‘Weird Science’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

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Speaker 1 The Rewatchables brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network. Kyle Brandt, you can find him on Good Morning Football.
You can find him on ESPN platforms popping up from time to time.

Speaker 1 I saw him on Sports Center a few weeks ago doing his,

Speaker 1 it's like you're doing bits. You did this for Van Pelt.
You did this, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 as a mid-40s guy, how you kind of appreciate as a fellow mid-40s guy, like to watch him just get exasperated by people. I really enjoyed that.
Dude, Rogers has completely stopped caring.

Speaker 1 He's always been mad at his teammates. Now he just screams at him on the field.
It doesn't even matter. He's like, what the hell? I've always been this way.
Now I'm just going to be me, buddy.

Speaker 1 So you just see him walking down the driveway, getting his mail in the Tony Soprano bathrobe, just

Speaker 1 yelling at the leafblower guy next door. Anyway,

Speaker 1 we are going to do a movie that Kyle Brandt has been suggesting ever since he started popping on the rewatchables, which I think was about five years ago. It's weird science.

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Speaker 1 All right, Kyle Brandt.

Speaker 1 Sheila Benson, reviewing this for the Los Angeles Times, who in the same review described Kelly LeBrock as triumphant, which I'd like to agree with, and the film's greatest asset.

Speaker 1 I would also agree with that. She thought the film's appeal was limited to audiences of 15-year-old boys and, quote, maybe the 16-year-olds, if they aren't yet too fussy.

Speaker 1 And I mentioned this because I was 15 years old when I saw this movie in the theater.

Speaker 1 I was the target audience and I loved it. And I've seen it many times since.
And I appreciate that they made it. It's also insane in 2025 to watch this.

Speaker 1 And yet, is this a movie that makes more sense in 1985 or 2025, too?

Speaker 1 You're stewed, butt one.

Speaker 1 I think it made perfect sense for me in 85. Bill, I think I saw it when I was maybe eight and I was like, holy shit, this is awesome.
The computers and the girl and the cars and high school.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to get to high school. I think in 85, it was like, okay, this is probably John Hughes' least serious movie, probably his least respected 80s movie.

Speaker 1 But in 85, it fit right in because the stuff I already said, beautiful woman, horny dudes, cool, fast cars, so many bullies, just bullies on bullies.

Speaker 1 And now as we watch it, it's like, I know we're going to get to all this. All time, all-time Bill Paxton.
Really fun young downie to look back at and showing up like in weird places.

Speaker 1 And I still think it's a fun watch, but it's a really weird one now.

Speaker 1 I would go more toward super fun watch with some weird elements that I just think you have to factor in with the 80s.

Speaker 1 But I had this list of semi-deranged 1985 teen movies. Oh, come on.
For some reason, it's specific for 1985. Because I think we'd had some teen movies for a couple of years and then people were like.

Speaker 1 What if we just start getting a little weird? Let's push it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So weird science made by John Hughes, who we're going to talk about who had made 16 candles he made breakfast club he's made a million things but this is probably the weirdest of all the 80s movies he's made so there's that one there's better off dead made by savage steve holland

Speaker 1 um which is almost like parodying the teen movie as they're making a teen movie there's teen wolf which we've already done in the movie first re-watchable love there's just one of the guys which we haven't done yet but it's on the list there's legend of billie jean which we just did there's secret admirer which is a combination teen movie, but it's also like the ice storm.

Speaker 1 It's like multiple couples having like marital issues and it just doesn't know what's happening.

Speaker 1 Vision Quest about the horny wrestler who has the hot 22-year-old move in. And then Mischief, which goes back to the 50s, but is basically the same premise of kid trying to get laid.

Speaker 1 Kelly Preston's there.

Speaker 1 There's some James Dean type guy. So I just listed eight movies where they were like, let's get weird.
And there are probably more than that.

Speaker 1 And then after that, we start moving into

Speaker 1 some different era. We start getting into like Lucas

Speaker 1 and,

Speaker 1 you know, I don't know. It just shifts after this year.
Does that make sense? It does make sense. And I think there's a cross section that I have.

Speaker 1 I have my own list that really in the diagram with yours is perfect for weird science. Like you mentioned the Linda Fiorentino character, I had Vision Quest, right?

Speaker 1 So in the 80s, right now at this point, there is a run on mystical, almost magical, beautiful women showing up in movies.

Speaker 1 And women were getting glamorized so differently then because of MTV and all of the media right now. But just think about this.

Speaker 1 So before Weird Science, we have Splash, where there's this beautiful mermaid that comes out of the water and loves Tom Hanks. All right.

Speaker 1 You have Vacation, where like the dorky dads driving cross country and, oh my God, in a red Ferrari, there's the hottest woman of all time, just keeps appearing magically next to me.

Speaker 1 A couple of years after this, Bill, if you want to talk about how weird it gets, then we're going to mannequin, where now we're like, Andrew McCarthy's fall in love with a mannequin in a department store.

Speaker 1 Like these magical women who are almost science fiction, but are so beautiful come and find the dorky guy. And Weird Science was right in the middle of that.

Speaker 1 It's probably the most well-known one in that regard.

Speaker 1 And you left out Can't Buy Me Love, which is another version of this where the guy's like, what if I used all my lawnmower money for a couple of years and bought a fake girlfriend for a couple months?

Speaker 1 But the premise over and over again in the 80s was just guys trying to get laid. And there's all these different eras for it that are trapped from like 80 to 83, 82 to 85.

Speaker 1 A big part of this was the high school kids trying to get laid. And it's interesting watching this movie now and seeing all the stuff.
that spilled into movies from the 2000s.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like, I don't know which was the biggest influence on Bad,

Speaker 1 but I think you could make a case. It's weird science.
Agreed. Yeah.
And it's the big

Speaker 1 party scene. Yep.
Jonah Hill's character is very similar to the Anthony Michael Hall character. I actually feel like

Speaker 1 it's almost like it's his son.

Speaker 2 You're 100% spot on. And I also thought the same thing.

Speaker 2 This movie ends almost the same way Superbad ends with the two guys separately going with these girls that they like and then reconvening at the end and it being more about their relationship as much as it is their relationship with the girls.

Speaker 1 You have a crazy party in Super Bad. You have an important mall scene in Super Bad.

Speaker 1 You have these guys just completely fucking it up with girls they like. It's like the two and two, like there's an immediate match.
You know what the match is. And so

Speaker 1 I never really, and I've seen this weird sign so many times, but I hadn't seen it probably in like five, six years. And that super bad thing jumped out to me.
And you think about it.

Speaker 1 You have in super bad, like really funny side characters like Rogan and Hater who are showing up and just like killing scenes. And that's Paxton here.
That's that's Downey. That's everybody.

Speaker 1 That's John Capalos in one scene, like just people showing up. It's also, dude, like also a Super Bad.
I haven't watched this in a while, but I've watched it a hundred times.

Speaker 1 This movie is super quotable. It was one of those things that I say so many of these things that these characters say.
Like to this day, if my friend hands me a beer, I'll be like, you spit in this?

Speaker 1 You know, like just all the dumb chat lines. I say all that shit, just like in Superbad.
Yeah, we had, this was a big quote movie for me and my high school friends. Definitely.

Speaker 1 And then two of them went on to go to Colgate. So I'm in, I've been in the fantasy football league with all these guys since 1990.
And I told them we were doing this.

Speaker 1 And it just immediately, like, quotes started flying around. The one that for some reason we did the most, my buddy Jim Grady.
What is it? It's Gary's dad. When it was the

Speaker 1 who. Who's Gary? Who's this Gary character you keep talking? We, we did that for 12 years.

Speaker 1 Anytime one of our friends started dating a girl and like kind of disappeared for a couple weeks we'd be like who's who's camp who's this camp character you keep talking about i i don't know why but gary's dad was like the legacy of this movie for us we loved him my friends and i quote gary's dad too but we quote whenever we're going to a party we call it a soiree and we go soir what

Speaker 1 we i constantly to this day i'll say soir what the guy was amazing uh all right i have some questions before we get to john hughes Sure.

Speaker 1 Normally, I put these in probably unanswerable questions, but I think we have to get into this now because the premise of this movie is these guys create their dream girl from a computer,

Speaker 1 feeding magazine pictures into it. And there's some Frankenstein elements.

Speaker 1 There's some lightning and some things that just made more sense in the 80s than they do now. Were these the first two hackers? Or would you say in a movie, or would you go back to War Games?

Speaker 1 Do you count Matthew Broderick's character in War Games as a hacker? Or would you say these two are the real hackers? And did we have a hacker before this?

Speaker 1 I was thinking about this and I couldn't really come up with one.

Speaker 1 It's in the details. Like Wyatt and Gary Fullup set out to hack.
Like they're going on the computer to hack and they're trying to hack into some sort of military thing that I don't understand.

Speaker 1 I think they're a little bit more premeditated than in War Games. But they, ironically, they both end up with a nuclear missile.

Speaker 1 Like that's just how that's how it is because everything came up nukes in the 80s. It just did.

Speaker 1 All Rhodes led to nukes in 80s movies you had to there was this stretch in in uh from i would say 80 to 87 in in movies where i would have believed that anything with that involved the computer because they didn't understand it right so it's like could could matthew browder play chess with a computer sure i don't i mean we had uh i had like one of the earliest apples that I really only used to play for video games.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like we had it as somebody got it for, I don't even think it was for me.
I think my stepdad just got one. We had it.
And I would just go and play like four or five different games, including Dr.

Speaker 1 J versus Larry Bird.

Speaker 1 So when I would see a movie like this, I was like, could I do stuff like this on my computer?

Speaker 1 But I don't even, we didn't even have like an internet. Like I don't even know how they were able to go from that computer into anything.
I don't either. And we, this, isn't it interesting?

Speaker 1 Cause the last pod you and I did, we did sneakers, which is in the 90s. And we still didn't know what computers could do.

Speaker 1 With this, that was years later, and we still didn't know what they were capable of.

Speaker 1 But I think, like, I think when Wyatt and Gary start hacking in the computer and it gets super cheesy and everything, I bet in the theater in 1985, people were fucking screaming, like, oh my God, yeah, they're in a tunnel, and it says access denied, and then Wyatt makes it go away, and it makes a bowling ball sound.

Speaker 1 Holy shit, that was like the beach scene in Private Ryan. They could not fucking believe what they were watching.
I think it was crazy. Well, that's why I asked you before about 85 versus 25.
85.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 now you could make a version of weird science about AI, which none of us understand either. And I feel like I would believe that too.
It's like these guys created a girlfriend out of AI.

Speaker 1 It's like, sure, it sounds, sounds like something

Speaker 1 AI family. Yeah, it's going to be weird intelligence and Gary and Wyatt make a hot woman out of AI.
That's coming. It's here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So that was my first question.
The next one is,

Speaker 1 and we've talked about this in the past, like pump up the volume, clearly created podcasts.

Speaker 1 There's been a few of these. Did this movie create Alexa AI and Chat GBT?

Speaker 1 Because initially they wanted, they're feeding computer. They're trying to just get answers, which I'd never really seen a computer do before.
But when you think about it, they're basically creating.

Speaker 1 Amazon Alexa coming to life that could also have sex with them was the goal. But that's Amazon Alexa.

Speaker 1 No, I think that Wyatt and Gary are trying to give Siri huge cans. That's Siri Gary, right? They're just

Speaker 1 basically just cans. Yes.
I think they're ahead of it. I think they're way ahead of it.
And also, by the way, listen, they make her unbelievably intelligent, all-knowing.

Speaker 1 Albert Einstein's brains, David Lee Roth's flamboyance, all of that stuff. So I do think that like Amazon and Alexa and Siri stand on the shoulders of Lisa.
I do.

Speaker 1 Well, I wonder whoever created Siri was if they were inspired by weird science. Like Wyatt Wyatt and Gary were on something.
People just want answers. It's that.

Speaker 1 And then it's also like, I think we've talked about like the movie Her with Walking Phoenix is an all-time all-fucking timer. He has sex with the beach because he thinks it's Scarlett Johansson.

Speaker 1 Like that was the movie 15 years or so later, whatever that was that Weird Science was doing. There's always been like, I want to make a fake hot woman because I can't meet a real one.

Speaker 1 And they don't want to talk to me. And it's like, that was even in the 90s.

Speaker 1 That, that's, you know, that song Creep by Radiohead, that's just about like a guy who like the hot girls won't talk to him and he's miserable. That's really, it was in the 80s.
It's timeless.

Speaker 1 No one will talk to me. So I should make someone and then they'll talk to me.
Yeah, but this makes more sense.

Speaker 1 I mean, Derek Thompson just did a podcast for us about male loneliness and, you know, people who just, it's just easier not to even have relationships with anybody and just do everything through the computer, basically.

