, and the entire world loves him.
And a week later, he has a very bad night in the red zone against a detroit defense and in a in a wild environment and suddenly people act like there were questions i liked the idea of trading jj mccarthy i think darnold has proved that in this offense he is more than good enough jj mccarthy if he were in this year's draft would be the number one pick so if you are a team that has a top 10 pick and needs a quarterback why wouldn't you trade that to minnesota so minnesota can keep darnold they can franchise him if they don't feel 100 certain about him forever or they can try and make a deal with him maybe he takes a slightly team-friendly one because he recognizes that this has revitalized his entire career. And the Vikings can add a top 10 pick in the draft by trading McCarthy.
I think that would make a lot of sense. Just look on this list of teams here that are going to need quarterbacks.
There are only two that are going to be drafted in the first half of the first round, Shador Sanders and Cam Ward. There are far more teams than that that are going to be looking for quarterbacks.
So why wouldn't those teams give up one of those high picks for J.J. McCarthy, who again, would be the highest rated quarterback if he were in this year's class.
That's if I were in their shoes, barring something terrible happening in L.A. this Monday night, I think, A.J., that's the direction I'd be looking to go.
Okay, so JJ McCarthy traded out of Minnesota to another quarterback needy team. Kirk Cousins is going to be on the market.
Aaron Rodgers is going to be on the market. Cam Ward is going to be one of the guys that one of these teams is going to take.
Shador Sanders is going to be one of the guys because there's still some spots open. There's going to be some massive deals coming to quarterbacks this offseason.
The ones that are going to blow our mind, and I don't want to go back to Trevor Lawrence, but remember, they're paying him, what, $50 million a year? Oh, yeah. $55 million a year.
And obviously, we see Sean Payton dance around the salary cap, dead hit, and everything like that with getting rid of Russell Wilson, but that's not easy everywhere. So whoever goes in there to Jacksonville is going to have to figure out with Trevor.
But there's going to be teams that are going to open up a big vault. Like if Sam Darnold was to get out there, I mean, $55 million is probably what a team would be willing to pay after what he has showcased.
But will he do what you alluded to, which is understand that Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, Addison, TJ Hawkinson, Aaron Jones, his offensive line, the defense we have, even though B-Flow might be gone after the season with a head coaching job, it's like that's a wagon over there in Minnesota. I don't like how the Vikings fans have just completely assumed they're dead now because they lose to the Lions last week.
They were going for the number one seed in the NFC. They lose to the Lions in devastating fashion.
And the Vikings fans that I know are like, it's over. It's like history.
They've been snake bit a lot. They know.
Come on. You're in the dance.
Two years. You're in the dance.
And they're a road favorite on Monday night. They're favored to win.
I think that their draw is not that bad. I agree.
I like the Vikings in that game Monday night in L la that'll be a vikings home game um as far as fans and i mean everything outside of the actual location of the game um i i like them to win that and then we'll see what winds up happening they may wind up right back in detroit again um and or crazy things could happen this jalen hurts thing bears keeping a very close eye on we are living in a world where it is not a certainty that jalen hurts is going to be able to play for the eagles this weekend against green bay and if he is not then i don't know that they definitely win that game so i think the nfc look the nfc it's just the first time in a long, the AFC, I see three teams. I would bet you anything anyone wanted to bet, and I'm obviously not going out on a limb here, that one of three teams will wind up in the Super Bowl from the AFC, Kansas City, Buffalo, or Baltimore.
From the NFC, I really don't think you can say that. I wouldn't be stunned if practically any of them got there i guess i would be surprised if tampa got there man but i i wouldn't be that shocked if any of the nfc teams wound up in the super bowl and everybody in detroit is saying are you fucking watching games that's what everybody in detroit would say yeah greedy on sunday or monday on Sunday night, the defense playing that well didn't change your mind

at all about the Detroit Lions, because we know

the offense is going to score points.

I think the defense looks so good. I think a lot of Lions fans

are saying, we can win the Super Bowl now,

whereas a couple weeks ago, we were not saying that.

Hambo stat, too, that I got.

They would be my favorite.

If you asked me to pick right now, I would pick Detroit.

But if you told me

Philadelphia was going to go in there and beat them in a tough game, I would believe it. If you told me Minnesota was going to go in there again and play much better and beat them, I would believe it.
If you told me Green Bay wound up there again and beat them, I would believe it. If you told me the Rams were going to go in there with Stafford and find a way to win that game, I would believe it.
Would I pick it? No. But I wouldn't be nearly as shocked, let's put it that way, as I would be if the Steelers went into Kansas City and beat them.
Agreed. Hey, listen, I understand what you're saying.
The Detroit Lions are a wagon, though, and I think it's abnormal for a lot of people to understand that at this point. All of us are kind of in a whirlwind for what the Detroit Lions are.
I think Anzalone coming back is a massive ordeal. 100%.
It changed everything. And I got a Hembo stat about Aaron Glenn.
He brought six-plus people 16 times this past Sunday night. That's the most by any team all season.
And it's like, in the biggest game, Aaron Glenn emptied the clip. And I like that.
I like how our mindset is. Let's go back over to the AFC side there.
There's a couple quarterbacks that are obviously in massive conversation. Go ahead, D-Butch.
Yeah, you talked about those top three teams, Green, obviously with the Chiefs, the Bills, and the Ravens. Now, Patrick Mahomes, he is who he is.
Seeming to legacy. But Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, great seasons.
Either one of them could be the MVP. Who has more pressure on him to win the super bowl this year going to the uh it's kind of like a get up shout out to get up to biggest december ever congratulations so pressure comes in a lot of different forms um patrick mahomes could do something that no one even tom brady ever did uh in the super bowl era bart star did it and some others did it in an era of football that we generally don't count anymore patrick mahomes can can become can win a three-peat and can probably begin the conversation immediately february 10th we can start having the conversation and see the greatest quarterback of all time if he wins that's some that is a level of pressure but there's no downside in him not winning it this year he's not going to win it every year of his career brady played 20 something years and won seven of them so in that regard i think there is less pressure on mahomes than either of the other two lamar jackson is missing one thing and we all know what it is from being placed into historical perspective lamar jack Jackson with two MVPs at his age with the numbers that he has put up the winning percentage that he has and the style that he has played it in I think is a Super Bowl championship away from being in the conversations with the great quarterbacks of all time not at the top or even particularly near it yet but he starts being placed in historical perspective So that's an enormous level of pressure.
If he doesn't, then the narrative that he can't win the big one will continue. It stayed with Peyton Manning until he finally won the big one, and I think it stays with Lamar.
I actually brought that up to Jeff Saturday on Get Up this morning because I think there are real similarities there. Manning was so dominant in regular seasons and then wasn't able to win playoff games.
I was at the game that they lost to the Jets, 41-0 in the playoffs, that Manning had never gotten out of the first round. And I was hosting a show then, Mike and Mike, in which the topic was, Peyton Manning can't win the big one.
That's where Lamar is. Until he wins the big one, that's going to be the conversation.
Josh Allen, I think because he has accomplished a little less in the regular season than Lamar, you would place him a half a step below that. But he also is playing to be recognized at the very top of all of this.
So I guess if you made me pick one, I would say the one under the most pressure is Lamar jackson but in their own ways i think all three of them have an enormous amount at stake in particular mahomes who i think has the most to gain yeah there's certainly pressure as an nfl quarterback but whenever you're talking about historic perspective it takes it to another level all eyes will be on that do you have an ap vote i don't i don't I don't have a vote for anything I actually still vote in the NBA they gave me a vote when I was hosting the NBA show and I and and so I continue to vote in the NBA I do not have any votes um I believe Alan is going to win I assume you're going to ask me who I think is going to win MVP I think Alan is going to win in large part because it's a narrative award. It just feels like it's his turn.

I was covering the NBA.

Michael Jordan should have won the MVP.

See, MVP is a flawed way to judge a player's greatness when you look back on it.

Because look how many MVPs LeBron James has.

Look how many MVPs Michael Jordan has.

You tell me how many times they were actually the best player in the league. Are you kidding? So this thing is a narrative.
It sort of becomes someone's turn. I feel like it's Allen's turn because this was a year Buffalo is supposed to dip and they haven't because he's been so ridiculously good for so long and hasn't won it because Lamar won it just a year ago.
Even though Lamar's numbers, everything about his performance has been better than it was a year ago i think it's alan's turn and thus i think he will win it and that i think is one of the flaws with the mvp award it in all sports there's a lot of narrative attached to it which is fine but it means that when we look back on a player's career counting up their mvps is not a great way to judge how great they were. Well, that's legitimately how it is judged, though.
Whenever people start talking Hall of Fames, and I don't know the NBA as well as I know the NFL, but as soon as they start putting resumes up for guys that are finalists for the Hall of Fame, it's like, here's how many MVPs, here's how many Defense Player of the Year, how many championships. I think those, obviously, matter a lot more, but the MVPs are held in the same regard of us as championships.

