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Hello and welcome to this episode of the Wrestlers Entertainment Questions and Answers Edition.

I'm Marina Hyde.

I'm Richard Osman.

Hi, Marina.

How are you?

Yeah, I'm okay.

Before we start every episode to sync the cameras up for YouTube, we have to do a clap.

And I just did a very disappointing one.

It was incredibly poor.

And I didn't want to say anything, but it's good to have it.

It was bad, though, right?

Yeah.

Because normally, I think at least recently I've been getting much better.

Yeah, yeah.

That was, whoa.

That wasn't one for the critics.

But look, let's begin.

Cause we've got a lot with so many people.

First of all, I should say, so many people wrote in from the television industry after your unbelievable laying it on the line about AI, which I thought was so interesting.

There are beyond too many to read out, but some incredibly excited, some very anxious.

A lot of people saying they were going to retrain.

Yeah, I think this will drip feed a lot of those things into other episodes as we come along.

But yeah, genuinely, thank you because I think it makes us understand other people's jobs are not always what you think they are.

And so it was fascinating hearing different things from different angles.

So every single one has been read, and every single one will hear it referenced at some point as if it was our original thought.

Can I read an open letter before we go on?

You can, it is a sign of madness, but please do it.

In the last episode, we were talking about has an open letter ever worked?

You know, the sort of letters that celebrities or academics sent to newspapers saying we the undersigned believe XXX.

And we said we didn't think they ever had.

I did make an exception for Martin Luther's 95 thesis nailed on the Wittenberg church door, which arguably set in train the Reformation.

Yeah, Martin Luther, money-saving expertise.

Well, talking of Martin Luther, we have a letter from Father Pius Collins from the Priory of Our Lady of the Sorrows in Peckham.

No way.

That address gets

less glamorous as it goes on, doesn't it?

But thank you, Father Pius.

The combination of things is quite riveting.

Father Pius says, to whom it may concern, concerns us, my friend.

In the last episode, there was a question about open letters, and the consensus was that they never work.

You might be interested to know of the so-called Agatha Christi Indult.

Yes, we would be interested.

In the 1960s, 70s, the Catholic Church was changing the language of the Mass from Latin to local or vernacular languages.

And some British artists and intellectuals wrote an open letter to the Pope, now St.

Paul VI, asking for Latin to be retained.

So a bunch of people wrote a letter to the Pope asking for Latin to be retained in Mass.

The story goes that the Pope read the letter, saw the signatories and said, ah, Agatha Christie, and granted an indult or permission for Latin to continue in masses in England.

So there you go.

Agatha Christie persuaded the Pope.

Are we adapting this in to say that Open Edison's work on the Catholic Church?

Yes, or

if if they're signed by Agatha Christie.

It's the original influencer.

Yeah.

Absolutely cast iron copper bottom influencer.

That is incredible.

Indult.

For anyone at home who has a better name or address than Father Pius Collins' Priory of Our Lady the Sorrows Peckham, I'd like to hear it.

I have a question for you, Irina.

We'll start with this from Jamie Staunton.

Thank you, Jamie.

How are film soundtracks created?

Are they composed after filming or does the composer work to the director's vision from the outset?

Jamie cites John Bryan's Eternal Sunchan of the Spotless Mind score as an example example of a perfect fit, questioning the creation process for such a poignant soundtrack.

It's such an interesting field, movie soundtracks, and then you've got these great people.

We've talked before about John Williams and how he worked with Steven Spielberg.

If you listen to those sort of stories where Spielberg's saying to him, I'm going to need a theme or whatever, and he plays him the two notes and he's thinking, for Jaws, this is so ridiculous, but okay, I'm sure you'll make it work.

That's by that stage you really trusted him.

There's a composer called Alexandre Desplas, who is a French composer who says that John Williams is my sort of forever idol.

And Alexandre Desplaz at the sort of top of his game now.

And he came to attention, I think, with Girl Up with a Pearl Airing, but he's done lots and lots of Wes Anderson films.

He did Deathly Hallows.

He came in for the Deathly Hallows after something that was set up originally, you know, by John Williams.

So he's a really interesting person about all these things.

And I know someone who works with him a lot.

