‘Witness’ With Bill Simmons and Mallory Rubin

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Yeah, always nice to be here with you on the Rewatchables, you know?

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All right, Mallory Rubin, is this your favorite movie?

Top 10, unquestionably, probably top five.

It is one of my favorite movies ever.

And it is definitely one of the movies that I revisit the most often and think about the most.

And as you know, we'll talk about this at length today, but it is the movie where I believe we see the hottest person who has ever lived.

And that is Harrison Ford as John Book.

It's not Vigo Martinson.

No, though, he looks great.

It's not Alexander Goodnuff.

Daniel looks great.

Moses looks great.

Everybody looks great in the movie.

But when Book drums the top of the car in the barn,

We've just never witnessed anything like it in the history of the world.

What a privilege to be here today to talk about it with you.

Yeah, I don't have the same relationship with that aspect of it.

To me, this was always more of the Kelly McGillas

as a teenager.

Yeah.

And they threw a brief nude scene in there, and then she went on to fall in love with Maverick.

That's right.

Big stretch.

Big running.

Mid-80s for Kelly.

Yeah, great mid-80s for.

This was Harrison Ford's official unquestionable, I'm now an A-plus lister, if you didn't.

already think that because he had two raiders movies he had the two star wars movies yeah And he had Blade Runner.

I would say.

But they were all like kind of, they all had some sort of gimmick with them.

This is like an actual Robert Redford, Paul Newman, movie star part that those guys easily would have played 10 years earlier.

Yeah, I mean, the franchise king goes prestige, right?

It's sort of like the summation of what happens here.

I, you know, we've talked about this before.

You've talked about this, obviously, many times.

You've done many Harrison Ford movies on the Rewatchables.

Great.

Not as many as I thought.

Not as many as you should have.

Yeah.

It's almost like there's enough left for a Harrison Ford month, like for real I'm available okay I figured he would be standing by and I'm available uh his ron in the 80s is unrivaled I think it's unmatched I don't think that there's any run you can put up against it and say this is better definitively better and specifically 80 to 85 I mean the whole 80s but Empire into Raiders into Blade Runner into Jedi into Temple of Doom into Witness

what compares nothing Pretty great.

And then he has the Mosquito Coast Stumble, and yet that's a good movie.

I like that movie.

peter weir yeah the same director for this one the collaboration continuing so it's an interesting moment they filmed this in 84 but it comes out in february 85.

yep and it's an interesting moment for the a-list movie stars because we have redford newman burt reynolds they're all now a little too old like newman was in the verdict a couple years he's just aged out of this redford has aged out but doesn't want to admit it yet like he's playing roy hobbs in the natural and he's pretending to be 16 years old the barn scene yep and burnt reynolds just all of a sudden has a rug on his head and just looks like what's happening hanks isn't ready yet tom crew is too young yeah

shravolta has blown it

it was sitting there for him for years and maybe three years earlier he's the guy and witness stallone's kind of over here right clint's kind of over here and michael douglas is starting to happen like romance in the stone is 84 but it hasn't really happened and harrison ford for like two years here is just the guy you would put movies like this i mean two years like more like two well then he then he protects it but i'm saying like this is he's the obvious a-list choice for a role like this he is

the most powerful force in the history of the world

That is a thing that I believe to be true.

And I would say that he is like the rare thing in our fractured world that we can all agree on.

You know, he is.

Hey, who doesn't like Harrison Ford?

I wouldn't want to know that person.

I wouldn't want to spend time with them.

What a weird zag that would be.

I wouldn't want to do a podcast with them.

That would be the case.

I don't think there is a case because he is like

the consummate,

you want to be them and you want to be with them, right?

He's

the ultimate action hero, action star, but he's also like.

gentle.

He's a little, a little goofy, right?

He leans into the

quirk.

He's charming.

He's charismatic.

He is like one of the things that I love talking about with Harrison Ford.

And every time I re-watch any of his movies, he gets such a kick out of is the hand acting.

You know, like Playwright are my ultimate favorite example, but it's present in every movie, including this one.

And that's such a like particular affectation.

for somebody who only really needs to stand there and ooze and exude

magnetism.

But he does all of these different things.

You believe that that he's the president.

You believe that he's Dr.

Richard Kimball.

You believe that he's a cop.

You believe that he's Indiana Jones.

You believe that he's on solo.

He's a rogue.

He's a scoundrel.

He's capable of playing the smartest man in the room.

He can be empathetic.

What about evil Harrison Ford?

What lies beneath?

Sure.

Hiding a dark star.

Edgy Harrison Ford, right?

I mean, we get Frantic in 88.

Frantic in 88 and Working Girl in 88 is one of the great

duo film installments in a single year.

Just incredible stuff.

He is just an unbelievably potent star who has been present in our lives across decades.

This is the most incredible stretch, but like the fact that we're living through now the Fort de Sants, you know, he's back.

He's doing 1923.

He was just in a Marvel movie playing Thunderbolt Ross and Red Hulk.

Spoiler.

He's, you know, he's on shrinking.

He just got nominated for an Emmy.

for playing Paul on shrinking.

Like he's just been this inextricable aspect of our movie going and now TV experience for

half a century.

Yeah, if you start with American graffiti, it's more than a half a century.

What is life without Harrison for?

52 years.

It's not a life I recognize.

It'll be a top five most devastating actor death.

No, I can't think about it.

I do have like, I don't really spend much time on Twitter anymore, but back in the day when I was on Twitter a lot, anytime I saw that he was trending, you just got scared.

Terrified, like that he had like crashed a plane again or that something horrible had happened.

But usually it was just him saying something amazing on a press tour, you know.

is the best

you said it earlier but it's the key thing with him and only a couple of people have this where guys would want to hang out with them and women want to date them.

Yeah, and if you find the actor who can hit both of those, and the guys aren't nagging him or jealous of him or anything, they're just like, Yeah, he seems like a cool guy.

I would have a beer with him.

Who wouldn't want to have a bourbon with Harrison for who wouldn't?

One of the things I love is that anytime you hear

somebody who has bonded with him in the process of making a picture with him, like Peter Weir talks about this a lot with Witness, right?

It's like, Yeah,

I went to Harrison's ranch,

yeah, you know, he picked me up on the airfield in Wyoming.

What is not amazing about that?

That's the dream.

And he would, he married Melissa Mathson, right?

Well, he's had three wives who had been with Spielberg for a little bit there.

Yeah.

But he didn't really, it wasn't like the Brad Pitt where he was always in these famous paparazzi relationships.

There was always mystery.

I never really knew that much about Harrison Ford's personal life.

I always just knew him from the movies.

Whereas, like, I think that shifted over the last 30 years with Cruz, with Brad Pitt, with Leo.

Yeah.

He's felt like he had more access about what their lives were like.

Counterpoint.

Yeah.

Maybe, okay, not a counterpoint, maybe a co-point, because you're right about the access to information in real time.

Obviously, when you have something like Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher, there's a lot of like intrigue around it.

Think about that.

We never knew that forever.

But now, like sitting here now in 2025, anybody who knows that Harrison Ford exists knows that he is the ultimate lover.

The Eve Babbitts quote.

Ultimate swordsman.

You're familiar with the Eve Babbitts quote, the famous one, right?

What was that one?

Is this going to

remember?

Is this going to make me uncomfortable?

The thing about Harrison is Harrison could fuck.

I believe that is the quote.

And then she went on to say that he

could fuck, and now I'm paraphrasing,

could fuck nine women a day or a woman nine times and that's who said

he babbitts

who's eve babbitts oh come on famous like writer and uh the the figure in the history of of culture who had a intimate awareness of harrison ford's prowess as a what yoga yeah how would she know that that just sounds like somebody

she didn't date him though or did she oh well yeah i mean they had a man an intimate acquaintance as many women did with harrison Ford, which is the point.

He was very active.

Maybe that's why he had to start smoking pot.

It had to calm down his little Harrison.

I mean, nine times a day is unthinkable.

I never believed those stories.

Every time they say those, I'm always like, all right.

It just actually seems like it would be a real scheduling challenge, like logistic.

There's chafing.

I don't know.

There's like fluid replenishment.

Yeah, a lot of friction.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know.

It's tough.

But who knows?

They always said that with Warren Beatty.

It was like any, like that book about him where it was like literally anyone was in play at all time for him.

It didn't matter what they looked like.

It was just somebody make eye contact with them and then it was off.

They were on.

Interesting wrinkle with Witness and Harrison Ford.

Tell me.

Your beloved guy.

Yeah.

Only Oscar nomination ever.

All right.

I didn't know when in the podcast.

I got to say, I didn't know this.

I felt like I knew this and blocked it out or forgot it, but I just would have assumed there are more.

And then I went through all the movies and I was like, all right, I get it.

It doesn't make sense.

But

this to me is one of like the great injustices in the history of Hollywood.

That he didn't win or that he's only gotten one.

Both.

I think he should have won for playing John Buck and Witness.

I think it's a sensational performance.

It's a wonderful role.

That's a really weird Academy Awards year.

I'm ready to talk about it.

Will you just click your fingers?

I'm ready to go.

And so there's that.

Let's dive into it.

But then also the fact that he was never nominated again.

Like, so what were the other ones?

Like, would you have said Blade Runner?

I mean, you know, I would say Blade Runner.

That was a more loaded year, I think, is the problem.

Yeah, right.

So that was 82, so the 83 Academy Awards.

Working girl, working girl supporting actor?

Could have been supporting for Working Girl.

Fugitive?

Yeah.

Come on.

The thing is, those action parts don't usually get Oscar noms.

He's never been, he was never nominated for playing Indiana Jones at any point.

I know it was like a different period of Hollywood, but it just feels like his stature and half insignificance in the history of Hollywood is like not reflected in the fact that he has only been nominated once for an Oscar.

Now he kind of famously shrugs this off and says it's not important and says he doesn't care.

And because he's Harrison Ford, I actually believe him, but that doesn't mean it's right.

That's a lot of fun.

There's a couple of parts he showed that you clearly, like when he did Branch Ricky in 42, it felt a little

chasing it, but I don't think he cares.

I mean, the thing when you read about him,

like he talks about how Mosquito Coast didn't make money and he was like, that's the first movie I ever made that didn't make 100 million.

Like he's, he was keeping track of how successful he was versus other people.

The thing with the Oscar noms,

because this happens in sports, like people get mad that LeBron hasn't won an MVP since 2013, that Kobe only won one MVP.

Yeah.

And they'll just say it.

But if you actually go through the IMDb, in this case,

I only had like three where I was like, oh, he might have gotten robbed.

But then you have have to look at the year and all the other performances.

What were the few that you thought should have been Blade Runner is pretty

good case for that one.

I think the first Indy, and I think Working Girl, 100%.

Yeah, Raiders not being a nomination is so strange.

I really do think the fugitive is a bizarre, bizarre miss.

That's an odd one.

I think that was a really hard year, though.

The thing about Blade Runner, which, as you know, is one of my favorite movies and one of the certainly most important movies in my household.

Yeah.

It's my husband's favorite movie.

You know, the one thing about that that makes it, while it is still a shock and a scandal and an outrage, maybe not surprising is that, as you know, of course, Blade Runner's esteem really grew over time.

That feels to me like a time capsule.

Like if you went back and redid it and people brought to that moment in time how they feel about that film now and it's standing as a sci-fi classic, it would be different.

But that wasn't the instant in real time

perception.

It was considered kind of a bomb.

When are we going to do the Blade Runner rewatchables?

bowls?

Specifically, the Ridley Scott director's cut.

Sign me up.

How many different cuts are there?

There are a lot of cuts of Blade Runner, but that would be the one that we should do.

So that Oscars with the fugitive.

Hanks wins for Philadelphia.

Damon Day-Lewis in the name of the father.

Lawrence Fishburne, What's Love Got to Do With It?

Yeah.

Liam Neeson, Schindler's List, and then Anthony Hopkins, the remains of the day.

That's pretty stacked.

That's the thing.

Like, he just had bad luck with some of these.

I still feel like a part like Indiana Jones

is just so much harder than people realize that you to blow off the charm of it.

It's weird because Brad Pitt gets credit for this.

I agree.

With some of these parts now, like even F1, I don't think he's going to get nominated for F1, but he got credit for like, oh, only Brad Pitt could have done this.

Ford, it took a while.

I just think there were too many good actors.

I don't almost feel like he didn't get the credit.

And he also didn't have like his version of Dances with Wolves.

or those big like epics that where everybody just jerks each other off about how

you know, this is this is the out of Africa thing, though.

Yeah.

So yeah, this was his best chance, I think, for an Oscar.

