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Speaker 41 This is Gavin Newsome.

Speaker 41 And this is Michael Savage.

Speaker 41 The hell are you doing here? What are we doing here? The two of us, of all people. Well, we're supposedly political polar opposites, which we probably are.

Speaker 41 However, as I say on my TV show, you don't have to like my politics to like me. And a lot of people seem to like me, but hate my politics.
Some actually like me and my politics, which is the ideal.

Speaker 41 I love it. So we've known each other.
I mean, full disclosure, so folks may not know this. We've known each other over the course on and off for a couple of decades now, right?

Speaker 41 I mean, back, I remember you, I was joking with Trump the other day in the Oval Office. I said, you know, before, you know, you calling me newscum is not novel.

Speaker 41 Savage had a version of that early on when I was mayor. And he twosome Newsom.
Thank you very much. Should I tell that story? No, you shouldn't tell that story.

Speaker 41 It's got your great father involved in it.

Speaker 41 Did he get involved in it? No.

Speaker 41 I was in the North Beach restaurant, which you remember the heyday of the North Beach restaurant? Come on. Your dad, may rest in peace.
Judge Newsom was there. I was introduced to him, and I said,

Speaker 41 you were the Board of Supervisors Chairman, and you were just introduced to gay marriage at resolution. And I said, Judge, your son just made the biggest career error of his life.
He's finished.

Speaker 41 And he said, you know, I agree with you, Michael. Well, guess what? We were both wrong.
He did agree with you, by the way. He was, he was always upset.

Speaker 41 He was very, come on, old Irish Catholic, west side of San Francisco. And by the way, I remember, you remember this back in the day.
That's why you probably shook my hand back then.

Speaker 41 I ran as the conservative, right?

Speaker 41 I don't remember, honestly. I don't know what you ran as.
I know that the city was. Look, I came here in 74.
I'm an immigrant to San Francisco. My father was an immigrant to America.

Speaker 41 I'm a first-generation American, so I have one foot in the old world, one foot in the new. So I still see a little bit of of the immigrant and the native kind of stuff.

Speaker 41 But I'm new to the city. It was a great, wide open city.
You could do whatever the hell you wanted.

Speaker 41 And then what happened was it went off the rails because ultra-tolerance led to, or as I put it, Governor Newsom, when anything goes, everything goes. Got it.
It's a good line. It's a good line.

Speaker 41 My line, I tell my kids, I said, how you do anything is how you do everything. It's true.
So you got to focus on the details, how you make your bed. And it's

Speaker 41 how you do everything. You actually make them make their beds.
I make them make their beds. I make my bed too, by the way.
People don't believe that.

Speaker 41 By the way, sometimes my wife doesn't even believe it because they're a few days off. But let's talk about, you know,

Speaker 41 you've never taken any time away from the Bay Area. I mean, for all, you've been here since the 70s.
74. And you've 74, you went to Berkeley, Ph.D.
in 74.

Speaker 41 I earned it in two and a half, two years and seven months, which is a world record. No one knows about it.
I came here with two master's degrees.

Speaker 41 I was blocked from a PhD and one of the master's degrees because the field was too advanced. And I came here and got, I worked for an independent PhD, which was unheard of.

Speaker 41 There were only seven of them issued a year at the time.

Speaker 41 It was the toughest thing I ever did in my life. I was so proud to get a PhD from Berkeley because everyone said to me, that's your union card.

Speaker 41 You get that PhD, you're going to be hired as a professor. Unfortunately, hello.

Speaker 41 It kicked in. White males need not apply.
I was rejected from every position I applied for. And I was told, point blank, that we can't hire you because we have to to fill quotas.
They told it to me.

Speaker 41 So they were very excited. I mean, that's because I remember you wrote a poem in 1977, right? About white male.
You saw that? You wrote a poem in which you wrote. The death of the white male.

Speaker 41 The death of the white male. In the 70s.
How do you know that? You were talking about that. Someone gave you a background on me.
I've been tracking you. We've been casing you for years.

Speaker 41 Sounds worse for me. Savage.
I did. I wrote a hot book called The Death of the White Male, which no one knows about.
It's a pamphlet.

Speaker 41 Trotsky or Lenin would understand that.

Speaker 41 By the way, speaking of of trotsky and lennon you were hanging out with alan ginsberg yes uh lawrence ferling yes quite literal maybe i mean lawrence a poet laureate in san francisco oh yeah many moons later uh you had some you know interesting moments back there in north beach back to north beach yes i mean that was lawrence was a friend of the family lawrence and janet and i he met he flew out to uh with alan ginsburg lawrence and alan flew they're on the way to the adelaide uh arts festival in australia and we had known them from new york we know Alan from New York.

Speaker 41 And I met Lawrence here. And I said, why don't you stop at our house in Hawaii? I was renting a house, going to grad school there.
And they both stopped in. They spent a few days with us.

Speaker 41 And that was that. But Lawrence and I stayed on and on in the years, politically opposites again.

Speaker 41 But you don't have to hate someone who you don't agree with.

Speaker 41 That's why I'm here. That's why you invited me here.
I love that. And but it's, I mean, it is a remarkable journey for you.

Speaker 41 I mean, if I just wrote out your resume those early years, not only were you in San Francisco and in the Bay Area getting a PhD, but it was the PhD in what? It was around nutrition.

Speaker 41 It was around ethnomedicine. Ethnomedicine.
Nutritional ethnomedicine, which was an interdisciplinary PhD with epidemiology, human nutrition, and anthropology

Speaker 41 in a combined whole, which was an interdisciplinary PhD, which In order to get into that program, you had to go through the heaviest screening program because a lot of people use bullshit to get into interdisciplinary and do nothing.

Speaker 41 I had to go through the toughest people at that university and explain why I wanted to combine those fields in a new field.

Speaker 41 And it was a tough interview. So I got the PhD blocked from him.
I had written seven books at the time and still couldn't get a teaching job. So I got very angry, Gavin.

Speaker 41 I'm an immigrant son. I want to be a professor.
It's all I want to be. And they're saying because of your race, you can't be hired.
It's crazy. So you really, I mean, it was that in Delaware.

Speaker 41 Was that the big shift then for you in terms of your politics? Did it really become, you were like, enough?

Speaker 41 Was it?

Speaker 41 Well, Gavin, I was a social worker in New York before I came here, teacher, social worker. And I was going into houses of people on welfare who were living better than I was.

Speaker 41 I was living at the time in a rental apartment. I had wooden furniture, crates.

Speaker 41 We had a mattress on the floor. and orange crates for end tables.
So I go into the supervisor at the welfare office and I say to her, blah, blah, blah. And she says, well, start writing out checks.

Speaker 41 Mr. Smith gets $600 for an end table, $800 for two chairs, $900 for a bed.
I said, wait a minute, I don't have that. She said, just keep writing the checks.

Speaker 41 And I said, something's wrong with this system. And so you weren't raised necessarily with a strong ideological bias.

Speaker 41 Your parents weren't necessarily your father, your mom. I mean, they weren't out there marching the streets for a Democrat or a Republican.
It was none of that.

Speaker 41 Nobody knew a Republican in my family or in my circles. My father was an immigrant.
and he would walk the streets and he would point things out to me and teach me what the world was about.

Speaker 41 But he would say, I said, Dad, are you a Democrat or Republican? He would say, you know, Michael, he said, all I know is things are better for me when Democrats are in office.

Speaker 41 Now, remember, he came through the Depression.

Speaker 41 He worked in the WPA. He got a job as a kid who had nothing driving a car for a politician.
I still don't know how he got it. Who did he know?

Speaker 41 He told me stories of driving some corrupt politician to Saratoga Springs. I don't even know the rest of those stories.

Speaker 41 So he, to him, the government intervened in the Great Depression with the WPA and it saved him. Right.
So it shaped his perspective.

Speaker 41 But he didn't understand that after JFK, who I voted for, I love Jay, he was one of my heroes.