He just did the new Jurassic Rebirth, by the way, again, working with this, you know, again, trying to sort of come in and

recreate an original John Williams thing.

And by the way, that went right down to the, in terms of the, the, when it happens, I know that they were recording really so close to the release of that film.

So it's very interesting how late anyway, but I spoke to my friend Stephen Frears, who has worked on five or six films with Alessandre Despart.

And they've first worked together on The Queen.

They start the process very early, you know, very early on.

when you know you, you know, roughly what the script would be and all those sort of things.

But he says, I'm not clever enough to talk to him about music.

But of course, he has other talents.

So he reads films brilliantly.

So, they see he said, when they first worked together on The Queen, um, they said, We need a sort of romantic melody for Helen, Helen Mirin, who's playing The Queen.

And he said, Oh, I know Stephen's films very well.

I'll write something witty, I'll write him a witty score because he could see that it was going to be, yeah, I think Stephen wouldn't, what Stephen would say was his favorite milieu, which is drama with jokes, and it would be uh, and so he and they got on absolutely brilliantly.

So, he says, Okay, I will go and talk to him.

He lives in Paris, I'll go and talk to him about narrative and about character and about emotion and tone, things that we both understand.

Because, as he says, he doesn't properly understand the music.

And obviously, then the film itself becomes an input.

And then, at a later stage in the process, he says, I will, I'll take the train to Paris.

He'll play his suggestions live for me.

And then we'll just discuss them all.

And then we'll have an absolutely lovely lunch and we'll talk about it all.

And he said, it's sort of amazing.

It's his favorite part in any film, but basically because he loves, he loves Alexandra so much.

um and then but also it can it can really elevate something you can see something without music and they see it with you think oh i see i mean stephen would always say it's amazing how quickly the actors know their characters far better than you know they come in and they know their character and you think my god i've been sitting with this for a year and how do you know more about it than me already there's something so you know empathetic and osmotic really about them and the same thing in the in the case of the music and then alexander at a certain point will come to london and he will also conduct the full he's a conductor as well and and he will conduct the full kind of complete Philharmonic orchestra or whatever to create this sort of music.

And actually, I was thinking, oh, gosh, the music in Jurassic Rebirth is very good, actually.

And you can see sort of that it's an homage to, but also a drawing on of John Williams's work from the original.

And there's some great clips of him actually conducting the huge orchestra.

So that's how it works.

And when it works really, really well, it's pun intended in concert with the filmmaker.

And it's an ongoing process throughout the making the film.

Obviously, when you have as close to a final, you know, assembly of it or a final cut of it as you're going to get, then you're really, you know, you're making it even little individual action beats.

You're

making it.

Yeah, because presumably, if a director is cutting three seconds out of this scene and making the transition to this scene two seconds longer, then the composer has to

adapt to that.

And then, and then there are certain things and you think, oh, that was too long.

And

we're not going to get to where we want to be musically

during just walk down the corridor, for want of a better sort of

example.

And so there's constant adjustments and refinements, but those ideas of things like character themes and stuff that we know from when we listen to music, movie music.

And there are, you know, there are huge communities of people who are obsessed with film music and

are completely devoted to film music and

see it as it is, as this incredible, this incredible art and this incredibly specific art.

And again, another sort of strike against AI, because of course AI can do all this sort of thing, but it, like we talked about before, it can't get the vibe of what a director's going for.

And it can't do the thing of going, I understand exactly what you want.

However, what if I were to do this?

And the director hears and goes, oh my God, you know what?

I did not see that in the scene.

And you now, through doing this music, have made me see that in the scene.

It's completely.

And I've, you know, many times I've attended all different directors' screenings.

And often directors will show you screenings and say, I just want to get some audience feedback at this stage.

And you'll have, honestly, there'll be bits in the movies where there's like a just a green thing and saying, here is a sea battle or something like that, because you know it's to come.

And what they want is you to say, oh, I didn't understand this, but, you know,

the love story sort of fell away.

I don't, or whatever it is, just anything that you could give them at that point, it might help them in the edit.

But there's never any music on that.

So it's all this kind of holding thing.

And then when you hear it for the first time with the music, it's completely transforming.

