‘Over The Top’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

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We're doing Over the Top with Sylvester Stallone.

It came out in 1987.

We're going to be able to talk about it in one second, like it is the most important movie of all time, which it might be.

I got to be honest.

But there's certain movies they just have the scent of Kyle Brandt.

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It's the smell of bubblegum.

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So we're going to dive into Over the Top in one second.

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So there you go.

Let's talk over the top with Kyle Brandt.

Craig, play the trailer.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the On Wrestling World Championship competition.

All I want to to was hurting, crippling.

The switch goes on, I'll chill like the sheep.

The talk is over.

Now the action begins.

Back off, I'm going to give you a whirl of hurt, little man.

You want it?

Sylvester Stallone.

I owe you.

Come on.

Over the top, Freddy PG.

Soon.

Okay, Kyle Bran is here, and we have been circling this movie ever since you and I got to know each other.

Oh, yeah.

Was this number one on the list?

What was number one on the list for us to do?

Is this way up there?

You know what's great, Bill?

It was either this or Cobra.

It was one of the two.

And I feel like those are cousins, if not brothers.

So we've got them.

Made by the same production company, a year apart, over the top, came out in 1987, immediately became known as the greatest arm wrestling, truck driving, divorce movie anyone's ever made.

I don't know what the competition is.

Kramer versus Kramer crossed with the champ, crossed with Rocky, crossed with arm wrestling.

Want to start there?

Yeah, there's a legendary Hollywood story that in an early draft of Kramer versus Kramer, Dustin Hoff and Meryl Streep arm wrestle, and that's how they decided, but they decided to cut it and they went with something more authentic.

I wish they would have stuck with it.

We can start there.

I'm also kind of in a bad mood, Bill, because I wanted to set up a pulley system for this pod where I can work my shoulder while we pod, but I couldn't pull it off in time and it kept falling down.

It's just one of the many pull-ups.

I just turned that off.

It just had not even mentioned it.

And you were just doing one-arm pull-ups the whole time.

I tried, man.

I tried.

So, did all the truck drivers have that back then?

Yeah, I don't know how the Department of Transportation would feel about their truck drivers taking 18-wheelers on the highway while getting in a shoulder burn, but Sly knows how to come up with cool stuff like that.

It's one of my favorite parts of this movie.

So, Sly in the mid-80s, 85 to 87, does Rambo 2, Rocky 4, Cobra, and over the top in the span of two years.

And we covered this in Cobra.

Sly hit a point before Cobra where if he's releasing a movie, it was the single most exciting person who could release a movie in like 1986, even after Cobra, still super exciting.

This time, he does everything we just mentioned with the arm wrestling, truck driving, divorce name, but with a little kid.

with him that needs to be slapped the entire movie.

It's the first one ever where you're rooting for father son abuse so it just can you just backhand this kid once can he do something but he doesn't um i think what's interesting kyle is that yeah rainbow to rocky four cobra and over the top he's giving the same performance in each movie that's great i had this built like i have it written down does sly do any acting in this movie does he even do a single fucking moment of acting and that includes a moment like right out of the final day of drama school where he is confronted with the news suddenly that his wife is dead and he just goes like oh

he doesn't act for the whole movie he makes no choices it's nothing he scales it back this really started with rainbow too and then he's just like i wonder if i can just do this for the next few years

I think he realized eventually it was a mistake because in Tango and Cash, he tries to be like kind of jovial, sarcastic, sly, puts like glasses on and a suit, cliffhanger.

it's a version of this character but it's also uh we want to see the pain and but in this it's just clear it's it's a paycheck movie this was also the first stallone movie that lost money i think since victory he'd been on a hot streak where he was at least breaking even or making shitloads of money people did not like this movie it led to a

a slide for our guy yeah Where does it take us?

It goes bad places.

Give me the rundown because I love mid-80s Stallone.

It's like, it's some of his worst, best movies.

And it's when obviously no one was checking him on anything.

Like, Sly, it's just your world.

Make whatever you want, say whatever you want.

In Cobra, get a slice of pizza out of the freezer and cut it with scissors for no reason.

Just do whatever you want.

But it goes bad from here.

Give me the rundown after this.

I don't know where you got the over-the-top hat.

What's going on up there?

Yeah, I got the over-theop hat.

I got the exact hat.

In fact, I probably should have turned it around right to start the pod.

But yeah, I have the hat.

So, where would you buy that on like a, where'd you get it?

Website?

EBA?

Here's what it was.

Last year in the NFL world, over the top was huge because of Tyson Bagent, the Bears quarterback, whose dad, Travis Bagent, was like a real life bull hurler, Lincoln Hawk.

So last year in Good Morning Football, I was Lincoln Hawk for Halloween.

So I found it online.

Like if you Google Lincoln Hawk hat, there's a whole bunch of them out there.

So I got it and I cherish it.

I mean, there's a lot of reasons why you're on this podcast, but that has to be in the top three that you're just saying, oh, yeah, I have the over-the-top hat.

Yeah, sure.

So Rambo 3, 1988,

which made almost $200 million, but was bad.

Lockup, $24 million spent, $22 brought in.

I like lockup and don't think we probably won't be seeing it on the rewatchables at some point.

Tango Cash, we've already done rewatchables, broke even.

Rocky 5 spent 42, made 120, but even Stallone now is like,

I hate that movie.

That's why I made Rocky Balboa.

We had to, I ruined the framework.

Oscar spent 35 million, made 24.

That was 1991.

And then Stop or My Mom Will Shoot.

Yep.

Cost $45 million and somehow made $71 million, which I don't really understand.

But by that, it's over.

Estelle Getty from Golden Girls, they liked their.

Can I ask you a question, Bill?

For over the top, when you re-watched it for this pod, when was the last time you had seen it prior, prior to the rewatch?

Because for me, it had been a very, very long time.

Unfair question because it's on Pluto and Tubi and cable a lot.

And you clicked.

If we're getting close to the arm wrestling scene, it's like we might be in Vegas within 10 minutes.

I'm probably sticking around for, I think the last 35 minutes of this movie is unassailably great.

It's awesome.

I'll defend it to the death.

Great.

First 55, 60 is rough.

I'm not going to lie.

It's rough.

It's tough.

I can only imagine producer Craig at like the 45-minute mark going, what are we doing?

How is this a rewatchables movie?

But then it just becomes amazing.

Yeah.

I hadn't seen it in so long.

I watched it a ton as a kid and then a lot in high school.

I had literally been over 10 years since I'd seen the movie before the Rewatchable.

And on my rewatch, I was like.

God, this is fucking tough to get this kid won't shut up and there's so little arm wrestling.

It's just that sweet, sweet nectar of the final 30, 35 minutes makes it all worth it.

It's very similar to the Rocky 2 blueprint.

Where Rocky II, the first six minutes, is just Rocky 1 again, the end of Rocky 1.

Then it's got that Frank Stallone.

And they're driving to the hospital.

We get, Creed goes into the hospital room.

Yeah.

She gave me my, your best.

I did.

And then it's like, cool.

And then for an hour and a half, it's awful.

Long way.

And then she comes out of coma.

It's great.

That's this movie.

This movie's bad really for about 40 minutes.

And then the payoff is unbelievable.

Is this the unintentionally funniest alone movie for you?

I can't get there.

Cobra is still number one.

Yeah.

It's Marion Cobretti.

It's just with the gun tucked into the waistband and the snake on the gun.

That's the best, but this is still very funny.

Him fighting a cult.

And Cobra.

A cult that stands for things that we're just apparently not going to find out about during the movie.

So they stand for banging axes together, and that's it.

And they have a knife that has spikes on it, and that's all you need.

And there's a laser gun, and it's awesome.

It's still Cobra.

I would, I would, Bill, at some point, I would re-Cobra if we really needed to re-cobra.

A double Cobra?

I'd double down.

I would.

So Lincoln Hawk, he does dispense some advice in this movie.

Yeah, go on.

You were born to win, but to be a winner, you must plan to win, prepare to win, and expect to win.

I wish somebody would tell Nick Siriani that.

Hey, heyo.

All I can say is I made a mistake.

I know that.

You know, sometimes that happens in life.

We all make mistakes, but it won't happen again.

I wish Nick Siriani would say that after whatever happened at halftime.

I mean, this was the enduring advice of the movie.

The world meets nobody halfway.

When you want something, you got to take it.

Now, what's weird is Kenny Loggins does this song for this movie called Meet Me Halfway.

Across the sky.

Which is diametrically opposed to the list of the movie.

It's like the world meets nobody halfway.

And then Kenny Loggins like, meet me halfway.

So did he know?

Did they fuck up in the translation?

What happened?

That's a great point.

Kenny didn't even really get the idea that, no, no, no, Ken.

Don't meet me halfway.

That should have been the title.

Yeah, don't meet me halfway.

And it's obviously that Stallone feels so strongly about it.

It's as if he saw the world doesn't meet meet you halfway, like sewn on a pillow somewhere.

Yeah.

And he was just like, well, it's fucking mind-blowing.

I want to make a whole movie based on it.

And he says it six times, the songs in the movie 50 times.

And it's like, listen, it's fine.

It's not like the most poetic thing I've ever heard in my life.

I don't even know if it's true, but he loved it, obviously.

And that's why we're here.

Don't.

The world meets nobody halfway means you have to

take the bull by the horns.

you got to go you got no no half measures like you're not going to get any breaks from life you got to do everything yourself it's really cheesy it's and the fact is bills what's funny about your reference is that i know for a fact that nick siriani is a huge sliced alone guy like huge he loves the rocky movies he wears like rocky t-shirts philadelphia all that stuff so i bet he has seen this movie 50 times and has probably told the eagles that life doesn't meet you halfway i bet probably after the game yesterday the other lincoln hawk advice is turning your hat around gives you strength i don't know if you want to do that when we get to most rewatchable scenes but it's like a super it's a superpower so stallone did not like the movie after it came out um distanced himself from it a little bit said later if he directed he would have set the movie in a more urban environment, dumped the pop music, and made the Las Vegas finale more ominous, which I don't even know what that means.

There's a reason he made this movie.

They offered him $12 million,

which was a record.

So people talk about Demi Moore with strip tees, which made 20 million.

People are like, oh my God, 20 million.

And she Stallone broke every record with the 12 million.

And the story behind it was they are, and there's this great documentary we're going to talk about in a second, but they offer Stallone 10 million.

And the agent goes, 10 million.

He wouldn't even do it for 12.

And they're like, well, what about 12?

And the agent's like, okay, fine, 12.

So Stallone signs up for 12.

Stallone said years later, Menachem Golan kept offering me more and more money until I finally thought, what the hell?

No one will see it.

Little did he know, 37 years later, we'd be doing an hour and a half long podcast about it.

Damn right.

But the key to this is

Golan and Globus,

the producers.

Golan directs it.

So they made a documentary about these guys, which I asked you to watch.

You can find Amazon.

It is called Electric Boogaloo, The Story of Canon Films or something like that.

And what I didn't realize, because we'd seen them in these things and we've talked about them in past rewatchables, we were like, was this an Israeli arms dealer like front?

These weren't real people.

Not only were these real people, Golan was the father of Israeli cinema.

And then, for whatever reason, moves into the 80s into softcore and action movies.

And they just make so many movies over the 80s, so many movies that I had no idea they made.

They made 31 movies in 1987.

They made Last American Virgin, Runaway Train, Barfly, Street Smart.

Those were the good ones.

They also made Bo Derek and Bolero.

They made all the Lady Chatterly Lovers movies.

They did multi-part movie deals with Chuck Norris and Charles Bronson.

So three Deathwish movies, three missing in actions.

I can go on and on.

But did you watch the documentary?

I asked you to.

Did I watch it, Bill?

I can give you the tagline for The Last American Virgin, which is see it or you'll be it.

And I'm like, that's fucking witty as hell.

I'm ready to do rewatchables on Lemon Popsicle.

Anytime you're ready, we can do the Lemon Popsicle pod.

It would be a great one.

Bring Van on.

I want to do it with him.

That movie is horny as hell.

I love that doc.

