‘Task’ Episode 3: Who’s the Mole?

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Rob, where do you want to start?

What did you think?

It's only fair if we're going to properly heat this thing.

Like, you got to give Pelfree some time to cook.

You got to give him some time to scream and pound his chest.

I thought we finally got some of that.

This is sort of like a handoff episode, in my opinion, giving his end of the plot line a lot more shrift this week.

Joanne, a biggest revelation?

Other than Freddy Frias and his teeth?

Oh, I think,

I mean, other than the confirmation of some of the things that we were talking about last week, I think the thing that has me most concerned, Bill, is we found out that this adorable child cannot swim.

And all I could think about was your theory about that kid.

And I got very nervous.

So, yeah.

Loves animals.

He's clearly going to maybe die in the forest in a, in a body of water and they're just laying breadcrumbs left and right.

The magnetism between Sam and the quarry has never been stronger.

Like he will be chasing a deer, an animal of some kind, and just fall straight off

straight off a cliff.

Oh, God.

But will he survive?

Will he survive because of everything that Maeve has taught him?

That's how to float.

Tune in to find out.

Interesting.

I mean, they have that child feeding watermelon to a chicken.

They're just like, this is the cutest child ever.

Be prepared to cry.

I'm worried about him.

I'm very worried.

I did get sent down a Google rabbit hole.

Can chicken eat watermelon?

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They also love it, which means, look, poor Gertie has been getting hounded by Sam all of these weeks, apparently, now refusing the watermelon.

She's so bothered by him.

Okay.

All right.

Wow.

I've already learned so much, and we're only three minutes in.

Chickens eat watermelons.

Sam can't swim.

I wrote down a bunch of things we found out.

Okay.

And I'm going to take them in order.

Because the first thing we found out, Robbie is getting revenge on the biker gang because they killed his brother and not only did not apologize for it, went to the funeral, shook his hand, looked him in the eye.

Let that motherfucker come and shake my hand.

I was waiting for it.

Pelfre was just on one here.

I'm fucking tired of that life.

He was just, this was one of his Emmy scenes, but we guessed a lot of this.

And they, you know, they basically told us this, but he finally came out and said it.

Like, I am robbing these houses because they killed my brother and they looked me in the eye and it was no big deal to them.

So now I'm getting my revenge.

I guess that my nitpick with this Rob,

wouldn't he be the number number one suspect?

Yeah.

If these drug houses were getting robbed, wouldn't they be like, hmm, I wonder who has something against us?

Maybe it's the guy whose brother we killed.

Especially when they're like, in the entire history of biker gang culture, only one time has there ever been infighting that led to a death of a Dark Hearts member.

It's like, yeah, maybe this is the one thing we should look at, especially now that they know that Cliff is involved.

Like, how is it not a neon sign pointing right back to Robbie?

What'd you think, Joe?

Yeah, that's a great question.

I get, I can only guess it's like hubris that they don't, they're underestimating Robbie and how he feels, stuff like that.

I don't know that they know that Cliff is connected.

How well do people know that Cliff is connected to Robbie?

That's the next connected step that, you know, if only Shelly and Ray paid closer attention when Cliff introduced Robbie and got his name right, maybe we'd be closer.

But Tom and the Task Schemer are zeroing in on like through Billy, the through Billy route, you know, and then they've got like the Cliff thread and those are going to converge on Robbie later in the season, I would guess.

So what do we think Robbie's last 10 years looked like before they started robbing these houses?

Just like an odd jobs guy, family man,

kind of stayed out of the business.

Do you think he dabbled in it?

They've given some clues, but I don't know, Rob, what do you think?

Just stayed out of it?

What is he?

It's, I mean, it seems like he was an honest to goodness actual garbage man based on the description, right?

Like he's just been working like whatever blue-collar job he can get.

I'm guessing he's been trying to stay out of it.

I'm guessing maybe he even tried to talk his brother out of it, of being involved in this kind of life in the first place.

And now, you know, now he's come and gun, like, like full swing, trying to get revenge.

But it's pretty clear he doesn't quite know what he's doing.

I think he's more careful than some other characters, which suits him and keeps him out of trouble in some cases.

But he's not well-versed in this world.

Well, we also met Robbie's dead brother's Gumar mistress, a fair partner, whatever you want to say.

She was the girlfriend or wife of

Jason, one of the lead biker guys.

Girlfriend, yeah.

Wait, I thought I thought it was his wife.

Well, look, like, who's to say what their circumstances are?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm going to say

bad career move, maybe having an affair with Jason's wife.

I'm going to recommend no

on that from a survival standpoint in a fucking biker gang.

I'm going to say that's a stayaway.

It's against the bylaws for sure.

Like, Dark Hearts HR definitely had to step in.

There was a whole thing.

It's a lot.

Yeah, there's a whole disclosure thing you have to go through.

Yeah, it's a lot.

But she says, I, you know, when they have this scene with Robbie and Cliff and her, she says, like, I loved him.

So this was, I, Joanna, did your flashback radar get on?

Are we getting, are we going backwards with these, with this threesome?

Maybe.

I don't know that we care enough about Erin.

Like,

I'll be curious to see if we care enough about her to get that flashback.

We did get a flashback in this episode, of course, to Tom's life.

We've been seeing a lot of Billy in photos, so it feels like it's going to be really important that we know what Billy looks like.

And whether that has anything to do with the footage of the shootout in Reading or something like that, I don't know.

But they really, really want us to know what Billy looks like.

So maybe we will need that information for a flashback.

Here's my question.

When they do meet with Erin, Cliff says that she has kind of gotten what she wanted.

And she's sort of walking away from the situation, at least their conversation.

What is it that she wanted?

Just for the Dark Hearts to get hit for them to suffer some financial loss?

Was that it?

She says Jason's, they're going to yank Jason out there.

True, she's in for the politics.

She's like, Perry's here.

They're going to take Jason out.

Whether that just means demoting him or if you get iced, if you're like no longer the head of your biker gang, I don't know, but she wants like retribution, it seems like to me.

And possibly some money for

the kids, for Billy.

Well,

here's a red flag.

I've learned I've been schooled in the Joanna Robinson School of IMDb sleuthing.

The girlfriend, whatever you want to call her, is played by Margarita Levieva.

Levieva?

Leviva.

I've been a longtime fan.

She had a dramatic second

season episode arc and How to Make It in America.

That's the one.

A great show that they just could never really land the plane on, but I watched every episode.

Dave Jacoby was his favorite show of all time.

I wish it had been on for five years, but she was really good in that.

And then,

and she's bounced around and been, she's definitely been in a bunch of stuff, but she was really good in Deuce or The Deuce, whatever that David Simon show was.

Yeah, I've always liked her, and I think she's a good actress.

And I just don't, I find it hard to believe she's just popping in and out for one scene by.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, she has things to do, right?

She's got her eye on Perry, talking to the bartender.

Like, she's, she's still in the mix, but I don't know if we care enough about, like, her internal life to get the sort of like flashback narrative.

But yeah, definitely.