Speaker 41 I'll never forget how he influenced me. When I saw that picture of him and he said, don't ask what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

Speaker 41 You know that that puts steel in my spine. I wanted to go out and march and do something for my country.
I love that. One good line can influence a person for a long time.

Speaker 41 Yeah, this notion of responsibility, not just opportunity. It's the one piece that I think our party continues, we continue to miss.
Well, and I, but we're going to get to that in a moment.

Speaker 41 But I want, I just want to talk about those moments that shaped you. I mean, again, sitting here talking about nutrition, you were working in a clinic in San Francisco.
Yes.

Speaker 41 You're writing all these books. You were, I mean, dare I say in the, and here are a bunch of them right here.
One of what, by the way, you said seven, but you've done 29

Speaker 41 books published.

Speaker 41 And several unpublished. Several.

Speaker 41 We'll get to. You know, there's two novels in there set in San Francisco.
People don't read novels. Abuse of power and a Time for War.

Speaker 41 They're set in San Francisco in North Beach, in the North Beach restaurant and around there at the time when Lorenzo was alive. Lorenzo Petroni,

Speaker 41 North Beach restaurant. So he used to run

Speaker 41 old Italian, and all the Democrats would meet in that restaurant, remember? In the back room. And the closet of Republicans.
So they'd meet there.

Speaker 41 And one of them once said to him, he said, Michael, you know what they said to me? I said, what? They said to me,

Speaker 41 Are you a right-winger? He says, no, I'm not a right-winger. I'm a fascist.
That's what Lorenzo said. May he rest in peace.
May you rest in peace, by the way. I'm survived.

Speaker 41 He survived as long as he did. He was usually three or four bottles at lunch in and then went all night.

Speaker 41 Poor man.

Speaker 41 But he was

Speaker 41 built like a bear. A bear.
He was a bear, old world bear. Different generation.

Speaker 41 So we were shaped so similarly. I mean, I was the kid in the corner with my father, with George Moscone, the former mayor, Quentin Kopp, the former state senator, then become judge, all that.

Speaker 41 And that shaped my political beginnings and sort of, you know, gave me a sense of what the whole political scene was about in North Beach was really the sort of, it was the neighborhood city hall where real deals were done.

Speaker 41 So Gavin, we want to talk about, I'm sorry, the personal stuff and the health stuff. I know that, but if I don't ask some, can I read the bullet points? Unbelievable.
See, you're bringing notes.

Speaker 41 I bring nothing.

Speaker 41 I got the questions. I'm not as young as you.

Speaker 41 Well, I want to, let's jump in. I'm going to, but I want to start.
Let's start with this and we'll go back and forth.

Speaker 41 But this whole frame of nutrition is really interesting because it's very contemporary now.

Speaker 41 You've got RFK Jr., you've got now new health and human service secretary, obviously Trump embracing this notion of Maha, make America healthy again. By the way, I love that.
I love that, California.

Speaker 41 Look at you. You're not a fat guy.
No, but it's not even about body weight. It's about just health and wellness, all the stuff you've been preaching and practicing.
You were the original, you were,

Speaker 41 I'll say you original bunch of things, and we'll get to language, movements, and culture in a minute. Oh, wow.
And Trump and Trumpism, because you were, you know,

Speaker 41 Trump was a Democrat while you were practicing these fundamental principles.

Speaker 41 But this whole Maha movement, I mean, you've got to feel pretty good about that.

Speaker 41 Or do you feel it's a little off base and not necessarily, is it well established in the sort of cornerstone of your more academic thinking? Okay. So I was a big

Speaker 41 element of the alternative health movement in California from the time I got here. Herbal medicine, homeopathy, nutrition.
Wrote books on it. I knew all the leaders.
I knew Linus Pauling.

Speaker 41 I knew Bob Cathcart. I knew Richard Cunyon.
These were the

Speaker 41 geniuses in the field. Here's the problem with RFK Jr.
He's a Johnny come lately to the field. I like what he's doing.
He doesn't have the nuance or the subtlety to understand a lot of it.

Speaker 41 And even when he was appointed, I was sending messages to Trump saying, you can't eliminate the entire health and human services department. There are some good

Speaker 41 scientists in the NIH. You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Slow down. All revolutionaries, as you know, left and right, want to start from the beginning.
You can't do it.

Speaker 41 You can't fire every scientist. I try to tell him that.
And I try to get on the good side of RFK Jr. without any luck.
Russ was skiing in Aspen a few weeks ago.

Speaker 41 You know who was on the chair next to him? Who? RFK Jr.

Speaker 41 So he said to him who he is and he says, you know who my dad is? And he says, Michael Savage. And he says, wow, he's a great guy.
But, you know, I've never talked to him. RFK all these years.

Speaker 41 No, I still haven't gotten to him. Interesting.
Despite the fact you've been at this longer than he's been on this.

Speaker 41 I would like to help as an advisor on the alternative medicine side of his revolutionary quest.

Speaker 41 And I also would like to offer you, Gavin Newsom, as the governor of this great state where I've been since 74. Don't you have a health task force, alternative medicine? Yeah, of course, no.

Speaker 41 We're about wellness, about health care, not sick care.

Speaker 41 We've been focused on all the issues around ultra-processed food, free meals, nutritious meals, focusing on farm to fork, focusing on proximity to agriculture, focusing on small farms and regenerative farming, all the component parts and all this.

Speaker 41 I mean, a lot of it, of course, is weaponized politically. I did, quote-unquote, the Skittles ban a couple of years ago.

Speaker 41 The same folks in the right were attacking the Skittles ban, which was about red dye. Now they're embracing and celebrating it.
Big dye number four.

Speaker 41 I wrote about it in 1974 in a book called Bugs in the Peanut Butter. Is that right? It was a book for children about all the dangers in everyday foods.
People thought I was crazy. I love it.

Speaker 41 But do you have a commission on alternative health, homeopathy, nutrition, herbal medicine? We have, you know, not full.

Speaker 41 I mean, it's represented in health bodies, but it's not fully represented in the world. This is what the state of California should be leading the world in, all these alternative I think modalities.

Speaker 41 You have tons of practitioners in those fields in this state. Dollar a year.

Speaker 41 I mean, we may negotiate 50 cents.

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Speaker 41 I'm so curious. I mean, look, I joke about language,

Speaker 41 borders, language culture,

Speaker 41 my motto.

Speaker 41 I mean, it's just indelible.

Speaker 41 I was listening to you as a supervisor, as listening to you as mayor, not just because we ran into each other, not just because I knew your son, Russ, and love your wife, Janet.

Speaker 41 You're the most entertaining person and personality, period, full stop and storyteller on the radio. You were.
I'm a good story. Well, I tell stories because they're part of life.

Speaker 41 And education is about telling stories. A good teacher tells a story, doesn't just beat you up with facts.
So, if I can tell a story about my life and it makes a political point, fine.

Speaker 41 So, let me tell a political story, if I may. About five years ago, I had a heart attack here in Marin County.

Speaker 41 So, I'm rushed to Marin General.

Speaker 41 I have to wait online. It's filled with illegal aliens.
And the girl at the desk makes me wait. I said, I'm dying.
Do you understand? I called the car. He's waiting for me.

Speaker 41 And she starts driving me through like hooks. I said, No.
And I walk into the ER room and they hook me up and do their stuff.

Speaker 41 So in come two huge 250 pound black bodyguards because they heard there was a troublemaker in the emergency room. So here's this little Jewish guy in a journey with wires and plugs in him.

Speaker 41 And I said, yeah, I'm the one who was causing trouble out there. They laughed and they left.

Speaker 41 And I was, why do I have to wait to get into an emergency room when I pay more taxes than any 10,000 of them do? You know what? That's why we do preventative care.

Speaker 41 That's why we have a different approach because we have sick care in the emergency room that's universal across this country. Well, I told you.

Speaker 41 People have access all across the country with similar circumstances. You are at substantially higher prices on the back end for the emergency care.

