‘Best in Show’ With Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson

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Well, Joanne is here.

She's in LA for a few weeks, which means we can steal her for the Rewatchables every week.

Who had the over-under at 45-second mark for Bill mentioning that Joe is in LA?

I just mentioned she's here.

And

I sent her make a list of Rewatchables movies, and she mentioned a few of them.

One of them, which is Best of Show, Best in Show, a movie that

we all dearly, dearly love.

Well, because we're doing White Lotus together, we might as well do Best in Show, which has a couple White Lotus stars in it.

And 25-year anniversary, right?

Is that this year?

The movie came out in 2000.

Look at that.

Great point.

Wonderful.

Coming up next.

That goal is that Best in Show ribbon.

Actually, poodle means puddle in German.

You want your busy bee?

Come on, get your busy bee.

She doesn't get into it.

She's got to flip out.

It's not in here.

You left it at the hotel.

Go to the hotel and get busy, beef.

That's my favorite.

The miniature schnauser.

You'd think they'd want to breed them bigger, wouldn't you?

Like grapefruits or watermelons.

Don't look at the fathead losers or freaks.

You look at me.

He went after her like she's made out of ham.

All right, so I don't know what it says that we've done two rewatchables with Joanna and they've been crash and best in show.

That sounds that's my brand, I think.

It sounds right to me.

Okay, then we've got to go like some sort of sci-fi or

Marvel or something.

And then you would have to watch a sci-fi or Marvel movie.

I really liked Iron Man.

You already know that one.

You did.

The Mockumentary.

The three best mockumentary movies of all time.

No, we need species.

Sheesh.

What do you mean?

Oh, species.

Species.

The mockumentary.

Spinal Tap, Bested Show, and Borat

have to be in the Mount Rushmore if you're doing it.

I think those three have to be in.

And then the fourth one is kind of open, depending.

Well, are you keeping it to movies only?

Because otherwise, obviously, it would be the office.

No, movies only.

Movies only.

I think those three all have to be in.

I think I really like Waiting for Guffman and and a mouse.

I would have Guffman as my fourth.

I think so, too.

I would put Guffman in there.

Some people would throw Pop Star in there.

Some people would do a little Bruno, but I would have Guffman as the fourth.

But Best in Show,

which came out in 2000, right around the time when things would come out and then immediately go on DVD, and you can watch them over and over again.

And this movie, you just jump into, and it's great.

And Mal, yeah, dogs.

I love an animal.

On top of the comedy, dogs.

Lots of different dogs.

Here's some things I love.

I love to laugh.

Uh-huh.

I love cinema and I love an animal.

It just absolutely has it all.

Wonderful.

I was going to do this later, but

what's your favorite dog out of all the dogs?

I'm ready to do this now and just completely blow up the structure of the pod.

Great.

Let's go rogue.

I really am fond of Winky.

It's hard not to be fond of Winky.

I love a terror,

but I feel the pull of Hubert.

Winky was a Norwich terror terrier, just for the...

Yeah.

You're going to go to

Joshua.

Short legs.

It looks kind of like a hedgehog.

Honestly, this is like of the like star dogs in this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's really between Hubert and Winky, right?

You don't want a Shih Tzu.

Yeah.

You don't want Raphson.

Raphsky is, frankly, the villain of the movie.

Yeah.

And you don't want

Beatrice.

No.

I feel tenderly toward Beatrice, and I think that none of this is Beatrice's fault.

It's all obviously the Swans.

the two best characters in the history of film.

But do you think Beatrice landed at a better home?

Yeah, Yeah, that was one of my unanswerable questions for later.

I'm like, what is the rest of Beatrice's life like Beatrice?

Took her to rat on a farm?

No.

One wheel drive?

No.

That's what my parents did when I was six.

Did they?

Got a dog named Barney that was just the meanest, angriest puppy.

No.

And then one day they were like, we have to bring Barney to see his parents in the farm never came back.

Barney found a good home.

I can't believe they actually used the farm.

I felt for it.

I was like, oh, man.

When did you find out?

Is he happier in the farm?

They told me when when i was like 16 and you're like wow we took barney back and they probably put him down because he was an absolute sociopath i thought we were here to laugh today

this is horrible

sorry uh uh my answer is hubert the bloodhound yeah he's great every time i watch this movie it makes me want to have a bloodhound and i guess they drool a lot of drool flopper pusses as they call them in the face and they're kind of put on earth to do certain things then they're not to live in la and just be in somebody's house would be a waste of a bloodhound you would have to move to pine nut north carolina That's true.

My wife is a big play with the dog's ears person.

And the bloodhound, it's like that's the number one set of ears you would get to play with.

Yes, absolutely.

Since I am more of a cat person than I am a dog person, I like a small dog that sort of acts kind of cat-like.

But there is something to be said for a huge dog that, like, instead of petting them, you like pat them.

Right.

And that's that's what they do for Hubert in this.

It's a lot of like heavy patting on the dog, and the dog seems to love it.

Good personality.

He's just mellow.

His face squishes.

I love when Carlin's moving his face around.

He's going to do Shot Gordo.

His face wrinkles.

He can say macadamia nut.

Exactly.

He can communicate telepathically.

That is the most scene I've ever felt in a film when Harlan Pepper

is just like, yeah, my dog can talk.

Yeah.

Like we have a conversation.

Of course, we have conversations.

He understands.

Yeah, he understands.

He can communicate.

He's trying to convey a deep, meaningful truth.

That's how I feel about my cat, Halo.

That's how you feel about your cat bug.

It's true.

What do I feel about all your dogs?

Do you talk to your dogs?

You talk to Marf.

Deep relationships with my dogs.

One of the things I like about this movie was it was pretty early on

pet people are great and weird.

The internet was in the early stages.

It was one of those things, like I especially saw it with my dad and my stepmother.

My stepmother, they were getting golden retrievers since the mid-80s.

They gave them human names.

They treated them like kids.

They had birthday parties for them.

All the stuff Mallory does.

They just got a new puppy.

It had to have an IE human name because that's what the other seven golden retrievers they've had over 40 years have.

And my stepmother's just super weird.

Like she's

talking with the dogs, makes out with the dogs.

You know, not make out, but like the dogs just licking your face.

What about clothing for the dog?

No, that's that's the only thing

they don't do that.

Even for like talks to the dogs out of the window.

They morph into the dogs.

And I was always like, man, my stepmother, I love her, but she's really weird with the dogs.

But now you do that.

You see a movie like this.

You're like, yeah.

You maintain an Instagram in the voice of your dog.

Murph.

Yeah.

He's become more threatening.

Well, he's hilarious.

Yeah, I grew up green.

He's got a lot of comedy in that dog.

What about people who have like one breed of dog that they love and all the decor in their house?

I knew a Scotty dog person.

I mean, this is where everything was Scotty Dog.

They did have a Winky in the mailbox.

They've got all the teachers.

They've got Winky on his hat, which like that's a great hat.

But you've never dogged it up, though.

We had a dog briefly when I was like very young.

Um, but yeah, I love all animals.

I'm not like a dog versus cat, but I am a, I am a cat lover.

I've had two cats in my life.

You're a one relationship with a pet.

Yeah, I give it all I have to give.

As you guys know, I have nothing left for anyone else in my life, including my husband.

It all goes to Halo.

Yeah.

That's it.

You guys get a little bit.

Adam's got nothing.

We've actually had ringer high-level conversations without Mal and them

strategy planning for if anything ever happened to Halo,

what would happen to Mal?

Like just what would happen?

And we honestly don't know and she doesn't know either.

I don't that's how I hope to never find out.

I don't ever want to know.

I hope to never find out.

I don't ever want to know either.

I don't ever want to know.

How old's Halo now?

16.

He's 15 and a half and she's still great.

We were a cat family growing up, but when I went to college, my parents bought a dog to like replace me, right?

And it was a show dog, a Portuguese water dog show dog.

Oh my God.

My mom became like a showdog person.

What?

Like a handler?

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

I did not know that you were going to have this whole perspective.

Not as a career, but like she handled the family's dog.

Yeah.

The Portuguese water dog.

Yeah.

I don't know what a Portuguese water dog is.

Do you?

They're like a heartier poodle.

I'm both with them.

Yeah.

Oh, Barack Obama had a

water dogs.

Yeah.

How wonderful.

The one, um, well, I mean, not the replacing part.

Not the like

bye.

We got a dog, you know.

The one I've always been fascinated by that's always in the dog shows is the border collie,

who which i'm really surprised they didn't have one in best of show best in show i keep calling it best of show for some reason

uh best in show um

best of show too uh best in show because because of all the companies they're good at collie can do yeah they're super smart and they're pretty hyper and we looked into getting one once and uh

it's just cute it's a lot Like they they're ready to go.

They're ready to like, yo, let's go outside.

You got to throw me a ball for like an hour.

Let's do this.

So that's why I think a lot of them go in.

But anyway, you know what a cat does?

It's like, you're reading a book.

Let me sit in your lap.

Yeah.

Oh, no.

The cat goes, I might sit in your lap.

No.

No.

I might.

Some will earn that love and it will be a little bit more.

No, but that's your photo, though.

Some cats don't want to sit in your lap.

Sure.

They're discerning.

Yeah.

It makes it feel all the better.

Dogs are.

Dogs have low self-esteem and they just want to know what you're doing at all times.

They're just available.

So they're like, can we do it with you?

Cats are like, you're on my terms.

I'll decide when, how this relationship's going to go.

Yeah.

Anyway, the mockumentary.

Yeah.

Christopher Guest said, we did an oral history about Best in the show.

I know, I read it.

2000.

2020, which I don't remember because, as you know, the vaccine, I don't remember anything from 2020.

I know that this is the thing you started saying on the podcast.

Don't remember it.

Yeah.

Don't remember anything that happened that year.

But Christopher Guest said

his mockumentary is about people who don't see themselves very clearly.

The audience can see something happen that they don't see.

They obviously take what they do very seriously, whether it's folk music, dog show, whatever.

The world is right.

And at the core of all this, when you see characters Eugene and Catherine play the

Cookie and Jerry Fleck, icons.

It's pretty sad.

You know, most of it's sad, actually, if you look at it.

So he's fascinated.

And these people are...

kind of losers, but they're lovable.

And there's a lot of comedy that could come out of this.

And he did this for four movies.

They're caricatures.

They're heightened versions of a thing that is true, right?

Do you think Christopher Guest should make a movie about podcasters?

Yes,

that would be

great.

I think there's too many podcasters.

The thing with the dog show world is it is such a limited, weird world.

And that in the last 25 years, the Westminster, I think, became a bigger cable.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And you watch and you're like, man, these people seem weird.

But there's like specific strains of podcaster that would be really fun to sort of explore on a deeper level.

Yeah, you could have like a guy, for example, on like the true crime podcast.

Sports guy.

Yeah.

That'd be great.

Okay.

Should we make

it?

He also said

he talks about the connection he makes with music and improvising because he was a big musician.

I look at this as a band with great musicians.

I mean, everyone has to be able to hold up their part.

You cannot have a weak link in that.

The whole thing falls apart.

So he's really careful about who's in these movies.

The sad thing for me is that there aren't more of them.

And some of them have worked better than others, but I almost don't know why it ended.

Something that like Eugene Levy said in an interview is because he co-wrote this and

the best stuff Eugene Levy also worked on.

And he said sort of it felt rote to him after a while, like they had sort of done it and he didn't want to wear it out.

So he didn't want to do it anymore.

But like, I feel like I would have a bottomless appetite for this.

At the same time, I didn't think Mascotts was great, you know, and For Your Consideration was okay.

Yeah, it wasn't.

Maybe so maybe it petered out.

