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All right. F1.

I have it as the number one, I can't believe this actually worked out movie of the 2020 CR. Felt like a bust for two years.

Like the meter was running on this one for a while. There's some controversial reporting and back and forth between the production and our own, our buddy Matt Bellany about how much this movie cost.

It was like, this is just, is this just going to be on my iPhone? Like, what's going on? And it's heavily involved. It's like, what do they know about movies? Yes.

Brad Pitt, maybe at the tail end of seeming realistic as an F1 driver. I have a couple months where it's like, F1 is still shooting.

They are shooting like in this country, in that country, at this race, and the strikes and COVID and everything that slowed it down.

But yeah, they're in like Abu Dhabi, but they're in like all over Monaco, wherever they were having races. Yeah.

Movie making is a complicated thing, but the story of making the movie should never be complicated.

Like the more complicated the story of making the film is, the more people feel like it's just going to be a disaster.

And this was a complicated from the technology that they needed, from the strikes, from all of the stuff that was going on. It was a very, very complicated production.

I'm glad Van's here because I wanted to sort of lead the conversation with a declaration, which is that I feel the way.

The way I'm supposed to feel about Avatar, I feel that way about F1. That's what I'm talking about.
Like, this is fucking incredible. How did they do this? This is pushing movie making forward.

I don't really care what the story is. This is mind-blowing.
Well, a good movie to end 2025 on, too, because I do think this was the year we got sucked back into movie theaters. Sucked back.

Sinners, F1, One Battle, Minecraft. Sure.
Conjuring Last Rights.

There were a bunch of movies this year where you're like,

I don't want to wait until that's on my TV. I want to go see this.
And F1 was a great example. You had to see it on IMAX.
It was fucking awesome. I went with my whole family.

We did like a 9:30 showing at the Grove. Oh, wow.
And nobody was on their phone the whole time.

Drove home. Everyone was exhilarated.
We're like, that's what we want from a movie right there. And it's good at home to watching it a second time, still good on the TV.

It's not as good as in the movie theater, but classic sports movie has a lot of tropes. But

just a thrill ride. It's a strangely important movie.

Like,

just in terms of this type of movie making,

a big

star-driven 80s-style movie that's about a cultural phenomenon.

That catches the cultural phenomenon in time. Right.
So, like, we used to have all of these. Like, you had Gleaming the Cube.

I mean, these aren't, some of these aren't big blockbusters, but we used to do these movies. Gleaming the Cube, Skateboarding, Over the Top, Arm Wrestling, all of this stuff.

You put a star or emergent star in a movie about a thing, and it's a big deal. Then they kind of stopped making those movies.
Yeah.

Like the movies were expected to be something that's more than just like no fat card with Hulk Hogan. No Hulk's bar with we could do this.

So many different films we could talk about, even like Days of Thunder, NASCAR, all of that.

And then they stopped doing them because we could no longer make the movie that's just kind of vapid.

It seemed like an affront against the filmmaking gods to make a movie that was just kind of vapid but fun. Yeah.
And this movie is that.

There's not much depth to the film, but the film in the total sum of its parts really, really works and really means something.

I mean, I think that in Hollywood, it's all about IP, but Formula One racing and car racing in general is good IP in general. And it's like, I'll go see almost any movie where cars race.

Like, it's just, it's, it's a cinematic thing. Yeah.
I mean, like, I was look, I was, went through like a bunch of car racing movies last night and I was like, yeah. These are all solid.

I mean, I was like, I was like, I got no notes, man. The fast and the furious.
Cars doing cool shit. I was watching Grand Prix with James Garner last night.
I was like, this rules.

Like, I'm like, we can go back to the 60s if you want. Well, the history, Laman, Bobby Deerfield, Days of Thunder.
Driven was the only one that didn't work.

And that had Stallone and Burt Reynolds Too Late. And Kip Pardue was terrible in it.
Talladega Knights, Senna documentary. Rush, a movie that I love that's on the rewatchables list.

Ford and Ferrari, F1. All the fast movies.
I was going to do this later. I'll do it now.

I wish I liked real racing as much as I like racing movies. I know exactly what you mean.
Like F1 does nothing for me. I, it seems fine.
You go, you sit, they go by at crazy speeds.

I've never cared about Indy 500. I've never cared about NASCAR.
I've never cared about anything, but I love racing movies because they're basically awesomely edited

races combined with like the behind the scenes stuff. And I think that's just where I've landed.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just what I want.

What are some other things that you would only prefer to see rendered as movies? Like, you know, you know what I mean? Like, I don't want to go deep underwater in the ocean.

I would say cooking movies are another way.

Yeah, like, like, cooking, like, I don't watch a cooking show, yeah. But whenever there's a part in that movie, Chef,

where uh

Favreau is making, is it a grilled cheese sandwich or something? Well, he makes a grilled cheese sandwich for his son, but then

he makes something for Scarlett Johansson. Yeah, oh, he makes her a pasta.
Makes her a pasta.

And just him whipping up the pasta and her watching him whip up the pasta, you're like, God damn, I would like to be able to do that. That is incredible.

You wouldn't have watched on Instagram for 30 minutes. I'm not going to watch it on Instagram.
But it looks cool to watch somebody with the mastery of the kitchen like that.

But like in actuality, I'm not trying to see. This is what's great about the movies, though.
You watch an F1 race and people love F1. And I like F1.
I think I had like most people, like my

short-lived affair with Drive to Survival. Get up at six in the morning? I never did that because I'm already up up early enough watching soccer.

I can't have two global sports that make me wake up at weird times. But I will say that, like, take take color of money, right? Like, if I was like, let's watch billiards, you'd be like, I'm good.

You know, like, there's got to be van psych. Is that tall Asian lady playing?

You're talking about Black Widow? Yeah. Is the Black Widow playing? Black Widow? Jeanette? What was her name? Jeanette.
Jeanette Lee playing? I think she got sick after a while.

But if you watch Color of Money, you're like, Billiards is the most exciting cinematic thing anyone. How about ping pong with Marty Simmons? Supreme.
That's the colour one.

Okay, I have to. I do enjoy watching both of those sports.
Yeah. Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, when I was into pool.

What about darts? Darts, I've never, I like, but there are sports I like too. I like to watch, like, you know, guys throw axes and then Lumberjacks and all that.
But

ping pong is the only thing that I don't know that I like watching it. until it's actually on.

So I will never go watch ping pong.

You'd never seek it but when i see ping pong or table tennis then playing it it is one of the most amazing things i feel like a human being can do to play the sport well i wrote that and if i'm paying 30 bucks for a movie i want i want the ability to feel

i want to feel things this movie made you feel it's a human response movie yeah that first crash which when we do rewatchable scenes First time you see it in the theater.

The Monza crash?

When JP crashes.

It's like you just can't believe it. And then it's so cool and the way they do it and the way it's shot.
I mean, I love that in 2025, we're still getting better at stuff.

And I think in this case, we're just getting better. This movie in 1990 was Days of Thunder, which is a very cool movie that I like a lot that we've done on the rewatchables.

But it's night and day when you see some of the shit they did with the cameras. Yeah, I mean, in some ways, like in terms of filming movement,

I would argue Kaczynski is the first person to push it forward since Tony Scott.

Like, in terms of filming, like, a piece of machinery going like Top Gum Maverick, this, and it's like he really is an inheritor of some of like his Tony Scott's like stylistic revelations.

The last scene when he's when he's flying, basically, when Sonny's about to win the race,

the first time seeing that in the theater, and he kind of knew it was probably going to happen because he set it up in the monologue.

But then, when they do it, and there's no soundtrack, and it's just the sound, and it's just Pitt's face, and it's just also incredibly well done. A really easy scene to make corny.
Yeah.

If the background of that happening hasn't been established, if you're not in with Sonny's character all the way. Yeah.
And also, if the movie is any less technically proficient.

So you did the monologue. Bread Pitt.
I'm going to do the Brad Pitt face a couple of times. The coolest thing about that is all everything on the side of the left mouth.
The cut to Bardem's face.

Right. So it's like a Bardem had some good celebration acting in this.
I always thought the chef and Vision Quest was my number one.

There's been a lot of good crowd celebration guys over the years, but I thought Bardem was really, really good. You know who my favorite crowd guy is of all time?

Put him in a body bag, Johnny. Yeah.

That dude was on Johnny Dick. Yeah.
Like he was into it, man. Like, that's my favorite crowd guy.

Godzo from Rocky. Go get him, Rocky.

He had some good ones.

That'd be good montage. Like somebody just doing the 25 best sports movie celebrated crowd gassing.
Sports movie tropes.

We did, you and I talked about this on my podcast. I did not listen to it.
So if we over,

we go back on some of the stuff we talked about. I apologize, but I did grab this from the notes for that.
Sports movie tropes, CR.

The best that never was. Sure.

That was the, I think the most underrated 30 for 30 we ever did when I was there was the Marcus Dupree one. Excruciating.
That is also where I met you, was at the screening party for

Marcus Dupree. And I remember John Hawk, the director of it, he found all this high school footage of Marcus Dupree that we weren't positive existed, or I can't remember how I found it.

And then to see that guy, and you do the, this guy was the best that that never was. And then you actually could see the footage of him.
But anyway, this is a sports movie trope that

it's kind of undefeated. They've used it for action movies in some ways too.
Like Roadhouse, Best Cooler. You don't understand how good this guy was.

Like, we've seen this over the years, but it works best sports movies. So that's one.
Old guy versus new guy.

Never, never doesn't work.

White and black, not getting along and then teaming up.

Seen it? Come on, Van.

Like, white man can't jump. Like, white man can't jump.

That's the only thing they did. Let's be honest.
It's the trope. There's the only thing they didn't do in this movie.
Yeah, he never looked at them and goes, you know what?

Your type just can never get to the point. Dude,

he did kind of get

the participation trophy.

Yeah, but then you have Damson come back and went, What do you mean, my type? Yeah. And white man can't jump.
They just straight up say it.

Like black guys will whether look good and lose, white guys will whether look bad and win. And that's actually funny.
But this movie, they were like, let's stay away from it. Times are tough.

The downtrouted team.

That's about to go under and desperately needs a spark. That always works.

The The monologue about chasing the something, the one great thing.

You know, once upon a time, my dad, when my dad died, he told me, blah, blah, blah. Like, you need that one-minute something.
The big accident monkey wrench. I've seen that a million times.

And then the climactic race, race fight game. Can I throw one newer one in there? Give me.

This movie gets compared to Top Gun Maverick a lot, same director, and kind of like broadly, like some of the same story. Cruise and pick of the switch parts, probably been fine.

It's kind of money ball on steroids, though because it's about a scrappy group of underdogs figuring out how to exploit the margins and the oh the jigsaw puzzle movie how do we put together the puzzle but it's also like plan c is the whole like is basically billy bean you know it's like well we can't beat them just straight up so we have to do all this other stuff to beat them into action kid has that great speech about If I can get one tenth of a second better and you can get one tenth of a second, you can't.

That's five.

Like, yeah, that is a second.