Speaker 41 See, this is where we disagree because you can't give first world excellent medical care to everyone on the planet

Speaker 41 without going bankrupt. No, I appreciate it, but honestly, I mean this sincerely.

Speaker 41 What would you do to the person that was just hit by a car that was here for 15 years taking care of your elderly grandparents in an elder care facility, and they end up in the emergency room?

Speaker 41 You say, no, you're not going to get that care. Of course you're going to give them care.
First of all, it's not only inhumane, but it's available to them, but that's not what we're talking about.

Speaker 41 There are people coming over the border just for expensive surgeries, just for expensive.

Speaker 41 By the way, a few years ago, I remember people going south of the border into Tijuana from San Diego because it was cheaper to get some quality care in Mexico. Those days are over.
They're coming.

Speaker 41 But if you talk about borders, language, and culture, which you introduced, and I think it's very important that everyone knows it's my mantra. Why aren't you asking?

Speaker 41 And by the way, when was it your mantra? I mean,

Speaker 41 94. Were people talking like that in the early 90s? They were starting to a little bit, right? Right.
Prop 187 in California. Oh, you remember 209 and 187.

Speaker 41 So there was a little of that, but you, but you really coined that phrase. Okay, so I created the Paul Revere Society in 94 here in California, which no longer exists.

Speaker 41 And the motto had to write a card up.

Speaker 41 What do we stand for? Borders, language, culture.

Speaker 41 So nobody truly understood it, but there's not a country on earth that is not defined by its borders, unified by its language, and doesn't have a common culture.

Speaker 41 And when you lose all of that, you lose the nation. I don't care what the nation is.
It could be a small African nation, a small Caribbean nation.

Speaker 41 They're defined by their borders, language, and culture. How hard is that people understand? So when, let me just finish the border thing.

Speaker 41 Even China built the Great Wall of China to protect its border. Why? Because the Mongols were invading China.
So I'm a total believer in the sovereignty of a nation.

Speaker 41 I don't know how anyone can argue with that. Right.
And I mean,

Speaker 41 there are some that obviously do, but I'm not among them.

Speaker 41 By the way, California, we put down almost 400, 394 National Guards since the week I first became governor to supplement and support customs and border patrol at the border to address some of the issues of fentanyl and some of the border security concerns.

Speaker 41 So I take a look at the... Do you agree with Trump then on cracking down on the flood of illegals into the nation? I think there's a way of doing it and approaching it.

Speaker 41 And I think we have a broader problem, which is immigration policy and asylum abuse. The asylum system is broken in the United States.

Speaker 41 You have the power to do something about it in the state, don't you? Well, not directly.

Speaker 41 And we have no border, direct border, except for supplementing our support, which we again have been doing for years and years and years.

Speaker 41 So here's a great statement that no one's going to expect from me, where I probably am to the left of you on something with immigration that people don't understand.

Speaker 41 I know of a person who was here 20 years from Mexico. He's worked seven days a week.
He's paid taxes. He can't become a citizen.
That's wrong. I'm with you.
Something's wrong with that.

Speaker 41 That's why

Speaker 41 we talk about the border, which is critical. Not even a traffic ticket.
I appreciate it. He has not even a traffic ticket.
Now you're having, so this is interesting.

Speaker 41 Just the last comprehensive survey in the state of California, and this is not a contemporary survey, needs to be updated, said that 67% of people that are here without documentation in California have been here for 10 plus years along the same

Speaker 41 and paying taxes. But here's the same thing.

Speaker 41 The worker pays taxes, but they have several dependents at home who don't, who live on supplemental income from the state and the federal government. That is a problem.

Speaker 41 And that's, and therein lies, yes, some of the sort of dialectic you and I will have to have have in terms of what's the appropriate level of support and how you deal with that reality.

Speaker 41 The federal failure to address the issue of immigration, immigration policy, and border, we completely agree with. The question is, what's that pathway to address the example you just provided?

Speaker 41 Because I pay to it. Gavin, I pay 16% in state taxes.
You pay, well, then you need a better accountant because it's 13.3%. But there's a millionaires tax on top of it.

Speaker 41 And I work, and I'm 83 years old, and I still work. Right.
Okay. I have another home in Florida.
I don't live there. I prefer where I live.

Speaker 41 I've gotten used to the fog, to the seagulls, to the cormorants. I know all the birds of the bay.
I'm an avid boater. So I got used to watching the fog roll in over the Marin Hills.

Speaker 41 I watch it roll out in the afternoon. I love it.

Speaker 41 And I've always said you got the 10 zones here. You got snow to the desert.
So it's a perfect geographical location for me.

Speaker 41 But there's a point at which I will leave this state and that will be taxation without representation.

Speaker 41 I could go to Florida and pay no state tax. Right.
Right. Yeah, I mean, the reality is

Speaker 41 we have the highest tax rate, but not the highest taxes in America. Who has a higher state tax?

Speaker 41 Tax rate. The vast majority of people are not you.
They're not the 1%, which means 99% of other people are subsidizing. I'm subsidizing them.
No, but at the end of the, well, we'll get to that.

Speaker 41 But the bottom line, places like you use Florida, they tax their low-wage workers more than we tax themselves. Yeah, but Gavin, I shouldn't be punished for succeeding.

Speaker 41 and it's a disincentive to me I get it but why should I work why should I keep working well there's there's many reasons and you don't need to work I know this there's one thing I know of course you you of all people do not have to work

Speaker 41 for but Gavin I'm an immigrant son I wore dead man's pants as a kid every nickel I have I have worked I've worked since I'm five years old yeah

Speaker 41 a young man drives to me he's from Mexico right he says Michael you're an inspiration to me you keep working at your age I tell all my friends that not all white people in houses don't work He says, some of you keep working and why?

Speaker 41 He said, you're such an inspiration to me. But work is a self- you know, Gauguin, I'm sorry, Rodin, the great sculptor.
Yeah. Everyone knows his work.

Speaker 41 It's in the Palace of the Legion of Honor, all his work, right? Love that museum.

Speaker 41 So I read Rodin avidly, and Rodin said, work is the only salvation. And I found that to be true.
I love it.

Speaker 41 I was with Voltaire. He said, work solves life's three great evils, boredom, vice, and need.
Who said that? Voltaire. Voltaire.
Boredom, boredom, vice, and need. Look, I'm with you.

Speaker 41 We're not, but I think it's important just in California.

Speaker 41 The vast majority of middle-class taxpayers pay less than they do in California, middle-class, than they do in states like Texas.

Speaker 41 It's a question of who you're for. We have the highest.

Speaker 41 Average to slightly above average taxed state. Wow.
It's the 1%.

Speaker 41 And by the way, we haven't raised your taxes at the 1% since 2011.

Speaker 41 It wasn't, by the way, I wasn't governor, wasn't lieutenant governor, or I just became lieutenant governor, but it was the voters of California that did that. But I don't disagree with you.

Speaker 41 Poor people always vote for taxation on the rich. That's what Karl Marx taught them to do.
So the thing is,

Speaker 41 I'm not advocating for increasing taxes, haven't done it as governor of the state of California, no income tax increases under my governorship. I've opposed them.

Speaker 41 In fact, did $5 million of ads to stop Proposition 30, which was a tax increase run by corporations in the Bay Area that had their own special tax increase where I did ads to oppose it and impose the wealth tax in California.

Speaker 41 So we're trying to keep you here, Dr. Savage.

Speaker 41 I will lead the group

Speaker 41 taxes go up. I know, and we're working hard against that.
So look, I made a little list, borders, voting,

Speaker 41 illegal aliens who are voting in the state. Is that still illegal? Of course, it was always illegal.
It wasn't ever illegal. So I'll bring up voting.

Speaker 41 But what substantive evidence is there to suggest that you have any receipts to back up that all of these people are voting illegally?

Speaker 41 I know that all of them are, but I'll ask you a question that everyone. Look, I put this on social media and they said ask the governor.
And again, I don't have to be contentious to ask you this.

