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And this guy was heckling all the open micers.

It was open mic night.

And I went off on him for about 20 minutes.

And he gets up.

He's got his state championship high school.

And he points it right at me.

He goes, stay, baby.

That's all I got to say.

And he walked away.

And I was like. All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks, everybody.
Got a good one for you today. Most importantly, my guy who we call Matty Ice.
Matty Ice, you literally were Matty Ice the other day. Let's go right into it because I think this is one of the more savage, confident moves I've ever heard anyone pull off.
What did you get invited to and what did you do the other day? I appreciate that because my boys, all my kids, and my wife thought otherwise. So I got to skate at Crypt crypto where the LA Kings play with some of my childhood heroes because I was a diehard Kings fan growing up.
I'm still a Kings fan. I'm a hockey fan, not as much as I've gotten older, but when I was growing up, I was super into roller hockey, rollerblades on the street, the whole shebang.
I had all the pads, everything. And I was a big Kings fan.
So that era of the early nineties Kings, Gretzky, Robitaille, Rob Blake, Granada. I mean, I can literally name 15 guys on that team right now.
Tomas Sandstrom, Yari Curry, Dave Taylor. Anyway.
So a good girlfriend of mine works for the Kings and she actually, this involves us. She had actually hit me up and said, said hey do you guys have interest in doing the pod kind of throwbacks on the red carpet like you did for fanatics and i was like i don't think we can do it jerry's not here it was three days prior i love that's like our thing now though hey you got a red carpet need a podcast call throwbacks immediately i was i said can i play and i had no idea and she you skate? And I go, I've skated before.
I'm an athlete. I like to think that I can skate.
In my mind, I'm thinking this is going to be just celebrities, athletes, like one of those, like a celebrity NBA all-star game where you just get a collection of people. More funny and fun than competitive.
More fun and informal. Little did I know when I saw, basically she goes, yes.
And this is all for LA Relief for the fires, for the first responders. Great cause.
Incredible best. And a lot of the first responders played on the teams.
It was a really first, well done by the Kings and raised a lot of money for all of the families and first responders. So she goes, can you skate? I go, basically, sort of lie, but yeah, I can skate a little bit.
And within an hour, she's like, you're in. And I said, I was- Got nervous.
And then the teams get announced. And I look at these names, Jerry, and I see Mark Messier.
I see- Love Messier. I see Theo Fleury back with the flames, the Calgary Flames back in the day.
I see Nelson Emerson, and I remember him from the Blues. P.K.
Subban was there. I see a lot of former Kings guys that I'm friends with from just living in the South Bay.
And then I look at my team, and I have Rob Blake. Marty McSorley was a coach who I know.
Tony Granada, who I was a huge fan of when he was playing for the kings in the early 90s i started sweating i was i was like i don't think i i can't do this i'm gonna back out i told josie i was like i'm gonna back out i'm something's gonna come i can't do this and she goes no it won't be that bad it won't be that bad it's different it is different and and i'll tell you this i'll never forget i'm walking i'm walking in there and i see kopitar and i know Kopi a little bit from the South Bay. Kopi's a legend.
And I go, he goes, what's up, man? I go, Kopi, I'm nervous as shit, man. He goes, oh, you'll be fine.
You're an athlete. You'll be fine.
Dead serious. I go, this isn't like just putting on football clips and running on the grass.
This is skating on ice with Marc Messier, a top three player of all time. And by the way way i was on the ice at some point skating with suban and mark messier and taylor kitch by the way taylor kitch is a hell of a player he's a canadian he could play but he played like low level college hockey or something so yeah my biggest thing and i'll end it here my biggest thing was i did a lot better than i thought but i can't't skate backwards.
So any moment where I was like playing defense,

I had to just skate forward

and try and play a little defense.

But I missed a one-timer from Joe Maurer.

That was the highlight.

Joe Maurer-

Oh, we got to post this video.

I saw it.

He missed you.

He didn't go stick side.

Great story, real quick.

Joe Maurer, we're the same high school grade.

Joe Maurer was the number one player

in football and baseball.

He's a quarterback.

He committed to four-stakes. Number one in both at the same time.
He was USA today, player of the year in both sports. Never forget committed to Florida state.
And he obviously was, I don't know if he was number one pick, but he was, you know, top five pick in the MLB draft and went on to have a great career for Minnesota twins and all that. And we were talking and all this, but he plays hockey like he's in Minnesota.
So he has a rink in his backyard. His boys play and all this stuff.
It was awesome. He's the one to pass it to me.
And it was a little bit between my skates and I missed it. It was a bad pass.
I saw it. The puck goes the other way and they ended up scoring.
And I took myself out. I said, guys, I'm not playing anymore.
I can't do this shit. So a couple of things I got for you.
Number one, it is such a savage move because like when you say you can skate, right? You can't like hockey skating is different than like, Hey, I took the boys to the ice skating rink. Cause like you said, skating backwards, stopping all that.
And then you bring up roller hockey. I play, I loved roller hockey, but I'm old enough to remember playing roller hockey before rollerblades were like invented.
There was no roller, but like on four wheels the wayne gretzky roller skates which were these skates to have and pick up roller hockey which is very very different than rollerblades which is then very very different than skating so i was a rollerblades guy yeah i think that's our four year in those four year age gap between us is when rollerblades became i i thing i had the lightning it was the the lightning. And I remember I asked for Christmas.
For two years, I was every day in the street, I think I was nine or 10 years old, every day in the street, I had hockey nets. And I lived on a street growing up that was kids everywhere.
And we would all congregate in front of my house. We would put, you know, the car, you know, you yell car, you go to the guys fight or no? We fought a lot.
This is when I was super fat. So at one point there's this kid named Kevin Stuby.
I'll never forget. Stuby, putting him on blast.
Let's go. He was across the street to us, like three houses to the right.
So pretty close. And we lived in like, you know, we're like a little middle-class like santa ana and on a residential street and one time he was just ripping me fat you fat this whatever and my brother my i think my brother took a hockey stick and just my brother my brother was five years older tough fought ever he was just he always protected me and he just no i think he just went and he just straight whacked walking whacked him in the face dude broke his nose.
And he never made fun of me ever again with one of the hockey. I used to tape the hockey sticks.
I was, the experience was amazing. And you got the two new hips.
Did you worry about the new hips on the ice at all? No, because I wasn't going fast enough. I just didn't want to fall.
At one point, I almost fell one and one of the guys kind of caught me. I did, I did did high stick someone in the face though we were in the corner of the boards oh and it was like a little puck you know i was trying to get it and i was like i was like trying to flick it and i i got his helmet off and i was like oh shit my bad i don't remember who it was my bad dude and in my moment i'm thinking my whole my whole thought process was like these fucking guys these athletes are crazy can you imagine full speed being on the ice like i would die doesn't get enough credit among like american fans shout outs you did it it's one and here's what i'll end it with this so fun man i saw the videos i saw the pictures you look like a hockey player bro well by the way you're like what six nine on six ten on skates granado nelson emerson and uh blake who were the three i was kind of hanging with and talking in the locker room but we were in the full locker room getting dressed i didn't know how to get dressed i was like guys i need help it was someone pad me up guys pad and granado granado looks at me he goes he goes we could work with this you could have been a fucking great defenseman yeah because i'm six eight and i'm long arms yeah and i'm like trust me guys.
In another lifetime, I would have loved to play hockey. But it was cool, man.
Well, big shout outs and great cause. I'm glad you did that.
We got a good one for you today. Our guest today is a friend of both of ours.
We met him very, very different ways. Comedian, Gary Owen, lots of movies, lots of shows.
I did think like a man, one and two with him. And we're going to talk about this in the interview.
He used to come roast you guys at USC, right? Is that true? You bring like Kevin Hart even, and you just torch you guys. You got to listen to him because 20, gosh, was that 20, 20 years ago or so, a little over 20 years ago, he would come roast the team, him and a pre-Kevin Hart before anyone knew who Kevin Hart was.
And he's had a great,'s had a great career big bangles fan too by the way so we'll talk a little bangles with him and i just remember with gary like we did think you know this movie think like a man which was based on uh this kind of romance self-help book that steve harvey wrote act like a lady think like a man right it has all these rules like he used to have the 90-day rule, Steve Harvey. In the book, he says, my dad worked for Ford.
He would not qualify for health insurance until he worked 90 days. So ladies, you got to make your man wait 90 days before giving it up.
If they make you wait 90 days for health health insurance shouldn't you make a man wait 90 days so it's like stuff like that this amazing producer will packer had the idea let's make this into a movie with an ensemble cast i got offered the part and i read the script scripts really really funny and i start hearing like oh kevin hart's involved gary owen and then i see i i have like this storyline where like my girlfriend in the movie wants badly to get engaged and i'm like cold feet guy and then i find out oh they we cast the girl too who would play you know opposite you i'm like who is it it's a gabrielle union i said i'm out i'm out i'm not doing it and like why do you not like Gabrielle? I love Gabrielle Union.