Speaker 1 And that's. That's kind of how you interact, which is what made it, that's why I asked before about 85 versus 20, 25.

Speaker 1 Like these kids ultimately they're doing this because they can't meet anybody and when we made these movies in the 80s it was like oh but they will because

Speaker 1 you know this is this is it'll all work out for them i know but now these kids probably don't leave the house no they don't and i think when when gary's like wyatt let's make a woman on your computer wyatt would be like let's just go to porn hub it'll take two seconds we can see anything we want and they just click on that and it's done they would just watch porn now see john hughes saw it all coming damn right john hughes we always do this.

Speaker 1 I have to just give his 83 to 90 run really quickly. Mr.
Mom wrote it. Vacation wrote it.
16 Candles, Breakfast Club. European Vacation wrote that.

Speaker 1 Weird Science, Pretty and Pink, Ferris Bueller, some kind of wonderful. Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.
She's Having a Baby. The Great Outdoors.
Uncle Buck.

Speaker 1 And then wrote Christmas Vacation and wrote Home Alone. And it was in eight years.
And it's,

Speaker 1 I wrote that in my notes here.

Speaker 1 Hughes and Taylor Sheridan are the two greatest creative forces we've ever had. They're the two people that you could be like, is the limitless drug real? Yes.
Did these guys take the limitless drug?

Speaker 1 Did they find it? Did somebody give it to them? Cause there's no other explanation. Also, the weird science to me feels heat checky for Hughes too.
Like he has already done Pretty in Pink.

Speaker 1 He has already done Breakfast Club. He does this movie right after Breakfast Club.
They came out the same year, about eight months apart.

Speaker 1 And the story goes that he's like on set with in the breakfast club and he loves Anthony Michael Hall. He wants to make every movie with him.

Speaker 1 And he's like, I got our next movie we're going to make a woman and you're going to be in it and anthony michael hall's like sure let's go for it and he i he makes the heat check that's the thing like this movie is still being talked about 40 years later and it's all so cool because you would get this especially if you were in high school like it's the hughes verse it's all in the same town and this people seem kind of related and if you're a huge hughes head like me when you watch weird science There's even parts of dialogue like Wyatt or Gary talks about his girlfriend in Canada.

Speaker 1 Like that's a thing directly from Breakfast Club. Right.
He makes the joke about Lisa could have fun in an insurance seminar.

Speaker 1 Neil Page talks about insurance seminars and planes, trains, and automobiles. Like, there's a lot of crossover.
And if you're a nerd for it, you just immediately perk up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's in the Niagara Falls area. You wouldn't know her.
You wouldn't know her. I met her in Canada.
Same thing in this movie. Same joke.

Speaker 1 Another joke that's gone on for 40 years. I didn't always forget that Hughes really saw Anthony Michael Hall as his proxy.
He's always playing Hughes in in every film.

Speaker 1 And Hughes obviously, you know, had a lot of

Speaker 1 pent-up stuff from when he was in high school, which Roger Ebert in his review, which I'll give you the stars later, but he wrote that Hall was the geek in 16 Candles in the intellectual and breakfast club.

Speaker 1 And I like John Hughes's definition of a geek. So he quotes John Hughes.
I couldn't find this. Ebert was the only one that said John Hughes said this.

Speaker 1 A geek is the guy, a geek is a guy who has everything going for him, but he's just too young. By contrast, a nerd will be a nerd all of his life.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I thought that was such a great way to put it. That's poetic.
Geeks, geeks can break out of it. Nerds can't.
Yeah. But I don't feel like we use the word geek as much anymore.

Speaker 1 We just use nerds and dorks. So maybe is dork now geek? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I remember it was very in vogue when it was the geek squad would like come to your house and set up your wi-fi from best buy or whatever. They branded that a little bit.

Speaker 1 But I always feel like it's at least now, like nerds are really proud of being a nerds like i've called myself a nerd twice in this podcast like you're a nerd for lord of the rings you're a nerd for star wars it's actually really cool but in the 80s i i'm not sure that it was yeah we call it nerd culture at the ringer so nerd became and geeks kind of bounced out but

Speaker 1 you know i in the anthony michael hall character in this movie is a good example right he's He clearly doesn't

Speaker 1 know how to make the meal yet.

Speaker 1 But he has the tools and you know it's going to happen. You know, he's going to go to college and he's going to blossom and it's all sitting there inside him.
I'm not sure about

Speaker 1 Wyatt. Yeah.
That's tough. Yeah.
I'm not sure what happens with Wyatt down the road. Well, one of my problems with the movie as an adult now, just watching it, I'm like, Gary's really cool.

Speaker 1 What's going on here? Gary is charismatic, funny, confident. He's got the cool 80s haircut.

Speaker 1 I know that he's the nerd in Breakfast Club and stuff and Pretty and Pink, but like, you tell me Gary Gary feels more like Ferris Bueller to me.

Speaker 1 Like, he's just like the guy that everyone would want to be around, and he's kind of playing the nerd. It's a little bit of a tough sell because he's just so charismatic.

Speaker 1 Well, it's funny because so he does Anthony McCall does vacation, 16 candles, weird science, and breakfast club all in a row.

Speaker 1 Um, and basically in that order, except that they filmed weird science and breakfast club next to each other, but he comes out of those four, and then

Speaker 1 they want him to be in Pretty and Pink, and they want him to be in Ferris Bueller. Because Hughes was just like, like, you're my guy.
This is like, I'm Scorsese and you're De Niro, basically.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he turned down both roles. Now, I understand why he turned down Pretty and Pink because that was basically Hughes karaoke in a lot of ways.
And this is Ducky. This is the John Cryer role.
Right.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 Ferris, I think, would have been a really good Anthony Michael Hall kind of move for him to kind of move away from the dork side, tap into the weird science, like, oh, you're secretly cool, but then actually really be the the cool guy.

Speaker 1 And I think he should have done it. I think it's a big miss for him.

Speaker 1 He ended up going on SNL. And he, or does he play Cameron? No, he would have been Ferris.
Well, Ferris killed then. Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's an all-time role. But you know what?

Speaker 1 He's like, he, he, he does that thing you're saying where he's like, I've played the nerd so many times. I got to start being cool.
I got to do this. I got to be the jock.

Speaker 1 And then, as you know, where this leads is, he becomes the jock in Johnny Be Good, backs up Downey. And like, dude, I don't like that movie at all.

Speaker 1 I think it's boring, it's bad, and I'm just not into it.

Speaker 1 Even though

Speaker 1 it's young Uma Thurman

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 1 coming out of nowhere, and everybody's like, all right, at least young Uma Thurman's in this, and then everything that happened with her.

Speaker 1 There's another Anthony Michael Hall thing, too. And I'm just going to give him an award early here: the Sasha Jenkins award for actor.
I can't believe didn't become a bigger star.

Speaker 1 So, Stanley Kubrick, for some reason, loved John Hughes' movies and loved Hall and Hughes in that connection and decided he wanted Anthony Michael Hall in full metal jacket and wanted him to be Joker.

Speaker 1 And they negotiated. I'm not kidding because I checked this out multiple different ways.
They negotiated for over half a year. And then he ended up not doing it.
And he went to Modine.

Speaker 1 Now, on top of this, Anthony Michael Hall joined the cast of SNL for season 11 with Downey. He had a drinking problem.
Like, I think he basically became sober by the time he was 18.

Speaker 1 So he probably had some issues. But man, even if he just comes out of these four movies and does Ferris and then Full Metal Jacket, is this like one of the biggest stars of the 80s? Yes.

Speaker 1 I think with his talent and that role and that director, I think he gets an Academy Award nomination for full metal jacket, as especially as Joker. I mean, that's a heavy, heavy part.

Speaker 1 And then, dude, like his SNL thing is so strange and so intense. Like, first first of all, youngest cast member ever, 17 years old to get cast in NSNL.
85 is known as like the weird season where

Speaker 1 he wrote a documentary about it, about how weird it was. Yeah, he went away, came back, and then he's like, I'm going to hire Randy Quaid, Anthony Michael Hall, Downey Jr., Damon Wayans is showing up.

Speaker 1 And then a year later, it's like they were all just gone. It's really, really the strangest season in this history.
Craig, will you come into the Zoom for a second?

Speaker 1 Yo,

Speaker 1 as somebody who really grew up in the super bad Jonah Hill, that whole universe, what was the difference between Anthony Michael Hall in the mid-80s and Jonah Hill in the late 2000s that you could see?

Speaker 2 Um, I think Jonah Hill had an anger to him. Anthony Michael Hall was sweet, and I think a lot of the guys who wanted to get laid in the later movies are angry.

Speaker 2 Jonah Hill was a yeller, you know, like that was what he was best at is just cussing people out. Anthony Michael Hall, I think, had a sweetness to him that Jonah Hill didn't need.

Speaker 1 So, who was his 2000s 2000s doppelganger? Is it more like in the Jason Siegel realm? Or it's Michael Sarah.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 2 He probably plays Michael Sarah in Super Bad.

Speaker 1 So he shows up in Running Man and

Speaker 1 Johnny Be Good.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have that edge to him. I think that the Jason Siegel is interesting, too.
Like that's, it's maybe more like Siegel's a good one, too. Siegel's very nice.
Like he's like.

Speaker 1 One of the things about the 80s is because we had less stuff going on. You really could get typecast in like a crazy way, right?

Speaker 1 So he's in these four hughes movies and at some point you're just like oh you're the dork and that's what leads to the johnny be good

Speaker 1 move where he's like no not only am i not a dork i was on snl and now i'm playing a quarterback in a high school recruiting movie which is terrible well and you see it a lot i mean a lot of these guys try to bust out of that typecast jonah hill tried to do it himself where he was like i'm going drama i'm i'm gonna change the way i look like he completely pivoted so it happens yeah he didn't want any part of that and ironically he did a couple really good things like but one of my son's favorite movies is mid-90s.

Speaker 1 He loves that movie. And I think that's a really beloved movie that Jonah directed and wrote.
Yeah. Moneyball, Wolf of Wall Street.
Yeah. Yeah.
It worked out for him.

Speaker 1 But my point is, I think it should have worked out for Anthony Michael Hall. Yeah.
I think you got to get in that Kubrick movie, dude. You got to get in it.

Speaker 1 At that point, like you can't be money, anything. Get in the movie.
Take up any part in that movie and you're set. Well, it seems like he had some hand-on, hands-on child actor parents

Speaker 1 that were like, he can't do Ferris. He can't do another Hughes movie.
It's like, no, he should do Ferris. That movie's going to be a monster.

Speaker 2 I think it's an interesting choice for him after 16 Candles and Weird Science and Breakfast Club. All of those came out before he was on SNL, I believe, which started in the fall of 85.

Speaker 2 Don't you think that's kind of an odd move for somebody who's essentially like the rising movie star in Hollywood and he decides to go on Saturday Night Live?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, I think, I think he was having issues was part of the problem.

Speaker 1 So, and you take a job where you have to work on Saturday nights?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 And I don't think it worked out great for him or Downey.

Speaker 2 It's an interesting career choice.

Speaker 1 Honestly, if you, like, you know the strangest thing?

Speaker 1 85 the season, the opening sketch of the entire season is Lauren Michaels giving the cast a drug test, like a wink, wink, wink, like we've had some problems. And it was really frowned upon.

Speaker 1 And it's like erased from the internet now. You can't find it anymore.
Oh, really? Yes. Wow.
Yeah, it's a tough sketch.

Speaker 1 That whole season, dude, they had Simple Minds play the first episode. They didn't play,

Speaker 1 don't forget about me. What are we doing here? That's the reason you're here.
That's the hit song. Everything was kind of off.
It's awful.

Speaker 1 It seemed like the show was going to get canceled after that season. All right, thanks, Craig.
We're bringing you back for a flex. Kelly LeBrock.

Speaker 1 Her first three movies ever.

Speaker 1 This is her IMDb: Woman in Red with Gene Wilder, Weird Science, and Hard to Kill, which we've already done in the rewatchables.

Speaker 1 Married to our beloved Steven Seagal, who's kind of our spirit animal, Kyle and I.

Speaker 2 She was married to Steven Seagal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Kelly, come law, Craig.
I don't think I knew that. Buckle up, come on.
This changes everything. Buckle up, Craig.

Speaker 1 All right, so, Bill, should we talk about it? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, so she does this movie.
Takes a long break, Kelly LeBrock.

Speaker 1 Like, she doesn't do another movie for five years, and it's hard to kill. She meets Steven Seagal around 87 when he's going from like stunt trainer right above.
Really? 86. 86.
All right.

Speaker 1 So he's going to do above the law. He's not a movie star yet.
She meets him. They fall in love.
Craig, they got kids together. They were married for over a decade.

Speaker 1 This was a bona fide, like Hollywood power couple for over a decade. And she's like, I don't know.
He was mystical and all-knowing and kind. And I was just in a vulnerable place.
And that's love.

