Hussein Farhat: The Story

Hussein Farhat, the 22-year-old natural bodybuilder known for his incredible transformation.

Have you ever met both of them?

Yeah, yeah, I met both of them.

I had both of them

on the pod.

Yeah, I had both of them on the podcast, and I've also met both of them in person.

And I like both of them a lot.

Yeah, that's the thing.

But it's funny because

I'm very confident that when I met them and since then, since I guess apparently today,

Dr.

Mike and Jared have absolutely fucking hated Greg.

Yeah,

so funny.

So funny.

Yeah, I had a Greg on the podcast, but it was in video format.

That one.

It was an old podcast.

It was an old episode.

Want me to grab it?

No.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I put this on while we're speaking.

You don't have to.

Your hair looks pretty, so you don't have to.

No, it's fine.

But

I like it because I fucked Jared over because

he was on my last podcast with Kyle.

Yeah.

And I guess I put the mic a little bit too close to his face.

Yeah.

And then he decided not to wear the headphones.

So the problem with that is when you don't wear the headphones,

you don't know when you're breathing straight into the mic.

So everybody on the podcast was like, God, a goddamn bodybuilder podcast.

Gotta love him.

Everyone skips their cardio.

And then after the podcast, Alexey was like, yeah,

it was pretty fucking bad.

It was kind of hard to to listen to.

Sounds like Jared's Fader.

Did you post it?

Yeah, it's posted.

Yeah, that's why the comments are there.

Yeah, I'll go.

I'm sorry, Jared.

I'll go watch that after.

If everyone wants to know,

Jared does breathe loudly, but not that loudly.

Yeah.

We, bro, I.

I was kidding, Jared.

They killed me today, bro.

It was actually...

I met them yesterday, actually.

They had a pod with Eric.

Yeah.

And like I said, they're like, both really nice.

Same with Greg, like individually.

But then yesterday he was saying, like,

you know, obviously all the issues they've had.

So, like, I see both sides.

And today, he finally just squashed it.

So, it's, it should be fine moving forward.

Wait, can you bring the mic closer to your face?

I got you.

So we can all hear you breathing.

It's okay.

Bring it a little bit higher.

Yeah.

Yeah, that should be perfect.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Perfect.

Yeah, it's better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How did they squash the beef?

They just sat down.

We went to the gym.

I had to work out with Mike before, Mike and Jared, and then they just sat down after in a, it was just like an area where like nobody, nobody can, can come in.

I think it's just like a posing room or like private group room.

And he just sat down and was just talking.

The video is probably going to come out soon, but it's just like, Greg's point was it's just views.

You know, it's just video.

It's nothing personal.

Greg, you little fucker.

It's just like, and, and, and I kind of, I kind of agree.

Like, he did a video on me.

Yeah.

That's how basically how we started.

And I'm pretty much best friends with him now.

Yeah.

So I guess it's the, it's the, his,

like, mindset basically for him is just like nothing serious.

It's, it's just a video.

But for Mike, it was like

he thought it was serious.

So he would like, all right, Greg is making fun of me in videos.

I'm going to make fun of him in person.

And that's how it started when they first met.

Mike was like trolling him and whatever.

But yeah, basically, and they were just talking and they were explaining their points and they both made sense.

And he squashed it.

And now Greg is not going to, Greg's going to stop posting.

He should stop posting about my job i'm not gonna say he is gonna stop he made it a meme bro that's crazy there's so many things bro the blue lobster the tan the

amazing yeah

but yeah should be squashed now yeah what do you think about that about like um

like uh trolling people on videos for views uh

i don't personally do it i don't like but i don't have any issues with it like if it's jokes and or if it's something true like for example in Naughty or Not and someone is actually non-natural.

And like for me, for example, when he did the video on me, I didn't have any issues with it because I went and got tested a day after and said everything over and we're basically best friends now.

So I don't have a problem with it unless it's like personal attacks that like can.

detriment someone's career.

It could have done mine, honestly, to be honest.

But then he has a point of like, if I'm non-natural and I'm saying I'm natural, I'm trying to get clients for my coaching, it makes sense to make a video on it.

So I guess he's, he just says the truth.

It's not like he's making a video to, or depending if he has a beef with someone like for mike but for mike it was just the tan stuff and like it wasn't fake like it wasn't false so i don't really have a problem with it as long as it's not like personal attacks or like fake stuff yeah yeah

Maybe I'm not that like verse enough to speak about this because I haven't watched enough of their videos and I like a lot of what Greg does and what he talks about.

There was one thing where I think there was a discussion on like Nick Walker, for example.

Yeah.

And I think a lot of the audience took it very seriously and just basically gave Nick a lot of shit because he had to drop out of a show.

But my perspective is, you know, like you've competed a lot in the natural federations.

However, in unnatural federations, every time you compete, just like in a natural federation, actually, there's a little bit of a detriment to your health, right?

Absolutely.

But in the natural federation, it's when you get super low.

It's like a little punch to your hormones maybe

maybe to your thyroid potentially to your mental health depending on who you are but when it's like in the enhanced bodybuilding space

there's quite a bit more right

because you got it like normally some people add orals not everybody normally people add some more to their bodybuilding stack as the show day comes around normally people throw in diuretics so it's like that's a period of time that is extremely stressful to your physique and your body.

Tons of oxidative stress.

And so that's why a lot of people take a health phase afterwards.

So it's like, if you feel like you're going to go into a show with your worst package ever, you just know it's not going to go well.

It's like, I almost feel like it's better to err on the side of like, why sacrifice my health?

when I can save it for when I know I'll bring a better package, if that makes sense.

Yeah, it does.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah.

I agree.

But like making the video, I don't think it's an issue because obviously, like, you're never going to know if someone is going through something, if that makes sense.

Like, for example, I can make a joke on you or whatever, or like, just say something on you.

Maybe like his biceps are smaller than his triceps, for example.

But like, if you don't see it and you don't care, it's not going to affect you.

But then if you actually, it's something you're self-conscious about, now it's like a problem.

So I think it's not, it's obviously like you can, you can keep like

your opinion to yourself.

Obviously, you could, but I think the way it affects someone depends on how they feel about it, if that makes sense.

So I don't have any issues with, well, for me, it wasn't a problem, but I can see how Mike, for him, it was a problem.

You know, he's trying to get a pro card and he's making fun of him.

And he's saying like, the only reason he didn't get it is because of his 10.

So that's kind of like, which Mike didn't say, by the way.

He was just saying like

out of those things, the 10 was also something that jet turreted his, you know, his chances of getting that pro card.

Right.

So yeah, I I guess it depends on the person you're talking about.

Yeah.

That's kind of funny.

It was funny.

But yeah, they finally squashed it.

I was like sitting on the side watching it.

It was like, hopefully, hopefully you fixed it because Eric was actually in between.

He was like running the video.

Okay.

And like...

Another moderator?

Yeah.

And he's really...

He's getting good at being a moderator.

Yes, he was on the Jubilee video, which is where we met.

But yeah, he was just moderating.

He's really good friends with both.

So he's actually like,

that was funny as well.

He was saying, he goes to Mike and he says, like, when he first met Greg, he was already friends with Mike.

And he was telling him, Mike, like,

you know, I just met Greg, he's amazing.

You know, I went to his house, he took care of me, he was going to take me to the gym, whatever.

But then

all that Mike sees is Greg dropping these videos onto him.

So, like, it kind of affects Eric as well because he's like saying this to Mike, but then Mike, all he sees is like Greg making fun of him.

Yeah.

So, like, Eric was kind of in a like, he wants to be obviously his business partners with Greg and myself, but then also

he, like, friends with Mike.

So, it was kind of hard for him.

But finally, we squash in, and Eric is definitely happy.

Okay, that's cool.

That's cool.

I like that.

I like to hear that because that makes a lot more sense to me and resonates a lot more with me because I felt a lot more, I felt like I related a lot more to Greg's position, where it's like, I understand both of these two and I know both of these two, but it's like weird to be in the middle, especially when one is talking about the other.

Yeah.

So, I don't know.

That's nice to hear, though.

Um,

there's always too much drama in social media yeah too much especially in the in this industry yeah try to stay away from it though so how does it feel to have like

i wonder what the percentage would be but how does it feel to have like hundreds of thousands of people think that you're not natural i honestly love it i i really i really enjoy it to be honest like if i if everybody thought i was natural I just wouldn't be where I am, if that makes sense.

So I take it with, you know, like that's almost kind of an insult, right?

When everybody thinks you're natural.

Yeah, it is.

It definitely is.

Like, you know, we went on a Jubilee show, and I was like, really happy to see these comments, like, oh, he's not natural, him, shizzy, you're not, and Joshua, like, what are you doing on this side?

Yeah, so I was really happy to see that because it shows me, all right, you're actually doing something right.

And I think for me, it's mainly the timeline I was able to get my results in that people are like, all right, it's impossible.

The timeline is crazy, man.

That is insane.

Yeah, for sure.

It is.

I used to watch you.

I used to watch yesterday, I met Brody and Luke.

I used to watch them.

So it's kind of funny being here, like a few years later after like getting that transformation.

So yeah, I agree.

The timeline is definitely crazy.

And also like the main thing I had in mind before starting was like, it's going to take so long to get there.

So I kept delaying it.

But then I was like, fuck, you know, the time's going to go by anyway.

Like, I could have started when I was 17.

Yeah.

Fuck, I'll start right now.

And I started when I was 19.

I'm 22 now.

So, yeah.

I would love to break this down, honestly, because I feel like a lot of people like to hear about where you're coming from.

But it's very easy to take the position of either, I believe he's natural.

What did you do to get there?

Or I believe he's a liar and he's totally unnatural.

For me, I feel like there's always,

there's obviously always so much variance and we will never know the truth for any of these people, really, right?

But I've seen some freaks for sure, bro.

I've seen some freaks.

And whether or not we believe some of them or like, you know, past Mr.

Olympias that were natural at one point and still looked like they were running deer Roddy Coleman you're like Roddy Coleman bro yeah um

it just makes you wonder sometimes you know because

uh I think

I guess the first thing I want to ask first is what was like your history

um

what was your history before you started lifting what was your past like what were the activities that you did okay what what did you enjoy the most yeah So I used to, I've actually, like my dad used to train a lot, my brother as well.

So I had like, I used to go to the gym like when I was 14, 15, but like it was like maybe once every couple of months just to be with them, you know, activity.

But I used to be a big gamer.

So I would sit down, just game for eight, 10 hours a day for like, you know, really long periods.

And I think that was mainly why I was like really skinny.

Like I had good genetics, obviously, from after, you know, if I, if I look back now, but I was just sitting down and not really moving, but I was really skinny at the same time.

So, yeah, that was mainly what I was, what I used to do was like really gaming, but I had the knowledge just from going with them, you know, a few times, a couple of months, I would hear, know, and learn.

So, this is why I think I was able to see really fast results is just the fact that I had the knowledge when I first started.

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And you said it was your dad and your brother.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What exactly, like what level of, I guess, lifting, sideboarding

did they do or were they into?

My dad was like,

he came from Lebanon.

So obviously like

he didn't have much you know back back when he was like younger so he used to train with like a uh what's it called like a fan he had a like a fan and he used to just take it and do like chest protest with it with it it was pretty heavy and he used to like drink a fan yeah a fan like an actual fan it was that's like some filipino

exactly exactly they really have like maybe money to go to the gym whatever so he used to train with a fan and then he would drink like milk and bananas he would like blend them up and just drink

no protein whatsoever maybe even milk but yeah that was mainly it but then he came here uh he no actually to canada montreal and he started training there and um he used to go like every day sometimes multiple times a day which which isn't optimal uh and then really grew he's like probably right now uh 56 years old he looked like he's 30 maybe

and he's like 185 uh pretty lean so how tall is he uh around my height so like close to six foot like five eleven six okay okay yeah

and uh yeah and my brother was not really like advanced.

I wouldn't say like really advanced, but he got a transformation really fast as well when he first started.

And he knew everything.

He used to watch, like Athlete Next.

He used to watch you.

Actually, that's what I told you when I met you in the Jubilee.

Like my brother used to watch you and everything.

That's awesome.

With the stride glutes and stuff.

But yeah, and he had all the knowledge.

And then he stopped training for a while.

He was like in medicine school.

So he went to, you know, it's a lot of work.

So he stopped training.

And then I started doing what, you know, the training.

And then um now he works with me you know for the businesses that i do so he came back and he's starting back to get into the gym so that's awesome yeah

how much do you weigh right now right now right now it's kind of funny i put on a lot of weight while i was here in ohio i was 180 when i first came here like four four days ago and i'm 189 or close to 190 now oh fire four days wait did you bring your body scale with you Yeah, no, I actually weighed myself in the gym, but Eric has one at home.

Oh, okay.

I'm staying with Eric.

Nice.

Yeah.

But I gained 10 pounds in four days, which is kind of crazy.

That is nuts.

Did you say like on a video with Greg that like you have to like, you literally have to try hard not to eat or else you get fat?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Has that always been like that?

No, I wasn't.

I was, I think I was really skinny, but like I said, I used to game, so I wasn't really moving.

So I didn't have that hunger.

I wasn't like, like, I didn't want to eat.

But then once I started training, I had my hunger just go up.

So I kept like eating as much as I wanted.

I put on a lot of weight, gained muscle, stayed, like, got leaner as well.

I don't know how, to be be honest, I was just like eating healthy, keeping everything healthy.

And once I started social media, you got to stay lean, obviously, like for the views and stuff.

So I was kind of restricting myself not to go too much because, you know, I'm going to get fat.

And yeah, right now I'm like at a point where I need to make sure I'm not eating too much.

I'm forcing myself.

I'm trying to fast to make sure like I'm not hungry before going to bed.

So I kind of force myself not to eat too much because I just put on too much weight, which is a good thing.

Yeah.

But yeah.

Do you feel like you've become more sensitive from all those shows that you did and also trying to stay lean for social media?

Definitely, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I definitely think so.

I did one, actually, I just competed once in November, and uh, Greg coached me.

I feel like it definitely played, like, I lost some muscle for sure for that show.

Uh, naturally, it is hard to like maintain and everything.

So, I got down to 165 on stage from like 185 when I met,

yeah, yeah.

So, I was 185 when I met Greg, relatively lean, like maybe seven, eight percent, probably eight percent.

And then I was like just, I dropped down, got close to, I think maybe like five when I was on stage, maybe five, six.

But yeah, I'm definitely sure a lot of, lost a lot of muscles.

And then once I did the worst post-show, the worst one possible, I just went to LA for the to shoot the Jubilee video.

That was the day after.

And I just had crumbled there, like probably averaged around 10,000 to 12,000 calories for my whole stay there.

Wait, 10 to 12,000 per day.

Per day, yeah, yeah.

i just calculated once for fun it was like 11 000 calories what did you eat everything

i was eating crumble uh there was uh like pizza burgers

yeah it was

fire bro oh my gosh wait so that was the first that was the only time you competed yeah yeah it was the only time i did eight different categories that one time oh for some reason i thought you did two different

Okay, you did eight categories.

Yeah.

And then you came home with like seven medals.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay.

What were those seven medals again it was for um bodybuilding true novice i could only do eight i was going to do 12 if i could but there was a limit of how much you can apply for so i did bodybuilding uh true novice i did everything for no actually i did uh true novice novice and open for classic physique and then i did everything for men's physique so true novice novice um what's it called what's the other one junior and open

Okay, so that was the eight.

And you did open bodybuilding as well?

Yeah.

No, no, I didn't do do open, just true novice.

Oh, true novice for bodybuilding.

Yeah, exactly.

That was my first time.

So I could do novice, true novice,

and everything.

So I just said, you know, might as well take as much as I can.

I won True Novice, I think, in

every single one.

I won True Novice in bodybuilding, but then the True Novice shows that I did it right after Classic and Men's Physique.

Both of the True Novice won.

the overall in open.

It was their first time competing, but they won the whole thing.

Holy shit.

Overall, yeah.

