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Speaker 12 What you mentioned, Ted, Netflix. I mean, it's a whole streaming thing.

Speaker 12 But now it's interesting. You're kind of back a little bit, the sort of Disney Hulu FX

Speaker 12 thing. I mean, where's you said Hollywood's going younger? I mean, is that a time of life or is that a state of mind? What do you mean younger? It's always, isn't it been a youth?

Speaker 12 I mean, what's what's what's your journey here since 89? I mean, where are we in terms?

Speaker 12 And we'll get into tax credits, competitiveness in a minute, but I'm just curious, just what you meant by youth and younger people, what streaming means to you?

Speaker 12 What's sort of, what's the state of play from that perspective? Because you've seen every damn side of this. You've been part of every side of this.

Speaker 12 It's interesting because, you know, I've kind of been at this now since 1998 was my first show.

Speaker 12 Popular. Yeah.

Speaker 12 It was a very cult show. It ran two years.

Speaker 12 Leslie Bibb, who was on White Lotus, was one of her first starring roles. Interesting.

Speaker 12 So I've been through a lot of different changes, you know, like that

Speaker 12 2000 to

Speaker 12 2013 14 was very like prestige push-it as much sex and blood and gore and and you know it was like the it was like the the period of the of the white male anti-hero you know if you look at it the sopranos madmen these were the things that were very popular yeah

Speaker 12 and then i think there's the obama section that sort of started 2012 that went through 2017 and that's i think you know more

Speaker 12 female programming, more progressive programming. Glee certainly falls into that.
American Horror Story certainly falls into that. The Normal Heart, which I did.

Speaker 12 And now, and then what happened was there was the streaming wars began, you know.

Speaker 12 That really started in 2016.

Speaker 12 Were you anxious at the time about that? You were like, this is the end of the world. No, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Yeah, well, for you personally.

Speaker 12 Well, I think for everybody, because what happened was, you know, literally production doubled overnight. And there was a lot of new young voices that were able to get things made.

Speaker 12 For example, you know, I did Pose during that time. That never would have been on the air five years before then or even now, I don't think.
Interesting.

Speaker 12 But then what happened was COVID and

Speaker 12 the strikes. And now it's really hard for young people to,

Speaker 12 I think, get things on the air. It's really hard for different points of view.

Speaker 12 I think we're in almost like a Victorian age, which is a, it's a reaction to COVID and perhaps the two Trump presidencies where

Speaker 12 I'm finding it very interesting. Like what you're saying is people don't want anything too pushed.
They're freaked out enough about their lives. So

Speaker 12 also

Speaker 12 Gen Z is very pearl clutching. They're much more like sort of, they don't like a lot of things that are in their face.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 They don't date as much. They don't socialize as much.
Crazy. And they don't, you know, it's a very cautious generation.
So, but, you know, the state of the business is really, really bad right now.

Speaker 12 And I'm lucky in that I,

Speaker 12 you know, I went back with my

Speaker 12 great friend Dana Walden.

Speaker 12 But I really never left because I was doing all my shows, you know, that was part of my deal. I was lucky.
I kind of had, I got to keep my legacy shows and go try new things at Netflix.

Speaker 12 So I went back to

Speaker 12 Disney, Fox, and then I continue my monster show. So I kind of, I respect everybody, but you know, I'm really excited.

Speaker 12 It always takes me a while with a while with a new deal to figure out what I'm going to do.

Speaker 12 But I think the stuff that I have coming up is like very four-quadrant, very mainstream. Interesting.

Speaker 12 And I'm doing what I've never done before, where I go through every minute of the show and I'm like, how do I make this for everybody? How do I not, you know, alienate people? And so

Speaker 12 the

Speaker 12 pearl-clutching, Victorian,

Speaker 12 is this sort of the anti-woke pushback? Is it the sort of anti-DEI you've been, you know, LGBTQ? What, I mean, what, is it just, is it in that space that you're referring to? No. Is it a title?

Speaker 12 I just think it's cultural taste. Like, for example, without naming the show, a friend of mine.

Speaker 12 does his show and it started off and it got really great reviews. And in the first,

Speaker 12 you know, they did a test of it in the first 15 minutes of the show.

Speaker 12 It's a PG-rated comedy. There was a very sexualized situation where you saw nothing, but it was hinted at and the dials went

Speaker 12 and they lost 20% of the audience

Speaker 12 in 30 seconds because of a joke. Like that never used to happen.