She's amazing.

There's no one on the face of the earth

that's going to believe

that she wants to marry me

and I'm on the fence

and don't want to do it.

So, of course,

we talked about it

and we ended up doing the movie.

And what was cool about it was,

I think the movie,

I don't know how much it was actually made for,

11, 12, 13 million, somewhere in there by even numbers 15 years ago that's not a big budget movie and i remember this was like right out of entourage you get tracking anytime a movie's coming out right so like the the monday or tuesday before hey it's tracking to open at like 10 million which would be really cool and it's 12 million hey if it makes, almost get its budget back, that's a great opening weekend. Friday night, the movie's getting ready to open.
By Saturday morning, we're getting emails. It might open at 30.
And now I'm getting like- Hell yeah. Ari, man, the real Ari's emailing me.
Congrats, this is going to be huge. I'm getting all these emails.
One of my agents from WME said, the movie opens 30 million, number one, beats out a Zac Efron movie at the box office, right? Number one in the box office, Kevin Hart. Tell me it was High School Musical.
Was it High School Musical? No, it was like one of those, like it wasn't the notebook, but it was a Nicholas Sparks novel, like the notebook. Oh yeah, I remember that one.
And I get a from uh richard whites an amazing agent at wme says we're going to the lakers your lakers courtside it was easter sunday matt so we're coming up on an anniversary soon just like out of entourage got the number one movie in the country and you're sitting courtside so we go to the game we're sitting on the floor it was. It was Lakers thunder.
This is so long ago. James Harden was still on the thunder.
If anyone remembers the game where Ron Artest, Metta World Peace, he elbowed James Harden in the head and knocked him unconscious. Harden leaves the game.
So we go to the fourth quarter. Game is super tight.
And it was, season's almost over. Playoff position at stake.
A loose ball comes right at my agent and i's lap okay and serge abaca and kobe bryant are running full this is when guys cared about the regular season shot they are running full speed at us and it's happening so fast and we just start putting our hands up and kobe and serge dive into us i by a half an inch miss getting decapitated and kobe goes shoulder first into my agent's face rips the chairs out from the court my popcorn goes flying we go in the air and they both land on top of us people come peeling bodies i remember steve blake was the one like No one helped me. They all picked Kobe up.
And at some point, as we're trying, my agent is bleeding from the mouth. He has to go get medical attention.
Kobe and I lock eyes. He doesn't lock eyes on me, but he's aware that he almost killed us.
And he basically is like, I guess he must have caught me. And he goes, oh, I heard the movie did good this weekend.
Congrats. And went back onto the court.
And the Lakers win the game. I forget what seed.
And that was my real-life entourage moment. And Gary Owen was a big part of Think Like a Man 1.
And then we talked a lot about Think Like a Man 2. So that was story time from Uncle Jerry.
And now it's time for us to do our fresh moves of the week. Brought to you by Wendy go to wendy's taste the difference in a hamburger matt i think there's only one place we could really go with the fresh move of the week we just mentioned the lakers from years ago speaking of the lakers go from kobe to lebron i think we all have to take a moment and acknowledge of course it's going to be peaks and valleys with Luka

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You were there in the building. We're seeing

some stuff from LeBron that's

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anymore defensively and

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We talked about this. And again, we talked about Luka trading how and why and all these things and are they going to fit and all this.
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And so I was at the game with Cole and it was, it was incredible to watch because again, like you just said, regular season basketball and Lakers are Lakers are four seed right now or third or fourth seed right now. They're right there.
And the thing that was the craziest thing to me was I was watching this with Cole, who knows basketball as well as us. When Luka's on the court with LeBron and even in Austin Reeves or whoever, Luka dominates the ball, which he should.
And that's what LeBron has done. He's like, you guys, you and Austin dominate the ball on the court.
You almost felt like LeBron wasn't even like, I've, I went three or four minutes thinking, Oh my God, I forgot LeBron was on the court. LeBron James is on the court.
I forgot LeBron was on the court. And then fast forward to the fourth period where LeBron is on the court at one point with Gabe Vincent, Finney Smith, like Goodwin, who we just signed, maybe Jackson Hayes.
Like it was none of the starters. And he went for what, 14 or 16 in the fourth quarter.
And it just reminded you of his magic. But then it reminded you of these guys are going to be fucking dangerous when the playoffs come because you have Austin Reeves.
We talked about the best third option in the NBA. Someone said that this week.
I don't know if it was Jalen Rose or someone on a pod. Austin Reeves is a star.
He is a absolute star when he has the ball. This team, I'm telling you, man, this they're going to be they're going to be dangerous and it was fun it was fun to watch luca stare down the bench well that's a picture that yeah yeah it was uh there was there was good energy in crypto it was fun to watch and luca and he had a triple double i mean he was you know quiet scoring but like 20 i think he had 2011 and 15 or something like it was just just, he's a B.
It really is. I know this trade has been talked about ad nauseum.
It's got to make you nervous. No, it's just like, it's, it's the, the perfect timing.
I'm a big timing guy. Obviously if Luca and LeBron played together five years ago, it would have been awesome because LeBron was five years younger, but it really does just look like LeBron is at a perfect place in his life and career where he knows how to help manage this situation perfectly and give what is needed at the right time.
And even like the defensive efforts that we're seeing, which come on, he has not been putting in hard. I don't blame the guy.
I mean, I play pickup at 40 years old and defense isn 41 years even talked about and the fact that one of those guys is going to be on the court at every point in every game is is scary i do think there'll be some lulls here and there and yeah i still see 40 year old lebron stuff but yeah man it's it's scary and that is definitely the fresh move because it's also happening way quicker than I thought. Way quicker.
They're 13-3 in their last 16. They're going to be very dangerous.
The size is still a factor, the lack of size. But again, I would just argue the opposite.
Who's going to defend them? You're going to have to score. And their defense is great.
Their defense, as of currently, right now. Now, a lot of that's carryover from ad but their defense is good they have like ruey plays good defense finney smith vanderbilt they have a lot of guys they can throw at guys and and by the way jackson hayes has been he he gets he goes four for four every game with dunks or layup and eight rebounds like i like when they put ruey at the five too that's such a fun look if you don't have a huge seat and then the last part of it is like the fact that austin reeves was not involved in the trade that is really the part that logo did because you'd almost say hey if it was ad and austin reeves and max christie and a number one christie's max christie's ball i knew the minute that trade happened i watched him at the garden that night when they destroyed the knicks i'm like he, I'm not saying he's a good player.
He should be in a Luka trade as like a centerpiece, but he is a very, very good player. Goes great with Kyrie.
Kyrie was awesome, but yeah, man. Fresh moves of the week brought to you by Wendy's.
It's the Lakers. I hate, I know, I know everybody wants to hear it, but yeah.
Lakers-Knicks finals? Are we already, are we just manifesting the Lakers-Knicks? Man, I was just on a i was on ian begley's uh show about the name listen it is bad right now in you're the three seed you guys are you guys are right there we're we're knicks fans are just that we're not sane people right like it's obviously i've watched i've watched you watch a game in person but but i see i'm not panicking at the oh and seven verse the calves and the thunder and the celtics like i knew going into the season that the celtics are going to be almost impossible to beat in in the east right take the west out for a second the calves have been amazing this regular season they have the best shot but i'm also not panicking at We're 37-20, and we lost two games in a row.

Yeah, you're fine.

But no, if you ask Knick fans right now, fire Tibbs, get rid of Leon Rose,

Kat's not the answer, Bridges needs to go to the bench.