So it was crazy.

yeah so just like worst luck possible i had that eric janeke luck yeah so i get it but yeah it was it was funny but it was definitely a good experience i really enjoyed it um it wasn't too hard to die down i'm like i said i'm i stay lean for content so it was just like a couple more weeks like maybe six weeks yeah leading up to the show but it definitely me up yeah

just just started to recover now like now i'm probably back where i was when i first met greg fucked up how so fucked up in a way like i lost a lot of muscle and strength and I just did the worst post-show.

So like instead of, I went back up and weighed but I like the muscle that I lost, I didn't really take my time to build it back up.

I just went back up and weighed but then I'm like one back to 185, but I'm like fatter than when I was 185 the last time.

Oh shit.

So now I need to cut again to be good for social media.

Damn.

So now cutting back again, I'm not really getting back that muscle.

And I'm, you know, it was kind of hard, but I feel like now I'm back.

Like I try to maintain, keep, you know, growing, uh upping my lifts and now i'm back like to where i was okay cool cool yeah damn if you took some wind troll for that show you probably would have retained more of us

probably i was talking to eric yesterday he was showing me like the gear and stuff that he has yeah bro it's i'm like i could just take this and i'll be

i'll be good

how tempting is it for you honestly not really like i don't plan on competing and i love the the message that i push in my content which is like stay natural you can do it yourself and like the reason I started training, obviously, was I was looking at like David Laid, Lex Little,

you know, all these people that are like, well, natural from what they say.

But then it just gave me that sense of like, oh, okay, I can do it too.

You know, if they're natural and they're here, like, I can also achieve that.

So I got started.

And I think now I'm giving that message to other people.

You know, they see me natural.

I've done the test.

I'm down to get tested anytime.

That's also something we can talk about later.

Like people that don't think I'm natural, I told Greg on a video, like, if they want me to get tested, I'm down to like, they just have to pay for the test.

And I would do every single test every single week if they need they want me to for a full year.

And if I fail one of them, I can refund the whole thing, like the whole test, and I'll give the person 50k on top of it.

Boom!

50k on top.

Make it 100 if they want to.

I don't mind.

That's my entire bank savings, bro.

Fire.

But yeah, like I said, like, I'm really down.

But yeah, what was I saying?

I was talking about...

Yeah, exactly.

I was looking up to these people because they were natural.

And now I'm using my platform to push that message.

You can also do it too because I know that's what got me started.

So if I can help people start, I'll do it.

Yeah, I think that's awesome too, bro.

That's what I wanted to do, but I failed at it.

Yeah,

you hopped on.

Why do you decide to hop on?

You talked about it on the Jubilee, like briefly.

Yeah, so I was a my biggest passion, really, like that is

that is basically like a, I guess that would be the foundation for why I started even creating social media in the first place.

But I think the thing that mattered the most to me on the inside was really like the validation of earning my pro card.

I think that was number one for me.

So after I competed in

six shows, maybe or so.

I did five nationals in total.

But after I competed in like six total shows, including regional shows, I was getting placed literally,

I was getting like, what is the word for it?

I was like unplaced.

Under like 15 or something?

Yeah, under 15, like 16 plus.

I was literally just not placed at nationals for multiple times.

And that's kind of like, if your dream, like the number one thing you want is not to be the engineer your parents want, not to become the pianist you wanted to as a kid, not to be the tennis player because you'll never be the great tennis player you were because there's way better Asians out there than you.

But like get your fucking pro card because bodybuilding is all you did since you were 12 years old and that's all you want to do.

Yeah.

And you're 16th plus place every time you get to nationals.

It kills you every time.

It fucking kills you, bro.

So at one point, I don't think I ever would have taken gear, but I had too much easy access to it because

I joined this coaching team that one of my friends was part of.

And

I started learning a lot from that coaching team, right?

The guy started giving me some nutrition plans and et cetera, a lot of these things.

Fortunately, I was stubborn and still did a lot myself but as we kept doing as we did two competitions together i believe after that last one where i did really terrible at nationals um he started um pushing some more substances on me and even since the beginning he was like um bro most of these people here are not natural um if you want to do well like there are people with great genetics but you will unfortunately probably need pds if you want to do well at all

and i'd always be like i don't want to to take him.

Yeah.

And then finally, after this, like, last show, he was like, take these.

They're not steroids.

It's called, they're called AIs or aromatase inhibitors.

I had no clue what any of this was, and I was just a dumbass.

So at one point, I just like, I was like, whatever.

He said, they're not gear, so I'll take it.

Little did I know, it's like the stupidest thing you could possibly do for natural.

Don't take estrogen blockers or aromatase inhibitors if you're natural.

There's really no reason.

And then it was almost like a gateway to PDs for me because then my next drugs that I took, which were also pills, were Windstroll and Halotestin.

And those are steroids.

But it's kind of easy access because you just pop it in your mouth like the rest of it.

So, I mean, after that, I basically lost my niece card and that was it.

Yeah, you were like, my rest was history.

Yeah.

I know, I think Shizzy asked you this question on the Jubilee.

It was like, if you would have taken it back, and I think you said you wouldn't because you're in a good position now.

But in that case, like, what would you, if you could give like one piece of advice to your younger self, what would you say at that point

when I was competing for nationals, yeah?

Like, you maybe, like, yeah, just before you hop on, if you could go back and like, just give yourself one piece of advice.

Oh, yeah, yeah, what would you say?

Fucking educate myself.

Yeah.

Don't, yeah, don't be a dumbass and just look things up more.

Like, I understand at the time, there was not very much information.

Um, before I got my pro card, uh, most of the shit online was just like blogs,

like bodybuilding.com, Reddit, just a bunch of forums.

I'm really trying to think of if there was any like gear talk out there, and there was really not much, man.

More plates, more dates, but I didn't understand more plates at all at the time.

I had no clue what the fuck he was talking about.

I'm sure there was some more, but there were probably much, much smaller counts that I didn't find or I didn't see or anything.

So, yeah, man, I would literally just tell myself to educate myself, which is why I think this day and age is,

even though it's scary that there's a lot of gear being pushed, especially like on TikTok, it's also nice that there's a lot of,

a lot more credible people out there with

good, informative content

for people that are probably going to do these things regardless of what anyone says.

Yeah.

What I don't really like is the fact that those people

got a lot less views than the people that just pushed the good sides of ticking gear.

Like, you know,

you know what I mean?

The good sides.

The good sides.

I like the positives.

You look insane.

You feel good.

Yeah.

Gambling is fine, for example.

Not throwing shots or anything.

But like, that's one thing I love that I try to do is really push the natural side.

Obviously, I can't talk about gear because I don't know what it feels like.

I obviously know the negatives just from people that have done it before.

But I have people, for example, like as strong as I try to push my message, I have people that I know personally, like that saw videos of people that are like promoting the good, the good sides about it.

And they just, they're 17, they hopped on MK or TESS or whatever.

And, you know, it's, it's like, even if there is data information like out there, I think if you're promoting the good sides about taking gear, in my opinion, it's kind of like promoting just taking gear.

Yeah.

Do you, do you see it that way too?

Or like,

what do you feel about that?

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I do think it's unfortunate that obviously it's the funny shit that gets all the views, you know?

So I don't, I just think it's unfortunate.

I don't know what to do about it.

I think we just have the, as everyone says, it's like, it's your body.

You do whatever you want with your body.

So we just put our hope in

whoever that they will make a smart decision to at least educate themselves on how how how terrible it can be for you or whatever else they need to educate themselves on you know yeah but it's hard man it's like it's like the same kind of conversation i think with having kids is like how do you

how do you regulate certain things with kids like do you let them experience things for themselves and make those judgments or do you like prohibit shit like alcohol or whatever and then by the time they're out of the house they fucking go crazy and they yeah get only fans and shit

i think it's all about like explaining explaining what it is like obviously don't just like tell them not to do it without explaining why so i like i think in my i'm i'm muslim by the way and i haven't been following it like as close as i have been recently and the main reason was because of you know understanding it if you don't understand something you're obviously not going to follow it as much as if you actually understand it so I don't, I think as a parent, your role would be not only to tell your kid like what is best, but also explaining to them why it's best, if that makes sense.

So like, yeah, I think that's the best way to do it.

Like, obviously, don't, if, if you don't want your, your daughter to do an OnlyFans, for example, you would try to explain her, like, to her why, you know, down the road, might not be a smart idea.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I think it's the same thing with gear, but obviously it doesn't get as much views as the good stuff.

So, well, I think what I'm trying to say is that's exactly what I would do too.

But the problem is the kids, like we're discussing what the problem, the main issue is that

the content that's being pushed the most is from other kids that are glorifying it, essentially, right?

Okay, yeah, so close to that.

And it's like, how do we force the kids that are glorifying it to not glorify it

to like

add disclaimers about it or something like that, right?

So I think that's the part that's like frustrating.

And it's like, there's not that, there's not, when it comes to that point, it's a little bit harder to see the things that we can control.

Yeah.

If that makes sense.

Nothing much you can do about it, to be honest.

It would be down to the platform at that point.

Right.

And

in my opinion, like the platform in itself is probably not the thing.

Like TikTok, for example, or Instagram, whatever, is probably not the place that wants the best for people.

The goal is just to keep the people on the app.

But yeah, I don't, there's nothing you can do, except like for me, all I can do is just push my content and my message of staying natural.

And I think if more people would do that, it would definitely help.

I think so too.

I think, just like I said in the Jubilee podcast, I feel like I said this like 10 times on the podcast.

But I think the number one thing people could do is educate.

Just keep putting out content there where you educate and you inform, and people can make their own decisions from that.

Hopefully, if it becomes big enough, then the content is pushed out more and more.

Yeah.

This is all y'all's responsibility.

I think it's a mixture of both, to be honest.

Like, obviously, educating, but also being careful with how, like if you know the stuff is bad try to like slip it in there if that makes sense like i know it's definitely hard like and it's not realistic but i think that the because obviously you talking about like or me talking about like you know the the benefits or like the bad stuff of being on gear compared to someone promoting all the good side is not going to get the same amount of views so i think it's on both sides not only the side that is like trying to educate and explain but also on the side that is promoting gear you see what i mean yeah i do see what you mean But it's not.

I have a little argument to that, though.

I almost think that the extremes of both sides get the most views.

I think it's like, if you're on the extreme of the side that, like,

I'm also trying not to call anyone out, but fuck it.

You could say

because we're homies.

Yeah.

If you're not trying to be like

my boy David or

other homie that posts the TikToks of them like injecting themselves and stuff and becoming more jacked and shit.

Or you could be like Greg who posts

a picture of one kid now and then the picture of him later where his head is like bald and he's got a massive beard and he's got acne everywhere and he's degerating on the inside.

It's like both get fucking crazy amounts of views, right?

Yeah.

But both are also not really

true.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm saying, yeah, yeah, I see what you mean.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like

people like to,

you know, extremes always get the most eyes, right?

That is a good point.

But I think the reality of it is to see what the bad sides and the good sides are of something

to really be able to have some kind of reasonable or some kind of like high level of deductive reasoning in what you're doing you know yeah

that is a good point I should probably be more extreme in my

I'll keep that in mind.

I mean, your pictures look pretty extreme, bro.

That chest looks pretty fucking extreme, dude.

I tried to, bro.

I think it's just like pushing the message mainly.

But yeah, the chest, it's there.

I tried to, it's just my favorite body part to train.

Yeah.

And yeah,

I'll keep that in mind.

I feel like for people who also don't think that you are natural, I think that's kind of

surprising because I feel like your weight

or your height is very, very, very, very reasonable.

Yeah.

I mean, I think it almost, to me, it just like shows that you have like really great genetics, a great structure, great insertions.

Like it looks awesome, you know?

But it's crazy to see that like you have that physique but with that weight like a stage weight of 160 what well 165 i was yeah 165 at six foot which is lower than my stage weight which is crazy to me because i'm fucking a midget you know so um

that's pretty fucking sick because

not to twist your arm or anything but if you were to jump on gear and you'd be fucking crazy for that weight bro i i've yesterday bro i was talking with eric and

but again i don't have that passion for competing yeah uh but if i did you know I would definitely be open about it and let people know, you know, I want to compete.

I want to take this seriously.

So I decided to do this.

Obviously, I'm not pushing it.

But yeah, I would definitely be like open about it.

And obviously, I work with Greg.

And if whatever happens, he's going to be truthful, whatever.

So I don't even want to like,

I don't want to hop on, but if I was, I would definitely be like open about it for sure.

And also, also, you would see it.

Like, you would definitely notice.

Right.

Like, for example, Alex hopping on recently.

I, that's my opinion, obviously.

But, like, he hopped on and you can definitely see that he wasn't on before because he put on so much weight and you know, yeah, his massive his fullness is drastically different.

Yeah, so like that makes sense.

So it would probably be the same for me.

Why did you compete in the first place if you feel like that's something you don't really want to do?

Good question.

Honestly, it was just about, you know, I met Greg and he was like, you could probably hop on in six weeks.

on stage.

And I was like, that would be good content.

So I just did it.

I didn't know that I wasn't going to like it that much until I did it.

So I was like, you know, I'm in the space.

I'm a fitness influencer, whatever you want to call it.

So might as well, you know, I'm here.

Yeah.

What made you not like it so much?

I think it's definitely like the, how much I pushed it for, in my opinion, like, obviously I wanted to hop on stage.

So it made sense, but like, I lost a lot of muscle.

And in the grand scheme of things, which is content and like what I want to do long-term, which is content and like, you know, just growing muscle, because I'm still three years in, it didn't make much sense.

So if I was to do it again, I would probably lose muscle again.

And yeah, that's so, and also like the posing was fucking awful, bro.

Maybe it's because I did eight categories.

I was on there, like, I have the whole footage of me on stage posing.

That's a lot, man.

Yeah.

It was like, it was, I think, an hour and 40 minutes long.

Yeah.

Just fucking posing.

Yeah.

So I didn't expect it.

I thought it was like three minutes up there.

And you go back.

So I would do this eight times.

So 20 minutes of posing is a lot, but I could handle it five times that, bro.

It was five times like the 20 minutes.

Um, so that was also one part I didn't like.

Yeah, I had a cramped first pose, I was doing a side chest.

Oh man,

dude, I remember one of my first shows, I had a cramp on stage too, yeah, and I was competing for the overall at the regional show, so they had to pause the entire show until I uncramped because it was me versus one other guy for overall.

Where was the cramp?

Uh, it was my legs.

I'm trying to remember where my like calf was in my calf all the time.

Yeah, sleep last one

oh man

like did you stop posing

uh did you just tell them yeah did you tell them you had a cramp or how like what yeah yeah i cramped up and i like had to like i couldn't stand walk you know so they were like what's wrong and i'm like i'm cramping you know so they had to yeah they were just kind and they stopped it that's awesome um

but uh i just had to lay on the ground and wait until like stretch it out until it stopped and then we just went back yeah uh but did you um did you dehydrate or anything?

Yeah, you did.

Okay, but you didn't take any diuretics, right?

No.

Like I asked Eric what that was because I think he took it for his show.

Is it natural?

Diuretics?

Yeah.

Yeah,

they're natural.

They're not steroids.

They're not perfect.

Well,

I would consider them not performance enhancing drugs because technically they'll probably drop your performance drastically.

They make you dry, of course, because it's a fucking water diuretic, but there's various types of diuretics.

That's a thing.

The word diuretic can encompass multiple things such as like dandelion root that's a supplement you can buy over the counter okay or it could encompass something that's like prescription based such as like um diazide yeah and these are like much much much much stronger diuretics but um

like i already said they're prescribed so i mean i guess that's considered natural but technically if you're not prescribed that by a doctor then maybe it's just illegal okay i don't know okay no but no i didn't take any i just dehydrated um i followed the plan the carb up so i had like chocolate bars by the end by the end of the day yeah he told me like try to keep it low volume so you're not too bloated but also try to get as much carbs in so chocolate bars yeah why chocolate bars i don't know he just told me like you could have reese's or like uh curam milk whatever just like chocolate bars because it's a lot of uh it's a lot of like carbs but in like a really slow like uh small volume

so i was like you don't he told me you don't want to get bloated too much so i was having like gas x and I was just, I just ate two chocolate bars.

Gas sex?

Yeah.

