Week 4 NFL Must-Win Teams, NIL Wild West, "Business Decisions", Ohtani the GOAT?

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Speaker 2 At the Cam Hammer, unfun take. If legendary player, sportscaster, don't want fans wearing jerseys, hell, nobody should buy merch then.

Speaker 2 Matter of fact, let's lower the TV contracts and the salaries, too. Oh, wow.
I got a, what is it? Don James Sports, horrible take at Matt Leonard QB, and I love you. Like, just a double sword.

Speaker 2 Just like, God, I love you, but you suck.

Speaker 2 And here we go. Another episode of Throwbacks coming at you right now.
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Speaker 2 Everything is throwback show. It's very easy.
So yeah, subscribe to us on YouTube. But Matt, the social media interaction, before we get going today.
What do you mean? What happened this week?

Speaker 2 You know, you had a strong take and we're going to talk about it later in the show about grown men leaving the house in jerseys and here you are today if you're audio only matt is wearing a laker jersey but by the way not just a laker jersey the laker jersey the the kobe bryant the jersey that i've owned for about 15 years okay i actually actually

Speaker 2 there is a there is a photo out there i

Speaker 2 okay i did wear this jersey to a laker game i did okay well listen save it there there is a picture out there, and I will post this. We will post this on the show.

Speaker 2 There is a picture out there of me wearing this jersey talking to Kobe on the court, but that is the last time I wore this jersey in public. Well, some might say that's a little hypocritical.

Speaker 2 A lot of you out there on

Speaker 2 Instagram, though.

Speaker 2 We actually pulled your comments because this is the first time either of us have faced public pressure from a take. Happens all the time to the takers, all those takers.

Speaker 2 But now you had a take and you're getting public pressure. Will Maddie Ice back down? And also, another fun thing for the show today, okay?

Speaker 2 This is a, this is kind of a, we're featuring the Leinerts heavily. We have Josie Leinert joining us

Speaker 2 on the show today. Well, you know what? The wives are going to make a lot of appearances throughout throwbacks, right? Because we're going to talk, you know, parents and,

Speaker 2 I mean, our better halves. Listen,

Speaker 2 I think we want to give the people, the listeners, what they want. They want to hear the wives just talk down on us.
Okay. That's fine.
But my wife is also just a badass attorney and

Speaker 2 NIL and all these things and just a big week in NIL.

Speaker 2 So she's going to kind of break down what all that means and kind of the world of NIL, which is going to, it's just fascinating because it's just, it's ever-changing.

Speaker 2 I mean, daily, not just like weekly, monthly, daily. Yeah, we're going to get a story a day.
I feel like obviously all this, a lot of us are focused on UNLV now.

Speaker 2 So we definitely want to ask Josie about that because it's going to be a story a day or at least weekly as it as it all progresses. But

Speaker 2 you were just in Ohio. You were just in Ohio, right? We were at Ohio State.
I mean,

Speaker 2 I mean, listen, just an easy dub for them. But more importantly, buddy, I mean, Jeter.

Speaker 2 I was gone. I was gone.

Speaker 2 How was he? I followed your life on Instagram.

Speaker 2 How was the weekend?

Speaker 2 So, yeah, I would have loved to have seen you in Columbus, but I went to the Bahamas. Now, look, folks, it still shocks me that I get this invitation.
This is not like a look how cool I am.

Speaker 2 I go to the Jeter invitation. I still can't believe I'm there.
It takes everything in me to not

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 once you're in, you're in. Right.
But it's not, yes, although you could get banned if you don't act. If you don't act right, you could get a lifetime ban.

Speaker 2 But, you know, I grew up on those 90s Yankees teams. So when you walk into a hotel to check in, and then right behind you, it's like Tino Martinez and Jorge Posada.

Speaker 2 It's just a wild experience as a baseball fan. And it was so fun to be there with all these Hall of Fame baseball players and amazing baseball players.
And then Otani does what he does.

Speaker 2 We'll talk about that later because we got to start locking into baseball as the playoffs are a week. Wow.

Speaker 2 What was the best part of the weekend? I know you had

Speaker 2 closest to the pin.

Speaker 2 I saw you a little gambling in the casino. Yeah, what was the best part? Now, I was also joined by my fellow entourage co-stars, Kevin Connolly and Kevin Dillon.

Speaker 2 So it's always nice to, you know, in a land filled with athletes to not be the only non-athlete there. So that was cool.
Closest to this pin, which we spoke about.

Speaker 2 What I did not know this year, last year I didn't win. This year, I didn't win.
What I didn't know is we were going to do, we were going to basically get roasted while swinging.

Speaker 2 Anthony Anderson, who we all love, was on the microphone with Ahmad Rashad.

Speaker 2 roasting every player that came up. It didn't matter who.
It could have been Cece, Sabathia, me, Connolly.

Speaker 2 But sure enough, at one point with like four people to go, Kevin Connolly with his little hockey swing, good, good little golf swing, puts it on and he's like, I don't know, six, seven feet away.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh my God, I'm going to have to hear about Kevin Connolly winning closest to the pin for the rest of my life. I was rooting for him, though.
I wanted one of us to represent.

Speaker 2 And then, sure enough, who do you think steps up? The crime dog, Fred McGrath. Fred McGrath.
One of the most beautiful left. Of course, he has a beautiful

Speaker 2 hockey swing. And then he stuck it like four feet.
He edged out Connolly by less than two feet. And they give him a champion.
You get a championship belt. I was going to say, what do you win?

Speaker 2 You get a championship belt. That's pretty cool.
And

Speaker 2 you don't get a car or anything. You don't get a car.
You don't get any of that.

Speaker 2 You get pride. But a few takeaways, there was a bunch of takeaways.

Speaker 2 When you get back together with the boys from Entourage, is it like, I know you talked to them. Is it like, dude, years haven't gone by? It's the same old shenanigans and all that with those guys.

Speaker 2 Yes. So, you know, at one time after one of the dinners dinners and stuff, we went to go gamble.
Kevin Dylan, this is as Kevin Dylan as it gets right here. I'm already laughing.

Speaker 2 I don't even know what's going on. Hey, bro, we got to play some craps.
I got a new method. It's called the Iron Cross.
I'm like, okay, let's go. So this sounds like an opening to a bad joke.

Speaker 2 It was me, Dylan, Connolly, and Johnny Damon go walking up to a craps table. Now, Johnny Damon is, by the way, a stud.
Loved hanging with him. It's so fun.
He's rocking.

Speaker 2 On one hand, he's got the 09 Yankees Championship ring. On the other hand, he's got the 04 Red Sox Championship ring.
He's got them both on. Air back, just looking amazing.

Speaker 2 And we all buy in for a bunch of money and Dylan's telling us what to bet. And I lost my shirt.
Johnny lost his shirt. Connolly lost it.
The only one who won was Dylan. Wait,

Speaker 2 what's the Iron Cross? The Iron Cross is basically you're covering every number on the field. You're covering the field.
You're covering the six and eight.

Speaker 2 You're basically not winning a lot, but you're also not losing a lot.

Speaker 2 And somehow to the point where people were coming up to, it wasn't just us later, like Dexter Fowler and Cliff Lloyd came up to Dylan and gave him the Iron Cross sign.

Speaker 2 Isn't that the best around a craps table when

Speaker 2 there's a couple guys, it gets rowdy, loud, all of a sudden there's just like 50 people just hollering.

Speaker 2 By the way, you can win a hell of a lot of money real quick, or you can lose a hell of a lot of money. We got waved off.
At one point, I think there was some friend.

Speaker 2 I don't know if they were people at the event or they were playing in the pit on the crap table the high roller area and one guy like waved us up to come hang out and another guy waved us off because they were on a heater and I don't think they wanted us messing up the vibes of the table but it was just it was just awesome like I played the first day with Cliff Floyd

Speaker 2 the wife

Speaker 2 yeah Cliff Floyd yeah brie uh brie was there right good little uh Bree was there guys Bree was there on the well I didn't really get to see her because the golf is every day but Bree was at a water park she was on the mission did she get a message.

Speaker 2 I mean, she's just chilling at that point. It's just like a vacation,

Speaker 2 yes, you know, see old friends, spend some time, have a lone time, and all that. But it was incredible, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it was really humbling to see, like I said, I mentioned Cliff Floyd playing with him the first day, and he's a good golfer.

Speaker 2 I don't know how long he's been golfing, but he's just ripping 340-yard drives. Just like I don't need to hit in those situations, I'm just like, all right, we'll go play, we'll go play cliffs.

Speaker 2 But you, Matt, have to just start playing for nothing else consistently just to come to i know i know it'd be good for throwbacks it'll be good for throwbacks i'm telling you the next time you come to la we're playing um

Speaker 2 in an event like that curious from your perspective who who like we talk about fandom and like hey like if i see an actor someone like oh dude that's so-and-so

Speaker 2 who are you just like i mean jeter is the captain jeter is kind of a god in baseball and sports but is there someone that weekend that you're like dude that's dude that's fred mcgriff that's pretty rad was there someone there this weekend last well last year it was ken griffey jr yeah i was i was nervous he's a beast i was asking him i wanted to make golf shoes out of his old baseball shoe i'm like can we make that into a golf shoe that would be amazing you know jeter's always the one and like i said he's just always been very cool to me over the years i haven't seen him a ton but yeah and what's cool about this event they showed some video and it wasn't just like oh jeter started doing really well with the Yankees and then years in started this charity like there was a video of like him and his dad in 95 when he was you know i don't even think he had the ring yet when he started like he was a he was a child almost he's like 20 years old so turn two has been going for a long time uh and then the last part is the performance the musical performance was flowrider and man i it's stuck in my head now for days

Speaker 2 i can't get it out i

Speaker 2 posted what was it whistle i can't get whistle out of my head it's it's ingrained in my brain by the way i saw flow i saw flowrider in uh vegas one night at a club it was awesome he's actually one of my favorite favorite guys.