You know, so I hope that they do feel like the moment arrives when they're ready to return.

It's one of those things where you crave more, you want more because you love the thing so much, but the logical part of your brain kind of acknowledges that there's there's value in discretion.

Can I give you another theory?

Let's do it.

I think Larry David and Christopher Guest were more on each other's corner than people realized.

And Kirb kind of became the TV outlet of this kind of stuff.

And it was more built around Larry's universe.

But all the characters and the way they structured that show, the outline was a little deeper, but it was a lot of improv.

And it was a lot of people like, you're in this situation.

This happens.

And a lot of the recurring characters, like Richard Lewis was basically the Eugene Levy, right?

Jeff Garland is whoever.

And so he would have his eight to ten people.

year after year and then J.B.

Smoove entered the cast.

And I just feel like that was kind of the cousin of this

movie kerb is a good point but as mal mentioned there's the office both the uk version the american version and then like parks and recreation like the whole like sherverse greg daniels like all that sort of stuff bites off of this a bit as well and the british office was just a year after yeah best in show right so then it became like

the way that people were making the things that became the monoculture.

When they did the office, like they had a 16-page outline for this movie, and then they just kind of went nuts with it.

Like they didn't, they don't do TV shows like that.

My favorite thing that I learned from the great uh ringer oral history that came out in 2020 a year that i do remember despite having the vaccine

um was i in la that year i remember

what happened the um that this was like uh two things i want to say one is that this was probably Fred Willard's last interview he ever gave before he died.

And so there's like a lot of tribute to Fred Willard inside of that oral history that's really, because he had like just passed away when it was published.

But also

the process that you learn about how Christopher Guest does this, that they shoot it, shot it in 25 days and then he edits it for a year.

Right.

60 hours, right?

That's amazing.

That's incredible.

Even beyond how he they write down every single scene and every single bit and they put it all structurally and then they just start chipping away at it like it's a jigsaw puzzle.

Yeah.

It's really interesting.

Yeah.

And they they know they're going to have to lose a lot of good stuff.

Yeah.

It's the opposite of our strategy where we just have long podcasts and we don't edit anything.

Is that a shot at House of Art?

It's a shot at all of our pods, including this one.

We don't do any editing.

Chris forgets slaving away for a year to get a 90-minute movie.

And it probably could have been like there's this whole, there's a whole Parker posy, just gets stoned.

Yeah.

Yeah, the bills and the weed.

Yeah, the weed.

I kind of want that cut, honestly.

And then

you have it on DVD.

Are there like a lot of good outtakes that are on this?

No.

I feel like he, and I don't know this to be true, but what I've deduced is that he's maybe a like we do it all yeah we get the 60 hours the however long we spend the eight months yeah and then the we have whittled the marble into its perfect form and you don't get to see the dust the marble dust there's a lot of now there's a lot of uh movie makers who have this philosophy

that they they're like look this is the finished product if i offer you stuff we didn't decide should be in the movie it's going to taint how you see the movie and there's a reason it's not in the movie yeah so just watch this what do you think of that that compared to like the Ridley Scott?

Here's my director's cut.

As you know, my theory is 99% of the time scenes are deleted for a reason.

Yeah.

Very rarely do you get like the boogeynight situation where there's like six or seven like awesome, awesome deleted scenes.

We're like, oh, fuck.

That would have been awesome if that was in the movie.

I think the better the filmmaker is, probably the better their content is.

Stuff like this, I'm sure they have another three hours.

There was an alternate Anchorman movie.

I think Anchorman 2.

There was a whole entire alternate movie of all the takes they had that you can buy that when you get the dvd there's a second version of it so do you have is there a like a director's cut that you do swear by

there's a couple

blade runner boogie nights is is probably the the standard for me okay yeah yeah there's some good like there there was some interesting pulp fiction stuff that they cut yeah wasn't mastered the same way but um

you know but for the most part it's deleted for a reason Comedies, you'll see like the outtakes are really funny, like, they'll have those.

Like, Tommy Boy has really good outtakes.

They're movies, they're not necessarily deleted scenes, but their whole life is cracking each other up.

Yeah, and I think this had a lot of that too.

Oh, I'm sure.

Oh my God, can I imagine?

Guest said he got the idea because he was walking his dog near his house, and it was a rescue dog.

And he said, A woman with a pure breed of some sort came up to me and said, In a fashion, what is that?

And he said, It's my dog.

He's a mix of this and that.

And her expression was one of, not even that, it's not acceptable.

Basically, that's an awful thing to have happened in the world.

I was struck by how bizarre it was.

And there we go.

Like the

kind of superiority of the pure breed people.

Yeah, of course.

And then he just became fascinated by the dog show world and we were off.

I love to adopt.

I believe in adopting.

We adopted Halo.

We rescued him.

What I do always think, though, that it can stray into blaming the animal for a thing that is not the animal's fault.

Yeah.

But the people, it's obviously a very very rich satirical text here to mine

we we we had two rescues in a row and then murph was yeah we got from somebody yeah because i was tired of the body language and he's the two rescues he's definitely the best behaved of all and he turned out to be worse behaved than both rescue dogs my parents also bred uh the dog and they had like to replace you

yeah the dog that replaced me also they like

did puppies and sold them and stuff like that.

So Levy said much wider appeal for this movie than the other ones they did because, quote, people just love dogs, which makes me wonder.

Sure.

Because we were always talking about, should we have a dog month on the rewatchables?

There's just not enough dog movies.

You'd have to go into the Marley and me, like kind of area.

Muscle dogs.

But it feels like there should be one that comes out every year.

Sure.

I've got to call the Airbud, you know, complete work.

Dog's purpose.

Big

Simmons family has a lot of fans.

When you made me watch The Art of Racing in the Rain.

Another good one.

Yeah.

You have to watch this tonight because it's going to come up on rewatchables tomorrow i believe it was when we were doing draft day and then it did not come up but i did watch homeward bound incredible journey oh i used to watch homeward bound like every the one with paul walker is good snow is it snow dogs snow dogs one of those that one i've not seen that is it worth checking out yeah it's weird that netflix's algorithm hasn't discovered this yet that people just like dogs man they're gonna go in a huge dog somebody is being served a dog's homework eight below is the is the paul walker eight below is but but snow dogs is cuba gooding that one was good too yeah that one's good too see See?

A lot of good dog movies.

Well, you can definitely do a month on the rewatchables, even though you're doing best in show right now.

Look at that.

Great news.

This is your favorite one of all the Chris Guests.

Not even close.

This is my favorite comedy period.

What's your favorite movie?

This is one of my five favorite movies of all time.

What is your single favorite thing about it?

Like a moment?

Everything.

Your single favorite thing about Best in Show.

My favorite thing about it is the absurdity, like that heightened quality of capturing something that seems simultaneously impossible and yet really true to a certain type of life.

And that is Christopher Guest's genius, obviously.

If you made me drill down beyond it, I would say, so my dad loves Christopher Guest.

Like Christopher Guest's bot Dylan Impression is probably my dad's like platonic ideal of comedy.

We saw this together.

We watched all of the Christopher Guest movies together.

I don't know that the Rubin household has laughed in a heartier and more fervent fashion than watching Cookie Fleck try to walk.

Try to walk.

The limp.

It might be the hardest I have ever.

I don't know how she did it.

It's a great athlete.

Maybe she just said that.

She's done it something her like dad used to do.

It's like a funny walk her dad used to do, and they all learned how to do it.

And it's, I mean, Busy Bee is a close second.

Like, Busy Bee is just a recurring bit of comedy in our house after the movie.

I just, I love it.

What would be your number one favorite thing about this movie?

This is not my favorite Chris Bergest movies.

I think

Waiting for Guffman is my favorite just because I did a lot of it.

I really like Guffman, too.

Plus, it was first and he was so original.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My favorite thing about this is I like that it's as much a relationship movie as it is.

Yeah.

You know, because we're like checking in all these people.

We're like, are they going to be okay?

Yeah.

After all this, after everything that happens here, is everything going to be okay?

And it is surprising.

What about you?

What's your favorite thing?

I have two.

I think Higgins and McKeon are so are the.

I can't believe how much joy I get from every moment.

Higgins

is so good.

If you only saw this movie and you knew nothing, you would think Higgins went on to be one of the biggest stars in the entire world.

I should have.

Like, he's like, oh, this guy was on SNL for nine years, right?

It's like, no, not really.

He was played David Letterman in a movie, did some other stuff, and was a character actor.

He's so

every single split second he's in, he's just like alive.

And those guys are so good together.

McKean had some quote: like, they figured out, like,

he was the string, and Higgins was the balloon, and that's how they kind of did it.

And it was like, that's good of him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, that Fred Willard is just so fucking funny.

Like, you can watch this movie 20 times, and he, like, I hear that.

He might be my favorite thing, actually.

It's hard to pick.

When Cookie's out there, he's like, She looks familiar.

Like, he's just got, he's just sliding stuff.

He's the single best recurring through line of the movie.

That was the

other thing that kills me.

It's so good.

That was the other thing that I thought was so impressive when I read that ringer post was that they were looking at nothing when they were doing all of that commentary, that they recorded all the commentary stuff in one day.

Yeah.

And at the end, the whole arena was empty.

And it was just Christopher Guest describing what they would be looking at at any given moment.

And then...

So we should talk about that because the English guy was like the straight man that they told him

to study as much stuff as possible.

Trevor Burrus, Jim Pittock as the straight man.

He was only there for one day for the shoot.

He had to like film everything.

Fred Mullen is amazing, but re-watching it, I was just like, I was watching Jim the whole time because it was just like his just micro-escalation of frustration and annoyance masked in like British politeness

and like the camera's on, so I have to behave sort of thing.

I thought was incredible.

It's the highlight of Fred's career, and he had a really fun career, but I think this would be the first time.

I mean, he was parroting this parody on The bachelor yeah you know until months before his death like this is just such an iconic i i don't know if this is true but i feel like if you asked 100 people what's your favorite part of best in show the majority of them would say fred willard probably like that's like the right that emerged and transcended the movie in a way buff yeah i agree and it's

also when did when did dodgeball come out just like a couple years later yeah just like like so just like thinking about the the the color commentary comedy bit in both of those movies i think really had a lot of mileage.

Also, it made more sense than 2000 because there really were announcers, like at least in the vicinity of this guy, like doing baseball games and

football games where you're just like, man, is this guy drunk?

What's happening to this guy?

Good way to judge a woman.

Have her run away?

He's like, I'm used to that.

I'm more used to them running away.

The

Chris Guest collection.

Yeah.

Which is all these movies.

But I went back with him.

I didn't really know him until

I didn't see Spinal Tap till high school.

But the first time I saw him was he was on SNL for a year with Martin Short and Billy Crystal.

And he was in when they loaded the cast, they did like the Yankees.

Murderer's Row.

And he did

his two best things was he was on Jackie Rogers Jr.

$100,000 Jackpot Watt.

He played Rahib.

which was like just this crazy character that was hilarious.

But then they did the one, the synchronized swimmers with him and Martin Short.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was basically

a short version of one of these movies where it was like these two male synchronized swimmers, but Martin Short wasn't a strong swimmer and he had to wear a life vest and they were doing the routines.

And it was just like, I'd never seen anything like that.

So then Spinal Tap was a big 80s high school movie.

Yeah.

I love it.

And it was one of those that nobody saw then in the theater.

It was like a belated on cable.

I was like, what's this?

And it just all of a sudden became a classic.

That's a movie that I was quoting for years before I saw it.

You know what I mean?

Like it was just in the proto-meme.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

And then, of course, Princess Bride, he kills in Prince's Bride.

Yeah.

