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Speaker 1 Later on, we're going to be talking today to Kathleen Hanna of the feminist punk band Bikini Kill. They are touring again this summer, 34 years after the band was founded.

Speaker 1 We'll ask her what it's like to have to get your doctor's permission before you jump into the mon fit.

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Speaker 1 Hi, this is Mary Kryan from Old Mystic, Connecticut. Now, I happen to know Old Mystic, having been there.
No way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, way. Yeah, way.

Speaker 1 And what do you do there?

Speaker 1 I'm actually a nuclear test engineer in a small shipyard in Groton, Connecticut. Oh, my God.

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Speaker 1 That's where they build our nuclear subs.

Speaker 1 So when you say you're a nuclear test engineer,

Speaker 1 do they turn on the nuclear engine, you have to go down there for a while, and you come back, and if you're fine, it's working?

Speaker 1 It's a terrific savings in light bulbs.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Well, welcome to the show, Mary. Let me introduce you to our panel this week.
First up, she is the creator and showrunner of Girls 5 Eva, a fabulous show, all three seasons of which are on Netflix.

Speaker 1 It's Meredith Scardino.

Speaker 1 Next, a writer and actor who can be seen at the Williamstown Theatre Festival July 30th and 31st in the new play Marcel on the Train. It's Peter Gross.
Hi.

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Speaker 1 And a correspondent for CBS Sunday morning and author of the New York Times best-selling Roctogenarians, late-in-life debuts, comebacks, and triumphs. It's Mo Raca.

Speaker 1 Hi, Mary.

Speaker 1 So, Mary, of course, you're going to start us off with who's Bill this time. Bill Curtis is going to read you three quotations we found in this week's news.
Your job correctly identify or explain.

Speaker 1 Just two of them. Do that.
You won our prize. The voice of anyone you might choose for your own purposes, whatever they may be.
All right. Ready to go? Yes.
All right.

Speaker 1 Your first quote is an official message delivered from a presidential campaign officially on Thursday. Trump is old and quite weird.

Speaker 1 That is the shift in tone we're seeing now that who is the likely Democratic nominee for president? Vice President Kamala Harris. Yes, indeed, Kamala Harris.

Speaker 1 Biden is out.

Speaker 1 Kamala is in, and Democrats are really jazzed. It's not about Harris potentially being the first female president or the first South Asian president.

Speaker 1 It's about her being a president we don't have to worry about on the stairs.

Speaker 1 Democrats are just an amazing change of mood because they finally have the candidate they want.

Speaker 1 Anybody else.

Speaker 1 And she'll also be, wouldn't she be the first Brat president? That's genuine sense.

Speaker 1 Yes, she is the first Brat president, or so she was called by Charlie, help me out, XCX.

Speaker 1 XCX.

Speaker 1 She said Kamala is Brat, and this apparently won her the youth vote for reasons I am incapable of understanding.

Speaker 3 I've been enjoying watching all the pundits talk about like, now our young, of course, someone young in the office told us what brat is.

Speaker 5 And just like going and trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's very sad.

Speaker 3 The funny thing is also, it's kind of like a messy party girl a little bit who makes some mistakes.

Speaker 5 And so sometimes when you tell someone that, then they're like, oh, so it was, they don't like, she doesn't like her.

Speaker 1 She doesn't like Kamala Harris.

Speaker 6 And then it's like, no, no, no, that's a compliment. It's a compliment.
It's a good thing.

Speaker 1 And she has to win Wisconsin, a swing state, and over there, they might think she meant she's a brat.

Speaker 1 But it's actually so interesting you mentioned Wisconsin because

Speaker 1 she loves butter. Like these cooking videos are amazing and there's a video.

Speaker 1 Kamala loves butter? She loves butter.

Speaker 1 Like there's a great video of her telling someone off camera, she didn't realize she was on camera, how to make a Thanksgiving turkey and she just goes all in on the butter and then in a recent cookie baking video it's the same thing and I thought that is such a great swing state strategy.

Speaker 1 Oh yeah. Do you think she's taking like big butter kickbacks?

Speaker 1 Now the question is of course everybody's talking about now we have to talk about something is who Kamala Harris is going to pick as her running mate and everybody thinks of course Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 Butter idiot twists. Well that would be amazing.
Because no one has said he's too old to be vice president.

Speaker 1 Vice president doesn't matter. We all know it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 Could be a butter Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 You know, he carved out of butter.

Speaker 1 Butter Biden. No back better butter Biden.

Speaker 1 All right. Your next quote is from a disappointed, frequent flyer on Southwest Airlines.

Speaker 1 This is the end of the people's airline. That person was talking about what big change from Southwest that they announced this week.
Oh yeah, no more, just pick your own seat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're switching to assigned seating like all the old boring airlines.

Speaker 1 Southwest is finally getting rid of its trademark first-come, first-serve seating plan. Now it's just like any other airline.

Speaker 1 They're even changing their slogan, you know, you are now free to move about the country. Now it's Southwest, free will is an illusion.

Speaker 5 They're going to get pilots now too, aren't you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, really.