If you watch a drama or a film without music, and I've done it a few times, it is haunting.

It's like, I mean, sorry, what am I watching?

Yeah, this is like

it's creepy and odd, and yeah, and you don't realize, and of course, you know, those great scores, you can't help but think of them.

But equally, there's something about not even noticing it's happening, and there's there's a certain sort of um sight of hand there where it can cover or it can elevate things that we've got on didn't quite work in the shoot.

On the Thursday Murder Club movie, we've got Thomas Newman doing the music.

He's one of the great

composers.

If you watch it not thinking about the music, you think, sorry, what music?

And then you watch it thinking of the music, you go, oh, I see.

Oh, wow.

Totally got what I, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, isn't it?

Isn't it?

Isn't it?

It's an amazing thing.

And so, you know, him and Chris Columbus would absolutely work in tandem.

And as you say, send things back and forth.

And

something that Thomas would do would suggest something to Chris, something Chris would do would suggest something to Thomas.

And, you know, if you get those sort of, this is usually a very...

First Harry Potter film, which is, you know, which Chris Columbus, so many of those themes that they go throughout all of that.

I mean, it's amazing how it's such a beautiful art.

Yeah.

And it's

amazing how closely directors and composers work.

They almost work closer with a composer than almost anyone else on set, apart from the DOP probably.

I think that's interesting.

Yes.

And they recognize the kind of alchemic power of these people to kind of get their.

film to more closer to what it was meant to be in their own head.

From that Taskmaster, Richard,

another another work of art, Adam Carroll would like to know, he says, I'm in an internet argument, we all are, about whether former Taskmaster contestants choose their own clips for the YouTube Ultimate episodes.

I believe guests wouldn't remember enough or choose interesting clips.

Richard, as a guest, can you confirm if you chose your clips or if production did?

So this is they do ultimate episodes on YouTube Taskmaster, one of the many ways they monetize that

thing, but because people love it.

And yeah, you sort of choose your perfect episode from some of the tasks that you did.

So there'll be a prize task and you know, just stuff you remember and then a finishing task as well.

Oh my God, you absolutely choose your own clips.

No one would come and do it otherwise.

If I like the idea you might not remember something that happened on Taskmaster.

Let me tell you now, Adam, the whole thing is etched on my memory and will be until the day I die.

Andy Devonshire, who's the exec on Taskmaster, is brilliant.

He knows he's not going to ring me up and say, Would you like to come do this YouTube thing?

It's just a series of your tasks that you did that I chose.

because Andy chose the tasks in the first place and I didn't like all of them.

They ring up and they say, could you put something together?

And everyone on that show has a, you know,

you go through the middle on that show, but, you know, you remember how things made you feel.

You remember the reaction that things got.

So for mine, there were a few tasks that I felt I'd done very well.

There's the one with the yoga balls at the top of the hill, which even to this day, people in every country in the world ask me about at book events.

So obviously I had to have that there.

But also, John Richardson and I have a long-running beef with the with the taskmaster producers because of because of the scoring system in one of the episodes.

And so and poor Andy, he sooner said, I tell you what, Andy, I'm going to have the rabbits in the hat one.

And he's like, yeah, of course you are.

So I was able to call him out on camera.

But you want to be really, really entertaining.

The whole show is so entertaining.

And I love, love, love the people behind that show.

And I love the viewers of that show.

So what you're really wanting to do is just try and make them laugh again.

And to have a couple of things that make you look good, a couple of things that make you look bad and then then you know a little bit of spice and settle one score and and settle one score at length so yeah i really i really really enjoy doing it there's very few people who've ever been on taskmaster who won't sort of go to the ends of the earth anytime they're asked to do something else it must be such a life experience yeah it's great it feels it's you've told me this before is it a week it's like over about five months and i did it back when there was only six episodes now it's like about 40 episodes isn't it so i think it's a full-time job for some people i definitely feel like I'm part of that gang forever and ever.

And you know, little things like when James Acast was on it, and he messaged me saying, Can you come down?

Because

I can use you for a task.

And you're like,

Whoa, it's James Acast, and it's I get to see the Taskmaster house again.

Yeah, so yeah, you definitely feel part of that family.