And what happens is this is this weird time in the Oscars when they got carried away with these big sweeping epic, you know, pictures with big directors or big actors.

And Out of Africa wins best picture and best director.

Right.

And then William Hurt wins for Kiss of the Spider Woman, which he's really good in that.

I mean, I get it.

Yeah, but like, I think there's actually a better case for Witness being robbed in the movie than Ford for actor.

I think both are people didn't love Out of Africa when it came out.

You can go back.

I was reading it last night, reading it.

I was like, I always thought that movie was slow and ponderous.

I never understood the red for character.

And then you read the reviews and people were going,

Yeah, it's good.

There's some good stuff in here, but it wasn't like a multiple Oscar winner type of movie.

Yeah, and it dominated the Oscars.

You have somebody like the color purple getting shut out after getting all of its nominations.

Witness got eight nominations, one, two, cinematography and editing.

But like Peter Weir, I think also has a really strong case.

He's been nominated multiple times over the years for best director, but this is like an unbelievably directed movie.

And I think, especially, it was really fun to prep for this pod because I love the movie.

I've been watching this movie since I was like a kid.

Yeah.

And

diving and like learning more about it, watching, you know, the bonus features on the DVD.

And they put out the Arrow 4K Ultra a couple years ago so checking out like the specials on that you know you hear peter weir talk about the movie and like on the one hand he'll say i'm like a little surprised that this is a movie that people still love so much i didn't think it would have this kind of lasting impact and legacy but then when he talks about every single choice he made and the level of care and what he did the choices he made in particular to like amend the the screenplay.

Sorry, I said cinematography won.

It didn't.

Screenplay won.

Yeah.

John Steele did not win for cinematography.

He was nominated, but he didn't win.

It won for screenplay, and it's an incredible screenplay.

But Weir did so much work to amend the screenplay and

dampen down the dialogue and really like orient the movie and root the movie in

restraint and these glances and these longing looks.

It's just beautifully and impeccably shot and directed film.

So, you know, Sidney Pollack won for Out of Africa, and that's not like crazy or anything, but would you not have picked Weir?

It makes sense in the 80s just because of the stuff they were rewarded.

It makes no sense now because I just, I don't think culturally that movie really matters.

And I think it's surprising looking back at what it won.

But

I think watching this again and then reading some of the stuff, which I had never like deep dived, like the actual research, which we have to do in the rewatchables,

some of the things they cut out.

some of the dialogue they cut out and how he's always like deferring toward like, I want this to be visual.

I want to, I want to center on the reactions.

And they don't really do this anymore in movies with very few exceptions.

It's everything is so dialogue heavy now.

This movie is so good.

Like that, like one of the best scenes we'll do in rewatchable scene is when the little kid Samuel sees Danny Glover's picture.

Historic.

And Ford just lowers his finger.

It's just that this movie has like 19 things like that, just these little touches that are, just make it special.

You could go through start to finish and you're never going more than 12 minutes without a moment like that.

You're just completely gripped and oriented.

And like, you have your mooring because of somebody's eyes.

And I think to your point about how that feels like really of a moment in time, like, I mean,

there are a lot of good movies and a lot of good TV right now, but I think undeniably

there's an aspect of like, can we trust our audience as much in the sensory overload era?

You know, people are on their phones.

People are distracted.

You need to have all of these like expositions.

That's a good point.

If you're on your phone during that Danny Glover scene, you miss what happened.

You're like, wait, what happened?

And then you just missed it.

But in this era, where people are actually paying attention to the beautiful art in front of them, something like, and again, I know we'll talk about this more later when we go through all of the scenes and all of the great choices, but something like Peter Weir,

it's fascinating to hear him talk about this, saying that there were multiple pages of dialogue at the end of the film where Rachel and Book basically explain to each other what they're thinking.

By the way, that sounds awful.

Yeah.

Why did they even have, why did they, these two never exchanged more than like five words together.

i know it's a very like base animalistic bond but the fact that like peter weird is just like if i've done my and this is literally what he says right like if i've done my job by that point you should know how they feel about each other and how they feel about the choice that they've had to make and what they're leaving behind and what they're each moving toward and the fact that you can see that in a little smile but also like the glassy eyes because of the emotion and the tears who looks away who looks back when are their eyes meeting when

you're at the end oh my god how many times have you cried during that scene I am

goodbye John Book

I am moved to a lot of different powerful feelings and emotions watching witness sometimes tears sometimes more private things

but all very all very powerful

I love how

they're just hanging out and it's not like

I think in a in a bad movie, a mediocre movie, or even a decent movie, there's Harrison Ford's character saying, Samuel.

Yeah, remember what I told you.

You're going to be great.

Remember what I told?

Like, it's just like, here are my words of wisdom.

And they just don't do that.

No.

He just kind of puts his head against them.

Yeah.

It's like a very subtle, though.

I love the nuzzle.

I love the little head pat.

It's a very subtle film.

It's very restrained.

It's like kind of delicate, but in a beautiful way.

And in a way, of course, that is very like entwined with and connected to the contrast between the worlds in the film.

But the fact that like when you go to Lancaster and everything at the, at the lap farm in an Amish country, it's not suddenly like

big city cop energy has seeped and saturated every scene of this experience.

It's like, no, there is,

what do we hear over and over again?

You look plain.

There's like a plainness to it.

There's a pastoral quality.

We'll have multiple moments.

Maybe my favorite example of this actually is like,

we are saying that the barn raising is a paragraph in the script.

It's like, I mean, how long is that scene?

It's like five minutes, yeah.

Yeah.

And you're just watching people exist in a community and it's really gripping.

There's so many smart little things.

I really love this movie.

I've watched it a bunch of times.

It's so good.

Even when they're building the barn, they take the break and they're all eating.

I love that.

And Alexander Goodenough's character.

Oh, yeah.

He just looks over and he's just staring at like you're so used to all these movies where it's like, oh, this guy's going to be a dick to John Book and they're going to have a little thing.

And it never happens.

He's always, they're always just kind of sizing each other up.

Book clearly knows, like, I'm going to leave here, and this guy's going to marry Kelly McGillis's character.

And that's how we, we all know how this is going to play out, but we have to, like, do this little dance.

And I just don't, I think movies fuck that up all the time, though.

Yeah, you're like luxuriating in a moment.

You'd be like, I don't know who you think you are, English.

Like, we just would have had like a terrible scene.

Yeah.

And they just don't do it.

And every character, that's true for me.

And I kind of like Daniel.

Like, well, you have to.

I don't know if they had the same spark uh

to say the least

as kelly mcgillis and harris and i don't think the same i don't think the fire was burning as bright but i think he'll be a good stepdad to our guy samuel he will i think that that moment like the the

you know there's a lot of like resisting daniel's presence right because you're you're so swept up in the love story as book and rachel are just becoming like enraptured with each other you want to watch them fall in love you want to see them find a way to be together, even though you know, just like they know in the back of your minds that it can't happen.

And so when Daniel comes over and he's like, I'm sitting here kind of like awkwardly in silence, swinging on the porch with you, you're like, man, I'm really not feeling it.

And also clearly, neither is Rachel, but you understand, you never lose sight of the fact that that's the thing that makes sense and that that's probably where we're going to end up.

And that closing shot of book driving away and Daniel walking.

That's another one where they don't stop.

We don't have like one last thing, like take care of them.

Nothing.

We just like

lights.

Like, you know, they had a little brief moment, but we didn't need to actually hear it.

We understand what has transpired.

Great.

Whoa.

Another great thing about this movie.

We enter a world.

I always talk about this, almost 400 movies, these movies where we just go into this place that I don't really understand or know that much about.

Yeah.

We're in this whole Amish society for

100 minutes.

And it's really riveting.

And

you're watching.

And they do such a good job of checking every box of everything you need to understand about this little little world that we're in and by the end of it I feel like I get it yes and I and I understand why it's so damaging to have an outsider and all these things from the outside world come in there and why they're all like what the fuck like right like this he just punched some he just punched some bully great scene on the street great scene we don't do things that way we would rather just you know we're pacifists and then there's this whole pacifist versus violence theme that

is just perfectly done.

Yeah.

Like it feels like anything from the townies with the ice cream cone on Daniel's face to Samuel finding the gun to obviously the West, the Western showdown at the end when the dirty cops all arrive.

The number of moments where like

I love the phrasing that Eli uses the gun of the hand, like this incursion of violence in this peaceful, quiet world and the moments where book like he's so ashamed when rachel catches him and samuel with the gun and he's like right no yeah i get it but then when he has to go into town it's like i need that back like i haven't given that up i have just decided that i will respect your way of life while i'm here yeah but then Obviously, it's on the heels of, you know, learning about Carter and the call with Schaefer.

But when he sees the town, he's mocking these people who he has come to form an attachment with.

And And he has embraced what, even though it's not the choice he's going to make, it's not right for me, he has embraced their life and come to value.

We'll talk about it a couple of times.

Well, no question.

When he's like, he's like, you know what?

I could just make some corn and milk some, milk some teats.

It's 4 a.m., Bill.

It's time for milking.

Yeah.

It's time for milking.

I'll work on young Samuel, teach him some stuff.

Dude, the moment where, no matter how many times I see this movie, when he goes, well, obviously talk about the Spongeback in great detail, but after that, next morning, when he goes and he seeks her out, they're like separated by the wire.

He's in that gorgeous, like, forest green shirt.

He just looks so fucking hot.

It's insane.

I should have a more elegant way of saying it.

I don't.

He just looks so fucking hot.

It's crazy.

He's like, Rachel, if we had made love last night, I'd have to stay or you'd have to go.

And I'm like,

go.

Go, Rachel.

Look at it.

Take him.

Go.

He said, if we had made love last night, we would have had to make love another eight times because that's a

nine a day for me, or it's not a day.

I didn't know if you could handle my nine a day.

He's a big city cop.

She's got a sister in Baltimore.

This is a really unexplored element of the film.

What's Rachel's sister doing down in Baltimore, my home?

Rachel, Book, and Samuel, let's go live a life

down in Baltimore.

It's a great place.

Yeah, your husband just died.

It's time to change life a little bit.

Let's go.

Exactly.

i love entering a world

yes i also love movies with really good scripts and what i didn't realize until i did the research was that this is one of the most respect respected scripts for fledgling movie people over the last 40 years because it the structure is so perfect yeah

which it is but i i just i've seen this movie so many times i never really yeah it never really occurred to me how perfect it is where it's like first part

thriller where we this fish out of water they see something bad.

Like we've seen that version.

Now all of a sudden in the second part, Book is healed back to life.

He's in this Amish world and it's like, oh shit, this is a completely different movie.

And then the last act is the bad people have now come to this, to this place that was this idyllic, awesome place that I was happy in.

And they've upended it.

And then the movie ends.

And it's just first act, second act, third act, credits.

It's really tight.

I mean, you can, you know, you hear people talk about how it was like quite long and, and, you know, 180-some-page script and tracking for three hours and edited down, and obviously tweaked over time.

But yeah, the like

genre mashup aspect of it and the need to

pace it so that we feel.

I want to say, I don't want to like step on some of the categories because I think this will come up a lot later, but I'm always kind of amazed when I re-watch it that how much time actually like is outside of Amish Country before.

I mean, obviously, we start there with the funeral and then the train ride and everything, but we are in the like

we have had a murder.

There's been a murder.

We're like

trying to get Samuel to ID a suspect.

We're in Philly, we're in the big city, like Book's sister's house, Patty Lapone, like we go to a bar for some reason,

pull somebody out, wild starts with T-bone at the bar.

Um, that's like the first 30-some minutes in the movie before

Book drops them off and then passes out and ends up and to your to your fish out of water point with Samuel and Rachel in the big city.

The way that we are still, we're always in a fish out of water movie.

It just flips.

Book becomes the fish out of water.

And like, that's so deftly, nimbly done where it turns.

It's always a clash of cultures, no matter where we are in the film.

It's always a matter of contrast, but the lens through which we're assessing that contrast pivots.

And it's, it's awesome.

well peter weird directed it's the first america movie yeah he had done year of living dangerously and gallipoli and um but it comes into america does this does mosquito coach then yeah uh

dead poets

one of our faves um truman show master and commander peter weird's made a lot of good movies made a lot of good movies this and

Witness and Dead Poets, I feel like, are definitely siblings.

They're not even cousins.

Yeah.

There's a lot of the same touches.

Like, if you watch both, you would absolutely think it was the same director for both.

Even the music, some of the music parts feel the same.

Some of the wide shots of the outdoors.

Yeah.

There's an introspection and a tenderness.

Yeah.

Like scenes without dialogue.