That's what's going on in Knicks Twitter right now.

Anyway, I think we need a little laughter after some of that.

And after that rant, let's bring in our guy, Gary Owen.

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Gary, thanks for coming on, man. We were just talking a little bit off the air, but before we dive fully in, we met on Think Like a Man 1, okay? Bring me back to how did that part come to you? Because at the time, obviously, you're doing well as a comedian, but that was really, it wasn't your first acting job, but you came in, you had a pretty big part in that movie.
I met Will Packer on a boat cruise. A boat cruise? Where were you guys going? Well, it was, Tom Joyner was a syndicated radio host.
And so he did this boat cruise. We hired comedians.
He basically buys the whole boat, like a Royal Caribbean boat. And all the money goes to HBCUs.
And so they hire all these people, comedians, singers. And then that's where I like, start talking to Will a lot.
And this was like 2009. And, you know, we, we filmed the 2011 thing like a man.
And, and then he, he just, I had a meeting with a guy named Rodney Barnes and he was like, yo, Will Packer just brought you up the other day. I go, for what? He goes, some movie they're doing about some Steve Harvey book.
So I called Will. I said, yo, what's this Brokeback Mountain 2 movie I've been hearing about? And then Will was like, no, no, no.
He goes, we got this movie and we got two white guys in it. And we need white guys that can hang out with black guys, but not try to be black.
He goes. So they called you? They called me.
I think I was on board before Kevin because he told me I'm flying to Dallas to go see Kevin in concert. He goes, and I'm trying to get in his ear about the movie.
And so I think I was one of the first ones.

You're the first one on?

I know I committed.

I mean, it wasn't like these big movies

was knocking on my door like that.

So I was like, I'm a comedian.

I'm on the road.

I get offered like small parts, like The Waiter.

And so like, but to be a major role,

I was like, I told Will, I said, yeah,

I told my agent, I said, look, just don't mess it yeah just i told my agent i said look just don't mess it up i'm gonna do it just don't mess it up jerry was telling me something about so i just i showed this picture and we're gonna post this it's it's you guys well that's part two that's part but that's part two so jerry was explaining somehow i think what and you might be uh better at this jerry the girls and think like a man 1 all came out of a scene. They look great.
And then in Think Like a Man 2, apparently you guys all had to do some male strip thing or something, Jared? What was that about? I'll set the table for Gary. If you recall, Gary, and when we say all the girls, it was Taraji Henson, it's Gabrielle Union, Regina.
It's an amazing cast, right? The girls shot this scene in and think like a man too the whole story of the movie is the guys are on a bachelor party the girls are on a bachelorette party they go off and have a drunken night and they basically shoot like a fake poison video from bell biv devoe but they're all dressed up having an amazing night they all look great we see these this video and we're like holy shit that's amazing that's gonna be great in going to be great in the movie. And then the producers started circling and saying, now you guys are going to have to do something.
We're thinking a male review at like a strip club. And Gary, I don't know if you recall this.
You've never seen six dudes instantly be like, we got to get to the gym. We got to get to the gym.
We were on lock for about two weeks like i don't know why we thought our bodies was gonna get ripped in two weeks but every night we would get off and we'd see all well the five of us would be in the gym and then kev was at another spot probably with the trainer but remember it was like romany was doing these exercises i've never seen. Romany was only deadlifting, but like with weird, he's doing like a Rocky and Russia workout.
Jerry's brought this up. It's like, I don't know if there's, we've said, is there more pressure of throwing a touchdown in like an NFL stadium or getting ready for like either a sex scene or a shirtless scene in a movie, especially when you aren't ripped.
Like I'm not ripped ripped. So was there pressure just to look good, or did you just say, fuck it, I don't care? Well, good for me.
I was playing a dad, so I was the dad. You look good in that pic.
I have an average-looking dad bod. There wasn't too much pressure on me.
One of my favorite parts of the movie, Matt, where we're doing the scene in the jail cell after we do that male review gary's in a dominatrix outfit we're like assless chaps on we're all in this jail cell gag ball and gary was playing the only dad in the movie and my character was like we were thinking about having a baby so he gives me like the advice and then gary goes over to the payphone for his character's one call next thing i know i, I start hearing, like, are there any dogs in the house? And I'm like, is he fucking doing Ray Lewis? And sure enough, give me that improv where you're calling your kids from a jail cell. Well, I was in the van about the head home.
And I kept telling, like, Tim and Will, I said, yo, I got a ray lewis man i go i think it would work good in this scene because there wasn't much to it me giving you advice on being a dad right i said man i i think this will work and to tim and will's credit i couldn't do it like like in a room with them two just looking at me so i was was in the van headed home and they said, Hey, Gary,

come try this real quick before you take off.

So I came back in and we were such a, all the guys like really, um, well, how can I avoid this? Uh, we went to bat for each other.

Like you weren't like, no, I got to get back to the hotel.

We've already been here 12 hours. All the guys was like,

if the scene's going to work, everybody stayed, everybody reacted. reacted and scene ended up working but it literally just me telling will and tim yo i got a pretty good ray lewis because i did it ray lewis used to have a charity event in the summer called ray's summer days in baltimore and he hired me every year so that's where i started imitating him was at at his event in front of him in front of oh god god yeah yeah yeah so he had one of the great walkouts one of the great walkouts of all time oh no no question ray loved it so i go okay if i got raised they have approval on it you know and i'm not an impression guy is my stand-up so i was like let me try it i just remember when i got done shooting it i walked by will and he just gave me a little fist pound like boop boop.
And I was like, I think it's going to make it. Hell, yeah.
So I was telling Jerry this when we found out you were coming on. You remember the USC days when you came out? Man, do I? So I want to ask you.
I don't know if I've run into you since then. Reggie and I talk about you all the time because I think you're tight with Reggie, right? You still talk to him or whatever.
That was 2000, gosh, two, three, four, kind of that era. We would go up to Wayne Hughes' estate who was a big USC donor, public storage, Al Cowlings, OJ's driver.
AC hired me. AC hired you? Okay, so I remember he hired you to do that for us? Yeah, he's the one that contacted me.

Oh, okay.

I was going to ask you just how that came about,

but I just remember that was early in your career, right?

Very early in your career?

Yeah, I'd been doing about five years.

And I'll never forget.

I think Kevin Hart was there.

About Kevin the second year.

