#149 Sarah Adams - Is the Pentagon Ignoring the Most Dangerous Threat of All?

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Speaker 1 Sarah Adams, welcome back. Great to be here.
We have a love-hate relationship. I love seeing you and having you on the show.

Speaker 1 And then every time you leave, I'm pissed off about everything you're talking about.

Speaker 1 So we had a what earlier this week, actually, was yeah, it was this week, you posted something about the Pentagon getting pissed off at you and sending you an email that they don't appreciate you disseminating open source information and that you're not doing it through the proper channels.

Speaker 1 What is

Speaker 1 so? We're going to dive into that. That's why thank you for rushing out here.
I wanted to get that. I wanted to get that immediately.
And so we're going to crank this out

Speaker 1 in like three days.

Speaker 1 But anyways, and then we got a whole slew of other topics to go over. But for those of you that don't know, this is your third appearance on the show.

Speaker 1 We already have a fourth scheduled for later in 2025. But Sarah Adams, co-author of Benghazi, Know Thy Enemy, a cold case investigation.

Speaker 1 Former CIA officer, Libyan crisis before, during, and after the 9-11 attacks, counterterrorism analyst, targeter for the CIA, senior advisor on the select committee on Benghazi, NGO official working across multiple conflict zones, including Afghanistan, Ukraine, and Sudan, known to be 10% humanitarian, 90% warlord.

Speaker 1 That's me.

Speaker 1 But, hey, I heard you call my, I heard you mention that my new,

Speaker 1 I just hired this guy, my new head of production. You said he looks like a terrorist.
Please don't fucking kill him. I really, really need him here.

Speaker 1 So if you could just refrain from that, that would be, that would be great.

Speaker 2 It's dark in here and he walked in.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. You don't have his address yet, do you?

Speaker 2 Oh, I could have it by the end of the day if I wanted to.

Speaker 1 Perfect. Well, anyways,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 let's just start with the Pentagon stuff. I read your tweet and

Speaker 1 actually, let's start with open source information. Just for the audience, can you describe what open source info is, open source intelligence?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, a lot of people get confused about this. I've even noticed in our past interviews, right? So, like our Benghazi investigation, we've collected this entirely ourselves, right?

Speaker 2 So, we are the ones on the ground getting the information. So, it's obviously not classified channels, right?

Speaker 2 We're not going to foreign militaries, you know, we're not going to the intelligence community and getting this information.

Speaker 2 So, it's publicly available, and we can basically share it with whomever we want because it's completely unclassified. So, what we do is when we get threat information, we pass it to where it belongs.

Speaker 2 Sometimes a threat is against a foreign government, so we'll send it to maybe like the ambassador at the embassy in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 2 And then, sometimes a threat is against us. And so, we recently got some threats against U.S.
embassies.

Speaker 2 So, we've been reaching out to the embassies to let the ambassador know, and then, of course, to let the RSO know, right?

Speaker 2 The regional security officer who would be in charge of security at those embassies to let them know.

Speaker 2 And so, when I reached out to one of them in Africa, I got a nasty gram back from the Pentagon that I didn't go through formal channels to share the information, which is ironic because it's unclassified.

Speaker 2 But the crazy part is

Speaker 2 they didn't ask anything about the threat. They didn't say, you know, anything about the sourcing, where we got it from.
They didn't show any concern at all for the personnel at the embassy.

Speaker 2 They just cared that I gave them something.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't understand how the Pentagon would not be concerned with the safety of Americans in an American embassy.

Speaker 1 And the only thing they're concerned about is the information that you're collecting open source.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And remember, there's DOD personnel.
There's 100% DOD personnel at the embassy I'm talking about. So that's the crazy part, right?

Speaker 2 Instead of just reaching out to me and saying, hey, this is really interesting information. Can we work together? You know, we'd love to hear what you have.
Come sit down with our team.

Speaker 2 You know, let's see how we can get ahead of this threat. Like, they got mad that I gave it to the State Department, which is who you would give a threat to the embassy to.

Speaker 1 Can you talk about the actual threat that the Pentagon doesn't seem to think is important?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you know, I've talked previously about Al-Qaeda planning embassy attacks. Obviously, I've talked about they're planning an attack in Bamako and Mali.

Speaker 2 So this is another location in Africa where they're planning the attack. I don't want to give up everyone I know because, you know, then you get into sourcing.

Speaker 2 Obviously, everyone I know I will pass to the U.S. government, especially the State Department.
So I don't hold on to threat reporting, but it's just Al-Qaeda has all these waves of attacks planned.

Speaker 2 Okay, if you've read our October 7th Know Thy Enemy report, you know this all started with the Hamas attacks, right?

Speaker 2 That was one of Al-Qaeda's planned attack, and we can talk more about that one later.

Speaker 2 So they have kind of like these waves against Israel, and then they have like waves against Europe, waves against us, waves waves to create the Islamic Caliphate, right?

Speaker 2 So a lot of the African plotting, for example, is the waves to create the Islamic Caliphate. So the Islamic Caliphate is basically obviously Afghanistan, Syria.

Speaker 2 That's why they've trained a lot what's going on right now. Iraq,

Speaker 2 they're in a dream world. They have India on it.
And then it's like all of North Africa. And then in a future phase, it then goes up into Spain, right? Like in the olden days.

Speaker 2 So it's just all their plots they have in place to put into motion these elements. And so their embassy plots, for example, are

Speaker 2 they have some in Africa and then they have some in Europe and then they have some in the Middle East, all for a different purpose.

Speaker 2 The Middle East is to push us out for the caliphates, the Africa is to push us out for the caliphates, and then the Europe, right, is just to go after, and then that'll go in with the Homeland Attack too.

Speaker 2 But the Europe is just to target the U.S. for its involvement in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 Do they have a priority list?

Speaker 2 They don't exactly have a priority list. Like they're all waves and some can be concurrent.
What matters is how long it takes to train attackers, right?

Speaker 2 So the Hamas attacks was like less than 1,500 guys, right? They actually initially planned to train them from August 7th.

Speaker 2 2022 to October 7th, 2022. They ended up pushing the attack a year.
And so they ended up with more training, which helped the attackers because of Zawrihiri's assassination. So then the U.S.

Speaker 2 homeland, for example, they want to use a thousand terrorists, right? So that took time to put the thousand through the pipeline. Syria, they trained 10,000 terrorists to send to Syria.

Speaker 2 It takes time to put 10,000 terrorists through the pipeline, right? So it depends on the size and the camp capacity and then the type of training, right?

Speaker 2 Are you putting them through suicide bomber training? That's its own camps, and that's about 20% of the camps they run. Are you putting them through advanced urban warfare?

Speaker 2 So it just depends on what camp you're going to. And then even some of the camps are broken down by ethnicity.
Like they might not put Libyans in the same camp as they put Somalians or Syrians.

Speaker 2 So some camps are broken down if you're Arab or not.

Speaker 2 So it really is just going to depend on those capacities.

Speaker 1 You know, these guys, I remember, I think it was you that posted a video of

Speaker 1 an al-Qaeda training camp, and it was almost like a display. It looked like a well-done YouTube video of skills.
Is that

Speaker 2 common? Yeah, but that stepped out.

Speaker 1 That was really fucking good.

Speaker 2 That's Taliban. Those are the Taliban camps.
So we can't get those kind of videos out of the Al-Qaeda camps, as you can imagine. You can't even bring phones into the Al-Qaeda camps.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, so Al-Qaeda is even a level above those.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm going to overlay that video for the audience to see just how sharp these guys are getting. I mean,

Speaker 1 that's really fucking good.

Speaker 1 When I saw that, it scared the shit out of me.

Speaker 2 Remember, their life is they train all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So if that's all you're doing all day long, I mean, you're going to get really competent in it. And then they have different emotions behind it too.

Speaker 2 And, you know, different beliefs and the religion behind it too, which makes you more devout.

Speaker 1 And then we had a little brief discussion about suicide, the invisible bomb busts downstairs. Can you go into that a little bit?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you know, it's kind of one of those things that keep you up at night, right?

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Speaker 2 So we first talked about what they call the invisible bomb in the newsletter. And basically, it was highlighted in December,

Speaker 2 just this last December, and it was Al-Qaeda's

Speaker 2 in the Arab Peninsula. So their branch in Yemen, right? And they basically were showing off.
It's really interesting. The video got taken down right away.

Speaker 2 And then I think most people in the U.S. didn't even see it.
So like TSA completely ignored putting out the actual piece of the video that mattered.

Speaker 2 And so the big piece of the video was teaching terrorists how to make a bomb that goes through a magnetrometer.

Speaker 2 So, you know, like most airports in the world, you don't have that weird hand scan thing. You just go through a random metal detector.
So this bomb basically goes through the metal detector. Okay.

Speaker 2 So they were showing it off then. Well, now Al-Qaeda is advanced and it's in.
a suicide vest. But the interesting part is it doesn't just go supposedly through the metal detector.

Speaker 2 They made it with components dogs aren't trained on to sniff. So so if you say, okay, well, we'll up our security and put more dogs, Al-Qaeda is saying, well, we've defeated that too.

Speaker 2 And this is the type of vest they plan to use potentially in their homeland attack that's coming up. So it's very concerning because we aren't prepared for that.

Speaker 2 I mean, most of the buildings you go into, even if they have some sort of thing, it's already defeats that.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think we're prepared for anything that's coming. Right.
We're not. I mean,

Speaker 1 do we have any preparations at all? I mean, from what I've seen, we have no preparations.

Speaker 1 We're going to get into more about the funding of Taliban. I mean, we're funding our own demise here.
I mean,

Speaker 1 have you seen any positives? Is anybody doing anything?

Speaker 2 No, and actually, Al-Qaeda makes a joke out of the fact that they move the money we give to the Taliban to the camps that train the homeland attackers, right?

Speaker 2 So it's almost like an insider joke, like, yes, we are forcing America to fund their own attacks. So that is the plan, too, that the money will go back to us and our government.

Speaker 2 And then that makes Americans also look at our government like, it's an inside job. You knew it, right? And so Al-Qaeda is going to play that game, which is really interesting.

Speaker 2 Al-Qaeda found the Building Seven conspiracy stuff fascinating.

Speaker 2 And they have actually had discussions about how we could do ruses and bring in the Building Seven people to make them blame their government more.

Speaker 2 So they're actually even looking at our conspiracies and targeting those people for the homeland attack.

Speaker 2 So basically, those people almost back al-Qaeda as revolutionaries and rebels and heroes against our government. Kind of like how the Hamas supporters do it.

Speaker 1 All right. So we have a list of stuff to go down here.
I think since we're funding the Taliban, let's start there. But, you know,

Speaker 1 you broke that news first. You broke $40 million a week.
was going to the Taliban funded from State Department or funded from State Department to all these different NGOs.

Speaker 1 Then our mutual friend Legend came on. He broke that it was actually $40 to $87 million a week.
Then, you know, we're also, Scott Mann has confirmed it,

Speaker 1 former Green Beret Lieutenant Colonel retired.

Speaker 1 Then me and Scott went to Vienna to interview Masood, who is the, you know, for everybody that hasn't seen that, that's the leader of the, the, the commander of the Afghan resistance.

Speaker 1 And he confirmed it as well. And so we've actually put a petition out.

Speaker 1 I just looked at it this morning. It has 382,000 signatures.
I'm going to link the petition below again to spend that out again. And we sent that to McCall.

Speaker 1 Nothing.

Speaker 1 From what I understand, not one fucking thing has been done. Why do you think Congressman McCall hasn't done it? It's because, you know, I see these reports.
He was drunk at the airport.