Okay.

It would help me like with just like not being bloated.

So he told me like when I was like, is that like an over-the-counter supplement?

Yeah.

Like from Amazon?

Yeah.

I'm going to fucking get that right now.

Because

I got that gas every day.

It would help.

It definitely helped.

Yeah, it would help.

Sorry if it's something smells right now.

It just started burping.

It helped a lot like with keeping my waist like as small as possible.

Damn.

Yeah.

It just goes up the other way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, that's fucking sick, bro.

It just goes up the other way, bro.

Lexi, we need to get some of that

gas X,

it'll stop the frogs in their chest.

Exactly, yeah, but it was great, it was um, and yeah, that's it.

Like, I carved up.

I think the only problem was when I was on stage, I saw people like glowing, and I thought they were like just sweating a lot, bro.

You're glowing.

No,

I'm like glowing in the sense of like, actually, they were like shining.

Okay, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, they were shining.

I thought, like, they were just like sweating sweating a lot.

So I was like, fuck, I need to drink more water.

But then I was like, oh, like, there's an oil station.

Like, they oil you up.

Yeah.

And I didn't do it until the end of the show.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, I just forgot.

So I was like, you're going to get oiled up, bro.

I was going to get oiled up for Greg Doucette.

I wasn't going to do set.

But yeah,

yeah.

But that was,

that was, that was funny.

But I still did pretty well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think I got too oiled up for a sesh.

Yeah.

um yeah and i think uh someone told me i can't remember if it was my back but i think someone told me it actually made it look

like worse yeah because it was like so oiled up that it almost like

made even the the the the lines shine yeah so it kind of became like a sheen flat yeah i don't i think it on almost hurt because there was just too much yeah and that's my fault because i wanted to get really shiny i thought it would help was that a pro show

yeah it was a pro pro show, yeah.

But I mean, um,

I mean, if you weren't sweating, I mean, that's probably a good thing, yeah, exactly.

I tried to dehydrate for my last show, um, and uh, we were on stage.

I know this sounds crazy because I'm sure you've heard the same story, but like, you know, in the regional shows, normally people are like, Yeah, you fucking go on stage for like fucking 30 seconds, and the judges don't even like look at you sometimes if you're not that special.

It's like, what's the point of like literally starving myself to death for 15 weeks?

for like what 30 seconds on stage, right?

But my show, my first pro show I ever had, we were on stage for an hour.

Damn.

It was insane.

Yeah.

One?

One category?

One category, Mince Physique.

Okay.

It was a Mince Physique Pro for the show.

It was the only pro division in that show.

So it's also understandable that they wanted to make sure that they judged the show well.

And that was also like the main event technically for the show, I guess.

But it was shocking to me that it was actually a full hour where I literally, I think we got on stage at 11 and I didn't get on off stage and see my phone.

The time literally said 12.05.

And I'm like, that's fucking insane.

Obviously, there's a period of time in the middle where they had to tell us to go off stage so they could dab some of us because we all we like damn there was like half of us started sweating under the lights because we were under there for so long, even though we were dehydrated.

And I was like literally the worst, bro.

My entire chest was drenched.

Yeah.

But I understand the feeling because like being up there for so long

dude.

Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

I was only like my friend relaxed and I wasn't relaxed, bro.

I was nothing but relaxed.

Like I kept clenching forward.

And

my best category was going to be men's physique, in my opinion.

You know, my upper body is better than my whole physique, like in general.

So I was like, all right, men's physique is definitely going to be the best.

And I thought it was going to be like the Olympia.

You know, you start off by doing men's physique, then you do classic, then you do open, or like, you know, bodybuilding.

That's how I thought it was going to be.

But it was the opposite.

Bodybuilding at first, classic, and then we do men's physique.

I think it's like that for the Arnolds, too, right?

No, it's so weird, bro.

All the shows are different, but normally they have them on different days.

Like for the Arnold, for example, yesterday was Classic Physique.

Today was Men's Physique.

I think open pre-judging was last night, which is weird because normally everything's in the morning.

Yeah.

I think all the finals for those are two night.

Okay.

So, okay.

Yeah.

Actually, probably right now.

Yeah.

I think Greg is out there, but yeah, I just fucked it up and I was so tired for that category.

So I just like, I was, I was dead at that point.

Kept like flexing my chest forward and just make it look so much smaller.

Yeah.

Did they say that?

Did the judges say that to you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Greg told me that as well.

They're like, don't flex your chest forward during men's physique.

Yeah.

Bro, that happened to me.

Yeah.

Yeah, I was in first call outs for my first pro show and I was, I flexed my chest the entire time.

And then when I did back, I'm so dumb, I did a fucking lat spread instead of doing a men's physique back pose.

So I basically flattened my front and my back, and that was like literally the main, that was kind of the only feedback actually that the head judge and some of the side judges gave me.

They're like, literally, like, that was,

that was probably the worst thing about your physique that day.

So I guess I need to remember, like, in men's physique, they look for something so different now where they really want that full upper body, full arms, full chest, all in a very relaxed position.

Like, you're basically like, you need to look like you're just standing there without trying, right?

Yeah.

But then your abs are somehow just perfect.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got to look like you don't try, but you're, you're trying.

You're hurting.

You're trying to.

You're trying super hard.

Yeah.

You have to try harder to keep your chest unflexed, honestly.

Yeah.

Like if you don't have your hands on your hips.

Yeah.

Like.

I think keeping your hands off your hips is the easiest way to keep your chest unflexed.

But the moment like a hand goes on the hip, it's so much harder.

Yeah.

That's true.

That is true because I was doing it like this and this one was like fine right here.

but this left one was flexed right and also I was trying to flex my abs and then as I'm leaning forward my chest would just take over.

Yep.

But yeah, it is tough.

But I'll if I ever compete again, I'll keep that in mind.

If you felt like you could compete again but not lose any muscle,

what would you think about it?

Would you do it again?

Yeah, probably.

I would probably wait until I'm bigger.

I was like hopping on, say, with like people that were training for 13 years, 15 years.

I was only been, you know, it's been three now, maybe like two something when I actually did the show.

So I would probably wait like a couple of years.

I'm still putting on a lot of muscles, a lot of muscle.

I bulked for a couple months last year.

Like, I actually took it.

I wanted to bulk and take it serious.

But what I stopped because of social media.

But like, I bulked for two months and I put on, I think it was a total of like eight pounds

of total, total mass.

Total mass, but I was keeping it really clean, like a really small surplus.

Yeah.

And my bench went from 245 to i think it was 325 what yeah and in two months yeah are you serious yeah that's fair

that's crazy so it's probably like 345 now 365 my is my pr at my highest weight but then i just started losing fat again because you know i wanted to do videos how long ago was that when you did the whole bench pr thing it was a year ago a year ago no my pr was probably a couple months ago like six months ago but the the whole bulk and stuff was i think a bit more than a year ago it was last winter, but like at the beginning.

So November maybe.

Okay.

Yeah.

Sorry, guys, that this podcast is so like a dishumbled and shit.

My brain is coming everywhere right now.

ADHD is going wild after the expo.

But

did you play sports when you were younger?

I did.

Yeah.

A lot of sports.

Like I used to play soccer or football.

uh whatever you want to call it um basketball a lot handball was my thing bro handball yeah have you ever seen handball yeah it's like it's it's basically like like football So there's like a net, but it's with your hand.

So like you can dribble the ball, you jump, shoot in the net.

It's like five on five, I think, with the guilt goal.

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm familiar.

Yeah, that was my, my go-to.

I was in the team and everything, yeah.

That's dope.

Yeah.

Was there ever any like conditioning that you had to do for sports or any ever like any weight room that was introduced during sports?

I never took it that seriously.

Like in high school, I just stopped really doing much.

Like it was mainly like before, just just at the beginning of high school, but I stopped really playing sports unless like I was trying to have fun with friends.

So I never had that like conditioning or weightlifting needed.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

So your entire lifting journey was how long exactly?

In total?

Yeah.

Three years.

Three years.

Yeah, until today.

Until today.

Yeah.

Yeah, because I was familiar with seeing online like this two-year transformation and everyone's like, no, he's a liar.

He's fucking on steroids.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's when I first started posting.

I started posting like a year and a half ago.

Yeah.

So that was like a year and like in 18 months, I had a pretty, pretty decent physique.

I was definitely smaller than now.

I was probably like

165,

but around this leanness, maybe a bit more.

Now I'm like 20 pounds heavier.

But I, you know, I was showing the people my transformation and stuff.

And the first video that took off was just a workout.

I did like a tricep workout.

I was talking to TNF about it yesterday.

And like it took off.

It was like me putting the, you know, the muscle group group that it that it hits so like you know you're doing this for your tricep it's gonna hit the the long head or whatever

and then i look back at it like now and everything was wrong everything on that video in your video yeah no way i was just it's been a year and a half i was training i didn't know for sure bro but i just saw someone doing that video and i was like all right it must be true so i'll just do it online

you fucking copier

yeah no no i just saw like this exercise targets this i did some research on like this and it was like the long head i was like fuck you know i'll do it again.

I'll do the same thing.

I'll put that in mind, but I'll just do like my tricep instead of, and I'll record my own exercises.

And it was all wrong.

But then I kept doing it and I learned with time, obviously.

I knew a lot.

Wait, what exactly was wrong about it?

It was like, I was saying, like, you know, do that exercise and it's going to target that part, but it didn't target that part.

So I was just like, the exercise was good.

The form was good.

Would you remember which exercise and which part?

I would have to.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This, this is great.

So it was, it was a tricep, it was like a reverse grip tricep.

Okay.

And I said that it just targets the medial head, I think.

Okay.

Yeah.

And it was just bullshit.

Like, it targets like, you know, the lateral medial head, I think.

I'd have to like look and like a laguina tricep extension, but with your elbows tucked in.

Exactly.

Elbows tucked in, but reverse grip is reverse grip.

Yeah.

I was saying like this is just going to target your medial head.

It's not the long head.

Yeah, exactly.

Just your medial.

Okay.

That's fire.

I was getting flamed in the comments.

So that's why it popped off.

Yeah, it popped off.

Like, no, actually, people were using the workout.

And like, the whole workout together, I think is a good workout, but it's just the parts that I'm telling them that it hits.

It was just wrong.

It was just wrong.

Yeah.

And then I looked back and I was like, fuck, this looks bad.

I'll just take it off.

Just remove that video.

And I learned from it over time.

And TNF, I think when I first started doing videos, he had made a video on me, but then he recently watched the videos.

And he's like, oh, all right, this is true.

Now he learned.

So, so yeah, i just learned with time and uh i feel like being you know hanging out with greg and eric i learned a lot you know uh how to train and stuff and uh yeah i started doing coaching too and i just apply like what i do and what worked for me and but like that that was at the start when i first hired my first clients and it worked for some of them but then after a while like i've been coaching for a year and a half which is kind of crazy like i just had a year and a half of training and then i started but it's just everything is practice for me i just did it a long a long time and then my my clients were starting to see results and And I was like, all right, this worked for this guy.

It probably wouldn't work for me, but it might work for the next client.

And I kept learning.

And I remember, like, I kind of figured, all right, everybody's different.

You know, it's not going to work.

So, but yeah, that was it.

This may be a weird question, but do you feel like you are credible enough to coach or like you have like a right to coach?

That's a good question.

I would say anybody that can get results, in my opinion, should have the right to coach.

Like, obviously, like,

let's say like Mike Isratel is probably more qualified than I am, but probably charges a lot more than I do.

So, but yeah, I do get like really good results for my clients.

Obviously, you can't.

I don't know if, did you, did you coach before?

Have you ever coached?

I have coached in the past too.

Yeah, you probably know like not every client gets results because obviously it comes down to them doing the doing putting in the work.

Doing the work and then also having the genetics, of course.

Yeah, genetics plays a huge role, but obviously, everybody can improve.

When someone's not doing any changes, you know, it comes down to them, you know, putting in the work.

But yeah, I think, like I've got really good results for clients, so I think, yeah, as long as I can help people in some way,

why not?

Right.

Yeah, um, I think that's a decent outlook.

I'm not going to go too in specifics because people already know, understand what I feel about coaching, yeah, but it's like also when you're discussing like the natty realm, it's a little bit different from coaching the enhanced realm.

Enhanced realm, there's a lot more

comes into play on who's a good coach and whether or not they care about keeping you alive or not.

That is true.

Yeah, Most of my clients are natural though.

Yeah.

And I think that's why they come to me because they see like I did it.

And, you know, I focus really on, and also like, I feel like people that hop on gear just forget everything else.

Like, all right, I'm on gear now.

You know, my Dutch isn't as important.

And I think that's not the way to go about it.

So, yeah, but like, I really focus on the basics because I don't have that other thing that they can take or like do.

And yeah, this is mainly why they get like the results.

I think there is a lot of people that hop on gear and use it as a band-aid for sure.

But I am a proponent of believing that there's also a lot of people I know that

have not changed their training or diet styles when they hop on gear versus off.

They just either like

are

diligent and consistent like 80% of the time or they're not bodybuilding at all, if that makes sense.

What do you mean?

Like there's like a level of comfort that people have with how much they're they're like committing to the life of bodybuilding it's very interesting yeah like some people they'll do all the meal plans five six seven meals a day they'll pre they'll prepare it in like boxes they'll go to training two hours a day do cardio every single day or whatever is needed then there's people that will like follow their macros yeah sometimes they'll like they'll always meet their macros but sometimes they'll eat off plan a little bit yeah um And then sometimes there's people that are okay skipping a gym sesh once a week, at least.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

But they maintain it like that, no matter what.

It's like, if that fits their lifestyle, that's how they're going to, that's how they're going to work, or that's how they're going to train, or that's how they're going to diet.

So I don't, I guess

I

think that

there's a lot of people that do oops sorry, there's a lot of people out there that do take gear, but I'm so used to being in the realm of people that are

like taking gear for the purpose of becoming Mr.

Olympia someday or for people that are so committed into bodybuilding that it's almost on the opposite end of the the spectrum

that they are so extreme in everything they do bodybuilding

that

they have no choice to take gear because they're all their competitors are on gear too so it's like the opposite of a band-aid now it's like

Now there's no band-aid.

Now it's like the only way for them to overcompensate because everyone's taking the same gear too

is to

eat the perfect foods get the perfect coach learn all the information

train super fucking hard realize they're training too hard pull back and deload you know create the perfect program it's like crazy it's like to a point where like when you're really trying to train for olympia it's like everything has to be perfect and perfect doesn't mean training harder yeah perfect doesn't mean

being the one that goes the hardest.

It always means like being the person that does it the smartest.

Yeah.

Always.

Yeah.

In bodybuilding.

It's just weird.

So that was kind of off-the-ancer.

But

yeah, I just realized that there's a lot that comes to bodybuilding when stress is involved and it affects our bodies so drastically.

So the reason I was bringing all this up into your freaking past about sports and stuff and going on this wild tangent is

i um

i've been wondering do you feel like you'd be able to do a proper reverse or even do like some sort of rebound if you competed again instead of eating 12 000 calories per day yeah yeah i think i definitely could i think it's just a matter of I'm kind of relying on my genetics a bit too much.

Sometimes I feel like exactly like the gear argument, like, you know, I'm taking gear so I can just eat whatever.

And I know I can like gain it back, but I think I had to go through it to actually learn, all right, this is not the way to do it.

And next time that I do it, I'm probably going to do it, right?

So it's just a matter of just doing it.

And now I know how much of a difference it would make.

Like just like Eric just did, like taking it clean even after the show, just eating the same foods, but in bigger quantities to actually just get back to where you were.

So yeah, I could definitely do it again.

But yeah, I don't think, honestly, I don't think I'm going to compete again.

Maybe in like three years if I like put on a lot of size.

But like the whole process, especially naturally, I think you're kind of bound to lose muscle if you're like dieting down to yeah, you are, yeah, for sure.

So, it doesn't really make sense if I don't have that passion for it.

That makes sense, yeah, yeah.

I think it is probably more so in what I'm about to say is more so in the enhanced realm, but uh, people do, I think there is an opportunity for like a rebound after a show, yeah, right?