It was,

if you're listening and like Canon Films doesn't quite register for you, like a shitload of movies that you care about, like Van Damme movies and Stallone movies.

And then they did the Dolphin D-Man movies,

all that stuff.

Like cool action movies that matter in this batshit dock that is required watching, I think, now.

Yeah, you don't see a lot of movie studios embrace a philosophy and their philosophy was nudity and action those are our sweet spots they made uh i i didn't remember this but they made a futuristic musical in 1980 called the apple which was set in 2025 tel aviv and they showed clips from it in documentary and it's out and out flat out insane they thought it was going to be their tommy right he was trying to model it after like futuristic tommy didn't work um and then that just led to this crazy action softcore run they had and they definitely had a business model and they were always borrowing money and always

basically ponzi scheming it yeah leading to over the top where it's like all right we need we got we have to get a bigger star than chuck norris charles bronson those guys are getting old let's get sly they fund cobra and get him to do over the top which for some reason goalan's like you know what this is so important i'm going to direct this one And even though it only directed like three movies.

And the writer tells this great story about over the top, whereas the credits roll and Lincoln Hawks holding up his son.

He's like, and I was crying.

I had tears coming out of my eyes.

And the producer goes, ha ha, I got you.

I got you.

And he goes, I'm crying because I know my career is over.

But he's full of shit.

We like over the top, right?

Yeah.

I'm still into it.

That story really hurt my feelings.

Same.

You know what I learned?

First of all, it's hilarious.

They made Superman 4, which is one of the worst movies ever made.

And you understand why why it formed the thing.

It was supposed to be 30 million.

They ran out of money and they made it for like 15 million.

And they're just cutting corners left and right.

But what I realized when I watched that documentary, which I really loved, I would highly encourage people, if you like the rewatchables, I promise you'll like that movie.

We need a 2024 version of these guys.

Go talk about it.

Just let's let's have somebody take back the softcore/slash auction action and just be like, I've done a five-year five-movie deal with Gerard Butler

and

I've locked down Pam Anderson.

She's making a comeback.

Like that, those people should exist.

I don't know why we don't have that anymore.

This was so 80s.

It's just everything about the 80s feels illegal and druggy and just like every single idea is bad.

I loved it.

I really missed it.

Even when you watch the doc, you're not actually watching the actual movies, but even in the dock, there's just so many boobs.

It's just

unbelievable.

So much nudity.

Yeah.

And

that's undefeated.

There's always a market for that.

There's nudity, and they, and part of the doc is them explaining, them telling the actors why there has to be nudity in a scene, but it's like a sword fight scene outside, and somebody's shirt gets ripped off.

It's like, I guess I'm going to have to keep fighting with Faye Dunaway.

She's risking some lady who's naked.

And they're like, this is great.

Keep going.

Take three.

It's an awesome documentary.

Anyway, this movie, $25 billion budget, that includes the 12 to Sly.

And it made 16 million.

So Golan Globus, yet again, this is one of the reasons they were eventually defunct.

It came out in President's Day weekend the same weekend as Mannequin with Andrew McCarthy.

Hell yeah.

Which beat it in the theaters.

They lost the mannequin with Andrew McCarthy.

And Kim Cattrall.

Bill, did you see Over the Top in the Theater?

Oh, who are you talking to?

Of course I saw Over the Top in the Theater.

What do you remember?

Pure joy.

I loved it.

It was great.

Did you see Mannequin?

I saw my boxes.

Did not see mannequin theater.

A child of divorce, giant Stallone fan, always kind of liked arm wrestling.

I remember they did a really good job of the marketing leading up to it.

Like, I, and I looked for this on YouTube.

I couldn't find it, but I remember watching an ESPN segment on Sports Center about it.

Inside sports, it was like kind of, it was after John Walsh had left, the magazine was falling apart, but they did a big spread on it.

And it's like, is arm wrestling the new craze?

Oh, cool.

So it had some of that.

It was like, first we had pro wrestling.

Now here comes arm wrestling.

And I was buying in.

I was like, where's this going?

And the answer was nowhere.

Well, now we have Dana White lets people slap each other in the face without defending themselves.

So we have that.

And that's always fun.

Yeah.

What's that called?

The CTE League?

I think that is what they call it on the slap league.

I don't watch it.

It's not my thing.

I, as you know, I'll watch just about anything.

And even I don't watch the slap league.

Yeah, but that would be, if they did this movie in 2024, it would be built around the slap league.

Imagine Bull Hurley just winding up and slapping Link across the face, he's just unconscious on the floor.

There's no coming, you can't defend yourself.

That's the whole point.

Well,

or they're in the truck with his son, and is he's just having his son just wail and hit him in the face over and over again to prepare for the tournament instead of the weightlifting things.

Yo, Mike, just hit me, hit me, just whack me.

Roger Ebert did not review this movie, yeah.

Probably not.

Him and him and Siskel did a whole four-minute thing that's on YouTube and they excoriate it.

Thumbs down.

Yeah.

Hebert actually says, One of the questions I had during this movie was why Stallone didn't haul off and belt that kid.

The actual equal of that.

Yeah.

Belt that kid.

And then he said, I would have liked this movie better if they'd forgotten about the wife and the son and the grandfather and Stallone and concentrate on the arm wrestling.

So basically, he's like, throw away the first hour.

Yeah.

Siskel says the kid is cloying, obnoxious, just not a good actor.

Kids like 10.

He's just getting annihilated on PB.

The kid is a pretty good actor.

I think the character sucks.

Yeah, it's poorly written.

He does an okay job.

And then that was enough.

They came back for their worst of 1987 show.

Oh, they do that.

And then they double-dipped and went back in on how bad Over the Top was.

So

this was not a critically acclaimed movie.

It was considered a bust by Stallone purposes, and yet,

as so often happens with the rewatchables,

started to make the rotation, it started to show up on cable, and then it was like, Oh, and then it just, and I know all the beats.

And the key is when that Sammy Hagar song comes on, and it suddenly becomes one of the best movies of the 80s.

When it takes it all,

it's awesome!

It's so good!

Um,

ah, watch with broken eyes till it's time to take it all away.

Yay!

Yeah!

And if nobody's seen it, Bill sent me the music video, which is a Sam Diagger music video with the movie clips in it.

And it's great.

Hagar's playing guitar barefoot with like the fans blowing on him.

It's a great watch.

Watch out.

And he's like Arm Wrestling Stallone.

It's probably better than the movie, to be honest.

It's good.

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So, rewatchable scenes.

Yeah.

Hawks' first arm wrestling scene.

They had to get it out of the way.

Let's go.

What, 12 minutes in?

He's at a diner.

He's just picked up his kid from military school.

The kid's a complete dick.

Hey, let's go get some food.

Just happens to be the place all the arm wrestlers are hanging out for some reason.

Gets challenged.

Bull is there or

he's there just,

I don't know, doing a podcast.

Maybe he's preparing for his live show that night.

And

just a lot of taunting.

We get to see Sly do his thing does the hat turn does the over the top where do you stand on the over the top move i didn't want to do this later i feel like we have to do this now what was he the only person who did this it seems high degree of difficulty you're basically giving all your leverage away for two seconds i couldn't have said it better i've always wondered this he as he's a being pushed down and stopping the pushdown with his four fingers and thumb for some reason he takes two of his fingers and sacrifices that leverage leverage which doesn't make sense to me i feel like that would be a a death knell for you.

Yeah, wouldn't they immediately just yeah, you're basically holding him up with your ring finger and your pinky, then you'd be totally screwed.

I don't get it, right?

He's starting to do the over-the-top, and the person he's fighting is going, oh, he's doing it.

I'm just going to hammer.

Yeah, that's it.

For some reason, it's completely unstoppable.

Uh, and then his kid does it, and he even works on Bull Hurley.

But the scene you're talking about is, is the first one.

It's when we get to meet the smasher, who I fucking, if Crystal Meth was a human being, it would be the smasher.

He looks exactly like exactly all that entails.

And I also feel like that scene with The Smasher Bill has a little bit of the, to me, the action is the juice.

Like they went to the Smasher, and like, you're going to do a scene of dialogue with Sylvester Stallone.

That's fucking rocky over there.

Like, really bring it.

And Smasher's turned up to 50 out of 10 for that thing, just tweaking.

And it always amuses me.

Yeah, they might have not even given him some cocaine.

They might have given him all the cocaine.

Just do another one, Smasher.

Stick your face in this pile of cocaine, and then we're gonna film this scene.

And Hawk goes, uh, well, don't believe everything you hear.

And he goes, I don't, I don't believe it.

I can take you.

And I was like, Jesus, Smasher, take it easy.

Man, well, we also have Hurley coming over after being like, you ain't got a prayer in Vegas

right now, double or nothing.

What do you say?

Let's just wait for Vegas.

Come on, let's do it now.

I feel like kicking some ass.

Let's wait till Vegas, okay?

You ain't got a prayer in Vegas.

We'll see

Too bad your old man's yellow kid

I'll see you in Vegas

He says all of his lines like he's being interviewed by Vince McMahon in the mid-80s

You ain't got a prayer in Vegas Ted DBSI, you and Virgil don't have a prayer at SummerSlam.

It's like that.

In Hartford, Connecticut on July 28th, you're a dead man.

All right, so that's one scene.

I'm going to skip basically all the father-son scenes with these two.

Please do.

I wouldn't think any of them are re-watchable.

It's a little fun to watch the kid try to drive a truck when Celeste says, no, no, milkshake fills.

But for the most part, pretty grim.

Yeah, it's tough.

We have the kid just trying to escape and running across the highway.

Yep.

I don't know if you've seen, there's a YouTube video, and I was upset.

It only had 15,000 views.

It's called Molester Stallone.

And it's overseen it, but I watched it when you said it, so yeah, I've seen it.

It's an over-the-top remake of Sly Stallone.

Basically, it's a child abduction movie thriller with Sly Stallone just with scenes cut from this.

And it's actually great work.

I was upset it didn't have more views.

Our next big scene, though, is Mike's big arm wrestling scene

where he takes on.

It's funny you said the Crystal Meth thing before because the kid that he arm wrestles, I wrote down was Crystal Meth Zappa.

He's Crystal Meth Johnny Lawrence.

He's just got this spiked out hair.

He looks zonked out.

He's on, he feels like he's on some sort of drug or he had too much soda.

Not sure what.

And Mike Hawk has no chance against this kid and somehow defeats him.

Mike Hawk has zero chance.

I have it written down as that kid as the hills have eyes kid who is just likes like a poster for in being inbred and like that you just mentioned at the end so first of all they do if the one out they do a best out of three mike hawk gets destroyed in the first one And then like there's this Kakamami thing where Stallone gives him a speech about believing in himself and then suddenly he can beat him twice in a row.

Like this isn't boxing.

It's just pure strength against strength.

He would get destroyed every single time by that kid.

I think it's the third time the kid kid cries in the movie, and we're like a half hour in, maybe less.

Loses,

I bet Lincoln was hoping he would.

It's a better movie.

Um, he loses the first fall out of three, yeah, starts crying, runs out.

Yeah, Stallone chases him, and the kid goes, All you wanted to do was embarrass me.

Well, you did it, okay?

Grandfather always said you were a loser.

Now you're trying to make me one, and I hate you for it.

I don't, what's the response to that slap it's the 80s it's the 80s at least like a hard finger point to the chin to the cheek well like to kind of like try to paralyze his face a little bit but it's some sort of contact i think at very very least you do the elbow grab that firm elbow grab that a little too firm yeah and then get your ass back in there no and by the way that kid's never going back in there i don't know how he is 12 no 12 year old in tears who just got destroyed on the arcade machine is going back in he's not doing it

i think think I agree with you,

but you're underrating Sly's motivational speech.

I think maybe I am.

Do tell.

Mike, I don't care what your grandfather thinks about me, okay?

All I care about is you.

Now you lost back there because you beat yourself.

You told yourself you couldn't win.

You're my boy.

Now go back there and win.

I know you can do it.

You're a special kid.

You're my boy.

Do you understand?

But you're also a spoiled, rich brat who's always had everything done for him.