Speaker 41 No, I appreciate it. Why does it take so many months or days to count the ballots in California, a month? Legit.
India, one day to count 640 million votes.

Speaker 41 Germany, eight hours to count 50 million votes. Argentina, six hours to count 27 million votes.
California, four weeks to count 60 million votes. It's ridiculous.
Why? It's ridiculous.

Speaker 41 It's because it's, and by the way, we've been having this conversation enough. And it's a con, first of all, we believe that every vote counts.

Speaker 41 So we want to make sure every vote is counted because of the provisional ballots the fact we do all mail-in ballots the fact that we have such an such huge investments uh in making sure that we increase that outreach we want to make sure again every vote counts but you're right the time right about the right no the right absolutely uh the right is right and you are right to criticize the extended period i'm not actually a right

Speaker 41 i'm an independent you're an independent conservative i would say what does that mean independent conservative meaning i'll make up my own mind about every issue.

Speaker 41 So, on the environment, I'm probably to the left of you.

Speaker 41 What I love about you, this is where we have some interaction periodically. And I look at you as you're an animal rights guy that's

Speaker 41 big into the animal rights advocates. Well, not burning down clinics

Speaker 41 or attacking people who eat meat. You're a conservationist, but you don't work.
You're conservative.

Speaker 41 Because there's a difference. Conservationists believe in conserving the environment.

Speaker 41 Environmentalists use the environment as a political political weapon or a tool to advance, I would say, a Marxist agenda. There's a big difference.

Speaker 41 It's like anything else. I mean, you could be for something without using it as a weapon against your political enemies.
So everyone's saying the fires, the fires, the fires.

Speaker 41 Can we talk about the fires? Yeah, we need to talk about the fires.

Speaker 41 This last decade has been extraordinary and devastating, not just in Los Angeles, but the campfire where I originally was with President Trump as governor-elect, walking there, 85 people lost their lives.

Speaker 41 We live very close, both of us now in Marin, Santa Rosa, the Tubbs fire, 50 years, terrible fire, 100 housing units lost. So no,

Speaker 41 this is serious stuff. And, you know, God bless, there's fires going on in the middle of winter in South North or North Carolina as we speak.
But what about the rebuilding down in Pacific Palisades?

Speaker 41 This is a hot-button issue.

Speaker 41 Shouldn't there be a, I'm sorry, a special master to administer the funds? It seems fishy to a lot of people. Administer which funds? The FEMA dollars? The rebuilding

Speaker 41 of Los Angeles. Well, there should be accountability across the spectrum.
Who's accounting for it?

Speaker 41 FEMA has rules and regulations that are overseen by Congress, and obviously the distribution of those funds. A lot of it's individual aid.
A lot of it's through the SBA.

Speaker 41 A lot of it have very prescriptive requirements that are well established across the country. But we're all for accountability.
I'm for accountability and have no problem.

Speaker 41 And I think in terms of that transparency and accountability, advocating for it for all our tax dollars, not just as it relates to regional.

Speaker 41 So here's one related to it from my friend Danny Horowitz, who's my attorney. Great man.
You got to meet Daniel. Hope you never have to meet him, but no, he's a great guy.

Speaker 41 Are you getting in trouble?

Speaker 41 No, no, no. I hate lawyers.
I only like my lawyer. So he said, please, he loves you.
He says, he said, please ask the governor the following.

Speaker 41 He said, State Senator Scott Weiner, DSF, has introduced SB 677, which his website says is designed to strengthen Tour of California's landmark housing streamlining laws, SB 9, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 41 These bills would allow developers to override local zoning laws and create high-density housing in suburbs and places like the burned-down areas of LA.

Speaker 41 The bills allow this intensified development without any provision for increased fire, police, or water services.

Speaker 41 He says, Gavin, you signed SB 9 and SB 423 given the devastating impact of Los Angeles fires.

Speaker 41 Are you willing to rethink your support of these bills and allow local communities to make their own assessments of fire and public safety readiness?

Speaker 41 Well, so as it relates to the specific bill that he referenced that Scott Wiener just introduced, one of 2,000, Michael, over 2,000 bills were just introduced by the legislature. Too many bills.

Speaker 41 There's not 2,000 problems. I know you think there are a lot of problems.
They're not 2,000 problems. I mean, you don't think they're 2,000.
I don't think there's problems.

Speaker 41 I don't think there's two problems. There's only three.
What is language and culture? What are language and culture?

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Speaker 41 We'll get to language and culture in a second. We talked a little bit about borders, but no, so first of all, I haven't had a chance to review it, so it's difficult to respond specifically about it.

Speaker 41 It's not on my desk. It may never end up on my desk.
Which of these bills?

Speaker 41 The bill that he was referencing from Scott Weiner. And that's not just me punting on it.
But let me talk about the rebuild in L.A. I'm not looking to upzone the Palisades.

Speaker 41 We're not looking to make this sort of developer-friendly.

Speaker 41 In fact, I waived the Coastal Act and I waived SEQA, which is our environmental reforms, to allow people to rebuild like units within 110% of the original footprint with the original plans, fast-tracking that process.

Speaker 41 We got the debris removed. And thank you to the EPA.
Thank you, Lise Eldon. Thank you to President Trump directly for helping.

Speaker 41 We got the debris for the hazardous waste done in less than 30 days, unprecedented in U.S. history.
We want to get the rest of this debris done within nine months.

Speaker 41 Concurrently, we're already doing housing permits, and people are going to start reconstruction in a matter of months. But you got to build back smarter, better.

Speaker 41 You got to deal with the climate realities. You got to deal with fire issues.
You've got to deal with redundancies and systems related to fire systems. It's not going to slow everything down.

Speaker 41 Not going to slow everything down. We do this concurrently.
We do this in a sort of stacking order.

Speaker 41 We're trying to do this quickly, but safely and smartly, because we don't want to be as dumb as we possibly want to be by building back in the way that we built in the 50s for a world that no longer exists today.

Speaker 41 And you have to admit, hots are getting hotter, dries are drier. Droughts, these atmospheric rivers,

Speaker 41 Mr. Science.

Speaker 41 Science is my middle name. I know.

Speaker 41 I mean, but

Speaker 41 your eyes tell you a different story, too, right? No, no, reality is reality. Let's talk about climate change.

Speaker 41 You brought it up. I just brought up

Speaker 41 temperatures and record drafts. And a lot of this is total bullshit.
They're all wrong on it. The science doesn't support it.

Speaker 41 And I'm going to give you one piece of evidence that people don't want to look at, real science evidence. I did it on my YouTube.
channel yesterday because I was talking about the Pope and his health.

Speaker 41 And the Pope is a radical leftist politically, by the way. St.
Francis of San Francisco. No, and I wish him

Speaker 41 a speedy recovery. But he was a radical, you know, leftist guy, and he was wrong about environmental things.
Because I know who wrote his encyclical on this, and the guy is a classic Marxist.

Speaker 41 So one piece of evidence, which they'll cut right out of this tape, they're called the Vostok ice core samples. No one heard of them.
Okay. Okay.
So Russia and France, you got left and right. Yeah.

Speaker 41 Scientists from both countries drill into the Antarctic shelf. They drill down 10,000 feet, two miles.
They pull up a core from the Antarctic. And why are you looking at the core of the Antarctic?

Speaker 41 Because you can see climactic changes in the core, as you understand. And guess what? There were carbon dioxide increases millennia ago, but they always followed temperature increases.

Speaker 41 They didn't cause the temperature increases. People don't understand that we had a period of great flora enveloping the earth, which produced a great deal of carbon dioxide.

Speaker 41 So it, now, don't, don't get me wrong, though. I'm not arguing for pollution.
No, I am. I'm a guy who bicycles every day.
I like a

Speaker 41 Berkeley graduate that bicycles every day and writes books about nutrition. Right.
Believe me, I hate pollution. He's the original, I mean, the guy who's inspired so much of what Trump is advancing.

