E528 Dermot Kennedy

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Speaker 1 Today's guest is a singer-songwriter out of Ireland.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Ireland is one of the most

Speaker 1 beautiful and complex and simple places all at the same time. A wonderful time that I had there recently.
I'm really grateful to spend time with him.

Speaker 1 I've been a fan for years and we've been in touch for years and glad to make this happen.

Speaker 1 He has had hits like Paradise and Kiss Me, amongst many others. I got to see him play last night here in Nashville, Tennessee.
Today's guest is my friend, Dermot Kennedy.

Speaker 1 And I will find a song I will stay and hope just for me

Speaker 1 Kiss me the way

Speaker 3 sorry no, it's okay. I didn't mean I meant

Speaker 3 I meant that for me. Oh yeah

Speaker 3 I like that you did it

Speaker 1 Dude, yeah, listen. I think after like the first song last night I was I leaned over to your, I was like, God, dude, I might be gay, dude.
I was like, this is really awesome, man.

Speaker 3 It felt so serious. Like I was saying to you afterwards, it felt like a very serious show.
When I play a headline show, we've got moments that are down and somber and the moments that are fun and up.

Speaker 3 But when I do a show like that, like the Bluebird last night, it's quite, you know, it stays serious. And I haven't done that in a long time.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I think crowds sometimes want both. So I would worry while I'm doing it if people are kind of like, this is a lot of seriousness, you know?

Speaker 1 Like it feels serious, yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, which it should be. I take it seriously, but it's just like, I think sometimes you need relief.
But I think then as well,

Speaker 3 I like having funny moments in between songs talking to people because I don't take life very seriously, but I take the songs very seriously. Ah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. When you like got into the songs, you were at Bluebird Cafe last night for our listeners, and that's a small venue in Nashville.
And it's probably, I mean, it may seat 60.

Speaker 3 Yeah, if even. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I mean, we were sitting, I was in the second row and I was five feet

Speaker 1 from

Speaker 1 Gabe Simon, who was playing with you, accompanying you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like, I could have done a couple notes. I could have.

Speaker 3 You could have. You should have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I could have chimed. Literally, I could have chimed in.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it would have been nice. It would have been a very welcome thing, I think.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it was captivating, man. It was so incredible.
I was like, yeah, it felt so intense in there at moments.

Speaker 3 You know, you could see everybody going through like, I mean, I was going through like the history of like relationships and like i felt bad like after one song i was like i gotta text this one gal yeah yeah yeah well we spend so little you know i think we kind of in daily life we go through the motions and i think i would like to think moments like that maybe put you in a spot where you think about life and just assess things a little bit you know i uh like that's what it does for me i i don't know who i'd be without it you know what i mean i think sometimes in terms of the therapy and catharsis i get from it i think i take it for granted 100 I don't know who I'd be without that outlet.

Speaker 3 Do you know what I mean? And I find it difficult. Sometimes it's tricky.
Like last night, start of the show, I loved it. End of the show, I was feeling good.

Speaker 3 In the middle of the show, I kind of went within myself for some reason. But

Speaker 3 yeah, I think I'd be a much worse person if I had all that emotion kind of bottled up, you know?

Speaker 1 Are the Irish notorious for like struggling to show emotion or something?

Speaker 3 I think there's definitely issues in terms of

Speaker 3 like men in particular.

Speaker 3 I think think in terms of not opening up to people i think it's something that's improving constantly but uh but definitely and i think i mean it's no surprise that ireland has a rich history in the arts because that's how it comes out you know what i mean authors actors musicians everything yeah man it was it was crazy dude it was like i went through it all yeah you know i was sitting there i was like i even i got home and i texted an ex-girlfriend i was like i think i owe you a call you know that's a nice thing right no it was good and and yeah i'm glad i did you know

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a lot of ballads there.

Speaker 3 I know, yeah. I was thinking where you...

Speaker 1 And it's because you don't have all the instrumental. Like, I've listened to your albums where it's like you have the whole, and some of those are upbeat songs and it's different.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you're playing them just right there for everybody.

Speaker 3 Totally. But even like how you frame something is so important.
Like I even laughed when you were singing Kiss Me There a minute ago because

Speaker 3 that to me is one of the best songs I've made. lyrically in terms of how it's put together.
But I would, if it was, if I could do it again, it would just be me and a guitar. It'd be like last night.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? And I think, you know, I think you frame things in a certain way for certain goals and stuff. But when I play that song by itself, I'm like, oh, it should be this way.

Speaker 3 I think it takes courage to take everything away from a song. And it's only recently I've kind of got that back.

Speaker 3 Because like I said last night, when I would play shows like that when I was younger, I felt so confident, you know what I mean? Because I loved that no one knew who I was.

Speaker 3 And I loved that I had something to bring to the table and people might be excited. And I felt, like I said last night, I felt felt borderline kind of arrogant about it.

Speaker 3 But now when I'm doing it, I get quite nervous for last night.

Speaker 3 But if it's like 10,000 people, I don't get nervous at all. But things like last night, I do get a bit nervous.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just now when you said like, it used to be nice to be a surprise.
Yeah. Dude, that was

Speaker 1 the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's one thing I missed the most about,

Speaker 1 you know, I'm grateful for having like

Speaker 1 people come out and people get to know you and stuff. But it was awesome when only you knew you.
Of course. In a way.
And you got to be this, like,

Speaker 1 you like, we're always your secret because you're you, right?

Speaker 1 You, and you build up this, especially as a comedian, you build up this sort of rapport with how to interact with the world and to surprise people. They're like, what, how did, what is this guy?

Speaker 1 Like, that always seemed interesting to me. And then people get to know how your instrument works.

Speaker 1 It's just the surprise isn't there anymore. And it's different.

Speaker 3 Totally. I mean, that moment, I'm sure you you feel this like that moment where you feel like you've arrived and people know who you are and and and

Speaker 3 yeah no longer do you surprise people and so you kind of feel like you have to change or deviate from what you're doing and and to try and keep that feeling it's tough I find it difficult I know like I know for myself

Speaker 3 Like, I remember seeing a thing, an interview with Drake years ago, and he was just saying that moment where people are sharing your music and kind of say, you got to listen to this.

Speaker 3 You'll never get that back again, no matter how successful you get.

Speaker 3 Because that's the most exciting part. I don't know.
I I think like for what you do, for what I do, for anyone involved in the arts, I think the work is the only thing that's exciting.

Speaker 3 It's the only thing. And of course you play big shows and you have ambition and you try and grow your career and all those things are lovely.

Speaker 3 But at the root of it, if you're not, like I always say, you could be miserable playing in stadiums. Do you know what I mean? Or you could be completely content playing shows like last night.

Speaker 3 So I think it's very important to keep that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I notice when I have some new stuff and that is the most exciting time when I'm ready, when I'm like, wait till I get to this new part of the show and it's gonna be fun for me and it's gonna be fun for them you know oh yeah and I'm sure you could play to like 40,000 people and and it can go either way it can be completely euphoric or it can kind of feel hollow yeah either way but it like nothing the work is the only thing I think that's a good point yeah yeah and especially these days there's so much like uh surrounding things that you have to do to kind of manage yourself you know like social media and just um

Speaker 1 I mean specifically I guess, social media probably. It's such a big world of it all.

Speaker 3 Do you get involved with that side of things? Do you run your own stuff and all that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I split it with my producers and stuff, you know, but, you know, I'm particular kind of about what we put out and like try to be sensitive or try to think, okay, this feels like me.

Speaker 1 Sometimes they're like, no, this is good and I don't have an idea.

Speaker 3 Of course. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So trusting other people sometimes, that's

Speaker 1 with your own voice, you know? Totally.

Speaker 3 I think I find it hard sometimes. I spend way too much time worrying about how I'm perceived, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 And I think things like social media only make that more kind of inflamed. And then, yeah, you just get closer to forgetting what you're actually truly about.
So I try and stay away. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But it's healthy sometimes.

Speaker 1 Well, before this conversation gets any gayer, dude.

Speaker 1 And no offense if it does, dude. I think Irish people.
No offense to me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, and probably me, dude. I mean, look, who knows what will happen with us? But

Speaker 1 I think, yeah, dude, the Irish are,

Speaker 1 I couldn't believe what the Irish were. I always had an idea.

Speaker 3 That wasn't your first time there, though, recently, was it?

Speaker 1 It wasn't, but it was my first time really with my eyes open, I think.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw you in a field with a lot of cows.
Where was that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was down in Cork County. Brilliant.
Oh, you'll milk anything down there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And there's no women. This is the thing about how people are always like, oh, the girls are coming.
They're going to be here. And you'll go to the next place.
You're not coming. The lases are coming.

Speaker 3 It's a false promise. They never come.

Speaker 1 Who made all the men?

Speaker 1 What did they fall out of?

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're the ones that stuck around, I guess. I guess.
I mean, here I am.

Speaker 1 These are some women we met. It was like unbelievable, dude.
Actually, these are some drunken mixed fellas that we met out there, dude. These are the blackest guys I saw in Ireland, right?

Speaker 3 Did you just, were you invited to this field?

Speaker 1 No, we got there and we wanted to like just drive out into the distance. So we stopped at a farm and a man took us and showed us all about the dairy and gave us fresh milk or whatever.

Speaker 1 And, um, you drank the milk straight from the cow? We drank it straight up.

Speaker 1 I mean, it felt, and I don't know how old the cow was, it felt a little illegal, I'll be honest with you. I mean, the first sip, yeah, that's normal.

Speaker 1 But if you, you know, I had a couple sips and I'm like, you got into it?

Speaker 3 And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You definitely peek around for the police after a bit, you know.

Speaker 1 But it was, yeah, it was just unbelievable. We just wanted to see the countryside.
We wanted to feel something that felt normal. A farmer took us into his home and sat at his table.
No way.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I'm glad you got around the country.
I think a lot of people go to Dublin for two or three days and they just experienced that. But Ireland's a beautiful place and you can

Speaker 3 see so much of it in like a couple hours. Do you know what I mean? It's a small country.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, and you have to see it because if you ask somebody something, you can't understand what they're saying.

Speaker 1 And so you just, you have to just believe that they're going to be okay when you meet a lot of Irish people.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, they love you too. Did you like, you had good shows?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I felt a lot of love and support.
Yes. And it was awesome, you know.
I think, and it's just such a unique culture. Like, they just

Speaker 1 have a good time.

Speaker 1 They know how to have a good time.

Speaker 1 They're not as overly concerned with a lot of other bullshit like as we are in the States, you know?

Speaker 3 Definitely not. Like, if I go on tour in Australia, I feel a similar thing.
People just don't take it too seriously.

Speaker 1 You've been down there yet? Oh, yeah. Australia is so great, man.

Speaker 3 Yeah, a similar thing. People just, there's no bullshit.
You feel good energy from people.

Speaker 1 But I have a comedian friend, Mark Hayes, and he's Irish.

Speaker 1 And so he's always cueing me in on just like the shame of the Irish and the

Speaker 1 dark,

Speaker 1 you know. I guess there's a lot of shame over there.

Speaker 3 I guess there is, but also

Speaker 3 there's, I don't know if you heard this phrase earlier there about notions, this idea that when you start doing well at anything, you get notions, like you kind of start feeling yourself a bit, and you have to be very careful of that.

Speaker 3 I think humility, like you see Irish people who just won medals at the Olympics, they just kind of, in the interviews, they're just like, nah, I don't know, I stink.