Speaker 12 And I just think that it's culturally people are,

Speaker 12 I don't know. Again,

Speaker 12 I say that, but again, I think people want their comedies and their dramas soft, but they also like their true crime shows. Clearly.

Speaker 12 Like they want to be able to pick, okay, this is my mood and this is my level of anxiety, which is, there's not a lot of blending of genres, which I think used to happen more. Interesting.

Speaker 12 And I do think, you know, young people are not as,

Speaker 12 there's always the reaction, you know. I came up of age right after the, you know, the Reagan years.
So that was the period of Madonna.

Speaker 12 If you look when I was a kid, she was so popular, I think, because she was tapping into rebellion.

Speaker 12 Now the rebellion is, how do you rebel? You become quieter and you're like,

Speaker 12 it's a softer,

Speaker 12 more emotional, introverted group of people. But I do think there's also a big changing of the guard right now.
You know, like

Speaker 12 there's young voices. fighting to get stuff on and I think it used to be 10 of them would but now one of them will

Speaker 12 but that one could be you know a Spielberg who could completely change the game and people will follow that person I can feel that I can feel a lot of young people chomping and I feel culturally things are shifting

Speaker 12 you

Speaker 12 get another 20 years of this in you

Speaker 12 that's interesting you know what probably yeah love that I really I always I wasn't talking about like I have a farm yeah

Speaker 12 and I've state New York I've always seen you as a farm guy well I'm from Indiana. So you know you're an Indiana guy.
I grew up

Speaker 12 in the back of a, like, I shucked corn. Like, I, I, I know.
I mean, we found out. I mean, you're an athlete, so that's most important.
You didn't know that, did you? No, I love Mr. Choir guy.
Jeez.

Speaker 12 Um, yeah, I don't know. So I'm like, do I just farmer? Do I do I hang it up and make sure you're doing it?

Speaker 12 You couldn't even handle that. You couldn't hang it out on a farm all day.
Well, I love growing there. I understand that, but every day, seriously, no, but you're right.

Speaker 12 I probably can't because I like, you know, I like show business and I like, I like creation. It's like, I like the making of new things and I like putting people together and

Speaker 12 I love my job.

Speaker 12 And, you know, my great idol, Norman Lear,

Speaker 12 he worked until his late 90s, which is an amazing thing. It is incredible.
I think he probably worked three or four hours a day, but what are three or four hours, you know?

Speaker 12 But the thing about Norman that I marveled at was he was eternally curious and young people. Yeah, love that.

Speaker 12 he want like he sought me out when i had my first big hit and i got just to pick your brain just to get to know you he i got a call out of the blue yeah and it was from norman leer and i'm like this is not norman lear because you know i grew up watching of course you know i was six when all in the family came out but i grew up with that show yeah and i was like this is no way he's calling me and he i picked up the phone i was like who who is this really and he goes hey kid i hear you're the new me

Speaker 12 and i was like wow really and then I had dinner with him and he would give me great advice and the thing I love the most about him is he would call during disappointments like he called me when the new normal was canceled nice and he was like every every failure is I think he said like something like every failure is a new open door you can walk through love it best The best.

Speaker 12 And I recently at auction, I bought one of Norman's Ed Roche paintings, and the painting simply says truth. Yeah.

Speaker 12 And so I like, I like, you know, the Menendez of it all. I like talking about my points of view and things that are truthful to me.
I love that. And I'm like, why would I stop?

Speaker 12 If I can keep my health, you know?

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Speaker 12 What is the state of play out here? I mean, we did, we doubled the, we more than doubled the film tax credit. We needed to do that.
Seems the industry is on life support out here.

Speaker 12 The world we invented is competing against us globally, not just other states, which I think we fully don't, a lot of us don't fully appreciate what's happening overseas

Speaker 12 in particular.

Speaker 12 What more do we need to do? A lot more, I know tax credit's still not sufficient.

Speaker 12 But what's your sense of where

Speaker 12 Hollywood, broadly described or defined, will be in a decade if

Speaker 12 what doesn't happen?

Speaker 12 Well, you know, another changing of the guard to answer that question is, you know, Hollywood used to be Hollywood. You know, it was a dream place.

Speaker 12 Not that it isn't now, but Hollywood, for the most part, is without exception a tech business.

Speaker 12 And it is thus much more of a bottom line business. There's no, there's, There's no more of that sort of you scratch, you know, you can have two bombs, but if you give me a hit, we're good.

Speaker 12 Like it's that, that's over.

Speaker 12 So it is a tech-controlled landscape. Many good things have come of that, I think.