Now it's time to do for yourself, Mike, and you can do it.

Because I'm telling you, the world meets nobody halfway.

Do you understand what that means?

If you want it, Mike,

you gotta take it.

Do you hear me?

You gotta take it.

That was the speech.

It's a good speech.

Now you understand why he went back in.

You're my boy.

You're my boy, Blue.

But I lost because you chose an older kid who's already on drugs and is struggling.

He has nothing to do with anything that was said.

This kid's terrifying, yeah, he's going to rob us after this best two out of three.

Yes.

I think he's,

I think he was going to ad lib a different part of the speech.

He was going to say, like, you can change the results.

And if you can change, I can change.

Everybody can change.

It's like, you know,

nobody meets you halfway, especially in arm wrestling, because you got to push it all the way.

All the way, not halfway.

Well, Mike comes back and wins.

Big win for Mike Hawk.

I'm going to say losing to this kid who just cried after the first fall and had his dad there and you have your friends there and you're just playing video games and then you end up choking and losing best toy three and losing money.

Is that worse than the 28 to three Falcons lost in the Super Bowl or is it right there?

And did the kid put himself in the ring of honor right afterwards?

Well, he can't because unless he owns the team of that arcade, unless he owns that arcade.

If he owns the arcade, he puts the team.

I do think it's worse because the Falcons were going against the greatest quarterback ever and and they were going against Mike Hawk.

It's one of the all-time sports chokes, though.

In truth, I think 28-3, I think Nick Anderson at the free throw line.

I think Hillary Clinton, it's like the full-on blown leads.

It's an all-timer.

The kid's trained for two days.

He has no muscle tone at all.

Somehow takes it.

Next scene.

I just wrote down, Hawk shows up to grandpa's mansion to get his kid.

Grandpa played by the one, the only, the indispensable Robert Logia.

Robert Loja.

Just an incredible run for him.

This is over the top in 87, big in 88 on the big piano, and then Mancuso FBI, whatever that show was called in 1989.

What is your number one Loja performance for you personally, Bill?

First of all, thank you for asking.

Sure.

I really appreciate that.

Probably big on the piano.

That would be number one.

Scarface as Frank would be number two.

And then, of course, Byron Mayo in the officer and gentleman movie that we've been talking about ever since, where we just see him basically having a threesome with his son.

I also really liked him in a movie that was an HBO movie in 1987 about the Chicago Seven.

Okay.

He, I think he played the lawyer, but he was great in it.

So this is, we're in like peak logia time.

He's also in Jagged Edge.

He's good in that.

80s were like his

sweet spot.

Yeah.

What about you?

What's your favorite?

You know, I'm actually going to zag on this.

I love him in Necessary Roughness.

He's one of those.

Oh, that's coach.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

With Heather Alizondo.

And then in my weird off-the-beaten path one is there's an early 90s Dana Carvey movie called Career Opportunities, where Dana Carvey's a con man and Loja is the girl's father.

And it was like, we're going to try to make Dana Carvey a movie star.

And like, and Loja was in it, and it was a perfect Loja performance.

So I love that one too.

He kind of was in that Jack Warden.

And I feel like Jack Warden, I think, was probably a slightly better or more respected actor.

So he would get like the Heaven Can Way parts and stuff like that.

And Loja was kind of working the seams.

But I, you know, Scarface was a really important character for him because otherwise he's just different versions of Loja.

In this one, he's on autopilot.

He's clearly like, yeah, it's a four-day shoot.

Everybody is.

Can you, can you wire me the money?

I don't take checks or I'll cash one or the other.

I'm just going to come in.

I'll yell at Stallone a couple of times and I'll be done.

Anyway, Lincoln Hawk shows up in his truck to grandpa's mansion to get the kid back because the kid has

left.

They don't let him in.

He decides to run over the gate of the mansion and then takes out a couple of those like concrete statue things and drives right to the front.

I would say, what?

He causes a million dollars of damage, like $900,000 of damage.

Yeah.

Yeah.

On a large property.

My take on the scene, I think it's a direct ripoff of the Terminator in 84.

It's basically just, I'll be back.

And he drives, and members goes by and drives it.

Salon's in it.

Schwarzenegger's in his head at this point.

Big time.

This is a few years later, and all's blowing up.

And he's like, I need an I'll be back moment.

I'm surprised he didn't even say I'll be back, but it's the same scene, basically.

Good call.

Five cops arrest him.

And I don't know.

For some reason, it's kind of fun.

I like that they went for it.

Okay.

Well, so we only had three re-watchable scenes in the first hour of the movie.

And then dare I say the last 35 minutes, I don't even know what to not say was re-watchable, but winner takes it all.

Same in Hagar.

The moment the tournament starts, it's the perfect song.

It's in the running for best sports montage ever.

Get into it.

Let's go.

Let's, I mean, there's heavy hitters.

Teen Wolf.

Yeah.

Win in the end.

I'm going to win in the end.

We did that one together.

Love the great jam.

That was my first three watchables ever was Teen Wolf.

So I had a soft spot for that.

Karate Kid.

You're the best around.

No one's ever going to take you down.

Joe Estonia.

Rocky IV.

I know you're partial to the training sequence.

Yes.

The best.

The opening of Rocky III, which I think gets lost

in this conversation with the Eye of the Tiger montage.

Yep.

And Clubber Lango and somehow having the resources to go to 20 Rocky fights all over the world, even though he's fighting in some gym in la

but um

i think that's the big four with winner takes it all is there one that you would add other than that you know i i would might throw some love to another uh canon films uh blood sport the kumite is really fantastic oh great call great call

i have it in what age the best just tournaments and sports movies are always great the question is like has there ever been a bad tournament in sequence in sports movies and i i don't i don't really know i can't think of one It's perfect.

Yeah, the Kumite.

Yeah.

Even though that song's not great, but you're meeting a lot of characters.

You're seeing a lot of like quick knockouts or finishes.

Yeah.

If I had to pick, though, if you had to pick one out of all of those, Win in the End has some flaws.

Like Michael J.

Fox makes the same layup, I think, four times.

Yeah.

And

I don't count the Rocky IV because it's not a tournament.

Really.

I think it's Karate Kid.

It's so fun to watch.

And there's high school physics.

And one of them just died just a few weeks ago.

Yeah, Chad McQueen.

Yeah.

So I still

LeVar from Revenge of the Nerds is in there.

There's all kinds of fun things.

I like that one.

Still don't know how Dutch beat him.

I don't know either.

They wouldn't even really show it.

They were just like, point match.

Controversial.

Wait, what happened?

All right.

Anyway, winner takes it all his way up there.

So this goes from this weird divorce arm wrestling truck movie to all of a sudden one of the best sports movie montages we've ever had.

There's good interview montages.

Oh, yeah.

We get the semifinals intro montage

where we get quotes like, When I get to that table, that person, I don't care who they are, they're my mortal enemy.

I hate them.

That's one

Lincoln Hawk goes.

What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around, and it's like a switch that goes on.

I don't know, I feel like I feel like a truck,

like a machine.

Um,

Harry Bosco, yep, my whole body is an engine, and this is a fireplug.

Harry Bosco, the face of Alka-Seltzer, right?

Yeah.

And then, and I'm going to light them up.

And then we get Hurley going, I drive trucks, break arms, and arm wrestle.

It's what I love to do.

It's what I do best.

Being number one is everything.

There is no second place.

Second sucks.

Really good advice, honestly.

Sew that on a pillow.

Second sucks.

I don't want to step on life lesson, Bill, but second sucks is concise as hell.

Yeah.

I like how they film it.

It's a little ahead of its time documentary style.

It's a documentary that I don't even know who the documentary is for.

And it's out of nowhere.

All of a sudden they're sitting there looking off camera and sitting doing these formal interviews, and it really is pleasing to the eye.

You didn't even need that in the tournament would have been cool, but it really is cool that somebody came up with that.

I love that part.

I mean, the arm wrestling tournament probably could have been 20 minutes more.

Bull Hurley says, That's my area.

He's got no shitting business there.

I've never even heard the word shit used in that context ever, but it works for me.

It's all, it's all gold at that point.

And there's this whole world we're going in where it's like double elimination.

That's how you get knocked out.

If your hands slip apart, they bring in the strap.

The strap just seems super dangerous.

You could have your elbow snapped.

We actually see a guy get his elbow snapped, which apparently actually happened.

By the way, I have elbow snapped guy in contention for Deion Waiters.

I fucking love that moment.

The fact that they left that in there, that poor guy got his arm broken in half.

You probably should take that out, Cannon.

Right.

And he's like, he's looking at it.

He's like,

ah,

it's like three seconds later.

Is it like a dislocated elbow?

Yes.

I dislocated my elbow.

The last time I ever carried a football in my life was ended with an elbow dislocation.

It is a searing 10 out of 10 pain.

It's horrible.

It's horrible.

Even hurting your funny bones seems awful.

That seems like a hundred times worse.

We have another scene when he goes up into the presidential suite at the Hilton

to go see Robert Loggia.

And

Terry Funk is there as this henchman, preparing his henchman chops for Roadhouse two years later, and ends up throwing Terry Funk right through the glass doors after he tells Robert Loggia to stick his check.

I'm going to come back for my son.

throws funk through the doors.

We're right into a rematch with John Grizzly from that, from coming out of the Hilton suite.

We're fighting again.

One thing I forgot to mention that I like with this movie is that we do see him lose once.

Yeah.

It's a little rocky three-ish where he loses the clubber and it's like, oh, we're doing this.

I didn't realize.

And Bob Beatty's going, it is a double elimination.

You have to lose twice.

Double elimination.

Again, it's a double elimination.

He's saying it over and over again.

We got to get into this now because I counted.

He says it five times.

And it's not only that he says it's a double elimination.

he goes, remember, it's a double elimination, which means if you lose once, you can still continue in the tournament.

Did everyone get that?

Even after he goes to the presidential suite, they've already hit it four times.

They hit it again to remind the audience.

It's unbelievable.

I think Golan or Globus or Golan and Globus are like, could you make sure there's a double elimination just that the audience understands?

I guess like the test audiences are like, wait, I don't understand.

So I lost.

Also, an unanswerable question.

If it's a double elimination, shouldn't Bull Bull Hurley get to go again?

I mean, did I lay there?

Come on.

No, it's.

Is that your how to take?

I'm sorry.

Did I step on it?

I just, we were there.

No, I had that in nitpicks.

It's double elimination.

Yeah.

But we get to the finals.

We don't have Bob Beatty, Beatty, whatever his name is, come in and be like, it is no longer a double elimination.

It's a single elimination from this tweet.

This is on.

If you lose once, you are now out as opposed to the prior form, which was double elimination.

We actually kind of needed him to say that because he beats him and it's like, all right, you should have had to beat him twice.

You just told us.

He says it five times.

All we needed was once on the single.

And by the way, Bull Hurley hasn't lost a single match in five years.

Don't you think you get the benefit of maybe it's double elimination?

He's the only guy who lost once and was out.

Totally.

Well, he takes out, throws funk through the glass doors, beats Grizzly,

takes out Mad Dog Madison.

Yeah.

He's coming in as a 20 to one underdog.

Now he's in the.

Semis leading to the next rewatchable scene.

The controversial Harry Bosco match.

Oh, let's go.

Get into this.

Not sure what happened here.

There's a lot of chicanery leading up to the guys getting locked in together and then they can't, and then all of a sudden he just like gets up immediately and Bosco's like, I wasn't ready.

I wasn't ready.

I'm not sure what happened with that one, why they played it that way.

There's a lot of talk about your shoulders have to be square and there's complaining about the thumbs.

And Bosco is a veteran arm wrestler at this point.

I have a take on that.

It's a little edgy that I hate that where the one officiating controversy in the armed wrestling seems to be the one black guy in the whole tournament, and he was the one who got screwed.

There is an official who is a person of color nearby, so thank God, but otherwise, that's a bad optic.

I didn't like that.

Yeah, I mean, he's, let's be honest, he's the only black guy in the entire movie.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, we could just say now the Van Lathan award for did this movie need more black people.