Like, I'm sure you've heard that, like, your body is well, I'm sure you've experienced yourself that your body is so

much,

it's just there's this much higher capability of absorbing the nutrients that you're consuming yeah um whether or not it's towards fat or muscle yeah um but uh

i feel like even for naturals though i do believe that there there's still this like area or this period of time after a show where you lose a lot of muscle but if you do it the right way where you reverse but maybe even reverse a little quickly in a way where you're really feeling that you're utilizing all the carbohydrates the fats whatever you're consuming for each workout and your recovery recovery afterwards, that you will build the muscle back really, really fast and potentially be able to build some extra on top of that.

I believe that genome.

But I mean, you know, that actually requires some fucking insane restraint.

Yeah, it all comes down to knowledge at the end.

Like, if you know how to do it, you can definitely do it.

Yeah.

And I think that's for everything.

Like, as long as, and exactly like you said for a year, you know, if you know about it, you're going to be able to like do it right.

If I knew about how I would look like if I fucking ate that crumble or ate that burger, I would probably would not have done it.

So, yeah, it's all knowledge.

Did you fill out, though, afterwards?

I more than filled out.

I was massive.

I put on like 20 pounds in, I think it was three days after the show.

So I went from like 165 to 185.

Yeah.

And then I put on another maybe like five or six pounds on the way home.

Like, you know, once I got to Montreal.

from LA to Montreal after the Jubilee video, I weighed myself again.

I was like 191.

That was the highest I was.

So then I was like, all right, I need to take it easy.

Jubilee video was immediately after the show, though, right?

The day after.

The day after.

The day after, yeah.

Okay, so you're already in the process of like eating some food.

I came to my Airbnb and I ordered

Crumble and Taco Bell.

Fire.

Yeah, same day.

It's exactly what we would have gone.

We're very big Taco Bell advocates.

Yeah.

You like Taco Bell?

Oh, yeah.

I just have to, I have to swallow packages of lockade.

I saw your mess, uh, your comment on my video that I look like a

Daco Bell diet.

That was funny, bro.

But you look amazing, man.

Thank you, bro.

You really do, bro.

Like, um, I think I was gonna ask you this question.

I was talking to Eric yesterday about like bodybuilding and stuff, and he told me, like, obviously, you went through it, like, hopping, you know, going from natural to hopping on gear.

Do you think I could like go far into bodybuilding if I was to hop on?

Yeah, yeah, how far would you say?

Um,

I don't think, I think that's really hard.

I'm just, this is purely 1,000% speculation because there's no way that I'll ever be able to know how far someone goes in five years, especially on how they can respond to gear, right?

Because the genetic

varies greatly.

But I did say Keon would be Mr.

Olympia someday, and uh, you got it.

I also

called some, I called some things that happened.

I'm just saying, there's a few things that I called, but

dude, I think it's probably, I mean, I think it's fucking insane that you have this physique after just three years of training, not to mention the entire time you weren't bulking, you know, like you were trying to stay lean for social media.

And when I was trying to stay lean at a certain part, it felt almost impossible to gain any more mass.

So that, first off, is kind of crazy.

I don't know how you're going to respond to PEDs.

That's probably the biggest thing that

dictates how far you can go.

Because if you start taking PEDs, but you have the genetics, for example,

you have high levels of diabetes or

cardiovascular disease that runs through your family, or you have renal failure that runs through your family.

You just have any of these

situations and genetic predispositions and you take gear and it's easy for your blood work to go to shit.

Yeah.

That's going to be the main dictator that, like, this guy isn't cut out for bodybuilding and he should not do it.

Right.

But I think that's kind of rare.

I mean, it's not rare because there is a lot of genetic predispositions, but

normally what we see, though, is it's really just the mega doses that fuck people up.

Yeah.

Like mega doses that are run for years on end that fuck people up, but

You could probably talk to many people that you know that are even around your age or many even like friends that you know that are probably run gear and they've like run gear and they've been fine and like they don't even run gear anymore and it's like almost a it's crazy to see how much of a casual thing it is when you like start talking to people that

aren't really open about it or you know don't talk about it publicly yeah like it's actually a lot more common than it seems so I think people there's this perception that you take a little bit of gear and you're going to die soon.

And it's just not true.

But I think the biggest thing about your physique and your genetics is like how you look at like 165.

And that's kind of nuts to me because you're six foot, right?

Yeah.

5'11'6.

I got measured for my, I put on the show like, yeah, you know, for classic, you have to put your height.

Yeah.

But six foot plus.

And they measured me when I was 5'11 and a half.

So they brought me down to the thing without shoes.

So yeah, 5'11 and a half.

Yeah.

Nice.

What was the division again that you competed in?

It's called King Kong Classic.

King Kong Classic.

Yeah, that was in Toronto.

Okay.

Yeah, that's the name of the show.

Yeah.

What was the

association?

I have no idea, to be honest.

I love it.

Like I said, bro, I just saw the show.

Greg sent me a few screenshots.

You could do this one.

I was like, all right, bet, let's do it.

So I know nothing about it, bro.

I just showed up, went on stage, flexed for an hour and 40 minutes, and took the medals and went to the Jubilee shoot.

Yeah, yeah, but I'll have to check.

I think it's the

what's it called, like the Canadian something

NCA, I think

National Canadian Association or something, or okay, yeah, something, something like that, yeah, okay, yeah.

Well, I think if I'm reading this right, yeah,

this does not look right.

What is it?

Oh,

okay, this was in the past.

Um,

So 5006.

So you would probably be,

it's probably changed now, but you're probably somewhere around 217 pounds for your weight cap.

Yeah, yeah.

So think about you now at 165.

Put on 50 pounds.

That would be you in pro classic physique of the IFPB.

I think 50 pounds in your physique would be fucking insane.

So

if you had some kind of, if you had some decent drug tolerance, I think you could fucking go extremely far yeah extremely far yeah i've seen sam sullick you know once you go pro you can add 10 pounds onto it right so he was supposed he was like he had to be 217 yeah to compete so yeah 50 pounds would be and more than 50 yeah yeah yeah 50 yeah actually yeah i was 165 so 50 on top bro that would be that would be crazy that'd be crazy yeah what do you think about sam sullek and uh eric what do you think about sam sullek's win and samic placement at the show uh amazing i think it well sam Sam did amazing.

He looked great.

I was there to watch it.

He did.

Oh, tell me about what you saw because I know the guy who he competed next to, Billy.

And Billy told me himself because I was like, whoa, Billy is a large guy.

And I'm fucking shocked that,

well, I'm not too shocked because after seeing the picture, Sam looked way better, in my opinion, than his previous show.

And his legs, his definition of his legs was

just prominently different.

I think Billy was like, actually, I think legs, Sam's legs were just so much better than mine upstage.

Like, the pictures don't really show justice, but Sam honestly looked a lot better than me in that sense.

Yeah.

But what do you feel like seeing it live and in person?

Yeah, it was it was good.

Like obviously, like the and and we we had the cameras to the left, like we had screens and then there's the actual stage.

And on stage, it doesn't make you know, the camera don't do justice to the people on stage.

Yeah.

But I obviously,

that's for, you know, all of the people on stage.

So I can't say like Sam was at a disadvantage or all in front of the camera.

But he looked great.

He looked definitely bigger and the legs, especially like he has fuller legs.

Uh, the structure, I think, is better.

He has, I feel like he looks well, he obviously is heavier than them.

I think they were, they were shorter, right?

Um, I don't really know, yeah, okay, but but he looked he looked like he deserved the win, in my opinion.

Okay, uh, I wouldn't say it wasn't close, it was definitely close.

Uh, is your friend which one was it?

Like, there was an Asian guy and Billy is the white guy that was next to him, the white guy on it was to his right if you're facing the stage, okay?

Yeah, so I think he was one of the taller guys or seemingly taller are you talking about the overall or like the the open class um

though it was just the main pictures that were on instagram so i don't even know if it was open or overall which is fucking sad okay but i think yeah i think it's you're talking about the open okay and yeah i think it wasn't it wasn't a question in the open no but it was overall okay okay overall there was like the two guys next to him and you know you can debate with the two guys yeah it was like him and two other guys but what did they look like uh there was so there was one asian guy asian guy and and the other guy was a black dude okay yeah okay that was for the overall and looking at it like the the black dude had a smaller waist but that was pretty much it to be honest like everything else he looked bigger the legs were were obviously bigger and he kind of like figured out how to flex them without like

up the definition yeah uh so yeah he definitely deserved it he did amazing wow that's awesome yeah and now eric Now Eric, if you want to talk about Eric, in my opinion, he should have won, to be honest.

Like the guy he won up again.

Did you see it?

No, Eric just told me himself and showed me pictures.

And I think maybe Eric was just being humble.

Yeah.

I'll tell you after that.

Probably he was, yeah.

But like, in my opinion, I don't know how much, how they judge this, like the shows.

I don't know if the front relaxed and like the front poses count more, like whatever.

But like in my opinion, he won every pose from the side.

So the side, you know, side triceps, side chest, and everything from the back.

So like,

yeah, like the,

you know, the

back double by,

the the lat spread so in my opinion and also the front lat spread i feel like he he won that pose it's just like the front relaxed that guy had like such a small waist which made it was just beautiful to see he looked he looked amazing nothing against him obviously um but in my opinion like if we were just counting the number of poses eric won i think he should have won the show i see what you're saying okay um what eric told me is that the other guy was just bigger everywhere um even though eric came in what he believes to be more conditioned.

And then he also talked about the guy's waist too being super small from the front.

So I'm wondering, like, did you feel like you saw that difference in conditioning?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.

Yeah, Eric, Eric was really, like, really conditioned, but I wouldn't say he had more, but because from the back, like, if you go back and watch, like, Eric definitely had more muscle.

Oh, from the back.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, no question.

No question.

You can go watch the video.

You'll see Eric is definitely trying to be humble.

Okay.

From the back, it wasn't a question.

But I think the fact that he had a smaller waist made him look just so much more impressive from the front.

But yeah, the fact that he has a small waist, and you can go watch it.

I'm pretty sure the guy would even say that Eric beat him from the back.

But the fact that Eric doesn't have that small waist, but he still beat him from the back is more impressive, in my opinion.

Yeah, no shots towards the guy.

I don't know him, but

yeah.

Bodybuilding is weird.

And that's why I don't like it.

That's why we like it.

Yeah.

No, my guy, poor Eric, bro, he's been drawing so hard for fucking years.

And if he would have won, like that show, it was obviously like the overall after.

And the guy that won, like the black dude against Eric, he destroyed everyone else.

The overall.

Yeah, yeah.

It wasn't a question.

It wasn't a question.

So if Eric would have won, he would have won pro.

It's over.

Is it only overall?

Yeah.

The Arnold Classic?

Yeah, overall against the pro card.

Yeah.

Okay.

I think they gave two of them for men's physique because there were so many people up there.

So

first and second place, I think, on the overall

got the pro card.

Yeah.

If I'm not saying, I think that's what Eric told me.

But the other ones, it was just the overall.

So Sam and that guy, yeah.

Eric is always so close.

He's always one place away.

Second place, not.

And his cameraman was telling him, like,

this time you're not getting second.

You're either getting shit on or you're getting first place.

And he jinxed it.

He got second care.

That was shit.

Well, my favorite part about this entire thing was I was there watching, I was there with Eric.

I hope this is okay that I say this.

Maybe this shouldn't be public information, but I was there with Eric when he kind of started the beginning of his so-called prep and stuff.

But the mindset that he went about this entire thing was so different for him and so cool.

And I think so beneficial for not only him, but his family and his entire lifestyle that I think it just relieved so much stress off of him that made this entire process easier.

And that includes like how he ate, how he went about

his intention for this show, and also even the gear intake was significantly lower for him.

Um,

and apparently, I guess, according to the judges, they like this look, yeah, potentially even better than the last one.

Yeah, that's what I told him.

Yeah, I think that's a huge sign because it's so this is something I've discussed on my podcast with many

experts, many very accomplished coaches and many pros

is

this concept of lowering allostatic load.

And that's your total stress on the body, whether it's physical, mental, or even like oxidative stress from things like PEDs and drug use.

So, you know, you're lowering, you don't have to take, I guess what this means at the end is if you're enhanced, you don't have to take all of these drugs.

Sometimes you can take a lower box of drugs or whatever before your stage, right?

What is actually going to bring you the look that you, the defined look that you want is

more so your conditioning, more so how lean you get, right?

Then, you know, the drugs will help with fullness to an extent.

And then, for both naturals and enhanced guys, for all the bodybuilding, total level of stress that you're inducing on yourself, you know, yeah, um,

just how much cardio you're doing every day.

Are you having relationship problems?

How much are you starving that's causing you not to sleep properly at night?

Um,

is this entire like lifestyle that you're doing causing you problems at work, causing you problems, making enough money?

Like, it's just like, you know, there's so many different factors to think about.

Yeah.

But apparently, you know,

I'm sure it affects the way that you perform in any other sport, but it's kind of crazy just how much it affects how you look.

Yeah, it is.

It is.

It was his best look so far from what he said.

And I think the fact that he didn't, like, I think he told you, he told me, and I think he told Greg before doing it.

I'm not sure again if I could say this as well, but he told me, almost told nobody about the fact that he was going to do the show.

And I think that helped him a lot with that.

Because if people know you're on prep, they're going to be careful or treat you differently, maybe.

And also you have that expectation of the content he has to produce or the comments he's getting.

Or, you know, maybe if,

you know.

like he let's say he has like a bad mood people say oh it's because you're on prep you know but the fact that he just kept it silent didn't they say anything and was just like working towards that goal he didn't have those exterior things happening yeah and it really helped him with the way he looked on stage yeah

i've been thinking about that actually for a long time like whether or not i want to announce my shows yeah i've been thinking about this for like years man even since i first started competing if i should just yeah keep it quiet try it

i think it helps a lot man it fucking sucks i think it helps a lot yeah yeah did you uh you were announcing though right yeah

yeah like five weeks out three weeks out yeah i did a video with greg when we first like decided to do it it was like i think six weeks out or eight we did a body fat percentage test i was like yeah eight weeks out and i was like seven percent body fat and yeah we we did like a whole thing leading up to it i mainly did it for content to be honest but then i was like i'm i'm so close to the show but i don't have any energy energy now like i don't want to do content anymore so that's the the bad thing uh so i yeah i i kind of didn't prepare it the right way but it was definitely just for content you know i didn't even if let's say i won all the shows I could have, I actually, I could have went to the Nationals after.

It was top three

in the Open class.

I got it for a classic, I think, and also for,

I don't know if I got it for bodybuilding, for men's physique, but I got it for classic.

I could have went to the Nationals after the like natural pro, whatever, the Ben Wader, I think it's called.

But I was like, I don't want to do this.

And I was fucking 20 pounds already in four days.

I just forgot about it.

What do you feel like is giving you the most anxiety in your journey and your competitive journey too?

Journey about like Instagram and everything.

Yeah.

So your entire Instagram journey, social media, bodybuilding.

Yeah, good question.

I would say it's

just improving.

I wouldn't say like I'm a bodybuilder.

Like, obviously, I did, I did a show and everything, but I don't take it too seriously.

My goal is just to grow things.

That's why I don't really have, you know, I'm partnered with HTLT I'm doing my own clothing brand I do I like to do my own things so I think the thing that brings me the most anxiety is just performing and and just doing stuff right and I think it's a good thing because it keeps me it just keeps me like

busy with with stuff like I just have to just work so I think it's that and also one thing that I feel like is is kind of it kind of sucks is like i'm achieving all these things you know i'm i'm i'm making money I'm have the theme, I got the physique, whatever, but I'm not really too happy about it.

Does that make sense?

So, I think that also brings like a bit of anxiety.

I don't know if it makes me happy, but I still do it.

I'm just like used to doing it, so I keep doing it

instead of like being in a moment and actually enjoying the stuff that I do.

I don't know how to explain exactly, but

I feel like I just need to find something that makes me happy and just like keep doing what I'm doing, but also having that.