Yeah, the second year. And I remember, I'll never forget this, Jerry.
He's like, Gary was doing his thing. Everyone was like, I, you know, who's this white comedian? He was hilarious, all this kind of stuff.
And then, then there's little old Kevin before Kevin became Kevin Hart. And I remember, I kind of remember like the whole team just roasting him.
Like who's this short mother? Like they got a really good. And now I'm looking back like 30 years later.
I'm like, God damn, that was, that was Gary Owen andary owen and kevin art so how i mean you said al but how do you remember much of that time like that was so fun for us to to be able to do that with you guys yeah i i got a call and they said hey this um they're doing a private show for usc's football team and then some middle agent called then i got on the phone with al and he said yeah do you want to do it i said yeah and i just i don't remember i don't remember the first year matt two comics went up before me and bombed and i was like yo these are 18 to 22 year old dudes they don't want to hear about your kids on the honor roll or if you are married they don't want to hear who was do you remember who it was i know who it was but to do that to them, right? So I said, well, I'm not going to do no jokes. I'm just going to go in on people.
Yeah, you did. So I just started picking people off.
And I remember Lee Webb walked up. He's like the backup running back.
Lee Webb. He got on stage and was like touching me.
We had a good back and forth. Then they had these little two Asian DBs.
I went off on them. The team brothers.
Then you had an Asian offensive coordinator. Norm Chow.
Norm Chow. So I said, yeah, I remember this joke.
Because I go, who's the Asian dude? And they were like, it's Norm Chow. It's our offensive coordinator.
I go, now it makes sense. Because I was like, he's probably telling Reggie, run through the three and three quarter hole.
And they're like, there's no such thing. It's three and four.
He goes, no, it's there. You must find it, Reggie.
I said, anybody tackle Reggie? He can go through the three and three quarter hole. So then, it so afterwards al was like yo uh they they had me um who was the donor the the house it was at wayne hughes he owns a public storage yeah so wayne had me up to his house afterwards and we're talking and he was like yo we're having you back next year so they called me the next year they said bring somebody at that time nobody knew who kevin was but me and kevin was real cool so i remember i guess kev two thousand dollars you want to do it he was like what in la i was like yeah i know right right i go it's so much money at usc bro yeah so kev gets there and i tell him i said don't do no jokes bro they don't want to hear your jokes i go just start going in on them and then i'll come in after you and he goes all right comics always think this we always think nah nah i'm gonna do my jokes yo when i say it was it was it was crashing and burning on kev i remember like they was like and you had a lineman i'll I'll forget, we got him.
You had a lineman. It was Fred Matua.
Is that who yelled out? He was the Samoan guy. He actually passed away.
I remember it vividly. I'm almost positive.
I remember Lee Webb got up there because Lee was from Compton. He got up when you were messing with him.
I think it was Fred Matua because he was our loud energy and he's pretty funny. I'm almost positive it was Fred that went in on Kevin and I was like, oh shit.
It wasn't going well for him. I'll never forget it.
He said, yo, why does that sidekick look like a VCR on your hip? And Kev was like, oh, this is what we're doing? And that was Kev saving grace because then Kev started going in on people then he got him and then i went up there got him again and it was just after that and i i got done i go kev i told you no jokes it was he goes you got you guys it was so much fun i remember i'll never forget that it was like it was a we did a few you know we go bowling and we do we go to the avp tour in manhattan Beach every fall. But that kind of became, I don't know if you went back after that.
I think I was gone the next year. But that was a fun couple of years for us.
Like, I'll never forget that. You guys were awesome.
Yeah, I went every year that Carol was there. Right.
Okay. So even when you guys left, even in the Mark Sanchez days, John David Bootydb that was that was easy i think can you get a bit easier last name for his his nephew his nephew's name is general booty and he plays in college football general booty general booty yeah oh i hope he goes to the nfl i would love to hear that talk about the means you can do with that.
The Bengals select general booty, even though they're never picking a quarterback. Did, uh, were you, did, uh, I think the cat, did Kevin open for you on tour at that time? Or like, what was the next step for you after that? No, he went over for, we were just like, we were both at a level.
Like we were just taking gigs. So it was like, you get a phone call.
Yeah. I got Kevin, somebody else or else or something and then you know kev always brings us up too he goes dude you were the you were one of the comics that always put money in my pocket when a lot of when i wasn't making a lot he always brings that up so it's nice to know like you appreciate you're appreciated years later but no we were just taking gigs like my career was like on a a hamster, on a wheel for about 10 years.
I was doing good. I was headlining comedy clubs.
But I kind of knew how many tickets I was selling every week. And then the perfect storm came was the 2010-11 timeframe because I got on this show called Live from the Nokia with Mike Epps.
And this is when comedy shows are going on DVD and being sold in Best Buy. And if you can get on one, I mean, that could take your career to another level.
And I got on that and I got Think Like a Man. And then I had my special come out shortly after.
It was like five things in about 18 months that really resonated with people. And so that was, then my career kind of went, took off, and then Cavs really took off after Think Like a Man.
Yeah, I feel like when we were shooting, so Think Like a Man came out, much to everyone's surprise, made a lot more money than anyone thought. We did the sequel right away, and it kind of matched Kevin's ascension, who was already killing it as a comic, but Gary, you remember like, we would shoot a scene, Matt, in Vegas on like, Vegas on like a Friday night wrap up at like 8 o'clock at night and then we have to be back 6am Monday morning and Kevin went to like 4 cities that week he would leave Vegas and he was in Atlanta he was in Florida and he's back at 5.30am in the trailer like skipping rope getting ready to shoot so I was watching this crazy rise like they almost felt like there was two of them but uh yeah he always came back and i still think every time i go to vegas gary i don't go often these days but i still do i look at caesars because that's where we shot mainly the planet hollywood and i just look i'm like man it was july it was vegas in july as we all know is kind of pure nightclub you guys were you guys were hitting up here back in the day.
I don't even know if we were hitting up nightclubs. I think at one point it became like, we have to just make it through this alive.
Yeah, Ely said it best. I caught Michael Ely just walking around outside Caesars, like one of those old Asian men, like ham behind his...
I go, Mike, what are you doing? He goes, Gary, you got to get outside. You're breathing that recycled air.
You just got to get some air. You don't realize what it's doing to you.
I think, Jerry, you said it best when we did the table read for Think Like a Man 1. And then we was like, yo, Kevin's got a lot of funny lines here.
So when came out you said it you said yo we did that first table read it was set up for kev to hit a home run we just didn't know how far he was going to hit it right and he hit it i think it's still going yeah you know what i mean like yeah sometimes that's where i think it becomes like sports too man i really do think sometimes whether's a film or a show, like you get that feeling where you have the group that all gets along and has the talent and has the chemistry, but you see like that one or two, like, oh, like this dude's going to win MVP or this dude, this is all we got. He's a star.
This is the guy. We have the rookie of the year.
So yeah, man, it's, it's still, I still get mad at Kevin because he used to always wreck my trailer. Did get you too he got me he has it yeah he has this thing matt like you you know y'all have your trunks i would walk into my trailer and the whole entire thing would be wrecked my backpack dumped out couch cushions but i don't even know what he did into the in the bathroom was disgusting like just the whole thing is wrecked so i got him back a couple years ago we did a we did a movie called back on the strip that absolutely nobody saw i don't think i say i support i support yeah it's on netflix gary i'll watch it tonight no i don't think netflix knows it's out roku yeah it's better than tubie but not quite netflix ready but Kevin, like two days on set.
And I said, is he coming? And they said, yeah. So I went in his trailer.
And when he walked in, I was like in my drawers and a tank top. And I popped up from his fridge.
I go, Kev, is he coming too? I was all in his snacks The best part is the snacks You said something on I love your relationship with Shaq We just had a little run in with Shaq At the Super Bowl in New Orleans He like We think he fucked with me I'm pretty sure it's confirmed That we've messaged since then Jerry you're fucking overthinking this dude i the whole red carpet we were on gary we were doing the show from there everyone would come down and be like matt great to see you and look at me and be like oh fuck this guy i don't know why everyone was shitting on me that day i have no idea gary shat shat comes up he was kidding i think michael rube michael rubin shit michael rubin didn't recognize jerry rubin just walked back 80 pounds from entourage he's like you were that was you he's like you're skinny now. Shaq comes up.
Oh, it's hilarious. I've been skinny for 15 years.
Shaq comes up and we're talking to him and he's looking at me the whole time. He goes, I don't like this guy.
I don't like this fucking guy. He's looking at me pointing at Jerry.
I don't like this fucking guy. Like three times.
And I'm like, and Shaq's a big kid, you know? So I'm like, you know, whatever. Jerry's kind of looking at him like looking like this.
Why? Why? And he goes, I love this guy. And he gave him this big fucking hug.
And then, but at the end, he goes, hey, Matt, anytime you want me on your pod, just hit me up. He doesn't even acknowledge Jerry.
And then goes and says, I got to take a shit, shit boys i'm out that's that's literally what our interview was but jerry to this day thinks that shack was like big time and i'm like i think there's like 10 chance that he maybe thinks something so i've had great encounters with shack over the years here or there um but i'm wondering like did i also i talk a lot about sports did i ever say like uh dwight howard was better than shack no i never would never would say that because I don't believe that. You know you didn't say that.
Nobody said that. Hell no.
Well, you went in. I mean, you had some good Dwight Howard stuff on Shaq's pod.
I listened to that whole pod. But you said something really great on that podcast when Shaq was talking to you about like, it must be hard being a comedian right now because everybody's trying to cancel.
This is a year ago. I think you did it.
Everyone's always trying to cancel you for a joke. And you said, basically, you were like, those people who try to do that weren't going to come see my show anyway.
So it doesn't really matter. All they try to do is just maybe get other people to not see it.
So now it's been a year since you did that. And you've spent a year on the road doing your thing.
How do you feel like comedy and being a comedian right now? For me, I love it. I feel like the comedians are the last line of defense.
Like if you guys go down and start getting canceled, I feel like we're all fucked. You know, like we can't say anything ever again.
How do you feel like it's been since a year since doing that Shaq pod? I still feel the same way. I think we're in the golden age for comedians.
I think you got more comedians right now selling tickets, doing theaters, doing arenas. Comedy clubs are packed because you don't need the quote unquote machine anymore.
Right. It used to be when I started, you needed a producer or a director or somebody to see something in you to put you on something.
Now, as long got your phone you can record anything you want and you can put any any clip stand-up clip you want out there and you never know what's going to go viral i mean look at the guy now is matt reif yeah he is ohio right huh he's ohio columbus guy yeah but he's a guy that like posts something on tiktok goes to bed wakes up the next morning it's like 70 million people saw this joke and he's like what just happened you know and all of a sudden the clubs are just selling out it's funny like as long as i've been doing this i remember i was in harford connecticut and kev was coming two weeks after me and he was already sold out and i go kev selling tickets like that and same thing with matt rife i was in atlanta and he was coming to a comedy club this is like year and a half two years ago and he was already sold out and i go mass selling tickets like that it's funny how you can see it coming right in the comedy clubs but to answer your question like it it still holds true like if you see a clip of somebody of a two three minute bit and you don't like it just keep it moving why do people feel like they have to i have to say this right you know it's similar i'll give you an example like my my brother passed away of a heroin overdose the week after i'm watching saturday night live and they're doing a sketch on heroin and I have more people hit me up like, aren't you mad?