We've had quite a year with her on House of R because she was an acolyte and daredevil, like, you know, in fairly short succession.

Um, and so to see her again, I was like, she's haunting me, absolutely.

But I think, I thought she was.

Are those TV shows?

They are.

They're shows covered by a podcast on your network.

Accolade and Daredevil?

Yeah, real shows that exist.

You could have made up a third one on that one, and I would be like, oh, she's on that too.

That's the new part of it.

Oh my God, the Pumas.

She's great in that.

She's a killer.

Yeah.

I like her, though.

I think she's good.

So I feel like there's more to come from her, Rob.

I feel like we get a flashback with her.

I mean, she at least is going to be keeping tabs on things in the way Joe described.

Like, she's important to the plot.

Like, one of the things that I'm really appreciating about this season so far is there's a version of this show where Robbie and Cliff are just either dumber or operating with less information.

And from the second you hear Freddie Freus' name kind of like being dropped into the mix, like, oh my God, they're just going to walk straight into this trap.

But they're ahead of the game in the same way that the Dark Hearts are ahead of the game.

And like the Task Force is the group that's still trying to get up to speed on what the hell is happening between any of these people.

But the dual rat, dual mole situation happening actually leads everybody to be pretty well informed.

Yeah, the double mole.

I can't remember that many shows or movies pulling this this off.

We talked about this a bit.

The departed is like

an Infernal Affairs, I guess, by using a fairly good.

Yeah, Infernal Affairs, of course.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's good.

I like that.

Well, you mentioned Freddy.

This was another thing we learned.

We were predicting we would get Freddy in episode three or episode four.

We got him almost right away in the third episode.

I think a lot of our predictions from the second podcast we did were pretty dead on.

Freddy comes in.

hates bikers, works with the biker gang, but hates bikers, tells this long,

really well-written monologue about when he moved to this country and he got his teeth kicked in by a couple bikers and they peed on him.

And

clearly dealing with these guys, but also kind of hates their guts.

This actor, so Elva Snolasko,

and he's been in a bunch of stuff.

Most of the stuff I don't really watch.

Where was he on the radar for you, Joe?

Because I thought he was fantastic in that scene.

I thought he was really good too.

I have seen him in a a few things as well.

He's like one of those guys where he shows up.

He's always going to be good, but you always want a little bit more for him.

And this feels like a good role in that regard.

I love,

I will say this episode of the three we've watched, this is maybe my least favorite, perhaps because we got less Robbie than we had before.

And I just think Tom Pelfrey is so good.

And also I'd say maybe one too many monologues.

You know, we get like Aaliyah's story.

We get Maeve talking talking about learning how to swim.

We get the teeth monologue.

You know, there's just like a, maybe one too many in this episode.

I would not ditch the teeth monologue, though.

It was incredibly good.

And what I really loved was how Freddy and Jason and Perry, the bikers, are exchanging pleasantries, right?

It's like, oh, your daughter's getting married.

Oh, do you like the guy?

Like, there's like, I love this in a mob story or a crime story or whatever, when like two, you know, competing families or groups or whatever meet up.

There's the initial pleasantry, and then we just devolve into like, Freddie's like, or I could piss on you.

What do you think of my terms?

Like, that's where we start and where we end.

I thought was really, really good.

I think one flows seamlessly into the other.

You know, wedding arrangements into potentially peeing on each other.

Like, the line is straight.

I did think monologue-wise, you guys are right, like, this is incredible.

It's well written.

It's well performed.

I thought this one.

was easily like the most TV thing in this show that has happened all season.

It felt like a pause, clear out, let the actor cook kind of monologue in a way that felt a little showy.

Not that I'm opposed to that, but did kind of stick out a little bit within a show that otherwise looked very polished.

Part of it to me was the way he was framed.

It was like a direct, just sort of like, here's this guy centered in the frame perfectly, going to talk directly at the camera about this thing that happened to him.

Whereas, you know, like Maeve or Aaliyah, like, that's a slightly different setup where it just seems a little bit more natural.

This is like, here's my audition monologue kind of moment, my self-tape for this role kind of setup.

So yeah.

Rob, would you have accepted the 50% or would you have kept negotiating?

I mean, I don't want to get peed on.

Are those the terms?

I think they thought he was just going to like say fine for 20.

I mean, at this point, it's all found money, right?

Like I think 50%, given their circumstances, and most importantly for them, finding the dudes who did this, that should be as valuable as anything, including kind of the score.

What was it?

It was 12 kilos, 12 birds that we're looking for.

Pure.

Pure.

We learned something very important in the in this whole exchange that there's some Ecuadorians from Boston.

I have a home team now to root for.

We can root for the Ecuadorians to get the fentanyl.

I was pumped.

Who knew they had a big drug scene that might be coming into Pennsylvania?

50% or I pull out my cock and piss all over your bearded faces.

I think this is what, I think this is what Rob Polinka said to, I have to.

It's what Rob Polenka said to nico rob jesus christ basketball joke sorry joe um i have a question i have a question yeah on a scale of one to like piss in the beard that makes it

worse way worse than yeah than anything else right especially those are

scrub it out lush beards you know those are those are beards that are catching soup on a regular basis and now now you're trying to pee into this beard it's it's a mess

well He has a new set of teeth and he wants 50%.

I was glad to get an explanation from Robbie as as to why he felt like he needed to move the drugs, why he couldn't just bury the drugs in the woods, which is what I want him to do.

And he's like, I need this money, so I guess I can go to Canada on a trucking route.

You know, we had a whole like Zaywatneo sort of conversation about like where we might go, which of course we're never going to make it there.

But

that's why he needs the money for that.

And

to a certain degree, you could ask yourself, can you do it without these millions of dollars?

But there's that sunk cost fallacy of like, I'm in it.

I've got to go all the way.

But at least he's justifying to himself, if not entirely to me, why he needs he's not just like running right now.

That's what I would do.

I would take the kids and Maeve and go and

never look back.

I would not try to move a bunch of drugs while the cops are looking for me and the bikers are looking for me at the same time.

Joe, you just don't have that entrepreneurial spirit.

No, it's true.

It's true.

Well,

I was going to say

the move is to just wait a year, right?

But this is when the show dips into its heat DNA.

The bank is worth the risk.

The bank wasn't worth the risk and heat.

You should have walked away.

They'd done enough of a job.

The heat was on them.

Maybe chill for a little while.

You already made some money.

There's no reason to rob the bank when the police is just waiting for you to do the next thing.

But this is why we love these shows and movies.

They have to do the thing you deep down don't want them to do.

They just have to.

Could you, because you have the kid and that's that's a problem yes could you take the kid not drown the kid but take the kid take the two boys and the girl and pack them in the car with the drugs go literally anywhere else and i feel like as soon as you're in a different state

you know you don't you might not even have to wait a year you could go out to like go out come out to the coast have a few laughs move some fentanyl we love fentanyl out here come on

lots of great places for fentanyl exactly i'm not going across state lines with 12 kilos of fentanyl that sounds like we're escalating my sentencing at that point.

Wow.

And a kidnapped boy?