But that's, um, if you haven't seen the ultimate episodes, it's really, really well put together.

They're absolutely chosen by the contestants.

They'll say, Oh, if there's anything you need a reminder of, or they'll make a few suggestions, or that, you know, if you say, Can you show me a bit of that one that I did?

Because I can't remember how that went and they'll send you a clip.

So, you know, you don't, you know, you don't have five minutes just to say, let's do this, this, this, and this.

So they'll help.

But no, they are, they, they are definitely not telling you what to do, which is so great because the one thing on that show is you are being told what to do.

And you're being told what to do by Andy Devonshire and Andy Cartwright and Alex.

And just for months on end, they're telling you what to do.

And it's lovely to be out at the end of it.

And, you know, like when a former cabinet minister gets fired and they can get, they just go on the news and they say what they want.

Yeah.

That's lovely.

You can just do that.

You can go on the news and say what you want.

Right.

Shall we now proceed to a break and then come back and do some more questions?

Let's do precisely that.

I'm also going to give you a game of A-list or not that we've played before, where you immediately tell me if someone's A-list, B-list or C-list.

Is that all right?

I've got

to say our lovely listeners have, they keep sending in names.

They go, I'd be fascinated to know if this person is A-list.

list so I've I've been I've been collecting them over the weeks and I'm going to tiger with them thanks let's go to a break

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Welcome back, everybody.

Would you like to play A-list or not?

I would like to play an unplanned version of A-list or not.

Excellent.

This really is unplanned.

Hello, everybody.

This is A-list or not.

How many names have you got?

I'm not going to do all of them because I've got 45.

Oh, my God.

Can you imagine?

If you think there are 45 of A-listed, everyone, wake up.

I maybe do 10 or 12.

Okay.

But I'm going to read you about some names.

You have to tell me A-list, B-list, or C-list.

I just, this is, I'm going into a sort of, you know, I'm going into a failed state.

A fugue state, yeah.

Yeah, so you're just going to vibe this, yeah?

Yeah.

Okay, ready?

Yeah.

Minnie Bobby Brown.

A star on Netflix.

She's A on Netflix, but she couldn't open a movie in theatres.

So not A-list.

Okay.

She's A on Netflix.

She's like the premiere A on Netflix.

Julia Roberts.

A.

Brie Larson.

B.

Jared Leto.

Four.

Very difficult revelations recently.

Be falling.

Be falling rapidly.

Steve Carell.

Oh.

It's a good one, though, isn't it?

It is a good one.

I actually think he could be A-list with the right picture.

Yeah.

That's what I was wondering.

He could be.

Because he's just so loved.

I want to say A, yeah.

How about that, Steve?

She's very hard to crack.

We're putting Steve Carell on the A-list.

Harris Dickinson.

Honestly, people couldn't pick him out of a lineup, but he's incredibly good.

And he's going to be A-list.

He's incredibly good.

Alec Baldwin.

Well, I mean, B and Falling.

Kate Blanchett.

Used to be an A-list.

Used to be A-list.

There's no question these people used to be A-list.

Blanche is still A because she's going to get you an Oscar.

And so you're going to put her in those sort of movies.

And she's going to...

Yeah, A.

I would A.

I would love an Oscar.

Sean Penn.

Sean Penn.

Well, Sean Penn is no longer going to open a movie for you.

So he is Heritage B.

Okay, Cruise, but not Tom, Penelope.

Oh, I mean, she's lovely.

I'll put her at B.

Brad Pitt.

Well, A now.

A.

I mean, I'm surprised.

I think people turned out for the cars and the F1 brand, but he was always an A-lister.

And there's a certain fascination with the private life.

A.

Tom Holland.

A.

I meant the Tom Holland from the rest is history.

Podcast

A plus Premier.

Yeah.

Okay.

Jeff Goldblum.

B.

Cynthia Arrivo.

Oh, do be stupid.

B.

Wicked is the star, not Ariana Grande is the star.

Emma Watson.

Oh, dear.

No, I mean, she's just

B.

Are you going to go and see an Emma Watson film?

You're not going for the acting.

Wow.

What?

It's true, though.

Wow.

What?

I like her.

Daniel Ratcliffe.