Speaker 2 Club can't handle me now. Underrated.
Yeah, you don't realize how many

Speaker 2 hits after hits. Yeah, one after another.
Like, oh, my God, these are all. I remember being in a club when I heard this for the first time.
So it was awesome. What a weekend, buddy.
What a weekend.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Got to see, it was really interesting to see Otani do some stuff.
And then all the, you know, all these baseball players. And the vibe was very much.

Speaker 2 Screw this guy, man. It's not fair.
Like, this is a good thing. He's just so good.
Yeah, it's just, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, we might get into it later, but I tweeted out just like, I think he's the best player of all time.

Speaker 2 And I know he's got a lot of, look, I know what he's 30.

Speaker 2 Dude, is he 30? I think he's 30. I think he's a little old.
I thought he was like 26, 25.

Speaker 2 But look, I mean, Barry Bonds, in my opinion, I know you can talk about the asterisk, whatever, like Barry Bonds is just arguably the greatest player of all time.

Speaker 2 You can go back to Willie Mays and all that, but like. Like what he is doing, and he's not even pitching this year.
That's the thing. Like that dude could win.

Speaker 2 That dude might win a triple crown and and a cy young in the same year like that's possible he's the only person on the planet that can do that it's just that single single best performance i think we've ever seen in baseball that game do you think yeah well let's let's save it we'll we'll get into our i have a big question for you when in regards to that and baseball and as we gear up for the playoffs but i i mean big week in college football just passed and we got a big week coming up i figure you know i want to check in with you and i know you you know this is what you do you know big noon is going, I don't even know where you're going.

Speaker 2 I can't wait to ask you where you're going next, but we're going to do Leinert's leaderboards.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to quick hit you a couple of easy questions just to get your temperature on what you're seeing, okay? Because I can't do it the way you can. Are you ready? I'm ready, dude.
All right.

Speaker 2 Leinerts leaderboard. Who's the Heisman leader right now?

Speaker 2 I think the Heisman leader, and this is based on the odds, is Cam Ward from Miami.

Speaker 2 Absolute stud, you know, came back to school, came from Washington State,

Speaker 2 just has made Miami relevant again and a legit playoff team. I think he's playing really, really well.

Speaker 2 Travis Hunter is the other one. And we're actually, we're going to be at UCF Colorado this week.
So we'll be in Orlando for this game,

Speaker 2 which is cool. So Travis Hunter is just doing something that

Speaker 2 just we don't see really in any sport. We kind of just talked about Otani being a two-way player, right? Can pitch and can hit and all those things.

Speaker 2 But in football, what he's been able to do, and we've seen a couple players in the past, you know, Charles Woodson is the one that won the Heisman in 97, I believe,

Speaker 2 but mainly as a defensive back. You know, he had a couple returns, had a couple things on offense, but like he just had one of those years.

Speaker 2 And then he had that moment, right, where he had the part return, all that.

Speaker 2 Travis Hunter is elite. on both sides of the ball.
I think he's averaging like 130 snaps a game. Like think about that, dude.

Speaker 2 that is mind-boggling. And to be the best, like, to be the best player on the field, arguably, every time you're on the field, whatever side you want to go, hey, I'm going to be a corner today.
Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm going to be a top five pick in the corner. Hey, I'm going to be a receiver today.
I'm probably going to be a top 15 pick. Like, it's bananas, dude, what he's doing.

Speaker 2 Well, his story is going to be interesting because, yeah, I... Again, throwing it back to the days of Deion and Bo Jackson and two sport athletes, something I don't think we'll ever see again.

Speaker 2 And then you always hear about, you know, Russell Wilson. Yes, he's drafted by the Seahawks, but could have had a Major League Baseball career, potentially he was drafted.

Speaker 2 But this is different where you're doing two things in one sport. And is that even sustainable at an NFL level? I don't know if it is.
I think

Speaker 2 it's a lot of snaps. And again,

Speaker 2 the step from college to pros is just different. You know, you're lining up against Pro Bowl receiver.
I mean,

Speaker 2 you're just going to get worn out in the NFL. And that's not a discredit to Travis Hunter.
It's just going to be for him to be an elite player on both sides of the ball at the next level.

Speaker 2 It's just, I wouldn't put it past him trying. I just don't see NFL is a different ballgame, man.
It is a different ball game.

Speaker 2 And don't, don't, you think this kid plays receiver, right? Think about this. He plays a series and he's running a couple routes and all that.

Speaker 2 Then all of a sudden, the next series, he's going, you know, like, you don't think these quarterbacks are DK Metcalf or AJ? Like, hey, dude, like, let's go pick on Trey.

Speaker 2 He just ran three go routes this series. Right.
Like, no, like, people are smart. They do that.

Speaker 2 college is a little different so it'll be interesting though he's a fascinating player fascinating story um and i'm excited to see him see him this year you know what i wanted to ask you too and i said this was going to be quick hit and now i'm starting to dive into it's fine dude you know

Speaker 2 you are unique in a sense because you know you won a heisman and then you had a teammate win a heisman right so at this stage you know four games in a third of the way in a quarter of the way in whatever you start hearing we all like to like we're talking about it today.

Speaker 2 A million other shows are going to talk about the Heisman. What is that like in the locker room when even your team knows like, all right, you're a candidate.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, what I know you're not supposed to focus on that because it's a team sport and you guys are chasing championships as well. Some teams only really have the Heisman candidates.

Speaker 2 See, they're not,

Speaker 2 dude, it's pretty cool. Like for me, I was obviously different.
You know, the year, the year I won,

Speaker 2 I didn't really think much of it because it kind of like, you always talk about like games and moments. Um,

Speaker 2 I, my Heisman moment at that point was Notre Dame, and that was like, Hey, national television, I threw for 400 yards, five touchdowns.

Speaker 2 Two years prior, Carson Palmer won it at USC, kind of in the same game. So, I kind of knew going into that game, like, hey, dude, this is kind of a moment, but I never really focused on it.

Speaker 2 And to be honest, that year, now when I came back for my senior year, I had zero pressure on me about the Heisman. I was in, I finished third, but I could care less.

Speaker 2 For Reggie, we all knew our coaches, Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkeesian, and they would probably tell you this, like we were trying to get him the Heisman trophy every single week.

Speaker 2 Like that was like, Reggie, hey, you go do your thing. You go be the best player in college football.
The play callers are going to figure out ways to get you touches.

Speaker 2 They're going to figure out ways to make sure that you are having that type of season. Me as a quarterback, the same thing.

Speaker 2 We were all, so for your question, like we were just like, hell yeah, dude, let's get Reggie. Let's have back-to-back Heisman.
This is going to be sick.

Speaker 2 Like, we're like, he's going to get the Heisman trophy. Now, it's more up to the player, obviously, to make sure you're focusing on, hey, like, if I play well, that's going to come regardless.

Speaker 2 So it was pretty cool, man, to

Speaker 2 be, to share the backfield with him as a Heisman winner.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 I didn't feel a whole lot of pressure expectation.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so my only experience of it is, do you remember the movie The Program? Oh, of course, dude. To me, that's the best.

Speaker 2 That's the best,

Speaker 2 even I'll even say NFL. That's just the best football movie of all time, but the way they handled the Heisman stuff with Jokane and against Tim, he could go all the wayman.

Speaker 2 But just how, like, oh, he had one bad game, the team lost, his Heisman hopes are over. The only other way I try to relate to it is,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 Adrian and I joke about this with Entourage all the time.

Speaker 2 Grignet and I were the only two who never got nominated for any MEs or Golden Globes, and it's funny, but I had a front row seat to Kevin Dillon, who we spoke about earlier, who had four nominations.

Speaker 2 I remember seeing a scene where I'm like, yep, that's going to be in his presentation reel. Oh, yeah, that's the one that

Speaker 2 they're going to roll out.

Speaker 2 But in a scene like that, like, obviously, when you read a, okay, when you read a script or you're doing that day,

Speaker 2 when you read it, you're like.

Speaker 2 Beforehand, because you don't really know. I'm trying to think, like, you, you probably envision how a scene is going to play out, clearly.
Yes. Right.

Speaker 2 And that for you personally, like, when you're about to do a, when you're reading a script, you're like, oh, shit, dude, this is going to be be 100% great. This is going to be great television or

Speaker 2 it's going to be like, I'm going to deliver the, the shit out of this. Like, yeah, so you have that feeling.
That's cool. And it doesn't always work out that smoothly.

Speaker 2 But with Dylan, you know, I would always, we'd always go to the table reading and a scene would play and get laugh. You get a laugh in the table reading.
It's usually funny.

Speaker 2 And I swear I took the approach of like a point guard almost. Like, I'm just going to feed these dudes lobs.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm just going to like tee him up and see how far he could hit it because he's going to

Speaker 2 yeah, piven won three Emmys in a row. I was gonna say Piven was a pivot.
He three-peated. I mean, he was a genius.
He was so peed. Does he, does he, um,

Speaker 2 I love like how much, I think we've talked about how much improv was on that show? I know, I know that, I think you said, like, the Brady scene was improv, right? Or no?

