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Speaker 3 From NPR and WBEC Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, the NPR news quiz.

Speaker 3 I'm the man who causes a heat wave just by introducing himself.

Speaker 3 I'm Bill Curtis and here is your host at the Studebaker Theater in the Fine Arts Building in Chicago, Illinois, Peter Sagal.

Speaker 6 Thank you Bill

Speaker 7 and thanks everybody.

Speaker 7 It is time for our summer break, which we started doing at this time because no news ever happens in August, so you know, we might as well take some time off.

Speaker 7 Now, that is not true anymore, but we still keep up the tradition.

Speaker 3 The only difference is now we don't tell anybody where we're going. That way, the news can't find us.

Speaker 7 But we're hiding behind window shades and screening our calls. We will be bringing you some extended versions of our favorite moments from this past year.

Speaker 3 Starting with this conversation with comedian Lewis Black, who joined us on stage in Durham, North Carolina. Peter asked him if his angry rants were always part of his act.

Speaker 10 I wasn't angry on stage.

Speaker 10 I realized that I was suppressing the anger.

Speaker 10 I was really irritated about a lot of stuff, but instead of like yelling, when I would yell, I would turn my back to the audience and yell at the wall because

Speaker 10 it seemed freaky to yell at people. And I went through a variety of things of trying all sorts of personas.
And then

Speaker 10 finally, as I was rolling along,

Speaker 10 a friend of mine, another comic came up who was,

Speaker 10 and he said, you know,

Speaker 10 you're really angry, and you should let it come out. You should go on stage and yell everything.

Speaker 10 And he said, I'm on stage yelling all the time, and nothing that I'm yelling about should anybody be angry about. I mean, this is a guy who put plumbers' helpers on his head.

Speaker 10 And so I did it. And it literally was, I went,

Speaker 13 that's it. There's you go.

Speaker 7 And that was it. So your life was changed by Gallagher.

Speaker 14 That's amazing.

Speaker 4 Who knew?

Speaker 7 So, I mean, they used to say about Don Rickles, who did insult comedy, that he was an absolute sweetheart in real life, nicest guy you ever met. Is that like you?

Speaker 7 Are you like actually in real life not that angry?

Speaker 10 No, I mean, who could be that angry?

Speaker 5 It's exhausting.

Speaker 7 I thought you, actually.

Speaker 7 You were the best at it. Well,

Speaker 10 I am, I wake up and either I'm looking at a newspaper, I'm turning the TV on, or I'm looking at my phone, and within five minutes, I'm

Speaker 4 livid.

Speaker 10 Something has occurred that has driven me completely nuts.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think everybody listening and watching you right now have had that experience, but none of us have figured out how to make a living at it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You don't work up to it. You don't go like I'm going to be irked first and then like slightly annoyed, just straight to rage.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 There's no pedal.

Speaker 14 No

Speaker 12 Lou, I don't know if I ever told you this, and to everyone, Lewis Black is a friend and one of my comedy heroes.

Speaker 12 I had to stop watching you so I didn't do you because the rants just come out and then you realize, like, wow, I'm as mad as Lewis Black.

Speaker 9 I'm doing really good here.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I got to calm down a notch. Love you, man.

Speaker 2 Love you from day one.

Speaker 10 You, the same.

Speaker 7 You've become.

Speaker 7 You've become so well known for it and so successful at at it, it's what people expect.

Speaker 7 And I'm wondering if it's ever if it's ever like hard, if you ever have to take a moment, meditate, and find your unhappy place. Oh.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 7 Just always right there.

Speaker 10 No, I and I'm sure you've experienced the same. I could be standing off stage talking to somebody about their like their new dog

Speaker 11 or

Speaker 10 you've got a puppy and kind of be waxing on with them about it and then it's like showtime and literally that's it boom and now we're we're we're off and I just started wow there's it's just the way it is I mean I've been doing it so long it's automatic do people like because you're well known and beloved do people ever come up and go wow Lewis Black hey condemn me

Speaker 2 people

Speaker 10 people I have achieved something that is so bizarre they will actually tell me and I can't can you you will they just send what happens if I say the word you can do whatever you want because cool no yeah okay so they will say, could you write,

Speaker 10 could you give me an autograph for my brother-in-law and just write,

Speaker 2 Tommy.

Speaker 4 I'm like, okay.

Speaker 10 And I have literally was approached time after time, can we take a picture?

Speaker 10 Do you want to do this?

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's do this.

Speaker 2 It's true.

Speaker 9 Yep.

Speaker 7 And the radio listeners, a rude gesture was made.

Speaker 16 The people come up to you and go, oh, you're so much nicer in Paris.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you get it, she too.

Speaker 16 Is he supposed to be yelling at an airport?

Speaker 10 The big discovery at the airport and makes it a little weird: is if I go up to people who are screaming at the person behind the desk, and I'm the one who comes up and goes, stop it.

Speaker 11 They're not going to listen to you.

Speaker 10 It took me a long time to learn this.

Speaker 4 Back off, back off.

Speaker 7 The one thing that we found out about you that I was genuinely surprised by is that you have been the paid spokesman for Aruba, the island of vacation destination.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 God bless you. Yeah.

Speaker 10 That was a great gig.

Speaker 4 I bet it was.

Speaker 9 That really was.

Speaker 7 But I'm thinking to myself, like, what was the process where like some advertising agency said, okay, Aruba, beautiful, lovely, laid-back, I know Lewis Black.