Speaker 1 As opposed to like, it's supposed to whoever's like the first online born in Hoop A, you get the seat way up.

Speaker 1 But wait, so the person from that quote is like, oh, it's all over?

Speaker 1 The people enjoyed fighting for their seats? People loved it. One Southwest passenger told the Washington Post, quote, I woke up to a ton of texts from friends giving me the news.

Speaker 1 And another said he liked the old system because he was a, quote, dedicated middle seat enthusiast.

Speaker 1 I feel like he's going to be fine. You think he's going to be fine? It's still the worst seat.

Speaker 5 You're always going to be able to get that seat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The guy who said he was a middle seat enthusiast, he has a friend?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, because if he had a friend, he would have to sit in the seat.

Speaker 5 Doesn't that sound a little bit like some kind of pervert euphemism?

Speaker 1 A middle seat enthusiast? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, what's interesting, Meredith, is apparently they're not doing it to earn more money to compete with the, you know, as they call them, the legacy airlines like United and American and Delta.

Speaker 1 They're doing it, they say, because the other competing cheap airlines are beating them on price and they need to compete with them.

Speaker 1 And Spirit Airlines is like, oh, you're getting rid of open seating? Fine. We're getting rid of seats.

Speaker 1 All right. Here is your last quote.
It's from the New York Times about where some people need to apply deodorant now. Where your butt meets your thigh.

Speaker 1 Like a big pizza. Bye, that's amore.

Speaker 1 No, that was not amore. That was the Times giving romance advice.
Because what is making dating much harder than it was?

Speaker 1 Oh, the heat. The heat because of climate change.

Speaker 1 Right? That's the answer. The New York Times says that climate change is ruining dating because it's making us all sweaty and gross all the time.

Speaker 1 This article was written by a guy who

Speaker 1 would be sweaty and gross. Probably.
10 degree

Speaker 1 weather. This is why I can't get a date.
This is happening to everyone that I've talked to in my apartment. But you know,

Speaker 1 the middle seat enthusiastic. I'm sensitive to the middle seat guy doesn't mind.

Speaker 1 Well, remember,

Speaker 1 this is service journalism, so they have solutions for you daters out there who are dealing with the heat. Apply deodorant liberally, especially to that spot.

Speaker 1 Choose indoor activities for your date, and most importantly, only sleep with them on a first date if they have air conditioning.

Speaker 1 It's also funny that that's the spot that they picked as a place to apply deodorant. I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm sitting again where you're where your butt meets your thumb. Your butt meets your thigh.
I'm just going to say, that place does get damp. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is there going to be a whole...

Speaker 1 There will be. It's not now.
It's fine now. Don't worry about it.
But I just want you to know, in theory.

Speaker 5 What about like in, you know,

Speaker 5 how are things in Norway? Or somewhere where it's like a little cooler? Is it just Shag City?

Speaker 1 Nothing's getting in the way. Oh, you mean what they used to call Oslo? Now Shag City.
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 Bill, how did Mary do in our quiz? Like a mushroom cloud. She blew the roof off and won three in a row.
Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Well done.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Right now, panel, we have some questions for you. And first, it's a game that we're going to call the Race for the Bronze because let's not kid ourselves.

Speaker 1 So the Olympic Games in Paris have now begun, and we are going to ask you about some events that are happening there, rapid fire, true-false style. So if you get yours right, you get a point.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Mo, true or false, after reports that the Paris Olympic village would be furnished with, quote, cardboard anti-sex beds, an Olympic gymnast posted a video showing that you could in fact have sex in the beds.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say true. That is true.

Speaker 1 Meredith, true or false, he did it by having sex on the bed. True.
No, it's false.

Speaker 1 He just did somersaults in the bed, but no guarantees if that's not how you have sex.

Speaker 1 Peter true. Stick to landing.

Speaker 1 Peter true or false, the first American torchbearer in the torch relay was a first responder who had rescued victims of recent tornadoes in Ohio.

Speaker 1 True. No it's false.
The first American torchbearer was the senior executive vice president of customer offers and order processing at Best Buy.

Speaker 1 So inspiring.

Speaker 1 And Peter And Peter, true or false, after injuring his ring finger practicing for the Olympics, Australian field hockey player Matthew Dawson had to miss out on the game. I'm gonna say false.

Speaker 1 It is false because he had the doctors amputate the finger so he didn't have to miss the games.

Speaker 1 Wait, say the first part of it again?

Speaker 1 What was the problem? So he injured his finger, his ring finger. Do you know how? Presumably playing field hockey.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Apparently it was a choice between missing the games and letting his finger heal or cutting it off and going.

Speaker 1 So he went. Wow.
Anyway, that does it for our 2024 Paris Olympics preview. Remember, it's not about winning or losing.
It's really only about winning.

Speaker 1 And also, if you have recently voluntarily amputated your finger, do not swim in the River Seine.

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We're playing this week with Peter Gross, Bill Rocka, and Meredith Scardino.

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Oh my gosh, Jackson Hole, a fantastically beautiful place. I was lucky enough to be at once.