Speaker 1 She's like, I saw him run and I knew once I saw him jogging.

Speaker 2 I heard he shit his pants on set.

Speaker 1 I have a theory, actually, that I'm trying to think about how did this movie, Doing Weird Science, lead to her marrying Steven Seagal? And my theory is that she has to play like a perfect person.

Speaker 1 And like, that's, that's tough to get over. So she's like, I think in my dating life, I'm going to meet someone who actually thinks they are a perfect person and maybe they can identify with me.

Speaker 1 And then she met Steven. She's like, you're the guy I'm looking for.
And that's how it worked. It's a great theory.
I think there's a counter theory that she might have just had terrible taste in men.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 that's strong. That's strong.
Clearly. She's like, she's talking to her friends.
They're like, so who, who have you been hanging out with the last couple of weeks?

Speaker 1 And she goes, well, there's this guy who teaches martial arts for a couple CA agents that they're trying to turn into a movie star. He's got a ponytail.
He's mystical.

Speaker 1 And he's just an enormous asshole. And I can't get enough of him.

Speaker 1 Well, don't go on a date with him to Runyon Canyon because he'll probably jog and then you'll throw up and leave. Don't do that.
Don't watch him run.

Speaker 1 If you listen to this guy talk for 15 minutes, you'll hit your head against the wall. I can't get get enough.
So

Speaker 1 the two lost actresses of the 80s for falling in love were her and Phoebe Cates. Oh, yeah.
Because Phoebe Cates was on a run, met Kevin Klein, and was just like, hey, cool, I love Kevin Klein.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do a family. That's the happy version of this.
This is the more depressing version where she ends up.

Speaker 1 trying to raise a family with Seagal, only makes the one movie come back for Heart to Kill, which we've already done, which is one of the funniest action movies ever. And I don't know.

Speaker 1 And there's a John Hughes documentary where she said in Weird Science, she plays Mary Poppins with breasts, which I thought was a good way to describe the character.

Speaker 1 It's, she's the best part of the movie. It's actually a really cool character, and it's not what you think the character is going to be.

Speaker 1 She's her, her, she's created not to have sex with these dudes, but to actually make them better people.

Speaker 1 And they kind of are better people by the end of this movie. Like mission accomplished, I guess.

Speaker 1 I got some thoughts on that later. But she Kelly LeBrock is good in this movie, up to and including the final scene where she's full-on tearing up and crying as she says goodbye to the boys.

Speaker 1 It's her second movie ever. She's very, very talented.
And I have to say, any interview I've ever seen with her, she seems like a really cool lady, charismatic, witty. She busts balls.
I like her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like 10 years later, 11 years later, she's probably the Elizabeth Hurley part in Austin Powers

Speaker 1 and probably has this whole

Speaker 1 late 90s run. But anyway,

Speaker 1 this was based on the 1951 pre-comics code comic made of the future by al feldstein you probably don't have that one i do not 7.5 million dollar budget it made 38.9 million dollars let's go

Speaker 1 partly because everybody who's in high school went to it including me roger rebert three stars

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 coming off a really tough raj last week Oh, for snake eyes? Yeah, they gave it the one star for snake eyes.

Speaker 1 It was tough.

Speaker 1 We worked it out with Raj.

Speaker 1 He said, Weird Science combines two great traditions in popular entertainment, inflamed male teenage fantasies and Frankenstein's monster.

Speaker 1 Then it crosses them with a new myth, that of the teenage computer geniuses who lock themselves in their bedrooms, hunch over their computer keyboards, and write programs that can change the universe.

Speaker 1 Raj. Yeah.
See no future coming. I met Roger Ebert, but I venture to guess that there's a point in his life he wished he could have made a woman, and I get it.

Speaker 1 You know, I think he might have wanted the.

Speaker 1 no question and he said carried kelly labarque is wonderful as the fantasy woman the film was funnier a little deeper than the predictable story it might have been

Speaker 1 so there you go um

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Speaker 1 i love the opening credits so do i i love being in the gym i love the geekdom you know the pants pull is coming um we get the proper a lot of horniness in gyms in the 80s i don't know if that's carried over now it's like a place you get a staph infection

Speaker 1 yeah also like that gym thing brings back gym uniforms where in the middle of your school day we would just all go and change out of our clothes together and then the girls would do it and then sometimes you'd have to shower together.

Speaker 1 It's a really, really strange thing to look back on that I had not thought about in a long time, just straight up stripping down after fourth period in the middle of school every day.

Speaker 1 Then stripping back up. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, that goes, we get the cheer.
Then we go right into the theme song. I know.
Let's go. I have multiple categories.
Talk about the theme song. I know you do.

Speaker 1 All right. So that's one.
Second one, they create the girl on the computer.

Speaker 1 Anything bigger than a handful. I thought, just great job, guys.
I want it to live. You want it to breathe.
You want it to aerobicize.

Speaker 1 There's a couple of nice touches in here that are very mid-80s. There's a trunk with a lock that has a bunch of Playboys and penthouses in it.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Just, let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 I had a few friends. I was not one of those friends, but I had a few friends with the trunk.

Speaker 1 They weigh

Speaker 1 bras in their heads. And then

Speaker 1 in a really good special effects scene,

Speaker 1 they create Kelly LeBrock, which I'm going to have to give the OK motherfucker award for the exact moment when this movie goes up a notch. It's fucking crazy.
Like really good special effects.

Speaker 1 How are we able to do this in 1985? Fantastic. And so many things.

Speaker 1 This movie moves so fucking fast that they are already creating Lisa at the eight minute mark of the movie.

Speaker 1 And I'll have you know, as I watched it as a lot, I watched this movie in a lot of sleepovers, maybe fifth grade, sixth grade. We would rewind the part on the computer where the boobs get really big.

Speaker 1 Not even a human being, just a computer rendition. And I think it's important that we've revisited this topic a few times over the years.

Speaker 1 I can't explain to young people right now, if you were a young person in the 80s, how difficult it was to get even a basic image of a naked woman. It was so difficult.

Speaker 1 This is the scrambled porn Apex Mountain. You couldn't do it unless your friend's dad had a Playboy.
Like you could not get it no matter what.

Speaker 1 And so it was so crazy that those things were on the computer like that.

Speaker 1 It blew us away.

Speaker 1 You're scouring closets looking for any cassette or anything. Anything in the guest bedroom that maybe your uncle left, but you just didn't know.

Speaker 1 The liner notes of Appetite for Destruction have like an illustration of a kind of naked woman. It's really gross and weird, but I would look at it, be like, that's something.

Speaker 1 I'm the guy who would go to the magazine store and like, be like, can I get a Playboy? It's for my dad. And it's just nuts.
I just wanted to see it and you couldn't.

Speaker 1 The candy bar scene. Yeah.
How about that? Which might pop up in a couple other categories.

Speaker 1 I don't know, man. The 80s were just different.
I like how fucking weird it is. Our guy, Carl the Janitor from Breakfast Club's in it.
Capalos.

Speaker 1 Playing Dino. She likes the malacca, Dino.

Speaker 1 Hall is just going for it.

Speaker 1 He's basically doing a Richard Pryor impersonation, which they said in the research that Hughes and Anthony Michael Hall just both love Richard Pryor and they wanted a scene where it's basically like, let's just do Richard Pryor for four minutes.

Speaker 1 It's bonkers.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I still enjoy watching it.

Speaker 1 They soft-tested the Richard Pryor too, because in the breakfast club, when the kids all get high,

Speaker 1 all of a sudden Brian starts doing like chicks can't hold their smoke. That's what it is.
And like Judd Nelson's laughing at him.

Speaker 1 So someone, probably many people, including like studio execs, were like, yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 Anthony Michael Hall doing that voice and getting high and drunk. Put more of that in the next movie.
It's awesome. Whereas now they'd be be like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
We got to cut that.

Speaker 1 We got to cut that. It's unbelievable.
One of the things I like about the scenes still is how much the actors seem to be enjoying it or sitting around the table.

Speaker 1 Like they're actually getting like a genuine kick out of how fucking crazy he is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's the candy bar with an eye.
Candy with an eye. That's the name of the bar.

Speaker 1 Chet tries to make Gary throw up. Drunk Gary.

Speaker 1 How about

Speaker 1 greasy pork sand, like all the stuff? this is the classic big brother show

Speaker 1 yeah this is this is a unbelievable great bill paxton and i also think that anthony michael hall is hilarious in this scene if you don't like him at the club whatever it's not aged well just playing a drunk guy when he's like new shit new shit is perfect and it's it's arguably my favorite scene in the movie on the top of the stairs Chet,

Speaker 1 maybe five years later, he applies for

Speaker 1 Real World New York, I think, but doesn't make it past maybe the second cut. But they are thinking, like, oh, this could be our instigator, house member.
We get this guy, Chet, from Illinois.

Speaker 1 He sent us this crazy tape. He claims that his little brother created a girl on the internet.

Speaker 1 Should we bring him in for an interview? I think they're thinking about it at least. What an all-time pull.
Chet would be a real world cast member. And I like absolutely

Speaker 1 problematic. He's puck in real world San Francisco.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's like redneck puck with a shotgun he has all he's like sexually charged he's a bully he'd be great in the confessionals he's also like sneaky horny it's believe me i say this as a guy who did it like they that's all the things they're looking for yeah that's perfect uh spill drink at the mall downie and his villain friend spilling the red what was that drink the icy red icy yeah with the polar barrel

Speaker 1 on those guys right into Lisa fucking with uh the villains. I just listen, if we're in an 80s mall,

Speaker 1 I'm there and and i'm ready to for whatever is going to happen like always so clean and the stores just looked those so inviting and there was always just people happily walking around with food it really was great

Speaker 1 it's so great and yet i i'm just gonna be honest with you dude now i'm just thinking of Chet being on the challenge. Like, would he be on Team Real World? Oh, yeah, I ruined you now.

Speaker 1 And would he backpack Johnny Bananas? Would he have fought CT eventually? Like, we are full, he's going to hook up with Anissa and and Tanya in the hot tub on the darkroom cam. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 Chet feuded with Theo Vaughn, but now they've made up and he's on his podcast because he just got out of drug rehab again.

Speaker 1 Him and Mark long now, they kind of just run the industry and they're looked at as the godfathers of the post-real worlders. And you see him around and they're good dudes.

Speaker 1 And Chet has long hair now. Awesome.
Awesome. Awesome.

Speaker 1 You know, I guess we've never talked about this, the fork of the road of your career where you decided to go into sports media, but you really could have done the challenge for like 20 years.

Speaker 1 I got asked many, many, many times. You played football in college.
Like you would have been one of the guys. There would have been specific things that would have been amazing for you.

Speaker 1 I always said no. And then every once in a while, when I would get a little itch, like, you know, I'm maybe like I'm 28 now.
I'm like, what the hell am I doing?

Speaker 1 I'll go on down to Mexico and try to win a Wave Runner or a Saturn. Every time I'd get the itch.
I would see one of the promos for like this season on the challenge.

Speaker 1 And holy shit, it's like guys in bandanas punching each other and like triple kisses in the, in the night vision. I'm like, I think I'm past that in my life, man.
I think I'm out.

Speaker 1 And I would just pass. I think it was a great move.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Next rewatchable scene,

Speaker 1 Lisa meets Gary's parents. Here we go.

Speaker 1 There's so many great parts of this scene. I like when she explains what's in the party.

Speaker 1 There's a given high school. The best.
There's going to be sex, drugs, rock and roll, chipstips, chains, whips.

Speaker 1 She outs him outs Gary for jerking off in the bathroom. Gary, you told me we're combing your hair.
And then Gary's dad just basically having his memory erased. It's just a tour de force.
One of the

Speaker 1 strangest things is that I never before or heard referred to it as tossing off. Is that a British term? Cause she's English? Is that the word? It's a British thing.
Yeah, it's a tossing off.

Speaker 1 I'm glad we're talking this, though, because we've talked about weird signs briefly in a couple of previous pods.

Speaker 1 When I said Daniel Rudy Rudiger has masturbated more than any character in movie history ever, we started putting a crew together and we got Joel Goodson.

Speaker 1 You immediately are like, oh, don't forget about Wyatt and Gary. They're definitely first ballot.
They're in for sure. Vision Quest is in for sure.

Speaker 1 And we're taking all, oh, I put Carl River Phoenix from sneakers. He's in the hall of fame as well, the Horny Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 First ballot.

Speaker 1 See, now

Speaker 1 you've thrown me off. Now I got to think of my people.
I feel like one of of the guys in the lost boys.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Those two twins.

Speaker 1 The two Corey's. Yeah.
Just thinking about the Sax guy.

