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Speaker 3 From NPR and WBEC Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, the NPR news quiz.

Speaker 3 I'm the guy who had to permanently retire from the wet t-shirt contest in Maytona Beach so somebody else could win.

Speaker 3 Bill Curtis, and here is your host at the Studebaker Theater in the Fine Arts Building in Chicago, Illinois, Peter Sagel.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 5 Thanks, everybody.

Speaker 6 Who said only students get to celebrate spring break?

Speaker 6 This week we are giving you a well-deserved holiday from whatever the hell is going on with the help of some amazing interviews from the past few years.

Speaker 3 While we we elbow aside a bunch of Florida state sophomores so we can be first in line for frozen margaritas,

Speaker 3 here's a conversation with Eric Idle of Monty Python.

Speaker 6 Now as a long time Python fanatic, it was a dream come true for me to talk to him and I only wished he could have joined us in person when we talked in October. Turns out he felt the same way.

Speaker 7 I loved my time in Chicago. I'm married to Chicago woman and I have lots of Chicago relatives.
So I'm very, you know, I love Chicago.

Speaker 6 yeah that's really great it's a good town

Speaker 6 and and let me put it this way when you when you walk the streets of Chicago we're a very cool sophisticated place I know but do people recognize you and go nuts because they like me were Monty Python fans growing up well luckily no

Speaker 6 I can really spoil your shopping you know yeah though you get recognized from time to time and and that that that's just one of the pitfalls of you know being on television I I'm curious if that when the show came to the US on PBS it became this huge thing and i was wondering was that the initial reaction that money python got in the uk or was it more reserved as we might expect from the stereotype

Speaker 7 no no it was there was almost no reaction whatsoever because they put us on late on a sunday night and the bbc were trying to find out if people were still watching television at 10 15.

Speaker 6 and so so for all for all you knew nobody was watching

Speaker 7 Well at first, absolutely nobody knew, and nobody was watching, and then bit by bit, you know, so and we were very fortunate that we'd actually finished doing the show before

Speaker 7 it was actually played on American television. So, we didn't have to suffer the same fate as people on Saturday Night Live and that.

Speaker 7 We were quite anonymous and surprised by it all.

Speaker 6 You mean the same fate as like massive fame and wealth? You mean that fate?

Speaker 7 Well, that for sure, because we work for the BBC.

Speaker 2 Yes,

Speaker 7 it was a nice surprise when we were suddenly

Speaker 7 on public television. It was great.

Speaker 6 Now, one of the things that a lot of us who first saw Monty Python, maybe even people now have this reaction, is how could they possibly get away with this absolute nonsense on television?

Speaker 6 And I heard you tell a story that if the BBC ever tried to give you notes or tell you you couldn't do something, you would all go in and physically intimidate them.

Speaker 7 Well, yes, because there were six of us, and we were mostly over six foot, and so we'd all, and we'd all got degrees, and we were very smart and proud and we would go and and and and and you know they wouldn't be very alarmed at that sight of us so

Speaker 7 but at first we were executive free so it was absolutely perfect when did you know that money python had become like a phenomenon something that like everybody knew and everybody treasured pretty much well certainly in america if not the whole world I think we were pretty surprised when we opened the Holy Grail in New York and there was suddenly there was Python mania and we were trapped in the cinema and it was it was very surprising to us and quite funny.

Speaker 7 I mean in Canada we were known and we were surprised then. We came through

Speaker 7 the customs and there was a big cheer and we looked behind us because

Speaker 7 we thought there was a rock and roll group behind us and they were cheering for us and they'd all come to the airport. It was quite extraordinary.

Speaker 7 So we became what I call mock and roll.

Speaker 6 Speaking of rock and roll, I also found out that Monty Python and the Holy Grail, your legendary, legendary, and it was your first movie, The Pythons, was actually financed by like some of the biggest rock stars in the world.

Speaker 7 Well, the biggest rock stars in Britain, anyway. Somebody said that, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd and Genesis and Jethro Tull, that they put money into that, and I still pay them from Spam a lot.

Speaker 6 Do you really?

Speaker 6 Yes, of course. You send a check to Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull because he put up like...

Speaker 7 I write them out personally, yes, so they know where they're coming from.

Speaker 6 In addition to knowing knowing all these rock and roll bands in the 70s, we've also heard stories that you, either yourself, as a group, used to throw these pretty legendary parties. Is that true?

Speaker 3 I've always enjoyed it.