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Bill, what is Aaron's topic? Not safe for work.

Speaker 1 There's all kinds of faux pas one can do at the office, drink all the coffee without refilling it, stealing all the company's secrets, selling them to the Chinese.

Speaker 1 Our panelists are going to tell you about something someone did at the office that raised a few eyebrows, caused some problems, pick the real one, and you'll win the weight waiter of your choice on your voicemail.

Speaker 1 Are you ready to play? I am ready. All right, first, let's hear from Peter Gross.

Speaker 1 Oberg's Technologies is a small growing company that wanted to ease the workload of their overstressed staff.

Speaker 1 But instead of hiring new workers, which would be too expensive, they employed the services of a 4-foot five-inch AI robot named Quickie, a strained portmanteau of co-worker reality.

Speaker 1 The bosses wanted Quickie to have a human touch, so they allowed it to sit in on meetings, listen to conversations in the break room, and generally observe their work habits.

Speaker 1 When Quickie went live this week, it mimicked human office behavior a little too well. It stole people's lunches.
It microwaved fish in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 It started coming in late and saying it had car trouble. It even asked to leave early, saying it, quote, probably had COVID and then went to a baseball game.

Speaker 1 Then, in a bizarre mashup of excuses it requested the whole week off because its grandmother was dying and also having a baby.

Speaker 1 Oberg's Technologies was thoroughly embarrassed and had to apologize to irate customers because they had just sold and shipped 1,000 units of their latest invention, a four-foot five-inch AI robot named Quickie.

Speaker 1 A company hires a robot to be an employee and it turns out to have learned all the worst habits from its fellow employees. Your next office ordeal comes from Meredith Scardino.

Speaker 3 Usually the only thing that stems from a cubicle that has the power to paralyze an entire office is the way one guy eats salad. It's disgusting.

Speaker 3 But at Protective Solutions LTD, a small packaging supply company in Stonehouse, England, there's something even more intrusive in the workplace.

Speaker 3 A tiny potted plant purchased 15 years ago and brought to work by the company's bosses has grown and grown into what is now a 300-foot-long beast.

Speaker 3 According to the managing director of Protective, the rapidly growing Hedera plant, quote, goes wherever it wants to,

Speaker 3 with offshoots tracing the ceiling, dipping down to the floor, covering desks, and strangling desktop computers.

Speaker 3 Displaying the cockiness and entitlement of an 80s day trader, and with, quote, new sprouts appearing every day, morale at Protective is at an all-time low.

Speaker 3 As employees gunning for a corner office have to hear, sorry, it was taken by the boss's plant.

Speaker 1 A little bitty ivy plant brought in 15 years ago has now completely taken over an office in England. Your last workplace whoopsie comes from Morocco.
Zach Bagnoli had a problem.

Speaker 1 Every July, his Minneapolis-based insurance company hosts a summer souptacular party.

Speaker 1 This year, he was tasked with making gaspacho, the traditional cold tomato-based Andalusian favorite, rich with vegetables and spices. But Zach forgot to bring the batch he'd made from home.

Speaker 1 Luckily, for 14 years, he'd been accumulating McDonald's fancy ketchup packets in his lower left desk drawer.

Speaker 1 After squeezing them into that goldfish bowl that sat empty since the pandemic, he added some spice, courtesy of Taco Bell hot sauce packets from 2018, lower right-hand drawer.

Speaker 1 As for the crucial vegetables that make Gaspacho a meal, in his upper left drawer, he found 33 packets of Heinz sweet relish from that Wendy's that closed during the Bush administration,

Speaker 1 Bush 41. Most people chose to sip Zach's nitritious gazpacho through the coffee stirrers he kept in his upper right drawer.

Speaker 1 Still, most everyone fell sick with a nasty case of gas spacho and sodium poisoning. Symptoms include feeling intoxicated and confused.
Said Zach, I'm not worried.

Speaker 1 I just blamed Mindy and her Burger King mustard shots. Those things were disgusting.

Speaker 1 All right. Here are your choices.
Something odd

Speaker 1 and unpleasant happened in an office recently.

Speaker 1 Was it from Peter Gross, a company that makes an AI robot, trained one to be an employee, and it became the worst one they ever had because it learned well?

Speaker 1 From Meredith Scardino, a little plant brought into an office has become a giant monstrous ivy that is threatening to push the humans out.

Speaker 1 Or from Mo, an office worker in Minneapolis, treated his co-workers to his ketchup packet gazpacho, making them sick with sodium poisoning.

Speaker 1 Which of these is the real story of an office mishap we found in the news? I'll go with the story of the McDonald's and the soup packets. Great.
John, final answer. All right, you're...

Speaker 1 Your choice then is Moe's story of the guy who made gaspacho with nothing but McDonald's ketchup packets. To bring you the correct answer, let's hear from someone who knows all about this real story.

Speaker 7 It started off as a little plant in their bathroom and Annie beds put it in here and it just seems to like the environment in here.