Honestly, I don't think the goal is to be happy now now that i actually think about it

yeah yeah i have yeah i don't think the goal is to be happy what brings me happiness is staying busy all right so like doing stuff and building stuff sounds like a real man bro yeah

i try to but yeah i don't know like

like i'm just sitting for example i was talking this to brody yesterday i hadn't i had a ball with him i'm just like sitting down in my bed i'm like i have all these things but i do i really care like i have the car i have the fame whatever so it brings me a lot of anxiety, but I feel like just staying busy keeps me just, I don't think about it too much.

Yeah,

I gotta find something that makes me that brings me peace or something.

Yeah, I mean, you kind of already answered this question, yeah,

in a way,

I guess, maybe not too specifically, but why do you feel like it doesn't make you happy?

Why it doesn't make me happy, yeah.

I wouldn't say doesn't make me like it's specifically doesn't make me happy, but

it doesn't like make me sad.

Obviously, like, you know, making money doesn't make me sad, but it's just it doesn't really mean much for me.

You know, like making a million, making three million.

Like, there's not much difference between them if your life doesn't really change.

So, I wouldn't say, like, it brings me.

I bet it'll make you feel more meaningful if you gave some of it to me.

I got you.

I'll send the wire after.

But, yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe that's the thing.

I need to give back.

I definitely enjoy the coaching.

Like, I enjoy getting people results.

But

I don't know.

I feel like I'm just too young now to

think about being...

Maybe that's the wrong way to think.

But I'm kind of too young.

I'm still building stuff.

So I don't really need to be thinking about being happy for now.

Maybe that's a weird way to see it, but I feel like I could just enjoy my life after and now just focusing on work and building so I can be happy after.

Do you feel like you have any goals?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, what are they?

I definitely want to retire my parents, which I'm probably going to do soon.

That's one thing I want to do.

Soon?

Yeah.

Oh, shit.

Oh, that's fucking epic.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I'm working towards it.

That's that's a goal.

And just building a lot of stuff.

So like the clothing brand that I'm working on.

I'm getting, I don't know if I can, yeah, it's probably going to be out by then.

When are you releasing this?

I am not sure yet.

Okay, well, I'll just say regardless.

I'm having Greg, he's going to be working with me for the clothing brand and Eric as well.

So they're going to be with me just to, you know, grow this out and build something that is.

Oh, yeah, that's awesome, bro.

Yeah.

Two very good people to have behind you, especially when it comes to business.

Yeah.

And that's the main message of the brand, actually.

Like, you know, you keep working.

Like, we want to make it, it's called momentous.

So moment and us at the end.

So obviously, like, I keep chasing chasing these things and like I want to build more and get more and more money, more followers, whatever, but I don't really enjoy it.

So the goal of the brand and the message that I want to push and we want to push with Eric and Greg is you need to be in the moment as well and enjoy.

So moment us, you know, being in the moment and actually like enjoying, obviously go for more, but keep in mind, you know, you need to be enjoying it to be able to do it for a while.

Gotcha.

So that's the main message.

But yeah, I think it's building stuff.

you know that's my goal as well like having something that i'm really proud of and that can you know obviously keep me comfortable and my family comfortable as well.

And also staying close to God as much as possible as I'm building that success.

Yeah.

I think that I think you have a really awesome perspective for someone that's 22 years old, honestly.

I haven't really heard very many people

around your age that I feel like I can really relate to and connect to in terms of

a multitude of things related to like fulfillment and

about like our purposes in life and what we're doing.

I had a great podcast with Jack Eagles and he's I think 22 years old too.

He's a very up-and-coming classic IFPB pro.

That kid is also a great example, I think.

But

it's hard for me to say anything on this because I think everyone moves moves at their own pace, right?

We see people that

we see people like you guys in your very early 20s who are already making such an amazing living,

trying to

do things in your life, such as like stay close to God or like even focus on your own family, whether or not that's your future family or your current family, your current parents.

I think these are all

pretty,

I think, laudable and monumentous things

that many of us see as goals in our lives.

And then we also see people that are like still in their 30s and the biggest goal is to see how many girls that they can become the next weekend.

Yeah.

And they're all like, it's all fine.

Like, I don't, I don't want to judge any of it.

I've been in all of the places for sure.

But

do you feel like maybe there's also

like you haven't found a consistent thing in your work that is currently bringing you fulfillment does that make sense yeah yeah yeah and i would say so yeah i don't think i think i keep doing different things which is maybe why i'm not like finding that thing that is actually make me happy yeah but or like fulfilled But when I see people, like, for example, that, you know, we had the young Galish stuff and like the Arnold, I see people like coming up to me and saying, you know, it changed my life.

You know, I can't use your workouts and, you know, I'm doing amazing, whatever.

And also, I'm just getting started too.

I've only been doing this for like a year and a half, the videos and everything.

And I'm trying to build onto it as well.

Yeah.

I have faith for, I know it's just going to get better, hopefully, you know, if I keep, if I stay on this path.

But yeah, I think I kind of like keep, I'm.

just new to it and everything is moving so fast so maybe that's why i don't feel like i found that thing that is making me fulfilled or keeping me like

just like

kind of found my purpose yet,

but

I know I yeah, I know I'm young and obviously like I've spoken to a lot of people and some people are like double my age and they still haven't found that thing.

So I'm not too stressed about it.

I feel like if I just keep moving regardless of how I feel and just work towards the things that I know are important maybe by like religion or

or

you know things that kind of matter to me, I think I'll be fine in that.

Like, you know, I can always go, I can always figure out that, you know, when I'm

set, if that makes sense, you know?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah.

So

I think that

I feel like,

obviously, like you said, there's going to be so much time for you to find that purpose.

And I'm sure that you will because you're so fucking young, bro.

You've achieved so much already.

But I mean, this can come at any time.

For me personally, I remember when I was younger and I was blowing up on social media, kind of like when you mentioned when you saw my reels and stuff before.

Yeah.

That was, that was giving me a lot of joy and I was feeling a lot of dopamine from that shit.

And when I would have people come up to me and say like, oh my God, dude, we love your physique.

Like it's inspired us to lose weight.

That would bring me feelings of fulfillment that were really amazing.

Right.

But all of that was pretty short-lived.

Yeah.

You know, at a certain point, you know, you grow so much, especially in like the social media era, but at a certain point, that growth normally comes to a halt or a plateau of some sort.

And at that point, there's a lot of users, a lot of creators that have to accept and remember or realize that that dopamine rush or those feelings of growth do not last forever.

And unfortunately, in social media, sometimes it's uncontrollable of whenever it stops.

Yeah.

Right.

Like you can continuously work hard, but sometimes,

you know, the algorithm doesn't respond for you.

People don't want to see your content anymore.

Something happens.

And I realized that that feeling of joy that I got was, of course, simply the validation that

my work has been seen.

Yeah.

That my hard work has been.

acknowledged.

Now, whenever I would get people telling me that they were inspired to lose like 80 pounds or like it helped change their life, that was very fulfilling to me to an extent.

But it got to the certain point where I just realized, like, man, I don't like, I'm happy that I get to help people,

but it, I don't really feel truly fulfilled in just being this physique that people like, you know?

Like, I appreciate that you guys felt inspired by this, but I really don't even understand how,

you know, I'm just this fucking, I'm just this body,

this topless body that you're inspired by, I guess.

And

I love that you made the change, but I don't feel like I had contributed enough.

Yeah.

If that makes sense.

Yeah.

I still think that there's going to be so much more in life where I want to find fulfillment,

such as when I finally create and have my own family someday.

I think that's one of my next biggest goals.

I think I'm getting to that age.

I Think even though I don't make even though I'm not making that much money and I'm nowhere close to being able to retire my parents, even though that's something I would like to do someday.

I think I've been blessed to find a lot of fulfillment through this podcast.

And I think that's because I can talk to others.

I think that's because I can connect to others.

I think that's because through this podcast, I'm continuously building relationships.

I'm continuously connecting with other people that have had the same problems and issues.

I actually started going to therapy recently too, and I found that same fulfillment in therapy as I have on the podcast, where I connect with people through the problems that we've experienced, the pain we've experienced, things that we want to solve, whether or not it's emotional, physical, or even just bodybuilding and competing related.

I've noticed that this is just an area where I think

I've kind of almost felt like I found my purpose.

And that's why to this day, I just want to thank my audience for being here.

Yeah.

Because I think I would feel a lot more lost if I didn't have them and if I didn't have this platform.

Yeah.

So

finding our purpose and fulfillment is weird, bro.

I don't know.

But I think just like you said, I think that giving back, that feeling of giving back is always going to be the thing that potentially makes us feel the most fulfilled.

Yeah.

Whether or not it's the people or whether or not it's the God, you know, whatever.

Yeah.

No, I definitely agree.

i think the that's the thing i think most people should do is like to live more in the moment i'm i'm probably like the last person that actually applies this which is why i want to like actually push that message because i i've you know kind of started doing it recently and i feel like it definitely helps like you know obviously you have these goals and everything but once you reach them you don't really feel any better so it's really good to like actually enjoy you know the moment and actually look back i never thought i would be here like you know a year ago or a year and a half ago

but I'm still not happy, if that makes sense.

So I'm like, all right, it's not getting there that's making me happy.

So what, what should I focus on then?

And now it only makes sense to just focus on being here, if that makes sense.

It's kind of, it is kind of weird.

But yeah, I agree.

Like the way I think I see life now, and like we were talking about depression yesterday with

Luke and Brody.

And I don't really believe in it.

I don't know.

Actually, I think you are.

I think, I think, because

I told Brody that he told me something about it, but I maybe fucked it up.

Like, are you someone that believes in depression?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Because I told him yesterday that I don't believe in it.

Okay.

So that I think, I think, yeah, that was you on the Jubilee thing.

When we did the video, I think depression came up and you talked about it.

Yeah, I think I mixed you guys up.

But yeah, it was, I was just saying I don't really believe in depression specifically for me because for me, like, let's say I feel depressed in some sense, I would just see see it as life telling me that I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing to be quote unquote happy.

So, this is why I don't really believe in depression because if I give it that label, it means like, all right, I really can't do anything about it.

But if I just see it, if I just see it like as life telling me, like, all right, you should be doing this instead, but you know, you're not doing it, that's why you're feeling this way, I would do the stuff that I need to be doing to not feel that way.

You know what I mean?

I see what you're saying.

Yeah.

Kind of using the power of semantics to your own.

Yeah, exactly i feel like the giving it a meaning it gives it just it gives like power to the word okay over you and i don't like that so i just say like it doesn't exist and so what would you say then if we were talking about depression in regards to other people

i would give them the advice that works for me

like you know why do you feel that way and then they would give me like all the reasons why and i would like to say what could you do maybe to not feel that way

and there you go you're not depressed you're just not doing that thing oh man

it is it is kind of insensitive but that's how i see it

oh man

okay so like

hypothetically if we were to pull you out of this body yeah if you were to pull you out from this focus on

on providing you with the right beliefs to propel yourself forward and we were going to talk about someone else that was diagnosed with depression okay would you believe that that depression does not exist?

Could you repeat that?

Just so.

So if you were like not in this body, we weren't focused on propelling yourself forward with your definition of, I guess, depression or whatever.

We were just talking about someone else.

Yeah.

Third-person view.

Yeah.

Talking about discussing someone else.

Yeah.

Would you believe that if they were diagnosed with depression,

does their depression like not exist?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It doesn't exist, in my opinion.

Okay.

Yeah.

For the exact reason I said, I don't, I don't think like it's, it's just a me thing.

I just didn't think in general.

And, and, like,

it just makes sense in my opinion.

Like, if, if you're feeling a specific way and it's actually obviously has to be something you can like control, you know, I, and it's always something you can control.

Like, you know, you're not born depressed or like you're not actually

now that I think it's unless it's like a medical thing.

You know what I mean?

So like.

There's the PEDs obviously that could come into play.

That's mainly what we were talking about yesterday and like it came up like, you know, you you have these mood swings and you can't really do much about it unless like stopping.

But yeah, like, I feel like if there's something you can do about it and there's a specific reasons and like specific reason why you're feeling this way,

you could be doing something else to not feel that way.

If that makes sense.

So like, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

This is where I'm glad that you said that at the end.

Yeah.

Cause

obviously, of course, I disagree with your point to an extent.

I do believe that it is a cool thing to say like depression does not exist.

I have control over this.

I could propel myself forward.

I think that's a very strong way to go about a situation like that.

But as you said,

maybe if it's medical,

I think

there are a lot of people that have probably experienced a state of their body, their mind that potentially you might not have ever experienced.

And this is a state of no matter what you are doing, no matter how hard you try, you cannot move.

You can't go forward.

And the entire world is no longer looking like what it used to.

Okay.

Have you ever been in that state?

I have been in this state once.

Okay.

I was able to control it at the end because I ended up sticking myself with a needle ticking TRT.

Okay.

But you go.

There you go.

Now you got control of it, right?

But of course, there's a lot of people who are not in that,

that do not have that accessibility or that opportunity.

And depression can incur people from a multitude of different ways, you know, regardless of whether or not they are a diagnosis or not.

And

this could be from guys from low testosterone level, which nowadays

I think there's a lot more methods to kind of get out of that, right?

But

I think there's also many, many women that experience levels of depression that cannot

escape it.

There are.

Yeah.

And some people can go to therapy and helps.

But sometimes there's certain things in like sometimes

people have a different body chemistry, bro.

It's so weird.

Like if you ever look up, if you ever get like a

a um

if you ever get like um

say get like several

packages of raw data from different

like different sources,

different clients or whatever, and you just analyze the raw data of their genetics,

it will blow your mind how many differences, differences and percentages

that there are of their genetic potential for certain diseases.

And I'm trying to figure out a way to simplify this,

but

people don't realize how different we are, I think, unless they're maybe in the, I don't know, maybe if they're in the medical field,

it's a lot harder for people to realize just how different we are on the inside as well.

And it's so drastic that, like,

even your even your personality a lot of times is

very nature,

is

from your family, you know.

I'm trying to not go down a rabbit hole because this is probably

getting annoying.

Basically,

there's a lot of diagnoses that a lot of women can also experience through fluctuations of their hormones or an imbalance in proper hormones or something going on with their body chemistry that's not even hormone related, whether it's mental or not, where they almost feel like they require an SSRI because there's no other option, which sucks because I don't think SSRI should ever be a solution.

So we got to have some kind of solution out there.

But of course, there's some of these people that just cannot get out of the depression no matter what they do.

And that sucks.

And I think that's what depression is, is when you're in a place that when you try to move forward, like you can't move forward, right?

Like you don't have control over being able to move forward.

I think that's the definition of depression.

If someone is really upset and they feel like unmotivated, but they have the power to change that, I feel like I wouldn't necessarily call that depression as much as the other states, if that makes sense.

I see what you mean.

So, like, if they're not able to move forward, you would see it as depression.

Yeah, but obviously, we like to, you know, on a daily basis, we like to just say we're depressed and shit like that.

Or we like to say we have fucking trauma when

we're not.

Yeah.

I obviously like haven't seen all cases, but I'm just trying to figure out, like, in what case would you not be able to move forward?

And also, it brought to mind, like,

the way you feel is all like relative.

And, like, let's say, for example, I'm, I get to like be, I become a,

I become like someone with a lot of money.

All right.

Like, I have a lot of money.

I get married.

I, uh,

I get kids, for example.

You know, I'm really happy.

Or, like, you know what?

I'm just feeling normal.

Let's call it normal because, you know, I'm used to it.

I'm used to having this money.

I'm used to having this wife.

I'm used to having everything.

And then I'll lose them.

I would, you know, and I get depressed.

It's kind of relative.

The reason is because I was, you know, in that position before, but then I built that, like, let's call it dopamine.

You know, I got to that level where like, I'm happy.

This brings me like happiness and it becomes normal.

But then that drop makes me depressed.

You know what I mean?

So it's all relative, in my opinion, the way you feel.

Like, if let's say I make a million dollars today, but I lose it tomorrow, I'm going to be depressed tomorrow.

That's something that's situational.

Yeah.