Speaker 10 The idea was that I obviously hated everything,

Speaker 10 but I liked Aruba. And reason enough for everyone to get on a plane and go there.

Speaker 17 I remember the slogan, Aruba, it's gorgeous.

Speaker 7 Was the idea like it transformed you? So they'd say like, Mr. Black, I'm afraid we've lost your hotel reservation.
You can't stay. And you'd be like, okay.

Speaker 9 It was really something.

Speaker 10 But we shot, you know, it was like we shot five ads in like three days.

Speaker 12 It was a lot.

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 It was tough three days in Aruba.

Speaker 10 But it was 110 degrees, and get me some sunblock. And does anybody have an umbrella?

Speaker 10 I'm dying here.

Speaker 7 I love the idea.

Speaker 7 Like, the whole idea of the campaign is that Aruba is so lovely, it can even make Lewis Black happy.

Speaker 7 And while making these ads, you are, in fact, miserable.

Speaker 4 It's genius. It really is.

Speaker 17 Because he's more Lewis Black than Aruba is Aruba.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 7 Well, Lewis Black, what a pleasure to have you here. We have in.
Yes, it is.

Speaker 7 We have invited you here to play a game we're calling...

Speaker 2 Hush now. Stop your ranting and go to sleep.

Speaker 7 Since you're all about getting riled up, we thought we'd ask you three questions about calming people down, specifically babies.

Speaker 6 Seriously.

Speaker 4 Seriously.

Speaker 7 So all you have to do is answer two or three questions about shushing, and you'll win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might like for their voicemail.

Speaker 7 Bill, who is Lewis Black playing for?

Speaker 3 Jolene Dugas of Durham, North Carolina.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 7 First question, most people, of course, soothe their babies to sleep with lullabies, and one lullaby, written by a father for his own little baby, went on to become incredibly famous.

Speaker 7 Most people know that lullaby as what? A the theme from Jaws

Speaker 7 the theme from Jeopardy, or C, Sir Mixalott's baby got back.

Speaker 2 I can't hear you

Speaker 9 when I heard the E.

Speaker 4 You think it's C?

Speaker 7 It's B, right?

Speaker 10 It's got to be the Jeopardy thing.

Speaker 7 It is the Jeopardy thing.

Speaker 17 Lord Griffin

Speaker 7 wrote it for his son, and he went on to create Jeopardy, and by virtue of it being used as the theme song for so long, Mr. Griffin earned about $70 million in royalties from it.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 6 What was the song?

Speaker 6 What were the words?

Speaker 7 No, there's no words. It's ta-ta-ta-ta.

Speaker 9 No, they gotta be go to sleep, you little prick.

Speaker 11 There has to be words.

Speaker 4 Now you owe Marv Griffin $3 million!

Speaker 4 There are words now.

Speaker 7 That was very well done.

Speaker 7 Two more questions here. Lullabies are common around the world, but they change as per different cultures.
So, for example, a popular lullaby in Brazil has parents singing what to their child.

Speaker 7 A, someday you will grow up to improve your looks with plastic surgery.

Speaker 7 B a monster crocodile is coming to get you. Or C, Sir Mixalot's baby got back, but

Speaker 7 in Portuguese.

Speaker 7 It's got to be the crocodile. It is the crocodile, yeah.

Speaker 15 A lot of, apparently,

Speaker 7 a lot of global lullabies threaten babies with terrible outcomes if they don't quiet down.

Speaker 9 Then I could have had a child. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You wouldn't have had a kid.

Speaker 16 Or falling out of a tree.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly. We've got that, but it's as nothing compared to the terrible fates awaiting sleepless babies around the world.

Speaker 7 All right, last question to be perfect. There are other ways to soothe babies.
In fact, some parents swear by what soothing technique. A, playing YouTube videos to babies of Jim Kramer's show on CNBC.

Speaker 7 B, playing recordings of the baby's own crying back to them to see how they like it.

Speaker 7 Or C, placing them comfortably and snugly inside the gallon-size Stanley insulated cup.

Speaker 5 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I think they play the baby crying.

Speaker 7 You're exactly right.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the idea is that babies are fascinated by other babies, even themselves, even when crying, so it works. Bill, how did Lewis Black do in our quiz?

Speaker 3 No ranting about this. He was at all.

Speaker 4 Reinter up.

Speaker 4 Woo!

Speaker 7 Lewis Black is a comedian, actor, and host of the Ramcast. You can find his tour dates at LewisBlack.com.

Speaker 7 Lewis Black, thank you so much for being with us.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Here

Speaker 15 in Durham.

Speaker 4 What a thrill.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 7 When we come back, our panelists tell fresh, never-before-aired lies to you, and the team from Atlas Obscura gives you some last-minute ideas for summer road trips.

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Speaker 3 I'm Bill Curtis, and here is your host at the Studebaker Theater in downtown Chicago, Peter Sagal.

Speaker 5 Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 9 Right now,

Speaker 7 we are on a beach somewhere, idly wondering if we were just to swim straight out, would we eventually get someplace better?

Speaker 3 This is Chicago, Peter, so the best you can do is Michigan.

Speaker 7 While we contemplate distant shores, here's something worth staying home for.

Speaker 7 In June, we went to Portland, Maine, where we taped a bonus show we have held on to until just the right time, time, which is now.

Speaker 3 Here's a Bluff the Listener game with panelists Maz Jobrani, Joyelle Nicole Johnson, and Shane O'Neal, plus a visit from the founder and current CEO of Atlas Obscura.

