PMS 2.0 1272 - More NFL Firings, Dan Orlovsky, Mike Greenberg, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this big Tuesday, January 7th, 2025, this sports program starts now.

Speaker 1 Football! It's wonderful and obviously we're in the biggest time for football that there is. College football playoffs, semifinals are just a few days away.

Speaker 1 Super wild card weekend also on the other side of that.

Speaker 1 And if you want to look outside the football world, some historic shit happened last night on Netflix in the Intuit Dome that I was lucky to be a part of.

Speaker 1 Monday Night Raw was broadcasted to 80% of planet Earth last night. Have no idea how many people are watching, but I do know it was quite an experience to be inside of that lovely building over there.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much Ballmer spent on that thing. I don't know what was reported, what was actual.

Speaker 1 I got to use some of the toilets that he put in there, and I got to experience the gladiator-like feel with the way it was built.

Speaker 1 And obviously, all the lights and the lasers and the show that that man put together, Mr. H last night to kick off a Netflix era, was nothing short of of fucking sweet.

Speaker 1 It was an honor to be there. Michael Cole was throwing his fastball.
Oh, yeah. I mean, he was throwing his absolute fastball.
John Cena was there.

Speaker 1 Our high chief, Dwayne The Rock Johnson,

Speaker 1 Saumi.

Speaker 1 Saumi.

Speaker 1 Man,

Speaker 1 I tried my absolute best. Chi Chun was awesome, obviously.
Good response from the crowd. Obviously, giving his daughters here the People's Championship title that Muhammad Ali's widow

Speaker 1 graced upon him during a WrestleMania run and the entire thing. It was a magical night.
The stars were out. There were so many people there.
Michael Che was there.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Dog from Saturday Night Live. I love that man.
Fluffy was there. Michael Cole was excited about that.
Yeah. Topanga was there.
Obviously. Thank God.
Topango was there. That was wild.

Speaker 1 That was a crazy scene. Crazy.
Seeing Boy Meets World right there to the left.

Speaker 1 I believe all the who's who of sports media was there. The heads of Netflix were there.
The heads of TKO Group were there. There was a lot of money in that building last night.

Speaker 1 And it was an honor to be there. Travis Scott, maybe my new favorite human on earth, just walking in there, blowing some vitamins and sage around with Fiend playing.

Speaker 1 I believe he created the new intro song for WWE. Travis Scott, 10-time Grammy nominated.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he is incredible. Obviously, he's got the shoe game on absolute luck.
I told him yesterday, I said, hey, in the Thunderdome, there's like 11, 12 guys that work there.

Speaker 1 We got about 45 pairs of Travis Scott at Cactus Jacks. Okay, so like, we appreciate everything you do.
Him with the hardcore championship last time.

Speaker 1 I think, I think, in his mind, he did win that last time, as he should have. And they should just give it to him and say, hey, Travis, you are the hardcore champion.

Speaker 1 Obviously, yeeting all over the place with this drone shot that they were doing all night was fantastic. And it was an honor to be back in there, man.
Legitimately, an absolute honor.

Speaker 1 And what a start. I have no idea what they do next week.
Yeah, good question. I have no idea.
Tough to talk. I have no.

Speaker 1 From the rumblings that I'm hearing is there's going to be a press conference here in a matter of moments to address one of the situations situations that took place with a beer conversation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm getting a little insight in the ear here from the back room. We'll see how that goes.
Maybe we'll hear from Hulkster. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 1 Big night for Monday Night Rawless. It was incredible right from the start, too.

Speaker 3 I mean, are you kidding me? Roman Reigns solo Sokoa off the top of the

Speaker 3 show to start it. I was pumped about it.
Some of the marks in the office weren't, but then Cena coming back, what a promo from him.

Speaker 3 I mean, basically, it was non-stop entertainment and no problems at all from Netflix. Like, it looked fantastic.
There was no connection issues, anything like that. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 What do you think?

Speaker 4 No, I was going to say, like, the quality.

Speaker 3 Like, it looked unbelievable.

Speaker 1 AKS, right? Just like the cameras are. Christmas games.
Just like the Christmas games on Netflix. It's like, damn,

Speaker 1 this is a clear picture. You know, because the Paul Tyson fight, Mike Tyson's name is going to, you know, ring all around the world.

Speaker 1 You know, and I'm not saying that that doesn't happen with WWE and Triple H obviously booked that thing for the entire world because the entire world is watching so you saw some big names massive names of the past undertaker makes an appearance he loves the texas longhorns buddy love he loves the texas longhorns Why are you doing that to the Longhorns?

Speaker 1 He says to me, that's the first thing. I said, what are you talking about? Are you talking about

Speaker 1 just for whatever reason, this thing just goes up here and then it just has to

Speaker 1 do one of those? He goes, stop doing that. I need you to stop doing that.
And then his wife, Michelle McCool, she goes, every time you do that, he goes, well, come on, Pat.

Speaker 1 Like he, Take was a little bit upset about the whole me picking against Texas. He's not the only one.
I picked against Penn State all year. I picked against Notre Dame all year.

Speaker 1 I've picked against Texas all year. I picked against Ohio State a couple of different times.
And they're obviously the four teams that remain.

Speaker 1 And I think the Texas football team needs to know they got a dead man, an American badass, that is willing to throw haymakers for their team as they go forward. This was awesome.

Speaker 1 He stops right here, actually. I don't know if they show it.

Speaker 1 Yep, hand up this guy. He looks at me to hook him right there.
That was what he just did right there. Hook him.

Speaker 1 And I have been told that maybe he hadn't been on that bike in a little bit really yeah maybe he hadn't been on the bike in a little bit that particular bike and it was a tight it was a tight tunnel on the way in and way out obviously the dead man's gonna perform he was on the first ever monday night raw that was broadcasted on tv 32 years ago and then obviously he's on the first raw that was being streamed globally on netflix him bruce pritchard who's obviously still a massive force in the wwe big old brain in the world and sean michaels were the three guys that are still with the company that were with it then and uh obviously, we're celebrating that all day.

Speaker 1 Triple H Nick Con, they should be incredibly proud of themselves. What a night.
And next Monday's in San Jose. Can't wait to see what you do.
Good luck. Yeah.
Good luck.

Speaker 1 I didn't know anything was happening. I had no idea Travis Cobb was coming out.
Had no clue that was happening. And then obviously the whole situation that happens on top of the commentators there.

Speaker 1 I'm like, this is awesome. I'm in the middle of this thing.
This is awesome. Cole got up there.
Yeah, Michael Cole was up there dancing right on beat.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he really nailed it.

Speaker 1 Nine-year NFL vet, Darius Jay Butler. Did you expect that out of Cole to be that? I expected it.

Speaker 2 I don't expect nothing less out of Cole. He decided that you were back.
Wait, come on, get up here, Pat. He's out there.

Speaker 1 He did. He forced me up on the desk.
I didn't want to do it because I'd stopped doing that because I thought it was a little bit too much. Yeah, I was doing a little bit too much.
His life alert.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 His Apple Watch.

Speaker 3 It works.

Speaker 1 He was like, hey, slow it down, bud. They thought he died because he was eating so hard.
Legit, it happened multiple times throughout the show. This was the first time that happened.

Speaker 1 I think his heart rate just remained up because then later, I think it was CM Punk Seth Rollins. He was in the middle of calling something and his watch is going off again.
Like, you're going to die.

Speaker 1 I'm like, like, yo, you need to potentially, you need to potentially get that check. The dap up, the bang plane, and then that one.
That's the one.

Speaker 1 That's the one. And remember,

Speaker 1 Michael Cole wanted me to make sure I told everybody, let's go to one half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys papa Gampino in the back. What did he say? He's a rap icon.
Is that what Michael Cole said?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he kept referencing the Sugar Hill gang. He was big with the Sugar Hill gang.
That was who he said it 25 times in a row.

Speaker 1 He literally, after the afternoon, make sure everybody knows I'm big with the rap game, I i think he said yeah he said i'm beloved by the rap community is what michael cole said he said i'm big in the rap world i'm a rap icon they say michael cole his arm looked like the uh inflatable wavy arm guy yeah that's like kind of his thing and then him following through like this one here i totally said that looked very natural look like look like you've done that a lot of times he goes i'm a member of community

Speaker 1 i'm a rap culture icon he literally and then he would pull up tweets this is after the show we're hanging out waiting for our cars to come pick us up because they're stuck in la traffic don't even want to get into it sure sure we're almost locked into los angeles for 15 hours because they shut down the airport because crazy

Speaker 1 stuff

Speaker 1 biden was taking the tractor another route yeah so they shut down yeah hunter we were told was he hanging out with holy i don't know if hunter was there i believe this is

Speaker 1 i believe this miss president oh big big guy joe joe biden the big guy i believe i believe is what i was told

Speaker 1 840 local I get a text message, hey, you need to get the plane by like 9.15 or you're not going to be able to get out of here until 1 p.m. tomorrow.

Speaker 1 15-hour lockdown. I said, excuse me, the car is, I don't even know.
Cars stuck in traffic, not even able to get into it.

Speaker 1 There were 17,000 people there last night. 17,000 people packed in that place.
It was... magnetic.

Speaker 1 But LA, obviously, 17,000 people in one place, it's going to be tough to kind of get that whole thing. Like, you need to get over there right now.
They're shutting the whole place down.

Speaker 1 I'm like, what do you mean they're shutting the whole place down? Shutting down the airspace, shutting down the ground because there is a massive VIP government official coming. So I'm like,

Speaker 1 can it get a heads up? How I got 40 minutes to get to a place that's 20 minutes away. My car's not even here.
So obviously 9.30 was the time that we were supposed to get to the airport.

Speaker 1 We get in the car finally at the Intuitum at 9.34. So that ship is sailed.
I thought I was going to be there. I thought I was going to get home at 8 p.m.
tonight.

Speaker 1 I thought I wasn't going to be able to take off until 4 p.m. because it shut it down.
Shout out to Karen, plane lady, made some calls, wheel deal. I don't know how much I paid.

Speaker 1 I'm assuming it's going to be a pretty hefty fee, but we got on that plane and we just waited for a time.

Speaker 1 And then shout out to air traffic control over there, too, just kind of letting us out, you know, that entire thing.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I was almost trapped in Los Angeles for 15 hours because they just shut down the airship. I didn't know that.
That just happens, I guess. Oh, yeah.
Makes sense. Supposed to happen today.

Speaker 1 They just moved it up to last night. They're like, yeah, hey, this is how this goes.
Sorry about it. You want to go see your daughter? I don't care.

Speaker 6 No. I like that Cole kept offering to catch the 1 a.m.
flight to Houston with them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was his big thing. So

Speaker 1 we're having a couple cocktails afterwards, waiting for these cars to get in to pick us up. And I'm like, I think I'm stuck here.

Speaker 1 And he just keeps pulling up tweets saying that he's an icon in the rap community. Look, look, look.
See what he's doing. He's, see, look at me, look at me.
And then he saw the high-five.

Speaker 1 He's like, nailed it. Like, Cole was really proud of himself.
But he had a great night. And I'm like, I think I'm stuck here.
He goes, why don't you go? We'll go to a renaissance with steak.

Speaker 1 Okay, we'll have a couple whiskeys. And then you hop on my plane to Houston.
Then he can get a plane from Houston to Indianapolis. I said, why the fuck would I do that? Cole.

Speaker 1 He goes, you want to be stuck here? I'm like, so I'm stuck in Houston then? What is kind the whole story here? He goes, I just want to hang out with you, man.

Speaker 1 Okay, if you don't want to do that, that's on you.

Speaker 1 Well, it's great to see you, Cole. We got out of there.
It was an awesome night, legendary night.

Speaker 1 And I am getting a heads up that one of the stars of last night's show is actually doing a live press conference. Let's uh let's head over to that right now.

Speaker 1 I believe Hulk Hogan is doing a live press conference to address everything that happened last night.

Speaker 1 Hello, and welcome to this press conference that I've called the day after arguably the greatest day in my professional career. Last night,

Speaker 1 tens and tens and tens and tens and tens of millions of people watched the Hulkster bring the house down on WWE Raw to usher in the Netflix era in the Intuit Dome.

Speaker 1 It's the greatest night of my life.

Speaker 1 With that,

Speaker 1 I'd like to open it up to a couple questions. That's good, Press Conference.

Speaker 3 Hi, Mr. Hulkster.
This is Peter Pence from the Mark Times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can tell you look like a Mark.

Speaker 3 Thank you. I appreciate that, I guess.
Booing was actually trending on X last night. I wasn't sure if you had any comments about the almost

Speaker 3 opening that you received when you were out on the stage, sir.

Speaker 5 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, if you think those were booze, I can tell you're a fucking mark, okay?

Speaker 1 I've been doing this a long time, kid, and you get used to the Hulk Hoo

Speaker 1 game.

Speaker 1 Now, I will admit, I heard a couple booze spattered across the crowd, and I'll be honest, I had no idea the people in LA hated Jimmy Hart the way they did.

Speaker 1 They took one look at him with his stringy hair, stupid sunglasses, and the way he was half-assed waving that flag around. And I should have expected it.

Speaker 1 Those liberal marks out there can't stand a MAGA champion like the Hulkster. But again, they weren't booing the Hulkster.
They were booing Jimmy Hart. Everybody loves the Hulkster, dude.

Speaker 1 The next question, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 Mr. Hulkster,

Speaker 1 Bill Markington, South African Times. Who lets this guy in?

Speaker 1 Get him out. Get him out.
I want questions from real Americans, brother.

Speaker 1 Hulkster, Bill

Speaker 1 Bazaranth, top turnbuckle.

Speaker 2 Do you think publication?

Speaker 8 Do you think anyone

Speaker 8 booing last night

Speaker 8 has ever tried a real American beer and after they try a real American beer would ever boo again?

Speaker 1 Listen, I don't want someone trying a real American beer who's going to boo. I just mentioned it.
I'll mention it again. There's goddamn liberals out there.
They can have their Bud Life.

Speaker 1 Those aren't real Americans. Those aren't my real Americans, dude.
The only Americans I want drinking real American beer are real Americans.

Speaker 1 The Bible Belt, the Midwest, anywhere where people don't bow down to Joe Biden. And they certainly do out there, brother.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Mr. Hoaxer, Dexter Bennett from The Daily Gimmick.

Speaker 2 While listening to you, trying to listen to you through the booze, I heard you talk about a 40-year run and how long you've been. Uh, John Cena, been on his last run.

Speaker 2 Any thoughts on you may be going on last run, and uh, who would you like to go up against if you were to do that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure, I got a couple thoughts. The hulkster would love to run through just a who's who of the WWE roster.
Give me Kofi Kingston, give me Xavier Woods, hell, give me Trick Williams.

Speaker 1 You can bring his ass up from NXT. Maybe some of the old guys, dude.
Godfather, see ya.

Speaker 5 Wait, there seems to be a stop it.

Speaker 1 I'm not done yet.

Speaker 1 Farouk,

Speaker 1 I'll get in the ring with his ass, too.

Speaker 1 I'm odd, plumber. You want some? I'm not scared of the Pearl River plunge.

Speaker 1 Any one of you guys can take a seat.

Speaker 2 Is that the end? That's the end of your list.

Speaker 1 Oh, I could go on and on, brother.

Speaker 1 But I'm going to end it at Mania

Speaker 1 with the high chief, Sui Ui Lala Tui Atewate.

Speaker 1 I want you, Dewey. I want you, Dwayne.

Speaker 1 In Vegas, at Mania, two nights. Hell, I'll beat your ass back to back.
It'll be the biggest WrestleMania ever, dude.

Speaker 1 Does that answer your questions from the Mark Tibbs or wherever the fuck you write for?

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 5 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm out of here.
I'm gonna go drink some real American beer. If you're one of those jackasses who was booing Jimmy Hart last night, fuck you.
You don't deserve real American beer.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna go find some real Americans who love that genuine, refreshing Pilsner, dude.

Speaker 1 All right. Wow.
All right, so that settles it. Yeah.
Feels like Hulkster understands what happened last night. Yeah.
Booed.

Speaker 1 I don't know if the

Speaker 1 journalist understood if it was booed or booing was trending number 12 last night, but when I looked at it after the show, it had 18,000 posts on booed for uh the hulkster but i'm happy he clarified it because he was there we weren't in his position yeah it was booing towards jimmy hart is what he said which makes a lot of sense now sure that i kind of think about it but in there there was a chance it was hulk

Speaker 1 dude i never really thought about that as well

Speaker 4 he got a little unhinged in there a couple different times is he okay you think i think i'm assuming the hulkers just jacked up i mean he mentioned it last night was one of the and this is a guy who's done everything there is to do in the wrestling business but last night arguably the the biggest night of his life he's obviously launching his his new his beer which is delicious i can only assume i've i've never actually tried but would love

Speaker 4 yeah i absolutely will but i i mean i get it you know how you get out there and and people are throwing shots at you saying jesus has hulk lost his fastball no The Hulkster has not lost his fastball.

Speaker 4 And that makes more sense. I'm glad he cleared that up.

Speaker 1 That's what it had to have been. They were booing Jimmy Hart.
They weren't booing the Hulkster. There's Hulkamaniacs everywhere.

Speaker 1 Well, he obviously knew that there was a narrative getting built quickly, which is why he had this emergency press conference.

Speaker 1 And I assume hopefully we'll get a chance to get Hulk Hogan on the show, not only just via a press conference, but the list of guys that he said he would take on seemed, and that was a good follow-up question by the journalist from the Daily Gimmick, I believe, was that

Speaker 1 it seemed to be a little bit of a trend there.

Speaker 1 A little bit. Yeah, a little bit of a trend.

Speaker 8 I'm excited to see the Ahmed Johnson

Speaker 1 match. Yeah, I don't think.
Oh, is that who? I don't think he said Ahmed Johnson Plumber. Ahmed Plumber.

Speaker 4 I'm pretty sure that's not his name.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Hulks.

Speaker 2 Are we sure that was the Hulkster?

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Right there? Yeah, are we sure? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Looks like him.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 2 I just wasn't sure. I was looking.
He sounded like him.

Speaker 1 I know, looked like him. He's a mustache.
You got to just be AI.

Speaker 2 You got to make sure these days.

Speaker 1 Well, and I guess we didn't. You're right.
I mean, I didn't even think about that not being Hulk Hogan. Yeah.
Wow. That was Hulkster.

Speaker 1 Did we hear his music? Because I am a real

Speaker 1 American.

Speaker 1 Fight for the rights of every man. When I played last night,

Speaker 1 the pong.

Speaker 1 That was really nice. I was looking straight down.
So I'm looking right across the ring, right down the tunnel, right? Before the arena sees, because there's a little bit of an extendo there.

Speaker 1 The way they had that setup was sick because the wall was right behind it.

Speaker 1 And I think the shot of High Chief turning around and then that wall of people behind him with his shot, I mean, it was so sick.

Speaker 1 And then CM Punk did the turnaround and look at that camera that was there. And then they zoomed out.
There was just people everywhere.

Speaker 1 But there was a time where they were walking through that tunnel where nobody in the arena sees it. And Jimmy Hart was swinging

Speaker 1 as soon as he got in that tunnel. I'm watching.
And I just see this flag coming. I'm like, here we go.

Speaker 1 And then, as soon as they get seen by that place,

Speaker 1 big Hulk Hoogan chicken.

Speaker 2 They even had the caption on Netflix for it.

Speaker 1 Hughes,

Speaker 1 crowding

Speaker 1 is what it said. Nonetheless, magical night, real American beer.
I can't wait to try it. Absolutely.
I can't wait to try it. The fact that it got a partnership with the WWE is crazy.

Speaker 1 That's the first time WWE has obviously ever had a partnership with a beer. I cannot wait to see how that all goes.
And everything on WWE is up and up. I cannot wait to be a part of it going forward.

Speaker 1 Now, speaking going forward, the Tennessee Titans are going to have to find a new general manager.

Speaker 1 This morning, the latest firing in the NFL firing cycle here is Rand Carthon, general manager of the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 1 If you do recall, his reign started with him walking into the Tennessee Titans building and everybody that works for Tennessee Titans coming out and giving him a standing ovation.

Speaker 1 Remember he and Mike Frabel a couple years ago, then he fell out of favor with Mike Frable and then Mike Frabel got fired. We signed with Rand Carthon.

Speaker 1 Ran Carthon brought in Callahan, brought in Will Levis. Now all of a sudden they're siding with Callahan.
Callahan was sticking around. Rand Carthon's getting fired.

Speaker 1 And this is from Jayken Ball, who I I would assume is, hey, oops, sorry, I get choked up about this because the AFC South is in such disagreement.

Speaker 1 I assume he is a Tennessee Titan fan. 2022, the Tennessee Titans sided with Mike Vrabel and they fired John Robinson, who traded A.J.
Brown away on draft night, if you all remember that.

Speaker 1 2023, they forced the marriage of Rand Carthon and Mike Frabel. Hey, we're going to side with Mike Vrabel.
We're not going to take any of your input on who the general manager is going to be.

Speaker 1 This is going to be the guy. You're going to like it or not.
Then they side with Rand Carthon.

Speaker 1 They fire Mike Vrabel, who's now being talked about for every head coaching job, obviously, after consulting with the Browns. Then they let Rand Carthon pick Brian Callahan.
It's going to be my guy.

Speaker 1 Callahan brings in his dad. Obviously, they're going to turn it all around.
Now in 2025, they signed Brian Callahan. They're fine Rand Carthon.
She's kind of one of these.

Speaker 1 You know, she's kind of one of these down there. And somehow, after looking at this, I don't think anybody would say that they're in the worst position in the AFC South at this exact time.
I think.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 No way. I don't think so.
I genuinely don't think so.

Speaker 1 Boom. Let's go down to Jacksonville now.

Speaker 1 Jacksonville, Lashad Khan, was doing a press conference via Zoom with Balky, who's been the general manager through multiple different eras down there in Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 If you do remember, Balky, the fans dressed like clowns going into the stadium to say that this clantan, the way Baukey is running this entire thing.

Speaker 1 Baukey has remained the general manager for the Jacksonville Jaguars through a lot of different coaching cycles, continuing right now.

Speaker 1 Here's Shad Khan talking about the future of the next head coach and their wants with Balky or without Balky, kind of?

Speaker 9 So I'd actually like to go back to

Speaker 9 the next question, Shad,

Speaker 9 back to you.

Speaker 9 I know you noted that if this head coaching candidate was to say hey i think the medical needs to be reevaluated the health and wellness if they were to say i would like to reevaluate the front office and the general manager what would your response be my response would be how would you improve it and and then if it is credible uh you know i mean

Speaker 10 you you want to do it Yeah, this guy right here,

Speaker 1 they come in and say it got better right then. And this guy, shit, I'm

Speaker 1 ears are wide open, brother. I can't wait.
Balkie's just got to sit there and, hey, it's just you and me on a Zoom right now. It's kind of an uncomfortable situation.

Speaker 1 But what I think I heard from Shad there is we keep Balki around because he's football guy in building.

Speaker 1 But if somebody comes in here and presents a better idea, who's going to be reporting directly to Shad Kahn? Remember, that is the change now. Coach is not directly reporting to Balki.

Speaker 1 Both are directly reporting to Shad Kahn. So if somebody comes in here with a good idea, sure, I'll kick this guy right off the Zoom.
I've been hearing what everybody's been saying.

Speaker 1 How's this guy around? And my son, Tony, is chief football strategist. He still has a job too.
Obviously, get rid of Doug Peterson.

Speaker 1 He might be happy about that if you go back to a couple of the press conferences.

Speaker 1 But when you think about the AFC South with this situation, with what's going on in Tennessee Titans, obviously, whenever they fire a Frabble, we all go, what, what, what?

Speaker 1 Now they're firing a GM, keeping the coach. It's just another, how's the culture going to get set? And then Indianapolis, obviously, hanging on to GM and head coach.

Speaker 1 Eight years into this thing, it's not working. You got to think, if you're the Houston Texans, you're sitting very pretty, Debuff.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. I mean, obviously, they're in the playoffs, hosting a playoff game.
And, you know, TJ Stroud didn't play up to the level that he played last year. But yeah,

Speaker 2 you're sitting pretty right now if you're a Houston Texan or if you're a Houston Texan fan. Now, the rest of the division

Speaker 2 is an absolute shite show, right? And we kept the GM and the head coach here. Fans aren't happy about that at all.
Obviously, we see what's going on in Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 Him in that moment, in that situation, been on the Zoom with Trent Balky right there, that's very, very awkward.

Speaker 2 But I am kind of, I respect the fact that, okay, if you got a plan, you got an open plan. I'm open to hear it.
You know, what is Aaron say? Open to everything connected?

Speaker 1 Attached to nothing. Open to anything.
Attached to nothing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so obviously, you know, Shahid Khan is on that same page. So, yeah, that was.

Speaker 7 I also saw that. That was breaking.

Speaker 2 I did see that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the Zoom name was. Yeah, have we been calling him the wrong names? I think she's cool.

Speaker 3 But she said,

Speaker 1 I had to pronounce a couple

Speaker 8 highnesses.

Speaker 1 High chiefs. Yeah, the eye silent.
Man,

Speaker 1 I love the Uses. I absolutely love it.
I try to pay as much respect as possible anytime I'm announcing any name.

Speaker 1 But if that thing's getting put right in front of me, just with one-day notice, that's gonna be tough for me to get. I do apologize.
Like Nico Iamaliava,

Speaker 1 pay respects, you know, Tuatangavaloa, pay respects. You know, all try my best to get it right.
Last night, I there was a couple. I mean, I had to write down the notes.

Speaker 1 You too, good son. Fair enough.

Speaker 1 Do you know that The Rock became the High Chief Seoli

Speaker 1 because it was bestowed upon him by His Highness High Chief Malea Toa Tuna Mafili II. I know him now.
Of course. Nailed it.
It's a good name. I didn't last night on the show.

Speaker 1 As was coming out of my mouth, god damn it, that's not right. I just disrespected the entire island of Samoa.
That's tough. And he's the highest.

Speaker 1 He is the highest of high. So I do apologize for that.
Shahid Khan, though, did say I'm open to anything here. This guy's currently here.
Could be gone. I mean, this guy could be gone.
I respect that.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 I respect it. Obviously, it's very, very awkward.
But you look at what Balky's done.

Speaker 2 He's definitely signed some good players. Obviously, this draft class with Brian Thomas Jr., he's been great, taking Walker, one overall.
You sign your quarterback.

Speaker 2 A lot of these GMs and head coaches, it's about hitting on the quarterback. That's the situation that's going over with Carthon out in Tennessee.
That's why he was fired.

Speaker 2 He tied his hitch to Will Levis. Obviously, that has not worked out.
So now you're going to get a new guy in there. You got the top pick.
You got quarterbacks here.

Speaker 2 So you have to hit on that quarterback. Jacksonville, they have a quarterback that they paid the second contract to.
They have some other pieces. Now you look at that contract.
He's bad, right?

Speaker 2 You look at that player,

Speaker 2 and now he's kind of like how we saw, say, probably Derek Carr, like Kirk Cousins a few years ago. Like, that would be like the barometer of what an average quarterback is.

Speaker 2 And what we're seeing right now, in my opinion, average quarterback getting paid, you know, huge sums of money, which is just kind of the nature of the business. But I wouldn't say he's, he's not bad.

Speaker 2 He's not good. He's average, but he has the tools and the talent to be a good quarterback.
We talk about Trevor Level.

Speaker 1 I wonder what coach is going to go down there. Legitimately, I wonder what coach is going to go down.
Let's go one half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, AP Tone. Who's being linked to the Jacksonville Jackson?