But then McKeon ended up on SNL for replacing Phil Hartman, and it did, it wasn't, it just wasn't good.

I don't know what it was.

It wasn't the right thing for him.

Just wasn't the right thing for him.

Yeah.

So then this is a big comeback for him.

Movie was written by Gustin Levy as

Levy, as we mentioned.

10.8 million budget, made 20 million.

Roger Ebert, three and a half stars.

Come on, Rod.

Rodge, the fuck, man.

A wickedly funny mockumentary.

He did say that.

Not enough character?

Built around the infrared.

Well, not every movie can be crash.

Robert, Roger Ebert's favorite movie.

He did that for?

Yeah, he did.

It was his favorite movie of that year, is what he said.

He did say the movie is consistently just plain funny and sometimes ascends to a kind of crazed genius.

Agreed.

I would say the whole entire thing, all 90 minutes, crazed genius.

To me, this is a four-star.

This is a four-star.

The first time I saw it, I was like, this movie's in my life now.

No question.

It was an immediate DVD purchase.

Yeah, absolutely.

I hadn't seen it for a couple years.

And

I watched it twice in the last week, and I was just fucking laughing.

And I was laughing at different things during the two viewings.

That was what was surprising.

Anyway.

It's a tough one for rewatchables because every single scene is rewatchable.

I know.

We'll take a break and then we're going to do rewatchable scenes.

This is tough.

Really tough.

I think I structured this correctly, but I also have too many already.

This is actually, this is the only thing that's easy for me.

yeah.

You don't have to rewatchable scenes?

You didn't write every down, every single scene.

I started to be more disciplined as I got further into the film.

Well, so we start here.

Yeah.

The opening meet and greet, because we get Hamilton and Megan Therapy, but then we go right to Jerry and Cookie Fleck.

Yes.

So I'm going to combine those two.

Okay.

And got myself in a position that wasn't

very easy for me emotionally.

It's called the Congress of a Cow,

where the woman is bent over, the hands are on the floor, and the man is behind.

What did she do when she saw you?

She just stood there staring at us.

She didn't say anything, didn't say a word.

She was doing the Congress of the Cow?

Congress of the Cow.

I got myself in a position that wasn't very easy for me emotionally.

It's called the Congress of the Cow.

Did you look up the Congress of the Cow?

Not on my work computer.

Okay, but you did look it up.

She describes it where

the woman is bent over, the hands are on the floor, and the man is behind.

I will just say right now, I don't know if I'm picking it for most rewatchable scene.

I think this is in the running for best opening scene of a movie ever.

It's pretty well, the belated shot to the dog.

Yeah, you think they're talking, even though you know the movie's about dogs, you think they are talking about a human child who has seen and been scarred by watching them have sex, and then they pan to their sad dog on her chase

at therapy.

Super confluent.

Wine rimmer.

Wine murmur.

Wine murmur.

I don't know how to pronounce that.

Wine murmur, even though they say it most of the times in the movie.

Poor Beatrice.

But then we go right to Jerry and Cookie Fleck.

This is iconic.

Who was very popular back then?

Dozens of boyfriends.

Hundreds.

No, hundreds.

Hundreds.

Yeah.

She was very popular back then.

She had dozens of boyfriends.

Hundreds.

Hundreds.

Yeah, hundreds.

I did not know that.

Hundreds.

Well,

not that I didn't have a reputation myself, because I was

considered

by some

to be quite the Casanova myself back at Ponce De Leon Junior.

Hundreds.

It's the pandown to the two left feet.

No, but you wait.

I was considered to be quite the Casanova myself when I cut to the ugliest picture possible.

With him with the eyes crowned.

Oh my God.

It's great.

He looks like Austin Powers in that picture.

Two left feet, base cotton loopy.

I don't know how you come up with two left feet.

I don't know how much, how stoned do you need to be?

Like what

do you get there?

That is actually a great one to drill down on in terms of their creative process, how much is structured and known in advance and how much is improv because

I want you to believe they know that because they're working toward Jerry's gonna have to see the handler.

And he's gonna have to, he's gonna have to do that little loop to turn Winky around at the end.

They said that.

But still.

They said that they wrote complex backstories for all of them.

So even though they're improving this movie, they have like the the full backstory.

They knew exactly what it was like when Cookie and Bulge fucked on the roller coaster.

They knew all of that.

Bulge was the roller coaster.

Yeah, girl.

Cookie Googleman?

I love working with you.

Cookie Googleman.

I have meeting Scott and Stephan and then right to Leslie and Sherry where we get there in the, they're in the...

grocery store of the meat market.

Having one of those pepperoni sticks out, I just want to hold it.

He's just coming out of the the gates on fire.

You can take the membranes off.

He was a wild man on campus on a Friday night.

I'd have three Saturday nights and go home.

And then the photo holds it.

Another flash to a great photo.

Yeah.

Sensational.

I don't think there's a single second where they're not hilarious in this movie.

Even when they're like decorating their hotel room with the

thing they can rock their quilts.

He's like quietly hammering a quilt into a hotel room.

And he's got his little bleach tips and like a little ponytail in his friend.

He's doing like his.

but then we go right to leslie ward cabot doing a joe biden impersonation next to jennifer coolidge wow

um we could not talk or talk forever and still find things to not talk about uh we both love soup he eventually became blue in old school three years later this was a what a run for him this is like a huge moment for Jennifer Coolidge comedian, right?

Like because she had already done American Pie, but like

this was a completely different mode and level for her.

She's incredible in this.

And everyone always says she was like during the SNL 50 stuff, I think she was one of the people that auditioned and didn't get it where they were like, ah, maybe, you know, she was close.

We couldn't get there.

She was definitely something.

Everybody knew she was something.

She knew everybody.

She was friends with everybody.

And then it just happened.

I also love the like web of.

you know, Christopher Guess is his staple of actors, but I like that he recruits from like, she does American Pie with Eugene Lovey.

And Eugene Lovey's like, you got to meet Jennifer Coolidge.

Do you know what I mean?

the degrees of separation collapse onto themselves at some point and then we get to hear Sherry Ann say uh we love snow peace

what if only fucking gift

will you

will you have me stop podcasting when i get to my leslie ward cabot stage no no no

i think honestly i think by then you have to like perfect a mouse

i think by then you'll just be able to beam a podcast into someone's mind yeah and not talk about that for hours at a time exactly yeah exactly um i have we meet christy Cummings.

She's just a handler.

Yeah.

This is one of my favorite moments of the movie when she lays out the whole family dynamic, how she's the

taskmaster, like her father.

Oh my God.

Her mom's the heart and soul.

And she was there with unconditional love until my mom committed suicide in 81.

Worked for my family.

Just an unbelievable scene.

And then it's cut to the next scene.

Unbelievable.

And the two of them together.

Oh.

Just great.

Perfect.

It almost could have been its own show.

Oh, yeah.

Like, that could have been an NBC sitcom in like 2002.

Question: The American Bitch spin-off.

Right.

I mean, at running a publication together with Christy and Sherry, and that's where we hired Mal from.

It was American Bitch from Sports Illustrated.

Exactly.

It wasn't Horse Illustration.

It was her first job.

Okay.

Intern in American Bitch.

One day.

That's still the dream.

That's still the dream.

It is amazing now to go back because Jane Lynch is such an

indispensable part of our comedic fabric.

And like, I guess it's probably the

I never saw her before.

No, me neither.

She did stuff, I don't remember it.

But then, anytime I saw her after, I was like, Jane Lynch, yeah, of course, best of show.

And then when Glee happened, it was not surprising.

Yeah.

Um,

well, Jerry and Cookie have dinner with their old boyfriend.

I just gotta tell you guys, this is my pick for most rewatchable scenes.

It is.

I think this is a really good pick.

And here's why.

This is what I don't like this sequence.

I know.

Can I make the case?

Yeah, do it.

it.

Wow.

Zach, the son, absolutely kills me.

Oh, Zach's great.

Playing with his parachuter, the guy openly flirting with her at the table while also talking about how he's the chief hostage negotiator.

And got stuck in the gargoyle.

And then Eugene Levy getting mad and complimenting the wife on her beautiful, luscious breast.

I'm about to compliment you on your luscious melon breast tonight.

How does this sound?

My favorite part is that when she's like,

she's

going to look up.

But

when they go outside and the kid's on the shed, it just kills me.

And he starts to use hostage negotiator.

Please, honey, this is what I do.

Don't be mad at him, please.

I'll gouge your left eye out with my thumb.

I shit you not, you freak.

You get down here right now.

I'm going to punch you in the eye until it turns to jelly.

Get down here.

Look at him.

I know.

Challenges him.

He doesn't get it.

I'm going to stab you with forks until you bleed.

How about that?

It doesn't surprise me, Mallory, that this is one of your favorite.

It's not my pick, but I do.

I do love Molly.

This is my pick.

I love the kid in the house.

I love Max and Cookie.

I think my, again, like, there's just the through line of Cookie's exes

being so brazen with Jerry standing right there.

Like, obviously, Max.

No, but the other, I like very much.

I think I prefer the other ones who just like randomly come across them in the wild showing up at the party.

It's just like, or in the recording studio at the end.

That's like all of that stuff is really good.

Great stuff.

I will stab you with forks until you bleed.

How about that?

Do you have any other re-watchables before we get to the pre-show pre-show party?

My number one is

I have a bunch more.

Just in the sequencing.

Yes.

A couple more that we've passed in the chronology of the film already.

Well, we can go back after it.

The pre-show party.

Yeah.

There's a butch ice sculpture.

Yeah.

The party's over when it melts.

Someone

recognizes Cookie.

Yeah.

That's our party.

Should we do a ringer, a ringer

party?

Yeah.

And do an ice sculpture.

And when it melts, the party's over.

We had an ice luge at the 2016 Ringer Christmas party.

Did you?

Yeah, back when we used to have parties.

Boy.

Yeah.

What a night that was.

Dement Julep, you were working as a waitress there.

You were

the best.

Yeah.

You know, I banged a lot of water waitresses.

That is so

the best.

I banged a lot of people.

But she's kind of right there.

You don't forget the best.

Yeah, you don't forget the best.

Absolutely incredible.

But I love how she always keeps apologizing to Jerry.

You know, like earlier when they went to the Burma, she's like, who's my future?

Who's my future?

I'm with him now.

Yeah.

So good.

Oh, man.

I wrote down They Can't Find Busy Bee.

This is my future.

Which Parker Posey performs like she's in a Scorsese cocaine film.

I think this is Shakespeare.

The

Busy Bee is missing.

Has this been you ever?

With anything missing with Halo?

You know, it's interesting because like Adam and I were re-watching this and we were the two that we've skipped so far that I would nominate are

Megan Hamilton Swan sharing their two Starbucks.

That's my number one.

That's just an, I think, of the catalog.

I've seen the catalogs, the catalog conversation.

Like where each of them have been raised amongst catalogs.

Absolutely remarkable line in the movie.

You know, I was such a huge J.

Crew person then, too.

Still am.

Yeah.

Incredible.

Yeah.

And then when they arrive at the airport,

and they're screaming at each other, like Adam and I were watching this.

And it's like,

this, he's like, who are you?

Scenes from America.

Yeah.

Are you Meg or are you Hamilton?

But he was just like, this is the experience of living with you.

And then I think he walked it back a little bit.

Yeah.

But that idea of just like blaming each other for forgetting the pet toy, something going wrong, building toward the busy bee is missing stretch where like Hamilton is completely inside the crate.

Like he's in a cave into the carrier looking for the toy.

Just unbelievable stuff.

Unbelievable stuff.

It's not in here.

It's not in here.

It should be in the crate.