Yeah.

Now, who doesn't have the entrepreneurial spirit wrong?

Yeah.

That's fair.

That's a really tough one.

I would have hung low.

The problem is when we get to later in the episode, when the police are at Cliff's house, now they know there's been some dots connected.

And so you have on top.

On top of like you have these drugs you can't move, the police are putting two and two together.

And

I don't know what you do at this point, but you probably just let the kid kind of resurface in a mall or something and just hope that because he's young enough, he's not going to be able to really describe what he remembers or do the classic action movie move where you're like, if you tell anybody one thing about this, we're killing you.

We're killing your family.

Like do some sort of threat that he would be afraid.

I think that's your only move with the kid.

Good luck.

I feel like Sam's like, well, they've got five chickens.

This is their name.

This is how much they prefer watermelon.

Sam knows way too much at this point.

If they dump Sam and leave, that's another option.

Dump Sam and the drugs and leave.

Dump his body?

No.

Joe, what are you doing?

Just leave him and then go to Canada.

Leave Sammy behind.

I would take him with me.

He's too cute.

On the scale of criminal desperation, where is on like a zero to 10, I'm going to smuggle myself to Canada?

Like, we're not really heating up yet because we're not talking about like non-extradition countries, I feel like, but at least at least a four or a five.

Yeah, this this is in the five to six range i also it's a it's a

it's a thing i really like and like escape from datamora is the best if we could just get through upstate new york and canada is like this finish line at the end we just get there like it's going to be so much easier in canada is it um canada mexico are the two yeah yeah

i'd be more mexico

I'd probably be more of a Canada guy if I'm trying to escape.

Okay.

Well, from there, it's a geographic game, right?

If you're, if you're trying to escape from here, or if you're Thelma and/or Louise,

you're trying to get to Mexico, but if you're up there in Pennsylvania, aren't you trying to get to Canada?

Yes.

And as far north as you can, that's where they're expecting you to go, though.

So you might want to zag and try to do Mexico or Cuba or somewhere weird.

Oh my God, I love the idea of Tom and the kids going to Cuba.

That's

season two.

Look out for it.

Feels like the late 80s in Cuba.

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I think Joe was lukewarm on this episode.

I don't think she wants to really come out and say it.

I've got some lukewarmness from you.

I wasn't down on it.

I was just sort of, I was really high in the first two, and I'm like medium high on this one.

I guess I'll be able to do that.

Well, they had to answer some of the things they laid out in the first two.

And now I feel like we are unencumbered the rest of the way.

Maybe.

I, you know, the mole hunt is interesting to me because we had talked about this a little bit last week.

Like, is there a mole in the task team and who might it be?

Now that we're in episode three and it's a big like, who is the mole question?

Now I'm wondering if there is no mole because a way in which the bikers could have found out about Cliff is we saw them go into Peaches' house, like fiancé's house and we don't know what the outcome of that was we don't know why the bikers are there and so the fact that Tom is now suspicious of Lizzie and Aalia and DeGrasso like makes me think that they're all innocent that's where I am by episode three you know it's too early They're also fainting pretty hard on the Grasso stuff right now.

Maybe it's just because we've been talking about it and kind of circling him as a candidate here, but his like conspicuous, oh, I have a mysterious meeting at 11:30 at night with somebody I'm not going to tell you about, but I need to leave.

His like, oh, I'm just going to show up late with the coffee, but I'm going to blame it on Wawa.

There's like a couple too many disappearances for him relative to the rest of the task force that feels pointed, feels in a way that's calling attention to itself.

What did you think then, if you have your eye on him, what did you think of the scene where he goes in with Tom to meet Jason and Perry?

Like in scrutinizing those interactions, did you see anything there that was a red flag for you?

This is the thing is it seems like either he and Jason are both very good actors.

The best actors pretending like they don't actually know each other, or I think there's door number three as well, which is whoever his contact is, it's not Jason.

Maybe he could always be liaisoning with some, you know, lower level dark heart, and then the information is going upstream.

But I agree with you, Joe, based on the timing, based on how hard they're leaning into the Grasso stuff right now, I do think whatever information they think is leaking is actually leaking out from somewhere else or just like a different channel.

Can I zag a little bit here?

Please, yeah.

What's the name of the guy at the tail end of the episode who's telling Ruffalo, give him the informant guy,

whoever that guy is?

Can't remember his name.

Who's basically like, you have a mole in the task force?

Yeah.

Maybe he's the mole.

I think he's the mole.

What if this is the old Swervorooni in episode five or six?

This is the guy who's actually pulling the strings here.

Can I zig to your zag?

Yeah.

Plimpton.

Another possibility.

She has one concern in this episode, and it's not looking like a smacked ass.

What is Martha Plimpton up to?

She's here in a flashback.

She's closer to Tom than anyone else.

She's got a bone to pick with a department.

I don't know.

Plimpton.

That, I think, would be the most disappointing swerve where it's like, I've been in this force for 28 years.

I've made Jack shit.

It was time for me to get mine.

We have one of those monologues.

Like, all right, this is really how we're ending.

I'm just a little suspicious of all the information of that middleman guy for sure why is he getting all of it what is he getting out of it um and if you're him and you're actually the person who's double dipping

wouldn't you make it so like you got them all in the on your task force do you i don't know these four people are pretty randomly mismatched they are randomly mismatched they're also kind of pulled into this through such different means right like we have characters like lizzy who are sort of kicked over to the task force because they fucked up their other job and then we have this sort of like handed off to ruffle it's it would be hard to worm your way in here on purpose i think yeah uh i agree that said the only character from the moment they find out about cliff the task force finds out about cliff the only character we see texting or calling anybody is lizzy who is ostensibly texting the address to grasso so could lizzie also text it drop it in the dark hearts group chat i think that's possible could could groso copy paste it into the dark hearts group chat also possible but i i'm still leaning towards it's not any of the three of them so you're saying aaliyah innocent there's no there there's no way i i just don't see it i don't see i don't see how you give aalia the big domestic violence speech and plot line and then make her the informant to the dark hearts i i don't see that my my my pushback on that is that of the three she's the one we least suspect right sure and lizzie

My counter to that is Lizzie is such a fuck-up in every way that she can't then also be the like she's the mole and she fucks up at everything.

She'd be too bad of a mole.

She's really, really clumsy at it.

Or that's why she's the mole because she's, she fucked up in some way and owes people something.

And certainly I think Tom will, she'll be Tom's number one suspect because he'll be like, why did she, she let them push me down the stairs.

Straight up just watched it happen.

But I think Lizzie's, I freeze, I freeze, I don't know what to do, I freeze has to pay off.

Either in a, she freezes and she dies, because that's in a different show, I would say, Uh, she talks about how much she freezes, so of course, she has to have a moment where she actually will pull the trigger on Grasso or something like that.

You know, like, um, she won't freeze up, um, or she freezes and she dies because that's you know, the kind of sick fuck that Brad and Obi can be.

So, yeah.

Um, just a little zag on this one.

So, her, that we have that scene in the bar after

the big,

you know, arrest, whatever you want to call it.