Speaker 12 But I'll tell you a story. Like I make between six and eight things a year.
And I was walking through. Proving it's not once a quarter, but anyway, I'll go back to that.
There's such bullshit.

Speaker 12 But some of these I don't run. I guess once a quarter I can can say my new things that are not astounding.

Speaker 12 Come on, yeah. And I was walking some of the lots to look for stage space, and I was astonished at how is crickets

Speaker 12 like 80% vacancies.

Speaker 12 People that I have grown up with who run these lots walking out with tears in their eyes, please come here.

Speaker 12 And I think the problem is,

Speaker 12 you know, if you're

Speaker 12 wanting to shoot in California and there's five other states that will give you

Speaker 12 better tax credits and now there's only one so we're one and a half well okay but for a while we were five I agree and I used to you know and I'm very lucky in that I have enough clout where I could say no I'm shooting this here right like I will I'm shooting this here yeah so you know the thing that I've also been astonished with that's a new feeling like I was directing All's Fair recently, my Kim show, and I had so many, this is right after the fires, and I had so many crew members come up with tears in their eyes thanking me for staying in California.

Speaker 12 Because the problem is so many people have left. And

Speaker 12 what has happened is they leave their families. And I know three people on my cruise who are currently going through divorces because their families were broken up and they had to leave for work.

Speaker 12 And also.

Speaker 12 It's very, very difficult because you think of like generationally,

Speaker 12 it's very easy for people in their 20s and 30s to pick pick up and go to Georgia. Of course.
But if you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s, we're losing a whole generation of talent that cannot do that.

Speaker 12 So they cannot go to where the work is. So I find it heartbreaking.
And I do admire and commend you for what you have done,

Speaker 12 which is great. But I think that the more we could do, because it's,

Speaker 12 you know, Hollywood is... more than just a state of mind.
It's a California legacy. 100%.

Speaker 12 You know, it really is. And it's a worldwide legacy.
And I think you and I before this were talking about San Francisco.

Speaker 12 Like two years ago, I remember having a conversation with you saying, what the hell is happening with San Francisco?

Speaker 12 But in a recent trip, it's astonishing at how things can turn around and how

Speaker 12 that's like AI money, I think, and a lot of tech stuff. But I have great...
I have great hope and I commend you, but I say keep fighting the good fight because we need you.

Speaker 12 This town needs you to do more. Yeah, and

Speaker 12 what I'm seeing is it's just not individuals, it's families that are depending upon it. Like, that's the thing that I never really put two and two together.

Speaker 12 Like, if you're a young family, and dad or mom has to leave for four months, five months, what do you do? That's that's really difficult morally, spiritually.

Speaker 12 So, anything we can do to increase reasons why tech companies have a reason to say, okay, we'll keep that show here. That's right.

Speaker 12 And I'm very lucky this fall, like I have two things shooting and I demanded that they both shoot here. Now you're talking.

Speaker 12 Keeping

Speaker 12 people together and keeping my crews together. That's a very,

Speaker 12 and I'm thinking about that more and more and more. And because of the work that you've done, it's become easier for me.
No, good.

Speaker 12 But, you know, there's different things about the incentives that are very hard too, like out of boundary, like, you know, stuff like that that we should take out. It's hard.
No, and

Speaker 12 the lottery system is also

Speaker 12 fixing. And we've, we fixed, I mean, so we went from $330 million, $750 million.
And so the key was in a challenging sort of environment, political environment, to at least lock that in.

Speaker 12 Now we can start to unpack. how within that framework, we can be more competitive and make the adjustments.
We've made a few, but we've got more that obviously need to be done in that space.

Speaker 12 But I mean, I really admire what you're doing. I don't know any politician that I've met in my lifetime who's gone through so much adversity from, I mean, everything from.

Speaker 12 Not much has happened in the last six years.

Speaker 12 What are you talking about, Ryan? What are you talking about? I mean, I admire what you've done. And I know that you, like, you've also inherited many messes.
God bless you.

Speaker 12 So I acknowledge your work and I say keep doing it because people

Speaker 12 are so appreciative for what you recently have done. And anything else you could do.
I'm here as an advocate for my company town. But

Speaker 12 I think how you've turned things around in many areas is commendable. You're my long-term friend, and I say keep doing it.
I appreciate it. Keep helping us.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 12 Before I let you go, before I let you go back to your kids or your farm. My farm.
Okay. Let's stress test that.

Speaker 12 I mean,

Speaker 12 what are the little scribbles on your little notepad? That little, you know, the thing that's... Like you're looking four years from now.
You're like, oh, you just wait. I've got a project.

