‘Two for the Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Cousin Sal

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Speaker 2 Chris Ryan. Yeah.
How are you? I'm doing great, man. Good to see you.

Speaker 1 Taping this right after Tough Eagles lost. 21-0.
You lost to the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 Doesn't sound like that.

Speaker 1 We arranged this way ahead of time, not realizing there'd be a controversial Cowboys-Eagles game.

Speaker 2 We knew. Back in the shame tunnel.
Deep down, we knew. And you were texting me, go after yourself.
Your team sucks. I was like, whoa, whoa, hold on.
Let's see how this turns out.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's exactly what happened. Sal, we're together on Sunday nights during football season.
You're at the Ringer Gaming Show as well. We've known each other for a long time.

Speaker 2 You've only been on a couple of re-watchables. I'm intimidated by this.
I told you.

Speaker 1 I don't like to play the Sal card too often.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Has to be the last time you were on was Back to the Future 2. Right.
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Speaker 1 CR, you've been circling two for the money. I don't remember the first time you texted me about it, but it's been a while.

Speaker 3 We also just, I'm gambling again has been a battle cry of this podcast for a long time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Two for the Money came out 20 years ago on Columbus Day. What a terrible idea.

Speaker 2 Why would they release this movie on Columbus Day weekend?

Speaker 1 Trying to think, is there a worse sports weekend other than like first weekend of March Madness?

Speaker 2 Italian, boiler room, mafia, you know, backdoor dealings, gambling. I could kind of work.
Columbus Day. Wait a second.

Speaker 3 So you're just going to do the like the lead from your page two column from 20 years ago.

Speaker 2 I was just like, well, I was rereading it.

Speaker 1 I, first of all, forgot I wrote about the movie. I've hit the point in my life where I was reading it like somebody else wrote it.
That was great.

Speaker 2 By the way, you were a great writer. I was.

Speaker 2 You didn't know him back then. I didn't.
You got to trust me. He was really, really good.
No,

Speaker 2 I read it. I reread it.
It's a re-readable readable.

Speaker 1 I read it. I'm going to plagiarize pieces of it for this podcast.
I was thinking about the post-Rounders era, though. So Rounders comes out late 90s.

Speaker 1 And then eventually at some point, everyone starts taking cracks at these different sports movies, TV shows. We have Tilt, their friends Koppelman and Levine.
That's on ESPN.

Speaker 1 Playmakers, Two for the Money, Fever Pitch, Friday Night Lights. There's a million Disney movies like The Rookie, Miracle.

Speaker 1 All those Toling Robin movies that were out, like Varsity Blues, Summer Catch. It was like the sports content frenzy.
Everyone was trying to crack the code.

Speaker 1 And Sal Sports Gambling, which by this time you and I had known each other for a couple of years. Yes.
There's a sports gambling movie coming out with McConaughey and Pacino. We're excited.

Speaker 2 Pretty great. And yeah, you talked about all those other movies and just, yeah, it requires to feel full teams and full stadiums and everything else.

Speaker 2 And this was basically shot in one office for like 75%. Yeah.

Speaker 1 With the old USFL highlights. Who knew the USFL was going to be the most important thing that ever happened to content?

Speaker 2 No, it really was the best, the only good thing about it. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I can't watch too much of it, though. It's so disingenuous.
The sports gambling? No, no, just the non-descript jerseys. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 It's tough when you don't get the rights and you're just watching Tampa versus Oakland in the big game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, they did. They couldn't get the rights.
Nobody can get the rights. The Super Bowl.
So the Super Bowl with four X's.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Super 40.
That's what I was.

Speaker 1 Super XXXX.

Speaker 1 They tried to do that.

Speaker 1 CR, what? So Friday Night Lights worked the best out of all of these. Did any of these these other ones work?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, it's interesting that you're categorizing it as post-rounders because I think that this movie has a lot of that in its DNA.

Speaker 3 And then I think it has a fair amount of Jerry Maguire in terms of this kind of side story within the world of sports that you don't know that much about.

Speaker 3 So obviously Maguire is about the world of being a sports agent and this is about the world of gambling.

Speaker 3 But specifically, and it's both what's the best and the worst, and we're probably going to get into this, but a very specific kind of sports gambling culture, which isn't betting. It's touting.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 We got to do this now. We got to.

Speaker 1 I think it's an age the best and an age the worst. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because this is what we grew up with in the 90s with these shows. And I wrote in that page two column I wrote about when I lived with my buddy Jeff, Best Man at My Wedding.

Speaker 1 We would watch the sports advisors every week. And it was.
Stu Feiner, Jack Price.

Speaker 1 It was like, we didn't have unintentional.

Speaker 3 Wayne Allen Root, Jim Feist.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Larry Coker.

Speaker 1 We didn't have the internet to embrace the unintentional comedy. So as far as Jeff and I knew, we were the only two people on the planet who thought this was funny.

Speaker 1 And they would go, they would cut to, was Price would be like, I'm here in Vegas. But he was clearly in a green screen.
Stu Feiner was a maniac.

Speaker 1 And these guys would all be like, call my 900 right now. And I got, I got the luck of the year.
And it really was like this.

Speaker 1 So this movie, the best part of this movie is it captures exactly what that was like. I wish it had done done more.

Speaker 3 There are two things I remember, like they happened yesterday in my life about watching football and being a football fan when I was a little kid.

Speaker 3 One is on Sundays, my mom would be like, You can watch football for as long as you want, but you got to do errands with me in the morning.

Speaker 3 So we would go out, usually to New Jersey from Philadelphia to do food shopping and whatever else.

Speaker 3 And I would be like, On a couple of them, I'd have to go help her, but sometimes I could sit in the car and just listen to the radio all morning on IP.

Speaker 3 I remember it being a sports advisor going through the games, going through his picks, and all of it was on turf after Black Friday, after like a Republican president has been elected, he's 0-5.

Speaker 3 Smash the over, you know, and it's just like these guys with these complete mythological advice, that and the whole phenomenon of you'd be listening to the radio and the guys at different stadiums who would call in with updates, like, it's Bobby McNamara here in Dallas, 3-0.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. And that would be his report.

Speaker 2 And those would be like, that was like how i followed football all day sunday other than watching the eagles did you i got stuck if i could tell a 45 second story i was on one of these sucker lists right so you listen to these guys call my 900 number and we loved it and it was pro line and it was me and my friend harry and somehow they got our phone numbers we must have filled out something right and so then they would call us at the dorm right just as we were

Speaker 2 like i try to blow them off like yeah and everybody had like a like a name that like had money at the end like it's it's it's Johnny Cash or

Speaker 2 Stu Gold or anything like that. So it's like, hey, Stu Gold, Colin.

Speaker 2 I'm like, hey, I'm heading to the dining hallway. Really? Do they serve lobster? Because you could eat lobster seven days a week if you get my Big 12 game of the year.

Speaker 2 So we avoided for as long as they...

Speaker 2 they we could. But what they do is, and you pointed this out in the page two article, what normally they do is they'll take a list of suckers, 100 people, right?

Speaker 2 And they'll tell 50 of them take the Chiefs and they'll tell 50 of them take the Cowboys, right? So now they've given 50 people one winner and then they splinter that.

Speaker 2 They tell 25 people take the Colts, tell 25 people, take the Texans. So now they've given 25 people two winners, goes on and on.

Speaker 2 So if you've given somebody three winners, right, you're going to listen.

Speaker 1 So you're one of 12 people left on the list. They've given you the winner three weeks in a row.
And you're like, these guys are amazing.

Speaker 2 They know something, right? So they get my friend Harry, they're like, send me $400 and I'll give you my ACC game of the year. It's between Florida State and Duke.

Speaker 2 And Harry gives the 400, but that's not a bet. So you just give them the money.
And then you have to. For the tip,

Speaker 3 it's the price of the tip.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And then you have to make the bet, which has to be more than $400, obviously, for this to work.
He gives out Duke plus 17, and Florida State wins 59 to 20. And Harry's pissed.

Speaker 2 And he calls this guy back and he says, this is crazy. Your ACC game of the year.
Who do you think you are? Duke, you give give your ACC pick of the year, give up 59 points.

Speaker 2 What kind of idiot gives up

Speaker 2 ACC lock and makes it Duke? And he's like, I got a better question for you, Harry. What kind of idiot gives $400 to a total stranger? Flick hung up.
And that's it. Wow.
That's basically the story.

Speaker 2 That's the boiler room mentality.

Speaker 3 Because this existed in a kind of gray area of legality, right?

Speaker 3 Like, and the way that they would get their money and the way that they would, because there isn't actually like a contract where it's like,

Speaker 3 you have have to do this or like, you should pay me a commission if you win. It's all like on the arm.

Speaker 2 It's all advice.

Speaker 1 It was no different.

Speaker 1 This is all through the 90s. This is right around the tail end because the internet's really starting to come in.
But this was where you would talk to an astrologer.

Speaker 2 Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 You would do all kinds of 1-900 stuff. There would be like sex lines.
You'd talk to some girl. You'd keep paying.

Speaker 2 Realitybyte said this. Even the stock market was kind of like that.
You had people cold calling and screaming at you and stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what's interesting, this movie is probably like six, seven years too late.

Speaker 3 That's the thing.

Speaker 2 Because I think the 90s. Glenn Gary Glenn Ross.
You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 1 The 90s was when Jeff and I, we would watch that show, and I can't remember which one we thought might actually be good, but you know, at some point, we're like, should we call?

Speaker 1 Like, this guy seems like he's on it. Yeah.
We don't realize it's this massive scam. Now all this stuff's getting regulated.
What was the year you forwarded?

Speaker 1 One of you forwarded the Sports Illustrated piece.

Speaker 2 I did. It was a Rick Riley piece.

Speaker 1 But what year was that? That was the early 90s.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 That was the first time I was like, wait, these guys are fraud. Like, I thought they were these characters, but I didn't know.

Speaker 2 We didn't know right from wrong. I thought, right.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, that guy must be awesome at gambling. He's getting 78%.

Speaker 2 Right. He's nailing him.

Speaker 1 Do you think we should do this now for a ringer gambling show?

Speaker 2 What's that? Just do, do like your pictures.

Speaker 1 No, just have like, maybe it's the bundo.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 We just completely sports advisors to for the money him. Call him Tony D.

Speaker 1 I'm here in Philly, guys.

Speaker 2 And Tony Dollars talking about

Speaker 2 Tony Dollars.

Speaker 1 Everyone is talking about the Texans defense.

Speaker 2 We've been selling our Ringer 107 picks and people are pissed.

Speaker 1 Craig, did you? So this is ahead of your time, this whole world. Yeah.
The 1-900 world. Do you believe that this is what we did in the 90s is call random strangers for gambling advice?

Speaker 2 Of course. I mean, it's also, I mean, it's still going on today a little bit, right? I mean, like, you got to pay for Warren Sharp's website.
You pay like however, hundreds of dollars.

Speaker 3 These guys are the original Substack.

Speaker 2 And you get your picks. Yeah.
It's still going on today.

Speaker 1 Did the sports advisors create Substack?

Speaker 1 Interesting. Well, five reasons why I would defend this movie.

Speaker 1 It's a movie about sports gambling, something that we've really enjoyed for the last 35 years for me.

Speaker 1 It's a mentor fast riser movie, CR.

Speaker 1 Shades of Wall Street, Shades of Devil's Advocate. What are some other ones like this where it's like...
And it's always too really

Speaker 3 lamb and he has to hang out with a wolf all day, you know, and then it's like the teacher becomes, the master becomes the student or vice versa. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I was getting a lot of Donnie Brasco in there because it was right there with Jorchino, right? Yeah.
Like the, you know, Johnny.

Speaker 3 It's also, I was very struck this time by, and this is a weird comparison. It reminds me a little bit of Midnight Cowboy because it is

Speaker 3 a outsider coming into New York City. who gets taken under his wing by like a real New York character.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Who's really embedded in the city and he he shows him the ways of the city, and he basically turns him into

Speaker 3 a projection of what he wants him to be.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I have those two. I have McConaughey as a just a great movie hang for movies like this.
I'm going to talk about him in a second. The sports advisors,

Speaker 1 it just brought me back. We used to, Jeff will still text me the Stu Feiner.
If it seems like it wins every week, if I win every week, it's because I do.

Speaker 1 Like we used to just love that guy.

Speaker 1 And then Pacino,

Speaker 1 the actual, like, the TV show and the info, like, it's kind of dead on. Yeah.
They did a great job with the actual show that Walter, whatever, hosts. And he's like, here he is.

Speaker 2 Walter Walter. Where was the psych system?

Speaker 1 The psych system. Let's go to him.
Let's go to this guy. And these guys would just come in.

Speaker 3 He's got the like kind of mafiosa guy who's just like, oh, clip you nuts if you don't do this.

Speaker 1 See, Sal doesn't want to admit something. Young Young Sal in college.
But he's like, someday I'm going to be on one of these shows. I know you did.

Speaker 1 I know you and Harry talked about it.