The answer was yes for over the top.

I think Harry Bosco was the only black person in it.

And then the finals.

The strap is a great gimmick.

Awesome.

I don't really understand anything about arm wrestling, but I know that once the strap is in, this seems really dangerous for both sides.

I don't know how that then leads to him being able to do the over-the-top with the strap, but he gives him the bloody nose, just hits him in the face.

Yeah.

He just

own you.

I own you.

He's got no other lines.

He's just like, I own you.

See,

I feel like you disrespect him.

He also says, get in here.

He sounds like from Mortal Kombat.

He sounds like Scorpion.

And I like him when he calls him Little Man.

Yeah.

Bull's great.

I fucking love Bull.

So I always thought for years that it was the same guy that Snake Puskin fights and escape from New York in the jail when they have the, and it's actually two different people.

That was Ox Baker.

This guy's name was Rick Zumwalt.

Yeah, but Zumwalt, I looked it up too.

He fights Sean Connery in the Presidio.

That's like one of his other more notable roles, but he's Bull Hurley.

He passed away like 20 years ago, but he's Bull Hurley.

The other thing here is

Stallone, and I don't know where it ranks for you, but he gets the, he had that weird kind of stroke side of his mouth,

and he does this in Cliffhanger.

He does it.

There's the Rockies where...

So he's doing with the.

And I think this is the most he does this in a movie, right?

Yeah.

Is it Cliffhanger, maybe the other one?

Because he's hanging on mountains and stuff.

I think the reason we get it so much is he knows how hard he has to sell how fucking boring arm wrestling is.

And so he's doing some huge face acting because this ain't a boxing match.

He's not climbing a mountain.

It's a two-second thing where he pushes someone arms down.

So he's face acting like crazy.

And he's always had that thing out of the side of his mouth, which is like this bizarre.

He even mentioned when they went to do the Rocky movie, the one with Mason Dixon, the line, the kid who plays his son, Milo Ventamilia, was cast in part because he yells out of the side of his mouth, which is a weird thing to do, but he does it for the whole movie here.

What's your most re-watchable scene?

Listen to me.

I would sooner turn off the Copa scene in Goodfellas than I would turn off the tournament in Over the Top.

I would turn off the beach scene in Saving Private Ryan.

I'm not turning off the tournament nonstop.

Last 30 minutes.

I'm great.

Sammy Hagar is the key for me, too.

Damn right.

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Okay, new category.

What's the most 1987 thing about this movie?

I will give you the following choices:

arm wrestling as a potential hot fad,

Sammy Hagar in his prime.

Yeah, Bob Beatty, Beatty, Bob Beatty,

Bob Beatty,

TWA.

Oh, that's a great call.

Or the soundtrack, which was released in 1987, contains music from Frank Stallone, Kenny Loggins, Eddie Money, and Sammy Hagar.

What is the most 1987 thing about this movie?

Well, of the choices,

it's the soundtrack.

But my off-the-board answer is there's a brief shot at the tournament where Stallone is working out on a SoloFlex machine.

That kills me.

Because SoloFlex, if you used to watch TV, every other other commercial at night between American Gladiators and ESPN and everything would be SoloFlex commercials.

Hey, goodbye, you guys.

My dog is in here now, too, and my daughter.

Get out of here.

Clear out of here.

Go on.

Go on.

We're talking about SoloFlex.

You don't know what that is.

So I had a SoloFlex in the late 80s.

You had one?

I had one, and I used to use it.

And I think it gave me a variety of physical ailments.

There were like basically no instructions how to use it.

Yeah.

Yeah, you really had to be careful with it.

My dad had something called a Nordic Flex Gold, which which was like the genesis to Solo Flexes.

I think we had that too.

Yeah.

Yeah, you had it too.

Yeah.

They might have also had that.

Nobody went to the gym really for this stuff until the mid-kind of early mid-90s.

No, you had the machine.

There was a whole home equipment thing that was going on.

Yeah, and it was bad because sometimes like husbands would get it for their wives and stuff.

One of my friends' dads used to always get his wife like a Nordic flex.

And they're like, you can't get that for your wife, dude.

But Sly hits it really quickly, the solo flex.

That's like my bad.

That's definitely the answer.

That's even better than TWA.

What's age the best?

Betting on yourself.

Lincoln Hawk goes in and takes 7,000 for his truck, puts all of it on 21 odds on Lincoln Hawk, which is something that we've seen now.

Boxers and UFC people, they'll go to casinos.

Floyd Mayweather used to do this.

This exchange for WhatsApp the best.

You know, if you're hungry, there's a great place up here for good steak.

Where do you say we stop?

The son responds, sir, you're going to be the victim of cholesterol poisoning.

poisoning later in life you'll just start to rot away and sly responds you're just full of good humor aren't you mike incredible no wonder the writer was crying after the movie yeah his career's over terrible yeah he he probably knew right then what what else do you have for what stage is the best i have a bunch um we already talked about tournaments i i just think i think bull hurley is awesome in this movie i think the casting of him this random guy who's massive who looks the part and i always compare it bill like we sly found Drago, right?

He finds Dolph Lundgren and makes this permanent, all-time, amazing villain.

And this is sort of a follow-up.

My problem with Bull Hurley, I think we needed more of Bull.

I think we had one quick scene where he's just sort of backstory.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We needed a backstory.

And I think he needed to be more evil.

And I have, I like,

Dolph Lundgren, like, Drago kills Rocky's best friend and then says, I don't give a shit if he dies.

I think we needed him to be more evil.

And my idea would be that he slaps the kid and the kid mouths off on him and then Bull Hurley backhands him and then like Sly tries to fight him and everything.

Now you hate Bull Hurley.

Right now he's just this like big fat truck driver who likes arm wrestling and talks shit to Lincoln.

I think they needed to vilify him more.

Or

maybe he's working for the grandfather.

Oh, he's working for Loja.

He's when he goes up to the to the suite in the Hilton, the presidential suite,

Burl Hurley's up there.

Interesting.

You know what?

Because I think that Lojia bet like a million dollars on Bull Hurley to win the tournament.

Like, he's there.

He's rich.

She's like, just bet it on the favorite.

I'll double my money.

Because when they show him after Bull Hurley loses, he's really pissed.

And I don't think it's just about Lincoln.

Yeah, you're right.

See, these are two scenes we needed over two phone calls from the dying mom.

That's right.

Are you getting along with Sly?

What's aged the best?

Evil Robert Lojia.

Yeah, he's great.

What's aged the best?

The Sammy Hagar video I sent to you, as well as the words in the opening credits, a Golan Globus production.

You just know you're headed for some sort of

baby.

Yeah, buckle up.

So there's an SNL sketch from the mid-90s, which I'll tweet from the Rewatchable Twitter account tonight.

Sly is hosting, and Norm McDonald gets in a car accident.

I know the sketch.

And Sly goes to help him as a good Samaritan and Norm just starts ragging on his movies and starts making fun of Over the Top.

It's hilarious.

It's really good.

He's making fun of Judge Dredd over the top, all his bad movies.

He takes shots at Cobras and he even says, You know what, Kramer says, Kramer was missing arm wrestling.

Stallone just has to kind of back him up.

It's a great sketch.

You got to play that because I've been looking for that.

Yeah, I'll find it.

I have it.

I found it.

The opening song in this movie, which didn't get enough acclaim, in my opinion, take it high up.

Take it high up.

All the way up.

It was by a guy named Larry Green, who never really made it.

Not a great name, Larry.

Yeah, he met it.

He should have called himself like Larry Rocket or some sort of more ideas name.

But I always thought that song was solid.

I liked it more than Meet Me Halfway.

That was kind of like for Loggins, for Loggins' movie purposes, that's not on the Mount Rushmore.

All right.

So you brought it up.

I'll add Lib Loggins Mount Rushmore in the 80s.

All right.

She got Holiday Road is on there from Vacation.

Yeah.

You got

probably It's All Right from Caddyshack.

Like, that's pretty iconic.

No, that has to be on there.

Okay.

And then I think you got two.

Danger Zone.

I think Danger Zone won.

And I think Playing With the Boys also from Top Gun is two.

I love that thing for the volleyball scene.

Well, how's Footloose not on there?

Yeah, yeah.

It's almost like a five-song Mount Rushmore, regardless.

Okay, yeah, Footloose got to be on.

Meet Me Halfway.

It's just not on there.

No, that song is kind of annoying.

It actually sucks.

And they play it 20 times in the movie.

It's not on the movie.

And then they do the instrumental when they're trying to do transitions.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like Getty Loggins in the movie was so big.

Like he was the hitmaker then.

So it was like Sly and Loggins were the top two billions.

But the song is, he's done better.

Stallone played characters named Marion Cabretti and Lincoln Hawk in back-to-back movies.

This was just peak Stallone like that name's not exciting enough.

Can you make me a list of 20 other names and I'll pick one?

And they're like, how about

how about Lincoln Hawk?

He's like, Yeah, that's good.

I like it.

I like it.

Yeah, like the prisoner and like a bird.

What I like is you could flip the name, and it could be Hawk Lincoln, and that would be cool, too.

What's Agent Best?

The double elimination reminders and the strap.

We mentioned those.

John Grizzly, the beard guy.

Yeah.

Another great kind of wild card performance by him.

Great.

Stallone slow mush and grunt screams we talked about.

So do you want to do anything else on the Lincoln forum press machine?

Or just like, where do you get it?

Is it homemade?

Well, it occurs to me that if you're doing that mile after mile, don't you have a wildly lopsided physique?

Like, isn't your left arm like totally underprepared and like subject to injury?

Like, I, when I was a kid, I thought that was the coolest thing in the movie.

And, like, I wanted to get that.

Like, when this phone, when this movie came out, it was cool to have a car phone.

Like, that was considered like the coolest thing.

But I thought that shoulder pull-down thing was badass.

I loved it.

It would make sense that the right right arm would be kind of completely out of proportion on the left one.

All right, here's a Woodsage the best.

Yeah.

This is, this is just me.

It's a personal thing.

Whenever, whenever people show up midway through a funeral, the funeral is already a half hour in, and they drop off flowers and look at the grave or the coffin and then they just walk off.

Like, what a heat check.

Have you ever been in a funeral ever where somebody did that?

Nobody's ever done that in a real funeral ever.

It's a great call.

And it's not even at the church.

It's fucking graveside in the cemetery.

Outside.

There's an etiquette there.

You don't walk in, drop flowers, and leave without even speaking.

I don't care what kind of a pariah you are.

That is a purely movie invention.

It's a great call.

Every time it happens, I laugh my ass off.

It's just, I remember

Luke Perry's last non-Otoman episode: his wife dies and he goes to the funeral.

Same thing.

He just shows up halfway through, puts something on there, and just kind of walks off.

The funeral's still going.

The only time

her husband?

Kenny Powers walks in playing candlebox on a boom box

when he says he would be goose because goose dies in that movie.

That's the only time I love it with the candlebox song.

I have one aged the best.

Yeah.

And like you, Bill,

I was raised with divorced parents.

Seeing your dad do cool things is so magical when you're a little kid, especially if they're physical things.

Like when he sees his dad beat the Smasher in that arm wrestling competition, he's trying to play it cool, but there's nothing like it, especially like I live most of the time with my mom.

And like, if I went with my dad and like, I would see him do something cool, even if it's like fix something or anything.

Like that's so enchanting as a kid.

I loved it.

Great call.

The competitor was elbow breaks.

Yeah.

He was a German national championship champion because they were filming an actual wrestling tournament during the filming of the movie.

His name was Michael Beauchiu.

It was a real and unplanned elbow break.

And I, I don't know, I guess everybody everybody must have signed beforehand.

You can use my likeness.

This poor guy, his broken elbows, and for the rest of time on Pluto and Tubi.

By the way, two places you can find this movie right now.

And then, so it took me maybe 70 viewings to see this, but they have that ending.

The camera kind of pans back in a faraway shot where Hawk takes his son finally.

And Logia is there.

And it's like they're, I guess they're on good terms.

You can see Logia in this scene.

I've never seen this.

Yeah.