Speaker 7 We always had some good parties because

Speaker 7 I like to play music and we always have sing-alongs and ding-dongs, and we still do that.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 6 We heard once that, like, you threw a party in the late 70s, and the cast of Star Wars, which was filming at the time, came over.

Speaker 7 Well, Carrie Fisher rented my house in London for filming The Empire Strikes Back

Speaker 7 and they were very depressed and Harrison Ford, they'd been in England for a long time, but depressed and yeah that'll do it.

Speaker 7 So I pulled out a special liquor, liquor we bought from Tunisia and the party started and by chance the stones were around the corner in Abbey Road and they all came round and this party went on all night.

Speaker 7 And they were finally picked up by their cars at six o'clock and we all went off to bed and I'm happy to say I ruined one of the scenes in Star Wars.

Speaker 6 You ruined, do you know which scene you ruined and how you ruined it?

Speaker 7 Well, because they stayed up all night. They blamed me.

Speaker 8 I mean, they're adults, you know.

Speaker 7 So it was a scene where they meet Billy D. Williams, and they come off the plane, and they, you know, Carrie says, hi, and they're all completely hi, you know, they've been up all night.

Speaker 6 That is an amazing bit of Star Wars lore, and I don't know if everybody knows it. That is amazing.

Speaker 6 Speaking of musicians, the Stones came by to your party, I also, again, for the first time, found out, was it true that Elvis Presley was a big fan of yours?

Speaker 7 He was a huge fan. And I met Linda Thompson, who was his girlfriend, and she said at night

Speaker 7 in Memphis, when the television stopped about 2.30 in the morning, Elvis would make her do Monty Python sketches with him.

Speaker 7 And not just anyone. She goes, hello, Mrs.

Speaker 6 Thing, hello, Mrs. Entity.

Speaker 7 And I said, well, no, I don't believe you. And

Speaker 7 she convinced me finally that because she knew the words.

Speaker 6 I want to talk to you about the musical, of course, which went on to be a huge hit in One Tony's and then was revived in One Tony's again.

Speaker 6 You had always been a musician. In fact, you wrote Always Look on the Bright Side of Life from the end of Life of Brian.

Speaker 6 We heard that that is the number one song played at funerals in the UK.

Speaker 7 I'm proud to say that it still is. It's been that for 20 years.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 7 I'm happy to say it replaced my way.

Speaker 2 Oh, that is good.

Speaker 6 I think, yeah, that is definitely improving.

Speaker 6 Have you ever been to a funeral and all of a sudden the choir, they start doing it in harmony?

Speaker 7 No, they play the record, I'm happy to say.

Speaker 2 Well, unfortunately, they don't pay royalties.

Speaker 2 Funerals don't pay royalties?

Speaker 7 They don't.

Speaker 7 I think it's wrong, quite wrong.

Speaker 6 Well, Eric Idle, it is a huge honor for me, especially to talk to you and a pleasure to have you here.

Speaker 3 And we have invited you here to play a game that we're calling Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, and Spam.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 6 as I'm sure you know, it was that famous Monty Python spam skit that is responsible for the fact that unwanted email advertisements is called spam.

Speaker 6 But we wanted to know if you knew anything about spam email. So we're going to ask you three questions about it.

Speaker 6 Answer two right, and you will win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose for their voicemail. Bill, who is Eric Idol playing for?

Speaker 3 Andy Hill of Boston, Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 All right, you ready for this? Yes. All right.

Speaker 6 Here's your first question. The first genuine mass mass advertisement that people called spam went out to the users of Usenet, a precursor to the internet, in 1994.
What did it advertise?

Speaker 6 A, a then-unknown new TV series called Friends.

Speaker 6 B, a new canned meat product called Spam Plus.

Speaker 6 Or C, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 7 I would say Spam Plus.

Speaker 6 Spam Plus. You think that Hormel, the manufacturer of Spam, which by the way has embraced Monty Python and Sam Plus.

Speaker 2 Oh, perhaps not.

Speaker 7 Could it be friends?

Speaker 6 Well, that would be an interesting way of advertising a brand new television show on something called Usenet.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 7 But that leaves us with Jesus Christ then.

Speaker 2 It does.

Speaker 6 So in many situations in life,

Speaker 6 all you're left with is Jesus Christ. Yes, the message was headed, Global Alert for All, Jesus is coming soon.

Speaker 6 And it was sent to the hundreds of thousands of people who were on Usenet at the time, so not only was it annoying, it was also incorrect.

Speaker 6 Here's your next question.

Speaker 6 Now, one of the odd things about spam is while that everybody hates it, and they really hate the people who send it out, it doesn't make the advertisers themselves a lot of money.

