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Speaker 1 And this guy was heckling all the open micers. It was open mic night.
And I went off on him for about 20 minutes. And he gets up.
He's got his state championship high score.

Speaker 1 And he points it right at me. He goes, stay, baby.

Speaker 2 That's all I got to say.

Speaker 1 He walked away.

Speaker 2 All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks, everybody.

Speaker 2 Got a good one for you today.

Speaker 2 Most importantly,

Speaker 2 my guy, who we call Maddie Ice.

Speaker 2 Maddie Ice, you literally were Maddie Ice the other day. Let's go right into it because I think this is one of the most savage, confident moves I've ever heard anyone pull off.

Speaker 2 What did you get invited to, and what did you do the other day?

Speaker 3 I appreciate that because my boys, all my kids, and my wife thought otherwise.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 3 how this, I got to skate at crypto where the LA Kings play

Speaker 3 with some of my childhood heroes because I was a die-hard Kings fan growing up. I'm still a Kings fan.
I'm a hockey fan.

Speaker 3 Not as much as I've gotten older, but when I was growing up, I was super into roller hockey, rollerblades on the street, the whole shebang. I had all the pads, everything.

Speaker 3 And I was a big Kings fan. So that era of the early 90s, Kings, Gretzky, Robatai, Robatai, Rob Blake, Granada.
I mean, I can literally name 15 guys on that team right now.

Speaker 3 Tomas Sandstrom, Yari Curry, Dave Taylor.

Speaker 3 Anyway, so a good girlfriend of mine works for the Kings, and she actually, this involves us, she actually hit me up and said, hey, do you guys have interest in doing the pod, the kind of throwbacks on the red carpet like you did for Fanatics?

Speaker 3 And I was like, I don't think we can do it. Jerry's not here.
It was three days prior to that.

Speaker 2 Well, that's like our thing now, though. Hey, you got a red carpet?

Speaker 1 Need a podcast? Call for me.

Speaker 3 Immediately, I was, I said, can I play?

Speaker 3 I had no idea. And she goes, can you skate? And I go, I've skated before.
I'm an athlete. I like to think that I could skate.

Speaker 3 In my mind, I'm thinking this is going to be just celebrities, athletes, like one of those, like

Speaker 3 a celebrity NBA All-Star game where you just get a collection of people. More funny and fun than more fun and much fun and informal.
Little did I know when I saw, basically she goes, yes.

Speaker 3 And this is all for LA Relief for the Fires for the first responders incredible event and a lot of the first responders played on the teams it was it was a really first well done by the Kings and raised a lot of money for for all of the families and first responders so she goes can you skate I go basically sort of lie but yeah I can skate a little bit and within an hour she's like you're in and I said shit I was I was got nervous and then the teams get announced and I look at these names Jerry and I see Mark Messier.

Speaker 1 I see

Speaker 3 Theo Fleury back with the Flames, the Cowboy Flames back in the day. I see Nelson Emerson and I remember him from the blues.
Piquet Soubon was there.

Speaker 3 I see a lot of former Kings guys that I'm friends with from just living in the South Bay. And then I look at my team and I have Rob Blake.
Marty McSorley was a coach who I know.

Speaker 3 Tony Granada, who I was a huge fan of when he was playing for the Kings in the early 90s. I start sweating.

Speaker 3 I was like, I don't think I can't can't do this. I'm going to back out.
I told Josie, I was like, I'm going to back out. Something's going to come.
I can't do this.

Speaker 3 And she goes, no, it won't be that bad. It won't be that bad.

Speaker 1 It's different.

Speaker 3 It is different. And I'll tell you this, I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 I'm walking in there and I see Ko Pitar. And I know Kobe a little bit from the South Bank.
Kopi's a legend.

Speaker 1 And I go, I go, he goes, what's up, man? I go, Kobe,

Speaker 3 I'm nervous as shit, man.

Speaker 1 He goes, oh, you'll be fine.

Speaker 3 You're an athlete. You'll be fine.
Dead serious.

Speaker 1 I go,

Speaker 3 this isn't like just putting on football cleeps and running on the ground.

Speaker 2 Are you not playing pickup movie?

Speaker 1 I'm not skating on ice with Marc Messier, a top three player of all time.

Speaker 3 And by the way, I was on the ice at some point skating with Subon and Marc Messier. And Taylor Kitch, by the way.
Taylor Kitch is a hell of a player.

Speaker 1 He's a Canadian. He could play.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but he played like low-level college hockey or something. So

Speaker 3 my biggest thing, and I'll end it here, my biggest thing was I did a lot better than I thought, but I can't skate backwards.

Speaker 3 So any moment where I was like playing defense, I had to just skate forward and try and play a little defense. but I missed a one-timer from Joe Maurer.
That was the highlight. Joe Mauer.

Speaker 2 Who got posted this video? I saw it. He missed you.

Speaker 1 So he didn't go straight.

Speaker 3 Great story real quick. Joe Maurer, we're the same high school grade.
Joe Maurer was the number one player in football and baseball. He was a quarterback.
He committed to Florida.

Speaker 2 Number one in both at the same time.

Speaker 3 He was USA Today player of the year in both sports. Never forget.
Committed to Florida State.

Speaker 3 And he obviously was, I don't know if he was number one pick, but he was top five pick in the MLB draft and went on to have a great career for Minnesota Twins Twins and all that.

Speaker 3 And we were talking and all this, but he plays hockey like he's in Minnesota. So he has a rink in his backyard.
His boys play and all this stuff. It was awesome.
He's the one to pass it to me.

Speaker 3 And it was a little bit between my skates and I and I missed it.

Speaker 1 It was a bad pass. I saw it.

Speaker 3 The puck goes the other way and they ended up scoring. And I took myself out.
I said, guys, I'm not playing anymore.

Speaker 2 I can't do this shit. So a couple of things I got for you.
Number one. It is such a savage move because like when you say you can skate, right?

Speaker 2 You can't like hockey skating is different than, like, hey, I took the boys to the ice skating ring. Cause, like, you said, skating backwards, stopping, all that.
And then you bring up roller hockey.

Speaker 1 I play, I loved roller hockey, but I'm old enough to remember playing roller hockey before rollerblades were like invented.

Speaker 2 There was no rollerblades.

Speaker 2 Like, I played on four wheels, the Wayne Gretzky roller skates, which were the skates to have and pick up roller hockey, which is very, very different than rollerblades, which is then very, very different than skating.

Speaker 1 So I was a rollerblades guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that's our four-year. And those four-year age gap between us is when Rollerblades became

Speaker 1 the thing.

Speaker 3 I had the lightning. It was the lightning.
I remember I asked, I asked for Christmas. For two years, I was every day in the street.
I think I was nine or 10 years old.

Speaker 3 Every day in the street, I had hockey nets. And that was, and I lived on a street growing up that was.
kids everywhere. And we would all congregate in front of my house.
We would put, you know, the

Speaker 1 car, you know,

Speaker 1 you yelled car. Did you guys fight or no? We fought a lot.
And we're hot.

Speaker 3 This is when I was super fat.

Speaker 3 so at one point there's this kid named kevin stuby i'll never forget stuby putting him on blast let's go he was across a street to us like three houses to the right so pretty close and we lived in like you know we're like a little middle class like santa anna and

Speaker 3 uh on a residential street and one time he was just ripping me fat you fat this whatever and my brother my i think my brother took a hockey stick and just crushed my brother my brother was five years older tough fought every he was just he always protected me and he just, no, I think he just went and he just straightforward whacked him in the face, dude.

Speaker 3 Broke his nose. And he never made fun of me ever again

Speaker 3 with one of the hockey. I used to tape the hockey sticks.

Speaker 3 The experience was amazing.

Speaker 2 And you got the two new hips.

Speaker 1 Did you worry about the new hips on the ice at all? No, because I wasn't going fast enough.

Speaker 3 I just didn't want to fall. At one point, I almost fell one and one of the guys kind of caught me.

Speaker 3 I did. I did high stick someone in the face, though.
We were in the corner of the boards. Oh, God.
And it was like a little puck shot. You know, I was trying to get it.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I was like trying to flick it. And I got his helmet off.
And I was like, oh, shit. My bad.

Speaker 1 I don't remember who it was.

Speaker 3 I was like, my bad, dude. And in my moment, I'm thinking,

Speaker 3 my whole thought process was like, these fucking guys, these athletes are crazy. Can you imagine full speed being on the ice? I would die.

Speaker 2 Doesn't get enough credit. among like American fans.
Shout outs. You did it.
It's one of the, and here's what I'll end it with this. So fun, man.
I saw the videos. I saw the pictures.

Speaker 1 You look like a hockey player, bro. Well, by the way.

Speaker 2 You're you're like what six nine on six ten on skates

Speaker 3 granado nelson emerson and uh blake who were the three i was kind of hanging with and talking the locker room bro we were in the full locker room getting dressed i didn't know how to get dressed i was like guys i need help it was someone pad me up guys and granado granado looks at me he goes he goes we could work with this you could have been a fucking great defenseman yeah because i'm six eight and i'm i mean long arms

Speaker 3 yeah and i'm like trust me guys in in my in another lifetime i would have loved to play hockey but well it was cool shout outs and great cause I'm glad you did that.

Speaker 2 We got a good one for you today. Our guest today is a friend of both of ours.
We met him very, very different ways.

Speaker 2 Comedian Gary Owen, lots of movies, lots of shows. I did Think Like a Man one and two with him.
And we're going to talk about this in the interview. He used to come roast you guys at USC, right?

Speaker 2 Is that true? You bring like Kevin Hart even and you just torture you guys.

Speaker 3 You got to

Speaker 3 listen to him because

Speaker 3 gosh, was that 20, 20 years ago or so?

Speaker 2 A little over 20 years ago, he would come roast the team him and and a pre-kevin hart before anyone knew who kevin hart was and i'm sure he's had a great he's had a great career big bangles fan too by the way so we'll talk a little bangles with him and i just remember with gary like we did think you know this movie think like a man which was based on uh this kind of romance self-help book that steve harvey wrote act like a lady think like a man right it has all these rules like he used to have the 90-day rule steve harvey in the book he says my dad worked for ford He would not qualify for health insurance until he worked 90 days.