Speaker 12 I've got, so I know you can't say anything, but is it like a. Oh, yeah, I can say.
Oh, good. What do you got? Bring it on then.
Well, you know, it's interesting because

Speaker 12 my life is,

Speaker 12 I'm already working. Like, I don't even know if I'm here in this room because I'm like working a year ahead, right?

Speaker 12 It was funny. I heard an interview with Taylor Swift where she said the same thing.
I was like, oh, I really relate to this. Like,

Speaker 12 I'm already planning my releases for 2027. 27.
2027. And we just talked about JFK Junior.
That comes out

Speaker 12 26. So I'm really sort of plotting.
Wow.

Speaker 12 And I have two goals, to be honest. One of which is to keep as many of my shows in California as possible, which is why I'm glad to be here today.
Well done. And I want to do

Speaker 12 a vampire show, which I've never done. Vampire.
So you did a little sci-fi. Now we're on the vampires.

Speaker 12 I mean, I've had vampires in my work, like, you know, American Horror Story Lady Gaga famously played one.

Speaker 12 I want to do that, and I want to do

Speaker 12 a movie about faith. I'm working on

Speaker 12 one of my great friends is Didi Gardner, who runs Plan B, Brad Pitt's Company. Yeah, yeah.
And she and I are working on a faith-based movie that kind of puts me in touch with my altar boy days.

Speaker 12 Look at that. Which people would never think of me

Speaker 12 doing. But I want to do, like you said,

Speaker 12 I want to do something optimistic and nice about perseverance and forgiveness.

Speaker 12 And so I'm working on those things.

Speaker 12 I mean, vampires and you know, religion. Vampires and faith.
It was obviously. Well, that's the secret of my career.
Do the opposite of what you just did.

Speaker 12 That's always what I've done. And if you look at my year rollout, it's everything is the opposite of the thing that came before it, you know.

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Speaker 12 What are the big sports ones you're going to do? You know, I just did one. I did the Aaron Hernandez story, which is an American sports story.

Speaker 12 Forgive me for kidding. Of course.
Come on, of course it would be Aaron Hernandez. Of course.

Speaker 12 I don't know that I'll be

Speaker 12 like if you ask me. I don't know.
You're talking big game about your sports. I mean, I'm just trying to connect your

Speaker 12 story.

Speaker 12 My sports thing is my oldest child, who is 12 wants to be Tom Brady, right? He's a big

Speaker 12 number 12. Yeah, he's a big footballer.

Speaker 12 Yeah. You see you got Giselle and Brady in your back of your mind.
Of course you do. That's right.
That's what I'm doing. Of course you do.
I'm not surprised. Do you know him?

Speaker 12 I mean, yeah, I met him a few times. He seems really cool.
See, I mean, he's too perfect. So I'm kind of living my sports.

Speaker 12 I'm starting to read his blog every week now. He's got a new blog, Tom Brady, every Monday.
It's fantastic. Was it like healthy? Like everything he does is fantastic.

Speaker 12 It's upsetting, actually, in a certain way. What do you mean? No, it's just a really well-researched and written blog he does every week, which is motivating.
It's contemporary.

Speaker 12 It's about health. It's about relationships.
His relationship to what he's doing. It's fresh.
It's very thoughtful. Yeah.
It's excellent. It's like it's just interesting.
Do you use his products?

Speaker 12 I haven't. It's interesting.
I've started to notice a few of them started to get promoted. So like

Speaker 12 your life, this is my last question for you, as high-pressured as you are. And like, what is your secret for keeping it all together? Like, what is it?

Speaker 12 I'm going to answer that. What's your, do you have a morning routine? Does Ryan?

Speaker 12 I do. My morning routine is I get up and I have coffee and no one is allowed to talk to me.
Like what? You just, you're that guy. I have an hour of like quiet reading, meditation.
I'm really cranky.

Speaker 12 You just and I try and do some. But the kids know how to avoid you or do you, I mean, they just avoid me.
I go to a room. Yeah, they can't get me.
Yeah, you're lost. I mean, anybody can get me.

Speaker 12 Like, if you have kids, you know, they can always find you. As long as they have new devices, they don't need you.
But I try and do some like movement, you know? What do you mean, movement?

Speaker 12 I try and move. I try and go on a walk.
I try and get on a treadmill.