Speaker 1 Maybe he's just too drunk to actually do anything. Or maybe he's too busy.
You know, the other story I hear about him all the time is the insider trading shit. Has he done anything, anything at all?

Speaker 2 No, the problem is.

Speaker 2 It's kind of like they bring these people in front of Congress. They give them five-minute sound clips, right?

Speaker 2 They make a little bit of news off it, but there's no then action or there's no plan to do any accountability. And then they say, yeah, Americans, we did what you wanted.

Speaker 2 We brought Tyler Andrew Vargas on, right? But what has he done for him since it happened, right? And this is the big problem of Congress.

Speaker 2 You know, people say these Congress people aren't doing their jobs, but they keep voting them back in, right?

Speaker 2 Like we complain about them, but no one's actually holding their feet to the fire to do their job. I honestly don't think we're going to get anything effective against the Taliban, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, your congressman, you know, Representative Burchett, he put the money in to stop. the money, the bill to stop the money going to the Taliban.
It's sitting in the Senate.

Speaker 2 I don't think anyone's picked it up. Nancy Mays tried to do the bill to actually designate the Taliban a terrorist organization.

Speaker 2 I heard a number of Republican congresspeople reach out to her and gave her a hard time about it. So that's completely dead.
We can't even get our congresspeople to call them a terrorist.

Speaker 1 What is why? What's behind that?

Speaker 2 My theory is we have some people who haven't thought this through because of the Ukraine war and they think we can especially use someone like Sarajahdin Haqqani as a coronavirus to Russia.

Speaker 2 There's no other explanation for the amount of money we're putting into this because it's not just up to 87 million a week. That's only the money we fly into Kabul, right? We send money other ways.

Speaker 2 Another one really great example is we fund the Taliban's political office in Qatar. That's not the 87 million.
There's at least 10 million that we just pay their operating expenses a month.

Speaker 2 Completely separate. Yeah, we've been doing that since 2013.

Speaker 2 So this is not a new thing we've been funding the Taliban, right? We were funding them while they're killing our soldiers.

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Speaker 1 I just don't know. I just don't.
Where is it hung up in the Senate?

Speaker 2 Have you heard anything?

Speaker 1 Who's holding it up?

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know if someone's holding it up. Basically, a senator, hopefully a grouping of them, are supposed to pick it up and then they shepherd it through the process.
Like they sponsor it.

Speaker 2 I don't think we've seen anyone pick it up to sponsor it.

Speaker 1 What else should I be asking you about funding the Taliban?

Speaker 2 You know, well, another thing is, you know, just a couple updates from last time, you know, obviously the money hasn't stopped.

Speaker 2 But, you know, we found out, so the Taliban has a supreme leader, right? Haibatullah Akunzada. And we found out

Speaker 2 his budget just for his office is 48 million a year. Think about that.
It's a Taliban commander. That's just the budget for his office, like to run.
Like, I mean, how much is this?

Speaker 2 How much do you pay to run this a year? So we actually basically counted kind of the bags of money that go to him, you know, from these weekly deliveries.

Speaker 2 And he's getting, he gets a small cut compared to like Siraj Hadina Khani, who probably gets five, six times what he gets.

Speaker 2 But we're giving him about three million a month, so we're almost funding his entire office. The U.S.
government is with counter-terrorism dollars, right?

Speaker 2 The problem with this is, is we're basically playing both sides of the Taliban, and they're playing a ruse on us. So, Haibatullah is what you call the Kandahari Taliban.

Speaker 2 That's just that original Taliban that Mullah Omar was in, that founded the Taliban in like the mid-90s, okay? Then you have the Haqqani network, right?

Speaker 2 Sirajuddin Haqani, his father was Jalaluddin Haqqani. We famously backed him during the Mujahideen era.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 these are kind of two of the senior leaders besides Mullah Omar's son, okay?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the U.S. plays them off of each other, but they don't.
We think we're effectively playing them off of each other, but they communicate almost every day through telegram.

Speaker 2 They do all their approvals together. They share information, but they use this fake kind of

Speaker 2 battle between them. So when they sit down with the Americans, they can say, oh, yeah, here's the political crisis going on between the Kandahari Taliban and the Haqqani Taliban.

Speaker 2 And then America wastes a ton of time on that. And then they ignore the terrorism.
They ignore, you know,

Speaker 2 all the murders going on, the apartheid against the women, right? So they're basically making us focus on an issue that doesn't even exist.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 2 Oh, and then one other thing, too, that's really interesting. So, you know, how we have old man Jalaluddin Haqqani, right? He's one of the most famous people at the time, you know.

Speaker 2 He has a brother. His name is Khalil.
Okay. So this is Siraj Addin's uncle.
So his job in the Taliban is he's the head of refugees. So he has this really interesting scheme.

Speaker 2 We've put a lot of work into it since last time I was here. And what he does is he goes to basically the pot of money that we give for humanitarian.

Speaker 2 So this isn't the counterterrorism dollars because the money that 3 million Hybatullah gets is our counterterrorism dollars. Well, Khalil goes right after the humanitarian dollars.

Speaker 2 And what he does is say, I need,

Speaker 2 he collects 5 million a month in this one that we ran down. So he goes and he says, I need 5 million a month.
This money goes to Afghans returning from Pakistan to be resettled in Nangahar.

Speaker 2 What he really does with the $5 million is he gives it to basically another one of his family members, Abdulaziz Haqqani, and he brings it and drops it off at al-Qaeda training camps.

Speaker 2 And that's a humanitarian dollars. And so they're basically lying and saying it's going to refugees.
And I guess it is. It's going to foreign fighters from foreign countries.

Speaker 2 There's Libyans in these camps, but it just goes and gets delivered directly to terrorist camps.

Speaker 1 You know, I just, how do we,

Speaker 1 I mean, we've abandoned the Afghan people. We're funding our own demise.

Speaker 1 What would you like to see? I mean, do you think we should be,

Speaker 1 I feel really bad for our allies over there, you know, that we trained alongside with, we fought with,

Speaker 1 you know, for, what, 20 plus years, and we just left them out to dry, left all of the intelligence there, left the biometrics, left their addresses, left their fingerprints, left their names, and they're just getting assassinated in record numbers.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I mean, how do, do you think we should be funding the NRF?

Speaker 2 So I think we should fund a coalition of the resistance.

Speaker 2 So if you just do the NRF, in my opinion, and I hope I don't upset people, you can't win, right? The NRF is mostly the Tajiks.

Speaker 2 You also have to bring in the Pashtun resistance and then, you know, the Hazaris. Like you need a resistance of the different ethnicities and groups.
That's how the Libyans actually did it.

Speaker 2 They weren't successful, right? So you have to have a coalition or like an external government formed. And I think that's what we fund.

Speaker 2 And then we're funding multiple pieces of the resistance because each of them have different access in different areas, right? Each of them will be successful in different ways.

Speaker 2 Even the women's movement alone, right, has its own insider things you can take advantage of, right? So I do think we shouldn't pick just one resistance group.

Speaker 2 We should tell them, come together and, you know, and we're here to to back you.

Speaker 1 Is there, I mean, that's

Speaker 1 after my interview with Masoud, I dug in a little bit more and I did, and Scott did, and you did, and you guys are the ones that feed me all that information. But it sounds like that,

Speaker 1 are they working together at all yet? Because it seems very compartmentalized and

Speaker 1 it is.

Speaker 1 They need to get their shit together.

Speaker 1 It's getting a little frustrating.

Speaker 2 Yes, they need to get their shit together, but I do think privately they do work a little closer. They have a public thing they do once a year.
It's a Vienna meeting. It's not enough.

Speaker 2 I do see a little more collaboration between groups than people see, but I do see a lot of them undercutting each other.

Speaker 2 They do a lot of gossip, right? Like this person works with the Iranians, this person works with the Russians, right?

Speaker 2 And they're not thinking, hey, we're a united front against the Taliban, you know, like our near-term goal is to defeat the Taliban because even some of them like are focused on their regions and they might not even want to be Afghanistan if the Taliban falls.

Speaker 2 They might want their own region, right? So we don't have a catalyst yet to even pull all them together, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 At least in the Libyan revolution, Every single person wanted Gaddafi dead and every single person, even the terrorists, right, were like, our goal, our immediate goal is to take him him out, right?

Speaker 2 And they all came together with that immediate goal, but we don't actually have something like that in Afghanistan. And I think that's one of the complaints that has always occurred over the years.

Speaker 2 There are even pieces within, you know, the Afghan community that have always downplayed the Taliban. So when I caught the number two of the Taliban, Mula Barader, right? So we caught him in Pakistan.

Speaker 2 He was in Pakistani custody. Well, when the Afghan government reached out to us, they didn't reach out to render him and put him in Bagram.
They reached out and said, you need to release him.

Speaker 2 Why did you detain him? So think of how that makes the government look at Afghans. It's like, well, you don't really think that the Taliban is that much of a threat.

Speaker 2 You're asking them to release the operational leader, the number two of the Taliban, right? So we still have this problem

Speaker 2 where a lot of people still sit at the table with the Taliban, right? Kharil Zad's really great example.

Speaker 2 So we also need to do something with these Taliban sympathizers because they're going to keep undercutting any kind of resistance. And I do think they're a part of keeping people split too.

Speaker 2 So yeah, they all have to come together. And, you know, I've honestly had said this frankly to people.
So, you know, Al-Qaeda's planning a homeland attack.

Speaker 2 And I've actually said to people in the resistance,

Speaker 2 if that attack happens

Speaker 2 and you guys haven't come together and you can't show us you're a capable force, we're going to Pakistan, right?

Speaker 2 I'm going to call up the Pakistanis and say, I need, I'm going to give you a lot of money to take out Hamza bin Laden.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to call the resistance because you guys are in fighting, you didn't come together. So, I do think they need to come up with a plan.

Speaker 2 Even in Haiti, after those gangs took over, like right away, they're like, Oh, we made this interim council, right? Like, that matters to the West.

Speaker 2 It might not matter to the people fighting and doing attacks every day against Taliban, but you need some sort of united front to get recognition.

Speaker 1 Who do you envision would take control of that?

Speaker 2 Would it be Massoud? I would like a power-sharing agreement. Obviously, you know,

Speaker 2 I like NRF. I really like General Zia.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I would probably lean a little more towards him. Like I said, I don't really like to pick sides, though.
I think you can have leaders across this doing multiple things.

Speaker 2 Even if you think about the Libyan Revolution, you can't name a guy. You can name the guy who set up the council, Usama al-Jalali, but you can't name the commanders.

Speaker 2 There was no head commander, right? Like they all ran certain pieces of it. And I think that's what it needs to be.

Speaker 1 Well, they're going to be watching this. They're watching this show like they're on it.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Well, you know, the terrorists watch it more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I found that out. They started tweeting about it

Speaker 1 on X, which,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's kind of, you know, unsettling. But, you know,

Speaker 1 there's another thing that you kind of brought up. Why is the why did the UN invite the Taliban to talk about climate change? Do they, are they, what is that?

Speaker 2 So the UN essentially wants to recognize the Taliban, right? But there's every time they try, women show up and protest. And so they're now trying, like, it seems odd ways to do it.

Speaker 2 And they're like, let's bring them to the table on the climate, right? Because people agree on that.

Speaker 2 So it's just the UN's way to keep kind of opening the doors more and more to the Taliban because the intent is to recognize that government.

Speaker 2 Like the UN is not planning anything that I have seen to basically go after the Taliban.

Speaker 2 Remember, they, we talked about this previously, they gave up the restrictions on some of the Taliban senior leaders' travels. That's how Sirajadina Khani got to go to the Hajj, right?

Speaker 2 The UN Security Council allowed that. So, yeah, this is just another step in their process to recognize the Taliban.