Speaker 1 Yes, for sure. And I'm talking, this is non-incarcerated version.
So like multiple Migs doesn't count. Andy Dufrane in the hole doesn't count.
You can't be incarcerated to be in the hall.

Speaker 1 That's like using PEDs. But the Hall of Fame is named after Megs.
I mean, I think that's only for the multiple Migs.

Speaker 1 The multiple Migs. That's why they call them multiple.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Second creation attempt at the party.

Speaker 1 It's like, come on, guys. These 80s ones, these 80s teen movies always had to have the moment where popularity made our leads lose their minds.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And it's like Downey and his buddy is, oh, we can be friends. And they just kind of lose it.
And all of a sudden, they're trying to create a second killer, the Brock, and they fuck it up.

Speaker 1 Chet confronts everyone in the blue kitchen when he comes back. The grandparents in the closet are,

Speaker 1 it's still funny. 40 years later, there's a lot of good stuff in this.
And then the ending where they say goodbye to the girls, General Public's tenderness kicks in. Yep.
And Chet turns into a toad.

Speaker 1 Really satisfying ending. Then just completely ripped off by Superbad.

Speaker 1 Superbad, heavily inspired by it. We keep mentioning, see, notice how when you're doing the most watchable scenes, most of them involve Chet.
Chet is in this movie for like three scenes.

Speaker 1 He takes an hour away from the movie right in the middle of it. And it's not even a very long movie, but I think the best weird science is when he's on screen.

Speaker 1 And I love LeBrock in this, and I love Anthony Michael Hall. This to me, every time Chet's on, I'm not turning away.

Speaker 1 What do you have for most rewatch about Chet on the stairs trying to make drunk Gary throw up?

Speaker 1 I mean, the height of the party when everything's going wrong and the magic is taking over is really fun because the soundtrack's going, but I think, like, you're at to do right, Chet, you're at to do right.

Speaker 1 It's just when he, the booze hounds return, it's every line is quotable, and that's my favorite part. Top of the stairs, it's the most rewatchable scene.
My personal one is still Gary's dad

Speaker 1 for a lot of personal reasons.

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Speaker 1 All right, this will be a fun category, Kyle Brand. Yeah.
What's the most 1985 thing about this movie? And there are a million choices.

Speaker 1 I'll let you go first i have like six you know i just i'll go with the headliner we already talked about it the the computer hacking sequence when they're navigating through this labyrinth of electronic stuff and like e equals mc squared is floating around and there's atoms and then we immediately go to dave tv from david lee roth like that is everything that was going on then i don't know how to beat it yeah i would add tweak to that everything you said plus believing you could create a hot girl out of your computer in 1985 is the most 1985 thing about this movie A couple other ones.

Speaker 1 The title song being written and performed by Oingo Boingo.

Speaker 1 That literally had to happen in 1985. From my heart and from my hand, why don't people understand? I have to tell you, too, about that song.
So Elfman, like not a fan.

Speaker 1 He's kind of disabout it, which is really annoying. He's this prolific screen score writer for movies for years and years, but like.

Speaker 1 He will give interviews where he's like, yeah, that video was ridiculous. And the best thing that happened to that song with Elfman was that it landed on an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

Speaker 1 And Butthead's like, why didn't they let this guy back in Duran Duran? And Beavis goes, because he sucks. And it's just, it's so awesome.

Speaker 1 Cause I like that song. I remember that.
I like it too.

Speaker 1 Wyatt's posters, you get a couple of looks at them. There's some Depeche mode.
There's AHA. There's Human League.

Speaker 1 It's just like, we're right into the vortex of alternative music in the 84. I don't know why the Smiths weren't on there.
I guess maybe it wasn't a a Smiths guy. Maybe Morrissey wasn't resonating.

Speaker 1 Trunk full of Playboys, we mentioned David Lee Roth, you mentioned. This is like,

Speaker 1 there's an 18-month window where it made sense to have David Lee Roth in your movie. And then by 86, it's over.
It'd be like, why is he in this? But in 85, it made sense.

Speaker 1 And then the movie closes with general public tenderness, which,

Speaker 1 you know, by 85, that was probably the last year you could have done that, but it's really nice. Okay, we rarely get to hand out this award.

Speaker 1 And especially with you here what do you got the stephen sagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot

Speaker 1 so i just got this right from the internet what do you got in an interview with howard stern robert downey jr cleared up the rumors that he defecated in kelly lebrock's trailer

Speaker 1 this is perfect it's right on the nose best one we've ever had uh he said that him and the his villain buddy who was played by robert rusler yeah they would joke about defecating in people's trailers throughout the shoot.

Speaker 1 He admitted they eventually did it in one female cast member's trailer, but it was not Kelly LeBrock.

Speaker 1 John Hughes questioned everyone in the cast who did it. And when he got to Downey, he replied,

Speaker 1 No, but I sure wish it was me who did it. But he admitted he did it, but they didn't say who the cast member was.
This is an actual story that's on the internet. Not the best dingy.

Speaker 1 The best cigar we've handed out. That's by far.
I mean, if Downey's not careful, it would be a Robert Downey shit and and Kelly LeBrock's Trainer Award for a most unbelievable. That's nice.

Speaker 1 So he's like, Oh, yeah, we definitely took a dump in someone's trailer. It just wasn't Lisa's.
What?

Speaker 1 Man, yeah, it was one of the other female cast members, but he had the just over and over again. You could just be like, Yeah, I was pretty fucked up back then.
Seen a lot of bad things.

Speaker 1 Imagine that cast member getting back to her trailer after a whole hard day's shooting. It's tough one.
It didn't specify. Was it in the toilet? Was it on the floor? Like, what was it?

Speaker 1 I would think you do it on the floor. Otherwise, what's the point if you're trying to prank him? You just do it on the floor.
You shoot on my trailer, man. Shoot on my trailer.

Speaker 1 What's age the best? You mentioned this movie was filmed at the same high school as the Breakfast Club and was actually called Shermer High School. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which goes back to your John Hughes universe. What else do you have for What's Age the Best? I mean, just Downey in general.
Like, it's, if you're an Iron Man guy, you got to watch this movie.

Speaker 1 It's so surreal to see him. He's so young.

Speaker 1 He did this. At the time, it's like, it's so interesting.
At the time, he is, he's dating Sarah Jessica Parker, who had just done Foot Loose and who's doing girls just want to have fun.

Speaker 1 They needed SNL. He's doing back to school.
And like five years later, he's getting an Oscar nomination for playing Charlie Chaplin, this dickhead in this movie.

Speaker 1 And LeBrock has said, like, she's like, I get asked all the time, like, what was it like having Robert Downey Jr. on set? She's like.

Speaker 1 Whatever. He's just some guy.
I didn't even think about him at all. But it's so fun to watch him in this.

Speaker 1 I had that in What Sage age the best too just like this specific mid 80s robert downey because the back to school and this character are very similar yeah right even like from a hairstyle standpoint s n l he kind of had the same vibe um and you it was like who what is this guy what's going on here do you think he pops in this movie would you watch this and like oh that guy's got something i'm not sure it's hard to watch it neutrally i don't think so back to school i think is probably a little bit better i don't think he really popped until uh until less than zero you can tell in certain flashes like when the when they do the ic and their girlfriends break up with him and the girlfriends are talking in the background he's going like he's like dancing like that and then he goes right back to and like you can tell he's got talent and timing but this is just he's just a dickhead in an 80s high school movie there's nothing to see from it

Speaker 1 i thought the special effects aged pretty well from a 1985 standpoint yeah like that like the stuff going up the chimney and that's nuts the party seat in the living room the stuff moving around it's like pretty good it's like poltergeist Yes.

Speaker 1 My parents are away for the week as a 1980s teen movie trope. I got saved the best.
I got it. It's so fun.
The parents are coming home. Holy shit, I'm going to get in trouble.

Speaker 1 We got to clean up and we got to get all the stuff. It's like adventures and babysitting, risky business.
The whole movie is about that.

Speaker 1 And this movie, when they're magically cleaning up everything and the parents walk in, and at the last second, that little end table is just sliding into place. It has you on the edge of your seat.

Speaker 1 It's always good. My parents are going to find out we had a party and I got to to clean up.
I love it.

Speaker 1 Well, what's funny is this also goes on what's age the worst because now you would have ring cameras and

Speaker 1 security stuff.

Speaker 1 And if I went away with my wife for a couple of days, I would just be constantly looking at our outdoor, making sure nobody's coming in and texting my son and checking him out on Life 360.

Speaker 1 Like, you're not throwing a party at my house when I'm not here. Sorry.
Dude, you're all over it. We just had Halloween.
We had five or six kids who I know ding-dong ditch us.

Speaker 1 I'd see them a few days later. I'd be like, Hey, Devin, look at you.
I got you on my camera, you little shit. Look at you.
And he'd be like, Oh, no. Like, we just

Speaker 1 can't do any of it. Yeah.
Sorry, Mr. Brand.

Speaker 1 What's age the best? Why it's grandparents just being frozen in the closet? It's so fucking funny. I don't know.
I don't know who thought of that, but congratulations to that person.

Speaker 1 Do you think they're having a good time now? Catatonic in a closet.

Speaker 1 Every time I laugh.

Speaker 1 A couple more. They made a TV series in the mid-90s with Vanessa Angel as Lisa during her Apex Mountain when she was in Dumb and Dumber and then the weird science TV show.
I never watched it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you were. I don't know.
Not only did I never see an episode. I don't know anyone who's ever seen an episode, but Bill, apparently it was a very successful show.
It went on for years.

Speaker 1 88 episodes. Good for them.
I couldn't tell you what channel it was on.

Speaker 1 What channel it was on? It was on USA, I think.

Speaker 1 But I'm not totally sure because I never watched it.

Speaker 1 LeBrock's speech, I guess Lisa's speech at the end, when she's mad, they try to create a second woman and she's like, you had to be big shots, didn't you? You had to show off.

Speaker 1 When are you going to learn that people like you for who you are, not for what you can give them?

Speaker 1 Pretty good life lesson.

Speaker 1 Don't be a big shot. Be who you are.

Speaker 1 I think at that point, Gary and Wyatt are like, all right, enough of this fucking shit. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Get her out of here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Two more.

Speaker 1 The piano lady was played by Kim Malin, Kim with a Y. Talk about it.

Speaker 1 May 1982, Playboy Playmate.

Speaker 1 Her three best IMDb credits. Weird science, girl playing piano.
Great. Die Hard, hostage.

Speaker 1 Roadhouse, party girl.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. And diehard hostage.
It's a borderline new, it's a borderline new category, the Kim Malin,

Speaker 1 your best three IMDB category, just with no context. I want you to.
Weird science, Die Hard Roadhouse.

Speaker 1 I can't beat it. I want you to reference it in Future Pods and be like the classic Kim Malin run of the 80s.
Let's talk about the run. Triple crown.
She does this. This is like Hanks in the 90s.

Speaker 1 It's a triple crown. And by the way, she's not only the hostage in Die Hard.
She's the hostage that Hans Gruber's goon find having sex back in the office. And she is top lesson.

Speaker 1 She is in the Rewind the Scene Hall of Fame. You're like, oh my God, Die Hard has boobs.
Let me rewind it again. That's her.

Speaker 1 And she filed that up with Roadhouse. Can you, I mean, Jesus, can you imagine? Because when you're like a young actor in Hollywood, like it's just a series of calls home to your parents, hopefully.

Speaker 1 And like, how's it going? How's it going? And she's like, yeah, I got him

Speaker 1 in this John Hughes movie. Yeah.
Oh, like Molly Ringwald. Kind of.
I play piano and then the wind blows my clothes off. Great, honey.
Great job.

Speaker 1 So, John Kazeo is the best five movie IMDb run.

Speaker 1 What's that? He would Godfather, Godfather 2, Dog Day Afternoon,

Speaker 1 The Conversation, Deer Hunter. There's only five IMDb credits.
So that's the Kazale is the five. Maybe Kim Malins, just a random three, your triple crown for your three random.

Speaker 1 I think it also has to be where none of your characters can have a name.

Speaker 1 Girl playing piano, hostage, and party girl. There's no like her name was Donna.

Speaker 1 No, they can't even call her Sue. And everyone always be like, wow, in 94, Jim Carrey did dumb and dumber the mask and Ace Ventura.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, have you seen Kim Malin's run when she played hostage, piano girl, and bar actor? I don't know. Jim Carrey disqualified his characters had names.

Speaker 1 And then, uh, the last one I have for you is the Anthony Michael Hall stun double take.

Speaker 1 I just want to commemorate as a Woodsage the best. Nobody else has done it.
The

Speaker 1 he was good at that. And he really, he sells it and he holds it for like three, four, five seconds.
He'll just make a run at it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Big Hoona Burger Award, best use of food and drink. It's probably the icy, right?