And what did

Acho tell us to remember whenever we're talking

about this entire thing? Was it

be consistent? No, he was saying

we're having two different conversations. People are having

two different conversations. It's valuable

or it's best. It's not the same

thing. Make sure everybody's having the same

discussion. I think somewhere in there

he also said just be consistent. Alright, we're in the facility now, obviously.
Shout out Greeny for joining us. Let's go to a man who does have an AP vote and is never going to get it right and is a part of the problem if you will.
Go ahead, Tony. That's 100% true, but Greeny, watching Get Up this morning, what a wonderful program you guys have and learned about this video from Get Up this morning.
It was Jerry Jones talking about Mike McCarthy and mccarthy and his contract and interviewing i'll just you know what i'll let jerry talk because you know we can't talk for jerry jerry is the reality where mike is back with a different offensive play home well anything anything is possible and uh because of uh contract status the guy behind him uh you know most the fans that I have, most of the fans want everybody to be on the incentive plan. Everybody wants it to be on the incentive plan.
And so the more you can have the incentive plan, to me, the better you've got the way sports is aligned with sports and the goal of having an accomplishment, and you align that with the financial end of it. For instance, I might say, look, I'm going to pay you this much, but then I'll pay you not any more, and I know you want twice that.
Okay. But if you get to the playoffs or you win a Super Bowl, I'll give you five times that.
Oh, you play 75%. But the guy across the street might- Fans are wrapping their arms around it from behind him.
Exactly, and then you've got a decision. You've got a decision, for sure.
I'm a Kleenex. How could you know that if he's not allowed to talk to you? He's a great actor's a great actor, though.
I would say go talk. He told Mike McCarthy to go talk.
I really would. Go talk.
I just let Zeke do that. Gotcha.
Just sign with Chargers. I don't want anybody here.
That's not healthy to have somebody around that wants to be someplace else. Really, it's not.
And there's too many ways for everybody to go to be around where you don't want to be. Of course.
Yeah, so Greedy, so when Jerry's saying, you know, it's not good to have guys around who want to, does he know that he hasn't given Mike McCarthy an extension or a contract and he does have to give him permission to go talk, or is he just going to hold him in limbo forever? Look, it's so hard to have this conversation because I don't want things to sound disrespectful. I think all of us know less about football for having listened to those 45 seconds.
There's literally nothing that he just said that made any sense at all. There are so many things the fans would like, but it's just not the way the sport has ever been yes there are incentives and oh by the way the cowboys actually just made sure that their backup quarterback cooper rush i did not i did not know that they told me that yeah the game i was trying to everybody's calling 250 000 incentive um so so none the things he just said, and again, I hate this to sound as disrespectful as us.
Literally none of it made sense. Okay, there's not one thing he just said that made sense.
So it's very hard to react to any part of it. Here's what I will say.
If you want to suggest that what he's doing has, that there's a plan involved in what he's doing then the way it would make sense and i i don't think that this is what's actually happening but here's how it would make sense is if you're trying to have your cake and eat it too which is to say you have someone in mind that you want to see if you can get them and if you can't get them you want to bring mike mccarthy back and't you can't bring back McCarthy until you you don't want to bring back officially bring that McCarthy until you find that out so let him go count on the fact that if he goes and interviews in Chicago or New Orleans or whatever it is that if you tell him you want him back that he will come back that he'll want to stay where he's been and he won't want to leave the Dallas Cowboys because of all of the things that come with being the Dallas Cowboys and so if there's someone in mind and I don't know who that would be but that could be anyone from Ben Johnson to Deion Sanders to once upon a time I thought it would have been Bill Belichick but that obviously ship has sailed or whoever it might be Steve, Steve Sarkeesian, anyone who it is, you have it in your mind, if I could get that guy, I will hire him and not bring back McCarthy. That's the way this would make sense.
Now, the timing of it probably has no chance of working. And again, I'm probably giving them much, much, much too much credit for having an actual plan when there's been no evidence at any point in the last year that they've had one but that would be the only way in the world that this the way they're handling this would make sense to me and i think i read a quote and once again it's on the internet so who knows if it's real somebody asked jerry if he's ever going to go hands off and pass the team on and he said i didn't buy the cowboys as an investment i bought it as something to do like this is my job for the rest of my life like he's going to be in there until the wheels fall off and people are wondering if that has happened you know especially with how the team has gone and big mike mccarthy in this coaching cycle could be a hot commodity because he's a culture builder right aj i never played for him but he is a guy that i think we're spinning back into hey we need somebody that's able to get toughness in here get everybody rowing in the right direction you played for him won a championship with him he referenced that championship in a press conference not too long ago he'll be a good guy in this particular market don't you think age yeah i think he is absolute hot commodity especially like you said how i feel like the league is kind of i don't know in flux to where we're looking at these guys that are culture builders.
They are like, hey, this guy's the boss. He knows how to set things and get us in the right place, move in the right direction.
So I think Big Mike, it looks good. He's also an offensive guy.
He was a great play caller for a long time, has been. He could call the plays.
He could bring somebody else in. But Greeny, that made me think about that Dallas Cowboys job.
If they move on from Mike McCarthy, some of these guys we hear have are going to have many options different head coaching positions available to them is the Dallas Cowboys job is that as a coveted job as it was before especially if you know Jerry Jones is going to be over your shoulder no matter what no matter what's happening like like that guy with that phone and how and if you could clear up you're a journalist, you know this better than me. Is Jerry Jones doing post-pressers from like 1980s? When did they do everybody's microphone just shoved in mouth and around shoulder? But I'll let you finish.
I apologize. Well, because he doesn't, because the owner doesn't have a press conference after every game.
There isn't a podium set up for him. He just walks down there and stands outside the locker room, and everyone comes in in what they call a scrum.
That's exactly what it is. So it's the most disorganized, ridiculous-looking thing in the world.
The answer to your question, AJ, is in a vacuum, that's a terrible job. If you took the star off the helmets it would be a bad job it's not a great roster it figures to probably get a little worse before it gets better they're paying a quarterback all the money in the world who i think is very good but there are like five guys in the whole league who i think are genuinely worth what they're paying dac prescott and he isn one of them if you could give me josh allen or joe burrow or mahomes or lamar maybe one or two other guys that are just on a whole other level so i don't think that's a good i don't think that's a good situation for winning as far as the roster immediately and the whole the jerry of it all i think would be a detriment almost anyone would look at that as a downside not an upside however there's just something to be said for the dallas cowboys i they're so glamorous they get so much attention look how famous you become just being a part of that now you know mccarthy i don't he may not give a damn about that stuff but some people will um And so I don't think jerry would have a hard time getting himself a coach of some repute now if you're ben johnson and you're choosing a spot if you're you know insert whoever else it is you want is that would that be your first choice i'd be surprised if it was i heard you say prime obviously his connection with jerry jones is one that we would monitor you said sark as well i didn't know sark was getting nfl looks so if you on sunday nfl countdown adam schefter ran through and and so this stuff kind of got buried adam schefter ran through a whole list you guys could dig up the tape of it i wish i could remember what time it was it was in the second hour of the show so he ran through the whole list of these are the coaches that we're keeping an eye on today i think this one's in i think this one's out i think this one's in i think this one's out and that got all of the leaning out leaning in leaning out exactly that whole stick and parenthetically so far he's been right about every single one of them he told me day ball was coming back he told me steikin was far, he's been right about every single one of them.
He told me Dayball was coming back. He told me Steichen was coming back.
He's been right about everything that he said that day, as an aside. He then said two other things that got very little attention because everyone was keeping an eye on Dayball and Steichen and all of these other coaches.
He said teams are going to call the Steelers to see if they would be willing to entertain the possibility of trading Mike Tomlin and he said expect Steve Sarkeesian to be a person whose name you hear at some point in NFL coaching conversations now we didn't bring that part of the soundbite back because it was literally, he said it in like four seconds. He didn't expand on it, and we moved on to other things.
But he threw that name out there. Now, if you're Steve Sarkeesian, are you trying to parlay more money, whatever the case is? I don't know.
This is not my area of expertise. But that name came up from Adam up from adam shefter who in my opinion is the most credible person in the entire industry when it comes to to collecting nfl news so he wouldn't say it on the air if there if there wasn't something to it so i think i think it is a conversation that is being had somewhere i don't know by who i like the way sark communicates every time he comes day, he's awesome.
Feels like his team's obviously loaded with talent. They're in the semifinals.
They've had a couple losses, but they've been able to bounce back. His offenses have been awesome to watch.
Pro-style offenses got people ready in there. That'd be intriguing.
So you've got Prime out of Colorado. You've got Sark out of Texas potentially going in.
Wasn't Lincoln Riley's name there for a little bit being tossed around? Cowboys. The Cowboys last year.
USC happened. Speaking of USC, Heisman winner up there, Caleb Williams is without a head coach.
Ty has the last question for you. We appreciate all your time today, Greeny.
Yeah, Greeny. Always a pleasure.
The Bears actually reached out and won an interview with McCarthy. With your Chicago ties We heard that their kind of hiring committee or search committee is like 30 people or something like that to decide their next head coach.
What do you ultimately think the Bears are going to do, and is there any way that they get this right? No. I mean, history tells, history suggests it's very unlikely, and I haven't heard any of these yet, but right before I came on with you guys, I got an email from the GetUp staff that apparently all of the decision-making people in Chicago talked today, which means George McCaskey, who was the owner, Kevin Warren, who was the team president, and Ryan Poles, who was the general manager.
And from what I can glean, all three of them had different versions of how this decision is going to get made, which would be a perfect microcosm of what is wrong with that franchise and has been forever. Look, here's the reality.
It's a pretty good team. They have a lot of good players.
I think Caleb Williams is stunningly gifted. I think he has, under the right circumstances, he could be an unbelievably good player.
They just need to get this right. And that person, again, it doesn't have to be an offensive guy.
Everyone in Chicago wants them to hire Ben Johnson. Just because Ben Johnson is a brilliant offensive coordinator, which he obviously is, may be the best we've seen come along in the league in a while.
It doesn't mean he'd be a great head coach. It doesn't mean you have to get him as your head coach.
You can, as I said about the Jets, hire a great leader. If that's Mike McCarthy, I'm all in.
Hire a great leader and then bring in someone who runs an offense that is perfectly suited to the talents. Don't try and jam a round, square, whatever the hell it is.
A square peg, round hole thing. I always get that wrong.
I never get that thing right. Look at the skill set.
This is something I can't do. You guys would have a much better chance of doing it than I would, and the people running the Bears have to be the ones who do this.
Look at exactly what Caleb Williams does well, and then bring in someone who's going to run the offense that is going to take advantage of those things build an offense around what he does don't bring in shane waldron who is going to bring his own offense in and try and teach it to caleb williams and that was obviously a square peg and a round hole and whatever it was and it was a freaking disaster bring in someone who was going to run i would be taking i would have it in i would say show me your plan for caleb williams tell me why this is going to work and then i would hire the person who gives me the best answer to that okay and they need to run the rock they need who's going to get in there and build up the offensive line the trenches because they're in chicago as bill belichick pointed out and who's going to be able to run run the Rock. We appreciate you so much for your time, brother, legitimately.
Guys, happy new year. It's been too long since we've said a chance to say hello, but I hope we'll do it again soon.
The playoffs should be great. Absolutely.
And Connor has been wondering this entire program. Yeah, Greeny, look, you're much smarter than me, and I'm very dumb, but what's this in-a-vacuum shit? D-Buck kind of put together a good diagram is is that what you're saying i don't understand do you seriously want me to explain this to you or that's all of us please i don't think i'm really gonna say you're getting sucked up so as you're getting sucked up it's all kind of uh it's all there's no there's no sucking involved in this there's no sucking involved in this analogy so what it means is that if if uh yeah if you just take kayla williams and drake may let's if we use them as the example i think that's where this first came up yeah it's the first time absent any other circumstance oh vacuum sealed right absent the coaching absent the talent around him, absent the weather, absent all those things.
In a black hole. In a black hole, which is also another word for that is a vacuum.
Yes, exactly. A vacuum is not only the thing that you use to clean up the carpet.
It is also that. It is also something that has no atmosphere in it.

So if you remove all of the other elements, and you said I could have either Caleb Williams or Drake May, I would take Caleb Williams.

But when you insert the elements, I think Drake May looks already like he has advanced beyond Caleb Williams.

And I fear the nonsense that went on in chicago this year will actually set caleb williams back we'll be back tomorrow here on espn we continue on the internet be a friend tell a friend something nice okay great exit out of you there we're still live youtube hell yeah hell yeah youtube espn plus and tiktok live which i think is gonna survive let's a lot of that around here. My phone is doing that.
My phone is, I just gave you a thumbs up and my phone is thumbs up. See what else it does.
I'm not doing that. I'm not doing anything.
That thumbs up is just coming up by itself. I think if you do fake fireworks with your fingers, fireworks will pop up too.
You want to try it? So I've seen it like this. It's a terrible thing.
It's like this. Is that what fireworks, how does one do fireworks with their hands? I don't know.
I think if you do a sprinkler, it starts raining on that thing. You want to give that a go? You just want me to do stupid-looking dances.
I understand what's going on now. I did.
I did. That was on me.
When you talk about a vacuum, and you talk about a white hole, black hole,

or white hole, white hole, whatever.

We all know. Whatever one.

I don't want to label anything.

In a vacuum, that is how that...

You're talking about whenever it's vacuum sealed,

it's isolated. Then whenever you add other things,

you're talking about that vacuum.

Because that vacuum has a lot of shit.

A lot of shit and adversity in there.

There's a lot of adversity in there. That is a great drawing.
It's plugged in. The other time he used it was with the Cowboys when he was saying, if you just look at the rosters in a vacuum, you take away the star, you take away America's team.
You were given an answer when you said, and everything else about it. Everything else.
It's going to be on primetime every single week regardless. You've got players that do stuff.
I mean, all that type of stuff. stuff the second time you said in a vacuum i watched this guy's head explode right over here and he didn't listen to a word you said going forward and as you were on the full screen we're all looking at it like what are you talking about he's like vacuum i don't and then this drawing came i'm happy you cleared it up for us because we were all very very much wondering and you said repute iute, I believe, as well.
That's a good word. That's a good word.
Repute is a good word. What does that mean? Meaning of some repute? Like meaning of like a, it is short for reputation, like someone who is reputed to be good, his reputation is good.
He's supposed to be good. Repute is a form of the word reputation or maybe reputation is a form of the word repute it is the way you are judged the way people view you so you are held in high repute you are reputed to be a genius like a crazy genius wow um you you are you are and and i would i wanted to say this to you i should have sent you a note to say this to you.
But I paid you the highest compliment that I've paid anyone in a very long time. When someone sent, I saw the ratings for college game day were the highest they had ever been.
And I said, I can tell you exactly why that is. That is because Pat McAfee understood the assignment.
That show, which has been one of the most important things we did. Look, I've been ESPN 28 years.
When I die someday, the four letters ESPN are going to be next to my name. It matters to me.
All this stuff matters to me. And College Game Day has been among, I mean, on the short list of the most important and best things that ESPN has ever done.
And the jolt that you gave it this year, like the shot in the arm, this whole kicking field goals thing, and just your general craziness is exactly what the show needed. It was like a renaissance.
It was like a rebirth. Which is not to say it wasn't great already, but can be great and be made greater and um and so i i meant to send you a note because i was having that conversation with someone when i was on vacation and i forgot to do it so what the hell i'll just say it here but thank you thank you it was a great it was an incredible it was an incredible testament to what you and i think sabin too i think sabin also brings um there's just a he brings an element that literally no one else could like there was a credibility and the way you guys have loosened him up and made him as as accessible as he's ever going to be like he's only ever going to be so accessible but but you've made him as accessible a human being as i think he's capable of being.
And so the show has just been, it's been like, it's been a delight to watch. It has been a delight to see what that's done.
And it's great for us. And anything that's great for us makes me happy.
Man, that's very kind of you to say, obviously, we don't get a lot of compliments from people at ESPN. So coming from one of the most important people in the history of sports media, I thank you.
And it means a lot when you say that. But the second name that you brought up there, Saban, has been so awesome.
Because obviously, Dez has been doing this 20 years. I love Dez.
I absolutely love Dez McHour. Reese Davis is like the consummate professional, so smooth.
He knows everything about everything. And then Kirk down there, 28 years I think he's been on College college game day so it's like he is baby coach corso obviously still doing the the head or the the headgear and everything like that is a big deal but what coach absolutely but coach saban coming on there has been so much fun like he has because it he says something it's hard just like to dispute it you know it's hard to be like okay the greatest of all time you said that on this particular take so i enjoy like having fun and bantering with him and also i think this year getting a chance to go to dinners with him on friday night i think he appreciates that uh you know i like to remind him of who the fuck he is too like i like to tell him you know like hey you're nick saban in here because he wants to get better he's a guy that like we're talking film study on himself we're talking film study on tv we're talking about taking notes we're talking watching teams we're talking about wanting and get better like that's who he is i think he he's always talked about it to his players and now he's trying to practice what he preached like hey you gotta buy in you gotta learn you gotta commit you gotta focus and that's like how he is wired him and miss terry i think they can completely transform their lives for him to become a person you talk about understanding the assignment and it's just been an absolute honor to ride alongside of nick saban this year and he's been so good on tv he's been he's gonna win more awards on tv somehow than he did in college ball it's been a blast i've been i've been lucky to be up there and i've been enjoying it that field goal kicking contest you know it was expensive this year it was it was expensive it was worth every penny i mean it it's it's so much fun it's the first thing everyone mentions on saturday did you see the kid did he make it did he miss it all that kind of stuff just a great it's just a great idea look that everything is everything has been great and i will confess that while you were talking there i was distracted for a moment because on your crawl it actually said and the fact that that this actually needs to be said aloud is so ridiculous woody johnson says his 17 year old son has no official role in the organization the fact that the owner of an nfl team actually has to come out and say that is so hilarious it would be like that that literally is like a skit like i don't know if the onion still exists but did the satirical newspaper the onion is that still a thing that's what that that athletic article read like that it did yeah it absolutely did that did.
That's why people probably think that it's really greeny interviewing the BDGM. Yeah, we put that on the ticker, too.
It's not actually you. I mean, the Jets are perfect.
The Jets are in a good spot. This is where you need to be.
Remember, the sun is brightest after the darkest dawn. You guys have had a lot, a lot of dark dawns.
And I can't wait to see the sunrise for you, for the Jets. And we appreciate the hell greenie all right guys good to see you happy new year i'll see you soon hey how was hanukkah we lit the uh we lit the norah here in town do we do a crazy nights do we give a bunch of gifts you and stace how do how do we handle it you're welcome to um we don't uh we i'm not a religious person so we don't do that we we we that's never been my thing but um but i enjoyed the hanukkah song by adam sandler very much oh yeah so uh we know we don't do that we don't have a menorah or that we don't have a christmas tree either but we do sort of celebrate i i consider the holidays do something you know what i! You gotta do something, Greedy! He was on with you guys.
I'm a big fan of that Nate Bargatze. And he's very funny.
I went to see him at Radio City. I had never heard of him before, and friends of mine got tickets and said, this guy's really funny.
And so Stace and I just went. And that was the famous night actually you guys can settle an argument for me stace got mad at me because she said i was laughing

too loudly and i said you can't laugh too loudly at a comedy show like i think the comedian that's

the whole idea here is that he wants you to laugh loudly i don't think he's sitting there thinking

boy i wish that guy would not laugh so much but anyway hold on hold on hold on hold on yeah