We'll save like 70 seconds. There's also one that you miss.
They don't do it in this movie, but it still happens in this movie.

This movie doesn't have the scene where Javier Bardem's character is sitting around with the rest of the people and they're like, we really got to win. And he goes,

I know one guy.

I know one guy. I don't know if he'll do it.
It's like, it's assumed that that happened. You know, but then you got to go get this guy out of retirement.

Well, they do have the whole, how many guys did you call before you got to me? right number nine seventh that's a good action one too a sports movie trope they do not have in this

and they actually have the reverse of it and so much better is that the female the lead female in this is not like that you can't do it you're gonna die it turns out she has the coolest job she's not doing the age ring she has a cool job yeah and she's a great character and i think that's one of the reasons this movie is so re-watched but i love the carrie condon scenes i i believe the character i want her to get better i believe that she's in on Brad Pitt.

I want them to end up together at the end. It's just another hard one to pull off.
CR loves her. That little spark pug Irish lady.
You like that type of shit. But it's CR's.
Will have.

Do you like that type of shit? CR star, that big pint in the bar. And she's like, yes.
If she was smoking in this movie, I probably would leave my money for her.

She's kind of big, long Virginia Slim. Yeah.

Well, you.

They make the character like, you know, aspirational in other ways, because in some ways, I mean she gives up the ass super quick just straight i don't know about that well that was a whole season there's like three four months

i mean i mean normally in the well i'm saying she was sweet on brad though normally in a movie like that the the virtue of the character is in that she doesn't give up the ass but then she gives up the ass and then i mean she's straight up loving him she's on the whole thing she just she kissed his shoulder she really liked him she really liked i think they kind of zoomed past the ending that uh i think she would have been a little more upset he was just like all right i'll see you later i i have some stuff about that he was like that i know we're in love but i'm going to baja

come back when ring me when you get back tiger no what you just out

one thing i love about this the casting and she's really cute obviously

but i think in the 90s this just they just would have picked whoever the best looking actress is and made believe she was this i really believe that she was trying to put together the perfect car yeah

I also believe that the two would end up together. I don't know.
Great job. Brad Pitt.

So

I don't know where this is going to rank on the best sports movies of the 21st century so far. I may or may not have a list at some point.
Not today.

Oh, okay. Appreciate it.
But Brad Pitt was in two of those movies, regardless of what your list is. Moneyball and F1.

Double duty for this.

I did when

you and I did our, or maybe I did this with Wesley. I can't remember.
I did it on my pod with somebody. The four decades of Brad Pitt as the leading man in all the arcs, where

the six stages basically, up and coming, handsome guy, leading man on training wheels, A-lister, Branjolina heyday when he goes to another level of fame, Bray Angelina Swoon.

And then in 2019, with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, we entered the Brad Pitt as the icon. Yes.
When we do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood at Astra, F1.

He got $30 million for this movie, and I think he's a big reason why people took it seriously.

This is now a 35-year career, CR.

And yet, I still feel like people would have cruise above him

i even think people would have maybe damon above him are you nuts i think leo would be like matt damon yeah i think

about the biggest actor are you talking about is like a box office draw do you think he gets enough credit i guess is my question i think the thing would be would people throw him out second after cruise

no i think leo would go second I think Brad Pitt works more than those guys, it seems like. He's had more misses.
Yeah, and he takes more swings and he produces more stuff.

And I think he he also has kind of settled into now finally like paul newman color of money era like maybe a little younger than paul newman was at that point but is starting to embrace the idea of being like the like this is the twilight part of my career and the roles are really great because of that what do you think van i think that brad pitt carved out a brad pitt thing that makes him incomparable to a lot of his contemporaries.

His career is really interesting. Like Tom Cruise embodied not just the movie star, but the hyper celebrity.
Like the whole thing, the entire deal.

Brad Pitt became a leading man that was in some big movies, that was in some smaller movies. He became the cool,

like A-plus actor that just kind of did whatever he wanted to do.

He didn't get with Scorsese and do the next 10 Scorsese movies. He didn't do, he just decided that he lived his life in a

laissez-faire kind of way. And he just did the thing that he thought was the coolest at the time that it was in front of him.
And that's really interesting.

It doesn't seem like he planned his career out. Yeah, the big difference between him and Cruz 2 is that he never picked a character that he played for like more than a couple movies.
Right.

So in that. Right.
He never did his version of Born.

So in the way that Leo. said, you know what?

I'm going to get to a certain point and I'm going to work with these directors who are just unassailable in the quality of the the film and the way that Tom went, I'm going to give you big budget genre, five, four quadrant type of movies.

It just seemed like Brad got a script and went, okay, cool.

And he was so Brad Pitt that he could make that work over the course of the time.

Bang, let's make it.

Let's do it. Like whatever it is,

let's do it. So I was going to do this for Hottest Take later.
I'll just do it now.

I think that him just crossing paths with Angelina at the time he did

was almost like an athlete like tearing ACL and missing two seasons. I think that sent his career in a different direction.
That Bray Angelina thing became so big.

And so it kind of like swallowed up both of them.

I think both of their careers, like the kind of movies that they made,

they did stuff together. Like he has this whole basically 15 years after Mr.
and Mrs. Smith, where I'm not even really sure what happened.

And I think part of it was all of a sudden he was with Angelina Jolie. They have five kids all of a sudden.

They're making movies together that weren't really any good. And I do wonder what happened.
He got really into politics. Yeah, I do wonder what, and he got into producing and did some good stuff.

But I feel like there was like three or four more Moneyball type movies for him in there and he just didn't make them. Whereas like Cruz was working all the time.

Yeah, it's hard to tell whether or not it's the movie industry that changes or the actor that changes. And maybe Brad Pitt was like the kinds of movies I'm, I could lead.
Like

at a certain point, he stops being interested in doing movies like Troy. You know what I mean?

Like whether it's because he got older or because he didn't want to like be a beefcake a-list like movie star in that way he wanted to be more of a character actor and appear in different kinds of stuff so he made benjamin button and glorious bastards and money ball basically

middle of 2000s through 11 but then his 2012 to 18 killing them softly softly allied fury by the sea world war z

and produced 12 years of slave

retrospective couple those movies movies are quite good, though. Yeah, yeah.
I mean,

if you look at it, like just for the movies that he's in, World War Z ended up being a movie that was kind of a trouble production. And it was a huge hit.
But that's a big, huge movie.

It's like a gigantic movie. How many times have you watched it? Probably like three.
Two or three?

The zombies are really aggressive in it. It's not the easiest watch.
I wasn't a fan. The outbreak starts in Philly.

Yeah.

You got it. But look, the big short, he's in that.

He's an interesting film. That's towards the end of of the time that you're talking about, though.
But he's in interesting films here, Inglorious Bastards, Benjamin Button.

These are interesting movies. He's having an interesting career.
Brad After Eating, that's an interesting choice for Brad Pitt at that time in his career.

He has that same Redford quality of like, you could just kind of throw him in anything and it's probably going to work. It's fun to hang out with him.
Paul Newman was like that.

It's that kind of actor we just don't have anymore. And this is, you know, he's playing a guy in his early 50s, but he's really in his early 60s.
Yeah. He's doing brattage, bars, shoulder,

general

lunge.

You know, it's interesting to me always to see what performers like this do with that little wheel during this period. So, like, the part that's right over, you guys know what I'm talking about.

You know, you're in the league, you're averaging

29

awesome movies. Yeah, and then like when you get down to 26, 25, 24, it's that what when how they navigate that point until they become elder statesmen, oh my God, look, they're taking a chance.

How they navigate that is always interesting. Cruz just went into franchises.
Yes. But he really struggled for a while too.
Yeah. I think Damon's had the most interesting approach to it

where he seems to make a combination of like big choices, smart, big things, and then like kind of weird, cool swings. and just doesn't seem to care what hits and what doesn't.

Can we come back to this real quick? You think that Matt Damon is fucking with Brad Pitt in any way, shape, or form?

I think it's an interesting one because if you go if you go the seven, I think the seven movies that Brad Pitt made over the last four decades that probably have the longest tale,

seven, Fight Club, Ocean's 11, Bastards, Moneyball, Once Upon a Time, and F1, I think would be the seven. I'll hear that.
So the question for me is, could Matt Damon top that with his best seven?

I think if you're counting Odyssey next year, which we can't because we haven't seen it. Count that apart.
Just like for the same time.

Martian, born.

Like he's his seven versus Pitt seven is a pretty good battle. Yeah.
And they probably made the same amount of money and the same amount of money.

There's some other things where it's like they'll just be like, I'm getting behind Kenneth Lonigan, or for Brad Pitt, he gets behind Andrew Dominic. Yeah, I think it's close.

They pick their directors and they, what are you laughing at? It's absurd. You think

Matt Damon is just not on Brad Pitt's level? No. I think Matt Damon is.
You think I'm being a Boston homer? Of course.

I think Matt Damon.

I think

Matt Damon is fantastic. Oscar winner.
It's an Oscar winner. Matt Damon is fantastic.
If you were to use those movies as a metric, you could probably pull out.

I bet there's probably more people that if we talk about guys that have been around this long, you could probably, if you just pull seven movies, I bet you could also do that for Ben Affleck.

I bet you could in terms of Brad Pitt if you just pull seven movies. But if you talk about the space that they take up in culture, how they're regarded, just

overall, how audiences respond to them, I think that Brad Pitt is in a different level than Matt Damon is. Forgot about Mr.
Ripley. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Who do you think is a better actor?

I think Matt Damon has a little bit more range. Me too.
I think.

But Pitt feels more like a movie star. It's tough.
It's like, I also think like. It's interesting in Oceans 11.
Pitt has kind of the more outsized role than Matt Damon does. They have very similar.

They have very similar things going on where like every once in a while, like they'll be like the supporting character in something. Like it's, it's, it's a really tough conversation.

I don't want to be argumentative. I just do not disagree.
I just, I just, I like when we argue. I don't like when we argue.
I just, I think that if you look

at the at the full, I can't wait for you. Well, never mind.
The full range of the roles. Yeah.
Like from

12 monkeys

all the way to cool leading man in F1.

I don't know how we could say definitively. Yeah, we could do that with Damon.
We could do like

school ties. Yeah.

How about school ties? Yeah. As we're talking about anti-semi 1940s football player.
Who's better? Tough, tough, tough, tough role to getting character for for a guy from Boston.

He had no one to study.

Like he had no one.

He's a fantastic performer. I'm just saying, I think Brad's probably, he's certainly a bigger movie star, in my my opinion.
But I also think that.

Well, I think the Angelina thing made him a bigger movie star, though. He wasn't until that happened.

That vaulted him into a postum. Whereas Matt, on the other hand, got married.
You'd never hear anything about him. He's been married for like 20 years.
He's like intentionally low profile.