You're going to say something?

I said, they're not.

It's not like they said, oh, Gary Owen's brother died.

Let's do this sketch.

I am.

By the way, it was accurate.

Right.

It was how they acted.

You know, like my brother would have laughed if he would have saw it.

I think people think we're talking directly to them.

If we say like somebody in a wheelchair or somebody's got a big nose or whatever it is. You know, they're like, oh, he's talking about my cousin.
And that's not what we're doing. We don't know you.
I feel like the Tom Brady roast was like, we're back. I don't know.
I'm a fan of comedy. I watch guys like you and just other guys.
And I felt like watching that roast,

it just, it had everything.

Like Nikki Glaser was great.

Hitchcliffe.

Hitchcliffe.

He was just going in on it.

I thought that was, for me, it was like,

damn, like we're back.

And again, I think you've always been there,

but as far as just like nothing censored,

we're going to fucking say what we want.

It's on Netflix live. Like it was, I thought that event was incredible.
I think it's, the cancel culture is starting to get like canceled now. To cancel like the cancel culture.
Yeah, like people were sick of it. We've jumped the shark.
We've jumped the shark. I mean, you see it, you see like a guy named, you see Andrew Schultz or you see Jane Gillis.
And the way they're pushing the envelope and Tony Hedgecliffe and all that, it's like, you can see like, oh, this is what we want. We want to go into these rooms and be uncomfortable.
We want this dark humor and no one like, you know, nobody's taking it personal. You know, there's no malicious intent behind it, I should say.
Of course, I watched the brady roast i enjoyed the brady roast i did flinch not because i thought any joke was like inappropriate like well you cross a lot i and maybe it's because i have kids now and we're going to talk about all our kids in a minute here i got some i got some questions and i got some things to get off my chest but i was just watching some of it being like oh man his kids are going to hear about one at school that's where my mind went to like i would have found that at like 15 years old i would have went to school and then like now we're gonna roast brady's kid you know so i was just thinking about his kids walking in the next day after that roast not that i thought it was funny though dude it was very funny it was very too funny i'll give i'll give you an answer to that jerry so when we had when i had my reality show on bet right yep these couple girls was like talking a little stuff to my daughter and she was like she came home and she goes you know i you know i just how they were talking to me and everything else i said hold on hold on you're on tv every week they're at panera getting a uh a croissant i said you don't get judged you judge them that's right now hell yeah you on tv i said they're on panera i said no they don't get to judge you and she kind of looked at me like all right i think i got it you know that's what I'd be doing if I was Brady's kids. Who are you? My dad's Tom Brady, bro.
Exactly. When did your relationship, because you guys go back with Shaq.
You guys go back almost since you started, right? Pretty much like early, very early in your career. He introduced me to my first wife.
I did not know that.

He did.

She worked for him at Twism.

Shaq used to have a record label.

Twism.

A clothing line called Twism.

Yes, I remember.

I remember.

She worked at Twism.

And he brought his staff to a comedy club.

And I was open micing at the time.

This is like 98.

And he brought him out to the comedy store one night. And that's where I literally met Shaq and her in the same night.
And then I started going to like the Twism warehouse in Compton. And he'd be there sometimes.
I'd be ganking all these shirts and shorts. I was so mad when he left the Lakers because they weren't half my wardrobe because he's got Twizzled down you have to go to miami there was just i think just yesterday there was a clip of uh a female comedian i don't know if you saw it i don't know her name just absolutely ripping an audience member i think he was heckling her i saw that i saw that oh it's like something like being like some of the vibes it was something yeah he was he was he was heckling her saying probably normal shit that you would hear and then she just lost it and she started like she like lost it like she like the comedy went away it wasn't comedic yeah has that has that ever happened to you where you're just like i want to beat the fuck out of that guy when i leave this place.
There's been a couple there. If you go on YouTube, there's one,

it's a funny backstory that it's, if you look up like Gary Olin Dusty,

there was a guy named Dusty in the audience. And I was at the,

I'll never forget. I was at a Dayton funny bone.

And I went there to get ready for my late,

late show with Craig Ferguson set.

So I'm supposed to do five minutes clean. And I said,

let me just run up here and work on this. And this guy was heckling all the open micers.
It was open mic night.

Thank you. a Craig Ferguson set.
So I'm supposed to do five minutes clean. And I said, let me just run up here and work on this.
And this guy was heckling all the open micers. It was open mic night.
And they just couldn't get through their set. Right.
He was literally being a jerk. And I said, I told the man, I said, put me up and don't kick him out.
And so he put me up and I went off on him for about 20 minutes. And I got about 10 15 on on youtube but here's the best and you guys appreciate this matt being an athlete this this is all you gotta know about dusty he gets up he's got his state championship high school ring i'll never forget valley view high school and he points it right at me go stay baby that's all i got to say were you died laughing on camera because he's this close to my face and i'm just looking at this valley view 1995 state championship ring keep in mind this is 15 years later is that division three that's the? Ballydu was worse than that.
That was like Crossroads. I can only imagine.
I always say too, I don't know if you've ever been asked by a young comic or the whole advice question. I get asked it with acting and acting is like the worst way to give advice because there's no route i always just tell people look whatever you got to take classes do student films whatever just go do it and see if you love it because the whole thing is designed to make you quit and i feel like stand up is the same way it is designed to make you do it and be like holy fuck the same for me i'm out and quit so quit.
So the best advice is just go do it because if you don't love it, you will quit.

And I feel like sports are similar,

at least at some point.

I'm sure, Matt, when some athletes turn pro

and get on in their career,

whether it's finances or whatever it becomes about,

but at some point you had to love it

or else you would have probably stopped.