And this is something that I would say, for example, one solution or one of the first steps that someone could go to is is like go to therapy right

um and this is a mental thing that someone can work through right but when we're discussing like what i was discussing before is when it's not situational yeah it's something that you're born with for example it's something that happens when you become 13 years old out of nowhere and do you have like an example

i have a few but i don't want to talk about these people because i know them personally if that makes sense okay i see what you mean is it like can you say without like telling or like just give me an example without like giving someone in specific i'm fucking trying to man but it's hard it's like also saying like

like if someone has autism they have autism they can't get out of having autism you know what i mean yeah but does that make them depressed no no this is completely

oh but i hope you don't get canceled no it is this is completely unrelated yeah i'm just making analogies okay like um

Like just sometimes some people have something and there is no explanation for it.

It's not because it's mental or it can be changed.

It's just, it's how it is, right?

So

my friends, my friends, I was staying with my ex and my friend Melody.

They were staying at my place during COVID.

This is when my testosterone had dropped below 300.

Okay.

And I was feeling like shit.

And they would be like, Niall, I think you should work on your mental health.

Niall, I think you should go to therapy.

And bro, that shit flipped me off because I'm like, no, I feel different on the inside.

This time, this is not a situational thing.

I've been someone that can crawl myself out of holes mentally.

This is not a hole I can crawl myself out of.

I feel wrong.

Things are wrong with me.

It ended up being,

it ended up being like the symptoms of like, you know, ED and like

lack of motivation, all this stuff.

It ended up not being something from my mind.

It ended up being something for my hormones.

Right.

Yeah.

And then,

man, this is a hard one.

Yeah.

I think all I'm trying to say.

this is hard after a walking expo day, bro.

It's cool, bro.

Um, basically, just uh,

some people have certain situations that they cannot control and they just have different genetics for it.

Yeah, so even if you're talking about PEDs, for example, like some people aromatize drastically more than others, like for me, I have to take like 600 tests, 500 primo for an example,

where where that gives me a baseline of estrogen that puts me in a good range and makes me feel good.

While some other people have to take like 200 tests and 1,200 Primo.

Primo lowers your estrogen drastically.

So that just shows that these people just genetically have a much higher level of aromatase conversion.

They have a much higher level of estrogen when they're...

say like running a dose of 200 milligrams of testosterone.

So they unfortunately just have to overcompensate in a crazy level with a much higher level of either a DHT like primo or an AI or something.

This is just a random example of how genetics vary out of nowhere for no fucking reason.

It's just that's what they're born with, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's kind of the same thing with like,

I'd say I've noticed this variance in everything.

Yeah.

about a person.

Exactly.

Everything.

Like physical attributes, muscle insertions,

how fast they can run, how strong they can become, how fast their mind works, how high their IQ is,

how happy they are on a daily basis, how present they are on a daily basis, how attentive they can be at school,

how sad they are on a daily basis, how motivated, how unmotivated.

These things vary, sometimes not even attach or correlated to their hormones.

So imagine they also had crash hormones.

Imagine they had a balanced level of hormones, but they were just in a place where their brain chemistry wasn't right.

You know, it's like,

like, I advise you to look at, like, I'm going down a rabbit hole, but I advise you to look up Austin Stout.

Okay.

He's a great example of how complicated the body is on a level of the gut.

Okay.

There are so many different things going on.

It's hard to narrow it down to one thing.

Like, you shouldn't be eating pizza.

like for your gut or something.

And that's why I believe same thing with depression in the mind.

It's like while certain people can get out of it situationally,

it's not true for everyone.

I see what you mean.

But like your point kind of proves what I just said.

Like, for example, your friends were telling you, you know, it's your mental health, you're depressed, you should be.

But like, obviously,

if you was to tell yourself that you're depressed, you would have stayed in that position.

You know, you try to find, you try to find, would you describe yourself as depressed in that position?

Like, when that was happening, would you label yourself depressed?

That's kind of hard because I always said I felt depressed yeah i don't know if that means i like self-diagnosed myself in depression like if you were to just say yeah i'm depressed and like agree with it you wouldn't have tried to find a way out you know what i mean i feel like it's just a crutch that you people use to just stay in that position like there's nothing i can do about it and obviously i've not been in like every single situation possible so i don't know like if there's an out for everything but for you you like said fuck that I'm not gonna you know I'm not depressed it's not like a mental health thing it's actually just like my hormones and you found a solution

and this is why i don't like to like just use that for myself like if if i'm feeling bad i don't think labeling myself depressed is going to help me in any way possible regardless of the situation so that's why i just see it as like okay i'm just not doing what i'm supposed to be doing and it's all it always works for now until until now so like if i'm not if i'm not happy i'm like all right why

Okay, I probably haven't done what I'm supposed to be doing.

I haven't been praying recently.

And

it really hits me hard sometimes.

Like I've maybe like missed two, three prayers.

And it just, it's just like subconscious.

I just feel bad.

And I'm like, all right, I haven't prayed.

And then I get back to like on track with everything.

And then I feel happy and I'm fulfilled and I'm happy.

Like, I just feel better.

So that's why I feel like when you feel that feeling of being sad or, you know, quote unquote depressed.

It's just life telling you that you might not be doing what you're supposed to be doing.

That's how I see it.

It just helps me a lot with my daily life.

For example, you know, I was taking the plane on the way here.

And that's just to talk about my faith-like how much of a difference it makes when I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to be doing.

I was in a plane, I was just sitting, and like, and there was turbulence, the plane was going up and down, and everything.

Everybody was like freaking out, like, some people were stressed.

And I was like, if I die now, like, I'm, I'm, I'm cool with it.

Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, like,

yeah, I'm ready to die just because, like, I'm not dying.

Yeah,

I hope you don't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, I was like, even though you pissed me off with this argument,

I was just flattering.

But yeah, I was just like, I'm ready to die because I know I've been doing everything that I'm, the best that I could, essentially.

And I feel like if you're not living up to that standard that you have, you're not going to feel the best you could feel.

Yeah.

You know?

But yeah.

I know you're.

Yeah.

I know when you talked about the Jubilee thing, like it is something important for you.

I'm not, I don't mean to disrespect anybody.

No, no, you aren't.

Like, because I've really, like, I've also discussed your mindset as well, because I love that.

Yeah.

And that's something that I have been trying to take control of with my life, and it's propelled me forward.

So my best friend Dion, for example, in San Diego, has this kind of mindset too.

He went to jail and prison and read a lot of books.

And then him and Ryan fucking

propelled themselves forward with their mindsets and got out of jail and literally got

their record cleaned and then started making like he was like he was like a he was a he sold drugs and he didn't have any money and then now he made like 400k per year it's just fucking cool That's awesome.

You know, I think this mindset is an extremely important, and I think what you believe is reality.

Yeah, so that's why I think your perspective is extremely important for all of us.

And I think it's true.

I was just kind of, I was just kind of speaking for,

I was just kind of speaking for other people whenever we're talking about other people, rather than when we're talking about ourselves.

I didn't, I

like,

I didn't want people who are actually like clinically depressed to feel like we're invalidating their

diagnosis or something.

You know what I mean?

What is clinically depressed?

I don't know.

I don't fucking know.

I don't have the credentials to talk about.

If you were to go and see a doctor and they would tell that you're clinically depressed at that point, that's all the difference.

Just someone told you that you're.

It almost feels like a self-fulfilling prophecy, right?

Yeah, exactly.

So that's, again, I would just recommend people to try it for themselves.

You know, that's all I can do.

I'm not going to sit here and say

they're wrong, but i would just say like try it you know if yeah regardless of the regardless of being actually clinically depressed or not or whatever whatever your situation is that is causing you to be depressed i think the fact that you said

being depressed i think is a sign from the universe or from life or from god that you are not doing what you should be i think that's always going to be right yeah um Because I think even if you are in a state where you were born depressed or something, it's not a situational thing.

It's something that's been hard for you to get out of.

I believe that there is something that you can change to make you better.

I just, yeah, I believe that.

So whatever it is, but it's probably for some people, it's probably almost impossible.

It feels almost impossible to find because they have to jump through a million hoops to get there.

Unfortunately, like Michaela Peterson had to fucking figure out that suddenly like literally eating only the carnivore diet helped her believe herself a lot of immune diseases.

Like, what the fuck?

You know what I mean?

But

it's just how the world works, yeah, exactly.

I would just say, try it for yourself and see.

Definitely helped me.

This mindset is why I'm here, honestly, and why I'm going to be where I'm going to be in a couple of years.

So, and also the thing you said, they're just going to have to go through, you know, million hoops.

I told myself the same thing when I first started.

Obviously, like, I wasn't like depressed or anything, but like, just see it as a way of like, you know, life's going to go by anyway.

You know, you're going to be there in a year, regardless.

So, might as well start now.

And obviously, you're just progressing.

You're not going to be there like

the same person.

And then, in a year, exactly, you get where you want to get to.

You're going to be better and better every single day towards that point, if that makes sense.

That's how I saw bodybuilding when I first started.

I was like, fuck, it's going to take me like so long to get to the physique that I want or like be happy with the way I look.

But then I thought, like, I saw a video of a guy, Hamza.

Do you know him?

He does like YouTube videos, self-improvement.

He sounds familiar.

Yeah.

Basically, like self-improvement.

It's a lot of like bro science.

Yeah.

But I watched his video.

Yeah.

and it was basically saying, like, you're gonna go through, like, the time is gonna pass by anyway, so might as well get started and actually do it.

So, I was like, All right, fuck it, I'll get started.

And for me, luckily, it didn't take any like it didn't take that long.

But, like, if I didn't have that, like, if I didn't, like, just destroy that mindset of it's gonna take too long and flipped it and transformed it into, like, all right, the time's gonna pass by anyway, so might as well get started now.

I would have never been here, so just see it that way, too.

That's a good way to see it, like for everything in life, yeah, yeah.

Maybe I just found a thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb, thumb title

on Friday today, bro.

Yeah, same, bro.

It was the expo was long, too, for me.

We just went there, we filmed a video with Eric and Greg for HLT,

and we just came in, bro, and everybody wanted pictures, but we want, we needed people to make the video, so we're like, you are guys down to do a video, and we made like, we just went, we had like maybe like 10 people with us,

And then in two minutes, it was like a huge circle, like one-fourth of the expo was just around us.

And we filmed that video.

It's probably going to drop soon, but you'll see.

It's like it was specked.

But yeah, it was long.

We took a bunch of pictures before leaving.

And I went to training with Mike.

It was a long day, too.

Yeah.

You also said that.

I hope this doesn't seem super random, but you also said you were celibate too, right?

On Jubilee?

Are you...

Did you say that you were holding off for telling marriage for religion?

Yeah, yeah, mainly like I am Muslim, so the way that I see it, obviously I had like a let's call it like a relationship,

but the only reason I got like with or like the only reason I started talking to that person was because I thought, okay, this is someone that I can marry eventually.

Um, and the thing with Jubilee, everybody thought, like, I've never talked to a girl before.

That's like the

aired that, right?

Yeah, yeah, section.

Uh, I think they cut out like a bit of a bit of it.

Yeah, the episode was like an hour and something long.

Yeah, but we found like three hours.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

They cut off like half of it.

But the impression that it made was like that I'm just I've never talked to a girl before.

God damn it, Jimmy, you asshole.

But I just rolled with it.

But like, just to make it clear,

you know, I've talked to a girl before.

But yeah, like, that's the mindset I go through with every single time.

Like, is like, if I'm talking to that person,

it's only happened happened once and i'm i not broke up with well broke up with her i wasn't with her but like whatever um but yeah like if i'm like i want to make sure that the person i'm talking to is someone that i can marry and that happened once

uh that was before i started posting videos and basically everything was perfect i was like all right this is someone i can marry and everything we had like everything went well uh but then i started posting the videos and she was like kind of um self-conscious about herself i think that was that was one of the big problems like um, do you mean like self-conscious about like you posting?

Uh, paying attention or something, or yeah, yeah, but also the fact that she was self-conscious about herself,

like the way me, I don't know what it was, to be honest, never like went deep into it, but just like maybe the way she looked or the way she was, like, she, there was nothing wrong with her.

Um,

but yeah, like self-conscious about me posting, and it just like

affected the relationship.

Or, like, for example, I was posting a video of getting DMs from like girls, whatever a lot of attention wow girls really

i'm jealous

brody said the same thing yesterday

but yeah yeah like getting dms and like attention whatever and obviously like i wasn't entertaining anything um but yeah just like that just it came there was there was issues like every couple of days so like i was like all right it's not gonna work out stopped it there um and yeah that's it

damn but yeah it wasn't nothing like obviously i'm muslim so to just go back on the fact is like

if i if i am gonna

um

like

talk to someone it has like i have to have in mind that all right this is someone that i can see myself being with if that makes sense like or like marrying uh this someone i could that i see myself marrying uh or it just wouldn't make sense and also like that's how religion the religion is so i just follow it no yeah.

It makes all the sense.

Yeah.

Took me a bit to get here, but that's how I feel now.

So yeah.

Finally.

Such a disappointment to my parents.

Let's get to these.

This was fucking to this Q ⁇ A.

Let's talk about some bodybuilding.

I'm sorry, guys.

I'm sorry if I made you angry today.

Fuck.

By the way, I was wondering myself, what do you bring to your competitions?

What do you mean?

Like, what do you pack?

What did you pack in your bag when you went to your show?

I had

just,

obviously, like, the stuff that I was going to wear.

I had like three.

I had like the shorts for Men's Physique and the three, the two other briefs for bodybuilding and classic.

And it was just in Toronto.

So I just...

drove there with just a couple things like my my camera just for content my laptop and everything and the rest i just bought there the stuff that i needed so i didn't really bring much to be honest but i had like once i got there i had like rice cakes and, you know, you know how it is, like I had a bunch of stuff to carb up.

But yeah, I traveled pretty light.

Not much.

But I actually brought a lot of clothes because I was flying to LA like two hours after the show.

So that was the only, the only thing that is, that was different.

Yeah.

Okay.

Gotcha.

Did you feel any stress going into the competition that

you think bit you in the butt?

Yeah, maybe.

I did, I did.

And what I did the day before was just like pray.

I just like prayed.

And I was like, you know, obviously I'm here just because, you know, God wanted me to be here.

So whatever happens is

meant to happen.

I'll just do my best on my side and whatever else happens.

So it just removes all removed all the stress from me.

And yeah, just went in.

Didn't have any stress like the day of, maybe a bit before like leading up to the show.

I was like, how am I going to look?

Am I going to fuck it up?

Like, am I going to pose wrong?

Am I going to have a cramp?

Which happened.

Like, I was like, I'll just pray.

And I did my best until this point so i'll just let whatever happens happens at double you know from here yeah gotcha yeah josh kastner asks how to bulk and keep a shred in midsection at the same time i'd love to know too bro

for real

i've got a liposuction yeah that's that's a good way to do it bro

we're all pond i don't know no it is it is tough like

i i wouldn't be able to answer on to be honest i just i store most of my fat in my midsection So if I'm bulking, it would be like a really slight surplus.

Or I just wouldn't bulk.

I just say the same.

Jose Diesel asks, why doesn't he admit using gear, bro, looks better than you claiming that he's a fence king?

That's false.

Bro, just

both of us in the same sense.

That's fucking funny.

Yeah, that's crazy.

I love these comments, bro.

I'm sorry, bro.

I like my fucking grandma popcorn.

D2, you fuff.

D2, you fuff.

Fuck off.

How was his experience with Greg as his coach?

Ooh, amazing.

He's an extremely good coach.

It was really good.

Like, he helped me, especially like week of, like peak week.

But it was just so happy to uh, so, so easy to just reach out to him whatever I needed.

Like, obviously, we're friends, so it wasn't, it wasn't like anything different.

Like, I've never had a coach, it was my first time having a coach.

Obviously, I had like the knowledge to just get there, but having him just tell me exactly what to do, what I'm missing, what I'm not doing right, was really good.

And uh, we were doing like check-ins, I would send him pictures and stuff, he would let me know what I need to work on.

And I would say I definitely would have, I would have fucked everything everything up without him because I didn't know like anything about posing.

The peak, the week of, like, peak week and carving up and everything, I had no idea.

So yeah, he definitely helped me out a lot.