Speaker 41 Well, let's talk about that if you want. Let's talk about Trump.
And Trump is a. But don't you, and before that, though, because to be fair on the climate issue, I mean, but you'll acknowledge.

Speaker 41 I mean, seriously, just, you know,

Speaker 41 you're a Northern California guy, you go up to Lake Tahoe, just the snow levels. I mean, there's some trend lines here that are understandable headlines.
But climate's been changing for millennia.

Speaker 41 And you'll acknowledge it's changing. Well, wait a minute, but it's not changing in the direction you think it is.

Speaker 41 We're actually entering a little ice period.

Speaker 41 People don't study history long and in geological history. We're actually entering a cold phase, not a hot phase.
So climate change, remember in the Middle Ages, the 1500s, it was very cold in Europe.

Speaker 41 Read about that. You weren't around.
Yeah, it wasn't. But it was frozen.
England was for all of the Dickens novels set in the snow in London

Speaker 41 because a cold wave came through England. It was a cold, a little ice age, it was called.
We're entering a small little ice period on the earth, not the opposite. So there's a lot more to the science.

Speaker 41 If you could let me sit down and I'll show you data and your scientists, they're not going to want to hear it because people don't want to look at science.

Speaker 41 They only want their doxies supported by the science they approve of. Yeah.
No, I I mean, look, you don't have to believe in science, but I do. I joked about believing your own eyes.

Speaker 41 I mean, places, lifestyles, traditions, communities being wiped off the mat.

Speaker 41 We had a three-year historic drought, the most significant drought, California's history drought since statehood, and it ended in three weeks with the wettest three weeks since statehood. Correct.

Speaker 41 The wettest. Extreme.
Because nature always corrects itself. The most extreme weather.

Speaker 41 Darren, come on. Nature corrects itself.
Wait, I'll tell you something something. This bat last bats a thousand.
Chemistry, biology, physics. That's all Mother Nature is.
I'll agree with you on that.

Speaker 41 But, Gavin, listen. In 1872, it was so hot in the state of California before there was the first internal combustion engine, 1872.

Speaker 41 The cornfields exploded in the Sacramento Valley from a heat wave.

Speaker 41 No cars, no real factories yet, because the climate was changing because it always changes. Now, having said that, I'm not arguing for pollution.

Speaker 41 It's a form of theft in my mind. You know why I moved from New York? Pollution.
I left New York in the 60s to get away from the, I would be dead if I had stayed.

Speaker 41 By the way, in 1967, Ronald Reagan, then governor, agreed with you. He created the California Air Resources Board because of the smog in L.A.
Good for him.

Speaker 41 He wanted to clean the air, Clean Air Act, 1970. Did he do it? And our waiver was caught up.
That's what Trump's attacking right now.

Speaker 41 There's that beautiful picture of Reagan in the oval looking down at President Trump as he vandalizes Reagan and and Nixon's. I'm not going to join you in attacking

Speaker 41 Trump on this podcast, even though you would like me to. But sneaky.

Speaker 41 We're getting along, Trump and Trump. Well, here's the question.
We spent an hour and a half, but he's look.

Speaker 41 How can you ask him for $300 billion to rebuild California and spend $50 million and spend $50 million attacking him? How's that possible? We didn't spend $50 million attacking him.

Speaker 41 We hope we don't use a penny of it.

Speaker 41 We were involved in 122 lawsuits in the last Trump administration. I was only involved in two years of that.

Speaker 41 Governor Brown, who you know well, have had on your show over the years, was involved in the United States. I think I

Speaker 41 only to make the point that you're always someone that reaches out. And I have always appreciated that.

Speaker 41 I had Nancy Pelosi on my radio show. Proving the point.
Nobody would know it. I know.
I had Charles Schumer on my radio show years ago. No one knows that.
See? You know why? Why?

Speaker 41 Politics makes strange bedfellows. That's why we're here.

Speaker 41 And we're having a civil conversation. So, look, we didn't put that money up to go after proactively Trump.

Speaker 41 We're doing to protect Ronald Reagan's leadership at the California Air Resource Corporation. You can make that statement if you want.
Now, look, on the environment,

Speaker 41 I can guarantee you that on the environment, Trump and I don't get along. I can guarantee you.

Speaker 41 We knew that in the last administration. And in fact, I can tell you a story about it if you'd like to hear it.

Speaker 41 I was on Air Force One with him in the flying Oval Office. I won't tell you the long story, but we flew out of Moffett Field to L.A.
to a fundraiser. I got on it at the last minute.

Speaker 41 And he didn't like me because I was criticizing him on the radio about his environmental policies.

Speaker 41 I'm led into the Oval Office.

Speaker 41 I was led on the plane at almost the last minute, and a guy won't tell you who got me on. He said it takes months for clearance.
We got you on. So he gets me on.

Speaker 41 I'm on the plane, and they have a buffet.

Speaker 41 And I tend to like wine. And I was, I hadn't drank, so I started drinking.
Did you have wine on Trump's Air Force? I did, he doesn't drink, but no, I know. Yeah, I didn't think I'd be meeting him.

Speaker 41 I thought I was just getting a ride down to LA for another fundraiser. All of a sudden, after I had three glasses of wine, they said, he'll see you now.
I said, oh, shit, now?

Speaker 41 So I said, Okay. So they bring me in.
I swear to God, he's sitting in the most powerful chair in the world.

Speaker 41 And the minute I walk through the door, he looks at the guy who brings me and he says, He doesn't look at me. He says, What is he doing here?

Speaker 41 Points at me like I'm a nun person, but I'm from Queens on the other side of Union Turnpike. And I knew he's, I know how he works.

Speaker 41 So he sits, he goes like this, like, bring the Hebrew in, you know, sit him down. The king, bring him.
So he sits me down, and I say, he says, What are you doing here?

Speaker 41 Because he knew I was critical of him on animals and the environment.

Speaker 41 I said, Donald, you need me. He says, I don't need you.
I said, come on, knock it off. You have Hannity in your back pocket like a sock puppet.
I said, they all kiss your ass.

Speaker 41 I said, you need me because I speak to the educated people out there who want the environment protected. I don't need you.
And went on and on. But you know, Gavin, after that, we settled down.

Speaker 41 We had a 15-minute flight. His valet brings out two hot dogs.
They were kosher, by the way, and I'm not kosher. And I'm starving because I didn't eat all day.
Show you how sensitive he is.

Speaker 41 You've met the man. Oh, many times.
And he looks in my eyes and he sees my eyes dart onto the hot dogs. And he looks at me and he says, do you want one?

Speaker 41 The most powerful man in the world holds up a tray and asks me, I'll take one of his two hot dogs. Being from New York, I said, sure.
Now, last point, he's not a bad guy.

Speaker 41 He says to me, mustard a ketchup.

Speaker 41 Well, that's obvious, right? No, I don't. You tell me you're a mustard guy.
I'm a mustard guy.

Speaker 41 But he put it on my hot dog. So what is the point? The point is that he's actually a very sensitive guy to other people.
I agree. By the way, you are as well.
But I've always felt that about you.

Speaker 41 I am. That's a compliment.
30 years ago, you came to a Thanksgiving party. I had a Schroeder restaurant.
30 years ago? Gavin, I was. Jesus, no, I said two decades.
It's been three years.

Speaker 41 Well, okay, I started the radio in 94. Ray Talia Farrell, which you can't even make up.
You subbed for Ray Talia Farrell, who was a liberal lion back in the day, late, late at night. Remember that?

Speaker 41 KGO Ray. Late late night.
KGO Ray. But then you, so that was obviously such a success.

Speaker 41 And obviously you woke a lot of people up. It wasn't a success.
What happened was the

Speaker 41 program director asked me to fill in for a guy on KGO I never listened to because I'm not up in the middle of the night. So I figured, yeah, I'll do a radio.
So I go on KGO at night.