Speaker 2 Why not? They were our celebrities.

Speaker 1 What was your gimmick going to be?

Speaker 2 I probably would have come out with a cult. Yeah.
I don't know what I would have done.

Speaker 1 Roddy, Roddy, Sal.

Speaker 2 When you brought it up, like, it's like, we learned. Oh, I hope I don't screw this up for anyone.
We learned there's no Santa Claus like around six or seven, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 We learned wrestlings, not real, around 11, 12.

Speaker 2 Yeah, before that. 45.
Yeah. 45.
And then like, it seems like every five years.

Speaker 2 And then five years after that, we learn these guys don't know shit because you can't unless like they don't even pretend to have inside information.

Speaker 2 That would have made the movie so much better if anybody had any sort of like lean on anything.

Speaker 3 Hey, it's you Brandon uses the force. He's like, I know ball and I just know that these guys are going to lose.

Speaker 2 I know. Why doesn't he read any stats on there? Why isn't he like, look, the defensive line's not going to hold up.

Speaker 3 I don't want to get too far in it, but the antagonistic relationship towards analytics of this movie is one of my favorite things.

Speaker 1 This is when I always joke about the sports movie consulting thing. I would have had a lot of notes.
Oh, yeah. It's like, so Brandon's like, just, does he have ESP?

Speaker 1 What am I supposed to think of him as a character? Doesn't seem like he really watches football. No.
He just knows the teams, the matchups.

Speaker 2 Because he played. And we know if you played, Pete Rose.
should have been great at picking shirts was terrible yeah but no this guy who busts his knee out in a in a fictitious bowl game, he knows.

Speaker 2 And better than that, Pacino falls for it. Pacino's been doing this for 30 years, but you got the goods, kid.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, he was going like nine and two every week or whatever, like on his own.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. Yes.

Speaker 1 My favorite when he's showing how much football he knows, when he's telling the guy behind the counter in Vegas, and he's like, He's like, Gruden coach these guys.

Speaker 1 He knows Tim Brown loves the ball over his left shoulder. So he's going to put a corner on him and force him.

Speaker 2 I'm like, what?

Speaker 1 Tim Brown only likes catching the ball one way.

Speaker 1 What receiver in NFL history is like, you got to throw, I got to catch it like this.

Speaker 2 That's it, you would have to go as you threw it to my other shoulder. You can't catch it like this.
It's got to be, I got to be turned this way. The other, I mean,

Speaker 2 and really, I don't want to put a complete pin in this, but if anybody actually had inside information, if anybody actually had a gift, they wouldn't tell a soul. You would bet the games yourself.

Speaker 2 You don't want any stranger knowing this for $25, $50. The money gets out of whack.
We'll talk about it in a second. But you wouldn't tell anybody.

Speaker 1 Well, I think these guys also would have used that $100 down to $50, down to $25.

Speaker 1 Like that, that's how all these, that's what Riley's piece was about way back when that these guys they're just trying to narrow it down to that final thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 And the rest are going to fall by the wayside, but that final 10 will give them a bunch of money. All right, McConaughey.
We're going to talk about a lot of the gamma of this movie later.

Speaker 1 McConaughey's in a weird part of his career here from 03 to 08. He's in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, Sahara, Two for the Money,

Speaker 1 Failure to Launch, We Are Marshall, and Fool's Gold.

Speaker 3 So, he had like this initial run when he first kind of burst on the scene after days and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and all that.

Speaker 3 But, like, when he first kind of like Time to Kill was the time to kill lone star Amistad contact, like, he's working with Big Door.

Speaker 2 He's a guy. He's an A-plus lister, put up by him.

Speaker 2 Yes,

Speaker 3 and then he just kind of, I mean, Hollywood or him loses sort of the hold on the tail of what he is and what he should be doing.

Speaker 1 You just get replaced by Colin Farrell or whoever like the next young handsome guys.

Speaker 3 And it's like, you know, honestly, like some of these movies that he did that he's probably like, that was a dark period for me or that was like a fallow period for me.

Speaker 3 in retrospect wind up being like totally fine cable rewatchable kind of movies. But this is a good example of that.

Speaker 3 It's like Two for the Money is a movie where he probably is like, yeah, that wasn't exactly Dallas Buyers Club. But it's pretty enjoyable.

Speaker 2 And he goes toe-to-toe with one of the great actors in movie history.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he had hit a point. So that first year we had Kimmel's show.

Speaker 1 We're not getting McConaughey in 02 or 03 on Kimmel's show.

Speaker 1 I think he's probably too famous. Right.

Speaker 2 Right. Plus, we were doing a bit called the shirtless McConaughey.
We'd go like into the wild and like the shirtless McConaughey was spotted off the coast of the Sahara. You know, like

Speaker 1 by 05, 06, McConaughey is coming on Kimmel's show. Like, this is like, I'd love to come on.

Speaker 2 That sounds great.

Speaker 1 And then it completely flips for him all of a sudden by the Dallas Buyers Club, True Detective.

Speaker 2 When we were doing Grant Rand, it was like

Speaker 3 the McConnell.

Speaker 1 A-plus lister.

Speaker 3 Magic wake, true detective, Dallas Buyers Club sex.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he figured out, I wrote this in 2005. I don't remember writing it, but this is what I wrote.

Speaker 1 Because it felt like the moment had passed for him. Like it was like, I don't know, he's like Jameis Winston now or something.
We're like, oh man, I like that guy.

Speaker 2 Why didn't it work out for him?

Speaker 1 I wrote, why do I root for him in every movie? Is it the whole Wooderson Days and Confuse thing? Wasn't he superb in a ton of colour? Am I crazy?

Speaker 1 Doesn't it feel like his career should have been better?

Speaker 1 He's the Jimmy Jackson of Hollywood. Jimmy Jackson was an NBA player 30 years ago.
There's no real reason why his career should have turned out better, but it didn't.

Speaker 1 And now he's stuck making chick-flicks and B-minus movies and wondering where the wheels come off.

Speaker 1 Maybe his biggest problem is he's a likable presence and a solid actor to boot, but he's not a great actor. He always plays himself.
You can't really make fun of him either. So what's left?

Speaker 2 So what turned, CR? Told you, great. How did he become Makani?

Speaker 3 I think that he basically had to like, not to use a gambling term, but he had to hit rock bottom. He had to be like, I don't really want to make these kinds of movies.

Speaker 3 I don't want to tell these kinds of stories. And then he got incredibly lucky.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think Magic Mike to me is like a really turning point movie because it's also a choice for him to be the third or fourth person in a film.

Speaker 3 Like he's barely, he's briefly in that film comparatively, but he's like, the material is good. The director's good.
I think people will like me in it. And that's sort of where I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you think?

Speaker 2 So, I think if you threw this movie at him today or 10 minutes, 10 years ago or 20, he would still do it. He was, and when I interviewed him, he was close to this storyline.

Speaker 2 Like, I asked him, like, naturally, I asked him, well, what, what did you do? And how did you prepare for this? And he's like, I was in the boiler room with all these characters and I learned.

Speaker 2 But more than that, my brother was a tout. He had a tout service.
He was 27-0 famously over four weeks. and then everybody hated him as soon as he lost.

Speaker 2 Like, so it was a weird thing, but then he gets into a whole thing about he's like, you know, when you're betting these things, sometimes you know, sometimes you just know if it's a winner.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh boy, he's like, because of the intangibles, like East Coast flying to West Coast, or Brett Favre playing on a Monday after his father passes,

Speaker 2 or you know, if you just had a kid, you're gonna play sounds like he's eligible for rigor when I'm in it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was drinking the Capricorn Aid thing. So

Speaker 2 I think he would have accepted this at any time period you just mentioned.

Speaker 1 I'll say this.

Speaker 1 I think he's awesome in this movie. I think this is like as fun of his McConaughey movie performance as exists.

Speaker 3 There is, we have a category that we don't often use, which is basically, is this movie perfect for what it is?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think that you can make an argument this is.

Speaker 3 It's basically like a three-hander, a two and a half hander. It's like that doesn't get outside of its zone.
It doesn't try to be about way more than it's not.

Speaker 3 It's actually fairly serious for passages, but it's a ton of fun.

Speaker 3 And often what happens when people go up against Pacino is they have to bend the knee and they have to be like, man, this guy's eating all the scenery. I just am like a background player.

Speaker 3 Like that would be like Chris O'Donnell and Senator Woman or something like that. McConaughey is like, I have such a different pitch than this guy.

Speaker 3 that we can both be going at 10 at the same time and it's not too much.

Speaker 3 So Pacino's got all the New York energy, and McConaughey's got all of this like Texas swagger, and it actually locks together really well because, like, the movie just asks so little of you in that way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's so Kiana is in this same spot with Devil's Advocate. Kiana easily could have been in this movie playing the guy he played in hardball in this movie, right? And I don't think it's as good.

Speaker 1 Cruz, this could have been an early 90s Cruise part. There's no question

Speaker 1 actually would have been pretty good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but this

Speaker 2 is funny.

Speaker 1 Yeah. McConaughey is perfect.

Speaker 2 The only one that's Caramani. That's another good one.

Speaker 2 Vince Vaughan, but not handsome enough at that point. Like, you don't have to be a good one.

Speaker 1 I think he was the last couple years of him as leading me in. Maybe.
It's right when he does the breakup.

Speaker 2 He would have been great on this.

Speaker 1 I think Pitt could have done it at various points in his career, but it's like you need handsome, charming, charismatic. I have to believe you played football in college.
Right.

Speaker 1 I have to believe all women are possible for you during the movie. And I got to be rooting for you.
Pacino.

Speaker 1 how many re-watchables do you think this is for pacino how many movies have he double digits yeah i was gonna say 12. 14.
wow it's number two he moved out of a dead heat with de niro no way yeah

Speaker 1 do we have a lot of pacino left you think i think we well we have brasco and scarfaces left yeah uh dog days left uh-huh i think we have like five left

Speaker 2 So yeah, Pacino is two all-time now for us. Cruz has 17, Pacino at 14, De Niro at 13.
It's Denzel at 11 denzels at 12 so that's just alone 11. okay colin's worth 500.

Speaker 1 i know that that's i don't think we can get segal into double figures i looked i tried to figure it out and i just i looked at every which way we'd really have to have to bend a little bit uh pacino

Speaker 1 this is like kind of the tail end of when he could do this in a movie cr yes he's still plausibly in his 60s and so he's

Speaker 1 there's pieces of heat there's pieces of scent of a woman there's pieces of devil's advocate. He can still turn the fastball.

Speaker 2 City Hall.

Speaker 3 Like, yeah, it's just like, wind me up and go.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm not even sure who else, who else could have played Walter Abrams? It's like kind of perfect. Well, so there's using a lot of Pacino.

Speaker 3 I wanted to talk to you a little bit about this because there's a much different version of this movie that's like much more serious. And it's about addiction.
And it's also about sexual anxiety.

Speaker 3 Cause like. Part of this movie is Walter's trying to basically like have sex with other women through Brandon, right?

Speaker 3 Like, he's like setting him up with his wife, he's getting him hookers, he's always talking about how you're me 30 years ago.

Speaker 2 Brandon, my cock no longer works.

Speaker 2 I just want to sit in a chair and watch you have sex with my wife. Why are you doing this as Collinsworth? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Alpa Collinsworth.

Speaker 2 I don't know why I couldn't do the Pacino.

Speaker 1 I couldn't make my voice rasp enough.

Speaker 2 Do Puccino.

Speaker 1 Do Pacino.

Speaker 2 Not after that. Yeah.
I want to let the Collinsworth breathe a little.

Speaker 2 Uh,

Speaker 1 so he has some classic Pacino lines in here:

Speaker 1 modesty is not a virtue, it might be a vice.

Speaker 3 Might be a vice.

Speaker 1 You're selling certainty in an uncertain world.

Speaker 1 John Anthony's living lodge. He's got a direct line to God.

Speaker 1 Your clients are jumping ship, you lactose intolerant fuck.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was dependent. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then the best part of a drug is in the high. It's the moment right before you take it.
Five great Pacino wisdoms. Give us your Pacino.
I know CR's relationship with Pacino. What about you, Sal?

Speaker 2 I think he makes just everything better. I think this is probably one of the last that he could have, like a seven-year-old daughter.
You could do that, right? That's

Speaker 2 real way. I think he has like a five-year-old daughter.

Speaker 2 But to me, it's like you talk about like being cool on screen.

Speaker 2 Don Draper, the smoking, the drinking,

Speaker 2 De Niro smoking. This is going to sound stupid, but I think it's cool when he fumbles for his heart pills.
I was like, I want to be like that. I want to be the same thing.
You grab it.

Speaker 2 You snap it and you go and it's right back in. And you're good as new in like 10 seconds.

Speaker 1 It's like, I just want to stay alive for six more months to see Brandon fuck my wife.

Speaker 2 Oh, I thought for the AFC championship on the 88th. Where you can get my free game parlay on the eve of Super 40.