I guess the difference is Dead Poets has like that Robin Williams like jumpstart energy, whereas Witness, I guess, has the murder.

But

there's something about the way he does his movies that is really distinct to him.

Yeah.

And I haven't seen anybody quite like him.

Just very patient-wide.

The actors are always, oh, you always feel like they're in a good spot.

See you of that.

You have Kelly McGillis.

We talked about her.

Yeah.

Great role.

And she became a thing.

Like, it was like, who's, who's this lady?

Because this movie was a big movie.

Witness and Top Gun and back-to-back ears is nuts.

Yeah, yeah.

But even this thing, it was like, who's the newcomer?

She was like waitressing five months before.

This is one of my favorite anecdotes that I was not aware of before prepping for this pod where, you know, she's like, yeah, I was working at the coffee shop.

Peter Weir, it's hysterical to listen to him talk about how impossible it was to try to find Rachel.

He's like, basically, all of the American actresses we looked at were like too hip.

They were too knowing.

He asked the casting director to start looking in Italy.

Yeah.

And then they found, they found Kelly McGillis.

And she's like, yeah, I was working at a coffee shop and like Harrison Ford and Peter Weir walked in and everyone who was there was like, that's fucking Harrison Ford.

What's happening?

Like, imagine that being a thing that happened in your life.

Yeah.

And And then she's filming a movie with them.

So you have her, you have evil Danny Glover.

Yep.

Which is so funny.

You know, he's Lethal Weapon took over his life and he made a bunch of great stuff.

Everybody loves Danny Glover.

Evil Danny Glover, I could have explored in a couple more movies.

Definitely.

One of the like quietly great moments in the movie because it's so

sinister and borderline maniacal is when he stops to wash his hands.

It's like, you have murdered someone in a public place.

Yeah.

Get out of there.

but he's like, Nope, yeah, time tidy up,

wash up.

There's something very insidious about that moment, and then goodnev, who then becomes Hans Gruber's right-hand guy and diehard, two of the completely different role characters you could have played.

Oh, yeah, yeah, awesome, uh, charismatic henchman, and then this movie is all back.

Vigo, they made a big deal in all the research stuff that Vigo, it was Vigo's first movie, he's barely in it, he's got like two lines, yeah.

He's barely in it, handsome, though, he looks great.

It is to me, like as obviously a Lord of the Rings obsessive.

And

the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings films are like sacred texts in my life, as you know.

Is he in those?

We need to stop the pods.

Chris, can you power down?

I didn't realize he was in those.

Okay.

The alternate history.

All of them are just one of them.

He's Aragorn.

God damn it.

The alternate history where he's like, yeah, I almost picked like playing a soldier in Henry V and Shakespeare in the park, but then I did this instead and decided to be a movie actor.

It's like, who would have played Aragorn if

Vigo Mortenstead had not been in this movie?

Are you doing this just to hurt me?

The thing is, I actually believe that it's possible that you don't know who Aragorn is.

Have you seen the Lord of the Rings movies?

You've seen them.

I have not.

Are you serious?

I haven't.

Didn't see him.

I thought I would watch them someday with my kids, and then my kids didn't care.

So I don't know who's left.

Am I not one of your children?

Do I have to adopt a child to watch Lord of Rings?

Lord of the Rings with me?

Okay.

You know what?

If we're going to try to go for 500 movies, I guess I'm going to have to watch it.

That's great eventually.

Next year, Joanne and I have some plans for House of R, but great moment for you to dip in next year, 25 years

fellowship.

We could do Gun to My Head Month, where it's four movies I never wanted to watch.

And then Lord of the Rings.

Okay.

Well, it wouldn't be a gun.

It would be

a broken blade, but that just shows me that you haven't watched it.

I knew Sean Aston was in it.

Yeah, he's not just in it.

He's Samwise fucking Gamgee.

And Elijah Woods' in it now.

Yeah, he's Froda.

Yeah.

That's all I knew.

I knew those two were in it.

I didn't know about Vigo.

This is very painful for me.

The screenplay by William Kelly and Earl W.

Wallace, which may or not be fake names.

I don't know.

Those are like screenwriter names you would create if you were doing it, but it was an unproduced gun smokes script.

And then nobody wanted to make this movie forever.

And then they finally made it.

Which is wild.

And one of the things that's like genuinely, I think, pretty interesting about the, you know, just the Amish.

I don't think it's wild at all.

But it's, but you hear, that's what I was actually just going to say.

It's like, you kind of hear both things.

Like, some of the directors have turned it down, like, it's just another cop movie, which is objective.

Definitely not.

Not true.

And then, yeah, like Fox, right, passing on it because they didn't think they wanted to like focus on like rural films and Amish culture.

And it's like, you hear kind of both sides of it.

I disagree with it, but I get it that a studio would be like, yeah, Amish, staying away.

But

finally, somebody didn't stay away.

Eight Oscar nominations including best picture best actor 12 million dollar budget made 117.1 million dollars which is

really solid yeah and it was like the fifth week that it was in theaters that it became the number one movie so you I mean

positive buzz well reviewed word of mouth like it's sticking out

like I'm gonna go see witness we talk about that sometimes when that just doesn't happen anymore yeah no movie would come out and not be number one for a couple weeks right

but that was the that was the era roger ebert loved it four stars

he called it an electrifying and poignant love story he's correct yeah he said witness arrives like a fresh new day he he crushed all the terrible movies that were out and then said witness arrives like a fresh new day a movie about adults whose lives have dignity and whose choices matter to them and it's also one hell of a thriller then he also said your guy harrison ford

had never given a better performance in a movie.

I think that's true.

And I say that as

world's leading on solo and Indiana Jones enthusiast.

I wonder what Harrison Ford would say.

I wonder if anyone's ever actually asked him what his favorite performance is or what he's like most.

What was your best performance?

If you'd won an Oscar, what should it have been for?

He would, I think he would pick this or something in this mold.

And I don't think he would pick one of his genre movies.

I think he's like.

You don't think he would peak K-19 Widowmaker?

It's possible.

Frankly, astonishing accent work in that film.

Entirely possible.

I don't know if that movie's naked on the Rewatchables.

Let's do Bad Accent Month.

What about when you hit the 600s?

600, maybe.

I do think Patriot Games was good.

I mean, and it's a movie that's not really on anymore.

I don't know what happened to it.

I mean, I'm sure it's on streaming somewhere.

Patriot Games is really good.

I think Clarence Brown Danger is better.

Yeah, yeah.

But he's a great jack.

I like both of them.

He's a great Jack, Ryan.

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it's just a great little kid performance it's one of the best i continue to think little kid oscar should be an oscar every year like under he a spanner under, every year we should commemorate who the best little kid performance was.

He's, I like all his facial expressions.

You know him right away.

I like how wide-eyed he is looking out the window in the train.

I love how he handles the train murder in the bathroom.

Like,

he's just crushing it.

It's fantastic.

He's really incredible throughout the movie.

I think that, you know, we'll get to these scenes

now, but the

eyes, like the amount that he can express just by gazing, staring through, yeah, he's a stare-through-your-soul kind of little kid, really, which is weird.

It doesn't work as well when you become an adult actor because his adult career, yeah, and then we'll talk about some of the stuff that happened with him, which is great.

But, um, I mean, but when you start to stare,

you know, when you stare into somebody's soul as an adult, it becomes maybe more creepy than when you were eight.

Yeah.

Um, but I, he is, for me, no matter what to this day, I see him in something and I'm like, it's Samuel from Witness.

Like when he's, he's in Instruction

and I'm like, it's Samuel from Witness.

Patrick Fugit is like, it's William Miller.

Miller.

I can't.

Yes.

He's in like, we bought a zoo.

And it's like, that's William Miller.

Yeah, definitely.

Samuel sees a murder.

This is just an incredible bit of filmmaking.

This is great.

The toilet switch.

Yeah.

This could also go in What's Age the best for me, but when somebody witnesses something in the toilet and then people wonder if they're there and they go stall by stall and you have to it's a great what would i do in this situation as you're watching it um i do have i have very few picking nits on this movie which i think is incredible and impeccable i have a couple actually on that front that we'll get to later i'll save them for that category broadly the scene is amazing the suspense and tension the

the shirt wrapped around the head the the you flash the knife before you know what's going to happen you cut to samuel's eyes through the door the throat slice you cut to samuel's eyes through the door with the the lot his like tiny his hands are like we know he's a young kid but you see his little hands go to close the lot like slide the lock and you're just like this is like a baby right like he's so tiny and then you're so scared for him and of course you have the added brilliant little chef's kiss touch of the indiana jones homage by reaching for the hat which is just like they're already killing it and you put that on top it's just great stuff now if they had this scene he would be on his ipad he would have missed the murder

taking a shit scrolling on technique while watching like blues clues um

samuel notices the danny glover photo which we discussed earlier is a classic um

good harrison ford's face unbelievable the slow-mo walk yeah pulling the finger down just no notes i love the like kind of almost

magnetic pull across the room yeah like and it does it does actually slow down the sound is kind of sucked out of the scene.

It does actually go into slow-mo, but there are a couple and very different moods in these scenes, but a couple moments in the movie where, like, people basically feel like they are in a trance of some sort.

And it's totally hypnotic.

Then, when you watch it, you have the same feeling as a viewer that the character has in that moment.

That's really one of them.

And I love the way that, even though they've only been in each other's lives briefly, you have something like you're coming off the very cute little

hot dog lunch, you know, right, right before this.

And like, it's, it's the fact that there's kind of a shorthand, right?

Like, he, there's only one book knows.

He doesn't know what he's seen, but he knows what he has seen.

He knows what he's communicating.

And it's just very potent, really good.

The uh, the shootout, the blood reveal, and the driving exit, that whole part.

The uh, yeah, I love a good blood reveal, but it's like, oh, my guy didn't get shot.

Yeah.

Uh-oh, blood drips.

Got to pick up the dry cleaning.

Um, drip, drip, drip.

The glover showing up and him immediately recognized and just like, yeah, everything about the look on Glover's face, everything about that scene is really, it's really like smart thriller

action shit.

Also, like, this is kind of a, because it's a serious movie, it's a gentle movie, it's an underrated, I think, comic movie.

There's like obviously a lot of the humor in the elevator.

Yeah, a lot of the humor across the film comes from like culture clash stuff, but the woman in the elevator is like,

there's an active shootout.

She opens the doors again and is like, wait, that's my car.

And I love the way that Harrison Ford, who's so measured through most of the film, is just like, geeky, you idiot.

Right.

Yeah, he's a good, like, immediately snap.

So good.

I got the old Amish guy, our guy, Eli, Eli, explaining to Samuel why guns are bad.

Wait, you didn't, you're skipping the whole like Rachel nursing book back to health stretch.

I guess that's less of a scene and more like vignettes.

But okay, we'll come back.

It's trying to narrow it down to 10 scenes.

All right, well, we'll be coming back to that momentarily.

Eli put a pin in it.

Only God can take life.

There's never only one way.

I love that.

It's gorgeous.

What you take into your hands.

You take into your hands.

Yeah.

That's how I felt about my IBM ThinkPad back when my fingers wrote.

Yeah.

When you every word I typed in.

Right into my heart.

The gun of the hand, the keys of the hand.

I assumed that this was not what you were thinking of because as recently established mere moments ago, you're not a Lord of the Rings enthusiast, but this is like the most

Frodo

Gandalf

coded conversation in like the history of movies.

Like many

live deserve death.

Many who die deserve life.

Can you give it to them?

Do not be too quick to deal out death and judgment.

Even the wisest cannot see all ends.

No, you're not familiar.

Well, that's basically what this is.

That sounds like there's never only one way.

It's true.

Maybe, maybe Eli had it better.

Keep it in mind if you come across Gollum.

Eli, good character.

Opera singer.

Canadian opera singer.

Your favorite scene, Book and Rachel dancing in the barn.

You skip the milking?

All right, we've got it.

We're hitting some.

We're put the milking in what stage is the best.

Okay, all right.

I was going gonna listen to the whole movie fair enough okay the bar i don't want to yes i don't want to interrupt discussing the barn scene which is the most important scene in the history of film she broke the rule of the ordnung

that's another thing i like about this movie and when there's weird phrases and words but they're they're well laws and but we don't know what they are it's like oh she broke the rule of the ordnung

language i mean they're speaking yeah they're speaking the oh no ordnung is in trouble yeah um where when do we want to talk about this scene in more detail here

later.

Yeah, it also gets the Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness Award because it's the only scene with music.

Yeah, absolutely.

This is a

fantastic needle drop.

Yeah, listen, it's on.

There's some consummation.

That's some actual consummation.