And then she's hanging out with our guy with the DJ.

They're having cigarettes and beers.

And then we see some,

I don't know, where were those guys from that were calling her Lizzie Stovetop?

They were Stadies, right?

Stadies, yeah.

Delco Street.

So there's some sort of,

I couldn't really read what was going on.

There was some sort of baggage with her that she was.

embarrassed by yeah and we don't know what it is yet so joanna what do you think it was okay so our screeners that we're watching do not have closed captions on them, right?

I, right.

Correct.

So, I turned on the Spanish subtitles and then translated them and then translated them.

Because the stady said something that I was like,

what exactly did you say here?

And he said, the barracks won't miss you.

And I don't know if he means like, because she sleeps around in the barracks, because just that's a way to say, we won't miss you.

Like, what a word choice.

The barracks won't miss you.

I was just like, what is the, because at first I was like, did he say your parents?

Is she a Nepo baby?

Are her parents criminals?

They called her

Lizzie Stovetop.

Well, her last name is Stover, I think.

Yeah.

Stovetop feels derogatory, Rob.

Oh, for sure.

My interpretation of all that was she also alludes to the fact that she has frozen before, and that's why she got sent to the task force.

She froze and fucked up in some capacity, got benched as an on-duty officer, and then was in the, like, basically had to stay home and hold down the fort back at the office i think that's where the lizzy stovetop comes from

like she was riding the desk and stovetop sits on the counter exotic okay that's my interpretation we'll see i mean maybe maybe the ups are even more extent like extenuous than that yeah i mean there was a piece of me wondering if there was some sort of sexual thing where there was like

she maybe a couple people in the barracks or they got the reputation and that's why they call her stovetop i don't know that if my shitty ex-husband slept with my best friend I might want to just be like, fuck it, and, you know, do whatever I want to do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If I'm Lizzie.

And I'll tell you the point.

All bets are off with Lizzie Stove, with Lizzie's stovetop.

I don't know what it means, and it clearly means something.

And there's some baggage we're going to find out about.

Maybe there's sexual stuff there.

Maybe there's not.

There's definitely some sexual stuff between her and DJ Grasanova.

Like she is, she is already trying to get after it.

And we have no, look, I respect it.

I respect the hustle.

I respect everything that she's after here.

Yeah, but he, something, something happened.

He didn't like something about the interaction.

He was immediately out.

His baggage alert went off and was, was wrapping it up in five seconds.

The way he was kind of

studying her and studying the back and forth.

And he was like, ooh.

My baggage alert's off.

I'm out.

Okay, so on the like, is he a mole?

Is he turned off by this, whatever front?

Can we take a moment to understand his like toast that he gives?

Yes.

Where he toasts her and he and he calls out the stadies who came in and were and were shitty to her.

And then he has a weird, like, kind of

softball ACAB moment inside of that speech, too.

Like, it was a really weird.

Yeah.

I was like, what is

the tenor of the bar?

He's like, it's hard to be a cop.

And then a bunch of people boo him, but I was like, but aren't you in a cop bar?

Like, I don't, I didn't really understand what it was.

She seemed like she appreciated it, though.

He did, definitely.

He kind of, he, you know, he kind of

jumped ship on whatever was happening on the table and then maybe felt bad and was like, I gotta.

I will say

Allison Oliver, who's playing Lizzie, I think she's really good.

And like that, that look she gives him of like, oh my God, someone stood up for me.

Yeah.

I thought was really, really good.

And it's going to make it all the sad, sadder when they have to draw guns on each other at some point.

It really is.

I will say this.

If I was in a bar, cop bar or otherwise, and someone got up and made a speech about the one good cop and wanting me to toast them.

Like, how is that not a this fucking guy kind of moment?

Like, I would resent the person being toasted even more than if they had ever mentioned it.

Yeah.

I think it just, he paints a bigger target on her back.

I'm clearing that.

So, yeah.

Well, going backwards, we learn Ruffalo's team.

I'm just calling him Ruffalo.

I know his name's Tom, but I just,

I can't help it.

Is connecting Jason's gang with the murder.

So they go to the bar and they do the, you got it, Leak.

You know it.

We know it.

I'm just saying if anyone says that on any show.

But near the end, the biker gang says, we got better ways to find Sam that don't involve either of you.

What does that mean, Rob?

Beat Peach's fiancé's dad to death or near death and extract some information?

Like, why bother with the legal red tape?

Why bother with the task force with the baby feds?

You know, like these, these are professionals in their own right, and clearly they're very plugged in on a lot of different stuff.

Why, why couldn't they get to the bottom of all this?

A little vigilante justice?

Absolutely.

Okay.

What'd you think think of that, Sanjo?

Yeah, the biker code.

I think it's interesting.

I want to spend more time with Jason as a person.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, I need a Jason monologue.

What's Jason's deal?

I need to know more.

He's a middle manager.

I guess so.

I would love to know more about like how he really feels about Aaron.

What drove him to beat a man to death who was ostensibly a friend of his.

I mean, I know why he did it, but I need to like understand who he is, like that he's that kind of guy.

Obviously, couldn't make the, couldn't make the wife's toes curl like Billy.

Like Billy could.

Wow.

Look, Billy can cook.

We've all said that about Billy.

Billy will throw you into the deep end in every way possible.

I did enjoy from the sequence the Perry and Tom kind of

glower down.

It was good.

I'm in for it.

You know, obviously we haven't gotten the big, like Tom and Robbie meet at the equivalent of a diner moment yet, and I'm sure we will in some form or fashion.

But in the meantime, Tom and Perry also pretty good foils for each other.

Yeah, this is, that's a good prediction.

We are definitely getting the

Jason Robbie one-on-one something at some point.

Oh, Jason, Robbie, yeah.

Yeah, we're getting the two of them

something with the brother.

There will be a show, a monologue showdown in Graysburg.

He probably worked on

in his log cabin in Colorado or wherever he is.

Bill, can I ask you a Sopranos question?

Yeah.

When Robbie is talking about his legacy, right, Maeve's like, your legacy is going to be, you know, you're a kidnapper, blah, blah, blah, your kids.

And he's like, no, that's not my legacy.

That's not my legacy.

This is something that like we've seen across tons of crime shows.

You know, this is something that Walter White thinks about all the time.

This is like such a crime staple of like, what is my legacy?

Or, you know, I don't know if you've heard of this show, but there's a show called Game of Thrones where people talk about why we do things for our legacy.

Is this a big concern for Tony Soprano as well?

Is this just like a hallmark of that era of prestige television?

No, ironically, Tony never talked about legacy.

Yeah, no, he was in deep denial about everything about his life.

You know, he positioned himself as a family man.

I'm doing this all for my family.

But it was really a cold-blooded murderer.

But I think that's what Robbie means by legacy, right?

This is for, I got to do this for my kids.

But similar to Walter White in Breaking Bad, and I don't know about Tony Soprano, but like that Walt is like, I'm doing it for my family.

I'm doing it for my family.

I'm doing it for my family.