Speaker 2 Some of it was, I do have to say, Matt, not as much as you would think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, really was on the pace. Like, those scripts were ready to go.
I think what we always did was we'd get it as scripted. Yeah.
And then we'd get like a free take and let it fly.

Speaker 2 And like a lot of times the free ones suck, you know, giving it to free one. So, no, there wasn't a ton.
There was always some, but there was not as much as you would think.

Speaker 2 We'll save it, especially because when we get your boys on,

Speaker 2 we're going to get the boys on.

Speaker 2 I am always.

Speaker 2 To me, like when guys break character and just start laughing and I'm sure you've been a part of that on that show.

Speaker 2 I want to get in. I want when we're all together, because I've been on that, I've been a part of that with our show

Speaker 2 where it's just like, dude, you just can't stop. And live TV is obviously different than acting.
You're doing way different. But sometimes live TV, it's like, you know, it's like Barkley and

Speaker 2 Shaq and those guys sometimes win, it sometimes makes the best TV. I cannot wait to hear some of the stories of just like

Speaker 2 the behind the scenes and all that because I can't imagine like, dude, like Dylan has got to just

Speaker 2 stuff for when we get those guys, and we're going to do that one, hopefully in person in our studio and things like that. All right.

Speaker 2 Did you like how I said we're going to do quick-hitting Leinard leaderboard? And we just

Speaker 2 throwbacks, dude. We just throw back all the time.
This is what we're all about.

Speaker 2 We can go from Heisman candidates to reading scripts. Next one for Leinard's leaderboard.
Who's the best team in the nation right now? For you? Dude, for me.

Speaker 2 So right now, Texas is ranked one.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I would say Texas. And the only reason why is because obviously they have a big win against Michigan on the road.
I don't know how great Michigan is.

Speaker 2 They beat USC last week. That's better than what, and I would have Ohio State two.

Speaker 2 Ohio State has been dominant. I think Ohio State went all sudden.

Speaker 2 Once they kind of get into this, they might end up be that. You can debate both those teams.
I think Texas, even with Arch Manning right now, Quinn Ewers nursing injury,

Speaker 2 probably number one. But at this point, look, Texas is going to get in the meat of an SEC schedule.
Ohio State's going to get into the meat of a Big Ten schedule, as it usually does.

Speaker 2 It'll all play itself out. But those two teams are loaded, man.
Loaded. Last one.
What's your biggest surprise in the name? It could be a player or a team.

Speaker 2 Just something you're surprised by you didn't see coming into the team?

Speaker 2 The biggest surprise. That's a good question.
I kind of think

Speaker 2 like Tennessee to me is such a, yeah, Tennessee, like

Speaker 2 Tennessee and Ole,

Speaker 2 put it this way, SEC has kind of been Georgia and Bama, what it feels like the last 20 years, mainly Alabama and then Georgia the last handful of years.

Speaker 2 Maybe it's a changing of the guard. I don't know.
Like the 12-team playoff, there's going to get a lot of teams in there, but this year in particular, like

Speaker 2 Tennessee's really good. Ole Miss, I think this is Lane's best team.
So not necessarily surprised, but like just keep an eye on those types of teams.

Speaker 2 Also like Penn State is kind of flying under the radar and they're

Speaker 2 they got it they got a big one this weekend. But

Speaker 2 and then yeah, I mean and then you know usually then teams just aren't as good as we think they are in the preseason and all that. So it's been fun though, man.

Speaker 2 And this is kind of like week four or five we're getting into now. It's starting to get like there's good games week in and week out, which is exciting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's getting to the point where it's getting very hard to figure out, which is a perfect segue into our kind of final thoughts on week three, three, moving into week four in the NFL.

Speaker 2 I am as confused as ever. I tried doing this like

Speaker 2 spider web approach where it's okay, so Giants get blown out by Minnesota. That means the Giants stink because Minnesota is not good, but then Minnesota beats San Francisco and go and wins again.

Speaker 2 Minnesota is actually good, so maybe the Giants aren't that bad, but then they lose to Washington. Washington, we know, stinks, but then Washington goes out and beats the Bengal.

Speaker 2 So at the end of the day, we know nothing still. That's how it always is, dude.
But I found myself trying to, okay, this is what I was trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 Which teams at least have identities in this world of parody that we live in where anyone could beat anyone week in, week out, and that's going to probably be that way to the playoffs.

Speaker 2 But which team now have true, hey, I know the identity of this team. I know what they need to do, what they want to do.
And the question will be, will they do it? I have a few. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I think they have staying power. Yeah, I think the Chiefs go without saying, right? We don't even need to get into them.
I think. No, but they're closers, right?

Speaker 2 When you say that their identity is

Speaker 2 at the end of the day, the Chiefs will be in the mix to win a Super Bowl. Obviously, health aside,

Speaker 2 we just know that. I think Buffalo is the same.
Buffalo is in the same boat, right? Buffalo's off to a great start. Now, have they had success in the playoffs and beating Chiefs?

Speaker 2 No, but I even would put the Jets in there, dude. Like, I just think the Jets are two and one.
I just, I, I have a lot of trust in Aaron Rodgers and what they're doing.

Speaker 2 Here's two teams that I'm not necessarily buying right now, and I'm curious if you agree. Seattle is 3-0.

Speaker 2 They've beaten the Broncos, the Patriots, and the Dolphins minus Tua.

Speaker 2 So that's why, like, it's a good team, and they're a top, obviously, the NFT West, but like, that's why you just have to kind of wait and see.

Speaker 2 The Steelers, now, the Steelers, I think we might disagree on this, but the Steelers, I trust Tomlin. I trust the organization.
I trust the culture. I trust all of those things.

Speaker 2 This team is averaging 17 points per game. They've beaten the Broncos and they beat the Chargers without Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 So like, like, they're there. And by the way, but like, again, so sometimes you have to kind of like,

Speaker 2 by the, like, to your point, the Giants, the Giants might be better than we think because they, I mean, Minnesota, Seattle might not be as good as we think. I don't know.

Speaker 2 Like, do you agree on the Steelers?

Speaker 2 Like, I feel like, yeah, I, I think the Steelers, though, to me, when talking about identity, I think they, after the Chase and Mahomes, who I equate now thinking about the other day being around all these Yankees, it's like, these are like the 90s Yankees, like, and Mahomes turns into Mariano coming out of the bullpen with one minute left.

Speaker 2 You just know you give him the ball, it's over. The Steelers, to me, have an identity.
It's amazing defense. TJ Watt is a man-possessed fields only one pick.
He's been,

Speaker 2 I don't even think they've really let him go

Speaker 2 intentionally. They're trying to keep turnovers down.
I think he's getting more confident. It's clearly his job.

Speaker 2 They, to me, have a very clear identity, and they got a nice little lead in a wild division. Well, and that's a big thing with them: is like,

Speaker 2 but can they, can they win playing the way they are? I mean, I said they're averaging 17 points per game. Typically in the NFL, we used to always say, if you're getting a touchdown a quarter, right?

Speaker 2 20, if you're getting 28 points a game, you're winning a whole hell of a lot of games. Can you win that point? You're getting 24.

Speaker 2 Can you win that way, you know, consistently?

Speaker 2 And maybe they can, because if you said, like Tomlin is a fantastic coach, I'm just not as, like, I just want to see more because I think Baltimore will end up coming coming back in that division.

Speaker 2 Cincinnati is in all types of trouble, dude. Like, I like, oh, and now they got a battle.

Speaker 2 Again, you can't script this stuff any better. The simulation is working really well.
Dalton goes in and beats the Bengals. Dude, the Red Rifle is back.

Speaker 2 So, yeah. And I found such a hard time breaking down that like Commanders-Bengals game.
Was that bad Bengals or just really good Daniels and really good commanders? I think it was good commanders.

Speaker 2 They were the better team. I mean, Burrow played.
I mean, they scored, what, 33 points? I mean, they played their ass off. How about quick on the Red Rifle?

Speaker 2 I played against Andy Dalton when he was in the playoff game when I was in Houston and when he was in Cincinnati. Wow.
That's how old I'm getting, dude. 12.
I think he was a rookie.

Speaker 2 It was either 2011, 2010 or 11. We were in Houston and we hosted them and they came and we beat them.
We ended up beating them, but he was the quarterback of that team.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if the Panthers and Andy Dalton beat the Bengals, then

Speaker 2 that's going to be a problem.

Speaker 2 We'll talk about teams that need W's, but also

Speaker 2 another just strictly confusing team are the Raiders. You know, they had that great come from behind win over the Ravens, then they go just lay a stinker.

Speaker 2 And then Antonio Pierce, who is my guy, you know, he's a Super Bowl champion. He was part of that 07 team.
I have him near and dear to my heart.

Speaker 2 He was an awesome, awesome giant defender in the history books to me because he talked a lot and he backed it up. Now as a coach, and he did the whole players are making business decisions.
And

Speaker 2 what's your feeling on when a coach publicly says stuff like that? And then do players actually make business decisions? Look, personally, I would.

Speaker 2 If this game's over, I'm not trying to be out here getting hurt, but I'm not an NFL football player. Yeah, I mean, listen, dude, it all depends on the situation.
I'm not exactly sure.

Speaker 2 You know, maybe we can do a little research and try to figure out who he was talking about. It has to be a defensive player, right? It has to be.