Yeah, so it's kind of like, I guess they're okay.

It's like when Johnny like brings LaRusso the trophy at the end and says, yeah, it's a little bit like that, but it's like they must have cut it because the dialogue was an

great or something.

But anyway, I didn't know.

All right.

Some quick ones.

Well, the last time you were on here, you came up with a new category, the Fortune 3 Clap Award for most giftable moment.

It's got to be Stallone flipping the cap around, right?

Seen it all the time.

I used it today on the Rewatchables account.

It's great.

It's just, just, it's for his match against the Smasher in the bar when he turns it around.

And it's just anytime it's like goat time to do something, you know, you got to go even to do something with the kids or set your fantasy lineup, whatever, turn the hatter on.

It's like perfect GIF.

Great Shot Gordo Award for most cinematic shot.

I mean, this was directed by Menachem Golan, a producer from another country.

I'm not sure if there was a lot of cinematic shots, but the ending wide shot, I guess, is okay.

I've never said this for, I think, any category in any episode.

I don't have one, I don't have a great shot.

That's fair.

That might be the right one.

I don't have one.

Dennett Thieves, Benny Han Awards, Scene, Steal, and Location, the tournament.

I think it's the Vegas Hilton.

They kind of faked Vegas and they did a lot of

it.

Went all out.

Yeah.

The Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness, where Best Needle Drop is obviously Winner Takes It All by See.

Winner Takes All as the tournament kicks off.

It's awesome.

Little backstory.

What do you got?

John Wetton, the lead singer of Asia.

What about him?

Asia's had a lot of hits.

Sure.

Right?

Heat of the moment.

Yeah.

So he did winner takes it all, and they decided his voice just wasn't like kind of aggro enough, and they re-recorded it with Sammy Hagar, and the rest was history.

So the song existed.

The lead singer of Asia, a Yacht Rock Mount Rushmore band, just pushed to the side for our guy, Sammy Hagar.

Bill, this is called Doing the Work on your part.

I did a lot of research on this.

You got to do the work.

Big Kahuna Burger Award for best use of food and drink.

What do you got?

I think it's an annoyingly hypothetical one.

I wanted to see that steak that Lincoln made.

I had that too.

I think it was the T-bone.

I think it was huge.

And the little kid wanted tuna on whole wheat.

So we didn't even see it.

And it still is the Big Kahuna Burger Award.

The hypothetical steak.

I like it.

Yeah.

Butch's Girlfriend Award, the weak link of the film.

It's the hospital scenes with the mom.

I have no idea why they did it this way.

They're two of the worst scenes in any Stallone movie ever.

The actress isn't good.

She's just like...

Who is that lady?

Susan Blakely.

Yeah,

she was around.

She was in a bunch of TV stuff, 70s, 80s.

She's on the phone.

Hey, honey, are you doing all right?

And it's just, I can't believe they did that.

So they spend the whole movie talking about what happened with Lincoln and the kids and the family and why he left.

And they never reveal what happened, which is not how storytelling works.

You're supposed to have a scene towards the end of the movie where he reveals that he killed a man or that, like, he was

he hit Michael or he did something terrible.

All it ever is is these hushed tones about, I made a mistake, I won't do it again.

Even the mom says he had his reasons.

You have to tell the audience why he abandoned his son for 10 years when the whole movie is about father and son, and they never do.

It's preposterous.

Well, he kind of does it during the presidential sweep.

What does he say?

He says to Loja, he's like, you were tearing us apart.

So it's like, so you left because your dad, your father-in-law was annoying?

Yeah.

So you just need a little more in your family for 10 years?

Need a little more.

You're trying to get us to buy into this father-son story.

I'm completely lost at what the biggest part of the backstory is.

They did no payoff.

It's very strange.

I'm glad you brought it up.

I had it in WhatsApp the Worst.

I just don't understand.

They just kind of yada yada.

This guy ditched his family for 10 years and the reasons were he didn't really like his father-in-law that much.

It's like, not an awesome reason.

It's like he wrote some letters.

I wrote you letters.

There's a lot of people who hate their father-in-laws.

Like, you don't just leave.

And also, like, this is not 1935.

You can call as well.

You don't have to just write letters.

There's telephone from the 80s.

It's just letters.

That's it.

It's terrible.

Also, he's still calling it, still calling her his wife.

Like, he goes to the hospital.

He's like, I'm here to see my wife, but they have been together for 10 years.

I don't care.

She didn't date anyone else.

Great call.

Don't know.

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All right, what's age the worst?

So the attempted kidnapping scene, three of the Logia henchmen

trying to kidnap the son, and it's just ridiculous.

I can't believe it's in the movie.

And Stallone saves them.

He uses his truck.

And I just don't understand why that had to happen.

I feel like they needed a little action.

And then we need Slice Stallone punching some people.

Let's crowbar some bullshit in there.

We try to abduct him and we have a brief chase scene.

It reminds me a little bit of when

Lester Diamond gets beat up by Sam Rostein's guys in the parking lot outside of the diner, but they just take him and there's a brief chase scene.

It seems very forced.

Terrible.

You mentioned Stallone's

acting in this movie and how autopiloty it is.

He doesn't do anything.

Even his confessionals are bad, and that should have been like the easiest part.

Tell you the truth, the truck, you know, the most important for me.

I don't, it doesn't matter if I become the champion.

I need the truck.

I need the truck.

Sly, we're paying you 12 million bucks.

Just give us something here.

I'm not expecting the best.

You got nominated for best actor in Rocky One.

Like, you can't do one more take like i know he's just cashing the money what's age the best bill is you referring to those scenes as the confessional scenes in full real world parlance that's true yeah i've done that just for you

um

there's in the credits music by giorgio moroder who is the guy who did like officer and a gentleman and like some awesome scores and it's like where where was giorgio in this they just feed in the money from him Yeah, or they went with logged, whatever.

That's all I got.

Do you have any other what's aged the worst we've covered a lot?

Yeah, I have one weird one, one irreverent one.

Are you, when you re-watched it, why are they constantly going back and forth between calling him Hawk and Hawks?

What is this?

Half the characters call him Hawks and address him as Hawks, and then the rest of the time he's Hawk.

And even when the kid finds the letters to his mom, which Lincoln wrote, the last name is Hawks.

So I get that there's some continuity of things in movies like this.

You can't keep changing what the main character's name is.

It's really strange.

Lincoln Hawks?

And then sometimes they're like, hey, Hawks, sit down.

And then there are times they'll be like, you hawks?

It makes no sense.

So do you think there was a scene where he changed his last name?

I think in the middle of shooting, they're like, no, let's make it Hawk instead of Hawks.

That's called sounds cooler.

Half the movie, they call him Hawks.

Like, Bill, if you just started potting one day, it's like, yeah,

Bill Simmon.

And I'm just here.

And you're like, what the fuck?

It's Simmons.

They're Simmon.

Like, it is so distracting.

and you can watch this over and over.

They keep calling the different name.

Um, the other age, the worst.

Uh, Bill, when's the last time you've splashed on some brute cologne?

Because it's been a while for me, and their slogan on the side of the truck, smells like a man.

That should have been the most 1987 thing about this movie: Brute Cologne and Solaflex.

You're right.

There were pistols being drawn between Brute Cologne and Skin Bracer.

And I went the route of Dracar Noir, but the Brute Cologne smells like a man.

You just wouldn't see that these days.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge overacting word.

Logia has a couple.

There's always a way to bend the law.

Is that your job?

There's a couple of those.

He's probably the winner, unless you want to give it to Rick Sumwalt for Bull Hurley.

Get in here.

No, it's Logia on the stairs, too.

Like, he's obviously really pissed.

A truck just drashed through his fucking house, but he's, damn you.

Damn you.

It's Lojia.

And that's why he's there.

Was there a better title for this movie?

I don't think so.

It's come to have a great second meaning because it's so excessive and over the top symbolically and everything that it does.

It's a great, it's a great title.

Also, that's his move.

They say in the movie, he checks a lot of boxes.

Kenny Diggett award for most memorable quote has to be the world

meets nobody halfway.

Remember that?

Yeah.

Okay.

It just occurred to me, Bill, that you and I both were so confused by the over-the-top maneuver.

Arm wrestling Twitter and arm wrestling Reddit is going to have like such a field day with that.

Like, no, they don't understand that the finger's here.

I don't understand.

Neither one of us get how moving the fingers works.

Don't get mad at us.

We don't understand.

We're not even casual arm wrestling fans.

My arm wrestling knowledge is from this movie.

Yeah.

And I haven't personally arm wrestled, I think, since like maybe sixth grade.

So I don't know anything about it.

Very fair.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

Hottest take award.

You go first.

All right, this one's pretty easy for me.

Um,

Lincoln Hawk is definitely the villain in this movie, like, without a doubt.

He, if you look at it through this perspective, this person who totally abandoned his wife and son has clearly been to jail multiple times based on how relaxed he is in jail.

Uh, he's asked by the kid point blank if he's still dealing drugs, which he doesn't deny.

I personally think that he's on drugs for like the entire movie.

He's ridiculously shredded for a truck driver.

He recovers from injury immediately after getting injured in the tournament.

Also, this guy like plays on the sickness of a dying woman to get her and to manipulate her to give custody of the son.

I think Beloja is right.

You're a deserter, plain and simple.

Loja's raised this kid, paid everything.

He loves this kid.

And this jerk-off drug dealer, absentee father, tries to take him.

I think he's the villain.

And I see it that way.

Incredible take.

I was trying to think of like a word because Johnny Lawrence ended up being being like this too, which was what Cobra Kai was about.

Like he's the villain, but he's actually not the villain.

He was actually maybe the opposite of the villain.

It's maybe upon,

it's some word with villain in it.

Like,

I don't know.

There's some word.

Somebody's got to come up with it.

It's not hero.

It's not villain, but it's.

I don't know what it is.

I know that nobody.

crashes a semi truck into a house unless you're on some kind of narcotics.

Like that, that's not something that someone who's not on drugs does.

I think he's nuts.

And I think that's a good thing.

It's like Machio and Karate Kid.

Yeah.

Yeah.

First of all, stay out of Johnny and Allie's relationship.

Yes.

Maybe don't punch somebody during soccer practice.

Maybe don't do the skeleton, the prank in the bathroom.

Like you had a lot of this coming to you, dickhead.

Definitely.

He is a quick trigger with that punch at soccer.

What is that?

What's your hottest tick?

You got one?

I do.

Are we sure this actually wasn't a really, really good elite little kid movie performance?

Get into this.

Go on.

Let's go.

The kid's supposed to be an asshole, rich kid.

He nails it.

You're supposed to hate this kid.

Well, mission accomplished.

That's how the thing's written.

He's great.

Cries on commit multiple times.

Pulls off the arm wrestling thing against Crystal Meth Zappa.

Cries seven times convincingly.

breaks out of the mansion, drives a car to the airport.

Doesn't have a a nav system or ways, like just figures out how to get there.

He's he dumps the car in front, figures out how to get on the plane, buy a ticket, figures out how to sneak out of the plane, ride through the cargo, get out of there, get to Vegas, right?

Figures out where the Hilton is, somehow brought enough cash for them.

Like, he checked every box.

The kid's 12, gets in the tournament.

Everyone's looking for him, still figures out a way to support his dad for the semifinals.

I don't know, man.

Maybe we need to reevaluate this.

I think it's...

Might have been a good son.

Maybe so.

I think it's Haley Joel in Sixth Sense.

I think it's Anna Packman on the piano.

And this kid, I thought.

Dakota Fanning and Man on Fire and David Mendenhall and over the top.

I think this kid is a really good actor.

I think he is too.

I think he gets a bad rap.

I tried to find some other Mendenhall for the pod.

And you know what I stumbled across?

Shortly after this, he was in an episode of Different Strokes, and he's the little kid in school who's selling drugs.

So like Arnold meets him for like a drug meetup.

And I watched the scene.

Very good in the scene.

Very good.

I think he's a good actor.

I'll take you one further.

He was in General Hospital for years back when I was watching the first part of the 80s.

So when he was in over the top, it was like, oh, the General Hospital kid.