Speaker 3 They're so mean to themselves. Yeah, it's terrible.
But yeah, a happy medium would be good. I think sometimes you kind of are constantly downplaying what you do.

Speaker 3 And I think it would be nice if people celebrated themselves a bit more. But notions is a real thing.
Yeah. I know, like people have said about me.

Speaker 3 You get to a certain point and some people just don't like you for no reason.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I could maybe see that. Because there's this more unity of us as a group.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I remember there was a thing years ago.

Speaker 3 I think it was Damian Rice told the story. They were like in a restaurant and there was lobsters in a...

Speaker 1 And who is Damian Rice?

Speaker 3 He's a brilliant musician from Ireland. Okay.
He had a song called Cannonball and an album called, Oh, It's Like a Classic. And he

Speaker 3 was talking about lobsters in a tank. I think it was him.
I don't mean to attribute this quote to him if it's not him. But he was, apparently there was like a lobster trying to get out and

Speaker 3 another one. He was kind of like, oh, careful, it's going to get out.
And someone's like, no, they're Irish lobsters. So the other ones will like drag it back down.
Oh, yeah. Apparently.

Speaker 1 The shellfish. I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I love it. You feel massive support, too.
Don't get me wrong. Like,

Speaker 3 it's the best place in the world for doing anything because people just, we're so quick to celebrate our own, and I love that.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah.
Yeah, what's that article right there? It was about an Olympian. Irish rower's brilliant response to winning an Olympic gold medal goes viral.

Speaker 3 It's all right. Yeah, I can't complain.

Speaker 1 In a BBC interview following the win, the pair were asked, Paul O'Donovan, Fenton McCarthy, gold medal winning athletes, how does it sound? How does that sound? It's all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You can't complain about it, really.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't go around introducing myself.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's that type of thing. You wouldn't talk about it.
He did it.

Speaker 3 But I love that, too, because we do take care of business, but don't talk about it too much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a bit more humility.

Speaker 3 Definitely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man, there was so much like

Speaker 1 there was something you said last night

Speaker 1 that I really resonated with. It was about like

Speaker 1 wishing you could slow down time or grab onto a moment a little bit more and just how like impossible it is. Yeah.
And like what a fight it is. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm crap at it. What about you? I can't.
Like I, when things are good,

Speaker 3 I don't know. I feel like I'm sometimes I feel as if I'm waiting for something bad to happen.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like you're almost like just sort of waiting for bad news or bad phone call or something. I don't know.
Instead of just enjoying the fact that it's good right now, I feel very bad at that.

Speaker 3 And again, music puts me in a better place. But yeah, I feel that way.
I find it very difficult to settle into a good feeling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it's hard. I mean, the moment, it's hard to have the moment.

Speaker 1 You used to, I've talked about this before, but you used to, with the moment, the moment used to be like a real thing because we couldn't record it all the time, right? We couldn't capture it.

Speaker 1 So the moment, it was like,

Speaker 1 it had so much value. The only way you were going to learn about what had happened was through someone else, through a storyteller.
So it promoted so much more storytelling.

Speaker 1 It's like cameras have taken all that away from us. And not all the time and not all of it, but it's definitely,

Speaker 1 it's like...

Speaker 1 squashed a lot of that.

Speaker 3 Definitely.

Speaker 1 I mean, the moment, if you got to see a girl like at school, you couldn't go home and look at pictures of her. You had to imagine

Speaker 1 what she was doing. And mostly in your mind, you imagine, oh, she's thinking of me.
She's drawing pictures of me in the walls and everything.

Speaker 1 And then you got to school the next day and she still didn't care about you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Or like you would see that they're online and they're not texting you.
Yeah. That type of thing.
Yeah. Squashed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I think like there's like stuff like that I miss because your imagination became so much more of a, it did its natural work.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. I think about it.
Yeah. Like I, that, that's my livelihood comes from my imagination.
You know what I mean? That's all I have. And so, yeah, you got to be careful.

Speaker 3 I think what you put in is very important. Like, if I read, I can feel it sort of, I can feel ideas start to generate.

Speaker 3 If I walk around just all day and stay just literally looking at the most boring stuff, I can feel ideas start to come. But I got to be careful and not let it get squashed all the time.

Speaker 1 Like, what do you mean? Like, by

Speaker 1 like get squashed by what?

Speaker 3 As in, like, if I look at my phone too much, it's just sludge in my brain. Do you know what I mean? And it's just bad thoughts and stupid stuff.

Speaker 3 And so, like no good song is going to come out of that but also i spend so much time traveling by myself and all that kind of thing so it's a yeah to stay creative i find it difficult i don't know like i know like we were in your car last week and you were kind of say you thought of something and you were like oh i need to write that down and it's that constantly right you're constantly trying to grab that thing or that moment of inspiration or something that can translate to part of your show yeah

Speaker 1 Yeah, you notice, especially like a phrase or a thing, like, oh, I've never said that or I never thought about that.

Speaker 1 After a while, I notice it's like, if it makes me laugh, then it might make somebody else laugh. So I have to, like,

Speaker 1 you know, because at this point, you have to think maybe you and your audience have some like

Speaker 1 symbiosis or whatever. They're similar people, yeah.
Yeah, or similar. Definitely.

Speaker 1 And so, yeah, if they told you a song, if they told you a, you know, this thing you just heard, or, you know, you're like, oh, this will probably, this will probably play.

Speaker 1 Do you base songs? Like, do you kind of start with like a nugget of a line?

Speaker 3 Definitely. Yeah, I find it hard when someone's kind of like, what you want to write about.
It's like, I don't know yet. Like, I have, I'll I'll have a lyric in a song last night.

Speaker 3 So the first song I played is called An Evening I'll Not Forget.

Speaker 3 And I know there's a lot of lyrics in that from the best days of my life and from the worst days of my life. And they just mix together.

Speaker 3 So I struggle sometimes when someone's like, what's this song about? Or what you want to write about it? It's everything.

Speaker 3 You know, like there'll be one lyric about like hanging out with my friends and one lyric about someone passing away and difficult things all mixing together.

Speaker 3 But it all kind of, I think sometimes when I, and this is overly serious, but I think like the one lasting message through my music, hopefully, is like a hopeful thing. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 So, if a song seems down, it's never all the way down. There's always a hopeful moment.
And if it's up, it just, I'm trying to lift people up a little bit.

Speaker 3 I would, I would, like, if I could have a goal from people coming to my show, it's just they feel a bit better about where they're at and how their life is. Um,

Speaker 3 and not in a corny way, but just that they kind of think about things and realize that life is good a little bit. I would love that.

Speaker 1 Even a down moment in Ireland is pretty good, probably, I think. Yeah, yeah, like I said, the Irish are like, oh, yeah, we'll take it.

Speaker 3 You know, oh, definitely. Yeah, people are good.
We kind of, yeah, like, I even, I don't know, I just, when I get too far from home, I kind of miss that feeling. I don't know.

Speaker 3 There's so many people that are happy-go-lucky, good people. I'm sure you saw tons of them.
But just,

Speaker 3 yeah. So that's what I mean is between songs, I don't feel serious.
Like, we're all on inear monitors on stage. And

Speaker 3 in between songs when we're on tour, it's relentless like people shouting at each other and we're all just communicating on stage.

Speaker 3 It's just people like taking the piss out of me while I'm doing something. I'll be like, yeah, so I'm trying to sing through all of that.

Speaker 3 Like everybody on stage will be slagging me in some way in my ears while i'm trying to say something really sincere and then i'll laugh and the whole crowd will kind of cheer because i look happy yeah but it's really because someone's like slagging me about something yeah yeah yeah i you know what that's i there's nobody likes to laugh more i think than the irish maybe really yeah like maybe that's something that i realized i i was just so um

Speaker 1 yeah people just love to laugh it's very sarcastic yes in a way they love to rip on each other and it's okay they don't take things as personally. No.

Speaker 3 Yeah, in a way that sometimes I'll say something sarcastic over here and it doesn't necessarily land and people think I'm quite serious about it. So you have to be careful.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Some of the songs last night, it was like,

Speaker 1 yeah, a lot of them felt like kind of relationship-based or trying to like capture a moment from a relationship or relive a relationship.

Speaker 3 Or...

Speaker 1 Where does some of that energy come from? Does it just, do you feel like that that's like been something that's been very important in your life? I mean, it's important in a lot of people's lives.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think, like,

Speaker 3 I think even the relationships, you know, some of you. Somebody's on The Bachelor or something? No, I was meant to sing on.
What was I meant to sing on?

Speaker 3 I was meant to sing on The Bachelorette years ago and it fell through. Thank God.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But I was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because after some of the songs, I'm like, Jesus, how many guys, how many?

Speaker 1 This guy's been, yeah. Like, this guy's been on a lot of dates.

Speaker 3 No, that couldn't be further from the truth. But I think sometimes I'll sing a song and it'll be from the perspective of anybody, you know, like a family member.

Speaker 3 Sometimes I'll just embody someone else in my life. I think it's an interesting thought, right?

Speaker 3 To think that my community, say my close friends and my family at home, we all have the same feelings and emotions. It's just I sing about it.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 And so sometimes I feel like a mouthpiece for them. Oh, yeah.
You know, and that puts me in a good place because I'm not thinking about my own life all the time.

Speaker 3 So that's where all the dates come from. I've been on very few.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's...

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 were you not a big dater growing up, really?

Speaker 3 Not really. Oh, man.
I was like...

Speaker 3 Well, there's no people went to school with me.

Speaker 3 I mean. Yeah, it was supply and demand.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's not your issue. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I'd say this. A lot of people went to school with me who have, like, if they watched this, would hear me speak for the first time.
Wow. Hated it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you hate like the public speaking of it or something?

Speaker 3 Not even public speaking, but just I just felt so awkward in school, you know? Like we used to, oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 We used to like go to, you know, the way you'd have your locker at school and you would get your books for the first half of the day and then get your books for the second and then like drop them off.

Speaker 3 I would walk around with every book for the whole day in my bag. So I didn't have to go to the lockers for that potential interaction.
I hated it, man. Yeah.
Not good.

Speaker 1 God.

Speaker 1 And is that a kind of a general Irish thing?

Speaker 3 I don't think so. I don't know what it was in me, but I just felt quiet.
I didn't, even nowadays, I kind of feel that way.

Speaker 3 I think it's lovely. Like I'll talk to you and I know we can talk about things and get into it.
But just general socializing, I'd suck at it.

Speaker 3 And I, I, you know, you get to an age where you don't apologize for it and you don't care anymore. But, um, when I was a kid, yeah, I hated it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got so nervous around girls. I just remember, well, on the school bus, I would get so, like, I would get like erections all the time, I guess, because of like the motor going.
Of course.

Speaker 1 And they would play

Speaker 1 like music that we weren't allowed to listen to at home. It was like kind of not sexy music, but just rate pop music or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And so I would just have to like, i just would turn my whole body just like facing

Speaker 1 just and like

Speaker 1 oh just a constant state of arousal in school do you mean that was us on the bus dude when i got to school i think there was so much kind of like violence and stuff at our school that it was hard to stay erect around a lot of violence you know yeah yeah yeah that's a different thing like yeah if there's broken glass or somebody getting beaten i can't get an erection, you know?

Speaker 3 Nor should you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, maybe I'm old-fashioned or whatever, but it's like, yeah, I just, yeah.
So, but yeah, around girls, yeah, I was always afraid, never could ask a girl to a dance or anything.