And then spoilers for vague spoilers for Breaking Bad at the end, Walt has to be like, actually, I did it because I liked it and I did it for myself.

So is that the kind of person that's going to be a good person?

That's usually the revelation.

I mean, Heat does this too when

De Niro's Macaulay character is at the restaurant with everybody and everybody's got somebody except him.

And he's watching all the couples interact and then realizes like, ah, the librarian, maybe that could be my person.

But he really is just addicted to the action.

So when the moment comes when he can get away with her, he's still like, I got to kill Wingro.

I think what happens with all these shows is the guy eventually is addicted more to the action

than the family and the friendships, all that stuff.

They really just care about the action.

They can deny it all they want, but that's who they are.

They don't want the regular type life.

Like they don't want the year in the ball games, you know.

I,

but I think what's a tribute to this show is, and really a tribute to Pelfree, like I, I do believe part of it.

I do believe at least that he believes it.

And he certainly does seem to be doing a lot for the sake of his kids and certainly for the sake of this kid he has just kind of stumbled upon and now taken custodianship of through kidnapping.

Here's the thing that's most compelling to me inside of an episode that I was not my favorite of the three, but still good.

Like that,

what's going to happen, we're not that

interested in at the end of the day, because we know what's going to happen, right?

He's not making it to Canada.

Like, we know things are going bad for Robbie.

So, then, thinking a lot about what Bill said about this poor kid, Sammy, who can't swim, I'm like, is the question then like,

can Robbie get out of this at least with his like humanity intact?

Like, even if he doesn't survive, they've gone, they've gone so hard on making us like Robbie.

Like, even in that interaction that he has with Ray and Shelly, when Ray is talking about like his son having his head up his girlfriend's shirt, and he's like, save some for your old man.

And Robbie like wants to vomit.

You know, Robbie's like the criminal, the Robin Hood, the criminal with the heart of gold sort of thing.

So, like, but will he be cornered enough and desperate enough that he hurts a kid?

We've watched him gently stroke the faces of his children, like, in so many montages in this show.

So that's the thing that I'm worried about: is like, can Robbie, even if he can't survive this, can he, can his humanity survive the pressures that he's going to feel from all sides?

You know, I think Joe's a harsh grader on this episode.

Your expectations were too high.

I don't know.

Well, one and two did set a high bar.

Yeah.

I mean, because I thought there was a lot of good stuff in this episode, and we didn't even talk yet about

the chase scene and the house.

And

I guess we got to go backwards, though, because we meet Cliff's drug buddy, Ray,

who's

AJ Cross with Danny Crawford.

Like, I guess he's a basketball ref, but he's also a domestic abuser

and one of the scariest looking face/slash character people we've ever had on one of these shows.

Like,

oh, yeah.

Clearly, not anybody who could be anything other than a bad guy and a criminal.

Just a walk-in perp walk.

Like, I don't feel bad for him, but like, look, he's evocative for exactly that reason.

Yeah.

Can't, he tells them they can't move it to Frius because there's going to be too much heat on it.

They've got to come up with another direction.

But really,

you know, his frazzled wife is listening in the kitchen.

Yeah.

And it's a good zag by the show because you're thinking, oh, she's listening.

Maybe she's going to go to the cops.

She hates this guy.

No, they're just going to rob Cliff's house that night.

And they have the Scooby-Doo reveal rob after we have this two-chain.

It's like, who are these two?

And then we pull the mask and it's her.

I was surprised.

Maybe I'm slipping.

I don't know.

When I saw

the second perp take off, I was like, this is rec league ref stamina.

You know, like this, this looks like a guy who's been running up and down the court, just ready to whistle baseline to baseline.

But also, like, who else could it be?

You know, it would either be like nameless, faceless bikers who we've kind of met.

or these two.

Like, it did seem like this is something they would do, turn around and try to rob Cliff and steal the drugs.

At least I'm slipping.

At least that Ray would do.

Maybe not Shelly, Shelly, but at least Ray.

As two

basketball aficionados on this podcast, can I ask you, how would you rate Aaliyah's jump skills

versus Anthony's?

They both do a jump tackle.

Now, I know jump tackle is a football thing and not a basketball thing, but still

getting air is part of the thing.

So,

how did these two leaps rate for you between these two cops?

I thought DJ Grass and Oba seemed very athletic.

Yeah.

Yeah, I was impressed by him.

And Aaliyah, like, had

that lady turned around and handcuffed in five seconds.

So I thought she was good.

Lizzie seems like uncoordinated,

frazzled, can

freezes in the moment of action.

Like that's somebody you want to be going into a scary place with as your partner.

Absolutely not.

I do think Grasanova, that almost was more of like a free safety blind side kind of hit.

Yeah, that was a football move.

Or rugby.

He really kind of, you know, took the back alley, came around the whole thing, caught him by surprise.

It was an impressive maneuver, though, I have to say.

Well, this was, this scene had my least favorite part of the episode.

Rufflo goes tumbling down the stairs.

It's like, oh, boy,

just like the wife.

Yeah.

And then,

um, and is obviously a little concussed.

And then I'm like, don't, don't do the thing where he sees this wife

the stairs.

And it's like, oh, they did it.

That was the one thing I really didn't like in this episode.

I just thought it was corny.

Yeah.

Joe agrees.

Yeah.

I mean, Joe gave this episode a D-minus.

Absolutely not true.

Really down on

OK.

So Ghost Wife on the Stairs, not your fave.

How do you feel about Flashback Wife?

Well, we knew it was coming because we, because IMDb Salute Joe called it early, the overqualified flashback actress.

So we know we're getting it.

That was another thing we learned, by the way.

We got to go backwards, even though Ruffalo looks exactly the same as he does eight years, 10 years later, whatever it is.

Minus the beard.

Yeah.

You know,

when we have these domestic flashbacks, I just hope that if something terrible happens to me, my wife has the same fuzzy memories of just us in the kitchen laughing and just being in complete love.

I just hope that's how, I just that's how I hope how it's, I'm remembered.

Just being around the kitchen, making some scrambled eggs, just being in love.

That'd be great.

It's all any of us can hope for.

Just again, a very fuzzy, warmly tinted flashback of either that or like running on a beach with like somehow sheets or capes dangling around us.

You know, the full dead dog wife.

Dead, dead dog wife.

We never have the scene where they're like, where's the remote?

I thought you had it.

And just people yelling at each other for no reason.

Well, if the Phillies Cup is any indication, that may also be coming.

You know,

this has been a real mixed bag for Ruffalo over the years.

So anyway,

I didn't love the visage of the wife, but I didn't mind the flashback scene.

We knew it was coming.

I have more questions.

Yeah.

Like what?

Well, so that seemed like eight, 10 years earlier, seven, like how old do you think those kids were that they showed the two adopted kids at the, in the moment?

They seemed like teenagers, 10 to 13 range.

Yeah.

Ethan older, right, than Emily.

Yeah.

And he's, he's being tried as an adult.

So he's at least, he at least has to be 18.

She's like seven, eight years ago.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So he's adopting the kids.