Speaker 2 Well, one, anytime a coach says that there's something going on in the locker room, there's something going on behind the scenes, which isn't great.

Speaker 2 Obviously, I think Minshew is starting this week, but he came out and said, talked about the quarterback situation. So that's one thing.
That can divide a locker room.

Speaker 2 And then when a coach is publicly saying, hey, there's guys, like that's going to now be addressed within the locker room. It's going to now be addressed in these team meetings.

Speaker 2 And by the way, I wouldn't put it past Antonio Pierce if he is literally,

Speaker 2 dude. So the day after a game, when we go into a team meeting, win or lose, typically coaches will pull a handful of plays and they will just call you out in front of the whole team.

Speaker 2 Quarterback, we cannot, we cannot, we cannot turn the ball over like this to win a game. You got to get better, Liner, whatever.
Hey, Devontae Adams,

Speaker 2 whatever.

Speaker 2 Dude, that wouldn't, he might have pulled some plays up from the film and within that locker room. And then what does that do to your point? What does that do to the locker room?

Speaker 2 I have never been on a team where,

Speaker 2 now, if it's a contract year and there's a disgruntled player and there's, you know, those types of types of circumstances, maybe they just say, hey, I'm, I'm, oh, my hamstring's tight, guys.

Speaker 2 My hamstring's tight. No,

Speaker 2 that stuff, that is a business decision. But during the game, I can't remember a time, but an injury where say like, hey, hey, I got a hamstring.
I'm not going to play.

Speaker 2 That happens more than you think. So, Raiders are at home against the Browns this week, which is just another mess.
I was pretty much.

Speaker 2 The Braiders 2-1 or 1-2? The Raiders are 1-2.

Speaker 2 Browns, as we know, after my,

Speaker 2 I swore to myself, I'm not going to make this a Giants heavy podcast this week, but it was a beautiful win. I barely got to see it.
They were in Cleveland. I was not here.

Speaker 2 So I'm going to be watching that game because I think the loser of that game,

Speaker 2 I think Antonio Pierce maybe gets on the hot seat a little bit, or if they manage to win, and if the Browns are now one and three, losing to the Giants and the Raiders back to back, do we start?

Speaker 2 You know, everyone's going to start to have the Jameis Winston conversation, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, I think that's probably already happening. Look, I don't know if you can, I mean, dude, you're paying the dude $50 million.

Speaker 2 But at some point, I get that.

Speaker 2 At some point,

Speaker 2 if it's not working, and look if you look what you did with Flacco, right? That's what wants the fantasy coach of the year for a second time is because he had five quarterbacks last year.

Speaker 2 He's a managed to wait, but 10 points? I think

Speaker 2 it depends on how he plays. If they lose this game and they struggle, because they played decent last week.
So they lose this game, then maybe there's some talk. So it's early, dude.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 They were spotted a seven-point lead. The Giants fumbled the kickoff, gave the Browns the ball on the eight.
They score right away.

Speaker 2 They basically spot, and this is the Giants we're talking about, Spotted the Browns seven points and got very conservative in the fourth quarter, but pretty much for three and a half quarters were in control of every moment of that game.

Speaker 2 And then they got real conservative and scared. Deshaun Watson was 200 yards, a couple touchdowns, no interceptions.

Speaker 2 Glad I benched Amari Cooper in my fantasy. He finally had a game.
Well, also, I got to admit something I was wrong. I know we're going to come at you for a take that is controversial.

Speaker 2 I had a take earlier. It might have been in the first episode of this podcast for all I know.

Speaker 2 Another team that has an identity is the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 2 And what that identity is, is LaFleur is an amazing coach, and he's on his way to start getting some coach of the year talks because what he did with Malik Willis was great.

Speaker 2 I talked about, yeah, Jordan Love's going to be great. The receivers, they have a bunch of young guys who's going to emerge.

Speaker 2 Reed's kind of emerged, but the defense is a lot better than anybody thought. I'm not sure what to do with that.

Speaker 2 What I'd I'd tell you with young quarterbacks coaching, man, you get them in a situation where you play to their strengths, you don't put too much on their plate.

Speaker 2 Obviously, they have some good players around him, and all of a sudden, Malik Willis didn't work out in Tennessee. Now he's thriving.

Speaker 2 And good for him because he's playing himself into a nice little contract somewhere. Yeah.
Whether it's backing up love or maybe getting a shot, depending on, yeah, I assume love is back pretty soon.

Speaker 2 I'm not betting against him again. I bet him against him.
Malik's never happened. To your point, LaFleur and that system and Shanna.

Speaker 2 I can't

Speaker 2 pound the table enough for that tree of coaches and what they can do to a quarterback. I can't.

Speaker 2 It's unreal. A Connell as well with Darnold.
Well, that's going to be a fun matchup, too. We got our first real divisional game with some stakes with Vikings, Packers, and Jordan Love may be back.

Speaker 2 Who knows? But either way, that's going to be a fun one. So that brings me to...

Speaker 2 Our next kind of fun NFL thing. Who needs it the most?

Speaker 2 It's so hard to pick one.

Speaker 2 So i have one but you could almost pick any team well i mean i already i'm picking the bengals dude you're picking the bengals yeah i mean so they go 0-4 no team has made the playoffs going 0-0-4 since 1992 the only team who's done it the chargers in 92 i want to say

Speaker 2 it's like it's like they're 0-3

Speaker 2 and now they play carolina who there's there's a little more incentive there with andy dalton and just you know that that that kind of makes it a fun story right surrounding this game carolina like look scored a lot of points last week.

Speaker 2 And I just say this, like, the Bengals lost to the Patriots. We know the Patriots aren't a very good team.

Speaker 2 There's a lot going on with Cincinnati right now. I would not, I mean, look, I don't know what the spread is.
I think it might be a touchdown. I just, I wouldn't be shocked if Carolina wins this game.

Speaker 2 And holy hell.

Speaker 2 So that means if you lost, that means you lost to the Patriots, the Commanders.

Speaker 2 And the Panthers, and you haven't even started your divisional games yet, which I think are the week after against the Ravens. I just think they need it.
Because 0-3,

Speaker 2 you're hanging on by a thread. 1-3, okay, all right, we can build.
Then the next, I don't know who they play next week, but then all of a sudden you're 2-3, and then you're right there.

Speaker 2 Like, it's a long season. You're kind of right there.
And you're in a division where, you know, the Browns aren't very good.

Speaker 2 Obviously, we talked about the Steelers, but the Steelers are, you know, they're not a juggernaut right now. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting.
Well,

Speaker 2 dumb fan take two. This is what fans like me think.
If the Benghazi find themselves 0-4, 0-5, at what point do you start saying,

Speaker 2 maybe we give Burrow the rest of the year off, get that wrist in shape? I know you don't do that. I know he doesn't, you don't do that.
I totally understand. You don't do that.

Speaker 2 And he wouldn't do that. And he wouldn't do that, but it crosses my mind because I'm thinking of longevity.
And I love Joe Burrow. I want him healthy.
All right, for me,

Speaker 2 you're probably going to hate this one, but it's the Bears. And here's why.

Speaker 2 I know the expectations were high going into this season for the most part, but things have looked so bad with the offensive line.

Speaker 2 DeAndre Swift has, you know, they spent a lot of money on DeAndre, not performed. You know, they're playing the Rams at home.
Rams are good. It's come up.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But you lose this one, you drop down the one and three.

Speaker 2 That's a big problem. But if you could somehow steal this one, if you're the Bears at home, I know you shouldn't be stealing games at home, and they are the favorites, I believe.

Speaker 2 You hold court at home, you go two and two, then you got the Panthers, then you got the Jags, who's another team who needs to win, the Commanders, the Patriots.

Speaker 2 So you get four more games in a row with winnable before you start getting into your division game. I think this is a big one for the Banners.
Dude, our boy,

Speaker 2 we had Kutcher on episode one. He texted me.
Yeah. He texted me Sunday.
He's like, I take back my playoff wins.

Speaker 2 I go, bro, you need an offensive line, dude. Well, you just know if they lose and they go one and three, it's going to start falling on Caleb.
And you can start hearing that chirping.

Speaker 2 The coaches for sure are going to be be maybe the next one or the first one on the hot seat. All the chirping is really going to start.
If they hit the division that division is so hard, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Minnesota 3-0. Detroit, 2-1.
We know Detroit's a legit team. Green Bay, 2-1.
I mean,

Speaker 2 three teams from that division could make the playoffs. It's going to get ugly.

Speaker 2 It's going to get ugly.

Speaker 2 Listen, it's a learning curve, man. Welcome to the NFL.

Speaker 2 You take these years, you learn from them. But yeah, man, that's a good call because

Speaker 2 the Rams are sneaky good, even with all the injuries.

Speaker 2 Really quick before we hit the break, too.

Speaker 2 I know the Giants play tonight against the Cowboys, they haven't beaten the Cowboys in 100 years at home, and I know the Giants aren't good. The Cowboys are coming out with a vengeance.

Speaker 2 I know, it's such a bad setup. I just wanted, I wanted the Cowboys to beat the Ravens just so they weren't coming into this game so pissed off and desperate.

Speaker 2 Are you glued to the couch tonight? I'm glued. They sucked me back in.
Yeah, and my man

Speaker 2 said, You buried Danny Dimes, you're off the wagon, now you're back. This is, they sucked me back in, and I hate it, but I'm going to be glued tonight.