Speaker 1 Super XXXX.

Speaker 1 um yeah this is the tail end for pacino here because it starts he starts getting a little too old um ebert in his review was talking about how it was a little bit of a pacino renaissance here in the early 2000s coming off uh he directed i can i can feel rog in the room with us right now

Speaker 2 yeah rog was

Speaker 1 three and a half out of four you gave a good yeah this uh rod was three and a half stars he wrote You could see how Pacino doing something he's done a lot lately, having a terrific time being an actor.

Speaker 1 George C. Scott used to say, when a good actor was in the right role, you could sense the joy of performance.
Pacino has moments here when he doesn't quite click his heels. It means that positively.

Speaker 1 And he says, McConaughey and Russo are wonderful too. Yeah.
Three and a half stars from Raj. Unfortunately, the general public didn't agree.
$35 million budget made $30.5

Speaker 1 million. And when I wrote my review for page two, which I didn't remember writing, I was complimenting it, but I didn't want to be blurbed for the poster.

Speaker 1 So I just wrote a lot of words that were like basically unblurbable.

Speaker 2 It was basically like, that's funny.

Speaker 1 I knew I liked it, but I think its destiny was cable.

Speaker 1 I don't think it was quite a movie theater movie. I think it was at some point, this should just be on TNT or Cinemax for five straight years, which is what happened.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 This is, this is a kind of originalist movie for us where it's like, if you are walking by a television and Brandon Lang is getting the pretty woman montage to turn into John Anthony, you're like, all right, I got to stick around.

Speaker 2 I got 20.

Speaker 3 I got to watch him go to Wingfoot. You know, like, let's go.

Speaker 2 I love that he has to have a makeover. Like, well, how do we get this schlub?

Speaker 2 Give him a haircut.

Speaker 2 Like they took Jack Black off a Skid Row or something. Yeah.
It's like, all right, he's pretty good looking. You're fine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so what they do, they cut that. He had like some girth in the back.

Speaker 2 A little bit, yeah.

Speaker 1 Slick the hair back.

Speaker 3 Got him a couple of new suits.

Speaker 2 Test drove a car, which we don't know what happened to. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the really nice Mercedes in New York City.

Speaker 2 Talking a little bit about wine.

Speaker 2 He gets it.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Craig, any Pacino thoughts before we move on? Because we've done, I don't know how many you've produced where we've done Pacino, but probably a lot of them.

Speaker 1 I'm number two rewatchablest actor of all time right now.

Speaker 2 Well, it's funny because it's like the first experience people my age had with Pacino was like after he kind of jumped the scent of a woman shark.

Speaker 2 So it's actually weirder to go back and watch Pacino when he was like 32 and really subtle and didn't have like the crazy rashy voice.

Speaker 3 To everyone now in my generation, he's like everyone's crazy uncle as an actor sure wild-eyed yeah which i think he embraced and was like not only am i good with this i'll play this part for however many times you're just gonna give me a good check yeah i mean it's really strange to go back to the 70s stuff and the early 80s stuff and see him doing all this nuanced kind of subtle acting especially as michael and uh and then to to be like but what you'll be known for is not enough crazy just yelling yeah that's like what you're gonna do when did he make the turn what was you

Speaker 2 son I think he got incentive in the heat. Yeah, that was

Speaker 2 early 90s. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 It's funny because you watch Godfather 2,

Speaker 1 which I watch all the time. Yeah.
But the scene with

Speaker 1 the, I'm blanking on the old character.

Speaker 1 The guy that Least Draft.

Speaker 2 Oh, Hyman Roth. Yeah, Hyman Roth.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hyman Roth does that long story about Moe Green.
That man

Speaker 1 was named Mo Green.

Speaker 1 And he does that whole thing. And Pacino is just kind of watching him and playing off him and just kind of completely still.

Speaker 1 And you just 2005 Pacino. I don't know how he plays.

Speaker 3 When they attack Tahoe and he starts yelling and he's like, my house where my children live and sleep. You know, right?

Speaker 3 Like, like that's like, that was like the only sneak preview of what we were going to get in the 90s. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like this Pacino in 05 doing the Fredo can only see,

Speaker 1 can only be here. I need to know a half hour ahead of time when he visits my mother and all this stuff.
That would have been Puccino dialing it up.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Wait, I could do this for two and a half hours in this one line. All right.
Sign me up.

Speaker 2 You broke my heart, Fredo.

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Speaker 2 Look,

Speaker 1 you give me McConaughey playing quarterback in college with crazy long hair, hair extensions. We should have, if we had a hair extension person, that would have been a good look for you for this.

Speaker 2 Just to have it,

Speaker 2 yeah. Yeah, long.

Speaker 1 I don't even know where you find those, but uh,

Speaker 2 it's part of the helmet, actually. It's actually.

Speaker 3 Who do you think that was supposed like? What would that see?

Speaker 1 Like Jake Plummer?

Speaker 2 I was Jake the same. Todd Marinovich, maybe.
Yeah. He's a little nippy-ish.
I did.

Speaker 1 This isn't, doesn't fit for nitpicks or uh unanswerable, but it's something I've noticed in football movies. They love having the quarter, the plate break down and the quarterback just run.

Speaker 1 He's got to basically scramble for 30 yards. And at some point, he's running toward the middle, about to get tackled, and does this crazy spin move that always works? Yes.

Speaker 1 Has it ever worked in midlife ever? Usually the guy gets concussed.

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 1 Like if Jake Benny did that, I would have a heart attack.

Speaker 1 But in the sports movies, they do the twirl around, then they go for the goal line. They get hit by three people at the same time.

Speaker 2 Yes. Sage Rose

Speaker 2 helicopter.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but usually they don't have like a Joe Theisman-esque knee injury at the end of it.

Speaker 1 I was wondering, like, is this Jackson Dart's problem? Is he loves sports movies? And he's like, every time I watch a sports movie, this works. I just got to take on five guys at once.

Speaker 1 What would be the worst thing?

Speaker 2 Yeah, the heroes scramble. You know, it's not sexy to watch.
If the receiver makes the catch, he's the hero. The quarterback's coming.

Speaker 3 It wouldn't be cool if he just did a bunch of check downs until he got got to the end.

Speaker 2 He's diving for the pylon with no one else around. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, the play that you would do now is the Cam Ward play where you scramble out of bounds. You're going at the last minute right as you're falling out of bounds, getting hit.

Speaker 1 You chuck it into the middle of the field and the guy catches it. That'd be the realistic play now.
Probably just be a tush push or some bullshit.

Speaker 3 Well, Brandon Lane was just born too early. You know, he just needed a much more wide open offensive system.

Speaker 1 The tush push would be hilarious for a sportsman.

Speaker 2 Slow motion. Four guys on the line moving the second half earlier.

Speaker 1 Sarah's like, listen, man, you told me no tush-push jokes.

Speaker 2 I told you I'd do it with Sal. You're right.
Nothing talk about the fucking tush push. We're going to learn a division.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 I also love Walter showing a clip of the sports. I love every scene with the Sports Advisor show.
Yes. Just, I can't get enough of it.
I wish there was more.

Speaker 3 So your first thing is the football preamble.

Speaker 1 Next one I have is.

Speaker 1 Pacino's first scene with the hard sell to Brandon, followed by the Brandon figures out his character and keeps working on the tape. That whole scene's, I love it.

Speaker 3 Yes. I work.

Speaker 1 Working on his John Anthony voice.

Speaker 3 Pumping iron right before i pod.

Speaker 2 This is Chris Ryan. I'm here on the rewatchables, brother.
Welcome to the watch.

Speaker 2 The best is Vince Gilligan's nuanced portrait of a post-apocalyptic America. Let's go.

Speaker 2 They got to work backwards, right, to get him shirtless. Right.
So what do we do? There's no real training montage, but maybe if he has the come to life moment.

Speaker 2 Meanwhile, the truth is these idiots in the boiler room, there's not a sit-up between them. No, right? They all look like me.

Speaker 1 It's ridiculous. He's shirtless how many times? At least three in this movie.

Speaker 2 I think that was in his contract.

Speaker 2 I'll do it, but I got to be shirtless.

Speaker 1 Pacino's gambling rehab speech

Speaker 1 takes them to rehab and gives them the us lemons. We fuck shit up all the time on purpose because we constantly need to remind ourselves we're alive.
Gambling's not your problem.

Speaker 1 It's this fucked up need to feel something and convince yourself you exist. Do you guys actually

Speaker 1 do you ever feel that close to it?

Speaker 3 That primal feel of, I don't gamble on sports, so I was just curious.

Speaker 2 But he made it like it was losing is what is great. But that's what I'm asking.

Speaker 1 Sal and I are on the opposite end. We don't like losing.

Speaker 2 No, yeah. I like the winning part.

Speaker 2 I do too. You guys are just the best, most well-adjusted gamblers.
Yeah, we like when we win the best. We want to introduce this concept to a whole new audience where

Speaker 2 we're trying to do it through ringer 107 where all of us are 28 and 30 or whatever our records are i love that was mine too i how is it do i jump in if it's mine my i'm gonna go through all of them and then if i forgot one tell me the tv show scene where we we've what was the psych system i'll tell you do you want to know yeah what is it stats records, rankings, whether if the goalpost is tilted just a little bit, the psych system uses 42 proven indexes and to eliminate the guesswork in sports wagering.

Speaker 2 I'd use that right now. All the time.
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 It's just stats.

Speaker 2 It's just like, it's not like it's like some hidden algorithm.

Speaker 1 Do you think house practices the psych system? I think so.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I could see it.

Speaker 2 People have their models, right? Yeah. So this is like Raheem's model.
Raheem's model, the psych system. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So Raheem should call it the Raheem system.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 1 Instead of him talking about a model, he should be like, I checked out the Raheem system.

Speaker 2 I looked at this

Speaker 2 recording.

Speaker 2 I have a minus six in the raheem system so we're doing something wrong with with ringer gambling we need to we need more branding and more big big giant things we need to lead more characters you guys all have to adapt adopt a character well i don't know if you've seen raheem i think he qualifies i'd like to think jj qualifies a little less character to bundo we're trying to pull the character out tony dollars yeah tony dollars has been doing great but when you yeah when you talk about models no one ever holds you to it it's the same thing it's a cycle because it's proprietary you and i should say we have a model i i went to a wedding i did this i saw someone who goes on tv often talks about how she has a

Speaker 2 he or she has a model and uh i was like let's see what's going on oh no i can never show you i could i could tell there was no like a cooking restaurant

Speaker 1 it's fine i have symbotics for before the season that was the only model i created right my whole system for picking teams in the futures yeah well it was a joke i named it symbotics but i kind of stuck with turtle systems right?

Speaker 3 Like, I do. You and Lombardi used to have blue chips, right? It was like.

Speaker 2 Blue chip, red chip. Yeah, I have a whole ranking system I do.

Speaker 1 I have the playoff manifesto,

Speaker 1 but nothing as good as the sexy system.

Speaker 3 Do you stick to the manifesto?

Speaker 1 I try for playoffs. I try to stick.
I mean, it's funny. I've been.

Speaker 2 By then, we have no money.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 I've been violating it in real life. Like, how did we not bet on against J.J.
McCarthy and Lambo? Like, how was that one of my five picks?

Speaker 2 Well, we did the next best thing. We bet on him.
Right. We did not no we put a little i put a little on the money line yeah

Speaker 1 stupid

Speaker 1 i need the psych i needed the sex system it didn't exist we also have that chuck adler guy who's coming in he's just having an aneurysm he's from obviously the philadelphia area is he no i'm just guessing uh it wouldn't surprise me if he was tri-state area yeah

Speaker 1 maybe he might have been in task uh i i'm gonna give him preemptively the rough flohann ruby partridge over acting award that guy they're like hey chuck adler coming hot um

Speaker 1 cr why wasn't this mcconahe's first oscar his scene where the sports advisors that comes to him and he goes every qb knows the secret the key to victory is anticipation the ability to see the future and react to it yeah and just the way he makes love to the camera well because it's like he's been going so over the top as john anthony so far and then he kind of has that little kernel of like it's just you and me talking here you know yeah just the two of us let's make some bets bets together brother i was in i thought that scene could have been five minutes longer who if you're turning on sports advisors who do you find yourself most drawn to oh psych system yeah psych system

Speaker 2 completely psych's got 42 variables i want to know what he's thinking

Speaker 1 who would you have who would you have drap drafted to uh craig

Speaker 2 drifted to on the sports advisors advisors those four guys who would have been your guys you always got to be wary of the guy who's too attractive like when you look at makana you're like this guy's a snake oil salesman it's pivot man you got to go with the ugliest guy at the table that's always the move fair that's true but makana broke it down like he didn't stick to the script right and he's like this is not what like he's like i'm just i'm just gonna tell you how it is how it is and this is when the executive producer would blow up the show but pacino's like no

Speaker 2 it's always the best part is when a guy's just like they've written me this speech i'm supposed to give you but ah and pacino knows the cameras are only on on brandon and he's talking to the director he's like let it go yeah this is cold but brandon's on a heater at this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So it's my understanding that this takes place over one football season, right? Yes. So he's gone.