Well, I mean, what projects does he do?

I mean, B, I can't even say B.

I mean, of course, they've been in this thing where the IP is the star.

This is the whole problem of this whole thing now.

We live in an era where the IP rather than the actors are stars.

So it's very, very difficult.

Actually, you know, if I'm really being honest about Tom Holland, who I mentioned earlier, what is a Tom Holland project?

Normally, it's a project that fails unless it's Spider-Man, in which case it's the biggest movie in the world.

So he kind of straddles these two things.

And he's in a very A-list couple, and therefore I put him in A.

And I think he's a great, I'm sure he's a lovely person.

I think people absolutely love him.

But Tom Holland projects mostly don't go right.

Wow.

Do you know what?

Tom Holland's watching.

Literally, listen to me.

No, I love it.

Listen,

he'd be the first to say that if he didn't get the ratings he wanted on that, that he wouldn't be the first to say that.

He'd be like the 50th person to say it.

He probably wouldn't mention it.

He's been watching this going, I've absolutely aced this.

Well, listen, he should keep doing Spider-Man movies because they're the biggest films in the world when he doesn't.

Yeah, I suspect he probably will.

Yeah, I mean, he doesn't, you know, you're playing, you're making me play the game, and I'm playing it.

Also, I used to work with his dad did you actually dominic holland oh yeah comedian of course yeah of course okay i by the way in a no dominic holland i i put him in a in the first place i could okay as you know i'm gonna give you one final one okay last one i want you to think about this one i think this is a good one i knew that steve carell what you'd find interesting yeah i think i know what you're gonna say to this but i'm not absolutely certain keani reeves he's an a-lister there's no question that for yeah he keano reeves is an a-lister still because he it performs very very well in those big franchises.

In the same way that actually George Cooney Bizarle, who hasn't necessarily opened well in movies recently, but he went and did Good Night and Good Luck on Broadway and it became this sort of mega mega thing.

I'll tell you what, when Kiana Reeves and Alex Winter from Bill and Ted go and do that Jamie Lloyd production of Waiting for Godo, you wait and see what the lines are for that are like it'll be unbelievable.

And Kiana Reeves is in a huge, huge franchise that performs very, very well.

And there's something about him that transcends all of that.

And he's remained Keanu Reeves.

He's never become a difficult man, Richard.

I think he's he's only sort of accrued in love and respect amongst people.

He's an A-lister.

I was talking to someone who did his makeup the other day, and

she likes him very, very much.

But he was doing a thing about motorbikes, and he's in front of a load of Hell's Angels.

She said he'd been just tinkering with this thing, and his face was covered in grease.

He said he did not look great.

He said, but she saw all these Hell's Angels in front of him.

She just walked up to him and said, listen, you need makeup, but I'm guessing you're not going to let me do makeup in front of all these guys.

He went, you got that right.

And off she toddled.

And we were both perfectly happy.

Oh, I heard a story of on the last John John Wick that they were doing.

They were really in a hurry for everyone to get to get the light.

They were moving from one shot to another, and it would be just right at the end of the day.

And there was this person who was just like lumping everything along with all the grips, and it was Kiana Reeves.

Yeah.

I mean, everyone loves Kiana Reeves.

Everyone loves Kiana Reeves' latest relationships.

Everyone loves all of Kiana Reeves.

Tom Holland's going, not only was I downgraded, now I've got to hear about how great Kiana Reeves is.

Hey, listen, everybody loves...

Tom Holland too.

Everyone loves Tom Holland too, including hottest women in the world, Zendaya.

So there we go.

I mean, he's an A-list.

Thank you so much for sending in all those names.

There's loads more left.

So we didn't read yours.

I will do that another time because it genuinely, I love how much effort Marina puts into it.

It's literally...

I'm doing it off the car.

I know, but it takes kind of psychic effort, I think.

So we're going to move on now.

And we're going to talk about the cost of Grand Theft Auto 6.

Richard Reynolds, Ryan's brother, has been in touch.

Says, today my 13-year-old son, Rex, Rex Reynolds, Reynolds is a great name.

That's a good name.

Wow.

okay.