Speaker 2 So ladies, if you give it, like, you got to make your man wait 90 days before giving it up. Or like, if they make you wait 90 days for health insurance, shouldn't you make a man wait 90 days?

Speaker 2 So it's like stuff like that. This amazing producer, Will Packer, had the idea, let's make this into a movie with an ensemble cast.

Speaker 1 I got offered the part and I read the script.

Speaker 2 Scripts really, really funny. And then I start hearing, like, oh, Kevin Hart's involved, Gary Owen.

Speaker 2 And then I see, I have like this storyline where like my girlfriend in the movie wants badly to get engaged and I'm like cold feet guy.

Speaker 2 And then I find out, oh, they, we cast a girl too, who would play, you know, opposite you. I'm like, who is it? He said, Gabrielle Union.
I said, I'm out.

Speaker 1 I'm out. I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 And like, do you not like Gabrielle? Like, look, I love Gabrielle Union. She's amazing.

Speaker 2 There's no one on the face of the earth that's going to believe that she wants to marry me and I'm on the fence and don't want to do it.

Speaker 2 So, of course, like we talked about it and we ended up doing the movie.

Speaker 2 And what was cool about it was I think the movie, I don't know how much it was actually made for, 11, 12, 13 million somewhere in there by even numbers 15 years ago. That's not a big budget movie.

Speaker 1 And I remember.

Speaker 2 This was like right out of entourage. You get tracking anytime a movie's coming out, right?

Speaker 2 So like the Monday or Tuesday before, hey, it's tracking the open at like 10 million, which would be really cool. Then it's 12 million.

Speaker 2 Hey, if it makes 12 million, almost get its budget back, that's a great opening weekend. Friday night, the movie's getting ready to open.
By Saturday morning, we're getting emails.

Speaker 2 It might open at 30.

Speaker 2 And now I'm getting like, oh, yeah. Ari, a man, the real Ari is emailing me.
Congrats, this is going to be huge. I'm getting all these emails.

Speaker 2 One of my agents from WME said the movie opens 30 million. Number one, beats out a Zach Afron movie at the box office, right? Number one in the box office.
Kevin Hart.

Speaker 3 Tell me it was high school musical. Was it high school music?

Speaker 2 No, it was like one of those, like, it wasn't the notebook, but it was a Nicholas Sparks novel, like the notebook.

Speaker 1 Same kind of thing.

Speaker 2 And I get a call from Richard Weitz, an amazing agent at WME. He says, we're going to the Lakers, your Lakers, courtside.
It was Easter Sunday, Matt. So we're coming up on an anniversary soon.

Speaker 2 Just like out of Entourage. Got the number one movie in the country, country and you're sitting courtside.
So we go to the game. We're sitting on the floor.
It was Lakers Thunder. This is so long ago.

Speaker 2 James Harden was still on the Thunder. If anyone remembers the game where Ron Artest, Meta World Peace, he elbowed James Harden in the head and knocked him unconscious.

Speaker 1 Harden leaves the game.

Speaker 2 So we go to the fourth quarter. Game is super tight.
And it was season's almost over. Playoff position at stake.
A loose ball comes right at my agent and I's lap. Okay.

Speaker 2 And Serge Ibaka and Kobe Bryant are running full. This is when guys cared about the regular season.
Shout out to Bryant.

Speaker 1 They are running full speed at us.

Speaker 2 And it's happening so fast. And we just start putting our hands up.
And Kobe and Serge dive into us. I, by a half an inch, miss getting decapitated.

Speaker 2 And Kobe goes shoulder first into my agent's face, rips the chairs out from the court. My popcorn goes flying.
We go in the air and they both land on top of us. People come peeling bodies.

Speaker 2 I remember Steve Blake was the one. Like, no one helped me up.
We all picked Kobe up. And at some point, as we're trying, my agent is bleeding from the mouth.
He has to go get medical attention.

Speaker 2 Kobe and I lock eyes, but he doesn't lock eyes on me, but he's aware that he almost killed us. And he basically is like, I guess he must have caught me.

Speaker 2 And he goes, Oh, I heard the movie did good this weekend. Congrats.
And went back onto the court and the Lakers win the game. I forget what seed.
And that was my real life entourage moment.

Speaker 2 And Gary Owen was a big part of Think Like a Man one. And then we talk a lot about Think Like a Man two.
So that was story time from Uncle Jerry.

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Speaker 2 Matt, I think there's only one place we could really go with the fresh move of the week. We just mentioned the Lakers from years ago.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, speaking of the Lakers, go from Kobe to LeBron to Lucas.

Speaker 2 I think we all have to take a moment and acknowledge, of course, it's going to be peaks and valleys with Luca and Kobe and all this stuff, but that Mavericks game, which was two nights ago, which you were at, correct?

Speaker 2 You were there in the building. We're seeing some stuff from LeBron that's that's different, stuff that we didn't think he would do anymore defensively and offensively.

Speaker 3 It's just, it's incredible to watch.

Speaker 3 We talked about this, and again, we talked about Luca trading how and why and all these things and are they going to fit and all this.

Speaker 3 It's, it's, I mean, they, they're on a, and shout out to my boy, JJ Reddick, who's coaching his ass off. And so I was at the game with Cole and

Speaker 3 it was incredible to watch because, again, like you just said, regular season basketball and Lakers are, Lakers are fourth seed right now or third or fourth seed right now. They're right there.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 the thing that was the craziest thing to me was I was watching this with Cole, who knows basketball as well as us.

Speaker 3 When Luca's on the court with LeBron and even an Austin Reeves or whoever,

Speaker 3 Luca dominates the ball,

Speaker 3 which he should. And that's what LeBron has done.
He's like, you guys, you and Austin dominate the ball around the court.

Speaker 3 You almost felt like LeBron wasn't even, like, I went three or four minutes thinking, oh my God, I forgot LeBron was on the court. LeBron James is on the court.
I forgot LeBron was on the court.

Speaker 3 And then fast forward to the fourth period where LeBron is on the court at one point with

Speaker 3 Gabe Vincent, Finney Smith,

Speaker 3 like Goodwin, who we just signed, maybe Jackson Hayes. Like it was none of the starters.
And he went for what, 14 or 16 in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 And it just reminded you of his magic, but then it reminded you of these guys are going to be fucking dangerous when the playoffs come because you have Austin Reeves.

Speaker 3 We talked about the best third option in the NBA.

Speaker 3 Someone said that this week. I don't know if it was Jalen Rose or someone on a pop.
Austin Reeves is a star. Like he is an absolute star when he has the ball.

Speaker 3 This team, I'm telling you, man, this team is going to be,

Speaker 3 they're going to be, they're going to be dangerous. And it was fun to watch Luca stare down the bench.

Speaker 2 Well, that's a picture of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was, uh, there was, there was good energy in crypto. It was fun to watch.
And Luca, and he had a triple-double. I mean, he was, you know, quiet scoring, but like 20.

Speaker 3 I think he had 20, 11, and 15 or something. Like, it was just, he's a beast.

Speaker 2 It really is. I, I know this trade has been talked about at Connie.

Speaker 2 No, it's just like, it's, it's the

Speaker 2 perfect timing. I'm a big timing guy.
Obviously, if Luca and LeBron played together five years ago, it would have been awesome because LeBron was five years younger.

Speaker 2 But it really does just look like LeBron is at a perfect place in his life and career where he knows how to help manage this situation. perfectly and give what is needed at the right time.

Speaker 2 And even like the defensive efforts that we're seeing, which come on, he has not been putting in hard.

Speaker 1 I don't blame the guy.

Speaker 2 I mean, I play pickup at 40 years old.

Speaker 1 41 years.

Speaker 2 This isn't even talked about. And the fact that one of those guys is going to be on the court at every point in every game is scary.
I do think there'll be some lulls here and there.

Speaker 1 And they'll see 40-year-old LeBron stuff.

Speaker 2 But yeah, man, it's scary. And that is definitely the fresh move because it's also happening way quicker.
than I thought.

Speaker 1 They're way quicker.

Speaker 3 They're like 13 and 3 in their last 16 or

Speaker 1 they're they're they're going to be very dangerous.

Speaker 3 The size is still a factor, the lack of size. But again,

Speaker 3 I would just argue the opposite. Who's going to defend them? You know, you're going to have to score.

Speaker 1 And their defense is great.

Speaker 2 Their defense as currently right now. Now, a lot of that's carryover from AD, but their defense is good.

Speaker 3 Rui plays good defense. Finney Smith, Vanderbilt, they have a lot of guys they can throw at guys.
And by the way, Jackson Hayes has been,

Speaker 3 he goes four for four every game with dunks or a a layup and eight rebounds.

Speaker 1 Like at the end of the day, I like when you put Rui at the five, too.

Speaker 2 That's such a fun look if you don't have a huge team. And then the last part of it is like the fact that Austin Reeves was not involved in the trade.
That is really the part that will go.

Speaker 2 Because you could almost say, hey, if it was AD and Austin Reeves and Max Christie and a number one. Max Christie is Max Christie's ball.
I knew the minute that trade happened.

Speaker 2 I watched him at the garden that night when they destroyed the Knicks. I'm like, he's, I'm not saying he's a good player.

Speaker 2 He should be in a Luka trade as like a centerpiece, but he is a very, very good player. It goes great with Kyrie.
Kyrie was awesome, but yeah, man, fresh moves of the week brought to you by Wendy's.

Speaker 2 It's the Lakers. I hate to, I know, I know everybody wants to hear it, but Lakers Knicks finals.

Speaker 3 Are we already, are we just manifesting that?

Speaker 2 Man, I was just on the, I was on Ian Begley's show.

Speaker 2 Listen, it is bad right now in Knicks.

Speaker 1 You're the three seed. You guys are right.

Speaker 2 But we're, we're, Knicks fans are just, we're not sane people, right?