Speaker 2 He's hot for like five, six weeks, right? I think so. Right.
Yeah. It's probably right.

Speaker 1 And a little unrealistically hot.

Speaker 2 I mean, he has the pick nets, but you're not going 13 and 0. 10 and 0 and hit the Monday night parlor.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I have to tell a quick Sal story. Sal,

Speaker 1 when I was at ESPN in Grantland, along with CR,

Speaker 1 Sal ended up on Sports Center giving picks right and you had your what was it your best bet yeah thursday night i would go on i would give four picks and uh

Speaker 1 there you go what you're gonna say my record yeah i was like no but you had one where you you hit every week for like 11 weeks or something yeah i was 1802 yeah wow he sal hit a heater and it's onient sal anthony yeah that's right and sal and i thought this was like the most important story in sports we thought this was like the heats 27 game win streak right and sal's sal's heater and nobody cared and i'm sending angry emails to esp and pr is like you don't understand yeah he's 180 and too they're like whatever we don't care yahoo scoop yahoo wrote an article about it yeah sal was

Speaker 2 sal was deranged who was the so who was the sports area anchor you were usually doing it with it was neil everett okay it was it was great what was your sister of him uh she just caught he just got fired sally psych system

Speaker 2 but it was no it was ridiculous and i'd have one parlay one teaser and like three straight bets but and i was so mad, you're right, like we were all mad that ESPN wasn't doing anything about this.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, Yahoo is scooping you. Your competitor is scooping you.
And the executive producer called me and he's like, Look, we have to dip our toe in the water.

Speaker 2 If we keep making a big deal out of this gambling thing, we're going to lose the Monday night game. And whatever.

Speaker 2 It was different times. Little did they know.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Sal was wandering around the extended LA area just telling everybody he knew I'm 180 and 2.

Speaker 1 It was like just a dream. You're doing it.

Speaker 2 Like, what's your name? He's like, 180-2. and 2.

Speaker 1 I had a couple doing my, my goal in my column was always to go 11-0. It was always the, it was 11 playoff games.
Can you hit 11-0?

Speaker 1 And I think I had, I think I was 8-0 heading into one of the conference weekends, and it was the only thing I cared about. I thought about it all day.
I just wanted to do 11-0 once. Never happened.

Speaker 1 Now it's 13-0. It's like,

Speaker 1 I actually think that's genuinely impossible. to pick 13 playoff games against the spread.

Speaker 2 Do you

Speaker 2 ever had a reason, like anything that you thought was the most important thing in the world, and then nobody gives a shit. Yeah.
There's no feeling like it. There really isn't.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I can't even imagine. I was Liz doing the country strong rewatchables.

Speaker 1 I stand by it.

Speaker 2 That was a great. Do you think anybody could get this famous now? Is there too much gambling out there where, like, how hot would somebody need to go where they actually became a sensitive?

Speaker 3 I think it would have to be something that was more of a stunt, like they're betting a million of their own dollars every game or something like that.

Speaker 3 Where it's like, so almost watching a guy on like who wants to be a millionaire or something.

Speaker 2 There are people who go viral on Instagram and it's like they kind of do gimmicks.

Speaker 2 It's like, I'm betting the Angel Reese will miss her first shot every week for, you know, and it works for like 10 weeks in a row.

Speaker 2 But do you think anybody could genuinely get on Sports Center famous, giving their picks every week and everyone's tuning in?

Speaker 2 Or is there just too much gambling content out there now for that to happen?

Speaker 1 So here's what I think has changed. I think the margins are basically gone.

Speaker 1 And this has happened. It's almost like in baseball when like two teams knew about on base percentage and they were snapping up guys for years and years and nobody else knew.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, we'll get this guy. His on-base is 380 and he'd go for like 2 million bucks.

Speaker 1 I don't, everyone knows all the same edges now. They know all the any sort of home splits or schedule stuff or think about how much time and energy we put in all this.

Speaker 1 The only real edge now is the futures.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like the, in July and August, like trying to figure out betting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, division bets. Yeah.
looking like the Pats were a great example this year, or like a new coach.

Speaker 3 But aren't you just throwing like money into a well and hoping your wish comes true then?

Speaker 1 Is it like, yeah, you're not, you're not getting it until five months later. I think

Speaker 1 I just think the odds are always like we always talk about this. The odds are like perfect now.
They weren't perfect in the 90s. No, they're very tight.

Speaker 2 And the AI and everything, and that's they kick people off of sports betting sites because they see a pattern and it's just too hard. But like Billy Walters is a great example.

Speaker 2 He's one of like three people who's made money sports gambling in the last three decades. And he goes, he was, he was on my show for a little bit.
I was like, wow, he wants to be on the show.

Speaker 2 And he was giving pics. And I was like, you got to look at the data here.
And I was like, oh, my God. No, you need, you need an Al Pacino type giving these pics.

Speaker 2 You have to have, like, you do have to have the personality. Otherwise, it doesn't matter.
It really doesn't matter. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 1 The, the real way to do this, which just isn't fun, is to just zag against the general public.

Speaker 1 Like, we're taping this on a Monday. The obvious game this week was Saints Falcons.
We all had it in Ringer 107. It was like Saints minus one and a half.
Everyone loved the Saints.

Speaker 1 And Sal and I, we've known each other a long time. Anytime that happens, we're like, this isn't good.
Because the general public doesn't win in gambling.

Speaker 1 So, you know, like if nobody's taking the Falcons,

Speaker 1 probably just take the Falcons, but nobody wants to do that.

Speaker 2 Right. They'll post it.
Handle will even advertise it. Here's the top five bets of the week.
X, X, X.

Speaker 1 You never want to have the top five bets. Right.
No. Because the general public usually loses.

Speaker 3 It's also worth noting that what Moneyball the Book is

Speaker 3 02.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then Sloan comes around 0910.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So this is right.

Speaker 3 This is still like

Speaker 3 really at the beginning of the idea of like you could have a psych system and you're one of like a minority of people who are looking at that stuff because people really were still.

Speaker 3 I think this is the way I prefer to consume sports media is to read writing about it rather than a bunch of numbers. But like, people were like, Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 3 This guy's just got grit or momentum is swinging their way, or I feel like the weather has changed, and this is a dome team, and all the stuff that, like, you would just kind of go off of your gut rather than like TV.

Speaker 1 Manning outdoors, he never wins.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That stuff would kind of fade away.
Yeah. I think now 60% is like

Speaker 2 idea. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Now, if they, if they made the sequel, this would be like, I've hit 61% of my bets.

Speaker 2 Like, whoa, that's really high.

Speaker 2 Great job.

Speaker 1 More re-watchable stuff. The

Speaker 1 arguing about everyone's dysfunctional childhood. Yes.
Which includes Pacino saying, my father, five-foot arms like this. He had a cock like a Hebrew national.

Speaker 2 I feel like that was a Pacino. Yeah, he slipped that one in.

Speaker 3 It's worth it.

Speaker 1 Dan Gilroy, Tony Gilroy's brother

Speaker 3 wrote this movie, but I think there was some improvisation.

Speaker 1 The Armand DeSante scene. I just like when it's like this super rich guy with like this amazing, it's like the succession kind of like, here's our new character.
And they just had the greatest house.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 John Anthony hitting a million-dollar over thanks to an intern. I have that.
Brandon goes into a gambling swoon. Nothing's ever three and three, four and four.
It's always either 11-0 or 1-11.

Speaker 3 And it starts after he's asked Walter for to wet his beak a little bit. Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 Time for that. Two more.

Speaker 3 You're going to have to rip it out of a Talon.

Speaker 2 my personal pick pacino what do you want to know i'm gambling again

Speaker 1 the funniest scene in the movie and then uh

Speaker 1 the ultimate bad beat atlanta 24 new york 20.

Speaker 1 yeah the uh the hail married from the 30s somehow connecting which seems like that was an actual usfl play and they lose and It seems like everything's bleak.

Speaker 1 Did you have anything else for most of you watching?

Speaker 2 I just, I had that scene. To me, I could watch it 10 times.

Speaker 2 It's such a great device um infiltrating the gamblers anonymous meeting yeah just just so good and telling them they're all lemons by the way we should bring that word back lemon calling somebody a lemon a lemon yeah right

Speaker 2 of a person lemon of a pick and just talking about it's not you you're a lemon you can they've got great lines in that and just then handing them his card like you suck as gamblers it's not not an addiction you suck personally but if you want to lose more here's my card get my card yeah beautiful What'd you have?

Speaker 3 I had the first, the sports advisor, John Anthony's first sports advisors broadcast with the psych system and then John Anthony.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that I am on switching my pick. I think that's right.
Those two, though, I mean, this is why this movie is so re-watchable, though. It has these multiple awesome scenes in it.
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Speaker 1 Sal, what was the most 2005 thing about this movie for you?

Speaker 2 There's a lot. There's a lot.

Speaker 1 Nobu.

Speaker 2 No, Nobu is still popular.

Speaker 2 The fax machines,

Speaker 2 the fact that they allude to the internet. The internet's coming, you know, this is kind of thing.

Speaker 2 What else do we want to do?

Speaker 1 Those sports advisor shows existing.

Speaker 1 It feels like those are dead now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 John Anthony, when he's first doing his first recordings, I think it's the one after pumping iron, he goes,

Speaker 2 he gets onto the phone and he says,

Speaker 3 It's a scud attack this weekend.

Speaker 3 Desert Storm era joke. There's also a casual, this guy would never be president, Donald Trump joke about his hair.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And yes, I wonder if that was a USFL dig.
I wonder if

Speaker 2 he gave him trouble even getting rights to those or something like that. Possible.
Yeah. And Danny Trump thing.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And then just sports betting still being illegal in most states.

Speaker 2 Needing four TVs to watch four games. Yeah.
It's kind of the OG quad box. Yeah.
How about four TVs to watch one game? At one point, they right. They've just had one game.

Speaker 3 When did NFL,

Speaker 3 like, when did NFL League Pass come into being?

Speaker 2 When did you late 90s?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had it like 2000, basically, I think.

Speaker 2 The headsets, the telemarketer headsets that are the size of

Speaker 2 specialized football helmets now.

Speaker 1 I have two extras.

Speaker 1 Paul Tagubu, Commissioner, back then,

Speaker 1 banned commercials from the movie for the first week at NFL games. They wouldn't let them advertise on the NFL games.
Really?

Speaker 2 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 Now they'd be like, freaking,

Speaker 2 let's have McConnehan Puccino and the Jerry Jones's.

Speaker 2 Like, I need to whip my beak. Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 1 This is my favorite, though.

Speaker 2 The third iPad.

Speaker 2 I don't have a third one. This is it.

Speaker 1 Pacino is telling Russo what he wants to do with John Anthony, and he goes, I'm going to do this whole dot-com thing around him.

Speaker 1 I think that's the last time anyone said dot-com.

Speaker 2 That was it.

Speaker 2 It ended right there.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 at that point, dot-com's like pretty popular.

Speaker 3 Here's one thing.

Speaker 3 I looked it up a little bit and got somewhat of a better picture, but I wanted to ask you guys, because I feel like you probably, what is John Anthony's or Brandon's job when he's working in the cubicle?

Speaker 3 Like the talk to text 900 number thing?

Speaker 1 It's some sort of 900

Speaker 1 seemingly multimedia company in Vegas

Speaker 1 where you could do gambling or sex or all kinds of things.

Speaker 3 And he's trying to get people to call Jessica Simpsons like hotline.

Speaker 2 Well, that sounded great, by the way.

Speaker 2 Is that because I have a lot of friends out of work? Is that still a thing?

Speaker 2 I would love to hook them up, Jessica Simpson trivia, or whatever's going on.

Speaker 3 AI took my job, so now I host the 900-number about Jessica Simpson.

Speaker 1 Yeah, how did you tell people you had that job back then? I can't remember.

Speaker 2 Uh,

Speaker 3 I think if I was like, if I looked like Matthew McConaughey, I'd probably be like, Yeah, I'm just doing a 900 number.

Speaker 2 I'm doing great, yeah.

Speaker 1 Uh, all right, what's aged

Speaker 1 the best?

Speaker 2 Hold on.

Speaker 1 See, this new iPad I'm not using as well. So, So Al Pacino's character being based on Stu Finer.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 It's just going to age great every year for the rest of my life.

Speaker 3 And now Feiner's on the Barcelon show.

Speaker 2 Still kicking around. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Same thing. Wait, is he still? How's he doing?

Speaker 2 Oh, he's doing great. 10-0 last week.
10-0.

Speaker 2 But then, oh, and 10, it was weird.

Speaker 1 I have a bunch of wood saves. Give me your best one.

Speaker 3 Like I said before, bringing a character into New York City for the first time. It's always got like a little bit of like a Wizard of Oz thing.