Speaker 41 I didn't even know who he was. And I start talking about stuff that I believe in.
And people were calling the most hateful calls I ever had in my life.

Speaker 41 I drove home that night to my family. I was shaken, looking in the rearview mirror.

Speaker 41 I was like scared someone was going to kill me. You You literally said for Ray Taglia Ferrara.
I mean, I'm talking about left. I mean, Bernie Sanders is a right-wing person.

Speaker 41 Don't even mention his name. No, to compare it to Ray Tagliaferro.
And he sort of dominated, but still, and you got your own show the next year.

Speaker 41 No, no, I went home and I said to my wife, I'm never going to do radio again as long as I live. It was the most hateful experience of my life.
I'm not doing it again. Next day, the phone rings.

Speaker 41 And the rest is history. She begged me to do it again.
I said, I'll never do that show again. And I'll never do an overnight show again.

Speaker 41 And before long, they created KSFO, the conservative alternative. They made me the afternoon drive host.
And of course, it took off from there. They became syndicated.
But not just took off.

Speaker 41 I mean, you had, what, 9 million listeners?

Speaker 41 Probably closer to 20 million listeners. Which is at the peak.
So, I mean, you were the, I mean, you talk about this whole space. I mean, we, and, you know, how everything's changed.

Speaker 41 You've got your podcast now, radio, but you dominated this space. Well, Rush was number one.

Speaker 41 It was you, Rush, Rush, Hannity, and Savage. And Hannity.
Yeah. Yeah.
But Hannity has no intellect. Rush, I won't say a word about because he's deceased.
Yeah. I won't talk about the dead.

Speaker 41 You've never been shy about criticizing anybody. Anything.
Including myself.

Speaker 41 Are you good about your good stuff? But I don't want to say you. I mean, I love.

Speaker 41 Even Joe Rogan, which is interesting, called him a meathead. Well, unfortunately, he is a bit of a meathead.
I mean, look, you can't argue with success. No.

Speaker 41 And the fact is, is that he's the most number one biggest podcaster in the country. But ask yourself a question.
Why hasn't he had me on?

Speaker 41 Why?

Speaker 41 I don't know. Because he's afraid to talk to me.
He's at people you never heard of on that podcast. Understatement.
Most I have.

Speaker 41 I don't listen to that. But, you know, it's a relief.
I don't have the time. Look,

Speaker 41 I had Tucker Carlson on my first TV show on Newsmax four weeks ago, which was a shock.

Speaker 41 Why? Because he hadn't been back on TV in a while. I didn't think Tucker would do an interview, number one.
Interesting. He's a giant.

Speaker 41 I agree with that. I agree.
And Tucker always liked me. I ran into him in San Francisco in a studio.
We were crossing doing a show. He was very friendly to me, then never talked to me again.

Speaker 41 And I invited him on my TV show and he shockingly said yes. And he's a very congenial, intelligent person.
You like him. I appreciate it.
But you don't like Glenn Beck.

Speaker 41 You called him, what are you, hemorrhoids with eyes? Well, I believe that was then. I don't use those terms anymore.
I've become older and wiser.

Speaker 41 But Gavin, you know, you should have Tucker on. He's very smart.
I don't, I agree. I think, no, I'm fascinated by Tucker.
But I'm fascinated by. Well, he's a liberal at heart.
You know, he's

Speaker 41 people don't remember. Tucker had a bow tie and was on MSNBC.
Do you remember that? You had it still. Three months show on MSNBC.
People can't believe that either. Jesus.
I remember that.

Speaker 41 I was watching you every night. Did you see the night I uploaded? No, that was, well, you expressed a strong opinion that was not necessarily shared by many.
And it was a prank caller, I recall.

Speaker 41 It was a prank caller. They had the power to control it by cutting it.
and editing it out and they let it run because I was undermined by the team. Watch out for your team, Gavin.

Speaker 41 I was told in the media from the beginning, it's always the people who run the cameras, the lights, and the microphones who control your future.

Speaker 41 But it's amazing your resilience. But more importantly, I want to go back, though.
You dominated this space. And so basically, and you're still at it to the point.
You don't need to do this.

Speaker 41 Obviously, you love doing it. You're entertaining as hell.
It's not all just political pleasure.

Speaker 41 Edutainment. Let's say there's a duty.
You're edutainment. Is that how you describe it? Is it? I mean, and has that been the secret sauce?

Speaker 41 It's, I mean, facts, sure, but I mean, you're talking about what you're eating. You're talking about

Speaker 41 recipes. What you're doing.

Speaker 41 That was the fun part of my radio stuff. But on YouTube, I do cooking shows at night in my house where I can curse politicians.

Speaker 41 So if I'm cooking, if I'm cooking my calamari or my shrimp at night on my pan and the camera's on me, and I say, this shrimp has more integrity than Joe Biden. And I'm not kidding.

Speaker 41 At least you know it's a shrimp and where it came from. But, okay, but I would use cooking as a foil.
It's a lot of fun. Duce, what do you make of today? What do you make of the Charlie Kirk types?

Speaker 41 And Tucker, I mean, all these folks, these new platforms, hundreds of men, I mean, they seem to be profoundly influential in sort of building off the craft you sort of led decades and decades ago.

Speaker 41 I mean, you're sort of the, oh, forgive the frame, but it's the OG of so much what existed. What does OG mean? Well, just sort of the, well, in the vernacular of, you know.

Speaker 41 original gangster. Oh, God.

Speaker 41 You know, I mean, I'm using, you know, just some language that that people can imagine. No, now I understand.
Yeah, but I mean, literally, it's the world you invented.

Speaker 41 I didn't invent. And it existed before me.
There was talk right here in New York. I never listened to it, by the way.
Yeah. I was not that interested in it.
But you took it to another level.

Speaker 41 Because I introduced a level of education and knowledge and personality that never existed. People are not willing to talk about their day life.

Speaker 41 So if I would walk in San Francisco and I'd go in a restaurant, I eat a lot of cheap Chinese restaurants, which I love. I would talk about the meal.

Speaker 41 And people were interested in the meal

Speaker 41 as much as they were in the politics, if not more so. And you'd also, as you're walking the streets, express your point of view about the politics.

Speaker 41 Let's talk about San Francisco, Gavin, please. I love the city.
I don't go over the bridge anymore. Well, I mean, you should.
City's coming back. Here's what happened back.
Here's what happened.

Speaker 41 About 10 years ago, I was in North Beach. By the way, North Beach Restaurant just reopened.

Speaker 41 And another conversation. In November, they called me when I was in Florida.
New owners. Do you know them? Yes.
And he asked me to come in. He said, we know how important you are to this restaurant.

Speaker 41 By the way, I have three novels here. That restaurant's featured in three of them.

Speaker 41 So I'm sitting in North Beach having dinner. A man comes by, if you want to call him that, takes his pants down and defecates outside the window in the street.
Yeah. Not acceptable.

Speaker 41 Without civility, there could be no civil order in a country. I agree with you.
This shouldn't be permitted. It's not acceptable.
Nor are the encampments, nor the tents. I couldn't agree with you.

Speaker 41 I mean, how do you driving accountability?

Speaker 41 How do you not

Speaker 41 crack down on these? Well, we did. Well, remember, I did care, not cash.
My body was burnt in effigy. It became the defining issues.

Speaker 41 When I was mayor, we dropped, we reduced the street population by third. We reduced the overall population.
Well, it's not a static environment. I wasn't mayor.

Speaker 41 It's been a decade plus a decade and a half. I'm the governor, but I'm not the mayor of California.
And I want to see accountability at every level of government. The state vision is realized locally.

Speaker 41 It is turning. around.

Speaker 41 I still don't go there to offer. Oh, you got to, you got to go.
I go in there. Neighborhoods are thriving in San Francisco.
I'll go in with Romero as my body.

Speaker 41 You got a new mayor, and there she's great. He's pretty

Speaker 41 centrist, isn't he? Yes. And he's cracked down on the tents and the encampments, and you're seeing progress.
We're starting to see that across the world.