Speaker 1 That was Charlotte, one of the employees at Protective Solutions in the UK talking about the monstrous 300-foot plant that has taken over their office.

Speaker 1 I'm afraid, and this is odd for a guide, you have been led astray.

Speaker 1 That's the altitude. So you did not want a game, but you did earn a point ultimately for Mo for his delicious recipe.

Speaker 1 And we can't thank you enough for playing, and I look forward to seeing you and talking to you where you work as soon as possible. Thank you so much for calling.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Let me grow, let me grow, let me grow.

Speaker 1 And now the game we call not my job. Back in 1990, Kathleen Hanna formed the feminist punk band Bikini Kill and without really meaning to, became the face of the riot girl movement.

Speaker 1 They set out to smash the patriarchy, but 30 years later, it still seems to be here. So they have to tour again.
They're doing it this summer.

Speaker 1 Kathleen and Hannah, welcome to Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

Speaker 1 Woo!

Speaker 1 So let's talk about the tour first.

Speaker 1 Bikini Kill was the first of many musical projects, or rather one of many musical projects you've done. What inspired you to get the band back together, as they say, and take them on the road?

Speaker 10 I really need a beach house in Malibu, and feminist art pays so well

Speaker 10 that I just figured, you know, go for the millions.

Speaker 10 I mean, clearly with everything going on in the world, we were just like kind of reinvigorated to sing the songs again.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 It just felt like the right time. You know, I didn't want to sing these songs 15 years ago and I really want to sing them again.

Speaker 10 Now they feel really like it feels good physically to sing them on stage.

Speaker 1 Maybe when you sang them 30 years ago, it worked, but the effect wore off.

Speaker 1 Now you have to reapply bikini kill. Let's talk about your background.

Speaker 1 I was reading your book that you recently published, Rebel Girl, which is a remarkable memoir.

Speaker 1 But I was surprised by so many things in it.

Speaker 1 One of them, I was so surprised by your first time singing on stage, which you say in the book was like a really important moment when you realized that's what you wanted to do.

Speaker 1 Could you tell us about that?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I got the part of Annie in the musical Annie.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 If you're going to play Annie, that's the show to do it in, yeah.

Speaker 10 Well, what actually happened was a woman who had a son who went to the school complained that it was sexist, that there weren't very many parts for boys in it.

Speaker 10 So the play actually ended up being a really horrible mashup of Annie and Oliver.

Speaker 10 Also, you know, about orphans, I guess they were like, let's do one of boy orphans and girl orphans.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 And then they were fighting each other, so it was like Westside Story also.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I couldn't believe that because it's far from the worst thing that happens to you in your youth. But it was amazing to me that, like, there, you know,

Speaker 1 this girl who deserves this break and deserves this outlet, she gets it. And even at the age of whatever it was, 11, the patriarchy comes and ruins it again.
It's like,

Speaker 1 that's terrible. Did you, in fact, end up with a big fight with Oliver at the end?

Speaker 1 Only one orphan can walk away.

Speaker 10 I mean, I did give him some pretty bad glares in the hallway, but he was like two feet tall, and I was like four foot eight, so I really felt like it was not a fair fight.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 10 And he was a very cute, sweet kid, and he made everybody cry with that dumb where is love.

Speaker 1 Where is love? Oh, it is a tearjerker. It is a tearjerker.

Speaker 1 Can you still do, or have you been tempted to do the big song tomorrow from that song, from that show?

Speaker 10 Oh, I do it all the time.

Speaker 1 Can we hear it?

Speaker 10 I can't do it with earplugs. Let's see.

Speaker 10 That sound will come out.

Speaker 10 I can't do it right now.

Speaker 1 The next word is tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Live.

Speaker 10 I literally, I just drove here from Hershey Park, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 10 I was on roller coasters for like 10 hours. So I'm sort of like fried.

Speaker 1 Did you just go to hang or were you guys playing at that?

Speaker 1 There's a big venue there. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 No, we don't play venues. It's not that big.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 Thank you very much.

Speaker 10 much you could you deserve it yeah of course i you know i went to ride the super duper looper um again because i rode it when i was like 10 and so i took my son so he could ride it and um he loves roller coasters he's an enthusiast that's great i was just there a month ago it's it's thrilling it's thrilling it's a nice park it's a it's a nice park when you walk around in a big public place like uh hershey park Are you recognized by your fans from any of the projects you did?

Speaker 1 But I'm thinking mainly of Bikini Kill.

Speaker 10 No, and oddly, the day that we went it was foo fighters who were playing um and food fighters dave girl used to be in nirvana and we were friends with them when we all first started playing music um and everyone was wearing nirvana shirts and food fighter shirts and not one person recognized me so as i was sort of on the rise i was like coming to terms with did i make the right decision like should i have like should i have signed to a major label should i have you know and i was like you know what my son is so psyched right now and we're having a really good time, and no one's coming up and bothering us.

Speaker 10 And I was like, this is actually kind of awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 You know, now I wish it would make the story perfect if it turned out that Dave Grohl had played Oliver in that production.

Speaker 1 You did.