Speaker 1 This one girl, man, I loved her. I think I did anyway.
I don't know. I looked at her really hard every day.
And I,

Speaker 1 yeah, finally, I just, I needed to express to her how I felt, and I saved up as much saliva in my mouth as I could one day. And I just spit it right into her hair.

Speaker 3 Oh, lovely. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like a, like an animal. Just like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was all. It was all I knew.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You lost control.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I guess I lost control. I remember.
Oh, dear God. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know. I couldn't, like, those situations didn't even come up for me.
I would just hide.

Speaker 3 I remember there was a girl that used to kind of

Speaker 3 fancy me, I guess. And it got to the point where I stopped putting gel in my hair and stuff because I was like, I need to look scruffier for school so no one pays attention.
Wow. Weird, right?

Speaker 1 Like, I got to tone this down.

Speaker 3 Yeah, too good, man. Yeah, I can't be like this.

Speaker 1 Back into the more.

Speaker 3 Yeah, just

Speaker 3 hide in the corner constantly.

Speaker 1 What is a moor anyway?

Speaker 3 Moor is like a British thing, I guess. Oh, I thought it was a swamp, is it? In my mind, I would think of a misty moor.
Yeah, it's like a swamp in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 3 It makes me think of Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And was that you guys this guy, Jack the Ripper?

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no, no. We don't claim Jack.

Speaker 1 Who's your most famous serial killer over there?

Speaker 3 Well.

Speaker 1 Besides alcoholism, I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 If you look at

Speaker 3 there's a great podcast called West Cork.

Speaker 3 And you could think it's fiction, but it's a true story. Now, it's not a serial killer.
It's one standalone murder. There's very few things like that.

Speaker 3 But it's an amazing story. And

Speaker 3 it's about this lady that was killed in Cork, in West Cork, out by the ocean.

Speaker 3 Horrific thing years and years ago, but they still haven't found the person that did it. And you know how Ireland is.
There's a lot of talk in the town about who did it.

Speaker 3 And even up until recently, the fellow that they thought did it was like selling pizzas on the market and stuff. And everyone would go just to see him and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But no, I don't. I mean, I know I'm wrong, but I don't think there's many serial killers.
I know here you've got classics, but yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah, people, it's definitely weak.

Speaker 1 There's a lot more we kill over here, yeah.

Speaker 3 Um, who's your favorite?

Speaker 1 My favorite serial killer? That's a great question, man.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 there was the BTK serial killer. Who's that? He was out of um Wichita,

Speaker 1 Missouri, Wichita, Kansas,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 yeah, he was like an electrician. He ran,

Speaker 1 he ran like his community church, and he was just killing people.

Speaker 3 They're all like weirdly handsome as well, aren't they? Not him.

Speaker 1 Not him.

Speaker 1 Well, we've had some of the handsome ones. Ted Bundy, I believe, was the handsome guy.

Speaker 1 Dahmer was a famous one. That show was pretty great.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 1 yeah, I guess, I don't know. I should think about that a little bit more, who my favorite one is.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, no, there's very few things like that in Ireland. It's like a a small country.

Speaker 1 Well, and you also, yeah, you would rather, if you kill somebody, they're not going to be able to drink anymore.

Speaker 3 Yeah, true. So true.
You know, it's like,

Speaker 3 hey, we got to keep this guy alive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to keep the pub in service.

Speaker 3 Local commerce, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3 yeah so was there like so where does some of that influence then come from like a lot of the because it's a lot of like you know there's some love stories there kind of definitely but like tons of hip-hop i'm listening to hip-hop 99 of the time i would say yeah like i even i remember my friend had 50 cents first album and that was just huge for me

Speaker 3 and it's funny because i listen to it all the time and i never try and let it influence my music too much because i'd just be pretending to be a rapper and that would be ridiculous but it does influence the way i write like i'll write verses in a hip-hop type way And no one really knows or acknowledges it, but to me, I can feel the flow.

Speaker 3 If there's no beat or anything, there may be no drums or whatever, but it's just, to me, that's written in a hip-hop way. Like, if I could, yeah, I would love to get certain features and stuff.

Speaker 3 That would be my favorite. Yeah.
Definitely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like that could easily happen, especially now because there's so many, there's a lot more featuring now, it feels like.

Speaker 3 Yeah, definitely. It's important.
J. Cole to me is like number one.
That would be like an incredible thing to me. I would love that so much.

Speaker 1 Did you, you're here working in Nashville right now on music. Yes.
Yeah. Have you met up with other artists while you've been here?

Speaker 3 A little bit. Yeah, it's funny, you know, because like you said, Gabe Simon and Joshua were with me at the show last night in the Bluebird.

Speaker 3 But also the idea is kind of you kind of have your friends with you playing songs and it's like you go back and forth. I'll do a song, you do a song, they do a song.

Speaker 3 But like I don't have friends like that. Do you know what I mean? I kind of feel quite solitary when I go to these places.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like sometimes, you know, sometimes people have tons of features and have tons of friends on songs and stuff. I I feel quite

Speaker 3 content in this way, but like a bit of a loner in the music biz. I feel like I kind of go about my business in a in a in a lonery way, which is fine.
I'm okay with that. And I love people.

Speaker 3 I think they're incredible. I think the other artists in my genre and that are doing well, I absolutely love them.

Speaker 3 But I oftentimes, if I'm doing a thing like last night, I'm just like, I'll do it by myself. It'll be fine.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Definitely.
Is it just, and it's not really a choice that you don't want to work with other people? It's just kind of like, this has been going fine. This is how I'm doing.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like you don't want to bother other people ever?

Speaker 3 Yes, definitely. And I also.

Speaker 3 I don't want to be kind of, I don't want to seem as though I'm reaching out to somebody for their clout or whatever, you know? I don't want to see

Speaker 1 like that nice one yeah i appreciate it i'll be honest with you i don't think just you know i don't know you super well we've gotten hung out a few times i don't think that you could seem like that okay yeah

Speaker 3 doesn't help anything but no no no but you know when you kind of work with j cole

Speaker 1 but i think you easily could i mean we went out the other night and zach brown saw you and he was like i you know immediately he brought you onto his show yeah thank you for that he said that immediately he didn't think at all it was no he just he was like so excited to see you yeah we we randomly ran in and we were at the Red Clay Strays.

Speaker 1 And yeah, there you are now. That's crazy, dude.
I saw that video. It gave me chills, dude.

Speaker 3 It was nuts.

Speaker 3 It was funny. I lingered for so long because we...

Speaker 3 He said, we rehearsed it beforehand and he was like, I'll sing the outro verse.

Speaker 3 He said, you sing the first half of the outroverse. I'll sing the second half.
I was like, perfect. So I sang my bit, then went and hid away with the bongo player for a while.

Speaker 3 And then the outro verse came along and I walked back out to the walkway and I was like, all right, sweet. Here we go.

Speaker 3 And then he started singing the outro outro verse and i was like oh no now i'm just standing here so into like being an awkward person i was like i'm just standing here in front of 70 000 people yeah with nothing to do i should have been gone ages ago yeah

Speaker 1 yeah yeah yeah he was lovely though god that's so cool looking dude it's nice it's the best thing i don't get nervous for that which is weird yeah oh man that yeah karaoke makes me so sad i could not even imagine having to sing in front of people yeah um

Speaker 1 so when did you start to learn that you had singing talent i mean mean, I know that some of this will be like elementary stuff to you, but for some of my audience that doesn't know you, you know, so like,

Speaker 1 yeah, when did you start to learn that? Because how do you go from being like this sort of like,

Speaker 1 like, not recluse, but sort of this like quiet kid? Shadow lurkering.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 Good guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We don't want to make it sound like a villain. No.
But sort of this

Speaker 1 guy who's this patient person.

Speaker 1 How do you go from that to to like being able to like express yourself? Because dude, yeah, when you start, it's like, there's a lot of levels to what you do.

Speaker 1 Like sometimes I feel like there's like some Mac Miller. Sometimes I feel like there's like this Dr.
Seuss of like Irish funerals going on. There's so many.

Speaker 1 And then sometimes it's just like this, you almost feel like you're at a opera or something. Right.
You know? Yeah. So it's really impressive.

Speaker 3 Nice one, man. Thank you.
Yeah. I try and do a few different things.
But I remember my sister played piano and she still does when we were kids.

Speaker 3 And classic thing, I would just sing in the back of the car and I remember my mom I was just loud you know I'm still loud and I uh so yeah I just started figuring out I played soccer quite seriously when I was a kid seriously in my head and

Speaker 3 and so music was like a secondary thing so I never worried about playing to people because I was just I was thinking about playing football so I uh I would always it came quite easy to me to play to people because I didn't see it as being that important the first few times, you know?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so yeah, it just gradually became a thing. I started realizing I wanted to write music.
I'd go into town and like do open mics and stuff. Oh, you would? Yeah.
Like, Dublin's so supportive.

Speaker 3 That's what I mean. It's like, I know I always talk about notions and all that kind of stuff, but it's just like, it's a nice place.
I was 15, 16, playing in these pubs and

Speaker 3 people to do anything to help you. You know, I don't know what it's like in the States.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah. No, the Irish will do anything.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And they just, if they see some potential in you, they'll just kind of say, I know this person, I know that person. Be careful with this.
And da, da, da.

Speaker 3 And loads of advice and all that kind of thing. So,

Speaker 3 yeah, just gradually. I mean, like I'm 32 now.
So like

Speaker 3 I've been doing this since I was 19, I guess. You know what I mean? So, it's a long road.
And I know we were talking about the red clay strays and how they put time in.

Speaker 3 And I think if you get to a certain level, there's very few people who haven't had that journey. Do you know what I mean? I know you had Luke Combs on here.

Speaker 3 I know everybody's got their journey in music, but like, there's so much time you spend knowing you're good and being frustrated that you don't have a career. You know what I mean? So, I think

Speaker 3 you just have to be patient. It's so, like, it's so silly to me.
It's so kind of arbitrary in a way because it's like

Speaker 3 it's this thing where you're, like you said like you're lurking in the shadows knowing you're good and but no one's paying attention and then out of nowhere people decide you're just really good and it's like yeah i knew that before yeah but it just takes time yeah it is that is such a fine line there's a like what's it like for you you know what i mean like when you knew you had this potential but yeah i thought that i was funny i think i was sitting on a porch one day at school or in college and this kid's like you should do stand-up comedy man and i was like fuck you dude you're an idiot right and the guy was an idiot so I was right

Speaker 1 but uh but yeah I eventually I started doing comedy you know

Speaker 1 but was like yeah there were times you start to do good yeah and then you're like why why what you know you see other people like I'm doing but I think a lot of it's just time and it's like yeah like weathering that storm

Speaker 1 and then weathering that storm of like other people's careers have been going. They have to have their successes.
And so that's just the way that time works.

Speaker 3 Do you find that hard sometimes when you see people like having massive moments?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I know you are too, so it's probably made easier by that.

Speaker 1 I definitely did earlier on, you know, and then,

Speaker 1 yeah, now it's like, you know, we're able to sell out a club and able to sell out some spots.

Speaker 1 So once you can kind of do that, you start to feel a little bit more like in control that like at least, okay, at least I'm doing my job. I think that's part of it, too.