Speaker 8 I haven't heard anybody yet. I know that the Bears.

Speaker 8 The Bears are bringing the entire, if you've coached or even thought about coaching, the Bears are bringing you in. So are the Jets.
I haven't heard anyone requesting interviews yet.

Speaker 1 Kellen Moore, Todd Monkin, Joe Brady, Liam Conan, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, Patrick Graham, Bob Sala. So basically, all the names in the carousel are kind of getting interviewed by everybody.

Speaker 1 I think the Detroit Lions Zoom interviews for Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson are happening. I believe this weekend, Thursday through Sunday

Speaker 1 or something like that.

Speaker 1 And then the in-person visits isn't until after the division around. The NFL wanted to make sure that was the case.
So good luck to all these people getting the jobs.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is a man who has a job of being on television 24-7 during the football season.

Speaker 1 Texted me from his wife's phone this morning. Interesting.
Oh, odd. It was.
It was very weird. But he got his phone back.

Speaker 1 This guy loves eating adversity for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. He'll even create adversity for himself.
He'll say, hey, how do I stir up some shit for myself? Let me grab a microphone.

Speaker 1 Let me say something. And he does that every day, doesn't he? Oh, yeah.
But he'll step right back into the batter's box. How respected.
And that's why we love him.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, the face of ESPN, Dan Relust. Yeah, oh,

Speaker 1 Dan, what's up? What's up? All right, buddy. Good to see you.
Got your phone back. I'm happy for you.
An adult figured that whole thing out.

Speaker 10 Long, long 24 hours. Part of it was nice, not having a phone and constantly being attached to it.
And part of it was like, hey, at some point I need this thing to work.

Speaker 10 So I prefer you not to FaceTime my wife anymore, though. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That was an interesting situation when I'm FaceTime with a number I do not have saved in my phone, by the way.

Speaker 1 I got a text phone number I do not have saved in my phone saying, this is my wife's phone. If you need anything, text this number.
And I'm like, who, you know, who is

Speaker 10 what happened was like yesterday my phone stopped working at like

Speaker 10 one or two o'clock.

Speaker 10 But I would randomly occasionally get like a text message would show up on my apple watch this whole thing but i'm the apple watch also wouldn't work so i saw that you had texted along with some other people and i'm like all right pat you know some people i chose not to respond to just because i don't need to really get back to you right now you were the one of the people that i was like i should probably just get back to them so man i feel good about that thank you for that and you did have an excuse not to answer anybody you know when that's what i like whenever my phone just shits the bed it's like sorry i what do you got what do you want from me so i appreciate you getting back and finding any means necessary Did the phone company tell you that the phone decided to quit because it was a part of so many bad takes?

Speaker 1 Is that something?

Speaker 10 It certainly hit me with the you need a new phone thing, but

Speaker 10 I don't think they said the latter part.

Speaker 10 I think you made that one off.

Speaker 1 I did. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 What take?

Speaker 10 What take do you disagree with or don't like?

Speaker 1 I saw what you did to Shannon Sharp about Sterling Sharp. That did feel pretty good.

Speaker 1 That'd feel pretty good.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but I didn't know Shannon was going to say that.

Speaker 10 I had gathered that information for myself to use and I had absolutely no idea that Shannon was going to make that comment.

Speaker 10 And so right when he started first talk, first started talking, I was like, oh my gosh, because I had gotten that stat from Hembo two hours before.

Speaker 10 I had texted Hembo, has there ever been a triple crown receiver not make the playoffs? And he responded back with Sterling Sharp, 1992. So I was like, all right, great.

Speaker 10 I'm going to use that at some point today. And then when he started first started talking, I was like, oh my gosh, he just opened the door for it.

Speaker 1 It's coming. Yeah.
Yeah. Especially whenever you're getting dunked on all the time.
It's nice to windmill one back. You know, so way to go, Dano.
Robbie, Dano.

Speaker 10 I don't feel like I get dunked on all the time, though. So

Speaker 1 of course not. And we'll just keep the phone off.
You'll never know.

Speaker 1 You know, like Bill Burr said something about, you know, if you don't open any apps, do you know if you're canceled? And then you just got to go about your life when you don't have.

Speaker 10 Did I get dunked on yesterday?

Speaker 1 I assumed.

Speaker 1 I mean. No, I think yesterday you actually won the yesterday.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 it's been elsewhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're actually

Speaker 1 on a little bit of a streak right now. Yeah.
Yesterday, potentially today,

Speaker 1 maybe tomorrow.

Speaker 1 You know, maybe 10 days from now. Maybe two days from now, you know, in this entire thing.
We're going to talk about the AFC South being in complete disarray.

Speaker 1 Rand Carthon got fired this morning from the Tennessee Titans, but they keep Callahan.

Speaker 1 Jacksonville Jack, just learning that. Okay, sweet.
Jacksonville Jaguars fired Doug Peterson.

Speaker 1 They keep Trent Balki, but then Shahid Khan on a Zoom call says, I'll get fucking rid of this guy if I have to.

Speaker 1 If you have a better idea than me, I'll get rid of this guy. Then you talk about the Indianapolis Colts.
Obviously, we're keeping Shane. We're keeping Chris Ballard.

Speaker 1 We're going to continue to do this thing. I have the utmost faith in this crew, says Jim Mercy.
So, all right, let's hope they can put the pace back into the tube.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about all those situations? And if you're the Houston Texans, do you understand that now is the time?

Speaker 1 Like we can really go on maybe even like a a five to 10 year run here and keep going all in like Casario has done? Or what are your thoughts on what's happening in the AFC South?

Speaker 10 Yeah, if you're Houston, you think massive advantage. And all Houston really has to do is really try to attack the offensive line of the offseason to get them to play a little bit better.

Speaker 10 And I do think Bobby Slovak needs to just continue to evolve as a play caller. Last year, so much success.

Speaker 10 I had talked all offseason, like it was a little bit of a mirage because CJ was so remarkable on third down that it kind of band-aided a lot of the other stuff.

Speaker 10 And that hasn't been the case this year. Obviously, the two injuries to the wide receivers, big deal.

Speaker 10 So they go into the playoffs with a little bit of like banged up when it comes to how well they're capable of playing and maybe lower expectations than they had in September, but they still have organizational alignment.

Speaker 10 You still sit there and say ownership, general manager, front office people, and their head coach are aligned, at least it seems like, and they're still super young and talented.

Speaker 10 Indy's got question marks of Anthony, is Anthony going to develop? Are they going to bring in something to kind of compete with Anthony? You know, Jacksonville's restarting again.

Speaker 10 Tennessee restarting. Is the new general manager going to keep Brian Callahan? Is Brian Callahan being, is he like mandated by ownership that he's staying there?

Speaker 10 So I think there's a lot of moving parts with all those other organizations. And if you're Houston, you're like, hey, we got to make sure that we keep the quarterback.
upright and clean.

Speaker 10 If we do that, we should run this division for the next five years.

Speaker 1 Slokes getting head coaching interviews we assume and continue to do so uh depending upon how many more jobs open up if any more jobs open up everybody's interviewing everybody but there is a name uh that has been on television that we all love got a great set of teeth and a lot of moxie let's go over to new york connors a question for you yeah dan obviously the jets are in a bit of a predicament and this season didn't go how they thought it was and then rex ryan was on a radio show not sure if you heard it but we do have the clip here fox you can run that you think you're going to get this job right you think you're going to be the next head coach of the jets Oh, 100%.

Speaker 5 Absolutely, I do. And the reason I think I'm going to get it is because I'm the best guy, and it ain't close.

Speaker 5 The thing that you have to do, you have to connect with the football team, you have to connect with your fan base, and the way they play, that's the most important thing.

Speaker 5 Not just the X's and O's and all that. Look, this Ben Johnson, I love him.
I absolutely love him, but I'm a better candidate for this job than he would be.

Speaker 3 What do you think about that, Dan? And what do you think the Jets are going to do with all the decisions they have to make in both the front office and with the head coaching staff?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, he's being genuine there after you know, working every Monday for the past three years with him. He's being genuine.

Speaker 10 I think the one thing that I will share about Rex is I've had so many moments on TV with him where he's had to be talking about coaching.

Speaker 10 And yes, sometimes he does go into like you know, the salesman part of it in a way because I think he's so passionate about it.

Speaker 10 But then sometimes when a coach does something or says something that he disagrees with, or maybe it's not in the best interest interest in his eyes of what's best for the team or the player and you can feel how much that bothers him and how much being in that coaching role and in that locker room and with those guys like still is such a fabric of who he is so i don't think that's a phony kind of i'm just saying this to be you know out or hyperbolic in the moment like i i honestly believe that he believes the things that he's saying um

Speaker 10 you know the jets are super interesting because i do think that there are organizations in the league that have to play a certain way of football. Like, you have to play a certain style of football.

Speaker 10 The Jets and the Giants are definitely one of those. Like, those teams that are in certain climates, they have to play a certain style.
They have to have a certain identity.

Speaker 10 And the Jets kind of have lost that a little bit. I think the Giants have lost that as well.

Speaker 10 And I think that, like, there is an element that you have to be big and physical and tough and nasty.

Speaker 10 And it's not maybe about how great your quarterback is or how unbelievable your past game could be but like can you win those those nasty bad weather cold ground and pound like rex had in unbelievable defense games and um i don't know if they're gonna hire rex or not um but i do think that it it's a he's certainly a viable candidate but he you got to make sure that his offensive philosophy is a little bit more modern age than it was maybe six or seven years ago.

Speaker 1 I assume it would be with the modern offensive coordinators that'll be available for him to hire if he was to take the coaching job.

Speaker 1 Did him and Tannenbaum ever break bread in the green room over there at ESPN that you watched?

Speaker 10 I don't think so.

Speaker 10 I don't know if they've ever been on really because Rex has really only been a Monday guy and Tannenbaum, I don't think has been on many Mondays.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Tannenbaum Tuesdays.

Speaker 10 Yeah, Tannbaum Tuesdays. So I don't think I don't, I don't remember them kind of crossing paths.

Speaker 1 Because the 33rd team is a part of this, right? Consulting in this entire thing. So obviously they're the ones that have put together every name that is available

Speaker 1 for the Woody Brick Johnson family, Chris Johnson to kind of look at and see what they need to do. Rex Ryan getting back over there would be awesome for football.
I'd miss him on TV. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he'd be on TV more potentially with press conferences.

Speaker 1 So we need to remember and culture being built, I think that's a big part of what's happening now for the successful team.

Speaker 2 And I agree with everything Dan said with how that team needs to be built.

Speaker 2 And I kind of referenced the Jets yesterday talking to Cole as like the bad guys because when they were good, when they were the best, that's kind of how they viewed themselves.

Speaker 2 That's kind of how they played football. I remember Rex being on hard knocks, and I actually visited Rex in 09 when I came out for the draft for like a top 30 visit.

Speaker 2 And we sat in there, and the one clip Rex showed me was

Speaker 2 his team getting his Baltimore Ravens defense getting a pick. I think Wes Walker, Smiley and the Patriots made like a late block down the field.
Come on.

Speaker 2 Ravens get the pick, and it was just guys just pilling caps, just crack back, bomb, bomb, bomb, show the play probably about 18, 30 seconds.

Speaker 2 He's like, hey, this tight of defense you're going to have to want to play for if you come here. If If we take you here, this kind of thing.
That was kind of it.

Speaker 2 It was a quick meeting, boom, in and out of there. So, like, Rex is like, that's who he is.
Like, that shit you see on TV. That's who he is.
That's who he is in front of his team.

Speaker 2 And, like, Dan said, you do need maybe a more modern offense, but physical defense, being able to run the football, that's the type of program that Rex is going to run.

Speaker 1 Well, Belichick said the other day, he was like, the Chicago Bears

Speaker 1 got a bunch of weapons and a quarterback, but not an offensive line.

Speaker 1 They play in Chicago.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the weather is going to affect. It was like the shots that Bill takes at people are like at a level where it's like, this is pretty simple if we really think about it.

Speaker 1 And you made that point there about the Jets and the Giants. It's like, hey, weather's going to be crop.
Like

Speaker 1 you're going to have to be able to run the rock at some point. And neither of those teams really have been able to, even with Brees Hall and

Speaker 1 Braylon Allen. Braylon Allen.
Braylon Allen. It was like, I thought this was going to be the

Speaker 1 potentially be the one.

Speaker 2 Rex got, remember he got to the FC championship with Sam

Speaker 2 in franchise back i think that was the year they beat us in the division round one

Speaker 1 14 to 2 we had the out of them i think they beat the colts before they beat the picks yeah yeah like we had a couple years back to back there where we were running into the jets in the playoffs obviously we let them in because we lost week uh 50th game

Speaker 1 they win we let them in everybody's like you're gonna let rex ryan into the playoffs and then when rex beats you it's gonna be a full one and then we beat him we go to the super bowl we lose to drew brees and then the next year time management issue Vinny hits like a 50-yard field goal with a minute something left in the game to take the lead.

Speaker 1 We kick it off, big return. I actually tackle a guy on sideline around their 40 or our 50.
Then Nick Folk was going to have to hit a 48-yard field goal, I think. We call a timeout.

Speaker 1 We call a timeout.

Speaker 2 Got to prick.

Speaker 1 It was like second down.

Speaker 1 So he takes a shot to Braylon, I think. Yep, it was.
Down the sideline, catches it. Timeout they take.

Speaker 1 It was like, why did we, what why we give damn them an opportunity he kicks like a 25 yarder or a 30 yarder they end up beating us they go i think to new england that was the can't wait part scott here yeah new england and can't wait

Speaker 1 that entire thing but that run there obviously everybody makes fun of sanchez and mark sanchez because of the butt fumble that's all anybody remembers but it's like that team was very good and on hard knocks they were awesome they were like must watch the jets were like dude they were must watch there was like debricisha ferguson and nick mangold and dude they were like, that's how they flipped that franchise.

Speaker 10 I think they took both those guys in the same draft. And that was really the turning point.

Speaker 10 And like, that's the fascinating thing for me about the whole, what are the Patriots going to do and what are the Bears going to do? Because you can fall in love with,

Speaker 10 let's have, like, my perspective is this.

Speaker 10 Most guys that are great for just the quarterbacks when it comes to like coaches are probably not the best for those cold weather climate organizations.

Speaker 10 Like most people that are really good play callers, I don't want to say most people, but like from my perspective is, you know, like, oh, this guy's super smart X's and O's and he's really good with, you know, getting the quarterback to play well.

Speaker 10 Well, how good is he going to be for developing the overall toughness of the football team and mindset of the football team to play a certain brand of football in these climates that's necessary?

Speaker 10 Because most quarterback people aren't tough asses.

Speaker 1 They're not.

Speaker 10 You know, they may be like highly intellectual or they see the game in a really advanced pass game concept way, but they're probably not like BAs. And so that's why I find

Speaker 1 Bruce Arian. Yeah.
Great coach. Yeah, Bruce Arians.

Speaker 10 I find like the Chicago one, and people get mad at me about it, but like I find the Chicago one and New England one because it's like we can fall in love with the, oh my gosh, we're going to do whatever is best for the quarterback.

Speaker 10 But that's not necessarily what's best for that team in that organizational situation in that weather climate.

Speaker 1 Just another thing to kind of echo your sentiment there,

Speaker 1 you got to be able to motivate the boys to go practice in 15 degree weather on a Wednesday, week 15.

Speaker 1 Week 14.

Speaker 10 Because you might be playing in 30 degree weather on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like you got to build the culture in those cold weathers. A lot, no offense to anybody else, but cold weather takes a lot more motivating to get everything done on a day-to-day basis.

Speaker 1 So you got to have somebody that's culture. And you talk about all the play calls.
Sean McVay is out there in L.A. Kevin O'Connell is in a dome, right? In the entirety.

Speaker 1 Matt LaFlore, I guess, would be...

Speaker 10 Ben Johnson, Dome.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson, Dog Sloick down there in Houston. But Matt LaFleur, I guess, would be the one, right? Because he's over there in Green Bay.
Because I'll call it Andy Reid would be another guy.

Speaker 1 But I think he's a culture builder as well.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I think he's classic.

Speaker 1 Not classic. I think he's like...

Speaker 10 maybe one of one when it comes to being able to call offense and also build a culture and everything like i i think about it like i don't mean to cut you off but i think of like it like lamar with harbaugh it wasn't just like an offensive centric thing uh josh Allen with Sean McDermott, Dan Quinn, Jaden Daniels, obviously D'Amico and C.J.

Speaker 10 Stroud.

Speaker 10 As much as I love X's and O's, like we have to stop thinking that the best thing is, oh my gosh, we're going to need to hire a head coach, and it's got to be about the quarterback.

Speaker 10 It's certainly part of it, yes. But your quarterback will play well if everybody else on your team plays well.

Speaker 10 The likelihood of your quarterback playing well when everyone on your team is playing well is significantly higher than the team playing well just because the quarterback's playing well.

Speaker 1 Or the team playing well and the quarterback shit in the bed. In the NFL, normally if team's playing well, quarterback is going to play well at this level.

Speaker 1 That's why there are some players, quarterbacks, that people think don't have as much talent, but they're in a good situation and they play out of their mind because the team is so good.

Speaker 1 I love that we are back to a point, though, where it's like, we need football culture in these places. That's good for society, I think, as a whole.
And you talk about quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about a couple of the young quarterbacks. Go ahead, D-Buck.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a couple of these young quarterbacks, I think, with very good coaches when it comes to creating a culture. Bo Nicks and Jaden Daniels had two, you know, great rookie seasons.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Sean Payton, also alongside Andy Reid, is a guy who can build a culture, can call player. That's awesome.
Another one. That's 100% on me.
Sean, I apologize. Probably

Speaker 10 Bill Parcells.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, tough ass. So, you know, Jaden Daniels, Bo Nicks, good years.
But now going into the playoffs, obviously, you know, everything steps up a notch on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 2 Who do you have more confidence in going into this playoff run? Jaden Daniels over with the the Commanders or Bo Nicks with the Denver Broncos?

Speaker 10 I got more confidence in Jaden.

Speaker 10 I think that, you know, Jaden actually should, I think it's going to play well against Tampa.

Speaker 10 One, I think Tampa's defense plays way too soft on the perimeter. They give up completions.

Speaker 10 Jaden's a completion-centric, completion-driven quarterback with their no-huddle offense, and he spits the ball out real quickly. So, you know, they better play better and more

Speaker 10 take away some more air off the line of scrimmage on the perimeter, Tampa defensively, because, you know, Washington will have a lot of success in the past game if that doesn't change so I think they could play well if you go back to week one one of the things that stood out in that game where Jaden's legs were a massive part of that game and I don't remember exactly who won that game

Speaker 10 The Bucs won it, but Jaden, and the thing is, like Bucs defensively, you're getting a totally different kid. I remember in that first game, Jaden played a little bit hesitant.

Speaker 10 He didn't necessarily trust what his eyes kind of were looking at and didn't take some shots down the field that I thought that were there.

Speaker 10 Obviously, that is a long time ago and he has grown a lot, but I have a lot of faith in him. I really do.

Speaker 10 I think that, again, their no-huddle offense is such a big deal to try to get defenses to play slow.

Speaker 1 I have

Speaker 10 a high level of confidence with Bo Nicks. The thing with Bo that'll be interesting is

Speaker 10 in that game specifically as well is how does Buffalo defensively handle Cortland Sutton? Because Sutton is a problem because he's so big. You know, he's such a mismatch guy.

Speaker 10 How do they handle their perimeter screen game?

Speaker 10 You know, that's one of the things that probably hasn't been talked about enough in Denver is their perimeter screen game has created a lot of opportunities.

Speaker 10 And then some of the shots downfield, you know, that's a big part of their offense is, and that's always been the Sean Payton thing. They want to run the football.
They can.

Speaker 10 They can put beefy people on the line of scrimmage. They're going to try to run it against Buffalo's front.
There's no doubt about it. The perimeter screen game.

Speaker 10 And then he's going to drive the ball to some seams. and take some shots down the field to Sutton.
And, you know, Buffalo's a really good defense. They take the ball away.

Speaker 10 That's one of the reasons why they've statistically not been awesome. They do give up yards.
They don't necessarily have a dominant element of their team defensively outside of the takeaways.

Speaker 10 And Bo has valued the football really well this year. And so I think both of these young guys have the chance to play well.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Whenever you talk about the award season, you know, because you're in AP, obviously these guys, rookies, are in the conversation for Offensive Rookie of the Year. AP Tone has a question for you, pal.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Dan, my AP brethren, we had to turn in our first and second team all-pros yesterday.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow, we have to turn it. When did you have to do it?

Speaker 10 Yesterday.

Speaker 1 You're a practicer. Did you guys.

Speaker 7 Yesterday.

Speaker 2 So you sent him to Acho to clear him already?

Speaker 8 Yeah, you sent him to Acho a couple hours before.

Speaker 1 He's a little busy. He's a little busy right now, but

Speaker 10 hey, let's not have any uncomfortable conversations, all right?

Speaker 1 Oh, damn. Damn!

Speaker 1 Come on, dance!

Speaker 1 You hang him, I'll bang him. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaking of

Speaker 1 just kidding. But I'll talk about baseball.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 That was about

Speaker 1 AP voting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
MVB, MVP.

Speaker 3 What's the AP stand for?

Speaker 1 All-Pro.

Speaker 8 It was yesterday. Okay.
Tomorrow, we have to turn in our top five for all the votes.

Speaker 1 That's not how you say that, bro.

Speaker 3 Whenever you started doing that, you became a real prick.

Speaker 1 That's all right. Me? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I don't know what I did.

Speaker 1 Yesterday. How I say that.
Came out the womb saying that?

Speaker 10 I don't know, dude. I don't really think hard about how I say the word yesterday.

Speaker 1 Boom! Yesterday.

Speaker 1 Yes, I did. You do, because you just said it.

Speaker 10 No, I don't. You really think that I spend brain power on how I say that word?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 That's an interesting thing with you, you know, because

Speaker 1 how do you generate all that brain power to watch all the film that you have, to have all the takes that you have, and also think about how you say words yesterday?

Speaker 1 I think what Connor says is you drop that one in there. It's like when people say hammer,

Speaker 1 that's like dropping the insert right into one particular word, but the rest of their life they speak regularly.

Speaker 1 I think what Connor says is that you have a Massachusetts accent on one word, and then the rest of your sentence, there's nothing else, right, Conman?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you went to UConn, someone said it, and it was cool. And I get that because I use the Pittsburgh accent too, but I won't say like, that's not how I say flowers.

Speaker 3 I say flowers as like a Pittsburgh thing, but I don't say flowers. I say flowers.

Speaker 1 You get it? Yeah.

Speaker 10 No, I don't. I also have a son who has a Boston accent with the letter R.
We have a son named Hunter.

Speaker 1 He drops his arm.

Speaker 10 And my son named Noah calls him Hunta. And he's not from Boston.

Speaker 1 Well, that's because he's hearing his dad say yes today all the time.

Speaker 1 That's what you're doing. It's another generation.
Anyways, yesterday, you guys had to put in a vote for the AP.

Speaker 8 Yeah, for the all-pro teams. And then tomorrow is our top five.
You got to send in your top five for the awards. I don't know how long you've been a voter, Dan.

Speaker 8 Is this the hardest year ever, especially for like MVP and defensive player of the year? Because

Speaker 8 it feels like there's a lot of options.

Speaker 1 Town's regretting it massively having to do these votes.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 10 the MVP vote has been super easy this year.

Speaker 10 Yeah, this is my second year voting.

Speaker 10 I mean, it was hard this year. It really was.

Speaker 10 I actually tried to, I'm not allowed to say who I voted for. I tried to have

Speaker 10 a double offensive player of the year,

Speaker 10 you know, kind of vote. So we'll see how much that flies.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 10 it was really hard for MVP.

Speaker 1 I think offensive player of the year.

Speaker 8 You're allowed to put two number ones for offensive player of the year? I tried to.

Speaker 1 I tried to.

Speaker 1 What are you doing, Peter? What are you doing? What are you doing? I tried to.

Speaker 10 I'm trying to celebrate these guys. I'm not trying to be like other people and tear them down.

Speaker 13 All right.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, you got a duty, Bob. Throw pizza.
You got an AP vote. There's only 15.
You, You, Acho, Toon, 47 others that we don't know. Body, Tom Brady, Rob Body, Tommy.

Speaker 1 Johnny Fawkes.

Speaker 11 NBC was hard.

Speaker 10 Offensive player of the year was hard.

Speaker 10 Defensive player of the year was hard, but just because maybe there wasn't one person that was like the standout dominant, unbelievable player, like Hendrickson leads the league in sex.

Speaker 10 They don't get in. Their defense was really bad.
So like, how do you evaluate all that?

Speaker 10 You know, Miles Garrett led the league in tackles for losses. They were a bad football team.
So like, how do you you evaluate all that?

Speaker 10 You know, Kyle Hamilton maybe doesn't have like the statistics that like a Kirby Joseph does, but he saves Baltimore season when he goes from the nickel back to safety because then Marlon's playing nickel and Marlon's

Speaker 1 type of

Speaker 10 Zach Bond, you know, probably one of the better inside linebackers, one of the best defenses. Patrick Sertan, best corner at his position on one of the best defenses.
So that was tough.

Speaker 10 I thought offensive rookie of the year was relatively easy.

Speaker 10 Defensive rookie of the the year I thought was relatively easy as well.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 Tone didn't show us his final votes, but Tone did let us in on how miserable his life is right now trying to piece these together. And I think there is a lot of regret from Tone for accepting this.

Speaker 10 On which one?

Speaker 1 So think about this situation, Neckabrew, and I tossed it into Tone's life. This is not Tone's voting.
This is me just pointing out how happy I am that I said I'm not doing it and Tone will do it.

Speaker 1 Let's say you vote Josh Allen for the MVP. Then Lamar Jackson's year would be.

Speaker 10 A lot lot comes with that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Josh, well,

Speaker 1 especially whenever you're white and, you know, that to America situation going on with Dan Orlovsky on, yeah, Dan, we know what you're doing. But let's just say you vote Josh Allen for MVP.

Speaker 1 Then you've got, we know what you're doing, Dano. Don't you know? Yesterday, the day before, the day before that, and probably the future.

Speaker 1 But whenever you vote that guy MVP, then you would think Lamar then offensive player of the year. So then what does that mean? Saquon gets nothing in that entire thing? Can the corn.

Speaker 1 So then let's say you put Lamar in there. D-Butt said you're not allowed to vote for Jack for offensive player of the year.

Speaker 2 I don't think offensive player of the year should ever be a quarterback because we know the MVP is going to a quarterback. So I think offensive player of the year has got to be Saquon or Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 And since the Bengals aren't in the playoffs and Saquon did something very, very unique, just like the Triple Crown is, it's got to be Saquon.

Speaker 1 I don't have a vote, though. Exactly.
So this was the shit that we put around. All All right, Ton's flexing and he has a vote right now.
That is not what he's doing.

Speaker 10 It's okay to feel yourself a little bit, but I like it.

Speaker 1 No, he's not feeling himself whenever he's typing and answering. And then.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Oh, God.
Dude, he's doing crazy.

Speaker 10 You got to have some conviction with what you're doing, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, how can you have conviction whenever you know that it's impossible to award one person to have the best season or most value?

Speaker 10 Someone actually hit me up on Twitter a couple weeks ago and said we should have an MVP for every position. And I was like, all right.

Speaker 1 And then someone was like, not everybody gets an MVP.