Speaker 12 i try and walk around you know and that's part of my apple watch i count my steps i'm very conscious of that cup of coffee what are you eating every morning i eat the same boring ass what do you say i am a person of tradition i have a vegan protein smoothie that has eight fruits in it

Speaker 12 i love that and then i have throughout the day four to six vegetables so wow i i really work hard on that that's fantastic yeah like i get a gold medal right like i work

Speaker 12 but it's it's a practice. Like, you got to work at it, and it's not fun.
It's not? You don't enjoy it? You don't enjoy it. I enjoy the tradition of it.

Speaker 12 It's fine. It's not that fun.
It's purple. It looks like blueberries.
What do you miss? You miss like bacon and eggs from the back of the bacon. Pancakes.
Yeah, pancakes. But like, what do you do?

Speaker 12 What do you, what's your smoothie?

Speaker 12 I'm the same thing. I do a smoothie every day.
And you're a big exercise guy. I'm a little bit.
Three, four days a week. Yeah.
Nothing exciting.

Speaker 12 But no, it's the fruit.

Speaker 12 I'm religious about it for years and years and years. But I love it.

Speaker 12 Like, I can't can't even imagine not having smoothie or just fruit until, and I say noon, whenever, 11.30. You were like a big dinner guy.
That's all I care about. Yeah, me too.
I live for it. Me too.

Speaker 12 I live for dinner. And I'm in the middle of like a hideous 90-day cleanse.
Why are you doing that? Because I just came back from vacation and I was like, this is gross. Like, you know, it was.

Speaker 12 Is this vacation supposed to be the... Yeah, but I just felt it was too much.
And I'm like, I want to just spend the summer being one with the solstice and try and get some healthy thing, you know?

Speaker 12 So an hour of sort of

Speaker 12 just you time. Me time.

Speaker 12 And that could also be reading or I stay up late, you know, like you do. So I like to review what I'm getting ready to present to people.

Speaker 12 Because it's like being a public, it's like being a public speaker. You walk into a room and I have people who are taking notes and I perform the parts.

Speaker 12 My job is to have people heading in the same direction. And I've become better at it, I think, in the past year.
Are you a better business person than you've ever been before? Or are you still a

Speaker 12 creative person?

Speaker 12 I always used to think I was a lousy business person, but then one day one of my agents said,

Speaker 12 you know, you're really smart at business. And I was like, what?

Speaker 12 You know, I was like, I'm just like a creative person, like a dumb artist, but I, but I, I, I make it a daily practice. And if I don't make my business a daily practice, I feel bad.
I feel guilty.

Speaker 12 You know? But I'm also like, I'm kind of insane. I have a very, I love collecting art.
Like, I love the, I love that kind of stuff. It's a, I love that, you know.

Speaker 12 Aesthetic design. It's my favorite thing.
That's my hobby, design and art. That's how I, like, I, I work on a lot of projects like that.

Speaker 12 I think in another life, I would be a landscape designer or something because I love that.

Speaker 12 I'm very odd.

Speaker 12 But like, it's producing. I'm producing.
I have a vision.

Speaker 12 I love bringing people together to fight as you do the same fight. It's almost like being a television showrunner is almost like being a governor.

Speaker 12 It's the same thing. It's exactly the same thing.
There's an opening about 18 months. I'm just saying.
Can you imagine me as the governor?

Speaker 12 You have a point of view. I don't know.

Speaker 12 Not so bad. What do you think? I don't know if I can.
It's a good dig.

Speaker 12 Let me ask you, what are you going to do next? I don't know. I just, you know, this production writing.
You looked down when you you said that, by the way. This production writing thing.

Speaker 12 We should flip like Freaky Friday.

Speaker 12 I've got a lot of ideas.

Speaker 12 A lot of ideas. I've been told you're pitching you.
You could run a studio. You have the glamour to run a studio.
You could. Jesus.
Would you ever want to? I just need a pair of sunglasses.

Speaker 12 What do you need down here? What do you do?

Speaker 12 You need a point of view. You need a point of view.
And you also need to be able to lead.

Speaker 12 Love that. Yeah.
That's it.

Speaker 12 People want to be led, man. You did notice.

Speaker 12 You did notice I looked down.

Speaker 12 It is impressive. Yeah.
I am very self-conscious now.

Speaker 12 Why can't you talk openly about your future and what you want? Is there some day where that will happen? I mean, I'm not uncomfortable. I'm just moving around.
You're very uncomfortable.

Speaker 12 Fidgety. Look at me.
I haven't moved once. I'm sweating now.
Jesus.

Speaker 12 Is there a day where you have given yourself to make a decision about your future without a future? Well, there's no date. I mean,

Speaker 12 life evolves. You know how it works.