Speaker 7 Right now it is time for the WaitWait Don't Tell Me Bluff the Listener game. Call 1888 WaitWait to play our game on the air or check out the pinned post on our Instagram page at WaitWaitNPR.

Speaker 7 Hi, you're on WaitWait Don't Tell Me.

Speaker 21 Hi, I'm Brandon, and I'm calling from Asheville, North Carolina.

Speaker 7 I love Asheville, one of my very favorite places. What do you do there?

Speaker 3 I'm a veterinarian.

Speaker 14 Are you really?

Speaker 7 Do the people of Asheville, and I know they can be quirky, do they have normal pets or weird ones?

Speaker 7 Well, I think everyone has pretty weird pets, especially weird names. Crazy names for their pets.
Can you give us an example?

Speaker 21 Well, I have a cinnamon toast frunch in my house.

Speaker 7 Well, welcome to the show, Brandon. You're going to play the game in which you have to tell truth from fiction.
Bill, what is Brandon's topic?

Speaker 3 Makeovers in the news.

Speaker 7 The rules of a good makeover are easy. You start out looking terrible, then pow, someone takes off your glasses and gives your shirt a French tuck, and you're perfect.

Speaker 7 This week, we heard about a glow-up so extraordinary it made the news. Pick the one who's telling the truth, and you'll win our prize.
The wait waiter of your choice and your voicemail.

Speaker 7 Are you ready to play?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Okay, first let's hear from Joyelle Nicole Johnson.

Speaker 16 The African nation of Burkina Faso is recently known for telling the French military, au reu voir.

Speaker 16 Turns out a country so good at kicking out colonizers is also good at kicking balls. Jersey accent.
Their football team is called les étalence, which fittingly translates to the stallions.

Speaker 16 To boost ticket sales, Monique Sawadogo, the new marketing manager, decided their team uniforms should reflect their moniker. And the new makeover has the stadiums packed.

Speaker 16 The uniforms are so tapered you can see every outline of their perfect ball of bodies,

Speaker 16 which has female fans flocking to the games. And more women begets more men showing up to shoot their shots at love.

Speaker 16 Sales are through the roof for the tickets, and the games have turned into single date nights. Because what's a better dating strategy than saying, you think that athlete is hot?

Speaker 7 Well, you're in luck.

Speaker 16 I look like that guy if he drank 50 beers a day.

Speaker 7 The Burkino Faso national football team gets sexy uniforms and people are flocking to the games. Your next head-turning headline comes from Shane O'Neal.

Speaker 23 Visitors to the Basilica of St. Macarena in Seville, Spain are in distress.
No, it's not because confused visitors have been interrupting services at St.

Speaker 23 Macarena's by doing the 90s line dance, the amens drowned out by I.

Speaker 23 No, parishioners are disturbed that a statue of the Virgin Mary has gotten a little too much work done.

Speaker 23 After a 17th century statue at the church was renovated and revealed to the public on June 21st, the verdict was in, Mother Mary, you are too snatched.

Speaker 23 The new Mary is visibly smoother and younger looking, even though she says she's just been praying the rosary and getting lots of sleep.

Speaker 23 Locals are in disarray over the Mary makeover, with many people literally brought to tears over it. It's the new summer goal being so hot, it's sacrilegious.

Speaker 7 A Madonna in Seville, Spain gets a glow-up, and people are very unhappy. Your last madcap makeover comes from Maz Giobrani.

Speaker 24 What makes the leaning tower of Pisa such an interesting sight to see is the fact that the tower in Pisa is leaning.

Speaker 24 So what happens when you take the lean out of the tower? That question was answered when Piero di Luigi Scaldoni, a designer hired to renovate the tower, accidentally made it straight.

Speaker 25 The confusion came about when someone delivered him the work order that read, quote, fix the angle, singular, instead of fix the angles, plural.

Speaker 24 the intention had been for him to smooth out the angles on the inside where the floors meet the walls but instead he fixed the whole darn thing when the scaffolding came down and the townspeople saw the finished product they were mortified one local said we come to celebrate and I see it and I'm like mamma mia this isn't the leaning tower of Pisa it's just the tower of Pisa So the townspeople have gotten together to figure out how they can get the tower to re-lean.

Speaker 24 The latest effort involved using 10 alpha Romeos tied with ropes around the top of the tower to see if they could pull it back.

Speaker 24 Watching the effort, the local said, I feel like I'm watching the wily coyote trying to catch the roadrunner.

Speaker 24 It's not gonna work. And just as he said that, one of the cars honked, beep, beep.

Speaker 7 All right, these are your choices. Somewhere,

Speaker 7 somebody got a makeover.

Speaker 7 Was it from Joyelle Miko Johnson, the Burkina Faso football team, who are looking pretty good in their new uniforms, From Shane O'Neill, a famous Madonna in Seville, Spain, which is looking really great.

Speaker 7 Or from Mazda Obrani, somebody trying to, you know, restore the Leaning Tower of Pisa, made it straight. I think I'm going to go with Shane.

Speaker 7 You're going to go with Shane's story of the Madonna that got the glow-up, making people there very unhappy. At her youthful beauty.

Speaker 7 All right, well, to bring you the real story, here's someone who covered it.

Speaker 26 She is famously known for being the most most beautiful virgin, but last week, something changed.

Speaker 7 That was Shelby and Sevilla, a tour guide in Sevilla, Spain,

Speaker 7 giving the rundown on the Yassified Virgin Mary.