Speaker 1 I wanted to ask you about what, I mean, because people talk about your band like it started this huge movement called Riot Girl of Independent Women in punk and in music.

Speaker 1 And I want to ask you what your sense of your own legacy and influence was looking back now.

Speaker 1 I mean, are you talking to, like, for example, young women who saw you, you know, who showed up when they were young and saw you and were inspired to do something?

Speaker 1 I mean, what do you feel is like Bikini Kill's legacy? I don't know.

Speaker 10 I don't really think about it. Like, do you think about your legacy?

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know. I just.

Speaker 1 Constantly.

Speaker 1 I am entirely focused on death, Kathleen, and I wonder what I shall leave behind. I'm I'm surprised you're not.
But he's already curated his own museum. I have.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, to my knowledge, I've never inspired anybody to start their own band. But you have.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, no, it feels super great.

Speaker 10 Like, when things like that happen, like, you know, I was on the street and some woman, like, pulled her car over and was like, I became a women's studies professor because of you.

Speaker 10 And I was like, that's the highest compliment of all time.

Speaker 10 So it just makes me feel like I'm a super successful artist and like I do my job well, but I don't feel like I'm like a legacy icon or any of that stuff like I'm really looking forward to the stuff I'm gonna do next week and the week after that and the week after that like I'm still making music and I'm still writing and I have a bunch of projects I'm making a documentary about my

Speaker 10 my late uncle who is the world's oldest living drag queen Darcelle 15 from Portland Oregon

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 10 So I have a lot of projects going and I'm always looking towards the future. I'm like a shark.
I can't stop moving or I'll die.

Speaker 1 Well, Kathleen, Hannah, it is a pleasure to talk to you. We have invited you here to play a game that this time we're calling...
Kathleen Hannah Meet Hanna-Barbera.

Speaker 1 Hey, you lit up. You must know.
I think you and I are similar in generation, so you must remember that Hanna-Barbera is the legendary animation studio.

Speaker 1 behind beloved shows like the Flintstones and Scooby-Doo and less beloved shows like the Partridge Family 2200 AD.

Speaker 1 So we're going to ask you three questions about Hanna-Barbera, the animation studio.

Speaker 1 Get two right and you'll win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose in their voicemail. Bill, who is Kathleen Hanna playing for?

Speaker 1 Sonny Paley of Georgetown, California. So here's your first question.

Speaker 1 Flintstones fans take the show very seriously, so when many of them realized that no one ever mentions what Barney Rubble's job is, they began calling the studio at all hours.

Speaker 1 The calls were so frequent that the studio responded how, A, by having whoever picked up the phone immediately say, I know why you're calling. You want to know what Barney Rubble did for a living.

Speaker 1 He worked at the quarry.

Speaker 1 B, by making a special eight-hour-long episode that follows Barney's entire workday minute by minute.

Speaker 1 Or C, by just canceling the show out of spite.

Speaker 10 Oh, God, that's so hard. I thought he, for some reason I was thinking he worked at the bowling alley.

Speaker 1 No, he dispensed a lot of money. A, one.
That's right. A.
And no surprise, the majority of those calls were late at night from drunk people. Next question.
that was very good.

Speaker 1 After the Flintstones, Hanna-Barbera had another huge hit with Scooby-Doo. Now, in order to create Scooby, animators did what? A, gave an actual Great Dane LSD and watched how it acted.

Speaker 1 B, gave themselves LSD, looked at a Great Dane, and drew how it looked.

Speaker 1 Or C, studied all the desirable traits of award-winning showdog Great Danes and then drew the opposite.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 10 I'm going to say,

Speaker 10 I guess I'll go with the safe answer of three, but I think it's really two, but I'm going to say three.

Speaker 1 It is three, or rather C, and I feel bad that you saw the safe answer, yeah.

Speaker 1 So they they interviewed a great game breeder, but like, what's the most perfect example of the breed? If it's a perfect dog, what does it look like?

Speaker 1 And she described it, and they just drew the opposite.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Though they were hugely successful, as we remember from our childhoods, Hanna-Barbera loved to work fast and cheap, so sometimes a mistake slipped through, like which of these in the Saturday morning cartoon Super Friends.

Speaker 1 A, sometimes the superhero's pants would disappear mid-scene. B, sometimes Batman's voice would come out of Superman's mouth.
Or C, sometimes Green Lantern had three arms.

Speaker 10 Oh, that's B.

Speaker 1 Actually, yes, it was B. It was actually all of the above.

Speaker 1 I love when I do that.

Speaker 1 Not a lot of quality control back in our youth, am I right?

Speaker 1 Bill, how did Kathleen Hanna do it? She killed the bikini. Kathleen, you jumped.

Speaker 1 Not many people do that well. That's true.
Three right. Congratulations.
Kathleen Hanna is a singer, songwriter, and punk icon. Her new memoir, Rebel Girl, is out now.
It is a bracing and moving read.