The priest is coming in.

He's clearly out of whatever he was doing religiously at that point and he's somewhere in but um still seemed a little like beaten down but i think ruffalo maybe could shake who he is now and the uh but i just i was just curious by it about the timeline yeah we should do some we should do some math yeah something that i want to flag also about sarah

uh his other daughter,

is that we get the text messages with good old Andy back in Chicago.

Andy, read the room.

And Andy's like, when can we talk about us?

And Sarah's like, 12 never, please.

Your wife just went home to deal with the sentencing of her mother's killer, who's also her brother.

And you're like, can you pay some attention to me, please?

Not that Sarah needed

more motivation to be as frustrated as she was in last week's episode, but if she's dealing with all of this with her new kid, with all this blah, blah, and

a fractured marriage waiting for her back in Chicago on top of it, this is just a lot for Sarah to juggle.

So no wonder she's doing a heavy pour

on the on the Cabernet Sauvignon.

Oh, I was going to say, you left out she's dealing with holding the biggest wine glass in Jordan I've ever seen.

I was trying to think, did anyone in Big Little Lies have more wine in a glass?

Oh, it was.

Because that was always the gold standard of just like...

No, I think it's like a double pour.

Like you would, in a restaurant, you would pay twice as much.

The Tammy Taylor pour.

Tammy Taylor, the Tammy Taylor Chardonnay, you know.

Oh, that's a good one.

Or the Cersei Lannister pour.

You know, it's like, there's really a long lineage lineage of the heavy wine pour up to the brim.

But I love what I loved what they did with Sarah last week in terms of her lashing out at the dinner table.

I also love her feeling terrible about it and not quite walking it back, but explaining a little bit more about what she had seen with her mom and the ways that their lives had sort of, even before anything violent happened, devolved and changed shape as a result of everything that Ethan was going through.

And it's like, of course, Emily has to walk up at the exact wrong time to hear like the one message she dreads hearing.

But I thought all of the stuff between Sarah and Tom was really lights out.

Joe, maybe that's a spin-off pod for us because you guys created that hook show

about like when the red episode to watch to get sucked into a show.

Wine pours.

Heavy pour.

Like do like episode three, the mom from the OC near the end of episode, near the end of season one, when all of a sudden the Chardonnay was like a fucking trough.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you're like, oh, boy, here comes the alcohol plot.

I've always enjoyed those, though.

Yeah.

When all is, there'll be some mom or some friend.

And once, once the wine is over, like two-thirds filled with the giant Cabernet.

I like when they put the white in the giant Cabernet glass, which is a no-no, but it's like they just want to get as much wine as possible on the screen.

Just to deliver shrinking red.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I really, I feel, yes, the fact that Sarah is pounding that much red wine is an expert level, as far as I'm concerned.

And what I just heard was a pitch for next summer when Prestige TV goes into a lull, we're going to do the heavy poor podcast.

Heavy poor bracket.

Coming soon to the Ringer Podcast Network.

My two passions are wine pours in a show and terrible sports scenes

when it's like the worst possible high school girls soccer scene.

I would watch footage of that all the time.

Speaking of this family, we predicted this too.

We had a lot of good predictions in episode two.

We predicted we would meet the murdering adopted son who's in jail, and we did.

The other sister went.

I thought this was kind of a blah scene.

I don't really know what to take from it.

Did you take away anything, Rob?

Sounds like Bill's kind of lukewarm on this scene.

That was my other scene I didn't like.

What did you think, Rob?

I thought it was fine.

I thought Emily

was serviceable.

You know, we needed to see him at some point.

We see Emily trying her damnedest.

to be positive in this interaction, basically asking him if he's made any friends as if this were the first week of kindergarten.

Yeah, I don't know what else you can get out of here other than if it were just like a really standout performance, but I'm guessing Ethan's moments will be later to the extent that we get them.

Like he will have some fireworks at some point, but this is just introducing us to that character.

It was fine.

He's no basketball ref.

No asshole, Ray.

Do you think the basketball reaction is?

Listen, Ray, it's going to take you 15 minutes to get there, and that's if traffic's good.

Come on.

That guy is a basketball ref clearly scrapping with the players after a call i would think threatening to fight everybody yeah no way he's like you think that was a real call justice for shelly and her two teenage sons i hope they're doing okay

well one of them is doing okay in the basement in some sense of that word absolutely and then the last thing we learned the ending when the informant says brandon simons of the dark hearts

was casing Cliff's house later that night post-arrest,

which means the dark hearts had information coming from Ruffalo's side.

How tight is your circle on this?

And then he goes, my advice, suspect everyone.

Yeah, including you, fuckface.

You're also a suspect.

I just thought that was such an interesting like flash to all, like he's telling, he's going through the members of the task force, then flashing to all of them.

I'm like, are we in, this is my concern.

Yeah.

My concern is that we are in the state.

And I've heard this from people who make television, that the note they get from the network all the time is that you have to reiterate and reiterate things in case people are looking at their phones or looking at their iPads or whatever while your show is on.

So, do you think this moment where there's like, well, here they are, it's Aaliyah, Lizzie, Anthony, this is what they look like.

Just so you know, these are our suspects.

Like, I thought that was a really weird moment inside of this episode.

There are three people.

Like, we can handle it.

I promise.

We could do it.

Well, they, I think you made the right call, though.

If it is Aaliyah.

They're trying to throw us off the scent with the domestic violence

little monologue about her history and be like, oh man, I like this lady.

And now they're going to be a little bit more.

I thought her delivery.

That was a really good monologue.

Definitely.

I thought that was really good.

This is a question worth asking for a show like this.

If you're one of these supporting characters who is maybe more like fifth, sixth, seventh on the bill, how many character traits will a show give you?

Are they willing to give you two or even, God forbid, three different character traits?

And if so, then you might be the mole.

Are you willing to have a whole DJ background from college?

Okay.

With a with a moniker.

Okay.

So, well, actually, I think Lizzie wins, right?

Because it's DJ is suspiciously absent sometimes.

Yep.

With Aaliyah, it's the domestic violence background and is better at her job than anyone else on the task.

Well, and also, IMDb slew Joanna was suspicious of her just because it was an overqualified actress for the part.

She's very good.

They're all three of them are good, though.

They're good.

Lizzie has the cheating ex-husband, all the stuff with the stadies, and the I-Freeze, you know, sort of stuff.

So like, that's a lot, that's a lot on her plate.

I do think if it does end up being Grasso,

it does seem like Lizzie will be the one to confront him at that point, based on everything we have set up with her freezing in those moments.

And I think not only will she shoot him if it comes to that, it will be because of some advice he gave her coming full circle.

Like it, I think.

I feel like that's a different show.

Maybe it is a different show.

I feel you're right.

Like that's a classic move, but I feel like what Mayor of East Town taught me was:

don't think Evan Peters will be okay because he won't.

He will not be.

Well, again, I think the kids may not be all right, but somebody's going to have to get a win somewhere.

Well, we had three awesome scenes in this.

The first scene with Palfrey and Maeve.

Yes.