He's a good actor.

Yeah.

Never really worked out.

But could he have been Will Wheaton's character in Toy Soldiers?

I think he could have.

Could he have been a mafioso?

Maybe.

It always comes back to Will Wheaton's accent, earring, and rabbit punchers and toy soldiers.

Every pod leads to that.

It's a good call, dude.

Casting what ifs.

Don Johnson, my guy, was the first choice for

Lincoln Hawk before they decided to overpay Stallone.

It's an interesting movie.

I don't know if I'm buying skinny Don Johnson as an arm wrestler.

Yeah, or a truck driver.

I mean, that's

a dead, handsome jacked truck driver.

I don't know.

Man.

Rick Zumwalt was the studio's third choice for Stallone's rival.

There was some arm wrestling champ, Cleve Dean,

and they decided he was too big.

And then they tried to get Ox Baker, ironically, and then Rick Sumwalt, who was paid $10,000 to shave his head, and he never grew it back.

Best that guy award.

I'm going to make the case for Harry Bosco.

Oh, really?

Wait, what is that case?

He's in other stuff.

I don't know him.

I know him from this.

He's in IMDb, and you'll know it after I say it.

Go on.

Referee number three in Karate Kid.

he's one of the refs in the tournament he's one of the refs in the tournament he's not the final ref but he's one of the refs he also for the cheers fans out there the greatest sitcom of all time he has a really important cheers episode where he has lewis the mailman cliff's getting bullied at work by the or getting bullied at the bar yeah and he decides to bring lewis the mailman with him as like protection to beat this guy up and then lewis figures out why and he ends up getting mad at cliff and leaving.

It was like my bodyguard mailman version.

Yeah, a little bit.

Yeah.

But Cheers at that point was being watched by 20 million people.

So, Karate Kid and Cheers.

Also, his name is Sam Scarber.

Two years in the NFL, played running back for the Chargers, two touchdowns.

That guy's a running back?

He's huge.

CFL for a couple of years.

There's a CFL tops card of him in 1972.

So

that's all.

And then he's Harry Bosco.

That's a pretty good that guy case.

Never knew his name.

Sam Scarber.

I would only submit

two, really.

I want to big, big ups to Dan Lebetard, who appears in the movie during the Smasher arm wrestling fight.

Go ahead and watch the Smasher versus Stallone in the bar.

The guy in the plaid shirt who officiates it is a dead ringer for Dan Lebetard.

I thought

right now.

Yes.

Like 2024 Dan Lebetard is in this movie in the Smasher arm wrestling scene.

I love it.

It cracks me up every time now.

It's my new favorite part.

But

the guy who's like maybe the greatest that guy ever is the security guard for Mr.

Cutler, who says, you're not wanted here, who sends him away with the truck.

His name's Alan Graff.

You know that guy.

He's a good that guy.

Alan Graff.

But I like the case that you made.

Deion Waiter's award.

Broken elbow guy.

Bo Hurley.

Bull Hurley is eligible.

Well, if it's Bull, then it's definitely.

Is he eligible or is he the number three person in the movie?

Well, my complaint about Bull is he's not in the movie enough.

Yeah, I think he's eligible.

Yeah.

I wanted to give Terry Funk a little love.

Mr.

Cutler is speaking to you.

That's our guy, Morgan, in Roadhouse.

There was always Barber College.

But

Bull Hurley is way better than him in this movie.

So if Bull's eligible, I would go Bull.

And if he's not, I would go dislocated elbow guy.

If Bull is eligible,

I guess that's my call and I have to make it right now.

So is he the number four?

I don't think he's eligible.

I think he's in too many scenes.

So broken elbow guy is our guy.

Yeah.

Little man.

Recasting couch director City.

Can we recast Hawk's ex-wife and give him Deborah Winger?

Oh, hell yeah.

And really try to step up the acting for those scenes.

I think that's a no-brainer.

I also thought about Gary Coleman as Hawk's son.

Just no explanation.

Because Gary Coleman was still pretty hot.

We've had multiple Gary Coleman references.

Would you settle for Emmanuel Lewis?

Either.

It's not really explained.

It's just the kid's so adorable.

Really rooting for him.

It's a breakout for the kid.

You could also have gone Kirk Cameron.

Kirk Cameron's in the zone right here.

Mike Seaver would be great.

Why not?

Why don't we have Tattoo from Fantasy Island coming in?

I don't know.

Stunt casting for Mike Hoffman.

Kirk Cameron would have been awesome.

He was doing vice versa with Dudley Moore at the time, I think.

Yeah.

Body switch.

Yeah.

Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or somebody else for the director's commentary.

I gotta, I gotta go back to my guy.

I'm gonna do Gus.

My cock, young fella, hanging out crying like a bitch in the parking lot.

Oh, best two out of three.

I had

Gus Johnson right there

out of him as well.

Yeah.

Same one.

Oh, my God.

He is laying this on fire.

They're in the strap.

He would have gotten so excited for the strap.

I know, right?

The strap.

The strap would have lost.

Gus would have lost his mind.

I think that's a great call.

All right.

Half-asser research.

Lozier's mansion in this movie, which is 750 Belier Road in Los Angeles.

Feel free to Google Earth it.

Also the home for the Clampett family in the Beverly Hillbills.

Oh, cool.

Yeah.

There you go.

The film was nominated at the eighth Golden Raspberry Awards in 1988.

David Mendenhall.

Oh, no.

They're going to go at Mendenhall?

Mendenhall won two.

He won two Razzies, one for Worst Supporting Actor and one for Worst New Star.

Ah, shit.

Worst new star is really tough.

Let me ask you this.

I don't know this.

How's Mendenhall doing?

Is he still with us?

Seems all right.

I googled him.

Seems looks pretty good.

Still does a little acting.

I think we're all right with with Men and all.

I worry about this stuff sometimes.

No, he's all right.

No, I think he's okay.

I love you.

And then Slast Alone nominated and lost to Bill Cosby for worst actor for Leonard Part Six.

Leonard Part 6.

Yeah, sure.

Which is an awful movie.

Rick Sumwalt became an alcoholic after this movie in his early 30s, but then joined a clean and sober fellowship and started working with substitute abuse people for the last like 10 years of his life and died in 03 after suffering a major heart attack.

Okay.

So they created an actual over-the-top arm wrestling tournament to coincide with this movie.

They had a qualifier in Beverly Hills, August 1985, competition, North America, Europe, Israel, Japan.

Cool.

They had the finale in July 1986, which was an 18-hour marathon tournament, the Las Vegas Hilton.

They filmed all of it.

So a lot of the footage is from that tournament.

And then the day after the real finals, Stallone comes in and films all his scenes with the crowds today.

together.

Wow, that must have been awesome.

He's a huge star.

That's cool.

He does goes against Mad Dog Madison, played by Randy Rainey

in this movie, who then battled him again in Rambo 3, a movie I've only seen once.

Yeah, I remember it's really bad, and they play this weird sport with the indigenous people there.

It's bad.

The real guy who won that Truckers class over-the-top tournament won a Volvo white truck and trail mobile trailer worth about $250,000.

His name was John Brezhnik.

Okay.

He inspired Linkinhawks.

There you go.

Apex Mountain.

Slashed alone, definitely not.

No.

Golan Globus were

kind of in the vicinity because they released 31 movies this year.

Bloodsport is in production.

Over-the-top is being made.

They kind of have figured out who they are.

They're doing Runaway Train with John Voigt, which was actually a good movie.

And this this is kind of the peak.

So I'm going to say yes, because you watched the documentary.

This seemed like the heyday.

Yeah, I'm trying to think watching the doc.

What is their best movie?

Like, what's their Hall of Fame plaque movie?

Is it Blood Sports?

It's Runaway Train, Barfly, and

Street Smart were the three kind of best movies they made.

But I think Bloodsport's probably the biggest success.

Bloodsport's fucking awesome.

Okay.

It has to be, right?

Yeah.

I mean, for you, it's Cobra.

Definitely Cobra for me.

There's very few movies ever made that I love more than Cobra.

So, yeah.

It's crazy that they didn't make Roadhouse.

That feels like something they would have made.

They're probably pissed.

That was our idea of a cooler and Jasper.

Right here.

How did we not have this?

Arm Wrestling, Apex Mountain.

Unquestionably, yes.

I can't imagine it ever got bigger for Arm Wrestling.

No, the only other movie I remember seeing it in was in The Fly with Goldblum.

He like rips a guy's arm off because he has the powers of a fly.

But this is years and years later.

They even just did on Hard Knocks recently when Tyson Bajant was playing.

They showed his father and they played the song from the movie HBO NFL Films did it.

And this is going on 40 years later.

This is the arm wrestling movie.

It's the citizen cane of arm wrestling movies.

It's not a Pix Mountain for divorce movies.

Do you have one?

It's Kramer versus Kramer, I think.

Yeah.

That won the Oscar, one multiple Oscars.

It's still probably the best one, I think.

Yeah, it was a little before my time.

Mrs.

Doubtfire fucked me up.

I was going through my stuff with my parents.

The movie is such a downer at some points.

Bob Beatty, whatever his name is, definitely a Picks Mountain.

He's really important roles.

He's a lot of lines.

He could have been a Deion Waiters possibility.

The Hilton in Vegas.

Sure.

Probably not.

Probably had some big boxing things, but not an

unimpressive performance by then.

Terry Funk.

Mr.

Bernard Hopkins fought at the Hilton in Vegas.

Yeah, there must have been a big box thing.

Terry Funk, no.

No.

Evil Logia,

Scarface.

Consider him evil in Scarface or no?

I mean, he put a hit on Tony, but he kind of deserved it.

Yeah, he's mixed up in some very evil things.

And by the way, I don't think he's the evil in this movie.

I think he's actually trying to be the hero.

Annoying Kids of Divorce.

Apex Mountain.

Has there been a more annoying kid in a divorce movie?

I'm going to probably say no.

I'm trying to think of those three kids in Doubtfire.

They're all right.

They seem like nice kids.

No, nobody's as annoying as this.

Rick Summalt, yes.

Truck driving?

probably not right because he's smokey and the bandit

yeah i mean jerry reed in the truck was smokey or was he bandit no reynolds was bandit yeah

it's i probably as far as i'm concerned there's not a lot of pure truck driving movies that i watch with regularity Paul Walker was a one called Joyride.

That was like a horror movie.

I like Joyride.

I like Joyride.

Convoy happened.

It really had its peak in the late 70s.

Yeah.

They made a bunch of them.

Yeah.

Sammy Hagar, unquestionably, yes, because this is also the year his first Van Halen album comes out.

So he's got Winner Takes It All.

Then he comes out with the first Van Halen album.

5150.

Is that that one?

This is what dreams are made of.

By the way, I'm going to defend 5150.

I think that album kind of rocks.

Listen, I'm a big Van Hagar guy.

I know the take is that he turned the best rock band in the world into Journey.

Yeah.

You know what?

I like Journey too.

I don't give a shit.

I like it.

It's not true.

5150 is a good album, period.

I like Carnell Knowledge, too.

I don't care.

Right now is the biggest.

Crystal Pepsi, pass it over.

He was huge.

I don't go after Sammy Hagar for that.

I really appreciate that word.

Yeah, man.

I'm with you.

I like that stuff.

Van Hagar was good.

Yeah.

Las Vegas, no.

And then drinking motor oil.

Has it ever been done better?

He says, I'm going to go through you like gasoline through a funnel and then drinks motor oil.

It's really a gimmick.

It would immediately kill you, I'm sure, but it fires him up.

I like it.

It would at least like send you in some sort of tailspin for like five minutes.

All right, this is an easy one.

Cruz or Hanks?

Well, I mean,

it's got to be Cruz.

I can't see Hanks in an arm wrestling movie.

And it's the added benefit, Bill, of there's really no female with which he has to try to have sexual chemistry with.

So that's fine.

It can just be Cruz.

He'll kill this role.

Yeah, we didn't even talk about that.

There's no love interest whatsoever with Stallone in this.

He doesn't even like interact with a woman in this.