Okay, so Brad was like,

here I am. I am dating the hottest actress we have.
Off the back of dating Jennifer Anderson. Yeah.
I went from

Kwinith Paltrow and whoever. The only problem with this is also when we were talking about Brad Pitt's movies, we left out Mr.
and Mrs. Smith.
But the only problem with this is that they met

on a film where they were together in that film, and it was Brad Pitt as the star of this big, gigantic action movie. That would have been a good volume.
How would Van Lathan get out of this one?

You dating Angelina.

You doing a movie with Angelina Jolie in 2004? That's actually. Where were you? I called you in your trailer.
Oh, I went to get an espresso.

I didn't hear the phone. Poor thing.
I still feel bad for Jennifer Anderson after that. It's a tough one.
It's a tough one. Speaking of Sonny, Sonny, what was Sunny Hayes? Sunny Hayes.
Great name.

I made an I wanted to move to

Damson.

The athletes that captured the decade the best, if we're going to make a list, going back to the 70s.

Athlete in athletes in movie athlete. Okay.

Nick Nolte in North Dallas 40.

70s. Grizzled football.

Trying to tell us where football's going.

1980s, Ivan Drago, Rocky IV. Cold War.

We'll do anything for an itch.

Put more steroids in me.

1990s, it's either Rod Tidwell or Willie Beaman. I'm not sure who.
Maybe Willie Beeman, but you could also talk me to Rod Tidwell. Okay.

Realistic, the most realistic version of an athlete I've seen in a movie. Says something about the 90s in general.
When you look back, it's like that's a very 90s character.

But also with Tidwell, a very three-dimensional character, yeah, like a family man and all of that stuff. My favorite sports movie character, yeah.
Um, 2000s, Tim Riggins, any given Sunday,

Friday Night Lights, yeah,

I'm sorry, Friday Nights. I wrote down any given Sundays.

Tim Riggins from the TV show, yeah, well, and the movie, yeah, in the movie, okay. Which one was Tim Riggins in the movie? Garrett Hedland, Garrett Hedland.
Oh,

yeah, his dad, yep, being a dad. Tim Rayla, Tim McGraw, putting the thing, but then he comes up and puts the ring on his finger.

Bro, that, that, that movie. I know you guys are obsessed with the television show.
No, the movie's great.

That movie is the best halftime speech ever given. Like, that's a perfect.

Pacino is pre-game.

Yeah, I mean, also, I would put Billy Bob

saying forever is about to happen, like, up against anything. Man, he looks at those boys and without even raising his voice, goes, you know, my heart.
I got goosebumps. Like, my heart is full.

I've done everything that i can do it's pacino and billy bob in the finals

yeah when's is the miracle i don't know when the last time you watched any given sunday oh i watched it it's like

it's kind of in the pluto rotation right now just saying are you are you popping on pluto do you have eyes for other free streaming services i've been on pluto uh

and uh the halftime the pregame's great and the cutting to fox

and he starts moving toward pacino great stuff uh i have Riggins for here because movie and TV show.

That was when we started to realize, oh, IP could be all over the place. 2010s,

Adonis Creed.

2020s, Josh Pierce in F1.

I love how they do the social.

I think his whole backstory with his mom and his handler and how he's trying to basically be a star when he hasn't done anything yet, how he approaches his public persona.

It's the best I've seen in a movie this decade, I think, for where we are in the 2020s with social media.

We'll just have to wait for the Puka Nakua story.

Fans try to close the deal on it right now.

But this Josh Pierce character on paper might have not worked and it worked really well. So why did it work? Super charming.
Obviously, he's he's from uh like broke big with snowfall but um

i don't know he has

a limited amount of screen time in this movie compared to pitt like there's clearly like other stuff i think that they shot like a whole love interest with him that they yeah they cut it out completely

and the fact that you can still piece together who he is and he he has to say things like i had to climb a mountain to get here and really sell it you know like that's his basically his exposition and it really works he's a really really dynamic performer character works for the same

reason that the movie works like uh the movie assumes that you know who he is which is why they could cut a lot of that stuff out the movie assumes that you realize that it's tough for a kid coming from where he's from to to achieve an f1 the movie even assumes that you understand his talent because we never really see it.

They basically just tell us over and over and over again that he could be a great driver. Yeah.
But we don't really get anything on screen to demonstrate that to us.

But that character, that archetype of it's all right there in front of you, but you, you're distracted by bullshit. Yeah.
The movie assumes you know that character. It's kind of interesting.

One of my favorite parts about this movie is that it's not like JP is Luke Skywalker. And they're like, we just need the right mentor to get this kid.
It's like, he's pretty good.

You know, F1 is really like a lot about the car, right?

As my understanding is that the cars are kind of like and that and it seems like the teamwork is important and the teamwork is important being the leader but it's like they only really bond

once then they backslide and then they bond one last time and jp sacrifices for them but they do a great job with the uh the morning jog yeah keep retaining continuing to come back to that and there's more and more people and then eventually jp's leading the jog and it's like they don't bang you over the head with it that to me is why i say this is 80s and 90s movie making is because since he is so good at this stuff.

It's because you usually just have that scene.

You used to have that scene of somebody getting up in the morning, stretching, and they're doing it by themselves, and then all of a sudden, somebody else is there, and then all of a sudden, and you see it rather than somebody having to give a long speech about the importance of togetherness.

Yeah. And then, like, by the end of it, you get that there's something that happened between all of these people that brought them together.
We'll have to be

belabored. Yeah, that this movie's long, but I don't feel like it's long when I'm watching it.

Even like some of this, the pitch is like in his hotel room or whatever, flicking the cards kind of needs it. Like, they like it has like a nice kind of pace to it.

I'll talk about that later, flicking of cards. A lot of things I gotta talk about.

Five decades of Bruckheimer. I was, I'm glad you're bringing this up.

How many re-watchables do you think we've done of Jerry Bruckheimer? 10.

What do you think, Van?

We've done 417 movies this is 14th

of Bruckheimer? Yeah, 15. No, no, we've done 40, 40, no, no, no, no, no, overall.
So I'm saying, what, 1520?

16th. Wow.
Yeah. So we've done Gigolo,

Thief, American Gigolo, Thief, Cop 1 and 2, Top Gun, Days of Thunder, Crimson Tide, Dangerous Minds, Bad Boys, Con Air, Face Off, Armageddon, Enemy of the State, Remember the Titans, and Top Gun Maverick and F1.

Fucking bangers.

I feel like we should have a picture of him in the studio here. This is

80s, 90s. It's five decades of him.
Yeah. And his 2010s weren't great.
He's basically doing the pirate sequels and Lone Ranger and then kind of gets his mojo back at this day. Lone Ranger.

So many people have gotten distracted, decided to become tech moguls. Yeah.
Start political action committees, do whatever they're doing when they're going to be producers.

This guy's just like, I do one thing and I do better than anything else in the world. It is, this movie is really a monument to producing.

From when you think about the amount of money that must have changed hands to make this movie, the amount of negotiating that must have had to happen with all the different countries they're shooting in, with the strikes happening, with COVID restrictions, and Jerry Bruckheimer's got like fucking 15 new cameras inside of F1 cars.

He's getting Apple to make him like these inch size cameras. I mean, it's just, it's, that's what movie producers are supposed to do.

I look at him. I'll give him fucking lessons, man.
Yes, true. I look at him and I bet he calls movies pictures.
And that's the kind of producers I like. I like when they say picture.

We're working on a big picture here. He's one of the last one of the guys that says, hey, I'm getting Brad Pitt and Kaczynski together and we're doing this racing picture.

Like the guys that put shit together, get shit done. It's about putting guys together and letting them get their talents off on the screen.
And you'll do anything for the movie.

Because of like the preponderant, like the amount of visual effects and like the amount of stuff you can do inside of a computer now.

And also just because of the last couple of years in the industry, when you watch movies now, you're kind of like, oh, I can see they tried to save money here, like for whatever reason, like in any movie.

You didn't get this feeling once during F1. When you watch F1, you're like, how much this fucking movie costs? Jesus Christ.

But to be honest with you, though, if people out there are wondering what a good producer does,

it's exactly what he's talking about. A movie that's well-produced, you cannot see the seams.

That is what a well-produced movie is. A well-directed movie maintains the dramatic tension and the narrative from the beginning all the way to the end with every scene kind of adding adding to that.

A well-produced film, you can't see the seams. It's almost like he was like, Let's spend more money.
You know what I mean? And that's kind of cool. Like, why?

Because you're like, you're getting it back in your movie ticket. Bar Keymer's like, yo, Kaczynski, I'm going to have to shoot that final scene in Saudi Arabia, it looks like.

And we got to put the sheiks in as we're hitting the trophy, but we get an extra $50 million to spend.

Kaczynski's like, great. It's for the picture.
It's for the picture.

Great job by him. There's a couple we haven't done from him.

We never did Flash Dance.

We didn't do Blackhawk Down, Quint Tarantino's favorite movie in the 21st century.

We didn't do Gone in 60 Seconds.

And we didn't do Bad Boys 2,

which we've discussed for like three years. Are you saving that? Yeah.
We just haven't done it yet. When you guys do Blackhawk Down, because I'm not going to be on that one.

But when you guys do Blackhawk Down, you're not going to be on it because of. No, it's not my type of deal.
But when you do. Would you be on the Oz Season 1 rewatch? I love that.

But you guys, it should be you guys, and then you should bring in somebody from special operator

YouTubes. There's this one guy I watch, it's like Valhalla guy, he's a special operator.
Do you guys follow what's going on in the special operator community? I actually probably focused on it.

Honestly, I'm surprised I don't know the guy you're referencing. So, CR and I have spent a lot of time in the Providence Reddit scene the last five days.
I'm like, piss off some shit.

I love listening to special operators talk about like what they need to be effective on a mission. If you guys do it, bring in a special operator to talk about it.
Bring in Vajala.

The F1 stuff in this movie, based on the 2023 Formula One season, filmed in 23 and 24, there was a bidding war in late 2021 for the movie.

It had Pitt, Bruckheimer, Kaczynski, and Ethan Krueger, the guy who wrote it.

Lewis Haley.

Aaron Krueger. He's an interesting writer.
Yeah. It's an interesting collection, though.
My bad. Sorry, Krueger.
Apple won the thing for $130, $140 million.

Gave Pitt 30 of it.

Pitt and Damson did all the driving up to 180 miles an hour, and then they tapped out after that. See, Damson had to

part of getting the role was him. Yeah, he had to beat out.
And unfortunately, this movie just happened, so there's really no great casting what-ifs for it.

So I'm just going to assume there was apparently like a huge, huge bunch of people trying to position for the JP role. Yeah.

Aaron Krueger did Arlington Road, Reindeer Games, The Ring, three Transformer movies, and Top Gun Maverick. Yes.
It's a good career. It's worth noting that

is a, after the film, there is an additional literary contributions credit for Aaron Sorkin. Yeah, I saw that.
Christopher Storer and

Jez Butterworth and Kara Smith. Cleaned up some dialogue? I think.
That's where you want to get to in life as a screenwriter. They're like, here's 500 grand.

Can you just read this script and send us like 10 notes? Yeah. Clean up a little dialogue.
Hey, I've talked about it before. I can't.
Arlington Rhodes, underrated.