Speaker 2 Before we go to break, we're going to get Danny Dimes on the pod, and you're going to confront him. And I'm going to.

Speaker 2 I feel like he's going to confront me if they get out. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 He's too nice of a guy, but I'm going to stir the pot between you two for sure. Thanks.
Do you know? Do you have a relationship with him? Or you never

Speaker 2 met him? I don't. What better way to start? Just like us on the podcast.
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Speaker 2 All right, it's time for one of my favorite parts of this show, the Can't Get Enough Sauce moment of the week, brought to you by Wendy's. Big shout out to Wendy's.

Speaker 2 Every week, Matt, and I kind of highlight a player or a team did something positive on or off the field. Matt, this one kind of pains me.

Speaker 2 I have to do it because I have to tell the truth, but this one hurts to say out loud. Tell me.
I'm going with Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 2 I'm going with Saquon because, you know, you and I were on the Dan Patrick show show a few weeks ago. Recently, after he had the drop, Saquon was scheduled to be on the Dan Patrick show the next day.

Speaker 2 Paulie, the producer, tweeted out that it was a cancellation. He wasn't ready to quite talk, but Saquon played.
I don't blame him. I don't blame him.

Speaker 2 He reached out personally to the show, something Paulie said in all his years he never saw.

Speaker 2 And then, after my New York football giants get their first win, Saquon calls Danny Dimes, his former teammate, to congratulate him on the win and pump him up. I just thought that was awesome.

Speaker 2 You don't hear stories like that much in the NFL. Saquon, you're my guy.
Also, yeah, first of all, taking accountability. You know, he dropped the ball and that they probably win the game.

Speaker 2 So he took full responsibility, even though Sirianni and everybody else was taking heat. It is what it is.
And then

Speaker 2 to reach out to the producer, I saw that too. That's awesome.
You don't feel

Speaker 2 athletes don't do that.

Speaker 2 And then to congratulate Danny Dimes for just what he's been through, the criticism.

Speaker 2 Saquon Barkley, all-around, all-around, great dude, great player, crushing it, by the way. I know I'm sorry for your Giants because they don't have him anymore, but I'm happy for him.

Speaker 2 All right, so I'm actually going to stay in the NFL. And dude, I'm going with the red rocket.
I'm going with the red rifle. Okay.
And we talked about this last week. We talked about Bryce Young and

Speaker 2 obviously that. And then it was, I think we said like, what if Andy Dalton just goes out and balls? Then what happens to Bryce? And that's certainly what happened.

Speaker 2 Three, what, 320 yards, three touchdowns. And now, by the way, this week he gets to play his former team in the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 2 We're in the simulation. We're in the simulation part of the NFL.
Look, I think big picture, good for Bryce. He gets to learn from Andy Dalton, but how about Andy Dalton?

Speaker 2 I think, and then I had two 300-yard passing games in his only two starts for the Panthers. He started a game last year.

Speaker 2 That's more than any of Bryce Young's 18 starts.

Speaker 2 Both seasons, I know. But I wanted to give a shout out to Andy Dalton.

Speaker 2 It is not easy to be a backup quarterback in the NFL, especially after you played for a long time and he just went out there and just dealt. So shout out to the Red Rocket.
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And hopefully, you know, our guest doesn't cancel on us like Saquon did.

Speaker 2 I feel like, though, we get a little inside info if our guest was going to cancel on us.

Speaker 2 How about this? So this is pretty exciting. You know, we talked about our podcast.

Speaker 2 We're talking about we're gonna have our wives on the show and it's gonna be mainly about why maybe they why we didn't pick up the dog in the backyard or what we didn't get the kids and all this and the chaotic lives that we live and our wives are the best but we are going to bring on my wife and i don't even call her by her first name i call her babe but i'm going to call her josie linard what's up babe hi because My wife wears a lot of hats, okay?

Speaker 2 She is a super mom, a super wife, a super friend, a super daughter. She is everything.
But one of the big hats she wears, she is a lawyer and she covers NIL and all things going on.

Speaker 2 And Jerry, this week has been a wild week in the NIL space. We had my boy Reggie earlier in the week talk about his lawsuit for NCAA, USC.
We'll see where that goes.

Speaker 2 But more recently, this UNLV story. So First of all, babe, thank you for joining the Throwback Show.
How are you?

Speaker 3 I am great.

Speaker 3 Thank you for having me. It has been one hell of a morning so far.

Speaker 2 Please do tell why. Are the boys crying this morning?

Speaker 3 Honestly, I don't know about you, but I am a little terrified that our four-year-old is going to run into your room or my room because he's home sick from school. So that may happen.

Speaker 3 But we did everything in our power to keep that from happening.

Speaker 2 I just gave him candy and said, stay here for like the next next 20. Yeah, I don't care.
You said

Speaker 2 you said, go tell him we're going to take him to ice cream later. I said, okay, I'm going to get, I'm going to, I'm going to give him candy.
Anyway,

Speaker 2 yeah, Jerry, what do we got, man? Well, look, first of all, I want to thank you, Josie, because like you're tackling a subject that I thought I knew a lot about.

Speaker 2 I spent a lot of time this morning on your Instagram account. We are underscore NIL.
By the way, go to that Instagram account if you really want to learn a little bit and figure out what's going on.

Speaker 2 But I'm not very bright and have a hard time following things. What exactly

Speaker 2 is Reggie Bush kind of saying here with this lawsuit? Like,

Speaker 2 what's the point? What is he going after, like, previous when he played or even years after he played?

Speaker 3 Well, what Reggie Bush is doing is pretty much the same thing that we've been seeing with the House v NCAA. And then we also had the Michigan football players recently file a lawsuit in Michigan.

Speaker 3 But that lawsuit and Reggie's lawsuit is slightly different because the statute of limitations for antitrust cases is four years. So, which is why the House of ENCAA case

Speaker 3 only applies, well, that settlement only applies to athletes that played from 2016 to 2020 because 2020 was when that case was originally filed.

Speaker 3 Reggie is kind of opening up a can of worms for athletes that played prior to 2016. Same with the Michigan football players.

Speaker 3 So that is, you know, I think that when the House v.

Speaker 3 NCAA and Allison came out and all of those things, I think the NCAA was thinking, well, if we just get our arms around this lawsuit, if we just figure out how with this settlement we can, you know, appease those players between 2016 and 2020, we'll be in the clear and we can move on.

Speaker 3 But now this kind of threw

Speaker 2 in the whole top twist.

Speaker 3 Yes, exactly. So this would really open, I think, even a bigger can of worms than we're already in.

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 big story, which kind of brings us to this next story out of UNLV, and

Speaker 2 there's a lot of he said, she said going on

Speaker 2 and reports continue to come out. But

Speaker 2 as an attorney, and I've asked you this, the UNLV quarterback, basically what happened was, is he was promised something, a certain amount of money.

Speaker 2 It is alleged now it's about $100,000 to play for UNLV to come. He hasn't been paid that, apparently, according to his representation.

Speaker 2 And the big thing for me is there wasn't a written agreement, which I know you see a lot of these contracts. And so there was a verbal handshake according.

Speaker 2 What does that mean? So like what grounds does he have?

Speaker 2 Can he file a lawsuit against the school? What does that mean if it's just a verbal handshake versus obviously having a written agreement?

Speaker 3 Okay, so there's something called the statute of frauds, and the statute of frauds says that certain agreements over a certain amount of money have to be memorialized in a written agreement.

Speaker 3 And if it's not in a written agreement, then you know, poo for you, that's what you should have done, and we're not going to recognize this.

Speaker 3 However, one of the exceptions, and so clearly, if there's no written agreement here, someone can claim statute of frauds. But one of the exceptions to the statute of frauds is partial performance.

Speaker 3 So, here, I mean,

Speaker 3 obviously, we don't know the terms and everything that

Speaker 3 transpired between these two parties, but you can imagine that there was more than partial performance. I mean, this guy allegedly moved to Las Vegas to play.

Speaker 3 He played and he did receive a certain amount of money. He certainly didn't receive the full amount of money that he's alleging he was promised, but

Speaker 3 he was compensated.

Speaker 3 So, there's performance on both sides of the aisle. And, you know, I don't think that statute of frauds is going to be an argument here.

Speaker 3 So absolutely, just because there's not a written agreement doesn't mean that there's not an agreement.

Speaker 3 And I'm sure that there's going to come out from here on out, we're going to see, you know, there's sure there's email correspondence, text messages, and they'll piecemeal

Speaker 3 an agreement from those terms. That counts it's not formal it's not the right way to do things absolutely but it absolutely counts yeah i

Speaker 2 is this

Speaker 2 sort of opening the floodgates though like do you think we're just going to see a lot more because of the

Speaker 2 you know informal way some of these deals are being done like this can't be the only case right

Speaker 3 is this is going to be a floodgate opening up with this kind of i think it's i don't think it's a floodgate opening up i think that unfortunately, a lot of these NIL transactions are going down just like this, which for me, I don't understand because NIL is such big business.

Speaker 3 It's asinine to think that companies are doing business on a handshake when people are moving across the country to play for a specific team.

Speaker 3 And, you know, it just makes no sense to me why these things aren't being taken seriously.

Speaker 3 But as it, you know, opening the floodgates, no, I mean, this is how a lot of this business is being transacted.

Speaker 3 And if it continues, you know, going like this, you know, where there's these obligations aren't being fulfilled, yeah, there's going to be litigation about it, obviously.