Speaker 7 Congratulations, you got it right. Shane earned a point

Speaker 7 just for telling the truth in a colorful way. And you have earned our prize, the voice of anyone you might choose for your voicemail.
Well done, sir. Great, thanks so much.

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Speaker 7 And now, the game where we ask experts about things they know nothing about.

Speaker 7 In 2009, filmmaker Dylan Thuris co-founded Atlas Obscura, a website dedicated to less well-known destinations around the world.

Speaker 7 So, if you're bored of Disney World, how about taking your kids to the Yeti Skull of Kumjung, or the grave of the paste eater of Nevada?

Speaker 7 They published a best-selling book and they host a podcast, and they they have spent 16 years finding the most exotic places in the world and flooding them with tourists.

Speaker 7 We are delighted to be joined by Atlas Obscura co-founder Dylan Thurs and the CEO Louise Story. Welcome to Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

Speaker 9 Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me.
So

Speaker 7 for people who don't know Atlas Obscura and they can go on their website anytime, let's start with an example. Here we are in Portland, Maine.

Speaker 7 Where would Atlas Obscura tell you to go if you came to Portland, Maine?

Speaker 27 Well, why don't you tell your story, Louise? You were just there today.

Speaker 28 Well, so, you know, I just joined the company a couple months ago. I'm trying to get totally in the DNA.

Speaker 28 And I go to the Atlas coming up here to see where can I go that I never have been before in Portland. And I find the CryptoZoology Museum.

Speaker 5 There you go.

Speaker 7 I didn't know it was here. And the CryptoZoology...

Speaker 7 What do you see at the Cryptozoology Museum?

Speaker 28 Well, you see different recreations of some of these animals. Actually, you're an expert on this, Dylan.

Speaker 27 So it's Yetis and actually, you know it's at the Cryptozoology Museum.

Speaker 27 They have a letter from Jimmy Stewart because Jimmy Stewart helped smuggle out what they thought was a Yeti finger in his wife's lingerie from Nepal, and he brought it back to the UK.

Speaker 4 Wow. So here you go.

Speaker 19 What was it?

Speaker 27 I believe it was a human figure. Finger.
It was just a normal finger bone.

Speaker 7 So the idea, of course, of Atlas Obscura, that's a good example, is like if you want to go someplace, but you want to see someplace that is unusual. It's not on the beaten path.

Speaker 28 That's right. But it is all kinds of things.
You know, really, everyone has their own obscura. So for example, another place here in Portland is the bead museum.

Speaker 28 So if you're really into jewelry and beading, there's probably the best bead museum in the world here.

Speaker 7 How many bead museums are there, though?

Speaker 8 More than you'd imagine.

Speaker 4 More than you'd imagine.

Speaker 7 So, Dylan, you founded this thing back in 2009 with Josh Forrest. So what was the inspiration?

Speaker 27 You know, Josh and I both grew up doing this kind of travel. I grew up in the Midwest.
And my parents, the big, yes, from Minnesota originally. Woo! And,

Speaker 27 You know the big summer trips were not going we were not getting on a plane We were getting in a car and driving for 12 hours right and then it would be like after 12 hours It would be like the corn palace

Speaker 27 If you like corn, you know, it's got what you need

Speaker 27 and and but on these trips we went to some places that I've never forgotten There's a place in Wisconsin called the House on the Rock.

Speaker 5 Oh the house on the rock Yes

Speaker 27 people who know it know it. It's one of the craziest places I've ever been.
It's got the world's

Speaker 27 sculpture the size of the Statue of Liberty of a squid fighting a whale inside the house. It's got the world's largest carousel inside the house.

Speaker 7 Anyway, it's the closest you can come to doing acid without doing acid.

Speaker 14 Correct.

Speaker 27 Yes, that's exactly right.

Speaker 27 So, you know, I was going to go on a big trip and Josh and I started talking and said, how come there's not a great travel resource for these kinds of interesting, unusual places?

Speaker 27 Like, these are the best places you go when you take a trip. And so we started putting it together and 16 years later, here we still are.

Speaker 7 So in your years of doing this can you give me like your favorite of like the places you've discovered?

Speaker 27 I'm gonna give you a recommendation personally please. You're from New Jersey right?

Speaker 7 Originally from New Jersey.

Speaker 27 Okay this is one of my favorite places in New Jersey. Okay if you go to Montclair Montclair New Jersey not far from where I grew up

Speaker 27 there's a diner in Montclair go to the diner and tune your radio tune your radio to 91.9. Okay.

Speaker 27 And for about a mile circumference, there is a radio station that for 15 years

Speaker 27 has been playing the boys to men song, I'll make love to you, over and over again, non-stop.

Speaker 4 And you are

Speaker 7 recommending this.

Speaker 7 Had we met before?

Speaker 22 Had I done something to you?

Speaker 2 I just thought you might like that.

Speaker 4 I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 I thought this would be fun for you.

Speaker 7 I shall point out that many of the places that you point out as excellent places to go visit are,

Speaker 7 well, let's just say they're not traditionally enjoyable.

Speaker 17 So, for example, that's not true.

Speaker 4 We cover all kinds of things.

Speaker 7 Didn't you write about like going to Minneapolis and getting to a place that you've really always wanted to get into, which is like an underground lake of sewage?

Speaker 4 Oh.

Speaker 28 Tyler, I'm not going to this one, okay?

Speaker 2 Like, no.