Speaker 41 I hope I live long enough to eat in San Francisco again. I mean, come on.

Speaker 41 You love eating in San Francisco. Scomas and the never ate the scomas in my life.
You never did? Okay, I made it up. We should go to dinner in the North Beach restaurant.
We have to.

Speaker 41 Let's go in when you're ready for it. And then I'll tell the story on my podcast.

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Speaker 41 So, Gavin, the homeless thing is the turning point.

Speaker 41 When that man defecated outside the window, that was the beginning of the end of San Francisco for not only for me, but for the whole city, because the cops couldn't do anything about it.

Speaker 41 Their hands were tied by this small band of radical left-wingers who are saying they're sacred. You can't touch them.
Yeah. I mean, look, when I was there, when I was mayor, you may recall this.

Speaker 41 I did a sit-lie ordinance. I did this anti-panhandling ordinance.
I did CareNot Cash, converting welfare checks to services and accountability. We saw real progress.

Speaker 41 I've been very aggressive on encampments, just did a new executive order in the state. And we're flooding the zone with state support in a way we've never done in the past.

Speaker 41 When I got there, Michael, this is important. There was never a governor that actually, there was no homeless plan in the state of California.
There was no support for cities and counties.

Speaker 41 And it felt that way. We had, under Schwarzenegger, it's not a knock on Arnold, but goes back to 2005, we had 188,000 homeless in California.
It's just not new what's happening. No, don't wait.

Speaker 41 It got it metastasized into a cancer. After that, especially during COVID and what's happening,

Speaker 41 we're blaming COVID. But, you know, no civil society would tolerate this, Gavin.
And here's my position on it. And it's something you're not going to like to hear.

Speaker 41 There is a solution to the homeless problem, which is end it.

Speaker 41 You build camps for them. in places outside cities and you give them the care that they need against their will.
You don't let them shoot up in the streets.

Speaker 41 You don't let them defecate or urinate or beat up old women in the streets. You take them off the streets.
Yeah, I agree with focus. I 100% agree broadly with that sediment.

Speaker 41 And in terms of coercion, just so you know, we just did two major reforms. We've had all these old conservatorship laws that are weak.

Speaker 41 We finally have strengthened the conservatorship law so we can begin to get people off the streets.

Speaker 41 We also established a new paradigm called Care Court, which is a whole new strategy to also help in advance to address that subset of people.

Speaker 41 And we did the most significant mental health reforms and investments in state's history.

Speaker 41 Those resources are going out to do regional centers along the lines of what you're suggesting. Taking them against their will.

Speaker 41 A different paradigm of thinking, more supportive care as opposed to substituted care in the vernacular of all the quote-unquote experts.

Speaker 41 And we're trying to make up for this, and you'll appreciate this as a Californian. In 1959, at peak, 1959, California had 37,000 mental health beds.
Today, 5,500

Speaker 41 for

Speaker 41 reopening mental hospitals

Speaker 41 for double the population today. So we had half the population in the late 50s and 60s.
Yes, of course. And we had 37,000.

Speaker 41 So what we're doing, we just did this initiative, Proposition 1, to provide six plus thousand new units that were all throughout the state and we're regionalizing along the lines of what you're saying.

Speaker 41 Mental hospitals, literally.

Speaker 41 Literally, behavioral health, substance abuse, mental health.

Speaker 41 And literally, it's the biggest investments in U.S. history, biggest investments in the US.
But do they have to comply?

Speaker 41 That's what the conservatorship reform, SB 43, was about. That's what our care court is about.

Speaker 41 And we so if a guy defecates outside a restaurant window, a cop in a restroom, send him to one of these facilities.

Speaker 41 They can refer them through the care court. In fact, a police officer, quite literally now, because of my care court, can refer.
In the past, they could not refer that individual.

Speaker 41 Well, I hope it works. Look, we all all have a lot at stake in this state and in this city.
It's why I don't leave, because I still love the state and the city.

Speaker 41 But if it's intolerable, at a certain point, everyone will leave. And businesses are leaving.
It's interesting. Well, Bizon, we have more Fortune 500 companies than any time in the last decade.

Speaker 41 Well, why did they kick SpaceX out? Why would you take... SpaceX is not being kicked out.
Well, they can't launch their rockets because of the Coastal Commission.

Speaker 41 And you saw what did I do? I joined in the law. I literally said I'm with Elon Musk attacking attacking the Coastal Commission.
I couldn't have been, I was very vocal.

Speaker 41 Well, then you were unacceptable. You were a real acceptable.
We had 51 launches last year, which is a record since 1974. Why would you not want a rocket company in California?

Speaker 41 Come on, we have the Mojave Desert, we have Vandenberg, and we have Rocket Beach, which is Long Beach. We're starting to dominate in this space.
I hope so.

Speaker 41 And we have record-breaking launches out of Vandenberg. We're making with relativity, not just Space Act, all of these.
You don't want to go to Mars, do you?

Speaker 41 I'm not personally. I think a lot of people like elon want me to go to mars i don't want reasons i don't even want to go over the bridge

Speaker 41 so let's talk one and we're going to we're out of time but i want to just before we're done i do want to talk about trump and trumpism you have to be pretty proud uh that the issue is a border and language and culture i mean the president just came out uh saying uh you know english is the like the language that's right out of my mantra right i mean this is stuff you've been preaching for decades Okay, Salon magazine, left-wing magazine, a number of years ago when Trump was president, wrote an article called The Father of Trump a Mania.

Speaker 41 And it was about Michael Savage. And it was sort of

Speaker 41 middle ground, wasn't attacking.

Speaker 41 And I was told by one of his chief architects, who I will not mention, shortly after he was elected the first time, he visited me in my home in Florida and he said, Michael, we took all of your books.

Speaker 41 We made talking points. He ran on your platform.

Speaker 41 I said, okay, fine, because I know he was a liberal when he was young in New York. I was a social worker and a Democrat.
So people change.

Speaker 41 One One day you may be a conservative without even knowing it. But no, but Gavin, so yeah, I'm the father of a lot of what he's doing.

Speaker 41 I was honored to see Borders Light, but no one's called me from the White House and said, we want to give you the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Interesting.
We recognize that you did this.

Speaker 41 We think you're great. No one's called me.
Why do you think that's the case? It's interesting because in every political entity, there are politics. I'm not involved.
at all with the in crowd.

Speaker 41 I don't know them.

Speaker 41 You mentioned Charlie Kirk? Yeah. You don't know.
They have all of these CPACs. I've never spoken at any of these events.
I didn't. Think about that.

Speaker 41 You haven't. Do you have the equivalent of a presidential Medal of Freedom in the state of California? Well, we do California Hall of Fame.
Why the way you are in the Radio Hall of Fame?

Speaker 41 I'm in the National Radio Hall of Fame, but why am I? Okay, you know, Gavin. It's by the way, thank you for asking that question.
It's a good question. I should be in it.
I mean,

Speaker 41 you want things to be lit up? You want me to

Speaker 41 build on the highway again? You come and announce you in the California Hall of Fame. That will light things up, Mr.
Savage. But I deserve it.
I came here in 74. Look what I've done in this state.

Speaker 41 No, 20, it's unbelievable. And you haven't left the state.
For a lot of these guys, turn their back on California as they're attacking it. You haven't.
So I admire that. I do.
I mean, that's.

Speaker 41 Well, I don't have to agree with you, nor you with me for us to sit and have a civilized conversation. It's the only way we're going to solve the problems of the state and the country.

Speaker 41 And I feel the same thing about the country itself. The left and the right are at each other's throats.
They hate each other.

Speaker 41 And they would like me to have been on this podcast and be screaming and yelling like a foaming idiot. We get nowhere with that.
It's idiotic.

Speaker 41 Yeah, and no, and the whole point of this is not to have those conversations because those I can hear 24-7 on Spotify. It's bad for my health, number one, and I don't feel that that gets us anywhere.