Except his wife who gets along with Great and ditched 10 years ago and has a raising.

She's got two phone calls.

Yeah.

He's Brigitte Nielsen will get mad if I have a little bit of this.

This was prime Brigitte time.

I got to be honest, this is a pretty cruisy Cruz movie.

Yeah.

Like, I could have seen him in this in like 1993, 1994 range.

Cruise is like really into arm wrestling.

He's training for four months a day.

He was, there's stories about how he was actually arm wrestling the best arm wrestlers, and they can't believe how good he is.

He plays Mike Hawk in the sequel, Older Mike Hawk.

Oh,

I like that, Craig.

Yeah, good job, Craig.

Over the top two, Cruz as Mike Hawk, now an adult, early 2000s.

He does his arm wrestling jumping off a motorcycle off of a skyscraper and arm wrestles in the sky.

And he does it all by himself, and it's just crazy.

Wow, falling.

Great stuff.

Racehorse, rock band, and wrestler fantasy team name, the Lincoln Hawks.

This is from my league.

I've been in the same league 25 years.

My friend Andy Miano had Hawk Hauling as one of his fantasy team names for years.

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Pick and nets.

You mentioned the big one.

If it's double elimination, why didn't Bro Hurley have to be

beaten twice?

I just don't understand it.

How did a little kid drive to the airport without a navigation system, purchase a ticket, get on a plane, escape the plane, and get to the tournament without the internet or a cell phone?

Ridiculous.

They don't even acknowledge how impossible this.

The kid's not 15.

What is he?

11?

I have him at 12.

Yeah, he's 11 or 12.

He drives for a quarter mile of the semi-truck while his dad helps him, and then he gets a pickup truck and drives it from Bel Air to LAX, and it's just no problem at all on the 405.

Which, by the way, is a lot of back roads.

It's tough.

I thought about it.

Like, he probably had to take,

I'm guessing.

What do you got for the route?

I'm guessing he's probably taking sunset, a lot of lights on sunset, and probably taking sunset all the way to 405.

Yep.

If he's leaving the middle of the day, I think there's a lot of traffic, actually.

Definitely.

No way he makes it off sunset.

That is a harrowing drive.

Right.

That's true.

He probably flips the car on sunset.

I'm going to say an hour 15, but he also would have to know, like, he's got no navigation system, no map.

He's like, oh, the exit for to get on 405 is coming up.

Okay, I'm going to go.

I'll go south.

Oh, no, now I got to get on the 10 and hit that way.

And I just don't see it.

No.

So for an arm wrestling tournament in 1987,

you win a $250,000 truck

and $100,000 in cash.

Yeah.

That seems super high.

It's a lot.

It's a lot.

Like Nolan Ryan was making a million dollars in 1987.

People are like, whoa.

Michael Jordan was making $400,000 a year playing basketball in 1987.

When you would go on a game show like Supermarket Sweep, you would walk away with like $800 sometimes.

And it was like, wow, big winners today.

And like, it's $100,000.

I guess they make it that to say that he could start his new life now and he needs more money than that.

But

$100,000?

Come on.

It would be funny if over the top two was he's like, now he's back into drug dealing.

Now

he has enough cash to finally buy the cocaine stash from the Colombians.

Over the top two,

Sicario.

so the grandfather what's he doing all day just a rich guy with henchmen what's his job he's some sort of magnet like a like a bond by like like he's like a Michael Milken selling junk bonds what's he doing I think he's closer to an older Gordon gecko like I think he has worked really hedgehog made it to come on yeah like self-made all of that which is why he says he has no family other than Michael So like that's he's self-made finance guy like super super powerful you think he owned like staples like the chain chain of staples those stores that sold

you know like computer stuff and yeah office supplies things like that office supplies yeah i think he owned like a whole load of kmarts like in the in the 80s kmart was big and burlington coat factories but definitely retail outlets

and he owned a load of them he created foot locker like he had his own plane this guy was loaded his house was gigantic The employees are going to wear referee shirts.

He's got henchmen with him at all times.

all time when you're a henchman rich definitely yeah that's a whole other your own plane and you have your own henchman you're like almost a billionaire you can green light a child abduction in public rich like yeah you can move mountains man well i wasn't he just wearing pajamas all day i'm surprised he was a pajama witch

Lincoln Hawk was the only one who knew how to do the over-the-top trick I have as a nitpick.

Nobody else had that in their arsenal.

I have one big one, but do you have any other nitpicks?

Two quick ones.

First of all, 20 to 1 seems way low as the odds for Lincoln Hawk.

They said there's 500 people in it, and they refer to him as a newcomer.

And 20 to 1 is supposed to be looked at as astronomical.

I think it should have been at like 70 to 10.

Right.

That's like the Eagles right now are like 20 to 1.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The Eagles.

They made the 2-1 and they looked really good in week three.

There's a five-time repeating champion who's never lost and you have 20 to 1 odds.

The other one, the stupidest scene in the whole movie, and that says something, is the scene when he first gets Michael and he says, let's just sleep in the cab.

Like, let's just sit up here and tilt back and put our heads down.

We'll sleep in the cab in our clothes, sitting up.

First of all, Link, you just want $1,000 caps off the smasher.

Maybe you spring 30 bucks for a red roof in hotel night.

It's the worst day of this kid's life.

He's terrified.

And you're saying, oh, maybe you can lean on me.

Like, Jesus Christ.

I got a shower for you.

Yeah.

Terrible.

Terrible scene.

I hate that scene.

Great scene.

What else you got?

I thought Bull should have been DQ'd when he punched Hawk in the nose.

That should

have been it.

Definitely.

Maybe it was a double elimination.

That's a DQ.

So now he's lost one and you only have to beat him one more time now.

Like in Karate Kid 3, when he gets points detracted for contact to the face and stuff,

that's what it should be.

He gets one fall taken away for the punch to the face.

What was that guy's name?

Barnes?

Mike Barnes, yeah.

Mike Barnes.

Yeah.

Terry Silver's prodigy.

All right.

So just bear with me.

Geographically, the first 40 minutes of this movie.

Yeah.

So we start in Colorado, I'm pretty sure.

Okay.

We're heading to California to LA.

Pick up the kid.

Yeah.

And around the 20-minute mark,

now we're near the Grand Canyon area, Arizona.

Like five minutes later, we're like Arizona, Utah area.

But now we're back in California 12 minutes later.

Yeah.

Heading to Vegas.

But Vegas vegas is near that Arizona Utah border would have been really easy just to go to Vegas

I don't know where Hawk's driving for the first four he's just driving he's got stuff we're not we're not explaining what the cargo is to his job we got to go to uh arizona and then i got to take take some stuff back to lay like yeah nothing we're just driving around for no reason in different parts of the west coast i don't get it I'm with you.

He mutters something about it that he has to do another pickup and then there's a timeline laid out.

A few days he has to get back to California, but it's lost, it's totally aimless.

I think it's like a whole truck full of narcotics, too.

So, there's nothing right.

He should have gone to Mexico.

Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

When we get through back from Mexico, like, don't say anything to the border police.

Well,

just keep it real low, don't be talking all that bullshit all the time.

Well, listen, what's Zay Watanea was in Mexico, right?

It might be the next day.

Hey, Mike, I need you to put this balloon up your ass just for

an hour, okay?

Take off that stupid ass jacket with one sleeve, you little shit.

All right, sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black casts are untouchable.

So I actually wrote down sequel, Mike Hawk, and then Craig finished it off with Tom Cruise, and I think we're done.

Yeah, Craig, nice job.

But pro wrestler, this Mike Hawk is a pro wrestler?

Is he in heels?

You know, the TV show Heels?

Is he like

one of those type things?

Or is he what?

I don't know what it is, but it's something with Mike Hawk.

He's into trucking.

You know, it's just, that's just he's in the family business.

It's nothing good.

I don't think that's happening.

Maybe Mike Hawk is in the first fast and furious.

He's doing trucks, but they're stolen cars.

And now he's involved with Dom Toretto.

Paul Walker's chasing him.

Totally into that.

They named him Mike Hawk on purpose, right?

Like they understood the joke.

They had to, right?

If you were Mike Hawk, would you be Mike Hawk or Michael Hawk?

I got to go Michael.

Michael, right?

They also could have named him Lincoln Hunt, and then it would have been even dirtier for his son.

Mike Hawk.

Well, that's that Crystal Met Zappa should have said that to him.

Hey, Mike Hawk.

You'd be sucking Mike Hawk in a second.

I'll show you Mike Hawk right now.

I'm the smasher.

Yeah.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Dana Treyo, Sam Jackson, J.T.

Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Evil After Ramon Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall?

The answer is clearly Byron Byron Mayo, who just should have been the grandfather.

They should have mixed up rich guy character with Byron Mayo, and he's just shirtless

holding like a narrow ganset at the top.

And when he goes to Vegas, he's getting at all kinds of shit.

He just turns into Byron Mayo in Vegas.

He's like, Mike!

And the presidential suite's got horrors in there.

Yeah.

Hey, Lincoln, maybe you need to work off some steam.

Shout out to CR.

Mr.

Mayo is speaking to you.

Just one Oscar who gets it.

Obviously, Hagar.

I don't know what one best song that year, but Winner Takes It All had.

Takes it all.

Yeah, give it to him.

Can you imagine the Oscars and the nominees are

and Sammy Hagar for over the top?

And he could have performed it.

Well, you have to perform if you're nominated.

He would go up there, the Red Rocker, late 80s, just blow the roof off that place, the Shrine Auditorium.

Wait, so that would have been the 1988 Oscars.

Yeah.

Google it.

Do it on the flash.

I'll do it on the flash.

You know, I thought I was really prepared for this, but I'm.

You were.

Come on.

Oh, man.

This is a really good category.

Oh,

you already got cold feet about when it takes it all.

Nominees.

Give me the bangers.

Cry Freedom from the Cry Freedom movie.

I can't speak to that.

I remember that one.

Nothing's going to stop us now from mannequin.

Nothing's going to stop.

Oh, shit.

Mannequin Cop again.

That's a good song.

they know?

Shakedown from Beverly Hills Cop Tube from Bob Seeger.

Shakedown, your book.

Breakdown.

Yeah, that sounds good.

Thanks are good.

Storybook Love from the Princess Bride.

Music and lyrics by Willie Deville.

So maybe Cry Freedom or Princess Bride.

I could take in that spot.

But the winner, the winner of the Oscar.

No love.

Had to change.

Mama Mala.

Oh, sure, you can be that.

Yeah.

I mean, that's not better than that.

But I think Winner Takes It All kind of snuck in there.

I would like a nomination so Haggard can be sitting there.

So Sammy Haggard could be sitting next to all those other ones.

I like Shakedown, Breakdown.

I'm going to listen to that after the pod.

Okay, that sounds really good.

Probably an answerable questions.

Did Harry Bosco get cheated?

We ended up with that.

How did Trucker and possible drug dealer Lincoln Hawk end up with a billionaire's daughter in L.A.?

I know.

Great question.

How did he pull?

Well, she obviously hated her father and was revolting.

Probably she was probably doing some drugs, right?

Maybe she was, that was her contact.

Bill.

That's how she ended up getting sick because she was like basically Jenny gumping it for 10 years.

Dirty needles.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A new virus they haven't identified yet.

Yeah, we know what the virus is, Jenny.

Yeah.

Yes.

Good call.

And then what would the sport be in the 2024 version of this?

Probably that stupid slap league.

Slap fight, which I won't and can't watch.

Sorry, not for me.

Love MMA.

Don't like that.

Any other unanswerables?

Yeah.

Do you think it might be just kind of awesome to be a truck driver?

It seems great.

I think that your ass would be sore and you're probably constipated would be the two things probably not as, not as awesome.

You're driving through the mountains, Bill.

You're just crushing pods.

You stop off for a steak.

Like you work out when you want to.

It's a solitary life.

I kind of like, I remember during like the Goodfellas pod, at one point you guys were talking about Henry Hill and CR was like, I think I just kind of want to own a fucking bar in the middle of the movie.

And I really felt that.

At some point I watched this movie.

I'm like, next life, man, I think I might drive a truck.