Speaker 1 And you get to see her on tour this summer with Bikini Kill. Kathleen Hanna, thank you so much for joining us on Weight Wake Death.
I'm stopping you by. That's an enormous party.
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Speaker 1 From NPR and WBEZ Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, the NPR News quiz. I'm Bill Curtis.
We are playing this week with Mo Raca, Peter Gross, and Meredith Scardino.

Speaker 1 And here again as your host at the Stude Baker Theater in Chicago, Illinois, Peter Segal. Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 1 In just a minute, Bill gets arrested for committing a white-collar rhyme.

Speaker 1 If you like to play, give us a call at 1888-WATEWADE. That's 1-888-924-8924.
But right now, panel, some more questions for you from the week's news.

Speaker 1 Mo, there's a new form of deception, apparently, between married couples. It's not about cheating.
It's that couples are hiding what from each other.

Speaker 1 Not big purchases, that's too early. That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Stealth shopping is what it's called. Several people who do it.
We're profiled by the Wall Street Journal, the go-to paper for husbands who get mad at their wives for buying stuff.

Speaker 1 And it's true. People are ashamed of spending so much money.
One woman said she comes home from the stores, right? She smuggles her packages in through the back door and then hides them.

Speaker 1 One guy gets his new shirts sent to his office and launders them so they don't look new when they come home. Makes sense.
All of that is much easier than having a 10-second conversation.

Speaker 1 And these are all marriages that are going to last. They're going to never

Speaker 1 last.

Speaker 1 Peter, the Washington Post reports that with the big rise in VR gaming, right, that's with the headset, you're in the virtual reality. There's also a big rise in VR gamers doing what?

Speaker 1 Walking out into the street and getting hit by a real car. Almost.
Basically going to the ER because they're injuring themselves.

Speaker 1 Now

Speaker 1 you've heard, of course, of injuring yourselves while playing actual games in the real world, but now you can do the same thing without risking any health benefits or exposure to the sun.

Speaker 1 So of course, right, you're playing VR games, you have this headset, you're wearing sort of headphones, you have immersive virtual world, you think you're igniting your lightsaber to fight Darth Vader right in front of you when you don't see that you're standing at the top of the stairs.

Speaker 8 Or you're in a knife store.

Speaker 6 Bad plans to do that. Yeah.
Don't do it.

Speaker 1 So don't don't go into a knife store.

Speaker 5 With no cases. With no cases.

Speaker 1 So you're like, don't, whatever you do, important safety tip, do not go into a knife store and play your VR combat game there.

Speaker 6 Don't do it there.

Speaker 1 And if you own a knife store, don't let the guy with the VR thing in. I know you want to be welcoming.
You know, yeah, you want to be like, this is the cool knife store. It's a knife store guy.

Speaker 1 It's fine.

Speaker 8 I'd rather you do it here than some other knife store.

Speaker 1 Just imagine down at like, you know,

Speaker 1 a cool knife store. It's like a guy comes in just carrying his PlayStation 5 and his VR headset.
He puts it down. He says, you just mind if I do this here? Yeah, bro.
Cool.

Speaker 1 Whatever. Totally, man.
There's no rules here.

Speaker 8 Live in the present, the knife store.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Mo, a team of Japanese scientists have published a list of ways people can reduce food waste in their home,

Speaker 1 including doing what before throwing out old food.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 to eliminate food waste before you can throw it.

Speaker 1 Can you give me a clue? Sure, it's like something like, I'm sorry, I filled up on bread first.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 eat it yourself. No, you can't eat it.
It's gone back. Oh, you can't eat it yourself.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you have wronged this food, Mo. What do you think? You apologize to the food.
You apologize.

Speaker 1 You got it.

Speaker 1 A lot of things on this list, very common sense, like making sure that the oldest food that's closest to aspiring is closest to the front so you see it.

Speaker 1 And telling your leftovers you're sorry before throwing them away.

Speaker 1 You have to make it, just so you know, you have to make it a real apology. It's not like, oh, I'm I'm sorry that you felt the need to get mold.

Speaker 1 Couldn't you just get Nancy Pelosi to come in there and just take the food and tell it to you?

Speaker 1 Just pressure the food to leave voluntarily. She's good at that.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Now, the idea, you may be wondering why you do this, but the idea is over time you'll become so aware and so guilty about the way you're wasting food that you will buy more efficiently just what you need.

Speaker 1 Plus, you'll save money on electricity because you're going to open your refrigerator less often because you don't like how the pasta looks at you.

Speaker 1 It would also suck to be in a relationship with someone that doesn't apologize that easily and then you hear them at the freaking refrigerator saying sorry to like some fish.

Speaker 1 How could we let it get so bad?

Speaker 1 So I guess I'll have to say I'm sorry again.

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Speaker 13 Hi, Jennifer Hill. I'm from Decatur, Georgia.

Speaker 1 Decatur, I know all about Decatur, east of downtown Atlanta, right? Correct. Absolutely, I know it well.

Speaker 13 What do you do there? I am an assistant professor at Agnes Scott College.

Speaker 1 Agnes Scott College, I have not heard of. Though that's a pretty cool thing.
What do you teach? Chemistry. Chemistry? Oh, you're one of those real professors.