Speaker 1 Like, it's.

Speaker 2 Obviously, I've watched, I've watched you watch a game in person i but but i see i'm not panicking at the 0-7 versus the calves and the thunder and the celtics like i knew going into the season that the celtics are going to be impot almost impossible to beat in in the east right take the west out for a second the calves have been amazing this regular season they probably they have the best shot but i'm also not panicking at 30 we're 37 and 20 and we lost two games in a row so

Speaker 2 but no if you ask nick fans right now fire Tibbs, get rid of Leon Rose, Kat's not the answer, Bridges needs to go to the bench. That's what's going on in Nick's Twitter right now.

Speaker 2 So, anyway, I think we need a little laughter after some of that. And after that, Rant, let's bring in our guy, Gary Owen.

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Speaker 2 Gary, thanks for coming on, man.

Speaker 2 We were just talking a little bit off the air, but before we dive fully in,

Speaker 2 you know we met on think like a man one okay

Speaker 1 how

Speaker 2 bring me back to like how did that part come to you because at the time obviously you're doing well as a comedian but like that was really wasn't your first acting job but you you came in you had a pretty big part in that movie

Speaker 1 uh i met will packer on a um

Speaker 1 boat cruise

Speaker 2 And a boat cruise. Where were you guys going?

Speaker 1 Well, it was Tom Joyner was a syndicated radio host.

Speaker 1 And so he did this boat cruise. We hired comedians.
He basically buys the whole boat, like a Royal Caribbean boat, and all the money goes to the HBCUs.

Speaker 1 And so they hire all these people, comedians, singers. And then that's where I like started talking to Will a lot.

Speaker 1 And this was like 2009. And, you know, we, we filmed in 2011 thing like a man.
And

Speaker 3 then he just, I had a meeting with a guy named Rodney Barnes.

Speaker 1 And he was like, yo, Will Packer just brought you up the other day. I go, For what? He goes, Some movie they're doing about some Steve Harvey book.
So I called Will.

Speaker 1 I said, Yo, what's this Broke Back Mountain 2 movie I was in here?

Speaker 1 And then Will was like, No, no, no. He goes, We got this movie, and we got two white guys in it.
And we need white guys that can hang out with black guys, but not try to be black.

Speaker 1 He goes, So they call, they called you, they called me. I think I was on board before Kevin because he told me I'm flying to Dallas to go see Kevin in concert.

Speaker 1 He goes, and I'm trying to get in his ear about the movie. And so I think I was one of the first

Speaker 2 one on?

Speaker 1 I know I committed. I mean, it wasn't like

Speaker 1 these big movies was knocking on my door like that. So I was like, I'm a comedian.
I'm on the road.

Speaker 1 I get offered like small parts like the waiter. And so like, but to be a major role, I was like, I told Will, I said, yeah, just, I told my agent, I said, look, just don't mess it up.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do it. Just don't mess it up.

Speaker 3 Jerry was telling me something about, so I just, I showed this picture and we're going to post this. It's, it's you guys.

Speaker 2 Well, that's part two. That's part two part.

Speaker 1 That's part two.

Speaker 3 So Jerry was explaining somehow, I think, and you might be better at this, Jerry. The girls in Think Like a Man 1 all came out of a scene.
They look great.

Speaker 3 And then in Think Like a Man 2, apparently you guys all had to like do some male strip thing or something, Jerry.

Speaker 1 What was that about?

Speaker 2 I'll set the table for Gary. If you recall, Gary,

Speaker 2 and when we say all the girls, it was, it's Taraji Hensa, it's Gabrielle Union, Regina. It's an amazing cast, right? The girls shot this scene in Think Like a Man 2.

Speaker 2 The whole story of the movie is the guys are on a bachelor party, the girls are on a bachelorette party.

Speaker 2 They go off and have a drunken night, and they basically shoot like a fake poison video from Bel Viv DeVoe, but they're all dressed up, having an amazing night. They all look great.

Speaker 2 We see these this video, and we're like, holy shit, that's amazing. That's going to be great in the movie.

Speaker 2 And then the producers started circling saying, now you guys are going to have to do something. We're thinking a male review at like a strip club.
And Gary, I don't know if you recall this.

Speaker 2 You've never seen six dudes instantly be like, we got to get to the gym. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got to get to the gym.

Speaker 1 We had that, we were on lock, like for about two weeks.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know why we thought our bodies was going to miraculously get ripped in two weeks, but every night we would get off and we'd see all, well, the five of us would be in the gym and then Kev was at another spot, probably with the trainer.

Speaker 1 Right. But remember, it was like Romani was doing these exercises I've never seen.

Speaker 2 Romany was only deadlifting, but like with weird, he's doing like a Rocky and Russia workout.

Speaker 3 Jerry's brought this up. It's like, I don't know if there's...

Speaker 3 We've said, is there more pressure of throwing a touchdown in like an NFL stadium or getting ready for like either a sex scene or a shirtless scene in a movie, especially when you aren't ripped?

Speaker 3 Like, like I'm not ripped. So was there pressure just to look good? Or you just say, fuck it.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 Well, good for me. I, I was playing a dad, so I was sad.
I was like,

Speaker 1 you look good in that pic. I have like an average-looking dad, bod.
I wasn't, there wasn't too much pressure on me, you know.

Speaker 2 One of my favorite parts of the movie, Matt, we're doing the scene in the jail cell after we do that male review. Gary's in a dominatrix outfit.
We're like assless chats.

Speaker 1 We're all in this jail cell.

Speaker 2 And Gary was playing the only dad in the movie. And my character was like, we were thinking about having a baby.
So he gives me like the advice.

Speaker 2 And then Gary goes over to the payphone for his character's one call. Next thing I know, I start hearing, like, are there any dogs in the house? And like, I'm like, is he fucking doing Ray Lewis?

Speaker 2 And sure enough, tell it, give, give me that improv where you're calling your kids from a jail cell.

Speaker 1 Well, I was in the van about to head home, right? And I kept telling like, um, Tim and Will, I said, yo, um, I got, I got a pretty good Ray Lewis, man.

Speaker 1 I go, I think it would work good in this scene because there wasn't much to it, me giving you advice on being a dad. Right.
I said, man, I think this would work.

Speaker 1 And to Tim and Will's credit, I couldn't do it like

Speaker 1 in a room with them two just looking at me. So I was in the van headed home and they said, hey, Gary, come try this real quick before you take off.
So I came back in and we were such a

Speaker 1 all the guys like really

Speaker 3 How can I award this?

Speaker 1 We went the bat for each other. Like you weren't like, now I got to get back back to the hotel.
We've already been here 12 hours.

Speaker 1 All the guys was like, if the scene's going to work, everybody stayed, everybody reacted and the scene ended up working.

Speaker 1 But it literally just me telling Will and Tim, yo, I got a pretty good Ray Lewis because I did it. Ray Lewis used to have a charity event in the summer called Ray's Summer Days in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 And he hired me every year. So that's where I started imitating him was.
at his event in front of him. In front of him? Oh, God.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So he had one of the great walkouts, one of the great walkouts of all time. Oh, no question.
And Ray loved it.

Speaker 1 So I go, okay, if I got Ray's stand-up approval on it, you know, and I'm not an impression guy is my stand-up. So I was like, let me try it.

Speaker 1 And I just remember when I got done shooting it, I walked by Will and he just gave me a little fist pound. Like, boop.
And I was like, I think it's going to make it. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Garrett, do you, so I was telling Jerry this

Speaker 3 when we found out you were coming on. You remember the USC days when you came out?

Speaker 1 Do it. So

Speaker 3 I want to ask you, I don't know if I've run into you since then.

Speaker 3 Reggie and I talk about you all the time because I think you're tight with Reggie, right?

Speaker 1 You still talk to him or what?

Speaker 3 Whatever.

Speaker 3 That was 2000, gosh, two, three, four, kind of that era.

Speaker 1 We would go up one time.

Speaker 3 Wayne Hughes estate, who was a big USC donor, public storage, Al Collings, OJ's driver.

Speaker 1 AC. Hired me.

Speaker 1 AC hired me. Okay, so

Speaker 1 I remember he hired you to do that for us. Yeah, he's the one that contacted me.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. I was going to ask you just how that came about, but I just remember

Speaker 1 like like that, that was early in your career, right?

Speaker 3 Very early in your career.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd been doing about five years.

Speaker 3 Five.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 I think, and Kevin Hart was there.

Speaker 1 And it was

Speaker 1 the second year.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the second year. And I remember the, I'll never forget this, Jerry.
It's like Gary was doing his thing. Everyone was like,

Speaker 3 you know, who's this white comedian? He was hilarious, all this kind of stuff. And then there's little old Kevin before Kevin became Kevin Hart.

Speaker 1 And I remember, I kind of remember like the whole team just roasting him.

Speaker 3 Like, who did they got?

Speaker 1 to bring them?

Speaker 3 Like, they got a really good. And now I'm looking back like 30 years later.
I'm like, God damn, that was good.

Speaker 1 That was Gary Owen and Kevin Art.

Speaker 3 So how, I mean, you said Al, but how, do you remember much of that time? Like, that was so fun for us to be able to do that with you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I got a call and they said, hey,

Speaker 1 they're doing a private show for USC's football team. And then some middle agent called.
And then I got on the phone with Al.

Speaker 1 And he said, yeah, do you want to do it? I said, yeah. And I just, I don't remember the, I don't know if you remember the first year, Matt, two comics went up before me and bombed.

Speaker 1 And I was like, Yo, these are 18 to 22-year-old dudes. They don't want to hear about your kids on the honor roll or if you are married, they don't want to.
Who was it?

Speaker 1 Do you remember who it was? I know who it was, but I'm not going to do that too.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 So I said, Well, I'm going to know. I'm not going to do no jokes.
I'm just going to go in on people. Yeah, so I just did

Speaker 1 picking people off. And I remember Lee Webb walked up.

Speaker 1 He's like the backup running back.