I like it too. Kaczynski broke through.
He'd been around for a while, but broke through with Top Gun Maverick in 22. He understands me, CR.
Yeah. He knows what you want.
He understands what I want.

Yeah. He understands what I want in a movie, and he's done two of the only rewatchables ever that we've done in the same year the movie came out.

We'll probably do another one when Miami Vice comes out. Oh, that, I mean, we'll be doing that from the theater.

I'm just like a half with a camera on. He's the only camera who's ever made a movie that we've done the rewatchables the week it came out, right?

Didn't we do Top Gun Maverick really soon after it came out? Yeah, because we both went nuts. Yeah.
Yeah. Also directed one of the greatest commercials of all time.
What's that?

You guys remember the Gears of War commercial where it was that R.E.M. song? What's the song? The song.
No, Tears for Fear song. Oh, Everybody Wants to Rule of the World.
No, it's who Makes this.

I don't know who makes it whole.

No, the song is called. We're just going to go through all these records.
It's obviously a commercial that stayed with you.

No, it's a great story. It's called Mad World.

Mad World, yeah. Mad World.
Shut the fuck up. It's called Mad World, the Gears of War commercial.
Yeah. He did that.
Mad World.

Yeah, but I think this is a really important movie for him because it's the

now he is, to me, the big budget action guy. Yeah.
Well, $200 million budget at least made over $600 million so far. It's at like $630 as we.
record this. So I think he's got a

now flagship movie of Apple for five years probably well that's the other thing and we could have put like every time you turn on Apple TV the first thing you see is still there I went to go find it to re-watch it this week and and there it was just staring at me um I don't know what category that fits in for the rewatchables but it gave Apple movie credibility that it just didn't have it was a big bet they were kind of they felt like they were just stupid money

people taking advantage of them in some ways and then this movie changed the calculus of it and then ended up with them getting getting f1 recently um the actual sport that is going to now be on apple so before this apple had put out uh

uh the ridley scott one napoleon yes i think that movie was

when you go and watch that film first of all it is ridley scott is obviously fantastic but the movie itself is just a mess it doesn't it seems like it's something that's overwrought it's overspent it's the entire deal it doesn't seem like there was actually real craft in the filmmaking there it's precisely the type of movie that some, that Apple would not want to make.

Yeah. It looks like a film made by like a big streamer with no constraints on anything.
And they had a few of those. And this movie looks like the opposite.

It looks like a movie that even though they spent a ton of money, that everything was done with such care and such craft that it. solidifies them as people who know how to make good films.

Also, I think we've seen some success this year with, we'll release release the movie in the theaters for a few weeks, and then it'll be on our service, and we're going to win two ways because we saw it with one battle, we saw it with centers, saw it with this movie, we saw it with weapons.

Um, this formula that people thought, well, that doesn't make sense. Why am I going to go see in the theater if it's also going to be available for free? And it wasn't.
So, this was uh

this was eighth worldwide in 2025. It was his biggest Superman van.
Yeah, take that fucking Superman. That's an interesting development, though.
Yeah,

have some of that. It was Pitt's Pitt's biggest film ever.

Worldwide, at least.

It surpassed Cars 2 as the highest-grossing sports film worldwide. Is Cars 2 a sports movie in that animated memo? Isn't it animated? Yeah.

I mean, that was in my research. Cars 2 was the biggest sports movie.
It's like, what? I don't know what the actual biggest one is.

I forgot to mention soundtrack by Hans fucking Zimmer. And the Hansettes.
Coming at John Williams now. Has John Williams in his sights?

Rod Rebert did not review this movie because he's been dead for like 10 years. Do you think he would have liked it? So I looked up some of his racing reviews.
He gave Rush four stars.

Days of Thunder two.

Top Gun two and a half. I didn't do the chat GBT to find out what he would have thought of.

You got uncomfortable last time. No, I didn't.
No, I didn't. I used chat.
Oh, I see our guy.

Look at this. All right.
Dog population estimate in the world. College football scandals.

Explain to me sovereign ai what is a hostile takeover all kinds of violent history of the kkk this is what i asked you could just google that though but chat gpt does it better

i think rog would have given this three stars too long racing scene is incredible i said three stars as well and i think he would have paid special tribute to carrie condon and how she was a well-developed female character the floor is three stars because the movie making is so great i know yeah yeah all right we're gonna take a break And then we're gonna do most rewatchable scene.

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All right, guys.

I have a few here. I'm going to try to zip through them.
All right. Most re-watchable scene.
The opening scene, Sonny in a trailer. Is this Cliff Booth? Is he back?

It's just such a great character introduction.

The Led Zeph just coming in. They're like, not only are we spending a lot of money on this movie, we got fucking Led Zep on.
Dude, when you see this

in IMAX, and a whole lot of love starts, and then he dunks his face in an ice bath, and then he's like 24 hours in Daytona, Shea Wiggum. You get afraid of fucking go.

And another thing you ready to go, hey, he's sleeping.

And then the person says, five minutes yeah until you have to get into one of those death machines and race around you just right away know so much about the character and then he gets out of the car and he goes lose that lead lose that lead and i'll kill you

puts a bunch of zins in yeah

spend your whole life starting over sunny anyway uh next one sunny shows up

Does the I Can Get Within One Second of JP challenge, flips the car at the end, but he made it.

enjoyable sizing each other up some good sizing some good sizing in this movie super understand that like it seemed like he had like one good sector but stalled once and then crashed

they're like that's our guy

he's 52 and he crashed i really like when uh

when they're when they're like is he auditioning he's like no he's auditioning us

That is a trope. Yeah.

I have Sonny and Kate having a beer

right into the Rocky Four training montage. Training montage is great.
It's like JP's doing the new school version, but

there's our guy, Sonny, old school. Just doing pull-ups.

We don't talk about that trope. Old school, new school training montage.

Salone invented that shit. They invented it.
Yeah.

I can't, I got to say, CR has been in my life for so long that when the two beer scene, for some reason, I just think of CR immediately as I'm watching it.

I'm like, CR would have loved this, watching this girl with a big pint. Yeah.
And if she pulled out a cigarette, like you said earlier, I think it would have been all over.

Good. We don't get a lot of pint scenes anymore.
It's also a very idyllic pub on a canal, like it's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful public. They look great.
Yeah, they look awesome.

I mean, neither of them is really drinking the beer. No, yes.

I wonder if that's that. She leaves, it's like just that much.
I wondered if that was a F1 thing because the only person who's really drinking alcohol in this movie is Tobias Menzies,

and everybody else is kind of having non-NA beers. Yeah.
You know, we're this deep into the pod. We haven't really talked about this movie as a function

of F1 propaganda. F1 propaganda commercial stuff.
I mean, every single driver's in it.

I didn't want to, I didn't want to spend too much time on that because there was so much written and discussed about it when the movie came up. But it is, we probably should be

getting into

commercial for F1. Yeah.
I mean, Lewis Hamilton's in the end. Nobody's a villain.
Lewis Hamilton is part of the filmmaking team. Yeah.

And no, there's nothing like Ferrari is the bad guys or Red Bull are the bad guys. There are no bad guys.
Although I will say, interestingly enough, I'm sure we're going to get to this at some point.

The F1 community

kind of mixed on this movie. Yeah.
Surprisingly. Some of the drivers even were just like, eh,

they have to be like Carlos Saints has to get passed. You know what I mean? Like Max gets passed by these dudes.
I'm interested because I. saw that in the research too.

I'm interested in what they would have wanted. Yeah, but that's the thing.
Like if somebody, it's like when they made that rom-com about the place that seemed like Grantland,

and we're like, you fucking guys, that's not like that. We wouldn't have my office wouldn't be that nice.
What is this movie? And then the Glenn Powell movie, right? It was the Gren Powell movie with,

and they admitted it was like based on like a Grantland type of place.

And it was like so much nicer than Grantland in the office. We just had like

people crammed together. Yeah.

So,

oh, I forgot in the beer thing. This was another like mini trope.
They're saying Sonny is and it has been. He's a never was.

I feel like I've heard that line before. I don't know.
There's some lines where it's like, oh, this definitely got pulled out of AI. Next scene, Sonny exploits the rules by causing minor crashes.

Plants to get JP into the top 10.

I'm just going to do this as a nitpick now. Can you do this?

I don't think so to the extent that they're going to be. It's probably why the F1 people didn't like this.

Well, I think when you read like, like, I was reading reviews of the movie in F1 and auto racing magazines, and they were like, this is ridiculous. This is ridiculous.
No one would ever do this.

You couldn't do that. So I think if you're a general fan of, like, if you're obviously a movie going fan, but if you are like, I am broadly aware of F1, but don't understand the minutiae of it.

you love this movie. And if you do understand all the details of F1, you're probably like, well, that's bullshit.

So I always think, what would I have, if I was a banker and I was watching the big short, because the big short is the only other movie that I can compare to this film that has to do work in order for the narrative to be understood,

has to do work in educating the audience as you're watching the movie. And obviously,

it's fabled. They did it in a very ingenious way.
But in this movie, if not for that part that probably doesn't happen, I would really not know what was going on.

There's like a couple of different parts in the film where some of the stuff that they use in story explains to me.

That's a really good example because Big Short has all those direct-to-camera moments with like Senator Gomez and Anthony Bourne. But then also like in margin call,

there will be times in margin call where a character will be like, explain this to me like I'm 10.

And it's like, well, you probably understand a little bit more of a sophisticated version of this, but.

you know, if you, if you want Jeremy Irons to say that, you can have it. And you, that way the audience understands how the housing crisis starts.

I was trying to think of the sports that we watch all the time. What would be the example of him causing the minor crashes, but it somehow being legal?

Be in football, if you're like, there's 30 seconds left, the other team's on there 20, and you just did pass interference every time to chew the clock up, like five yards right off the line of the scrimmage, and it just chews up five seconds.

And then the other team's at the 45 with no time left, which I've seen teams try to do. And if that was an even more blatant version of that strategy, that's kind of like a little hackershack.

Yeah, a little bit too. Hackershack.
Hackershack is good. Hackershack is good too.
Yeah. JP crashes in the rain.

This is an incredible sports movie scene. The Manza, the whole Manza racism.
Every piece of this is great.

The combat chant right into the sunny is putting it together montage. Say something about the crash real quick.

Yeah.

Another reason why that crash is great is because in the movie, You don't know if he's going to die. It's very...
Well, it's unexpected. Yeah.
Yeah.

You think he's going to win the race. You're just like, oh, he's going to pass this guy.
Once he crashes,

I could see them killing him. Yeah.
Like it's a Brad Pitt deal. He's there.
I could see the character dying. It's not like when you

in a Marvel film or some of these other big budget IP movies, these people are signed up for nobody's going to die. There's a danger to this film because you don't know what's going to happen.

I could see them killing him. I thought maybe he was dead.

The combat chant, Sonny putting it together, montage, really good music. The poker game, I have some thoughts on the poker game later, but

it's an enjoyable scene. The first time through, yeah.
Carrie's wearing the strapless. I want to re-watch it.
Gonna be completely candid.