The whole chase not knowing and thinking somebody might get shot.

I enjoyed that.

And then them basically eking out the convention from our basketball ref and his embattled wife.

I liked how they went back and forth on that.

And then the best part, obviously, was that he had an incredible

flyer's iPhone protector.

Huge sports fan, this guy.

Completely.

But

I thought that whole, the way they kind of played them against off of each other, I thought was really good.

And then Rufflo screws him over at the end.

It's like, no, no, you're actually still going to jail.

Fuck you, dude.

I have a question for Rob, who is, I think, of the three of us, the biggest foodie on this podcast.

Is it a red flag or a green flag that Lizzie likes the peach rings with the Taheen?

Like, how do you feel about that?

This is the greenest flag thing she's done on the show.

Okay.

Yeah.

Everything else she does worries me about just the state of her life.

Yeah.

Peach rings, A plus.

Peach Rings with Taheen.

Come on.

That sounds incredible.

I honestly have never had one with Taheen, but now

I would love the shipment to arrive at my door.

Okay.

The other thing we learned, I forgot to mention this, was

Ruffalo's character made the decision, I don't want my son to live here.

Yeah,

and sadly, his uh really screwed up younger daughter heard this because she was parking her bike.

But, um, so we've we've gone from episode two to episode three of like, he's like, I finally arrived at this point, I don't want this guy in my house, he killed my wife.

Yeah, here's here's my note: if you're um a spiraling shit show alcoholic, but want to be a good dad, uh, if you have a covered porch, I would say don't have key conversations there, it's a great thing, don't, don't, Don't snooze your booze off there.

Like just, I would, I would use some closed doors for any of these things.

Our guy is not only a total mess, he has just suffered a major concussion and done the one thing that they said do not do, which is look, look, the Phillies Cup does refill itself.

He's just going to guzzle it down.

It's the way it's going to go, but he's not in the clearest state of mind at this particular moment.

Yeah, this instance, I could maybe forgive him, but like all the other booze naps he's taken on that porch while he's birdwatching that his daughter has to witness.

I don't know.

I also think, look, as far as the accents on the show go.

Oh, I had this.

Yeah.

Let's see.

There's a lot of stuff happening.

Some I appreciate, some I don't.

I think Warder Ice obviously gets a lot of play anytime, anytime the Philly and the Delco accents are coming in.

I just want to give a little bit of a salute, a lot of doorder in this episode, a lot of further of a doorder.

And I, I'm enjoying it all.

I'm enjoying the full range of accent emotion.

Who do you think is the best accent of anyone on the show right now?

Just one pick.

I mean, Ruffalo's isn't precise.

And so it's hard to say that his is like nailing it because the degree of difficulty just isn't as high.

I actually like Lizzie's.

I like Lizzie's too.

Yeah, I was going to say Lizzie.

I think it's Lizzie or Maeve.

I think Maeve is really good.

Maeve is really good.

Maeve is really good.

Pennsylvania, you do the instead of home, you go him.

Like you.

Lizzie, that actress.

That actress is Irish, and the actress that plays Maeve is English.

So I think this is awesome.

Don't ruin just for us, Joe.

Jesus.

No, no, no.

I just think it's interesting.

I think they're doing it.

We already know we have no American actors.

You've made the point.

We're aware.

We have no American actors under 40 except Shalom A.

He's the only one.

There's a buffalo of Pelfree out here holding it down.

And Austin Butler.

He's from America, right?

Yeah, he is.

He is from America.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

I'm glad he's from here.

He's from somewhere.

You know, is it America?

Today it is.

We'll see a couple weeks ago.

And Margaret Kuali, I'm pretty sure she's from here.

We love her.

Yeah.

Thank God.

Quote of the episode: Maeve saying to Sam:

when you get older, you get to choose what you take from your parents and what you leave behind.

Really would be

like a searing high school yearbook quote.

It's better than like having someone.

It's a direct repudiation of your parents, if that's your yearbook quote.

I really liked that scene with Maeve

and Sam in the water.

I was, again, perturbed by the beautiful image of her hand holding him up and wondering if later we're going to see a hand holding him down.

What do we have for the odds of Sam making it?

I said it was over under six and a half episodes and Joe recoiled in horror.

Rob kind of enjoyed it.

Okay.

I think the under is moved up to like almost two to one, two to one favorite.

I don't think he makes it to the end of this.

I'm hoping I'm

protecting Sam.

Sam has to make it.

Someone has to protect him.

But I feel like someone's going to try.

See, I'm less worried about this someone going to hold him under the water, Joe, and more are we going to see someone pulling his body out of the quarry in a similar sort of lifting fashion?

It's looking more and more dangerous for, I mean, for him, obviously, for most of these characters who are in Robbie's orbit.

I'm perpetually worried for Maeve, the character who I want as a watcher of a TV show to help Robbie and to be like involved in this family, but so clearly needs to get the fuck out of there to Canada or literally anywhere else, but just won't do it.

In terms of survival, though, isn't Cliff the person who who has the loudest ticking clock on him right now?

Is it Cliff or is it Diff Mauard?

He can go undercover at any moment.

It's true.

Yeah, if we're going who's going to die rankings,

Cliff is probably the favorite.

I think Sam, but it probably comes later in this season.

We're going to lose somebody from the biker gang in the next two episodes.

And then I think one of the three in the task force underneath Ruffalo.

Oh, yeah.

I think...

I would not be surprised.

One of those three is dying, and it's probably Lizzie from a freeze.

And if I had to make a prediction, which I'm happy to do right now, I think there's going to be some breadcrumbs pointing to her.

We're going to think it's her, but it turns out she's just really fucked up, has some skeleton.

And then even as everyone's doubting at her, doubting her, maybe she gets killed.

And then it turns out she actually was a good person all along.

It's one of those.

Yeah.

And then Tom is like, I feel so guilty for having suspected her.

I'm now going to become even more of an alcoholic.

How much further down can we go for Tom?

I don't know.

That last wine pour he had wasn't even a pour.

It was like a glug.

Yeah, it was like what you mean.

Pouring out something after a party where you're just like, I want to pour this in the sink, but it was going into a glass.

It was a sink pour.

Trash can punch, but straight into the Philly's cup.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

It's time.

Predictions.

Rob, what do you got?

Biggest predictions.

We've already made like four predictions, though.

Is there any left?

Who else have we not talked about?

I feel like we've covered predictions for almost every major character.

I have a question about Bartender, whose name I did note.

Lady Bartender?

Sorry, it's Lady Bartender, Joe.

She bartender.

Lady Bartender did seem like she had some info and some concealing things about her.

Bartend her.

I think she knows that it's Aaron or suspects that it's Aaron and deflected guilt over onto Gingerbeard, Rob's favorite red herring, Gingerbeard, right?

She's like, Oh, you need info.

Uh, uh, that guy's, his wife says he's been acting funky, and she's gonna protect Aaron as long as she can.

That's what I think.

What did Gingerbeard do to deserve this?

Be a ginger, I guess.

Yeah, he's he's a little jittery, you know?