Speaker 3 I really think Pacino's line, you shut your toilet when i'm talking to her

Speaker 2 nobody i've never heard somebody describe another person's mouth as a toilet yeah i really like that uh walter's take on family dysfunction and winged foot is still really hard to play apparently yeah winged foot yeah

Speaker 2 makane's pecs i think yeah

Speaker 2 pretty good look great uh

Speaker 2 Piven's pettiness. Yeah.
Right. That's never going to really, how does that move? And just the pep dogs overall Pacino.

Speaker 3 I also think that they nailed the Russo character,

Speaker 3 where it's like believable that she's with Walter, but believable that she's the right age where she kind of go between both of them.

Speaker 1 Is she?

Speaker 2 That was the director's wife? Screenwriter's awesome. Screenwriter's director.

Speaker 1 Who was the director? DJ? DJ Caruso. Probably should have mentioned that at the time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he did Eagle Eye and a bunch of other stuff.

Speaker 1 His movies definitely have a certain feel to them, but which I think work for this. I had for What's Age the Best?

Speaker 1 It's the Struggling Hairline Super Bowl between Pacino, McConaughey, and and piven wow just three guys that had a lot of issues over the years yeah um pachino has a very very very straight hairline that unrealistically straight hairline yeah this is right when the wheels really came off for it um

Speaker 1 piven playing basically jerry sykes as ari from entourage but working for a 900 hotline yeah i think he had just finished filming an entourage season he's like should i change these characters at all it no he's just ari By the way, Ari Gold would have been a better name for

Speaker 2 anything gold, anything money, anything, whatever for a tout service guy.

Speaker 1 You know, that's Craig's favorite show.

Speaker 2 Is it?

Speaker 2 Entourage? One of them. It's up there.
Right.

Speaker 1 Did you feel like this was Ari?

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly the same. I wish he was in a movie like, I wish he just played Ari in a movie every year for like the whole run of the show.

Speaker 1 I think he would at this point.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I think that might be. But then you don't see his range.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 CR, this is one of my favorites. Can't believe you didn't mention it.
Slicking back your hair as a movie identity change. Yes.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 What's better?

Speaker 3 Yeah, where it's like, who's this guy coming out of the dressing room?

Speaker 1 I'll never forget when that Miami Vice season five when Crockett got amnesia and became a bad guy and they fucking went right back.

Speaker 1 It's always either you're becoming a bad guy or you're becoming dangerous.

Speaker 3 That's just the last episode before Netflix is when we're truly just like, what else we got?

Speaker 1 I might, when we go to Netflix, I might just slick my hair back.

Speaker 2 I might just do it.

Speaker 1 I might do the Makana, grow it out in the back, do a little ponytail.

Speaker 2 That's why you got to say, all that's how you're going to get the double digits with him.

Speaker 1 Um, I want to mention for What's Age the Best and nine other categories? That guy from I think Mystic River, Kevin Chapman. Oh, yeah, one of the great that guys who's now Kevin Chapman.

Speaker 1 You've seen him in a million stuff. Dickie Barrett's friend who he used to bring to Kim's show.

Speaker 2 Right, right, right. Uh, this is my friend Kevin.

Speaker 1 He's an actor.

Speaker 1 Um, and this guy was like, Massachusetts guy. His character in this movie is named Southie.

Speaker 2 Yeah, awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just tremendous. They didn't even want to give him, like, call him Sully.

Speaker 2 Address him.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 I really like the parody portion of this, but I do.

Speaker 1 Maybe this is a what's age of the worst. I just think Pippin should have been in front of a green screen doing this psych system.
I can't believe they didn't do that. Yeah.
Let's go to Jerry Sykes.

Speaker 1 He's in Las Vegas. Jerry, what's going on there?

Speaker 3 Or like Jerry Sykes is in his math laboratory where he's cooking up red.

Speaker 1 Guys, I went to MIT. I have six of the best engineers.

Speaker 1 Bitcoin and Burger were best use of food or drink. Just rip through these quickly.
Probably the $1,000 bottle of wine.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I also just like, I think there's multiple Smith and Wolensky references in this movie.

Speaker 2 I like Pacino cleaning up whatever dessert that was. It makes me think, oh, what was that? Yeah.
Whatever that was, that looked great. Good for the.
This is a wonderful creme brulee.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to redeem my Pacino after I started out as College World.

Speaker 2 Oh, Mike, this girl.

Speaker 1 Like, this brain and land.

Speaker 2 It was an abortion, Michael.

Speaker 1 What'd you have for Grey Check Gordo, Chris?

Speaker 3 You know, I wouldn't say that this is the most cinematically mind-blowing. I didn't have it ever seen, but I did really like the introduction of Walter's character to Brandon.

Speaker 3 It's just his hand hanging out the window with a cigarette.

Speaker 3 And it's also like foreshadowing of how Walter's always watching. We haven't really talked about the fact that like midway through this movie just turns into kind of a thriller where Walter is like

Speaker 3 puppeteering Brandon's whole life and every sexual interaction he's had. Walter is paid for and he's setting him up with his wife and all this stuff.
But that's a great little character flare thing.

Speaker 1 Kid Code of Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. This movie has good music.
including Pusher Man from Curtis Mayfield.

Speaker 2 I like that.

Speaker 1 It's not unusual from Tom Jones, but it's Tom Jones, Jones, but the winner.

Speaker 1 The Monday Night Football theme in a movie just brings me so much joy. And

Speaker 1 they really go for it. It's like,

Speaker 1 I don't know if they paid or ripped it, but I loved hearing it.

Speaker 2 It's awesome. Against my wife's better judgment, we came out on our wedding night to the Fox pregame show.

Speaker 2 Did you not?

Speaker 2 Did you really? I was mad when it ended. Yeah, I got away with it.
Oh, that's amazing. We didn't even clear it.
It was good.

Speaker 1 Did Jimmy go on a run when he was doing Fox?

Speaker 2 Didn't he go on a run with

Speaker 2 upset picks? Yeah, but

Speaker 2 everything was straight up then. You couldn't pick by the spread.
You probably can't. They don't even do it now, really.
But yeah, we were 4-0 three weeks in a row there.

Speaker 2 I like for cinematic, if I could jump back, when I feel like when he was making out with her on the steps. And, you know, Pacino's watching.
There's that shot. You could add any music to that.

Speaker 2 You could add Righteous Brothers, Third Eye Blind, doesn't matter. I thought that was nice.

Speaker 1 Chess Rock World, Brock Landers award for best character name. Is it John Anthony?

Speaker 2 I think so. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 What do you have for a flex category, CR?

Speaker 3 I mean, it's, it's, I'm sorry to be predictable, but the Sean Penn, I brought my own pack in excellence in on-screen smoking goes to Pacino. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Especially because he's smoking through multiple heart attacks.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, like, if we had had this category for all the Pacino movies, he would have won each time, it would have been like when Wayne Gretzky was just winning the Art Ross Memorial Trophy year after year.

Speaker 1 Amazing. Hall of Fame, first ballot smoker.
I agree. Butch's girlfriend award for week link of the film.

Speaker 3 I like Armand DeSante as an actor, but it's a strange character to introduce, make into a huge threat, and then just kind of abandon. Yeah.
So the whole Novian thing kind of like...

Speaker 1 He pees on him and then we kind of never see him again. He's like, oh, no, he peed on him.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And he's like, I know where your family lives.

Speaker 2 And it's like, well, okay.

Speaker 3 So then what happens next? Like, did, is he, are you always in hock to this guy? Right. Because he just lost him like $8 million.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.
Yeah. That was a weird

Speaker 2 way to wrap him up. Like, is he teaching him a lesson? Is he a gangster? Is he this?

Speaker 3 He's the bad guy. And then Walter becomes the bad guy like 10 minutes later.

Speaker 2 Right. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's a better ending if

Speaker 1 they win the big game at the end?

Speaker 1 He's in the airport. He's starting to walk away and then he just gets shot in the head on cut jump style.

Speaker 2 That's definitely a better movie. Yeah.
It's just like

Speaker 2 peed on from the top.

Speaker 1 And the guy pees on him after he shoots him.

Speaker 2 I had

Speaker 2 I had the seven-year-old daughter. She sucked.
Every line forced. What was she doing? Trying to steal the scenes.

Speaker 2 No, I have to say Piven and then maybe not the him, but the character, I think. I don't think they knew what to do with him.
They did. It was just kind of lazy entourage thing.

Speaker 2 He should have sabotaged him, right?

Speaker 2 Isn't this, isn't there a sabotage thing where he pours bleach in the that might have been a great a great like antagonist for the movie if yeah you needed that so he was like kind of down the middle yeah this is his send-off i think the idea is that walter runs hot and cold with people and that so like right even the chauffeur in the beginning of the movie is like i've only walked for him for two weeks you know like right everybody seems to come in and out of his orbit but yeah yeah but then you need the talented mr ripley marge scene where she's like when dicky

Speaker 1 When he wants to be with you, it's like the sun shines on you. And when he finds someone else,

Speaker 1 the weather becomes cold. We didn't have that scene.

Speaker 2 Sykes should have started to take the opposite of Brandon's picks. That would have been the move.
That's what Walter says that at one point.

Speaker 3 Like, why don't you just get your picks and then we'll bet the opposite.

Speaker 2 That should have been Sykes' play.

Speaker 1 Can I tell you what I think happened? I think Piven had like a week between Entourage and Entourage season two.

Speaker 1 They're like, we got Jeremy. He's red hot right now.
We only have him on the set for four days.

Speaker 1 We got to figure out some reason for him to leave the movie with a half hour to go. And that was that I agree with you.
He should have been a bigger part of this movie.

Speaker 1 My weak link, I just don't like the ending

Speaker 1 with the winning the big game, saving the business. Basically,

Speaker 1 John Anthony wins his one last pick. But at the same time, we have this Renee Russo trying to save her marriage thing interspersed with the game.
And I'm like, I just care about the game.

Speaker 2 There's a comeback going on right now.

Speaker 1 Tampa's coming back or Kansas City, whoever it was. I just want to know what's happening here.

Speaker 2 And she's like,

Speaker 2 then it's like back to another.

Speaker 1 I just.

Speaker 2 Do they try to do a rocky thing there where you're trying to listen for the results, the decision, but also you have to catch their embrace and everything and you have to zigzag through that.

Speaker 1 Just didn't work. Yeah.
What's age the worst?

Speaker 3 I think guys having heart attacks at work and taking pills and then they're fine. I has been successfully medicated out of out of existence, right?

Speaker 3 Like, have you ever seen a guy have a minor cardiac event, but just take a pill and be like, oh, that was a big one.

Speaker 2 Other than my dad. That's going to be me.
I'm hoping. I'm telling you, it's cool.
Also, before the pill even reaches your stomach, it appears to have worked. It's just like almost a placebo effect.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I have

Speaker 1 this era of sports gambling as a wood stage worse just because it's gone. Yeah.
Like I'm saying it literally hasn't age well because it's a completely different era of gambling now.

Speaker 1 This was the era of having a bookie, 900 lines, over-the-top advisor shows, nothing being policed. You could fix games.
Like this era is like from seven centuries ago now,

Speaker 1 compared to where we are in 2025.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's not $200 million going through that office. There just isn't.
Like, I just, they made it like it was a tech startup. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think they were supposed to intuit that Walter's been lying about all that stuff because he's got so many mortgages out and loan shark notes and stuff.

Speaker 2 Like, how are they collecting?

Speaker 1 Well, at one point, they win one of those bets and the lady has all this money and she's counting the money. It's like, what do people drop the bets off?

Speaker 2 Yeah, why do you have all the extra money now? So that's how they do it. You're on a subscription for a year, or you do it week to week, or you do a $25 call.
You don't get a piece of their bet.

Speaker 2 Imagine trying to track down someone's bet, too. Like, that was just, you didn't need that part of it.

Speaker 1 Um, people not realizing back then that John Anthony was Brandon Lang. So, I guess this hinges on how famous Brandon Lang was.

Speaker 1 If he was like Johnny Manzel level, like a real famous QB, or even Shane Footsteps Falco,

Speaker 1 I think people would be like, yo, Brandon Lang's on that fucking Sunday sports advisor show.

Speaker 1 This is crazy.

Speaker 3 I think he's supposed to be, what, the quarterback for Nevada, right?

Speaker 1 So you think it's a lower level? It's like a mid-December movie.

Speaker 3 2000s, I did not know who the quarterback to Nevada.

Speaker 1 South definitely bet on that guy.

Speaker 2 But his name is Link, right? It's Brandon Link. Link.

Speaker 2 But the real guy. In the movie, it's Brandon Link.
The real guy is Link. Yeah.
Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't, there's a whole based on a true story thing with the real Brandon, but that guy has been debunked in so many different ways. I don't even know if we want to give him the space.
I know.

Speaker 1 This is the ultimate. This is based on a true story.
Right. I don't know how true a lot of the stories are.