Speaker 1 They're a part of the problem.

Speaker 1 You're a part of the problem. And tell that person they're part of the problem.
And tell that person to stop deleting their tweets, too.

Speaker 1 Tell them not everybody gets an award, but there is numerous people that deserve an award this year. But the way these things normally work, you don't get the MVP.

Speaker 1 Well, then you get normally the player of the year. But it's like, so if Lamar's MVP, Josh wins nothing on this particular season because Saquon wins Offensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 1 And if Saquon's not winning any awards, then he's going to win a Super Bowl, right? Well, Ty has a question for you, Dano.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Dano, it came out today actually that Jalen Hurts is still in the concussion protocol. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I know you're not a neurologist or a doctor, but how concerned do you think Eagles fans should be with that? And also, if he can't go, who are they going to start?

Speaker 4 Because, you know, McKee looked pretty good last week, maybe even better than Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I would be pretty concerned as of right now.

Speaker 10 You know, this is a long time without practicing. Now, I heard Saturday on GetUp talking about, because my thought was, well, I wonder if he's not practicing.

Speaker 10 Is he able to be throwing on the side and kind of working up a sweat and maybe throwing routes on air or whatnot? And I thought Jeff intimated that that's not even allowed as well.

Speaker 10 So he was saying like 16 days has it, it's been since any type of football activity.

Speaker 10 And if that's accurate, that does give me a little bit of like, oh man, you know, that's, that's a really long time, you know, for a quarterback to be off.

Speaker 10 And so I'll be interested to see what the next 48 hours are because, you know,

Speaker 10 Wednesday is obviously the start of the week. So if he's out there tomorrow and practicing and he's cleared everything and he's full clear for practice, then I really don't have a ton of concern.

Speaker 10 But if it bleeds into tomorrow and he's not able to kind of partake in at least some parts of practice, then that gives me a high level of hesitation if I'm Philly. And let's be very clear.

Speaker 10 If you're Philly and Jalen, for some reason, cannot play, you 100%, if healthy, start Kenny Pickett. No offense to Tanner McKee.

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett's played a lot of football.

Speaker 10 You are 100% playing Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Let him spin it.
I would like to hear how the Johns over in Philadelphia feel because if Jalen Hurts isn't playing, once again, 16 days, we hope he's okay.

Speaker 1 If this concussion continues to linger, we're all going to be sending positive thoughts and prayers for whatever's going on with his brain and how he feels and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Because that's a big, like, how do you feel type thing with concussion.

Speaker 1 So if he doesn't feel right this far after concussion we hope everything's okay going forward but we would assume that kenny picket tandem key might not take them to a super maybe we will and nick foles did it yeah okay agreed that's big richard nick foles we don't we don't know if

Speaker 1 big dickets swinging around but there is a chance

Speaker 1 there is a chance there is a chance that he is able to pull that off relax dano please geez yesterday everything was fine but if they don't let's say they lose to the packers okay in the first round, which there's a chance.

Speaker 1 So this Eagles team doesn't get the all-time rushing record, chooses not to do it, has a first-round exit after having a great season. Sirianni is going to get absolutely destroyed

Speaker 1 by so many people. And it's like he doesn't have his quarterback, doesn't have this, doesn't have that.

Speaker 1 And there's a chance that this Philadelphia Eagles season that was so magical for so long, historic, record-breaking, going to be fun. There's a chance that it all ends quickly.

Speaker 1 And the Johns over there in Philly are going to be so pissed. They are going to be

Speaker 1 so, Dan, legit. I've I've had the opportunity

Speaker 1 bingo. I've had a chance to talk to a couple of Eagles fans.
They are not happy that Saquon didn't go for that record.

Speaker 1 They are not happy that the Philadelphia Eagles don't own the all-time leading rushing record.

Speaker 1 And I've tried to explain, like, well, if Saquon's going to play, that means the entire offensive line got to play. That means like everybody's going to have to play going forward.

Speaker 1 And they're like, who cares? Like, everybody else did it. Hardball has got the boys ready for one more week of toughness.
MC DC was like, we're playing, man.

Speaker 1 Like, everybody decided to play, but we decided to rest because we didn't want to do it. And it's like, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 1 If Saquon or anybody gets hurt because they're playing in a meaningless game, last game of the season, Sirion is going to get murdered. I mean, he's going to get absolutely killed for mismanagement.

Speaker 1 So it's a tough position. But if, let's say Saquon doesn't win Offensive Player of the Year, he doesn't get the rushing record.
And now a question mark at quarterback.

Speaker 1 It's like, what if they don't win? I mean,

Speaker 1 we are Sirion.

Speaker 8 It would be chaos. It'd be a total failure.

Speaker 10 It'd be a total failure of an unbelievable season and the season that you get nothing for. So that's how I said that last week.
Like, once they decide to sit him, I get it. I get all the football.

Speaker 13 You better go win the whole thing then because that's the only reason, that's the only way that the decision to not play is paid off.

Speaker 13 It doesn't pay yourself off if you're losing the NFC title game on a game-winning kick. And all of a sudden, you're sitting there mid-February, and I go, I got nothing.

Speaker 10 I got nothing to show for it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we love Sirianni, but I mean, that's the game. And I get it.
The game can be cold sometimes.

Speaker 1 Daniel Relofsky's a cold sum bitch, too.

Speaker 1 We appreciate you, Dano. We'll be back next hour with AJ Hawking.
Greeny? What? Wow.

Speaker 1 See you then.

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Speaker 1 He's fantastic. We can't thank you enough for joining us.
The Toxic Tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys AP Tone is here. Boys, it sounds like he doesn't want to.

Speaker 1 No, I just want to get it right.

Speaker 1 I just want to get it right. A little bit of a blender over there whenever you're having to put an actual number on who's winning what.

Speaker 1 Defensive player of the year, I'll tell you what, there's some stats out there that are alarming for a lot of guys. There's a lot of great defenses.

Speaker 1 Offensive player of the year, well, who's that going to do? The person that didn't win the MVP, or is it the person that's the best on offense that isn't a quarterback?

Speaker 1 There's obviously some disagreements within the Thunderdome. I couldn't imagine across the entire country.
How do they ever get it right? Is the real question over time.

Speaker 1 But so many legacies and contract escalators and Hall of Fame nods all come down to you getting it right alongside Ocho and 48 others.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I just want to get it right, and I'm I'm taking it very, very seriously. I don't know if everybody does.
They should, though.

Speaker 8 Because this is people's legacies.

Speaker 1 What? Who doesn't?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I do.

Speaker 6 Hub Arkouche. He was.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was the guy from Pornhub Arkouche. Chicago.
Yeah, Chicago.

Speaker 6 The guy from Guess Who.

Speaker 1 He said, I won't.

Speaker 3 He is the guy from Chicago.

Speaker 4 He looks like Sam from Guess Who, yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I will not vote for a guy that doesn't have a vaccine. Bingo.
I believe as well as said, no.

Speaker 4 He said, quite frankly, this guy's an asshole, and I'm not voting for him.

Speaker 5 I think that is what he said verbatim.

Speaker 8 And in my voting, you could kill someone.

Speaker 1 If you're good.

Speaker 1 Is that right?

Speaker 1 If you're spitting on the football field, you're saying

Speaker 1 if the NFL is allowing you to be on a football field, bingo. You're just looking at strictly ball.
Boom. You're not worried about anything else.

Speaker 8 Tape and ball.

Speaker 1 Dude, I was watching tape on long stappers last week.

Speaker 3 No big deal.

Speaker 1 It was one of the most awesome things ever. What am I even supposed to be looking at? He's spitting his ass.

Speaker 1 He's got to give a first team.

Speaker 8 We're being honest, I reached out to some experts on that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, smart play. First team, second team, all-pro, long stapper.
It's like,

Speaker 1 I have no idea who that is. I think if you were to ask punters, kickers, and even long stappers in the league, they would have no idea who it is.

Speaker 1 Because who snapped Lace's best all season for field goal? Who snapped the punts? Who covered? Who blocked? That's a tough film to do. I appreciate the fact that you were diving into all of it.

Speaker 1 You are taking it very seriously.

Speaker 8 Thank you to NFL Pro, All-Pro, Premium Plus.

Speaker 1 So it's NFL

Speaker 1 Pro

Speaker 1 Premium.

Speaker 1 NFL Plus

Speaker 1 Premiums Pro,

Speaker 1 which is a must-have. We have it now at this point.
We don't even have to say it as much because we assume it's just in the football zeitgeist, as you would say.

Speaker 1 NFL Plus Premiums, NFL Pro has the ability to look at film at everything and also have stats on everything and a way to organize everything. That needs to be its own.

Speaker 1 That is a phenomenal tool for everybody.

Speaker 8 Like you can search, like if you are between two players, you can search, and it just brings up every play that that person is on the field, and you can filter by tackles, you know, pressures, pass coverage, snaps, stuff like that.

Speaker 8 So, it makes it very easy to watch films.

Speaker 1 Nine-year NFL vet, one of the smartest humans I've ever seen on a football field. Darius J.
Bothers, you're looking incredibly good at it.

Speaker 1 Peebotch, have you been helping him or arguing with him?

Speaker 2 We've been talking. We've been buttedheads on a couple things.
You know, we both have different opinions. Tone's been grinding the tape.
I'll just tell you what Dan told you. Just have conviction.

Speaker 2 When you pick your guys, have conviction.

Speaker 1 Yeah, stand by it. Stand by it.
Be right. Yeah.

Speaker 8 He's been a secondary consultant on, you know, a couple guys.

Speaker 1 Darius or Dano? Darius. Have you caught Dano at all? No.

Speaker 1 Are you guys allowed to mingle with your thoughts? These things like the gossip? I don't know.

Speaker 8 I feel like that shouldn't be a thing.

Speaker 8 You should make your own. Too much group think.

Speaker 1 Killer America. Boom.
Not just America.

Speaker 1 From what I'm learning. The point.
It is. It is in a lot of places.
Shout out to ESPN, bet. It exists.
Still bring it. Really? Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 Still bring it. Yeah,

Speaker 1 and you can bet on these awards, actually. And that is the reason why Tone can't give away any of his actual voting in who he's picking because you can bet on it still.

Speaker 1 But we will say, I don't even know if we know who Tony is picking. No.
Because of how many arguments there's been.

Speaker 1 I've tried to listen through right now through the wine when he's talking about who he's like, who is he putting over a little bit more than maybe somebody else.

Speaker 1 But then somebody I'd never heard of dropped into the conversation this morning.

Speaker 2 Who?

Speaker 1 Bruce tried to fight me this morning yeah yes he really did bruce is not happy he kept stomping around did the entire thing hair looks phenomenal

Speaker 1 bruce is 2025 great bucket guy we were not fighting you know i i just happened to to disagree a little bit that's not true he hates zach bond i don't hate zach bond

Speaker 12 loves zach but you might as well you might as well put the top five linebackers in the league on a wheel spin it and give it give them defense player of the year if you're giving it to zach bond what well said okay that's not the giant i told

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that was so Zach Bond, I didn't even know he was in the conversation.

Speaker 1 And if I'm Zach Bond, I'm pissed that nobody's been talking about me all year that I'm now in the defensive player of the year conversation.

Speaker 2 Media, it's the media.

Speaker 1 You're a part of it. You haven't said this guy's name one time.

Speaker 2 I've talked about Zach Bond, but you know what? We always talk about draft status, not right, like that shit follows you. It matters.

Speaker 2 If Zach Bond was a first-round pick, he would be a minus 900 right now to win the defensive player of the year.

Speaker 2 What he'd been able to do, rushing the passer, disrupting shit behind line of scrimmage in the pass. And he came into the league as a pass rusher, moved to off-ball.

Speaker 2 Howie Roseman, another unbelievable signing to get on that. Vic Fangio defense, but he's been a dog.
He, I think, has been the best defensive player in the league this year.

Speaker 1 So he said that over there, and then Bruce with his hair just popped up.

Speaker 1 What are we talking about? What are we even talking about? And then Tony was like, I was looking at the numbers, and then he starts making a kick.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I don't know how you make the right one. You're never going to get it right, but good luck out there.
Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Hawker, we are now in award season and AP voting season. And I want to let you know, it got a little contentious over here this morning.
I did not expect it.

Speaker 1 AJ, it got a bit contentious over here, pal.

Speaker 15 What, Bruce just doesn't

Speaker 15 value the off-ball linebacker, does he?

Speaker 1 That's what it sounds like. It's not just Bruce, brother.
It's not just like the defensive player of the year.

Speaker 1 It's if you give the MVP to Lamar or Josh, then you go down to offensive player of the year. So that means the other guy's sitting there.

Speaker 1 And then you got Saquon that had almost historic, definitely still broke a lot of records, but almost like anomaly season. It's like, so who,

Speaker 1 how do you, how do you, how do you?

Speaker 15 I like what D-Butt says. I think D-Butt's great.
Offensive Player of the Year should be a non-quarterback. That should be a non-quarterback award, I believe.

Speaker 15 You might as well, because we know MVP should and always probably will be a quarterback award. We know that.

Speaker 1 So we should just have the best quarterback award, and then we should have Offensive Player of the Year award, and then we should just move along as that is the rules.

Speaker 1 Because Lamar and Josh, one of them is going to win an MVP, one one of them is going to win nothing with these rules. Like they get nothing for the year that they've had.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But like Hall of Fame, if you think about it, it's like if you give Josh MVP and then Lamar gets like a first team all-pro, at the end of the career, it's like, well, Lamar had another first team all-pro.

Speaker 1 This is like in college, whenever one person wins the quarterback award,

Speaker 1 Davey O'Brien. And then one person wins the Heisman.
It's kind of like you kind of split those things.

Speaker 1 But in this particular case, there is a chance that Saquon Barkley walks out of the season with nothing. Okay.

Speaker 1 He'll be first-team all pro running back,

Speaker 1 which is obviously a big deal. Congratulations to him.
He has certainly earned that. But

Speaker 1 there is a world where no rushing title, no playoff wins, no nothing. Now, they're saying over there that you can't clear concussion protocol until practice.
I saw somebody say on the internet. Okay.

Speaker 2 News to me. Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 But if that's the case, hopefully Jalen's okay because that is a wild season. 16 days now.
He still has a bit.

Speaker 1 Now, they're saying it's not coming until tomorrow because that's when he first practiced. I hope that's the case.
But for Philadelphia, those fans, they've got to be in the middle of it right now.

Speaker 1 Just absolutely in the middle of it all, AJ.

Speaker 15 Well, I just, I guess I would definitely worry if I'd like to know which, and they don't have to tell us anything, what stage of the protocol is he in? We know there's different stages.

Speaker 15 Like, okay, he's allowed to get up and do a little workout in the weight room and see if he gets a headache. And then you move on from there and you continue to progress to on-the-field stuff.

Speaker 15 So that's, I just want to know where he's at in the protocol.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we hope he's okay. Obviously, with the year that they've been having, that would be a heartbreaker for, obviously, Jalen Hurts, but for everybody over there in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 And what an insane couple seasons, end of seasons for the Philadelphia Eagles last couple years as a very successful program.

Speaker 1 Joining us right now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's in multiple Hall of Fames for broadcasting. He is one of the loudest New York Jets fans.
Excited to get his take on everything.

Speaker 1 Haven't talked to him in a while. It's always great to see him.
Ladies and gentlemen, host of Get Up and hashtag Greene, Mike Greenberg.

Speaker 1 All right, Greene.

Speaker 11 Guys, well, I'm very busy preparing for my interview to be the general manager of the Jets. I can't tell you how much time and energy I'm putting into this.

Speaker 11 It's not something I have a great deal of experience with, but I'm very flattered to be given the opportunity. So I'm cramming like crazy.
Any advice you have will be very much welcome.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we all thought Mike Greenberg was the salary cap gymnast from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers getting the interview for the general manager job.

Speaker 1 Not Greene, but from what it sounds like, you are the guy. A lot of people have gone from TV right into either front office or head coaching.

Speaker 1 I think you'd be the right guy over there, Greene, because remember, Brick Johnson heard you say it. You would cut off your thong for this Jets team to be good.

Speaker 1 They need that type of passion in that building, Greeny. That's what they need.

Speaker 11 Let me give you an example of just how incredibly stupid people are. The number of people who believe this is me is overwhelming.

Speaker 11 I'm not just talking about random people responding to Shefty's tweet. I'm talking about friends of mine, people in my life sending me notes saying things like, is this real?

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 I don't even know how to respond to those people.

Speaker 11 What they're doing is they're demonstrating to me, they're letting their guard down. And I realize, oh, you're actually a complete idiot.
I don't have any.

Speaker 11 So I feel like I'm going to lose friends over this thing. Lest there be any confusion.

Speaker 11 I am not being considered for the general manager's job of the New York Jets.

Speaker 1 Polona, seek ticker. Polona See Geek Ticker.
That is breaking news. Greeny will not be the general manager of the Jets, although I assume a lot of Jets fans wish that was the case.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the Jets situation and then the current state of all these NFL positions before we look ahead to Super Wild Card weekend, which is going to be off. Awesome.

Speaker 1 You guys have general manager up and head coach up. And obviously the 33rd team, which you know very well because Tannenbaum, who founded it, is on your program on a very regular basis.

Speaker 1 They're consulting. It feels like they just put a list together of every human that's available to be the head coach.

Speaker 1 And now we're hearing Rex Ryan talk and Rex is like, hey, I'm the best guy for the job. How do you think it's going to pan out? What would you like to see?

Speaker 1 And do they get coach before GM or GM before coach? How do you think it kind of goes going forward?

Speaker 11 Okay, so let's start with Rex. So he is interviewing right now, or at least his interview was this morning.

Speaker 11 And I have no idea how it has gone and I will not ask him. You know, there's a line, as you know, you know, with friends.

Speaker 11 And, you know it's interesting to me i don't know how you do this because you have so many relationships with people that we cover and i have none i have made a point of trying to have none or next to none because it puts me in this impossible position rex and you know him pat from the years that you were with us on mondays love him for all of his bluster and all of his craziness He has the biggest heart of any human being you will ever meet.

Speaker 11 He's genuinely the nicest person in the world. So I am hopelessly biased in hoping that he gets this job because he wants it so badly.

Speaker 11 And when you care about someone as much as I care about that guy after all these years we've been working together, I want to see him get it because he wants it so badly.

Speaker 11 I also don't think it's insane. The reality of it is this.

Speaker 11 There are three things that will go down, that will decide how this goes. One is, are you a leader of men? Rex is definitely that.
Two, can you coach one side of the ball or the other?

Speaker 11 Rex definitely has that. He is, if not the greatest, then among the greatest defensive coaches in recent NFL memory.

Speaker 11 I think if he gets the right offensive coach in place, whoever then, I don't know who this person is, maybe you guys have a better idea than I do, but whoever the next Kevin O'Connell is, whoever the next Ben Johnson is, whoever that person waiting for that opportunity is, if Rex gets that guy, then I see no reason in the worldwide can't succeed.

Speaker 11 I can tell you, it would be very popular. I walk the streets of this city every single day, and I can't tell you how many people yell at me, Greene, is Rex going to get this job?

Speaker 11 We need to bring Rex back. Jet fans love him.
So I think he would walk in with a lot of goodwill for whatever that is worth. So that's the first answer to your question.

Speaker 11 I'm hopelessly biased. I would love to see Rex get it because he wants it so badly.
As far as the GM and coach thing,

Speaker 11 The Jets are one of the NFL teams, and they're not the only one, that do not tie them together, which is to say the coach answers directly to the owner and the general manager answers directly to the owner I don't like that I've never liked it I've never thought it was a good way to do business you guys might I think it's crop I think it's shite I think it's stupid they should be on the same page personally that's that's basically what you just said there yeah it makes sense that's what I think I think Those two people have to work like this.

Speaker 11 You have to have a general, otherwise what you wind up with is agendas. Okay.
And look, life is all agendas, right? Everyone has an agenda.

Speaker 11 Everyone wants success, and they want to receive the credit and the good things that come from the success.

Speaker 11 If the coach and the general manager are not aligned, if they are not in complete lockstep, then what you are doing is opening the door for each of them to have separate agendas.

Speaker 11 And the moment things start to go sideways, they're each going to point the finger at the other one. I think that you need the two of them to be completely joined at the hip.

Speaker 11 So the Jets have an opportunity to do that because both jobs are open at the same time. Frequently, they've not done that.
When they fired Mike Tannenbaum, they kept Rex.

Speaker 11 They hired John Izzik, then they fired Rex. He hired a different coach.
We've seen this cycle with NFL teams all the time, and it sucks. It almost never works.
So they have a great opportunity now.

Speaker 11 So I think you either choose the general manager that you believe in more than anyone else in the world and let that guy pick the coach.

Speaker 1 Or you hire the coach that you believe in more than anyone else in the world and you say to him, okay, who do you want to be your general manager who do you want to work with but i want those two people joined together yeah and there's been coaches that have more power than a gm the gm has been working for the coach and if you hired rex ryan i think that'd be a smart decision to be like hey rex who do you want to pseudo work for you here as a general manager on the back end handling the salary cap handling it all maybe it is mike greenberg because he's been able to do all of those things not not this mike greenberg but actually mike greenberg down there in Tampa Bay because he's been ahead of all of this shit that everybody else is doing.

Speaker 1 You get Rex Ryan, let him pick that. These are the type of guys I want.
This is who I want. This is how we want to do it.
You figure it out on the back end. That could be a match made in heaven.

Speaker 1 Who knows what Woody Johnson will do going forward? And what you just referenced there about hiring a coach and then firing a GM and then bringing a GM, firing coach.

Speaker 1 Tennessee Titans are kind of in the middle of that right now down the AFC South. Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Greeney, how do you feel about the AFC South? Pat just mentioned it. The Titans are looking for a GM.

Speaker 3 Jags are looking for a coach and possibly a GM pending if Shad Kahn gets word from the new head coach that Balky's an idiot and then he'll make a change is what he said.

Speaker 3 And then obviously the Colts kept both their guys, but what do you think about the entire division as a whole?

Speaker 3 And who do you think is kind of set up best for success between the Colts, Titans, and Jags, especially with the draft coming up for all three of those teams?

Speaker 11 Probably,

Speaker 11 look,

Speaker 11 the only way to answer that question is with another question. Have we decided Trevor Lawrence just isn't going to be the guy that we thought he was going to be?

Speaker 11 I'm old enough to remember when Trevor Lawrence was the best prospect to come out of college in generations.

Speaker 11 He would have been the first pick in three different drafts.

Speaker 11 So if he, and there's a question I've been trying to get to on GetUp each of the last two days, and we haven't gotten it in because all this stuff got hot, but we will get it in.

Speaker 11 If you were, and so maybe I can answer your question this way. Get it in.
If you were a coach.

Speaker 11 And you had the choice between coaching Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, and Drake May, all three of whom have openings, which one would you choose?

Speaker 11 If you're a coach, the quarterback is the most important. In this day and age, when guys get fired after two bad seasons, you've got to have a quarterback who's ready to go right now.

Speaker 11 Which guy would you choose? If the answer is not Trevor Lawrence, then the Jacksonville job is the worst of them because you're locked into paying him a trillion dollars.

Speaker 11 If he's not actually that good, that's not a great opportunity. I don't like where the Titans sit at all because I do the podcast with Mel and Field every week.

Speaker 11 And I think, I don't believe that either Shador Sanders or Cam Ward are a lock.

Speaker 11 Well, they might, either one of them might wind up being terrific, but I don't think if they were in any of the most recent drafts, they would not have been the first or second quarterback taken.

Speaker 11 So I don't think that's a slam dunk at the top of that draft. Interesting.
The Colts, I don't know. I keep reading on Twitter from some guy named McAfee that they're just a freaking mess.

Speaker 11 They seem to have everything in the world going wrong. So I'll say the Texans by default, but they've been a disappointment.
Like,

Speaker 11 I felt like they were ready, they were a very sexy pick to go to the Super Bowl. And now, all of a sudden, I got people, they're an underdog at home to the Chargers this weekend.

Speaker 11 So, I guess I would say the Texans, but it would be by default. That's the worst division in the sport.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Great fans.
Not all sports. Everybody needs relax.
I'm sure there's some stupid MLB division south side something.

Speaker 6 The NL Central.

Speaker 1 There it is. North Central.

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 1 shot it. It's not the Paul Schemes.

Speaker 1 The Red Hat.

Speaker 1 No, it is not Paul Schemes. It is not the worst division in all of sports.
It's not. There's some MLS crap that is somewhere.

Speaker 4 The Atlantic division in the MLS.

Speaker 1 No, it's just East and West, brothers. Well, the Atlanta United and the Portland Timbers are holding up both sides of that entire thing.
So somewhere over in England, which one is up the Clarence in?

Speaker 1 The championship. That's the worst one in all of sports.

Speaker 3 That's G-League, though. It doesn't count either.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 1 That was the worst division of all. Yeah, what's their divisions? Red Bull, Vercedes?

Speaker 2 No, F1.

Speaker 3 Fun versus Slow.

Speaker 2 It's the fucking top.

Speaker 1 Shite one.

Speaker 1 Shite two.

Speaker 1 Shite three.

Speaker 1 Okay, so anyways, AFC South might be the worst division in all of sports. And I want to let you know, I'm a believer in this Colts team for next year.
Sure.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're bringing all the same guys back. Crazy.

Speaker 7 Did they break you?

Speaker 1 Put it on the ticker. I believe it.
Wait till you see what.

Speaker 8 Everyone but Gus. He's the fall guy.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, Gus is up.

Speaker 1 I'm pumped to see what happens down there. But you talked about Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, or Drake May.

Speaker 1 And the reason why I was laughing while you're giving the answer is because I was being accosted by a New England Patriots fan over here saying, you better say Drake May right now.

Speaker 1 You better stop Greene right there. That is not a question.
Trevor Lawrence, very expensive. Caleb Williams, with everything going on in Chicago, is he going to be a guy? I think he is.

Speaker 1 But there's going to be a lot that's going to have to get sorted there. Drake May was able to do a lot with a very poor surrounding around him.

Speaker 1 And he's taller than Josh Allen, it looked like, in the photos. He's big, son of a big.
And everything without.

Speaker 11 injuries though and they got a huge salary cap they got a lot of cap uh uh space going into next year they have 130 million dollars in cap space they have a fourth pick in the draft and they have their quarterback of the future in place and i would agree the answer to the question is drake may i i still think under the right circumstances caleb williams i think in a vacuum

Speaker 11 Caleb Williams is more gifted than Drake May, but football isn't played in a vacuum.

Speaker 11 I was incredibly impressed with what I saw from May this year.

Speaker 11 I think if I were a coach and I could choose any situation that is currently available in the NFL right now, the one I would choose is New England.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think there's a lot of people assuming that, which is why everybody's dabbed over there. I mean, it's wonderful that you just did that.
Shout out to Sam Newton, by the way.

Speaker 1 I appreciate and respect. You said

Speaker 1 gifted. Drake May is this tall.

Speaker 1 Drake May is fast. He is, I mean, now Caleb obviously can move and his ability and his ability to make plays on the run and everything like that is certainly phenomenal.

Speaker 1 But Drake May led UNC in rushing and obviously passing. And he is 6'13.
He is so big. It is unbelievable.
So going forward, I can't wait to watch all of them.

Speaker 1 This rookie class, Bo, Jaden, Drake, you talk about Caleb, whether he's going to be able to go in. What is Pennix going to do down in Atlanta with another year?

Speaker 1 Because they're just getting rid of Kirk, it sounds like. And save them $10 million.
He's going to be back out there.