Speaker 1 Definitely the icy. And I like that after he pours it on him, he drops the cup on his ass too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The cup is just the, yeah, that's this touchdown spike. Great shot, Gordo award for most cinematic shot.

Speaker 1 Would you go with the shower combo when they're talking about the girls are getting ready and they and Hughes does the close-ups of the two of them back and forth? I like how he does that.

Speaker 1 He's showing off there, but

Speaker 1 to the life of me, I can't understand how they got Kim Malin to launch out of the chimney and come all the way down into the pond that she lands in or something.

Speaker 1 And then she's sideways while her clothes are being blown off. That was like some tenant shit.
Like, I don't know what they were doing. It's reaching Christopher Nolan.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was that like 14-year-old Chris Nolan shooting that? I don't know what I was watching. That's that for me.
Keep cutting pursuit of happiness where best needle drop. Tenderness, general public.

Speaker 1 The first few beats of it are great. It's a perfect movie song.
You're going to go with that over the Oingo Boingo.

Speaker 1 Well, I have another category for Oingo Boingo. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers, World Best Character named Chet. It has to be just a big brother named Chet, who's a fucking asshole.
There's not a lot of Chets. There's a Chet Hanks.
There's Chet.

Speaker 1 It's like Chet Holmgren brought it back. Chet Holmgren.
But is there like a nice, conscientious, down-to-earth character ever named Chet? Like, you know what you're getting with the Chet.

Speaker 1 It's perfect. I got to be honest.
The Chad, Chet, Chaz universe is pretty grim

Speaker 1 i think i think cousin trent wants in on that too

Speaker 1 if it's a chad chaz

Speaker 1 chad chaz and chet

Speaker 1 i'm just gonna probably assume i'm not gonna like you you almost have to prove to me that i'm gonna like you yeah and i listen if you got words about this chet reddit ched it you can come and tell us whatever you want cheddar like when chet hanks chet hanks was having all his his issues it was perfect like of course his name's chet chet but chet holmgren brought it back so now chets are kind of the maybe the sexiest they've been in a while from like an it's okay standpoint father's name's tom he's like america's dad brother's name's colin he seems like a normal guy chet a little different

Speaker 1 craig can you come in the zoom for a second chet horror beck

Speaker 1 chet

Speaker 1 chet chas chad what are your immediate reactions

Speaker 2 The worst guy in the frat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's brutal. I don't know how you power rate them.
If you had to name your child one of those three, which one would you pick?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Craig might have kids soon. Like, those three names are off the table, I'm guessing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 I think you can get away with Chad the best.

Speaker 1 Chet and Chaz. Those are really hard.

Speaker 1 Even Chad Powers, they named him Chad Powers partly because

Speaker 1 those three are all really tough. Just go with Charlie.

Speaker 1 Chuck maybe even works a little better, although Chuck's kind of like, you know, your one relative or you're not sure if he's going to come to Thanksgiving or not because he's had some issues.

Speaker 1 There's a really old Andy Samberg stand-up bit where if you go to the country of Chad, it's just like a white asshole sitting there being like, what's up, man? You want a snapple?

Speaker 1 I'm going to put the PlayStation going.

Speaker 1 Named Chad.

Speaker 2 Isn't there a whole Pete Davidson thing as well? Isn't his character named Chad?

Speaker 1 I don't know. That whole bit with Pete Davidson.
Oh,

Speaker 1 like that brain dead guy i think his name's also chad chad is tough i feel bad for the good chads out there i'm sure they exist chad johnson ocho sinko there's plenty

Speaker 1 yeah chad johnson works i guess it maybe it works if you're like a receiver or safety you can maybe get away with it chad um

Speaker 1 well the butcher's girlfriend award for weak link of the film this could go a lot of ways what do you have Yes, we're going to get real.

Speaker 1 This is going to be the, here we go, motherfucking port of the podcast. I just got to shoot straight here.
All right, so you got these super horny kids, and they make a super hot woman,

Speaker 1 and there's no fucking action here. What are we doing?

Speaker 1 We made a hot big sister,

Speaker 1 we are the Gary would have been all over that in 30 seconds. Instead, it's like some sort of like Obi-Wan Kenobi adjacent sex robot who's going to teach me to be a better person and believe in myself.

Speaker 1 That's a wonderful message, but wildly unrealistic for a 15-year-old boy in 1985 i i know that there's higher things at calling here but jesus christ it's what are we doing they don't get anything from lisa that's the whole reason they built her meanwhile she's kissing on wyat and she's shopping for sexy underpants to turn them on so so what is she exactly it pisses me off

Speaker 1 i had the exact same weak link get into it these kids weren't nearly horny enough

Speaker 1 What are they doing? Yep. I just think the real life version of this movie, they create this person.
And then it's just like, okay,

Speaker 1 are we going to switch? She's here to have sex with us. I've never had sex before.
Like, let's rock.

Speaker 1 Who's first? Let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then it's like, you, all right, you get a half hour. I get a half hour.
Like, you're not leaving the house. Parents aren't coming home.

Speaker 1 It's, you have this, like, basically sex robot you've created. You're going to have sex with the robot.
Yes. You're not going to be like, yeah, let's go out and get some dinner.

Speaker 1 You've been to friendlies. They have fribbles.

Speaker 1 Patty belts are really good. They're going to be a while first.
No, no, no. They're leaving the house.
They're not leaving the room. And I respect that Lisa is an enlightened, intelligent character.

Speaker 1 That's why this is a movie. Of course.
You can't have her happy with each other.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, hold on. While we're giving Lisa so much credit for being so enlightened, what is she doing just making out with Wyatt out on his patio? Like.

Speaker 1 Wyatt's head would be exploding if that's happening. Like that's, I don't understand what her dynamic is with these boys.

Speaker 1 She's trying really hard to turn them on with like underwear and stuff and being in the shower, but she's like, I'm more like an older sister to teach them to believe in themselves.

Speaker 1 Bullshit, which is it?

Speaker 1 I don't think John Hughes was thinking about a lot of this stuff in 1985. He was just like sex robot.
It's very strange.

Speaker 1 Well, that leads us to What's Age the Worst?

Speaker 1 Philip Brock and Elon Mitchell Smith making out in that scene you mentioned. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he was 15 and a half. Okay, go on

Speaker 1 15 and a half.

Speaker 1 It was kind of shocking when it happened. Yeah.
Cause it was right, you know, that those standards were obviously different back then. But,

Speaker 1 but wow. I looked it up.
I was like, oh, is this kid like 20? It's like, nope, he was born in 1969. That's

Speaker 1 like, they're like making out.

Speaker 1 They making out for a prolonged time. And the dynamic that if you watch, if you really want to look for it now is like, he's very uncomfortable and like he doesn't know what to do.

Speaker 1 And he maybe part of him wants to stop.

Speaker 1 But one of the fun things about this movie, just aside, this is not fun, but what's fun is like they don't have 25-year-olds playing high school kids. These are real high school age kids.

Speaker 1 Like they went authentic, which is cool, but it's very strange there. It's, I don't know.
Also strange, Wyatt wearing her underwear for multiple minutes.

Speaker 1 It's just like

Speaker 1 panties. Why didn't somebody said stop that? There's some gay slurs in this movie we have to mention.
There's some.

Speaker 1 sure we mentioned the richard pryer omar scene which i don't think uh i don't think they would run that one back

Speaker 1 is my guess but in the 80s whatever i also had naming your dream girl lisa

Speaker 1 so think people are doing that now i think it's a i think it's just a better name yeah it's it's like um i don't know what that was my flex bail damn it oh shit

Speaker 1 i told you to give me a heads up no it's all i had i had a lot of them Instead of best character name, I had worst character name.

Speaker 2 And it's just naming your dream girl, Lisa, with just no thought.

Speaker 1 All right, we'll stay on for what's age the worst, and then we can do your flex so we don't step on it. What else did you have, Kyle? All right, well, I have more to say on the kiss.

Speaker 1 You know what I was thinking of?

Speaker 1 I was going to do an Apex Mountain for uncomfortable kisses. It's not.
It's not quite De Niro and Juliet Lewis and Cape Fear, which I feel like a crime is being committed as I'm watching it.

Speaker 1 It's so horrible.

Speaker 1 And Marty's just just seen it. I'm like, yeah, let's keep, let's go.
Yeah, suck her fingers.

Speaker 1 There's an infamous one in a movie called Blank Check where Duff, the VJ from MTV, like is kissing this little boy passionately that's fucked up.

Speaker 1 I guess, what can we say?

Speaker 1 I guess it was looked at differently because a lot of people saw this and said it was fine back then. But now we're like, this is weird.

Speaker 1 Well, 15-year-old Bill was like, this is the best thing I've ever seen in my life. And Bill paid.
Maybe this will happen to me. Yeah.
I know.

Speaker 1 All right, Craig, what do you have for your flex?

Speaker 1 Let's just get it over with yeah well outside of yeah naming your your dream girl lisa what would you have named your dream girl by the way what would it be i don't know i mean i guess you i guess it was lisa a cool name in 1985 definitely because there's no craig you should have named liz i left that i gave that set that it was like a fucking

Speaker 1 next to the rim for you

Speaker 1 jesus christ but i see her as something more than just some robot how dare you yeah good good audible um

Speaker 2 yeah i don't know it's like who's naming their daughter lisa in in 2020?

Speaker 1 Is it like Hazel or Simpson? The Simpsons ruined Lisa. Like, that's it.
Lisa Simpson, you're not naming your dream girl, Lisa after Lisa Simpson. I just think that's, it's out.

Speaker 2 I feel a little bit bad now now that you said he's 15 and a half, but I'm going to give the, I've only used this category once and I gave it to Ethan Embry, but it's the Matt Flynn $26 million contract award for the actor I can't believe we thought was a lead.

Speaker 2 And that's Elon Mitchell Smith, who I think.

Speaker 2 drags this movie down. And if and if you could just like put Robert Downey Jr.
just as him, the whole movie is so much better. He's, he's tough in this movie.
Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 I mean, I like this movie, and we'll get into it at the end, but every, every time he has to deliver a line, it's kind of rough, right?

Speaker 1 It's, you know, what it's very similar to is the Wiley Wiggins dazed and confused performance as Mitch Kramer. Good call.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where it's just, you're putting a lot on him, you know, and you really are. It's, it's, I'm trying to, who's the quarterback in 2025 where it's just like, man,

Speaker 1 I don't know. This is a lot of offense to throw.
It's like JJ McCarthy right now. It's like, oh, Jesus.
Yeah, he's not ready. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 He's got these two receivers and Kevin O'Connell, but I don't know if he can complete a straight pass. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Craig, as someone who likes spent years with this movie, you just kind of tolerate him. You know, he's not right.

Speaker 1 He's our guy. Just like Wiley Wiggins, you tolerate him.
He was, his voice is excruciating. He's like, I'm missile.
I'm missiling my room.

Speaker 1 And Hughes casted him because he he thought his voice was interesting. And he's like, yeah, I'll do you.
And he's the guy who like does, he makes the rounds.

Speaker 1 He comes to the Comic-Con type things and he'll speak. He's a professor now.

Speaker 1 I know, I feel bad because he's probably listening, but there's like, it's the same thing for Mitch Kramer. Like the, the IMDb usually doesn't lie.

Speaker 1 Right. And scoreboard.
You see the movies after the movie and it's like, well. Yeah, I think the IMDb speaks for itself.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just a heavy load to carry as a lead at this age. It's like, it's rare to find Anthony Michael Halls.
You know, it's tough. It's a tough casting move.

Speaker 1 Downey would have been the move. Downey, I think, would have been good.

Speaker 2 And I think he could have played a nerd because I don't think he gave off super cool guy jock vibes.

Speaker 2 Like, not that I guess he was a jock, but I think you could have realistically put him in that Wyatt spot and it would have played.

Speaker 1 Wow. This movie has a completely different shelf life if it's Downey and Michael Hall as the...
as the two stars.

Speaker 1 After Iron Man, this movie evolves into some different stratosphere. And those two are like like lifelong friends.

Speaker 1 Like, if Michael Hall is the godfather of Downey's kid, like that, that would have been fan. I mean, they reunited in stupid ass Johnny Be Good again, which we're talking about.
But

Speaker 1 that's a great call.

Speaker 1 Can I, Bill? I want to give one more What's Age the Worst? Cause this is pretty important.

Speaker 1 When we did the Wayne's World pod, we talked a lot about Wayne's World 2 and we're like, it's very, very dependent on knowing Oliver Stone's The Doors movie. That's pretty fucking weird.