Speaker 1 It's like, hell, it's hard to admit to somebody that you're a comedian. Like, you know, because everybody's funny and everybody has good stories, especially being from louisiana so um

Speaker 1 like they don't even have any comedy clubs in louisiana because

Speaker 1 people are so funny just talking to them yeah yeah yeah so it's like i'm not gonna go pay seven dollars and go in that you know booze oh my friend is funnier than that yeah

Speaker 3 yeah well

Speaker 1 randy out here yeah did you spend a lot of time sort of doing sets and clubs with just oh yeah tough ones yeah for years man yeah i would drive and do all the sets yeah i think there was a part of me that wanted to be good at it.

Speaker 1 Of course. And then I think after a while, I think the art chooses you because I didn't end up getting married.
I didn't have a child. So those things didn't kind of like start to take up my time.

Speaker 1 So I was still available for it, you know? Of course. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I think there's a moment kind of where some of the art chooses you.

Speaker 3 I keep thinking about you spitting on that girl's head. Oh.

Speaker 3 Terrible times.

Speaker 1 God, if she only knew. And I tried to, I think, draw a heart when I spit or something.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I tried to save it.

Speaker 1 I tried to do something. You know, I remember just doing like that a little or something.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I wanted to be kind of artistic.
I don't fucking know.

Speaker 1 But it was, that was the only way I could express myself.

Speaker 3 I know what you mean about the saliva. I find it even when I'm doing this, you know.

Speaker 1 So I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, where were we talking?

Speaker 3 But it's been good. I've loved being here, honestly.
Have you? It's a good place making music. Yeah, it's a good place.
Definitely.

Speaker 1 I think. Yeah, and I think if you don't, you have to kind of like put yourself out there some here.
And if you like to do kind of your own thing, I mean, your music does feel very

Speaker 1 important to you, like you said, right? Like the stuff you're, you know, you're not trying to go for like, it doesn't seem like...

Speaker 1 Some pop thing or trying to like read a bunch of other people's songs that they've written. No.
It seems like you're trying to make your your voice.

Speaker 3 Yeah, if it was like someone else, you know, there'd be no point.

Speaker 3 there's people i'm a fan of and there's people i'm inspired by but you've got to take a mix of all that and make your own thing yeah otherwise it's boring because that's a big part of the culture here is like all the big songwriter groups yeah and then they service the musicians you know totally and you got to be careful because you find you i like i've written songs where i'm like oh no that's too like this person there's there's no place in the world for that i think it's funny sometimes you'll have people kind of

Speaker 3 See, I remember we were talking about Louis Capaldi the other day. I remember for

Speaker 3 a long time I was kind of pushing to do just piano and vocal. And it never really worked out.
And then

Speaker 3 he had his massive song,

Speaker 3 I was getting kind of used to being someone you loved. And then I remember someone in my team that I worked with was kind of like, oh, I was thinking, like, maybe piano and vocal.

Speaker 3 And I was like, this is so obvious. Like, you did that already.
So, like, it's so senseless that I would go and do that unless it felt right.

Speaker 3 But this idea of just like copying something else that did well is weird and will never get the right results, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you see a lot of that with music. You see, like, someone

Speaker 1 breaks out of the pack. Yeah.
And then there's a lot of other people that start to sound just like them. Oh, totally.

Speaker 3 You see it now, like, say Noah Cannon and Zach Bryan like having these huge moments.

Speaker 3 I'm inspired by it, but I have to make sure I do my own thing and don't sort of, what's the word, try and replicate it, I guess. Yeah.
Because you'll just end up on your ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think, yeah, because then you're just like, oh, he sounds like this person. Totally.

Speaker 3 And the reason it works for them is because it's... They are them and they're uniquely them.
And people are drawn to that, definitely. I think even like

Speaker 3 the attitude that's contained within your music like you see Zach Bryan like the recordings and everything they're quite what's the word like they're so rough and ready but people are drawn to that everything's so perfect nowadays so people just like that if he's literally just pressing record and that take is that take I think it's incredible again I heard Luke Combs kind of say they'll go in and do five songs in an evening and I think that's beautiful I've been in situations now where

Speaker 3 things can get quite fragmented and you're kind of like, okay, we'll do piano, then do vocal. It's all quite polished and put together.
So I want to get back to that side of things. Definitely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that feels like a challenge. I think it's a challenge in any art, you know? How do I stay me?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then how do I stay me as I change?

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 is it okay to still be me?

Speaker 1 This changed me at the risk of that my

Speaker 1 the people who are paying attention to me won't will understand. Totally.

Speaker 3 And I even like, I get to hide behind the music. like in your line of work i think

Speaker 3 you are your brand right so like changing's got to be a whole different thing do you know what i mean like i can change my music all i like and i'll still be me underneath it but like i i find for comedians or people that do what you do it's tough because because your name is the whole thing right you know like like if you change as a person people will kind of could criticize could enjoy it whatever yeah or like but to not even evolve i think right like i think that's kind of the thing that i'm thinking of is like like a guy told me one time um he's a manager, he's worked at a fancy management company in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 And he said, you know, your audience will grow up with you. So you have to grow up as well or it can get kind of stale, you know?

Speaker 1 And I thought that was just interesting, you know, just like, yeah, that's kind of true. Like if I,

Speaker 1 you know, be afraid to change or don't grow up, or, you know,

Speaker 1 then they're going to grow up past me.

Speaker 3 Of course. Yeah, I got that with music too.
You You know, yeah.

Speaker 3 You try and like, you try and sort of think about what age you were when people first started listening to your music and then change with that. 50 Cents a good example.

Speaker 3 He always, he stopped making music sometimes because he was just like, it's not relevant to those people anymore. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm trying to think. Yeah, there's some like, there's a little bit of Zach Bryan when I hear there's a little bit of James Blake, but there's, it's you.

Speaker 1 It definitely felt like

Speaker 1 this guy at the shipyard who's just going to fucking show you what's going on.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I hope so. You know, I hope so.
My voice is a little bit more.

Speaker 1 And his girl, she better pay attention.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's stories.

Speaker 1 And if he goes out on the boat with you to fish or crab or whatever, he's gonna be a little loud sometimes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got told I even talked too loud.
A speech therapist recently was like, you need to relax, really? Constantly, yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they said, like, because I have trouble with my voice sometimes. Even last night, my voice kind of went about halfway through.
And

Speaker 3 I don't know how to not go full beans constantly. Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 1 You must get so many, dude. Every girl I know, my brother's wife, my ex-girlfriend, every woman is looking for you.

Speaker 1 So I don't know if you, I'm sure you have. How many ring cameras do you have?

Speaker 3 Yeah, we got the cameras on that home. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nah, it's just people can connect to real feelings. Yeah, that's all I do.

Speaker 3 I saw you. You were nodding along.
Oh, I was. I had one song that had rhythm in it last night, right? Oh, no, there was a couple moments.

Speaker 1 You hit some.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, well, yeah.
When it's not like the whole band and it's just you, that's a lot of pressure. I mean, you had the boys with you there.

Speaker 3 The poet, Joshua. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was great. Dude, he was at my show in Halifax.
I'll tell you that. Was he at the show?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Because he said he bumped into you on the flight.
Yeah, I didn't know he was at the show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he came to the show in Halifax in the morning. I'm on the plane.
Brilliant. He said, hey, I was at your show last night.
I was like, oh, you're heading to the U.S.

Speaker 1 He's like, yeah, I'm going to play with Dermot Kennedy. I said, oh, I'm actually going to his show.
No way. And so I'll see you there tomorrow.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's a nice guy. He was so much more confident than me.
He

Speaker 1 was funny.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He's 22 as well.
So it's just like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think that's a difficult gig when it's just spoken. You know, the music you can hide behind it and stuff.
But when it's just spoken word, that's not easy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it added this element of like,

Speaker 1 because last night, so just for the listeners, so there was Dermot, there was Gabe Simon accompanying him on guitar and mandolin and some different instruments.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there was

Speaker 3 joshua de shooter and he's a poet and he was like um kind of reading lines at certain points yeah and he had sort of tailored his poetry to fit around the songs and stuff it was just cool i don't know like that was cool i know when i was that age i kind of was dying to do things like that so i was excited to work with him yeah yeah i thought that was super cool how'd you find him uh instagram i saw him doing a poem he had a really cool poem uh i couldn't even point it out now but he had a really cool poem about two people who every night in a cemetery they come up out of their graves and one guy was really rich and one guy was really poor.

Speaker 3 And just, it's this beautiful poem about like not forgetting what's important in life. So I thought it was cool.

Speaker 3 I think there's a lot of, I think there's a lot of bullshit poetry on Instagram, and I think he's not that. So that's why.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I liked even just having a younger person. It like added this element of like

Speaker 1 nervous energy and a preference to the world, which was like such a dichotomy to kind of some of your music. You know, some of it's like, you know, it's more like,

Speaker 1 I don't think a young person could even write something, you know, you know, I think you have to have some experience, you know.

Speaker 3 I definitely think about that now, even like having any degree of success. I feel better equipped now.

Speaker 3 You know, I used to be annoyed that I wasn't getting gigs and stuff, but I guess I'm glad it happened the way it did because now I,

Speaker 3 even as a person just in society, I try not to, you know, you learn how to not take shit from people and you learn who you are in the world a little bit. I'd be scared if I was 22 doing this.

Speaker 3 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, having like a lot of success at just anything, any kind of traction.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And someone was like, I feel like I'm easily led or gullible even at this age so i don't know what i'd be like if i was younger yeah yeah yeah it seems kind of risque out there

Speaker 3 i want to think more about ireland dude dude they have oh somebody said the irish started halloween is that true sauna yeah i think so yeah yeah yeah because what is it it sort of translates like the the night of the lost souls or something like that i'm not sure but yeah irish people ireland's very pagan and sort of A lot of things like that.

Speaker 3 The dead are very important.

Speaker 1 The dead are very important.

Speaker 3 You know the way like Coco? Like yes, in those movies, like the Mexican dead, right? Yeah, it feels like there's similarities in that sense. There's like the Celtic Sound Festival, yeah.
Wow. My

Speaker 3 actually, I was talking about it last night at the gig, the island my auntie lives on. Halloween's really important, and it's all the lost souls and stuff.

Speaker 3 What is it called?

Speaker 1 Inishmore. Inishmore.

Speaker 3 I thought her name's Deirdre. I thought you were about to say her name.
I was like, you know my auntie Deirdre.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But they have these traditions, you know, where there's very few people live on the island. It's like, I'd be bullshitting, maybe a few hundred people kind of thing.

Speaker 3 And there's this tradition where someone, someone you know, will knock on your door and they're kind of allowed to walk around your house in silence and open drawers and close drawers and

Speaker 3 then leave. And then later on, everyone's in the pub and.
you don't know who is in your house. So it's this kind of, there's all these creepy traditions, yeah.
Ireland started Halloween, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's guessing. Yeah, Halloween was invented in Ireland.
The roots of Halloween can be traced back 2,000 years to the Celtic salmon.

Speaker 3 Samen. Samhen.
Yeah, I think those things are important in Ireland. Like ghosts and all that kind of thing.
Do you believe in ghosts?

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, from Louisiana, we got fucking ghosts over there.

Speaker 3 Oh, true, yeah.

Speaker 1 Everybody's, yeah. Everybody's eating trout or something.
You know, even you'll hear a ghost eating something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like a lot of, we have fat ghosts down there.

Speaker 1 Like, you'll be at the hospital and be like, yeah, there's a ghost in the other.