Speaker 1 yeah he got on stage and was like touching me and and they we had a good back and forth then they had these little two asian dbs

Speaker 1 i went off on them the team brothers the team brothers and then you had an asian offensive coordinator norm chow norm chow so i said yeah i remember this joke because i go i go who's the asian dude and they were like that's norm chow it's our offensive coordinator i go Now it makes sense.

Speaker 1 Because I was like, he's probably telling Reggie, run through the three-on-three caught the hole there's like there's no such thing it's three and four he goes no it's there you must nylate reggie

Speaker 1 i said anybody technical reggae he going through the three and three quarter hole so then it went great so afterwards al was like yo uh they they had me um who was the donor the the house it was at wayne hughes he owns a public storage yeah so wayne had me up to his house afterwards and we're talking and he was like yo we're having you back next year.

Speaker 1 So they call me the next year. They said, bring somebody.
At that time, nobody knew who Kevin was. Me and Kev was real cool.
So I remember I said, Kev, $2,000.

Speaker 1 You want to do it? He was like,

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 In L.A.? I was like, yeah, I know, right? Right?

Speaker 1 I go, it's so much money at USC, bro.

Speaker 1 So Kev gets there. And I tell him, I said, don't do no jokes, bro.
They don't want to hear your jokes. I go, just start going in on them.
And then I'll come in after you.

Speaker 1 and he goes all right comics always think this we always think nah nah i'm gonna do my jokes yo when i say it was it was it was crashing and burning on him i remember like they was like and you had a lineman i'll never forget we got him it was it was uh it was fred matua is that he yelled out he was the samoan guy he actually passed away he

Speaker 1 I remember it vividly.

Speaker 3 I'm almost positive. I remember Lee Webb got up there because he was, Lee was, Lee was from like Compton.
Like he got up when you were messing with him.

Speaker 3 I think it was Fred Matua because he was kind of our loud like energy and he's pretty funny. I'm almost positive it was Fred that went in on Kevin.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh shit, like this is, it wasn't going well for him. Yeah.
Well, he said, I'll never forget, he said, yo, why does that sidekick look like a VCR on your hip?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Kev was like, oh, this is what we're doing?

Speaker 1 And that was. Kev's saving grace because then Kev started going in on people.
Then he got him. And then I went up there and got him again.
And it was just after that, and I got done.

Speaker 1 I go, Kev, I told you. No jokes, no jokes,

Speaker 1 dude. It was

Speaker 3 you guys, you guys, it was so much fun. I'll never forget that.

Speaker 3 It was like, it was a, we did a few, you know, we go bowling and we do, we go to the AVP tour in Manhattan Beach every fall, but that kind of became. I don't know if you went back after that.

Speaker 3 I think I was gone the next year, but that was a fun couple of years for us. Like, I'll never forget that.
You guys were awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I went every year that Carol was there. Right.
Okay. So, even when you guys left, even in the Mark Sanchez days,

Speaker 1 John David Booty,

Speaker 1 JDB,

Speaker 1 that was easy.

Speaker 1 I was like, can you get him? But easier last name for him to be here.

Speaker 3 His nephew's name is General Booty, and he plays in college football.

Speaker 1 General Booty?

Speaker 3 General Booty.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, I hope he goes to the NFL.

Speaker 1 I will talk about that in a second. Talk about some funny ass.

Speaker 2 The Bengals select General Booty, even though they're never picking a quarter.

Speaker 3 Did Kevin open for you on tour at that time? Or what was the next step for you after that?

Speaker 1 No, he went open for it. We were just like, we were both at a level, like we were just taking gigs.
So it was like, you get a phone call. Yeah, I got Kev and somebody else or something.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, Kev always brings us up too. He goes, dude,

Speaker 1 you were one of the comics that always put money in my pocket. When a lot of, when I wasn't making a lot.
He always brings that up.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 it's nice to know like you appreciate it, you appreciate it years later. But now we were just taking gigs.
Like

Speaker 1 my career was like on a hamster on a on a wheel for about 10 years. I was doing good.
I was headlining comedy clubs, but I kind of knew how many tickets I was selling every week.

Speaker 1 And then the perfect storm came was the 2010-11 timeframe because I got on this show called Live from the Nokia with Mike Epps. And this is when

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 comedy shows are going on DVD and being sold in Best Buy. And if you could get on one, you would, I mean, that could take your career to another level.
And I got on that and I got Think Like a Man.

Speaker 1 And then I had my special come out shortly after. It was like five things in about 18 months that really resonated with people.
And so that was, then my career kind of went, took off.

Speaker 1 And then Kevs really took off after Think Like a Man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like when we were shooting, so Think Like a Man came out and much to everyone's surprise, made a lot more money than anyone thought.

Speaker 2 We did the sequel right away and it kind of matched Kevin's ascension. He was already killing it as a comic.

Speaker 2 But Gary, you remember, like, we would shoot a scene, Matt, in Vegas on like a Friday night, wrap up at like eight o'clock at night, and then we have to be back at 6 a.m. Monday morning.

Speaker 2 And Kevin went to like four cities that week. He would leave Vegas and be like, he was in Atlanta, he was in Florida, boom, and he's back at 5:30 a.m.

Speaker 2 in the trailer, like skipping rope, getting ready to shoot. So I was watching this crazy rise.
Like, they almost felt like there was two of them.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 yeah, he always came back. And I still think every time I go to Vegas, Gary, I don't go often these days, but I still do.
I look at Caesars because that's where we shot mainly on Planet Hollywood.

Speaker 2 And I just look, I'm like, man, it was July. It was Vegas in July, as we all know, is kind of

Speaker 1 pure nightclub.

Speaker 3 You guys were good, you guys were hitting up pure back in the day.

Speaker 2 I don't even know if we were hitting up nightclubs. I think we were at one point, it became like we have to just make it through this alive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, Ely Ely said it best. I caught Michael Ely just walking around outside Caesars, like

Speaker 1 one of those, one of those old Asian men, like ham behind his.

Speaker 1 I go, Mike, what are you doing? He goes, Gary, you got to get outside. You're breathing that recycled air.
You just got to get some air. You don't realize what it's doing to you.

Speaker 1 I think, Jerry, you said it best when

Speaker 1 we did the table read for Think Like a Man 1. And then we was like, yo, Kevin's got a lot of funny lines here.

Speaker 1 So when it came out, you said it. You said, yo, when we did that first table read,

Speaker 1 it was set up for Kev to hit a home run. We just didn't know how far he was going to hit it.
Right. And he hit it.
And I think it's still going. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 yeah, sometimes that's where I think it becomes like sports too, man.

Speaker 2 I really do think sometimes, whether it's a film or a show, like you get that feeling where you have the group that all gets along and has the talent and has the chemistry, but you see like that one or two, like, oh, like this dude's going to win MVP or this dude.

Speaker 1 This is, oh, we got the rookie of the year.

Speaker 2 This is the guy. We have the rookie of the year so i yeah man it's it's still i still get mad at kevin because he used to always wreck my trailer did he get you too he got me

Speaker 2 yeah he has this thing that like

Speaker 2 you know y'all have your trailers i would walk into my trailer and the whole entire thing would be wrecked my backpack dumped out couch cushions i don't even know what he did into the in the bathroom was disgusting like just the whole thing is wrecked so i got him back a couple years ago we did a we did a movie called back on the strip that absolutely nobody saw i I don't think.

Speaker 2 I support.

Speaker 1 I support Kev. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Is on Netflix, Carrie? I'll watch it tonight.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think Netflix knows it's out.

Speaker 1 Roku, is that Roku? Yeah. It's better than Tubi.

Speaker 1 Not quite Netflix ready. But Kev had like two days on set.

Speaker 1 And I said, is he coming? And they said, yeah. So I went in his trailer.
And when he walked in, I was like in my drawers in a tank top. And I popped up from his fridge.
I go, Kev.

Speaker 1 I was all in his snacks.

Speaker 1 The best part of the snacks.

Speaker 2 You said something on,

Speaker 2 I love your relationship with Shaq. We just had a little run-in with Shaq at the Super Bowl in New Orleans.
He like, we think he fucked with me. I'm pretty sure it's confirmed.
And we've messed that.

Speaker 3 I'm fucking overthinking this, dude. He loves you, man.

Speaker 2 The whole red carpet we were on, Gary, we were doing the show from there.

Speaker 1 Everyone would come down and be like matt great to see you and look at me and be like oh fuck this guy i don't know why everyone was shitting on me that day i have no idea gary shape shaq comes up he was kidding i think michael rub michael rubin shit michael rubin didn't recognize jerry rubin just walked past 80 pounds from entourage he's like you were that was you he's like you're skinny now shaq shaq comes up oh this is hilarious

Speaker 3 i've been skinny for 15 years shaq shaq comes up and we're talking to him and he's he's looking at me the whole time he goes i don't like this guy pointing i don't like no like dead certain i don't like this fucking guy he's looking at me pointing at jerry i don't like this fucking guy like three times and i'm like and shaq's a big kid you know so i'm like i was you know whatever jerry's kind of looking at him like looking at why why

Speaker 3 and he goes i love this guy and he gave him this big fucking hug and then and then but at the end he goes hey matt anytime you want me on your pod just just hit me up it doesn't even acknowledge jerry and then look at me and then goes and says i gotta take a shit boys i'm out that's that's literally what our interview was but jerry to this day thinks that shaq was like big time.

Speaker 1 And I'm not sure if I can do it.

Speaker 2 I think there's like 10% chance that he maybe thinks himself. I've had great encounters with Shaq over the years here or there.

Speaker 2 But I'm wondering, like, did I also, I talk a lot about sports. Did I ever say like Dwight Howard was better than Shaq?

Speaker 1 No, I never would say that.

Speaker 1 You know, you didn't say that. Nobody said that.
Hell no.

Speaker 2 Well, you went in. I mean, you had some good Dwight Howard stuff on Shaq's pod.

Speaker 2 I listened to that whole pod, but you said something really great on that podcast when Shaq was talking to you about like, it must be hard being a comedian right now because everybody's trying to can, this is a year ago, I think you did it.