Speaker 3 The screenwriter Dan Gilroy met him once at a golf course, right? That was kind of like the where the genesis came from. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, Dan Pastorini is the only ex-athlete back then that I knew that did that, right? Remember the,

Speaker 2 it was it was it Euler's quarterback, Rams, also passed away.

Speaker 2 He would do these, he was a tout, he was like one on

Speaker 2 yeah, yeah. So, other than that, though, these guys stayed away from that stuff.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 1 here's the big wood stage of worst for me: I just don't, I wrote this 20 years ago, I still don't understand it now how we ended up with this title, which I know is a rewatch most character.

Speaker 1 I don't know what two for the money means. What does it mean?

Speaker 1 Does it mean a parlay?

Speaker 1 Two for the money. What do you think it means?

Speaker 2 These two guys are in business together. I think that's it.
Two people for the money. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Isn't it one for the show? Two for the money.

Speaker 2 Three

Speaker 2 kind of, isn't that like a saying?

Speaker 1 Two for the money, two for the yeah, two for the show, three to get ready. In the column, I had the titles chasing the vague, hot streak, and laying wood.

Speaker 3 Even money line.

Speaker 2 That's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, money line is good.

Speaker 2 The spray money grab, money line, parlay kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Two for the money is just doesn't work.

Speaker 3 Being John Anthony.

Speaker 1 We definitely could have found a different title.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take a word. Where do we come up with a hot take? What do you have, CR?

Speaker 3 It's not that hot. They should remake this movie as a period piece.
I think the problem with this movie is that it doesn't imagine a different world.

Speaker 3 a world where gambling becomes legal, a world where we have it all on our phones and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 And if you went back and did it as like, this is what the wild west of sports gambling was before it became legal, I think that you would get a lot of the details to

Speaker 3 plus also, I wonder if at this point the NFL would be like, sure, go ahead, use Marvin Harrison in this.

Speaker 3 And you could have like real games that people were betting on, which probably would have grounded it more for people.

Speaker 2 Oh, I think Fandal would have been all over it. I think we would have used real uniforms and real everything.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 For sure.

Speaker 3 So I would either go back and be like, back in the day, they were the, they were like the cowboys on the range of sports gambling, like selling their picks and sometimes selling a dream that would never happen.

Speaker 3 And you could just do it in a different way. Whereas in the movie here, they're almost taking it for granted that we are like, Yeah, of course, the sports advisors,

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 1 Well, I have an announcement: we we have sold the movie rights to the Ringer 107

Speaker 2 for the money, it's called none for the money. It's just a real life story of we lose more than we win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, five, five podcasts all going under 500 during that episode.

Speaker 3 So, what is the expectation for Ringer 107 that one of you guys would be doing better than this?

Speaker 2 Maybe some,

Speaker 1 three. We thought somebody was going to be at like 60%.

Speaker 2 Personally, or fantasy show? It's the fantasy show.

Speaker 3 Who is the driver?

Speaker 2 Is it tied though? Well, we're tied for first. And our method is basically what Brandon Lang does at the end of this movie, where we just were basically flipping coins.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Two guys go up to ringer interns and just like you pick.

Speaker 2 Two for no money. I don't understand that.
Like, so, like, why did

Speaker 2 the intern get to pick it, right? Yeah. So immediately he's a fraud because everybody knows this, but they're everybody in the boiler room.
He's been, and then he loses 10 in a row after that.

Speaker 2 Like, why is everyone so connected to him?

Speaker 3 Still, I think that it's the idea likes him more after he goes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 We know you're going to turn it around.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 You love that feeling. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Do you have a hottest take or do you want me to go?

Speaker 2 Uh, no, I do. I think

Speaker 2 James Baby Doll Dixon as Pacino right there.

Speaker 1 As for the remake?

Speaker 2 Yeah, for the remake. Do it.
Guy, good luck with the Buccaneers. Call me with 50 grand.
Wire it to my subordinate, Jonah, or else go fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 Call me now.

Speaker 1 Baby doesn't gamble.

Speaker 2 I know. I know.
Vince Vaughn was my other for, but that was it.

Speaker 1 Listen, I wrote this in that column. I've said it a million times.
I'll say it again. I just want one TV show or movie where the guy just wins the whole time and then the movie ends.

Speaker 1 I don't know why we have to have the...

Speaker 1 This is, I'm supposed to escape when I watch a movie or a TV show. We always have to do the thing where it starts out great.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, my God.
Rock bottom. Three hours.

Speaker 1 How about just one where the guy wins for two hours? Pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like we have all these different shows where it's like we get to escape with, we get, we go on below below deck, we get to have a vacation for a week on the island.

Speaker 3 That was happening on Landman with the sun for a minute, where it was just like, I guess this guy's just going to hit every oil well that he digs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 Landman is our one hope.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I really miss that. I just slick back your hair, start getting winners, and that's it.
Let me go for the ride with you. My God, you went 29 and two.
That was amazing. And credits.

Speaker 2 Now I'm rich. End of movie.
Maybe there's a sequel. Maybe not.

Speaker 1 Casting what ifs, not a lot here other than

Speaker 1 Russo's husband wrote the movie and wrote it for Russo.

Speaker 3 And Puccino, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Other than that, couldn't find anything. Best That Guy Award.
There's some great candidates here.

Speaker 1 Brandon Lang's dad in the beginning was one of the bad guys in Roadhouse.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 He's the one who's like... having sex in a closet.
One of the first people Swayze

Speaker 1 fires, ends up coming back as one of the bad guys. Him him and John Doe were in the that scene yeah Geddy Watanabe is the chauffeur he's not that guy but uh you might remember him as uh

Speaker 1 from 16 candles yes and from uh gung-ho for sure

Speaker 2 and then uh ralph garmin that's ralph garmin This was a big wheel.

Speaker 1 This is, you knew, you knew Ralph Garmin.

Speaker 3 Jimmy was still at K-Rock.

Speaker 2 Ralph Garmin was the producer at K-Rock. He would do voices.
He was great. And this was a huge deal back then for him and Kevin and Bean Shaw.

Speaker 3 Do you know anything about how he like wound up in this movie? Was he going out for acting roles?

Speaker 2 Mostly voiceover stuff. Okay.
And, you know, he talked to the right people. And no gambling issue or anything.
That's it. I was jealous.

Speaker 1 Deion Waiters, would you go Piven or Chuck Adler?

Speaker 3 So I have Piven, but I also have, and I can't remember this character's name. I think it might be Tanya.

Speaker 1 The woman who comes in for one scene and flirts.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's Hammy, who slides down into McConaughey's lap and Walter wanted you to have a good day.

Speaker 2 Yeah, why didn't she come back for another scene?

Speaker 3 But she certainly does a lot with her one scene.

Speaker 1 Jamie King might be in there too as the prostitute. Yes.

Speaker 1 I think the winner is Chuck Adler. He's in for two minutes, comes in out of control and hits it.

Speaker 2 Stayed very focused, didn't care about any of this other outside stuff between Pivin and it was good.

Speaker 1 What do you have for Recasting Couch Director City?

Speaker 3 I have

Speaker 3 the I have Brandon being played by Edward Norton. So there is a version of this movie that

Speaker 3 is much darker and is much more like a psychosexual thriller about an older guy who's trying to live vicariously through his young puppet.

Speaker 1 And so it's directed by like Paul Verhoven.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And it's like Michael Douglas and Edward Norton or something. And this winds up being like a much more entertaining movie.
But there is like a lot of weird stuff going on in this movie with that.

Speaker 3 Like even the idea of him turning him into John Anthony. Yeah.
Which is kind of a porn name and just being like, yeah, you're John Anthony now.

Speaker 2 Like you're going to go out with these hookers.

Speaker 3 It's so, so, it's so strange.

Speaker 2 I'm going to sit in a chair

Speaker 2 while you have sex with my wife.

Speaker 2 John Anthony.

Speaker 2 See, I had something. Maybe this is a little off the grid.
Tracy Morgan doing McCon Hayes character.

Speaker 2 Guess what I did, Pacino? I got your wife pregnant again.

Speaker 2 I don't know. You're ready.
That's a good one.

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Speaker 1 Craig, did we take up your flex?

Speaker 2 No, not really. I wanted to point out, so we have the 4chan 3 Clap Award for the most gifable moment.
I think Pacino is the actor gif goat. I think you have

Speaker 2 Heat. You have the Great Ass.
That's a big meme out there. You have Godfather 3, Pull Me Back In is a huge one.
You have the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. What a picture.

Speaker 2 How the hell is I'm Gambling again not a gif or a meme? That might be his best one ever. The I'm gambling again.

Speaker 3 That every time somebody's team starts doing well again, you're just like, I'm back in.

Speaker 2 I can't believe it's not a thing.

Speaker 1 Maybe this podcast will.

Speaker 2 We have to start it. Yeah.
It's one of the Chino's best moments.

Speaker 1 What award would that be?

Speaker 2 It's the most giveable moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 Or it's Book About Metals.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Or Book About Metals.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. Did we have in my mailbag last week, I was saying how we were going to add

Speaker 1 the Nico Harrison award for worst decision. Was there a worst decision in this movie?

Speaker 2 I mean, letting the intern pick the game, but I guess that worked.

Speaker 3 Also, Brandon never betting his own bets.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Of course, that's it.

Speaker 2 Him in the bathroom right before he goes by panic. Has papers fucking everywhere.
It's the most stressful shit I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 He's drenched in sweat, like in the sink. They're all wet.
All of his data. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I have the Nico Harrison Award winner just quitting on Jerry Sykes.

Speaker 1 Sykes system had a couple rough weeks.

Speaker 1 There were 42 variables and I wouldn't have quit on it.

Speaker 2 I really put some time in it. And he was out of the game with no what.

Speaker 1 what.

Speaker 3 That's how Sykes did for the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 And where he winds up. He hung his own shingle.
He had to. Do you think he's like working for the Rockets? You know, like, what is he doing?

Speaker 1 I think he had like a cup of coffee on the best damn sports show, period, got fired from there. Maybe like another cup of coffee at Yahoo.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 And then, um,

Speaker 3 but does he wind up doing like the analytics for like the Buffalo Sabres or something like that? Like, does he, does he wind up ever getting into advanced statistics?

Speaker 1 Like Sloan conference?

Speaker 1 I think he's one of the guys that goes to the Sloan Conference and hopes he can run into somebody who works for a team and never had.

Speaker 2 Just looking past everyone.

Speaker 1 Half-Fast Center Research, the USFL footage, all real,

Speaker 1 all from the mid-80s, teams that were in there,

Speaker 1 the Bandits from Tampa Bay, Boston Breakers,

Speaker 1 Portland Breakers, Houston Gamblers, and the New Orleans team.

Speaker 2 Do those guys get paid? Do they get $500?

Speaker 1 They get residuals? maybe and then the phone number uh featured on walter's show was one-in-100 bet on it that was an actual uh sports advice service great all right apex mountain all three stars no

Speaker 1 jamie king maybe i don't know know what else she was and she had a moment this was like rental into the maxim era yeah it felt like she though right yeah for movies i don't remember her being in a bigger one Sports gambling movies, probably still the gambler.

Speaker 2 She was in white chicks. That might have been bigger.
Yeah. And Pearl harbor

Speaker 2 so pearl harbor was there

Speaker 1 sports gambling movies the gambler with james conn or the gambler with mark wahlberg uh

Speaker 2 can we give us both or is it i'm gambling again

Speaker 1 getting peed on in central park yeah getting pissed on by

Speaker 1 central park one 900 lines in a movie sal

Speaker 1 what about it did we have a better

Speaker 2 When is there, I mean, was Whoopi Goldberg, did she have a 900 number in Ghost? No, no.

Speaker 1 Reality Bites, it was a big part of reality bites for like 15 minutes when no router kept calling i think this might have a lot of 900 stuff yeah

Speaker 1 what was what 900 number did you call the most um

Speaker 2 well my father at uh his business paid for his phone he would work from home like once a week and it was uh it was huge that they paid for the phone and i would call like georgia championship wrestling i would call like uh Titan Sports.

Speaker 2 I remember talking to Lord Alfred Hayes. And then I would call 976-1313 to get sports, all the sports news instantly.
And then there were some 976 numbers that I'm not proud of. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When I was working at the Herald, one of the grunt jobs for like the lowest level people, which obviously I had was answering the phones.

Speaker 1 And a lot of the times it was people calling in high school games. So it would be like, situate 42, Swamp Scott 24.

Speaker 2 Like, all right, thanks.

Speaker 1 But then some people would call in. and asking for like scores for NBA games.

Speaker 2 Would you give them to them?

Speaker 1 Sometimes, yeah. Would you charge charge them? Hey, do you have a Nick Sixes score? And be like, yeah, yeah, they won 108, 100.
All right, thank you. And then hang up.

Speaker 2 You know what, though?

Speaker 3 That sounds like a pretty good job.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad.
I would call, I would call the Daily News, the front desk, the sports desk. And because like, you know, when we did fantasy, I would run these fantasy leagues.

Speaker 2 And if there was a Monday night game, you wouldn't get it until Wednesday. And so if a buddy and I were in a closed game, I want to know Tuesday.