She didn't get to join the nine-time club.

Not yet.

She's got to wait for that.

Sometimes it's hard.

We have more scenes to go through.

Sometimes it's hard to decide.

Okay, I love a lot of these scenes.

and I do love a lot of scenes in this movie.

What is the pick for most rewatchable scene?

Well, I knew this would be your

easy.

And we've done,

you've done a ton of pods.

I've had the privilege of joining you for the couple dozen rewatchables over the years.

This is the single easiest category pick for me in any of the pods we've ever done.

Wow.

This is the most rewatchable scene because it is maybe my favorite scene in a movie ever.

I texted you last night, including like

illustrating the video.

Are you videotaping the scenes different years ago?

How many different times on my camera roll I have just filmed my TV while this scene is on?

Like, I don't know why I do that.

I could just go to YouTube

or like put in the DVD of which I have multiple copies.

Like, I don't know why I feel compelled to like film it on my phone, but then I can just look at it.

Um,

we haven't actually talked about this very much yet, but I think one of the things that makes this such a beautiful film, and one of the reasons it's my favorite, genuinely, is like, I think that this is a masterpiece.

It's like a

portrait of desire, right?

This movie is about

yearning.

It's about something that you want, but you don't know if you should have it.

And there is not a scene in, there are plenty of scenes in this film where that desire is palpable.

We'll talk about some of them elsewhere, but like, this is the ultimate encapsulation of that.

The fact that, like, the music is playing because he gets the car battery going, and it's not supposed to be.

So that's ultimately why Eli comes up.

It gives us that framework of just like, these people are from a different world.

You can't forget that.

This is another moment where you have that kind of trance, like the camera swings from book to Rachel.

The lighting is different behind her than it is from him.

And she's just like utterly absorbed and swept up.

How could you not be if Harrison Ford was like wrapping you in his arms and singing?

I think you would just orgasm and die, basically.

I think that's how it would go.

Right?

I don't know, probably.

Loved learning and researching for the pod that he picked the song.

I had not known that.

That was not a thing I knew.

They couldn't get the race for it.

Yeah, it's not Sam Cook.

It's a cover, but still.

When he, when the music kicks in and he's like, oh yeah, this is great.

And then he stands up and he looks over the roof of the car and he's drumming.

And then he kind of turns his head and he just stares at her for a second.

That taught me what sex was, even though it's not a sex scene.

Like it is just

unbelievably

powerful and incredible and they look great.

It's awkward.

It's clumsy.

There are moments where you think they're going to kiss and then they don't.

There are moments when they're giggling.

They're dripping in sweat because the barn is hot.

It's just absolute perfection.

Gorgeous.

And it just looks so good.

It led to a possible shunning of her.

Yeah.

Eli's like you're going to get shunned.

And she says, don't shame me.

And she says, you shame yourself, big guy.

Let me fuck Harrison Ford.

I like the whole concept of shunning.

What Game of Thrones?

What was the, what did they call it in Game of Thrones?

Shunning?

No, the what when she had to do the walk of shame.

Oh, the walk of shame, Cersei's Walk of Shame.

Mother's Mercy, shame, shame, shame, the shame bell.

I'm gonna talk about walk of atonement.

I'm gonna talk to Spotify HR.

You want to do a walk of atonement?

No, see if shunning can come back as part of the HR value.

I do think they would have some valuations on incorporating the walk of atonement.

We need to put a shunning in.

What's your sept of bailer and what's your red keep in that scenario?

I don't know.

This scene's really good.

I put the barn raising in there because

for some reason, it's riveting.

It shouldn't be a good scene.

It should be the scene where you go to like a popcorn or pee.

It's incredible.

And yet, and plus it feels Harrison Ford, former carpenter,

feels like he's really like, no, no, guys, I got this.

That making Samuel the wooden toy, fixing the birdhouse, all of the little nods and wings to his history as a carpenter, great stuff.

Daniel, in the beginning of that scene, like, how's your hole?

about his gunshot when how's your hole it's always kills me and makes me laugh and he's like yeah it's good the whole the hole's good my hole let me tell you about let me tell you about rachel's holes you know i'm about to do some exploring uh and then daniel's like you should just go then if If you're healed and you're fine, get out of here.

You know, three parts milk, two parts linseed oil and some shitty tea.

Pack up.

Let's go.

I'm trying to move in.

But then when they start to build this thing together, even Daniel, like when they share the lemonade, Daniel passes book the lemonade, like he has been absorbed into the community.

But then to your point from earlier, we shift into the lunch break and Rachel, the fact that like for us, it's wonderful.

For Eli, for Daniel, for everyone else, the audacity that she pours books drink first, right?

And then you have the great little like needle point moment with the woman who's like, a lot of talk, lot of talk.

Group chats are buzzing with talk about you and that's like your mom.

Totally.

Mallory, a lot of talk.

A lot of talk.

There's a lot talking in the family right now.

A lot of talk.

So that scene is just beautiful.

And like, it is such a

great portrait of community, much like at the end when Samuel, you know, rings the bell and everybody actually does come.

Like it's important to understand what life would be.

We have moments where Rachel's like, you know, people come in and they like want to take our pictures and they just walk in our yard and it's fucking rude, right?

Yeah.

And then you see like whether you would ever want to live this way or you agree with this way of life or you're a pacifist or whatever, you're religious, any of it.

It's like you see something in that moment that is beautiful, right?

And you understand why it's valuable to them.

Well, they got married.

Time to build, time for everybody to chip in, build them apart.

These folks need a barn, man.

They need a barn.

My next scene is: I just wrote down SpongeBass Stare Down.

Which

is apparently a great porn search.

I was afraid to Google SpongeBass Stare Down.

SpongeBass scenes in movies on my computer.

Like a media virus.

I did it on my phone.

Yeah.

Good acting here by Harrison Ford as well.

I mean, this is another.

I really want to step in here, but just so you know, I can't.

So I'm going to look away.

This is a great part of the movie.

The way that it starts with, you know, the lightning strike in the sky, like literally the crackle of electricity in the air, right?

He's on the porch.

She's on the swing, looking through the glass chains.

She sees him.

She's pouring the hot water.

Yeah, it's like she like

meets his eye as she's passing through.

It's an invitation.

She's working the speed bag a little bit, getting a sweat going.

Doing the lunges, stretches, getting limber, getting ready, hydrating.

It's crucial.

And, you know, the fact that like she's left the door open, right?

She wants him to see her.

And the first glimpse he's in the mirror.

And the way that she turns and just just like, you know, here I am, right?

And I have decided I'm not going to let Eli or anybody else tell me like what is right for me, what I can and cannot do.

There's a defiance, but also like a confidence.

And of course, it's very sexy.

And he is like,

this is basically like, I don't know what to do.

He has this look of incredible yearning and lust and desire on his face.

But also then that moment where he looks down, it's like she's consumed by exactly.

Look at that as boner.

Well, yeah, he's like, when she said, when you said earlier that you would like let out my trousers, I know you meant the extra hem on the bottom, but I could use a little more room in the crotch.

Yeah.

I'm packing something that Jacob wasn't.

Yeah.

You know, if we could get on that, that would be helpful.

But like, he's consumed by Doubt in that moment in a way that she actually isn't, which is kind of rewatchable character, the category, the

Amish Rachel.

Yes.

I'm asking for it, and I don't know how to make it any more clear.

Stare down.

Incorporate it from this pod forward.

Yeah, that's that's that stare of like,

come on.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Yeah.

Yep.

And then the crowd is in their seats.

Let's start.

Flocks on.

We're ready.

And then you like see him alone in his room.

You know, just like sitting on the bed, looking out the window, presumably when we cut away, frantically, feverishly jerking off.

No question, the masturbation.

Without a doubt.

Yeah, probably loud.

Yeah.

I mean, I he probably was dealing with a shunning the next day.

Book kicks the bully's ass.

This is the corniest 80s scene in the movie where we just had scenes like this.

Yeah.

I still like when he punches the guy.

And it's right on the heels of like, he's learned that his partner has been killed.

He's called Schaefer.

That phone call is great.

He's a little angry.

Great stuff.

And I like when he's like, you know, Eli's like, this isn't our way.

And he's like, but it's my way.

It's my way.

Great.

Motherfucker.

Great.

Bad guys show up.

Yep.

Samuel doing the runaway stop.

You're skipping the kiss?

We're going to get to the kiss later.

Okay.

It's a different category.

Okay.

Samuel running away, but then stopping.

Yep.

We get cows.

It's a chase scene, but cows like really involved for real.

Yeah.

We get a corn murder.

Yeah, the corn style out.

I can't believe it.

Benny Glover gets it.

Yep.

Samuel rings the bell.

And then

our guy Paul is the bad guy.

A little moral reckoning for him.

Yeah.

Unusual movie choice for the,

this is where the guy usually shoots himself in the head.

Right.

Or he gets shot because he's holding a hostage.

Yeah.

And he's just like,

Yeah, what happened to me?

Yeah.

And he just sinks to the ground.

He's like, God, I got, just take me away.

Well, like, we see him in the car in the next scene.

He's kind of stealth in there.

Yeah.

Harrison Ford.

He's in the back seat, just like,

I can't believe I'm going to jail.

That earlier, the phone call in the prior sequence where Book is like, you know, you lost the way, like kind of calling back to this lesson that clearly Paul had been the one to impart book in the first place.

That was really interesting.

The whole final sequence from the moment, like the car inches up the drive and then recedes from view, and you just hear the sound of the tires on the pavement, like it is just so good.

The corn silo to me, Fergie suffocating to death in the corn silo, that is like a really iconic movie death.

That's like just so, I think the way that they use

it's an all-timer

using the setting in a way that makes sense right like they i do have a smile i had this for picking nits i'll just do it now tell me

not sure you'd die you don't you would suffocate

you just got to stay above the corn it's i think the thing is that it's like it's less i mean ultimately he is buried by the corn but i think it's less that and more that just the air he can't breathe the air when he's trying to get a breath corn air so it's like the two it's like all the fibers because the end of that that's like this this hand that rocks the cradle when Julian Moore,

Rebecca De Bornay, rigs the glass house.

What were those called?

The greenhouse?

Yeah, the greenhouse.

Yeah.

And all the glass breaks on her.

She's like, ah, and just somehow dies.

It's like, would you die?

But there's no way out.

And the air is not breathable and it's falling.

The corn is falling for so long.

I buy it.

I believe.

I think you would die.

Oh, I would, I'd, I would be gone.

The moment the air got weird, I think the corn air, you're

some some new form of you get corn COVID corn it's like three degrees north of like my ideal temperature in here and I'm about to die just from this a corn silo I'd be it's a it's a wrap but um one of the great little like numbers I'm gonna fix that as we're talking great fancy controls dude look at this I did had I but known I would have asked uh an hour ago um

the I loved learning that

McPhee

was supposed to be killed by a mule.

He was like, so it was going to be farm death after farm death.

And then Harrison Ford is like, no, I'm going to shoot this guy.

Like, I didn't come all this way to not shoot this guy, but I like that we got both.

I like that we got Book having to basically, like, no functional fixedness.

He had to innovate.

He had to use his surroundings.

He had to use what he had learned.

You know, there was a scene earlier where Samuel takes him and they're the beautiful little scene with the kittens and they're down in the ground.

He's like, learned about the farm.

He spent time milking and learning about the way of life.

And he knows he's hiding, but also he's like, wait, I can like lure him in by dropping the corn and do this.

And then it's like, I'm going to go and dig out the shotgun.

He learned McPhee.

He learned some Americ skills.

Exactly.

He used his things.

All right.

So you have the barn scene.

Well, that's the first time.

Oh, I left that the farewells with the badge on boat.

But we talked about that already.

That's a beautiful one.

Okay.

So you didn't have the fish you want to talk about elsewhere.

You didn't have milking, which is sad, but will we have another opportunity to talk about you never had your hands on a teat before, not one this big?

We will.

Okay, great.

As long as that's going gonna come up again, I'm content.

I uh

I'm going hot take.

I really like the bad guys showing up as my favorite part of the movie.

It's like the final shootout.

I just love the corn.

It's great.

I like how weird films everything.

I like how you always know where we are.

I like how they use Samuel as like, oh, God, you just assume he's just going to wander back in and get shot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I just think it's a really fun,

all of a sudden, it's a thriller again out of nowhere.

Yes.

I love

calm me down.

I'm in my whole Amish world.

And then the switch flips again, but in the right ways.

Well, and you have the moment, too, with the, with the payphone call where Schaefer's like, we know, we know where you are.

But my read on that is they do not.

They only learn where he is after because he punches the townie and then we see the like local guy who's like, this is bad for business.