It's not in the crate.

I just told you that.

Guys, Hamilton, if she doesn't get a toy, she's got a flip out.

Damn.

It's not in here.

You left it at the hotel.

You go back and you get her busy beat.

Go to the hotel hotel and get busy me

run

go.

Mommy's getting your toy.

You go.

You go back and you get her busy beef.

Go to the hotel and get busy beef.

Run.

Run.

Is it that or is it her with Ed Begley Jr.

and the poor woman who's playing?

That scene is where I think Adam was like, just kidding.

It was a little bit different.

It's like a little, oh boy.

The pre-show party also has

Harlan murdering the swans when he's just telling some long, boring Harlan story.

And only drinks like, ah.

And then Hamilton asks about his jacket.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it was great, like, Parker Posey preview for White Lotus.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Totally.

And then the You Must Be Very Proud Mary joke.

Then we get to the show.

Fred Willard wants to know why they don't dress up the dog like Sherlock Holmes.

He has that whole thing.

Not quite a rewatchable, but a little bit.

Incredible.

All right.

This is hard to do the end part, but

there's a whole

Jane Lynch part where she won't wear makeup and they talk about that.

Yeah.

This is so funny.

And then she tries to psych out Harlan.

She's like, oh, look at this dog.

And she's just kind of

a little rough.

She's trying to psych him out.

And then it goes right into Fred talking about the shih tzu.

And Stewart is, can I think of Shihihzu?

What am I carrying on?

And that's when Trevor's starting to get frustrated.

I think that also on on the christy comings jane lynch front michael mckean and john michael higgins their reaction watching it on tv not even before the kiss yeah just sort of like mocking her outfit

oil rig yeah yeah she looks like a cocktowitch

incredible stuff um

some of fred's stuff he trained to be a priest being shit to find out what went wrong there but that's a whole other show he's just like ad-libbing all this stuff um he went on that run with terriers about how the terriers, his terrier comment.

Some countries, those dogs might be eating.

Yeah.

How do they make him miniature?

That's the best part.

I said that was a really good question.

Is there some way, some process that they use to make them physically smaller?

He has a book idea for woman-bathing your dog.

Doing a doggy style.

Yeah.

You come up with the title.

I'm not the literary guy.

That's what Trevor's like.

They breathe them that way.

Would you put Meg buying a bumblebee at the

store?

Oh, yeah.

That store scene is incredible.

That's like historic.

It's not a bee.

It's a bear to bee costume.

That's a fish.

The way that she, her,

the quiet rage

is actually terrifying to witness.

And then I love when she selects the multicolored, like rainbow picture.

Yeah.

She's like.

She's just, she's broke.

She's broken at that point.

Just like a few of the ones that we have here.

Her response to that is one of my favorite moments in in the movie.

I didn't ask for your opinion.

I asked for a toy that you don't have.

It's just like so good.

It is one of those where you think, like, she should have at least had an Aubrey Plaza type of career.

Like, she should have led movies and done.

Parker's done pretty well for herself.

And she's been like a character.

Yeah, anytime character.

Yeah.

But Jason White Lotus makes me think, like, yeah, there's probably a couple more great roles in there.

Capturing that, like, abusive rudeness of a truly hysterical person.

Maniac.

It's like a just don't know what that is.

She has a maniac as well as anyone ever.

She got actual braces for this movie.

I know.

Incredible commitment.

Or, like, you could argue just a perk.

It's like, I have to have the braces on to see the movie.

And then you come out and you got beautiful teeth.

She's a key role in one of my favorite movies that we've already done in rewatchables that nobody's seen.

Kicking and screaming.

I love kicking and screaming.

Yeah.

She was the girlfriend.

Daytrippers.

Just screaming.

She's really good in day trippers.

Screaming at Skippy.

A couple more.

Yeah.

The dog attacks the judge, and Fred says he went after her that she's made out of ham.

It's a shame to see that happen, but he's still a champion, even if he's set off in disgrace.

Like shoeless Joe Jackson.

Remarkable.

Rhapsody has two mommies.

We got to mention that one.

Yep.

Great stuff.

More great Higgins.

He doesn't have a single miss in the entire industry.

He really doesn't.

No.

It's not even a no-here.

It's a perfect game.

It is a game.

It's a perfect game.

The makeup is impeccable.

How about when he walks out and he's got that

perfect stage?

Yeah.

Fantastic.

They said he was training to be in this movie and actually was in a dog show and handled somebody won.

You can tell he had actually mastered the technique that he won.

He had to like sub in for someone and then he just won the competition.

I was saying that my wife would have been good at this because my wife's a good athlete, but they're like Jane Lynch had that run.

Yeah.

You have to have this controlled run where you don't break stride.

Yeah, the prance.

Like, there's a certain athleticism that some of them seem to have.

Jane Lynch was like great at it, but Higgins was good at too.

All right.

Um, the final seven, which I guess we can lump together.

Final seven,

most re-watchable scenes, the whole movie.

I mean, it's more than yeah, yeah, yeah.

We get we get the injury and the limp.

This is it.

That's my winner.

That's my winner.

You're gonna show winky.

You have a concussion.

You're not making any sense.

You think they know the championships on the line here?

Actual question from Fred.

Really good.

Trevor's face in response.

Am I nuts or something wrong with his feet?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

The proctologist joke.

Yeah, yeah, I remember you said that last year.

Do all the dogs bark the same?

Jerry wins.

But that's that's that's what I love about the Trevor character.

It's like that's his breaking point.

That's the beats he gets.

Yeah, he's like, you made that joke last year.

Repeat it.

You had the gall to repeat your shitty joke.

If you live in my neighborhood and we wear an outfit like that, you better be a hotel doorman.

Fred's on just absolute fire.

What is it?

And then Jerry wins.

It's an emotional.

It's like a real sports movie.

It is.

Does this count as a sports movie?

No oppression.

It's a literal underdog story here.

Rhapsody and

Dad.

And they had to win.

Yeah.

This was like the fucking Chiefs not three peeding.

Shit, Craig, this is like quietly sports movie month.

I guess it is.

Yeah.

Wow.

We're two out of four.

Jeez.

Got to come up with two more now.

Snow Dogs Left.

That's a dog movie and a sports movie.

Snowdogs left.

May they have Rocky.

Six Months Later is our last one.

Every single part of Six Months Later is perfect.

It's perfect.

Every single part of it.

The therapy bookends.

Unbelievable.

Does the captain and the cookies beg for it?

Would that be in your memorabilia things you do?

That is my second pick in the memorabilia thing.

Yeah.

Behind Busy Bee.

Busy Bee is the no-brainer memorabilia pick, but the fact that it's, it's not just Jerry and his little captain's costume and Winky looks so cute and the hilarious name they've landed on.

It's the fact that it's a cassette tape.

Like, it definitely could have been a CD by this point, but it's a cassette tape, which is just a perfect touch.

But I would have to pick the way that all the musical, I mean, I know they started with Spinal Tap, but the way that all the musical stuff in here feels like an audition for a Mighty Wind, which is another perfect film.

The song's like,

Mahler's like, I've got me.

I've got the lyrics.

Some dish.

Bow wow.

Delish.

Fantastic.

And then, of course, the studio engineer knows Cookie.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm not wearing underwear.

So good.

His name being

Bulge.

Yeah.

You've grown.

I'm grown right now.

And then Jerry's just like, that's it.

That's what you said.

I'm growing right now, girls.

And it's like, we can't do any better than this.

It's like, no, we're actually going to launch American Bitch Magazine now.

Oh, my God.

Here we go.

Focusing on the issues of of the lesbian dog breeder, yeah, and then Higgins and McCain are like, no, we're gonna top that one.

We're doing photo shoots of dogs in old famous movies.

Maybe that's

been a lot of the Casablanca one is my favorite.

Yeah, that's really good.

And then we end back in the therapist's office with uh Kipper doing some leg humping.

Yep, good.

And now they're wearing colorful, they're wearing

a lot of bright ring or green

in their outfits.

Uh, I have an observation from your run-through of most rewatchable stuff.

I mean, I just basically did the entire movie.

You did it very light light on harlan pepper i sure did yeah that stands out tell me tough and we can get to that later okay oh my god

okay sheesh is it because you have a ventriloquism issue no

we can get to later

um so you're most rewatchable was i am busy bee i'm so torn between busy bee and cookie's injury i think i have to pick the spirit of most rewatchable scene I don't think I'm constitutionally capable of looking away if I know we're about to see Cookie.

I just, I think that has to be.

Why doesn't, why didn't Cookie's injury become like one of the best Twitter memes to use anytime somebody like had like a dumb injury in sports?

Great question.

I don't know what we're doing.

It's not too late.

Yeah, it's not too late.

I don't know what we're doing.

Joe, what do you have?

It's the Starbucks.

It's fantastic.

And the catalogs.

So ironically, that's what I had for my most 2000 thing about this movie.

Oh, yeah.

That entire scene.

People

being excited about how they met in a Starbucks over the course of a couple of weeks.

Yeah.

Being Big L, being catalog guys, and feeling lucky to be raised along catalogs.

Amongst catalogs.

And now we.

Do we have catalogs?

Yeah.

Yes.

Didn't we just get a little bit of a comeback?

I don't know.

I only get card collecting catalogs.

That's it.

That's me.

But like sometimes if I order something online, then all of a sudden you get a catalog for the thing.

I only get like ones for like sports auctions.

It'd be like new

Gehrig

jersey collection.

Have you ever ordered something from a catalog?

No.

No?

Okay.

Not recently.

Have you ordered something from a catalogue?

Not recently.

Yeah, back in the day.

Back in the day.

My mom, like the swans, used to have a catalog.

And you give the, like, the number of the item you want.

Yeah, exactly.

What's age the best?

Mockumentary movies.

No question.

Just as an artwork.

Why are I as a genre?

Yeah.

Craig.

What the hell is wrong with your generation?

Why aren't there more mockumentary movies?

Well, you know, the Apatow era was very improv heavy.

It's not a mockumentary, but I think they evolved from probably the

Christopher Guest stuff a little little bit.

Also, it's honestly really hard.

I think there's not more of them because it's genuinely hard to pull off a 90-minute improv movie.

Most improv sucks.

Can I summarize that?

Craig just said, My generation is cowards.

When do you think that Craig, a married man who is a manager at this company and is in his 30s, will stop having to speak on behalf of all young people?

He's 30.

He's not in his 30s.

He just turned 30.

Right.

I'm basically 29.

Okay, you're holding on to it.

Okay,

I have one foot in the grave, personally.

Actually, you guys do some what's aged the best, and I'll do mine at the end.

What do you got, Joe?

Honestly, just everything.

Yeah.

I mean, I know that's like a bullshit answer, but I just couldn't single anything out because the whole movie's perfect.

It doesn't feel dated at all.

No.

This is the second Rewatch Worlds in a Row for me where What's Aged the Best was basically everything and What's Aged the Worst and Picking Nits.

Two categories I normally love and have a lot of fun with were nearly impossible.

I didn't have it.

Before Sunset and this, it's just like, I don't know.

And these are perfect movies that if we watch them 2,000 years from now, we would say are perfect movies.

Mockumentary as a forum was my top one as well.

I think you already said this, but parodying crazy pet people.

Like, we're in the era of

social media is taking it to a whole other era.

You can't even parody it anymore.

Like, social media is pet people.

I think it also just like launched people's interest in dog shows in general.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

The way that, like, spelling bee documentaries launched that, you know, and like rounders and poker.

Yeah, yeah,

Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy as a comedic duo.

I think that's a real what's aged the best.

Obviously, everybody in the movie, their comedic brilliance holds up, but I'm wearing my Schitt's Creek sweatshirt today.