Speaker 2 I talk to Josie a lot, Jerry, about just, and she, and she could speak better than I can, but just the bad.

Speaker 2 I think the one of the biggest worries for me when NIL became legalized was, okay, these kids need to be careful of the representation, the agents, the marketing, whoever it is, a lot of bad apples out there basically telling them.

Speaker 2 And I told you before the show, like,

Speaker 2 there's these market values that these people go off of that are just phantom. They're phantom numbers.

Speaker 2 Like, it's not, this isn't NFL free agency and these players hold out because, hey, the market is this. These are what the top 10 running backs in the NFL are making.

Speaker 2 This is what I'm like, there really isn't that.

Speaker 2 And a lot of these deals are just, whether they're handshakes, they're verbal, they're promises, There's a lot of empty promises. And that's why we're seeing a lot of kids leave.

Speaker 2 We're seeing, but we're also seeing a lot of misrepresentation and agents promising, hey, you can do this if you go to this school. And it just doesn't come to fruition.

Speaker 2 I want to call you Bae, but I'm trying to be professional.

Speaker 2 Gosh,

Speaker 2 the House versus NCAA will fix some of this, right?

Speaker 2 Or no? Some of it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Some of it. But as of right now,

Speaker 3 the settlement hasn't been approved. So there was no preliminary approval from the judge a couple of weeks ago.
And actually, the next hearing is tomorrow.

Speaker 3 So we're going to see how the NCAA went back to the drawing board and came up with something else because there was a big issue.

Speaker 3 Well, the biggest issue that the judge had was their provision that there would be a third party that would kind of dictate like all agreements over $600, they would approve or reject.

Speaker 3 And that was, you know, the NCAA and, you know, all of the different conferences that are also co-defendants, that was their way to get their arms around the collectives.

Speaker 3 And the judge said that is not going to fly here.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 the defendants said, hey, this is probably going to, this could be a deal breaker for my client. So they were sent back to the drawing board and we'll see what they come up with tomorrow.

Speaker 3 Because if this blows up, then there is no settlement. Then we go to trial.
And I don't see why the NCAA would ever go to trial because they're going to end up bankrupt.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Can this, can, can,

Speaker 2 if he was promised and there's receipts and, like you said, email

Speaker 2 threads or whatever, can he sue UNLV?

Speaker 2 For

Speaker 2 the amount of money that he wasn't promised.

Speaker 3 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 Of course. That's wild.
That's how it works. But I just don't know how this stuff is happening without a written agreement.
And

Speaker 3 I think the problem, there are some collectives that are so well run.

Speaker 3 And now that the red tape was removed between the universities and the collectives, we've seen a lot of collectives go in-house and are now, you know, under the umbrella of the university.

Speaker 3 And there's going to be a lot more regulation that comes now that there is that, you know, transparency between the university and the collective. They're working together, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 But beyond that, like a lot of these deals took place prior to that rule coming into effect. And I think that these collectives are just running by the seat of their pants

Speaker 3 and promising money that they don't have and are trying to scrap together and agreements aren't being made properly.

Speaker 3 I wouldn't be surprised if

Speaker 3 we see more of these issues. you know, come up as the season transpires.
So we'll see.

Speaker 2 I just think it's wild to be

Speaker 2 that age. I try to think back to even when I was like coming up with acting.
And a lot of this brings me back to like, I have an agent and a manager and a lawyer.

Speaker 2 And sometimes I'm wondering, what is everyone doing here? Right. Like, how, what? Yeah.
What do, do you need all these people?

Speaker 2 But then you start hearing about something that's pretty brand new at this point and seeing how, you know, then the parents are involved.

Speaker 2 And I watched you speak a lot too on the on your We R N A L Instagram account just about speaking to the player, the kids. I call them kids with all due respect.
They're young men and women. Yes.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 just what they, what to expect.

Speaker 2 And that's the work I, I want to see happen too, because I remember being young and I remember even making some money and having a friend ask me to, hey, can I borrow a thousand bucks?

Speaker 2 I got a business idea. And I wish I had someone telling me, hey, for you to make a thousand, you have to make like $2,200 to clear a thousand dollars.
They're not actually asking you for a thousand.

Speaker 2 They're asking you for $2,200.

Speaker 2 And are we going to start seeing more? Like, like I said, you guys spoke up about it on the Instagram account. I feel like we have to start seeing that more.

Speaker 2 Seeing what more specifically?

Speaker 2 People talking to the people,

Speaker 2 whether they're lawyers, agents, taking accountability and not just helping the players make deals and make money, but actually,

Speaker 2 I mean, you like

Speaker 2 the parents, but not everyone has parents out there that also have the background to help.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, one of the things that struck me about this was because when this story first came out, and mind you, it's just been a couple hours.

Speaker 3 So even in the last couple of hours, it's been developing.

Speaker 3 I think right now he's being reped by Equity Sports, which is a really big agency. I don't know if they were behind the deal.

Speaker 3 back earlier this year and they brokered the deal. I don't know.

Speaker 3 But my whole thing is, I don't know how an agent brokers this deal and doesn't have something written. Like, that's your job.

Speaker 3 That's why you go out and you hire an agent because you don't know any better. So you're putting all of your eggs in their basket and hoping that they freaking protect you.

Speaker 3 It was their job to protect him. I think that that was completely fumbled on the agents.
the agent's behalf.

Speaker 3 Mind you, again, I don't know who the agent was at the time, whether that was equity sports or not.

Speaker 3 I i don't know but the fact that you don't have a written agreement that you can't come back and say yo these are the terms and this was not fulfilled that to me is just i don't i don't get it from a lawyer's point of view i just don't get it and if i had a son i would never allow them to just follow through on a handshake yeah this is why you get married to a lawyer jerry you just protect i'm getting upset i'm actually my blood pressure i would say i would say to like yeah i think i think all sides probably fumbled this based on what we've seen so far, and it continues to come out more and more stories.

Speaker 2 But I think, Jared, to your point, too, we're seeing, I think it's like an educational piece, right? We're seeing

Speaker 2 17, 18-year-old kids now in high school, right? And a lot of states can make money off their NIL. California included them.
You know, we live in a state where these high school kids can make money.

Speaker 2 We are seeing more and more colleges offer up like financial literacy courses and just educational courses to what you're talking about, like whether it's learning what a contract or whether it's taxes, like just basic financial 101, because now they're all, they're like they're getting taxed.

Speaker 2 Like all these things that these kids have no idea what, like I didn't know at 18, you know, obviously I wasn't making money, but at 18, I would have known what to do.

Speaker 2 And Josie and her firm are doing a lot, like speaking across the country and speaking to classes and teams and all that and just educating them, which I think we need.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's wild. It's going to be interesting to see

Speaker 2 the precedent that this may start with a lot of the, you know, this isn't the only deal in college football, college athletics where a school hasn't up, allegedly upheld their side of a deal.

Speaker 2 And it'll be interesting. It's just we haven't seen it happen midseason, right? Right.

Speaker 2 That is what's wild. Like you talk about like holdouts in the NFL.
They're holding out preseason and they're trying to get a deal done. And maybe it leaks over to one game.

Speaker 2 By the end of the day, usually those deals get done. This is three games in to a team, to a starting quarterback, a team that's undefeated right now.

Speaker 3 So, but my question to you, because obviously, if again, these are all allegations and things are developing literally as we're talking right now.

Speaker 3 But if everything that's come out thus far is true, he had grounds to do what he did, to pull out to red shirt, blah, blah, blah. If they didn't follow,

Speaker 3 they didn't fulfill the agreement, fine. But I'm like, how does that affect you as a player?

Speaker 3 How does that affect your future? Like if you're, if you do have hopes to go into the NFL and like, how is this move perceived by branches in the NFL or things like that?

Speaker 2 Like, that's a whole other piece. That's so interesting.
That's going to be part of like the interview process now when going into the NFL, right?

Speaker 2 Because all these, this stuff's becoming knowledgeable.

Speaker 2 You could, you could pick that apart and ask that question once more facts come out and use that against his draft status you know well that too and like also just from from within a uh locker room standpoint you know the again i i i'm using the nfl but like professional sports are different you know these are grown men and women who are making a lot of money there's contracts like there's all these things like this is still a form of amateurism, even though it's really not at this point.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 2 you know, in that locker room, like you have a 19-year-old kid or 18-year-old kid who's getting paid X amount of money, starting quarterback for your team.

Speaker 2 Now, all of a sudden, it's like a piece, which if this is all true, you kind of have, you understand his point. Like, hey, I was promised something to come here.
I left a school to come here.

Speaker 2 But how does the ripple effect that has from a locker room standpoint, the team, how it's viewed, how he's viewed across?

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, it's just there, there's a lot to unpack there, I think, for an 18, 19-year-old kid who was just literally promised something that he wasn't given.

Speaker 2 You know, it's, it's, it's, yeah, dude, it's wild. Buckle up, I would say that.
Buckle up.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I would, like, I, I don't, I think it's so fallsy to do what he did.
And I'm not saying that he didn't have grounds because it sounds like he certainly did. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 I probably would have said, just finish

Speaker 3 the night out this season, and then we'll, we'll, we'll sue them for breach of contract, you know?

Speaker 3 That's, I don't know. That's how I probably would have done it.

Speaker 2 But well, there's going to be a lot of eyes on that UNLV game coming up. That's for sure.