Speaker 27 My favorite place in Minneapolis, actually, is a place called the World's Quietest Room. Oh.

Speaker 7 The World's Quietest Room.

Speaker 27 Yeah. And it is a sound chamber in a laboratory.

Speaker 7 I've spent time in Minneapolis. That's like any Minnesotan family would miss.

Speaker 27 Yeah, that's my Christmas.

Speaker 14 Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 27 You go into this chamber, and it really is, if you sit there for half an hour, you can hear your eyebrows move, and it's a very strange experience.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 16 Does your app rank the sites for safety? No.

Speaker 4 No, absolutely not. No, thank you.

Speaker 28 But maybe that's a good feature.

Speaker 4 I've noticed.

Speaker 7 Have you ever gotten a complaint for ruining someplace?

Speaker 27 No, you know, honestly,

Speaker 27 what we find is a lot of these places, these small museums, these kind of outsider art projects, they actually die from under love.

Speaker 27 And the whole point of the idea is that if you go a little farther and you kind of go to that strange little place that first sounds like, what is this?

Speaker 27 What is going to happen here? You actually end up having these really beautiful travel experiences.

Speaker 19 I have two questions.

Speaker 23 So, first of all, I'd like to return to the Cryptozoology Museum. Are we sure these are recreations?

Speaker 23 Because if I were a Yeti, I would just hide out of the Cryptozoology Museum and be like, the last place they'd expect.

Speaker 27 Just holding still for 30 years.

Speaker 14 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 23 Or just going, no, no, I'm just an actor.

Speaker 17 Are we sure these are recreations?

Speaker 4 Good question. This is very good.

Speaker 19 Second question.

Speaker 23 What has not made the cut?

Speaker 23 Have there been people where you're like, oh, I'm sorry, girl, but the paperclip pile is not going to go into Atlas Obscura.

Speaker 27 We'd probably put that in.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 27 yes, sometimes people just enter like whole states. They're like Kansas.
And you're like, that's a little too broad for us. It should be more specific.
Kansas?

Speaker 4 Kansas?

Speaker 7 People are like, hey, guys, I was obscure. I've got the most amazing, obscure place no one's ever heard of to visit.

Speaker 4 Ready?

Speaker 6 Kansas.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 23 Has the band Kansas ever tried?

Speaker 27 There was a museum to the band, Kansas.

Speaker 14 What? Yes, really?

Speaker 27 Well, maybe we caught some of the music.

Speaker 2 If you want to make a museum, I sure do.

Speaker 23 I only know one song, but I can sing it all day.

Speaker 4 Carry on my wind, one song.

Speaker 4 There you go. There you go.

Speaker 7 All right. You know, if if you do that long enough 24-7

Speaker 7 they'll put you in the book.

Speaker 27 Start a radio station.

Speaker 7 One song forever.

Speaker 14 Peter, you should go there.

Speaker 7 Well Louise and Dylan, it is a pleasure to talk to you. We have invited you here to play a game we're calling.

Speaker 3 Let's stay on the beaten path.

Speaker 7 So you offer guides, as we've been discussing, to the most off-beat attractions around the world. So we're going to ask you about the boring attractions that everyone goes to.

Speaker 7 Answer two to three correctly, and you win our prize for one of our listeners, Bill. Who are Louise and Dylan playing for?

Speaker 3 Kathleen Connor Strickland of Woolwich, Maine.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 4 Gotcha.

Speaker 7 And you can collaborate. Here we go.

Speaker 4 And help us.

Speaker 7 The Eiffel Tower in Paris is visited by 7 million people every year. We know this.
But not many people know this about it. What? It can retract all the way underground in the case of bad weather.

Speaker 7 B, it's married. Or C, seven of its metal struts have been replaced with balsa wood.

Speaker 4 C.

Speaker 4 B. B.
B.

Speaker 27 Somebody definitely married the Eiffel Tower.

Speaker 27 100%.

Speaker 7 Yes, it's B. Woo!

Speaker 4 Okay. Good job.
Dylan.

Speaker 7 Dylan seems to understand human nature in a way. He has been around.
Yeah, in 2007, Erica Eiffel, she changed her name. She's a traditional person that way, trad wife in a weird way.

Speaker 22 All right, next question.

Speaker 7 There's something for everyone in New York Central Park.

Speaker 22 Perhaps you've heard of it.

Speaker 7 Which of these is an actual TripAdvisor review headline describing someone's unique experience in Central Park? Is it A, a queen bee flew into my backpack and made it a bee backpack?

Speaker 7 B, couldn't find the zoo, so played hacky sack with strangers for five hours.

Speaker 7 Or C, almost killed Drew Barrymore. Oops.

Speaker 17 There's a lot of people playing hacky sacks.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of people.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of sacking going on. It's so mundane.

Speaker 28 It's like overly mundane.

Speaker 4 B, B, B, B.

Speaker 7 No, but see, they almost killed Drew Barrymore. They were in one of those little boats, and so was Drew Marrymore, and they hit the boat, and Drew almost fell over.
But thankfully, everybody's fine.

Speaker 7 This is okay. You have one more chance.
If you get this right, you win.

Speaker 18 High pressure.

Speaker 7 The Gateway Arch, St. Louis.
Fantastic destination for people who like elevators. But not everyone can enjoy the view at the top.
Who is not allowed to travel to the top of the Gateway Arch in St.

Speaker 7 Louis? A, any fan of the Chicago Cubs.

Speaker 7 B, the actor Vin Diesel. He knows what he did.