Now, let's see. here is that he wants you to laugh loudly i don't think he's sitting there thinking boy i wish that guy would not laugh so much but anyway hold on hold on hold on yeah did bargetsy acknowledge the obnoxiously loud laugh and did stacy no no no i wasn't it's radio city musical is a big place if you've ever been there it holds like 3 000 people and we were not that close to the stage so he probably didn't even hear me but he was suggesting that i was ruining it for the people around us you're laughing at a comedian you're ruining it no if you speak at a comedian you're ruining it for everybody else which we have experienced here in indianapolis a few different times did you see your friend nate bargetsy on netflix his new special i don't know if that was the same show he did it no nate bargett so he did a thing on was it on netflix or on cbs we did like a christmas special no so where not he played joseph the angel and and it was very funny and that that was how this all tied into what i was how i was answering your question that he was making a joke about how so many things about the holiday season really have nothing to do with religion and that's sort of how i approach them like i enjoy the holiday spirit i enjoy the family time i enjoy the exchanging of gifts and all that sort of stuff in it it doesn't have it doesn't necessarily have a religious connotation for me so you're giving an amen you know in the middle of that entire thing is nate speaking about it the your friend nate bargetti stand-up special on Netflix right now? Oh, that's his stand-up.
He's so good. I think the guy is fantastic.
I am a huge fan. A lot of amen.
Whenever he, I mean, it is. Oh, I also loved, by the way, are we still on or are we just talking? We're on the internet.
We're on the internet. We're on the internet.
Okay. I loved Chalamet on there with you.
And that was a great... So my son, as you may or may not know, is an aspiring actor.
He's a senior in college and he wants to be an actor. And Chalamet is his idol.
Like, he just thinks... He loves that guy.
And so we were all excited in my house to see Chalamet on with you. And I will admit, I went in with low expectations.
Me as well. And I thought he was terrific, and I thought you were terrific with him.
Thank you. That's very kind of you.
I had very low expectations because I didn't know how he tied into the SEC championship. I'm like, it's a big deal down here.
We're going to have... And then, as I learned, like the two days before game day, he is a huge college football fan.
Also knows college game day very well. And then whenever I was like, would he want to be a part of the kick? They were like, Timmy would love to be a part of the kick or whatever.
So he was game for everything. And his notes that he had and what he prepared for, he was amazing.
I watched the movie because i don't think i would have watched the movie but i was like so impressed by him the human and the way he handled everybody because there's a lot of people there that are huge fans of his obviously your son is a huge fan but there's a lot of uh ladies you know young ladies that are massive fans of timothy's the way he was just like so cool and the way he operated was, I'm like is a dude this is a guy and he was i uh you're right he was fantastic he was awesome and he he held that chair for me and i'm very thankful they did that bob dylan movie was so good you're a bob dylan guy though right yes so but also him himself like was incredible as bob dylan i feel like he's gonna be good at everything yeah i feel like that's gonna i think that's he's one of the next guys yeah he's on al-gaib yeah he was knighted by a little b the bass guy i don't know if you guys know heard that oh yeah i remember that yeah he's all right i i have to give up this room so i'm actually at my at my at the club that i go to after work and i told them i needed the room for like 10 minutes and there are people standing outside outside the door. All right.
Well, good luck out there. Please tell them we'd like to become members someday.
Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Greenberg. Yeah, I told him 10, 20 minutes.
That was an hour and 10 minutes. What kind of club is that? That's probably so nice.
You know what type of club that is. Like a non, it's obviously, it's not a golf club.
He's in the city. He's got to put his mask back on.
Get out there. Oh.
Hey, we went into one of those. Yeah, I was going to say that might be the same one.
For a birthday party. Yeah.
Like, I don't even know what type of club that is. Highest of high society I've ever been to.
Yeah. Yeah.
Had to check in at the front. Social club.
Yeah. Social club is what they call it.
You got to put a little sticker on your camera thing? Cover it? No phones, No phones, yeah. No phones at all.
Take your chip. What are you thinking this is? Oh, you guys talking like the Elks Lodge.
Very similar. Yeah, I think it is like the Elks.
American Legion. American Legion, good time for birthday parties.
It's Italy. Back in the day.
I think it's like that. Tying Club.
Tying Club was a good spot. I'll tell you.
How is the running of Tying Club doing right now? It's thriving. It's never been better.
Are they in season? Bocci's season right now? No, I don't think they're in season. Are they taking on the pepperones? Actually, I think 12 months of the year is in season, to be honest.
How's coach doing? Is he rolling a good ball right now? I'm not sure. I don't talk to him much about it.
Why not? He gets real snippy when I talk to him about it. Well, don't be talking about the Italian club.
Maybe he needs to send some pepperoni rolls to the office to get his good juju. Yeah, maybe he needs to start sending some Italian stuff back to the Thunderdome that used to happen and now no longer happens.
What's that all about? I mean, to be honest, I don't talk to him much about anything anymore because he calls me, and unless my daughter's there, he hangs up. Coach! Coach, you better be rolling a good fucking boccia ball right now if he's sour operating.
Got no rolls, no pepperoni rolls. No pumpkin.
No linguine. No prosciutto.
No gianna. No mozzarei.
No buffalo mozzarella. No provolone.
What is this? Do diehard Italians have different rules to bocce where they think other people are amateurs? It's the surface that they're playing on. If you do recall, Coach was pissed off about the Penn Hills pepperones, the rocks that they had on the court, the bocce court.
They said it was not an elite bocce. It's like a long field.
It's like a team that grows their grass really long. Say, we're going to slow these guys down.
They're trying to even the field. Not just slow them.
You get a little bump in it because they rake it in that whole thing. If there's a little bit of a bump, when you're trying to get it close to something, you don't have a...
It takes a skill out of it. Yeah, it does.
What's the ideal surface for Bocce? Well, if you're a good thrower? I mean, yeah. You want just completely smooth.
Smooth. Just completely smooth.
Fast track. So like asphalt, hardwood.
It's like gravel. Yeah, but you just want smooth.
If it's not smooth, it kind of gifts the people. All the same size rocks too.
You can't have bigger rocks mixed in throughout. That's Mickey Mouse.
A lot of bocce down in South Florida? No. A lot of Italians down there? Yeah, there is.
Maybe I'm just not around. I actually saw my first bocce game this past summer in upstate New York.

How was it?

Awesome.

It is intense.

It was very, very intense.

What was their surface?

Clay?

Oh, I don't know.

I'm just thinking like that green was a little bigger in that area,

but it was kind of up on the stage.

I would assume it was.

That sounds like a mouse.

Some places use field turf.

Clay? It was indoors. Clay's real nice.
Field turf ain't bocce. No.
That's what I'm asking. The only picture I saw was from the fucking 1930s that y'all popped.
No, that's what it is. That's kind of a part of the whole thing.
You got to experience the throwback. And that's part of the bocce community.
And that's why they're're writing a tie-in club i don't know what their name of their bocce team is do you know what the name of their yeah they're the uh fight and don't do it what is the name do you remember fighting gabagos no i don't think it was anything about the d no it starts with it does it start with a g or a d i thought it it was D. It might be G.
Yeah. Was it Diablos? No, I don't think they were saying devil.
Guidos? D-A. Might have been.
Was it that one? Was it Guidos? Could have been. Or was it the other one? It was.
Rhymes with the drink. The Faygo, I believe.
You know what? Oh, How'd Your Day Go? Yeah, Big Go.

I think that's the name of the team, the Fighting.

How'd Your Day Go's?

Whoa, that's not what I said.

That is.

That is what you said.

That's what you said.

No, I said How'd Your Day Go.

He threw an S on it.

Well, that's because they're a team.

ES.

That's because there's multiple days.

You have to ask about it.

Yeah, but he can't say that.

They're an ES on the end, like goes.

But they were taking on the Penn Hills Pepper Runs. Yeah.
And this is... These aren't real names.
Oh, yeah? D-Butch. D-Butch? You do not want to be dancing.
A lot to learn. Okay, you do not want to be dancing in the East Hills of Pittsburgh Bocce League.
Okay, these paisans can roll ball and they can get pissed off. And the Pennelope Perones, what they did to the track?

The Rent and the Dying Club fighting.

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Did you see that? I did see that. It's great to see you guys.
Well, I guess not you guys, but some questions being thrown to the Hulkster. He seemed to be very open and honest.
So, yeah, that was very cool. What a situation that is just so easy to make fun of last night.
And obviously... I was watching live.
I was watching live. And I'm like, all right, who's run the board? Who's trying to figure out the audio? What goes to Netflix? What doesn't? I wonder what it was like in person.
But honestly, though, for that situation, the Hulkster handled it well. I don't know what I would have done.
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And just stared it right back. And just going.
It was... I think he said that he thought it was going to be 50-50, I believe.
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Now, if you listen to the press conference happening in the first hour, there is a chance there will be Jimmy Hart and... Nah, Jimmy's doing his job.
I mean... Yeah, maybe they're saying Hulk Hogan.
There's a chance. And I saw on the internet a lot of people were saying, maybe they're saying we want some ice cold, real American brews.
You know, because that's what beers are called. There is a chance that was it.
But, I mean, you know, Hulkster, whenever he starts campaigning for a presidency and drops into the political world, he knows that he's going to piss off people. He just said it was too important for him not to get involved uh i that crowd last night with the way that place is built because it's built like virginia tech it's built like seattle seahawks it's awesome it's built like four sound he was loud in there so whatever he i did not expect honestly i was mine i was taking back fucking hulksters here holy shit i hulk hogan's here i i had no that was the case.
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And then, you know, Cole's like. Good crowd all night.
All night. They were very loud.
And I guess there was some people within WWE that thought that was potentially possible possible sure you know but to your point hulk i got out there let me tell you something and they're like we don't want to hear yeah yeah he's like i'm gonna tell you anyways and uh that's professionalism because to your point i won't be able to handle it you know i wouldn't i put myself in his shoes and i was like oh no like i don't think i'm equipped I'm equipped to handle that. Dominic Mysterio, for instance, he has next level.
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I thought he was going to get his girl back. Swift kick.
Get his girl back. Yeah, right.
Yeah, right. That scumbag.
He's mommy. Back to mommy.
Yeah, he got kicked right in the nuts. What a great punt, too.
Oh, yeah. Remember, in Aussie Rules football, they grow up having a kick.
Rhea, insane athlete from Australia. Yeah.
She's been doing that for a long time. It looked pure.
Oh, yeah. I mean, boom, bang, pow.
But whenever he's talking, they don't even let him get a word out. And they boo him.
And then he stops because he's all upset, obviously. And then he goes back and it gets louder.
Same thing was kind of happening. And Hogan just kept going.
Dom can never finish his sentences. No.
Hogan got through the entire thing. And Michael Cole said, we wouldn't be here without Hogan.
I mean, you watch some documentaries on the WWWF. It's like when the hulkster was oh yeah going around that theme song that theme song alone is just yeah legit and you know the whole him and andre the giant just like building the company pretty much and then obviously what it has become and gone on to is a whole different level but it was uh yeah i that was pretty phenomenal.
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There are some countries that just choose, you know, not to bathe. And those countries suck.
Yeah, they do. Those countries are a place that you don't want to go.
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in a Cotton Bowl, and then Penn State-Notre Dame down there in Miami, $601.

Miami's way down there, obviously.

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$2,700 average resale price for the national championship.