There is like an hour and a half version of this movie that's just the races. That is just like, yeah, that's all I want to watch in my life.

Well, they need this, though, to set up the hookup with her. Yeah.
But I just like when anybody plays cards in a movie. The balcony scene.
The Brad Pitt face. I was going to be world champion.

Best there ever was.

Then it was all taken away.

Um, chasing that moment every time I get in the car, I don't know when I'll find it again, but man, I want to. It's in that moment, I'm flying.

It's pretty good. Yeah,

she's just looking. They got the balcony with Vegas.
Great scene.

Um,

I like when they don't want him to race.

If it's the last thing I do is drive that car, I will take that low. This is after Vegas when he crashes.
After Vegas, um, I had a question, though.

Why not, when they're trying to decide whether Sonny should race or not, why not have Javier Bardem do a coin toss?

All of a sudden his hair is parted forward. Yeah.

And he's just like, call it, call it Sonny.

Then the final sprint

and then them winning and a champagne spray celebration. That seems really fun.
Did the right guy crash?

Let's just do this now. Oh, this is my hottest take.
Well, let's hear it. Let's go.
Just do it now.

It's a a better movie if if sunny crashes my luke wilson hottest take is basically sunning sunny winning abu dhabi much like maverick where maverick has to be the one who saves everybody's asses uh is probably good for this movie but bad for the movie industry and it is kind of like a metaphor for like baby boomers staying in their houses like we got to get you guys out of the paint and It's not good for the movie industry if we don't build more Brad Pitts and more Tom Cruises.

And if these guys keep making movies like this where they're like, no, no, no, I win.

I'm the champion. But thank you for your assistance.
It's bad for them. It's bad for the movie industry.
So I like it in the movie. We talked about the crash at the end.

I remember we talked about this when we did the thing on MyPod because that was the one thing I had walking out of the theater where I was like,

huh.

The better movie is if Damson wins. Yes.
Well, it's and Sonny puts him forward and pays it forward and the team wins, but they have Sonny win and it's just, and then it's like, you'll win more later.

You're going to win 10 of these. It's like, will he? I don't know.
So the best version of this to me that's ever been done in this old dog, new dog thing is in color of money. Yeah.
We're at the end.

What's this? Newman wins, but you don't, he doesn't know that he actually didn't win, that he's in a world now to where he can't see the angles anymore. So actually, Vince won.

So So you walk away, you kind of get the best of both worlds. Now you get

Eddie Philson

like renewed and all of that. And you get the actual character walking away smiling, the young guy smiling.
In this movie, though, I'm going to keep it all the way real with y'all.

I didn't go to the movie to watch Damson win. Okay.
So here's the only flip I would say.

What you are saying is true, but like by the time we built it up to him, because they didn't do enough for Damson's character in the movie to make him winning the race satisfactory.

If his mom would have needed, if we knew more about all of this stuff. I completely agree.
But like, they didn't do enough

for him to win the race. First time I was shocked that he didn't win.
Second time, Pitt winning made more sense to me in the context of the movie.

But I still think it's more interesting if they flip it. It's just a more interesting movie.

Like the movie that probably did the... the handover the best is Creed.

And it's also a very successful franchise about a new quote-unquote character even though it's like a i was gonna say any given sunday uh because cap gets hurt right before halftime sure yeah but we makes the dennis quade face like once again in that movie there's no stakes in willie beam and taking over cap we barely get to know cap we're doing but it would be kind of cool if if like to redo sunny crashes in vegas and he's not allowed to race anymore like reuben won't let him race so he be becomes the guy on the guy in the ear you know kate man nobody wants that i know but i'm just saying like it's bad for for the movie industry if we do not make these dudes into like superstars.

I don't disagree. Like, you wonder if in F2, if JP gets to win or if they even, they could literally not bring JP back for F2.
Fuck, I mean, F2 could just be Brad Pitt and Baja, and I go see it. Yeah,

would you see that? Yeah.

I'll probably go watch it.

Brad, Sonny Bunch, and Baja. Yeah.
Let Taylor Sheridan write it. The cartels coming after him.

Okay. So that that was my hottest tape, but we put it in for Abu Dhabi.

You know, when you get old in life, things get taken away from you.

It's part of life. You only learn that when you start losing stuff.

Find out that life is just a game of inches. Are you still doing any given? What's Sunday? What's happening? I'm just getting you guys ready for 2026 any given Sunday.

And this team, we fight for that inch. I was like, did Sonny say that? Yeah, I'm like, what's the problem?

That probably would have been the way to have Sonny not race in the final race as he gives a pachini like any given Sunday speech to JP.

What's your most re-watchable scene? Manza. It's fucking awesome.
The virtual safety car, the rain coming in, Sonny cuts off. I like when the guy whips the fire thing to him so Sonny's closer.

And then good little details. The slingshot move and the rain spray is awesome.
So Manza, I also really like

the British Grand Prix when Sonny doesn't start. Like it's like the race starts and Sonny's just sitting there and they're like, what's he doing? Yeah, what's he doing? He's playing us.
Yeah.

If not for him,

uh,

flying is definitely Monza for me. But the flying part, which is really cool.
That's my answer as well. There's only one other scene that I like.
I love the ending of this movie.

I love any scene in a movie where two old friends see each other, but at first they pretend like they don't know each other. Yeah.
And then that's the CR and I'm like, or the diner? Yeah, the diner.

You old son of a bitch. Come here, you son of a bitch.
Come here, you son of a bitch. You You old fucking son.
It's good to see you. Like, I love any scene like this.

We should start doing that every time we see each other.

That's when I come find CR in London in 25 years.

I'm having a beer with Carrie Condon. Yeah.
And you got to go, we got a pod one more time.

He got a new podcast idea.

It's a rewatchables of Oz. I need you.

What's the most 2025 thing about this movie?

Well, this just happened, but I'll give you a drive to survive reference.

The F1 having a major race in Las Vegas could only have happened in the last two years, and then JP watching Sonny's 1993 accident on YouTube.

Yeah, I mean,

it's pretty

rooted in the 2020s. Making a movie like this about F1 at this particular point, F1 has taken over F1 being internationally beloved, celeb-infested

sport. I want to know how you feel about this.
So, to me, F1 is the new soccer

in that it's a sport

that you have to act like you care about if you are a cosmopolitan sport. From an American standpoint? Yeah, if you're a cosmopolitan sports fan, like us regular sports fans that get into

baseball, playoff baseball, football, and basketball, maybe a little tennis, maybe a little golf when there's a dominant person. And you're pretending you know something about the World Cup.
Right.

But like, if you're. Because the Croatian could beat England.
Like,

I heard that, by the way, on YouTube. Just like last year, there was friends of mine that were going, yeah, I'm going.
I got to go support my fucking driving team.

I'm like, get the fuck out of here, your driving team. What the fuck? I will say the under 30s, there were, there were some people that jumped right in.
But that's a part of it. Like now, everybody.

The podcast does pretty well. Everybody, I'm not saying it's a bad thing at the Make Schuster.
I'm just saying everybody now has to have like a soccer team.

You know, everybody has to have a soccer team. And it's like, if you're, you're a true sports fan, if you're into soccer, if you're into the WNBA,

you're a true sports fan.

Being a conference, the WNBA went on a three-year strike.

The WNBA cooking right now. It's like fun to watch.
I hope it's cooking with

regular season games next year. Have you seen Audi Crooks? Where did she? What are we talking to? She plays for Iowa State.
Iowa State. Have I seen Audi Crooks? All right.

Just making sure you're supporting the league, Bill, because they need you.

If you don't, because you've been in the past. I was texting with Sine yesterday about it.
I was.

Because she's going to come on the pod soon because we really have to figure out this WNBA strike before it becomes a strike. Yeah.

This is not a good situation.

Do people with F1, do they more cheer for drivers or teams? I think it's drivers, right? Like the people that I know that are in the team.

I think it's like basketball where some people have teams and other people have drivers. So if the driver switches team, it's like LeBron.
Oh, LeBron's on the Cavs again.

I'm removing fruiting for the Cavs. Let me ask you this.
Michael Schumacher was F1, right? Sure. Yes.
Because in the, yeah, in the 90s, he was everywhere, right?

So they did, like, those guys also moved around, like they did Indy. Indy Carson.

They would race F1 and also race other. Did he have a feud with Cole Trickle?

Schumacher? No, it was him in Sena. We're racing.
Going back and forth.

Woodsage the best.

Brad Pitt living in a trailer, I'm just in every time. Yeah.
At this point. I don't know if anyone's ever lived in a trailer better than him in a movie.

It would be funny if he was playing like FDR, but he was living in a trailer

back on a white. She just released a movie called Brad Pitt's Living in the Trailer.
Yeah, but that's just the movie. Prence these buddies FDR.

As good looking as he is, he does slovenly.

Yeah, he does like

fucking hot, you can just do whatever you want. Who's your favorite Bad Pitt character ever? Is the Moneyball guy? Nah,

Tyler. My favorite is probably either true romance

or or fight club yeah mine is floyd floyd in true romance hands down yeah he's one of my favorite characters of all just coming back just to

and then burn after reading would be like a an honorable mention um what's age the best

i like movies with just a great expensive soundtrack yeah that they're just like

We're going to have Queen and Led Zeppelin and some other shit on this.

They also just did a full album of new music

for this record.

I have have a bunch. What do you have? I'm just a fucking Irish guy who loves Carrie Condon.

Yeah, I got Carrie Condon. I love it when she goes, what's wrong with the car? The guy is sitting in it.

And her shoes.

And we also, we got to bring.

We got to start saying box box. Like next time I have to pee, I'm going to be like, box box.
I'm going to walk off set.

Like with like the F1 Pitt call when like they're like, I have to bring the car into the road. They're like, box, box, box.

Did you notice that? I did. Okay.

I was thinking about, should they have added a scene when,

because we never see Damson's dad if

JP's dad, they're like, what happened to him? And Carrie Connor was like,

I gave him a taste.

She took to it right away.

Right away. You did chemical way.

It was on. I told TR it was on the other day.
I watched the entire movie. I just seen it like two months ago.
I'm gonna be real. If it's on, I just hop in.
I watch a lot of villains say a lot

of evil shit. Flower guys being like, I got your mother

saying that to him is the most evil shit. And then your dad let you think she just ran away.
Dude, walking on as he's doing the fucking flower, while you're putting your fucking flyers out there,

like that guy, that's one of the most evil villain monologues that I've ever seen. That's that was an evil motherfucking

spirit animal.

with us the fcr uh just like our introduction to sunny as a guy who's like listening to led zeppelin doing his clothes at the laundromat yeah listening to the radio i just think it's like a great character beat where you're like this is a dude that's out of step with modern times what do you have the technical stuff had that as well like the in-race scoreboard graphic helpers all of the technical technical stuff yeah how beautiful this movie almost looks like it could be it takes place in the present time but like this movie looks like it could be like a near futurist film with how much stuff is going on it's also crazy how much you kind of like i i never really truly understand what the is happening but like by the end of the movie you're like oh my god he's gonna undercut him you know i'm like i didn't know what that concept was before i watched this movie and as a commercial this might be the single most and maybe you guys can think of one that's better this might be the single most effective movie commercial, maybe other than the wizard.