He was really supportive.

And one thing that really helped me too is like, I did my week.

You know, I did my, I, you know, leaned out, got as lean as possible.

And I saw him that week of like, he wasn't with me for the show, but he, he saw me the week before, before I head out to Toronto.

And he just said, like, I'm proud of you, bro.

Killed it you look amazing and i was like all right i got his uh i got gregy set to tell me that i look amazing so i'm good i'll just go on stage and i think that helped a lot with the the stress factor yeah yeah i think it helps a lot having your coach like tell you you're good yeah yeah it definitely did but yeah he was he was amazing helped me i would have never placed the way i place without him that's dope that's awesome I think one thing that some people don't really

I don't know if it's just fucking dumbass people or if if it's just like, I don't know, I don't really understand, but I feel like there's some people out there that like

don't really understand, like, can't differentiate between like a good picture versus like someone's physique and person, yeah,

which I understand is difficult in sense.

It's like we're saying ourselves how like looking at people on stage is different than seeing them on camera, right?

Um,

but I just think that like it's very easy for those, it's very easy for some people in like social media, whether or not they're just upset about

the way they look someone else

or or if they actually feel this

to like think that someone is natural when they have like a when they take like really good pictures.

There was this kid that I met at the expo just today who took like this really good shot.

Downwards lighting had like this awesome like downwards

shadow.

I fucking can't talk about it.

Shadows and shit that made his body look 3D.

And he was with his friends and he was getting people to sign his little poster.

You know, like everyone had like a picture of Arnold and they got us to sign it.

Yeah, but he was having his own picture to sign it, but he was with a group of like six other guys and stuff.

So

when I got it, I was just like, damn, holy shit, who is this?

They're like, he was like, bro, it's me.

And I turned to him and I'm just like,

are you natty?

And he's like, yeah.

And I'm like, how many people?

How many people ask you or how many people accuse you of being on steroids?

And then all of his friends just raised his hand.

They were like, We all do.

And they were just like, Yeah, we like, we accuse him all the time, but honestly, we're just making fun of him.

Yeah.

You know, we just like joke around about it, but like know that he's natural.

But it's like, whenever you, you can like take shots, you know, you can take pictures in good lighting and you can be natural and you can look fucking amazing.

Like, you don't have to be massive.

Yeah.

In fact, I don't think even the mass size really makes that much of a difference in pictures and lighting.

It's the shreddedness in lighting.

It's like how conditioned you are.

Like you could be small, but you can be as shredded as fuck and get it in good lighting, good downwards lighting, and you will look like a fucking animal.

You know what I mean?

That is true.

So I don't know.

I just think people should differentiate.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And also, like you said before, the weight plays a huge role as well, like, you know, your height, your weight, to know if you're actually like natural or not.

Like, Brody looked amazing, but he's like 158 pounds.

He's like his leanest.

Like, he's 158.

He's like, I don't know how tall he is, a bit shorter than me.

But, you know, it makes sense.

You know, he's obviously, well, it might be obviously natural.

But yeah, pictures do make a big difference, especially like if you're shredded and you're posing on your own without anybody next to you to compare to.

People just get it wrong.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You do got some sus pictures out there, though, bro.

They look pretty fucking nuts.

They look really good.

Like, honestly, I met a bunch of people at the expo today.

And I don't know if it's because they just wanted to flatter me or like, but a lot of people said like you look a lot bigger in person

than on the photos, which I lied to all of us.

They told me that, too, but it's not true.

I know.

It's not true, bro.

This is fucking lying, bro.

Yeah, probably.

I was like, thank you, bro.

That's funny.

No, you look fucking crazy, bro.

You really do.

Thank you, bro.

Now, not trying to be an asshole.

I swear to God.

I swear to fucking God.

That's going to be bad.

But I didn't know you or see your social media.

Well, I never saw your social media before I met you on Jubilee.

Yeah.

And when I saw you in person,

honestly, I thought that you look very natural to me.

I thought it just,

you know, I mean, you literally look like a natural guy who just came out of his show.

And that makes all the sense.

Now, to your defense, being a natural and coming straight out of a show, you're literally like,

you look half the size as you did before, you know?

You're fucking flat.

You're just everything has shrunk.

You know, it just, that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah.

When I see your pictures, I'm like, holy shit, bro.

This guy looks fucking crazy.

But when I see your videos too, when you look more full, you do look crazier.

You know, it makes sense.

When you have like good lighting, when you have all these things that make a difference, I think it makes sense.

So, I mean, from my personal account,

it's just hard for me to ever believe that you're lying.

I don't know, just knowing your morals, knowing who you are as a person, seeing your physique in person and your social media and stuff, it's just kind of hard for me to believe that you are on steroids.

But then again, I don't know anything about being a fucking total liar.

You lied to you.

I've lied for two hours.

But yeah, no, no, I definitely agree.

Like, also, like, like you said, the weight thing definitely makes sense.

Like,

if I know, like, if I hop on now, and I was talking to Eric, he said, like, in six months, I could be like 215 lean if I just follow a specific cycle.

Um, but again, I told him I don't plan on competing, and it's just stupid in my opinion to hop on if you don't plan on competing and you already look good.

Yeah, so yeah, I just don't think it's worth it.

Yeah, I'd say definitely not, especially for me.

It's a lot of work and a lot of money.

yeah no definitely not I yeah no I just love this I want to be I know you can do it healthy like stay as healthy as possible but it's just better not to do you you'll definitely be more healthy without doing it than doing it oh for sure for sure I don't even know if I can use the word healthy while you're on it

maybe risk averse risk averse there you go

a VM Oliveira asks from a diet perspective how did you pack on so much muscle um and another another question actually also asked like how many cuts and bulks did you take yeah to get to where you are so i guess same question yeah so when i first started training i think i was like 135 around 133 to 135 pounds when i was 19.

um and i just 133 at

yeah at six foot yeah

fuck dude really really skinny bro yeah yeah damn that's that's the main thing that people like obviously the physique you know if you just see me in a picture people think i'm not natural but then it's the transformation and the only in three years that people are like oh, fuck, you know what I mean?

I could probably, like, if I keep training and put on more muscle, like, let's say I put on 10 pounds in the next five years, maybe of muscle, maybe at that point, people will start calling me like, oh, they already do.

Fucking now, never mind.

There's always gonna be people that accuse you.

There's people who accuse my nanny physique of being fucking like steroids.

And that blows my mind, bro.

That's the thing, yeah.

Yeah.

But like,

yeah, I was 133 pounds.

I

just started eating for the first first time in my life.

Like, I started training, and I feel like,

and I don't know if that's like scientific or anything, but I feel like the fact that I was training really hard, my body needed more food.

So I was just eating as much as I wanted to.

Okay, so you don't know exactly how many calories or anything?

No, when I first started, I didn't really track.

I was just keeping it protein as much as possible.

So I would have protein shakes.

I would have protein with every single meal.

I would space them out, you know, have one in the morning, like four meals maybe,

and space them out.

And all that knowledge I got from like YouTube and also like my brother that used to train so I would just ask him any questions I had

and yeah and after I think the first year no in three months I put on how much 12 kg so that is like 25 pounds maybe and in three four months

so I went from like 135 to that would make me like 160 yeah and in three four months but I looked a bit leaner than when I first started so yeah the transformation was like really really fast in only three four months and from from there, I just like bulked up, went up to 182, 182 pounds.

And then I cut down.

I was like, all right, I look good, but I have a bit of fat.

So I, you know, learned that you can actually like cut and everything.

I was still doing research and I went down to 165, I think, but I was a lot leaner.

And that's when I started posting after 18 months.

So I bulked for my first year, maybe 12 months.

And then for the last six months, I was just cutting down and still getting stronger because it was only a year.

So, you know, I could build muscle, get leaner at the same time um and yeah so 18 months i started posting my videos the non-natty accusation started and i started bulking again uh went up to 190 that's when i did like the big the bulk for like uh actually went up a little bit stayed around like 170 something yeah and then did that other bulk which brought me to like 188 or something that's when i put on like uh the weight on my bench um and yeah so i did like two bulks i would call it and

i would say multiple cuts.

Maybe like I would cut down.

I wouldn't call it like, if you're calling a bulk, just eating more, then maybe I've done a bunch of them, but it just fluctuates because of social media.

I wouldn't call it a bulk because I didn't like really build much muscle.

I would just get shredded and then go back to normal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you haven't gained as much muscle then in the last like six months then you'd say?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I definitely not because, you know, I had a show in November.

It's been four months now.

So I just get, got back to where I was maybe in like September, in my opinion.

So that all that time was like kind of wasted, in my opinion, like in bodybuilding sense.

But I'm probably going to waste a lot more time in the next coming years because of social media just trying to stay shredded and lean and stay natural too.

But that's the thing, if I wasn't going to waste time because I'm staying natural.

Well, yeah, in a bodybuilding sense, like building muscle sense.

But if I wasn't like doing videos, I would just go for crazy bulk and put on, obviously keep it clean, but just try to put on as much muscle as possible and i wouldn't really care for the body fat that's what i recommend people to do to be honest you know don't try to get shredded if you're just starting out bro no i get it i i feel the same way it's hard to recommend that though because we're in the same place where we just like yeah you know you and i just fucking couldn't bulk bro we couldn't we had to be shredded yeah for fucking three years straight yeah like why did my dumb ass think that i would gain any muscle during that time bro i stayed literally the exact same weight for like three years in a row it was terrible it is tough it is tough to tell people to do something and you're doing the opposite but for me i just give the explanation too like it's just for social media if you're not doing social media trust me you're not going to look good yeah shredded if you if you don't bulk before yeah

i'm trying to uh

so i want to do this for the benefit of the haters yeah for a second because i want to give everyone a chance yeah um

just to kind of

I want to like criticize just like your natty status, I guess.

To be honest, man, everything is pointing me towards you being natural.

Like the fact that you're starting at 19 years old, that is when your hormones are most primed you also had all the information in the world this is why i think my audiences they're all going to be set up for success and i think they're all really amazing people not because of my podcast but because they're the type of people to educate themselves either during or prior to them even doing anything i have a lot of naturals that listen to this podcast just because they're interested in the info whether or not they jump on peds or not but if they do they're going to know shit before

unlike me my dumbass

i think being educated, well educated about what you're doing before you jump into anything is going to propel you and explode you forward faster than any of the other people who are still figuring things out in the meantime.

Exactly.

Me, bro, it took me like 10 years to figure out how to do things right.

How fucking ridiculous is that?

Yeah, I mean, obviously, I didn't have social media at the time when I was younger.

I just had like videos of fucking Z's and

Rich Piano to tell me to do fucking eight-hour hours of shit.

Fucking the fuck.

But,

you know, by the time I finally figured things out, then things started to blow up for me.

So you had your hormones primed, a good age, you

had all the information.

And then one of the best parts, in my opinion, is you were extremely lean and had no muscle on you.

So not only is that a great opportunity for you to

make like almost

I don't know, to just make freaking crazy anabolic newbie games, you know, but also the fact that you started off leaning, you didn't start off fat meant that you could eat all this food.

And you're, when you gain fat percentage, of course, it's, it's only going to set you to a point where you're more at like an average body fat percentage, you know, unlike people like me or like Bosch, for example, or some other people who started off at a, at a higher fat percentage, yeah.

Like as

as nice as it is that it's easier us for easier for us to eat to gain mass, it's a big disadvantage to start off fat because losing that fat takes a long time and your body fat set point and getting comfortable at a lower body fat set point takes a lot of time for your body to adjust to.

Right.

So when you're leaner, if you can eat a lot when you're leaner, that's, I think, the best place you could be.

If you can't eat a lot when you're leaner, then you're shit out of luck too.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

So, I mean, you got a lot of things going for you.

I think one of the things for the haters, I guess there's like a couple of questions asking you about like gyno.

Yeah.

Have you ever been asked that before?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, a lot.

And Greg did a video on,

like, the first video he did was like going over like the transformation,

how lean I am, the fact that I put on muscle whilst getting leaner.

You know, when I first started training, he was like, you know, this is obviously not natural.

And also the gyno.

Do you think it's really leaner or do you just have a body, better body composition?

Like you just had more muscle underneath there?

No, like I didn't see my abs when I first started.

And then like a couple months in, I started seeing them.

Seeing them.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

So maybe you did lose a little bit of fat.

Yeah.

Whilst putting muscle on.

Yeah.

It always makes me wonder, though, because like when you gain muscle, the appearance of your body is so drastically different if you hold based on your BMI.

That makes sense.

Like you'll see fucking huge ass guys.

Yeah.

And

like they don't need to have as low of a body fat percentage to show everything.

I maybe didn't lose fat, but maybe I just lowered my body fat percentage, if that makes sense.

Because obviously I'm putting on weight.

Yeah.

So maybe I'm just building muscle staying at the same body yeah but like at the same fat level or like pounds of fat but because i'm like putting on weight and not gaining fat the body fat percentage is lower yeah or maybe it's just like steroids maybe

so you're saying about greg yeah so he did the the gyno accusation he told me like you know i have gyno in here here we can see gyno and this obviously says that you're non-natural and all i did in my response video was just pull up a picture of me when i was i think i was like two years old And I've always had,

yeah, two years old.

And also when I first started training, I have like two pictures.

And it's just like the way my nipples are,

the way they look, I have like this fucking, they just like look weird.

Yeah, I can send you the pictures.

Yeah.

You can pull them up here, but like

they're just like, they have like that puffy look.

I don't know what it is.

And he was like, all right, yeah, fuck.

He's right.

Even since two years old.

Yeah.

So it's not even like, it's not even like puke, like puberty gyno or something.

Yeah, it's not gyno.

It's just like, I don't know if it if it is, but it's just like the way they look.

Like they have like that.

Once I show you, you you'll see what I mean.

Yeah.

But it's just like close to the nipple, the nipple just pops out on the

yeah.

Damn.

Yeah.

So there's not like usually gyno, there's like that

I don't know how to call it like that s solid thing, like solid maybe piece of meat under under your nipple.

I don't know what it is.

When you have it, you know, you can grab it and actually feel.

That's gyno, right?

Yeah, that's gyno.

That's what it is.

But I've never had that.

Oh, okay, so I just, but when I was two, like, it just they had that look, okay.

They just like, it's like soft under their yeah, exactly soft.

Maybe I was like, I was a bit fat when I was younger.

Maybe that is, I don't know,

yeah, yeah, damn, bro.

I'll send you a picture.

That's crazy.

Alien.

Alien, bro.

See, that's what I'm saying, man.

Some people get depression, and you get fucking alien nipples,

baloney barb nipples.

I could have said I'm depressed because of them.

What was your training style, by the way, when you first started trading?

It was push-pull legs six days a week, but I was training from home, my garage, so I couldn't believe that.

That's the best way.

That's the most anabolic way.

I did too.

Yeah.

When you first started.

Yeah.

So I just had two dumbbells.

I could fix them with, like, it was adjustable and had a bench.

So I would watch videos of, I forgot his name, like Athleenex, obviously.

I used to watch Greg a little bit too, and also other people.

And I would just like do the same workout.

So it would be like inclined bench,

flat bench for chest, and like chest flies with dumbbells.

That would be like my workout for chest.

And then I would do triceps.

I would do like kickbacks, which a lot of people hate.

I don't know why.

I would do them chest supported.

So put my chest, dumbbells, everything was dumbbells.

So yeah, pushable legs six days a week.

And I would just rest maybe on, I think it was Sundays.

And yeah, that's what I used to do.

Yeah.

Just dumbbells.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

What about

like your

training tempo

and I guess rest timing?

Do you remember?

Not really.

It was, I would just like, I would just vibe in my garage.

I would put music on and just like go in.

And I would like

try to keep the best form possible from the videos I was watching.

But I definitely didn't train the way I do now.

Like I was just like bouncing up the weights.

I didn't have like any specific tempo.

I would just go until I was close to failure.