Speaker 7 Or C, the President of the United States.

Speaker 1 The audience wants C.

Speaker 17 C. Let's go C.
You're going to go C.

Speaker 2 It is C, yes. Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 And I should say.

Speaker 7 And I know what you're thinking. It's not just this specific president.

Speaker 2 Any president.

Speaker 7 The Secret Service says it's too cramped up there for them to be able to protect the president. So after Eisenhower went up there once, they said no more.

Speaker 7 Bill, how did Louise and Dylan do in our quiz?

Speaker 3 Got enough to win. We're going to go everywhere with them.

Speaker 7 Congratulations. Well done.
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Speaker 7 Thank you, you, everybody. Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 3 I'm Bill Curtis, and here is your host at the Studebaker Theater and Fine Arts Building, downtown Chicago, Peter Sagal.

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Speaker 7 So it is...

Speaker 7 Thank you, everybody. It's just the first week of our summer break, and already Bill is treating me like his cabana boy.

Speaker 3 Rub this sunscreen on my back, and if you miss a spot, I'll cut your tip in half again.

Speaker 7 Well, I deal with his unreasonable demands. Let me remind you that you can come see our show live here in Chicago, and we will be in St.
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Speaker 7 For tickets and information for all our shows, go to nprpresents.org. Now, here is another one of our favorite interviews from this year.

Speaker 3 When we visited Florida in the spring, we talked to Orlando magic setter Mo Wagner, who had his eyes on the NBA even when he was growing up in Germany.

Speaker 7 So I asked him if basketball was a big deal in his home country.

Speaker 29 It's growing. Definitely soccer, the soccer, or football, we call it football, sorry Americans,

Speaker 29 the main sport, but the basketball community is growing. Obviously with Dirk Nowitzki, we have a huge, huge representative and basketball is getting bigger.

Speaker 7 Now, did you, were you gravitate to basketball originally, or were you playing soccer and then you passed six feet in height and somebody said, no, we'd like you to pick up the ball now?

Speaker 4 Actually

Speaker 29 actually

Speaker 29 funny story so yeah I played soccer I loved soccer I loved being outside getting dirty in the grass and playing with with my friends and then at some point my mom got so sick of waiting outside in the rain watching me play all day

Speaker 29 that she forced me more or less to try out a gym sport and because I was very tall she was either handball or basketball my dad did handball so I chose basketball Little Rebellion

Speaker 29 exactly yeah

Speaker 7 It's a shame because you could be playing uncounted millions in the National Handball League moment.

Speaker 17 Bad decision from me. I guess so.

Speaker 7 Well, second best is always okay.

Speaker 7 Now I was surprised by this. I had assumed that you were had been scouted and found by Michigan, but in fact, as I said, you were interested in American collegiate sports.

Speaker 7 You wanted to like go to America and play for an American college, specifically Michigan?

Speaker 29 Michigan was kind of like, now, obviously, Michigan men go blue forever, but back then that was kind of like,

Speaker 29 back then, it was just kind of the only only school that offered me a scholarship, so I was like, sure,

Speaker 2 I'll do that.

Speaker 29 But I will say both my parents

Speaker 29 went to medical school, are doctors, so going to school was kinda a thing in my family, and I didn't want to be the outlier on that end, at least act like I cared. And

Speaker 29 I didn't want to go to medical school, that's for sure.

Speaker 29 And also, like I said, again, it's hard to get on the radar, so you I tried to play on ESPN and have people see me to go to the NBA, and that was possible at Michigan and less possible in Germany, so that was kind of like a surefire answer.

Speaker 4 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 7 So you had ambitions to go to the NBA.

Speaker 7 Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 29 I hate to admit that to my mom nowadays, but I really just went to the University of Michigan to go to the NBA.

Speaker 7 You are also quite famously part of one of the very few pairs of brothers in the NBA. That's correct.

Speaker 7 Your brother also went to Michigan, came from Germany to Michigan, and then now is with you on the magic. Correct.
And so was it like all you? You're like, dude, this is great.

Speaker 7 You're going to do this.

Speaker 29 Yeah, kind of. Like, he owes me everything, honestly.

Speaker 29 I appreciate you setting that up for me.

Speaker 29 I kind of turned from younger brother into my landlord within four years, so that's awesome. But no, obviously an amazing experience.

Speaker 29 This is a crazy, crazy lifestyle we live, and to get to share that with your family

Speaker 29 at that level is pretty cool.

Speaker 7 Now you're 6'11, and your brother is 6'10. So do you like torture him by holding things up out of his reach? Yeah.

Speaker 29 Like he surpassed me in about everything in life except for that little detail.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 29 I try to rub that in every time.

Speaker 7 Literally rubbing in the top of his head, but you can reach him.

Speaker 29 You can't do nothing about it.

Speaker 7 So you guys, so you live together. You You have your own basketball house.

Speaker 27 Exactly.

Speaker 29 We got a full court upstairs and a full court downstairs.

Speaker 29 No, like, yeah, he bought a house. I live upstairs.
He lives downstairs.

Speaker 29 So we have some separate rooms.

Speaker 29 We don't bunk bed or do anything like that.

Speaker 29 There should be privacy allowed on the road as well. So we don't share hotel rooms or anything like that.

Speaker 29 We are still two individual grown men, but

Speaker 17 we. We live together.
We live the same thing on the same team.