Like when you were a kid and you were watching the wizard, you wanted to play Mario 3 like crazy when the wizard came out.

But this, knowing that that world exists, like these incredibly rich, beautiful people watching people drive these, that looks like an intoxicating world to be a part of.

It made me sort of almost halfway, half a 1% interested in F1. And I've never watched it.
Yeah, the outdoor luxury box situation they have with the evil villain guy entertaining his guests.

Yeah, that seems pretty fun. Yeah.
Who wants some caviar, guys? As we watch guys, it seems like 80% of F1 audiences are in executive suites somehow.

I had the same thing with the scoreboard graphic helpers, how we always know where we are in the race. I just think we've seen so many sports movies where they fuck that up.

You don't know what the score is, or they have announcers. And here comes

Sonny Hayes. We didn't expect to see him.
And they just screw it up. I have asking diner waitresses for advice.

Always a win.

What do you think there, Louise? Yeah. well how much are we talking yeah it's not about the money that they just diner waitresses are just undefeated um

a lot they've been through a lot it's really funny they've seen a lot they're like bartenders but they've seen even more brad pick got 30 million dollars to do this movie he's like it's not about the money

uh the morning jogs we mentioned

The old school opening credit sequence. Awesome.

We don't do opening credits anymore, Van.

Brought me back to the 90s. And then my last one, there's another sports movie tropo mini-one,

in this case, the jumpy pit crew member. Yeah, Jodi.
Where you're like, oh, she's going to be redeemed. Yeah.
She's going to come through.

We're going to have a changeover at one point. She'll have our shit together.

I always enjoy those. Okay.
Big Kuna Burger Award, Bessie's Food and Drink, The Beers, the Mayor Day. Yeah,

easy one. Honorable mention to Bart M and Pitt's diner scene.
That's a good two, yeah. Great shot, Gordo,

JP's car crash, and slow-mo. Yeah.
That's a clear winner, but I was trying to think. There's so many awesome shots in the movie that's awesome.

You know, it just like gets my fucking heart going is just the shot of Sonny taking checkered flag and the fucking fireworks going off. It's like, that's gorgeous, beautiful.

Yeah, great use of fireworks in this movie.

Kid Cutty Pursuit of Happiness Award, Best Needle Drop. It's clearly a whole lot of love.
Led Zepp, but I do like the Chris Tapleton song that plays over the practice race. That when

Sonny first gets to the team. Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers, best character name, Sonny Hayes.

What do you have? The British media, the sports reporter, Don Cavendish.

Sonny, Sonny, you're a gambler.

That could have been, that should be a new category for 26. What part could CR have played? That would have been you.
You easily could have been Don Cavendish. Cavendish comes up.

Oh, you have a flex category. What do you got? Oh, when would I have died?

Now, most people would probably say when they were driving, I think I would die cleaning gravel off of the track.

I think I would be like busy listening to something and then like getting distracted.

Final destination.

Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. I have a glaring one, but what do you have? I have one.
You go. No, you go.
You go.

It was hard for me to like

find one, but it was probably his manager.

Punch it in. Yeah.
It's, it's, it's the guy, Samson KO is good in it, yeah, but it is a nothing party. Yeah, that doesn't mean anything.

Yeah, is he a bad guy, a good guy? And he, even at the end, when JP decides not to do it, they didn't, they haven't committed enough to the character. He just like daps him up.

He's like, cool, we're not going to do social media anymore. Right.
I don't have a job. He's just fired me, but that's great.
I mean, they're probably cousins or something like that. Yeah, they are.

But these guys exist, though. It's like the Anthony Edwards's buddy in the datas commercial.
But you need, to me, you got to commit to that character a little bit. Give that character something.

Make him a little sinister. Yeah, he has to be like, I want to go to these parties for myself.
I need you to come to get me in. Kind of

trying to get laid, either funnier or more serious, or something.

Sonny's way too old to be an F1 driver. That's picking nits, though.
No, this is the weak link in the film. I looked it up.

The oldest Formula One driver ever to win a Grand Prix was uh Luigi Faggioli. He's 53 years old.
That was in 1951 at the French Grand Prix.

Lewis Hamilton is the oldest 21st century driver to win a race. He was 39 years old in 2004.
Sonny crashed in 93.

So he's either 19 or 20 when he crashes. So that makes him 51, 52, or 53 in this film.
This would be like fucking Jack Nicholas winning the 86 Masters multiplied by seven. It's impossible, right?

There are no 50-year-old F1 drivers. It's also like how many old F1 drivers have also had major spinal surgery.
C5

and never were really in an F1 before. Yeah.
All of this is improbable, but I love it.

And that's why I'd want to put put a nitpicks was there a better title for this movie in 2023 espn reported that the film was titled apex terrible title

terrible title and for a movie that's i don't like the title f1 i don't think it's a good title i think it's too confusing with the actual property and i think they should have come up with a better one whether they call this sunny haze apex

f1 it's like you google it and f1 comes up i think also f1 calling it that made it seem more explicitly like an advertisement for the movie for the for the racing.

So it almost like is like a little like you call it flying. No, but that's the thing is like, what are you going to call it?

But you know, if you're trying, if you're trying to, I don't like the Apex name.

If you're, if you're trying to do a commercial for F1, like I said, the movie, it lives inside this, the fact that it's straightforward and vapid.

Counter, if this was a movie about an NBA player and they've just called it NBA, that'd be weird. It It wouldn't make any sense because the sports are well astacked.
You guys going to see NBA?

No, man, I'm going to see Atlanta Hawks. It's got the independent version of it.
F1. That's a bad title.
What's age the worst?

So we don't know because this movie only came out six months ago. I got one.
What do you got? Real one.

So

Lewis Hamilton's beloved dog, Roscoe, is in this film. Oh, and he, yeah, now he's dead.
Roscoe has passed away. It was very tough for Lewis Hamilton.
He talked a lot about it.

And when I saw Rock, when I went to go see the movie at first, Roscoe was still alive and well. It was cool.
He meant a lot to F1. He was kind of an F1 mascot.

When you see him now, you think about how much that much sense of Hamilton. Yeah.

I had this as more than a nitpick, so I put it here.

This movie ends three times, and I think you could make a case. You just stick with the first ending.

Which would be what? Yeah, what's it?

He wins the race. He's walking off.
It could have ended there. He's got to say goodbye to Carrie Condon.
So you have that moment. It could have ended ended there.

Then he's got to say goodbye one more time to JP.

Easily could ended there. And now we're going to Baja.
Yeah, Baja. Baja was too much.
Baja was too much. What the fuck? Baja was fine, but just make that a deleted scene.

It was like they liked how they shot it. Or post-credit it.
Like Baja was too much. Right.

End the movie and maybe make that just post-credits completely, but there's no way that should have been the ending. You could have just ended this with him spraying the champagne.

I think you're right, but it is like, this is a guy who does what he says he's going to do. And it's it's not about the money.
It's about the driving, you know?

So you have to have that hammered home one more time when he gets, when he gets to Baja, when he gets to Mexico. All right.
I find it hard to believe this guy's like, my F1 career is now over.

I won my one race. Age the worst.
I mean, this is also a nitpick, but we kind of mentioned this.

I think there should have been more scenes of F1 drivers interacting with these guys and or commenting on

the fictional reality of the movie. Well, even that one scene with the talk show with the guy, with the guy who ran Apex with the two real guys.
Yeah,

Zach Brown and yeah. Ruffalo Hannah Rubnick Partridge Over Acting Award.

I would probably say you're an English reporter guy. He's dialing in.
What is that guy doing? He's like on cocaine. Yeah.

Treating people like shit, asking crazy questions. Yeah.
It's paid out of those.

You got a flex category, Van. I do.
I got another top five. This is the top five scenes of old guys schooling young guys in movies.

Five to one. Number five, Joe Clark to Sam's in Lean on Me.
Yeah.

On the roof. Yeah.
Why don't you just jump? It kills your brain cells, son. It kills your brain cells.

Sam's looking that he's overtaken by the fact that he's actually on crack and Joe Clark is trying to save his life. I don't think you're allowed to do that in schools anymore.
Probably not.

To fake like you're going to push somebody off the roof of the goddamn Clems continues to investigate. Right.
Like Joe Clark.

Number four, Rocky beats up Tommy Gunn.

Yeah. God, I can't believe how much we have to talk about this.
I'm sorry, bro. Rocky putting them hands on Tommy.
Tommy was asking for it. Tommy was asking for it.
Okay. That's very mean.

Come into the bar and start talking shit. Number three,

Shep

out dueling Kyle Watson in the one-on-one game and above the rim. Yep.
15 straight, 14 footers. And then at the end, you hear that?

You hear that? He's talking to his friend. He says, I'm cool.
It's good.

Number two, that's where they probably would have put him in a straitjacket when he's talking to his friend.

You hear that, Nutso?

Nutso, you hear that? Nuts so he liked nutso more than anyone's ever liked one of their friends. Like, did you ever have a friend you cared about more than nuts?

I have a couple of them, but no friends that I would play basketball on the roof with with no fence, and then the way nutso died is fucking absolutely the best. Okay, um, that movie's elite.

Number two is

split. One, Yoda schooling Luke.
Yeah. When Luke cannot raise the 2014

out of the thing. And then Luke's dad also got schooled.
Yeah. Kenobi stood there and he said, Anakin, don't try it.
Don't try to jump. And Anakin went.
You're underestimating my power.

He jumped and Kenobi cut his fucking leg. Spoiler.
Jesus. like come on

no you're talking about the prequels i'm talking about in uh in revenge of the sith it's just like one of my all-time favorite you got too much dip on your chip moments andakin's like i'm the chosen one i could jump so that was two star wars as number one as number no no as number two number one is very clear this is the best and i hate to give you this props the best old guy schooling young guy scene ever to me is

Robin Williams to Matt Damon on the bench in Goodwill Hunting.

Just watched it with Ben Simmons. Is he really? Ben Simmons and I watched Goodwill Hunting and Shaw Shank Redemption back to back two nights of guys.
Does Ben like F1? Yo, he loved it.

Yeah, that's some hardcore bonding right there. Goodwill Hunting was great.
I sitting down there and he's telling him the whole thing. He just cuts Will down.

You looked at a painting for five seconds and you cut apart my fucking life. My whole fucking life.

You ever been on a plane before?

Like the whole nine just takes his whole shit apart because Will is a genius but robin williams is experienced your move chief your move chief yep it's a great one i will say watching shawshank with ben was one of my highlights of 2025 he had no idea what was going to happen really

and he was like is he gonna then andy gets the rope he's going back to his cell and he's like he's gonna hang himself like what the fuck

and then the next day they're like he doesn't come out for the cell and he's gone and ben was just like he lost his mind like four times forget how great that movie is

Hottest take CR already gave his,

did you have one? Yeah. I don't like anybody in real life or in movies that throws cards for fun.