Speaker 1 I think Schefter said there's going to be seven quarterback needy teams this offseason coming up. You know, obviously you put those ones

Speaker 1 into the conversation there. Kirk's going to be available.
Sam Darnold's going to be available. Aaron Rodgers might be available.
What are your thoughts on all of that, Green?

Speaker 1 Are we going to see another class of quarterbacks hit their second wind with another team this upcoming offseason and season?

Speaker 11 Look, I think if there's something that we've learned, it is that giving giving up on a quarterback too soon is a big mistake. Look at Bryce Young.
Look at the finish that the Panthers had.

Speaker 11 The Panthers had a very good second half of the season.

Speaker 11 They had great losses to go along with some nice wins. And Bryce Young now looks like he's going to be the player they hoped he was going to be.
Look at Baker Mayfield. Look at Sam Darnold.

Speaker 11 It's all about the situations these guys wind up in. I'm fascinated by the Aaron thing.
And obviously, you guys know him way better than I do. I watched Enigma.
I assume you guys saw it.

Speaker 11 And look, he remains, without any close competition, the most interesting person in sports.

Speaker 11 I mean, that was the most fascinating, freaky, wild ride I've ever seen in a sports documentary in my entire life.

Speaker 11 Episode two was, it just, it blew my mind as one who had heard the word ayahuasca, but would have to admit, I really didn't know details of what it actually was.

Speaker 11 To see people doing it was quite the experience. But here's what I took away from Enigma more than anything.
This is not the way Aaron envisioned himself going out. No way in hell.

Speaker 11 That piece, that three-piece documentary was designed to be the coda to walking off like John Elway did. And he even mentions it in one of the episodes, Elway walking off with a championship.

Speaker 11 You guys know him a hundred times better than I do. So I guess I would put this in the form of a question, AJ, particularly you.

Speaker 11 I believe that once he's had two, three weeks, whatever it is, to do whatever he does to unwind and relax, I believe he's going to decide he wants to play again.

Speaker 11 I don't know that the Jets is the best situation for him, and I don't know that he's the best situation for them. That's a different question.
But I think Rodgers will play again.

Speaker 11 And I think when you talk about quarterback and ED teams, we were actually playing a game at dinner last night, which is the right spot for Rodgers to wind up.

Speaker 11 And the place that we came up with was San Francisco. I think San Francisco is a really interesting one.
It's where it all started for him. He knows the offense.

Speaker 11 They have to make a really interesting decision there. Are they going to pay Brock Purdy $50, $55 million a year going forward?

Speaker 11 That just feels like one of the options. But I personally will be shocked, and I don't know if you guys agree.
will be shocked if Rodgers doesn't decide he wants to play another year.

Speaker 1 We'll be talking to Aaron Rodgers tomorrow. He's currently en route to wherever he is, relaxing and spending the next couple weeks to clear.

Speaker 11 Is it Costa Rica by any chance?

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's Costa Rica or the jungle. And I don't think it's a darkness trade either.
He said he's done with that. That's right.
Feels like he is happy he never has to do that again.

Speaker 1 Every time he talks about it, it's like,

Speaker 1 we're okay not doing that one. What was that fun? Do you remember he won in? I mean, we were a part of that whole thing for four days.

Speaker 15 Can't even see the toilet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then he comes out, a lot of missed texts from who, the Packers, we're done.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. Then that starts the entire Jets situation, which had so much hope.
And you talk about him wanting to go out like Elway.

Speaker 1 It's like, I think everybody had dreams of what the Jets could be whenever Aaron goes over there, especially you watch them whenever they're playing good here, like this last weekend or maybe a couple weeks ago, whenever everything's kind of hitting.

Speaker 1 It's like, that's what we were all kind of hoping for and dreaming of. I agree with what your statement is that I don't think it's done for Aaron Rodgers.
We'll talk to him tomorrow.

Speaker 1 You said San Francisco. There's some Steelers fans that say that.
Then there's maybe the Brett Favre route. AJ has a question for you.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I mean, Aaron, who knows where Aaron's going to go?

Speaker 15 I am very curious as to what his decision may be. I have no idea either way.

Speaker 15 I haven't directly asked him, but Greene, when you kind of shook your head when Pat mentioned Sam Darnold going somewhere else.

Speaker 15 What do you think the Vikings are going to do, especially if, let's say, Sam takes him on a deep playoff run? They're going to try to franchise him. They're going to keep him.

Speaker 15 What happens with the Minnesota Vikings next year at the quarterback position?

Speaker 11 I think it's a very risky roll of the dice to let him get out of the building right now. They have the situation in their control.
You know, it's such a week-to-week league.

Speaker 11 A week ago, his teammates are carrying him on their shoulders and the entire world loves him. And a week later, he has a very bad night in the red zone against a Detroit defense

Speaker 11 in a wild environment. And suddenly people act like there were questions.
I liked the idea of trading J.J. McCarthy.
I think Darnold has proved that in this offense, he is more than good enough. J.J.

Speaker 11 McCarthy, if he were in this year's draft, would be the number one pick. So if you are a team that has a top 10 pick and needs a quarterback, why wouldn't you trade that to Minnesota?

Speaker 11 So Minnesota can keep Darnold. They can franchise him if they don't feel 100% certain about him forever.
Or they can try and make a deal with him.

Speaker 11 Maybe he takes a slightly team-friendly one because he recognizes that this has revitalized his entire career. And the Vikings can add a top 10 pick in the draft by trading McCarthy.

Speaker 11 I think that would make a lot of sense. Just look on this list of teams here that are going to need quarterbacks.

Speaker 11 There are only two that are going to be drafted in the first half of the first round, Shadur Sanders and Cam Ward. There are far more teams than that that are going to be looking for quarterbacks.

Speaker 11 So why wouldn't those teams give up one of those high picks for J.J. McCarthy, who, again, would be the highest rated quarterback if he were in this year's class?

Speaker 11 If I were in their shoes, barring something terrible happening in L.A. this Monday night, I think, AJ, that's the direction I'd be looking to go.

Speaker 1 Okay, so J.J. McCarthy traded out of Minnesota to another quarterback needy team.
Kirk Cousins is going to be on the market. Aaron Rodgers is going to be on the market.

Speaker 1 Cam Ward is going to be one of the guys that one of these teams is going to take. Shador Sanders is going to be one of the guys because there's still some spots open.

Speaker 1 There's going to be some massive deals coming quarterbacks this offseason. The ones that are going to blow our mind.

Speaker 1 And I don't want want to go back to Trevor Lawrence, but remember, they're paying what, 50 million a year. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 55 million a year. And obviously we see Sean Payton dance around the salary cap, dead hit, and everything like that with getting rid of Russell Wilson, but that's not easy everywhere.

Speaker 1 So whoever goes in there to Jacksonville is going to have to figure out with Trevor, but there's going to be teams that are going to open up a big vault.

Speaker 1 Like if Sam Darnold was to get out there, I mean, that.

Speaker 1 55 million is probably what a team would be willing to pay after what he has showcased.

Speaker 1 But will he do what you alluded to, which is understand that Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, Addison, TJ Hawkinson, Aaron Jones, his offensive line, the defense we have, even though B-Flow might be gone after the season with a head coaching job, it's like, that's a wagon over there in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 I don't like how the Vikings fans have just completely assumed they're dead now because they lose to the Lions.

Speaker 1 Last week, they were going for the number one seed in the NFC. They lose to the Lions in devastating fashion.
And the Vikings fans that I know are like,

Speaker 1 it's over. It's like,

Speaker 1 history. They've been snake bit a lot.
They know.

Speaker 1 Come on, you're in the dance. New year.
You're in the dance. The suckers.

Speaker 11 And they're a road favorite on Monday night. They're favored to win.

Speaker 11 I think that their draw is not that bad. I agree.
I like the Vikings in that game Monday night in LA. That'll be a Vikings home game

Speaker 11 as far as fans and

Speaker 11 everything outside of the actual location of the game.

Speaker 11 I like them to win that, and then we'll see what winds up happening. They may wind up right back in Detroit again,

Speaker 11 or crazy things could happen. This Jalen Hurts thing bears keeping a very close eye on.

Speaker 11 We are living in a world where it is not a certainty that Jalen Hurts is going to be able to play for the Eagles this weekend against Green Bay.

Speaker 11 And if he's not, then I don't know that they definitely win that game. So I think the NFC, look, the NFC, it's just the first time in a long, the AFC, I see three teams.

Speaker 11 I would bet you anything anyone wanted to bet, and I'm obviously not

Speaker 11 going out on a limb here that one of three teams will wind up in the Super Bowl from the AFC, Kansas City, Buffalo, or Baltimore. From the NFC, I really don't think you can say that.

Speaker 11 I wouldn't be stunned

Speaker 11 if practically any of them got there. I guess I would be surprised if Tampa got there.
Man, but I wouldn't be that shocked if any of the NFC teams wound up in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And everybody in Detroit is saying, are you fucking watching games?

Speaker 1 That's what everybody in Detroit would say?

Speaker 18 Yeah, Greene, on Sunday or Monday, Sunday night, sorry, the defense playing that well didn't change your mind at all about the Detroit Lions because we know the offense is going to score points.

Speaker 18 I think the defense looks so good. I think a lot of Lions fans are saying we can win the Super Bowl now, whereas a couple of weeks ago, we were not saying that.

Speaker 1 Hembo statue that I got.

Speaker 11 They would be my favorite. I mean,

Speaker 11 if you asked me to pick right now, I would pick Detroit. But if you told me Philadelphia was going to go in there and beat them in a tough game, I would believe it.

Speaker 11 If you told me Minnesota was going to go in there again and play much better and beat them, I would believe it. If you told me Green Bay wound up there again and beat them, I would believe it.

Speaker 11 If you told me the Rams were going to go in there with Stafford and find a way to win that game, I would believe it. Would I pick it? No.

Speaker 11 But I wouldn't be nearly as shocked, let's put it that way, as I would be if the Steelers went into Kansas City and beat them.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Hey, listen, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 1 The Detroit Lions are a wagon, though, and I think it's abnormal for a lot of people to understand that at this point. All of us are kind of in a whirlwind for what the Detroit Lions are.

Speaker 1 I think Anzalone coming back is a massive ordeal.

Speaker 1 It changed everything. And I got a hembo stat about Aaron Glenn.
He brought six plus people 16 times this past Sunday night. That's the most by any team all season.

Speaker 1 And it's like in the biggest game, Aaron Glenn emptied the clip. And I like that.
I like the mindset is. Let's go back over to the AFC side there.

Speaker 1 There's a couple quarterbacks that are obviously in massive conversation. Go ahead, Debuts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you talked about those top three teams, Green, obviously, with the Chiefs, the Bills, and the Ravens. Now, Patrick Mahomes, he is who he is, you know, seamen to the legacy.

Speaker 2 But Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, great seasons. Either one of them could be the MVP.

Speaker 2 Who has more pressure on him to win the Super Bowl this year going to the

Speaker 1 Danes?

Speaker 2 It's kind of like a get up question. Shout out to Get Up to Biggest December ever.

Speaker 1 I saw this week. Congratulations.

Speaker 11 So pressure comes in a lot of different forms.

Speaker 11 Patrick Mahomes could can do something that no one, even Tom Brady, ever did in the Super Bowl era.

Speaker 11 Bart Starr did it and some others did it in an era of football that we generally don't count anymore. Patrick Mahomes

Speaker 11 can win a three-peat and can probably begin the conversation immediately, February 10th. We can start having the conversation.
Is he the greatest quarterback of all time if he wins?

Speaker 11 That is a level of pressure. But there's no downside in him not winning it this year.
He's not going to win it every year of his career. Brady played 20-something years and won seven of them.

Speaker 11 So in that regard, I think there is less pressure on Mahomes than either of the other two.

Speaker 11 Lamar Jackson is missing one thing, and we all know what it is, from being placed into historical perspective.

Speaker 11 Lamar Jackson, with two MVPs at his age, with the numbers that he has put up, the winning percentage that he has, and the style that he has played it in, I think is a Super Bowl championship away from being in the conversations with the great quarterbacks of all time.

Speaker 11 Not at the top or even particularly near it yet, but he starts being placed in historical perspective. So that's an enormous level of pressure.
If he doesn't, then the

Speaker 11 narrative that he can't win the big one will continue. It stayed with Peyton Manning until he finally won the big one.
And I think it stays with Lamar.

Speaker 11 I actually brought that up to Jeff Saturday on Get Up this morning because I think there are real similarities there.

Speaker 11 Manning was so dominant in regular seasons and then wasn't able to win playoff games.

Speaker 11 Iris at the game that they lost to the Jets 41 to nothing in the playoffs that Manning had never gotten out of the first round.

Speaker 11 And I was hosting a show then, Mike and Mike, in which the topic was Peyton Manning can't win the big one. That's where Lamar is until he wins the big one.
That's going to be the conversation.

Speaker 11 Josh Allen, I think because he has accomplished a little less in the regular season than Lamar, you would place him a half a step below that.

Speaker 11 But he also is playing to be recognized at the very top of all of this. So I guess if you made me pick one, I would say the one under the most pressure is Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 11 But in their own ways, I think all three of them have an enormous amount at stake, in particular Mahomes, who I think has the most to gain.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's certainly pressure as an NFL quarterback, but whenever you're talking about historic perspective, it takes it to another level. All eyes will be on that.
Do you have an AP vote?

Speaker 11 I don't. I don't have a vote for anything.
I actually still vote in the NBA. They gave me a a vote when I was hosting the NBA show,

Speaker 11 and so I continue to vote in the NBA. I do not have any votes.

Speaker 11 I believe Alan is going to win. I assume you're going to ask me who I think is going to win MVP.
I think Alan is going to win in large part because it's a narrative award.

Speaker 11 It just feels like it's his turn. I was covering the NBA.
Michael Jordan should have won the NVP. See, MVP is a flawed way.
to judge a player's greatness

Speaker 11 when you look back on it because look how many look how many mvps lebron james has look how many mvps michael jordan has you tell me how many times they were actually the best player in the league are you kidding so this thing is a narrative it sort of becomes someone's turn i feel like it's allen's turn because this was a year buffalo is supposed to dip and they haven't because he's been so ridiculously good for so long and hasn't won it because lamar won it just a year ago even though lamar's numbers everything about his performance has been better than it was a year ago i think it's allen's turn and thus i think he will win it.

Speaker 11 And that, I think, is one of the flaws with the MVP award.

Speaker 11 In all sports, there's a lot of narrative attached to it, which is fine, but it means that when we look back on a player's career, counting up their MVPs is not a great way to judge how great they were.

Speaker 1 Well, that's legitimately how it is judged, though.

Speaker 1 Whenever people start talking Hall of Fames, and I don't know the NBA as well as I know the NFL, but as soon as they start putting resumes up for guys that are finalists for the Hall of Fame, it's like, here's how many MVPs, here's how many defense player of the years, how many championships.

Speaker 1 I think those obviously matter a lot more, but the MVPs are held in the same regard almost as championships. And what did Acho tell us to remember whenever we're talking about this entire thing?

Speaker 3 Was it be consistent?

Speaker 1 No, he was saying we're having two different conversations. People are having two different conversations.
It's valuable or it's best. It's not the same thing.

Speaker 1 Make sure everybody's having the same discussion.

Speaker 4 I think somewhere in there, he also said, just be consistent.

Speaker 1 All right, we're in the facility now, obviously. Shout out Greene, for joining us.

Speaker 1 Let's go to a man who does have an AP vote and is never going to get it right and is a part of the problem, if you will. Go ahead, Terry.

Speaker 8 100% true. But Greene, watching Get Up This Morning, what a wonderful program you guys have and learned about this video from Get Up This Morning.

Speaker 8 It was Jerry Jones talking about Mike McCarthy and his contract and interviewing. I'll just, you know what, I'll let Jerry talk because, you know, we can't talk for Jerry.

Speaker 1 Jerry, it's real reality where Mike is back with a different offensive player.

Speaker 19 Well, anything, anything is possible. And

Speaker 19 because of

Speaker 1 contract status, the guy behind him.

Speaker 19 You know, most of the fans that I have,

Speaker 19 most of the fans want everybody to be on the incentive plan.

Speaker 19 Everybody wants it to be on the incentive plan.

Speaker 19 And so the more you can have the incentive plan,

Speaker 19 to me, the better you've got the way sports

Speaker 19 is aligned with sports and

Speaker 19 goal of

Speaker 19 having accomplishment, and you align that with the financial end of it.

Speaker 19 For instance, I might say, look,

Speaker 19 I'm going to pay you this much,

Speaker 19 but then I'll pay you not any more, and I know you want twice that.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 19 But if you get to the playoffs or you win a Super Bowl, I'll give you five times that.

Speaker 1 Oh, you play 75%.

Speaker 15 They're wrapping their arms around it from behind it.

Speaker 19 Exactly, and then you've got a decision.

Speaker 20 You've got a decision.

Speaker 1 For sure. I'm a Kleenex.
I'm going to know that if he's not allowed to talk to you and take anyone for a while,

Speaker 19 say, go talk.

Speaker 1 You talk Mike McCarthy here and go talk. I really would.

Speaker 19 Go talk.

Speaker 1 So it sounds like you need to. I just let Zeke do that.
Gotcha. Just sign the chargers.

Speaker 19 I don't want anybody here. That's not healthy to have somebody around that wants to be someplace else.
Really, it's not.

Speaker 19 And there's too many ways for everybody to go to be around where you don't want to be.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 8 So, Greedy.

Speaker 8 So when Jerry's saying, you you know, it's not good to have guys around who want to, does he know that Mike, he hasn't given Mike McCarthy an extension or a contract and he does have to give him permission to go talk?

Speaker 8 Or is he just going to hold him in limbo forever?

Speaker 11 Look,

Speaker 11 it's so hard to have this conversation because I don't want things to sound disrespectful. I think all of us know less about football for having listened to those stories about attractions.

Speaker 11 There's literally nothing that he just said that made any sense at all. There are so many things the fans would like, but it's just not the way the sport has ever been.
Yes, there are incentives.

Speaker 11 And oh, by the way, the Cowboys actually just made sure that their backup quarterback, Cooper Rush,

Speaker 1 250, I did not know that. They told me that

Speaker 1 everybody's coming.

Speaker 11 $250,000 incentive.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 11 none of the things he just said, and again, I hate this to sound as disrespectful as it it does. Literally, none of it made sense.
Okay, there's not one thing he just said that made sense.

Speaker 11 So it's very hard to react to any part of it. Here's what I will say.

Speaker 11 If you want to suggest that what he's doing has, that there's a plan involved in what he's doing,

Speaker 11 then the way it would make sense, and I don't think that this is what's actually happening, but here's how it would make sense is if you're trying to have your cake and eat it too, which is to say you have someone in mind that you want to see if you can get them.

Speaker 11 And if you can't get them, you want to bring Mike McCarthy back. And

Speaker 11 you can't

Speaker 11 bring back McCarthy until you, you don't want to bring back, officially bring Mike McCarthy until you find that out. So let him go.

Speaker 11 Count on the fact that if he goes and interviews in Chicago or New Orleans or whatever it is, that if you tell him you want him back, that he will come back, that he'll want to stay where he's been and he won't want to leave the Dallas Cowboys because of all of the things that come with being the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 11 And so if there's someone in mind, and I don't know who that would be, but that could be anyone from Ben Johnson to Deion Sanders to once upon a time, I thought it would have been Bill Belichick, but that obviously ship has sailed, or whoever it might be, Steve Sarkeesian, anyone who it is, you have it in your mind.

Speaker 11 If I could get that guy,

Speaker 11 I will hire him and let... and not bring back McCarthy.
That's the way this would make sense. Now, the timing of it probably has no chance of working.

Speaker 11 And again, I'm probably giving them much, much, much too much credit for having an actual plan when there's been no evidence at any point in the last year that they've had one.

Speaker 11 But that would be the only way in the world that this, the way they're handling this would make sense to me.

Speaker 1 And I think I read a quote, and once again, it's on the internet, so who knows if it's real. Somebody asked Jerry if he's ever going to go hands off and pass the team on.

Speaker 1 And he said, I didn't buy the Cowboys as an investment. I bought it as something to do.
Like, this is my job for the rest of my life. Like, he's going to to be in there until the wheels fall off.

Speaker 1 And people are wondering if that has happened, you know, especially with how the team has gone.

Speaker 1 And big Mike McCarthy in this coaching cycle could be a hot commodity because he's a culture builder, right, AJ?

Speaker 1 I never played for him, but he is a guy that I think we're spinning back into, hey, we need somebody that's able to get toughness in here, get everybody rolling in the right direction.

Speaker 1 You played for him, won a championship with him. He referenced that championship in a press conference not too long ago.
He would be a good guy in this particular market, don't you think, Age?

Speaker 15 Yeah, I think he is absolute hot commodity, especially like you said, how I feel like the league is kind of, I don't know, in flux to where we're looking at these guys that are culture builders.

Speaker 15 They are like, hey, this guy's the boss. He knows how to set things and get us in the right place, moving in the right direction.
So I think Big Micah looks good. He's also an offensive guy.

Speaker 15 He was a great play caller for a long time, has been. He could call the plays.
He could bring somebody else in. But Greeney, that made me think about that Dallas Cowboys job.

Speaker 15 If they move on from Mike McCarthy, Some of these guys we hear are going to have many options, different head coaching positions available to them.

Speaker 15 Is the Dallas cowboys job is that as a coveted job as it was before especially if you know jerry jones is going to be over your shoulder no matter what no matter what's happening like like that guy with that phone

Speaker 1 pretty much yeah like that guy with that phone and how and if you could clear up you're a journalist you know this better than me is jerry jones doing post pressers from like 1980s when did they do the everybody's microphone just shoved in mouth in around shoulder but i'll let you finish i apologize well because he doesn't

Speaker 11 he does because the owner doesn't have a press conference after every game. There isn't a podium set up for him.

Speaker 11 He just walks down there and stands outside the locker room, and everyone comes in in what they call a scrum. That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 11 So it's the most disorganized, ridiculous-looking thing in the world.

Speaker 11 The answer to your question, AJ, is in a vacuum, that's a terrible job. If you took the star, off the helmets, it would be a bad job.
It's not a great roster.

Speaker 11 It figures to probably get a little worse before it gets better.

Speaker 11 They're paying a quarterback all the money in the world, who I think is very good, but there are like five guys in the whole league who I think are genuinely worth what they're paying Dak Prescott, and he isn't one of them.

Speaker 11 If you could give me Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or Mahomes or Lamar and maybe one or two other guys that are just on a whole other level.

Speaker 11 So I don't think that's a good, I don't think that's a good situation for winning as far as the roster immediately. And the whole, the jerry of it all, I think, would be a detriment.

Speaker 11 Almost anyone would look at that as a downside, not an upside. However,

Speaker 11 there's just something to be said for the Dallas Cowboys. They're so glamorous.
They get so much attention. Look how famous you become just being a part of that.
Now, you know, McCarthy. I don't.

Speaker 11 He may not give a damn about that stuff, but some people will.

Speaker 11 And so I don't think Jerry would have a hard time getting himself a coach of some repute. Now, if you're Ben Johnson and you're choosing a spot, if you're, you know,

Speaker 11 insert whoever else it is you want,

Speaker 11 would that be your first choice? I'd be surprised if it was.

Speaker 1 I heard you say Prime. Obviously, his connection with Jerry Jones is one that we would monitor.
You said Sark as well. I didn't know Sark was getting NFL looks.

Speaker 11 So if you, on Sunday NFL countdown,

Speaker 11 Adam Schefter ran through, and so this stuff kind of got buried. Adam Schefter ran through a whole list.
You guys could dig up the tape of it.

Speaker 11 I wish I could remember what time it was. It was in the second hour of the show.

Speaker 11 So he ran through the whole list of these are the coaches that we're keeping an eye on today. I think this one's in.
I think this one's out. I think this one's in.
I think this one's out.

Speaker 1 And that got all of the attention. Leaning out, leaning in, leaning out.
Exactly.

Speaker 11 That whole shtick. And parenthetically, so far, he's been right about every single one of them.
He told me Dayball was coming back. He told me Steichen was coming back.

Speaker 11 He's been right about everything that he said said that day,

Speaker 11 as an aside. He then said two other things that got very little attention because everyone was keeping an eye on Dayball and Steichen and all of these other coaches.

Speaker 11 He said, teams are going to call the Steelers to see if they would be willing to entertain the possibility of trading Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 11 And he said, expect Steve Sarkeesian to be a person whose name you hear at some point in NFL coaching conversations.

Speaker 11 Now, we didn't bring that part of the soundbite back because it was literally, he said it in like four seconds. He didn't expand on it and we moved on to other things.

Speaker 11 But he threw that name out there. Now,

Speaker 11 if you're Steve Sarkeesian, are you trying to parlay more money? Whatever the case is, I don't know. This is not my area of expertise.

Speaker 11 But that name came up from Adam Schefter, who, in my opinion, is the most credible person in the entire industry when it comes to collecting NFL news.

Speaker 11 So he wouldn't say it on the air if there if there wasn't something to it. So

Speaker 11 I think it is a conversation that is being had somewhere. I don't know by who.

Speaker 1 I like the way Sark communicates. Every time he comes on game day, he's awesome.
It feels like his team's obviously loaded with talent. They're in the semifinals.

Speaker 1 They've had a couple losses, but they've been able to bounce back. His offenses have been awesome to watch.
Pro-style offenses got people ready in there. That'd be intriguing.

Speaker 1 You know, so you got Prime out of Colorado, you got Sark out of Texas potentially going to wasn't Lincoln Riley's name there for a little bit being tossed. The Cowboys, yeah, the Cowboys last year.

Speaker 7 The USC kind of ruined the USC happening.

Speaker 1 Speaking of USC,

Speaker 1 Heisman winner up there, Caleb Williams, who's without a head coach. Ty has a last question for you.
We appreciate all your time today, Greene.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Greeny, always a pleasure.

Speaker 4 The Bears actually reached out and won an interview with McCarthy with your Chicago ties.

Speaker 4 We heard that their kind of hiring committee or search committee is like 30 people people or something like that to decide their next head coach.

Speaker 4 What do you ultimately think the Bears are going to do? And is there any way that they get this right?

Speaker 21 No.

Speaker 11 I mean,

Speaker 11 history suggests it's very unlikely.

Speaker 11 And I haven't heard any of these yet, but right before I came on with you guys, I got an email from the GetUp staff that apparently all of the decision-making people in Chicago talked today, which means George McCaskey, who was the owner, Kevin Warren, who was the team president, and Ryan Poles, who was the general manager.

Speaker 11 And from what I can glean, all three of them had different versions of how this decision is going to get made, which would be a perfect microcosm of what is wrong with that franchise and has been forever.

Speaker 11 Look,

Speaker 11 here's the reality. It's a pretty good team.
They have a lot of good players. I think Caleb Williams is stunningly gifted.

Speaker 11 I think he has, under the right circumstances, he could be an unbelievably good player. They just need to get this right.
And that person, again, it doesn't have to be an offensive guy.

Speaker 11 Everyone in Chicago wants them to hire Ben Johnson.

Speaker 11 Just because Ben Johnson is a brilliant offensive coordinator, which he obviously is, maybe the best we've seen come along in the league in a while, it doesn't mean he'd be a great head coach.

Speaker 11 It doesn't mean you have to get him as your head coach. You can, as I said about the Jets, hire a great leader.
If that's Mike McCarthy, I'm all in.

Speaker 11 Hire a great leader and then bring in someone who runs an offense that is perfectly suited to the talents.