Speaker 12 You want space. It's not a linear.
It's a very hard time to be doing what you're doing. Yeah, it's different.

Speaker 12 I mean, it's, yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of, I mean, this has gotten serious, very serious, what's going on in DC.

Speaker 12 And what's going on here? I mean, you got 5,000 military in the U.S. City.
You know, he didn't send military overseas, sent them here in the United States. Do you ever speak to him?

Speaker 12 Privately? Yep. Yeah, because I remember you two having, from what I always heard from you and from people close to him, that you had a very nice relationship.

Speaker 12 Yeah, 90 minutes in the Oval Office a few months ago. We had a really good conversation.
And then eight hours later, tweets out new scum and then federalizes the National Guard.

Speaker 12 It's a hell of a thing. Of course, no one worked with him more closely as a governor, a Democratic governor, than I did during COVID.
Yeah. And it, you know, it was extraordinarily collaborative.

Speaker 12 So it's my mindset is open hand, not a closed fist. But what he's doing now is to evandalize this country and this democracy and just,

Speaker 12 you know, people out on the streets just going about their day and folks in masks humming up unmarked cars. This is different.
This is different. So,

Speaker 12 you know, when you run for governor, we can talk about some strategies that I think may work. You can run my campaign.
Can you imagine? I'm going to run your campaign. I'm going to do the creative.

Speaker 12 And I'm going to come up. We're going to come up with a slogan.
I don't know. But I want this.
I think this faith thing could work and it may help. So I need this to come out before the faith.
Well,

Speaker 12 right? I'm shocked myself. Vampire thing, I may want to push back the production schedule.
We'll talk about faith. I'm only going to talk about reconciliation.

Speaker 12 I'm only going to send you copies of my shows that are literally the sweetest, kindest. I just, no more.
I don't need people in refrigerators, half-bottom bodies. Come on, man.

Speaker 12 You may know, but the world does.

Speaker 12 The world wants it. Deal with it.

Speaker 12 Listen. I may call you in August.
But before this Menendez.

Speaker 12 I do things like that. It's not about the thing in the refrigerator.
It's a question of why is it in the refrigerator?

Speaker 12 What happened to somebody? Yeah.

Speaker 12 No, I get it.

Speaker 12 It's, you know,

Speaker 12 this is what makes you qualify to be actually governor. It's a human condition.
It does sound like the same job. But sincerely, like, literally, what is the motivation, the why?

Speaker 12 What's the sort of the essence of the why? Right. That's important.
Politicians don't, that they don't explore that. Well, that brings us back to the Menendez parole.

Speaker 12 It's the same thing. Should I watch it before I make the decision? No.
I don't want to. You shouldn't.
I'm not going to. And I admire you for your daughter not co-opting you into watching.

Speaker 12 Did she watch it? Yeah. They watched it.
And it's they, because there's a few of them, not just one daughter. I mean, I've, they, yeah, come on.
It was, this was a cultural phenomenon. Yes.
Took off.

Speaker 12 I mean, they had to be in the know when they went to school. People, the kids, other kids were talking talking about it.
And remarkable. Like, I've not experienced that.

Speaker 12 Well, I've not experienced that as a father, obviously, and not in the position I'm in where there's real accountability on it.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, you know, on the positive side, the very idea that it would launch a conversation with your kids is not a bad thing. No, it's great.

Speaker 12 And I love that they're, and I also have a point of view. They have a point of view and allowed me to explain how this all works.

Speaker 12 I mean, the idea you're talking about with the parole system, commutations, re-sentencing,

Speaker 12 what youth offenders under the age of 26 and special dispensation that's offered to youth offenders.

Speaker 12 And you're talking about your 12, 13-year-old kids is a hell of a thing. So in many ways, it was great educational.
It's been a great educational process. Yeah, I can see that.
I hear that.

Speaker 12 I feel that.

Speaker 12 I mean, I get so many young people who write me about it. But I guess we'll talk at the end of August.
I'm going to talk about it when we launch your campaign for governor of California.

Speaker 12 You have to resign and then run my campaign. I would be the worst.
I could never do that. I'm not convinced.
I can't even run for mayor of West Hollywood. I can't even do that.
I would be too nervous.

Speaker 12 I mean, you got a farming background. We got the faith.
I mean, everything about this. Maybe I should pray and plant vegetables instead.

Speaker 12 Thank you for having me.

Speaker 12 It was very fun. Thank you.
Great to see you.

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