Speaker 2 Everyone's always trying to cancel you for a joke. And you said, basically, you were like, those people who try to do that weren't going to come see my show anyway.
So it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 2 All they try to do is just maybe get other people to not see it. So I, you, now it's been a year since you did that.
And you've spent a year on the road doing your thing.

Speaker 2 How do you feel like comedy and being a comedian right now? For me, I love that. I feel like the comedians are the last line of defense.

Speaker 2 Like if you guys go down and start getting canceled, I feel like we're all fucked. You know, like we can't say anything ever again.

Speaker 2 How do you feel like it's been since a year since doing that shack pod?

Speaker 1 I mean, I still feel the same way. I think we, we're in the golden age for comedians.
I think you got more comedians right now selling tickets, doing theaters, doing arenas. Comedy clubs are packed

Speaker 1 because you, you don't need the quote-unquote machine anymore. Right.
It used to be when I started, you needed a producer or a director or somebody to see something in you to put you on something.

Speaker 1 Now, as long as you got your phone, you can record anything you want and you can put any clip, stand-up clip you want out there. And you never know what's going to go viral.

Speaker 1 I mean, look at the guy now is Matt Reif.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's Ohio story, right? Huh? He's Ohio Columbus guy.
Yeah. But he's a guy that like.

Speaker 1 posts something on TikTok, goes to bed, wakes up the next morning, it's like 70 million people saw this joke. And he's like, What just happened?

Speaker 1 You know, and all of a sudden, the clubs are just selling out.

Speaker 1 It's funny, like, as long as I've been doing this, I remember I was in Hartford, Connecticut, and Kev was coming two weeks after me, and he was already sold out.

Speaker 1 And I go, Kev's selling tickets like that. And same thing with Matt Reif.
I was in Atlanta and he was coming to a comedy club.

Speaker 1 This is like a year and a half, two years ago, and he was already sold out.

Speaker 3 And I go, Matt selling tickets like that?

Speaker 1 It's funny how you can see it coming in the comedy clubs. But to answer your question,

Speaker 1 it still holds true. If you see a clip of somebody of a two, three minute bit and you don't like it, just keep it moving.
Why do people feel like they have to die? I have to say this.

Speaker 1 You know, it's similar.

Speaker 1 I'll give you an example. Like,

Speaker 1 my brother passed away of a heroin overdose. The week after I'm watching Saturday Night Live and they're doing a sketch on heroin, and I have more people hitting me up like, aren't you mad?

Speaker 1 You're going to say something? I said, they're not. It's not like they said, oh, Gary Owens' brother died.
Let's do this sketch.

Speaker 1 I am, by the way, it was accurate.

Speaker 1 It was how they acted. You know, like, my brother would have laughed if he would have seen it.
So I think people think we're talking directly to them.

Speaker 1 If we say, like, somebody in a wheelchair or somebody's got a big nose or whatever it is, you know, they're like, oh, he's talking about my cousin. And that's not what we're doing.
We don't know you.

Speaker 1 I feel like the, I feel like the

Speaker 3 Tom Brady roast was like,

Speaker 3 we're back. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I'm a fan of comedy. I watch guys like, like you and just other guys.
And I felt like watching that roast, it just, it had everything. Like Nikki Glazer was great.
I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, Hitchcliffe.

Speaker 1 He, Hitchcliffe.

Speaker 3 He was just going in on it. I, I thought that was, for me, it was like, damn, like, we're back.

Speaker 3 And again, I think you've always been there, but as far as just like nothing censored, we're going to fucking say what we want. It's on Netflix Live.
Like, it was, I thought that event was incredible.

Speaker 1 I think it's

Speaker 1 the cancel culture starting to get like canceled now. They're canceling the cancel culture.
People are sick of it. We've jumped the shark.
We've jumped the shark. I mean, you see it.

Speaker 1 You see, like a guy named, you see Andrew Schultz or you see Jane Gillis and the way they're pushing the envelope and Tony Hedgecliffe and all that.

Speaker 1 It's like you can see like, oh, this is what we want. We want to go into these rooms and be uncomfortable.
We want this dark humor and no one like, you know, nobody's taking it personal.

Speaker 1 You know, it's, there's no malicious intent behind it, I should say.

Speaker 2 I, of course, I watched the Brady Roast. I enjoyed the Brady Roast.
I did flinch, not because I thought any joke was like inappropriate, like, whoa, you cross a lot.

Speaker 2 I, and maybe it's because I have kids now, and we're going to talk about all our kids in a minute here. I got some, I got some questions and I got some things to get off my chest.

Speaker 2 But I was just watching some of it being like, oh man, his kids are going to hear about that one at school. That's where my mind went to.

Speaker 2 Like, I would have found that at like 15 years old i would have went to school and then like now we're going to roast brady's kid you know so i was just thinking about his kids walking in the next day after that roast not that i thought anyone was funny though dude it was very funny it was very it was too funny almost i'll give i'll give you an answer to that jerry so

Speaker 1 when we had when i had my reality show on bet right yep these couple girls was like

Speaker 1 talking a little stuff to my daughter and she was like she came home and she goes you know i you know i just how they were talking to me and everything else. I said, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 You're on TV every week. They're at Panera getting a

Speaker 1 croissant. I said, you don't get judged.
You judge them.

Speaker 1 I said, right now,

Speaker 1 you on TV. I was like, they're at Panera.
I said, no, they don't get to judge you.

Speaker 1 And she kind of looked at me like, all right. All right.
I think I got it.

Speaker 1 You know, that's what I'd be doing if I was Brady's kids. Who are you? My dad's Tom Brady, bro.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 When did your relationship? Because you guys go back with Shaq.

Speaker 2 You guys go back almost since you started, right?

Speaker 1 Pretty much, like early in very early in your career. He introduced me to my first wife.

Speaker 2 I did not know that. He did.

Speaker 1 She worked for him at Twism.

Speaker 1 Shaq used to have a record label

Speaker 1 and clothing line called Twism. Yes, I remember.

Speaker 2 I remember.

Speaker 1 She worked at Twism,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 he brought his

Speaker 1 staff to a comedy club. And I was open micing at the time.
This is like 98.

Speaker 1 And he brought him out to the comedy store one night. And that's where I literally met Shaq and her in the same night.
And then

Speaker 1 I started going to like the Twism warehouse in Compton. And he'd be there sometimes.
I'd be ganking all these shirts and shorts.

Speaker 1 I was so mad when he left the Lakers because they were in half my wardrobe because he cut Twism down.

Speaker 2 You have to go to Miami.

Speaker 3 There was just, I think just yesterday, there was a clip of uh a female comedian i don't know if you saw it i don't know her name just absolutely ripping an audience member i think he was heckling her i saw that i saw that oh is it like something like being like something about the vibes it was something yeah he was he was he was heckling her

Speaker 3 saying probably normal that you would hear and then she just lost it and she started like she like lost it like she like the comedy went away and it wasn't comedic yeah has that has that ever happened to you where you're just like, I want to beat the fuck out of that guy when I leave this place?

Speaker 1 There's been a couple.

Speaker 1 If you go on YouTube, there's one. It's a funny backstory.
If you look up like Gary On Dusty,

Speaker 1 there was a guy named Dusty in the audience. And I was at the, I'll never forget, I was at the Dayton Funnybone.
And I went there to get ready for my late, late show with Craig Ferguson set.

Speaker 1 So I'm supposed to do five minutes clean. And I said, let me just run up here and work on this.
And this guy was heckling all the open micers. It was open mic night.

Speaker 3 And they just couldn't get through their set.

Speaker 1 He was literally being a jerk. And I said, I told the man, I said, put me up and don't kick him out.
And so he put me up and I went off on him for about 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 And I only got about 10, 15 on YouTube. But here's the best.
And you guys appreciate this, Matt, being an athlete. This is all you got to know about Dusty.
He gets up.

Speaker 1 He's got his state championship high scoring. I never forget valley view high school and he points it right at me goes stay baby that's all i got to say and he walked away

Speaker 1 were you dying

Speaker 1 on camera because he's this close to my face and i'm just looking at this valley view 1995 state championship ring keep in mind this is 15 years later

Speaker 1 stay

Speaker 2 is that division three that's division

Speaker 1 three right valley view was worse than that yeah they were like crossroads

Speaker 2 I can only imagine.

Speaker 1 Oh, I gotta watch that.

Speaker 2 I always say, too, like, I don't know if you've ever been asked by a young comic or the whole like advice question, like, hey, what's a good?

Speaker 2 I get asked it with acting, and acting is like the worst way to give advice because there's no route. I always just tell people, look.

Speaker 2 Whatever you got to take classes, do student films, whatever, just go do it and see if you love it because the whole thing is designed to make you quit. And I feel like stand-up is the same way.

Speaker 2 It is designed to make you do it and be like, holy fuck, this ain't for me. I'm out and quit.
So, the best advice is just go do it and find because if you don't love it, you will quit.

Speaker 2 And I feel like sports are similar, at least at some point. You know, I'm sure, Matt, when some athletes turn pro and get on in their career, whether it's finances or whatever, it becomes about.

Speaker 2 But at some point, you had to love it or else you would have probably stopped. And I feel like stand-up is one of the biggest reasons.

Speaker 2 Like, just go, if you could survive those open mics with five people and more comics in the back and valley view state champs tackling you you're gonna be okay if you could get and you still want to do it the next day you're gonna be all right it's the it's the

Speaker 1 it's the strongest drug i've ever taken

Speaker 1 the rush must be insane right i've heard people that done numerous drugs and been in rehab and they're like it's just the rush and everything goes away and stand-up's very similar no matter what you got going on your life it's like the best form of therapy It's, it's where no matter what's happening, whether the IRS, your ex-wife, like anything's going on in your life, you're like, oh, I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 1 You get on stage and it all goes away. Yeah.
And then we get to talk about it. Like, that's the beauty of it.
We get to actually talk about our problems and people are like, oh, I'm not the only one.

Speaker 3 When we do our show, I remember when I was getting into Fox and doing TV.