And like, we have been so fortunate to spend so many years in so many different properties with them.

Going back to SCTV.

Yeah.

And it is just this like really rare thing where it's you can act.

Trust is hard to build and maintain, but you can trust in the two of them together in something.

And like revisiting that is just like such a gift.

And I think that the roses from Schitt's Creek,

they're modern icons, but it's tough to top the flex.

It really is tough to top the flex.

I think also the Swans really aged well as,

you know, the cruelest caricature maybe in the film.

A yuppie examination.

Yeah, exactly.

Scott aged well.

The odd couple broadcast booth.

That's a real what's aged the best.

It feels like it's been ripped off in other movies.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, I have age the best book.

Rhapsody losing.

Yeah, true.

Right.

It's like the Patriots in 07 and the giant favorites.

You said it, man.

I have What's Age the Best?

Just Busy B

being this toy that dominates everybody's life.

It's hilarious.

So good.

A dog on a treadmill, I think, is now a real thing.

I think that's the best just in general.

Eugene Levy's weird teeth commitment.

Oh my gosh.

Just like how far he'll go.

He'll go like cross-eyed for

10 minutes.

Some weird, like crazy things in his teeth.

I have for what stage the best the uh spinal tap callback and Begli Jr.

Yes.

About the rock band trash in their room and rose.

They didn't know.

They didn't know there was a toilet in the room.

And Begley Jr.

is so good on this.

He's really.

He's so good on this.

He's trying to sell the utility closet as like a comfortable place to stay for four.

The kitchen's right next door, so don't worry about it.

It's fine.

The AM Philadelphia guy, when they're about to go live, he goes, energy.

Energy.

Yeah.

I thought that was good.

Brock Wars and Chalales.

Paigey Dr.

Freud.

I don't know why that's so funny.

Scott.

Annoying Coffee Orders, which this movie ties into, but now literally everyone has a annoying coffee order.

But the Swans are talking about Grande Espresso.

And I thought that was

the soy in her face when he becomes lactose.

And she's like, yeah, you are.

Yeah.

And then.

Posey said this in the oral history about Willard.

Seeing him waiting for Guffman, just smoking a cigar in a folding chair, looking out in the empty street, and just coming up with brilliant, funny stuff.

I'm in awe.

We would all just sit and watch him and just double over.

He had pages of Lego Pad of just bits.

I have another thing.

I have another thing.

I think he's one of those rare guys that people, he was just like a comedy fountain.

Yeah.

You're around him.

And this, and this is what he does best.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

Like, does better than most people.

And it is the thing that he does the best.

Yeah.

I didn't have a great Shaq Gordo Award, unless you guys have one.

It's not a cinematic.

But I will say the like zoom in

on

Jennifer Coolidge and Jane Lynch.

That's my pick, too.

Yeah, that's a great mock.

Because we're watching it through TV with Scott and the camera's catching it.

That's my pick as well.

Yeah.

What do you have for Big Kahuna Burger Award, Best Use of Food and Drink?

Because I have her complimenting the food as being like cafeteria food.

That is also my pick.

I know it tastes better, but it looks like cafeteria hot plate food.

It's either that.

Definitely insults.

It's either that or the popcorn.

Yeah.

Or I would say the like whatever frozen yogurt thing that Jennifer Coolidge is eating at the end when they're talking about American bitch, that she's just sort of like they're in an interview and she's just like going to town on this Proyo.

Yeah.

Or the meat counter scene.

I know you guys already talked about it, but that, you know, wonderful stuff.

Oh, that's a good one.

That's probably the answer.

Poor Randy the Butcher.

My God.

Randy was not enjoying it.

No, he was not.

I think the thing about the extra large bucket of popcorn is just the specificity of half butter, half salt, half salt, half butter, half salt.

It's really amusing yeah kid caddy pursued happiness award best needle drop it's one of the two songs would you go terrier song or the other song i love goblins of terrier

small sturdy brave and true the one lady's tearing up

she's really getting emotional yeah they're so moved chess rockwell brocklanders award for best character name um

stephanie van der Hoof it's Harlan Pepper.

It's Bulge.

And Bulge is my runner-up, but.

You want to go Stefan Vanderhoof?

Also, Harlan Pepper is an.

an we haven't mentioned Bob Balaban, and I would say Theodore W.

Milbank III is pretty good.

And we have to do a human and a dog.

We have to pick both because of the nature of the movie.

Oh, it's Raphson White.

Raphson White.

Raph book.

Yes.

Raphson White.

Yeah.

Harlan Pepper kills me.

Yeah.

A dog with two different names is great.

All right, Joanna, you have a flex category.

Okay.

Mine is,

it's a book about Medals of War, but it's best quote or exchange.

This is just like slid in the backstory.

when we're first meeting um michael mckean's character and he says i was a hairdresser about 14 years and i went to a show and i saw his nibs here having his way with a borzoi and i asked my ex-wife who's that and she said that's scott

i was a hairdresser 14 years i asked my ex-wife who is that that's scott

it's rich

a lot of context a lot in one line

great pick butch's girlfriend award for the weak link of the film You don't have to pick.

You don't have to pick a weak link.

Okay, great.

Do you have one?

Do you think it's Chris Rogues as Harlan Pepper?

I don't.

Even Harlan Pepper doesn't make me laugh.

I, yeah.

It's not quite fast-forward over him, but I kind of get the joke immediately.

Yeah.

And it's a lot of work.

I think the nut monologue is really good when he's just naming nuts.

I would have scaled him back and just put more of Higgins and McCain in it.

The ventriloquist stuff is is my least favorite of any of like the prominent correct cast members because it's funny because in goffman he's the funniest guy in goffman yeah

and then in this i almost think he was trying to zag really super hard the other way and and i just remember even the first time i saw this movie i remember being like huh but i just love so much that he's like matching the bloodhound energy even he's just like a human well the accent's great too yeah exactly i like this too buddies yeah what do we what do we think like the but i'm putting the rat lifts think of his accent accent?

You know, have the rat lifts ever made their way to the fishing hole in

North Carolina?

I have a lot of affection for Harlan Pepper for a couple of reasons.

One,

again, like we're watching the swans scream and scare their dog.

And like Harlan Pepper.

has such love in his heart for Hubert.

When we get to see the photo album full of the little baby puppy photos of Hubert, that's so cute.

And he calls him, he doesn't just call him loyal.

He calls him noble.

I just love that.

Do you think he comes back and wins a couple years later?

Yeah, as was predicted.

Yes, I think no question.

And that's kind of, I think, a necessary.

Do you like how Rufus is still my screensaver?

Rufus.

He's not alive anymore.

Rufus.

He just dropped dead one night.

I don't have any WhatsApped the worst.

I had to try Rufus.

I really like every part of this movie.

And

I don't know.

I don't know where you go.

I got one.

Okay, let's hear.

Well, actually, two.

I had the Harlan's ventriloquist act as one.

This is so minor.

I was really grasping for something here, but we have a couple interstitials with the Mayflower Brass.

The aforementioned Mr.

Milmank III,

Graham Chisholm.

Even though it's only a few total scenes, I don't want any time going to those characters.

Yeah, that's fair.

Like, I think more time with the fat side, the curtain comes amazing all that.

That's kind of it, though.

Like, I would rather

the Taft Hotel stuff is all great.

So I think there is value, you know, all of our time with

the hotel manager Schaefer is wonderful.

I think there's value in being with somebody other than the dog handlers and owners, but like, maybe give us the judge.

Give us a judge as a character.

You know, what does Everett Bainbridge actually think?

That's kind of it, though.

It's really hard to think of too many other things here.

Did you?

I could have spent more time at the

party with the melting ice thing yeah yeah yeah party was great yeah they could have done two more minutes i'm sure there was everett bainbridge who you mentioned is played by the legend don davis and i'm sure there's stuff with him that they cut because whilst you cast him to just be in the distance for part of the movie ruffalo hannah rubinik partridge over acting award

i think hamilton cruises to the win here for i think he dials it up the most

you go get busy b you go get him run hitchcock is not my favorite in this i have some other thoughts for that.

I don't know.

Interesting.

Okay.

That's my pick as well, but I think, again, not as a demerit because dialing it up, you know, to 99 on a world normally operating on a one to 10 scale is sort of the point of the swans.

He's also navigating.

So Parker Posey got actual braces.

He got like special retainers made.

And so he's talked about how he was like trying to not lisp around the retainers he had for his adult braces.

So I feel like I've seen Hitchcock be better in other things.

We're going to take a break and then do Mallory's flex choice.

All right, Mallory, your flex choice is.

I hope you're doing, did this movie have a porn parody?

Did it?

I don't know, but I'd like it to.

And it should be called Best and Blow.

And

not American Bitch.

American Bitch, also a great one.

Maybe it can be an entire franchise.

Not Breston Show.

Breast and Show, also a great one.

I think this is just proof that we need the porn parody.

Best and Blow is, of course, a Philadelphia convention for oral sex.

And

can't you say, of course, you say, of course.

I didn't have a sex technique.

And the great news is, much like the Mayflower dog show, both of these can be in part about grooming, grooming technique.

And also, Cookie wins both.

Cookie definitely wins both.

No question.

Best in Peep Show?

Also strong.

Yeah.

Also strong.

Pressed, pressed.

Don't go on your work computer.

You just made me think that AVN,

when they have that porn weekend, it's like the convention.

Yep.

I went to it because we shot a segment for it for Jimmy Kimmel's show when I was a writer.

Yep.

And

that could have easily been a Christopher Guest World.

Why isn't it?

Or like there is still time.

I mean, I know he made mascots, but why is the furry convention not been

made into a question movie?

I don't have an answer for you.

I didn't have in the rundown.

the Malli Rubin Award for did this movie need a better sex scene?

Because there is no sex scene.

No.

I mean, it's also a PG movie.

I don't know.

A sex scene would have been.

You don't want to see the swans.

That is the pick is like more athletic.

Yeah, the

R-rated version of this movie where she's smoking pot and we get a sex scene with them.

That I don't know.

Yeah, that's how we made Kipper at the end is like they're actually workshopping a new page in the Kama Sutra, and then we pan to Kipper, who's like, you're crushing it, mom and dad.

The other thing for Congress comes out.

The other thing would, of course, be like flashbacks to all of the cookies

sexual exercise.

Actually, I think that would have been great.

You don't even have have to make it explicit.

Make it explicit.

Just sort of like, yeah,

wonderful.

Yeah.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford Hottest Take Award.

This is hard.

I don't know.

You don't have one, you don't have one.

Okay, we feel of two minds about this, but like, what if this had been a TV show instead?

What if this had been a mini-series?

I went further.

Did Chris Guest leave like $200 million on the table?

Yeah.

He had this.

He had the footage.

Curb, the office, all this stuff.

What if he had just gone dog show, TV, sitcom

or HBO?

Because HBO.

I mean, because you like every year there could be new contestants in

the dog show.

Now, would it have worn out as welcome, possibly?

And is it good that we have this like 90-minute perfect jewel?

So my only thing with that is I think Cookie and Jerry have to be in it every year.

And I think

Stefan and who's

played?

Scott.

I think they have to be in it every year.

Maybe everyone else changes.

Scott and his kimono.

Oh, I guess Coolidge and Jane Lynch have to be in it too.

That's the thing.

So it's just everyone.

Oh, everyone but Harlan Pepper.

Harlan Pepper is just somebody else the next year.

Just hold the pepper.

Maybe hold the pepper.

Okay.

Harlan Pepper.

Yeah, it does feel like there was, I mean, I'm sure these movies that are at this movie made 20 million, so it made some money back, but there was some giant TV idea with this world.