Speaker 29 the cool thing is our mom gets to be around all year so that's awesome you know right oh oh can I

Speaker 12 can I ask you something about a story I heard oh please so I heard that you guys obviously speak German and that you talk some smack while you're playing in German and that Luca Donczik understood what you were saying about him.

Speaker 12 What were you guys saying and what did he pick up?

Speaker 29 I don't think he understood what we were saying, but I definitely, I mean, he's obviously from Slovenia, so he has some experience with

Speaker 29 European language, and he picked up on that pretty quickly.

Speaker 29 But he definitely didn't know what we were saying. It's pretty cool because Franz and I, obviously,

Speaker 29 we have some opinions about our teammates or opponent teams.

Speaker 29 So we utilize our native tongue.

Speaker 4 Really?

Speaker 7 You are on like the court. You're in an NBA game with your brother and you are like talking trash about the other players in German.

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 17 What? It's the best.

Speaker 29 They can't be mad at you if they don't know what you're saying.

Speaker 4 That's true.

Speaker 29 Let's just say we're happy that there's no German refs in the middle.

Speaker 4 I understand.

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Speaker 7 Finally, in January, we talked to Rose Mattefeo, a comedian and actor from New Zealand who had just become the host for the kids' version of the hit game show Taskmaster.

Speaker 7 I asked her about starting off her career when she was just 15 years old.

Speaker 26 Oh, yeah, but as you say, I started when I was 15, so it was kind of child labor vibes.

Speaker 26 I was thrown into the comedy minds to start stand up

Speaker 26 as a teenager. Yeah, I started quite young.

Speaker 26 There's not many people in New Zealand, so I think I just, you know, they eventually give you an award if you keep it long enough.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 7 Is it true, by the way, that like you, like everybody in New Zealand knows each other because it's so relatively small?

Speaker 7 Like we read, for example, that the Prime Minister of New Zealand, either before or after she was Prime Minister, used to like open up your shows for you?

Speaker 26 Yeah, well, she did, Jacinda Arden,

Speaker 26 she was the Minister of Arts and Culture, so it did make sense that she kind of knew some of us and she did do a sort of monologue that we did improv comedy based on.

Speaker 26 So I know it's horrible to make generalizations, and New Zealand is a large place.

Speaker 26 It's a metropolitan capital of the world, all of that, but it is true that lots of us do know each other, yeah. And

Speaker 2 I met her.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 26 that's really cool. I mean, when your Prime Minister is doing monologues for you and like a 100-seater, you're like, yeah, that country's quite small, isn't it?

Speaker 24 Donald Trump is the opening act of this show.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 26 He's got a killer five, man.

Speaker 6 He's coming out.

Speaker 7 I mean, I assume that you went to the UK eventually. You relocated there because everybody in New Zealand had already seen you, so there was nobody left to come see your show.

Speaker 26 You think that's a joke? That's kind of true. My nan would come to my shows all the time to the extent where she would start coming back to shows with heckles for jokes that she had heard before.

Speaker 4 Was it harsh?

Speaker 7 Was your grandmother just as funny as you?

Speaker 26 No,

Speaker 26 she's really not funny at all.

Speaker 26 She won't be listening to this, so it's good.

Speaker 26 No, she's very funny. I think,

Speaker 26 but you know, in that way that they aren't in, they're not, they don't really know that they're funny.

Speaker 26 And what's very sweet is my grandmother is so lovely and sweet that the heckle that she came up with for one of the jokes was I think I was mocking her for the way she pronounces.

Speaker 26 For some reason, a certain generation pronounces muesly as muesly.

Speaker 26 And I was, you know, really ripping into her for that because, you know, my comedy is cutting edge.

Speaker 2 You started it.

Speaker 26 Yeah. And then she, and then she's the kindest person that her heckle was, well, next time I'll make you something else.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 26 her version of absolutely taking me down was just offering me another breakfast option.

Speaker 7 You have a new special. It's on Macs.
I've watched it. It's called On and On and On.

Speaker 7 I have a question for you that comes from a very American perspective. It seems that in...

Speaker 7 Thank you. It seems that in this comedy special, which is very funny and charming and original and different and surprising, that you've taped in...

Speaker 7 You are from New Zealand, you taped it in London in front of a British audience, but you seem to be wearing a University of Minnesota shirt.

Speaker 26 Don't get me started on this.

Speaker 26 I've never had, not many people like, you know, hey, great to watch the special, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Usually get those kind of comments.

Speaker 26 I have never got a public reaction as big as the fact that I have accidentally worn a University of Minnesota shirt that I found in the middle of Malma in Sweden in a secondhand shop and I was like, that's a cool yellow t-shirt with my last name initial on it.

Speaker 27 I'm going to wear that.

Speaker 26 I won't be living that down for a while. No gophers, I guess.

Speaker 7 Golden Gophers.

Speaker 5 So we're called

Speaker 7 the Golden Gophers.

Speaker 4 No, no, go, Golden Gophers.

Speaker 26 You best believe I was straight to the Wikipedia page to see if there had been any massive controversies at the University of Minnesota.

Speaker 4 Yeah, clearly.

Speaker 7 You're looking for massive controversies. You've never been to Minnesota, have you?

Speaker 26 Maybe I could get

Speaker 26 an honorary doctorate or whatever people get. I've never been offered one of those.
Really? So maybe the University of Minnesota can step up

Speaker 4 and offer

Speaker 26 one of those little hats or something. I just want to wear those little hat, that little hat that people tend to wear.
I don't know.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 7 So I want to talk to you about something close to my heart. You are hosting a game show now, the greatest job you could ever have.