Speaker 1 You can't teach chemistry. You either have it or you don't.

Speaker 1 Well, welcome to the show, Jennifer.

Speaker 1 Bill Curtis is going to read you three news-related limericks with the the last word of phrase missing from each if you can fill in that last word of phrase correctly and two of the limericks you'll be a winner ready to go yes here's your first limerick here's a tweet from the CNN fixture showing off his eponymous spritzer it's a fun brunch with booze when oh no breaking news get back to the office wolf

Speaker 1 Blitzer. Blitzer, yes.
What could it possibly be but Wolf Blitzer? So it's last Sunday. Just picture this.

Speaker 1 And you're Wolf Blitzer, and you work all the time, you're on TV all the time, and you finally take a break. Oh my god, nothing's happening today.

Speaker 1 You go out for brunch and at the place you go there is a drink called the Wolf Spritzer on the menu. And you're like, that's great.
Of course you got to have one and then you got to have another.

Speaker 1 It's named for you. It's not like President Biden is going to drop out of the race today.

Speaker 1 So right before the news broke, Wolf Blitzer had tweeted a picture of himself holding up Wolf Spritzer.

Speaker 1 And he's got this relaxed and happy face of a man who knows he's got the day off and when he did absolutely have to run into the office and go on the air he looks sad as if his Wolf Spritzer was just off camera with the ice melting

Speaker 1 and he's not allowed to drink it.

Speaker 1 Can I just say that years ago I was in a parking lot of a restaurant in Bethesda, Maryland and I was with my Colombian aunt Julita who was already in her 80s and CNN is international and Wolf Blitzer came through.

Speaker 1 He was coming into the restaurant and she got so excited and I swear to you started going, Elobo, elobo.

Speaker 1 That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 Very, very excited. That's great.

Speaker 1 Did the wolf turn around and go, Kinnis?

Speaker 1 Here is your next limerick. Hi, cold baby birdie.
I see you. My tacos give me an idea.

Speaker 1 This wrap keeps you warm and safe from the storm. You'll be fine.
in this grilled corn

Speaker 1 tortilla tortilla yes a texas woman found an orphaned baby bird in the ground during a family cookout without a box to keep it in she quickly warmed up a tortilla on the grill and wrapped the bird up in it

Speaker 1 and it turns out the strategy was surprisingly delicious I mean I mean

Speaker 1 effective

Speaker 1 how does this story end

Speaker 1 it could go two extremely different no no it has a very happy ending they they wrapped up the bird in the tortilla and then they called a wildlife rehab center who came over and found the bird safe and healthy after they brushed the shredded cheese off of it

Speaker 1 Sadly, the second little bird didn't make it after it said it was on a low-carb diet and asked for a bowl instead.

Speaker 1 Here is your last limerick. Most sharks would prefer to abstain.
But much nose candy goes down the drain. It flows past the ports, and the sharks get a snort, because the water is filled with...

Speaker 1 Cocaine. Yes, cocaine.

Speaker 1 A new study of sharks captured off the coast of Brazil showed that every single shark tested positive for cocaine.

Speaker 1 Every single one. This explains why sharks are always like, I have to keep swimming or I'll die.

Speaker 1 Say hello to my little fiend.

Speaker 1 I mean, it occurs to me, like, apparently, like, there are parts of the sea that are, like, filled with cocaine because of all the cocaine that are being flushed down toilets.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, we're wasting too much cocaine. Yeah.
Is this enough of it to get into this ocean and make the sharks cocaine heads?

Speaker 1 There are people who need cocaine and can't afford it. And there are people flushing cocaine down the toilet.
We have to, as a country,

Speaker 1 find a way to get these people

Speaker 1 together.

Speaker 1 Or else, what are we doing on this planet? It's so wasteful. It is so wasteful.
It is so wasteful. Bringing Sarah McLaughlins on up slowly.
Yeah, exactly. Bill, how did Jennifer do in our quiz?

Speaker 1 Yeah, do you believe Jennifer? She ripped right through it for a total win.

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Speaker 1 Now on to the final game Lightning Fill in the Blank. Each of our players will have 60 seconds in which to answer as many fill-in-the-blank questions as they can.

Speaker 1 Each correct answer is now worth two points. Bill, can you give us the scores? Yes, I can.
Peter has two, Meredith has three, and Mo has four. Whoa, all right.
So, Peter, you are in third place.

Speaker 1 You're up first. The clock will start when they begin your first question, fill-in-the-blank.

Speaker 1 During a speech from the Oval Office on Wednesday, Blank explained why he dropped out of the presidential race. I mean, if they're all going to be this easy, I'm going to be very happy.
Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 Yes. Following a global tech outage, thousands of blanks were canceled across the country last weekend.
Flights?

Speaker 1 Yes, this week the House voted to create a bipartisan task force to investigate Blank's assassination attempt. Trump.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Blazing across almost 300,000 acres, a blank in Oregon was named the largest in the country. Forest fire.
Wildfire, yeah.