Speaker 1 So, they don't. So,

Speaker 1 this has nothing to do with climate change. No, it's not.
This has everything to do with just come on.

Speaker 2 You lived over there. They burn shit every day.

Speaker 1 They burn tires to keep warm.

Speaker 1 I remember spitting in the sink in winter, and my spit was gray. Yeah.
How bad it was.

Speaker 2 Just not at the edge of the climate change problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but

Speaker 1 the audience doesn't know that. And so that's why I want to bring that up, you know, is

Speaker 1 it has nothing to do with climate change. It's only politics.
Yep.

Speaker 1 So let's move into

Speaker 1 Hansa bin Laden.

Speaker 2 Let's move into this. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 since I was on the last time, the Western press finally broke he's alive. The interesting part is the U.S.
still won't print it. The U.S.
press won't.

Speaker 2 But what happened is, interestingly, British intel leaked it to their press. Really? Yeah.
And from what I'm hearing, they did it because they were upset that.

Speaker 2 So apparently the CIA has been trying to curb the U.S. intelligence community and even trying to curb the Brits, saying Hamza's not alive.
Don't talk about Hamza.

Speaker 2 And basically, the Brits are like, screw you, and they put it out in the press. The funny part is the U.S.
press still didn't pick it up. So the U.S.

Speaker 2 press still went to the CIA, and CIA is like, don't print it. So it went, you know, all over the world.
It was all over in India, all over in Africa, and it didn't print here.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Why does the CIA not want that out?

Speaker 2 Because they

Speaker 2 don't believe Hamza Milan's alive.

Speaker 2 Excuse me. I know.

Speaker 1 How so? He's like running Al-Qaeda.

Speaker 2 He's hosting meetings like every week.

Speaker 1 Why don't do they really not believe that? Or

Speaker 1 they just to cover their tracks.

Speaker 2 I think they really don't believe it, but then they've put no effort in the last couple of years to be like, well, we should run it down and maybe reverse our assessment.

Speaker 2 And remember, the same thing happened after Benghazi, right? We knew Al-Qaeda was there in real time.

Speaker 2 And then they all went down some weird fake protest thing, but then CIA never changed their assessments when they knew Al-Qaeda was on the compound, right?

Speaker 2 So sometimes it's almost impossible to get the CIA to to reverse an assessment.

Speaker 1 So for those that don't know, Hamza bin Laden is married. He's basically the catalyst here.

Speaker 1 He is marrying into all these terrorist networks. We discussed this on your previous interview, but just to summarize it, he is kind of uniting them.
The common goal is to

Speaker 1 come to the West, terrorize the West. How is this guy different than his father, Osama?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Hamza's a problem.

Speaker 2 So it's really interesting. So, Osama bin Laden, first off, Hamza really believes in being kind of undercover and covert.

Speaker 2 Like, he doesn't want to really go out there and be on TV or even do like the audio recordings. Like, he wants to stay under the radar, hidden.
He wants you to not even like know he's running things.

Speaker 2 So, he wants a hidden hand in everything. So, I told you, they're involved in October 7th.
Al-Qaeda is never going to claim responsibility for it.

Speaker 2 Al-Qaeda is not going to claim responsibility for these embassy attacks. And they have a plan for that, I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 They're not going to claim responsibility for the Europe tax, and they're definitely not going to claim responsibility for the U.S. Homeland Tax.
Very different, right, than his father.

Speaker 2 The other thing is, his father.

Speaker 1 Hold on, hold on. Why? Why are they not claiming responsibility?

Speaker 2 Because they want to keep their safe havens intact, and they don't actually care if you know it was Al-Qaeda. They just want to take it to us, right? Oh, shit.

Speaker 2 It does not matter if it's ISIS, if it's HTS, if it's Hamas.

Speaker 2 They're all one, right? They're all in the Islamic army. And nobody's taking this Islamic army concept seriously, but Hamza views all the terrorist groups in the world now under his Islamic army.

Speaker 2 And that's the way he views them. And he's almost like Iranian Qudsforce, where he's like, okay, this is my proxy here.
This is my proxy here. This is my proxy here.

Speaker 2 Like he's planning an attack in Lebanon against some sort of U.S. interest, right? It's an al-Qaeda-Hezbollah plot.
But when it occurs, only Hezbollah is going to take responsibility.

Speaker 2 You won't even know Al-Qaeda is involved in it.

Speaker 2 Just like Julani's Blitzkrieg, al-Qaeda has supported that right they gave him 10,000 fighters right Taliban gave him camps in Afghanistan are you hearing anything about the Taliban and Al-Qaeda right now when they're talking about Syria no Syria did you hear their names come up at all for October 7th no yeah Hamza's killing it so Hamza now wants to do completely covert action and let everything fall under this

Speaker 2 Islamic army. And the really interesting thing is his father was incredibly patient, right? Remember, everybody knows it took him five years to approve 9-11.

Speaker 2 And Osama bin Laden was like, hey, we can create the caliphate. I'm okay if it takes a thousand years.
Hamza wants to do everything in his lifetime.

Speaker 2 He wants the Islamic Caliphate to be created in his lifetime. He wants to bring all of his father's goals, you know,

Speaker 2 to fruition. And one of them was take it to America, right, on U.S.
soil, make them feel the war zones at home. And Hamza takes that very serious.
And that's why he has gone full force on this plot.

Speaker 2 The interesting part is Hamza will approve a plot in one meeting, right? Bring it in, brief it, brief this plan you have for the embassy. Yep, I'm good.

Speaker 2 So he moves a lot faster. And actually, of all things, the IRGC and Iran have complained.
And they're even when they work with Al-Qaeda, they're like, we want Saif al-Adl.

Speaker 2 He's more calm, cool, collected. Like we trust him more.
We don't think he's going to cause a big ruckus. But they're like, Hamza's a loose cannon.
He's running at full speed.

Speaker 2 We don't know how to control him. So it's almost an interesting thing.
So it's funny, right?

Speaker 2 Other governments are seeing this, and our government won't even talk about him being alive, and he's running fast against us.

Speaker 1 Can you, wow, can you go

Speaker 1 what are his goals? So hold on, I got a lot of questions. So if we have, we have all these networks, we have all these terrorism networks.
Is Hamza literally the number one guy?

Speaker 2 So Hamza is the number one guy of what is now called the Islamic Army, okay? Okay. So the Islamic Army is Sunni Shia.
It is his father's vision. Hamz has now put it to reality in the last two years.

Speaker 2 And it basically pulls in every group. It's Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, whomever.
whoever will agree to it. Obviously, there's a lot of negotiations going on to get people into this.

Speaker 2 This isn't easy, right? Like they're constantly giving up things to get people to join in. So he's been very successful.
They've now trained about 120,000 people under this Islamic army umbrella.

Speaker 2 So these new crews are coming in. They're not basically training in an ISIS camp or an al-Qaeda camp.
They are, but they're coming out of it as Islamic army.

Speaker 2 So when they're doing deployments to Syria, to Somalia, to Mali, these fighters are viewing themselves as Islamic army.

Speaker 2 And the point of that is, if they get detained, they're not going to say al-Qaeda, right?

Speaker 2 So, so Hamza set this up, and then he took one of his father's old bodyguards, Hamza al-Ghamdi, his name is, and put him in charge.

Speaker 2 So, Hamza al-Ghamdi is actually basically the commander of the Islamic army.

Speaker 2 Maybe like a month ago, FBI upped his reward. So, this is funny.
So, Hamza al-Ghamdi is worth $5 million.

Speaker 2 Hamza bin Laden, who's in charge of Hamza al-Gandhi, and appointed him, he's on the the WANA list for 1 million.

Speaker 2 So we don't even have our priorities right of who's in charge, who the enemy is, what they're involved in. So yeah, so there's the whole Islamic army piece, okay?

Speaker 2 Now, under the Islamic army falls the original goals of Osama bin Laden, right?

Speaker 2 One is to push the U.S. out of the Middle East.
That's the wave of attacks that had the Israel attack, right? It's going to be the wave of attacks or the embassy attacks, right?

Speaker 2 Because it's to push us out of embassies in the Middle East like they're targeting US Embassy Baghdad for example right makes perfect sense and then there is the restoration of the caliphate so the Syria push is a restoration of the caliphate the Mali push is the restoration of the caliphate so he's just doing his father's old goals but faster and he's using all the other terrorist groups to make it happen it's not going to be al-Qaeda breaching these goals it's going to be al-Qaeda ISIS whomever and the way that they're dealing with it is when they're sitting down making these agreements.

Speaker 2 So when they sat down and talked about Syria and Iraq, okay.

Speaker 2 Al-Qaeda now has given up the thought of, I want to own territory. Al-Qaeda's thought, I want to be the governments,

Speaker 2 right? Or I want my allies to be the government. So they more want a political power.

Speaker 2 So they sat down with ISIS and says, ISIS, if you want to run certain parts of Syria, you want to run certain parts of Iraq. And they've had the same discussion with IRGC.
Like, we're fine with that.

Speaker 2 Like, let's come to agreement on what that looks like. So, um, so there's some really interesting partnerships going on when you'd say, oh, no, they're against each other.

Speaker 2 It's like, no, they're finding ways to compromise because they all want the same things in a different way.

Speaker 1 You had mentioned they have a couple of different goals. Well, a handful of goals.
You'd mentioned Europe. You mentioned Israel, I believe, you mentioned the U.S.

Speaker 1 where are all the targets?

Speaker 1 Let's leave the U.S. for last.

Speaker 2 Sure. So, if you talk about Israel, obviously, there was the Big Hamas attack, and then they actually have a couple other waves of attacks.
I know one of them, and I shared it.

Speaker 2 I'll probably get yelled at for sharing that one too.

Speaker 2 And then they want to do

Speaker 2 against Israel, what they do with us, like attack the embassies. Okay, so that's the Israel piece.

Speaker 2 And then they want to do attacks on Europe. But the interesting part is, even their Europe attacks,

Speaker 2 they're still leaning towards, hey, when we go attack

Speaker 2 Norway or whomever,

Speaker 2 we want to attack the U.S. embassy there.
So we're still almost the target, even though

Speaker 2 they want to do the attack in that country. And then the last piece is they want this October 7th style attack in multiple places in Europe and then in the U.S.

Speaker 2 And that's the one that Scott talked to you about. that we had you know in the aq 2.0 book but i realized he didn't give it to you when he was here So I'm giving you the AQ 2.0 book.

Speaker 2 But that's really interesting. So we gave a little bit.
We worked on this. I gave a little bit of our investigation to it.
So this was put together by a European retired intelligence officer.

Speaker 2 And what he did is he reached out to his huge community from working his entire career and said, what do you have on this? What do you have on this? What do you have on this? And he

Speaker 2 compiled a bunch of people's investigations into this attack.

Speaker 2 So this is the best thing you can get open source al-Qaeda 2.0 the upcoming attack on the United States in Europe unveiled so boone and i focus on the u.s homeland piece of this attack but people who contributed to the book focus on the europe piece right because they're european interesting could you get me connected yeah i'll put you in touch perfect thank you Well, since we're giving gifts, I was going to wait till later, but I got you a gift too, Sarah.

Speaker 1 You heard about the uncomfortable attack.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I use the app, so I'm kind of excited I can upgrade to the phone.

Speaker 1 There you go. So yeah, developed by Eric Prince and his team, one of the dev guys on there.
Good.

Speaker 2 I'm going to let

Speaker 2 text Eric Prince first from it because that would be fun.

Speaker 2 It'll be like, what crap is she asking me for now?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're welcome. For those listening,

Speaker 1 that's a great way to kind of keep your data safe from big tech. Perfect.

Speaker 1 Like Facebook, Google.