Speaker 41 But before we leave, you brought up Trump and the Borders Language Culture, and then you brought up the things, you know, I have to thank you for

Speaker 41 the Bancroft Library and the Jepson Herbarium. I think this should be in your podcast because people say, why are you so nice to Gavin Newsome? Well, I'm not that nice to Gavin Newsome.

Speaker 41 I just don't go out of my way to insult people just for the sake of sounding like an idiot. So a lot of people do.
Okay, I reached out to you about five years ago.

Speaker 41 And I said that I have the University of Texas is interested in collecting all of my writings, all of my manuscripts, my journals. And I said they really naturally belong here in California.

Speaker 41 And you reached out and through the chain, the Bancroft Library came back to me. And they spent two years with me in my archives, taking all of my correspondence, my writings.

Speaker 41 And, you know, they have the largest collection of Mark Twain papers in the world. Amazing.

Speaker 41 And I said to the librarian, who's a lovely lady, I said, don't you feel a little uncomfortable that I'm so-called a conservative? She said, Michael, we're not here to judge politics.

Speaker 41 We have conservative authors who are Californians, liberal authors who are Californians. And she said, you have done so much in your life.
She said, you have three phases.

Speaker 41 You're a poet and a novelist. Then you were a botanist and a nutrition writer.
Then you're a payment political writer. And she said, we need that in our library.

Speaker 41 And then I have a collection of medicinal plants, plants, Gavin. They're in the Jepson Herbarium.
They're in seven herbaria around the world. Jepson is one.

Speaker 41 These are the plants I collected, medicinal plants. You know where else they are? Where? Moscow Herbarium.
I've never been there.

Speaker 41 Kew Gardens, London, New York Botanical Garden, Chicago Herbarium, and the Honolulu Bishop Museum. So we have a rare collection of all my collections in the Jepson Herbarium.

Speaker 41 Again, this is for scientists to look at for ages. And it's here.
And I want to thank you for opening the doors because another another governor just said, you know, go pound sand. I'm not interested.

Speaker 41 No, I appreciate it. And it was an honor to be however helpful.
I don't know how much helpful are you. I mean, this was on all of it,

Speaker 41 on the merits, substantively, in everyone doing the right thing. But when they don't do the right thing, I call it out.
I can't stand cancel culture. I love free speech.

Speaker 41 I can't stand when someone, people, I remember Bill Maher was going to Berkeley or something, and they said, Bill's too conservative. It was too controversial.
I've never liked that.

Speaker 41 Called it out then. We'll continue to.
So I don't think anyone served in that respect. All these banning and cultural purges that people have been on are.
I don't believe in the Mao cultural.

Speaker 41 No, I think a lot of people assign and attach those points of view to me. But let me ask you in closing.
Oh, are you putting me in the California Hall of Fame?

Speaker 41 You're going to put me on the spot. By the way,

Speaker 41 you just made the most compelling case you possibly could have for the multidimensionality here. There are people in that Hall of Fame that have done basically one simple thing.

Speaker 41 And here you are, 29 books, best-selling books across a spectrum of issues. Plant collector.
Decade statehead.

Speaker 41 Novelist. I know.

Speaker 41 And you were banned from the UK. Oh, yeah.
And you know that. They called you, what, propaganda of hate or something? What was the exact phrase?

Speaker 41 I'm the only American author banned in Britain

Speaker 41 for things I didn't even say.

Speaker 41 It was a terrible, terrible thing to do to me. And I woke up that morning, I saw it on the Drudge Report at the time, and I said, oh my God, I'm banned in England.

Speaker 41 So I went on the radio show and I I said, God, there goes the great cuisine that they're known for in my dental care that I was looking forward to. So everyone loved that line.

Speaker 41 But I think it's a terrible thing to do to me because, first of all, I didn't say the things they said I said. Secondly, I spent $400,000 to try to get my name off the list and I've did not succeed.

Speaker 41 I gave up. I don't even care.
Still on it? Yeah, I can't go to England. To this day.
I cannot enter England. The land of the free.

Speaker 41 The land of the Magna Carta does not let Michael Savage in, but they let jihadists run around around screaming, kill the queen.

Speaker 41 I'm not going to argue with you. Do you know Starmer? I don't know.
I think we may have to go to the next one.

Speaker 41 Have you met Starmer? We'll have to bring it up. We'll have to bring it up.

Speaker 41 Let me ask you.

Speaker 41 Get me off the list. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 41 If you were going to list, speaking of lists, you know, Democrats, if they're not trying to figure out what the hell just happened,

Speaker 41 they sure as hell should. Right.
So I'm serious about this.

Speaker 41 I'm not asking for sort of a flippant,

Speaker 41 it's not a flippant question, I mean, certainly not patronizing, but what the hell do you think our party needs to do? And what's the biggest lesson? Seriously,

Speaker 41 are you really serious? Michael Savage, we need to know

Speaker 41 your advice to the Democratic Party. Was it because we're too woke? Because we didn't focus on borders?

Speaker 41 I mean, is it

Speaker 41 what is

Speaker 41 really straightforward? What is it? It is borders, language, and culture. And the thing that triggered most of the people who turned against the Democrat Party

Speaker 41 was this incessant drumbeat going back years,

Speaker 41 vilifying the white male. White supremacy, white supremacy, white.
Remember that? That became a mantra of the Democrat Party.

Speaker 41 They took all the working-class white guys and said, what the fuck you, basically, pardon me.

Speaker 41 What are you doing, man? We work.

Speaker 41 are also citizens. Why are you turning us into Hitlers? Because, you know, so that's what was one thing.
Then the illegals getting free care, and then the illegals voting in some municipal elections.

Speaker 41 But the big thing was the women. When you had people with the

Speaker 41 right or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 41 The whole trans issue triggered the women who were normally liberal. But when you have kids being brainwashed in school to accept that stuff in little into kindergarten, hey, I'm a sexual libertarian.

Speaker 41 I want to be very clear. Okay.
I really don't care what people do to make themselves happy. Okay.
That's not my business. Life's very hard.
If you can be happy with someone, God bless you.

Speaker 41 But leave the kids alone. That's the whole point.
And when you start crossing that line into the schools, you're going to see what happened. That's what just happened.

Speaker 41 It was the women and the schools, I think, Gavin. Interesting.
So, I mean,

Speaker 41 the trans issue, you thought, I mean, that was the same thing.

Speaker 41 It was the children issue.

Speaker 41 It wasn't the trans, no one's against. So it was the gender assignment surgeries

Speaker 41 for these minors. Yes.

Speaker 41 Where we felt our party was complicit in terms of creating those conditions. I think so.
Promoting it to some degree, you would argue. I wouldn't even even go there.

Speaker 41 I would say that the people had had enough. Yeah, there were so many more important issues.
God, faith, and reason. I mean, there is a spirit.
We didn't even get, let's do another podcast in a month.

Speaker 41 I know. Talk about God.
And which is a big part of your life, faith. People don't know that.
Big part. I pray every day.
And have for decades.

Speaker 41 You have, and you are, you're, by the way, and then we're going to close on this. You are ascending to a unique status.
Shocking, isn't it? Well, no. I mean, tell us about it.

Speaker 41 The president of a local Jewish community

Speaker 41 from a very orthodox group of Jewish people, the guys that wear black, the black hat people, they like me. And I say to them, I'm not that religious.

Speaker 41 Why do you want me to become reaching out to the community? They said, you're more religious than us in some ways.

Speaker 41 They watch my podcasts and they don't watch the media. They know that there's a spiritual element to Michael that's palpable, that emanates, and they like it.
It's that simple.

Speaker 41 But does that mean I'm holier than anyone?

Speaker 41 I am such a fallen angel, Gavin.

Speaker 41 Well, it's good to be with another fallen angel.

Speaker 41 I'll reach across the aisle on that one. It's great to have you, Michael Savage.
Thanks for being here with us.

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