Now, depending upon who wins, this kind of happens with Super Bowl tickets depending upon who wins you know a lot of people in Texas right now Ohio State Penn State Notre Dame are all buying national championship tickets or they were at least I don't know what the ticket price was a week ago or two weeks ago hoping that their team makes it if their team doesn't boom they're going toll them. So I assume that price is going to go down because there's going to be a lot more tickets that are about to come into the market after this particular set of semifinal games is done.
But you're talking about four very powerful, very big, very wealthy fan bases here in this entire thing. That only sets up for good business whenever you're talking about this type of shit.
Absolutely. I'm wondering what would be the ideal game for, I guess, networks, viewership.
Notre Dame. Notre Dame versus somebody.
Ohio State, Notre Dame. Either or.
Texas is huge, too. Notre Dame, Texas would be massive.
All of them have huge alumni base. That's the thing.
All these schools have alumni with cash everywhere in the world. So I think I just saw Kirk Herbstreet on three with – Andy Staples.
And it was great. He was saying a lot of things.
He complimented me and Saban in one of the videos. I haven't been able to see the whole podcast.
I think it's happening today, like right now. I think it's potentially taking place.
But he chitchatted about how a lot of people attack him in ESPN for like an SEC bias. And I think that's because a lot of guys have a lot of respect for the sec teams and obviously we're down there and everybody's like well espn has the sec deal they have deals of fucking espn is trying to get deals with they obviously have the entire college football playoff so if it was just espn caring and making decisions they would want the biggest fan bases to be in every single big game that's exact That's the only thing they would want if that's all they were thinking about.
I think ESPN loves college ball. That's why they've invested so much.
That's why people have invested their entire lives towards college ball. So I think whenever Kirk gets attacked for his SEC bias, even though he leaves out Tennessee and that thing, he takes it to heart because he just wants college ball to have its best in his eyes.
Now, everybody own different eyes and in this particular season any team could have beat anybody it really felt like that from the jump and i think that's what it's going to be going forward with the transfer portal nil there's a lot more parity you know i think there's going to be a lot more upsets technically i think there's going to be a lot of smaller teams going on a big run out of nowhere because they get a good draft class sorry recruiting class that they bring in through the transfer portal and they're able to go on a run. Arizona State, I mean, they could have been in the semifinals whenever they're projected to win four games.
Last team in the Big 12 because of the transfer portal and getting guys in there in a couple years, turning it around and making it big. But it's like these four teams, if ESPN was to be projecting it, and it's only one SEC team, and this SEC team just joined joined it it's like these fan bases are fucking gigantic i mean it is penn state obviously all over the place notre dame is the entire globe pretty much that's why the nbc deal has been its own they have operated in a unique anomaly situation for so long in big time sport and big time business because of how big their fan base is ohio state how many undergrad aj right like 55k i think i think it's even more this year i think it's closer to 60 70 if we looked it up earlier so you got a lot of alumni of ohio state and the entire state of ohio are buckeye people so it's like that fan base is huge anytime ohio state is involved in anything number massive i mean that is just the fact of the matter i've the only reason why i know that is because we i've had a chance to be in this world where they're telling you ratings like everything ratings rating what are they how's nielsen now i don't know ratings ratings ratings ratings ratings anytime ohio state's a part of it huge anytime texas is a part of it huge penn state notre dame part it's like these are four gigantic football universities and uh i assume these numbers are going to be insane so on these uh on these ratings or sorry texas and penn state are both 42 000 ish 43 000 i just looked it up high state is 66,000 undergrad population this year in the Notre Davis.
Notre Dame. Just undergrad.
Let alone everybody go into the medical schools. Do you know whose medical schools those are over there and stuff at Ohio State? What do you mean? No, I don't mean Ohio State medical schools? Yeah, I see.
Like what, the buildings are named? Yeah. Each building has a different name.
No, each building had the same schools? Yeah. Yeah, I see them.
Like what, the buildings are named? Yeah. Yeah, they're on.
Oh, each building has a different name. No.
No, each building had the same name, actually. We were driving on this side of the street and on this side of the street.
Yeah, we saw them all. You remember that? Yeah.
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Anyways, you get it. A lot of people.
All these schools. So as we look ahead to calling both of them on the sideline, let's think about how incredibly lucky we are about the history that's about to be fucking made.
I cannot believe we get a chance to be a part of these. Thursday, Miami, Friday, Dallas, Texas.
Hopefully. What's going on here? So there's...
They're supposed to get like a foot of snow. Yeah, like 15 inches up there.
Thursday into Friday. They don't have any salt down there either, do they? No, they don't.
Remember that Super Bowl down in Dallas? The Steelers were a part of it. There was like lawsuits and stuff because people couldn't prepare.
I was there. We couldn't get to practice.
Oh, you were there for that? Yeah, I was in that Super Bowl. Yeah, it snowed like the day before we got there.
And they even said, hey, we don't really have trucks or salt. So whatever you see, we're just going to mash down with our cars and our buses and keep it moving that's always the best option too you know that matted down snow and ice is always what you're really looking for in its entirety but yeah i didn't even i didn't even think about the snow being down there and then i saw a doppler oh yeah that shit was purple i think i'm like like you tone? Not much, really? That's what they're more for.
Possibly. Possibly.
We're not God. We don't know.
No, but they are one for one. I was going to say.
They're one for one. Usually in Indiana, it's wrong and they got this snowstorm right.
I was doubting so hard the hype that was coming around this snowstorm earlier this week. It's just nah people were i guess rushing the grocery stores because the way this was being talked about and then all the dopplers are just like blew over an entire portion of the united states of america and you're like hey this is what's going to happen this is what's going to happen and i had to travel obviously on that monday morning which it was right they're like, Sunday afternoon into Monday a.m.
is the worst of this. And my wife, Sam, is obviously like, hey, should you think about this? Because it's not just you that worries about you getting up in the sky and this whole thing.
And I just thought it's all bullshit. I said, Sam, this is all...
A lot of times it is.

As somebody that grew up in a winter place,

this is probably how hurricane people feel.

This is exactly how hurricane season is.

Down in South Florida.

That's how I felt with it.

And then, lo and behold, that Sunday afternoon hit,

and we had committed to a plan by then.

There was no other options because the snow had already started.

It was thick.

It came down, down. I mean, we're talking thick snow snow laid in there i think it would have been great snowball weather uh i'm not sure but it was also cold as shit it was like everything bad cold that could be came and we just were lucky that there was like an hour break whenever we needed to take off to get out of there so we lucked out.
But, yeah, they called their shot on this one.

This was a real deal.

I was not a believer. I was not a believer going into it.
This Dallas one looks a real deal, too. It's a bigger problem, too, because Thursday, obviously, into Friday, that's when we would be traveling.
I just sent a video in from the Weather Channel. We'll be fine.
And around 30 seconds in, 25 seconds in there, looks like they might be calling for like somewhere between 5 and 8 or 12 to 18. 8 to 12.
Can you FaceTime Cantor? Winter Storm Cora. That's what's coming.
They got a name for it? Cora. That seems like such an innocent name.
Oh, look at Cora coming through. Ruined a college football playoff.
Come on. Starting at 12, counting down to one.
Good luck if you can't play a game. They don't want us to count down.
My kids had school canceled today, too. Twice? Really? Well, Monday they didn't have school for some reason.
They would have been canceled. And then today we had no clue.
We didn't even think about it being canceled, and it was, I think, because it's cold and there's still ice in the ground. It's like six degrees.
Do they have to make up for that at the end of this?

Are they doing e-learning?

If they miss a certain amount, if you miss like over four or five days,

yeah, they got to go extra.

Two-hour delay always the greatest.

You wake up and hear two-hour delay.

It's like, what a dream.

What a dream.

I actually tried to get a two-hour delay one time.

Great story.

Took a bucket of water.

Took a couple buckets of water.

We learned where we thought the superintendent lived, and we thought he was the one that was making the decision so we fucking dumped water on this guy's front porch thought for sure he wakes up in the morning walks out there slips we had two hour delay yeah it was the neighbor's house too wasn't the fuck superintendent guy and uh turns out it didn't really snow either so there was no chance of us it was a it was about it was in theory in theory genius idea because two hour delays were the greatest you didn't have to make up for them and all the periods were what yeah you didn't 15 20 minutes and the teachers didn't want to do shit either and if the bad stuff was coming there was a chance you were also getting out early they'd just be like, yeah, fuck it. Whatever.
You gotta get the buses in here. We just got an update from Jim Cantore.
He might be able to call back here soon. He's in the middle of probably tracking Cora.
Seeing where those ladies headed. Because if she causes devastation to CFP...
It's bad news. Cora, come on.
We got ball going on. Big time ball going on.
Down in the state of Texas with Texas being at home. Is Ohio State going to travel? How do we feel about that? Do we think Ohio State fans are going to travel? I think so.
Yeah, I think they'll definitely travel. But, I mean, it is a lot if you think about it.
Like, say, we know how many diehard Ohio State fans are. I mean, I've had cousins that have gotten a second mortgage in their house to go to a bowl game.
So, when you're looking at four games, traveling to go to four games against one was home, that's a of cash you and time that you got to you know commit to so i think there's probably some people that are have wanted to go and they're watching this game they say the second that i know ohio state's winning i'm booking tickets to uh the national championship well think about pasadena rose bowl is expensive the whole operation is expensive it's really far long way really far everything's expensive and it's the rose bowl getting in and out of it expensive so then you win congratulations now you got to go down to dallas for the cotton bowl i think james franklin mentioned something there was uh i don't know if there wasn't as many penn state fans as they thought maybe against boy i uh i forget what it was but he said a lot of our fans i think uh are trying to pick which they did game they want to go to you know so they're kind of getting caught in like uh well if we go down to miami that that's very expensive very far everything down there are we going to use our money for that or are we going to go to this particular game when we think if you ask them what we think we're going to win that game boom that a decision. That definitely happened.
I saw it because it was like 60-40 Boise. And I saw a lot of the Penn State thinking was, hey, we got this one against Boise.
Let's save our money for Miami. So I expect more.
Now, shout out to Boise showing up. Sure.
And also it was on their half of the country and everything like that. But didn't even think about the ripple effects of some of these things.
Like bowl games, people going to bowl games, fans going to bowl games. It's like that's a celebration.
You said talk about leveraging mortgage. It's like that's a big to-do.
Like, hey, we're all going to do this. Now four of them is what Ohio State would have to do.
And then you make it to the national championship, you've got $2,700 waiting on you. It's like, golly, you've got to have some real money to be supporting these teams all of a sudden.
And everybody's doing it for the good of the team. But I think that is something I don't think any of us could have expected coming into this year.
Not to mention when you're buying, like, plane tickets that late, you know, when it's a quick turnaround. And all of a sudden you've got, like, a flight, like, the next week.
Like, that's incredibly expensive. And then the hotels are probably going to jack up hotel prices with everyone coming in.
And then when you get there on the ground, what are you going to do?

You're going to Uber? Those costs are getting spiked.

Eating, drinking.

That all up?

Snorting, shooting.

What was that?

Snorting and shooting?

What are you snorting and shooting, Diggs?

I believe that was from a Tommy Boy when he goes eat, drink, and snorting, and shooting.

It's from Black Sheep.

Black Sheep, thank you.

Chris Farley still holds up. He does.
He would be in this era. Holy shit.
Anytime you hear somebody that knows him talk about him, they're like, this guy. Greatest guy.
And then you watch him, it's like electric. He was so young.
Wasn't he like 33, 35 when he he died he lived though i think that's the story that i heard is he really got after it there for a bit and it's like i think that's a part of why he was so entertaining though because he was 150 miles an hour yeah all time so how do you uh i wish we could have got him longer i wish my eye could have experienced chris farley a bit more what an energy Just what a giver to society in an energetic form. Robin Williams, another one that was.
That came out of nowhere. Yeah.
How does his movies. He did some super serious fucking movies.
Yeah, Google Haunting, Deadpool Society, both hold up. I watched Mrs.
Doubtfire this year. It was pretty good.
Still good. Mrs.
Doubtfire holds up. Yeah.
Flubber. Flubber.
Of course. Brilliant movie.
That was a brilliant movie. Jumanji, the original.
What's that one where he's doctor? Patch Adams. There it is.
He was just saying, hey, come on, let's laugh a little bit. Come on.
I don't know if a lot of it would have worked. I think he really fooled his ex-wife in Mrs.
Doubtfire. Yeah, dude.
Yeah, he's a good actor.

Speaking of good actors, there's somebody that's currently an owner of a team.

Oh, yeah.

And a general manager of a team.

He needs to direct his attention to acting.

Ladies and gentlemen, a future Oscar winner, I believe.

Here's Jerry Jones in Landman. I'm not saying I've done anything right, but I made my mind up long time ago.
I was gonna work with my kids. They're involved in everything.
They're involved in my leasing, oil and gas, real estate. And so when I got to Calmos, I got it so that we could all work together.
I thought I was doing it for them. But the one that got the most out of it was me.
I just know it's not going to be this time, but you're going to be sitting here sometime in the future, laying here sometime in the future. And this room is going to be full of your business associates and the people you've

worked with all your life. And more than likely, your children and family are going to be there because they're your children and your family.
But you could have them there because they're the people you spent your life with, you worked with, you fell down with, you got up with. not just thanksgiving and christmas

that's who you you fell down with, you got up with.

Not just Thanksgiving, Christmas.

That's who you want to be with.

So when that time comes like this,

it's a celebration of your life,

and you're not wishing you'd spend a little more time seeing a few more suns come up.

That's the trick. That's the trick.

That's the trick.

Because that's going to be your glory.

I'm pretty proud of them cowboys.

I'm pretty proud of the stuff we've done in oil and gas.