Speaker 2 Facebook. I don't even have a Facebook account right now.
I'm fine. They took it down.
But

Speaker 1 yeah, so where has Hans of bin Laden been all these years?

Speaker 2 So we basically found out where he was in 2022, and that's when he was in Kandahar, right?

Speaker 2 We learned that prior to that, he was in Waziristan, Pakistan, but really the chunk of the time he was in Iran.

Speaker 2 The thing is, when Qasem Soleimane was killed in early 2020, he was like, I'm not sure Iran can keep me safe if they couldn't keep Soleimane safe.

Speaker 2 And so he left Iran at that time and went to Pakistan. And so then he stayed in Pakistan until Kabul fell.
And then he went into Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 And that report that

Speaker 1 you had mentioned that the British intelligence leaked to the press, is that, where is that? Is that, can we find that and overlay it right now?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, it's basically, then it was turned into an article. So it just says he's now the head of al-Qaeda.
He's planning operations against the West,

Speaker 2 these large-scale attacks. So yeah, I think it first was in like the mirror or the sun, but then a ton of news articles picked up the same thing.

Speaker 1 So it's out there. Yeah, it's out there.

Speaker 1 All over UK media.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you just put Hamza bin Laden live, it'll come up.

Speaker 1 What about his brother Abdullah? Why is that? What is his role?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so the interesting part is Abdullah was the one originally in all the meetings, right? And so Abdullah is the one everybody hears about. They're like, yeah, bin Laden has an alive son, Abdullah.

Speaker 2 And then they discount Hamza because is very covert under the radar abdullah is interesting because a lot of people don't understand this so you know before the fall of kabul when there was the fighting with the afghan national army it was abdullah bin laden and a terrorist named abu iklas al-mazri who were running the fronts of that war so al-qaeda was running the war against our allies when Afghanistan fell.

Speaker 2 That wasn't a Taliban-led war. That was an al-Qaeda-led war.
And so Abdullah has become an amazing strategist. And a lot of people think he's kind of just this businessman or CEO type.

Speaker 2 And so now he's pretty much running the operations of al-Qaeda and he runs all the suicide, I mean, all the terrorist camps. So he is basically the terrorists who trained the homeland attackers.

Speaker 2 And that's why he really matters. And he knows all the homeland attackers.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 1 You know, I find it really interesting that they don't even care about the credit anymore because if I remember correctly, when I was working over there,

Speaker 1 that's all they wanted to do was easiest and biggest target of opportunity so that it hits the price, they can take credit for it, and

Speaker 1 everybody's scared shitless of them. Now they don't even care about that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they just want to hurt us, right? And the interesting part is, you know, we've spent a lot of time trying to find all the training camps for the homeland attacks, right?

Speaker 2 And we've really come up with three we're confident in, right? They've taken advanced urban warfare that we've talked about, suicide bombing training, and then cover and covert training, right?

Speaker 2 Al-Qaeda is teaching them, like, don't even say you've been to Afghanistan, you know, like if you're Kuwaiti or Saudi. Never mention the word Al-Qaeda, right?

Speaker 2 When they go through these camps together, they're all given fake names. So, if we're in camp together, I don't know your name as Shar Ryan, I know you as Job, right?

Speaker 2 So, the really interesting thing is that matters to them. They don't want the true name.

Speaker 1 They're using pseudonyms even with

Speaker 1 camps.

Speaker 2 Yep, Amongst each other. They don't even trust each other to give the true name.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. So they've really fucking stepped it up.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then there's a whole nother piece that it's so hard to get people to comprehend that this now is going to sound like a conspiracy theory. Okay.
Now, Al Qaeda, and it's been Hamza bin Laden.

Speaker 2 Hamza bin Laden went to Sana Ulla Ghaffari, who's the head of ISIS Khorasan province, and said, hey, we don't want to just claim our attacks in the US and Europe on ISKP. We need ISKP bodies, right?

Speaker 2 We need terrorists at that attack. So when they're dead and you die D them back, you say, Yes, they're ISIS Coruscant province.

Speaker 2 So Hamza Milan and Sana Ali Ghaffari made a deal, and there would be ISIS fighters in Al-Qaeda's homeland attack.

Speaker 2 It's really interesting. And then

Speaker 2 ISIS will claim responsibility for the attack. And they went so far as

Speaker 2 Taliban has been feeding bits and info to the U.S. government.
So after the attack, the U.S.

Speaker 2 government will go back into its intelligence databases for the last couple years and be like, yeah, we had a little piece on this attacker. He's ISIS.
We've had a little piece on that attacker.

Speaker 2 He's ISIS. We've had a piece on that attacker.
It's ISIS. It's an ISIS attack.
So U.S. Intel is going to back it

Speaker 2 because they've been feeding the information in. That's how well they've planned this.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

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Speaker 1 All right, sir, we're back from the break. I forgot to bring up al-Qaeda and Iran, who I thought were enemies, but sounds like

Speaker 1 according to you.

Speaker 2 Well, Hamza lived there safely, right? So it seems something. What's going on there?

Speaker 2 Well, the interesting thing is, you know, when we went into Afghanistan, we weren't really fighting the senior leaders of al-Qaeda, right? They all fled within those first few months, right?

Speaker 2 Bin Laden went across Tora Bor, etc.

Speaker 2 So the al-Qaeda terrorists went to two countries. They went to Pakistan and they went to Iran.
Well, in Pakistan, the Pakistani government teamed up with us and they got paid lots of money.

Speaker 2 And they started capturing terrorists, right? Like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, for example. So the terrorists then are like, well, we're probably going to be safer in Iran.
But now, if you're in Iran,

Speaker 2 your wives are there, your children are there, you're going to make a very close relationship with the government, as you can imagine.

Speaker 2 And so Al-Qaeda made a close relationship with Qasim Soleimani, who is now deceased, but he headed the Iranian Quiz force. And Qasim Soleimani

Speaker 2 basically

Speaker 2 asked one of his really good friends, you know,

Speaker 2 another member of the military,

Speaker 2 Mohammed Kazemi, his name was, and he said, Hey, your job is to keep Hamza bin Laden safe, Saif al-Adl safe. And he actually was also protecting one of our Benghazi plotters.

Speaker 2 That's why we know this so well. So it was his job to keep them safe.
So when Qasmani died, this individual moved up. He's not the head of the Quds force.

Speaker 2 He's the head of the IRGC's intelligence organization. So basically, the people that harbored, the man who harbored al-Qaeda is one of the most senior intelligence officials in all of Iran.

Speaker 2 So that's the relationship. And he comes all the time to Afghanistan.

Speaker 2 He plotted the Hamas attacks with Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and obviously Hamas, and then internal units within Iran to include Khomeini. Like Khomeini

Speaker 2 was involved in the Hamas attack planning. And even Haibatulak Manzado, who we talked about, the head of the Taliban, he issued the fatwa for the attack.

Speaker 2 And then it was an IRGC general that did the go for the attack, right? Like, that's how intermingled all these people have become.

Speaker 2 And we still have analysts that say, oh, Iran doesn't get along with al-Qaeda or Iran's attacking Al-Qaeda. It's like, what are you talking about? They harbored them almost the entire war we had.

Speaker 1 So these guys are super in cahoots.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're very, very close relations.

Speaker 1 Are they sharing intelligence?

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 To where the Taliban and Al-Qaeda gave

Speaker 2 the Iranian government an intelligence base. It's basically in an al-Qaeda camp in Kandahar.

Speaker 1 Are you? Yep. Are you? So they're co-mingled now.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And remember, this isn't just Iran.
So North Koreans come to Kandahar. The Russians come to Kandahar.
The Chinese come to Kandahar. And they don't just meet with the Taliban.

Speaker 2 They meet with each other.

Speaker 1 Well, wait a minute. so how can the russians be involved because there was that big there was that big mall attack from isis which if all these networks are connected

Speaker 2 right the thing is just like us russia had to go to the taliban to collect on isis and to go against isis just like we do so there's two branches of isis nobody actually really understands is iSIS coruscant province okay there's there's the um one we all know that's run by Sana Ula Ghaffari, and he did the Abigade attacks with the Haqqani network, okay?

Speaker 2 There's a whole nother branch that's based in

Speaker 2 northern Afghanistan. It's run by an individual named Golmorod Kalimov.
He's basically one of the main enemies in the world of Russia. He used to run the Tajikistan Special Forces.

Speaker 2 He defected to ISIS. He became ISIS's minister of war.
Then he got like detained. His death got faked.

Speaker 2 He somehow got released after the fall of kabul and he runs this unit now in northern afghanistan and the interesting part is so the one that's run by sana ula ghaffari okay that one basically emanated out of a lot of pakistanis a lot of guys from a rock side agency and the fata some punjabis etc

Speaker 2 um it was always run by a pakistani until um the last leader got captured amjad faruki and then sana ula took over so sana ula is like the first afghan to run it But when Sana Ulla took over, he'd been a member of the Khani network since 2012.

Speaker 2 And he was the head of the Khani network in Kabul. Okay.
So this branch now is controlled by Sirajuddin Akhani, right? And they're the ones that jointly did Abbey Gate.

Speaker 2 The other branch with Kalimov, Sirajuddin Haqqani is giving him refuge in northern Afghanistan. So Siraj Adina Khani is like funding and supporting the second branch.

Speaker 2 So the crazy part is the Haqqani branch essentially runs the two arms. Now it's the northern arm that's getting a lot of those Central Asian terrorists.

Speaker 2 So even though Sana Ula did the Moscow attacks, the threat from Russia comes from Kalamov. And the Taliban are hiding the Kalimov angle completely from Russia, making them focus on the other one.
Wow.

Speaker 2 It's a whole ruse.

Speaker 1 Wow. Man, these guys have really

Speaker 1 these guys have really stepped it up. Let's move into

Speaker 1 some of your investigations. I saw you completed two more know thy enemy investigations.
Let's dive into those.

Speaker 2 Yep. So we completed basically October 7th, Know Thy Enemy, right? That's our most recent one.
And that was the one that went into the Hamas attacks.

Speaker 2 And then before that, we completed basically our own Abbey and Gate investigation. You know, it was in, we weren't going to do either of these.

Speaker 2 And then in April, CENTCOM put out their investigation to Abby Gates. So what was that, three and a half years of doing an investigation? And there is a line in their report.

Speaker 2 Our investigation identified the suicide bomber as, and it said, Abdul Rachman al-Lighori. That's a cunya or an alias.

Speaker 2 And I was like, they've investigated this for three and a half years and they don't know his true name.

Speaker 2 And that's when I did, so I realized I wanted to do this in April and I got his true name by the time I released in August.

Speaker 2 And they couldn't get his true name, A full government body, they had 12 investigators on this panel in three and a half years. That's how little they investigated Abby Gate.

Speaker 2 They also, of course, is, you know, covered up the Hokkani Network was involved in it.

Speaker 1 So, is this all just a show? Their investigations? What is that? Remember, I worked in Congress.

Speaker 2 All the government investigations are like checking a box. We did something.
But if you actually know how to investigate and you look into it, you can find every all these holes, right?

Speaker 2 They did not do their job properly. So, yeah, so we found out his name, and his name is Abdul Ralph Sangari.
So, they couldn't even find the true name of a man who blew up 13 of our service members.

Speaker 2 That's how little they cared. And that's what I find offensive.

Speaker 1 What else do we need to know?

Speaker 2 You know, for the Abby Gate investigation, it's really interesting. So, our government did two things that are very dishonest to the public.

Speaker 2 One is they made us think this was was a lone wolf ISIS bomber, right? It wasn't. This was a planned attack with the senior leadership of ISIS Khorasan province and the senior leadership of Hakanis.