And the closer I got to failure, the slower i could do the reps that was mainly it so i had like no knowledge on like controlling the eccentric pausing pausing on the stretch position so it was just like bouncing weights and and hoping for gains yeah how often did you go to failure every every set every set yeah ever since i started i did too yeah we're dumbasses bro

ever since i started i would go to failure every set and honestly i like i still kind of do to be honest yeah yeah yeah do you still do that Um, as of maybe a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago, when I finally started my first like real enhanced bulk, I guess, no, because um, I realized that I was uh, I was biting myself in the butt by doing so.

Yeah, I now only go to failure the last set of each exercise,

yeah.

So, sometimes that's like twice for one muscle group.

I'd say it's about twice per month, one muscle group.

Do you two exercise per muscle group?

I do

maybe, yeah, i do on average about two exercises per specific muscle group so for example two exercises for lats two exercises for rhomboids and drainouts yeah lower traps um you know two exercises for upper chest probably yeah whatever you got okay yeah um

damn cool

Maybe you are just a freak, bro.

Maybe you are just on gear.

We'll see.

Honestly, like, I don't plan on hopping on anytime soon.

But like, I, and, you know, I've said this before, like, if I was to hop on, people would be, oh, okay.

He was actually natural.

Right.

Yeah.

Kind of like Alex.

Yeah, exactly.

Kind of like Alex.

It sucks though that Eubanks is getting so much hate now for doing it when he's just.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

I don't know.

Too much controversy around him, but I feel bad for anyone, honestly.

Yeah, honestly, like, I don't know what people care this much, to be honest.

Like, what do other people do?

Like, again,

like, obviously they looked up to him, maybe, the fact that he was natural and they kind of just lost him but some people just hate to hate bro and i've seen it in my comments um but yeah i probably wouldn't hop on i like again the message that i try to push is just like

not specifically like obviously i'm pushing for people to stay natural but also mainly pushing for people to not underestimate how much they can achieve you know what i mean not only in like in a bodybuilding sense but just in life yeah that's that's something i really dislike too is underestimating how much they can achieve yeah and i don't really understand why because i'm like that takes away your power you know yeah like a lot of people just give up when they don't feel like they can get somewhere.

And I'm like, bro, you don't even understand.

Like, I, dude, I thought I was going to be the ugliest fucking unachieved motherfucker.

I never thought I would become a pro, regardless of even competing a bodybuilding show.

I never thought I would even be below fucking 16% body fat ever in my entire life.

So, I mean,

I just, I just think people really don't.

I think there's a lot of people who don't really comprehend or really believe

that they can actually achieve the amazing things they can yeah just shooting themselves in the foot for no reason yeah yeah before they even start

and i i get it dude because i do it to myself sometimes when i think about like me competing in shows i'm like don't don't ever expect that you're ever going to become something great don't ever expect you'll be on the olympia stage but like where do you think that comes from though it comes from not wanting to get hurt yeah i can see that

I can see that.

Not wanting to get let down.

Yeah.

There's like the saying, expectations are suffering.

So it's hard, bro.

It's hard to believe in yourself, but also not have expectations about it at the same time.

You got to detach yourself, I think, from just the feeling and just look at the results that you would get compared to like, you know, both situations.

Like if you were to like tell that to yourself,

the chances of you placing higher are probably going to go down.

You know what I mean?

Like let's say you tell yourself, you know, I'm not going to be a pro, or you just tell yourself, I am going to be a pro.

The chances are of you becoming a pro are probably higher by you telling yourself that you might be yeah so yeah i think people just shoot themselves and it's also it happens but i do get it it's like the fear of like sometimes rejection the feel of like the fear of like underachieving but just look at the results you know you want to get there so why would you like put that energy out there some people like before they even go up i'll just like pick girls for example could happen to me i don't really dm anybody from like buying up but like let's say for example like this girl would never be with me you know what i mean can like disqualify themselves without even like trying so same thing for businesses this is this isn't gonna work I have a cousin actually he would he wanted to start posting and he was like you know it's not gonna work so why would I do it you know what I mean yeah and you just live your life with regret yeah

I don't know almost anything uh honestly I have a lot of years left to live and so much to learn but I do feel like there's like this little this level this balance that is like the best place to be where like you're not to the level of having so many expectations you feel entitled, but also being in the place where you believe that you're going to achieve

the great things that you want to, you know.

I just think the balance being in that place is kind of difficult.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like the same thing as being really like perfectly confident, but not cocky.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I see what you mean.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like a very thin line, I think.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

I think it depends on the people that look at you, maybe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mental shit is hard.

But like you said, you know, you not telling yourself that is just takes, you give power to the word, like you said.

And this is what happened going back to depression.

Yeah.

Same thing.

Misael asks, does he get any bitches now?

No.

Maybe that's why you're not happy, bro.

Yeah, maybe.

Maybe that's it.

There you go.

No, I would say, honestly,

I just work a lot.

So I just, I know that I'm not in a position right now to, and like I said, you know, I talked about like, I could definitely just

go out and just whatever, to do what most people do.

But as a Muslim, like for me, it's really important to, if I'm going to be with someone, it has to be like for.

marriage down the road.

And I don't feel like I have the time now to put that, you know, effort into a relationship or like into someone else because I'm not where I want to be yet or like I'm not set to the point I want to be.

So to answer the question, no, I don't get any pictures.

Gabriel Davidson asks, was your chest always strong for you?

And what's your approach?

Yeah, it was.

I think it was like a lot of times when I put like the...

the old picture, like when I was younger, people would look at it and say, like, oh, you already had a chest.

I think it was because I used to do push-ups push-ups when I was younger, like, just to, I used to watch,

I think it was six-pack shortcuts.

Dude, I was literally going to make the joke like 15 minutes ago about whether or not you watched it.

Yeah, yeah, I did.

It was like ab crunches and push-ups.

That's all I used to do.

So I think it helped with definitely not the abs.

Not the abs, just the chest.

But yeah, it was like a strong point.

It's probably my strongest with shoulders now.

Yeah.

And the best thing is, I always,

ever since I started training was always inclined uh at the beginning of my workout i think it helped me with building that shape like that upper shelf uh so yeah incline is definitely like three years in and i've always been doing it at the start of my workout that's awesome that's awesome uh incline something i wish i did more of when i was starting off yeah what were you doing at the start a lot of flat yeah uh i couldn't

oh man i might be lying about this because i don't remember i feel like i don't remember i feel like i didn't wasn't really able to incline my bench in my garage when I first started liking it.

So I always did a flat bench.

Or if I did, it was the kind that was so jank that when you inclined it, it touched like the barbell.

So then you had to

and I didn't have any spotters or anything, so I couldn't do it.

It's Vic Lopez asks, What is the natty stack?

And how do you stay sewing year-round?

Good question.

Honestly, the best supplement that I've tried, and that's also one thing that Greg really helped me with, was Geo2Max.

It's HLT SUPS, a little plug right there.

I parted with them, but like,

I always hated cardio.

Fucking hate cardio.

Like, it's not only I don't like it, it's boring, but also because my cardio sucks, and I think that's why it made it boring for me.

Uh, I just didn't have one, like a really good, just I, I was, I sucked, but like, Geo2 Max helped me.

Cardio sucks because of too much test, right?

Yeah, exactly.

That's it, too much test, so Geo2 Max just fixed that for me.

Yeah, um, but yeah, like my, my, my test, uh, not my test, my cardio sucker.

So I was just taking Geo2 Max, and and I was just doing cardio and I couldn't feel anything.

Like the only thing that was hurting was my legs from walking.

I was doing Stair Master.

So just from walking up the stairs, my legs hurt it, but I didn't feel anything in my lungs, which was amazing.

So Geo2 Max helped me.

And I still take it and I still do cardio now because of it.

I didn't do it before, but just because now it's easier

and also like more enjoyable for me.

Yeah, that's definitely the supplement.

But I also take creatine, the basics, ever since I started.

Turk,

I know a lot of people don't really like it, but you gotta try from hlt have you ever tried it turk yeah uh obviously obviously you're not in like natural so it's not gonna you're gonna see

the big boost um makes all the changes in my physique

yeah god do you know what's in uh geo2 max uh no i i have to look i think it's um uh what's it i know i wouldn't be able to tell you no I'll just take it.

I don't really take it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Told me like this is going to help with your cardio.

I'm like, bad.

I'll take it.

But yeah, Turk2

okay.

I love Greg, but man, I am so sus about Turk.

Yeah.

I'm so sus about Turk.

I don't know why.

Like, I've gave it to a few of my friends and everybody's seen a difference.

Really?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like, you know, it depends.

Like, for me and pretty much everybody that I gave it to, like, you feel more aggressive in the gym.

Okay.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

For me, it helps me go.

I feel like kind of like primal.

So when I'm doing a set, if I'm like, if I have that feeling, it could help me get one more rep, you know, just fucking pushed through it.

Bro, low-key, he's like sprinkling halo test in his church.

Basically, everyone just raging.

That'd be crazy, bro.

Do you know,

like, has Greg disproved or like mentioned anything about like the studies on Turk?

Like, doesn't really.

The studies on Turk's, the thing is, like, and he did like a big podcast with

people that just like, um, they tested multiple supplements.

And the reason why the studies say that Turk doesn't work is because most people don't use actual Turk.

They take Turk from like Gorilla Mind.

Are you with Gorilla Mind?

No, you're huge, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

But basically, I don't know if Huge has it, but like just companies that make Turk, but they all take use Turk from China, which is they don't even use the same plant.

Whatever it's called, Druget Turkestanika or something.

That's the Turk, like the plant.

And it's just in Uzbekistan.

That's where, you know, HLT has like the like the monopole over it, like monopol, I don't know what the word is.

Monopoly, yeah, yeah.

I'm French, so I'm trying to just

yeah, I speak French and Arabic, uh, but yeah, basically like monopoly over Uzbekistan, so they get the Turk from that plant, but they did a test like for all of the companies, and nobody has anywhere close to

basically like below label claims.

And HLT has, I think, 130% above label claims.

So if we say like you're getting 10, 10 milligrams, you're getting 13.

You know what I mean?

So all these studies are without using actual Turk.

And yeah, that's basically what his argument for it.

Yeah.

Damn, crazy.

Yeah.

All right.

Joseph Official asks, how often do you, Greg, your do set?

Every day.

Honestly, that's something also I'd love to touch on.

Pause.

It's just the fact that when I first started training, that's one thing I stopped doing.

I think it helped me a lot with just mental health in general.

But I wasn't addicted to it, I would say.

But it's just like it helped me replace that thing.

Like, you know, instant gratification and dopamine.

I replaced it with like delayed gratification, which was the gym for me.

So I would say if you're Gregging, you're just that a lot probably.

But yeah.

Fire.

Yeah.

All right.

We only have time for one last question, but Luca Kokaro asks, what's your diet like?

No, now it's um it depends on what i'm trying to do but if i'm trying to like lean out which is probably 100 of the time i keep it really low in calories so it could be like 1800 uh until i get to you know as lean as i want to get to but i try to keep it as clean as possible and also as

like i have most of my carbs before my workout in the morning like i like a train in the morning so i would have fruits for my carbs then i spoke to mike and he told me that would be better to do but then after the workout i would have protein a bit of carbs around the workout so i would have protein carbs protein carbs again and then for the rest of the day i just keep it purely protein and and a bit of fats so the carbs i just keep them close to my workouts for when i actually need them yeah but the rest of the day i feel like having carbs just crashes me and like i don't i don't i can't like really think and work

so yeah my my diet is pretty clean chicken beef uh i stay away from rice which is probably not the best thing to do but like i just feel like it makes me sluggish and i don't really i can't really think so i try to get like my carbs from fruits instead.

And yeah, that's what that's my diet.

I mean, as someone that's trying to stay lean, I would recommend the same thing.

I recommend a lot of carbs from fruits, especially if you're hungry.

Yeah.

So, I mean, I did the same thing when I was trying to stay lean too.

If I eat rice, get a little sluggish, and literally all my calories are gone.

Yeah, exactly.

You're fucking done.

So, yeah, rice, cakes, rice, I stay away.

But that's just because I'm like really like 1800 calories.

There's not much you can do with it.

You eat 1800 calories?

Yeah, yeah, if I'm trying to get leaner.

I was 1500 before I came to

bro.

That's six foot.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, that is wild.

I think, but it's just really like I lock in for a few weeks, get to as lean as I want to, and then I bring it back up to like maybe 2,400

close to me.

Is that your maintenance?

2400?

Yeah, around.

It depends on my weight.

But yeah, when I'm like as lean as I want to, it's probably 24.

Yeah, that makes sense.

When I was as lean as I wanted to, it was unfortunately around 2000.

Damn.

But I'm also a lot shorter than you.

So

four and a half inches.

But yeah.

What were you eating when you bulked super fast?

You said everything, basically.

Not everything.

Like, I used to eat a lot of pasta.

It helped me a lot.

Rice, chicken, tuna.

Tuna is a cheat code for me, bro.

Whenever I'm like close to like the end of the day and I don't have my protein, but I have really like like not a lot of calories, tuna is always my go-to.

Like I can have like, it sucks, it doesn't taste the best, but like it's just really, you know, functional for me.

Yeah, just eat like a lot of pasta, rice, just try to eat as much as possible, like cleepy, keeping clean.

And yeah, that's that's basically how it looks like.

Okay, cool.

Do you know how many fats you're consuming at the moment?

Um, I wouldn't be able to tell you, probably

maybe like

out of those, maybe like six, 50 to 60 grams.

Yeah, yeah, and you know, I try to make like would this be around like 2,400 calories when you're probably like 1800.

My carbs are really low, so I just get the fruits before my workout, okay?

Maybe a little bit after, but the rest is just protein and fats.

So probably 60 grams of fats.

I try to aim for like two, closer to like 200 grams of protein, maybe 180 to 200.

And the rest would be carbs.

I'm sure that helps with your testosterone levels too.

Yeah.

And I've also noticed this is this is a little bit, this is more empirical data and

anecdotal evidence, but I noticed a greater percentage of white people tend to respond to a higher carb intake percentage-wise than like the darker skinned people.

So you'll see like people that are tanner like us, like darker skinned, like us who tend to seem to, I don't know, we seem to respond well to a little bit of a higher level of fats, a little bit less carbs than others.

Like Fuad also explains in his podcast, you know, he, when he started working with John Meadows, John actually increased his fats drastically and it helped him.

He felt a lot better.

He felt like his performance was better in the gym.

He felt like his recovery was better.

And I'm sure the look is affected too, because sometimes when us carb sensitive people eat a lot of of carbs, then we become this fucking water buffalo, bro.

It's just, it feels like shit.

So yeah, had crumble, bro, and the day after my face was like fucking huge.

Yeah.

It probably still is, to be honest.

But yeah.

I agree.

It's not.

No.

Deshredded motherfucker.

I ask everyone the same question at the end of every podcast, but if you were to leave the earth tomorrow

and you had one message you could send to the entire world today, what would it be?

it would be to

take that first step yeah probably like for me i've always like i would say i've probably done more in the last three years of my life than the last the 19 before that and it was always because i kept like overthinking not really taking action so just taking that step towards what you want to do regardless of what it is and failing to at it i'm not saying to succeed you gotta fail to be able to like actually succeed So yeah, fail a lot and just learn from those failures.

And it's going to help you a lot with like

getting to where you want to get to.

So yeah, just take that first step and keep at it.

Yeah.

Awesome, bro.

That was dope.

Thank you, man.

Where could everybody find you?

You can find me on Instagram, usain.phht.

Same thing for YouTube and TikTok, but fuck TikTok.

It

doesn't translate to anything, bro.

Just brain rot.

But yeah, Instagram, YouTube.

And also, uh, I'm launching my clothing brand, Momentous, which is going to be on Instagram soon.

So, yeah, congrats on that, bro.

Thank you, bro.

Yeah, this was dope, man.

Even though you got me heated, maybe we can argue about depression, depression, religion.

Yeah, I remember the Jubilee thing.

I wanted to bring it up here, but yeah, bro.

But, like, that's just again, I feel like it would just help anybody, bro.

Even if you feel like you're depressed, like,

yeah, we won't go back on it, bro.

No, no, I appreciate it.

That was awesome, man.

Thanks for coming on again.

Of course, thank you for having me.

Sick.

All right.

Let's go fucking watch these finals.

All All right.