Speaker 6 One study showed that you would make more money and suffer less social disapproval if you did which of these? A, dined and dashed once a month.

Speaker 6 B, played saxophone in a subway car,

Speaker 6 or C, stole a car.

Speaker 7 I would say stole a car.

Speaker 2 Yes, that's right, stealing a car.

Speaker 6 People don't like car thieves, it's true, but at least you could sell the car and make some money. All right, here's your last question.

Speaker 6 One of the most notorious spammers ever was a man named Alan Ralski, who was actually convicted of fraud for sending out all those spam emails. Before that, though, he had another punishment.
What?

Speaker 6 A, he fell for a spammer himself and ended up sending all the money he had to a fake prince. B, he typed so many fake emails that his fingers all broke.

Speaker 6 Or C, people found his physical address and signed him up for every piece of junk mail they could find, resulting in him getting thousands and thousands of magazines and pamphlets every day.

Speaker 7 I would say C.

Speaker 6 You're right again.

Speaker 6 Bill, how did Eric Idle do in our quiz?

Speaker 3 Well, he woke up on the better side of life

Speaker 8 because he got all right.

Speaker 6 Congratulations, Sarah.

Speaker 7 Thank you very much.

Speaker 6 Eric Idle is one of the founders of MoneyPython. He is also the Tony-winning creator of Spam-Alot and the author of the new Spam-Alot Diaries Out Now.
Eric Idle, an absolute pleasure to talk to you.

Speaker 6 Thank you so much for joining us on WaitWait, Jones Teller.

Speaker 6 When we come back, the greatest bassist ever to come out of Philly and actor Diane Lane and how she ran away and joined the circus at the age of seven.

Speaker 6 That's when we come back with more Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me from NPR.

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Speaker 3 From NPR and WBEC Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me the NPR News quiz.

Speaker 3 I'm Bill Curtis, and here is your host at the Stu DeBaker Theater in the Fine Arts Building in downtown Chicago, Illinois, Peter Sagal.

Speaker 5 Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 6 Thanks, everybody.

Speaker 6 So we've officially declared it's spring break for all of our listeners this week.

Speaker 6 Now, we thought about going to the same places we used to hang out in college, but for some reason, when we go there, they think we're undercover police officers now.

Speaker 3 Damn, now where am I supposed to score my uppers?

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 6 as we find people our own age to do shots with, anti-inflammatory turmeric shots of course,

Speaker 6 here's some more of our favorite conversations from the last year.

Speaker 3 Last June we went to Philadelphia to interview a man who had grown up just a few blocks from where we were talking to him and had become one of the most famous jazz bassists in the world.

Speaker 6 Now of course being a famous bassist is a bit of a contradiction, which was one of the things I asked Christian McBride about.

Speaker 2 Well, I always say being a famous jazz bass player is being like a famous plumber

Speaker 2 because I might not get invited to the party, but you need me.

Speaker 6 So when you were starting out, were you immediately into jazz? Was that your first love?

Speaker 2 No, I wanted to play with James Brown. Really? That was your thing? Yes, which I'm very happy to say I eventually did, but I grew up as an R ⁇ B kid, you know, Philly.

Speaker 6 And you actually got to play. You played with a lot of people, but you actually got to play with James Brown.

Speaker 2 I got to play with Mr. Brown.

Speaker 6 And what about what's it like meeting your heroes in the case of Mr. Brown?

Speaker 2 It's complicated. Yeah, that's what everybody says.

Speaker 6 We heard that he used to levy fines on his band members.

Speaker 2 But that was standard practice for a lot of band leaders in the 40s and 50s. You know, Ray Charles did that, Lionel Hampton did that, Benny Goodman did that.

Speaker 2 That was part of the gig you know like if you screwed up

Speaker 2 ten docks ten dollars coming out of your pay right at the end of the night so you're now of course james brown kept that practice going long after everybody's died yeah right

Speaker 6 significant part of his income i'm sure by the end yeah right yeah so when did you get into jazz

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 when i first started playing the double bass when i got to middle school Because I've been playing the electric bass for a couple of years.

Speaker 2 My great uncle Howard,

Speaker 2 who's the other bass player in the family, he was so excited. He said, come over to my house, I got something for you.

Speaker 2 And now that he found out that I was playing the double bass, he said, hey, I'm going to turn you on to the cat. So he spent the whole day playing nothing but jazz albums for me.

Speaker 2 And my great uncle had this very cool way of, you know, he would put a record on and he had a chair similar to this. He would sit down, he would sit way down like this.