Tell the cops.

So that's how they learn.

So it's a mistake, ultimately.

But Book is leaving.

Like he is leaving.

He's said his goodbyes.

They've had their final night, which I guess we'll talk about elsewhere.

And the fact that it's such a near,

like the fact that that almost didn't happen that confrontation in that place in that way, but they made it there just in time to challenge him.

It's really good.

I like to when notice how it's getting colder in here.

It's

feels great.

Schaefer taking Rachel

hostage.

And I love the like

this little moment there where Schaefer and Book are just screaming at each other.

Yeah.

Like, let her go, Paul.

Paris Ford's really good at when he's angry.

You really feel like he's actually angry.

Really?

I can't believe you're not picking the Wonderful World barn dance.

I can't believe it.

You know why?

You know why I'm not picking it?

Because I'm a man.

And men don't like it.

It's a scene for you and my wife.

It's my wife's favorite scene, too.

I would expect so because she's a woman of taste.

What's the most 1985 thing about this movie?

Yeah.

So Book Makes a Honey.

That's great coffee joke, which I think was an ad back then, but I couldn't find the ad.

Folgers.

And apparently, Harrison Ford wanted to do this because he had gone out for that commercial.

And so it was like a little bit of a nod to a commercial that he couldn't do.

In 2025, that joke makes no sense.

Great moment, though, because they're like, we don't know what you're talking about because we don't have a TV, so we don't watch commercials.

Perfect.

And he's also just very charming as the coffee salesman.

My two nominees for this are.

And I think ultimately the 84 thing about the movie, 85 thing about the movie filmed, released, it's kind of hard because like everything in Amish Country is a time capsule of a different moment.

I have an answer I didn't give you yet.

What were your two?

Okay, my two nominees for you are either just Elaine Book, the sister character, full stop, like everything.

The mullet, she's in a bathrobe, and basically every scene.

I have a guy home.

You got a man in the house, and the kids are upstairs.

There's a deleted scene where her kids are with Samuel at the kitchen table, and they show him Donkey Kong.

He gets to play Donkey Kong, and it's

Count Chocula, the Sunkiss Can, all of that.

So it's either that or the fact that Book calls Carter and is basically like, get rid of the files, like hide the files.

And then for the entire movie, Schaefer, McPhee, and Fergie can't find them because the address was only written on a piece of paper.

Like, that just wouldn't happen now.

It's in the system.

It's in the platform.

Like, it's somewhere.

Yeah.

What's your good candidates?

That is not the answer.

Tell me.

So the

score by Maurice Jerry.

It's a beautiful score.

Electronic score.

Yeah.

Which somehow in the Oscar.

You don't.

I just don't think in 2025 that's the score.

It feels very 1980s

trying to like, oh, look how cutting edge our electronic score is.

And now when I hear it, I'm like, that feels like 1985 to me.

It just wouldn't be in a movie now.

It's weirdly good and completely dated and rooted in the exact era that they made it.

Interesting.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I like the score.

I think it's like very.

Just wouldn't happen though.

Yeah, it puts you in the mood.

But yeah, it is of a moment of time.

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All right, I know everyone's on the edge of their seat.

Not many people have a category named after them in the rewatchables.

You have the Mallory Rubin Award for did this movie need a better sex scene?

Yep.

I can't think of a better movie for this question than Witness.

Yep.

What's the answer?

I think I'm about to stun you because my answer to this prompt is almost always yes.

Because

I don't think you've ever answered no.

I like to watch people fucking movies.

You've never said no.

I think that Harrison Ford is the hottest person who's ever lived.

He's my number one all-timer and I like to watch him have sex in movies.

And as we've discussed before on other pods, it's actually really rare for Harrison Ford to have like a graphic sex scene in a movie.

Like when he's pumping away and presumed innocent, you're like, I don't actually actually see this a lot.

There's a lot of sex in his movie, but not a lot of like overt sex scenes.

I think the answer to did this movie need a better sex scene is no.

I think it is a perfect choice.

And it's fascinating to learn that the script had a sex scene in it.

Obviously, they fuck after the kiss.

We don't see it.

And I think that's the right choice because the movie is, as we have discussed, about

it's about the buildup.

It's not actually about the culmination.

It's about the longing and the wanting and the yearning and the craving and the thinking and the wondering what would it be like.

It's about all of the little moments where they're watching, either Rachel's sponging him or he's watching her sponge herself or they're dancing in a hot bar and dripping sweat or she watches him, she hands him the lemonade and he takes it down to one gulp and it's like dribbling down his chin.

And she's just like, I need a private moment.

Yeah.

That's what it's about.

Watching them kiss, I think tells us that watching them fuck is not the point.

It's about all of the moments that lead up to it.

What do you think?

I think that's the right answer.

Yeah.

There could have been a book solo scene they could have added that would have been pretty traumatic.

They could have added a five-minute postscript of books back in Philly, and then the movie ends with Alexander Goodenough

just having sex, and she's just staring in the ceiling thinking of books.

We'll get a little thought bubble.

Yeah, that's just the ending, just her looking like a fucking book in a bale of hay.

Yeah.

I think it's the right move.

Yeah.

What's age the best?

We mentioned the script and some of the choices, especially the last 15 minutes.

I'll start here, though.

And I know you have a bunch.

Try not to have too many.

How many do you have?

Only a handful.

Okay, good.

Yeah.

What's age the best?

There's a moment where Harrison Ford's holding a cat and you held the screenshot.

You sent the screenshot of that to me yesterday and you said, this picture is the highlight of my life.

I believe what I said was, when I die, just assuming I'll be dead before you and you'll be at my funeral.

Very possible.

It's entirely possible.

I think it's likely.

When I die, put this on a tapestry and drape it over my casket.

I believe what I said.

Like one of those vinyl, homemade vinyl pussy.

I would like you to consider that a formal request, and I would like it to be honored.

Did you feel like he liked holding the cat?

Was it a loving hold of the cat?

I feel like someone who made the movie was like, we don't have a sex scene, but we should see Harrison Ford stroke a pussy at some point.

You know, we should probably see that.

John Book has to get some pussy.

I had dirty cops.

Yeah.

Just in general in any movie I like, but I like the concept here of they lost the meaning that John Book says.

They lost the meaning.

Yeah.

Paul lost the meaning.

What do you have?

Give me a couple.

Okay, we already talked about just Harrison Ford's 1980s, just the best decade and the early 80s, mid-80s, best stretch ever.

We already talked about just the restraint in the filmmaking, the focus on the eyes, the faces, the glances,

the number of moments.

Like one of one, an example we haven't talked about yet actually is when Book wakes up from being nursed and Rachel has kind of fallen asleep and it's just he's on his side, so it's just one eye looking up from the pillow.

It's like,

we have it with Samuel with what he has witnessed.

We have it in all of the looks that pass between Book and Rachel.

It's just like incredible.

The portrait of desire and all of the little moments building toward this thing that they know they can't have.

I think that the something we haven't talked about yet, because we didn't really talk about the

like opening funeral scene in great detail or the nursing scenes is like

the visual choices with the lighting.

John Cale and Peter Weir both talked about how there was like literally a Vermeer exhibit at the Philadelphia Museum of Art at the time.

So they like went to see all these paintings of the Dutch masters and decided to basically light the movie that way.

So the number of scenes where it's just, there's just an oil lamp or there's just like a little bit of light coming from the left side through a window.

And the way that that sort of heightens the like naturalistic setting and your belief of like where you are there.

And also then, of course, helps to heighten this like clash of big city hotshot cop coming into Amish country.

That's all really, really great.

I guess another thing, we've kind of talked about this, but like the casting, I mean, obviously, like, you don't have to be a genius to put Harrison Ford in your movie, but putting him in this role is inspired.

And obviously, and he talks about like, I was coming coming off Temple of Doom, like, I wanted to do something different.

But the rest of the cast, like,

discovering Kelly McGillis, Lucas Haas is seven and eight years old when he's making this movie.

Uh,

Alexander Gutenov is a marriage.

And by the way,

right.

Lucas Haas could have ruined the movie if he's badness.

Yeah.

If we don't like Samuel, the movie falls away.

Exactly.

Jan Rubes is a Canadian opera singer.

It's like a lot of the people in the movie had basically no experience, and they have to share air with the most powerful movie star in the history of the world.

Like the fact that that works and is so the balance and calibration is so expert is like really astonishing.

I had for Woods Age the best the fact that Lucas Haas eventually became the right-hand man in Leo's pussy pussy.

Yep.

Would not have predicted that from the little Amish kid.

No.

No.

He was basically the, I don't know, the Scotty Pippin to Leo's MJ.

Yeah.

definitely.

Or was Toby Maguire Pippin?

Maybe he was Horace Brown.

Yeah.

He might have been Horace Brown.

I think Toby might have been Pippin in that scenario.

But that's how he had this whole second life: it was like Toby, Leo, Lucas Haas.

I think Kevin Connolly was in there.

A couple others, but yeah.

Great stuff.

Great stuff.

It's 4:30.

Time for milking.

It's just really funny.

Sensational.

That whole scene is great.

You've never had your hands on a teat before.

I'm that big.

And then the Eli.

Have you ever heard the word teat?

Teat, sure.

yeah of course teat yeah I like when they call Ford the English the milking hat

um Alexander goodnuff this is a what stage the best yeah just the Wikipedia deep dive of him what happened to him sad yeah yeah very he was kind of like so he comes in he dates Jacqueline Bissette the single most beautiful woman who ever lived or at least the top five yeah yeah um

and he's with her for most of the 80s he's in diehard but apparently just had like this massive drinking problem he died really young And died of alcoholism, basically.

Very good.

Like in his early 40s, but it was a way more interesting 10 minutes than I was expecting.

And then no actual Amish were in the film because they do not like to be photographed.

Right.

But

they were all at the filming kind of watching and,

but you couldn't film them.

I like the little nuggets.

Peter, we were saying, yeah, they were watching when Harrison Ford punched a Tanni and they were all like, ah, you're going to have to do that.

But like, yeah, the fact that they had a lot lot of the extras are Mennonites because they would be willing to participate, but the Amish wouldn't was interesting.

What's age the best?

Uh, just them not filming any dialogue with the last scene with Book and Rachel.

Is it What's Age the bester?

It's horrible to think about the alternative where they just talk to each other for

big Kahuna Burger Award, best use of food or drink.

I mean, this is the corn drop.

Oh, yeah, I guess it is.

We have a murder with food.

It's you're right.

There's a lot of other good options, but there is a corn murder.

This could be where we talked about the milk scene.

No, the milk scene's great, but we have a corn murder that has to win.

Yeah, you're right.

Using corn as a lethal weapon is serious.

Great Shack Order Award, most cinematic shot.

I think SpongeBob, all the way they're using the cameras and the mirror and the lighting.

That would be my vote.

Who am I to argue?

I think you could pick that.

I think you could pick the look that the book gives Rachel from over the over the roof of the car and the barn.

This was where I was going to highlight and toast young Lucas Haas and his eyes.

I think that, and it's actually, I think,

really fascinating to hear John Steele basically like, because this is, I think, one of the most like iconic shots in movie history, just his Samuel's eyes through the crack in the door.

Oh, yeah.

And John Steele,

he's basically like,

this shot is out of focus.

And I never forgot it for my entire career.

Like the director is always going to pick the best performance, not the crispest shot.

And I all, and like, I took, I left this movie and I was like, every frame has to be perfect.

Like, you can't miss it once.

But the stories about

Peter, we are going to young Lucas Haas and saying,

because he didn't want him to see the scene.

He didn't want to star him by showing him a fake murder.

And so instead, he went to him and said, you're letting the movie down.

I need more.

I need you to imagine the most terrible thing that you could possibly think of.

Not going to show you a clearly fake murder, but I am going to make sure you're in therapy for the rest of your life by putting the burden of this entire film on your shoulders.

So, that fear in his eyes is basically because Peter Weir was like, kid, you're going to fuck up the entire movie.

So, when you were eight, that would have been like Cal Ripken getting hurt.

What would it have been?

Oh, man.

Yeah, that would have been, that would have been

like

Bobby or tearing his knee again.

The chess Rockwell Brock Landers were our best character name.

John Books, pretty good.

I think it's got to be John Book.

Perfect.

I threw in, I didn't tell you this one, the Ed Norton reverse dunk award for did this movie need a random sports scene.

Oh, it's only an hour 42, something like that.

Could we have snuck in a little

the Amish throwing the football around?

Yeah, a little bit.

Maybe, maybe Daniel and John Book having a catch, but he's like, can't really throw it, and Daniel's just whipping, or maybe there's a touch football game with the Amish

wearing hats.