It pales in comparison to how proud I am to have lived my life working with my kids. You got a chance to do something about that.
I hope you will. And I'll tell you, young man, you're no spring chicken.
And you ought to listen to a little issue yourself. Yes, sir.
Yeah, I'm a few eggs short of spring chicken that's for sure i think a lot of both of you guys feel it's mutual thank you cherry okay don't make me get my rubber glove out boy elgeny i said hi good to see you mr jones holy fuck yeah yeah huh kidding me yeah dude he had a little little twitch in his eye there and then he then he hits a very thanksgiving christmas y'all starts crying there that was wonderful i'm gonna go watch landman because of that legit start watching the show after i sat on our x i saw our x when i'm probably three episodes in great decision he i mean that had to be his speech unless that is somebody else's Unless that is somebody else's script. That's somebody else's script, you think, Ty Schmidt? That's Taylor Sheridan, brother.
Yeah. But it's also Jerry's life.
Do you remember what fucking Jerry just said when he was on? That's Jerry. That's Taylor Sheridan right there.
Now, him being able to deliver it is very impressive. Very impressive, hitting all those beats and everything, but no.
Jerry wouldn't fucking ad-lib in that. No way.
What? Not a chance. Hold on.
Come on now. You're saying, like Nick Saban said, 55th, in the blind side.
Maybe a couple words were his, bingo. Had to have.
More than 50-50. If that's the case, he is maybe the greatest thespian on our fucking band.
Jerry's happy. He was feeling the real feelings.
There might be a chance that Jerry went in and was like, I got this. And then did what he did earlier, just babbling, saying nothing.
And they were like, all right. Taylor was like, that was great, Jerry.
Now why don't you try my version? And then, boom, we get that. Coach Saban told the story this year that blindside, they wrote up a script for how he needs to recruit, you know, Michael Orr.
And he said, all right, I'll read all this. Can I just do it? And then if it doesn't work, I'll read it.
All right. Because they wanted him to say things that I'm sure he got so mad about.
He was probably frustrated i'm not uh that ain't how it goes all right and he ad-libbed ad-libbed a line about some decoration that was on the set sconces yeah i think i think it was something along that like some word to uh sandra bullock right she was the mom of that and they had just like an ad-lib moment on that. That was all Nick Saban.
Then when he sits down, he starts selling. It's just like him doing basically his thing.
I think Coach Saban's a little more with it at the current moment than old Jerry. A speech about life and then trying not to give away your business plans are two different things.
From last year. How awesome was that from Jerry? That was fucking awesome.
I'm telling you, I was starting to get emotional the first time i saw the clip and then i'm like wait jerry's crying too here like it was yeah honestly jerry needs to do some more acting we need to get him into more stuff that's what i'm saying and he said in an interview that this wasn't an investment i'm not just sitting back and watching team this is something to do with my kids you know work with those kids and this entire thing maybe you know jerry let the kids do a little bit more with the cowboys and you focus on being old white guy in movies there's a lot of those needed there's a lot of there's a lot of movies that that is needed and could you imagine these writers who who is this one taylor sheridan okay there's a lot of talented right there's a lot of crop ones too a lot of crop a lot of shite ones but there. A lot of shite ones, but there's a lot of really good ones.
Imagine if they're told, hey, Jerry Jones is available. The things that people would write for Jerry, especially with that, it's like, I think we're looking at a fucking potential Oscar winner.
That was phenomenal. No doubt.
So good. Yeah.
Jer, have people write your scripts for your post-game scrums. I need you.
There you go. Oh, yeah.
If all his roles are about billionaire oil landowners, yeah, I think he's got something there. What's in right now for a lot of this shit, right? In that kind of land is a big deal.
Yeah. This is my territory.
This is my land. Jerry Jones is a this is my land guy.
Yeah. Good luck.
Who's that's gonna be number one. Yeah, and he's expanded role.
Star. That's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying expanded role.

I'm saying.

It'll probably be a spinoff now.

He'll probably get his own spinoff after that.

What is he?

He was good on Hard Knocks, too.

Remember?

He had sandwiches.

Oh, there they are.

Karma, the dude's dong.

That Taylor Sheridan?

Yes.

That wasn't on Hard Knocks.

That was on Jamie Foxx's live.

Different type of Hard Knocks.

Did you watch Jamie Foxx's live?

Netflix?

I saw about 30 minutes of it.

I did as well.

I mean, that was powerful.

Yeah, I heard.

It's not a comedy?

Exactly.

That's what I heard.

Yeah, it's just like him.

I don as well. I mean, that was powerful.

Yeah, I heard it. It's not a comedy?

Exactly, that's what I heard.

Yeah, it's just like him talking.

Him telling the story.

Ted Talk.

Not a comedy special.

Yeah, I thought it was a comedy special.

Yeah.

And then I was like, oh, this dude's very grateful to be alive.

Yeah.

And then you start listening.

It's like, oh, yeah, this is real deal shit here.

And then obviously still Jamie Foxx and her shit talking. Also felt obligated to prove that he's not cloned.
So that was good. Did he prove it? To me? Yeah.
I thought so. Did he drop blood or something? I just impersonated some old characters that he used to do.
It's a good clone if they did it. If they did it, they figured cloning think that was but i think he actually thought about it too like how would you so i was like pretty appreciative of that did some old characters you know nailed it and it's like okay what if he doesn't though just because he's older in that moment yeah i'm not sold oh my god it just nah he's gotta keep jamie bullshit aside, he's probably one of the most talented humans.

Music, acting, stand-up comedy.

He has done it all at an elite level.

He's got a new movie coming out on Netflix in two weeks.

What's it called?

I don't know.

It's him and Cameron Diaz, though.

Cam's back?

What's that?

O'Shea Jackson, Denna Thieves?

Is that a movie?

Yeah, Denna Thieves 2, Pantera.

2 is coming out, yeah.

It's going to be awesome.

Jerry Butler.

He looked cool last night. He did.

Thank you. What's that? O'Shea Jackson Denna Thieves? Is that a movie? Yeah, Denna Thieves 2 is coming out It's going to be awesome

Jerry Butler

He looked cool last night

Him and TJ Jefferson from the Rich Eisen show

Have a wrestling podcast

I forgot the name of it

I think it's like the collect

Gave it a shout out though

I did, wanted to say the name

Just would like to let O'Shea and TJ know that

As it was coming from

Brain to mouth, I quickly realized

Thank you. it with rich eisen rich eisen actually had a pretty good amount of knowledge on uh wrestling a little bit talked about cm punk talked about seth rollins it was pretty nice little thing rich hey they're saying they hate me on that show what's that about we talked about i saw um that one guy said what no there's numerous gerald mccoy had to respond say i don't hate him i like kurt warner had to respond i don't hate him i like him if mooch had an x i think he would have had to respond would have.
A lot of people say it was, a lot is like 10 to 15, but that's more than you would expect to say, wow, these guys fucking hate Matt McAfee coming on this show. And I was like, I don't think that's true.
And I watched some of the clips back. I'm like, I can see how you would.
I can see how you would. That's a four-hour show, though.
I mean, that is a four-hour show. I'm coming in the final hour.
Or what hour is it there, too, in L.A.? Oh, my God, yeah, exactly. So I don't think that's the case at all.
No. There was more than a handful of people that were like, these guys fucking hate when back comes on the show.
They don't know, Paul. I'm going to start viewing it from a different lens.
I'm going to start seeing it. I'm going to start gonna start seeing if it's true because i'm coming in there just says like i'm sure you won't bring it up on sunday hey heard you guys hate me thanks thanks for making uh making that the case no i i i'm a big fan of that show i watch that show a lot yeah i watch that show basically every Sunday they do so many skits and they don't take themselves serious the people behind the scenes i've got a chance to with them.
Big brain, like TV brain, you know, shit, segment ideas doing this.

I really enjoy that show.

I think they're missing Michael Irvin.

Yeah.

Sure.

Which I think is- One of one.

He's on Speak.

One of one.

Playmate.

Oh, yeah, he was on Speak.

He is.

Where's that?

Phenomenal television.

Juice.

Yeah, he's on Speak every week.

I think on Mondays. Yeah, yesterday.
on Speak every week. I think on Mondays.

Yeah, yesterday.

Everybody try and get on that show.

All right.

From what I heard.

Yeah.

They're going to invest a lot into that show.

That's what they're saying.

From what I heard.

For now.

All right.

We should have ended the show right after that Jerry Jones,

speaking Jerry Jones' script thing.

Mm-hmm.

Because he crushed that.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Final answer. That was not Jerry Jones.
No, absolutely not. No.
Age? It was definitely not. Taylor Sheridan wrote, he was informed by Jerry's life in the script, though.
A lot of carryover. But Jerry, the way he've seen like watch any kind of athlete or someone in jerry's position try to act they're usually terrible they're usually really bad on that note john cena i think you will win an oscar no doubt oh man he was unbelievable he john cena blew my socks off as they say as uh did you see ricky stinicky did you see oh yes unbelievable everything he does ferdinand even you go back to ferdinand when he's a voice i mean he is he can do comedy which comedy is tough for people to do and he did it beautifully and he can do drama and he does not take himself seriously at all we'll do hey let's do it for good of content i will do it those socks last night or something did you did you see he had these high blue socks on with black shoes? Swag.
And I was looking at it all and I'm like, see this is the fucking... He's the only human on earth that can come out in front of 17 times.
I thought I saw a picture from earlier in the day. Did he have that outfit on for 28 hours yesterday? What do you mean? John Cena woke up like this.
There is, like last night involved a few of the people that guarantee buzz whenever they're around. And it's like, he's one of them.
And he's way too nice to me and to us. I mean, he is.
I stood next to him for, there's a thing that happened backstage. Everybody's kind of gathered around, learning some stuff.
I'm standing next to John Cena. I just looked over at him and I'm like, this is one of the guys, like of all time.
And he's gonna go right into the movie business full time and he's gonna become the guy. And he's just acting as if he's not, which is so stupid.
I think that is why everybody really loves him at the WWE because he is, to acts like he's just like the the rock talking to people is Insane just the way because I think the WWE people have been around for so long So everybody has like a respect for each other and everybody there is very important Like everybody at every job is very important if they don't do their job good Potentially ruin the business. Yeah, potentially ruin the entire business so it's nice to see like these megastars come back and uh how it's all operated and cena whenever he hits uh you know every time still topanga was doing it they showed topanga and she's doing you can't oh yeah topanga there michael her real name for Danielle Fishel I saw that last night I saw that last night because Cole was doing all the reading of the the celebrity names and he was getting new sheets like every time we would send a video it's like hey here's a new list of people that are here tonight here's a new list of people that are here tonight because I don't even think like WWE knew some of these people were coming coming just coming as fans of the show so that was a cool thing so whenever daniel official is on the sheet i don't know who that i had no idea who that was i had no clue who it was and popped up on the screen i'm like there's the pang and macaulay was there also his brother was there karen was there dude talk to him on the way out talk to him on the way out let him know yo you are way out.
Let him know. Yo, you are a fucking mega talent, dog.
Like, Secession was awesome. Absolutely awesome.
Yeah, here's where I try to drop the name of the podcast. Hey, it's a wrestling podcast.
That's all I can say out of the entirety. Kieran won a Golden Globe for a movie he was in.
He did. Macaulay's brother.
Yeah, he's also Secession, right? Yeah, Roman. He is the show there.
Is that the guy from the show, too, to her right? Yeah. To her left, our right? They didn't put his name on.
Eric Matthews, yeah, Will Friedle. They kind of did him dirty.
That was him? Yeah, that's Corey Matthews' older brother. I met him.
Feeney. Was that him? Yeah, it was.
Oh, fuck, dude. I messed it up.
He's on the podcast with her.

Hey, it was great meeting you, man.

If I would have known at the time, I would have paid much more respect.

That's 100% on me.

He doesn't look the exact same.

Yes, he does.

He gets it.

He looks the exact same. Now that you mentioned it, that is clearly him.

Yeah, he does.

He does.

It was a long day.

It was a long day. Yeah.
he does. It was a long day.
It was a long day. Golly.
I was worried earlier they had a shot of Fluffy in the background when they were showing somebody else. I'm like, oh, you're not going to mention Fluffy? But then they paid it off when they came back and promoted his special.
Fluffy was a part of the show. Fluffy was a part of the show.
He's so jovial. He is so jovial it's always like

Travis Scott

he had to feel so fucking cool walking into that place

think about being Travis

he got caught on a hot mic it was awesome

coming in

when they stopped halfway through the walk down

I forget what he said exactly

but I know it would have got bleeped out

if it was into a microphone

there was a couple of those where

are me and Cole only hearing this

is everybody hearing this

Thank you. know it would have got bleeped out if it was into a microphone okay yeah there was a couple of those where i was like are me and cole only hearing this is everybody hearing this and i think it was because the way that's everybody was on top i mean it was like travis standing in that vom or whatever it is and the people all on top of him with fiend going and him literally smoking it that had to feel so fucking that That had to feel so.
I thought that was part of it. I thought you were part of it.
You had a great interaction with him when they came down. Yep, Sage.
Oh, okay. I had no idea it was coming out.
Obviously, I had no idea. I thought it was a thing.
I was like, oh, they talked about this beforehand. I thought for sure it was a thing.
No idea. He had no clues.
I was like, in the moment, I said, this is so cool. Like, that's literally how I feel.
I had no clue what was coming. Then I see Travis Scott.
Well, I hear Fiend start or whatever. And because it's played every Saturday at game day because every time it bangs, it goes.
I mean, it is awesome. So I hear it start playing.
I'm like, holy shit. Travis Scott doing something.
And then I look up and he's standing. I'm like, that is so awesome.
And I see the vitamins and the sage just kind of irradiating from his hand. I'm like, this dude, you got to feel like the coolest guy of all time right now.
And then when Jey Uso joins him up there and they start going absolutely apeshit and 17,000 plus are all yeeting at the same time. I mean, that was, yeah.
I mean, Travis is ready to fucking go to war right there. Yeah.
As he should. Showman, dude.
Oh, yeah. He sat down at the commentary desk.
I had i had no idea that was can we get this guy a headset like i don't think he's doing that i was

like he's sitting down right now can we get him a heads he's he's cool dude man got a chance to

chat with him and his crew afterwards and uh you know might have been able to experience the sage

a little bit sure cool moment cool moment there and uh 10 time grammy nominee bangers after bangers

Thank you. Might have been able to experience the stage a little bit.
Sure. Cool moment.
Cool moment there. And 10-time Grammy nominee.
Bangers after bangers after bangers. His shoes, his business.
The guy's crushing it. And he was all in last night.
And that's what it was all about. It felt like everybody was all in in there.
You could feel that it was a special thing. Like, throughout the night, you could feel it's special.
You know, sometimes Colin Mondayay night raw which is a three-hour show and obviously very lucky to be welcomed back asked back opportunity to come back and commentated that is a very very important seat in the history of professional wrestling to do it alongside michael cole i'm so incredibly lucky but there's sometimes you know there's a clock right over by hard cam over there and we'll be doing a show. We'll be doing a show.
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And I look over and it's been 47 minutes.
I'm like, I did not. I thought we were going to be at least an hour and a half.
I thought we were going to be at least hour, 45 minutes. You look in, it's like 47 minutes.
It's like, okay, here we, let's do this thing. Last night, I wasn't able to keep up with everything that was happening.
Obviously, I was trying to enjoy the moment as much as possible,

and it was chaotic as shit, so you couldn't really do that.