Speaker 2 So I'd call him like, hey, can you tell me, Mark Duper, how many receiving yards? And like, four receptions, 77 yards. I'm busy, kid.
I'm like, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 Can you just tell me if you ran the ball? Did he run the ball too? It's like, I'm not dead. And then they'd hang up instantly.
So we have to explain this to Craig, who hosts my biggest family.

Speaker 2 Did you have a better country where people would just call the newspaper?

Speaker 3 Like, people used to call my dad's office at the Inquirer or my dad's desk and be like, what time is Phantom Menace playing at the Chestnut Street movie theater?

Speaker 3 And he would sometimes be like, free, you know, like you didn't have a lot going on.

Speaker 1 So you'd be like, all right, I'll i'll answer this so on the east coast usa today the monday edition heading or the tuesday edition

Speaker 1 most of the time wouldn't have the monday score so you'd have these fantasy leagues hanging in the balance and we'd have no idea what the box score was until wednesday

Speaker 1 and then somebody would have to then finish the scores and either call us and tell you the scores or mail them out

Speaker 1 but you'd have to wait till the wednesday usa today to even know what happened on monday past waivers how does that even work Well they didn't even have waivers back then.

Speaker 2 You're right. There were no waivers.
It was a little bit easier.

Speaker 1 We only had trades.

Speaker 2 Should we start the fantasy advisors now and we just advise rich people's fantasy leagues and we take 20% of their winnings? You're basically up front.

Speaker 3 You're basically talking about here is go back to like blind fantasy. So like it's fantasy with no stats, no immediate statistics.
So it's just faith in your team.

Speaker 2 It's kind of just hot. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And you don't find out until Tuesday.

Speaker 2 I mean, we drafted our fantasy league with no technology.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's what what we do next year sure it's fine i gotta be honest i'd be much happier if i didn't know until wednesday i we're in the our knockout league i was going against wandale robinson yesterday who immediately had like 18 points and i was so bummed out and it was like 10 oh 10 09 i just missed the idea of like not immediately like declining any phone number i don't know you know like which is what you do now but like yeah it would be just be fun if like somebody was just calling you and be like hey what's what's that dolphin score i I actually kind of hate checking my fantasy score throughout Sunday.

Speaker 2 I almost wish I couldn't, you know, when you that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 That's what I'm saying is let's go analog.

Speaker 2 It's kind of nice. Now you get alerts that you don't even want.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Uh, more Apex Mountain

Speaker 1 movies that play you're nobody till somebody loves you, the Dean Martin song.

Speaker 1 I think it's probably swingers for this, yeah, but it's been in a few. Piven,

Speaker 1 I think you could make a case Apex right here. It's between Entourage season one and season two.
Yeah, he's in this movie. The career's taking off.

Speaker 1 I think it's like he's a big thing in Hollywood. I think it's probably.
He won Emmys, right?

Speaker 2 For Ari Gold? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
He's done hair restoration commercials in the last three years.

Speaker 1 Movies with USFL footage.

Speaker 2 It's been a lot of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This probably leaned on the most. This is my favorite for Apex Mountain.
Movies with Pacino as a cuck.

Speaker 1 Still heat, right?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, because he comes home and he finds the guy watching

Speaker 2 TV.

Speaker 2 Is it Roy?

Speaker 1 No, no, what's Dan?

Speaker 2 Hold on, it's not Donny Brasco? That's close.

Speaker 1 Is he cucking Donny Brasco?

Speaker 2 I mean, just like

Speaker 1 you're not getting my TV, yeah,

Speaker 2 Walter.

Speaker 1 Was this the guy's name Walter and Heat?

Speaker 2 Ralph, Ralph,

Speaker 2 Ralph. You cannot watch my television.

Speaker 1 Cruiser Hanks.

Speaker 2 It's obviously. Oh, wait, I had one more Apex Mountain.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what is it? I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 Is Brandon Lang Apex Mountain for fictional football players plagued by injuries?

Speaker 3 So an injury derails a fictional football player's career. It could be Jason Street.

Speaker 1 Jason Street.

Speaker 3 Johnny Utah.

Speaker 1 I had Utah when you posited the question.

Speaker 3 Joe Pendleton.

Speaker 3 Jimmy Dix.

Speaker 2 Paul Crew, Crew, kind of more of like gotcha.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Dix was last Boy Scout. What was his injury?

Speaker 3 He just was pills and I think, yeah, a bunch of other stuff.

Speaker 1 Isn't it Johnny Utah? I guess. He seemed like he was headed to be like a top 10.

Speaker 2 Right. He's top 10 draft.

Speaker 3 He played for Ohio's.

Speaker 2 He was the fucking surfers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all the surfers recognized him. He seemed like he was like legit famous.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's like when they're like, holy shit, Johnny fucking Utah. My bad man.
Jason Street, though, was top.

Speaker 2 He was

Speaker 2 all-American.

Speaker 1 He would have been like a Div One. I mean, Johnny Utah did it.

Speaker 1 Right. Johnny Utah was already where Jason Street's.

Speaker 3 I had no idea what Johnny Utah was as a prospect coming out of high school. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Jason Street

Speaker 3 was going straight. Like, that was like, he was going to Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 You know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe don't throw that pick and then try to tackle the guy, dumbass.

Speaker 2 Cruiser Hanks.

Speaker 1 This is the most cruisy cruise performance in a while.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to figure out where he would have run in this movie, like away from Armana Sante?

Speaker 3 Yeah, running through the Central Park. Running through Central Park or running to get out of like running through the airport at some point.

Speaker 2 A Brooklyn Bridge run would have been cool. Yeah.
Yeah. They were right there.

Speaker 1 Oh, McConaughey does jog in this movie a couple of times. Cruise would have loved that.

Speaker 2 A lot of mountain bikes.

Speaker 1 Cruz is getting trained in jogging by Steve Prefontaine's uncle.

Speaker 2 He could have jogged around the hooker's table maybe a few times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Before he settled. Scorsese or Spielberg? This one's pretty easy.
Scorsese.

Speaker 1 This is a pretty interesting Scorsese movie.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

Speaker 3 A different version of the Armand DeSante character, Novian.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could talk me into Walter, too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Older, Philip Seymour. One of those guys.

Speaker 1 Pick and knits. I have a slew of them.
So if you guys want to go, I'll save mine for the end.

Speaker 2 What do you got, Sal?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 the over-under on the Super Bowl is 36.

Speaker 1 So I looked this up. There were four that were lower than that, including our favorite Super Bowl Ravens jump.
04.

Speaker 2 33.

Speaker 2 What? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Really? 33. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I looked it up from 2005 on.

Speaker 2 The lowest was 43.

Speaker 1 But that football change.

Speaker 2 2005. 05 on.
Well, that 04 was yours. I think it was like 35, 36.
But I think they could have made that a little bit. It did jump out at me, though.
Yeah. A lot.
The other thing is.

Speaker 2 The one trend they use is like Kansas City is 6-1 against division. Opponents coming off a Monday night.
It's like whatever it was, it would have spanned the decade.

Speaker 2 I don't know why anybody would have fallen for that. But yeah, just little, a million little things like that.

Speaker 3 Walter just spends a tremendous amount of time and money surveilling Brandon. And like maybe he should have just concentrated more on the picks.
On the picks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had that as well. Walter, who doesn't seem to own anything and was going bankrupt, but...

Speaker 1 was able to spend 5k on a hooker and another 2k on dinner to give brandon more confidence yeah and then played quarterback in college he's fine renting an elephant

Speaker 3 buying a camcorder. Suits.
Yeah. Cartier.

Speaker 2 Car. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's just got money.
That didn't end up either.

Speaker 2 There's one more. Sorry.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Bear with me here because there's a lot of crazy shit.

Speaker 2 But there's one great pick, right? He's got one great pick in him a week. And he goes to, he's going to Puerto Rico.
He's going to give it to that guy because that guy's going to give him however.

Speaker 2 But he wants 250K on the bank. He wants 250K.
And then,

Speaker 3 what is it? 10% of his winnings?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 yeah why what is the point of giving him 250 000 if the thousand dollar player is getting the same pick right just find that guy put him on the street have him call brandon and that's that i don't know

Speaker 2 right

Speaker 1 i do like should we start doing pick of the years

Speaker 1 House and I did that once when we weren't doing well in Ringer 107. We had a game.
It was our favorite game of the year. We went all in on it.
We were like, this is our game. And it actually won.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but you should do it for like Hornet's Pistons.

Speaker 2 This is my NBA Central Division.

Speaker 1 They can't match up with Kenippo.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've run my psych system.

Speaker 2 But they do, they fraction it. It's the afternoon game in the central division of the year.
You know,

Speaker 2 you can end up having a thousand.

Speaker 3 This is a nit slash question. I think they mentioned baseball briefly, but like, what do these guys do for the other six months of the year? Are they betting basketball?

Speaker 1 There's no basketball at all.

Speaker 3 Are they betting Dodgers games?

Speaker 2 Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're doing this in October. The World Series is happening.
There's no college football, or there is, but they don't really talk about it ever.

Speaker 3 Right. Well, Brandon comes from college football.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But then, like, he's, I think he bet college football for a while before he goes build a throw more.

Speaker 3 But I just don't understand. Like, after February, do these guys just go to Barbados and like hang out until train camp? No, it's the same.

Speaker 2 This is actually big for soccer picks, too. And like, oh, yeah.
That's right.

Speaker 3 Brandon's getting on.

Speaker 1 If Sal was the gambling advisor, he would have been like, there's not nearly enough tennis right now.

Speaker 2 November is huge in Asia.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of satellite tournaments.

Speaker 1 My picking nits include Brandon's TD run in college when he gets hurt at the end when he does the spin move. It's an amazing block in the back, doesn't get called one of the linemen.

Speaker 2 Watch it again.

Speaker 1 Like, it's just Mountain West.

Speaker 2 Can't believe they missed it.

Speaker 3 Mid-aughts, you know.

Speaker 1 Mentioned his reasons for liking Tampa over Oakland at the sports book were basically Brown only likes to catch the ball over his left shoulder and Gannon will throw three to four interceptions because of how they use their linebackers.

Speaker 1 That was it.

Speaker 1 But he did tap into the coach going against the world team thing. Why didn't he just say that? So, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Nothing I love more than a coach going against, he knows all their weaknesses and strengths.

Speaker 3 What's the chances that Brandon's the only guy who noticed that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Brandon's like

Speaker 2 the guy behind the counter who's taking thousands of bets a day. It's like, oh man, you're right.
You're right. How did we never get that?

Speaker 1 John Gruden coached the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Why didn't Brandon just bet on his own games?

Speaker 1 He's in Vegas.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We win all the time.

Speaker 3 He's living with his mom and his brother. His brother apparently stole a Thunderbird and is like souping it up.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You made Gray's Sports Almanac. Do you sell the picks? Right.
No.

Speaker 1 The cousin, maybe the... Maybe the brother needed to be like a little more in dire straits.

Speaker 3 I kind of look at whether there's more family stuff that got cut out because like the dad, the whole dad scene in the beginning, you'd think

Speaker 3 that they were going to bring him back in and he's calling brandon

Speaker 1 i don't know why john anthony needs a fancy car in new york city i'm just going to mention that also there's never any traffic when john anthony is driving never

Speaker 1 um john anthony goes 12 for 12 at one point

Speaker 1 yeah that would be

Speaker 1 like one of the great flukes of all time nobody's ever gone 12 for 12 i don't think ESPN wouldn't report it, but yeah, no,

Speaker 2 we didn't talk about Amir who

Speaker 1 doesn't really want to bet and then starts betting. And then we see him and he's got a Ferrari and girls.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Just immediately.

Speaker 1 Classic movie device. But then he loses $380,000 in one weekend.
Yeah. He's like,

Speaker 1 he's taking that bet.

Speaker 2 He's taking a $380,000.

Speaker 2 He's a drive miner. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who is he connected to? Who's just like, yeah, I can carry that?

Speaker 2 Yeah. So what was his record? I feel like he was like 60 and 4 before he went on the losing streak.

Speaker 1 And he should have added up.

Speaker 2 No one made enough money to bail themselves out of a future loss. Yeah.
They only been on the last one.

Speaker 3 No, Brandon, and Brandon gets a mirror after he's been hot in Vegas. So I think he has like two good weeks or three good weeks, and then that's when it starts.

Speaker 3 Whenever it is that Walter is like, you're going to have to rip the money out of my talons,

Speaker 3 that's when Brandon starts going.

Speaker 1 So was, I don't know if this is Nitpick or Nancy World, but was Brandon a prodigy or wasn't he?

Speaker 2 Or did he just the guy that got hot for a while? He was hot. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 3 I think he just got hot for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 And then my last one, we mentioned it before, but that move where you go from 100 to 50 to 25 and you keep, why weren't they just doing this in the movie? It's such an interesting strategy.