That would be great.

Or maybe they're just playing dominoes.

I don't know.

The Amish could have been doing something fun.

I like this.

Seeing Book and Samuel Bond tossing around the ball.

Shuffleboard table.

That would have been great.

Amish just love shuffleboards.

I'll take your word for it.

Darts?

Maybe some darts?

All right.

You have a choice for a flex category.

What is it?

Chris is not here with us today.

And so I have decided to honor him

by doing the Sean Penn.

I brought my own pack award for excellence in on-screen smoking.

Because the first scene after the climactic shootout and Schaefer, the book besting Schaefer, we pan all of these cars, all of these cops, and Harrison Ford, the coolest person who has ever lived, effortlessly cool, is just leaning casually against the car, smoking.

And he's firing the lung dark.

I did notice that.

It is so clearly just Harrison Ford enjoying a cigarette.

Yeah.

And it is perfect.

It is perfect.

Yeah.

Butch's girlfriend award for a week link of the film.

This is this.

I had a hard time with this.

I have one.

Tell me.

Hey, Rachel, you're a grieving widow.

Why does it it seem like you're in the stepdad market pretty fast here?

Okay, can you grieve your dude for like a month?

I mean, this is like counterpoint.

She's on Tinder, Amish Tinder, basically.

She's not.

Daniel's already like

lining up.

She's giving John Book the googly eyes.

Yeah.

Okay.

You're wrong.

Jacob's in the dirt.

Like, I'm not even decomposed yet.

What are we doing?

All right.

Here's the counterpoint.

Here's why I think you're wrong.

I'm not wrong.

She has no interest in Daniel.

Daniel, this was one of my picking nits, actually, is that Daniel

literally doesn't even wait until after the funeral, at the funeral, at Jacob's funeral.

He's hitting on Rachel.

He's putting the moves on Rachel.

The Amish move fast.

You got to get married in the Amish community.

Apparently, so Rachel is not interested.

It is not about her moving on quickly.

It is simply that John, the appeal of Harrison Ford is too, it's impossible to resist.

I think she's at the stepdad's store.

She takes off the bonnet, the marital bonnet, specifically to go

hook up with Harrison Ford.

She didn't take that bonnet off for fucking Daniel.

How do you feel like Jacob's feeling in the ground?

I think he's like, I also would have fucked Harrison Ford.

I get it.

I get it.

She could have had 10 seconds on when Jacob died.

It rocked my world.

They moved on from Jacob quickly.

It's true.

You're right.

She didn't even seem that sad after the funeral.

She's like, I'm going to go to the train.

Whoa.

What do we know?

What do we know about Jacob?

What do we know, really?

Jacob might have sucked.

Did you have a week link?

I have one.

I didn't feel like super strongly about it, but

I don't know that John Book, a character who I love and think is, I'm not sure if I've mentioned this, really handsome.

I don't know if he is concerned enough, like appropriately concerned about his partner Carter and his sister Elaine.

Be just being murdered by people looking.

Well, McPhee, like, okay, a cop was killed in a train station.

Then McPhee comes to him and tries to kill him in the parking, in the parking garage.

He knows Schaefer's in it.

And when he's on the phone with Carter and he's like,

okay, yeah, get rid of the documents.

You know, there's, this is like a, this is Schaefer's in on it.

Tell no one.

And it's like, what should we do?

FBI, reporter?

And he's just like, let me think about it.

It's like, book,

let's see a little bit of urgency to his sister, hide my car.

It's like, they're probably going to open the garage.

The move is to leak to a newspaper, get the story out.

I thought that

the reply to that of like, they're going to want to talk to Samuel was like decent cover, but not cover.

Yeah, he's not concerned enough that these people who he loves are going to have harm befall them, which, of course, happens.

What's age the worst?

I've never understood the Amish beards.

I'm not here to judge facial hair, but just

shaving the mustache, but keeping the beard.

Okay.

The good news is

work.

People are going to listen to this and be offended.

Definitely.

They're not listening to this.

They probably don't listen to podcasts.

I've just never understood the beard.

Nobody's tried it in the NBA.

LeBron's not like, here's my, this year I have an Amish beard.

I have no mustache, but I have a thick beard.

I just don't get the look.

You're growing a summer beard right now.

Would this have been your pick if you weren't currently in the midst of beard season?

I was thinking about shaving it, and I was just going to shave the mustache and come in with the Amish beard.

You could have done it.

I see buttons on your shirt, so you're not quite plain enough.

I've just never understood the Amish beards.

I I have one big one, but do you have any what's aged the worst you lose?

We already talked about that.

I think the Academy Awards results from this year have aged the worst.

We talked about that.

I think certainly racially profiling T-Bone has aged the worst.

That's different.

I had that in Picket Knits, but same thing.

He brings this poor Amish widow and her traumatized son to some bar in South Philly.

Horrible.

Pulls out a black guy.

Is this him?

Very bad.

That has aged the worst.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

What else do you have?

What's your big one?

This is the big one.

tell me the slow motion makeout scene is bad it's a bad scene and she starts laughing in the middle and i texted you last night there's top gun maverick tom cruise jennifer connolly flashbacks yeah

you know i obviously uh i got i started dating my wife in 1998 I haven't had a lot of makeout experience with different women since 1998.

Yeah.

But I did back in the day.

Oh.

I don't remember anyone.

Well, I don't remember anyone hysterically laughing as I was trying to make out with them.

I feel like I would have been completely traumatized.

It's like not the reaction you want when you're making out with somebody.

It's just start laughing.

Well, have you considered?

Very strange.

Listen,

have you considered that with love and respect, you know, the baby blues, you look great.

You're not Harrison Ford.

And I just.

So you think she's like, I can't.

I think she's like, this is.

This is the greatest moment.

Yeah.

I think it's like

a director.

Yeah.

And I think

there's something about their kiss that is like

almost feral, right?

And I love that it is like a combination of this like sorrowful, mournful, like we know.

I just think they would be going at it.

I think they're just going at it.

They are.

In the next scene, they're like knocking over all of the all of the

buckets of milk and fucking in the bar.

How about this?

No more laughing during makeout, first makeout scenes, Hollywood.

Just get rid of it.

It's fair.

Vits and choice a word.

Are we sure this character was actually good at his job?

John Book.

Yeah.

yeah um

what's your plan here well i mean

you're hiding in amish country endangering everybody there you're endangering your partner yeah you're endangering your sister and her kids i don't have a lot of kids and you're just like uh hey i'm gonna i'll help you make this barn today

yeah get to heal us whole is that lemonade the lemonade looks great it looks very refreshing uh the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge overacting word.

I'm going with Eli's overlaugh after you've never milked a teat before.

And there's a pause, and then he's like,

How dare you?

Well, I'm just throwing it in there.

I didn't have one.

I didn't have one for this.

This is a hard one.

It's a very understated.

Do you have a CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford?

How does Take Award?

I do.

I don't think you're going to like it.

Okay, let's hear.

Okay.

Let me see if I can

express what I mean here.

My

hottest take about the movie, despite what we talked about already, it's undeniably a thriller.

I think it is a Western.

It is a genre mashup, fish out of water, love story.

I don't think it's really a cop movie.

Here's why.

It is, of course, a movie that features cops, but the cop plot is we got to make Samuel the witness.

We have to imperil Book, Samuel, and Rachel.

We have to establish Book as this fish out of water in Amish country.

But it's much more like

mechanism and fact than core focus.

Like, I don't think the movie is ultimately very interested in.

We basically get one

brief explanation of like what actually happened.

I don't think this is the hottest take because if it was interested in the cops, we would have spent more time in the police station and had one of those like police station scenes with people moving around and the sergeant yelling at somebody.

It doesn't care about any of that.

Exactly.

I think Peter Weir would like to agree with this, but I think a lot of people are like, Witness is like a cop movie.

I'm like, Is it?

I don't think of it that way.

No, it's a fish out of water movie.

It's like a double, it's a reverse fish out of water, yeah, like what you said earlier.

All right, tepid take

that wasn't tepid.

I think you're right.

I think people like it's like witness, and there's a gun, and it's but you're right, it's not that movie.

Um, I think this is Harrison Ford's best part of any part he ever played.

What do you mean by best part?

I just think this is the best part character role, and I'm putting it above Indiana Jones and Han Solo.

Hold on.

Best performance or the character is like the most consequential?

I just think this had the most meat.

I think it's the hardest part he played.

That's why it's hot to take.

I think

it was the hardest thing to land the plane on.

And I think only a couple actors could have played it over the years.

I think Redford would have tried, but he wouldn't have had the sexuality.

I think Brad Pitt could have done it.

I think Leo, maybe in like the mid-2000s, late 2000s, possibly.

Yeah.

But for the most part, I think this is a really hard play in the land.

I agree.

I mean, I think I don't agree necessarily that it's the but that it would be number one on the list, but I agree with everything you said about the part.

And I think the performance is great.

And I think he is just how many actors this is in the same movie if they're just the actor in it.

You're right.

I mean, the number of people who can, and the challenge of having in like a short span span of time in the film to look at Rachel during the Spongebob.

And then

when the dirty cops arrive, like instantly go into action hero motor.

I have to trust that he's an action hero.

I have to trust that he can have this connection with the little kid and with the little kid's mom.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I just think it was a really hard role.

I think that it's, it's, I think he makes it look easy is my point.

And I don't think that's an easy role.

I definitely agree with that.

My only, I don't disagree with anything you're saying about this role.

I would say Russell Crowe is the other one who could have done it.

Oh,

proof of life, Russell Crowe.

100%.

He doesn't, yeah, he's not.

You're not a proof of lifer.

It's just not quite the same like animal magnetism when you look at Russell Crow.

He has it in proof of life?

I guess so.

Yeah.

I think, okay, here's my only, maybe it's not a counterpoint to your argument.

I would put like, I would say maybe it's the case to make like

John Book, Han Solo, and Indiana Jones just 1A, 1B, 1C.

It's like, okay, Indiana Jones is you could argue the.

I throw in Kimbo just because he's so good in that.

I think you can make the case, and many people have, that Indiana Jones is the most iconic character in movie history, right?

Then I think you would say about Han Solo,

he is the, he's at the top of the coaching tree for the roguish scoundrel, and nobody has matched it ever.

We covered that in our four and a half hour Star Wars podcast.

Well, get ready to cover

empire, which is actually Han's movie.

Should have saved it for that.

Well, I saved you for that one.

I've rare, rare, everybody who works with you and loves you and cherishes you has a like, if you do this without me, I will really, I'll tell you, I'm okay with it, but I'll carry it to my grave.

I would, I would never do Empire.

Witness was one of them.

Empire is one of them.

And as you know, Bull Durham, which I assume will be our last pod together before we both retire.

Like in two weeks for me.

Casting What Is.

No, now I'm energized.

I got this new studio.

It looks great in here, man.

Casting What is.

Yeah.

Redford wanted to be in the movie, approached the producers, and they kind of pushed it off because they, he had the reputation at that point for he would come in, start changing stuff because Robert Redford, kind of a dick.

This is my favorite thing you do.

It's not a thing.

Well, just a fact.

I'm just a student of Hollywood history.

Sure.

These guys literally were like, no, thanks, Robert Redford.

We'd rather find another actor.

I get it.

David Cronenberg turned it down.

That would have been...

I don't understand.

I didn't understand.

I don't understand that as a potential match.

Burt Reynolds in his biography said he wanted the lead role, but backed off.

That would have been terrible.

Apparently, Isabella Rossellini was offered the lead and said no.

I don't know.

It's half-assed.

I can see that.

I'll just read this for you and you decide how you feel because he is.

We should mention Harrison Ford, notoriously a little cranky.

That's the reputation.

Part of his charm.

Yeah.

When Feldman and Weir were impressed with McGillis right away, Ford took some convincing.

He didn't think she was a good choice for the role and only came around when Weir gently chastised him for not trusting the director's instincts.

And then it was like, you get a feeling from the research.

I don't think that Kelly McGillis and Harrison Ford were like going to Dodger games after this movie.

I think it was like, hey, nice working with you.

I'll see you later.

Interesting.

They have such unbelievable chemistry that like, it's hard for me to.

imagine that to be true.

Good actors.

So is your take, is your read on that that that was about her or that it was more of a product of like Harrison Ford being like, why can we not fill any of these other roles with like people who have acted before?

I think it was like that.

Where did we get this person?

She was a waitress.

A lot of like people who have acted before.

Yeah.

Best that guy award.

So John Buck's partner.

He's the that guy.

Carter, yeah.

Most famously in another 48 hours, a terrible movie that I've watched like 12 times.