It's okay.

Doesn't mean a guy's like betraying your whole gang and way of life.

But that dude's gonna get killed, or at least be that dude.

Okay, you know what?

My death rankings are number one.

He's bullets.

Gingerbeard Done.

Yeah.

Do you have a prediction that we haven't done yet, Joe?

Other than that bartender thing, I don't think so.

How about this for predictions?

What do we think Emily will do?

Like, do we ultimately think she will stand up for her brother?

Do we think that there's any other way for her to go in terms of her testimony at the upcoming hearing?

Which could be episode four, by the way.

Presumably, yeah.

That could be our fourth is

that whole thing.

Do you think there's a way that she doesn't do it, but Ruffalo does do it?

Like, Ruffalo has a change of heart and he does it because he figures out a way to do it.

Monologue watch?

Big time monologue watch.

I would say, especially post-flashback, where we get the conversation with him and his wife about, like, everything you do is like based on a feeling, right?

It's like based on vibes in this moment.

Something is going to happen, even if it's just like vibes.

Even if it's just a little sun steepling through some tall grass in the four, you know, like a little moment for Ruffalo out in the world where he's like, you know what?

I am feeling the connectedness of the universe.

I am feeling this empathy for my son in a way that I haven't before.

I'm queued up for them for the Emmy monologue.

So that's courtroom.

I wasn't going to be here today.

I didn't want to be here today.

Maybe half drunk, honestly.

Right.

And then he just, and we get the wide, wide shot of everyone in the courtroom with the crane coming down.

Can you, verdict style?

Can you bring your Philly's cup up to the stand with you if you're in the courtroom?

Is that allowed?

I'll allow it.

Okay, thanks.

Thanks, Judge.

Judge Mahoney.

Thanks.

This is a part prediction and a part nitpick for me.

Not enough sports yet on this show.

We've really only had the Phillies cover.

No, but I think we, what I really want, what time of year do we think this is?

Well, we can swim in the quarry.

I think it's summer.

You think it's like late August?

Yeah.

Or spring, maybe.

It could be into summer.

Spring.

So the Sixers are out of the playoffs by then.

We might have the Flyers.

They've already shut down back.

Everyone is a lot stickier than they, you know,

I just feel like the, I feel like the Phillies would just be on all the time.

And wherever we are, I just think it would be a constant of just a din of Phillies broadcasts.

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That is a long time, right?

That was

a very competitive market for that one.

So bummed out about that.

But the other two kids for Robbie,

we're not taking them to and from school, which makes me think maybe summer.

No, they are because there's the father-daughter dance.

Yeah.

And they came home from school.

Yeah, so they're in school.

Oh, you're right.

So

we're September-October range, which means the Eagles need to be involved in this show, Rob.

This is that whole area of Pennsylvania is just Eagles, Eagles, Eagles.

Maybe there's a couple Steelers fans, too.

It's a little,

you know, he roots for the Steelers, even though we're in Eagles country.

Like, I just need to give me a little sports.

What if that was the actual reason for like the Dominican rift with the bikers?

Is it like, that's Eagles country out there?

You guys are walking around with your Eagles starter jackets.

Like, they get you in a way that they don't get me.

So, my prediction for this episode, for fourth episode, would be the, I think we get the courtroom, and I think Ruffalo actually shows up, has a change of heart.

And I think, I think this would be one of his Emmys,

Emmy's monologues we're going to be getting.

Okay, I think definitely we're getting an Emmy monologue, whether or not it happens in court.

I don't know.

I feel like we need a few, we're only on episode three of seven.

I think we need a couple more episodes for him to change his mind about

whether or not he would say something.

You don't think they're just going to bang out this courtroom, the whole thing, and they're not going to get rid of it?

I don't know.

Feels like a classic middle of the season thing.

It could be the kind of thing where it's like, it's coming soon, but the whole season takes place over, like, it's only been 72 hours since Sand disappeared.

Like, the whole

thing is the father-daughter dance on Thursday.

Sorry, it's the father-daughter dance.

Does the kid come home and he's in the house, and nobody really wants him there, but ends up being the savior in episode seven?

Oh, wow, throws biker Jason down the stairs.

Wow, finally murders the right person for the stairs.

Superpower?

Okay.

All right.

Yeah.

He finally got this right.

Prediction: we're going to get four

deaths by stair this season.

You know, a lot of stairs.

Really the only way to show the stairs were.

All right.

I think that that's all I have

unless the two of you have anything else.

I have one last question.

How did we feel we get an official name coining for Robbie and company, the Halloween gang, or Halloween crew?

Right.

How do we feel about that?

I mean, obviously, it fits the masks, but is that cool?

I didn't love it.

I think it's kind of cool.

I thought it was kind of cool.

I think it's kind of cool only because their masks are good.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, it's this spooky Halloween crew.

Maybe they can get rebranded to the spooky Halloween crew.

Forgot to mention the video of that huge fight from 2017 in Redding.

Yeah.

Seemed pretty elaborate, and it feels like that's a possible flashback scene.

There's 30 people fighting.

Incredibly high.

High death security camera in Redding.

Yeah.

So I wonder if we're going backwards with that too, to take a look at what actually happened there.

And maybe

he was there.

Yeah.

Let's do a Zoom.

Oh, it's Billy.

We recognize him from all the photos that we've been looking at yeah

um

i got not confused but it's obviously reading pennsylvania but there's a reading up here in northern california that like could easily have a biker bar uh shootout as well so it's like reading california oh reading pennsylvania okay what one of the thing i like about where we are right now is we didn't even get any mention this week of like the mae connection that would tie her and robbie together and then the following up on that from the task force based on her suddenly appearing last week uh around the around Sam's supposed reappearance.

Like, there are so many different threads that the task force is supposed to be chasing.

And we get that line this week that there's been like all these tip calls they're trying to sift through.

It's like they have more information than they know what to do with yet.

And so they have kind of all the answers.

They just don't know how they connect to each other at all.

Mr.

Policeman, we gave you all the clues.

We gave you all the clues.

No, but they did get a Maeve thread this week, right?

Because

the guy who Bill thinks is the mole comes by and is like, the name of

the guy who got beat up was billy and they're like okay let's chase the billy line down then ruffalo's gonna see maeve and he's gonna be like wait a second

i saw you before the chucky cheese or whatever through my vodka haze i seem to recall seen you before yeah i i don't know if he's the mole i'm just suspicious he's weird there's no question he's the guy forget like ginger beard guy this is the most jittery unpredictable force on this show that guy i don't i really don't trust anything he says yeah what's like his job?

A professional mole.

Does he have an office?

Does he have like an assistant?

Maybe he's internal affairs.

Maybe, I don't know what he is.

No, but he's talking about everything involved in the gang.

He must just be like a detective of some kind.

Yeah, I think he like works with Anthony.

I they talked about it in an earlier episode.

I just didn't write it all down, and so I don't have the answers for you right now.

But like, I also think that actor is interesting in terms of like, he's not, he almost seems like not a professional professional actor.

Like, they got a guy?

A guy, but interesting.

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