It's also,

have you ever in your life seen somebody do that? It's like, think about what kind of obsessive bastard you have to be to throw all of them cards for fun. I don't trust you at all.

I think that, number one, you got to go clean up all the cards, then you got to do it again. Crazy alone time you got to spend.
Number two, it's kind of violent. You're throwing cards.

I feel like what you really want to be throwing is like ninja stars or some shit like that. That can be a switchblade, like a fireworks.
Like you want to throw something at somebody.

Number two, I just never trusted anyone that's like, that's like too into cards and using cards as tricks and throwing cards. There's one guy in the history of throwing cards that was cool.

One dude, Gambit, X-Men, charge a car kinetically, throw it.

You're really pushing Bill with Revenge of the Sith and Gambit from X-Men. Come on,

you gotta know it. It's a useless skill just throwing cars sitting around there.
They always make it as a cool movie thing too. You're just tossing cards.

I've never liked people that done that before.

My hottest take was that I like racing movies 10 times more than actual racing. Yes.

Let's take a break and then we'll do some casting what ifs.

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Rocketmoney.com slash the ringer casting what ifs you mentioned damson idris was hired after passing the f1 driving test we don't know who the other actors he beat out were but we'll find out in about 12 years as the internet starts making up names of people that are around the same age simone ashley we do know that she did promotional tour interviews is in the movie as his love interest and then just got cut out

um

almost suck yes can you imagine because you're probably like i'm i'm in i'm going to be in one of the biggest movies of the year, and I'm like a big part.

And they're just like, yeah, it just didn't work. Then you go to the movie.
I went to F1. Where were you? But you go to the movie and you're like, oh, so we needed another jogging scene.
Yeah.

Thanks, motherfuckers.

Pitt was supposed to be in the original Ford versus Fryer with Tom Cruise, and it was called Go Like Hell with Kaczynski directing, but it fell apart. Yep.
And they ended up working together in this.

Best That Guy Award.

I mean, there's a few. What'd you have for this? I have Kim Badnaya from the dude from Killing Eve.
Is Casper, the team principal, like the guy who's

got his family coming to visit at the garage and stuff? Or Will Merrick, who's the dude who's always like box, box, box.

Who's the guy in the first scene, the whole lot of love scene? Shea Wiggum. Yeah.
That's not a. That's not a scene.
He's not a guy. That's a fucking major dude.
Yeah, that's a dude. That's a guy.

Yeah. It's a dude.
That's sort of. He used to be that guy, though.

But he's been in. He's a graduated that guy.
Very much so. Yeah.
He's Shay. Although maybe not, because I couldn't remember his name.
Maybe he hasn't graduated. Would you give him Deion Waiters?

That's my Dion Waiters. Shea?

Because I can't, he's, he's, he's so much more of a that guy than me, uh, for to me, that I could not understand why he showed up in the movie for one scene and then had three lines, and then you never see him again.

Apple, Apple money.

Like, come on in.

I wonder whether or not he was supposed to be. have a bigger part.
I don't know that he was also maybe trimmed down or cut out. Deion Waiters.

Could we go with the aggressive English reporter Don Cavendish? We could do a Don Cavendish. I have, I went with Tobias Menzies.
Do you think Peter Banning is in this movie too much?

Ah, he's in too much. He might be in a little too much.
That's a good one, though, because when he's actually dialing it up, I don't really think this movie needed that character. Yeah.
It's a knit.

The villain turn is like completely wet. And like the whole like, betray Ruben.
And I leaked the papers. It's like, I don't know.

It was going fine. You could go with the McLaren and the Ferrari guys in that one scene, too, maybe.
Yeah.

Just coming in hot, shitting all over uh the bus recasting couch director a city i wouldn't change anything well they also used all the cities yeah they used every city craig is not here craig's on vacation in his no flex category half fast center research bruck hymer said it took a year to convince everyone to be able to do this on race weekends uh everybody was worried about being the villain he promised everyone no villains The trailer uses the chain by Fleetwood Mac,

which apparently Formula One's been using on BBC since 1978, but that's not in the movie.

The crash that ended Sonny's career was based on the actual crash of Martin Donnelly in the 1990s Spanish Grand Prix.

He was an advisor on the film. Kaczynski said they had over

5,000 hours of footage in two years to edit because of the strikes. And he thought that was one of the reasons the movie was so good.

A former F1 female strategy engineer named Bernie Collins from Northern Ireland CR provided the inspiration for the Carrie Connant character. Sure.

Could be wife too. Who knows? I don't know what she's doing.

She smokes Barbara Red

and Six.

The F1 album has just a lot of famous people in it. Sheeran Stapleton.
Yeah.

Sponsorships from various brands in this movie brought in at least 40 million bucks.

That's another reason why they disputed the budget stuff. Yeah.

There's a whole bunch of camera stuff that I'm not going to go through, but if you're interested in it, you could read about all the ways they mounted things, Apple making them, how they made the smallest cameras ever.

So I looked around for a dock on all of this, and there's not. I was really mostly stuff about

Samson and Brad learning how to drive stuff, but like the cameras were essentially like the kind that they used in Top Gun, operated by remote control.

And like the stuff that they're doing where it's like on Brad Pitt's face and then snap panning to another driver, whether that's a visual effect or what, it's incredible. Well,

the director said that one of

the primary focuses that they had was making sure that when they were on the guys during the race, racing scenes, that they didn't have to act.

It's like one thing that can throw the racing scenes off is if the guys' faces don't match the intensity of what's happening. Yeah, Cruise, I'm sorry, Pitt looks like he's...

Couple, especially in the last scene, it really looks like he's

like he's like flying to outer space. Apex Mountain, too too hard to do when the movie just came out.
I do think it's Apex Mountain.

I think F1 has a real Apex Mountain and Kaczynski because now it's back-to-back

huge movies.

I don't know about anybody else. Maybe Carrie Condon was a good movie.
I could argue that.

Yeah, I could argue that Kaczynski was top gunner. But it's this.
It's F1 for sure. I think Maverick with this, that guy is now.

We're going to his next movie. I don't know what it is.
It's like Miami Vice.

Did we meet him last month? We did, right? Running man. Yeah,

I tried to be cool. Who, Kaczynski? Yeah.
He came to the office. Jack Sanders.

Jack Sanders completely embarrassed me. Why? What did he say? So, like, fucking Jack Sanders.
Like, Jack Sanders comes up to the office.

Did you try to go up to Joe and go, Joe Kaczynski, you son of a bitch?

Jack, me and Jack have this thing that we do. Yeah.
To where I see Jack and I go, what time is it? And Jack says, it's nigga time.

Jack Sanders? Yeah.

Like, and he said that Jack says that, right? And this is, it's a part of me and Jack's bonding. Yeah.
And so it's a part of me and Jack's bonding. And we say that.

And so that doesn't happen. And so I walked up to Jack.
Man, this is fucked up if you're lying.

He's been doing this. Also, can we actually?

He's got like this weird new thing he's doing.

There's this story which did not happen. I know it didn't.
And then the other day, he sent me like 14 fucking text messages being like, Chris, Chris, Chris, Tua wants to come on the the watch.

I was like, Tua from the Dolphins. And he's like, Yeah, Tua likes the show.
He wants to come on the watch. And I'm like, man, you're fucking with me.

But, like, honestly, like, I don't really know if we would have a spot for Tua if he doesn't watch shows.

He's like, what does Tua want to do? And you're like, why don't you just answer me about whether Tua is allowed on the watch?

What's wrong with you?

Don't you see enough to do? This is your best bid of 2025.

So

I walk up to Jack.

we can't run

okay at least you made that one point i did make so listen i've so he's

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait i've asked this to be a bit for me and jack and jack has never agreed no right so i've asked for this to be a bit

between me and jack and jack has never agreed and kaczynski was in the that guy kaczynski was in the office and he was doing uh

the big picture. And so I walk up to Jack when he's with Kaczynski and I go, yo, Jack, what time is it? And Jack goes, man, leave me alone.
I'm doing important stuff.

And then I realized that Kaczynski was with him. Yeah.
And he walked away and Kaczynski turned around and was boom. So your point is that Jack has never said that.
No, Jack has never said it.

Jack refuses to say it. I'm glad that came in.
And

I kept telling Jack over and over and over again. Gowler's the most powerful man in the world right now.
He could single-handedly.

I'm like, Jack, come on. Jack's like, no, man, no.

So Tua didn't want to come on the watch. He didn't reach out.

Bro, I was so high when I was seeing this.

I love this.

Cruise or X?

Cruise. Yeah.

And there has been like...

Kaczynski said this, I think, in somewhat jest, but it was a F2 could be Days of Thunder 2. Like we could have hey, I saw that cultural and that's interesting.

A 65-year-old F1 driver sounds realistic. I mean, just

definitely, just just for what it now, right? See our tour, like dog.

What if there was just like a car racing movie and it was just but Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise sitting in the stands drinking Mickelo?

It should be a movie where Tom Cruise has to get his driver's license renewed. Yeah, that's the movie.
It's called Renewal. Yeah, Renewal Scorsese or Spielberg, Scorsese, Spielberg.

perfect movie for spielberg i guess so i guess so perfect perfect movie for spielberg i would like score stazy this is essentially jurassic park but with cars the cars or the all right fine

what role have philip seymorhoff gonna have played the villain investor there's no question yeah peter banning

picking it's

i have a slew of them so go ahead i mean the number one thing from what i've gathered from f1 is that sunny would not be allowed to just fly to abu dhabi and race

fly premium economy, walk onto the track, and be like, I'm racing. Well, there's on top of the fact that that's like a 30-hour flight, and he would be completely jet-lagged.

He's just like, Where's my helmet? He's also getting in premium economy seating for like a global flight after screwing his backup, right? The whole nine, he's got yeah, that's the thing.

He's not flying more than four hours without standing up and just going up and down. Uh, my other one, they said it is a breach of Formula One Rules, by the way.
You have to qualify, you do yours.

Well, I got one. Yeah,

have we ever paid attention to the fact that when we compare Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, that's one thing that Tom Cruise is clearly better at. Brad Pitt is a terrible runner.

He looks terrible. Like cigar level bad? Not cigar level bad.
Are you saying that because of the outfits that he wears while he jogs?

I'm watching him in the movie when he's running, and it was jarring to me that he was running like this. He looked terrible to me when he was running.
He's a bad runner. He's a bad movie runner.

Isn't he running in chucks in this movie, too? He might be. That might be the the reason why his Achilles might be sore.
So I thought he was doing a bit because Sonny is a bad back trying to run.

He's running in characters. Maybe.
I tried to think of other movies where he ran. There's a little bit of running in Troy.
Troy, he looks like deadly athletic.

But like, in this one, the running was bad. Bad running from Pip.