Speaker 11 Don't try and jam a round square, whatever the hell it is.

Speaker 1 Square peg round whole thing. I always get that wrong.
Yeah, Jack.

Speaker 11 I never get that thing right. Jack, correct.
Look at the skill set. Look at this is something I can't do.
You guys would have a much better chance of doing it than I would.

Speaker 11 And the people running the Bears have to be the ones who do this.

Speaker 11 Look at exactly what Caleb Williams does well.

Speaker 11 And then bring in someone who's going to run the offense that is going to take advantage of those things. Build an offense around what he does.

Speaker 11 Don't bring in Shane Waldron, who is going to bring his own offense in and try and teach it to Caleb Williams. And that was obviously a square peg and a round hole and whatever it was.

Speaker 11 And it was a freaking disaster. Bring in someone who was going to run.
I would be taking, I would have it in an interview. I would say, show me your plan for Caleb Williams.

Speaker 11 Tell me why this is going to work. And then I would hire the person who gives me the best answer to that.

Speaker 1 Okay. And they need to run the rock.
They need who's going to get in there and build up the offensive line, the trenches, because they're in Chicago, as Bill Belichick pointed out.

Speaker 1 And who's going to be able to run the ROC? We appreciate you so much for your time, brother. Legitimately.

Speaker 11 Guys, happy new year. It's been too long since we've said a chance to say hello, but I hope we'll do it again soon.
The playoffs should be great.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. And Connor has been...

Speaker 1 wondering this entire program.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Greene, look, you're much smarter than me, and I'm very dumb, but what's this in a vacuum shit? D-Bud kind of put together a good diagram.

Speaker 3 Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 I don't understand.

Speaker 11 do you seriously want me to explain this to you or that's all of us please please i don't think i fully understand you're getting sucked up so as you're getting sucked up it's all kind of uh it's all there's no there's no sucking involved in this there's no sucking involved in this analogy so what it means is that if if if uh yeah if if you just take kayla williams and Drake May,

Speaker 11 if we use them as the example, I think that's where this first came up. Yeah, it was the first time.

Speaker 11 Absent any other circumstance.

Speaker 1 Oh, vacuum sealed.

Speaker 11 Right. Absent the coaching, absent the talent around him, absent the weather, absent all the

Speaker 1 black hole.

Speaker 11 In a black hole, which is which is also another word for that is a vacuum.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 11 A vacuum is not only the thing that you use to clean up the carpet, it is also that. It is also something that has no

Speaker 11 atmosphere in it. So

Speaker 11 if you remove all of the other elements and you said I could have either Caleb Williams or Drake May, I would take Caleb Williams.

Speaker 11 But when you insert the elements, I think Drake May looks already like he has advanced beyond Caleb Williams.

Speaker 11 And I fear the nonsense that went on in Chicago this year will actually set Caleb Williams back.

Speaker 1 We'll be back tomorrow here on ESPN. We continue on the internet.
Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. Okay, great exit out of you there.
We're still live. YouTube,

Speaker 1 hell yeah,

Speaker 1 YouTube, ESPN Plus, and TikTok Live, which I think is going to

Speaker 1 survive. Let's get back to your...
Yeah, hell yeah. A lot of that around here.

Speaker 11 My phone is doing that.

Speaker 11 My phone is, I just gave you a thumbs up, and my phone is thumbs up.

Speaker 11 I'm not doing that. I'm not doing anything.
That thumbs up.

Speaker 1 I think if you do fake fireworks with your fingers, fireworks will pop up too. You want to try it?

Speaker 1 So I've seen it like this. Fireworks.

Speaker 1 It's your thumbs like this.

Speaker 11 Is that what fireworks look like? How does one do fireworks?

Speaker 1 If you do a sprinkler, too. I think if you do a sprinkler, it starts raining on that thing.

Speaker 1 You want to give that a guy?

Speaker 11 You just want me to do stupid-looking dances. I understand what's going on now.

Speaker 1 I did. I did.
That was on me.

Speaker 1 When you talk about a vacuum and you talk about a

Speaker 1 white hole, black hole. White hole, black hole, I don't know.
Black hole. Or white hole.
White hole, white hole, whatever. White hole.

Speaker 1 Yeah, listen, we all know. Whatever one.
Yeah, whatever one.

Speaker 1 I don't want to label anything. So in a vacuum, that is how that, you're talking about whenever it's vacuum sealed, it's isolated.
Then whenever you add other things, you're talking about that vacuum.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because that vacuum, a lot of shit, a lot of shit, and adversity in there. You know, there's a lot of adversity in there.
That is a great job.

Speaker 1 It's plugged in.

Speaker 8 The other time he used it was with the Cowboys, like when he was saying, if you just look at the roster in a vacuum, you take away the star, you take away America's team.

Speaker 3 You were giving an answer

Speaker 1 when you said, and everything else about it. Everything else about it.
Gonna be on primetime every single week, regardless. You got players that do stuff.
I mean, all that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 The second time you said in a vacuum, I watched this guy's head explode right over here.

Speaker 1 And he didn't listen to a word you said going forward. And as you were on the full screen, we're all looking at him like, what are you talking about? He's like, in a vacuum.
I don't.

Speaker 1 And then this drawing came. I'm happy you cleared it up for us because we were all very, very much wondering.
And you said repute, I believe, as well. That's a good word.
That's a good word.

Speaker 1 Repute is a good word. What does that mean?

Speaker 11 Meaning

Speaker 11 of some repute, like meaning of like a,

Speaker 11 it is short for reputation, like someone who is reputed to be good. His reputation is good.

Speaker 11 He's supposed to be good. Repute is a form of the word reputation, or maybe reputation is a form of the word repute.
It is the way you are judged, the way people view you.

Speaker 1 So you are held in high reputation.

Speaker 11 You are reputed to be a genius, like a crazy genius. Wow.

Speaker 11 You are, and

Speaker 11 I wanted to say this to you. I should have sent you a note to say this to you.

Speaker 11 But I paid you the highest compliment that I've paid anyone in a very long time.

Speaker 11 When someone someone said, someone sent the, I saw the ratings for College Game Day were the highest they had ever been. And I said, I can tell you exactly why that is.

Speaker 11 That is because Pat McAfee understood the assignment.

Speaker 11 Like that show, which has been one of the most important things we do. Look, I've been in ESPN 28 years.
I'm going to die. When I die someday, the four letters ESPN are going to be next to my name.

Speaker 11 It matters to me.

Speaker 11 All this stuff matters to me. And College Game Day has been among, I mean, on the short list of the most important and best things that ESPN has ever done.

Speaker 11 And the jolt that you gave it this year, like the shot in the arm, this whole kicking field goals thing and just your general craziness is exactly what the show needed. It was like a renaissance.

Speaker 11 It was like a rebirth.

Speaker 11 And which is not to say it wasn't great already, but something can be great and be made greater. And

Speaker 11 so I meant to send you a note because I was having that conversation with someone when I was on vacation and I forgot to do it. So what the hell? I'll just say it here.

Speaker 1 Oh, thank you. Thank you, Arthur.

Speaker 11 It was an incredible testament to what you, and I think Sabin too. I think Saban also brings,

Speaker 11 there's just a,

Speaker 11 he brings an element that literally no one else could. Like there is a credibility.
And the way you guys have loosened him up and made him as accessible as he's ever going to be.

Speaker 11 Like he's only ever going to be so so accessible, but you've made him as accessible a human being as I think he's capable of being.

Speaker 11 And so the show has just been, it's been like a, it's been a delight to watch. It has been a delight to see what that's done.
And it's great for us. And anything that's great for us makes me happy.

Speaker 1 Man, that's very kind of you to say. Obviously, we don't get a lot of compliments from people at ESPN.
So coming from one of the most important people in the history of sports media, I thank you.

Speaker 1 And it means a lot when you say that. But the second name that you brought up there, Sabin, has has been so awesome.
Because obviously, Des has been doing this 20 years. I love Des.

Speaker 1 I absolutely love Desmond Howard. Reese Davis is like the consummate professional.
So smooth. He knows everything about everything.

Speaker 1 And then Kirk down there, 28 years, I think he's been on College Game Day. So it's like he is baby.
Coach Corso, obviously still doing

Speaker 1 the headgear and everything like that is a big deal. But what coach, absolutely.
But Coach Sabin coming on there has been so much fun. Like he has,

Speaker 1 because he says something, it's hard just like to dispute it. You know, it's hard to be like, okay, the greatest of all time just said that on this particular take.

Speaker 1 So I enjoy like having fun and bantering with him. And also, I think this year, getting a chance to go to dinners with him on Friday night, I think he appreciates that,

Speaker 1 you know, I like to remind him of who the fuck he is too. Like, I like to tell him, you know, like, hey, you're Nick Saban in here because he wants to get better.

Speaker 1 He's a guy that like, we're talking film study on himself. We're talking film study on TV.
We're talking about taking notes. We're talking watching teams.
We're talking about wanting to get better.

Speaker 1 Like, that's who he is. I think he's always talked about it to his players.
And now he's trying to practice what he preached. Like, hey, you got to buy in.
You got to learn. You got to commit.

Speaker 1 You got to focus. And that's like how he is wired.
Him and Miss Terry, I think they can completely transform their lives for him to become a person. You talk about understanding the assignment.

Speaker 1 And it's just been an absolute honor to ride alongside of Nick Sabin this year. And he's been so good on TV.

Speaker 11 He's been, he's going to win more awards on TV somehow than he did in college ball it's been a blast i've been i've been lucky to be up there and i've been enjoying it that field goal kicking contest you know it was expensive this year it was it was expensive it was worth every penny i mean it it's it's so much fun it's the first thing everyone mentions on saturday did you see the kid did he make it did he miss it all that kind of stuff just a great it's just a great idea look that everything is everything has been great and i will confess that while you were talking there i was distracted for a moment because on your crawl it actually said, and the fact that this actually needs to be said aloud is so ridiculous.

Speaker 11 Woody Johnson says his 17-year-old son has no official role in the organization.

Speaker 11 The fact that the owner of an NFL team actually has to come out and say that is so hilarious. It would be like that, that literally is like a skit.

Speaker 11 Like, I don't know if The Onion still exists, but did the satirical newspaper, The Onion, is that still a thing?

Speaker 1 That's what that athletic article read like.

Speaker 1 It did. Yeah, it absolutely did.

Speaker 2 That's why people probably think that is really Greenie interviewing the B2GM.

Speaker 1 Also, yeah, we put that on the ticker, too. It's not actually you.
I mean, the Jets are perfect. The Jets are in a good spot.
This is where you need to be.

Speaker 1 Remember, the sun is brightest after the darkest dawn. You guys have had a lot, a lot of dark dawns.
And I can't wait to see the sunrise for you, for the Jets.

Speaker 1 And we appreciate the hell out of you, Greeny.

Speaker 11 All right, guys. Good to see you.
Happy New Year. I'll see you soon.

Speaker 1 Hey, how is Hanukkah? We let the

Speaker 1 menorah here in town. Do we do eight crazy nights? Do we give a bunch of gifts? You and Stacey, how do we handle it?

Speaker 11 You're welcome to.

Speaker 11 We don't.

Speaker 11 I'm not a religious person, so we don't do that.

Speaker 11 That's never been my thing, but

Speaker 11 I enjoyed the Hanukkah song by Alex Handler very much.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 11 no, we don't do that. We don't have a menorah or that.
We don't have a Christmas tree either, but we do sort of celebrate. I consider the holidays.

Speaker 1 Do something, Greene.

Speaker 1 What a new fucking tree on the Lord Chris. You got to do something, Greeny.

Speaker 11 He was on with you guys. I'm a big fan of that Nate Bargatzi.

Speaker 11 And he's very funny. I went to see him.
I went to see him at Radio City. I had never heard of him before, and friends of mine got tickets and said, this guy's really funny.

Speaker 11 And so Stace and I just went. And that was the famous night.
You guys can settle an argument for me.

Speaker 11 Stace got mad at me because she said I was laughing too loudly and i said you can't laugh too loudly at a comedy show like i think the comedian that's the whole idea here is that he wants you to laugh loudly i don't think he's sitting there thinking boy i wish that guy would not laugh so much but anyway hold on a big hold on hold on hold on yeah did bargettzi acknowledge the obnoxiously loud laugh and did stace no that you no no no i wasn't it's radio city music hall is a big place if you've ever been there it holds like 3 000 people, and we were not that close to the stage.

Speaker 11 So he probably didn't even hear me.

Speaker 11 But he was suggesting that I was ruining it for the people around us.

Speaker 1 You're laughing at a comedian, you're ruining it. No, if you speak at a comedian, you're ruining it for everybody else, which we have experienced here in Indianapolis a few different times.

Speaker 1 Did you see your friend, Nate Bargetti, on Netflix, his new special? I don't know if that was the same show he did.

Speaker 11 No, Nate Bargetti. So he did a thing on, was it on Netflix or on CBS? We did like a Christmas special.

Speaker 11 No, so where not he played joseph the angel and and it was very funny and that that was how this all tied into what i was how i was answering your question that he was making a joke about how so many things about the holiday season really have nothing to do with religion and that's sort of how i approach them like i enjoy the holiday spirit i enjoy the family time i enjoy the exchanging of gifts and all that sort of stuff and it it doesn't have it doesn't necessarily have a religious connotation for me so you're giving an amen you know, in the middle of that entire thing as Nate speaking about it.

Speaker 1 The your friend Nate Bargettzi stand-up special on Netflix right now?

Speaker 11 Oh, oh, oh, that's his stand-up.

Speaker 11 He's so good. I think the guy is fantastic.
I am a huge fan.

Speaker 1 A lot of amen. Whenever he, I mean, it is.

Speaker 11 Oh, I also loved, by the way, I let now we're just talking. Are we still on or are we just talking? We're on the internet.

Speaker 1 We're on the internet. We're on the internet.
Okay.

Speaker 11 I loved Chalamet on there with you. And that was a great.

Speaker 11 So my son, as you may or may not know, is an aspiring actor he's a senior in college and he wants to be an actor and shalomy is his idol like he just thinks he loves that guy and so we were all excited at my house to see shalomy on with you and i will admit i went in with low expectations me as well um

Speaker 1 and he i thought he was terrific and i thought you were terrific with him thank you that's very kind of you i had very low expectations because i didn't know how he tied into the sec championship i'm like uh it's a big deal down here we're gonna have and then as I learned, like the two days before game day, he is a huge college ball, huge college football fan.

Speaker 1 Also knows college game day very well. And then whenever I was like, would he want to be a part of the kick? They were like, Timmy would love to be a part of the kick or whatever.

Speaker 1 So he was game for everything. And his notes that he had and both and what he prepared for, he was amazing.
Like, I was, I wanted to, I watched the movie because of it.

Speaker 1 I don't think I would have watched the movie, but I was like so impressed by him, the human, and the way he handled everybody because there's a lot of people there that are huge fans of his.

Speaker 1 Obviously, your son is a huge fan, but there's a lot of ladies, you know, young ladies that are massive fans of Timothy.

Speaker 1 The way he was just like so cool and the way he operated was, I'm like, this is a dude. This is a guy.
Legend. And he was.

Speaker 1 You're right. He was fantastic.
He was awesome. And he held that chair for me.
And I'm very thankful.

Speaker 3 That Bob Dylan movie was so good.

Speaker 1 You're a Bob Dylan guy, though, right? Yes.

Speaker 3 But also him himself, like, was incredible as Bob Dylan.

Speaker 1 I feel like he's going to be good at everything. Yeah, I feel like that's going to be, I think that's he's one of the next guys.
Oh, based on Al-Ghaib.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was knighted by a little beat-of-bass guy. I don't know if you guys know that.
I heard that.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, he's all right.

Speaker 11 I have to give up this room. So I'm actually at my at my club that I go to after work, and I told them I needed the room for like 10 minutes, and there are people standing outside the door for

Speaker 1 you. All right, well, good luck out there.
Please tell them we'd like to become members someday, Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Greenberg.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I told him 10, 20 minutes. That was an hour and 10 minutes.
What kind of club is that? That's probably so nice.

Speaker 5 You know what type of club that is.

Speaker 15 Like a non-it's obviously not a golf club.

Speaker 3 If he's in the city. He's got to put his mask back on, get out there.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Hey, we went into one of those.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I was going to say that might be the same one.

Speaker 1 For a birthday party. Yeah.
Like.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what type of club that is.

Speaker 3 Highest of high society I've ever been to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Ever will be.

Speaker 3 Had to check in at the front. Social club.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Social club's going to be able to get a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 You got to put a little sticker on your camera thing to cover it?

Speaker 1 No phones?

Speaker 2 No phones. No phones at all.

Speaker 3 You take your chip.

Speaker 1 What are you thinking this is? Oh, you guys talking like the Elks Lodge.

Speaker 3 Very similar.

Speaker 1 I think it is like the Elks. American Legion.
American Legion, good time.

Speaker 1 Sergeant Italy. Back in the day.
I think it's like that. Italian Club.
The Italian Club is a good spot. I'll tell you.
How is the Renton Italian Club doing right now?

Speaker 8 It's thriving.

Speaker 1 It's never been better. Are they in season? Is it botching season right now? No, I don't think they're in season.
Are they taking on the Pepperones?

Speaker 8 Actually, I think 12 12 months of the year is in season, to be honest.

Speaker 1 How's Coach doing? Is he rolling good ball right now? I'm not sure.

Speaker 8 I don't talk to him much about it.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 8 He gets real snippy when I talk to him about it.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't be talking about the Italian clubs.

Speaker 6 Maybe he needs some pepperoni rolls to the office to get his good juju.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe he needs to start sending some Italian stuff back to the Thunderdome that used to happen and now no longer happens. What's that all?

Speaker 8 I mean, to be honest, I don't talk to him much about anything anymore because he calls me, and unless my daughter's there, he hangs up.

Speaker 1 So, coach,

Speaker 1 coach, you better be rolling a good fucking bocce ball right right now if this is how we're operating. Got no rolls, no pepperoni rolls, no pumpkin,

Speaker 1 no linguine,

Speaker 1 no projud, no luggna,

Speaker 1 no motts, mozzarella mozzarella, no pro volon.

Speaker 1 What is this? What's this?

Speaker 15 Do diehard Italians have a different rules to bocce where they think other people are amateurs?

Speaker 1 It's the surface that they're playing on.

Speaker 1 If you do recall, Coach was pissed off about the Penhills pepperones, the rocks that that they have

Speaker 1 on the court, the bocce court.

Speaker 1 It was. They said it was not an elite bocce.

Speaker 15 It's like a long field. It's like a team that grows the grass really long.
Hey, we're going to slow these guys down.

Speaker 15 They're trying to even the field. Not just slow.

Speaker 1 You get a little bump in it because you know they rank it in that whole thing.

Speaker 1 If there's a little bit of a bump, that you know, when you're trying to get it close to something, you don't have a takes a skill out of it. Yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 Wait, what's the ideal surface for Bocci?

Speaker 1 Well, if you're a good thrower, I mean, yeah, you want just completely smooth, smooth, just completely smooth. Fast track.

Speaker 2 So, like asphalt like

Speaker 1 hardwood like it's like gravel so like gravel down yeah, but you want you just want smooth if it's not smooth it kind of gifts the people all the same size rocks too.

Speaker 15 You can't have like mini integer like bigger rocks mixed in throughout. You know, that's Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 1 A lot of bocce down in South Florida? No. A lot of Italians down there in there? Yeah, there is.

Speaker 2 I mean, maybe I'm just not around it. I actually saw my first

Speaker 2 bocce game

Speaker 2 this past summer upstate New York.

Speaker 1 How was it?

Speaker 2 Awesome. It is intense.

Speaker 5 It was very, very intense.

Speaker 8 What was their surface? Clay?

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't even.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I think, I'm just thinking like that green was a little bigger than that area, but it was kind of up on the stage.
And like,

Speaker 2 I would assume it was.

Speaker 1 That sounds wicky mouth. You know what? I got

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 8 Some places use field turf.

Speaker 1 Clay.

Speaker 2 It was indoors. Clay's real lace.

Speaker 3 Field turf. Ain't bocce.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm asking. When it grew up.

Speaker 2 Only picture I saw was from the fucking 1930s that y'all popped. No,

Speaker 1 that's what it is.

Speaker 1 That's kind of a part of the whole whole thing is you got to experience

Speaker 1 the throwback and that's part of the bocce community and that's why the rent italian club i don't know what their name of their bocce team is do you know what the name of their yeah they're the uh fighting hmm uh don't do it what is the name do you remember fighting gobbleguls no i don't think it was anything about

Speaker 1 fighting does it start with a g or a d i thought it was d it might be g

Speaker 1 yeah was it the dablos no i don't think I'm saying devil.

Speaker 8 Cuedos?

Speaker 1 D-A.

Speaker 1 Might have been.

Speaker 1 Was it that one? Was it the Cuedos? Could have been. Or was it the other one?

Speaker 1 Rhymes with the drink. The Faygo, I believe.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 8 Oh, How Drudego?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Big Death.

Speaker 1 I think that's the name of the team.

Speaker 3 They're fighting How Dr Degos?

Speaker 1 They told us. That's not what I said.

Speaker 8 That is.

Speaker 1 That is what you said. That's what you said.

Speaker 8 No, I said How Dr Dego. He threw an S on it.

Speaker 1 Yes, they're a team. ES.
That's because there's multiple days. You have to ask him.

Speaker 1 He can't say that, they're an ES on the end, like goes, but they were taking on the Penn Hills Pepperones, yeah. And uh, this is these aren't road names, oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 debut, debut. You do not want to be dancing,

Speaker 1 okay. You do not want to be dancing in the East Tills of Pittsburgh bocey league, okay.
These Paisons can roll a ball and they can get pissed off

Speaker 1 and the Penn Hills Pepperons. What they did to the track,

Speaker 1 the renting the Dying Club fighting

Speaker 1 Dagos are never going to forget it.

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Speaker 1 Football is wonderful. That's AJ Hawk.
The Toxic Table is here at Boss Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One after the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys A.P. Tone is here and nine-year.
NFL Veterans Jade Bowler. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 You look really cool, D-Bucks. Appreciate it, you too.
You know, in the first hour, AJ, you weren't here, there was a emergency press conference from the Hulkster. Did you see that?

Speaker 15 I did see that. It's great to see you guys.
Well, I guess not you guys, but some questions being thrown to the Hulkster, and he seemed to be very open and honest. So yeah, it was very cool.

Speaker 1 What a situation that is just so easy to make fun of last night. And obviously, I was watching live.

Speaker 15 I was watching live, and I'm like, all right, who's who's run the board? Who's trying to figure out the audio? What goes to Netflix? What doesn't? I wonder what it was like in person.

Speaker 15 But honestly, though, for that situation, the Hulkster handled it well. I don't know what I would have done.

Speaker 1 I would have just walked out. I would have walked out.

Speaker 1 I just stared at right now.

Speaker 1 And just going, it was,

Speaker 1 I think he said that he thought it was going to be 50-50, I believe. It's allegedly that's reported what Hulk Hogan said.

Speaker 1 He was going to say, now, if you listen to the press conference happening in the first hour, there is a chance they're booming Jimmy Hart.

Speaker 2 Nah, Jimmy's doing his job. I mean.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe they're saying, Hulk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a chance. And I saw on the internet a lot of people were saying, maybe they're saying we want some ice-cold, real American bruise.

Speaker 1 You know, because that's what beers are called. There is a chance that that was it.

Speaker 1 But I mean, you know, Hulkster, whenever he starts campaigning for a presidency and drops into the political world, he knows that he's going to piss off people.

Speaker 1 He just said it was too important for him not to get involved.

Speaker 1 That crowd last night with the way that place is built, because it's built like Virginia Tech. It's built like Seattle Seahawks state off.

Speaker 1 It's built like Foursound. It was loud in there.
So whenever he, I did not expect, honestly, I was mind, I was taking back fucking Hulkster's here. Holy shit.
Hulk Hogan's here.

Speaker 1 I had no idea that was the case. And then I see Jimmy Hart coming out with the flag.
And I'm like, what a moment here. And then

Speaker 1 I start hearing it. I'm like, wait a minute in a minute.
And then, you know, Cole's like. They were in your crowd all night.
All night.

Speaker 1 They were very loud. And I guess there was some people within WWE that thought that was potentially possible.
Sure.

Speaker 1 But to your point, Hulk Hogan went out there.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you something. And they're like, we don't want to hear it.

Speaker 1 He's like, I'm going to tell you anyways. And that's professionalism because, to your point, I won't be able to handle it.

Speaker 15 I put myself in his shoes, and I was like, oh, no, like, I don't think I'm equipped to handle that.

Speaker 1 Dominic Mysterio, for instance, he has next level,

Speaker 1 is what they call.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it was.

Speaker 8 He got kicked in the nuts. I thought he was going to get his girl back.

Speaker 1 Swift kick. Get his girl back.
Yeah, right. What he is.
I thought he was. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 That scumbag. His mommy.

Speaker 2 Back to mommy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he got kicked right in the nuts. What a great hunt, too.
Swear. Remember, in Ozzy Rolls football.
Oh, yeah. You know, they grow up having a kick.
Rhea,

Speaker 1 insane athlete from Australia. Yeah.
She's been doing that for a long time. It looked pure.
Okay. Boom.
Bang. Pow.
But whenever he's talking,

Speaker 1 they don't even let him get a word out and they boo him. And then he stops because he's all upset.
Obviously, you guys do. And then he goes back and it gets louder.
Same thing was kind of happening.

Speaker 1 And Hogan just kept going. Dom can never finish his sentences.
No. Hogan got through the entire thing.
And Michael Cole said, we wouldn't be here without Hogan.

Speaker 1 I mean, you watch some documentaries on the WWWF. It's like when the Hulkster was going around.

Speaker 15 That theme song alone is just, yeah, legit.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the whole, him and Andre the Giant just like

Speaker 1 building the company pretty much. And then obviously what it has become and gone onto is a whole different level.
But it was, yeah,

Speaker 1 that was pretty phenomenal.

Speaker 8 I'd love to, you know, fly down.

Speaker 8 What that?

Speaker 1 Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 Excuse me?

Speaker 2 Whoa, we got

Speaker 1 some

Speaker 1 body spray. Tackle.

Speaker 1 Body.

Speaker 1 Odor.

Speaker 1 Everywhere. Can you fucking? I mean, it's over your head.
Can you just do one of these?

Speaker 15 Well, mine, it's actually kind of cut off because I guess my screen, I don't know, my head, there's like, you know how FaceTime works.

Speaker 15 It's over top of that word.

Speaker 1 Well said. Oh, your box is.

Speaker 15 My box is all over that word.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you need to know that your box is directly under everywhere.

Speaker 1 And that is, so when I was pointing at tackle, body, odor, you know, and then everywhere is right above your head, because this is the thing. You don't have to stink.
No, no. You don't have to smell.

Speaker 1 Choice. There are some countries that just choose, you know, not to bathe.
And those countries suck. Yeah, they do.
Those countries are a place that you don't want to go.

Speaker 1 Those places are a place that whenever you think of it, you get a smell of shite and crap. And it's like, how is this what you guys have decided to do with your lives? Can you not smell yourself?

Speaker 1 Well, they just get desensitized to it. And then everybody else around them has to deal with it.

Speaker 1 And they say, well, the only way to deal with this crappie smelling person is for myself to get crappy so that I can desensitize my own nose to deal with how everybody else smells.

Speaker 1 And all of a sudden, boom, wildfire, everybody stinks. B.O., everywhere.
There's some countries that are like that still to this day. 1025.
Bad. Very Very nice countries, you know.