Speaker 3 In the other ward? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He broke his legs.

Speaker 3 New Orleans is Louisiana, right? Yeah, ghosts are like that's a ghost town, right?

Speaker 1 It's a ghost town. There's ghosts and tours.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And the crazy thing, you'll be on a ghost tour.
Somebody will get murdered because it's so dangerous there. That then another ghost will show up.

Speaker 3 You're like, oh, damn, that's Reginald. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I knew him. Yeah, they just, he just got here.

Speaker 3 He's fresh.

Speaker 1 But yeah, there's a lot of like that, that sort of energy there. There's tons of ghost tours and stuff like that.
We had a dude in our town who got

Speaker 1 busted by the cops being for being a ghost dude we had um

Speaker 1 so this family owned they bought like a ramada and it was like a small

Speaker 1 it's a small motel oh okay

Speaker 1 and uh used to be nice and now it's still nice but it's not like it's not like swanky

Speaker 1 and they were trying to make it on the um

Speaker 1 get on the haunt on the ghost tour so when people came to america to go learn about ghosts and everything it would show up on like the ghost like oh you got to stop here right so they wanted to make it haunted okay so so they did like some like like

Speaker 1 low-key haunty shit like the wiring and stuff and like it was getting a little bit of a buzz but then they're like oh we're not getting enough people that love ghosts you know and so they would have somebody would dress up upstairs and they had hotel room doors that were across the hallway from each other yep so they would open a door on each side and when you go walked up the stairs the person would just walk across.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you'd see something like just what was that? You know?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 yeah, and so it was getting some heat and people were like, holy shit, there's ghosts. And people were outside fucking hanging out and drinking Dr.

Speaker 1 Pepper and fucking sometimes even people, because they are people get real excited.

Speaker 1 And then they busted the guy. The guy forgot to take off his ghost sheet or whatever.
He was driving home. It was like

Speaker 1 the owner's son. And they fucking

Speaker 3 busted him, dude.

Speaker 3 Idiot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Have you had any like encounters properly with ghosts?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. A friend of mine died and like I was laying in his living room

Speaker 1 the day after and I felt him. He was right outside.

Speaker 3 Wow, no way.

Speaker 1 And I just, it felt as if he was right there. I mean, it just,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I never felt like he was standing around me before or since.

Speaker 1 But it just felt real and I just started like crying. It was like just super intense, you know? Wow.

Speaker 3 I've never had, I believe in all that stuff so strongly, but never anything like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ireland, you guys have like the Giants. Causeway? Causeway, yeah.
And it's supposedly made by Giants. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Did you go there?

Speaker 1 Did we go to Giants Causeway? We didn't.

Speaker 3 No. I haven't been there.

Speaker 3 Is that good? Is that helpful?

Speaker 3 I haven't been there.

Speaker 1 But the story is that

Speaker 1 there was a giant from there and a giant from Scotland, and they weren't getting along. Is that right?

Speaker 3 I feel like you know more about it than I do. Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 Oh, Finn McCool. That was one of the giants.
And there was another giant. Legend has it that an Irish giant named Finn McCool.
Oh, yeah. created, and everybody's going to think this is extremely gee.

Speaker 3 Exciting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 An Irish giant, Finn McCool, yeah, to cross the Irish Sea and fight his rival, the Scottish giant, Ben and Donner. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they like, and so it just looks like these like, there's these big square

Speaker 1 stones heading out into the water from each side.

Speaker 3 Yeah, beautiful thing. So there's one of them in Scotland as well?

Speaker 1 That's a good question. Hopefully there is.
If not.

Speaker 3 You made it up? Yeah. Fuck it.

Speaker 1 The Scotland Giant Causeway. We'll say that there is.
Let's keep the lore alive. But yeah, there's a lot of stuff stuff like that in Ireland.

Speaker 1 Like a lot of like, well, there's leprechauns, there's mystery, you know. Ancient things.

Speaker 3 Yeah. A lot of that.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of like

Speaker 1 lore. Definitely.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. There's a lot of myths and stuff.

Speaker 1 It's kind of romantic in a way.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I think like I love Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and all that stuff purely because I think being Irish, you kind of grow up loving those things.
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 I would hate to be without that. I think, to be honest, like I...

Speaker 3 In my songs, like I had a song last night called The Killer Was a Coward and it's just made-up story. I love it.
It's just about a king and a person that kind of like

Speaker 3 finds his way through this castle and kills him. And to me, I was just like, fuck it, why not make a song like that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What has the songwriting experience been like in Nashville? Has it been inspired by like any like country vibes, or is like, is it just this is a place that you feel is good to write and be?

Speaker 3 I think it's a good place. You know, like, I think you can't downplay how talented people are.

Speaker 3 Sometimes, if I'm writing somewhere else, I can get stuck and kind of come away with with like half a verse or half a chorus or something.

Speaker 3 Whereas here you come away with full songs because people just do not stop. It's like Gabe, who was there last night, he just

Speaker 3 relentless. You know what I mean? He can kind of just, he never runs out of ideas.
So people here are just so talented. Plus, it's just a better place to write.
Yeah. I don't know.
I like being here.

Speaker 3 It feels like... It's not the be-all and end-all.

Speaker 3 The music business, even though it's here and it's based here and there's so many people here that are working on music, it doesn't feel like people are writing to try and be successful.

Speaker 3 It feels like people are trying to just make music and see what happens.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
There's a nice sense of like just being alive here.

Speaker 3 Definitely. And you just take time, and people are nice.
And you'll be playing a song, and someone will kind of invite their friend over and play guitar.

Speaker 3 Whereas in LA, they'll be kind of like, What's in it for me? Why would I do that? You know what I mean? Whereas here it's just supportive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I think that's really true, man. I mean, we went out and saw some great music and then you met up with Zach Brown.
Then you're playing with. Yeah, I think it's definitely people,

Speaker 1 it's more of a sharing culture here

Speaker 1 for sure. And it does, yeah, it feels like it's its own place outside of just the possibility of

Speaker 1 making music.

Speaker 3 Totally. I think sometimes when I write, I question how important it is.
Do you know what I mean? That's why, like, I've had moments in the past where

Speaker 3 I struggle with getting music over the line because I'm just like, who cares? And I completely forget about the fact that people listen to it. You know what I mean? I kind of...

Speaker 3 I have dismissed that. And I don't mean who cares.
Like, it's always important to me, but also

Speaker 3 in the past, I've kind of been like, oh, I don't know. You get so caught up in it.
you're just like, Does it really matter? Really? Like, and and and I don't know, yeah.

Speaker 3 So, it's nice to be back at a place where music is the most important thing. It's lovely.

Speaker 3 I think when you kind of go chasing a career, it can be a tricky thing and it can get in the way of doing the right stuff creatively. So, I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Well, do you feel like? I mean, you've had such a great career already.
Do you feel like, um,

Speaker 1 yeah, does it, does a new

Speaker 1 like desire arise in you once you're already doing well? Kind of, um,

Speaker 1 Is it like a maintaining desire? Is it no?

Speaker 3 I think it's a returning.

Speaker 3 For me, it's returning to who I was before doing any of it. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Like you being funny on the porch because it just makes you feel good. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Me playing music at home just because it's the thing I love.

Speaker 3 I have yet to play a show where I come away being like, oh, wow, that was perfect. I'm so happy now.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like when I'm on the tour bus after a gig, like I keep an even keel constantly. I don't come off stage wired or I don't come off stage really sad.
I just kind of like, yeah, it was good.

Speaker 3 And if it was good, I'm happy with it. And if it was bad, it's okay because I'll do it again tomorrow.
But

Speaker 3 yeah, like getting back, I said that last night. Like, I want to be able to play music, like, I don't care.
Do you know what I mean? Like, just, there's no

Speaker 3 thought about like whether it's good or bad. I'm just doing it because it feels

Speaker 3 right. Yeah.
Like, I blow my voice out because I'm just trying so fucking hard all the time. Do you know what I mean? I need to get to a place where I don't feel very confident doing it.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? Not at all.

Speaker 1 Doing what?

Speaker 3 Just performing for people. Like,

Speaker 3 I self-analyze constantly

Speaker 3 to the point that it's detrimental. But then, like, I think a lot of musicians do that, right? Like, you're harding yourself.
You're harding yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're harding yourself. You want to do your best.

Speaker 3 Totally. Yeah, I guess.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's something I got out of your stuff, too. It's like, I felt like, I felt

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 I want to give everything that I'm capable of while I'm here.

Speaker 3 Yes. Yeah, of course.
It's only last night. Like you talked about.

Speaker 1 While I I exist, even. While I exist, I want to get everything

Speaker 1 that is possible

Speaker 3 out of me. Definitely.
You know, like having played sport for such a long time when I was a kid, that felt like such a powerful feeling.

Speaker 3 And I think sometimes I'm trying to get that feeling from music.

Speaker 3 And so, yeah, I just, I think...

Speaker 3 Like, if you play well in a match or a game or whatever, the reason you feel like you leave nothing out there. And I take that into music, I think.

Speaker 3 And I think it's important to not be competitive as a musician,

Speaker 3 but sometimes I I can take the gigs in a competitive way you know and just make sure you have nothing left I think that kind of feels important

Speaker 3 what what happened with sports with football I just wasn't good enough really yeah damn I was all right don't get me wrong I wasn't but like I always I'm always conscious of if I was on here being like oh yeah I had to decide between soccer and music there'd be someone in Dublin and be like arsehole not true yeah you know what I mean I was all right but I wasn't doing that yeah yeah no way and that's like the biggest sport over there.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, have you seen that road bowling?

Speaker 3 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't know what it is. I like.
Really? Well, I know what it is.

Speaker 1 I follow them on TikTok. Do you really?

Speaker 3 Have you seen the stone lifting?

Speaker 1 No, I haven't, but I know this is people, and these are adults, most of them, it looks like. Yeah.
And they get up

Speaker 3 in Shannonvale.

Speaker 4 Shout it off, I'm lovely. Shout it off, I'm lovely from Tim Young.

Speaker 4 Not a bad effort at all.

Speaker 1 And they throw a ball.

Speaker 1 And this is a real thing that happens. This isn't like a

Speaker 1 prank.

Speaker 1 They throw a ball down a street

Speaker 1 and try to get it as far as they can, and they want to get to a certain finish line in the least amount of tries. So it's kind of like golf just with your hand.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's an iron ball.

Speaker 1 It's a steel ball.

Speaker 3 You should look up the stone lifting. The stone lifting seems to be back in a major way.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Play one more of those. I want to see.

Speaker 1 We got to... Because here's Huff Huff Wayne Parks here going.

Speaker 1 Turn it up, bump.

Speaker 5 13,800 Euroside.

Speaker 2 Greet Cancer Research.

Speaker 1 Charity McCander.

Speaker 3 And Sean and Beale. Here we go.
He runs so far.

Speaker 3 What a big, big shot. That's right.

Speaker 3 What a big, big shot from Hume Park.

Speaker 1 It's the best thing that I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 How much do they get? They say $13,800.

Speaker 1 No-oh, really? Oh, 13,800 a side, and Wayne Parks is on fire.

Speaker 3 Good man, Wayne Park. Wow.

Speaker 3 And now certain things are back. There's like there's people lifting stones at like 300 kilos and stuff.

Speaker 3 It's probably on TikTok. I feel like it's a big thing again.