Yes, no question.

All these people he had access to.

No question.

Casting Whitiffs couldn't find anybody.

Neither could we.

Nope.

So Best That Guy Award, there's a bunch of them in here.

Yeah.

The guy who who plays Leslie Ward Cabot, who's also blue and old school, I did not know his name.

I had to look it up.

And he's an all-time that guy.

His name is Patrick Cranshaw.

Great.

And I don't know how you top it.

I was going to throw out Malcolm Stewart, who plays Malcolm, one of Cookie's many flings.

What about Rachel Harris, who's like been in the hangover and a bunch of stuff and like a tiny role in this?

As like

as their friend at the backyard barbecue.

I didn't even notice her.

Yeah.

Oh, shit.

That's a good one.

Yeah.

I like that that one.

And Bob Baloban's Bob Baloban.

Yeah.

It's like he's not.

Yeah.

Don Davis,

Don Davis, who we mentioned, who is like one of the judges, is

famous from Twin Peaks.

He plays Scully's dad on X-Files.

He's been around.

This movie is all that guys and that girl.

That's what it is.

Because Larry Miller, the one whose son goes on the shed, he's kind of Larry Miller, but he's also a really good that guy.

Deion Waiter's award.

Larry Miller's one of them.

That's the pick.

Max Berman.

I'd like to also offer you Leslie Leslie Ward Cabot, even though he doesn't have a line.

Okay.

Harlan's two buddies in Pine Nuts.

That was my favorite.

So it's Dale.

Yeah.

He's like, if you get tired, pull over.

If you get hungry, eat something.

I want to shout out the pet shop owner because, like,

to be able to hold that together opposite what Parker Posey is doing.

Actually, an incredible achievement.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Remarkable.

Yeah.

Recasting Couch Director City.

What do you got, Mel?

Does this need to be Philadelphia?

With apologies to CR?

Like, is there any Philly specificity in the movie?

Where would you put it instead?

Baltimore?

Sure, why not?

Yeah, fuck.

Yeah.

Let's go to Baltimore.

I think it needs to be someplace like high-toned.

So like a Boston or a Philadelphia.

The like old money American beasts.

I don't know.

There's no actual.

I'm going to win this category.

All right.

Parker Posey's husband in this movie, we've already mentioned.

Yeah.

Hitchcock.

He's fine.

Yeah.

Will Farrell is right there.

Oh my God.

Will Farrell and Parker Posey together as the swans.

I can see him screaming, but I'm not sure I can see him in like the uptight.

Oh, he can definitely do that.

Yeah, he can do that.

Yeah, like in what?

I think he can do it.

He did in a bunch of the sketches where he had an uptight character he used to play.

I just feel like he always has a twinkle in his eye, which like is not right.

Or maybe that needed it, though.

Hamilton's like a real drip.

Yeah, Hamilton sucks.

Yeah.

You know, and I don't think that Will Farrell ever sucks.

I scream would have been better.

Thoughts,

I love Farrell.

I thought Hitchcock was really good for what the role called for.

I think Farrell could have done it, it's just a slightly different character.

It would have been very like a little moment like Hamilton talking about whether to change, you know, but he likes the mock turtle.

Should he go to the mock turtle?

But oh, this like burgundy really matches with the slacks.

Like, we'll ferret would have made it better.

Absolutely because we're using what we think of Feral now.

In 2000, Farrell was not Ferrell yet, so maybe it would have worked.

Yeah,

I love the swans.

I already did my flex category, so we got to keep going.

Half-fast center research.

Filming took place in Vancouver in L.A.

They had to stage their own dog show because their dog show would let them do a dog show.

That was interesting.

They had to organize the whole thing.

I think that's where some of the budget went.

But like, some of the judges had to be, have been like real dog show judges.

You know what I mean?

So like,

I guess like Westminster did not want them there.

I guess they're like, because you're mocking us.

But they're celebrating.

But they are.

Chris McGuess doesn't even like the phrase mockumentary.

That's right.

That's right.

He gets a little precious sometimes.

Fred's character,

Buck Laughlin, was based on Joe Garagiola, who was an old baseball announcer from the 80s and 90s and had done the Westminster show.

He shot his whole part in a day and a half.

Was specifically instructed by Christopher Guest not to research dogs in any way and just go completely blind.

You can tell.

Whereas Juno Vedic had to learn everything about dogs so that he could like respond with actual information.

So fun.

The first poodle, first Rhapsody

got fired?

Yep.

Wild.

How embarrassing.

Because the first Rhapsody's handler was a piece of work.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know the Brandy Booth Award is not one of our categories today, but who would you have given it to?

I mean, best performance by a pet?

I mean, Hubert's amazing.

I will make the case here that it's Beatrice.

Because that's the most range is required to play Beatrice.

Not my Patrick.

I should have put Brandy Booth in there.

Why didn't I do that?

I love

that you look

Hubert and you're not into Harlan Pepper.

I liked Harlem Pepper.

It was just a lot of the same joke.

Yeah.

Guest said in the research, Fred Willard makes a joke when the person handles the dog's testicles.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

But they found out why they do that.

Did you know why they do that?

Yeah.

Because they want to make sure.

You put fake, they didn't put fake testicles in there.

Apparently, some dogs will have one testicle and they get disqualified.

So it's got to be double balls.

Who knew?

But that sometimes they would put a fake testicle in there to sort of like, so I just wanted to speak to the people who craft fake testicles.

We do fake dog testicles here.

Dog shows.

What's the application process?

Also, why are we shaming dogs as one ball?

That's what I was going to say, Craig.

All of these elitist asses.

That's what the dog shows.

Yeah, that's what dog shows.

Like, our one elitism.

Ball dog, be proud and free.

Good lord.

Higgins said

he's like a big voice guy and he formed he forms vocal groups on any movie or TV show he does.

And he got a good one going on this.

He said, Jane was the soprano, Catherine was the alto.

I sang tenor.

Gene did the bass.

You get really bored in the set.

Higgins just sounds like an MVP.

I thought he was great as Letterman.

I love the late shit.

That's one of my favorite TV movies.

He's awesome in that.

He did a really good Legend of Corridor.

Did incredible

voice work for that.

Wonderful.

He's done like, he's had a really good voice work career, but he should have been in everything.

Yeah, he should have talked to daddy.

Apex Mountain.

The best.

This is hard.

This is hard.

I think for guests, it probably is.

Oh, yeah.

I think so.

Yeah.

I feel like he had the most juice after this.

For this movie, even though it only 20 million.

Fred Biller is tough because he was on that show in the 70s with Martin Moll.

That was like a pretty massive comedy hit, Fernwood, something.

What about John Michael Higgins then?

I think it is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think if

probably at this point, if somebody mentions a movie to him, it's probably this one.

I guess O'Hara, no, but I don't even know what.

I mean, she's almost impossible.

It's probably Home Alone.

With Beetlejuice.

I mean, she's the mom at Home Alone.

Shit's Creek.

Where's she won Emmys for?

I mean, Moira wrote.

It's the mom at Home Alone.

It went like $700 million.

She's the mom.

I was thinking about this because Shit's Creek is one of my favorite recording shows in Home Alone.

Yeah, she just is.

How many people can compete?

After hours?

Yeah.

Jeez.

Never on SNL.

Showed up.

They hired a new head writer.

The guy was acting like a crazy person and just went back to Toronto.

She was in like the second year of Eddie Murphy.

John Michael Higgins, yes.

McKeon.

No.

No.

It's not.

It's probably better called Saul.

Saul.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Still in Washington.

Which also starred at Bakeley Jr.

Jennifer Coolidge.

White Lotus.

I think White Lotus.

It's White Lotus.

She's doing Cool Blonde.

She's doing commercials now.

Yes.

White Lotus propelled her to a level of like

rediscovered fame and relevance that I think is

people imitating her scenes with Legally Blonde is sort of like what made her this sort of figure.

You do this sometimes, but she Coolidge is a rare, like, maybe there is more than one Apex Mountain.

Because the time gap is so big.

Yeah.

Stiffer's mom was

one of the iconic daddy's characters.

Very important.

And there was even a song about her, an alternative song that I forget who did that one, but it became

not Stacy's mom.

No, somebody had

a Stiffler song, or was that Stacy's mom?

I think Stacey's mom was.

Is that about Stiffler?

No, no.

I'm mixing up.

So maybe there's a Stiffler's Mom parody set to Stacey's mom.

I thought

Stiffler's mom was in something.

Fred Willard, we said, no, dog shows.

Sure, maybe.

I mean, I think so.

Or the actual Westminster dog show.

Roasting a goat, definitely.

A.M.

Philadelphia, 100%.

Terror songs, yes.

Pet People movies?

American Bitch Magazine, yes.

Pet People movies, yes.

Yeah, I think so.

Jane Lynch, got to be glee, right?

It has to be glee.

No question.

Kimonas?

Just kidding.

How about Posey?

Oh, man.

Oh, that's tough.

Hard.

I feel like part of the frustrating thing about her career is that kind of there was never an Apex Mountain.

It was always like, oh, no, Parker, Posey.

All right.

Somewhere in in probably the mid-90s.

She was the Apex.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Somewhere in the 90s.

She was unbelievable in this, though.

Yeah.

Unbelievable in this.

She's pretty great at Days of Confused.

Yeah.

She's so good in Days of Confused.

Guffman.

She's great in Guffman.

Man, it's probably somewhere in the mid-90s.

Cruiser Hanks.

Wait.

What?

What about Eugene Levy?

No, it's Shit's Creek.

It's Schitt's Creek.

Or Splash.

Oh, yeah.

I just want to splash all the time.

No, Shit's Creek.

Because you also have your kid in the same thing.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You also get credit for that.

I wanted to ask you this.

Yeah.

Because you were a comedy expert.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Welcome.

Comedy Ensemble Cast?

Oh, for a movie?

Oh.

What do you think?

It's at least in the comedy.

It's in the comedies.

It's in the top 10.

Yeah.

So who's the competition for this?

Anchorman?

Yeah.

Bridesmaids.

Bridesmaids.

Yeah, Yeah, it's a bunch of Apatow movies, probably.

Yeah.

Trying to think 80s.

Oh, shit.

You should have texted that one to me.

I would have wanted more time on that.

80s would be tough because that's like when Amanda asked you, party fictional movie houses.

Oh, yeah.

You're walking race.

I still don't have the answer to that.

That's such a great question.

Because, like, 80s high school party comedies have a bunch of heavy hands.

I don't feel that I have the expertise.

You got one, Craig?

Honestly, I think Anchorman's a really good one.

I think it might be Anchorman.

I mean, almost everybody.

It's like an entire decade of people who either were stars or became stars.

Yeah.

It's up there, though.

Cruiser Hanks, what do you got?

Hanks.

Tom Hanks.

Yeah.

Also from Pine Nut.

Who does Hanks play?

He'd be a great Harlem Pappar.

And I do think he could do Hamilton Swan.

Yeah.

I agree.

Yeah.

I think he could have done McCain.

I don't even know.

I don't know.

Wouldn't be able to process it.

Hanks in the Black Jeopardy sketch from SNL and you put him in Best in Show.

You have a great time.

Yeah.

Score Sazi or Spielberg?

Spielberg.

Yeah, Spielberg.

What role would philip seymour hoffman have played i thought this was easy i did too actually oh who do you have i had stefan

interesting yeah what did you have i had uh i had uh parker poses husband hamilton swan you just want to recast him

i'd think you would have been good with her i think maybe as much as i loved in pedic trevor beckwith uh with an english accent yeah yeah that

just increasing exasperation that would be really good you know craig you get a flex category i'm gonna go go with the Dan Campbell scale for holy shit, are they really going for this right now?