Speaker 2 In our report, we talked through basically 12 terrorists involved. Seven of them are Haqqanis.
Five of them are ISIS, right? And it went, this is how quickly they can plan an attack, okay?

Speaker 2 The terrorist, we found out the exact date he got released from Bagram. He gets released.

Speaker 2 So we call the NEO. We say, hey, we're going to do a NEO

Speaker 2 August 13th. Okay.
The U.S. government says we're going to finally do a NEO.
They waited that long.

Speaker 2 Two days later, August 15th, the suicide bomber, even though they don't know his real name, gets released from Bagram.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Three days later, he's in Kandahar sitting in the operational meeting to plan this attack.

Speaker 2 Then the 21st of August, the Haqqanis choose three senior commanders who are going to man the gates and let the bomber through the gates. okay?

Speaker 2 Two days later, they basically shift a bunch of security from Northgate to Abbeygate because they want more bodies at Abbeygate when they blow it up. And then two days later after that, U.S.

Speaker 2 puts out the threat, there's a suicide bomber threat, and then the next day they blow it. That's how quickly they basically find out we're doing a NEO on the 13th.

Speaker 2 The bombing gets out on the 15th, and they have them at the table on the 18th planning this. They killed over 170 Afghans on 13 of our service members.

Speaker 2 And the U.S. government made you believe this was a lone wolf.

Speaker 1 Did they do that on purpose?

Speaker 1 Or did they,

Speaker 1 if I

Speaker 2 can go find out where the planning meeting took place, I know who moved the suicide bomber. I know who moved Sana'ula Ghaffari to Kabul.
I know who the three men were at the gates.

Speaker 2 And I know the terrorist, his name is Hafiza Khani, who told the bomber, okay, you're in a good spot now, blow. I know all that

Speaker 2 on my own, collecting on my own. How can the U.S.
government not collect that? And if they aren't collecting it, we got a lot more to worry about.

Speaker 1 I hope some of these new administration picks get in contact with you. I really do, because

Speaker 1 you are super sharp.

Speaker 1 What's the involvement? What is the connection between the October 7th Hamas attacks in Afghanistan?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so the interesting part is, right?

Speaker 2 So this was the other investigation we weren't going to do, okay? So we put out Abby Gate because Sencom, I thought, did something very embarrassing. And then

Speaker 2 what we knew, we knew the plotting had happened in Afghanistan, but we thought, okay, Israel is just going to keep calling it the Hamas attacks until they wipe out Hamas, right? That makes sense.

Speaker 2 You can't fight three or four different fronts, right, or different terrorist groups at the same time.

Speaker 2 Well, we're getting closer to coming up on the year mark of it, and Israel still wasn't telling anyone.

Speaker 2 You know, obviously, they knew IRGC was involved because they took out a bunch of them, but they weren't telling anybody about Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and they weren't striking Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Speaker 2 But we knew Israel is in a series of attacks, right? And those series of attacks include the U.S. homeland.

Speaker 2 So we're like, if we don't put out the truth that Al-Qaeda did October 7th, then how do we expect the law enforcement and first of responders in the U.S.

Speaker 2 to be prepared if no one told them October 7th was the same people who are going to attack in the U.S., right?

Speaker 2 Because if you can look at those tactics, prepare, do different training, it puts you in a more resilient position if an attack happens in your community.

Speaker 2 So that was the catalyst that made us put out October 7th. So basically what happened is

Speaker 2 this was a joint kind of al-Qaeda-IRGC thing. And I said this is a whole bigger thing.
And they did all this over Telegram for the most part.

Speaker 2 So they had an original planning meeting in Kandahar again. And then they had kind of like their second meeting up in Kabul.
And then most of the rest of the plotting occurred via Telegram.

Speaker 2 And then, which is crazy, right? You'd think our governments could collect that in advance.

Speaker 2 We learned a lot of things during this process. First off, in the first plotting meeting, it was Saifol Adl.
He runs the military commission of the Taliban. He's the one that chose the date.

Speaker 2 Do you know any what's significant about October 7th? No. So he first chose October 7th, 2022.
I told you it got pushed a year because of Zawahiri, which is also its own point, right?

Speaker 2 We struck an al-Qaeda member and it forced them to push the attack another year. What if we kept striking them in Afghanistan during that time, right? It could have pushed the attacks longer.

Speaker 2 And this is why I say we need to strike the command and control of the Homeland attack, right? But anyway,

Speaker 2 set aside, October 7th was the day George Bush announced Operation Enduring Freedom, and we basically started carpet bombing Kandahar.

Speaker 2 No shit. So nobody understands the October 7th attacks actually have a connection to Afghanistan to begin with.
And the date was chosen to do with Afghanistan.

Speaker 2 So everybody who's like, why do we care about Israel? Why is that our problem? It's like, that's just the first in a series. It's coming for us.
That's like the test run.

Speaker 1 Did you put that together?

Speaker 2 Yes. Well, my team, my know thy enemy investigation team.

Speaker 1 How has nobody else put that together?

Speaker 2 Well, I don't think we're the only ones.

Speaker 2 So we received kind of a pat on the back from a foreign government that reached out to someone that knows me, like they realize we know each other through social media.

Speaker 2 And they told that person to tell me, your

Speaker 2 report is spot on. That's what we have.
So that's a foreign government's intelligence service saying, good job, like bravo.

Speaker 1 Who was it?

Speaker 2 Can you mention that?

Speaker 2 It was a European one okay so so to say nobody has that i i think is untrue i hope our government has it right but the dishonesty behind it would be a problem if they did and they're not preparing america for this october 7th round of attacks that are coming here you're mentioning law enforcement being proactive and i just i don't see that happening no matter what right but but at least if uh so you know how budgets work and training works and everything else at least if you say a threat's coming and the government puts out something, it gives you a catalyst or it gives you something to hold on to, right?

Speaker 2 And you can go and say, we need more training. We haven't even done this type of training in six years.

Speaker 2 Like you can start having the discussions, but if nobody's sharing anything, and I don't know if you saw, but Scott Mann and I went and met with Governor DeSantis and briefed this to him.

Speaker 2 And he said, I've received no threat reporting. at all on terrorism from the federal government.
So they're not passing anything down to these levels.

Speaker 2 So anyone who's like, yeah, this is all happening behind the scenes, don't worry. Everyone's prepared.

Speaker 2 Our law enforcement knows most of the country have never heard Al-Qaeda's planning an attack here.

Speaker 1 Well, actually, I'll redact what I just mentioned. It sounded like DeSantis actually took it very seriously.
Didn't he develop some sort of a task force?

Speaker 2 So he did multiple things. He the next day briefed the sheriffs,

Speaker 2 every sheriff in the state of Florida and told them there's a potential threat, which matters, right?

Speaker 2 And then, yeah, he created like basically a kind of an information sharing so we can get in touch with his people immediately if we found some threat info or just something useful that he could

Speaker 2 get the state involved in or to train behind. So he's been proactive of like, how can I get ahead of this? Well, or how can I use people like you, right?

Speaker 2 Like your community, Florida's full of retired special ops guys who fought these guys for 20 years overseas, right? And he understands that. And he's like, how do I harness that?

Speaker 1 Well, that's what I was getting at. So he did stand up.
Eddie Gallagher was telling me about it. I think Scott told me about it.

Speaker 2 Well, there's a little bit, so that's slightly different, but he'll be able to utilize that. So he basically has this thing called the Florida National Guard.

Speaker 2 And the Florida National Guard is like,

Speaker 2 will

Speaker 2 and does, could have the capabilities of a counterterrorism force. It's being trained properly that way.
It has different type of legal authorities.

Speaker 2 So he has positioned the state of Florida to basically have a force that is a force multiplier against counterterrorism. And this doesn't really exist

Speaker 2 in other states. So he, though, was on that train even before the al-Qaeda threat.
He just got ahead of it, right? So he was already preparing something like this.

Speaker 2 And he now has a force with the capabilities that at least can respond

Speaker 2 along with law enforcement,

Speaker 2 basically. So you'll have more trained bodies to deal with this faster in an emergency.

Speaker 1 So that's, I wonder if there's a way to get, I mean, I'm obviously very concerned about Tennessee. I wonder if there's a way to get DeSantis to

Speaker 1 have a chat with Bill Lee, the governor of Tennessee, to start standing something up like that, because I thought that was genius.

Speaker 1 In fact, I'm going to have my social media team cut a clip of that and try to target Bill Lee to get his attention about that because there's also a ton special operations guys retired guys like me that are out now that live in Tennessee and that would be

Speaker 2 why would you not do that at this point especially with the way the federal government is the border wide open I mean no one's coming to save you yeah it's true Scott's book and you really should have someone come on because my summary of the Florida National Guard was probably horrible and they're probably going to sit and watch us and be like she doesn't even know what we did right we do way more than that so you should have some come on and actually talk about it because I think it would be interesting for people to see: hey, there are other models out there, people are being creative and innovative on this.

Speaker 2 States need to take a look at this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the federal government, I mean, hopefully, that changes come January 20th, but right now it's not functioning. States better start getting involved.

Speaker 1 You mentioned something about the IRGC targeting.

Speaker 1 What is the IRGC to start with?

Speaker 2 Basically, it's another branch of the Iranian military, but it would be more like JSOC than like the U.S. Army, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 They have like a U.S. Army.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 And then there's different pieces of it. So the most famous one is the Kuds Force, and that was one run by Qasim Soleimani.
And the Kuds Force was almost like

Speaker 2 special ops CIA lethal operations, like all in one.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And so are they targeting Trump?

Speaker 2 So Trump is the one they blame for the death of Qasim Soleimane because he set up the team. He got the approvals because remember, Qasim Soleimane was

Speaker 2 potentially, he was an Iranian military general. So the U.S.
government wouldn't put him on a hit list because they're like, that's a... you know, an official in another government.

Speaker 2 It wasn't until Trump came in and put lethal authorities that the U.S. could go after him.
Iran knows this. So they blame his death in Iraq on Trump almost solely.

Speaker 2 So they've been planning an operation. I call it the Soleimane plot, but the U.S.
government probably calls it something different.

Speaker 2 And we came across the Soleimane plot while doing our October 7th investigation because the terrorist I told you about, Mohamed Kazemi, he's masterminding it. So it's so crazy.

Speaker 2 So he was one of the key plotters of October 7th. He's masterminding basically assassinating President Trump.
The U.S. government doesn't have him on the FBI most wanted list.

Speaker 1 Probably because they want him dead.

Speaker 2 I mean, but it's not crazy. He's like the mastermind behind a plot.
Even if Trump wasn't going to be the president again, he was the mastermind of a plot against a former U.S. president.

Speaker 2 He's not even on our wanted list. This is the problem with our counter-terrorism has just gone off the rails, right?

Speaker 1 Why? Why is it DEI?

Speaker 1 What is it?

Speaker 2 What's going on? I pray they knew he was the mastermind, but there's a potential. Like, we were the only ones that found the suicide bomber's true name.
There's a potential.

Speaker 2 We got lucky and we found the mastermind before the U.S. government.
But even once we put it out, nobody in the U.S. government has contacted us to even ask about it.

Speaker 2 And the crazy part is, we put this at the end of our report. The money going into the Soleimane plot is phenomenal.
It's $145 million a month.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that doesn't just assassinate a president.

Speaker 2 So we don't know what the plot is. The U.S.
government's the one that says it's a plot against Trump.

Speaker 2 There is a ton of money behind that plot. So I don't know if it's bigger than Trump.
I don't know if it's Trump and some other symbols.

Speaker 2 Because remember, so what Iran usually does, and this is a correct assessment by the U.S. government,

Speaker 2 when they target someone or something, it's always equal. So like if you hit their embassy, they would hit back your embassy.
If you kill the scientists, they would do an assassination, right?