No Sagal, though. No, come on, man.
No Sagal. Sagal just running with his hands by his sides.
I have a couple Nick picking nits, including the clumsy Pip boss blonde. What was her name? Jodi.

She's fired 10 minutes in the movie. You fuck that up once.
You're done. Is that right?

No, I just think they fire her. Okay.
They're like, oh, we'll give her another chance. She just costs you nine seconds.
She's done. Got to be careful.
Fire. She goes to Ronan Farrow.

I have a new award to give out. You fucked.

And you're kicking nits. Yeah.

But I think this is a new award we could carry over. It's the Michael Rooker and Cliffhanger.
What the fuck are you mad about a word to JP's mom? What is she mad at Sonny for? Yeah.

Her son audible and played

crashed, she doesn't know what happened. He's just yelling at Sonny.
He tells her later, yeah, but I know, but come on, he tells her later what happened. She doesn't know what happened.

It's like, it's actually like, isn't all that stuff on radio and recapture? Captured, wouldn't anybody be like, hey, Sonny's mom, like Sonny actually or well, how she don't get to the radio?

Is she not a part of the team? Yeah, but it's even, don't they broadcast that shit on television? I don't know. Listen,

Sunny just decided to be like, yo. Yeah, somebody's got to be like, yo, Sonny tried to tell him to wait and he didn't.

Michael Rooker is still the worst one, though. What are you mad at Gabe for? He's climbing on a line to save your dumbass girlfriend who shouldn't have been hiking? You cliffhanger guy or no?

I like it. Come on.

1993, Sonny,

when they do the flashback. Come on, we have better special effects than this.
Spent 300 million on the movie, and it looks like Brad Pitt wearing a wig.

He looks like he's like wearing Wayne's World's the old Garth wig. Yes.
It's just bad. I wanted more realistic.
I sent you guys the the 1984 Dallas Grand Prix

on YouTube in its entirety. And it is really crazy to go back and watch how bad the TV coverage of that was because there's so much time.
We're like, oh, there's a crash.

You guys can't see it because we only have two camera running yet.

That's just like some dude hobbling out of his car. And he's like, oh, that was, that was terrible.
But I don't think we caught that. But if you did, right? Like

poker game should have been way better.

Here's a really good nitpick.

So, Sonny gets out of the hospital in Las Vegas, and the investor comes to see him. He's like, I thought I'd catch you.
And Sonny's van is in Las Vegas.

Why is Sonny's van in Las Vegas? Is he just driving around in a van to all these tournaments? How did it get there?

Well, no, I mean, he's been in Europe. Yeah, he's flying around with the crew.
How does his van get into Las Vegas? Well, the funny thing is, how does his trailer get around all these places?

That's a great nitpick.

Bardem picks him up in Florida and is like, here's a first-class ticket. Theoretically, Sonny drove his car to Nevada and put it in a parking lot.
And then

fucking that with no other cars. It's just bizarre.
Yeah. You should just be getting in like an Uber.
Right.

Because at some point, he's globetrotting so much that the van has to be like an afterthought.

And then the.

I just don't think you can hop in an F1 car after a 30-hour flight from Abu Dhabi when you have a metal rod in your back. No, I just.
There's just no way.

I would also say one of my picking nits is: I think F1 cars,

to me, drive way too fast. So that if you're having like double vision or any kind of cognitive problem while you're driving them, you're just dead.

Yeah. Like you can't be like, oh man,

I kind of can't see Max.

Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all blackcasts are untouchable. Too soon to say.
I would go

probably sequel. Sequel for sure.
90s prequel of Ruben and Sonny in the earlier days of F1. One prequel.
Yeah, Austin Butler as Sonny. F minus one.

F minus one. Yes.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trail, Mad Dog, Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo, Bill, Sam Jackson, no, or the rest of the crew or Wolfer Brimley and the firm? What do you have to say?

Will you do a little bit of Mad Dog for us? You want me to say Mad Dog? Mad Dog

talking to Cavendish.

I was going to do a little Herb Street. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Herb Street, NFL, Herb Street.
NFL doing the game. Let's hear it.

After the crash,

in the final scene, when JP crashes with, I think, Lewis Hamilton,

and then Sonny's gone for that last lap, and Herb Street, halfway through the lap, goes, Al, I think he can win this.

He might take home the checkered flag, Al. Do you think Herb Street and Michaels last day with the Seahawks Rams game were like, what the fuck? We actually have a game on our hand.

Herb Street Street didn't realize they were going for the two-point conversion until they're on the 10-yard line. Mike Al is.
It was just brutal. No, Al is out of it.
Al missed that.

Oh, that was a long game for Al. I love Al.
I know, Al. Four hours is a lot.
Al, Al is fucked. Al was like, oh, a touchdown.
Okay. Puka Nakua, he's got it.

I mean, that was the most exciting NFL game we're probably ever going to have on the third setup. Campbell, he scored.
Okay. Let's see.
If we had had Kevin Harlan on that game, he'd be dead.

They'd be like scraping him out of the seat. Did you have a, you have some Mad Dog or no? No, I was just, I wanted to, you're the better Mad Dog.
Yeah.

What would Mad Dog be mad at in this movie? Just cue me up.

They can't race in Monza when it's raining.

They would change the tires, Mike. You can't go hard, soft, hot.
It's like, here's Apex going through seven drivers. Instead of a 51-year-old Sonny Bunch.

Just want to ask her who gets it. Probably the editing.
I had the cinematography. I had the guy.
I printed the cameras. Yeah.

Yeah. So what does the camera thing go under? Editing or cinematography.

Probably unanswerable question. I brought this up earlier, but is this movie better if Javier Bardem is dressed like Anton Sugur the entire time? That's true.

Just every scene, he's just dressed like that guy in all black with the bull haircut.

Is Sonny anti. Is Sonny a little bit racist in this movie?

I didn't get it, but he's a whiff of racist.

There is like a line when he's just like, like, we just call that a participation trophy. I don't think so.
I don't think that he is. I think he's probably,

he clearly was a fuck-up that had like some skeletons in his closet, but I never got that from him. This is Van's 2026 podcast we're launching, where we go through

famous movie characters. Are they racist? Van tries to decide if there is a whiff of racism.
Who do we start with? Start with Superman? Oh, Jack Nicholson, Colonel Jessup. Oh, well, shit.

Kiefer is super racist. Just all the characters and a few good men.
You just go through the whole thing. They're also all anti-Semitic.
They're all like Mr. Weinberg.

He's got you, Lieutenant Weinberg. You, Lieutenant Weinberg.
He hates them. Yeah.
She really can't stand him.

What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie? What do you got? I got the helmet. And a part of...
So the helmet is something good. The helmet's good.

Maybe the wreckage from one of the cards. Oh, yeah.

But I will want what I wouldn't want is the fucking card. I don't like people who throw a card.
A deck of cards. That's what I'm just going to get you.
No. Sonny's watch.
It's a good one.

Watch is a good one. Trailer would be good, too.
Yeah.

The only other thing was that racing magazine that they docked. Oh, yeah.
I thought that would be a good one.

I could look right behind Van. Coach Finstock award: best life lesson.
It's never too late to not be the best that never was anymore. That's very wise.
Yeah. I have create your own breaks.

Best double feature choice. I have

dip your pin in the company ink. It might work out.

What? It worked out. We've seen it.
It's working out. You know what? That is an office romance that

office romances should come back.

It was our best lesson. Okay.
Double feature? I'm going Kurt Mpree, the John Frankenheimer movie from 66. I got to go Days of Thunder.
Days of Thunder was my favorite racing movie before this.

I think this is not my favorite movie. Days of Thunder because of Bruckheimer.
There you go.

And then who won the movie? Brad Pitt or F1? I'm going to go to Joe Kaczynski.

I I was going Brad, but that's probably the answer. Brad is the easy answer.
I think that's probably the answer because this means more for Kaczynski than it does for Brad.

Like, I don't think the Russo brothers could have, like, they think there's you could fuck this movie up.

He's he's the best.

I think the answer is Brad Pitt because

a little bit of a rocky last 10 years for Brad, to say the least. And then once upon a time, pulled him out of it a little bit, but I think he needed one more.
Yep. And now I feel like he's bad.

He's back and nobody talks about

the field stuff with Brad. jesus yeah we didn't give into that now does brad

do because kaczynski's going on to do i get miami vice does brad like hitch his wagon to kaczynski now and like try to get more films with him he's doing an edward burger movie and something else but i think they'll make f2 before it's too late yeah before brad gets too late he's going to be like he's 62.

right

there is a world for him to be like off out of the car i mean he could be in the movie and sell it and it could be damson versus he could be the guy who runs the team yeah he could be the guy who runs the team or

if

they want to make Damson because Damson to me has a trajectory that's out of this world, like a trajectory. A creed franchise for Damson.
Something like that for Damson.

And it's perfect for him because he's, you know, English and it's a cosmopolitan worldwide. God forbid he was not English.
Who Damson? Yeah. God forbid we got a win.
The Americans? Yeah.

It's just a bigger thing for them, but like for British people. Can we get some more wins than America here?

Sonny won.

He won the race.

UK people taking our parts. Okay.
Oh, that part I have.

That's what I mean. When I saw that Spielberg trailer and it was like Blunt and Josh O'Connor pretending to be American, I was like, fucking had it.
We have 50 states.

2 million people here. It only bothers me, and we've had this conversation.
It only bothers me when it's like,

I don't know, fucking

David David Yellow will play Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah, and then

Daniel Kaluja played Fred Hampton. All of these guys are fantastic brothers, great actors.
But we do need at some point coming up now, like Leroy Jenkins Jr. is Jesse Jackson.

We do need at least one. Like Cynthia Riro, Harriet Tubman.

Everybody is the same. No separation.
We all cool. We're together.
But just give me like Darius Washington is Mega Everest. Just give me one.
All right. Like, I need one.

Jalen Thomas,

just one of them. You know, Comen Domingo did Bannon Russian, all of that.
So that's the only thing for a while was getting a little spooky. Okay.

Let's take our corners back. Yeah.

Come on, guys.

Thanks to Gahal.

Thanks to Craig, who's not here today. Thanks to Eduardo.
Thanks to Eduardo. Yeah.
That was our last one of 2025. Do you want to tease what the next thing is?

No, well, we have a special episode next week. I don't want to tease it, though.

What do you think? What was the best movie we did in 2025? The best movie or whatever? What was the one you're the happiest we did?

Well, I'd have to think about it.

I mean, honestly, it's like recency bias, but high fidelity.

I was going to say. Interesting.
Yeah. That was.
Because of Mahoney?

Oh, I forgot to give him the hottest take, Kevin. Rob Mahoney, yeah.
Yeah.

He turned the whole grunge universe against him. That take pissed a lot of people I know off.
I Jaws 2.

For me, my favorite one, just because the movie is just crazy, is Halloween 2.

Halloween 2 is nuts.

The guy getting hit by the car. That's so fucking hysterical.
That was really fun. Halloween 2 is nuts.
Diehard 3 was fun. We did a lot of good ones this year.

All right. Thanks, man.
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