Speaker 1 Good place.

Speaker 15 I don't know you guys. I'd rather smell turds than body odor.
When someone has really bad body odor, it just, it does something. It's weird.

Speaker 1 And the reason why you're saying that is because turds are going to happen. Body odor doesn't have to happen.

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Because you could be wrecking everybody else with what's coming out of your pits.

Speaker 1 Maybe even

Speaker 1 maybe even your feet.

Speaker 1 You never know. Maybe even your ash.

Speaker 1 Got to wash your ass. Got to wash your ass.
Got to wash your ass.

Speaker 3 It doesn't wash itself.

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They smell like shit.

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And it always makes me feel good.

Speaker 1 Like, Dove is like a, it's like a good sound. It's like a.

Speaker 8 Dove is love men's ball.

Speaker 1 It is. I love dove.
Yeah.

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You know, it's like a nice warm feeling knowing that your body and your soul is not going to smell like shit.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Dove. Join the program.
Yeah. That's awesome.
It is awesome. I think we're going to get some Dove products in here.
I want to let you know, Dove, they're already in here.

Speaker 1 So it's always nice whenever you get to get a partnership with somebody that you already utilize on a regular basis, like Pizza Hut. Very easy.

Speaker 15 Pizza Hut, DoorDash. You kidding me?

Speaker 1 Every day. All day.
SeatGeek, any fucking ticket. Speaking of SeatGeek,

Speaker 1 the ticket prices are out for the semifinal games. And I'll tell you, the national championship average ticket resale price right now is gigantic.
It is a huge fucking number coming out of SeatGeek.

Speaker 1 We're talking like, if I remember, yeah, $2,700.

Speaker 1 $2,700. Now, $1,047, obviously, you see for the Texas, Ohio State game down there in the Cotton Bowl, and then Penn State, Notre Dame, down there in Miami, $601.
Miami's way down there, obviously.

Speaker 1 That's a far trip for a lot of these teams and fan bases, but it is a beautiful, beautiful time to be down in Miami. $2,700 average resale price for the national championship.
Now,

Speaker 1 depending upon who wins, this kind of happens with Super Bowl tickets.

Speaker 1 Depending upon who wins, you know, a lot of people in Texas right now, Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame, are all buying national championship tickets, or they were at least.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the ticket price was a week ago or two weeks ago, hoping that their team makes it. If their team doesn't, boom, they're going to resell them.

Speaker 1 So I assume that price is going to go down because there's going to be a lot more tickets that are about to come into the market after this particular set of semifinal games is done.

Speaker 1 But you're talking about four very powerful, very big, very wealthy fan bases

Speaker 1 here in this entire thing. That only sets up for good business whenever you're talking about this type of shit.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. I'm wondering what will be the ideal game for, I guess, networks, viewership.
Notre Dame.

Speaker 15 Notre Dame versus somebody.

Speaker 2 Ohio State, Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 Either or. Texas is

Speaker 4 Texas would be massive.

Speaker 15 All of them have huge alumni base. That's the thing.
All these schools have alumni with cash everywhere in the world.

Speaker 1 So I think I just saw Kirk Herb Street on three with

Speaker 1 Andy Staples.

Speaker 1 And it was great. And he was saying a lot of things.

Speaker 1 He complimented me and Saban in one of the videos. I haven't been able to see the whole park.
I think it's happening today, like right now. I think it's potentially taking place.

Speaker 1 But he chit-chatted about how a lot of people attack him in ESPN for like an SEC bias. And I think that's because a lot of guys have a lot of respect for the SEC teams.

Speaker 1 And obviously, we're down there. And everybody's like, well, ESPN has the SEC deal.
They have deals with fucking

Speaker 1 ESPN is trying to get deals with every, they obviously have the entire college football playoff.

Speaker 1 So if it was just ESPN caring and making decisions, they would want the biggest fan bases to be in every single big game.

Speaker 1 That's the only thing they would want. If that's all they were thinking about.
I think ESPN loves college ball. That's why they've invested so much.

Speaker 1 That's why people have invested their entire lives towards college ball.

Speaker 1 So I think whenever Kirk gets attacked for his SEC bias, even though he leaves out Tennessee and I think, he takes it to heart because he just wants college ball to have its best in his eyes.

Speaker 1 Now, everybody has their own different eyes. And in this particular season, any team could have beat anybody.
It really felt like that from the jump.

Speaker 1 And I think that's what it's going to be going forward with the Transfer Portal NIL. There's a lot more parity.
You know, I think there's going to be a lot more upsets technically.

Speaker 1 I think there's going to be a lot of smaller teams going on a big run out of nowhere because they get a good draft class, sorry, recruiting class that they bring in through the transfer portal and they're able to go on a run.

Speaker 1 Arizona State, I mean, they could have been in the semifinals whenever they're projected to win four games.

Speaker 1 Last team in the Big 12 because of the Transfer Portal and getting guys in there in a couple years, turning it around and making it big.

Speaker 1 but it's like these four teams if ESPN was to be projecting it and it's only one SEC team and this SEC team just joined it it's like these fan bases are fucking gigantic I mean it is Penn State obviously all over the place Notre Dame is the entire globe, pretty much.

Speaker 1 That's why the NBC deal has been its own. They have operated in a unique anomaly situation for so long in big time sport and big time business because of how big their fan fan base is.

Speaker 1 Ohio State, how many undergrad, AJ?

Speaker 15 Like 55K, I think.

Speaker 1 I think it's even more this year. I think it's closer to 60, 70, if we looked it up earlier.
So you got a lot of alumni of Ohio State and the entire state of Ohio are Buckeye people.

Speaker 1 So it's like that fan base is huge. Anytime Ohio State is involved in anything, number massive.
I mean, that is just the fact of the matter.

Speaker 1 The only reason why I know that is because I've had a chance to be in this world where they're telling you ratings like every ratings, ratings, what are they? How's Nielsen now? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Ratings, ratings, ratings, ratings, ratings. Anytime Ohio State's a part of it, huge.
Anytime Texas is a part of it, huge. Penn State, Notre Dame part of it.

Speaker 1 It's like these are four gigantic football universities. And I assume these numbers are going to be insane

Speaker 1 on these ratings.

Speaker 8 Or sorry, Texas and Penn State are both 42,000-ish, 43,000. I just looked it up.
Ohio State is 66,000 undergrad population this year, and and then Notre Dame is Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 Just undergrad. Yeah,

Speaker 1 let alone everybody going to the medical schools. Who, uh,

Speaker 1 do you know whose medical schools those are over there and stuff at Ohio State?

Speaker 21 What do you mean?

Speaker 15 No, I don't mean like the medical school.

Speaker 1 Ohio State medical schools. Yeah.
Yeah, I see them.

Speaker 15 Like what the buildings are named?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, they're on.

Speaker 15 Oh, each building has a different name. No, no, different.

Speaker 1 No, each building had the same name, actually. We were driving on this side of the street and on this side of the street.
We saw them all. You know, you remember that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Big money. W.
Huge.

Speaker 1 I think.

Speaker 1 Anyways, you get it. A lot of people.
All of these schools.

Speaker 1 So as we look ahead to calling both of them on the sideline, let's think about how incredibly lucky we are about the history that's about to be fucking made.

Speaker 1 I cannot believe we get a chance to be a part of these. Thursday, Miami.
Friday.

Speaker 1 Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 1 Hopefully. What's going on here? So there's...
They're supposed to get like a foot of salt currently.

Speaker 1 Thursday.

Speaker 15 They don't have any salt down there either, do they?

Speaker 1 No, they don't. Remember that Super Bowl down in Dallas? The Steelers were a part of it.
There was like lawsuits and stuff because people couldn't get paid. I was there.

Speaker 15 We couldn't get to practice.

Speaker 1 Oh, you were there for that?

Speaker 15 Yeah, I was in that Super Bowl. Yeah, it snowed like the day before we got there, and they even said, hey, we don't really have trucks or salt.

Speaker 15 So whatever you see, we're just going to mash down with our cars and our buses and keep it moving.

Speaker 1 That's always the best option, too. You know, that match down snow and ice is always what you're really looking for in its entirety.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I didn't even, I didn't even think about the snow being down there and then i saw a doppler oh yeah that was purple i think i'm like like you say like 10 inches tone that much really that's what they are more than 15 brother i mean possibly yeah well possibly we're not god we don't know no but they are one for one i was gonna say they're one for one usually in indiana it's wrong and they got this snowstorm right i was doubting so hard the hype that was coming around this snowstorm earlier this week it's just like nah people were I guess, rushing the grocery stores

Speaker 1 because the way this was being talked about. And then all the Dopplers are just like blew over an entire portion of the United States of America.
And they're like, hey, this is what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 This is what's going to happen. And I had to travel, obviously, on that Monday morning, which it was right in the middle.
They're like, Sunday afternoon into Monday a.m. is the worst of this.

Speaker 1 And my wife, Sam, is obviously like, hey, should we,

Speaker 1 should you think about this? You know, because it's not just you that worries about you getting up and into the the sky and, you know, get this whole thing. And I just thought it's all bullshit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I said, Sam, this is all. A lot of times it is.
As somebody that grew up, you know, in a winter place, this is probably how hurricane people feel.

Speaker 2 This is exactly how hurricane is.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 down in South Florida. Yep.

Speaker 1 That's how I felt with it. And then lo and behold, that Sunday afternoon hit

Speaker 1 and we had committed to a plan by then. There was no other options because the snow had already started.
It was thick. It came down down.
I mean, we're talking thick snow, laid in there.

Speaker 1 I think it would have been great snowball weather. I'm not sure, but it was also cold as shit.
It was like everything bad, cold that could be came.

Speaker 1 And we just were lucky that there was like an hour break whenever we needed to take off to get out of there. So we lucked out.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 they called their shot on this one. This was a real deal.
I was not a believer. I was not a believer going into it.
This Dallas one looks real deal, too. Bigger problem, too.

Speaker 3 Because Thursday, obviously, into Friday, that's when

Speaker 3 we would be

Speaker 1 traveling. just sent a video in from the weather channel.
We'll be fine. This is our goal.

Speaker 8 Around 30 seconds in, 25 seconds in there.

Speaker 1 Looks like they might be going for like

Speaker 8 somewhere between 5 and 8 or 12 to 18, 8 to 12.

Speaker 1 Can you FaceTime Cantor?

Speaker 15 Winterstorm Cora. That's what's coming.

Speaker 1 Oh, they got a name for it? Cora, that seems like such an innocent name. Oh, look at Cora coming through.
Oh, ruined a college football playoff. Come on.
Starting at 12, counting down to one.

Speaker 1 Good luck if you can't breathe.

Speaker 3 You don't want us to count down.

Speaker 15 My kids had school canceled today, too.

Speaker 1 Twice?

Speaker 15 Really? Well, Monday, they didn't have school for some reason. They would have been canceled.
Then today we had no clue. We didn't even think about it being canceled.

Speaker 15 And it was, I think, because it's cold and there's still ice in the ground.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like six degrees. Do they have to make up for that at the end of this? Are they doing e-learning?

Speaker 15 If they miss a certain amount, if you miss like over four or five days, yeah, they got to go extra.

Speaker 1 Two-hour delay, always the greatest. You wake up and hear a two-hour delay.
It's like,

Speaker 1 what a dream. What a dream.
I actually tried tried to get a two-hour delay one time.

Speaker 1 Great story. Took a bucket of water.

Speaker 1 Took a couple

Speaker 1 buckets of water. We learned where we thought the superintendent lived, and we thought he was the one that was making the decision.
So we fucking dumped water on this guy's front porch.

Speaker 1 Thought for sure he wakes up in the morning, walks out there, slips. We had a two-hour delay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was the neighbor's house, too. Wasn't the fucking superintendent guy.
And it turns out it didn't even really snow either. So

Speaker 1 there was no no chance of us getting it. It was a, it was about, it was in theory, in theory, genius idea.
Because two-hour delays were the greatest. You didn't have to make up for them.

Speaker 1 And all the periods were what? Yeah, you didn't. 15, 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 And the teachers didn't want to do shit either.

Speaker 4 And if the bad stuff was coming, there was a chance you were also getting out early. They'd just be like, yeah, fuck it.
Whatever. You got to get the buses in here.

Speaker 1 We just got an update from Jim Cantori. He might be able to call back here soon.
He's in the middle of probably tracking Cora, seeing where this lady's headed.

Speaker 1 Because if she causes devastation to the CFP. Come on.
Oh, we're home. It's bad news.
Cora, come on. We got ball going on.
Big-time ball going on.

Speaker 1 Down here in the state of Texas with Texas being at home. Is Ohio State going to travel? How do we feel about that? Do we think Ohio State fans are going to be traveling?

Speaker 15 I think so. Yeah, I think they'll definitely travel, but I mean, it is a lot if you think about it.
Like, say, we know how many die-hard Ohio State fans there are.

Speaker 15 I mean, I've had cousins that have mortgaged, gotten second mortgage on their house to go to a bull game.

Speaker 15 So when you have, you're looking at four games, traveling to go to four games, I guess one was home. It's a lot of cash and time that you got to, you know, commit to.

Speaker 15 So, I think there's probably some people that have wanted to go and they're watching this game. They say, The second that I know Ohio State's winning, I'm booking tickets to the national championship.

Speaker 1 Well, think about Pasadena Rose Bowl is expensive. The whole operation is expensive.
It's really far

Speaker 1 really far. Everything's expensive, and it's the Rose Bowl.
Getting in and out of it's expensive. So, then you win.
Congratulations. Now, you got to go down to Dallas for the Cotton Bowl.

Speaker 1 I think James Franklin mentioned something. There was, I don't know if there wasn't as many Penn State fans as they thought, maybe against boys,

Speaker 1 I forget what it was, but he said a lot of our fans, I think, are trying to pick which

Speaker 1 game they want to go to. So they're kind of getting caught in like,

Speaker 1 well, if we go down to Miami, that's very expensive, very far, everything down there. Are we going to use all our money for that? Or are we going to go to this particular game?

Speaker 1 And we think, if you ask them what we think we're going to win that game, boo-boo, that's a decision.

Speaker 1 That definitely happened.

Speaker 8 I saw it because it was like 60, 40 Boise. And I saw a lot of the Penn State thinking was, hey, we got this one against Boise.
Let's save our money for Miami. So I'd expect that.

Speaker 1 Now, shout out to Boise showing up. Sure.
And also, it was on their half of the country and everything like that, but didn't even think about the ripple effects of some of these things.

Speaker 1 Like bowl games, people going to bowl games, fans going to bowl games. It's like,

Speaker 1 that's a celebration. You said, talk about leveraging mortgage.
It's like, that's a big to-do. Like, hey, we're all going to do this.
Now, four of them is what Ohio State would have to do.

Speaker 1 And then you make it to to the national championship, you got $2,700 waiting on you. Yeah.
It's like, golly, you got to have some real money to be supporting these teams all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 And everybody's doing it for the good of the team. But I think that is something I don't think any of us could have expected coming into this year.

Speaker 4 Not to mention when you're buying like plane tickets that late, you know, when it's a quick turnaround and all of a sudden you got like a flight like the next week, like that's

Speaker 4 incredibly expensive. And then the hotels are probably going to jack up hotel prices with everyone coming in.
Like it's.

Speaker 1 And then when you get there on the ground, what are you going to do? You're going to Uber?

Speaker 1 Those costs are are getting spiked,

Speaker 1 drinking

Speaker 1 that all up

Speaker 1 snorting, shooting. What are you doing? What was that? Come on, I'm not doing digs, snorting and shooting.

Speaker 15 What are you snorting and shooting, digs?

Speaker 8 I believe that was from a uh was it Tommy Boy when he goes eating, drinking, snorting, shooting from black sheep, black sheep.

Speaker 1 Thank you, yes, Chris Farley at all.

Speaker 15 The best shooting basketball Chris Farley still holds up.

Speaker 1 Yep,

Speaker 1 he would be in this era.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 Anytime you hear somebody that knows him talk about him, they're like, this guy, greatest guy. And then you watch him, it's like, electric.

Speaker 15 He was so young. Wasn't he like 33, 35 when he died?

Speaker 1 He lived, though. I think that's the story that I heard is he really got after it there for a bit.
And it's like,

Speaker 1 I think that's a part of why he was so entertaining, though, because he was 150 miles an hour. Yeah, all the time.
So how do you, I wish we could have got him longer.

Speaker 1 I wish my eye could have experienced Chris Farley a bit more. What an energy.
Just what a giver to society in an energetic form.

Speaker 1 Robin Williams, another one that was that came out of nowhere, kind of seemingly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How does he his movies?

Speaker 1 He did some super serious fucking movies.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Google Hunting, Deadpool Society both hold up.

Speaker 1 I watched Mr.

Speaker 6 Dalfire this year.

Speaker 1 It was pretty good.

Speaker 1 Still good. Mrs.
Dalfire holds up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Flubber. Flubber.

Speaker 1 It was a brilliant movie.

Speaker 3 Juman Jumanji, the original.

Speaker 7 Come on.

Speaker 1 What's that one where he's doctor?

Speaker 1 Patch Adams. There it is.

Speaker 1 He was just saying, hey, come on. Let's laugh a little bit.
Come on. I don't know if a lot of it would have worked in another way.

Speaker 15 Didn't he really fooled his ex-wife in Mrs. Doubtfire?

Speaker 3 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 You know, it's good actors.

Speaker 1 Speaking of good actors,

Speaker 1 there's somebody that's currently an owner of a team. Oh, yeah.
And

Speaker 1 a general manager of a team. He needs to direct his attention to acting.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, a future Oscar winner, I believe.

Speaker 1 Here's Jerry Jones in Landman.

Speaker 21 I'm not saying I've I've done anything right, but I made my mind up a long time ago I was going to work with my kids.

Speaker 21 They're involved in everything.

Speaker 20 They're involved in my leasing, oil and gas, real estate. And so when I got to come, I was I got it so that we could all work together.

Speaker 20 I thought I was doing it for them.

Speaker 20 But the one that got the most out of it was me.

Speaker 20 I just know it's not going to be this time, but you're going to be sitting here sometime in the future, laying here sometime in the future.

Speaker 20 And this room is going to be full of your business associates and the people you've worked with all your life.

Speaker 20 And more than likely, your children and family are going to be there because they're your children and your family.

Speaker 20 But you could have them there because they're the people you spent your life with, you worked with, you fell down with, you got up with.

Speaker 20 Not just Thanksgiving, Christmas.

Speaker 20 That's who you want to be with.

Speaker 21 So when that time comes like this,

Speaker 20 it's a celebration of your life,

Speaker 20 and you're not wishing you'd spend a little more time seeing a few more sons come up.

Speaker 20 That's the trick.

Speaker 20 That's the trick.

Speaker 20 Because that's going to be your glory.

Speaker 21 And I'm pretty proud of them cowboys. I'm pretty proud of the stuff we've done in oil and gas.

Speaker 20 It pales in comparison to how proud I am to have lived my life working with my kids.

Speaker 20 You got a chance to do something about that. I hope you will.

Speaker 20 And I'll tell you, young man, you're no spring chicken.

Speaker 20 And you ought to listen to a little list yourself. Yes, sir.
Yeah, I'm a few eggs short of a spring chicken, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 Thank a lot of both of you guys.

Speaker 1 Feelings mutual. Thank you, Terry.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 1 Don't mind making my rubber glove out.

Speaker 1 Elgini, I said hi.

Speaker 8 Good to see you, Mr. Jones.

Speaker 1 Holy fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 7 Getting me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Dude, he had a little twitch in his eye there, and then

Speaker 1 he hits a very Thanksgiving Christmas. He all starts crying there.
That was wonderful. I'm not going to watch Landman because of that.

Speaker 2 Legit started watching the show after I saw it on X. I saw it on X, went in probably three episodes in.

Speaker 1 Great decision. He, I mean, that had to be his speech.

Speaker 1 Unless that is somebody else's script. That's somebody else's script, you think, Tai Smith? That's Taylor Sheridan, bro.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 15 But it's also Jerry's life.

Speaker 1 You remember what fucking Jerry just said when he was on?

Speaker 1 That's Jerry.

Speaker 1 That's Taylor Sheridan right there.

Speaker 1 Now, him being able to deliver it is very impressive.

Speaker 4 Very impressive, hitting all those beats and everything but no

Speaker 1 jerry wouldn't fucking ad living that no way

Speaker 1 like stephen jones hold on comes over hold on you come on now i think that was you're saying no like nick saban said 50 in the blind side maybe a couple words were his own yeah bingo had to have more than 50 i think jerry if that's the case he is maybe the greatest thespian on our film

Speaker 4 he was feeling the real feelings there might be a chance that jerry went in and was like i got this and then did what he did earlier, just babbling, saying nothing. And they were like, all right.

Speaker 4 Taylor was like, that was great, Jerry. Now, why don't you try my version? And then, boom, we get that.
And it's.

Speaker 1 Coach Sabin told the story this year that Blindside, they wrote up a script for how he needs to recruit, you know, Michael Warr. And he said,

Speaker 1 all right, I'll read all this. If.
Can I just do it? And then if it doesn't work, I'll read all.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 1 Because they wanted him to say things that I'm sure he got so mad about. He was probably so frustrated.

Speaker 1 That ain't how it goes.

Speaker 1 And he

Speaker 1 ad-libbed a line about some

Speaker 1 decoration that was on the set. Sconces.
Yeah, I think it was something along that, like some word to Sandra Bullock, right? She was the mom in that. And they had just like an ad-lib moment on that.

Speaker 1 That was all Nick Saban. Then when he sits down, he starts selling.
It's just like him doing basically his thing.

Speaker 4 I think Coach Saban's a little more with it at the current moment. What? Than old Jerry.

Speaker 1 A speech about life and then trying not to give away your business plans are two different things. From last year.
How awesome was that from Jerry? That was fucking awesome.

Speaker 15 I'm telling you, like, I was starting to get emotional the first time I saw the clip, and then I'm like, wait, Jerry's crying too here.

Speaker 15 Like, it was, yeah, honestly, Jerry needs to do some more acting. We need to get him into more stuff.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. And he said in an interview that this wasn't an investment.
I'm not just sitting back and watching TV. This is something to do with my kids.

Speaker 1 You know, work with his kids in this entire thing. Maybe, you know, Jerry, let the kids do a little bit more with the Cowboys and you focus on being old whack guy in movies.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of those needed. There's a lot of, there's a lot of movies that that is needed.
And could you imagine these writers? Who is this one? Taylor Sheridan.

Speaker 1 Okay, there's a lot of talented writers. Taylor stuff.
There's a lot of crap ones, too. A lot of crap ones.
A lot of shite ones, but there's a lot of really good ones.

Speaker 1 Imagine if they're told, hey, Jerry Jones is available. as character.

Speaker 1 Like the things that people would write for Jerry, especially with that, it's like, I think we're looking at a fucking potential Oscar winner. That was phenomenal.
No doubt. So good.
Yeah. Jare,

Speaker 1 have people write your scripts for your post-game scrums. Me, Joe.
Eagle. Oh, yeah.
If all his roles are about billionaire oil landowners, yeah, I think he's got something there.

Speaker 1 What's in right now for a lot of this shit, right? And that kind of land is a big deal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is my territory. This is my land.
Jerry Jones is a this is my land guy. Yeah.
Good luck.

Speaker 1 That's going to be number one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and he's expanded role.

Speaker 1 Star.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying expander role. I'm saying.

Speaker 15 It'll probably be a spin-off now. He'll probably get his his own spin-off after that.

Speaker 1 What is he? He was good on hard knocks, too. Remember? He had the sandwiches.
Oh, there they are.

Speaker 15 Talking about the dude's dong that Taylor Shared?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 That wasn't on Hard Knocks. I was on Jamie Foxx's live.

Speaker 1 Did you watch Jamie Foxx's

Speaker 1 Netflix here?

Speaker 15 I saw about 30 minutes of it.

Speaker 1 I did as well. I mean, that was powerful.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I heard it. Not a comedy.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 That's what I heard. Yeah, it's just like him talking.

Speaker 2 Him telling the story. Ted Talk.

Speaker 2 Not a comedy special.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought it was a comedy special. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, oh, this dude's very grateful to be alive.

Speaker 1 And then you start listening. It's like, oh, yeah, this is real deal shit here.
And then, obviously, still Jamie Foxx and their shit talking. Also felt obligated to prove that he's not Clone.

Speaker 1 So that was good. I like that.

Speaker 1 Did he prove it? To me? Yeah. I thought so.
Did he like? What did he do? Blood or something? No, he just impersonated some old characters that he used to do.

Speaker 15 That's a good clone if they did it. If they did it, they figured cloning out.

Speaker 1 I think that was, but I think he actually thought about it too. too like how would you so i was like pretty appreciative of that did some old characters you know nailed it and it's like

Speaker 1 okay what if he doesn't though just because he's older in that moment yeah i'm not so old oh my god it just no he's gotta keep jamie fox

Speaker 2 all aside like he

Speaker 2 probably one of the most talented humans like music acting like stand-up comedy like he has done it all at an elite level so he's got a new movie coming out on uh netflix in like two weeks what's it called i don't know know.

Speaker 4 It's him and Cameron Diaz, though.

Speaker 1 Cam's back?

Speaker 1 What's that? O'Shea Jackson, Denna Thieves? Is that a movie? Yeah, Denna Thieves 2

Speaker 1 is coming out. Yeah.
It's going to be

Speaker 1 Jerry Butler. He looked cool last night.
He did. Yeah.
Him and TJ Jefferson from the Rich Eisen Show have a wrestling podcast. I thought the name, I forgot the name of it in the moment.

Speaker 1 I think it's like the collect move.

Speaker 3 Gave it a shout out, though.

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 1 Wanted to say the name. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just would like to let O'Shea and TJ know that as it was coming from brain to mouth, I quickly realized, oh, I don't know if that's the name. No contest,

Speaker 1 yeah, when I got it right. So, and I just learned about it on NFL Game Day Morning, literally the day before, because he was on talking about it with Rich Eisen.

Speaker 1 Rich Eisen actually had a pretty good amount of knowledge on uh wrestling a little bit, talked about CM Punk, talked about Seth Rollins. It was a pretty nice little thing, hey, Rich.

Speaker 1 Hey, they're saying they hate me on that show.

Speaker 1 We talked about your show.

Speaker 1 I saw that one guy said what? No, there's numerous Gerald McCoy had to respond. Say, I don't hate him.
I like him. Kurt Warner had to respond.
I don't hate him. I like him.

Speaker 1 If Mooch had an X, I think he would have had to respond. I think they would have.

Speaker 1 A lot of people saying it was, a lot is like 10 to 15, but that's more than you would expect to say, wow, these guys fucking hate Matt McAfee coming on this show.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I don't think that's true. And I watched some eclipse back.
I'm like, I could see how you would.

Speaker 1 I could see how you would think. That's a four-hour show, though.
Yeah. I mean, that is a four-hour show.
I'm coming in the final hour.

Speaker 8 Or what hour hour is it there, too, in L.A.?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Yeah, exactly.
So I don't think that's the case at all, bro.

Speaker 1 There was

Speaker 1 more than a handful of people that are like,

Speaker 1 these guys fucking hate when Packham's on. They don't know no ball.

Speaker 1 I'm going to start viewing it from a different lens. I'm going to start seeing it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to start seeing if it's true or not. I'm coming in there just as like.

Speaker 8 I'm sure you won't bring it up on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Hey, I heard you guys hate me. Thanks.
Thanks for making that the case. No,

Speaker 1 I'm a big fan of that show. I watch that show a lot.
I watch watch that show basically every Sunday. They do so many skits and shit.
They don't take themselves serious.