Speaker 2 So the U.S. government is like, okay,

Speaker 2 we killed Qasim Soleimani. So Iran is going to counter by doing an assassination.
But Qasim Soleimani isn't just a man in Iran. To Iran, he was the symbol of the Iranian revolution.
Think about that.

Speaker 2 So he's like, I don't know, our capital or our statue of liberty. He's bigger than a man, right? So I do think the U.S.
might be underestimating

Speaker 2 how the Iranians view Qasim Soleimani. And I think that the response to him is going to be bigger than they're assessing.
I don't think it's just going to be the assassination of one man.

Speaker 1 Who do you think?

Speaker 1 Who else do you think might be on that list?

Speaker 2 I mean with that kind of money like I wonder if it's the capital.

Speaker 1 The entire capital.

Speaker 2 Holy shit. Well the building, you know.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Let's move into the homeland.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 We'll move into the homeland. Then I was going to save that to the end, but it's getting hard to concentrate because that's all I could think about.
I think about this stuff all the time.

Speaker 1 What's coming? I mean, when I talk to Scott, and I can't remember, I can't, sometimes I get my conversations blurred because it's it on camera or off camera.

Speaker 1 I can't fucking remember, but Scott, if I, if I remember correctly, Scott told me that al-Qaeda

Speaker 1 is basically predicting that they will, the casualty count will be between 50 and 60,000 Americans dead.

Speaker 1 Am I wrong on that?

Speaker 2 So I don't know the count that they're predicting. What I do know is al-Qaeda trained and sent a thousand attackers.

Speaker 1 A thousand attackers. When did they come through?

Speaker 2 So they finished training and they deployed them. Now, depending on how they come through, it could take different times, right?

Speaker 2 So the fastest I've seen an Afghan leave Afghanistan and get over the border illegally is about three weeks. Now, if you get a

Speaker 2 tourist visa and a Saudi's passport, he can fly the day after he gets his visa, right? So, it depends because they are fine getting people in however they can get them in.

Speaker 2 And they actually prefer legal immigration, as you can imagine, because they want basically the attackers to sit here and wait. If they're legal, they're not going to raise any alarm bells.

Speaker 1 So, wait a minute. I just want to clarify: you are 100%

Speaker 1 certain that there are 1,000 plus Al-Qaeda trained fighters within the United States borders.

Speaker 2 Well, Al-Qaeda says they trained and deployed 1,000 for this attack. First off, I think there's more than 1,000 Al-Qaeda members in the United States.

Speaker 2 But for the homeland attack, that number is based on what Al-Qaeda is saying. So they could exaggerate it.
However, they did have about 1,400 in the Hamas attack.

Speaker 2 So the number is not off from what they did in the first round of attacks.

Speaker 1 Is there any indication of what kind of attacks these are going to be? Actually, let me, before we get into that,

Speaker 1 how old is this information?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's ongoing. So the training's already done, right? So all the training info is now old because they trained all the homeland attackers, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 So like next week, you're not going to get info of a homeland attacker probably at a terrorist camp because it's already done.

Speaker 2 So all this has been in the last year.

Speaker 1 So it's been over a year. It's been a year.

Speaker 2 Because this was a continuation. So they planned October 7th first, and then they rolled into planning this after.

Speaker 1 Are we next or is Europe next?

Speaker 2 I think the embassy attacks are next, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 What are they waiting for? For the embassies?

Speaker 2 I don't think they're waiting. I think it took time to train them.
They've now approved them and they've now moved into the operational stage.

Speaker 1 What about the U.S.?

Speaker 2 So the U.S.,

Speaker 2 from what we've seen, I told you about the camps, right? There's the advanced urban warfare.

Speaker 2 So we think it's going to look like October 7th, but it's actually based on, and October 7th was probably also based on it. It's based on the Mumbai attacks that occurred 15 years ago in Delhi, India.

Speaker 2 And we believe this for multiple reasons.

Speaker 1 What happened there? Before we dig into that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we talked about this. I think it was my first episode.
It was basically a terrorist group, Lash Gray Taiba. They did a number, it's called swarming attacks.

Speaker 2 They did a number of attacks in the Delhi

Speaker 2 at the at a hotel um the taj mahal i believe it was called at like basically the train station etc the interesting thing about it and this is why they're going to employ it now is those terrorists um were given kind of like latitude one they could change the location they were attacking and they could change the modus operand they they were using so for example when they went into the train station it was supposed to be a bombing when they got in there they said wow we can kill more people just shooting them than putting the bomb together and they shot them.

Speaker 2 Another thing that they did is in real time, information was being passed to them. So when they were in the Taj Mahal, they were being told what was on the press and what the police were doing.

Speaker 2 And they changed basically some of their movements in the hotel to make the attack last longer. Okay.

Speaker 2 So this is the part. that's going to be different, right? So Al-Qaeda always wants to innovate when it does its next attack, right?

Speaker 2 So I've already told you about the innovation of of the suicide vests. Well, do you know we really haven't had a suicide bombing in the United States ever?

Speaker 2 There's the Nashville guy who did the strange, blew himself up in the car early in the morning when no one was around. That's kind of it.

Speaker 1 The AT ⁇ T building. Yep.

Speaker 2 So we have not had a man walk up to a building with a suicide vest on the United States. Americans don't understand this.
Al-Qaeda knows this, right? So this is new and innovative, especially now.

Speaker 2 You don't have to walk outside of the building. You can walk in the building because of the advancement of the vest.

Speaker 2 The the other thing is in the united states we haven't had fideian attackers you know what this is i mean you you'll know when i explain it if you fought in like

Speaker 2 I don't know, Ramadi, Fallujah, you've seen these. So the concept is the terrorist fights to the death.

Speaker 2 So he's not exactly a suicide bomber, but he will fight till either all of us are dead or all of his people are dead, right?

Speaker 2 So this can go on for multiple days, you know, like the plan was for Mumbai, for example. So we think it's going to be a swarming attack, right?

Speaker 2 Multiple different attacks at one time across multiple cities.

Speaker 2 We think there will be suicide bombers just because some of the attackers went through suicide bomber training and they have these vests, right?

Speaker 2 And then we think there's these Fideian attackers who will carry on until they're killed. The Fideian matters, right? I was watching, I want to say it was like eight months ago.

Speaker 1 Let me just rephrase that. So these guys are trained, and we already overlaid the video of their training, and they are going to fight until they're killed.
Yes. There's no stopping them.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And that matters, right? So I was watching this video and it was a suicide bombing in Kabul years ago.
And it was the bomber blew up, okay? And then everyone starts moving in.

Speaker 2 The first responders move in, right? And then another guy walks in and blows up. We know this is a tactic, right?

Speaker 2 But if Americans don't understand this as a tactic and don't understand these attackers are going to fight to the death, think about that. So the battle's going on.
The attacker surrenders, right?

Speaker 2 He might have the suicide vest. You know, we let our guard down.
That man came

Speaker 2 to die, right? He's going to fight till he dies or you dies. So we can't let our guards down and they know our weakness, right?

Speaker 2 So we have to be very careful that we don't have more people die in these second and third order effects of not knowing their intent.

Speaker 1 What kind of places do you think they're going to target?

Speaker 2 So this is what's complicated.

Speaker 2 So al-Qaeda's preferences you can imagine is symbols of the u.s or anything that causes economic damage right so capital is a great symbol capital was actually in i i i think the capital is a lot of people are targeting it but the capital was in their propaganda just since 9-11 when they were memorializing 9-11 right so the capital matters um I feel like bridges or any kind of public transportation always matters because it puts costs against us and it causes fear.

Speaker 2 But here's where it gets complicated. So, remember, the terrorists might have their goal: they're going to attack the

Speaker 2 metro in DC, right? But remember, some of these terrorists are going to be ISIS. And remember, they can change location.

Speaker 2 So, the ISIS guy might go down the metro and say, I don't, there's not many people down here, I'll kill 20, but there's an event going on.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go up there, right? And because ISIS is a little different, ISIS just wants mass casualty. um

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 it's going to be interesting how it works with terrorists that came from different backgrounds and when they get choice so so some of these terrorist organizations are looking for very strategic stuff like u.s capital you know um

Speaker 1 basically u.s governmental infrastructure and uh in elites.

Speaker 1 And then on the other hand, you have what I'm used to, seeing when we were over there, they just look for the easiest,

Speaker 1 the easiest, biggest target because they want to kill the most amount of people in the quickest amount of time and get the most press out of it.

Speaker 1 And so that makes me, that would lead me to believe universities, churches,

Speaker 1 stadiums,

Speaker 2 farmers' markets, those type of things.

Speaker 1 How many people, how many, how many fighters do you think we can expect in each attack?

Speaker 2 Well, the thousand is all of them. So we're calling it, it's an al-Qaeda planned attack, but within those thousand terrorists, some of them are ISIS because they want ISIS to be blamed.

Speaker 2 Our theory, we have a theory on it. I hate to throw out theories.
We think the actual like...

Speaker 1 This is the first time I think you've ever thrown out a

Speaker 2 people like she's crazy. I think the more of the fighter types are going to be ISIS because then if they're caught,

Speaker 2 you know, then they talk, I'm ISIS.

Speaker 2 I think more of the suicide bombers are going to be al-Qaeda.

Speaker 1 Will these attacks hype? Do you think these attacks will happen simultaneously throughout the United States or will they be

Speaker 1 one day here, next day here, another one over here next week?

Speaker 2 So they want them coordinated.

Speaker 2 I don't know if coordinated means all at the same time or if coordinated means we do it Monday, we do it Tuesday, we do it Wednesday, we do it Thursday, we do it Friday, we just do five straight days.

Speaker 2 But they want it coordinated. What's coordinated mean? And the other argument we have, does coordinated also mean US and Europe at the same time? And is Europe all coordinated at the same time? So

Speaker 2 when they say coordinated, we don't know exactly what that means. So they could also be US and Europe at the same time,

Speaker 2 which is complicated.

Speaker 1 Do you think Europe will see mass casualties? Or did, I mean, earlier you kind of mentioned that you think that

Speaker 1 the primary target in Europe is still US embassies.

Speaker 2 No, that's for the wave. So remember,

Speaker 2 there's a wave of embassy attacks, but then there's this multi-coordinate attack. It's a completely separate wave of attacks.

Speaker 2 So they're going to get the same October 7th attack in Europe as we're getting in the U.S.,

Speaker 2 as planned right now, anyway. And they also, so a thousand terrorists were supposedly trained for the U.S.
and deployed, and a thousand were supposedly trained for the Europe attack and deployed.

Speaker 2 The embassy plots are completely different with completely different trained terrorists.

Speaker 1 Man, this is why haven't they hit yet?

Speaker 2 Because the training takes the time. So

Speaker 1 for

Speaker 1 Israel, they're here, though.

Speaker 2 Supposedly. Yeah.
Okay, let's go. They got here.

Speaker 1 Let me ask, how long have they been here?

Speaker 2 I'm not sure, but if we just do math quick, okay? Israel, they trained 500 terrorists, right? They got a longer timeline, but they were planning to train 500 in three months, right?

Speaker 2 Two months. So they were going to train 500 in two months for Israel.
So they can, for for Israel, they did it really quick, but it would have been half-assed.

Speaker 2 They luckily ended up with a year and a half. But then remember, I told you they had to train 10,000 for Syria.
And I think that gets completely ignored, okay?

Speaker 2 So they have this huge number, and we just saw what the effect of it, right? So the 10,000 for Syria, and some went to Iraq, became the priority.

Speaker 2 And then we think the homeland attackers were in there.