And I feel like stand-up is one of the biggest reasons. Like, just go.
If you could survive those open mics with five people and more comics in the back and Valley View state champs heckling you, you're going to be okay. And you still want to do it the next day? You're going to be all right.
It's the strongest drug I've ever taken. The rush must be insane, right? I've heard people that have done numerous drugs and been in rehab, and they're like, it's just the rush, and everything goes away.
And stand-up's very similar. No matter what you got going on in your life, it's like the best form of therapy.
It's where, no matter what's happening, whether the IRS, your ex-wife, anything's going on in your life you're like oh i didn't see that coming you get on stage it all goes away yeah and then we get to talk about it like that's the beauty of it we get to actually talk about our problems and people are like oh i'm not the only one there there when when we do our show i remember when i was getting into fox and doing tv um early on, I ran into Strahan. And I asked him, I kind of said the same thing.
I said, Mike, I feel like every ex-athlete aspires to be someone like Mike. He's a crossover entertainment, sports.
He's a pro. And he goes, Matt, I've been doing this for whatever, 15 years.
And he's like, when that red light comes on, I still get butterflies every single Sunday or every single when he's doing the morning show, whatever it is. Every day.
Every day. He's like, when that red light, he's like the adrenaline, because there's nothing like live, like doing like stand up is live.
Like my show is live TV. There's nothing like that.
I'll never forget that. I was in the hallway.
And I'm like, God, Mike Strahan still, because I was so nervous. I was trying to like be scripted in what I was saying.
Like, okay, this, this is how I want, instead of just reacting, right? And all that. And I'll never forget that.
That was the best advice. He's like, no matter what, you still feel that.
And that means you love it, right? That means you're passionate about it. That means you care.
And still to this day, I still get like the minute, let's go five, four, and then we're on live. And there's, you know, however many.
Sometimes there's like 100,000 people. Sometimes there's a million people watching us.
But there's nothing better than that rush that you get before that starts. Yeah, I agree.
All right, Gary. We made you wait long enough.
We do talk sports on this show. I think of you every single Sunday.
I have several fans. Yeah, he's holding up.
If you're just audio only. You know, I've done this like five times this podcast.
He's wearing a really dope Joe Burrow shirt. So, you know, I have like a Lions fan in my life.
My boy Justin, I check in the score. I always text.
But you, to me, you are not only like the biggest Bengals fan I know, you're probably in the culture of Bengals fans you you're up there you have to be up there um last year must have been one of the most frustrating years in the world for you because you have this amazing generational quarterback having an offensive year that rivals almost anyone's you got and then it just didn't click and the run came way too late so So where did you leave off with this team? And let's talk about the future after that, where they may be going. Yeah.
It was the funnest disappointing season I've ever been across. I'd rather have it.
I put it like this. I'd rather have a team losing a lot of close games with a great offense than a great defense.
Cause you know, if you're losing a lot of close games and the whole season's 13 to 10. Yeah, I used to have that.
Because you always felt like we were in it. As long as you got Joe Burrow and Jamar, you felt like, I don't care if we're down 21.
But it went the other way. We could be up 21 and be like, this ain't over.
Foot on the gas. Foot on the gas and there were so many and you know i watch every

game and then i re-watch it just for punishment there were so many games like that people don't

know like and you guys do but like we're up 21 to 7 against baltimore and and our chase brown

fumbled like we got the ball i remember that one that was the one i go oh we're about to put them

away they couldn't stop us we're about to go up 28 7 and he fumbled the ball and i went

Thank you. fumble.
We got the ball. I remember that one.
That was the one I go, oh, we're about to put them away. They couldn't stop us.
We're about to go up 28-7 and he fumbled the ball and I went, oh. The first Baltimore game.
If you beat New England, what was the game? Week one, you lost in New England. I don't know what that was about.
Yeah, I know. That was like banging an ugly chick like we've all done it, but we're not really talking about it.
What was that?'s you can't tell me matt and jerry there's been a time in your life where your boy's like what were you doing last night bro hope it doesn't cost you that you just hope it doesn't cost you the playoffs basically the 2am the 2am straggler um who's a who's a who's a bigger fan who's a bigger fan you or lachey nick lachey is a big bangals fan. He's big, but I don't think he's as passionate as me.
I don't think he is either. I don't think he is either.
No, I'm 8-8-0. I heard he got upset with me on one of those USC roasts.
Did he? Because the year you guys played Texas, that's when the NCAA said I couldn't do a live show for you guys. I couldn't pay.
And I guess Pete Carroll set it up. I did a video and you guys thought you were watching film.
And I started bagging on you guys. You were probably bagging on me being friends with Nick at the time too.
I did. I had like you.
I said, I said, Nick, I was like, I had him holding you in a rocking chair. I go, hang out with somebody your own age, bro.

By the way, me and Nick met at a bar called Guys in Santa Monica.

Go figure.

Dudes.

2005 Guys in Santa Monica.

I think one of his bandmates told me, I think Justin Jeffrey said they were showing it,

and Nick was laughing.

And then when it got to the part with you and him, Nick went. Like, he would never say it.
He goes, his face was like, yo. You guys have to be friends, man.
You're the preeminent, like, you're exactly who I think of every time I watch the Bengals play. I guess I came out of it.
He was not happy with that joke. Right.
It wasn't like he's not happy with me. But yeah.
He's the only Bengals fan I know.

I mean, outside of you, Gary.

He's the only Bengals fan who's like,

diehard Reds, Bengals.

He's all in every week.

I'm so diehard Cincinnati.

Like, I don't know if you remember,

like 10 years ago,

Xavier and UC Bearcats got in a fight.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You were ready to strap up.

I literally was like this.

I go, oh, he stole on him.

Then I was like,

but you see the way he took the punch, though?

I was on both that side.

I'm ate up with Cincinnati.

We got a couple of George Clooney.

Bengals fan?

Oh, he's from Cincy.

Cincy's a great – we did Cincinnati Bearcats football game two years ago. It was my first – I mean, I played there,

but it was my first time actually kind of hanging out in the city.

It was awesome.

I was surprised.

I don't know. Cincinnati Bearcats football game two years ago.
It was my first time. I mean, I played there, but it was my first time actually kind of hanging out in the city.

It was awesome.

I was surprised.

I thought it was a cool town, a cool sports town.

Yeah, it's a fun city, man.

People always say that when they come. I took Reggie out, and I took – I'm not going to say the other guy's name.

He's in a little hot water right now.

It used to be for the Ravens and the Panthers.

I took those

two guys out one night in Cincinnati

and we had a ball.

He's not doing too well right now.

I don't want to tag on anything.

No, definitely not.

We got to talk

about fatherhood because I have a question. I just had my fourth, a three-week-old.
Jerry's on the verge of having a three. I'm in the crosshairs.
It's happening. Is she pregnant? No, but every morning.
Oh, he's getting pressure. I get coffee made, and it's like, just imagine if we had a little baby.
I'm like, but we got two. We got two of them.
I thought you were going other direction, Jerry. I thought you were saying she bent over the island in the kitchen.
By the way, I want cream in me, Jerry. If I said that, she'd be like, down.
Let's go. Yes.
Gary, you and I are in the same boat because we have older kids. I have an 18-year-old.
I think yours is a little older. You're older ones.
And then you have little twins, I think, right? I have 18 and I have five, three, and then three week old. My question is, are we getting a vasectomy? Do you have a vasectomy? I got mine.
Did you? I got mine. Yeah.
Matt's considering. I'm literally like, I'm asking everybody.
I'm trying not to get it. I tried to get her tubes tied during the whatever.
Didn't happen. Is it the best? Were you knocked out or were you just full? I went under.
Yeah i went under it's a great 20 minute nap and i woke here's the thing you don't say about vasectomies though two things woke up i didn't know they shaved your balls and i looked down and i must have had a black barber because he lined my shit up it was like it was like a mid fade on the was like, dang, look how he blended it. It was a great cut.
I have not seen my balls. Is that a one tapered? He tapered mine up.
I was like, dang. They don't tell you that.
I look down. I go, oh, and then you think you get a vasectomy and it's ready.
No, you got to get like 30 or 40 ejaculations. Oh, yeah.
You got to get all the extra out. You got to clean the pipes.
You got to clean the pipes. And you got to send a sample.
That's the worst. Because you got to send a sample and just say, hey, you're clear.
You know what I mean? Your pipes are clean. When you send a sample, it's dry.
So you're drinking off? No saliva. No lotion.
You're not drinking off in the hospital? You're just taking it in a cup? Like from home? No, mine, they mailed it to me, and I got to mail it back, and I had to write a note like, sorry if the box is sticky. But at the same time, it's the driest hand jobs you will ever have.
You're like, that shit hurt worse than the vasectomy. And then wait.
You got to wait on results to basically say, hey, this worked really well. You're good.
Green light. You get the full.
You're in the clear. It's like basically giving a shit like, you know, like it's basically giving Shay Gildas Alex, hey, green light, bro.
Go get 40. Shoot as much as you want.

You're good.

I'm just visioning, like, feet and stirrups just full open.

And just my boy, one of my best friends from high school, he lives in South Carolina.

And he had a couple, like, he had, like, three nurses in there.