Speaker 3 early on, I ran into Strahan and he was, and I asked him, I kind of of said the same thing. I said, Mike, like, you know, you're, every, I feel like every ex-athlete aspires to be someone like Mike.

Speaker 3 He's a crossover entertainment, sports. He's, he's a pro.

Speaker 3 And he goes, Matt, he goes, I've been doing this for whatever, 15 years.

Speaker 3 And he's like, when that red light comes on, I still get butterflies every single Sunday or every single when he's doing the morning show. Every day.

Speaker 1 Every day.

Speaker 3 He's like, when that red light, he's like the adrenaline, because there's nothing like live, like doing, like, stand-up is live. Like, my show is live TV.

Speaker 3 There's nothing like that i'll never forget that i was in the hallway and i'm like god mike strahan's still because i was nervous i was i was so nervous i was trying to like be scripted in what i was saying like okay this this is how i want instead of just reacting right and and all that and i'll never forget that that was the best advice he's like he's like no matter what you still feel that and that means you love it right that means you're passionate about it that means you care and still to this day i still get like the minute let's go five four and then we're on live and there's you know however many sometimes there's like a hundred thousand people sometimes there's a million people watching us but um there's nothing better than that rush that you get before that starts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. All right, Gary, we made you wait long enough.

Speaker 2 We do talk sports on this show.

Speaker 2 I think of you every single Sunday. I have several fans.
Yeah, he's holding up. If you're just audio only, he's.

Speaker 1 You know, I've done this like five times this podcast.

Speaker 1 He's wearing a really dope Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 Joe Burrow shirt.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 you know, I have like a Lions fan in my life. My boy Justin, I check in the score.
I always text.

Speaker 2 But you with the, to me, you are not only like the biggest Bengals fan I know, you're probably in the culture of Bengals fans. You, you're up there.
You have to be up there. Um,

Speaker 2 last year must have been one of the most frustrating years in the world for you because you have this amazing generational quarterback having an offensive year that rivals almost anyone's.

Speaker 2 You got it, and then it just didn't click and the run came way too late. So, where did you leave off with this team? And let's talk about the future after that, where they're maybe going.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was the funnest disappointing season I've ever been across. I'd rather have it, I put it like this, I'd rather have a team losing a lot of close games

Speaker 1 with a great offense than a great defense. Because, you know, if you're losing a lot of close games and the whole season's 13 to 10, yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I used to have that.

Speaker 2 Because you always felt like we were in it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. As long as you got Joe Burrow and Jamar, you felt like, I don't care if we're down 21.

Speaker 1 But it went the other way. We could be up 21 and be like, this ain't over.

Speaker 1 Foot on the gas. Foot on the gas.

Speaker 1 And there were so many. And, you know, I watch every game and then I re-watch it just for punishment.

Speaker 1 There were so many games like that people don't know, like, and you guys do, but like we're up 21 to 7 against Baltimore and our Chase Brown fumbled. If we got the ball, I remember that one.

Speaker 1 That was the one I go, oh, we're about to put him away. They couldn't stop us.
We're about to go up 28-7. And he fumbled the ball.
And I went, Oh, the other, the first Baltimore game.

Speaker 3 If you beat New England, what was the game in week one? You lost to New England.

Speaker 1 That was what that was about.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 That was like crazy. That was like banging an ugly chick.
Like, we've all done it, but we're not really talking about it. Like, what was that?

Speaker 1 Like, there's, you can't tell me, Matt and Jerry, there's been a time in your life where your boy's like, what were you doing last night, bro? Hope it doesn't cost you.

Speaker 1 You just hope it doesn't cost you the playoffs, basically.

Speaker 3 The 2 a.m. straggler.

Speaker 3 Who's a bigger fan? You or Lachey. Nick Lachey's a big fan.

Speaker 2 Nick Lachey's a big Bengals fan.

Speaker 1 He's big, but I don't think he's as passionate as me.

Speaker 3 I don't think he is either.

Speaker 1 I don't think he is either. No, I'm 8-80.
I heard he got upset with me on one of those USC roasts because

Speaker 1 the year you guys played Texas, that's when the NCAA said I couldn't do a live show for you guys. I couldn't pay.

Speaker 1 And I guess Pete Carroll set it up where I did a video and you guys thought you were watching film.

Speaker 1 And I started bagging on you guys.

Speaker 3 You were probably bagging on me being friends with Nick at the time too.

Speaker 1 I did. I had like you, I said, I said, Nick,

Speaker 1 I was like, I had him holding you in a rocking chair. I'm like, how you going with somebody your own age, bro?

Speaker 3 By the way, me and Nick met at a bar called Guys in Santa Monica. Go figure.

Speaker 1 Dudes,

Speaker 3 2005, guys in Santa Monica.

Speaker 1 I think one of his bandmates told me, I think Justin Jeffries said they were showing it and Nick was laughing. And then when it got to part with you and him, Nick went, like, he would never say it.

Speaker 3 He goes, his face was like, yo.

Speaker 1 You guys have to be friends, man.

Speaker 2 You're the preeminent.

Speaker 2 Like, you're exactly who I think of every time I watch the Bengals.

Speaker 1 No, I guess I came out. He was not happy with that joke.
Right. It wasn't like he's not happy with me.

Speaker 3 But yeah.

Speaker 3 He's the only Bengals fan I know. I mean, outside of you, Gary, he's the only Bengals fan who's like diehard Reds, Bengals.
He's all in every week.

Speaker 1 I'm so diehard Cincinnati. Like, I don't know if you remember like 10 years ago, Xavier and UC Bearcats got in a fight.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
You raised strap up.

Speaker 1 I literally was like this. I go, oh, he stole on him.
Then I was like, but do you see the way he took the punch, though? I was on both cats.

Speaker 1 I'm ate up with Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 We got a couple George Clooney.

Speaker 1 Bengals fan? Oh, he's from Cincy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Since he's a great, since he's a great, we did a Cincinnati Bearcats football game two years ago. It was my first time.

Speaker 3 I mean, I played there, but it was my first time actually like kind of hanging out in the city. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 I was, I was surprised.

Speaker 3 I thought it was, it was a cool town.

Speaker 1 Cool sports. Yeah, it's a fun city, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 People always say that when they go. I took Reggie out and I took

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say the other guy's name. He's in a little hot water right now.

Speaker 1 Used to be for the Ravens and the Panthers.

Speaker 1 I took those two guys out one night in Cincinnati and we had a ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's not doing too well right now.

Speaker 1 I don't want to tag on anything. No, no, definitely not.

Speaker 1 Can we talk?

Speaker 1 We got to talk.

Speaker 3 We got to talk about fatherhood because

Speaker 1 I have a question.

Speaker 3 I just had my fourth, a three-week old. Jerry's, listen, Jerry's on the verge to having a three.

Speaker 1 He can ask me. I'm in the crosshairs.

Speaker 3 It's happening. It's happening.

Speaker 1 Is she pregnant?

Speaker 2 No, but every morning. Oh, he's getting pregnant.
I get like coffee made, and it's like, just imagine if we had a little baby. I'm like, but we got two.
We got two of them.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's right. I thought you were going the other direction, Jerry.
I thought you were saying she'd been over the

Speaker 1 island in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 2 she wouldn't cream in me, Jerry. If I said that, she'd be like, down.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Let's get this debate.
Yes. If it's the right time of the month, yes.

Speaker 3 Gary, you and I are in the same boat because we have older kids. I have an 18-year-old.

Speaker 1 I think yours is a little older.

Speaker 3 You're older ones.

Speaker 3 And then you have little twins, I think, right?

Speaker 1 I can't believe you have twins. And

Speaker 3 I have 18, and I have five, three, and then three-week-old.

Speaker 3 My question

Speaker 3 is,

Speaker 3 are we getting a vasectomy? Do you have a vasectomy?

Speaker 1 Because I'm not. I got mine.

Speaker 1 Did you? I already got mine.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Matt's, Matt.

Speaker 3 I'm literally like, I'm asking everybody. I'm trying not to get it.

Speaker 3 I tried

Speaker 3 to get her tubes tied during the whatever. Didn't happen.
Is it the best?

Speaker 1 Were you knocked out or were you just full, like, full?

Speaker 1 I went under.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I went under.
It's a great 20-minute nap.

Speaker 1 And I woke up. Here's the thing you don't say about mastectomies, though.
Two things. Woke up.
I didn't know they shaved your balls. And I looked down.

Speaker 1 And I must have had a black barber because he lined my shit up. It was like, it was like a mid-fade on the balls.
It's like, dang, look how he blended it.

Speaker 1 It was a great cut. I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 I have not seen.

Speaker 1 Is that a one taper in two?

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 so they don't tell you that.

Speaker 1 So I look down, I go, oh, and then you think you get a vasectomy and it's ready. No, you got to get like 30 or 40 ejaculations because

Speaker 1 you got to get all the extra out.

Speaker 2 You got to

Speaker 1 clean the pipes. You got to clean the pipes and you got to send a sample.
That's the worst because you got to send a sample and just say, hey, you're clear.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Your pipes are clean. When you send a sample, it's dry.
So you're jerking off? No, no, saliva.

Speaker 3 No lotion. You're not jerking off in the hospital.
You're just taking it in a cup.

Speaker 1 Like from mine, they mailed it to me. And I got to mail it back.
And I had to write a note. Like, sorry if the box is sticky.
But at the same time, it's the driest hand jobs you will ever have.

Speaker 1 If you're like,

Speaker 1 that shit hurt worse than the vasectomy.

Speaker 2 And then wait, you got to wait on results to basically say, hey, this worked really well. You're good.
Green light. You get the full.

Speaker 1 You're in the clear.

Speaker 2 It's like basically giving a shit, like, you know, like, it's basically giving Shay Gildis Alexa. Hey, green light, bro.
Go get 40.

Speaker 1 Shoot as much as you want. You're good.
I'm just it.