I looked down at my phone, and it was like two hours and 45 minutes into the show.

I'm like, holy shit, we are still doing it.

It was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

What a start.

I can't wait to hear what the numbers are.

How does that work?

I'm not sure.

Netflix is always important. That kind of stuff, yeah.
They did it with the NFL games. It was packed, though.
Boom. What a start.
I can't wait to hear what the numbers are. How does that work? I'm not sure.
Netflix always supports that kind of stuff, yeah. They did it with the NFL games.
It was packed, though. Boom.
That was a perfect venue, too, because that's one of one. If you just do that at some...
I mean, even at MSG, I don't think it's delivering the same experience that that place is on night one. Visually.
It was fucking incredible. it was fucking incredible production was outstanding yeah i mean the drones the cranes the steadicam everything was so good perfect how about that drone it's the coolest thing ever yeah i thought that was all they were pre-recording it because i saw that thing early that thing early was buzzing around is small real small and i think it's real small so it doesn't distract anybody but also if it falls and we're not going to get any massive issues you know because that is possible i guess but it was so small and whoever was flying that fucking thing was in a cockpit because they were i mean it was real yeah you ever watch those drone races oh yeah oh yeah holy we used to have them on the office every day dude what a phenomenal They're going like 10,000 miles an hour.
That is literally what it seems to be. And they crash.
And they're racing. Yeah, into Nets.
Big or? Pretty powerful. I don't know what.
Yeah, it's hard to tell. They're going through like circles.
They're going through like hoops. So tight.
Through entire stadiums. They need to bring that back.
That? The Lumberjack Games? Yep.

That needs to come back.

The ice skating races down the mountains.

Yeah.

Crushed ice.

Crushed ice. There it is.

You know, they had a...

Did you guys see ESPN?

One of the ESPNs I stumbled across with my kids the other day

had the Air Guitar National Championships.

Really?

They aired live as well.

Who won?

Was that...

Did that lady hit the double crown again

where she won the fake horse air guitar championship,

both of them back to back?

I think she did that last year.

Oh, I didn't get to the very end of it.

I would say the buildup and the thought of it

was a little bit better than the execution,

but credit for them to put it on the air.

Yeah.

What are you?

That's what Teocho does.

You're not talking about.

They only played their song for like 25-30 seconds each person, I think. I don't know who won.
I didn't stick around. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, we just got the moves. Oh, shit.
Oh, yeah, he's got it. Oh, my God, it's the winner, right? Well, this...
Nobody was like this on the one I saw. What? Oh, yeah! It's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my God.
It's the winner, right? Well, there's not anyone like this. Nobody was like this on the one I saw.

What?

Oh, yeah.

It's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. Hey.

Pull up a fake horse.

Watch it.

You want to talk about that?

The dumbest shit I've ever seen.

Pull up the fake horse.

You've seen this.

This is the whitest thing I've ever seen on the internet.

This is it.

This is it.

Was that a crowd?

It was a crowd there too?

A big crowd?

Absolutely.

50, 60.

Into a dome. What are you talking about? He's fucking cranking on that thing.
One dude was playing with his mouth. Jimi Hendrix? Yeah.
Pulled it off. A little shout out.
Chuck Berry? Did it? Yeah, had me fooled. Walsh from the Eagles.
Oh, yeah. He's been good to me.
He's out there too. Wow, wow, wow.
and he's just drooling all over fucking awesome I've been to three of those concerts every time he does it I love it just so uncomfortable in his mouth just shoved it's a tube it's stuck to the thing and I spit it out to sing right back in there what a dog they do any of that in the air control they do of that? In the air control? That would have won the entire thing. Here's the...
Yep, here it is. What's going on, D-Butch? Welcome to White America! Is that South Florida? Where is that? That is South Florida, I think, yeah.
I mean, we got a big question. Who is in the in the crowd? Good high-nice.
White America! This is a hobby horse, is what they call it. The prince in the back.
That's a little practice in the back there. Get the feel for the horse.
Listen, whenever you want to compete, as long as people are competing, I'm happy. If you're going to ride a fake fucking horse, be the best in the world at it.
That's right. Oh, shit.

That was sick.

That was actually bad horse.

It'll jump like that.

What is this, dressage?

Is that what?

The jumping of it.

See the handle you have on your horse?

Can you take the track?

Tennessee walkers right there.

Got a quarter horse, too.

Winner here, it seems like.

This is unbelievable.

Great win.

You know what I do enjoy?

The girl who stares at the judge while walking her pig with the stick. Oh, yeah.
State fairs are a good time. State fairs are a good time.
You have raised this farm animal, whatever it is, all year to get a good score, a good grade, so that you can auction it off for a good amount of money. It's a business, right right i think if i'm understanding how state fairs and county fairs and all these things go with pigs and cows and bulls and everything you name it and you see the exact people that are doing it the judges so you're like right in front of them like huh look at this fucking hog right here huh got they grease them all up like their hair look good i'm telling you so it would go to this year at the the indiana state fair yeah it happens with all these animals yeah it's crazy it's like nine or ten kids this was the youth one and there are these goats that they were like raised with so they've had these same goats since they were like eight years old i think it's 4h i think it's what it's called also the competitive version of this for the kids they ride horses there's like uh growing flower you see some of these flowers in some of these state fairs do you know what these are no we're talking like sunflower seeds sunflowers that are like i'm like i don't know how that's not in gmo yeah it works but that that horse thing right there that's a tough look for us yeah it is that was a miracle the words were in a different language on the wall yeah yeah different language That one was in America That was not us? No We don't do that So the fake air guitar was in Finland is not American No, this one was in America It was the first time ever live I saw the pre-show They had a kickoff show for me? It was an air guitar pre-show It was a big deal Big deal First time ever live First time they ever did it live There was a guy dressed up kind of like Evel Knievel that was like the MC kind of getting people on and off, directing traffic.
Beast. I love that.
I love any time you get to watch a good host. Host is going to have to carry that too because there's no actual guitar shreds.
Right. And I don't know how they get clearance on all the music.
They get clearance on all the music, this particular thing. I didn't really hear any hits.
So I was wondering the same thing. That's tough.
That's what made it tough, too. I'm like, if you're playing the hits, I can watch this.
If you're playing all the Guitar Hero songs, which is basically what they are, right? You're filthy at that? Yeah, I love Guitar Hero. Very good.
Love that game. Grew up on Guitar Hero and Rock Band.
There's people that are so good at it that their fingers make so much

they put it on muted and they're hitting it so hard that plastic sounds like it sounds like yeah like somebody typing on a keyboard i got a couple of those like the joker i've probably played the joker on guitar hero what's that sound like 200 times the miller band yeah yeah Yeah, bingo.

A midnight talker.

And you're just...

Oh, yeah.

Crushing it.

You ever play Guitar Hero? Oh, yeah. What about the band one? What was the band one? Rock band.
I did that back in the day. That was fun trying to play the drums.
Guitar Hero World Tour also has all the instruments. You can play the drums and sing on that one as well.
Because I wasn't good at the Guitar Hero. That one wasn't.
But whenever they did the band thing and I could play the drums 2.33 a.m. in the living room, you know, after a good night out, or maybe just back this thing and sing my ass off.
You a big arcade guy growing up? Who? Going to arcades? Yeah, you know, not a lot of games. I wasn't really...
You know when this one started? The... Asteroids?

The bricks.

Stacking the bricks.

Tetris?

No, no.

Tetris?

The bricks are bouncing back and forth like this,

and then you've got to stop them.

And then there's the next level bricks coming up like this,

and you've got to stop them.

And there's...

You could have won...

I forget.

It was like a $1,000 thing.

And obviously, every time I went to stop it,

but there was a summer I spent trying to play that game

for hours at the Monroeville Mall,

which I don't think you can go to anymore. People are just getting shot there.
Malls are tough. Malls are dying.
Netflix is buying all of them. Malls are awesome.
Sorry, what? Malls is like hangout. Netflix is buying all the abandoned malls in America and making them movie studios, show studios.
Sweet. So there's a grocery store that's for sale right down the street here.
A lot of space. Okay.
I've've thought to myself what can we do with this thing it has to be something and there's multiple things hey paul rita netflix i think we can make that'd be so one quarter of this gross think about how big these massive they are so big and it's just sitting there it's like right down the street i'm like there's be six things we could put in here that could help out the entire society i don't know about a movie studio i don't know about a movie studio yeah mall movie theaters a couple movie theaters potentially and some of it would be fun indoor putt-putt would be there's a place uh my kids play basketball an old sears i believe it's gigantic and they have like four or five full-size basketball courts they have basketball of terms there every weekend. And then the whole other half is like an indoor, you know, trampoline-type park with all of that stuff and arcade.
They have volleyball. It has everything.
Yeah. Out here, what was that? Megaplex.
The Incrediplex. Oh, yeah.
Incrediplex. That place, it turned into like a log.
Yeah, like a lumber facility or something. It used to have like six basketball courts inside of it, practice field, indoor.
Soccer. Soccer on one side.
I mean, it was a huge space. Yeah, there was baseball in there.
Everything was in there. It was like massive space.
I don't know what it would be like to heat and cool at all. But all these big spaces are kind of losing their luster.
Yeah, I mean, some of them, you're getting good use out of them like what uh aj just mentioned we got a couple of those popping up too we got a one uh like pick a ball it's a place they got four size uh basketball courts batting cages shooting like shooting areas with like a bunch of those remember we need those it was the um rebounder i used to shoot it back yeah shooting gun like all these areas. I know right after COVID, during COVID, probably, like, 2021, we would, like, start to reserve the courts to go play, like, pickup basketball.
You had to, you know, do the temperature check or whatever bullshit. But now post that, volleyball tournaments, you know, whatever, pickleball tournaments, all type of shit there.
Were you ever worried that maybe you had exercised too much before they shot that thing at your forehead to see what your temperature was and you weren't going to be able to do something that was very important just because you happen to have a little higher temperature at the moment not really for the rest of your life. They weren't checking.
They weren't checking. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? My brother, I went into a place with my brother and he was 89 degrees on his forehead and they're like and they just sent him through and he's like, wait, am I dying? Like what? They're like, I just keep coming.
It's a little too here. Don't you think I need to warm up a little bit? Yeah.
It's the deal. That was a wild time.
How about when they were shoving that thing up her nose? I had to get up there. Remember when we had a car full of us for NXT? We got tested together.
Six of us in a 5C car. Somebody comes out in a hazmat suit to come stick things up our nose we're gonna be okay everybody's good everybody yeah that's why we're in here this is a safe car thank you i gotta go through a parking garage there's a line had to go through a parking garage hazmat suits on the testers wow every car behind us was one single person just the driver Shake it up.
Person with the mask on, with the glasses, the whole suit.

Roll down the window here.

We're going to need to test you.

How many are you in there?

Jeez, Luis.

All right.

Called other testers over to help out with the process.

I thought we were going to end the entire operation right there.

We passed, though, didn't we, boys?

We did.

That's because we remained socially distant.

We washed our hands.

Yep.

Thank you. I thought we were going to end the entire operation right there.
We passed, though, didn't we, boys? We did. That's because we remained socially distant.

We washed our hands.

Yep, all the time.

We ate and then put the mask right back.

Fringe fry.

Boom.

Boom.

Boom.

Cough.

Boom.

Yeah, because if you accidentally just took it in, right there.

Too much.

Yeah.

What you just did was it spit out everywhere. There's some real fear brother you wonder why nobody believes anything anymore that was what a crock of shit what what a absolute we don't know it's somewhere in the middle obviously and i'm sure we'll find it all out yeah and that's what that's what the good thing about it all and uh what's going on up in Canada? Yeah, Gumpy, your leader's stepping down?

Not my leader, and he's done, brother.

Okay.

All right.

I think Gumpy has been very wide open on this particular case.

Is there anybody that's saying he's...

Because it sounded like the way...

The videos I was seeing of Trudeau were coming out of ski resorts and jogging on trails.

I'll tell you what.

You go to a place like the Kootenays, think you're going to push those people around. That's not how Canada works, brother.
Was that his last straw? That was it. He thought he was going to go skiing and take over that fucking hotel in the Kootenays.
Holiday season? Yeah, I don't think so, brother. Is that near Banff? Banff? No, Banff's in Calgary.
Banff is, if you're going to go somewhere in Canada, Whistler and Banff are beautiful snow mountains.

Hell yeah.

World leaders can just shut things down.

Just like that.

What's happened to you?

Yeah, that's what I was referring to.

15 hours.

What?

I'm going to be stuck in Los Angeles for 15 hours?

You need to get to the airport right now.