Speaker 3 A lot of people maybe weren't in interested in running rebels football are gonna take it in uh josie i got i got go ahead no i was just gonna say i feel so bad for the players who are on this three and oh winning streak and like have all of these high hopes they're top 25 team like god that sucks

Speaker 2 maybe that

Speaker 2 the head coach is just like

Speaker 2 By the way, guys, we just lost our starting quarterback. We're week four.

Speaker 2 I know. All right.
Hey, buddy, you're next up. It's like,

Speaker 2 let's get you ready for the game. Let's get you caught up to speed.
Yeah, it's just wild, man.

Speaker 2 Well, anyways, as a father of two kids who are clearly going D1, if you just look at me, you know my kids will be playing college football.

Speaker 2 I will learn from all this.

Speaker 2 They got golf, buddy. They got golf.
You don't need to be past 5'8 to golf. I said that to Bri on the way down.
I told her that we were talking to you today, Josie, and explained a little bit of it.

Speaker 2 She's like, this is something we'll never have to worry about. Oh,

Speaker 2 sorry, Jacob. You have to deal with modeling contracts because these kids are so damn cute.
By the way, dude, Altuve is 5'6, bro. You got a shot.
That's my yearly Halloween costume.

Speaker 2 You know that, right? We've talked about this.

Speaker 2 People think I look like it or recently. You do, you do kind of look like it, yeah.

Speaker 2 So, and in that whole Astros run in the World Series when they were knocking the Yankees out every year, was that when they were

Speaker 2 doing the side-by-side? So now I just throw on an Astros jersey and a hat, and it's the easiest Halloween costume ever. Replaced Rudy.
I used to go as Rudy, another short

Speaker 2 player, and now I go as Jose Altuve.

Speaker 2 But speaking of jerseys, real quick, Josie, before we let you go, you know, our boy here, he's wearing, we've told people at the top of the show, he's wearing his Kobe Bryant Lakers jersey, and he stands by the fact, too, that he doesn't leave the house.

Speaker 2 With it, do you ever see Matt really going far outside the house with the Kobe jersey? Like, not coffee doesn't count. I'm saying, like, if he's going out for the day, hey, I got a bunch of meat.

Speaker 2 Like, if zero chance,

Speaker 2 I'll answer.

Speaker 3 I've definitely, no, I've seen him go out of the house with it to, like, I don't know, maybe

Speaker 3 drop, get gas, right?

Speaker 2 He's not leaving the car, essentially, still inside.

Speaker 3 Or maybe even, I don't even think you drop off the kids with that, but he wears it constantly. And it's fight, it's older.
How old is that thing?

Speaker 3 It's, you've had it longer than we've been together, which is a long time.

Speaker 2 Like 11, 12 years. Listen, how long have you had it? This is like my lounge, a long time.
This is like my lounge wear at the house. Maybe gas, maybe coffee, maybe a maybe a store, maybe a store run.

Speaker 2 I'm sure I've done that. And I just

Speaker 2 won't be a store run.

Speaker 2 But I will not wear this two-way game. Okay.
No, you will never.

Speaker 2 I won't wear it to the bar with my friends on a Sunday to represent my team.

Speaker 2 And babe, I just got crushed for this cake this week. That's why we're going.
I've been thrown away all our liner jerseys. I'm like, oh, I guess you have a good point.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's a different thing between between being passionate about a team and all that.

Speaker 3 It's just like, I just wouldn't, I just, I just Matt is not, and I guess we both are this way. Like, we're not,

Speaker 3 and this may sound bad, we

Speaker 3 aren't like fanatics, right?

Speaker 2 Like me, right? You guys aren't like fanatic.

Speaker 3 We're not, we're, and obviously, he loves USC, supports USC,

Speaker 3 but yeah, it's just not

Speaker 2 because we're not fanatics. This is why we're a good podcast couple, Matt.
Jerry's a Jerry's a fanatic. Joseph.
Yeah, I don't understand that mentality, but thank you for fun.

Speaker 2 I feel like I'm like a little smarter after today because I walked around like, oh, yeah, NIL. Well, I get it.

Speaker 2 I did not get it because I did a lot of research, getting ready to talk to you. And I encourage everyone to go to we are underscore NIL if you want.
Just grace up. You tackle everything.

Speaker 2 It's not just the UNLV situation. It's everything.
So

Speaker 2 that was awesome. And you're going to be busy, I feel like.
I feel like there's going to be a lot coming up every day.

Speaker 3 It's getting very busy, like very, very busy

Speaker 3 as I progressively get more pregnant. So that's just the irony of it all.

Speaker 2 Oh, don't, we're getting you back up. That's a whole separate episode.
Don't worry, Jerry's right behind you. Don't worry.

Speaker 2 We don't have breaking news yet, but we will.

Speaker 2 My wife went from acting to becoming a birth doula, so we could discuss all that too.

Speaker 2 Big transition.

Speaker 2 Yes. But thank you.
Seriously, that was awesome. Matt, you want to call her babe one last time? I just called her doll.
I like to call her doll. So

Speaker 2 you're the best. Bye, guys.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 Bye. Bye.

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Speaker 2 All right, we're coming back here. So, Matt, we have our first,

Speaker 2 I referenced it earlier, our first sort of take where you've got a lot of pushback. So

Speaker 2 it's all about my first, it wouldn't be my first time, Jerry. Let's just quickly play the clips this way.
If you didn't listen to last week, shame on you, but here's what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 Let's play the clip of Matt saying what he had said.

Speaker 2 I also don't understand whether a grown man wearing a jersey. I don't know, man.
It's just like a weird thing to me. Like, I could picture

Speaker 2 weirdly, I could picture you wearing a jersey and like, I think it's okay, but I've never understood. Like, I would never, I would never go,

Speaker 2 and I like, I love Jalen Brunson, but I would never go to a sporting event wearing a

Speaker 2 Kobe jersey or a like I'm wearing a Dodger t-shirt right now. This is about as good as you'll get from I just always these days.
I always laugh when grown men are wearing jerseys.

Speaker 2 Couple of things to unpack there as you sit there in your Kobe jersey. Well, I wanted to give the fans what they want.
I do own jerseys. Okay.
They are in my number one.

Speaker 2 I think that's factually incorrect. You have done it.
And we just had a lawyer on the air. So

Speaker 2 let the evidence show you, Matt Leinert, have in fact done that. Yes, I did.

Speaker 2 You were a kid, though. You were young.
Yeah, I was 20. I was a grown man.
I was 24. I wore a Kobe jersey to a Laker game, a white Sunday jersey, by the way, a white Laker jersey to a game.

Speaker 2 And I spoke to Kobe on the court. Okay.
And now I'm wondering, and rest in peace, man, my favorite athlete. Now I'm wondering if he was judging me in that moment of me wearing his jersey.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? It's kind of strange.

Speaker 2 But yeah,

Speaker 2 look at this fan.

Speaker 2 It's a hypocritical statement, that's for sure. But that was also 18 years ago when I was true.

Speaker 2 All right, we'll give you a pass, but you know who didn't give you a pass was everyone who follows you and me and throwback show on social media. I'm just going to read a few brief ones.

Speaker 2 At the Cam Hammer, unfun take. If legendary player, sportscaster, don't want fans wearing jerseys, hell, nobody should buy merch then.

Speaker 2 Matter of fact, let's lower the TV contracts and the salaries, too. Oh, wow.
I got a, what is it? Don James Sports, horrible take at Matt Leonard QB, and I love you.

Speaker 2 Like just a double sword, just like, God, I love you, but you suck. Well, even better.
Oh, there's the, listen.

Speaker 2 If my eyes aren't deceiving me, that's Maddie Ice in a white Kobe. Now, did they give you that jersey while you were there? Did you go to Staples? I got to be honest, dude.

Speaker 2 I probably went to Staples at the time wearing that. And that's one of my buddies, Daniel, who

Speaker 2 look at the way, you know, look at the way he's looking at Kobe, dude. That is his favorite athlete and player of all time.
we still this picture was taken in 2006 probably

Speaker 2 he still every once in a while will send me this photo he goes dude the greatest day of my life by the way this was this was greater than watching my kids be born like literally do you remember what was said do you remember what was said uh

Speaker 2 i don't know but now dude i don't know but he was just probably telling you to get something to had to be sports related right yeah this is probably talking to you about football yeah this is offseason this is this is before the game shoot around.

Speaker 2 I was probably sitting closer to the court. I just said, Cole, what's up? And I had known him a little bit.
He was awesome, man.

Speaker 2 And we got to know each other over the years, like on a more personal level than just kind of sports and all that kind of stuff. So

Speaker 2 shout out to Cole. But yes, dude,

Speaker 2 listen,

Speaker 2 I'm going to defend myself. I work in a florid business.
I work in a business that is an opinionated business. I get paid to give opinions for the most part.

Speaker 2 I am not going to backtrack on my stance. I will say this for me personally.
There are two things that

Speaker 2 I just, it's just not in me to do. One is

Speaker 2 I will never, and I say never with an asterisk because if my kids are involved, yes. I have never been the guy to go up to a famous person, a famous athlete, to ask for an autograph, right?

Speaker 2 You don't fanbo.

Speaker 2 I don't fanboy. And by the way, it's totally fine.
I'm just saying for me personally, I've just never been that. Like if I saw, like,

Speaker 2 like I saw Michael Jordan, I would be like, I might be starstruck. I'm like, I'm just not going to do that.

Speaker 2 Now, if my kid was there and it's like that, then you have kind of like a cop out and all that kind of stuff. And the same goes with the jersey.