Speaker 1 Lifting stones.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like, and they're awkward, you know. It's like random.
It's not like those big round ones. It's like a proper

Speaker 3 awkward stone in a field.

Speaker 1 There we go. Let's see it.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 Holy,

Speaker 3 let's go.

Speaker 3 Come on.

Speaker 3 Pull it, John. That's it.

Speaker 1 Come on, John.

Speaker 3 Holy f John, John.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Come on.

Speaker 3 Holy fuck, John.

Speaker 1 Those are his coaches.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. When I'm not on guard, I'm not.
Let's go.

Speaker 3 Woo!

Speaker 3 Holy shit.

Speaker 3 Let's go, one.

Speaker 3 So strong. Oh, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Now, how high do you have to get up? I guess you have to get it above your waistline, it looks like.

Speaker 3 I feel like it needs to be on your chest, yeah.

Speaker 1 Play one more of those. That's unbelievable.
I mean, that is a huge.

Speaker 3 Strong people, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a huge stone. Play that top one.
Just play the top one.

Speaker 1 Oh, and this is a more rounded stone.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 This guy wants to make an omelet.

Speaker 1 And there's his brother who can't.

Speaker 1 Talking shit all the day, probably.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. This is crazy.
This is, yeah, there's something so Irish about all this, I think.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 I feel like I've seen it before.

Speaker 1 Told you it's a strong one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what's that guy's name? Yeah, mate.

Speaker 3 But the awkward ones.

Speaker 3 Justin Shane.

Speaker 1 Tom Saltman official.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow. Where's that, England?

Speaker 3 Strongest Brothers in his t-shirt.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're both strong then.

Speaker 3 It does seem one-size-fits-all. He's doing all the work.
Yeah, but I will say this.

Speaker 1 One of them is doing a lot of the work, lads.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that road bowling. Play one more of those.
I just couldn't. See if you can find Pa.
I'm trying to think Pa.

Speaker 1 There we go. Play that one in.
Gary Daly there. Oh, he's an off-duty police officer.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I never really knew this. Well, I knew it was a thing, but I didn't know people got it.

Speaker 1 You throw it into a crowd of people. That's the crazy part.
And some of them move, and sometimes they don't move. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Look at that one. 3.2 million views.
Wow. 50 grand.

Speaker 1 Wow, it's a massive amount of money. What is that? 50 pounds, yeah?

Speaker 3 50,000 Euro.

Speaker 1 Find the one with Pa, somebody, right there.

Speaker 3 Who is this lady that's just constantly doing?

Speaker 1 That's Michelle Smith. Oh, Pa Flood right there.
See what she says about him. Go up.

Speaker 5 Road Bowls in Ireland.

Speaker 3 So just to let you know, do you know you've been

Speaker 3 following

Speaker 5 approximately 20 past three on Road Bowls in Ireland on Facebook? So

Speaker 5 who's going to win? And it's a qualifier to take part in the King and Queen of the Roads Festival 2024 happening in September.

Speaker 1 That's Pa Flood versus Columb Rafferty.

Speaker 3 Colum Rafferty.

Speaker 5 Huge big thrower from County Armagh, and Pa Flood needs no introduction here. So tune in in about 20 minutes.

Speaker 3 We should have gone to the half an hour. I tried.

Speaker 1 Did you read it? Yeah, they were out of

Speaker 1 Cork.

Speaker 5 Michelle here from Road Bowls in Ireland.

Speaker 1 Far away or they were in Europe

Speaker 1 somewhere. There was one that actually made a little message to me.

Speaker 3 There you go. Shortest bowl in history.

Speaker 1 Shortest bowl in history. Let's see.
That's Pa Flood right there.

Speaker 3 That's him?

Speaker 1 That's him, yeah. Oh, shit.

Speaker 3 Oh, Bollocks, Paul.

Speaker 3 That was his best work.

Speaker 1 Gosh, my flood, huh?

Speaker 1 Just joking, Paul. That guy will throw one of those through my house.

Speaker 1 Oh, imagine that, though, Lod. You're just

Speaker 3 in your shins. Oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's Michelle Smith official. How much is that? £50,000 for the winner?

Speaker 3 50,000 euro, yeah. So I don't know.
$55,000, probably. Wow.
In and around.

Speaker 1 And look up the rules for road bowling real quick. I just want to read it so I can.
$60,573.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 1 To throw a damn ball down a road.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, I don't know where that money comes from.

Speaker 1 Now, that's a great question, brother. That's an IOU.

Speaker 1 Road bowling is an Irish sport in which competitors attempt to take the fewest throws to propel a metal ball along a predetermined course of country roads.

Speaker 1 The sport originated in Ireland and is mainly played in counties

Speaker 1 Armagh and Cork. Road bowling in Ireland is governed by the voluntary Irish Road Bowling Association.

Speaker 3 Armagh won the All-Ireland this year in the football.

Speaker 1 Oh, they did?

Speaker 1 The bullet or bowl is a solid iron cannonball,

Speaker 1 seven inches circumference, and it weighs 28 ounces. There are two or more players or teams in a match.
The one with the fewest shots to the finish line wins.

Speaker 1 If two players or teams approach the finish line with equal shots, the winners decide about which throw goes farther past the finish line. Wow.

Speaker 3 You should have played this. God, I'd love to.

Speaker 1 I guess you really have to have the shoulders for it.

Speaker 1 Are you lefty

Speaker 1 or righty?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm pretty much righty.

Speaker 3 Normie. I'll do it, but,

Speaker 1 you know. Remember when I was younger, I used to try to eat with my left hand for like, I'd be like, I'm going to change things up.
I'm going to be different.

Speaker 1 And I would do it for like two bites and like, fuck that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 So like fork in your left hand. So you would now eat with a fork in your right hand?

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Now I go fork in my left hand.
Yeah, knife in the right hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But every now and then I try to change it up.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember at home, if you were lefty, this probably happened here too.
If you were writing with your left hand, they would slap you and put the pen in your right hand.

Speaker 3 I remember my dad, my dad's lefty too, and

Speaker 3 they would make him write with his right hand when he was younger. Why they don't like it over there? No, yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's not to say on Google the whole time, but I bet it's like an old Irish thing. There was some weirdness about being lefty, yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.
They just don't want you to be different.

Speaker 3 100%. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. You get like slapped on the back of the hand.

Speaker 1 It says right here, it was all due, it was believed to an unloving refrigerator mother.

Speaker 1 Even as late as the 1900s, some schools in Ireland were still forcing Southpod children to write with their right hands.

Speaker 1 Nowadays, we know that nine out of ten people are right-handed and that left-handedness is likely to be genetic.

Speaker 3 What's a refrigerator mother? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Is that like a Lechkey kid in Ireland?

Speaker 1 The term refrigerator mother was coined by Austrian physicist Leo Kanner in the 1940s to describe a mother whose cold, uncaring style so traumatized her child that they were treated into autist.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 1 So they thought maybe if he was left-handed, he was autistic.

Speaker 1 We had a fellow with Down syndrome in our town, and his mom just thought he was Irish his whole life.

Speaker 1 And it was just crazy, man. Yeah, and he might have been, actually.
She would dress him up in all these Boston Celtic shit all the time. No way.
Oh, it's crazy. Lepregon things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just different, yeah, different, just joyful outfits.

Speaker 3 That poet yesterday, the guy we were doing the show with, I had green shoes on and he called me a leprechaun within five minutes. I had never met him before and yeah, called me a leprechaun.

Speaker 1 It's terrible. Yeah, he was kind of outgoing like that.
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he kind of had a couple of pops.

Speaker 1 Do people get married young in Ireland? What's that like?

Speaker 3 Not so much. I don't know.
What's it like here? I feel like it used to be, but not anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like I would say 30s, early 30s, maybe nowadays. I know my parents got married when they were like 23, so I was just gradually growing up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess I just wonder like how the cultures are super different.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, in a lot of ways, I'd imagine. I mean,

Speaker 3 that guy, Joshua, at the poll last night, he couldn't drink. He was 20 years old.
I mean, in Ireland, that is not the case.

Speaker 1 People can drink there early, eh?

Speaker 3 Well, 18, but you know.

Speaker 1 No, they let him in the pubs as well, some?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially down the country, like after the roll bowling.
Yeah. Everyone's getting in, I'd imagine, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. Yeah, Cork was something else.
I couldn't even believe when we got there. I was like, this is so wild.

Speaker 3 You played the marquee too.

Speaker 1 That's great. Yeah, in the tent there.

Speaker 3 I played there one time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's brilliant.

Speaker 1 It was totally different. The acoustics were a little bit different in there.

Speaker 3 Do you have to change your set in a cultural way? Probably not, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, I learned stuff about like Belfast when I first got there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like the NRA.

Speaker 3 The IRA?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the IRA, yeah. Yes.
And we learned about the IRA and like,

Speaker 1 yeah, like, ooh,

Speaker 3 up the raw.

Speaker 1 We learned about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then we learned fuck England was the big thing we learned.

Speaker 3 You were saying you could just lean on that whenever you wanted to.

Speaker 1 Oh, things got bad, yeah. You just yell it out yes people are great some guy pulled out a sword I'm like who has a sword and I think he worked there yeah

Speaker 3 well that seems it's just security yeah that seems a bit out of sorts but yeah yeah

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What are some musicians that you really admire? I know that's kind of like...

Speaker 3 No, no, no. Jose is a big one for me.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's playing here coming up at the Pilgrimage Festival.

Speaker 3 Oh, I saw that. Yeah.
I was sad because I'll be gone. But he,

Speaker 3 yeah, he just. He's Irish and he.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow. Yeah.
I think sometimes people don't know that. I think I remember someone thought I was talking to someone recently.
They thought he was from here. But he,

Speaker 3 it's just cool. He kind of...

Speaker 3 blew up way before me and

Speaker 3 it's just a nice to see it's kind of a cool role model to have he just carries himself very well I think you know will you keep in touch or hit him up if you have any thoughts yeah definitely not even thoughts but just to talk I think artists don't talk to each other enough yeah like I find it hard to talk to other artists sometimes because I feel like it's very we're all quite selfish and we're all so locked into our own existence that it's tricky sometimes I find it much easier to connect with people who are involved in sports I think that's easier sometimes, but he's, I don't know, it's just cool for me to see him.

Speaker 3 He's got this huge career where he's got so many followers and supporters of his music, but it's always just about the music. You know what I mean? It's just he's inherently him.

Speaker 3 And I think that's a pretty cool thing. And it's good for me to kind of like just see that.
See that? Follow it. Yeah.
Yeah. Definitely.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think of some other Irish musicians.

Speaker 3 You too are obviously probably the biggest ever, but.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 Dude, one time I went to like the MTV movie awards or something. Might have been music awards.

Speaker 1 I think it was music awards, actually. So I got dropped off there.

Speaker 1 I'm walking up and all these people start cheering right and i got like a pass like through the artist pass whatever and i'm walking all these people are cheering and i just like in my head i was like these people are cheering for me yeah yeah and i was like what and then i looked next to me and it was um bono

Speaker 3 yeah were you talking to him

Speaker 1 I said nice glasses. That's what I said.

Speaker 1 Because I didn't know who he was.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 At the time, I was just kind of like, I was 19. And I was like, I didn't have a clue.