How am I walking? How am I? Oh, oh they're gonna get a car to you okay we're inside one of the most lockdown put that into a dome it's like an entire campus kind of you know it's kind of like a campus there's like all that outside the outdoor everything like it is a full campus it is locked down though very well done i i think they should feel very proud of the building that they have how nice everything is obviously it's very brand new the people that worked inside of it were very i mean it was it was very well done but if your car is on the opposite side it's going to be tough to get the amount of checkpoints that you got to get to get to there which is good and bad but yeah i thought thought we were stuck in Los Angeles because they just shut it down. Hey, let's do a giveaway.
I want to do a giveaway. January 7th, the day after AJ Hawk's birthday.
D-Butch. Oh, no, no.
AP Tone. He does have a big day.
Huge. Yeah.
Did you already submit or is it yesterday you had to submit? Yesterday was the All-pro teams. And then one of the awards? Tomorrow by five.
Pressure's on. Good Lord.
The heat is on. I'll tell you what.
You win 30 people 500 bucks doing? Throwing a football something. A football toss into that basketball hoop right over there? Bingo.
I think that's an indicator that you're going to get it right. I think so.
I think that's an indicator that you're going to get it right. Why don't you throw it into that basketball hoop over there, actually? Whatever hoop you want.
I think this one down here is better because we don't want you to hit our ping pong, too. True.
All those hoops are looking like the Gulf of America to me right now. We'll try to get that in there earlier.
We pivoted away from it. The Gulf of America, I do believe is the water down there in between Florida and Texas.
Oh, Nune. Yep.
Old Nune. Changing it back.
Really? Okay. I am only he ripped his shirt off at work he certainly did Netflix is raw man he just stood in the pocket didn't he absolutely he should have had that NWO shirt under it just in case oh just in case.
All planning? Yeah, just in case. Yeah.
Oh, okay. This is what's going to be.
It starts out with brothers and then ends with fuck you. Yeah, body slams Jimmy Hart.
He had those red shoes, though. He would have lost those sweet red shoes if he wore the NWO.
Hulkster. Keep going, brother.
Yeah, he's not losing them motherfuckers. Dave, Larry, he's spotable.
Size 38.

That's Hulk Hogan.

That's Hulk Hogan.

You look loose.

Getting his arm loose.

Conviction.

I'm just thinking of Hulkster having a stand in the pocket.

Yeah, he got it done. I just keep thinking of it.

Because he looked out at one point.

It was all good.

I don't know.

Better than no reaction. Better than nothing.
For when he gets into a crowd that loves him, they are going to go way over. Ape shit for him.
You're right. And he is going to take it all in, brother.
Made it through the worst part. Yeah, this week when he's at a Kroger selling, you know, great American beer.
It's real American beer. Yeah, but it's a great American beer as well.
It is. You're right.
I forgot. Because it is brewed in the United States of America.
Obviously. They're going to mob him.
I'm excited to try it. Me too.
How do we think it is? I think it's going to be okay. Yeah, I mean, I think all those, for the most part, like those kind of new beers all taste somewhat similar.
But if I know Hulkster, he's got a special spin on it. Is there a light? Similar.
Similar as in shite? What? Or real American beer as in shite. They're serving it at Hogan's Hangout, brother.
Okay. When's karaoke? Is that tonight? They need to go crazy for him tonight.
Typically Monday, so I bet they move to the beach. They need to go crazy for him whenever he fucking hits it tonight.
Please. They will.
17,000 people telling him.

There was people cheering for him.

I would like it to be known.

There was a pop at the start.

Yeah, there was.

Because it was so loud inside the stadium, I didn't hear the boos.

I was cheering.

Yeah, me too.

Hulkster's in a boos.

Holy shit.

There are a couple others.

Oh, we're not.

He is a real American. Golf of would you where'd you hear that from what was that all about the Gulf of America that's the name of it though okay our elected president changed the name of it yes we're also buying Greenland and Canada okay and? And possibly Mexico.
I don't know. Nah.
There is. There you go.
Okay. There it is.
It's official. It is official.
It is on the Google Maps and on the Apple Maps. We don't make the rules.
Okay? It is clear as day. Yeah, that settles it.
It's the name of it all.

It's an awesome time to be alive, legitimately.

Let's enjoy it all.

Let's also enjoy Tom Diggs asking the football gods if he is on the right track with this football for that hoop over there.

If it goes in, 30 people win $500, AJ Hawk.

Oh, he's throwing it.

That was a scene. Oh, my God.
Hey. I had some conviction, though.
I had some conviction on that. I had some conviction on that.
I had a good spot a bit last time. I'm not doing that.
Usually it gets worse from here, though. Oh, no.
What he said is it's going to get better. You can't hear him, obviously.
Yeah, it is. It's only going to get better.
He's super positive. You told him that he needs to have conviction.
Yes. And he did with that particular throw right there.
Maybe he can do it once again.

Connor, do you have any... What are you flipping off?

AJ, he said it was only going to get worse.

He said it was only going to get worse. Yeah, he didn't say it was worse.

No, I said, no, history proves that it gets worse, usually.

He said, history tells us

that you're only going to get worse right now.

That's what he said. Not you right now, just

history. I don't believe it.
I think

he's getting better. Hey, nothing that happened yesterday

determines what's going to happen. Block out the noise.
Forget about Hawk. Hawk's an asshole.
He's 41 now. He's a prick.
Yeah, turned 41 yesterday. 30 people.
Oh! There you go. That one was almost walking a dog around the rim right down here.
I don't know if there was enough air in that particular bowl. A little deflation up there in New England, maybe.
30 people. Proved wrong.

500.

Oh, no.

Proved not true, by the way.

I saw a science guy that got a Medal of Freedom.

No, no.

They proved it was not true.

In 2015, they started taking the bullshit tests.

And they, after the 2015 season, said, hey, what happened in 2014 happens every single

time a game gets played in cold weather.

So that was completely false.

Yeah, but Bill Nye, he told me. Oh, yeah? I was right to my face.
Bill Nye's a fucking mark. Okay? He doesn't know shit.
He's a puppet. Don't talk about Bill Nye like that.
I love Bill Nye. He deserves more respect.
But it's true. That's a deflated ball.
Does it get cold in here sometimes? Yeah, that's why. You're welcome, Science.
30 people. Oh, that was an ugly one.
Maybe what AJ said was true. I don't like it.
Right? I don't love that that is the case. 30 people, $500.
Oh, that was the one. You got to throw a Duke though.
Yeah, AP. Yeah, you're right.
These are men's league awards. And also, Cowboy Hat, not a problem.
It's not hitting off.

It is because I'm normally more over the top.

Yeah.

I got to bring it out a little bit.

So now you're Phil Rivers in it a little bit.

There you go.

But for the good of Phil Rivers, why don't you win 30 people?

That was a good-looking ball, though.

That was a good-looking ball.

Good spin.

I'm throwing a good ball.

Some of those work.

Yeah, close only counts in hand grenades, horseshoes, and... Atom bone? That's true.
Definitely. But not really, that one.
Bocce. Oh, okay.
Bocce is what we're talking about. When you guys called the bocce, I showed you Mickey Mouse.
It was. I don't know what...
I don't know anything there. Take a five-step drop.
Yeah, why don't you make it real like these AP votes are tomorrow 30 people, $500 Oh boy Oh It was a good effort Out of our AP voter It's time for one last ball That has a dorsal fin on it Oh there it is This is for's job. This is for Steelers in the playoffs, brother.
Oh, mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long of the law. Renegade is the song for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Oh, hold on. Oh, no.
One and done for the team from Pittsburgh. Tones from a town with the good football team.
Used to say great. Not everybody in Pittsburgh is singing the song saying it's just a good football team.
The playoff song came out. I didn't even listen to it.
Are you talking about Boswell's 2?

Yeah.

Wait, the playoff song?

Yeah, can we pull that up?

I didn't hear this.

The Colts playoff song came out, too.

Don't be an asshole.

I don't know if you heard it.

Duffalo was on Duffield, and he was the best part of Dugame.

Okay?

No doubt.

Why don't you have a little respect for the fan of the year?

Someone put together a bar-filled song about the Colts. Oh, i heard that yeah that was a lot of time good went ham good flow yeah there at the beginning you think oh this is gonna be kind of crop yeah but then it's like no you got two and a half three minutes left here and there it is he's going he's going in is that the colts crusade i believe yeah yeah uh 202425 Steelers fight song by Roger Wood.
And this is to get the boys fired up and take on the Baltimore Ravens. Okay.
Here we go. Here we go.
Steelers. Here we go.
Pittsburgh's gone to the Super Bowl. Here we go.
To the Steelers. Black and the gold.
Here we go. It's time of Pittsburgh.
Heart and soul. Here we go.
The Steeler Nation has the best fans. We are from Pittsburgh, the six-time Super Bowl.
We're bowl champs. Here we go.
Come on, AJ. Here we go.
Listen to that fucking bass line. Here we go.
Here we go. Pittsburgh's going to the Super Bowl.
Here we go. Russell Wilson is ready to win.
Yes, come on. With Dickens, Fryer, Muth, and Jalen Warren.
Here we go. We'll go to Najee when we need a touchdown.
And if you get in his way, he's going to knock you around. Here we go.
It's really the same song. The names change a little bit there.
Here we go. That's not true.
Now, Roger Wood puts his own sauce on it. Here we go.
Steelers. Here we go.
Pittsburgh's going to the Super Bowl. Here we go.
Now the offense is ready to score. Here we go.
And there's one thing we know. For sure.
Here we go. If we don't get it in the end zone, we'll get three points off of Boswell.
So here we go. Here we go.
You get it? D-Bots is judging this, but we've won six people with this song. Here we go, Abby.
Here we go. I'll let it continue.
There's another minute, brother. Yeah.
Here we go. We've got Highsmith, Watt, and Hayworth.
Here we go. It's Patrick Elliott and Joey Duhler.
Here we go. The other team won't gain any grime because the defense is going to bring the steel curtain down.
Here we go. Yeah.
Here we go. Defense.
Defense. Defense.
Here we go. Nick is not going to be happy.
It's pretty long. It's pretty long.
It's 2 minutes 38 seconds. Here we go.
Woo! When we were growing up, they were playing over the loudspeaker in school. Yeah, whenever it came out.
Shout out to Roger Wood. Minka's going to quit.
Why? Because he's not a part of the defense part of it? He's a pro bowler. He's going to quit.
Is he? Yeah. He made a problem? So his season was...
What?

That song stinks.

What the hell?

Roger Wood, D-Buds.

I feel so much better about DeFlo.

As soon as the organization gets on DeFlo level...

No, you don't.

DeFlo didn't know where he was at.

You know what the Lions are over there listening to right now?

Why y'all listening to Roger Wood?

What's that?

You know.

Is that a song about the Lions? Bingo. No you i challenge you to find a better fight song leonji ball oh i heard that song the new jello banger it is a heater it is an actual heater now i don't know if it's about the lions but maybe that'll motivate them it's in their locker room roger wood is not the only one in pittsburgh that makes bangers though okay i'm from the town with the great football team go on and get them steelers it's all another one you don't even there's donnie i brett michaels michaels black and gold yeah i mean sorry black and yellow i don't know why you changed that ruined that yeah whiz first person gold yellow, but I had to kind of go with it because it was such a heater.
Black and yellow, black and yellow, black and yellow. It sounds better.
It does, but not like in Pittsburgh. It's black and gold.
That was kind of the thing. And then Wiz was like, you know what? I like what we're doing, but I can make a fucking heater with this, so let's go ahead and do that.
Lo and behold, everybody was out there. They hate Minka out there?

That was kind of what was being chatted about.

Pro Bowls.

Steelers, he was surprised that he made it

just because he hasn't been as splashy this year.

The splash plays have been.

Yeah, but he asked another question.

What was the question?

Wasn't there like a rumor that he was,

they were mad at him or something?

That was disproved.

It was someone else on the defense.

Okay, so that was not true.

It was definitely someone on the defense.

But it wasn't Minka?

I don't think so. They were mad at him or something like that? That was disproved.
It was someone else on the defense.

Okay, so that was not true.

It was definitely someone on the defense.

But it wasn't Minka?

I don't think it was 39.

I think you should have been saying that louder.

I think the counter on that should have been said a little bit louder.

I don't think it was ever confirmed.

Well, nobody actually said it was Minka.

No, but it was certainly inferred.

It was certainly inferred.

So I think if it wasn't him, I think that should have been – I think that should have –

we probably should have maybe been saying a little bit louder.

It was another number.

Assuming it was make it until right now.

Yeah, bingo.

That's exactly where I lived as well.

So I'm happy we did some journalism there.

Yeah.

What number do you think it is?

I know what number it is.

Whoa.

Time.

90?

No. It's a new season now.
It's not nearly as exciting as if it were. Whoa.
Time. 90? No.

It's a new season now.

It's not nearly as exciting as if it were me. Are you trying to drive a wedge through the Pittsburgh Steelers?

I think the team knows that guy stinks, so that's why I don't think it's him.

He's inferring it?

Yes.

Like, if you know a guy stinks on your team, you're not going to call him out publicly.

Everybody knows he stinks.

Or it's like a, hey, let's fucking get on this guy's team.