Today, my 13-year-old son, Rex, amazing name, Rex Reynolds, told me that by the time the much-delayed GTA 6 is released next year, it will have cost more to make than the Burj Khalifa skyscraper in Dubai.

Surely not, says Richard.

No one is spending billions on creating a video game, are they?

He asks leadingly.

Oh, Richard.

Hello, Rex, by the way.

Of course, Rex is right.

Richard, of course, you know, your son is right.

He's absolutely right.

I mean, there have been very, very expensive video games before.

I think Spider-Man, that was like about 400 million.

Cyberpunk 2077 was 400 million.

But yeah, this is costing around about 2 billion.

And the Burg Khalifa itself cost between 1.4 and 1.5 billion US dollars.

So Grand Theft Auto 6 is more expensive than the Burg Khalifa.

But I tell you.

Is built by slaves?

I'm kidding.

I'm kidding.

I'm kidding.

Of course I am.

I always kid.

What, Grand Theft Auto 6?

They call it crunch culture.

Crunch culture?

What's crunch culture?

When they, in the gaming industry, where they work, like make them work absolutely round the clock

and they just try and iron out everything and people are just like not sleeping at all.

This got very dark very quickly.

Yeah, it did.

But it seems I think worth spending.

So it's coming out.

We've got a definitive release date, which any gamer will know is 26th of May 2026.

I saw a recent thing saying they reckon in the first 60 days this is going to gross over $7 billion.

Grand Theft Torch.

It's one of the great works of art of our time.

That's more than 70% of the entire Hollywood box.

Well, you said before hollywood needs to break about nine billion a year to kind of yeah stagger on in its current form yeah and this itself in 60 days will make seven billion dollars isn't that incredible rex because you won you're allowed to call your dad ryan for the rest of the week so yeah ryan i'm ever so sorry rex is absolutely correct there it costs more than the burge khalifa but it is going to make an awful lot more than the burge khalifa as well although actually i don't have the um i don't have the receipts for how much money burge khalifa makes presumably with high occupancy developers don't either yeah presumably it may yeah yeah

It's something of a Wild West out there.

And even, I mean, TV's got very expensive.

There's certain bits of TV that the streamers have, I mean, The Lord of the Rings, that was so expensive.

That was something like 58 million the Rings of Power per episode.

Stranger Things has got very, very expensive.

That's about 30 million per episode.

I mean, lots of Taylor Sheridan things are sort of 22 million an episode, which is becoming quite expensive.

The most expensive movie that we know of, but remember, there's all these accounting fiddles, is Jurassic World Dominion, which costs 453.6 million.

But actually, I think one of those late-stage Avengers won a huge amount.

I think maybe Age of Ultron cost a lot more than they ever said.

And I think it was sort of terrifying that they couldn't actually say it out loud.

But in these years where we're obsessed with the budgets for movies and the take of movies, the idea that a video game of all things

has a $2 billion budget and it's going to make $7 billion.

And we still don't really know how to talk about them, which I find so interesting.

We don't have proper criticism of them, isn't given anything in a tenth of the high status as movie criticism.

We don't really understand how to talk about things that don't have stars necessarily.

Traditional forms of media have just completely lost this medium.

A different form of criticism or not, which is watching some people you like play it on YouTube or on Twitch or whatever it is.

By the way, if I was Rockstar Games and I was listening and I still had time,

I'd get a character called Rex Reynolds in there.

It's just quite every Rockstar Games name.

Yeah, because it could sort of be anything, right?

I mean, listen, a wrong'un, but, you know, it could be any sort of wrongin'.

Could have a turn, could have a heel-face turn.

Yeah.

That about wraps us up, except we do have our bonus tomorrow, which is moving along the great arc of our discovery,

a quest to discover the great, greatest British sitcom of the last, however, many decades.

We are moving on this week to the 90s and the noughties.

We'll be revealing the top three sitcoms voted for by our members in both of those decades and opening up the voting to discover the best sitcoms of the decade.

It will all culminate in two weeks' time in voting for the greatest British sitcom of all time.

But if you want to hear behind-the-scenes stories about all sorts of things, I'm not going to tell you which ones because that will give away the top threes, but you could probably get some of them.

But the sitcoms of the 90s and the noughties, that's tomorrow.

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