Speaker 3 He's the best. You know,

Speaker 3 sometimes when you're talking to somebody that's so famous and has been for such a long time, you kind of feel like you're not getting it. There's nothing beneath the surface.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 With him, it's the complete opposite. Really? You can tell, like, if you were talking to him, it's just full, undivided attention.
Oh, it's like.

Speaker 3 Gives feedback and we'll pay attention to you and stuff. It's great.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've met some. He's got Niall Lauren.

Speaker 3 Yep. Neat guy.

Speaker 1 Who else? Oh, The Cranberries?

Speaker 3 Yep. Van Morrison.
Oh. Tinley's are the best.
Have you listened to Tin Lizzy? Uh-uh. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I got to get in it.

Speaker 3 You like rock and roll? You like the right place trays. Yeah.
Oh, man. Thin Lizzy is.

Speaker 3 That's up yours, Strazza.

Speaker 1 I'll have to get into that. Thin Lizzy.

Speaker 3 Oh, the best. He passed away a long time ago, but he,

Speaker 3 the music's incredible. Wow.

Speaker 3 The boys are back in town. You know that song.

Speaker 1 Where were they?

Speaker 3 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Like, why were they?

Speaker 3 Where were they?

Speaker 1 Does he ever say that?

Speaker 3 I actually do know. Yeah.
They're hanging down at Dino's is the lyric.

Speaker 3 Dino's is here too, but there's a Dino's like restaurant in Dublin. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's it. And that's where they're hanging out.
And where did they come back in town from?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't know. But I think about that all the time.
And I always think about them going on tour back then. It must have just been like, see you soon.
Yeah. Imagine in the 70s.

Speaker 3 And no one knows where you are. No one knows how it's going.
You're not on social media. It must be insane.
And you just come back and kind of, hopefully it went well.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I don't even know if you knew how well it went, really.

Speaker 3 No, never. You just get feedback every night and then a lot of drugs and drinking, though.

Speaker 1 God, that must have been fucking fun, eh? Crazy. Did you ever struggle with any of the gear or whatever they call it over there?

Speaker 3 Nah, man, I find it like, I don't know. Again, like not to harp on about it, but I think sport was crucial for me.
It was just kind of,

Speaker 3 I always, like I tour. When I tour, I'll often do kind of, I feel like it's not sustainable nowadays in music.
It was different back then. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 I don't know how heavily they toured and stuff, but nowadays, touring is so key. Like you'll just, I don't know.
Personally, I wouldn't be able to sustain it at all. No.

Speaker 3 Even drinking, I gotta be careful.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just think it'd just be impossible, like, to be hung on. And then to the response, what is getting to the next place? It just seems like.

Speaker 3 It's not worth it, yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know how people do it.

Speaker 3 No, I know. Yeah, sometimes like, I don't know.
I don't know how some artists do it, but I wouldn't be able.

Speaker 3 Even last night, like I'm tired today from just playing an acoustic set in a cafe last night. I'm very pedestrian.
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 What about the love life, man? How does that look for you?

Speaker 3 It's solid and always has been. Not always has been, but.
Oh, really? You've always been good with the ladies then? No.

Speaker 3 No, no no no no yeah because that's kind of I've always been good with one lady yeah oh yeah not in a corny way that's the corniest thing I've ever said do people know that's how experience hey yeah kind of I don't talk about it much but I think if people wanted to know they would know yeah oh so you had a lady then for a long time wow yeah yeah I don't see like I'm happy to talk about it but I don't see it as like a relevant part of my career do you know what I mean I don't see it as something to promote she definitely doesn't so it's just our existence outside of my career does it um feel does that inspire some of your music with some of the emo stuff or no?

Speaker 3 What do you mean the emo stuff?

Speaker 1 Like some of the loving type stuff. Definitely.

Speaker 3 All of it.

Speaker 3 That's where it all comes from. And

Speaker 3 yeah, yeah. I never talk about it, but it's all good.
What about you?

Speaker 3 I don't know, dude. I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got to get a wife. I would like to get a wife.
I will say that. I got to get some of my affairs in order

Speaker 3 i got to get some of my affairs in order this feels like a follow-on from the serial killer chat

Speaker 1 this feels like yeah oh yeah dude i've had it like i yeah i mean i date you know it's just hard you're in town you're gone and then you're supposed to be like date you know yeah it just you're like come back three weeks later but i think that's one of the reasons why i stayed in comedy because i was like oh well

Speaker 1 i was had so much trouble like staying in relationships and being committed in relationships I was like, this always gives me an excuse to leave.

Speaker 1 You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, I got to go, you know, and then you come back and they might have found someone else.
Of course. You hope they found somebody else.

Speaker 3 Oh, really? A lot of times. So you can detach from it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, gosh, good luck with Stanley or whatever.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm glad you found him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So things like that. I think,

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think of, yeah, I've just been, I just had, like,

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's just always hard for me to

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 trust somebody.

Speaker 1 I think that was just like the hardest thing. Right.
I just had no idea of how to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was like a foreign practice.

Speaker 3 Trusting somebody. Yeah.
Really? It's trusting somebody. Anybody? Only romantically, friends, anything?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, it even goes over into work and everything a lot of times. Right, yeah.
Yeah. I think I have to really,

Speaker 1 yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Does it like take time?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it takes time. Sometimes you can tell with people kind of easy, easy, but it's been

Speaker 1 just been a tough thing for me over the years. Sure.
And I don't even know why sometimes.

Speaker 3 It's a crazy line of work to be in, too, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah. For that situation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then you're leaving her all the time or something. It's like, so many of my friends have been divorced that are in comedy and stuff like that.
I think it's just a tough go of it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 Do you own any animals, Dermot?

Speaker 3 I have a dog called Tom. That's it.
I miss him dearly.

Speaker 1 He's a puppy. Does he write? Does he write?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Tom, the writing dog. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He is the best. It's the best thing in the world.
I always took the piss out of the emotional support thing, but I believe in it now. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like emotional support dogs, flying with them and stuff.

Speaker 1 Oh, you take him on planes and all?

Speaker 3 I haven't yet, but I will.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're looking forward to it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You think, like, no can, he was in Dublin with his big German Shepherd. And I was like, if he can do that, I've got to be able to get my little puppy on the plane.

Speaker 1 Wow, he took a German Shepherd with him?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Now it's a nice dog.
It's like well-behaved. I think it sleeps under his legs while he's on the flights.
Oh, my God. Yeah, it's bad.
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's the best thing. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Here's a Dublin zoo enlist help of breastfeeding mothers to encourage female orangutan bond with her newborn. So this is happening over one of these guys.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Brilliant.
Well, not brilliant.

Speaker 1 What app did this monkey order this woman off of?

Speaker 1 Because this seems like, and if those are Irish breasts, brother, they're full cream. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 They have, dude, I saw some breasts over there.

Speaker 3 You did?

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 You're, it's like, just like,

Speaker 1 oh, I'm coming home. Tell the world I'm coming home.

Speaker 1 It just feels like the root of time started in them.

Speaker 3 Right, right, right. Lovely.

Speaker 1 I mean, God, they just like the fucking, just beautiful, just like the eyes of the moon.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Just those fucking

Speaker 1 front hammers, baby. You'd see some goddamn...

Speaker 1 I mean, you'd see bread. They literally look looked like they were sculpted out of like,

Speaker 1 you know, just a fine fucking

Speaker 1 thick yogurt.

Speaker 3 This is wild. You thought you said there's no women.

Speaker 1 Oh, but when you saw them, you

Speaker 1 would break. Yeah, or they'd see, yeah, you'd see a fucking shadow coming over you, and it'd be a big tit.

Speaker 1 A woman would have leaned out of a window to look for something.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, you know. You got your eyes peeled constantly.

Speaker 1 Make sure a man was still at the pub, you know?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Because the pubs, yeah, I mean, I went into a pub, no furniture,

Speaker 1 a bunch of guys holding each other up, fucking just yelling and drinking. Yeah.
No furniture. You would go into a pet store, no pets, seven people drinking in there,

Speaker 1 talking about animals.

Speaker 3 You're like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Everything there is just people having a beer, man.

Speaker 3 It's funny, though. You know, like, do you ever see the way Italians like live to be really, really old? Because they all just hang out constantly.

Speaker 3 I like to think Irish people are kind of like that, too. We just need each other.
There's all these like small communities and stuff. They need somewhere to gather.
Definitely. Music's part of that.

Speaker 1 And I grew up in New Orleans and there people were drunk, vomiting. You didn't see it in Ireland, man.
Pukin? Yeah, I didn't see a lot of it. Oh, there's plenty of people.

Speaker 3 Oh, there is.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, and they do it all at once or something?

Speaker 3 I would say it's just like you maybe missed it. There's plenty of it, though.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's the worst feeling in the world. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 I would say that nearly keeps me away from drinking too much is the pukin. I fucking hate it.

Speaker 1 Well, the first part of pukin I don't like, you start to get this little sweat out of like the middle of your neck or top. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Or the saliva. It's like the saliva all over again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like your saliva starts to be like, hey, guess what?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're in trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, you're in trouble.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's pretty hellish.

Speaker 3 So, I like how you take moments to think. Oh, just scan your mind.
I don't have a choice.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I wish I could. Just call upon it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. My brain retired years ago, man.

Speaker 1 Years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and some of the names in our life, I feel like people are trying to have the most Irish name. You'll meet like somebody, A-O-I-F-E.

Speaker 3 Aoife.

Speaker 1 Aoifa. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And that doesn't really spell Aeifa.
Neve.

Speaker 3 We were talking to someone yesterday called Niamh. It's N-I-A-M-H.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's not anything. So it's like you have to have real names if you're even going to.

Speaker 3 You should guess some. These are very run-of-the-mill.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 3 You got some spicier names.

Speaker 1 Bring up very hard to spell Irish names, but without the answers.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Count.

Speaker 1 Cowan. Cow and he.

Speaker 3 Count me. Come on.

Speaker 3 Cuiva.

Speaker 1 All right. Nope.

Speaker 1 Sioban.

Speaker 3 That's nice, but it's Siobhan.

Speaker 1 Siobhan. Okay.
I didn't know they had black people there. All right.
Rur Rorde.

Speaker 3 Rory.

Speaker 3 That's nice. Yeah, Rory.

Speaker 3 Oh, Rory.

Speaker 3 That would be like Rory.

Speaker 3 D-H,

Speaker 3 like, it's like silent.

Speaker 1 Okay, they spelled it so you know at home, R-U-A-I-D-H-R-I.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So they don't spell it like Rory.

Speaker 1 The next one, T-A-D-G-H, Tada.

Speaker 3 Or

Speaker 3 Tig. Taig.
Tig. Tig.
Tig.

Speaker 1 Okay. And the next one, N-I-A-M-H.

Speaker 1 Noah.

Speaker 3 No, Neve. Neve.
Neve. Just N-E-E-V.
Neve.

Speaker 1 And then the next one, another one that's not real. S-A-O-I-R-S-E.

Speaker 1 Siri.

Speaker 3 Sirsha.

Speaker 1 Sirsha. Sircha, yeah.
Oh, this is unbelievable. And then I'll do this last one because I've seen this one before.

Speaker 3 These are good now. We're, we're okay.

Speaker 1 Here we go, too. G-R-A-I-N-N-E.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Granny.
Grania. Grania.
That's the closest you've been.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's beautiful, actually. Yeah.
And this one right here is not anything, but I'll read it. B-L-A-T-H-N-A-I-D.

Speaker 1 Blottonide.

Speaker 1 Blottonide.