Speaker 1 If you watch this movie and are not familiar with The Road warrior which is like the sequel to mad max you're like what the hell is going on here with these guys on the motorcycles i am lost it's very strange

Speaker 1 i created all these people who is lost okay yeah craig when you're watching these guys come in and it's it's it's pulled right from this movie that had just come out same actor same makeup same everything they're like doing an homage to it what are you thinking

Speaker 2 That everybody in the 80s could just get away with whatever they want. And I mean, I saw there was like a job of the hut 20 minutes later.
So I was like, you know,

Speaker 2 they're just, John Hughes is doing whatever he wants. And he thought of this overnight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is the lesson I've tried to teach Craig over and over again is that just cocaine in the 80s, like all bets are off.

Speaker 2 Well, and that movies back then could be more niche. Like this movie is made for only boys between the age of 14 and 16 and people who saw that movie.
Nowadays, they would never do that.

Speaker 2 I mean, they don't even make SNL sketches about movies anymore because it's a monoculture anymore.

Speaker 1 So it's one thing if Hughes wants to make an homage to the road warrior i get it a little tip of the cap

Speaker 1 this is a nine-minute sequence it's the climax it comprises 10 of the whole movie

Speaker 1 it's an incredible investment in the road warrior it's a good time to make popcorn too jesus and it's our guide by the well

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Speaker 1 All right, come back, Kyle. What is your flex category? Shit.
You know what? My flex category was going to be about the Jamie Lee Curtis Unnecessary Nudity Award for Kim Malin.

Speaker 1 We already talked about Kim Malin and the run that she went on. I also was going to go if this would be a porn title.

Speaker 1 And I was going to make it a gay porn called Queerd Science, in which Wyatt and Gary make a guy and they just get after it. And it's queer science.

Speaker 1 So that's fine. How would you spell the queer?

Speaker 1 Q-U-E-I-R-D

Speaker 1 science. And I think it might exist.
I didn't even look.

Speaker 1 I didn't look.

Speaker 1 I would vote not looking.

Speaker 1 That sounds like a possible virus.

Speaker 1 The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take a word.

Speaker 1 I think you can make a case.

Speaker 1 This is the best 80s movie theme song that actually has the title in the song. Oh, I love this.
For the purposes of the song. So

Speaker 1 I had six. What else you got? And all of them have a case.
And Weird Science is one of them. St.
Elmo's Fire. Yeah.
John. I can feel the fire burning.

Speaker 1 It's a great one. But it doesn't really work the plot into it.

Speaker 1 So just keep that in mind. Foot Loose.

Speaker 1 That's got to be the GOAT, right? That's tough to beat. Well, I'm going to try to make the case for Weird Science.
I'll help you. But Foot Loose,

Speaker 1 everybody's got Foot Loose.

Speaker 1 It ties into the plot.

Speaker 1 It's a good one. It's a

Speaker 1 good candidate. Purple Rain.

Speaker 1 So Purple Rain is like intimately into the end of the movie.

Speaker 1 Right? It was a great list.

Speaker 1 But I don't really know what the Purple Rain was compared to what I just watched in the movie. It's basically just like

Speaker 1 he came up with this awesome song that Wendy and Lisa wrote for him.

Speaker 1 And then he's like, Purple Rain, but it didn't really advance the plot. It's just basically him kicking ass with a song.
Ghostbusters. Ray Parker.
Now, that does work. That does work the plot into it.

Speaker 1 Who are you going to call Ghostbusters? I just don't think it's a good song.

Speaker 1 And then the last one is, we're going stealth against all odds. Oh.

Speaker 1 Which is...

Speaker 1 CR and I have circled it a couple times for the for the rewatchables.

Speaker 1 I think we might be the only ones that that like it, but it's got Phil Collins and it's got Jeff Bridges and Rachel Ward and They're in Love and it's Against the Odds. So those would be my six.

Speaker 1 So basically in the finals, I'd have Foot Loose Against Weird Science. This is so great.
I love that you and CR are circling against all odds. Was there not a song called Proof of Life in that movie?

Speaker 1 They didn't do one? No,

Speaker 1 they should have. It was sitting there.
The killers could have done it.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm trying to think like the Purple Rain, the legacy for me is just Prince playing that at the Super Bowl halftime in Miami and it's raining. Like I think of it more than the movie.

Speaker 1 Ray Parker Jr. is a full phenomenon.
Like it's that that song pretty good. I did consider it.
So here's my case for weird science.

Speaker 1 Hughes clearly told Oingo Boingo. Yes.

Speaker 1 I'm making this movie. It's about these 15-year-old kids.
that create basically like the perfect woman and she comes out of the computer and has sex with them. It's called weird science.

Speaker 1 Can you work some Frankenstein stuff? Can you have somebody say like, it's alive? And can you really like, I'll show you, I'll screen the movie for you and then you guys can write it.

Speaker 1 It just has that vibe. So I think I would still pick it number one.

Speaker 1 Footloose, I feel like Loggins just made Footloose. I don't know if they went to him and said, yo, here's the idea.
It's these kids dancing. They're dancing.
They're not allowed to.

Speaker 1 You're saying it was specifically curated just for this movie and the concept as opposed to just being a catchy thing.

Speaker 1 I feel like Loggins did Footloose. He wrote the song and then they were like, good song.
We should name the movie Footloose. Like it was almost like they had the song and then the title came after.

Speaker 1 This is clearly Weird Science. Can you write this? Plus, Loggins was just banging out so many hits for different movies at the time.
He spread the wealth around a little bit.

Speaker 1 I think that is a really, really good take. You know what the biggest loser in it is, though? Thomas Dolby, who two years later did She Blinded Me with Science.
He was like, God damn it.

Speaker 1 I had the science song, right she was right there he had to have been furious what's your uh hottest take

Speaker 1 my hottest take um

Speaker 1 lisa sucks that's my take and i'll tell you why

Speaker 1 right out of the gates she takes them to this terrible bar where they're totally uncomfortable at stands by while gary's coerced into drinking that's then lets wyatt drink and drive home um she's constantly teasing them sexually including buying underwear just to turn them on they don't want that fucking party.

Speaker 1 Wyatt says that a hundred times. I don't want this party.
They're not my friend. She's like, no, you're going to have a party.
She pulls a gun on Gary's dad, which Gary is really pissed off about.

Speaker 1 Then she makes Gary's dad permanently forget that his son exists. And then at the end of it, she's just like, I got to go.
I have to leave. Why? Why the fuck do you have to leave?

Speaker 1 And she just wants to. You left out the biker gang.
Yeah. Oh, the fucking biker gang.

Speaker 1 And you left out, she puts the grandparents in the closet. These poor people just wanted to see their grandson.
You're exactly right.

Speaker 1 And those girlfriends she got him, they're gone the next day they're not sticking around um she turned ched into a toad yes so i i think lisa like is she that great like what what exactly did she do for them because there's a lot of that she does wrong and

Speaker 1 lisa sucks i don't care yeah they there should have been that's a pretty pretty good one by the way i guess the counter would be she made them better people

Speaker 1 yeah first 10 minutes and by the way awful awful preachy that they decided to try to make another girl like why can't we decide we can make you disappear too she's trying to lecture them and condescend them.

Speaker 1 Like, they made you. They can make another one.

Speaker 1 I like her. It's pretty good.
Casting what ifs.

Speaker 1 Initially, Kelly Emberg, a model who had been in Sports Illustrated, was cast as Lisa, left after two days for creative differences.

Speaker 1 Was not able to find out anything on the internets about that.

Speaker 1 All I know about Kelly Emberg, she was an SI model and had a kid with Rod Stewart in the 80s, but they didn't get married. And then she sued him for palamoni.
Those are good nuggets. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also also auditioning for the part of lisa not getting it dami more let's go too young probably at that point she's like 20.

Speaker 1 but isn't 20 good don't we want their closer to wyatt and gary like

Speaker 1 i want someone close to them that they can sleep with like that's what i'm looking for here i don't want the mary poppins that's fair well the other one was robin wright who would go on to become the most beautiful woman in the world and princess bride so she's pretty young too both of them were soap opera actresses who were like 18, 19 range.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. So it works from a closer to the age, more realistic, but I'm not sure that's what Hughes wanted.
Robin Wright's coming off Santa Barbara, just absolutely staying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Princess Bride is 87.

Speaker 1 Were you on Santa Barbara? I was not on Santa Barbara. No, I was on Days of Her Live, but I've been to Santa Barbara.
You never did Santa Barbara? Like three weeks you were a doctor, you got killed?

Speaker 1 No, I think I was gone by the time I was in my soap phase. Maybe we'll be back.

Speaker 1 The only other casting, what if Anthony Michael Hall had a choice of doing National Lampoon's European Vacation or this movie and he chose wisely, chose weird size. This is the right move.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't like European that much. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just that guy a word. Is John Capalos a that guy?

Speaker 1 Not from me, but I'm deep and a nerd in this. I don't think most people know John Capalos.
Except for Craig, he's a that guy. Yeah, I mean, he's the custodian in the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 He's in 16 Candles. He's in the human.

Speaker 1 He wins. He wins.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's either him or your guy, your guy, Gary's dad, Britt Leach, as Gary's.

Speaker 1 He is a good that guy because I don't even know where I know him from. Where is he from? Is he a Terminator? He's not.
No, I wish. He is in the.
He's in the beginning of Terminator.

Speaker 1 No, Paxton's in the beginning of Terminator, but Britt Leach is, as far as I know, is not.

Speaker 1 He has a scene in Father of the Bride when George Banks crashes out, as they say, at the hot dogs. He's the grocery store manager.

Speaker 1 And Britt Leach is also in the great outdoors, just a couple of memorable roles, and he's just so good in this. Britt Leach.

Speaker 1 I have a scary bald biker guy with the ears. He's one of those guys.
He's been a scary guy. And then the lead biker guy

Speaker 1 of whatever that Road Warrior gang was was also one of the bad guys in Commando. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's like the number one guy with the chainmail. Like that's the same role, Bernan Wells.
Hey, Bennett.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take the knife on you, Bennett. You don't need the gun.
I'll twist the knife. Come on, Bennett.
Let off some steam that was years ago we did that dion waiter's award

Speaker 1 i have gary's dad i know it's not the right choice but i love gary's dad i love how much you love gary's dad i love that gary's dad who is this gary character uh

Speaker 1 what do you have for dion

Speaker 1 well uh well dad he's a plumber and he's into plumbing and uh and he plums right that um no i mean i have i have uh I have Chet, Bill Paxton. He's only in three scenes.
He disappears for an hour.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Chet.
I think he's the best part. I thought of Chet as like being an action, but you're right.
If he's only in three scenes, three scenes.

Speaker 1 YouTube donkey dicks couldn't get laid in a morgue. Like, just fucking awesome.
Awesome. I say it all the time.
Maybe Gary's Dad should just be a new category. What would it be described? Gary's Dad.

Speaker 1 I don't know why I love this character so much. Great.
Gary's Dad Award.

Speaker 1 Recasting Couch Director, City.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I mean, Downey being the

Speaker 1 being Wyatt is clearly the answer. I nailed it.
Nailed it.

Speaker 1 I'd like to test drive dumping Downey's Buddy,

Speaker 1 played by Robert Russler. And, like, where's Zapka? How is he not in this? Like, Zapka just should have been in all these movies.
It's four scenes. He just has to be at a mall scene.

Speaker 1 He has to be at the party. Like, they filmed two scenes in the bedroom.
Like, he could have, there's three days he could have just jumped in and filmed here. I don't know where you're right.

Speaker 1 You couldn't be more right. And you're, and you're, here's why.
It's like the key master and the gatekeeper getting together. We need William Zapka, bully, to be bullying Anthony Michael Hall nerd.

Speaker 1 And that's what we need. We never got it.
We never got it. It's like how we never got Sugar Ray Leonard versus Aaron Pryor.
I wanted that for the entire 80s. We got to have it.
Never had it.

Speaker 1 Half-asser research didn't have a lot here other than the production was kept closed because they wanted to keep the film's plot a secret for some reason.

Speaker 1 But then the Elon Mitchell Smith has given a couple of interviews since. And he said that there's a scene that Bill Paxton loved being around the filming and just seems like the greatest guy.

Speaker 1 But in the party scene, apparently he dresses up in his sunglasses and a

Speaker 1 trench coat, and he's in the party scene, and it's Chet. See, that's awesome.
But you don't realize that it's him, but it's, it's Bill Paxton because he just wanted to be around.

Speaker 1 That's everybody associated with this movie is like, so Chet's the biggest asshole of all time. They're like, Bill Paxton is the nicest person I've ever met in my life.
Yeah, everyone else is.

Speaker 1 And I just, he, you don't get him doing comedy much. It's like, no, it's here.
It's true lies when he's hilarious.

Speaker 1 And then even in serious movies like Aliens, when he's just like, you know, game over, man. Like, that's so fucking funny.
So when he does it, he does a great

Speaker 1 Apex Mountain. Yeah.
Anthony Michael Hall. I'm going to say yes.
It is. This is like, right.
This, this weird science breakfast club combo is right when it happened.