Speaker 1 Like he could have laid that out. And it's like, here's the science of what we do.
We get a thousand people, we narrow that down. And by the end of the day, we have 100.

Speaker 2 And those, those are the whales.

Speaker 3 No, and that would have been the coolest move. Brandon comes along and he's like, no, that's not what we're going to do.

Speaker 2 We're going to win. Yeah, we're just going to win.

Speaker 2 Exactly. He's like, this is what these guys do.
What I want you to do is be you.

Speaker 1 Sequel, prequel, prestige, TBL, Blackcaster, Untouchable. I like the prestige going backwards like a madman.
I think you were onto something with that one, CR.

Speaker 3 There's definitely just a Brandon as a rising college OC movie sequel. Yeah.
Like, because he ends the movie coaching kids football. But just watching him go up the ranks.

Speaker 1 So Makane comes back. Yeah.
Maybe after We Are Marshall, he didn't want to pursue that.

Speaker 1 Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris, Burke, Buffalo, Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Play and Bue, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley in the fight?

Speaker 3 Walter is doing Byron Mayo in this movie.

Speaker 2 He's just like Brandon, Tony,

Speaker 2 while the cat's away and the mice will play.

Speaker 2 I think Mad Dog.

Speaker 2 Mad Dog screaming it. Yeah.
YOI, DOG, TELL THE ABOUT TEXANS JAGS. If that was playing my backyard, I wouldn't draw the blinds.
We're betting Tampa Bay here.

Speaker 1 James Gum being involved, I think, would have been good.

Speaker 2 Buffalo Bill. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Tampa, Roku.

Speaker 1 Just one Oscar, who gets it.

Speaker 1 Pacino, best supporting?

Speaker 2 I don't know. Sure.
Okay.

Speaker 3 I have a probably unanswerable question

Speaker 2 for you guys.

Speaker 3 Is Monday Night Football's popularity really based on the gambling losses of betters from the weekend?

Speaker 2 See, I always thought it was Sunday night because there wasn't Sunday night football, right? And then there was, and they're like, oh,

Speaker 2 they may have stumbled upon it, but I think Sunday's when you lose. Monday is when typically the bookies collect Monday morning.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So you're not trying to like one last bet before.

Speaker 2 One last bet, I think, is Sunday night. Right.

Speaker 1 I think Sunday night is the chase because it's fresh off. You're not thinking rationally.

Speaker 3 You've just watched the Eagles Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're like,

Speaker 1 the Eagles were up 20 or nothing. I somehow lost that.

Speaker 1 I'm going to tease the Rams and the over. And you just go, did that cover it, by the way? Rams and the over? 34 to 7?

Speaker 1 34. That teased.
That probably covered.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Settle day is Monday.
Monday is like.

Speaker 1 You're spending the morning trying to figure out if you have enough finances to make it or whether you should join the Navy or take out a 30-year-old.

Speaker 2 Go to Mexico. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's on Monday. It is funny because what happened to Brad? Our friend Brad, I was just going to say, told the story.

Speaker 2 He lost the Monday night game and didn't even stick around to try to, well, because the boat was leaving Wednesday, I think. So he took over.
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 He joined the Navy for three years to avoid a bookie. You didn't know the story? No.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Tell the story quick because it's been we know it on my podcast, but not in the rewatch.

Speaker 2 We know the exact number.

Speaker 1 Tamerick Vanover.

Speaker 2 Tameric Vanover. They were.
The Florida State guy? Getting four. It was on the Chiefs.
Okay. It was on the Chiefs, getting four,

Speaker 2 up seven with two minutes left and the ball. And somehow it was a punt return to tie it.
And then in overtime, he lost by six. Okay.
I don't know the other specifics of the players.

Speaker 2 The way he tells it is so much better. And then he owed like that was.

Speaker 1 I think it was a kick return touchdown in overtime to lose the game

Speaker 1 by Vanover. Right.

Speaker 1 And he had it. He thought it was done.

Speaker 2 Thought it was the right. Getting four, winning.

Speaker 1 By the way, how many times has a kick return end a game? I mean, it's probably less than 10 times. So he loses and he disappears.
He joins the baby.

Speaker 2 How much was he down? I think it was like $4,000. But when you don't have it, you know, whatever.
It could be.

Speaker 1 He Ponzi schemed it. Yeah.
Lost, lost, and put everything like to try to win it back.

Speaker 1 93, 94 range, right?

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 1 Disappeared for three years.

Speaker 2 Holy crap. Not worth it.

Speaker 2 1,096 days. 1,096 days, Randy, on that boat.
And I was shell-shocked anytime fireworks go off. It's a great trade-off.

Speaker 1 The Van Over Game Worn jersey is not a good gift for Brad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Would you give that to him for Christmas?

Speaker 2 I love it, Randy.

Speaker 2 How quickly can you join the Navy, though? Like, doesn't it take

Speaker 2 36 hours? You have to set it up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If the bet lost, he was joining the Navy.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 My probably unanswerable question is Pacino the number one draft pick for the movie Cook draft for guys you want to play the cook.

Speaker 1 She's so good at it.

Speaker 2 So who's in the lottery here?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm trying to think of other people that would be in there.

Speaker 2 Is Hackman? Michael Douglas.

Speaker 3 I just think because he seeds so much like weird sexual like anxiety.

Speaker 1 Gere did it in the Diane Lane movie where Gere goes and kills the guy with the Christmas globe.

Speaker 2 Sure. We did that one.
I'm really

Speaker 2 unfaithful.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we did that one.

Speaker 1 It's a great one.

Speaker 2 I don't know the answer.

Speaker 2 I have one too. Well, the sunglasses indoors.
Yeah. That's in his contract.
That's good.

Speaker 3 And it's the Oakley wraparounds, too.

Speaker 2 That's the best part. Yeah, they're really good.

Speaker 2 How much did John Anthony earn? Did we figure out how much he made?

Speaker 2 10% of the winnings.

Speaker 2 The 10% came late. He wanted 10%.
So over there.

Speaker 3 He only gets $100,000 or $200,000 from like multiple million dollar wins.

Speaker 2 It was a $2 million win and he got $100,000. Yeah.
So it's 5%. That's 5%.
He wanted over the week. So you think he made $150,000 for this whole thing?

Speaker 2 More, right? It's got to be a little more. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think it's just like everything else. It's like everything is on credit.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, I think his.

Speaker 3 His apartment is paid for by Walter. The girls are paid for by Walter.
Walter's.

Speaker 1 Sounds great. Yeah.
It's like Sal's Dream Child.

Speaker 2 Sign me up. Sal waited the entire night.

Speaker 3 You You can pay me $65,000, but if you got to get everything else.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 And he did have sex with her or he didn't. With Renee Ross.

Speaker 2 They set up Walter.

Speaker 3 They do like a fake little kiss.

Speaker 2 And then it's like, oh, I know that's the story. What does Walter want? He's like kind of setting up.
Makana hate to have sex with his wife, but then he spies on his face.

Speaker 3 This is the part of the TV that's actually pretty interesting is this old guy getting kind of obsessed with like the sexual vitality.

Speaker 2 He's the sexual lemon. Yeah, he is a sex lemon.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And he's, he's betting her he's gambling her see this is when you've watched a movie for 20 years straight honestly these are the kind of things you start picking up the rush is him wondering if mcconahey is going to have sex with his wife yes that's the rush that's that's why it's so odd when you're watching it and you're like wait why is the end of this movie all about whether or not like Walter and Tony stay together.

Speaker 3 But if you go back and watch it that way, the entire movie is about Walter like replacing himself with Brandon.

Speaker 1 So maybe a problem in Ansible is is if they had Viagra in 2005.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's like, my, my cock is a rocket ship right now.

Speaker 2 I can cut diamonds.

Speaker 1 Uh, what piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie, Sal?

Speaker 2 There's so much. Um, I guess the, the,

Speaker 2 the car he's not driving. I'm not going to go with that.
Um,

Speaker 2 I'm going to go Jeremy Piven's hair.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I really love it.
If I had it, just put it on. I'd wear it every Sunday Sunday night on Guess the Lines.
Yeah, I think it'd be terrific.

Speaker 3 I same thing, I do algorithm, psych system, algorithm, psych system.

Speaker 2 The look, I'd love to get what he was looking at.

Speaker 1 I'd go Game Warren McConaughey's Sun Devil's Jersey for the opening scene, and maybe with the hair extensions. That's good, Coach Fince.
Award, best life lesson.

Speaker 1 Modesty is not a virtue, it might be a vice. Great.

Speaker 1 Hot streaks go cold, cold streaks go hot.

Speaker 1 Should we start saying that?

Speaker 2 I think a life lesson lesson is

Speaker 3 that she gives in the gambling anonymous media.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the lemon speech.

Speaker 1 What's your double featured choice, CR?

Speaker 3 Uh, I would probably go rounders now after you mentioned it because that's it's basically like

Speaker 3 even the way it opens with the voiceover and stuff like that, like it just feels very

Speaker 3 of a piece.

Speaker 1 I had Devil's Advocate. Okay, I would watch that first, followed up with Two for the Money.

Speaker 2 And imagine Walter is saved. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who won the movie? Pachino.

Speaker 1 Pachino. I had McConaughey.
Nice.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think McConaughey, because it

Speaker 2 pivoted his arc, right? Could do serious movies after that?

Speaker 1 Not really.

Speaker 3 Yeah, a couple more bad years after this.

Speaker 3 But Pacino, this is like really right in the sweet spot of like, it's super fun and hammy, but it's also like an actually pretty good character and pretty good.

Speaker 1 He won it for Ebert, too. Who won the movie for you, Craig?

Speaker 2 Pacino. The movie goes from...

Speaker 2 fine to entertaining and rewatchable because of Pacino. Like if it was just another actor doing something, I don't know if you'd revisit it as much.
But, like, like we said, Pacino is the gift goat.

Speaker 2 Like, half the things he's doing in this movie are hilarious.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like the fake heart attack in the airport.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 The Hebrew national

Speaker 2 dad's penis. Like, that's what keeps you coming back.

Speaker 2 This movie, this show, I actually, this sounds insane to say, but like, I get why this show is called The Rewatchables because upon first watch, I was like, you know, and then even just kind of going back and watching clips like yesterday before we did this, I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 2 I'm starting to like this movie a little bit more. It is something that you just kind of went for

Speaker 3 i think i thought of this movie as basically a joke for 10 years yeah yeah and then i was like you know what that movie is actually pretty good and now it's like it's i i barely needed to re-watch it for this i think mcconahey and pacino have really good chemistry i i wish

Speaker 2 i like the old versus young pairing together you know if you remade this now they should do mcconahey and glenn powler like i like seeing the the old guard and the young guard mixing together as one is leaving their prime and the other one is entering it.

Speaker 2 It's such a great combo in movies. The premise is outrageous and yet they made it work.
It really is outrageous.

Speaker 2 It was a two-hour movie for something we knew the whole time. It's luck.
Might as well flip a coin. Oh, he did flip a coin.
Look at that.

Speaker 3 I wonder if it would have been a much more popular or beloved movie if it was just about sports gambling, if it was just about sports betters. And he was like,

Speaker 3 we have a syndicate or like we pool our money to bet games together. But then this guy comes in and he's like the big dog.

Speaker 3 And I, and like, I wonder if the sports advisors touting thing made people like not understand it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It also could have been a lot bigger.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's like a tiny Wolf of Wall Street feeling to it when it's, everything starts working and you're in the office and everything's a little crazed, but it's, it's the movie stays small.

Speaker 2 They never really leave Brooklyn Heights. No.
They could have gotten bigger and the parties could have been crazy and they never really like dabbled in that, but that was an angle to go.

Speaker 3 That is actually the piece of memorabilia is the townhouse. Amazing.
That would have been awesome to have like an office in the house.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, you got the second floor where everybody's watching the games and stuff.

Speaker 1 I still think if this movie came out like in early march i think it would have done really well i'm always confused when they open movies like this during weeks when people like us would never go to the movies right like like on saturday and sunday sal's watching football he's not going to see two for the money right the only movie you ever saw during football season ever was blood diamond that time right

Speaker 2 i was full of the room

Speaker 2 yeah yeah

Speaker 2 my favorite sales not at the end throughout the entire movie yeah over and over again Also,

Speaker 2 one last nitpick. You guys are, you're, are you full of, are you 100% Italian, half Italian? No, my mother's.
You're half Italian. I'm half Italian.

Speaker 2 Brandon says Bruschetta correctly, and they correct him and say it's Bruschetta. But he's right.
It's Bruschetta. Interesting.
Right. The original pronunciation.

Speaker 1 It's become Bruschetta for some reason.

Speaker 3 All the small plates restaurants.

Speaker 1 Two for the money. Just another classic.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Pacino. Thanks to Craig and Gahal.

Speaker 1 Thanks to CR. Sal, I don't know what our next one's going to be, but it's always fun to have you on the rewatch.

Speaker 2 Three for the money. I mean, we're doing it.

Speaker 2 Back to the future. Three for the money.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Thanks, guys.