He uh he's he's working for the ice man, but I just, that guy's, I don't even know that guy's name.

Deion Waiter's award, evil danny glover is eligible oh just wanted to mention that interesting i didn't think he would be eligible okay that's compelling i i thought this was an easy one for patty lapone as book's sister with the mullet and this is a remarkable use of one of the great theater performers of our time it's weird because she's making movies for a couple years there because she was in this tom scared pigelani movie yeah recently starred in agathall along a watchlman in the 80s it was like is she trying to be an actor actor?

Meanwhile, she's one of the great theater people.

Yeah.

This is just like.

I vote for Evil Dana Glover.

Okay.

I do like when Elaine is like, anybody who knows John knows that's a goddamn lie.

That's real Deion Wader stuff to me.

Recasting Couch Director City.

You can't.

Where are you going to put this other than here?

What?

You can't put this anywhere other than Lancaster or York.

Where could this possibly be?

What about role?

Have somebody for the Kelly McGillis part.

Tell me.

Well, so if you wanted to go like relatively anonymous, I think there's a Gina Davis case.

Oh.

She'd really only been in Fletch and was

really been in nothing, but was just a cute tall brunette with curly hair.

But I think, I think she could have been in it.

That's a good one.

I mean, I think Kelly McGill is great in this movie.

What about my queen, Michelle Pfeiffer?

It's a year after Scarface.

No, this does a lot of Michelle Pfeiffer stuff, or just a lot of like staring and longing and faces.

I mean, things she's good at.

I'm fine with keeping Kelly McGillis.

I just want to talk it out.

I think that, like, when Peter Weir basically says that famous American actresses know too much to be believable as Rachel, he's sort of talking about like, oh, Michelle Franklin.

I think we're a friend.

I think Gina Davis, maybe.

That's a good one.

I'll quickly rip through some half-fascined research.

Tell me.

I love Ford spent time with Philly PD Homicide.

I always love that anecdote in the rewatchables.

Like, just how weird that would be for the Philly PD.

Like, see, you know that actor, the Han Solo, Han Solo guy?

Indiana Jones is in the car tonight.

He's going to come with us on a couple.

Yeah.

I like, too, that he did the research with the ride-alongs with the cops and Kelly McGillis went and like lived with an Amish family.

She lived with an Amish widow and her seven children and learned how to milk cows and practice the dialect.

And Harrison Ford is basically like, I didn't do any research on the Amish because books not supposed to know about them.

Right.

Which makes sense, but is also to me very reminiscent of like

a young Rupert Grint, Ron Weasley, saying like, Alfonso Coron asked us to all do homework assignments on our character for Prisoner of Azkaban, and I didn't turn mine in.

And then my excuse was Ron Weasley would not have done his homework.

Right.

Using your character as cover for not doing it.

I love it.

Harrison Ford's like, I couldn't do research.

I was having sex with nine people a day.

You try to schedule two research trips when you're fucking nine chicks every day.

The Amish wouldn't have sex with me.

The

barn raising scene, you mentioned it was a short paragraph

and then they blew it out, but it wasn't supposed to be what that was.

So the corn silo death.

Yeah.

The corn was dropped onto the actor, but there was a scuba diving regulator with an air tank underneath.

This is actually like.

You hear this and you're like, it's amazing that no one died.

That's insane.

Well, that's why they used an actor that i don't even know who that actor was they're like dude look it's 10 chance you're gonna die in this course

like don't worry we put a scuba tank yeah there's scuba there so that when you're actually about to asphyxiate you can just reach down into the corner grab it and it'll be fine that guy's now in a wheelchair uh

the national committee for amish religious freedom called for a boycott sure and then uh our guy karasawa

said witness was one of his favorite films of all time.

This is one of my favorite things I've ever learned.

Unbelievable.

I've been prepping for Rewatchable.

What a win for Peter Weir.

Yeah.

I mean, like,

curse how appraising your movie must be like one of the greatest things that could happen.

What do you do as a director?

I don't know.

Nothing, I guess.

I mean, maybe you go on to make other great movies like Dead Poets Society.

But yeah, that was awesome to learn that.

I thought that was so cool.

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All right, Apex Mountain.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't even know the answer for Harrison Ford.

It's probably not this.

It's.

This is tough.

Maybe somewhere in the 80s for him, though, I'm not sure.

It's this specific, but he does.

He has Raiders 2, Temple, Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom.

Yeah.

Jedi has come out 18 months before this.

He is,

I think it actually might be this.

I think there's a case because he's the least competition for all the parts.

He got nominated for best actor.

Like he's leveling up in terms of the prestige.

I think he's the first phone call after this movie for any movie he wants for a couple of years, though.

Yeah.

I mean, maybe it is this.

It's hard to argue against 80, 81, 82, Empire, Raiders, Blade Runner.

That's just,

how does that even happen?

But if you're talking about most juice.

But then you build up toward it also after doing all those things.

Yeah.

After being a Han Solo and Indiana Jones and Deckert,

I got nominated for best actor for playing John Book and this movie that nobody like, everybody passed on and didn't want to make got nominated for eight Oscars and made $117 million like, because I'm in it.

I'm a hero for the Amish.

Yeah.

McGillis, no, it's Top Gun.

Top Gun.

Yeah, for sure.

It's her putting on the sunglasses in the elevator trying to get frisky for cruise.

We covered that in the rewatchables a long time ago.

One of my favorite rewatches.

Two studios ago.

Oh, yeah.

A great one.

Yeah.

Another life.

amish movie characters

i cannot think of anything else that would be quite at this level and they could say yes yeah evil philly police

can't be probably can't be but i also couldn't think of another one seems impossible how about corn

silos apex bound for corn corn actually murdering somebody With love and respect to the Apple TV Plus show Silo that I do enjoy.

It's good, certainly for corn silos.

I think this is number one.

Not sure about corn.

SpongeBass?

Corn silos, yeah.

SpongeBass.

It's got to be this, right?

I had some questions about the sponge bath for later, but we can do it now.

Tell me.

Is it?

It's just the top of the waist sponge bath.

There's not, I gotta be honest.

I thought sponge baths were kind of like a full body experience.

I had some questions about that too, especially like it's clearly warm, it's sticky, it's sweaty.

I think if you're about to be intimate with someone, you'd want to do some rinsing in some other areas, I think.

That would be my note for Rachel.

But, you know, she's.

She's using a sponge bath, top half body, lower half body.

I would feel like lower half would be the focal point, maybe?

I think you do it all, ideally.

That's what I always thought was a sponge bath.

I think you do it all.

She's like a half bath.

Well, when she was sponging Book, when he was being nursed, you know, he's got the poultice and the tea, and she's dabbing him.

That was presumably all above the waist.

I don't think she went below the waist.

Yeah, how did John Book go to the bathroom and was there a bedpan?

It was questions I didn't even want to do and probably unanswerable questions.

And yet, here you are.

Evil Danny Glover, Apex Mountain, 100%, yes.

Although,

I will submit his performance in Shooter, a movie we've already done on the Rewatchables, when him and Ned Beatty are both evil.

Great one.

I really, I love evil Danny Glover.

Good enough.

It's Die Hard.

Die Hard, yeah.

Lucas Haas, yes.

Philly Train Station Movie Murders.

Oh, interesting.

I think it's Blowout.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh.

This is good, but I think Blowout's better and uses the station better.

Interesting.

I do like the trip we take with Samuel through the station.

We get to like look up at the war memorial.

He mistakes the acidic Jew for an Amishman.

Like

they make good use of the station.

They're sitting, they're waiting.

They've got to connect on the train to Baltimore.

There's a delay.

But yeah, it's a crowded field.

Vigo.

It's definitely him playing Oregon.

What's the guy's name?

Oregon.

so when i say to you the return of the king it means nothing to you

okay well that's a shame lucas haas i think it was um it's this a 2001 victoria's secret thing that him and leo were invited to that's fair it could be any any pussy possi uh any pussy posse escapade is probably truly his apex but it could be this what about peter weir

That's a hard one.

I think it's Dead Poets.

I think so too, because this is his first American movie.

So even though this was like really successful and well-received and heavily nominated, when he then is nominated,

what is that?

Three years, four years later?

Four years later, he's nominated again for best director for Dead Poets.

That's probably.

I think that movie had, as much as I love Witness, I think Dead Poets has a little more juice.

Even in the last 35 plus years with the cast it had.

They're both great.

The meaning for Robin Williams' career.

Both of of them are great, but I think Dead Poets.

It's an interesting one.

I think both of them have held up spectacularly well, which is crazy because it's the 80s.

Yeah.

Cruise or Hanks?

I think you could, you could, Cruise could be Book.

I think he could be.

So I went Hanks.

For Book?

Yeah.

No.

And I, as you know, I almost always pick Hanks for these.

No, I don't think so.

What's your case?

It's a tough one because I don't think either of them, I don't think it's a good role for either.

But I think Hanks, I could believe more as like a Philly cop.

Yeah.

Chiming in with the Amish thing.

I think the way he would have played the longing sex stuff with

Rachel, I just think he would have done it differently.

It wouldn't have been as like primal.

It would have been more like.

The counterpoint to Cruz is, of course, while we both love Top Gun, we have seen Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis in the future.

Well, so that's why I couldn't do it.

And we know what that's like.

That's why we couldn't do it.

We already know that the chemistry thing was tough with them.

You're right.

Yeah.

So

Scorsese or Spielberg, I went with Spielberg.

I think it's Spielberg.

I do think the version of this that Scorsese does where he really dials up the like neo-noir killer cop aspect is fascinating.

Did you see that he apparently turned this down?

Scorsese?

I didn't know of whether I should believe it.

I thought that set off my detector.

That was interesting to think about.

But then what it really sent me down a rabbit hole of exploring was why Martin Scorsese and Harrison Ford have never worked together, which is crazy.

I mean, obviously, like the Cape Fear, like, alternate history is astounding.

Probably a late 70s party incident would be my guess.

Yeah.

This is why you're you.

Yeah.

This is why you're you.

Yeah.

Also, he was with Melissa Mathson, who's with Spielberg, and Scorsese and Spielberg are buddies.

There's probably some history.

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

It's a tough one.

So he's 18 years old and 85, too young to be one of the companies.

No, but you could take any age.

That's part of the game.

You can go old Philip Seymour Hoffen.

Hmm.

I could see him.

The thing is, there ultimately aren't that many roles of prominence in the movie.

I was thinking Uncle Eli, maybe Uncle Eli is not as old.

And you just give him a nice little beard and he's just being Philip C.

Moorhoffen.

Or, because then you could have had for the Spongeback dancing scene, he could have been like, yo, book, how's the peeping?

How's the peepin'?

peepin'?

That would have been good.

That would have been great.

Picking knits.

We mentioned grabbing a black suspect out of the bar randomly and ramming him against the car.

Terrified Mashwiddo.

Terrible.

All right.

So

they save his gunshot infection with a poultice.

Yeah.

Three parts of milk, two parts of linseed oil.

Yeah, I did some research on this one.

It was a little shaky.

I also had underpicking that, should John Buck be alive?

Yeah, I mean, or did John Buck leave and then got some sort of terrible cancer like a month later?

The loss of blood alone, you just think he should have died.

But the,

and obviously, like, we hear it's warm, he's hot, he's got a fever.

It seems like he should have gotten an infection.

He's talking gibberish?

Yeah, he's having fever dreams.

Like, he should have probably died from an infection, I think.

Probably.

I'm glad he didn't, but he should have.

They're like, did we, we ran out of linseed oil.

You've got to go downtown.

Yeah.

Put that with the milk.

Put some more on the cloth.

Also, like,

I'm glad that everything else that happens in the movie happens, but

he had shot.

He's like building a barn mirror days.

He's fine.

Yeah.

He's throwing punches.

It's, I mean, saying he can milk a cow, sure, but like, he's hoisting Samuel up an entire level of a barn into the loft.

Doesn't that hurt?

Amazing recovery.

Bullet went right in and out.

Incredible.

And I did the corn suffocation thing already.

What did you have?

Anything else?

Okay.

I do.

This is where I don't want to like pick nits with the Samuel witnesses a murder scene because it's iconic, but

nobody hears Samuel taking a piss.

Does that make sense?

And they don't check the stalls.

Yeah, and like Fergie says, because Samuel has that little kind of like little chirp he makes so that, and then McPhee is like, starts to check the stalls.

And Fergie's like, I did that already.

But you did it already, but did you?

Did you miss the Amish kid taking a piss in an unlocked open stall?

And then there's some splashing of the water at the sink.

So you think maybe that would cover it?