And he goes, dude. Yeah, he was up.
I said, why were you up? I said, I'm getting knocked out. He was up.
And he goes, dude, he's like, I felt like these nurses have probably seen some big fucking dicks in their life. And I'm out here just spreading my balls and my lips.
Nervous as hell. It's cold in here.
He was like, dude, it was the most uncomfortable

20 minutes of my life. I said, why did you get

knocked out? So I have this vision of just

being in this room because I'm going to have to get it done. I'm trying

to delay the process. But I said,

I'm just getting knocked out. My wife's like, why?

It's so easy. I'm like, you don't understand.
I'm not

trying to just have my

dick and my balls hanging out in front of everybody.

Do you think my wife would divorce? I mean, I know the

answer to this, but how fucked up would it be

if I was like, oh, I got

this movie, Brie. would it be if I was like,

oh, I got this movie, Brie.

I'll be back in like six weeks, shoots in New Orleans.

I leave and I got a vasectomy without telling her

and came home and been like, let's try for the third baby.

It just doesn't happen.

That would be the most fucked up thing ever.

I can't say I would never do that,

but I thought about it for a minute. I thought about that too.
i would i would tell a lot of these athletes these young boys 2021 i'd be like freeze your shit i think they do you got boys and girls waiting and then get the vasectomy so you can just do what you do and you're not having all these problems later on i've never said this to anyone like publicly i have heard, I'm not going to confirm this, but I have heard that that does go on. Go freeze some stuff, get the vasectomy, and you can also reverse it back too as well.
I don't know how effective that is, but I'm going to say that that does go on from what I've heard. Can you imagine if you're a dude and you get the vasectomy and you're a star athlete, you're with the Knicks or the Cowboys or something? Leave my Knicks out of this, bro.
And then a girl tries to call you, I'm pregnant. I mean, you could just be like, who are you lying? You could snap.

Unless you broke into the vault

and thawed my stuff out.

Yeah, like, you could really snap on a girl like,

I'm going to release this.

Go ahead.

So it sounds like you had a good experience, though.

You're all for it.

All right, man.

So basically, you walked away saying,

dude, I got a fresh fade on my nuts, man.

That was pretty awesome.

Fresh fade.

All right.

Everything.

And my doctor was a brother.

And it was funny because I'm glad he made jokes

Let's go. fresh fade on my nuts man that was pretty awesome fresh fade all right everything and my my doctor was a brother and it was funny because i'm glad he made jokes because you got to do the initial consultation so what is that what do they yeah what do they do with that is it just like check your balls to make sure the veins are in the right area and stuff so we're having a calendar conversation i look on the wall and he's got like a university of cincinnati degree so that that got me talking.
Yeah in the middle of us talking because now i'm from texas but i did my medical residency at uc and he goes yeah drop your pants in the middle of such a hell i was like this i mean i just it was so slow he's like a stripper the first day on the phone i was like and then he like literally he checks my ball he doesn't say anything while he's checking my shit and then i want to put my pants because yeah he goes i find it easier just to make a joke and just get it done he goes and then he told me because dude i see balls every day

every day it's nothing to me means nothing this is literally 10 to 10 30 for me and i'm going to

lunch like we're looking at like your whole day like is he talking about like matt's thinking and

this boy oh dude they're just like bro same with them nurses you know how many balls they've seen

Yeah, but they're just like,

bro,

same with them nurses.

You know how many balls they've seen.

Yeah.

But you know,

they're going home,

having a glass of wine and just talking about the nuts they saw that day. For sure.

Matt,

would it be bad?

Like if you went for your consultation and you have like two or three nurses

in there and you're doing your thing or you just show on whatever.

And then it's wrapped up,

you're getting dressed on the way out. Like one of the nurses has been like i'm a huge usc fan all that's gonna hear is huge you're not anonymous i'm a grower guys i'm a grower so like you're gonna be walking out it's like you're hot matt i just want to say mr like your heisman year was fucking awesome.
You get to walk out. Oh, gosh.
What's now? Are you on the road? Like, currently, what's your schedule like these days? Are you? Yeah, I'm touring every week, basically. Are you out in the West Coast in L.A.? I'd love to come see you.
I, let me see. Last time I did Irvine.
Dude, I did Irvine right in the middle of the fires. Oh the particular pal states fires hit and it was crazy because i i flew into john wayne and it was business as usual down there yeah and then people were like i can't believe you're performing i go no it's this is orange county not elliott county right so that was that was in january that i mean that was still kind of wild because my hotel was overrun with people that were from staying there, you know, that was, that was the last time.
And I'm trying to think next

time. I'm, I don't know.
I'll, I'll let you guys know. I'll let you go.
I'll text you Jerry and

stuff like that. Well, sure, man.
Where are you at Jerry? What part are you in Northern Ohio?

I'm in Cleveland. Uh, you, where my wife is from.
So I do have the Ohio, by the way,

the Bengals Browns, like obviously AFC North rivalry, but I feel like all the hatred in the

Thank you. wife is from so i do have the ohio by the way the bangles browns like obviously afc north rivalry but i feel like all the hatred in the division is still so much more for the steelers and raven like even when the bangles play the brown and you would know better than me of course like i i witnessed like the in-laws and my friends out here in cleveland are like we really want to beat the bangles but it feels different when it's the ravens and the steelers is that that like the same for the Bengals? Like when they play the Browns, it's like, yes, we want to win division game.

But when it's the Steelers and the Ravens, it just hits a little different.

Is that accurate?

Steelers way more than anybody else.

Because you got to realize they knocked us out of the playoffs twice

and hurt our quarterback twice.

And hurt your quarterback.

People forget.

They hurt Carson Palmer in the playoffs,

but they hurt Andy Dalton four weeks before the season ended. And we were rolling.
We were rolling that. That 2015 team was rolling.
Good defense. Yeah, I remember that team.
I mean, A.J. Green was in his prime.
We were rolling that year. And then Andy Dalton freak interception and tackles the guy and breaks his thumb.
I was like, where does that happen? Who was the backup quarterback? Was that McCarron? AJ McCarron. Yeah.
He did good. He did good for us.
But, yeah, so Steelers, they hit home. And Ben was like 30-3 against us.
He killed you guys. We were literally like his stepchild.
So it was so frustrating. It was so frustrating.
So your mandate, though, for the Bengals is sign Hendrickson, get Jamal, and your T. Higgins video.
Guys, if you haven't seen Gary's T. Higgins video.
It was great. Where he basically was throwing him under the bus, so no team with Si.
Go check it out on his Insta and on his Twitter account. So you just want to bring everybody back, and then what? You got the 17th pick.
Go defense with the pick? I don i you go at that point you go we need a guard best best of the guard to guard guard guard yeah i hope they re-sign gasecki too low-key i know gasecki's nice a lot of good tight ends in the draft though too a lot of good i just like i don't know i we need burrow in the playoffs do. Not just Burrow, the whole team, but I just think the more quarterbacks, like he's just, I just want him to be healthy.
Not even because I'm a Bengals fan. You just want to see it.
And he was kind of healthy this year. I feel like he's still always kind of banged up though.
Every quarterback's probably banged up by week eight. But I mean, you got to realize his rookie year, that was kind of freak.
I mean the lineman did you go to the super bowl that year though the super way did you go on row one baby so if they go again is that auto like hey just take this money out of my account right now well i i made money because what i did was as soon as they beat uh kansas city you know gab and duane have the sweetest sofi yes so i facetimed them immediately it was like yo what i gotta do and so duane was so cool he was like yo um i guess the nfl buys the suites but they sell you tickets eight tickets at cost but you gotta realize super bowl at cost is thousands on top Yeah. So he goes, how many you want to go all eight before knowing how much it was? I go, oh, shit.
So he made that same mistake dealing with a pro athlete. Yeah.
So he said, I need the money like Monday, tomorrow. I said, it'll be there in the morning.
So I wired the money. They sent me the eight tickets.
So I used four, but the four that I sold, I made my money back and then some.

Nice.

I got a free trip to the Super Bowl.

That's that Cincinnati hustle right there.

That's that Cincinnati hustle you just did right there.

I like that.

Yeah, so I got row one.

And here's the bad part.

It was like between the five-yard line and the goal line right where Cooper Cupp the win of the touchdown. And it was coming right at me, that little out pattern.
I went, you got to be shitting me right now. That's still one of the weirder games because I feel like everything the Rams tried to do was stopped.
And at some point I felt like, if I remember he serves me, McVay was just like, just fucking throw the ball to Cooper Cup every single fucking time. And they did, and it couldn't be stopped.