I think I might be into that.

Different life.

I would like the stops and how you know the different people in the different towns.

You're like, oh, I'm in Phoenix.

I'm going to say hi to Dolores.

She's my favorite diner waitress.

Yeah.

I like that.

And then there's like a little, there's people you would know in each place.

And yeah, I would assume there's a lot of cigarettes.

Yeah.

Because you're probably super bored.

Yes.

Cigarettes.

But this, listen, this is all pre-pods, pre-smartphones.

Like you probably have a sweet truck now.

I don't know.

Maybe next life.

The only other one I had is unanswerable.

Who would win an arm wrestling tournament in the entire ringerverse if there's just all hands on deck?

Who's coming on top of that one?

I mean, the answer is always Brian Curtis.

Yeah.

I don't, yeah, Brian Curtis, like crazy strength.

Now,

could it be him and Rossillo in the finals?

I'm still taking Brian Curtis.

I would go down a dark alley with Brian Curtis.

Yeah, he's like the toughest guy at the ringer.

No disrespect to Brian.

I just know Rossillo is like always in the cage and training.

He does kettlebells kettlebells and all that stuff by the way rascillo might be a truck driver it's not it can't be ruled out he's he's jacked like he might have been inspired by this movie he might be just driving around in a truck i don't know where he is right now

best double feature choice it's got to be cobra come on bill you got to be cobra

cobra and then over the top like if that was on a bill at some small theater you would be delighted absolutely awesome you would take your kids to that i might even choose that as my double feature just with all movies at my disposal.

I would choose that.

I think that's my favorite one, not even for this movie, just generally.

We should mention, you started hitting me up to do this like six weeks ago.

Would you watch it on a plane or something?

I'll tell you why it is.

It's because every time, Bill, I ever post anything on social media about rewatchables, there's like multiple people in the comments who are like, great, now what are you going to do over the top?

When are you doing over the top?

It doesn't matter what we're doing.

Rudy, Naked Gun, anything.

They always want.

I could be tweeting about Dak Prescott and they'll say, Great, what are you doing over the top?

They wanted it.

So here we are.

I don't know then what's the new draft choice going to be?

I don't know.

We got to go back to the list.

This was like

because we've done a few good Schwarzeneggers.

We've done some Van Dam.

There's some Segal left.

There's some meat on the Seagal bone.

And we're going to have to end up doing on Deadly Ground at some point.

Well, Out for Justice is sitting there, and it's anybody seen Richie.

So we may revisit that.

But I also noticed the Rewatchables feed tweeted that uh stallone now with this episode is in the 10 timers club this is the 10 timers club stallone movie that we've done i've done i think four of them and they're still some meat on the bone there's still sly movies like there's still demolition man there's still other set of shit out there i'm glad you brought this up because i figured this out today cruise is at 15 pacino's at 13 de niro's at 12.

Denzel at 11, Hanks and Damon are now Stallone at 10.

But the weird thing about Cruz is he's got like five or six left that we haven't done that are clear cruise movies.

So I think he'll be the first to 20.

But

Kiana's kind of starting to climb up the ladder.

I listened to that.

I think Kiana's at nine.

So anyway, okay.

The Andy Reds are not in a Zawatna award for what happened the next day.

Lincoln ends up with $240,000 plus a $250,000 truck.

Where does he live?

Where does his son live?

Did they start a business?

Is he back into selling big-scale drugs, cocaine, heroin?

Do they move to Mexico?

What happens?

At one point, Michael hits him between the eyes with it.

He's like, What would our life be?

Like, what would we have?

And he's like, Oh, we just have each other.

This makes no sense.

Like, three days after being on the road with his dad, he'd be like, Dad, I got soccer practice.

Like, I got a Nintendo.

I got to go home.

This is not, I'm 10.

I'm 12.

I got to go back to my friends and stuff.

Dad, I'm discovering my body.

Can I go in the back of the truck for like a half hour?

Can you get does the door lock?

I bet it does.

Yeah, I, I probably, he probably goes back to the grandfather within about five weeks.

Yeah.

Maybe he's better off with you.

Well, if you're Lincoln Hawk, the son's in this mansion in Bel Air is probably going to an awesome private school.

He can just go.

He's going to the military academy.

Right.

So maybe he gets an apartment, you know, on sunset.

uses that and can see his son every once in a while and shares cousins.

Like, use the grandfather as an asset.

He's not going to be in the truck with you just driving around on the West Coast.

He's in sixth grade.

I just don't know how to hang on sunset.

Like, he's going to have to park that big rig, like, right in front of Miyagi's or whatever was there back in the day.

That's going to be a tough fit.

Yeah.

Dad's going to be late.

He can't park his truck on sunset.

It's going to take another 40 minutes.

I'm trying to buck it in in front of the settlement.

It's like Meto Soprano.

Yeah.

The memorabilia you'd want from this this movie, I'd have it narrowed down to the black cap at the end of the shoot, which he wears, which apparently he gave to Sami Hagar and then autographed it.

And then it went for charity for $10,000.

But I think it has to be the Hawk at the top of the truck, right?

The Hawk is really cool, especially if you could find a way to affix that to your actual car, like whatever car, like whatever Volkswagen or whatever you drive, you put the Hawk there.

I actually made an alternative choice, but it's the same category.

If there's one of my favorite things on Hawk's car or on Hawk's truck, he has those mud flaps and it says pointing this way, passing side.

And then the other one says suicide and don't pass that way.

And I just imagine myself pulling up to like a travel baseball practice for my son, like going with those mud flaps on my ride.

That's what I want.

Or the banger shirt from Bull Hurley.

I like banger, too.

That was good.

Coach Finstock award for best life lesson.

The world meets nobody halfway.

Nobody.

Nobody.

That's a big deal.

Remember that, kids.

Who won the movie?

Because it probably wasn't Sylvester Stallone.

I think the winner of the movie was Arm Wrestling.

I think if you were to Arm Wrestle your friend right now, you make a reference to this movie.

Everybody, all roads and arm wrestling lead to over the top some 40 years later.

I think arm wrestling won.

If Tyson Badgent

was still the Bears starting quarterback and had this whole moment and now he was a guy.

You could argue maybe he was the belated winner of it because really nobody else won.

The other possibility is Golan Globus, but they lost money on the movie.

So I don't know how they won on that.

So, and by the way, based on what I've seen through three weeks, like I hope Tyson Bage is not playing quarterback for the Bears sometime soon because Caleb's getting the shit kicked out of him.

So, I hope we don't see that kid.

Yeah, what's the play where he just goes backwards, four guys chase him, and then he gets hit by three of them as he throws it up for grabs?

That's called the tech mobile.

You just run backwards, and then eventually they grab you, and you can't zigzag enough.

They didn't know that they couldn't block

when they did this whole thing.

No, but it's all right.

It's all right, but we got all these wide receivers and running backs and stuff.

It'll be fine.

And the coach is totally venerable.

He's been been through a lot of stuff.

It'll be fine.

Right.

It'll be fine.

Tough times for the Bears fans.

Well,

I'm nervous, but we're going to bring in Craig Horlbeck, our producer, who had not seen this movie.

And the only advice we gave him was don't give up in the first 55 minutes.

Just stick with it.

Yeah.

Craig, your review.

It's great.

It's great I have you guys.

I have nobody, literally nobody else in my life I could talk to

about these movies.

Look, is this one of the better of this category?

Probably not.

Do I love it?

And will I treat it like a child?

Yeah.

The first half is really rough.

I'm not going to lie.

I think this made me push back when I want to have kids by like a year.

I fairly hated that kid.

Yeah.

I didn't know this was good.

I was expecting, you know,

some version of Cobra.

Did not realize this was like a father-son drama with an arm wrestling through line, which just, I was laughing at myself 40 minutes into this movie.

I was like, what are are we doing?

We're just like driving around.

There's a sick mom.

I don't even know why she's sick.

Yeah, like the fact that these things get green lit with one of the biggest stars in the world, truly shocking.

I have some qualms, though.

I wish it was more, like, we need more 80s edge, you know?

I'm used to like unnecessary nudity.

There was no gratuitous nudity in this movie.

We needed that.

Well, they were trying to make it like a, like a family action drama.

Is this a kids' movie?

Yeah, I don't, I don't know who it was for.

In high school, it definitely wasn't for me, but we liked it anyway.

But it wasn't like a cool thing to go see this on a Friday night.

It was a little antiseptic.

There's no drugs.

There's no cigarettes.

There's no, they don't even really drink.

Stallone doesn't have a beer, I don't think.

Like, I needed more to this.

But as soon as Hagar comes in, you understood

why you were there and why we're doing this.

Come on.

Last half hour.

I mean, it felt like a prequel to the movie I wanted to see.

Like,

I wanted to see Stallone full arm wrestling.

I don't, you know, the rest of it is all prologue.

What did you think of arm wrestling in general as the featured sport of an actual 80s movie?

It's not a very visually appealing thing.

It's not very cinematic.

It's tough to get there.

There's not a lot of movement.

I will say I did appreciate the like the quick slam.

Yeah.

It was like a fun, a fun closing move.

I like Craig when they show the guys and they're warming up and they're doing like shadow arm wrestling, like getting loose, like going like that.

Like they have a whole routine to do.

It's the only way they can warm up yeah one thing i did appreciate you i don't think you guys mentioned this i liked sly using his own semi truck as like a workout machine yeah yeah he was using like the grill from the front grill of the truck to like do curls that was that was unique that was innovative i had never seen anyone work out with a car like that that was innovative I think Sly has figured out more unconventional ways to work out in a movie than any other actor.

I mean, in Rocky IV is the peak of that, right?

He's just like, what do we have around this log cabin that we could use for the montage?

I'm going to pull a sled through the snow and I can feed this unbeatable Russian dude.

Yeah.

Right.

He's just doing upside down chin-ups, just hanging from a log beam.

No pain.

No pain.

Was this whole era of Stallone considered like a big step down for him?

This guy 10 years ago wrote a best picture winning movie.

And now he's just making Cobra and over the.

You know what's funny about it?

It really was great the entire time.

It was that the step step-down part didn't happen till the late 80s.

Everything he released, I loved.

I loved all of it.

Cobra, Rambo 2,

whatever it was.

We were all in.

We were like, all right, Stallone's cooking again.

It was almost like we all had season tickets for Stallone.

No doubt.

So nobody was like, hey, maybe lean back into something that's a little bit more prestigious, awards worthy.

They were like,

well, that's what he ends up doing that when he kind of has the Stallone reboot in the 90s.

He does Cliffhanger, which is like a really smart, big-budget action movie version of what he should be.

And he tries to do the specialist, but then eventually does Copland, which was his attempt to try to win the Oscar.

That's my favorite Stallone.

The only comp I can think of is Nicholas Cage wins the Oscar for leaving Las Vegas and then is doing like Con Air and Face Off in like these popcorn action movies.

Like, what the fuck?

Why would you do that?

I don't know.

It's just what he liked to do.

Yeah, it's, I'm really, I don't know, I can't speak for Kyle, but I'm delighted with the Stallone IMDb.

Oh, it's so good.

I love how it played out.

Like, we haven't done lockup yet.

That movie is just abjectly insane.

I know.

He just, he, he basically, we hit the mid-80s and he's just like, how much?

I'll do it.

And that's how he, and because I think he knows he can't beat Schwarzenegger, right?

Schwarzenegger is this whole other animal.

James Cameron's trying to work with him.

And Stallone's like, all right.

God bless him.

I had my run.

Just two nights ago, I showed my 10-year-old Terminator 2 and it blew his fucking mind.

I don't think Stallon's ever made anything like that.

He's never, Rocky's the closest, right?

Yeah, in the 70s, you know.

All right, that's it for the rewatchables.

Thanks to Craig Krolbeck for producing.

Thanks to our guy, Kyle Brandt.

We'll have to figure out a new one.

Yeah.

Everyone's begging us to do this one because I figured over the top was the number one.

We'll, we'll get, we'll, we'll hear from the feedback, but uh, you can watch this as well on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel, guys.

Great to see you.

Thank you.