Speaker 3 Blottoned. Blonded.
Yeah, you're doing all right.

Speaker 1 All right, here's one right here. C-A-O-C-A-C-A-O-I-L-F-H-I-O-N-N.

Speaker 3 Kill.

Speaker 1 Kevin.

Speaker 3 That one is even weird for me.

Speaker 3 I would say Qualin. Qualin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's just

Speaker 1 everybody you meet over there, you're like, I'm Quailin' Madonna Garge, you know. Yeah, yeah, but I see that here, too.

Speaker 3 Oh, yes, true. You know what I mean? Everyone, I was in the boot barn last weekend, and there was a guy called Lachlan.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah, and he was like, I'm Irish.
You know, he just claims it.

Speaker 1 No, shit.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What about the new album? So are you working on a new album? What is it like for you right now?

Speaker 3 Yes, I am. I have

Speaker 3 written, I would say,

Speaker 3 25 to 30 songs, and

Speaker 3 yeah, but it goes crazy. It's kind of like you can do as many as you want, you could do hundreds.
And, like, I know, do you remember that song that Rihanna had? Um, I want you to stay,

Speaker 3 uh, not really sure how I feel about it. That song, no, I was with the fella that featured on that song

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 huge success. And then the second album, he wrote 250 songs.
So it's just like, at what point do you kind of call it? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 And then I've heard Billie Eilish do interviews where she says if the album is 12 songs i've written 12 songs and that's it so i'd be like i'd rather be like that it's crazy to me the idea of throwing songs out you know i don't know why i would do that so i got a bunch now and i feel good about them i i never know that's what i'm saying is like i analyze myself too much and i think sometimes i lose perspective and i could have the best song in the world but i can't see it you know and do you is there certain people you go to to get really clear perspective no

Speaker 3 no

Speaker 3 I don't play music to anyone.

Speaker 3 Anybody. Yeah, because if it's good feedback, I'll be like, yeah, I know.
And if it's bad, then I'll be aggressive.

Speaker 1 Wow. So what about a management or an agent or anything?

Speaker 3 Yeah, some of that. But then that's hard too, right? Because you kind of question like,

Speaker 3 what are people's criteria? You know, to me, I only care that it's good. But then they might be like, well, this song could be successful.
And it's like, what does that mean? Right.

Speaker 3 You know, it could stink, but it could like, it could send me down the wrong path musically, but it could make money on the radio. I don't know.
So you got to do the right thing.

Speaker 1 And do you,

Speaker 1 will you choose a certain number out of those?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I like 10.

Speaker 3 I know, like, I've seen like Morgan Wallen's album with like 37 songs and stuff. I don't know if I'm able for that kind of thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah. I mean, different people have different stuff.

Speaker 3 Definitely.

Speaker 3 Hmm.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I wonder like, yeah, would I be scared? God, it's just got to be so scary putting an album out.

Speaker 3 Hmm. Yeah, it's going to define your life for two or three years, you know?

Speaker 1 It's almost like throwing a stick of dynamite into a room or something. Definitely.
And then what if you don't hear anything?

Speaker 3 It may not go off. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, you never know.
I think, like,

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 3 that definitely scares me sometimes. And

Speaker 3 it might not happen. You know what's almost even worse is that middle of the road, kind of just like some people like it and boring.
Yeah. For me, what's funny is like, I've never had a song go crazy.

Speaker 3 Do you know what I mean? Like, I've never had a song. Like, I play big venues in most places, but like, I can walk around all day and no one knows who I am.

Speaker 3 So, I think I kind of exist in a sweet spot to some degree. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think for me, it's like a careful what I wish for scenario sometimes because my life is still very normal, but then I get to go on stage and do very abnormal things, you know.

Speaker 3 Like, if I had to stay in my hotel room all day, because I can't go, that would make me sad, definitely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're almost like Clark Kent, kind of,

Speaker 1 you know, or Claire,

Speaker 3 yeah, Quaylin, Quaylin, kinship.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 3 yeah, I just

Speaker 1 just because you have some anonymity still.

Speaker 3 Definitely. There was one time

Speaker 3 you do have a chip on your shoulder sometimes, though. I do.

Speaker 3 Like I was playing for a football team in New York, and we were at training one night, and one guy was like, Are you playing shows or whatever? And I was like, Yeah, I'm playing a show at the garden.

Speaker 3 And he was like, Oh, cool. Are you like part of a bigger bill? Are you supporting somebody? And I'm constantly just like, no, it's my show.
Like, people will be there, hopefully.

Speaker 3 So I think people are constantly surprised how big the shows are because

Speaker 3 I don't feel like a very famous person, which is lovely, honestly.

Speaker 1 That's the way you don't, yeah. I think you keep like a you seem like a pretty regular demeanor.
Nicer, man.

Speaker 1 Which I think is probably one of the best compliments you can get. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then to go and have that many people show up for something, yeah, that's pretty freaking unbelievable.

Speaker 3 It's not.

Speaker 3 I think like if I feel lucky in the sense that

Speaker 3 before I did all this, if I had a checklist of what I wanted, I feel quite lucky. I feel like I've ticked most boxes, which is nice.
You know, my life hasn't changed. I get to play to lots of people.

Speaker 3 I get to decide what music I put out.

Speaker 3 That feels good to me. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How long do you think your album will come out? Or do you have a plan on it?

Speaker 3 Does it matter? I don't. I'm trying not to care.
It matters, but I don't know how you fill up through people. Yeah, definitely.
But you do. Yeah, like,

Speaker 3 will people stick around? You know what I mean? Like, I think in music, you kind of have to stay...

Speaker 3 relevant and stay present and release music all the time

Speaker 3 you know i think it's

Speaker 3 i think you have to kind of do stuff constantly and constantly bring stuff out. But

Speaker 3 you got to be careful too, because if people just get bored, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 I would love to, I'd love to bring out an album definitely in less than a year, but I'm not in a hurry to do it either. I would rather have a good one.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 I don't think it needs to be just constantly doing it.

Speaker 1 And the tour off of it, yeah. Like we've been doing touring very slow.
We'll do like chunks. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's three years now to do the tour. Oh, man.
But it's fine.

Speaker 3 Yeah, people don't care. As long as you show up, people don't care.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, and it's been good. And I couldn't handle doing like a seven-month tour or something.

Speaker 3 I've seen like, who did I see? I saw Matt McCusker's tour. And it was just every weekend, like a couple shows.
I was just, that must be so sweet to do shows and go home.

Speaker 3 But music, you can't do that because you got like abandoned crew on the road and you're paying everyone every day. So you just, you'd be bankrupt immediately.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. You got to do it all.
Yeah. Definitely.
When you have such a squad. How much?

Speaker 1 Do you have a big band supporting you when you go out?

Speaker 3 There's, what is it? There's like six of us on stage. Oh, Irish.

Speaker 3 No, two of us Irish. And then

Speaker 3 everyone else is from Australia, Switzerland, and the UK. Ooh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pretty diverse. Yes, indeed.

Speaker 3 But it's important.

Speaker 3 Even though it's a solo project, I think it has to feel like, I hate when a songwriter, it looks like it's them and their employees. I think that's crap.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think it makes for a bad musical connection. I think you want to feel like a band.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What makes that happen?

Speaker 3 I think,

Speaker 3 I mean, bottom line, the way you treat people, you know, and you give people creative freedom, you let them play the way they want to play. I think if you stifle it and

Speaker 3 sort of restrict people too much, it stops being fun. Do you know what I mean? I think people come to see my show to see that musical interaction.
It's not just me playing. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 I think it's weird sometimes when

Speaker 3 you see a solo artist and their band is just kind of in the background and not really part of the show. That's weird to me.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What, um,

Speaker 1 uh, where'd you meet your gal at?

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 what,

Speaker 3 25 years ago, probably at home.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah, yeah.
At home, or was she going door to door?

Speaker 3 No, she wasn't, but we were, uh, we were. Is that your sister?

Speaker 1 Is it something?

Speaker 3 No, we grew up in the same area. And yeah, it's a very like, it's a very sort of high school sweethearts thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's so, there is some romance right there, then.

Speaker 3 Definitely.

Speaker 1 There's something romantic about that. And is that, yeah, I guess Ireland makes me just think everything seems like

Speaker 1 fairy tale over there a bit.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Sometimes too much.
Certain movies and stuff, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 What was there?

Speaker 1 Oh, I wonder if you're talking about Gangs in New York.

Speaker 3 That one's kind of cool, though. There was like this movie recently, The Irish Wish or P.S.
I Love You, those types of things. They're terrible, yeah.

Speaker 1 Get fucked. Yeah.
If your wife, yeah, if you found your wife in a wishing well or something, you're out of your fucking mind, dude.

Speaker 3 Could happen. You could do it.
Hey, look.

Speaker 1 That's true, man. You need to go back.
Oh, yeah. Oh, I want to go back so bad.
I want to do a couple more spots there and maybe do one more.

Speaker 1 I think I owe a little bit better of a show to maybe Belfast.

Speaker 1 It was good, but I think I wanted, you know, you just want to do it better.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I like the way you say I tried my best at the end of your shows.
I think that's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thanks, man. I think I usually, I definitely,

Speaker 1 99% of the time I feel that way, that I tried my best. Now, the outcome sometimes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but then that sentiment stands above everything right like even if it doesn't go the way you want it to Yeah, tried my best, you know Yeah, people appreciate it too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think people appreciate it. I think so.
That's probably a good point

Speaker 1 What uh what will you do when you get back to Ireland like what's something you look forward to doing I will I like

Speaker 3 to write music every day and to to be like in the studio every single day I know it's a very privileged thing to say, but it's a very taxing thing. I got tired of it.

Speaker 3 So like I'll go just I where I live is in the middle of nowhere. So I'll just be in the forest every day with the dog.
Do you have a dog?

Speaker 1 No, I would like to get a dog. As soon as I quit touring, in like seven months, I'm going to try to get some kind of dog.

Speaker 3 It's the best thing I've done. Yeah.
Oh, man. Yeah.
It's just like a companion. It kind of, it's a nice injection of real life as well in amongst all the weirdness.
It's just nice.

Speaker 3 And it's this thing that would die if you didn't look after it. So

Speaker 3 it's a powerful feeling.

Speaker 1 You guys got a, is it a staffy over there what you got?

Speaker 3 No, teeny little scruffy terrier. No.
Yeah. And it's a rescue.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Everything is in Ireland, huh? Everything.

Speaker 3 I'm a rescue. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If he's a male, is he?

Speaker 3 He is male. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Good.
He's still got his cojones.

Speaker 1 Well, he won't be using them. There's no girls up there.

Speaker 3 That's true. There's nothing.
Yeah. I'll have to bring him to America.

Speaker 1 Dermot Kennedy, thanks so much, man. Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
Thank you for all the awesome music, man.

Speaker 1 Thanks for like, yeah, just kind of sharing like whatever you can to the best of your ability.

Speaker 3 Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 That's kind of how I feel when I listen to your stuff. And yeah, I had a great time.
Thanks for inviting me last night. And yeah, thanks for the ticket, dude.

Speaker 3 It was awesome. Not at all.
Thanks for going.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man. Yeah, cheers on you, bro.

Speaker 6 Now, I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

Speaker 3 I must be

Speaker 3 cornerstone.

Speaker 3 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind. I found I can feel it

Speaker 3 in my bones.

Speaker 3 But it's gonna take

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