Speaker 1 Elon Mitchell Smith, definitely yes. Kelly LeBrock, also a yes.

Speaker 1 Woman in red, then this. Paxton, no asshole older brothers in a comedy i i'm gonna say yes i think chet's like

Speaker 1 chet's as good as we did

Speaker 1 he's competing against the home alone older brother like there's a couple but i still feel like chet's the best buzz doesn't win because the home alone uncle frank is worse than buzz and he takes all his shine but yeah chet is horrible

Speaker 1 Shermer High School, probably breakfast club. Definitely.
John Hughes.

Speaker 1 Heat check time. Heat check.
He's making a movie about a guy's making a woman. And they're like, yeah, sure, do it.
Whatever you want. Same year as Breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 I think it's Breakfast Club, though, which comes out after.

Speaker 1 Right? Does it come out after or before? February 85. This is autumn.
Oh, Breakfast Club came out before. So I think it's Breakfast Club.
Either way, it's Breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 Although some people would say it's the late 80s when he writes Home Alone.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 But I don't even know.

Speaker 1 I've wrestled with this my whole life. Do you like Breakfast Club or Ferris better?

Speaker 1 Breakfast Club, I've seen more times.

Speaker 1 They're both pantheon for me, but Breakfast Club's an all-timer for me. For years and years of my life, I would say Breakfast Club's my favorite movie.

Speaker 1 I don't really anymore, but I think it's just by a nose over Ferris. I love Ferris, though, babe.

Speaker 1 It's one of, especially as my brain's going as I've hit my 50s here, but it's one of the only movies I can still like quote accurately. I know, it's fun.

Speaker 1 It's really fun. Larry Lester's buns, taping them together.

Speaker 1 And you know what they do in that movie? It's the same thing they do here. Hughes always makes you eat your vegetables.
There's always going to be some sort of sentimental scene at the end.

Speaker 1 It's not just horny high school stuff, but Andrew Clark getting high and crying about his dad. This is Gary and Wyatt being like, I want you to like me for me.
That's why that's not really my car.

Speaker 1 Like, Hughes will always give you a little bit of green beans on the side.

Speaker 1 Toads?

Speaker 1 Apex Mountain for people being turned into a toad. I'm going to say yes.
So is he part of the current dirty ashtray? Like,

Speaker 1 what is that creature? Is he a pile of feces? Is he a frog? Is he a, I don't, I don't even know what it is. Feces toad that eats flesh.
Yes. Greasy pork sandwiches on dirty ashtray.
Yes.

Speaker 1 How about this? 80s high school party scenes. I got it on my list.

Speaker 1 And I'll say it as boldly as I can. This is the one for me.
This is number one high school party movie in any decade.

Speaker 1 It's just, and the reasons why I think that fucking house is amazing, why it has this huge mansion with like a lake outside and a gate. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She uses magic. So like there's all this food and like the lighting's perfect.
There's a full bar with bartenders and scotch and stuff. And like the music's cool.

Speaker 1 And there's, this is the party I wanted to go to when I was a little kid.

Speaker 1 That's fair. 80s fantasy women, no.

Speaker 1 Unless they're created from a, from a computer. Sure.
And then 80s houses coming back together right before the parents get home. I still think it's risky business.
Definitely. Well, the auction.

Speaker 1 Unloading Guido the color pimp. Yeah.
Just like pulling the carrying the egg, bringing the stuff back. So good.
Great stuff.

Speaker 1 Cruise or Hanks? Cruise is Wyatt, like early 80s Cruise, like Outsiders Cruise. I was thinking of like, of losing it, Cruz.
Losing it, Cruz as Wyatt. And by the way, when's the losing it pod, Bill?

Speaker 1 When's that coming? Him and Shelly Long. You only have so many cruise pots.
I think Cruz bought that out. I don't think it exists.
It's like how Johnny Depp bought out Private Resort with him and

Speaker 1 who's the guy, Rob morrow yeah you can't find that movie the movie's gone you can't find soul man you can't find losing it and uh i remember i read like a rundown once that cruise did with entertainment weekly where he gave like one take on all his movies that he did and they're like losing it he's like yeah that really made me learn about what projects to pick and that was like his only comment i don't think he's proud it's not good and then he went and bought every copy that was left scorses or spielberg probably spielberg

Speaker 1 the horny teenage thing would have resonated with him in some way i think spielberg for sure I just think, like, how cool was it, dude, that Hughes and Spielberg just holding down the 80s on totally different corners, totally different types of movies, never worked together, never crossed over.

Speaker 1 Like, the closest they got was that Chris Columbus was a Spielberg protege and he ended up directing Home Alone.

Speaker 1 If they could have movie swapped, I would have Spielberg direct Weird Science and I would have Hughes direct The Goonies, which he produced, but like the kids and the fun that they get into, like that would be the perfect swap.

Speaker 1 I'd love a Hughes Goonies. It's a good idea idea for a

Speaker 1 category movie swap.

Speaker 1 Yes, movie swap. Let's mark that one down.

Speaker 1 What role would

Speaker 1 Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? Clearly, Chet.

Speaker 1 How'd you like a greasy pork sandwich?

Speaker 1 He would have played him as like son of a woman that whatever his character was in that. With the jacket.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, picking knits. Sure.
We already mentioned the boys are getting the sex out of the way as soon as she's created. That's happening.

Speaker 1 This movie should have just been rated R.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And what would they do with it?

Speaker 1 This is one of the things we figured out 20 years later in the super bad era.

Speaker 1 It's like, why are we trying to make PG movies thinking kids aren't just going to go buy a ticket to another movie and then sneak into this one? Why aren't we building Buzz?

Speaker 1 Why aren't we pushing the envelope?

Speaker 1 For some reason, none of that stuff really clicked until about 2004.

Speaker 1 And it's a shame. PG-13, brand new, brand new at this point on the heels of Gremlin.
It was European vacation. Rusty saw some boobs.
Temple of Doom.

Speaker 1 So they're like, you know, we can give them a little action. We can kind of show a nude woman, say a few bad words, but we can sell more money by getting younger people in as well.

Speaker 1 It's always been like that purgatory rating. You know, that, like the new Predator movie is out, and people are like, holy shit, it's PG-13, but it's really good still.

Speaker 1 It must be amazing if they can be that good without an R rating. It's just fascinating to me.

Speaker 1 Any other picking nets? I mean, it's hard to pick a lot of nits with this movie because it's so ridiculous. I just like, okay, I grew up in the Chicago suburbs.

Speaker 1 I basically grew up in Shermer in the mid-80s.

Speaker 1 The fact that these two kids are living in the north suburbs of Chicago, Illinois of 1985, and they're not having every single conversation about the 85 Bears is such bullshit.

Speaker 1 It's the biggest thing in the world. Never mind, Lisa.
They'd be making Wilbur Marshall and Otis Wilson and playing the Super Bowl shuffle. There'd be no Ongo, Oingo, Boingo.

Speaker 1 It would be Refrigerator Perry rapping. It was everywhere.
It drives me nuts that there's no 85 Bears in this. They just missed.
Wow, that's great. Well, you also have the 84 Cubs, too.

Speaker 1 It would have been. And Gary's.

Speaker 1 You would have had Leon Durham. You would add a Jim McMahon, Walter Payton, something.
Rick Sutcliffe, for sure, is up there.

Speaker 1 No wonder these guys were fucking nerds. Put on a Walter Payton jersey, guys.
He's right there. He's been there for years.
This generation sucks. What are you guys doing? I don't know.

Speaker 1 By the way, Jordan showed up that year, too. You're right.
So it's everybody. Jordan's on the Bulls.

Speaker 1 Throw on a Jordan jersey. Be ahead of the curve.

Speaker 1 Jordan shows up not until Home Alone later in Kevin McAllister's Christmas decorations. They finally get back to it.
The only other nitpicking I had is what is going on in that

Speaker 1 bathroom scene at the end? Like, Wyatt is taking a shit while Gary's in the room. That doesn't make...
No one's ever done that. I don't understand.

Speaker 1 It's beyond a picking nit. I don't know.

Speaker 1 These guys share a lot. Like,

Speaker 1 they share.

Speaker 1 They sleep together every night. They're like taking shits together.
They're in the showers together.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine being in the same bathroom as your high school friend while he takes a dump right next to you?

Speaker 1 That would never happen. It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 And why did they then let the two girls in to use the bathroom and then they just get into the shower?

Speaker 1 I hate that scene. It makes me uncomfortable because I know it stinks in that bathroom.
I hate it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Also, why are there two twin beds in that room?

Speaker 1 Great call. I thought the same thing.
Great call. It's set up for someone.
Sweet twin beds. Yes.
Yes. Well, maybe the only thing I was thinking was maybe Chet.

Speaker 1 slept with Wyatt for a while before he got older.

Speaker 1 And they just never got rid of the twin beds. And at the end of the movie, Gary and Deb are in one of the twin beds together.
And like, like, that's that's pretty tight. It's, it is strange.

Speaker 1 Can I, I had this later for Illinois, an unanswerable question about Illinois, but I'll do it here because we had all these different houses and movies filmed in there in the 80s.

Speaker 1 And all the houses are like really nice and huge. And they're in these great suburbs, you know, good school system, apparently.
You get Carl the Janitor is your janitor.

Speaker 1 But this house you mentioned earlier was like a really nice, almost like a mansion. So was the home alone house.
So was the risky risky business house. Ferris had an awesome house.

Speaker 1 Cameron had an awesome house.

Speaker 1 Was Illinois just like the best

Speaker 1 mid 80s Illinois, the best redfin you could have could have done? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just like, oh man, like, were these houses expensive? Did just everybody have a nice house?

Speaker 1 I didn't understand it. I think it's a really nice place to live.
And there's some neighborhoods that aren't, but listen, like I, I, I know where Cameron Fry's house is. We used to drive by it.

Speaker 1 It's in, it's in Lake Forest. We used, and the crazy thing is, Bill, is that like the Bears facility is up there and the Bulls practice facility.

Speaker 1 So like Michael Jordan's house is like five minutes away from where Gary and Wyatt's house is. They're all up there in the North suburbs.
Great place to live, man.

Speaker 1 We should have given the Amanda Dobbins real estate category to the house because I just thought it was an awesome house. It is.
Sequel, prequel, Prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable.

Speaker 1 All black cast would have been interesting. Sure.
Maybe like a 1994 range all-black cast. You get like Alfonso Ribiero is one of the nerds.

Speaker 1 I don't know, Halle Berry's the weird science. Maybe it's like 92,

Speaker 1 91 range. Okay.
When there was like a black movie renaissance just happening in general. Maybe they're like, fuck it.
Let's make black word science. Let's go.
I can flush that out for you.

Speaker 1 And when they make Lisa, the first thing Lisa does is take him to a bar of all white people listening to heavy music. And they're listening to like mega.
They're like a country club. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And they're just like, yeah, here, drink this martini. And they drink it and it's all switched like that.
That's the way it works. She takes him to the Shermer Country Club because it's martini night.

Speaker 1 Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Bad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bills, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collins or Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley in the firm?

Speaker 1 What do you have? All right. You're going to do it, aren't you? I got to stretch out.
So our guy this week.

Speaker 1 Gus Johnson has been in the news. He's been in the conversation for his call at the end of the Indiana game.
I'm Team Gus for life. And I think you start the movie with Gus.

Speaker 1 Not on Go Boingo. You got Wyatt and Gary sitting there, and they're checking out the gym.
And Gus comes on the call. Wyatt and Gary, young fellas,

Speaker 1 pitching tents in the gym, watching girls' gymnastics. Here comes Tony Stark.

Speaker 1 There we go.

Speaker 1 Wow. We, you, you actually, you lost audio on the Zoom because you went to

Speaker 1 recording from your end. Wow.
I'm at work right now, too. Sorry for everybody.
They might actually think it's Gus Johnson, but it's just me. It's like, Gus Johnson's in the closet.

Speaker 1 What's going on there?

Speaker 1 What do you got? I was thinking it could be funny if Buffalo Bill was in this movie because, you know, it's Middle America. Let's go.

Speaker 1 And there, somebody comes to see what happened to

Speaker 1 Lisa a couple of days later. Sure.
And she's in his basement,

Speaker 1 you know, with with with

Speaker 1 with Precious. He's already kidnapped her.
And they're like, have you seen Lisa? Like this really hot British lady.

Speaker 1 She's a big British lady.

Speaker 1 She's wearing a thong and a cut off t-shirt. Yeah, I heard about that.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Just put, just put them in.
Bonus content for the DVD. Yeah.
It

Speaker 1 puts the woman on the computer like it's told her. It gets the hose again.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Just want to ask her who gets it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, tough one. Maybe you go boingo.

Speaker 1 Danny Huffman.