Speaker 2 And then that training's done too, if that makes sense. So they are training for multiple phases at the same time.
So it takes time to get through all the training.

Speaker 1 Man, this stuff scares the shit out of me. What do you think? Okay, you had mentioned earlier, you know, we just got done talking about the significance of October 7th.

Speaker 1 How many other dates are there that

Speaker 1 it could potentially, I mean, if they're looking for that kind of, you know,

Speaker 1 symbology or whatever you want to call it, you know, how many dates are we looking at? Is it too many to

Speaker 1 are there too many significant dates throughout the 20 years that we were over there that we just we can't you know, we can't

Speaker 1 do you know what I'm trying to say? I know you say how many dates are we looking at here? Yeah. Is it impossible? Is there 365 is every day of the year after 20 years a potential date?

Speaker 1 Or are there some specific hard dates that you think that

Speaker 1 federal, state, local governments should be looking at?

Speaker 2 Sure. Well, I think if we just talk about the October 7th investigation we did, we actually discussed three dates.

Speaker 2 We discussed the significance of October 7th being the day we started Operation During Freedom.

Speaker 2 Remember when I said they started training in August? They actually started training on August 7th. They chose August 7th because that was the anniversary of the Tanzania and Kenya embassy bombings.

Speaker 2 Okay. So they did choose even a historic date to start training.
Okay.

Speaker 2 And then when you you go to 9-11, you know, the majority of Americans, I don't even think the majority of the U.S. government knows why 9-11 was chosen.
You'll get these stupid theories.

Speaker 2 It was started the school year, or 11 means Allah, or something like that. It basically comes from 9-11, 1922.

Speaker 2 And it was basically

Speaker 2 kind of, you know, after the time of the British mandate. And that was the first day they basically took a Westerner and said, this Westerner, he ended up being

Speaker 2 a British and Jewish. You are in charge of kind of like this Palestinian type of mandate.
And Al-Qaeda had cared about a date from 1922, and that's why they chose 9-11 to attack us.

Speaker 2 So there are dates that matter, right? But we focus on the dates that matter to us, and we forget to look at the dates that matter to them, right?

Speaker 2 So a lot of people say, well, it's likely then going to happen on the day bin Laden was killed. Is it?

Speaker 2 when they're choosing some of like a date from 1922. So I think there's dates that matter.

Speaker 2 And I I did some work and I forget one I picked I think it was like June 5th or something and it was some historic thing right but there like you said there's a lot to choose from and the other thing you need to keep in mind is there's been this war going on in Syria you know for a very long time and A lot of things happen in Syria that have open wounds for these terrorists, right?

Speaker 2 And it's why a lot of these terrorists have come together is from the war in Syria. So they could just pick a day a terrorist was martyred in Syria, for example, right?

Speaker 2 Or even Hamza bin Laden's wife was killed in the operation to kill her father. They could choose the date she was killed.

Speaker 2 So there's also just so many terrorist martyrs that they could choose dates from, you know, within the last 20 years or war.

Speaker 2 So it's really hard to pick a date because then you're also anticipating something that doesn't happen even how 2025 is right so al-Qaeda's planning the attack for 2025 but remember I told you Israel was planned planned for 2022.

Speaker 2 It got shifted a year. Now, if you are following that and it didn't happen, you're like, okay, the attack didn't happen.
The information was bullshit, right?

Speaker 2 So if attack doesn't happen in 2025 and they push it a few months, then people put their guard down again. And we need to be careful about stuff like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. That's true.
I don't even know where to go from here. I mean, it just sounds, it sounds inevitable that it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 I know. And that's the thing, you know, it just dawned on me too.

Speaker 2 When we did October 7th, this is really interesting because this goes back to, you you know, what you talked about earlier, passing threats and leads to the government, which is almost impossible.

Speaker 2 You know, people saw these Hamas terrorists planning and training in Afghanistan, and it got provided to Israel.

Speaker 2 When we did an investigation, some people gave us the reports they gave to the Israeli government, and we used them in our October 7th investigation.

Speaker 2 So we saw some of the stuff passed to the Israelis. So they knew at least Hamas was training for some big plot in Afghanistan.

Speaker 2 And I worry because same things are being passed to our government and they're not taking it serious, right? And I don't know how what happened in Israel doesn't make you think twice, right?

Speaker 2 About, hey, we're making the same mistake.

Speaker 1 What are the, I mean, we talked a lot about passports, too, in

Speaker 1 your previous episode. Is that

Speaker 1 Are they coming in straight to the U.S.

Speaker 1 with U.S. passports or passports with visas to the U.S., or is the majority of it going to South America and then funneling up through the Darien Gap into the southern border?

Speaker 2 So in my opinion, terrorists in general just leaving Afghanistan, a lot of them are coming up through the Darien Gap to the border. And that was, there was a big push, right? Get in the U.S.

Speaker 2 while you can. Now, not all those al-Qaeda's attackers, right? But they came in with fake Afghan passports.
They came in with fake Syrian passports, fake Turkish passports.

Speaker 2 Those are the kind of the three preferences because they're easiest to get.

Speaker 2 And then you know, if our border patrol agents, a lot of them haven't been overseas, right? If

Speaker 2 an Egyptian shows up the border with a Syrian passport, is he going to know that person? was Egyptian? I mean, his passport says Syrian, right? So we have that problem.

Speaker 2 But then Al-Qaeda wants to embarrass us again, like they did with the 9-11 attackers. And they want, they've trained clean terrorists, right, from like Saudi, Kuwait, Jordan, et cetera.

Speaker 2 And they want them to get legitimate visas so we can't trust our system again.

Speaker 2 So we have both issues going on.

Speaker 2 The other issue, too, is a lot of these terrorists are coming up, right? And there still is the problem of lone wolves.

Speaker 2 There is the problem of we have terrorists in this country now where those members have never been in this country, right? We don't have any idea what their intent is.

Speaker 2 Islamic movement of Uzbekistan is a great example, right? They've sent terrorists from Afghanistan region here. Why?

Speaker 2 We have terrorists in this country that we don't even know their long-term plans against us because they're not never really been a focus of ours or we focused on them with this little piece where they did a few operations or training with al-Qaeda, right?

Speaker 2 But we don't know the intent and maybe they just are force multipliers for al-Qaeda or the Islamic army, but we lack the understanding.

Speaker 1 Do you think these numbers are going to grow? I mean, we just saw what we, I'm not spun up on the Syria thing, but that just, it looked like

Speaker 1 we're done.

Speaker 1 Trump said we shouldn't even be there. Does that free up?

Speaker 1 I mean, what are your thoughts on that? But kind of what I'm asking is, does that free up? You said

Speaker 1 they sent 10,000 new trained terrorists to Syria. So now that that's kind of

Speaker 1 done,

Speaker 1 are they coming here?

Speaker 2 Well, the good part, the bad part, with those 10,000, right, is there's battles going to continue. The Kurds, right? There's definitely going to be a war with the Kurds.

Speaker 2 So there's still going to be battles going on in Syria. But remember, Al-Qaeda has all these waves.
So they have the Caliphate wave. The Caliphate wave includes Syria, Iraq, Mali,

Speaker 2 Somalia, Burkina Faso. So those 10,000 will likely roll into either Iraq or they'll deploy to Africa.

Speaker 2 So they're likely not coming here just because they're in the caliphate wave and they've been trained in that wave.

Speaker 2 If that makes sense, it doesn't make sense to put them with the people you've trained to do the homeland attack or the embassy attacks, etc., just because you have enough bodies. And that's the thing.

Speaker 2 The number of recruits they can bring into Afghanistan, we've never seen anything like it. So there is no lack of bodies, there's no lack of terrorist volunteering.

Speaker 2 There's this really amazing documentary. Boone and I went and saw it, gosh, six or seven months ago.
It was called Jihad Rehab. Have you ever heard of this?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 It sadly, when it got put out, I want to say it was originally at Sundance, and then there was a lot of news that people were exploiting the terrorists.

Speaker 2 Like the director was exploiting the terrorists, I kid you not. And then it got a bunch of hate and it was almost like

Speaker 2 taken off of everything. And theater is like, we're not playing it.
And so the director, she's kind of gone city to city and finances it herself and puts it out. So she was putting it.

Speaker 2 Some people paid for her to come to the villages in Florida. And I was like, I want to see this.
Let's drive up. So we went up to the villages, which is super happening, by the way.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've heard all about the villages.

Speaker 2 I've never been there. And one night there, I was like, I get it.
Five, ten years. I might be buying a house here.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. It was a cool place.

Speaker 2 There were tons of people our age. So the fact that everyone's super old is also a lie.
But of course, we're like older now. So anyway,

Speaker 2 so this is, it's a really interesting documentary.

Speaker 2 But what she does is she walks through basically four Al-Qaeda terrorists and their path, and they're now in the Saudi government's rehabilitation program.

Speaker 2 And then you walk through as they're going through that program, and then how it ends, okay?

Speaker 2 Well, in it, they all talk about why they joined al-Qaeda and why they deployed to Afghanistan, etc. And they all have a different reason.

Speaker 2 The interesting part is Al-Qaeda focuses on those reasons, and one of them basically she asks him, was life easier for you in Afghanistan?

Speaker 2 And he said, yes, because the terrorists make a whole social security net, okay? So Al-Qaeda's in the Taliban are so amazing at this. So if you go there as a foreign fighter, right?

Speaker 2 You obviously have a home. You have all the weapons you want.
You get all the training you want, right? You get a financial stipend. And then if you're young, you can get married.

Speaker 2 And the crazy part is you don't have to marry an Afghan woman. If you came from Syria and you want to marry a syrian woman al-qaeda will bring in syrian women

Speaker 2 So they want you to, and the crazy part is, and people don't understand this. So Al-Qaeda realized something they did wrong, okay?

Speaker 2 They like, we didn't focus enough on second and third generation, and we definitely didn't train second and third generation. So when the U.S.

Speaker 2 came at us and started, especially drone striking us, we couldn't keep up and keep putting good talent in, right? The third and fourth string of external operations sucked. I met one of them, right?

Speaker 2 So Al-Qaeda Al-Qaeda's like, we're not going to let this happen again. We want you to come here.
We want you to have families. We're going to train your sons.
We're going to train the next generation.

Speaker 2 We're going to be a whole jihadi family. And we're never going to have that failure again where the second generation can't step up.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow.
You know, another thing I want to ask you about is China. You know, China was in.

Speaker 1 China was in negotiations with Taliban before we ever even left.

Speaker 1 You know, huge lithium deposits in Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 I've got reports from even from my local law enforcement talking about Chinese state coming through the border, setting up all these camps all over the place.

Speaker 1 They've traced them all the way from Tennessee to Nevada. They've seen training camps where they're actually where Chinese state are actually training.

Speaker 1 Do you think there's going to be any coordination between

Speaker 1 the terrorist homeland

Speaker 1 attacks? and

Speaker 1 will Chinese state be involved in that

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 from what I know

Speaker 2 so there's two pieces to this can we do China and Russia because Russia is a big problem You know, they're trying to counter us as we're trying to counter them So China is a little more of a longer game now China is meeting with the terrorists The place I have an issue with China is I do think China is going to find a way to use the terrorists as proxies, but um

Speaker 2 the place I'm most concerned about is, you know, you talked about the lithium, but there's uranium mines too.

Speaker 2 So at least the uranium mines and in like two of the provinces in the south are essentially owned and run by China. So China's in them.

Speaker 2 Al-Qaeda is in them. And IOGC is there trying to help Al-Qaeda basically use uranium, not exactly like you would use it for a nuclear power, maybe like a dirty bomb or something.

Speaker 2 So China, Iran, and Al-Qaeda are basically in the same building, right?