And it's when Larry Miller, the guy who plays Max,

when he makes Cookie hand the dog off to Gary and then just kisses her right on the mouth in front of everybody.

I was like, oh, damn.

The cookie's to everyone.

Like, dips her.

That's like fourth and ten in the first.

You're like, wow.

Cookie click.

Cookie.

Picky nits.

Again, very hard.

The utility closet's a reach.

That That one almost jumps out of it.

I love that.

I know they had to do it, but it's kind of.

They also drove up in a Winnebago.

Did you not just sleep in the Winnebago?

Can we get room services in here?

Great question.

Could you not just sleep in the Winnebago?

Can we get room service in here?

It's like, you have $34.

You're not getting room service.

That's what we're getting.

I would say, so

we get

the busy bee in the hotel search.

Yes.

We get the pet shop.

scene.

Yeah.

And she comes back and he's like, you've been gone for 30 minutes and you couldn't find it.

I'm like, that she has to have been gone much longer than 30 hours.

Yeah, that's good.

I agreed.

Yeah, that's a great one.

I will posit

that Harlan Pepper of nut naming fame does not name that many nuts.

Sure.

You wanted like 60 nuts?

Well, that's the thing.

Does he say hazelnut?

No.

No.

No, he does.

He says peanut, hazelnut, cashew nut, macadamia nut, pine nut, pistachio nut, red pistachio nut, natural, all-natural, white pistachio nut.

Now, getting three three pistachio nuts is impressive, but he leaves walnut on the table.

No almond, no pecan, no Brazil nut, no chestnut.

We're supposed to be impressed with this.

Aren't also pinnuts technically seeds?

I think pine nuts are seeds.

This is why you're using it.

I just want to go on the record with Harlan, Harlan Pop, Harlan Pepper.

Yeah.

I like the character.

That's clear.

Yeah.

High usage rate was my only point.

He's the only solo character.

Oh, you're like Christopher Guest didn't do a heavy enough enough edit on himself.

Interesting.

I didn't want to say it, but I'll say it.

Okay.

The point is that.

He could have seesaded a little bit.

Everyone else is playing off somebody else, and he's always just kind of like.

Yeah, I like that we have a

single pet owner there because that relationship is very special.

But you're right that these men, there's no other

high usage rate.

Did everybody get a couple shots off?

Find out that Christopher Guest was a baron while doing research for this.

Yes.

I did not.

Said he had a seat in the House of Lords.

He has an official title.

What?

And so does Jamie Lee.

Yeah,

he's Baron Hayden guest and she's Lady Hayden guest.

Is this not a story?

What does that even mean?

His father was like the British diplomat to America and had a seat in the House of Lords.

And so Christopher Guest, but Christopher Guest is like, I refuse to take the seat until they reform.

And then they sort of did a bunch of stuff.

And now he doesn't really have a seat anymore.

But he's still a baron.

He's a baron.

I would say.

And he's married to Jamie Lee Curtis.

So he's winning.

He's like, stays winning.

Christopher Taylor has a seat.

Baron Zemo.

You know, so many of the best.

That's a Marvel joke for you, Bill.

Yeah.

I know.

Right over my head.

One more pick and knit.

Are we sure the Terrier should have won?

All right.

So this is a big talking point.

Can we really get into this?

Was that the best dog?

Short legs.

It's like, whatever.

No, Winky's a great dog.

I won't have you just smirch Winky.

I'm thinking from like the story perspective,

what do we think we're building toward?

Hubert.

We think we're building toward Hubert.

Now, I think the reason I like the Winky choice ultimately is because the movie does such a good job of making clear that Hubert is the dog of the future.

Yeah.

Like he will come back and you

think best in show without question.

Five-star prospect.

Kind of like Lamar Jackson.

Craig, we almost made it through a whole podcast without Bill being mean to me about the Ravens for no reason.

After I suffered enough.

Hubert won three MVPs, but never pulled off the dog show.

But also, doesn't Jerry, doesn't Jerry need a win?

That's it after having been cuckolded the entire time.

And that's why I think Winky is ultimately the choice.

It's because it's just as much a Cookie Jerry family victory as it is a winky victory.

And they're so happy they really need it.

They were staying in the fucking utility closet.

Yeah, that's fair.

I just didn't, I didn't like that.

Now they're celebrities because they got to do three radio interviews.

Hubert winner.

I think it's a solid point.

He's a year away.

Yeah.

He's only two.

Yeah.

Great dog shows ahead of him.

Um,

sequel, prequel, prestige TV all blackcaster untouchable.

Uh, the cookie fleck prequel

sounds amazing.

Oh, yeah.

The sex.

Cookie in high school.

Holy shit.

Cookie in like 1982, just running amok.

Hey, girl.

It's like Fast Times of Ridgebond High multiplied by 80.

Oh, my God.

The roller coaster episode.

Yeah.

The Waitress episode.

Oh, man.

I've had a lot of friends.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson?

No, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs,

or Wilfred Brimley in the firm.

He's got two left features.

I'm sad that Chris is not here to do Romo as

one of the commentators.

That's like...

I actually have a better option than that, though, but you guys go.

I genuinely think Danny Trejo could kill in this film.

Interesting, because he hasn't done that much comedy.

Yeah, but like when he does, he kind of crushes.

And I think he could just like take it really seriously, which is what Christopher Guess asked them to do.

Yeah.

And I think he could actually kill in this film.

I was thinking Sam Jackson.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Maybe not in this, but in the sequel.

But there's a Sam Jackson character that I think would be pretty great.

What kind of dog?

I don't know.

Okay.

I don't know.

We could go.

Because one thing with the dogs in this movie, there weren't enough bigger dogs.

We really had to do that.

It was like a whole category.

Yeah.

I just wish we had.

Yeah.

Because sometimes they'll have like freaking great Danes and like giant ones.

Like, I wonder.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I thought Sam could have done good, though.

I would really enjoy the version of this movie.

Oh, Wayne Jenkins.

Set in Philadelphia where Wayne Jenkins just takes the Amtrak up to Baltimore.

And he's there with his Rottweiler.

And he

would get into the most memorable fight with Hamilton Swan

backstage.

Can you imagine Wayne Jenkins having to escort Hamilton Swan out of the arena?

I just think that would be an absolute thrill.

Didn't know we were dealing with Super Handler.

Yeah.

You better go find Bisaby right now.

You can be loving with him for a long fucking time.

Just one Oscar who gets it.

Christopher Guest.

Are we just talking performance?

Are we talking about length?

It could be anything you want.

Would you do it for directing?

He wrote and directed this movie.

I think screenplay has to be like ineligible, though, because of what we know about the improv.

Best editing.

Best editing.

Editing.

Christopher Guest.

Great call.

That's a fucking good one, man.

You're riding that Sean Baker high right now.

I know you are.

I want to to make the case for catherine o'hara

i think that what she because there are so many extreme performances in the movie i think she is actually

doing something it's all relative of course but kind of understated compared to a lot of the other really heightened caricatures and it is you're saying that with

a with a straight face after watching her wobble her knees

that would be the clip they'd play at the oscars

do want me to give you the best actress in a supporting role for that year please our winner was marsha gay harden and pollock which was oh okay travesty

judy dench judy dench and chuck a lot

that was a weinstein special kate hudson almost famous it was kate's year yeah julie walters billie elliott and the person i think should have won frances mcdorman almost famous frances mcdorman has so many oscars that was unbelievable and almost famous.

She is.

Of course she is.

Rockstar said kidnap my son.

Have you two talked about Almost Famous together?

We've a little bit.

He knows that I'm.

Did you go with Kate over Frances McDorman?

In that film, Penny Lane?

Yeah.

Kate Edson's great.

You can't do that, Rewatchables, without Juliet.

She will never forgive you.

Just get them both together.

The first time I ever talked to Bill about anything, you were at home and you had Almost Famous like ephemera behind you.

you had like still water stuff behind you, yeah.

And I was talking about almost famous, and you said to me, You could never do almost famous on rewatchables because it would be the end of the feature, the end of your team because people would quit if they weren't on that.

And we might have to just do two or three different pods just released all at the same time, like the heat reached.

Like an alternate broadcast,

and they have like different announcing teams, yeah.

Francis McDorman

and Almost Famous is incredible.

But I have this thing where, like, if someone already has an Oscar, but she hadn't won it.

Oh, she's won one AF for her Yeah, so for example, Timothy Chalamet should have won instead of Adrian Brody.

Absolutely correct.

But like,

that was a pivot point in Kate's career.

If she had won the Oscar that year, a pivot point to do fucking rom-coms.

No, but I'm saying she wouldn't have had to do rom-coms.

She could have continued to do rom-coms.

She could have continued to do incredible things like the four feathers.

I enjoyed a lot of Kate's work.

I just thought the mom's amazing in that movie.

She's so amazing.

She's

every moment she's in that movie.

What a film.

Great one.

Who are you picking for for your Oscar?

Russell Hammond.

I'm picking Fred Willard.

Yeah.

For best supporting actor.

But I really like the,

I like your, your, that O'Hara take's really good.

I almost want to switch my pick.

I'm with Craig.

Best actor supporting role that year was Del Toro one for traffic.

Jeff Bridges for the contender, who's great, who is like the perfect president.

Willem Dafoe, Shadow the Vampire, Albert Finney, Aaron Brockovich, he's really good in that.

And then Phoenix and Gladiator, which

toughest category to criticize.

That's a crowded field right there.

I like your, I think Miles right.

I think that's the picture.

Catherine O'Hara?

I did the math I did with myself was Catherine O'Hara for Oscar and not to spoil it, but Willard for who won the movie.

So instead of the Oscar.

The case for

Catherine O'Hara again for that and Parker Posey for that, honestly.

Well, you also have to do the who else could have played these people

game.

Right.

And I think those are the two that I think are like, I don't think anyone else could do what they do in the movie.

I think Levy, too, Eugene Levy, like.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah.

Parker Posey.

Parker Posey.

And Jennifer Coolidge and James Lynch.

It's true.

Like, it's just really hard to.

Their wars are all so hot.

Yeah.

It's a great movie.

You love that.

It's one of your favorite baseball stats.

Yep.

Probably unanswerable questions.

Boy, this is a fun one.

What was Fred Willard's character's name?

Buck Laughlin?

Yeah.

Was he one of the first me to's you think

first first win i mean fred willard himself had his own oh did he i forgot that

oh man um oh my god posy

so posy posits this in the oral history about how she wore all these capes and cloaks and beiges

and all the colors that felt and looked like Beatrice as the movie went on.

That's what's so fun about the movie is how people are like their dogs and they look like their dogs.

And she goes, I mean, Coolidge is like a poodle.

Do you believe people start to look like they're dogs?

Unanswerable question.

I do, but more importantly, I think people tend to gravitate towards dogs that match their

vibe and energy.

Yeah, they pick the dog that reminds them of them in the first place because people are inherently narcissistic.

Correct.

You think that's what it is?

Definitely.

Yeah.

Because I really, I mean, do you think your dogs match your energy?

No, but I'm just used to golden retrievers because that's what my dad always had.

But I don't know that there's really no other reason.

You do occasionally have golden retriever energy in a positive way.

You're just sort of like, look how happy you were when I just said that.

And you were like, I do.

They're great dogs.

Beloved by all.

Yeah.

What would be a bad energy dog?

Great name.

Uh, bad energy dog.

I think all buzz dogs are great.

Wow.

Joanna was ready to just send astray toward the buzzer community.

See, little dogs, we'll never have another little dog.

I don't like the barker.

I don't like the barking.

A yipping.

The yipping

bark is like a

mouth.