But the cop they kill stops washing his face because he's like, something's happening.

He looks around.

There's no sound.

They should hear Samuel taking a piss.

I don't think that totally.

Well, to extend that,

this kid who has not really seen anything in his life all of a sudden has the wherewithal to be like, I'm going to hide it under something.

I like it.

I support it, but it could be picked.

That's an interesting one.

Like, would you have just kind of almost on like a base instinct?

Would he just be like frozen or would he actually be hide?

Or does the fact that he hasn't had his brain washed by Tom and Jerry cartoons and Brady Bunch reruns?

Yeah.

That he would actually have a fresh brain to know.

That's right.

Maybe the like animal instincts are purer there.

That's possible.

Um,

here's one for you.

Yeah.

We both really like the parking garage shootout.

It's great.

However, yeah, on the picking knits front, two things.

One, why does McPhee go alone?

Why doesn't he bring Fergie?

Why don't they go all in on killing Book?

Right.

Tag team it.

Book has gone to Schaefer and he's like, it's McPhee.

Okay.

He's not here.

I can't ask him.

He's in Florida on vacation.

And then obviously.

Maybe it was bowling night for Fergie.

Sure.

You're going after

Captain.

Detective Captain John Book to preserve

your PCP crime ring.

yeah 22 million dollars at stake 22 mil you have to ensure that he's he's killed so this is a two-part picking knit why don't they go in stronger and then

what is the explanation and excuse for mcfeet leaving that's the only chance they have i have to give the drop i have a mild picking knit with dirty cops when there's this much money

what do they do with the money because it's the great

question you can't spend it all you know yeah you'd be like hey i i just bought this seven million dollar condo right like arrowhead or something right be like you're a police sergeant how'd you do that so you basically just have to bury the money yeah you're saving it for retirement because they cut to paul's house at one point he's just like having the cookout with the hot dogs nice home back nice home yeah but the 22 billion dollars in pcp which i guess they're splitting yeah three ways he's getting at least five six mil what it do you just have to is there a a time where you're like when i turn 60 that's when i'm gonna buy probably portion yeah maybe they're investing right growing the fortune they've got some like at somebody somebody's noticing something in a way yeah well somebody did notice something yeah

um sequel prequel prestige all black cast are untouchable this is untouchable untouchable yeah i i

played it played out in my head like what a prestige and i just like no this is perfect we're in and out and the tension it would be hard to maintain over a full season, I think.

It's so perfect.

It's just south of two hours.

Perfect.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, No, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley in the firm?

I think the answer here is obvious.

Is it Wayne?

No.

Absolutely.

You think it's Wayne Jenkins?

Because the Baltimore Philly thing?

Exactly.

The dirty cop ring has extended to Baltimore.

Oh, to Wayne Jenkins?

They call Wayne in as a reinforcement.

Their fellow dirty cop.

Wayne is a dirty cop.

Their fellow dirty cop.

He just gets on the Acela, gets on the Amtrak, pops up.

I didn't know we were dealing with Super Milker.

Going down to the grain silo, hon

perfect.

Look at you, fucking other super cop.

Raising a barn.

Yeah, you're right.

It's definitely Wayne Jenkins.

Short, short trip for him, less than an hour and a half.

Exactly.

Easy.

Just one Oscar who gets it.

Harrison Ford.

come on i'm going movie

i do think this should have won best picture for sure and i think it's sort of silly that it didn't but over the span of history the fact that harrison ford doesn't have an oscar is i think honestly i think crazy well he'll get the honorary oscar before he

um what how is he old like 85 now he's 83 83 yeah probably an answerable question he looks great still

i have four really good ones for you but do you have any good ones um

i'm happy to power through.

I mean, I have some.

I don't know if they're good.

I guess you'll be the judge of that.

What happened to Jacob?

Rachel's basically supposed to be like 28 years old.

What happened to Jacob?

Did he get kicked by a mule?

I had that.

And then I had the asterisks of, are we sure Daniel didn't kill Jacob?

Love this.

Love this.

It's like, hey, we were milking the cow kicked him in the head and now he's dead.

This is great.

I mean, it's terrible.

It could have been illness, obviously.

He could have been sick, but like, I like the idea of some sort of farm-related incident and that Daniel might have been orchestrated.

But the thing is, well, the Amish didn't believe in any form of violence.

So if Daniel had it in him, I think he punches the bully or something.

True, you're right.

Daniel's not capable of it.

Here's the actual answer.

Maybe he celebrated it.

This is, this is a society where you treat a gunshot wound with milk and linseed oil.

So Daniel probably got bronchitis and just died.

It's entirely possible.

I can't breathe.

They're like, Daniel,

here's some butter.

Put this on your forehead and then stand upside down and the bronchitis will go away.

As two people who are often afflicted with bronchitis, maybe we should try it.

I mean, with some linseed oil, the three parts milk, two parts linseed oil.

It worked.

You know, listen, Kyburn, Jamie Lashler gets his fucking hand chopped off, and Kyburn's like, let's boil some wine.

And it was fine.

It was fine.

I never liked that that did that.

I was that hand.

Did Book

did Book and Rachel have sex or not?

Definitely.

This is, I think, canon.

Definitely.

Because

it is in the many different featurettes on the DVD.

There's a video essay called, see if I can remember all this, Show Don't Tell.

And in that, it is explicitly stated that in the screenplay, there is a sex scene.

So we're just decided not to show it.

Okay.

They kiss

on the hill, the inky sky, and then they go fuck.

I had this on my list, but not did they fuck.

My question to you for unanswerable questions is, where did they fuck?

Do they just fuck right there in the grass?

Like the bracky under the night sky?

Probably right on top of Jacob's grave.

Like just really ramming home to him.

Hey, Jacob, you already bummed out enough.

It's entirely possible.

I like to think that they because.

They probably went to one of those new barns that weren't done yet.

What?

Like, hey, there's a barn like five barns down.

They're not finished with it yet.

I hope they just went to the barn where the tension was so palpable during the dance.

It's a double shunning for her.

Fuck in the car,

fuck on the hay, fuck on the ladder, heading up to the loft, fuck on the back of the car.

He's got to have nine different stocks.

Was Daniel able to ever sexually satisfy Rachel after she had this experience with John Book?

I did think of that.

Well, I said earlier that the alternate ending of her just

sad sex.

Always.

I feel bad for Daniel.

I do.

Did Book and Samuel stay in touch?

This was one of mine as well.

Did they ever see each other again?

Did he write him a letter?

Did he go back?

I really hope that.

I feel like Book went back.

I feel like he went back to say hi to everybody.

Yeah.

I think he checked in.

Daniel probably didn't love it.

I think he checked in.

I think that was probably the end for Daniel and Rachel of their intimate acquaintance as a married couple once Book returned.

Book got a a letter from Samuel.

Eli's dead.

He got a hangnail and it got infected and he dropped dead

because

we decided to pour hot butter on it.

It got infected.

Here's my number one unanswerable question.

Okay.

Could Mallory Rubin have been Amish?

Is John Book there?

Because

if John Book is there and I can have sex with him in a barn or anywhere, or the answer is yes.

John Book's not there.

I'm less interested now.

I think I'm less interested.

Can I make the case?

Sure.

Yeah, I don't think you have TV.

I couldn't live without TV.

It seems like you do have books.

Sure.

I think the food looks extraordinary.

The food looks good.

You're getting all fresh.

Farm tables.

Yeah.

Locally fresh.

I was checking out some of the food spreads.

Just seems like kind of stuff you would like.

Butter and like ice cream made from fresh cream.

Fresh cream in my coffee.

Tomatoes.

Yeah.

As you know, I, a very healthy person focused on on wellness and nutrition, um, put heavy whipping cream in my coffee every day, it's delicious,

uh, and so I deepen in that.

It's so good, you don't really do that, do you?

Yes, I do, yeah.

Oh, my lord, if I'm out in the wild, I'll get oat milk just to you know, manage the situation, but at home, I do that.

That sounds delicious, it's great.

I'd really recommend it, it's really good.

Uh, so that part is a pretty good thing.

I got rid of half an half for like

two weeks once, like seven years ago, and started doing almond almond milk with my coffee.

Yeah.

And every day I was just sad the whole day.

It's not the same.

And I was like, you know what?

Coffee's the highlight of my day.

Yeah.

Makes me the happiest.

I love it.

I love having 20 ounces of coffee and going through texts and try it with heavy whipping cameras.

Seeing what the Dagos.

And why would I want to make that experience worse?

You wouldn't.

You shouldn't.

Heavy whipped cream.

That's it.

Really, unbelievable.

I don't think that I could deal without, like, I don't think I could survive without electricity.

Organized religion, not

for me.

I'm a believer in a nice shower head.

You know, I like a nice shower head, SpongeBob, not really.

I think the number one thing for me would be the no coffee.

That's the immediate deal breaker for me.

I could handle a SpongeBass.

They have coffee.

We got the like, that's great coffee moment, right?

So they have coffee.

They've grown, they're growing crops.

They have, they have food.

But is it like Folger's coffee or like actual, like, do you think they buy like the?

I don't know.

All right, you're right.

So they do have the coffee.

You'd be fine on that front, but you couldn't watch

sports.

No sports.

You couldn't listen to podcasts.

You couldn't record podcasts.

No sports would be a deal breaker.

Very tough.

Very tough.

I think I'd probably run out of things to say to people like Daniel after a couple of minutes.

Same.

You can't watch porn.

You just have to watch somebody in your house take a sponge bath.

That's as good as it gets.

I don't know.

It's limiting.

Like, what is minute four of a Daniel conversation looking like?

So, what'd you do today?

Oh, we hope Bob build a barn.

Oh, how was it?

It was good.

Same as the last barn.

Yeah.

Yeah, it went up.

Cool.

The Zewat Nay Award for what happened the next day.

So she married Daniel.

I mean, not immediately, but the courtship is a little bit different.

This is like Titanic level.

I had one night with a guy, and it rocked my world to the point where I threw this $2.5 billion necklace in the water.

I think so.

I think that was her version of this.

completely agree.

I think that that moment is occupying a lot of her interior life moving forward what piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie i had a hard time with this one this was harder than it typically is for the movies because like um i'm inclined to say i would pick the sponge that rachel used to give john yeah that'd be weird

because like it touched him but do other people know what that is if they see it on my shelf maybe not uh the milking hat you know that could be fun but

The Harrison Ford Amish hat?

Yeah, the Amish hat or the milking hat.

I didn't have any of those.

I ultimately went with the birdhouse.

Oh, that's a really good one.

Because it's like a bookend of the film.

He crashes into it.

He puts it back.

Way better than mine.

He's a kind of like tearing something down, building it back up.

Harrison Ford Carpentry.

That's my pick.

That's way better than mine.

What was yours?

Jacob's sad tombstone.

No, I didn't have one.

The bonnet, Rachel's bonnet, Samuel's wooden toy.

You can do the car.

The landlord.

No, the prayer mess is great.

Coach Finstock award, best life lesson.

There's Never Only One Way.

That's what I had.

Yeah.

Good old Eli.

What'd you have for best double feature choice?

So I would pair this with Mosquito Coast.

I think the two

Harrison Ford,

the Harrison Ford, Peter Weir team-ups in consecutive years.

And I think also like

the character of Allie that Ford plays in Mosquito Coast is so distinct from like any of his other roles.

And it's really like kind of the anti-longer.

It's good.

I watched it, i re-watched it two years ago when i was just basically like mainlining every harrison ford movie in anticipation of dial of destiny yeah and uh mosquito coast is up but pretty pretty good movie underrated the director is always a fun two hours regardless of what the movie is i like i like his stuff uh who won the movie harrison ford harrison ford correct Well, we don't have Craig this week because he's on vacation.

Yeah.

I want to know what he thinks.

Maybe we'll get it.

Maybe, maybe next one, he'll come back.

That would be great.

You should just text him while he's on vacation and, you know, say, Craig, it's 4.30.

Time for milking.

Grab that teat.

Yeah.

Thanks to Craig anyway.

Thanks to Chris.

Chris, our guy.

Thanks to Ronick.

Ronic.

Thanks to Kevin for coming over today and making sure the studio is going good.

And then we'll be back with another rewatchables episode next week.

This is it.

We did witness finally.

I'm thrilled.

An honor, a privilege.

And shout out to our girl Joe.

Good old Joe.

We love Joe.

We miss Joe.

Joe loves this movie.

I know.

Dobbins loves this movie.

It's a classic.

But this was, it could only be you.

We couldn't have more people on this.

It had to be your thing.

We've been waiting for this.

Hopefully, Harrison Ford hears.

Mallory Rubin, thank you.

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