Speaker 1 The people behind the scenes, I've got a chance to chat with them. Big brain, like TV brain, you know, shit, segment ideas doing this.

Speaker 1 I really enjoy that show. I think they're missing Michael Irvin.
Yeah. Sure.

Speaker 1 Which I think is. One of one.
He's on speak. One of one.

Speaker 1 Playmate. Oh, yeah, he was on speak.
He is.

Speaker 15 Works.

Speaker 1 Phenomenal television.

Speaker 2 Juice. Yeah,

Speaker 2 and he's on speak every week. I think on Mondays.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Everybody try and get on that show. All right,

Speaker 1 from what I heard, they're gonna invest a lot into that show. That's what they're saying.
From what I heard. For now.

Speaker 1 All right. We should have ended the show right after that Jerry Jones speaking Jerry Jones' script thing.
Mm-hmm. Because he crushed that.

Speaker 1 Final answer.

Speaker 1 That was not Jerry Jones.

Speaker 4 No, no, absolutely not.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 1 A deal more difficult. It was definitely not.

Speaker 15 Taylor Sheridan wrote hit.

Speaker 15 He was informed by Jerry's life in the script, though. Like,

Speaker 15 no carryover, but Jerry, the way he delivered it, we've seen, like, watch any kind of athlete or someone in Jerry's position try to act. They're usually terrible.
They're usually really bad.

Speaker 1 On that note, John Cena, I think you will win an Oscar. No doubt.
Oh, man.

Speaker 15 He was unbelievable. John Cena blew my socks off, as they say, as

Speaker 1 Ricky Stanicky. Did you see? Yes.

Speaker 1 Everything he does. Ferdinand, even.
You go back to Ferdinand

Speaker 1 when he's a voice. I mean, he is awesome.

Speaker 15 And he can do comedy, which comedy is tough for people to do. And he did it beautifully.

Speaker 1 And he could do drama. And he does not take himself seriously at all.
We'll do, hey, let's do it for the good of content. I will do it.
Those socks last night or something.

Speaker 1 Did you see? He had these high blue socks on with black shoes. Swag.
And then he had, and I don't want to shoot. Yeah, I was looking at it all.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, C is the fucking, he's the only human on earth that can come out in front of 70%. I thought I saw a picture from earlier in the day.
Did he have that outfit on for 28 hours yesterday?

Speaker 1 What do you mean, John Cena?

Speaker 1 Well, John Cena.

Speaker 1 There is, like last night involved a few of the people

Speaker 1 that guarantee buzz whenever they're around. And it's like, he's one of them.
And he's way too nice to me and to us. I mean, he is.
I stood next to him for

Speaker 1 there's a thing that happened backstage. Everybody was kind of gathered around, learning some stuff.

Speaker 1 I'm standing next to John Cena. And I just like looked over at him and I'm like, this guy, this is this is one of the guys

Speaker 1 like of all time. Ever.
And he's going to go right into the movie business full time and he's going to become the guy. And he's just acting as if he's not, which is so stupid.

Speaker 1 I think that is why everybody really loves him at the WWE because he is to everybody acts like he's just like the

Speaker 1 rock talking to people. is insane.
Just the way, because I think the WWE people have been around for so long. So everybody has like a respect for each other.
And everybody there is very important.

Speaker 1 Like everybody at every job is very important. If they don't do their job good,

Speaker 1 potentially ruin the business. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Potentially ruin the entire business. So it's nice to see like these megastars come back and how it's all operated.
And Cena, whenever he hits,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 4 every time still.

Speaker 1 Topanga was doing it.

Speaker 15 They showed Topanga and she's doing you can't.

Speaker 15 What's her real name?

Speaker 1 Danielle? Danielle Official. I saw that last night.

Speaker 1 I saw that last night. Because Cole was doing all the reading of the celebrity names, and he was getting new sheets.

Speaker 1 Like every time we would send a video, it's like, hey, here's a new list of people that are here tonight. Here's a new list of people that are here tonight.

Speaker 1 Because I don't even think like WWE knew some of these people who were coming, just coming. as fans of the show.
So that was a cool thing.

Speaker 1 So whenever Danielle Official is on the sheet, I don't know who that, I had no idea who that was. I had no clue who it was.
And it popped up on a screen. I'm like, there's Topanga.
Macaulay was there.

Speaker 1 Looked up his brother was there kier was there dude

Speaker 1 talk to him on the way out talk to him on the way out let him know yo you are a

Speaker 1 mega talent dog like secession was awesome absolutely awesome yeah here's where i try to drop the uh the name of the podcast hey that's a wrestling podcast that's all i can say out of the entire kieran won a golden globe for a movie he was in he did macaulay's brother yeah he's also secession right he was yeah roman he is the yeah he is the show there is that the guy from the show too to her right?

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 1 To her left, our right.

Speaker 15 They didn't put his name on.

Speaker 1 Eric Matthews, yeah.

Speaker 4 Will Fredel.

Speaker 3 They kind of did him dirty.

Speaker 1 That was him? Yeah, that's Courtney Matthews' older brother. Yeah.
I met him. Didn't I? Feen him? Was that him?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. That's it.
Oh, fuck, dude. I messed it up.

Speaker 4 He's on the podcast with her.

Speaker 1 Not a bad thing. Hey, it was great meeting you, man.
If I would have known at the time, I would have paid much more respect. That's 100% on me.

Speaker 7 He doesn't look the exact same.

Speaker 1 Yes, he does. He gets it.
He looks the exact same. Now that you mention it, they both look at him.
That is clearly him.

Speaker 1 He does. He does.
Love you. It was a long day.

Speaker 1 It was a long day.

Speaker 1 Golly.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 15 I was worried earlier they had a shot of Fluffy in the background when they were showing somebody else.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, you're not going to mention Fluffy, but then they paid it off when they came back and promoted his special.

Speaker 15 Fluffy was a part of the show.

Speaker 1 Fluffy was a part of the show. He's so jovial.

Speaker 1 He is so jovial, Fluffy. It's always like

Speaker 1 Travis Scott, Scott, he had to feel so fucking cool walking into that place. Think about being Travis.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he got caught on a hot mic.

Speaker 7 It was awesome.

Speaker 3 Coming in? Yeah, yeah. When they stopped halfway through the walkdown, I forget what he said exactly, but I know it would have got bleeped out if it was into a microphone.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. There was a couple of those where I was like, are me and Cole only hearing this? Is everybody hearing this?

Speaker 1 And I think it was because the way that everybody was on top. I mean, it was like

Speaker 1 Travis standing in that VOM or whatever it is, and the people all on top of him with Fiend going and him literally smoking. That had to feel so fucking

Speaker 1 that had to feel so. I thought that was part of it.

Speaker 11 I thought you were part of it.

Speaker 15 And you had a great interaction with him when they came down. Yep, Sage.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I had no idea it was coming out. Obviously, I had no idea who was coming.

Speaker 15 I thought it was a thing. I was like, oh, this is, they talked about this beforehand.
I thought for sure it was a thing.

Speaker 1 No idea. He had no clues.
I was like, in the moment, I said, this is so cool. Like, that's literally how I feel.
I had no clue what was coming.

Speaker 1 And then I see Travis Scott walking and I hear Fiend start or whatever. And because it's played every Saturday at game day, because every time it bangs, it goes.
I mean, it is awesome.

Speaker 1 So I hear it start playing. I'm like, holy shit, Travis Scott doing something.
And then I look up and he's standing up. I'm like, that is so awesome.
And I see the vitamins and the sage just kind of.

Speaker 1 irradiating from his hand. I'm like, this dude got to feel like the coolest guy of all time right now.

Speaker 1 And then when Jey Uso joins him up there and they start going absolutely ape shit and 17,000 plus are all yeeting at the same time. I mean that was

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean Travis is ready to fucking go to war right there. Yeah, as he should showman, dude.
Oh, yeah. He sat down at the commentary desk.
I had no idea. That was can we get the guy a headset?

Speaker 1 Yeah. They're like, I don't think he's doing that.
I was like, he's sitting down right now.

Speaker 1 Can we get him a headset? He's he's a cool dude, man. Got a chance to chat with him and his crew afterwards.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, might have been able to experience the sage a little bit. Sure, sure.
Cool moment. Cool moment there.
And

Speaker 1 10-time Grammy nominee.

Speaker 1 Bangers after bangers after bangers. His shoes, his business,

Speaker 1 the guy's crushing it. And he was all in last night.
And that's what it was all about. I felt like everybody was all in in there.
You could feel that it was a special thing.

Speaker 1 Like throughout the night, you could feel a special. You know, sometimes call in Monday Night Raw, which is a three-hour show.
And obviously.

Speaker 1 Very lucky to be welcomed back, asked back, opportunity to come back and commentate. That is a very, very important seat in the the history of professional wrestling.

Speaker 1 To do it alongside Michael Cole, I'm so incredibly lucky. But there's sometimes, you know, there's a clock right over by hard cam over there.
And we'll be doing a show. We'll be doing a show.

Speaker 1 Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And I look over and it's been 47 minutes.
I'm like, I did not, I thought we were going to be at least an hour and a half in this.

Speaker 1 I thought we were going to be at least hour, 45 minutes. You look in, it's like 47 minutes.
It's like, okay, here we, let's do this thing.

Speaker 1 Last night, I, I wasn't able to keep up with everything that was happening.

Speaker 1 Obviously, I was trying to like enjoy the moment as much as possible, and it was chaotic as shit, so you couldn't really do that.

Speaker 1 I looked down at my phone, and it was like two hours and 45 minutes into the show. I'm like, holy shit, we are still doing it was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
What a start.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to hear what the numbers are. How's that work? Yeah, I'm not sure.
I mean,

Speaker 4 it's always important that kind of stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 3 They did it with the NFO games.

Speaker 1 It was packed, though. Boom.

Speaker 4 That was a perfect venue, too, because that's like one of one.

Speaker 4 You know, like for, like, if you just do that at some, I mean, even if, like, even at at like MSG, like, I don't think it's delivering the same experience that that place is, you know, on night one.

Speaker 5 Visually, visually, of course.

Speaker 4 It was fucking incredible.

Speaker 18 Production was outstanding.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 18 I mean, the drones, the cranes, the steady cam, everything was so good.

Speaker 1 Perfect. How about that drone?

Speaker 18 It's the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 1 I thought that was all, they were pre-recording it because I saw that thing early. That thing early was buzzing around and small.
Real small.

Speaker 1 And I think it's real small so it doesn't distract anybody. But also if it falls, we're not going to get any massive issues, you know, because that is possible, I guess.

Speaker 1 But it was so small, and whoever was flying that fucking thing was in a cockpit because they were down. I mean, it was real.
Yeah. You ever watch those drone races? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Holes.

Speaker 8 We used to have them on the office every day.

Speaker 1 Dude, what a phenomenal.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude. They're going like 10,000 miles an hour.
That is literally what it's going to do. Dude, they crash.
And they're racing through Nexus.

Speaker 2 Bigger.

Speaker 1 Pretty powerful.

Speaker 7 I don't know what. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's hard to tell. They're going through like circles.
They're going through like hoops. So tight

Speaker 3 through entire stadiums.

Speaker 1 They need to bring that back. That, the lumberjack games? Yep.

Speaker 3 That needs to come back. The ice skating races down the mountains.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Crushed ice. Crushed ice.

Speaker 1 There it is. I was supposed to say about it.
You know, they had.

Speaker 15 Did you guys see ESPN? One of the ESPNs I stumbled across with my kids the other day had the

Speaker 15 air guitar national championships. Really?

Speaker 1 They aired? I did see that.

Speaker 1 Did that lady hit the double crown again where she won the fake horse air guitar championship both of them back to back? I think she did that last year.

Speaker 15 Oh, I didn't get to the very end of it. I would say the build-up and the thought of it was a little bit better than the execution, but credit for them to put it on there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 15 Then we played for like, then we played their song for like 25, 30 seconds each person, I think. I don't know who won.
I didn't stick around. Dang it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. I mean, we just got the moves.
That's all you got to do. You're slapping the basement.
Oh, shit. Oh, oh,

Speaker 1 oh, yeah, he's got it. Oh, my God, it's the winner, right? So

Speaker 15 nobody was like this on the one I saw.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 Hey, pull up the fake horse. Why?

Speaker 1 You want to talk about that big dumbest shit I've ever seen?

Speaker 1 Pull up the fake horse. You've seen this.
This is the whitest thing I've ever seen on the internet.

Speaker 1 This is it. This is athletic.

Speaker 2 Was that a crowd? It was a crowd into a big crowd. Athletic.

Speaker 1 50, 60. Nothing else.
Intuitive from Finland. What are you talking about? He's fucking cranking on that.

Speaker 15 One dude was playing with his mouth.

Speaker 1 Jimi Hendrix?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Pulled it off. Shout out.

Speaker 1 Chuck Beard. Did it?

Speaker 15 Yeah, had me fooled.

Speaker 1 Walsh from the Eagles. Life's been good to me.
He has that two.

Speaker 1 And he's just drooling all over it.

Speaker 1 Fucking awesome. I've been to three of those concerts.
Every time he does it, I love it. Just so uncomfortable in his mouth.
Just shoved all

Speaker 1 two. It's stuck to the thing.

Speaker 1 And I spit it out to sing, and I'm right back in there. What a dog.
They do any of that in the air control. They do any of that?

Speaker 1 That would have won it. That would have won the entire thing.
Here's the,

Speaker 1 yep, here it is.

Speaker 1 What's going on, Debutch? Welcome to White America.

Speaker 15 Is that South Florida? Where is that?

Speaker 1 That is South Florida, I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, it might, we got a big equestrian.

Speaker 1 Who is in the crowd today? Good highness.

Speaker 7 White America.

Speaker 1 This is hobby horsing, is what they call it.

Speaker 1 So Branson in the back, that's a little practice in the back there.

Speaker 3 In the back, get the feel for the horse.

Speaker 1 Listen, whatever you want to compete, as long as people are competing, I'm happy. You know, if you're going to ride a fake fucking horse, be the best in the world at it.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. That was no jump.

Speaker 1 That was actually

Speaker 2 a bad horse. No jump.

Speaker 8 Was this dressage? Is that what?

Speaker 1 The jumping of it. See the handle you have on your horse?

Speaker 1 Can you take the quarterback?

Speaker 15 Tennessee walkers right there.

Speaker 1 Got a quarter horse two winner here, it seems like. This is unbelievable.

Speaker 8 Great win. You know what I do enjoy?

Speaker 8 The girl who stares at the judge while walking her pig with the stick?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 State fairs are a good time. State fairs are a good time.
You have raised this

Speaker 1 farm animal, whatever it is, all year to get a good score, a good grade, so that you can auction it off for a good amount of money. It's business, right? I think.

Speaker 1 If I'm understanding how state fairs and county fairs and all these things go with pigs and cows and bulls and everything, you name it. And you see the exact people that are doing it, the judges.

Speaker 1 So you're like right in front of them like, huh? Look at this fucking hog right here.

Speaker 1 They grease them all up, make their hair look good.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you, he's all with goats this year at the Indiana State Fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it happens with all these animals.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's crazy. It's like nine or ten kids.
This is the youth one. And there are these goats that they were like raised with.

Speaker 1 So they've had these same goats since they were like eight years old i think it's 4-h i think is what it's called also the competitive version of this for the kids they ride horses there's like uh growing flower you see some of these flowers at some of these state fairs do you know what these are okay no we're talking like sunflower seeds or sunflowers that are like fucking i'm like i don't know how that's not in gmo

Speaker 1 works but that that horse thing right there

Speaker 1 that's a tough look for us yeah it is that was american the words were in a different language on the wall so yeah different language that one wasn't America. That was not us?

Speaker 15 No, we don't do that.

Speaker 2 So the fake air guitar was in Finland is not America's family?

Speaker 15 No,

Speaker 15 this one was in America. It was the first time ever live.
I saw the pre-show.

Speaker 1 They had a kickoff show for the air. Kickoff show.

Speaker 1 It was a big deal. Big deal.

Speaker 15 First time ever live. First time they ever did it live.
There was a guy dressed up kind of like Evil Knivil that was like the MC, kind of getting people on and off, directing traffic. East.

Speaker 1 I love that. I love any time you get to watch a good host.

Speaker 1 Hosts are going to have to carry that too because there's no actual guitar stripes.

Speaker 1 right you know and i don't know how they get clearance on all the music they get clearance on all the music this particular thing yeah i didn't really hear any hits so that's what i was wondering the same thing okay that's probably tough that's what made it tough too i'm like if you're playing the hits i can kind of get it i can i can watch this if you're playing all the guitar hero songs yes which is basically what they are right you're filthy at that yeah i love guitar hero very good love that game grew up on guitar hero and rock band there's people that are so good at it that their fingers make so much they put it on muted and they're hitting it so hard that plastic sounds like a sounds like a yeah like somebody typing on a keyboard i got a couple of those

Speaker 3 like the joker

Speaker 3 i've probably played the joker on guitar hero what's that sound like 200

Speaker 1 band

Speaker 1 yeah yeah there you go

Speaker 1 and you're just

Speaker 1 yeah oh yeah crushing it you ever play guitar hero oh yeah what about the band one what was the band one rock band i did that back in the day that was fun trying to play the drums guitar hero World Tour also has all the instruments.

Speaker 3 You can play the drums and sing on that one as well.

Speaker 1 Because I wasn't good at the Guitar Hero. That one wasn't.
But whenever they did the band thing, and I could play the drums at 2:30, 3 a.m.

Speaker 1 in the living room, you know, after a good night out, or maybe just back this thing and

Speaker 1 sing my ass off.

Speaker 2 You a big arcade guy growing up?

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 2 Going to arcades?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 Not a lot of games. I wasn't really getting, you know, when this one started? The

Speaker 1 asteroids? The bricks, stacking the bricks.

Speaker 1 no no

Speaker 1 the bricks are bouncing back and forth like this and then you got to stop

Speaker 1 and then there's a next level bricks coming up like this and you got to stop them and there's you could have won uh i think i forget it was like a thousand dollar thing and obviously every time i went to stop but there was a summer i spent trying to play that game for hours at the monroeville mall which i don't think you can go to anymore people are just getting shot there

Speaker 2 malls are tough

Speaker 1 malls are dying netflix is buying all of them malls were awesome sorry what malls was like hang on netflix is buying all the abandoned malls in america and making them uh movie studios show studios sweet so there's a grocery store it's for sale right down the street here a lot of space okay

Speaker 1 i've thought to myself

Speaker 1 what we'll do with this thing it has to be something and there's multiple things hey

Speaker 1 netflix i think we could make that'd be so one quarter of this grocery think about how big these people are massive they're so big and it's just sitting there it's like right down the street i'm like there has to be six things we could put in here that could help out the entire society i don't know about a movie studio I don't know about a movie studio.

Speaker 1 Yeah, mall. Movie theaters.
A couple movie theaters potentially in some of it would be fun. Indoor putt-putt would be cool.

Speaker 15 There's a place. My kids play basketball.
An old Sears, I believe, it's gigantic. And they have like four or five full-size basketball courts.
They have basketball tournaments there every weekend.

Speaker 15 And then the whole other half is like an indoor, you know, trampoline type park with all of that stuff and arcades. They have volleyball.
It has everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Out of here, what was that?

Speaker 1 Megaplex.

Speaker 1 The Incrediplex.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, it is. Incrediplex.
That place, it turned into a log.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like a lumber facility or something.

Speaker 1 It used to have like six basketball courts inside of it. Practice field, indoor

Speaker 1 soccer on one side. I mean, it was a huge space.
Yeah, there was baseball in there. Everything was in there.
It was like massive space. I don't know what it would be like to heat and cool it all.

Speaker 1 But all these big spaces are kind of losing their luster. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 some of them, you're getting good use out of them. Like what AJ just mentioned, we got a couple of those popping up, too.
We got one, like, pick a ball to place.

Speaker 2 They got full-size basketball courts, batting cages, shooting, like shooting areas with like a bunch of those.

Speaker 2 We need those. What was the

Speaker 2 rebounder, honesty shooter back there? Shooting gun, like all these different areas.

Speaker 2 I know right after COVID, during COVID, probably like 2021, we were like starting to reserve the courts to go play like pickup basketball.

Speaker 2 You had to, you know, do the temperature check or whatever bullshit. But now, post that, volleyball tournaments, you know, whatever, pickleball tournaments, all type of shit.

Speaker 1 Were you ever worried that maybe you would exercise too much before they shot that thing at your forehead to see what your temperature was and you weren't going to be able to do something?

Speaker 1 It was very important just because you happened to have a little higher temperature at the moment, not really for the rest of your life.

Speaker 15 They weren't checking.

Speaker 1 They weren't checking.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

Speaker 15 My brother, I wanted to replace my brother, and he was 89 degrees on his forehead. And they're like, and they just sent him through.

Speaker 1 And he's like, what, am I dying? Like, what? What?

Speaker 15 They're like, just keep coming.

Speaker 1 It's a cold here. Don't think I need to warm up a little bit.
Yeah. What's the deal? That was a wild time.
How about when they were shoving that thing up her nose?

Speaker 1 I had to get up there.

Speaker 15 Remember, we had a car full of us for NXT. We got tested together.

Speaker 1 Six of us in a five-seat car. Somebody comes out in a hazmat suit to come snick things up our nose.
We're going to be okay. Everybody's good.
Yeah. That's why we're in here.
This is a safe car.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I had to get through a parking garage.

Speaker 1 There was a line. I had to get through a parking garage.
Hazmat suits on the testers. Wow.

Speaker 15 Every car behind us was one single person, just a driver.

Speaker 2 Check it up.

Speaker 1 Person with the mask on, with the glasses, the whole suit. Rolled down the window.
Here, we're going to need to test you.

Speaker 1 How many are you in there? Jeez, Louise.

Speaker 1 All right. Called other testers over to help out with the process.

Speaker 1 I thought we were going to end the entire operation right there. We passed, though, didn't we, board? We did.
That's because we remained socially distant.

Speaker 1 We didn't, we washed our hands. Yep, all the time.

Speaker 2 We ate and then put the mask right back.

Speaker 1 Free fry. Boom.
Boom. Boom.
Oh, see? Coffee. Boom.
Yeah, because if you accidentally just took it in,

Speaker 2 right there. Too much.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What you just did was

Speaker 1 get spit out everywhere. There's some real fear, brother.

Speaker 6 You wonder why nobody believes anything anymore.

Speaker 1 Gobs. That was what a crock of shit.

Speaker 1 What? What an absolute crocks?

Speaker 1 We don't know.

Speaker 1 It's somewhere in the middle obviously and i'm sure we'll find it all out yeah and that's what that's what the good thing about it all and uh what's going on up in canada yeah gumpy your leader stepping down not my leader and he's done brother okay all right i think uh i think gumpy has been very wide open on this particular case is there anybody that's saying he's because it sounded like the way the videos i was seeing of trudeau uh were coming out of ski resorts and uh jogging on trails tell you what you go to a place like the kootenies think you're gonna push those people around.

Speaker 6 That's not how Canada works, brother.

Speaker 1 Was that his last straw?

Speaker 6 That was it. He went to the fucking thought he was going to go skiing and take over that fucking hotel in the Kootenays.

Speaker 1 Holiday season?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Is that near Banff?

Speaker 6 Banff, no, Banff's in Calgary. Okay.
Banff is, if you're going to go somewhere in Canada, Whistler and Banff are beautiful snow mountains.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. People can just, world leaders can just shut things down.
Just like that. Almost happened to you.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. 15 hours.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 I'm going to be stuck in Los Angeles for 15 hours? You need to get to the airport right now.

Speaker 1 How am I walking? How am I...

Speaker 1 Oh, they're going to get a car to you. Okay.

Speaker 1 We're inside one of the most locked down. That into a dome.
It's like an entire campus, kind of. You know, it's kind of like a campus.
There's like...

Speaker 4 All that shit outside.

Speaker 1 Got the outdoor

Speaker 1 everything. Like, it is a full campus.
It is locked down, though. Very well done.
I think they should feel very proud of the building that they have. How nice everything is.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it's very brand new. The people that worked inside of it were very, I mean,

Speaker 1 it was very well done. But if your car is on the opposite side, it's going to be tough to get the amount of checkpoints that you got to get to get it to there,

Speaker 1 which is good and bad. But yeah, I thought we were stuck in Los Angeles because they just shut it down.
Hey, let's do a giveaway. I want to do a giveaway.
It's January 7th, the day after A.J.

Speaker 1 Hawk's birthday. Right.

Speaker 1 Debut.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, no. AP Tone.
Oh, yeah. AP Tone.
A big day.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He does have a big day.
Dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you already submit, or is that yesterday you had to submit?

Speaker 8 Yesterday was the all-pro teams.

Speaker 1 And then when are the awards?

Speaker 8 Tomorrow by five.

Speaker 1 Pressure's on. Good lord.
The heat is

Speaker 1 on.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 You win 30 people 500 bucks

Speaker 1 doing.

Speaker 8 Throwing a football at something.

Speaker 1 A football toss into that basketball hoop right over there? Bingo. I think that's an indicator that you're going to get it right.

Speaker 1 I think that's an indicator that you're going to get it right. Why don't you throw it into that basketball hoop over there, actually? Whatever hoop you want.

Speaker 1 I think this one, I think this one down here is better because we don't want you to hit our ping pong too. True, but all those hoops are looking like the Gulf of America to me right now.

Speaker 2 So I can roll it.

Speaker 1 We'll try to get that in there earlier.

Speaker 1 We pivoted away from it.

Speaker 1 The Gulf of America, I do believe, is

Speaker 1 the water down there in between Florida and Texas. Yep.

Speaker 2 I think. Oh, New Neil.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Old Nay. Makes sense, sense, right? Changing it back.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I am only

Speaker 1 American.

Speaker 15 He ripped his shirt off. That worked.
He started like that.

Speaker 1 People loved it. Netflix is raw.

Speaker 1 Man, he just stood in the pocket, didn't he? Absolutely. He did.

Speaker 2 He should have had that NWO shirt like under it just in case.

Speaker 1 Oh, planning? Yeah, just in case. Yeah.
The first one.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 This is what's going to be.

Speaker 1 it starts out with brothers and then ends with fuck you yeah body science jimmy hart oh he had those red shoes though he would have lost those sweet red shoes if he wore the nwo hulkster keep

Speaker 1 he's not losing them motherfuckers dangler he's spottable yeah size 38 that's hulk hogan that's that's hulk hogan um

Speaker 1 look loose get his arm loose conviction i'm just thinking of hulkster having to stand in the pocket Yeah, he got it. Just keep thinking of it.
Because he looked out at one point.

Speaker 1 It was all good. I don't know.
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 It's better than no reaction. It's better than nothing.
For when he gets into a crowd that

Speaker 3 are going to go way over.

Speaker 1 Ape shit for him. You're right.
And he is going to take it all in, brother.

Speaker 3 Made it through the worst part.

Speaker 4 Yeah, this week when he's at a Kroger selling, you know, great American beer.

Speaker 1 They're just going to be. It's real American beer.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but it's a great American beer as well.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 you're right i forgot because it is brewed in the united states of america obviously they're gonna mob him i'm excited to try it me too how do we think it is i think it's gonna be okay yeah i mean i think all those

Speaker 4 for the most part like those kind of new beers all taste somewhat similar but if i know hulkser he's got a special spin on it is there a light similar what similar as in shite what or real american beer as in shite they're serving it in hogan's hango brother

Speaker 1 okay when's karaoke he's at tonight they need to go crazy crazy for him tonight.