Or it could have been a shot, which I think at the coaching staff, hey, why is this guy on the fucking field? All right, on that note, let's go ahead and get on out of here. Got a big one tomorrow.
Huge. Hope we'll get to the bottom of that.
We need Caboli to get to the bottom of that. Multiple guys.
No. No.
No, it was multiple guys. There was one guy at the top of the list, but everybody can, you know, we've been in those meet rooms.
Everybody can throw their hand up at certain times. That's right.
It's one guy that's throwing their hand up a little bit more. But it's a new season for black and gold.
Nailing it. Boom.
Thank you, T-Bots. Yep.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have some breaking news out of Las Vegas. Antonio Pierce fired.
Wow. From the Las Vegas Raiders.
Damn it. So that is one season for Antonio Pierce as the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders.
Former player, obviously giant legend, interim head coach of the Raiders last year when he had so much success in the offseason. There was a big groundswell of support for Antonio Pierce to be the head coach of the Raiders.
This year has not gone the way that they could have imagined it at all. Obviously, they end up trading away Devontae Adams.
There's a lot of conversation about other people getting traded out of there. Tom Telesco, who's the GM, I don't know if he certainly was the one that picked Antonio Pierce as head coach.
Was there a differing of opinion there? How do they go forward? Was Mark Davis thinking about this all along? When did this decision start coming to forefront so many questions that i assume will never get answered but one season is all antonio pierce will be the head coach of the las vegas raiders for now he obviously signed a guaranteed contract that's what coaches contracts are so did gerard mayo so congrats to them on being professional golfers if they want going forward for the next four years or three years, however long their contract was.

But yet another situation of a former player getting a head coaching job

and then one season ownership and decision makers deciding,

uh-uh, we ain't doing this.

D, but I saw you throw your pen.

You don't think one year is enough to develop a culture to make your team,

get your guys, get everything on schedule?

You don't think there's enough of a case study for Antonio Pierce here?

No, I don't. He had a little bit more one year obviously being in an interim role but we saw what he had uh at quarterback we know the same situation Tennessee if you don't hit that quarterback position um it's going to be tough so to have one year and then this is the opportunity where you have a position to actually go and get a quarterback and have a chance to kind of build your team, build your roster.
And it's still a certain culture. Obviously, we aren't in that building, so we don't know the ins and outs and how everything was going week to week.
But I felt like they competed at least down the stretch for sure. So not shocked.
This was one of the names that were floating around. But I hate when guys kind of get shafted like this where it's one and done, don't get a real real chance shefter has put out a summary of what has happened since you know 2021 when john gruden resigned after his emails and only his emails were learned of a how many thousand seventy thousand something absurd some insane amount uh obviously came to light through the washington football team investigation, allegedly.
To Josh McDaniels, who was fired in 2023, to Pierce now in 2025. Obviously, a lot of turnover over there in Las Vegas.
New city for the Raiders, and there's a lot of things happening quickly, trying to establish a culture. John Gruden's name is back into conversation about being an NFL coach.
You know, obviously, he's dominated on the NFL. Did he and Mark Davis get along? I think so, right? I thought so.
I don't remember them having issues. I remember Mark Davis not being pumped about the entire situation when Gruden almost felt like he was forced.
Remember, that was the... Yeah, the backpacker.
I'm going to get there, guys. I'll talk about this later.
If John Gruden is getting interviews with other jobs, I wonder if Mark Davis is like, well, he could certainly potentially get an interview with us. Yeah, and I don't know if Gruden would want to go back to the Raiders with how everything went in that thing.
But if that ends up being a storyline that ends up happening here, it would be great. Rex Ryan back to the Jets.
Potentially Gruden may be back. Once again, this is not knowing Gruden at all or the Raiders at all or any plans.
But I know Gruden's name has been mentioned with some teams in conversations. Hasn't been listed on social media because I think some teams don't want to be the ones that are, you know, the first team to say we're bringing John Gruden back into the NFL.
But people have said there's been interest in John Gruden. It's like, it makes sense.
The guy could fucking win. Like, that's what he did.
And in the world that we're in right now, having to be able to communicate, having to be understand everything it's like that'd be an insane situation not saying that's going to happen but that would be an insane situation as the raiders now are added to the list of teams that are looking for a new head coach aj huck yeah i would imagine the raiders i don't know if it's gruden or not but i would imagine they have a couple guys in mind that they want to bring in to be the head coach like this it's kind of weird timing did he end end up talking to the media yesterday? I know, Chef, he said he was going to talk to the media. Yep, and he said he has not been pulled otherwise whenever he was asked if he's going to be back as the coach.
This is just like when Iberflus was like, I'm preparing to go do it this weekend, and he's fired 20 minutes later, and then now it's a day after his press conference. Antonio Pierce, Doug Peterson, Gerard Mayo, Matt Iberflus, Dennis Allen, Robert robert sulla all coaches that have been fired either this season or since the end of their seasons then obviously you look at the oc dc and general managers there's a lot of spots to be filled now uh six total head coach openings if you count what happened in season seven to ten is normally the average right that is normally where we land there's six right now is this it it's got to be right i had mccarthy situation yeah oh yeah still gotta get figured out with that that's not firing okay yeah so i mean yeah seven seven eight not like a year that's that's insane i think you definitely need some time there are situations where you can definitely see it and say, all right, I made a mistake.
Let's move forward. I had some hot names out there.
We definitely have the inside track to get one. And you were talking about Gruden.
I think Gruden is one of those coaches who have a lot of say on the personnel side, too, because I believe when him and Mayock were together, I think he made the final call. So that would be, you know, something else that teams would have to sign off on if you bring a guy like that in.
I'm fascinated by it all right now because what was Pierce and Mark Davis' conversations? When did Pierce think this was possible? You know, like at what point did he understand that the writing was on the wall? How long has Mark Davis felt like this? Is it since the chaos started, middle of the season? Like, hey, this is not how we want to go about doing this. It's not how we thought.
It's just like Gerard Mayo. Like everybody's saying it was like the last month basically is when it really started heating up in this whole thing.
But remember, you can win your fan base back over with just one hiring. Like you can just win everybody back over with one hiring, especially if it's one that's viewed as winning the headline, winning the press conference.
Maybe that's what Mark Davis is thinking too. so they don't lose hope.
If they get a quarterback, you know, why not? What if they bring in Shadour and Prime? I think it's straight up. This will be Brady's first big decision as a partial owner of the Raiders.
Tom Brady is a mentor, right, to Shadour? Yeah. Oh.
Has been for years now. Owner of the Raiders.
Oh, whoa, whoa. Is Coach Prime and Shador taking the Sanders show to Las Vegas? Whew.
Who the fuck knows? We know nothing, dude. We know absolutely nothing.
That was what Schefter was saying yesterday when he was him-hawing. I used, ah.
It was this decision. Yeah.
I think he's out. Ah, but him-haw, ha-haw.
ha he didn't know he really didn't know because these owners you know i want to say they live a very different life than everybody else and have very different thoughts than everybody else but they do you know they they can make any decision they want that's why i thought marvin harrison jr could potentially been an indianapolis colt because on draft night jim mercy could have walked in there and been like hey excuse me, is there a Marvin Harrison in this draft? Yeah, he's a Colt. We're going to go get him.
That can happen at any time with any of these owners. So when did Mark Davis start thinking this was the case? And who does Tom Telesco want to work alongside, you know, as the general manager? He's been around the league a long time.
He was in Indianapolis. I was very lucky for him.
He's the one that brought me basically into the Indianapolis Colts world with Bill Pullian, ended up drafting me. And then he goes to San Diego and then Los Angeles.
And then now he's with the Raiders. It's like he's been around a long time, a lot of coaches, a lot of coaches.
He has a lot of networks in there. Who's he going to want and who's making a decision? We shall see.
All right, we'll be back tomorrow. Rayne Carthorn fired today.
Antonio Pierce fired today. Anybody else? Justin Trudeau.
A couple of. He resigned.
He quit yesterday. Resigned.
Mark Davis also could have just flipped a coin. That's why Schefter probably didn't have any information.
Did he use the coin? Or did he? All rise? Out of seven times? Was he playing Game Boy and lost the game? Was like, all right, I'm done. Who are we talking about here? Mark Davis.
Or he was in his office. Owner Mark Davis arrived at the team facility within the last hour to deliver the news to Pierce.
He finished 4-13 in his last season. Just got there.
I can't fucking take it anymore. I'm getting up there right now.
Is he in his office? Yeah. I'm doing it.
This is how we're going to get small. Fucking right see you get out you're right within the last hour I mean it's a quick conversation yeah that terrible.
Could you imagine him walking down with like Ari? Ari Gold did with a paintball gun or whatever. Antonio! Walks in.
Crazy. Get the fuck out of my building.
Ruin this place. Where was it kosher? I'm going to pay you for the next five years.
For everybody, too, though. All the assistants, too.
Like, they know now, hey, we got to look for another gig. Yeah.
The special times coordinator out there. Coaching is a wild business, brother.
It's crazy. And Schefter, before he did the leaning in, leaning out segment, he was like, we're talking about lives and jobs and families here.
It's like, I understand we got to preface every conversation with that because it's very real. Like when a player gets traded, nobody talks about like their families just getting uprooted from the community that they're in and having to move to another one and yada, yada, yada, everything like that.
Coaches get compensated very, very, very, very well. But they all know it's part of the gig.
They all know that they're like military families, how much they move. You know, they are all around.
But I mean, Mitt's here and. And, obviously, Mitt's Mitt.
But Mitt was in, like, four different towns within, like, ten years because his dad was going to Atlanta, St. Louis.
We're here. We're there.
We're bang, boom, boom, boom, boom because the coaching level. Yeah, yeah, dog.
I got culture, dude. I'm fucking all over the place, you know.
I got more hometowns than the Rock. That's what he just said.
That's what the Mitt said. I could hear him say it.
Good for Mitt. These guys also all know they're going to get another job.
It's not like you get fired and then it's just like, well, I guess that's it for me. That doesn't fucking happen.
All these guys are going to get a job elsewhere. Or get on TV.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's enough jobs seemingly at this point.
You wonder if any of them go to North Carolina, see if Bill makes a call because they're making it an NFL-type deal. Bill Bell, I'm very – how about him taking these pictures in high school? Have you seen these? Him and Lombo were in the back room of an equipment room taking a picture with a high school kid that was this tall.
I saw him Steve. Steve got a chance to see him in the back of the car yesterday.
He was jacked up. They're traveling around.
He was jacked. Bill's got fucking full on.ve just wore a black t-shirt yeah that was our nintendo shirt our t-shirt i'm sorry yeah it was car hey listen geez not only there was like four or five of these guys and he was posting pictures they're all gigantic i don't think you know julie's pepper i guess is from north carolina right yep is that accurate the way they're talking about north carolina talent like hey north carolina's got people you know like they got a lot of talent in state that hasn't stayed that's like south carolina's the same exact thing south carolina louisiana south carolina north carolina there's like hotbeds for great football players and i think all these schools are trying to turn it like hey hey hey hey he wouldn't stay here the amount of money north carolina seemingly is spending paying bill paying lambo paying the entire staff they'll have the maximum amount of Revshare, he said, they'll have maximum amount of money North Carolina is seemingly spending.
Paying Bill, paying Lambo, paying the entire staff.

They'll have the maximum amount of rev share,

he said. They'll have the maximum amount of NIL stuff.
He's got a

country club membership.

The whole town is kind of going all in.

They've got great unis.

If Bill walks into your high school

though, I feel like that's a...

We're going to do this

or what? He brings Michael Jordan. brings jordan with him a couple times yeah jordan can give them as much money as they it's like uncle phil knight over there in oregon it is yeah that's a good vault to have and then larry ellison now is with michigan that's a great one he's 200 some billion i looked it up the other day yeah really 200 some billion oracles he owns lanai hawaii the island

the whole fucking thing and now he's back in michigan with everything else that michigan has

texas they had like three different collectives right yeah yeah i think texas had like three

different collectives high state obviously they got a couple people giving their money

Thank you. Texas, they had like three different collectives, right? Yeah.
I think Texas had like three different collectives. High State, obviously, they got a couple people giving their money.
And that's why Ken Kendrick is going to be the guy that's going to save West Virginia University. Oh, yeah, Ken.
Come on, Ken. We need you, Ken.
You've done good. Let's put West Virginia on the map there in that entirety.
Because now that they have the rev share and the salary cap, the NIL deals are still going to be very important important the thing about all the nil deals is you're not going to be able to pay 10 million for one car dealership visit though they're all going to have to get regulated but you can get like four five six deals so as long as you have them you're in a good spot they just all have to get stamped by that jury or judge or whatever the fuck it is i think we're going to a good spot college ball right right way might change in apr April 8th, 2025. Big ruling for college sports as a whole.
Big ruling for the future of sports as a whole. And how about college football being the clear number two sport in the United States of America? Oh, yeah.
Not even, you know? NFL, college football, and then everything else. WWE.
Yeah, just. WWE, I think, is probably the next.
And then everybody else is trying to catch up.

Football is a beautiful sport.

We're lucky to talk about it every single day.

We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do it for a living.

Let's get the hell out of here.

We're back tomorrow.

Aaron Rodgers is on tomorrow.

Okay.

Nice.

We have an answer.

He'll give us an answer tomorrow?

Yeah.

You think?

I retire on the spot.

That was a question. I think he knows.

We know the answer.

You tell me?

If he's coming back or not.

Hey, well, that would be a bit surprising if he tells us one way or the other.

One more time. retire on the spot that was a question i think he knows we know the answer you tell me if he's coming back or not hey well that would be that'd be a bit surprising if he tells us one way or the other well he's attached to nothing open to everything bingo it's a good mindset to have for everybody it is have an open mind you never know what's going to happen you know don't be scared to listen to new ideas don't be scared to think, well, that's a fucking stupid idea and just keep your life moving.
Because every once in a while, something beautiful is going to come through. And when it does, it could change your life forever.
It could change your perspective forever. And just like Jerry Jones said in that show, you don't want to be wishing to see a couple more suns come up.
You want to live every day like it's your last. Be a friend.
Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life.
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