Speaker 3 I'm just visioning like feet and stirrups, just full fuck, just full open. And just my, my, my boy, one of my best friends from high school, he

Speaker 3 lives in South Carolina and he had a couple, like, he had like three nurses in there. And he goes, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was up. I said, why were you up? I said, I'm getting knocked out.

Speaker 3 He was up and he goes, dude, he's like, I felt like these nurses have probably seen some big fucking dicks in their life.

Speaker 1 And I'm out here just spreading all my balls and my lips. Nervous as hell.
It's cold.

Speaker 1 He was like, dude, it was the most uncomfortable 20 minutes of my life. I said, why did you get knocked out?

Speaker 3 So I have this vision of just being in this room because I'm going to have to get it done. I'm trying to delay the process.
But I said, I'm just getting knocked out. My wife's like, why? It's so easy.

Speaker 3 I'm like, you don't understand.

Speaker 1 I'm not trying to just have my, my, my dick and my balls hanging out in front of everybody.

Speaker 2 How do you think my wife would divorce?

Speaker 2 I mean, I know the answer to this, but how fucked up would it be if I was like, oh, I'm, oh, I got this movie, Bri, I'll be back in like six weeks, shoots in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 I leave.

Speaker 2 And I got a vasectomy without telling her and came home been like, let's try for the third baby. It just doesn't happen.
That would be the most fucked up thing ever.

Speaker 2 I can't say I would ever, I would never do that, but I thought about it for a minute.

Speaker 1 I thought I'd tell you what I would, I would tell a lot of these athletes, these young boys, 2021. I'd be like, freeze your shit.
I think they do.

Speaker 1 So you got boys and girls waiting, and then get the vasectomy so you can just do what you do and you're not having all these problems later on.

Speaker 2 I've never said this to anyone like publicly. I have heard, I'm not going to confirm this, but I have heard that that does go on.
Go freeze some stuff, get the vasectomy, and go live.

Speaker 2 And you can also reverse it back too as well. I don't know how effective that is, but I'm going to say that that does go on from what I've heard.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine like if you're a dude and you get the vasectomy and

Speaker 1 you're a star athlete, you're with the Knicks or the Cowboys or something. Leave my Knicks on the Knicks, bro.
And then

Speaker 1 a girl tries to call you. I'm pregnant.
I mean, you could just be like, Oh, you lying

Speaker 2 unless you broke into the vault and thawed my stuff out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like you could really snap on a girl. Like, I'm gonna release this.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 So, it sounds like you had a good experience, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all for it. All right, man.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so basically, you walked away saying, dude, I got a fresh fade on my nuts, man. That was pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 Fresh fade. All right.
Everything. And my doctor was a brother.
And it was funny because I'm glad he made jokes because you got to do the initial consultation. So, what is that? What are they?

Speaker 3 Yeah, what do they do with that? Is it just like the noise?

Speaker 1 You're like your balls to make sure the veins are in the right area and stuff. So, we're having a color conversation.
I look on the wall, and he's got like a University of Cincinnati degree.

Speaker 1 So, that got me talking. Yeah.
And in the middle of us talking, he goes, No, I'm from Texas, but I did my medical residency at UC. And he goes, Yeah, drop your pants.
In the middle of him,

Speaker 1 I was like this. I mean, I just, it was so slow.
It was like a stripper the first day on the phone. I was like,

Speaker 1 and then he like literally, he checks my ball. He doesn't say anything while he's checking my shit.
He's standing up. And then I want to pull my panther.

Speaker 1 He goes, yeah, he goes, I find it easier just to make a joke and just get it done. He goes, and then he told me, he goes, dude, I see balls every day.
Every day I'm going to be. Nothing to me.

Speaker 1 It means nothing to me.

Speaker 1 Nothing. This is literally 10 to 10.30 for me.
And I'm going to lunch. Like, we're looking at it like your whole day.
Like, is he talking about me? Like, Matt's thinking and there's a boy. Oh, dude.

Speaker 1 They're just like, bro. Same with them nurses.
You know how many balls they've seen?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but they're probably, but you know, they're going home, having a glass of wine and just talking about the nuts they saw that day for sure.

Speaker 2 Matt, would it be bad like if you went for your consultation and you have like two or three nurses in there and you're doing your thing or you just showing whatever, and then it's wrapped up, you're getting dressed on the way out.

Speaker 2 Like one of the nurses has been like, I'm a huge USC fan.

Speaker 1 All Matt's going to hear is huge. You're not anonymous.
I'm a grower, guys. I'm a grower.

Speaker 1 You're not anonymous. So, like, here we walk out.
It's like,

Speaker 2 Matt, I just want to say, Mr. Light, your Heisman year was fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 You get to walk out. Oh, gosh.

Speaker 2 What's what's now? Are you on the road? Like, currently, what's your schedule like these days?

Speaker 1 Are you? Yeah, I'm touring every week, basically.

Speaker 3 Are you out in the West Coast in LA? I'd love to come see you.

Speaker 1 I, let me see. Last time I did, I did Irvine.
Dude, I did Irvine right in the middle of the fires. Oh, wow.
When the Pig Pal States fires hit. And it was crazy because I flew into John Wayne

Speaker 1 and it was business as usual down there.

Speaker 1 And then people are like, I can't believe you're performing. I go, no, this is Orange County, not LA County.

Speaker 1 So that was in January. I mean, that was still kind of wild because my hotel was overrun with people that were staying there.

Speaker 1 That was the last time. I'm trying to think next time I'm, I don't know.
I'll let you guys know.

Speaker 3 I'll let you guys. I'll text you, Jerry, and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 Well, sure, man.

Speaker 1 Where are you at, Jerry? What part are you in Northern Ohio? I'm in Cleveland,

Speaker 2 where where my wife is from. So I do have the Ohio.

Speaker 2 By the way, the Bengals-Browns, like obviously AFC-North rivalry, but I feel like all the hatred in the division is still so much more for the Steelers and Ravens.

Speaker 2 Like, even when the Bengals play the Browns, and you would know better than me.

Speaker 2 Of course, like, I witnessed the in-laws and my friends out here in Cleveland are like, we really want to beat the Bengals, but it feels different when it's the Ravens and the Steelers.

Speaker 2 Is that like the same for the Bengals? Like, when they play the Browns, it's like, yes, we want to win division game, but when it's the Steelers and the Ravens, it just hits a little different.

Speaker 2 Is that accurate?

Speaker 1 Steelers way more than anybody else because you gotta realize they knocked us out of the playoffs twice and hurt our quarterback and hurt your quarterback.

Speaker 1 People forget, yeah, they hurt Carson Palmer in the playoffs, but they hurt Andy Dalton four weeks before the season ended. Yeah, and we were rolling, yeah, we were rolling that 2015 team was rolling.

Speaker 2 Good defense, yeah. I remember that team.

Speaker 1 Oh, I mean, AJ Green was in his prime. Yeah, we were rolling that year, and then Andy Dalton freak interception and tackles the guy and breaks his thumb.
I was like,

Speaker 3 who is the backup quarterback? Was that McCarron?

Speaker 1 A.J. McCarron.
Yeah. He did good.
He did good for us. But yeah, so Steelers,

Speaker 1 they hit home. And

Speaker 1 Ben was like 30 and three against us. He killed us.
Like, we were literally like his stepchild. So it was so frustrating.
It was so frustrating.

Speaker 2 So your mandate, though, for the Bengals is sign ever sign sign Hendrickson, get Jama, and you want T, your T. Higgins video.

Speaker 2 Guys, if you haven't seen Gary's T. Higgins video,

Speaker 2 where he basically was throwing him under the bus so no team would side, go check it out on his Insta and on his on his Twitter account. So you just want to bring everybody back and then what?

Speaker 2 You got the 17th pick, go defense with the pick?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 At that point, you go, we need a guard. Best of us.
We need a guard, too. Guard guard.
You need Burrow upright. Yeah.
I hope they re-signed Gosecki, too, low-key. I know.

Speaker 1 Gosecki's nice.

Speaker 2 A lot of good tight ends in the draft, though, too.

Speaker 1 A lot of good tight ends.

Speaker 2 I just like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 We need Burrow in the playoffs. We just do.

Speaker 2 Not just Burrow, the whole team, but I just think the more quarterbacks, like he's just, I just want him to be healthy. Not even because I'm a Bengals fan.
You just want to see it.

Speaker 2 And he was kind of healthy this year. I feel like he still feels kind of banged up, though.
Every quarterback's probably banged up by week eight. But

Speaker 1 I mean, you got to realize his rookie year, that was kind of freak. I mean, the

Speaker 1 lineman.

Speaker 2 Did you go to the Super Bowl that year, though? The Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Did you go? Row one.

Speaker 2 Row one, baby. So if they go again, is that auto? Like, hey, just take this money out of my account right now.

Speaker 1 Well, I made money because what I did was as soon as they beat Kansas City,

Speaker 1 you know, Gab and Dwayne have the suite at SoFi.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 So I FaceTimed them immediately and was like, yo,

Speaker 1 what I got to do.

Speaker 1 And so. Dwayne was so cool.
He was like, yo,

Speaker 1 I guess the NFL buys the suites, but they sell you tickets, eight tickets at cost. But you got to really Super Bowl at cost is thousands on top of thousands.
Yeah. So he goes, how many you want?

Speaker 1 I go, all eight. Before knowing how much it was, I go, oh, shit.

Speaker 2 So he made that same mistake dealing with a pro athlete.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So he said, I need the money like Monday, tomorrow.
I said, it'll be there in the morning. So I wired the money.
They sent me the eight tickets. So I used four,

Speaker 1 but the four that I sold, I made my money back and then some. Nice.

Speaker 1 I got a free trip to the Super Bowl with the ball.

Speaker 2 That's the Cincinnati hustle right there. That's that Cincinnati hustle you just did right there.
I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I got row one. And here's the bad part.
It was like on the

Speaker 1 between the five-yard line and the goal line, right where Cooper Cup

Speaker 1 coffee went touchdown. And it was coming right at me, that row out pattern.
I went, you got to be shitting me right now.

Speaker 2 That's still one of the weirder games because I feel like everything the Rams tried to do was stopped.