Speaker 1 He would refuse to accept it. Danny Huffman's like, this movie never happened.

Speaker 1 Probably unanswerable questions.

Speaker 1 Did Gary

Speaker 1 ever have sex with Lisa?

Speaker 1 Did Gary? No, we don't even see him kissing her. Nothing.

Speaker 1 He got drunk and passed out. It was only a one-night thing because the second, this is all one weekend.
First night pass out. Yep.

Speaker 1 Second night party. Yep.
So he's out. Nothing.

Speaker 1 And then did she have sex with Wyatt?

Speaker 1 She wakes up the next day and he's wearing her panties.

Speaker 1 So that insinuates that something happened.

Speaker 1 He said, she, she makes out with him and says, what do you want, basically? And he's like, girls' gymnastics. It's all going exactly how you would want.
She's like, what fantasy do you want me to do?

Speaker 1 And then the next morning, she says, I was in the middle of my gymnastics routine and you passed out. You fell asleep.

Speaker 1 So ostensibly, like she was going to have to be like, he would have to have been roofied. She's not to pass out.
Yeah, he's never had sex before. He's not passing out.

Speaker 1 He might be passing out because there's no blood in his head, but he's not falling asleep.

Speaker 1 I don't think it ever happened. And I put that line into like, but again, the smoking gun for me is she is at a lingerie store buying underwear specifically that they want to look hot in.

Speaker 1 It just, it doesn't make sense. And the next morning, at least for an hour, Wyatt's going, what happened last night? I passed out.
Did you have sex with her? What happened? What did you do? Yes.

Speaker 1 They're just recapping every single moment of it. And

Speaker 1 Gary's just going, I can't believe I passed out. I got to wait before we do anything today.
I got to. Yeah, let's go take care of it.
No. Now they're just going to a mall.

Speaker 1 What were Lisa's, I guess this is the Zawatana award too but what were lisa's next few days like

Speaker 1 in shermer as as the new british gym teacher with um

Speaker 1 no credentials um i don't even know if she has a driver's license where does she live did she get an apartment did she just magically make an apartment did she move into another house like what what was going on there she can make all that stuff i think with magic i i wonder like

Speaker 1 What is her first gym class? Are we doing the pegboard? Are we climbing the rope? Are we doing the presidential? Like vision class style? Yeah, we're just already done.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Kickball, but she's making the balls like go in crazy directions. Yes, is she dating? Does she want to date? Is she interested in meeting somebody?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Michael Jordan. And she's like, Who's this guy in the bulls? I think that that's just gonna be my new boyfriend.
No, I don't know. She, we know that she likes him very, very, very unathletic.

Speaker 1 You know, that we're not talking Gary Wired

Speaker 1 both life.

Speaker 1 Did Lisa eat and go to the bathroom?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because we see her drinking. Is she fully human? Yeah, I think we see her drinking.
And

Speaker 1 I love that we're asking this. This is reminding me of.
I was a cigarette at one point

Speaker 1 on the Star Wars pod. We spent 10 minutes being like, so does Chewbacca take a shit? And I was like, way in.
I'm like, this is why I listened. Does Chewbacca have an asshole? Like, what's his deal?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's like a dog. And yes, Lisa does.
And she takes shits. And she might have even peed when she's in the shower with Wyatt and Gary.
Sure, let her rip. Okay.
I want to make sure.

Speaker 1 Did you have any unanswerables? Cause I'm going to move on.

Speaker 1 Just quickly, is this movie like spinning clock at the end? It's so short that they just, for some reason, inexplicably put in a chase scene with police that doesn't add up to anything.

Speaker 1 And they go in front of the train like it's Dukes of Hazzard for no reason. I feel like they're like, we need three more minutes to make it a movie.
It just does nothing.

Speaker 1 He was just like, we got to get to 88 minutes. That's what I told the studio.
Ferrari chase scene.

Speaker 1 What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie? I just want to point out the jacket worn by Kelly LeBrock in this film. Go on.

Speaker 1 Was sold to a pawn shop in Beverly Hills for $25,000. A couple of things.
A nice jacket. The sleeveless one.
Yeah. Yeah.
I would get that if I would give it to my wife, but she's not wearing that.

Speaker 1 I would think of another family member, though. My souvenir bill will be

Speaker 1 Wyatt's incredible full-ass treasure chest of Playboys.

Speaker 1 Oh, and with the trunk itself. With the trunk itself.
Yeah. Under the tree for my son when he's the right age on Christmas.
Have fun, son. Go with God.
That'd be it.

Speaker 1 So I wanted, when they go up the stairs

Speaker 1 in Wyatt's house a couple of times, there's a family portrait of Wyatt and his family. And then later at the party, they all have the Hitler mustaches drawn on them.

Speaker 1 And I just think having that portrait would be hilarious. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 People always say they want that. the Tony Soprano portrait when he's with Paio Mai with like the

Speaker 1 white Paul he takes. No, you're like, no, this is Wyatt's family from the Home Alone, the real or the from Weird Science, the real family.
It's great portrait.

Speaker 1 Well, there was the Dirk Diggler portrait. Yes.
It was available a couple of times. And

Speaker 1 I went on the auction site because I was like, hey, if this isn't, and it went for like some crazy price. Like five figures.
Like crazy. Like six figures.

Speaker 1 It's the worst painting of all time, too. It's horrible.
It has Jesse St. James in the bottom right as like she actually painted it.
And

Speaker 1 I wanted it for the studio, but it just didn't work out.

Speaker 1 The Coach Finstock Award Best Life Lesson. We can deal with shame.
Death is a much bigger issue. It's a heavy line.
Yeah. Just put that in your high school yearbook, ready to go.

Speaker 1 What's your double feature? Oh, mannequin. I'm doing Andrew McCarthy and Kim Cottrell.
Nothing's going to stop us now. A magical woman comes out of nowhere.
You got Hollywood.

Speaker 1 You got the guy from Police Academy.

Speaker 1 And Bill, if the painting's too expensive for the studio, you should see if they have those DD drapes that they close that are embroidered with dirt diggler that's probably way cheaper

Speaker 1 i'll look at that i'll search for that later my double feature is breakfast club for the same reason my who won the movie pick is anthony michael hall ah i think i i just think it's an anthony michael hall double feature where you're like this guy should have like this guy should have at least been how we talk about jonah hill now yeah as popping in all these different awesome movies and um just having a bigger run yeah now he became a really good character actor later in his career, but I just felt like

Speaker 1 it's just too bad, but this is the 80s. Like weird shit happened and I know he had some issues, but it's too bad.

Speaker 1 He really carries Inland Mitchell Smith in this movie, too. Like it's, I feel like he's Jamar Chase and Mitchell Smith is like Jake Browning.
Like

Speaker 1 he's just carrying.

Speaker 1 Give me the ball, dude. Just give me the ball anyway possible.
Who do you have for who in the movie? I had LeBrock written down.

Speaker 1 Like, I think, I think Anthony Michael Hall has been great and other stuff. She's just sensational.
If she doesn't work, the movie's terrible.

Speaker 1 And I think it's really cool that she didn't do a movie for another five years. She just seems like a cool lady.
She refers to Hard to Kill that movie.

Speaker 1 If you ask her, she refers to it as hard to watch. Like, she's self-deprecating.
She's cool. I think for her.

Speaker 1 Not hard to watch for us. Hell no.
Every time. I watch it tonight.
All right, Craig, you've intentionally held off your take. I can't wait.
What do you got? Man,

Speaker 2 we throw this movie in the vault with the movies that need to be studied and revisited every decade. I think it's in the running.
I think it's in the running for the most 80s movie ever.

Speaker 2 Obviously, you guys could make that call better than me, but man, the clothing, the hair, just prime 80s, the cheesy effects.

Speaker 2 The like close-up facial reactions, like when they see Kelly LeBrock for the first time, they do like the head wiggle with the sound effect, which is so 80s. There's like a 10-minute offensive scene.

Speaker 2 You got a mall scene, Road Warrior, Oingo Boingo, Boingo, Anthony Michael Hall himself.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I will say, when I went into this movie, I didn't know it was. I intentionally don't, I don't watch trailers.
I don't look up anything about the movie. I just watch it.

Speaker 2 I, so I didn't know it was PG-13, assumed it was R. Was kind of expecting Kelly LeBrock naked in like the first 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like the shower scene, I was like, here we go.

Speaker 2 And then they cut off at the legs. So I was slightly disappointed there.
And it kind of like changed my calculus of what the movie was because it's John Hughes.

Speaker 1 But I thought LeBrock crushed it. I thought her accent also worked.

Speaker 2 I think this movie is like, I don't know, five of the most inexplicable scenes of the 80s.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like Anthony, Michael Hall talking, like Richard Pryor.

Speaker 2 Everything is completely insane, but also very wholesome. Like they don't know what to do with Lisa but stare at her.
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 The one quibble I have.

Speaker 2 Why did they make her as smart as Einstein? Why would you want to do that?

Speaker 1 You wouldn't, Craig. No.

Speaker 2 Like, I know that sounds bad, but like, you're 15 years old.

Speaker 1 Like, you don't want it to be that smart. Like,

Speaker 1 why Einstein? Smartest person in the world?

Speaker 2 Makes no sense.

Speaker 1 I think they were really ad-libbing a lot of that when they were making the perfect woman. I think they probably would have done some do-overs.

Speaker 1 This movie's insane.

Speaker 2 This movie's insane. This movie's just out of control, 80s, everything about it.
It's so goofy to me, but I have to remind myself that like the scarcity of male fantasy content that was available.

Speaker 1 Craig, you must have been like, holy shit, when I'm through all but five minutes of of this movie and i think i've seen it all and then when chet turns into the piece of shit frog like what that

Speaker 1 the movie was like normal kooky 80s until the road warrior people showed up and then chet turned into job the hut and i was like all right i officially don't know what the fuck's going on i don't think hughes did either because he's they're just trying to he's trying to finish it as fast as possible because this was how he was allowed to make the breakfast club if you also agree so he's just trying to get through this because he wants to make pretty in pink yeah well i don't know why wasn't lebrock a bigger star what happened there?

Speaker 1 She went away.

Speaker 2 She met our guy, Seagal. I can't believe she's with Seagal.
I don't know if that makes me think better of Seagal or worse of LeBrock.

Speaker 1 Craig, if we could rewind this pod, the part where you had a natural reaction to Kelly LeBrock being married to Steven Seagal was my favorite moment. It's unbelievable.
You were shocked, bro.

Speaker 2 I'm in shock. You're Kyle.
You've been like, she's so cool. She's so self-aware.

Speaker 1 I'm like, how is she so self-communicated? I don't know where she married. She's been married to him a long time.
I don't know. They even survived when he had the

Speaker 1 no-intimacy coordinator scene. What was that?

Speaker 1 above the law which was no that was uh hard to kill hard to kill yeah no it was that it was wasn't hard to kill hard to kill is the one she's in with lebrock yeah yeah but it was that that was the other stephen sagal movie when he's had when his wife gets shot to death right

Speaker 1 was that the same movie

Speaker 1 Before his wife is shot to death, he takes liberties with his wife's upper body that I've not seen in movies. That's right.
Yes. You're not supposed to do that.
That's the same movie.

Speaker 1 Same movies in with his wife. Come on.
Yeah. And that's how he went the coma

Speaker 1 unbelievable can you imagine the red carpet premiere with that nope she's like i didn't realize you went like this crazy anyway all right so craig you enjoyed it yeah of course like it's it's 88 minutes it's remarkable how many memorable moments there are in 90 minutes yeah like so many things happen there are so many scenes that that just will stick in your brain forever it's an insane movie i can't the 80s are just crazy i heard uh yeah you really missed your calling craig feeding uh feeding in images and input into a computer to make the perfect specimen.

Speaker 1 Bill, is it true that that's how Robert Kraft made Drake May? I heard that that's the rumor going around the NFL.

Speaker 2 A little bit of Josh Allen, a little bit of, yeah.

Speaker 1 We love. Drake May is a hero in New England right now.

Speaker 1 Even as his wife is doing cooking stuff, if you see all the Pats fans,

Speaker 1 they call her the first lady. It's just great.
It worked out awesome. I think it's great.
He's really happy for you. I think it's Mr.
Kraft is there with the supercomputer.

Speaker 1 He's got pictures of Brady and Drew Bledsoe and Doug Fluty and a little Brian Hoyer's brain. And like he just puts them all in and it came out Drake May.
It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum he threw in there just a little bit.

Speaker 2 And they picked a good name, Drake May. They didn't pick Lisa.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks to Kyle Brandt.
A pleasure as always. Thanks for pushing to do this.
Thanks to Craig Horbeck. Thanks to Gahal.

Speaker 1 We'll be back next week with probably not one from the 80s next week. We should try to get a little more modern, but good to see you guys.
Thanks.

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