Speaker 7 Taskmaster Jr., which is based on a show Taskmaster, which has a bunch of comedians doing silly tasks for points, except in your version, instead of comedians, it's kids, right?

Speaker 26 I was asked, alongside Mike Wozniak, to be the taskmaster, who's the person who gives out the points

Speaker 26 and sort of judges

Speaker 26 five children gives out points that's a hard job I had to really

Speaker 29 agree how to do that but like you're actually doing with children you're ranking little kids

Speaker 4 oh yeah

Speaker 7 yeah so so if you so you're very this the the conceit of the show is the taskmaster that's you are a very imperious figure sitting in a big chair you don't smile much and you are like rating these children you have sent these children out to do these difficult tasks of discovering this or figuring out that or competing in this, and then you have to judge them.

Speaker 26 Oh, and you know what? I'll say, I, when I did the pilot for the show, I was like, How am I gonna do this? They're just gorgeous children, they're the future.

Speaker 26 You know, I don't want to kill their spirits, young. And after about two episodes of it, I was like, This is easy.
This is so easy.

Speaker 4 I don't, I don't care anymore.

Speaker 26 Those children are lovely and they're cute, but they fight back.

Speaker 7 Well, Rose Metafeo, it's a real joy to talk to you, and we have asked you here to play a game that this time we're calling On and Off and On.

Speaker 7 So your special, as we have discussed, is called On and On and On. So we thought we'd ask you about some of those famous couples that have gone on and off and on again.

Speaker 7 Get two or three questions right about these tempestuous and flighty people. You'll win our prize for one of our listeners.
Shioki, who is Rose playing for?

Speaker 18 Stephen Ward of Atlanta, Georgia.

Speaker 7 All right, you get two to three right here, you win.

Speaker 7 Let's do it for Stephen. Let's do it for Stephen.
Here's your first question. The most famous on-and-off-again relationship was, of course, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton.
But Ms.

Speaker 7 Taylor wasn't just kind of indecisive with him. She once broke off her engagement to another man just because of what?

Speaker 7 A, they were traveling in Asia and he would not let her buy an elephant to bring home.

Speaker 7 B, he chewed with his mouth open one time.

Speaker 7 Or C, his habit of saying we

Speaker 7 right before they got into bed together.

Speaker 26 You know what is weird? What? I think I know the answer to this question. Yes.
Because I am fascinated by her. I think it is B.

Speaker 7 Here's the funny thing. That's not right.
In this case.

Speaker 7 In this case, it was the elephant. She said, I'd like to bring this elephant home.
And he said, you can't see that.

Speaker 26 That's a classic Liz move. It really is.
That's really gutting that I got that wrong. I feel bad.
I feel sick. I feel scared.
And I feel,

Speaker 7 yeah. Here's your next question.
You have two more chances. The most notorious notorious on-again, off-again couple of the 1980s was Ryan O'Neill and Farrah Fawcett.
Tell me about it.

Speaker 7 Now, their relationship even started in a kind of wild way as their first date happened when. A, after she saw him in a store buying that Farrah Fawcett poster and followed him home.

Speaker 7 B, after the Dodgers' 1981 World Series win, they had gone out and were looting a store together.

Speaker 7 Or C, when Fawcett's husband, Lee Majors, was away filming and asked O'Neill to just be a pal and check in on her.

Speaker 11 Oh, dirty door.

Speaker 26 If that's true,

Speaker 26 I'm going to go see.

Speaker 5 And you are right. That's what happened.

Speaker 7 Classic story.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 7 Yes, Lee said to Ryan, could you go check in on Farah? And Ryan checked in and she was fine.

Speaker 7 If you get this one right, Rose, you win. Okay.
And you will be happy with yourself for a fleeting moment. So here we go.

Speaker 7 The American record holder for most marriages in a lifetime is a man named Glenn Wolfe, who was married 31 times.

Speaker 4 Yeah, buddy.

Speaker 2 Oh, sorry.

Speaker 4 Alzo's a fan.

Speaker 7 Before he died at the age of 88.

Speaker 7 To whom was his very last, his 31st marriage? Was it to A, the very last woman left in his Iowa town that he had not yet married?

Speaker 7 B, the person who held the woman's record for most marriages in a lifetime, or C, wife number one, because as he said, I've tried all the rest, she was the best.

Speaker 26 No, I'm actually going to go with B because I feel actually that Glenn Wolf is a PR hound. He's probably doing it for the fame, and he's going, why not?

Speaker 7 You are exactly right.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's thank goodness. That is what he did.
He married the woman who had the most the record for the most number of marriages, and they both did it for the publicity and to get in the Guinness book.

Speaker 7 I don't know how long the marriage lasted.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 7 this is where I turn to Chioki, and I say, Tioki, how did Rose Metafeo do in our quiz?

Speaker 18 New Zealand's finest conquered Edinburgh.

Speaker 24 She conquered Britain.

Speaker 18 And now she's conquered NPR.

Speaker 4 There you go.

Speaker 31 Cut that up. Cut that up.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 absolutely.

Speaker 7 Rose Metafeo is an actor and comedian whose new special, On On and On and On, is charming and funny and surprising. It is now streaming on Max.

Speaker 7 Rose Matafeo, thank you so much for being with us and staying up late. Bye-bye.

Speaker 7 That's it for part one of our much-needed and yet somehow still insufficient vacation edition. We'll have more great interviews for you next week.

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