Speaker 3 Typically, Monday, so I bet they moved to the user's campaign.

Speaker 1 They need to go crazy for him whenever he fucking hits it tonight. Please, they will.

Speaker 1 17,000 people tell him

Speaker 1 there was people cheering for him. I would like it to be known.

Speaker 6 There was a pop at the start. Yeah, there was because it was so loud inside the stadium, I didn't hear the booze.

Speaker 1 I was cheering. Yeah, me too.
Hulks was in it, but holy shit.

Speaker 1 There are a couple others. Oh, we're not.

Speaker 1 He is of ill American.

Speaker 1 Gulf of America, where'd you hear that from? What was that all about?

Speaker 1 The Gulf of America.

Speaker 8 That's the name of it, though. Okay.
Our elected president changed the name of it.

Speaker 8 Yes, he did. We're also buying Greenland and Canada.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 possibly Mexico. I don't know.
Nah. There is.

Speaker 1 There you go. Okay, there it is.
It's official. It is official.
It is

Speaker 1 on the Google Maps and on the Apple Maps. We don't make the rules.
Okay, it is clear as day. Yeah, that settles it.
It's the name of it all.

Speaker 1 It's an awesome time to be alive, legitimately. Let's enjoy it all.
Let's also enjoy Ton Diggs

Speaker 1 asking the football gods if he is on the right track with this football for that hoop over there. If it goes in, 30 people win $500, AJ Hawk.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's throwing it. That was a sea.
Oh, my God. Hey, Throw that.
He had some conviction, though.

Speaker 1 He had some conviction on that. He spawned a bit last time.

Speaker 15 I'm not doing that. Usually it gets worse from here, though.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. And what he said is it's going to get better.
You can't hear him, obviously. Yeah, but he can't.
It's only going to get better. He's super positive.

Speaker 1 You told him that he needs to have conviction. Yes.
And he did with that particular throw right there. Maybe he can do it once again.
Connor, do you have any? What are you flipping off?

Speaker 1 AJ, he said it was only going to get worse. What? He said it was only going to get worse.
Yeah, he didn't say it was worse.

Speaker 15 No, I said it. No, history proves that it gets worse, usually.

Speaker 1 He said, history tells us that you're only going to to get worse right now. That's what he said.
Not you right now, just history.

Speaker 15 I don't believe it. I think he's getting better.

Speaker 1 Hey, nothing that happened yesterday determines what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Block out the noise.

Speaker 1 Forget about Hawk.

Speaker 3 Hawk's an asshole. He's 41 now.
He's a prick.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I turned 41 yesterday.

Speaker 1 30 people. Oh,

Speaker 1 there you go. There you go.
That one was almost walking a dog around the rim. Yeah.
Right down here.

Speaker 1 I don't know if there's enough air in that particular bowl, a little deflation up there in New England, maybe. 30 people.
Proved wrong. 500.
Oh, no.

Speaker 3 Proved not true by the way i saw a science guy that got a medal of freedom no no they they proved it was not true in 2015 they started taking the bullshit tests and they after the 2015 season said hey what happened in 2014 happens every single time a game gets played in cold weather so that was completely false yeah but bill nye he told me oh yeah i was right right to my face

Speaker 3 bill nye's a fucking mark Okay, he doesn't know shit.

Speaker 1 He's a puppet. Don't talk about Bill Nye like that.

Speaker 1 I love Bill Nye. He deserves more respect.

Speaker 1 But it's true. That's a deflated ball.

Speaker 3 Does it get cold in here sometimes?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 1 You're welcome. Science.
30 people.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was an ugly one.

Speaker 1 Maybe what AJ said was true. I don't like it, right? I don't love that that is the case.

Speaker 1 30 people, $500.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was the one.

Speaker 3 You got to throw a Duke though.

Speaker 1 AP.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. These are men's league awards.
And also, Cowboy Hat, not a problem. It's not hitting off.

Speaker 10 It is, because I'm normally more over the top.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I got to bring it out a little bit.
So now you're Phil Rivers in a little bit.

Speaker 1 But for the good of Phil Rivers, why don't you win 30 people?

Speaker 1 That was a good-looking ball, though. That's a good looking ball.
Good spin. I've been throwing a good ball.
Some of those aren't bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, close only counts in hand grenades, horseshoes,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 Adam Bone.

Speaker 1 That's true. Definitely.

Speaker 1 But not really. That one.

Speaker 1 Bocci Bocce. Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Bocce is what we're talking about. Well, you guys called the bocce, I told told you, Mickey Moss.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 2 I don't know what

Speaker 3 take a five-step drop.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 why don't you make it real like these AP votes are tomorrow? 30 people, $500. Oh, boy.
Oh,

Speaker 1 it was a good effort. It was a good effort out of our AP voter.
It's time for one last ball that has a dorsal fin on it. Oh,

Speaker 4 that's

Speaker 2 for Russ's job.

Speaker 6 This is for Steelers in the playoffs, brothers.

Speaker 1 Oh, mama. I'm in fear for my life from the long

Speaker 1 of the law.

Speaker 1 Boom, boom.

Speaker 1 Renegade is the song for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 One and done for the team from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Tones from a town with a good football team.

Speaker 1 Used to say great.

Speaker 1 Now everybody in pittsburgh singing the song saying it's just a good football team though i'm grateful the uh playoff song came out i didn't even listen to it geez so you're talking about boswell's too yeah

Speaker 1 wait the playoff song yeah can we pull that up like i didn't hear that the colts playoff song came out too don't be an asshole i don't know if you heard it duff flow was on duff field and he was the best part of duck game okay

Speaker 1 i want you to have a little respect for the fan of the year someone put together a bar-filled song about the colts and it oh oh i heard that. Yeah, that was a lot of time.
Good went ham. Good flow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there at the beginning, you think, oh, this is going to be kind of crop. Yeah.
But then it's like, no, you got two and a half, three minutes left here. And there it is.

Speaker 1 He's going, he's going in.

Speaker 1 Is that the Colts Crusade, I believe? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 2024-2025 Steeler fight song by Roger Wood. And this is to get the boys fired up, take on the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 2 Okay. Here we go.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Steelers.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 It's Burger's gone to the Super Bowl. Here we go.
To the Steelers. Black and gold.
Here we go. It's time to Pittsburgh's heart and soul.
Here we go. The Steeler Nation has the best fans.

Speaker 1 We are from Pittsburgh to six-time Super Bowl champs. Here we go.

Speaker 1 Come on, AJ. Here we go.

Speaker 1 That fucking bass one.

Speaker 1 Here we we go. Scalers.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 Head spurts going through the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Russell Wilson is ready to win.
Here we go. With Dickens Fryer, Muth, and Jalen Warren.
Here we go. We'll go to Nazi when we need a touchdown.

Speaker 1 And if you get in his ways, gonna knock you around.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 8 Really, the same song, the name's changed a little bit there.

Speaker 1 Here we go. That's not true.
Now, Roger Wood puts his own sauce on it. Here we go.
Stealers.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Fitz Park's got to the Super Bowl. Here we go.
Now the offense is ready to score. Here we go.
Well, and there's one thing we know for sure. Here we go.

Speaker 1 If we don't get it in the end zone, we'll get three points off of Boswell. So here we go.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 8 You get it? D-Bucks is judging this, but we've won six people.

Speaker 1 I'll let it see you.

Speaker 1 There's another minute, brother.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 2 We've got High Smith, Watton Hayward.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Patrick Elliott and Joey Jr.

Speaker 2 The other team won't gain any grind because the defense is gonna bring the steel curtain down.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Yes!

Speaker 1 Here we go. Defense.

Speaker 1 Defense! Deep back! Here we go! Minka's not gonna be out in pretty long.

Speaker 1 Terry Blanche, 38 seconds.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Woo!

Speaker 1 When we were growing up,

Speaker 8 they would play it over the loudspeaker in school.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whenever it came out,

Speaker 1 Roger Wood.

Speaker 3 Mink is gonna quit.

Speaker 1 Why? Because he's not a part of the defense part of that. He's a Pro Bowler.

Speaker 1 Is he? Yeah. He made a Pro Bowl?

Speaker 1 So his season was.

Speaker 1 What the hell Roger Woods I feel so much

Speaker 2 about DeFlo as soon as the organization gets on the flo level No, you don't the flow didn't know where he was that you know the lions over there listening to right now?

Speaker 2 Are y'all listening to Roger Wood?

Speaker 1 What's that? Yeah, you know is that song about the lions bingo?

Speaker 1 I challenge you

Speaker 1 I challenge you to find a better fight song for Jello Ball

Speaker 1 Oh, I heard that song. The new jell-o banger.
It is a heater.

Speaker 1 It is an actual heater. Now, I don't know if it's about the Lions, but maybe that'll motivate them.

Speaker 2 It's in their locker room.

Speaker 1 Roger Wood is not the only one in Pittsburgh that makes bangers, though. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm from the town with the great football team.

Speaker 1 Go on and get them Steelers. It's a whole other one.
You don't even know. There's Donnie Iris.
Brett Michaels. Brett Michaels.
Black and gold. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 Sorry, black and yellow. I don't know why.
Kind of changed that name.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Wiz, first person to ever call her gold yellow, but had to kind of go with it because it was such a heater.

Speaker 1 Black and yellow, back and yellow, back and yellow.

Speaker 3 It sounds better.

Speaker 1 It does, but not like in Pittsburgh, it's black and gold. Like, that was kind of the thing.
And then Wiz was like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I like what we're doing, but I can make a fucking heater with this, so let's go ahead and do that.

Speaker 1 Lo and behold, everybody was out there.

Speaker 2 They hate Mink out there.

Speaker 1 That was kind of what was being

Speaker 1 chatted about. Probos.
The Steelers,

Speaker 8 and he was surprised that he made it just because he hasn't been as splashy this year.

Speaker 8 The splash plays something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he asked asked another question more like four

Speaker 1 wasn't there like a rumor that he was uh they were mad at him or something like that that was uh that was disapproved it was someone else on the defense okay so it's not true uh it was definitely someone on the defense but it wasn't minka i don't think it was 39.

Speaker 1 i think he should have been saying it louder i think i think that with a counter on that should have been said a little bit louder the first i heard it was ever confirmed well no nobody actually said it was minka no but it was certainly else oh yeah inferred it was certainly inferred so i think if it wasn't him i think that should have been i think that should have we probably should have maybe been saying a little bit louder.

Speaker 8 It was another number.

Speaker 3 Assuming it was Minkatilla right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, bingo. That's exactly where I lived as well.
So I'm happy we did some journalism there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What number do you think it is?

Speaker 8 I know what number it is.

Speaker 1 What number? Whoa. Time.

Speaker 1 90?

Speaker 2 No. It's a new season now.

Speaker 8 It's not nearly as exciting as if it were.

Speaker 1 Are you trying to drive a wedge? Through the Pittsburgh Steelers?

Speaker 6 I think the team knows that guy stinks, though.

Speaker 1 That's why I don't think it's him.

Speaker 1 He's inferring?

Speaker 6 Yes. Like, if you know a guy stinks on your team, you're not going to call him out publicly.
Everybody knows he stinks.

Speaker 1 Or it's like a, hey, let's fucking kill him. This guy's a good guy.
Or it could have been a shot.

Speaker 8 Or it could have been a shot, which I think at the coaching staff, hey, why is this guy on the fucking field?

Speaker 1 All right. On that note, let's go ahead and get on out of here.
Got a big one tomorrow.

Speaker 7 Huge.

Speaker 1 Hope we'll get to the bottom of that. We need a board to get to the bottom of that.

Speaker 2 There's multiple guys.

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 2 Nah, it was multiple guys. There was one guy at the top of the list, but everybody can, you know, we've been in those meeting rooms where everybody can throw their hand up at certain times.

Speaker 2 But it's one guy that's throwing their hand up a little bit more. But it's a new season for Black and Gold.

Speaker 1 Nailed it. Boom.
Thank you, T-Butts. Yep.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have some breaking news out of Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 Antonio Pierce fired. Wow.
From the Las Vegas Raiders. Damn it.

Speaker 1 So that is

Speaker 1 one season. For Antonio Pierce as the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 1 Former player, obviously giant legend, interim head coach of the Raiders last year when he had so much success in the offseason.

Speaker 1 There is a big groundswell of support for Antonio Pierce to be the head coach of the Raiders. This year has not gone the way that they could have imagined it at all.

Speaker 1 Obviously, they end up trading away Devontae Adams. There's a lot of conversation about other people getting traded out of there.

Speaker 1 Tom Tolesco, who's the GM, I don't know if he certainly was the one that picked Antonio Pierce as his head coach. Was there a differing of opinion there? How do they go forward?

Speaker 1 Was Mark Davis thinking about this all along? When did this decision start coming to the forefront? So many questions that I assume will never get answered.

Speaker 1 But one season is all Antonio Pierce will be the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders for. Now, he obviously signed a guaranteed contract.
That's what coaches' contracts are. So did Gerard Mayo.

Speaker 1 So congrats to them on being professional golfers if they want going forward for the next four years or three years, however long their contract was.

Speaker 1 But yet another situation of a former player getting a head coaching job and then one season ownership and decision makers deciding, uh-uh, we ain't doing this. Dee, but I saw you throw your pen.

Speaker 1 You don't think one year is enough to develop a culture, make your team, get your guys, get everything on schedule? You don't think there's enough of a case study for Antonio Pierce here?

Speaker 2 No, I don't. He did, you know, he had a little bit more one year, obviously being in an interim role, but we saw what he had at quarterback.
And we know the same situation in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 If you don't hit that quarterback position, it's going to be tough. So to have one year, and then this is the opportunity where you have...

Speaker 2 position to actually go and get a quarterback and have a chance to kind of build your team, build your roster, and it's still still a certain culture.

Speaker 2 Obviously, we aren't in that building, so we don't know the ins and outs and how everything was going week to week. But I felt like they competed at least down the stretch for sure.
So, not shocked.

Speaker 2 This was one of the names that were floating around. But I hate when guys kind of get shafted like this, whereas one and done don't really get a real

Speaker 2 chance.

Speaker 1 Schefter has put out a summary of what has happened since 2021. When John Gruden resigned after his emails and only his emails were learned, of of a how many thousand, 70,000? Something absurd.

Speaker 1 Some insane amount obviously came to light through the Washington football team's investigation, allegedly. To Josh McDaniels, who was fired in 2023, to Pierce now in 2025.

Speaker 1 Obviously, a lot of turnover over there in Las Vegas, new city for the Raiders. And there's a lot of things happening quickly, trying to establish a culture.

Speaker 1 John Gruden's name is back into conversation about being an NFL coach. You know, obviously he's dominated on the NFL.
Did he and Mark Davis get along? I I think so, right?

Speaker 15 I thought so. I don't remember them having issues.

Speaker 1 I remember Mark Davis not being pumped about the entire situation when Gruden almost felt like he was forced. Remember, that was the...
Yeah, the backpacker. I'm going to get there, guys.

Speaker 1 I'll talk about this later. If John Gruden is getting interviews with other jobs, I wonder if Mark Davis is like, well, he could certainly potentially get an interview with the future.

Speaker 1 Well, he's talking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I don't know if Gruden would want to go back to the Raiders with how everything went in that thing. But if that ends up being a storyline that ends up happening here, it would be great.

Speaker 1 Rex Ryan back to the Jets. Potentially Gruden maybe back.

Speaker 1 Once again, this is not knowing Gruden at all or the Raiders at all or any plans. But I know Gruden's name has been mentioned with some teams in like conversations.

Speaker 1 It hasn't been listed on social media because I think some teams don't want to be the ones that are, you know,

Speaker 1 the first team to say we're bringing John Gruden back into the NFL. But people have said there's been interest in John Gruden.
It's like, it makes sense. The guy could fucking win.

Speaker 1 Like, that's what he did. And in the world that we're in right now, having to be able to communicate, having to be able to understand everything, it's like, that'd be an an insane situation.

Speaker 1 Not saying that's going to happen, but that would be an insane situation as the Raiders now are added to the list of teams that are looking for a new head coach, AJ Huck.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I would imagine the Raiders, I don't know if it's Gruden or not, but I would imagine. They have a couple guys in mind that they want to bring in to be the head coach.

Speaker 15 Like this, it's kind of weird timing. Did he end up talking to the media yesterday? I know Shefty said he was going to talk to the media.

Speaker 1 Yep, and he said he has not been told otherwise whenever he was asked if he's going to be back as the coach. This is just like when Heberflues was like, I'm preparing to go do it this weekend.

Speaker 1 He's fired 20 minutes later. And then now it's a day after his press conference.

Speaker 1 Antonio Pierce, Doug Peterson, Gerard Mayo, Matt Eberflues, Dennis Allen, Robert Sulla, all coaches that have been fired either this season or since the end of their seasons.

Speaker 1 Then obviously you look at the OC, DC, and general managers. There's a lot of spots to be filled now.

Speaker 1 Six total head coach openings, if you count what happened in season, seven to ten is normally the average, right? That is normally where we land. There's six right now.
Is this it?

Speaker 1 It's got to be, right? I

Speaker 1 McCarthy situation. Yeah,

Speaker 1 oh, yeah. Still got to get figured out.
Would that sound fired?

Speaker 2 Okay, yeah. So, I mean, yeah, seven, seven, eight, not like a year.
That's that's insane. I think you definitely need some times.

Speaker 2 There are situations where you can definitely see it and say, all right, made a mistake. Let's move forward.
I had some hot names out there. We definitely have the inside track to get one.

Speaker 2 And you were talking about Gruden. I think Gruden is one of those coaches who have a a lot of say on the personnel side, too.

Speaker 2 Because I believe when him and Mayott were together, I think he made the final call. So that would be something else that teams will have to sign off on if you bring a guy like that in.

Speaker 1 I'm fascinated by it all right now because what was Pierce and Mark Davis' conversations? When did

Speaker 1 Pierce think this was possible? You know, like at what point did he understand that the writing was on the wall? How long has Mark Davis felt like this?

Speaker 1 Is it since the chaos started middle of the season? Like, hey, this is not how we want to go about doing this, not how we thought.

Speaker 1 It's just like Gerard Mayo, like everybody's saying it was like the last month, basically, is when it really started heating up in this whole thing.

Speaker 1 But remember, you can win your fan base back over with just one hiring.

Speaker 1 Like, you can just win everybody back over with one hiring, especially if it's one that's viewed as winning the headline, winning the press conference. Maybe that's what Mark Davis is thinking, too.

Speaker 1 So they don't lose hope. If they get a quarterback,

Speaker 1 you know, why not? What if they bring in Shadur in Prime?

Speaker 3 This will be Brady's first big decision as a partial owner of the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Tom Brady is a mentor, right to Shador.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh.

Speaker 1 Has been for some years now.

Speaker 1 Owner of the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Is Coach Prime in Shador

Speaker 1 taking the Sanders show to Las Vegas?

Speaker 1 Who the fuck knows? We know nothing, dude. We know absolutely nothing.
That was what Schefter was saying yesterday when he was him hawing.

Speaker 1 It was this decision. Yeah.
I think he's out. Ah, but him ha ha ha.
He didn't know. He really didn't know.

Speaker 1 Because these owners, you know, I want to say they live a very different life than everybody else and have very different thoughts than everybody else, but they do. You know,

Speaker 1 they can make any decision they want. That's why I thought Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 1 could potentially have been an Indianapolis Colt because on draft night, Jim Mercy could have walked in there and been like, hey, excuse me, is there a Marvin Harrison? in this draft?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a cult. We're going to go get him.
That can happen at any time with any of these owners. So when did Mark Davis start thinking this was the case?

Speaker 1 And who does Tom Tolesco want to work alongside, you know, as the general manager? He's been around the league a long time. He was in Indianapolis.
I was very lucky for him.

Speaker 1 He's the one that brought me basically into the Indianapolis Colts world with Bill Poley and ended up drafting me. And then he goes to San Diego and then Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 And then now he's with the Raiders. It's like he's been around a long time.
A lot of coaches. Yeah.
A lot of coaches. He has a lot of networks in there.

Speaker 1 Who's he going to want and who's making a decision? We shall see. All right.
We'll be back tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Rand Carthon fired today.

Speaker 1 Antonio Pierce fired today.

Speaker 1 Anybody else?

Speaker 15 Justin Trudeau.

Speaker 1 A couple of

Speaker 1 he resigned.

Speaker 6 Resigned. Mark Davis also could have just flipped a coin.
Like, that's why Schefter probably didn't have any information.

Speaker 1 But did he use the coin? Or like did he

Speaker 6 play in like Game Boy and lost the game? Was like, all right, I'm done.

Speaker 1 Who are we talking about here? Mark Davis? Or he was in the middle of the year. Dunno Mark Davis arrived at the team facility within the last hour to deliver the news to Pierce.

Speaker 1 He finished 4-13 this last season. Just got there.
I can't fucking take it anymore. I'm getting up right now.
He's seen in his office. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 This is how I'm hurting his walls.

Speaker 1 Need you to go out in front of the building. See ya.
Turn off your fucking key follow.

Speaker 1 Think about him walking in there.

Speaker 1 I thought you were going to be much better. You're fucking fired.
See ya. Get out.
You're right. Within the last hour.
I mean, it's a quick conversation. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine him walking down with like, like ari

Speaker 1 ari gold did with a paintball gun or whatever antonio walks in crazy

Speaker 1 the out of my building ruin this place where was it kosher i'm gonna pay you for the next five years obviously for everybody too though all the assistants too like they know now hey we gotta look for another gig

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 coaching is a wild business brother it's crazy and shefter before he did the leaning in leaning out segment he he was like, we're talking about lives and jobs and families here.

Speaker 1 It's like, I understand we got to preface every conversation with that because it's very real.

Speaker 1 Like, when a player gets traded, nobody talks about like their families just getting uprooted from the community that they're in and having to move to another one and yada, yada, yada, everything like that.

Speaker 1 Coaches get compensated very, very, very, very well. But they all know it's part of the gig.
They all know that they're like military families, how much they move. You know, they are all around.

Speaker 1 But I mean, Mitt's here, and obviously

Speaker 1 Mitt's Mitt.

Speaker 1 But Mitt was in like four different towns within like 10 years because his dad was going to Atlanta, St. Louis, we're here, we're there.

Speaker 1 We're bang, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, because the coaching let, yeah, yeah, dog. I got culture, dude.
I'm fucking all over the place, you know? I got more hometowns than the rock.

Speaker 1 That's what he just said. That's what the Mitt said.
I could hear him say it. Good to meet.
Good for Mitt.

Speaker 4 These guys also all know like they're going to get another job. It's not like you get fired and then it's just like, well, I guess that's it for me.

Speaker 4 That doesn't fucking happen. All these guys are going to get a job elsewhere.

Speaker 1 Or you get on TV. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 there's enough jobs seemingly at this point.

Speaker 3 You wonder if any of them go to North Carolina. See if Bill makes a call because they're making it an NFL type.

Speaker 1 Bill, I'm very... How about him taking these pictures in high school? You seen these?

Speaker 1 Him and Lombo were in the back room of an equipment room taking a picture with a high school kid that was this tall.

Speaker 2 Call him Steve.

Speaker 1 Steve got a chance to see him in the back of the car yesterday. He's jacked up.
They're traveling around.

Speaker 2 He's jacked.

Speaker 1 Bill's got fucking full on.

Speaker 1 Steve's wearing a black t-shirt. yeah

Speaker 1 listen i'm sorry yeah it was car hard listen geez that kid not only there was like four or five of these guys and he was posting pictures they're all gigantic i don't think you know julius pepper i guess is from north carolina right yep is that accurate the way they're talking about north carolina talent like hey north carolina's got people you know like they got a lot of talent in state that hasn't stayed that's like south carolina is the same exact thing south carolina louisiana south carolina north carolina there's like hotbeds for great football players and i think all these schools are trying to turn it like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we're going to stay here.

Speaker 1 The amount of money North Carolina seemingly is spending, paying Bill, paying Lombo, paying the entire staff. They'll have the maximum amount of rev share, he said.

Speaker 1 They'll have maximum amount of NIL stuff. He's got, what, he's got a country club membership across the street.
I mean, there are the whole town is kind of going all in. They got great unis.

Speaker 1 Great. If Bill walks into your high school, though, I feel like that's a yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to do this or what?

Speaker 15 He brings Michael Jordan. He brings Jordan with him a couple times.
No, this guy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Jordan can own him as much money as they.

Speaker 1 It's like Uncle Phil Knight over there in Oregon. It is.

Speaker 1 That's a good vault to have. And then Larry Ellison now is with Michigan.

Speaker 1 That's a great one. He's 200-some billion.
I looked it up the other day. Yeah.
Really? 200-some billion. Oracles.

Speaker 1 He owns

Speaker 1 Lanai, Hawaii, the island.

Speaker 1 The whole fucking thing.

Speaker 1 And now he's back in Michigan Michigan with everything else that Michigan has?

Speaker 1 Texas, they had like three different collectives, right? Yeah. Yeah.
I think Texas had like three different collectives. Aha State, obviously, they got a couple people giving their money.

Speaker 1 And that's why Ken Kendrick

Speaker 1 is going to be the guy that's going to save West Virginia University. Oh, yeah, Ken.
Come on, Ken. We need you, Ken.
You've done good. Let's put West Virginia on the map there in that entirety.

Speaker 1 Because now they have the rev share and the salary cap, the NIL deals are still going to be very important.

Speaker 1 The thing about all the NIL deals is you're not going to be able to pay 10 million for one car dealership visit, though.

Speaker 1 They're all going to have to get regulated, but you can get like four, five, six deals. So as long as you have them, you're in a good spot.

Speaker 1 They just all have to get stamped by that jury or judge or whatever the fuck it is. I think we're going to a good spot in college ball.
Right, right, way.

Speaker 3 Might change in April.

Speaker 1 April 8th, 2025. Big ruling for college sports as a whole.
Big ruling for the future of sports as a whole.

Speaker 1 And how about college football being the clear number two sport in the United States of America? Oh, yeah. Not even, you know? NFL, college football, and then everything else.
WWE, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just WWE, I think, is probably the next. And then everybody else trying to catch up.
Football is a beautiful sport. We're lucky to talk about it every single day.

Speaker 1 We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do it for a living. Let's get the hell out of here.
We're back tomorrow. Aaron Rodgers is on tomorrow.
Okay. Nice.

Speaker 1 We have an answer. You'll give us an answer tomorrow.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You think?

Speaker 1 I retire on the spot. That was a question.
You think he knows?

Speaker 2 We know the answer. You tell me?

Speaker 15 If he's coming back or not? Well,

Speaker 15 that'd be a bit surprising if he tells us one way or the other.

Speaker 1 Well, he's attached to

Speaker 1 nothing.

Speaker 1 Open to everything. Bingo.

Speaker 1 It's a good mindset to have for everybody.

Speaker 7 It is.

Speaker 1 Have an open mind. You never know what's going to happen, you know?

Speaker 1 Don't be scared to listen to new ideas. Don't be scared to think, well, that's a fucking stupid idea.
And just keep your life moving.

Speaker 1 Because every once in a while, something beautiful is going to come through. And when it does, it could change your life forever.
It could change your perspective forever.

Speaker 1 And just like Jerry Jones said in that show,

Speaker 1 you don't want to be wishing to see a couple more sons come up

Speaker 1 you want to live every day like it's your last be a friend tell a friend something nice that might change your life we're going to stay together team on me team on three

Speaker 1 we love you all so much one two three team goodbye

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