Goldens are cool.

Although we have one of the only like semi-unfriendly goldens ever right now.

But COVID, though, you have a lot of like hair that gets everywhere.

How do you manage that?

That's true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The English goldens are a little better.

Less hairy.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Everyone I know who has a golden, like their

furniture or their cars are just like covered in fur all the time.

You got to stay on it.

Any other problem answerables for you?

Very few.

Yeah.

I'd like to ask you for the Vegas odds, how heavy of a favorite was Rhapsody and White heading into this like minus 400 on FanDuel.

Whoa, two-time winner, minus whole armada behind her, most money behind her,

Christy Cummings, best trainer in the country.

They're heavy favorites, they're smoothing with the judges.

That's my next unanswerable question.

So, Buck says, Let me ask you this: money ever exchange hands?

Trevor's, of course,

offended and wounded by this, but we saw Christie try to whine and dine with milbank so did money well they actually exchange hands no because milbank was like holding the line but ever do you think christy ever well they throw the party every year which is not

kind of it is it is there's

a 100 party with that ice thing yes um so did someone sabotage cookie with the carpet did somebody put something down you know i rewound that a couple times yeah that's all comes out of nowhere it's a borderline nitpick because it's like it's she doesn't even trip on anything

Okay.

All right.

So you think that was pure, not sabotage?

Great.

How many tapes did Jerry and Cookie sell?

You think they're on anybody's Spotify wrapped in the future?

I don't.

No, you don't think they made it big.

But do you think Scott and Stefan made it big with the calendar business?

Yes.

I think so.

I think that's a home run.

Especially if in the future they did other people's pets.

Like you can put your own pet in a calendar.

That's the business.

What a great idea.

That's the business.

Oh, my God.

So they give you the filter or the shell and you can put your pets in the cow.

Oh, my God.

That's a billion-dollar idea right there.

I'm sure it exists.

If it doesn't, get on it right after this.

That's a great one.

Did American Bitch last into the digital era?

What do you think?

I had a cookie tapes thing, though.

I think she was on some tapes.

They just weren't music tapes.

Yep.

I think there was some vintage stuff from the 80s that she was on.

And she would be very proud of it.

Couldn't have been more pleased that there was

some of her best work.

There's actually a Moira Room.

I love that.

That sounds great.

Oh, my God.

We talked about already, but did Beatrice thrive without the swans?

I like to think she did.

I like to think that Beatrice went on and lived a full life.

Phil thinks she went to the farm.

I don't like that.

What was Cookie's actual number?

That's my last one for unanswerable questions.

You know, when she said

hundreds.

Hundreds.

Do we think that's like hundreds twice?

350 people?

Like,

how old was Cookie, do we think?

In her 40s.

42, 43.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And how long do we think she'd been with Jerry?

Oh, it was like eight or 10.

They met at a dance.

Yeah.

So she's early 30s.

So that gives her about 15 years.

Yeah, possibly.

15 years.

Yeah.

Go like 50 a year.

So we're in like the 600 range.

That sounds low to me.

50 a year?

So what do you think of this?

But she's in a small town, though.

At some point, you're going to run out of people.

But the fact that she's running into people.

She's made her way around the country.

Yeah.

I don't think we're limiting this to state borders.

All right, if it's you think it's a thousand, you think she had a thousand.

If it's 75 a year for 15 years, that gets us to a thousand.

And I love that for her.

Good for her.

She's living a great life, and I'm thrilled for her.

Well, it sounds like she had like a trick.

She had like a calling card.

You never forget the legs behind the

memorable, yeah, a memorable sexual encounter.

That's very, that's clear.

Yeah.

But then,

you know, Jerry Fleck

with her heart.

Locked it down with his two left feet.

It's kind of a Casanova himself.

What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie?

It's clearly Busy Bee.

It has to be Busy B.

If I brought Busy Bee in right now and said I bought it from an auction nine years ago, you'd have a stroke.

Yeah, I'd die.

If it's not Busy Bee, it might be the traveling quilt that they nail up behind their bed in the hotel room.

They're only there for two nights and they brought their quilt from home to hang out behind the bed.

There's one other thing: the giant-framed American Bitch magazine.

We're going to pick that.

Yeah.

American Bitch, the dog magazine for women and their dogs.

Great title.

So good.

Also, anything

in the Swan household, everything they have there is like from the Sharper Image catalog.

So any of the vintage Sharper Image items in there, the massage chair, something like that, the kickboxing dummy.

Very sight you pointed out.

Very alarming.

Yeah.

Coach Finstock Award for best life lesson.

I mean, there's a lesson, which is we need more mockumentaries.

The life lesson would be, hey, even if you have two left feet oh just hope in sight that's really sweet

i like that i was gonna say you never know when you're needed in a dog show if you get the chance to cookie google men you

what about always have a backup of your pet or child's favorite toy yeah don't leave home without oh that's really especially go no dog show multiple busy you can never pack too many kimonos correct that's another life lesson yes certainly we have this wishbone toy for murph and we have like nine of them there you go yeah and then sometimes they'll just yeah triple down on the wishbones we do that with halo's mint Mintstick.

Yeah.

Cannot risk running out of a minstick.

My youngest cousin had this like puffy and there were like nine different puffies and they were all bedraggled.

Because it turns out pets are dumb and they don't know there's multiple versions.

That is not true.

Best double feature choice.

Why don't make it a marathon?

Do Waiting for Guffman.

I had Guffman.

Mighty Wins.

I think you go Guffman here.

I like that.

It's just two.

If we're allowed to mix movies and TV, I would like to go from this right into a Schitt's Creek re-watch.

We're not allowed.

Who won the movie?

I can't decide between, I think it's Higgins.

Higgins, Posey, O'Hara, and Willard.

I just can't decide.

They're all incredible.

It's

for me, it's Higgins or Willard, but I think it's Willard because he's more known for how good he was in the movie than Higgins is.

Higgins is like the stealth.

I've seen this movie so many times choice.

But Willard's like, people kind of know this.

Yeah, that's true.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like if you see clips from this movie, it's him.

Or it's or it's somebody mentioning him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Big moment.

Producer Craig.

He's missed a couple.

He's been traveling.

He's busy.

And this is your time.

Oh.

And this is your first time watching it.

That's right.

Yeah.

This is one of Liz's favorite movies.

And I don't know.

I can't believe I missed the best in show

wave.

I don't know why.

I've like always known about it.

I've always been circling it.

Very happy I got to watch it.

I mean, I thought it was hilarious.

Every character is worthy of their own movie, honestly.

Like you could have every, you could have a spin-off for every single character.

what one thing i think this comedy does really well that most don't is

third acts of comedies are usually the worst part of every comedy movie and it's the exact opposite in this film like i think it actually builds suspense and stays funny which is incredibly hard especially with improv and i think in general with improv i think it's definitely the purest form of comedy and watching it work is better than watching something scripted work.

It's like I was telling Joe and Mal earlier.

It's like sports, where watching professionals play sports is like watching professionals do improv, where the amateur version of it is truly unwatchable.

Like bad improv is terrible, but good improv is better than scripted comedy, in my opinion.

So I absolutely love this.

I do worry about, as Mal pointed out, I am 30.

I'm not, I'm not 20.

So I don't really represent Gen Z, but Bill, I kind of think this comedy is for adults, not because of necessarily the subject matter, but I don't know if a 15-year-old, like, I think a 15-year-old would like Anchorman.

I don't know if a 15-year-old would like this this movie, and I don't even really know why.

I think you're right, it's a little bit more mature, yeah.

But it's not even the subject matter, it's, I mean, it's PG, yeah, but for some reason, I don't know if it translates down to like teens.

The only thing I worried about it was whether because the dog community is so weird and in so many different places on social media now, it's like people have a better handle on it.

So, this movie seems less.

This movie seems less weird if you just are on Instagram Reels for an hour.

i just also this movie made 20 million dollars in america in two in the year 2000 with no big star in it yeah which is just like 20 million is more than a nora or a brutalist made domestically is that true yeah yeah oh my god that's wild that's unbelievable that's great did you have any rocky thoughts while you're here i mean i love rocky i've seen it a million times i do think it's like austin powers one though where when you go back and watch it you're like wow this is way slower than i remember it being in my head and two three and four actually move a bit quicker yeah

Also, this movie is the greatest that guy movie of all time, I think.

Yeah.

Best in show.

It's Hall of Fame.

Because I think, as you know, I think your guys' bar for who qualifies as a that guy is way too fucking high.

Like Ed Begley is a that guy.

Like every normal person in the world does not know it's Ed Begley.

Fred.

Come on.

You guys got John Michael Higgins, Fred Willard.

John Michael Higgins is a that guy.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

I would even the average person, I would say, could not just immediately name Catherine O'Hara.

That is not.

That's not true true after Shit's Creed.

We work at the Ringer.

We work at the Ringer.

After Shitz.

That's not true.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Well, no, he's making it.

It's a fair case that normal people.

No, not after Shit's Creed.

No.

Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara.

It's one of the most popular beloved shows of the last decade.

And she's the mom.

But when this movie came out.

What was the movie?

When this movie came out?

Okay.

Just a movie.

Yeah, when this movie came out.

Yeah.

Everybody was a that guy in this movie.

Except for.

Yes.

Yeah.

I don't know.

But we are recording this podcast in 2025.

I just always love when it's like, is Bob Balaban or that guy?

No, he's Bob Bob Balaban.

I'm like, there's no normal person who's like, that's Bob Balaban.

I love Bob Balaban.

Oh, man.

Severance star, Bob Balaban?

It's valuable stuff.

See in Severance too?

All these people are bad guys.

Wait, there's one more thing I saw

like researching this movie.

Did you know that Ariana Grande is a massive fan of this film?

Attracts.

Really?

She did a YouTube parody with her friend and co-star from the TV show she was on.

Was it Victorious?

I forget the name of it.

Cat and something, right?

Oh, maybe it was that one.

But they do a 10-minute remake, like a recreation where she plays Jennifer Coolidge because she can obviously do that impression.

And she also plays Jerry.

And her co-star plays Cookie and

Max.

And it's hilarious.

And it made me think that there should be a full remake of this movie with a completely different plot and younger new actors.

How dare you?

It wouldn't be about a dog show.

It's just like Christopher Christopher Guest doing something like this again with like we should be ushering in a new young cast.

Yes, yeah, to try to do the movie.

Yeah, that would be great.

But a remake?

Well, it's a review.

Well, it's like in the universe.

In the universe.

I would like that.

I would like to be in the world, but also to check in with the characters.

Like, what are the flex up to?

I mean, I would love later.

Yeah.

See, I don't want that.

I hate the rehashing.

No, but what if we did that?

What if we did Bess and Show 2 called Flex and mature porn?

But like our original cast members could be around.

Maybe Cookie and Jerry run the dog show or something and you can check in with that.

Exactly.

Yeah.

The Cobra KyCop is a good one.

Last question.

Yeah.

Did who is Liz Kelly's favorite character in this movie?

Who did she laugh at the most?

I would say Catherine O'Hara hurting her knee was out there.

And then honestly, we both died at Max berating his son on the shed.

Just me.

Just me alone on this island.

That's fine.

It's just so good.

It's so good.

That guy's the perfect cast for that role.

Incredible.

All right.

That's it for the rewatchables produced by Craig Rorbeck.

You can watch it as a video on Spotify.

You can watch it on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel as well.

You can see these two on House of R.

Yeah.

And on Prestige.

That's right.

White Lotus, as we're taping this.

So this will run on Mondays.

There have been

four episodes heading toward a monster fifth episode on a show we like very much.

Thanks, guys.

See you to see you.