And that was like the difference.

That game was like right there.

And they just force fed Cooper Cup, and it just worked.

That was a good Super Bowl, though.

It was.

Not the result for you, but in terms of entertainment.

We've had three good Super Bowls, and we lost all.

Listen, man, we love you.

Your kids are absolutely adorable.

We're going to close it out.

We should have closed it on vasectomy talk. Vasectomy talk.
We'll cut all the bangle stuff if you want it. That was fucking great.
But thank you. You're the man, Gary.
We'll see you soon. All right.
Appreciate you guys. Thanks, Gary.
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Shout outs to Gary Owen again with the tapered fade on his nutsack. Gotta love it.
I haven't laughed that hard in so long. You will see that clip on social media.
And speaking to social media, don't forget to hit us up at throwbackshow on all social media. And we are officially starting the mailbag portion of the show.
Okay. We got the account set up.
It's feedback at throwbackshow.com. So we have one good email we're going to read from there.
It's a nice question. So send us your questions, feedback, thoughts.
Like we say, we do read them and we will read them on this show. and maybe i'm a little biased for this one because this for this mailbag question we got is about the yankees and it's a guy named james from brooklyn i have a son named james and i'm from brooklyn it was not him though he's only three and a half years old but james from brooklyn emailed us and said what's up guys love the show last week the yankees changed their policy banning players from growing beards saying

that they'll now allow well-groomed beards speaking i mean it's funny how we transition from

gary's thing to this jerry as a yankee fan are you cool with the change and matt as a former athlete

would a policy like a ban on beards ever get in the way or you playing for a particular team

is there ever a ban that would prevent you from playing for a team my first take go ahead yeah

Thank you. on beards ever get in the way or you playing for a particular team is there ever a band that would prevent you from playing for a team my first take go ahead yeah it's so dumb i i never understood the yankees clean shaven thing um i i got the chance to hang out with johnny damon in september lord was it a travesty that johnny damon couldn't grow a beard as a yankee the dude's got flowing locks did you ever ask him about it no i mean i don't think he cared because they paid him well and he had a good time but like any look johnny damon's a handsome dude without a beard and a cut but he was in the bahamas matt hair down like way past his shoulder great beard it just would have been awesome to see that we were robbed of johnny damon with a beard and long hair.
My high school football team, Mater Dei, we had to shave our head for,

it was Catholic school. You all had to look, you had to have a buzz.
The crew cut kind of thing.

No, a buzz. Yeah, it could be a six.
It could be a two. I used to get a two.
I used to have a full two around. But it was just to start training camp and then you could grow it out the rest of the season.
But you had to have a buzz walking into the first day of Hell Week back in the day. This is so stupid.
I'm glad they changed it. It's so dumb.
It's about grown men telling a grown man what he can and cannot do. I've always looked at this from a locker room perspective, and football is a lot different because there's a lot more guys.
But it's like a lot of these guys are different. Maybe they have tattoos.
Maybe they don't. Maybe they have dreads.
Maybe they have a buzz head. There's just so many different shapes, sizes, forms, ways of art, all of that kind of stuff, whether it's a hair.
It's just like so let let someone be who they want to be and go play the game. And like, it's just very simple to me.
I, I gotta be honest with you. I didn't even know that was a policy up until it became a headline.
Well, yeah. Think really think about it.
And that's why Johnny Damon's like the perfect example. If you go look at Johnny Damon on the Red Sox, he looks like a mountain man, right? And then he comes to the Yankees.
He's clean. Jeter posted the funny meme funny meme pic of himself ai i guess or photoshop with the beard that we never got to see uh i can't even make the case for it i get i know steinbrenner said it back in the 70s and it was a thing and i guess if you're trying to this is how we run things here you come play for it yeah it became like part of the mystique no one gives a a shit.
It's 2025, guys. Those 04 Red Sox who were bearded, scruffy, cowboy up sort of thing, like they certainly killed that vibe of the Yankees and their clean cutness.
So hopefully, now I don't think any player though, if the Yankees, Matt, were offering you, hey, why don't you come, we'll give you eight years, seven seven years 175 to come play left field for us but you gotta shape i'm pretty sure you would have taken the the only thing athletes care about is money right and a lot of a lot of it is depends on what state you're gonna play in yeah i don't think there's any if you're going to florida hey i'm gonna go to florida because i know it's the way, there's no state tax. No state tax.
Texas. Or I'm going to go play in Texas because by the way, that is a real thing that athletes, at least I know in football for sure, think about when they have options for a destination.
Yeah, I don't think any Yankees ever lost out on a free agent because of the shaving thing, but it stupid and also I'm a big fan of growing like a playoff beard or stuff like whatever like grow a beard change it up so I'm glad that's over James from Brooklyn and yeah I don't think there's ever a band Matt that would have made you not want to play for a certain organization so first mailbag again feedback at throwback show. Yes, send us comments, thoughts, questions, relationship advice, whether you should get a vasectomy or not, you know, whatever.
Real quick, some comments that stuck out to me. Benny on Twitter.
Oh, good. Liner can act too.
About time something good happened for the guy. Obviously, that's a lot of sarcasm.
No, that's a lot of sarcasm, but I think he's basically saying, oh, you're good at acting too, of course. Great, you're good at something else.
I think he's talking shit. No, I think he's like about time something good happened for that guy, meaning like, oh, shocking Matt's good at acting too.
Oh, great. Oh, yeah.
Poor guy finally found something he's good at. I don't think he was talking shit.
Mike g on twitter that was great is it really like that can it absolutely be brutal for new actors to have to read uh yes mike but the the thing now is auditions in person don't really happen anymore that's a thing yeah covid kind of ended that and then the entourage episode went over well a lot of people like the pitches of future episodes or what these guys are doing now.

Adam. end of that.
And then the Entourage episode went over well. A lot of people like the pitches of future episodes or what these guys are doing now.
Adam McGee, I think this is on YouTube, said he'd love to see it rebooted. Doug Allen could bring these guys back tomorrow.
Vince Off The Grid, Drama Star, Turtle Rich, whatever. Now Matt, I will say even since we dropped this episode, there's been a lot of chatter.
The the reboot stuff and even something they even start putting something down on some pages some writing when you guys are together it's magic man it's magic what are we fucking waiting on I think we asked Connelly and Connelly was like a lot needs I know a lot of things's money, whatever. Money, someone's got to write a check to make the show more than anything.
Okay, but fuck, man, let's do it. I will say too, I went on to kind of cross promote, to kind of cross promote, I went on Victory, the podcast with Dylan and Connelly and Doug and we did discover something that is strange and I, I think James, Jim Miller, who wrote the ESPN book and the HBO book and the CAA and the Saturday Night Live book, one of my favorite writers, uh, and he knows everything about HBO cause he covers them.
I think he was on Bill Simmons and he mentioned, you know, HBO does this weird thing now with Max, like you, you can't find entourage really on Max. When you scroll the Max page for HBO and you'll see all their new stuff, movies or whatever, and then you'll see their whatever classics and it's like Sopranos, Sex and the City.
Then they have some shows that were kind of classics. Entourage is nowhere to be found.
You have to go into the search bar and specifically write Entourage to find it. And some say, because they're still like, oh, it's a guy's show, toxic masculinity, all this shit.
Oh dude, that shit's back. It's back.
My view, and that's what we discussed on Victory. And if you haven't listened to it, go over there and listen to that.
That is my everything goes in a cycle i'll we'll we'll end with this and i ask the audience this too hit us on the throwbacks twitter whatever with your answers here and matt i'd ask you is there a show currently on the air right now that is a like we were dubbed a bromance like a bro comedy is there anything on the air right now either that you're watching or even know about that would give you those kind of vibes? Give me entourage vibes? Yeah, but not even like the Hollywood show. Just like, yeah, it could be like, even like the Always Sunny in Philadelphia guys have it, but that show's been on for 30 years.
It's like that show's never been off the air ever. So you can point to that, but that's older than us.

Yeah, I can't think of any.

Because there isn't one.

Well, it's time.

You said things come back in cycles.

It's fucking time. Let's bring it back.

They do.

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