Speaker 2 Now, I know I wore that, but I'm still going to defend myself. I have not worn a jersey in public since that game.
Never, never to a sporting vet, not once.

Speaker 2 And there's no proof out there, so no one can see that.

Speaker 2 I just don't understand

Speaker 2 being a fanatic for a team in that regard because I don't have that.

Speaker 2 I i love the dodgers i love the dodgers but i'll wear a t-shirt i'll wear blue i'll wear a hat i'm not going to wear a clayton kershaw jersey to a game um

Speaker 2 so i listen i stand by it dude people can people can burn my jersey in the trash bro i just like i appreciate the fans what do you got there well is this acceptable like all right we got a giants jersey right here let me ask you a question have you worn that jacket you've probably have you worn that yeah i mean you got turtle on the back that's kind of cool i wore this episode and then i I found this tag right here.

Speaker 2 Basically, it's saying, like, the wardrobe department wrote, like, Jerry wore this with, it's what I wore for continuity. Okay, but have you worn, have you worn that jersey to a

Speaker 2 no, because it says turtle on the back. So I would just be, no, but I have worn.
You've worn a New York Knicks jersey courtside, guaranteed. I definitely worn Knicks jerseys.

Speaker 2 I've worn Yankees jerseys to Yankee games for sure.

Speaker 2 Look, I look at it differently. I understand what you're saying.
For me, if you're wearing it to a game, I get it.

Speaker 2 I don't know, man. I don't know.
I just think it's funny. I made a career off of wearing jerseys, so it's hard for me to hate on.
I get it. I just think it's funny too.

Speaker 2 If I'm walking in my town on a Sunday and there's a sports bar and it's loaded with, and I just see like a 50-year-old dude walking in with a Jalen Brunson jersey on.

Speaker 2 I'm just like, it just makes me giggle, dude. That's it.
I don't know how to explain it. So look, I took a lot of heat.
heat i i

Speaker 2 i listen i appreciate that i appreciate the debate back and forth um but that's why i'm wearing my for everybody that can see and the listeners i am wearing my old school kobe jersey this jersey has made its rounds though like this jersey it might might be time to hang it up but i'm holding on to it for dear life while shall insane also said on twitter note to self don't meet matt while wearing his jersey

Speaker 2 dude this is gonna be this is gonna be a thing now because i'm gonna i'm gonna be out and someone's going to be like, hey, do you like my jersey, bro? It's going to be a thing.

Speaker 2 I don't think the picture helps you, but we'll move on.

Speaker 2 You're safe for now.

Speaker 2 By the way, I will say this. I had a lot, you know, thanks to Andrew, our producer on here, I had a lot of guys who supported me as well.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we didn't pull those. We didn't want to hear it.

Speaker 2 We didn't look hard for those, but they're out there.

Speaker 2 I'm going to start rocking a jersey everywhere I go now. Dude, that's what I'm saying.
You got to zag while everyone is zigging and you're taking like now you

Speaker 2 it's reinvention, Maddie. maddie by the way when we have our three-point contest you best believe i will be wearing my kobe jersey

Speaker 2 well who should i wear hmm that is a good question

Speaker 2 because you can't shoot bro

Speaker 2 i'm already in your head so actually you're surprised i'm actually surprised i your your your highlights from the celebrity all-star game was not was was not bad not at all i can shoot

Speaker 2 i i talked to uh quite a few people about this three-point contest we're going to do in LA soon. And then I was reminded by one thing while I was at the Jeter.

Speaker 2 Cliff Floyd, who is not a professional golfer, I don't even know what his handicap is. He could move it.
He was still able to hit it 330 yards because he's an athlete.

Speaker 2 Your three-point shooting video is a little scary. It is a little, a lot of people have said, oh,

Speaker 2 that's trouble. He's just flicking it.
Dude,

Speaker 2 I'm telling you, man,

Speaker 2 we're going to do it at USC, the Galen Center. We're going to have an audience.

Speaker 2 I might even have USC's basketball team be there.

Speaker 2 I'm boys with the coach, and we're just going to make this.

Speaker 2 We're going to turn it into an event. All right.
Well, listen, it's time to wrap up. We like to end every week with what are we watching? What are you watching this weekend, man?

Speaker 2 It could be sports, could be TV show, could be anything. What do you want to do? I mean, we could be a player.
Yeah, I mean, I think

Speaker 2 I'm watching my Dodgers close this out, man. Like, that's my team.

Speaker 2 Tight race in the NL west um and otani just no way he gets to 60 right 66.

Speaker 2 i i it's he's gonna run out of games play yeah they only got a couple games left but um wow i i love i know i we're gonna bring in some some baseball guys here coming up on the pod just to talk baseball but i love they're nothing better than the fall football but october baseball playoffs uh but i'm i'll be watching otani and the dodgers man they need to finish strong here who's your top three do you have a top three or even just what box office must-watch players?

Speaker 2 Otani, I'm guessing, is one.

Speaker 2 Currently.

Speaker 2 I would say

Speaker 2 Otani, well, when I caught the first pitch for Reggie, I met Otani in the tunnel. That was, we posted there.
That was pretty, that was pretty amazing. Yeah.
So Otani's one.

Speaker 2 I've seen him play, but yeah, that's just one like where every time he's up to bat, you're just like, you're glued. Like every swing is like.

Speaker 2 I've seen him play in Cleveland when he was with the Angels and everyone's phone came out. Yeah, it's pretty wild.
I would say

Speaker 2 NBA, you know, I've never seen Steph Curry play in person.

Speaker 2 Incredible. That would be pretty cool, even though now, you know, not in the prime anymore, but still tremendous.
I think just the entertainment value.

Speaker 2 Gosh, who else, man? Like.

Speaker 2 Wow. Mahomes.
Mahomes. Again, just.
I have Mahomes. I have Otani.
I have Mahomes. And I got to see him in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 And it was pretty cool to see him get the ball back with a minute to go and win the game. But also Wemby.
Go see Wemby.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think too, for all everybody, you know, all the listeners and all that, like email us, talk to us. Like, who would you pay to see?

Speaker 2 What athlete would you pay to see one time in your lifetime? Yeah. You know who I'll say? Simone Biles? Simone Biles.
Yeah, this is a great thing.

Speaker 2 I appreciate greatness. I appreciate greatness and just like one of ones.
You know what I mean? Like just hard to replicate. Wemby is a perfect example.

Speaker 2 Like we'll just, I mean, we'll never see another player like that. And he's only, what, year two? Like, it's wild.

Speaker 2 And I still hold out hope. I'm not going to be able to for me.
I still hold out hope that Tiger will compete in a major again. I don't think we're ever going to see it, but I hold up hope.

Speaker 2 Dude, I saw real quick, I saw opening round U.S. Open Tiger Torrey Pines.

Speaker 2 The tournament he went

Speaker 2 extra holes with Rocco Media. Rocco Media.
When he had a broken knee. And I was like, I saw for Father's Day.
It was Father's Day weekend. It was me and my pop.
I think Cole was like two or three.

Speaker 2 And I saw, I stood on the T-box. It was the only time I've ever done this.
I stood on the T-box and watched Tiger hit hole one. It was awesome, dude.

Speaker 2 It was totally awesome. We'll never beat Peak Tiger.
It just won't happen. As great as Scotty Scheffler is, and he's amazing to watch.
There's no one like him. Do you know what I'm watching?

Speaker 2 Look, I'm obviously going to watch my Giants tonight. I'm very curious to see Packers, Vikings, and Bills, Ravens.
But going semi-sports route, the Vince McMahon documentary on Netflix just dropped.

Speaker 2 Six episodes, I think.

Speaker 2 I was a wrestler. I was a wrestling kid when I was younger.
So my brother and I still send us like, he sends me like 80s wrestler memes all day long. I got to watch that.

Speaker 2 And that's something my wife left no interest in. Zero interest.
So I'm on my own with that one. Dude, I met, speaking of autographs, I met one of a cool, I was a kid, I was like seven.

Speaker 2 I met the Ultimate Warrior. Remember the Ultimate Warrior? That's my favorite wrestler of all time.
I met him in LAX, I think when I was.

Speaker 2 I don't even know, five, six.

Speaker 2 Did you hard spot him without the face paint? No, I got his autograph on a little, like, a little just college ruled paper. i i don't have it anymore but i had it forever dude

Speaker 2 that world

Speaker 2 that world that'll be a fascinating dock that'll be a fascinating dock i can't wait to watch it i know he just released some quotes on twitter or whatever he put out a statement that he's just uh because he participated in it but he's unhappy with some of the with the takes and the version that the producers use i think bill sims is one of the producers um didn't tell the whole story and told it a certain of course he's going to say that i'm watching that this weekend uh it's time We'll talk about it next week, man.

Speaker 2 I'm curious. Yeah.

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Speaker 2 And then, yeah, pay attention to the social media. We're going to put up a poll because we got to get to the, we got to just close this jersey thing out.
So we'll see you guys next week. Later.

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, Matt, where you going quick? Where are you going? Where you going?

Speaker 2 Central Florida. By the way, DJ Khaled coming on the show.
Stop. Are you introing him?

Speaker 2 I'll probably not intro him this way. I got the intro offset, but we got DJ Khaled.
DJ Khaled's coming on.

Speaker 2 I played 1v1 with him in a golf match.

Speaker 2 Just ask him a golf question. He's going to say, let's golf right down the middle.