Speaker 2 So think of that as they innovate on that and grow. If we go to war with China, I do think China will likely wait and use the terrorists as a proxy against us.
Now that brings us to Russia, right?

Speaker 2 You know, so we talked about this in our October 7th report. So the terrorists actually decided to do the Israel attacks after Russia invaded Ukraine.
They're like, it's a really good time.

Speaker 2 Everybody's focused on Ukraine. So they started the plotting in March March of 2022.
When they started the plotting, the terrorists reached out to Russia and said, is this going to be okay?

Speaker 2 And Russia's like, go for it, go for it, go for it. So when Zawahiri was killed and Al-Qaeda's like, we're not doing this attack October 7th because the U.S.

Speaker 2 will come and bomb all of our locations in Afghanistan. We'll lose our base.
They reached back out to Russia and Russia's like, no, due to 2022. Don't wait.

Speaker 2 I need to get this pressure off me for my war in Ukraine. Well, fast forward to these.

Speaker 2 there is information that

Speaker 2 Russia is helping bring in some of the tools necessary for Al-Qaeda's homeland attack.

Speaker 1 Say that again.

Speaker 2 There is information that Russia and Russian pipelines are helping bring in some of the resources that are going to support Al-Qaeda's homeland attack.

Speaker 2 And it's to it's into this country? Yep, to push at us for Ukraine. Just like we're doing stuff against Russia.

Speaker 1 So hold on. Push at them.

Speaker 1 So Russia's sending supplies into the United States to help with the

Speaker 1 terrorist homeland.

Speaker 2 Their pipeline is helping move some of al-Qaeda's supplies in the United States for their homeland attacks.

Speaker 1 Which is probably our own fucking supplies because we left everything there.

Speaker 1 Am I right?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's a different kind of supply. I'll tell you what the supply is,

Speaker 2 but it is a Russian channel reportedly that the supply has moved through. So we have to remember there's a lot of dirty games going on around the Russian-Ukraine war.

Speaker 2 We're doing things to counter Russia and likely funding terrorists.

Speaker 2 Russia's doing the same thing to not think they're trying to also undercut us and also get on the side of our enemy and hit us with our enemy. Because think about it.

Speaker 2 Al-Qaeda is going to pull off an attack. It's going to be blamed on ISIS.
No one's going to call it Al-Qaeda. No one's definitely going to say Russia played a piece in it, right?

Speaker 2 So it's very smart of them, too. And so there's all this kind of like,

Speaker 2 we say we're in near Pier and Near Pier has gotten smart about using terrorists. We might be thinking Siraj and Nakani can be used against them.

Speaker 2 And so everybody's playing this game of the terrorists now.

Speaker 1 So we have two of the world's largest superpowers

Speaker 1 convoluting with

Speaker 1 Al-Qaeda and

Speaker 1 terrorist organizations.

Speaker 2 And remember, to them,

Speaker 2 they beat us, right? Like right now, like Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are power players. I mean, people think, oh, Afghanistan's a third world country.

Speaker 2 They're not being treated a third world country, right?

Speaker 2 Before

Speaker 2 our enemies are not treating them that way. They're treating them with respect, right? They're saying, what can you do for me? What can I do for you?

Speaker 1 And Iran. I forgot Iran.
And Iran.

Speaker 2 And there's North Koreans in Afghanistan, too.

Speaker 1 You know, also, you know, that makes a lot of sense with the Israel stuff. I know there's a lot of controversy about that.
I didn't really understand why we're so heavily involved with that.

Speaker 1 And, but now.

Speaker 2 It's the same guys who are going to attack us. So let Israel take them out.

Speaker 1 That makes so do you work every penny.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So do you think that's why we're doing it?

Speaker 2 Well, I think we're doing it because they are an ally, right?

Speaker 2 I don't think people understand that that is just the dress rehearsal, the first step to our attack. I don't think they understand it that way.
But I do think people understand.

Speaker 2 I mean, Israel's taking out these guys who did the Beirut Marine bombings, so there is still a level of respect that they really are taking out some of our enemies and terrorists who did kill a lot of Americans who were never brought to justice.

Speaker 1 I mean, they've been pretty damn effective from what I've seen. They have been.
It's very...

Speaker 2 We've never seen anything like this at this level, to be honest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's

Speaker 1 super impressive.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if we're capable of that kind of shit anymore.

Speaker 2 We're not legally capable.

Speaker 1 I feel like we're just a fucking joke.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'd rather have another country do it for me. I mean, even our Benghazi attackers, half of them are killed.
Nothing to do with the United States. It's General Hoftar in Libya did it.
U.S.

Speaker 2 won't even back him. And he basically, like, fine, I'll pay Wagner Group to do it.
I mean, it's bad, right? If U.S. would have backed him, we could have had all the successes.
We don't have the spine.

Speaker 1 Man.

Speaker 1 What else do you want to talk about?

Speaker 2 It's up to you. I'm your guest.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I can take any more bad news today, Sarah. What do you think about Cash Bell taking the FBI?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I'm looking forward to, I mean, you know, FBI to us is a huge failure. The Benghazi investigation is a nightmare.

Speaker 2 We passed them the mortar team last November, as I told you. We still don't have a response.

Speaker 2 You know, I talk about how we pass tips and threats to multiple government organizations. We passed them something I felt interesting, actionable, that they could get ahead of on ISIS.
No response.

Speaker 2 So no matter what, like his first day on the job, I want to bug him. And so, you know, we still haven't got our Benghazi attackers watch listed, right? Big, big problem.

Speaker 2 We're completely upset about it. We've written, as I told you, like over a dozen Congresspeople.

Speaker 2 But there's one Benghazi plotter. And I've talked about him in the last episode.
And we did a whole report on him. We call it Al-Qaeda's Lord of War.
And I'll say the long name again.

Speaker 2 So this Harris Harris column Musa bin Ali but his name is Abdulazeem Ali Musa bin Ali and he's from the Aldarsi clan in Libya but he was a 2012 Benghazi plotter I've told you this before and he is also involved in the U.S.

Speaker 2 homeland plot he helped on the Hamas attacks and he's helping in some of the embassy U.S.

Speaker 2 embassy attacks and we want him put on the FBI most lawyer wanted list like they can put one Benghazi attacker on the wanted list already. Like this is like this is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 He's continuing attacks against us. And it's just, he's completely ignored, right? Because he was involved in Benghazi attacks.
Nobody cares. And look at all these other things he's doing.

Speaker 2 He was one of the big logistics guy for all these fighters in Syria.

Speaker 2 And then we act like, we didn't even know all those guys got there. Guess what? If you were following him and targeting him, you would have seen all these fighters move there.

Speaker 2 Numerous people have been passing stuff for the U.S. government about all these guys training in Afghanistan for Syria.
They didn't want to hear it. They said, oh, there's numbers are exaggerated.

Speaker 2 We don't believe it. If this was happening, we'd see it.
It's like, no, you're not going to see it. You lost 99% of intelligence collection.
You rely on the Taliban. Now you are not going to see it.

Speaker 2 And it's like getting over their arrogance.

Speaker 2 You know, when we were in Benghazi, we knew we had no

Speaker 1 counterterrorism collection, right?

Speaker 2 Like we hadn't really had another good offending. We relied on him.
And then we had no terrorist sources and terrorist groups in Benghazi at the time. We knew we were sitting ducks, right?

Speaker 2 I don't know how we can't get smart people to be honest and say, yeah, we don't have this collection. I don't have an asset.
The U.S. government, not I, I don't have an asset on Hamza bin Laden.

Speaker 2 I need to go make an asset on Hamza bin Laden, right? Like, I'm behind the curve. Why can't they do that? Why aren't they doing their jobs?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, the only thing that comes to my mind is we fucking pulled everybody out, so there's literally no intelligence collection happening over there right now.

Speaker 2 The other problem is, and Scott said this to you, and Scott's 100% right. The allies we abandon like hate the CIA.

Speaker 2 They hate huge parts of the military, except maybe their one friend. They are collecting info and won't even give it to us.

Speaker 2 I talked to some Afghans and they said, we actually passed some stuff to Israel. We'll never pass it to the United States.
Think about that. They'll pass it to Israel.
Wow.

Speaker 2 So the other part is, is we abandoned some quality people and they hate us now.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 we're not going to get the information even if we try because they'll be like, screw you. What what we did this is crazy so you know i was talking to a

Speaker 2 cia asset that got abandoned okay and so i was like well what what happened like what did they do and he said they gave me a phone number

Speaker 2 and they said when you get to the kaba airport call this number we'll get you evacuated okay it's a one-way number it basically goes to a voice answering service right so he's like i called it i called it i called it no one ever called me back and he said and then one day they turned it off he had no way to ever recontact them again

Speaker 2 they shut off the damn phone number.

Speaker 2 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they would have to build completely new relationships.

Speaker 2 And how do you at that point? With nobody. You didn't even give me the respect to give me a number to call in a threat once or twice a year?

Speaker 1 With zero footprint.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I don't even know where to go from here.

Speaker 1 Me neither.

Speaker 2 You're the expert.

Speaker 1 I'm the expert.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you do this multiple times a week.

Speaker 1 I just, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm just talking as a country.

Speaker 2 I know, I know. It's frustrating.

Speaker 1 You know, it just, it makes me worried from my kids. Like,

Speaker 1 that's what I really worry about.

Speaker 2 Right? Because it's amazing. We only empower these terrorists for a few years, but look at what they've done with it.
And I think there's a real disconnect in the U.S. Like the the U.S.

Speaker 2 is like, yeah, well, we haven't had terrorist attacks here. Yeah, because we were over there killing them.
And now they plot, they train. We don't hit the camps.
We used to bomb the camps.

Speaker 2 So Americans don't understand that those attacks didn't happen here because you and I were overseas stopping them.

Speaker 2 Right. And so they're like, yeah, it's fine.
And they downplayed. It's like, we've been saving you for 20 years.
Nobody's doing it anymore. So you better learn to save yourself.
Right.

Speaker 2 So it's a very frustrating thing, too, because you can't get any support for this. They're like, oh, terrorism is just a political thing, and they just try to bring fear in you.

Speaker 2 And it's like, what are you talking about? So it's very frustrating.

Speaker 1 Well, that's, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's Americans. That's how they are, man.

Speaker 1 Disconnected. But

Speaker 1 when do you think?

Speaker 1 This would be kind of, I want to wrap the interview up, but when, when,

Speaker 1 how certain are you that we'll see something in 2025?

Speaker 2 I'm certain we'll either have

Speaker 2 embassy attacks in 2025 or the homeland attack or both.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Well, there you have it, folks. So

Speaker 1 Sarah Adams, former CIA targeter. And

Speaker 1 like I said, we got a love-hate relationship. I love having you on.
I hate the information that you bring us because it's just, but, you know, We need to know it because

Speaker 1 while the government doesn't want to take this shit seriously, a lot of citizens do. And, you know, they're getting ready.
A lot of people are getting ready.

Speaker 1 A lot of people are yanking their kids out of school because of safety. A lot of people are at least yanking them out of schools that have no

Speaker 1 safety

Speaker 1 precautions or any plan at all. And

Speaker 1 it's just, it's, you know, it's... It's important that regular everyday Americans hear this stuff because, like you said, like Scott Mann says, nobody's coming to save you.

Speaker 1 This machine is no longer working.

Speaker 1 And so you better take matters into your own hands. And

Speaker 1 once again, Sarah, you write our intelligence newsletter every week, comes out every Monday. Benghazi, Know Thy Enemy.
We'll link it in the description below. And

Speaker 1 let's go get some lunch. I'll see you in a couple months.

Speaker 2 Sounds good.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks again, Sarah.
Thank you.

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