Speaker 2 And at some point, I felt like if memory serves me, McVay was was just like, just fucking throw the ball to Cooper Cup every single fucking time. And they did, and it couldn't be stopped.

Speaker 2 And that was like the difference. That game was like right there.
And they just force-fed Cooper Cup, and it just worked.

Speaker 1 That was a good Super Bowl, though. It was, it was.

Speaker 2 The result for you, but in terms of entertainment.

Speaker 1 We had three good Super Bowls, and we lost a lot. Listen, man,

Speaker 1 we love you.

Speaker 2 Your kids are absolutely adorable.

Speaker 1 We're going to close this off. We should have closed it off

Speaker 1 on a vasectomy talk. Vasectomy talk.
We'll cut all the bangles out if you want it.

Speaker 2 But thank you. You're the man, Gary.
We'll see you soon.

Speaker 3 All right, I appreciate you guys. Thanks, Gary.

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Speaker 2 All right. Shout outs to Gary Owen again with

Speaker 2 the tapered fade on his nutsack. God, I love him.

Speaker 1 I haven't left that hard so long.

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And we are officially starting the mailbag portion of the show.

Speaker 2 Okay. We got the account set up.
It's feedback at throwbackshow.com. So we have one good email we're going to read from there.
It's a nice question. So send us your questions, feedback, thoughts.

Speaker 2 Like we say, we do read them and we will read them on this show.

Speaker 2 And maybe I'm a little biased for this one because this mailbag question we got is about the Yankees. And it's a guy named James from Brooklyn.
I have a son named James and I'm from Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 It was not him, though. He's only three and a half years old.
But James from Brooklyn emailed us and said, what's up, guys? Love the show.

Speaker 2 Last week, the Yankees changed their policy banning players from growing beards, saying that they'll now allow well-groomed beards.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's funny how we transitioned from Gary's thing to this. Jerry, as a Yankee fan, are you cool with the change?

Speaker 2 And Matt, as a former athlete, would a policy like a ban on beards ever get in the way of you playing for a particular team? Is there ever a ban that would prevent you from playing for a team?

Speaker 1 My first take on- Go ahead.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's so dumb.

Speaker 2 I i never understood the yankees clean shaven thing um i i got the chance to hang out with johnny damon in september lord was it a travesty that johnny damon couldn't grow a beard as a yankee the dude's got flowing locks did you ever ask him about it No, I mean, I don't think he cared because they paid him well and he had a good time.

Speaker 2 But like, and he look, Johnny Damon's a handsome dude without a beard and a cut, but he was in the Bahamas, Matt. Hair down like way past his shoulder, great beard.

Speaker 2 It just would have been awesome to see that. We were robbed of Johnny Damon with a beard and long.

Speaker 3 My high school football team, modern day, we had to shave our head for, it was, you know, Catholic school. You all had to look, you had to have a buzz.

Speaker 1 A crew cut all kind of thing.

Speaker 3 No, a buzz. Yeah, it could be a six.
It could be a two. I used to get a two.
I used to have a full two around.

Speaker 3 But it was just to start training camp and then you could grow it out the rest of the season. But you had to have a buzz walking into the first day of Hell Week back in the day.

Speaker 3 This is so stupid.

Speaker 1 I'm glad it's stupid.

Speaker 3 It's so dumb. It's about grown men telling a grown man what he can and cannot do.
And like, I've always said, like, I've always looked at this from a locker room perspective.

Speaker 3 And football is a lot different because there's a lot more guys.

Speaker 3 But it's like a lot of these guys are different. They have, whether maybe they have tattoos, maybe they don't.
Maybe they have dreads. Maybe they have a buzzhead.

Speaker 3 Maybe they like, like, there's just so many different shapes, sizes, forms, like ways of

Speaker 3 like art, art, you know, like all of that kind of stuff. Whether it's a hair, it's just like, so let someone be who they want to be and go play the game.
Like, it's just very simple to me.

Speaker 3 I got to be honest with you, I didn't even know that was a policy up until it became a headline.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, really think about it. And that's why Johnny Damon's like the perfect example.

Speaker 2 If you go look at Johnny Damon on the Red Sox, he looks like a mountain man, right? And then he comes to the Yankees, he's clean.

Speaker 2 Jeter posted the funny meme pic of himself, AI, I guess, or Photoshop with the beard that we never got to see.

Speaker 2 I can't even make the case for it. I know Steinbrenner said it back in the 70s, and it was a thing.
And I guess if you're trying to, this is how we run things here. You come play for it.

Speaker 2 It became like part of the mystique. No one gives a shit.

Speaker 3 2025, guys.

Speaker 2 Those 0-4 Red Sox who were bearded, scruffy, cowboy-up sort of thing. Like, they certainly killed that vibe of the Yankees and their clean-cutness.

Speaker 2 So hopefully, now, I don't think any player, though, if the Yankees, Matt, were offering you, hey, why don't you come? We'll give you eight years, seven years, 175 to come play left field for us.

Speaker 2 But you got to shape. I'm pretty sure you would have taken the raiders.

Speaker 3 The only thing athletes care about is money. Right.
And

Speaker 3 a lot of it depends on what state you're going to play in.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't think there's any.

Speaker 3 If you're going to Florida, hey, I'm going to go to Florida because

Speaker 3 it's nice weather, but hey, by the way, there's no state tax.

Speaker 1 No state tax. Texas.

Speaker 3 I'll go play in Texas because, by the way,

Speaker 3 that is a real thing

Speaker 3 that athletes, at least I know football for sure, think about when they have options for a destination.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I don't think any of the Yankees ever lost out on a free agent because of the shaving thing. But it is stupid.

Speaker 2 And also, I'm a big fan of growing like a playoff beard or like whatever, like grow a beard, change it up. So I'm glad that's over.
James from Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 And yeah, I don't think there's ever a band, Matt, that would have made you not want to play for a sorting organization.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 first mailbag on, again, feedback at Throwback Show. Yes,

Speaker 3 send us comments, thoughts, questions, relationship advice,

Speaker 3 whether you should get a vasectomy or not. You know, whatever.

Speaker 2 Fuck. Real quick, some comments that stuck out to me.
Benny on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Oh, good.

Speaker 2 Leinert can act too. About time something good happened for the guy.

Speaker 1 Obviously, that's a lot of sarcasm.

Speaker 2 No, it's a lot of sarcasm. But I think he's basically saying, oh, you're good at acting too, of course.
Like, great. You're good to something.

Speaker 3 Oh, no. I look at it.
I think, I think he's talking shit.

Speaker 2 No, I think he's like about time something good happened for that guy. Meaning, like, oh,

Speaker 2 it's shocking Matt's like good at acting too. Oh, great.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Poor guy finally found something he's good at. I don't think he was talking shit.

Speaker 2 Mike G on Twitter, that was great. Is it really like that? Can it absolutely be brutal for new actors to have to read?

Speaker 2 Yes, Mike. But the...
The thing now is auditions in person don't really happen anymore.

Speaker 1 That's a thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, COVID kind of ended that. And And then the entourage episode went over well.
A lot of people like the pitches of future episodes or what these guys are doing now.

Speaker 2 Adam McGee, I think this is on YouTube, said he would love to see it rebooted. Doug Allen could bring these guys back tomorrow.
Vince off the grid, drama star, turtle, rich, whatever.

Speaker 2 Now, Matt, I will say, even since we dropped this episode, there's been a lot of chatter, the reboot stuff, and even something.

Speaker 2 He's like, start putting something down on some pages.

Speaker 1 Some writers.

Speaker 3 you guys are together it's magic man it's magic well

Speaker 1 what are we waiting on

Speaker 2 i remember i think we we asked connoy and connolly was like there's a lot a lot a lot needs i know a lot of things need to happen whether it's uh money still whatever money someone's got to write a check to make the show more than any okay but fuck man let's do it i will say too i went on to kind of cross promote to kind of cross promote i went on victory the podcast with dylan and connoe and doug and we did discover something that is strange.

Speaker 2 And I even think

Speaker 2 James Jim Miller, who wrote the ESPN book and the HBO book and the CAA and the Saturday Night Live book, one of my favorite writers,

Speaker 2 and he knows everything about HBO because he covers them. I think he was on Bill Simmons and he mentioned,

Speaker 2 you know, HBO does this weird thing now with Macs. Like you can't find entourage really on Macs.

Speaker 2 Like when you scroll the Macs page for HBO and you'll see like all their new stuff, movies or whatever, and then you'll see like their whatever classics or whatever.

Speaker 2 And it's like Soprano, Sex in the City. Then they have some shows that were, I get kind of classics.

Speaker 2 Entourage is nowhere to be found on there. Like you have to go into the search bar and specifically write Entourage to find it.

Speaker 2 And some say because they're still like, oh, it's a guy's show, toxic masculinity, all this.

Speaker 3 Shit. Oh, dude, that shit's, that shit's back.

Speaker 2 It's back. My view, my view, and that's what we discussed on Victory.
And if you haven't listened to it, go over there and listen to that. That is my view: everything goes in a cycle.

Speaker 2 We'll end with this. And I asked the audience this too.
Hit us on the throwbacks, Twitter, whatever, with your answers here. And Matt, I'd ask you, is there a show currently on the air right now

Speaker 2 that is a, like we were dubbed a bromance, like a bro comedy? Is there anything on the air right now, either that you're watching or even know about that would give you those kind of vibes?

Speaker 3 Give me entourage vibes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but not even like a Hollywood show. Just like, yeah, it could be like, even like the always isn't sunny in Philadelphia guys have it, but that show's been on for 30 years.

Speaker 2 Like, that show's never been off the air ever.

Speaker 2 So, you could point to that, but that's older than us.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I can't think of any because there isn't one.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 3 So, well, it's time. Who knows? You said things come back in cycles.
It's fucking time. Let's bring it back.

Speaker 2 They do. They do.
All right. So, mailbag is officially open.
Again, shout outs, Gary Owen. Go check him out on all socials.
And we'll be back next week, everyone.