Speaker 1 After a number of incidents, Florida police warned residents not to blank on the side of a particular highway. Pull over and let their alligators go to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 No, pull over to take selfies with a, quote, depressed bear who's been hanging out there.

Speaker 1 On Thursday, Disney reached an agreement with union workers to avoid a blank at Disneyland. Strike?

Speaker 1 Yes, according to data, Monday was the hottest day across the globe, beating the record set on blank. Sunday? Right, the day before.

Speaker 1 This week, a woman in Canada was ordered to pay a man $600 after a court ruled that the Cold Play concert they went to was not blank.

Speaker 1 Was not the best concert that she would ever go to in her entire life. No, that the Cold Play concert they went to together was not, in fact, a date.

Speaker 1 The woman said she should not have to reimburse the man for the $600 tickets because they were obviously on a date and he was treating her, but the court said otherwise.

Speaker 1 So remember, guys, for your own security, this guy got lucky, but for your own security, whenever you ask a woman to accompany you to an expensive event, always clearly say, I do not find you attractive in any way.

Speaker 1 Bill, how did Peter do in our quiz? Peter came from behind to get six right, 12 more points, total of 14, puts him in first place. All right.

Speaker 1 Meredith. All of us.
Yes. Meredith, you are up next.
On Wednesday, Israeli Prime Minister Blank gave a speech before Congress.

Speaker 5 Netanyahu.

Speaker 1 Netanyahu, yes. On Monday, scientists confirmed the discovery of blank 13,000 feet under the sea.

Speaker 1 A sea worm. No, oxygen.

Speaker 1 This week, Russia began offering Moscow residents $22,000 each to fight in the war against Blank. Ukraine.
Right, on Wednesday, Taiwan experienced flooding after a powerful blank hit that coast.

Speaker 1 Typhoon? Yes, after being criticized for his speech at the RNC last week, Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson defended himself by saying blank.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 No, he said they loaded the wrong speech into the teleprompter. After being accused of underserving customers, Chain Mexican restaurant Blank said they're quote, re-emphasizing generous portions.

Speaker 5 Chipotle.

Speaker 1 Yes. On Thursday, the NBA announced the new $77 billion deal with Blank.

Speaker 1 Netflix. No, Disney, Comcast, and Amazon.
This week, fans of Hello Kitty were shocked when a spokesperson for the company revealed that Hello Kitty isn't blank. No.
A cat. It's not.

Speaker 1 During an appearance on the Today Show, a VP for San Rio, the Japanese company that created Hello Kitty, confirmed that she is, quote, not a cat, but an eight-year-old girl. Ooh.

Speaker 1 In a cat costume. That explains her cat ears and litter box.

Speaker 1 Shocking. Shocking.
Bill, how did Meredith do in our quiz? She's tracking well. Five right, ten more points, thirteen, one behind Peter.
All right. So Bill, how many does Mo need to win?

Speaker 1 Well, five to tie tie and six to win. Here we go.

Speaker 1 All right, Mo, this is for the game. Here we go.
Fill in the blank. On Tuesday, Kimberly Cheetah, the director of the blank, resigned.
The Secret Service. Right.

Speaker 1 On Thursday, NASA confirmed that there's still no set return date for astronauts stuck on the blank.

Speaker 1 In the space station. Right.
This week, the British Royal Family issued new measures to help combat blank on their properties.

Speaker 1 To combat paparazzi. No, climate change.
On Friday, SAG AFTA authorized a strike against the companies that make blanks.

Speaker 1 Oh, the companies that make video games? Hold on. Before we get to the business.
Yes, it's video games. Yes.

Speaker 1 According to the New York Times, several members of his family are locked in a court battle over control of Blank's media empire. Rupert Murdoch.
Right.

Speaker 1 After an investigation, a teacher in India was fired when it was revealed he spent half the school day blanking.

Speaker 1 A teacher? Oh, he spent half the school day

Speaker 1 on his phone. Yes, he did, playing Candy Crush.
Crush.

Speaker 1 After noticing his class was underperforming, the school superintendent launched an investigation and found the teacher was spending almost half the day playing Candy Crush on his phone.

Speaker 1 When asked how he could just stare at his phone all the time and ignore his students, he said by way of explanation, who?

Speaker 1 Bill, did Mo do well enough to win? Big news. He got 14, which is a tie with Peter.
Congratulations. Holy cow.

Speaker 1 In just a minute, we're going to ask our panelists to predict when it's all over what will have been the standout moment from the Paris Olympics.

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Speaker 1 Now, panel, what will be the big moment from the Paris Olympics? Morocco.

Speaker 1 The usually peaceful parade of nations turns into the 4-0-5 as roided-up Chinese swimmers flip off other athletes and cut them off. Ensuing brawl causes massive pileup.

Speaker 1 Meredith Scardino. Well, they lit the torch mostly just to cover up the smell of the Sen.

Speaker 1 What people did to the Sen. And Peter Gross.
The Australian 1600-meter relay team will lose their baton and then find a new one by using the field hockey player's amputated finger.

Speaker 1 Nice.

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