Speaker 2 He'd light up a cigarette, have a glass of wine, and he would start playing air bass along with the record.

Speaker 2 And you know, he would slap me on the arm and say, Hey, listen to what Cole Tran is about to do. And he pointed to the record, ooh, you see, you hear that?

Speaker 2 And so it was so entertaining watching my great uncle listen to jazz. I said, Well, if jazz makes him that cool, then I want to be cool, too.

Speaker 2 So that one visit with my great uncle. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Does he also do that during movies?

Speaker 2 Probably. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't know how many ensembles and groups you've started in your career, but my understanding is the latest one is called the New John.

Speaker 2 Actually the new John is...

Speaker 6 That's, I should say, for non-Philadelphians, that's not the name John, that's J-A-W-N.

Speaker 2 I actually have a new group since the New John. Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so the new John is the old John. I see, yeah.

Speaker 6 Can you explain to non-Philadelphians what a John is?

Speaker 2 It's a person, place, or thing.

Speaker 2 You know, Joelle could have a new partner or whatever. Hey, you seen Joelle's new John? I knew Joy.
Really?

Speaker 11 Well, it's interesting because

Speaker 11 I grew up in Atlanta, so John and which is also

Speaker 11 that's house. I guess at the place they call it the dozens.
Yeah. So when we're going back and forth, that's what we call John.

Speaker 2 Well, see, John has different versions regionally. Like in New York, it's joint.

Speaker 2 Someone said in Memphis, this is funny, they said it's junt. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Junt? It's junt. Yeah.
Yeah. And so, you know, I don't know what it is on the West Coast.
Yeah, who cares? Who cares? Exactly.

Speaker 10 I'm sure Kendrick Lamar will tell us.

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 6 Well, Christian McBride, it is such a pleasure to talk to you in your hometown, and we have asked you back here to play a game we're calling.

Speaker 2 Bass Pro Meet Bass Pro. Oh, man.

Speaker 5 I was afraid.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 6 You anticipated that?

Speaker 2 I was hoping it'd be baseball and not bass.

Speaker 2 Oh, boy. Have you ever been to the Bass Pro Shop?

Speaker 2 No. No.
They're one of the best stores in the world.

Speaker 2 I love a Bass Pro Shop.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 5 So you know about Melbourne.

Speaker 2 Good luck, Tyler.

Speaker 6 You're a world-renowned genius when it comes to the bass, the instrument. So what do you know about Bass the Pro Shop? We're going to ask you three questions about the outdoor store that is not REI.

Speaker 6 Answer two or three questions correctly. You'll win the prize for one of our listeners, the waiter of their choice on their voicemail.
Bill, who is jazz legend Christian McBride playing for?

Speaker 5 Chris Dunn of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 Hometown Die.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 6 So Bass Pro Shops are famous for their enormous sales floors and the things on them, like giant aquariums, actual running streams through the floor, and more.

Speaker 6 All of that natural beauty, though, can backfire, as in which of these cases? A, one store in Texas is now home to a family of geese who refuse to let anyone go near the camping supply section.

Speaker 6 B, at a shop in Florida, a man showed up with a net, scooped a 50-pound fish right out of the aquarium, and then just walked out with it.

Speaker 6 Or C, a store in Kansas was declared a protected environment for a species of endangered fish, and now nobody is allowed inside.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, considering this is America, that would go with B.

Speaker 6 Right, meaning this is the place where people just go in there and take that fish,

Speaker 6 put a price tag on it. That's right.
You're right, yes, that's what happened.

Speaker 6 And according to the store,

Speaker 6 according to the store, the thief and perhaps for all we know, the fish is still at large. Maybe he was rescuing it in a finding Nemo kind of way.
We don't know.

Speaker 6 Now, next question: one of the most famous bass pro shops is the one in Memphis, Tennessee. In addition to being very popular, it is notable for one other reason.
What is it?

Speaker 6 A, all of the fish in the aquarium are descendants of the fish that Elvis had in his aquarium.

Speaker 6 B, it has an actual moat you can test drive their motorboats in.

Speaker 6 Or C, it is located inside one of the largest pyramids in the world.

Speaker 2 Well, I know the arena where the grizzlies play is actually called the pyramid, right? Yes. I'm going to go with C.
Yeah, it is. That's right.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the pyramid was built

Speaker 6 for some civic purpose.

Speaker 2 That's a big junk. Big junk.
That is a big junk.

Speaker 6 It's meant to be a two-thirds scale model of the Great Pyramid of Giza, and just like that World Wonder, it was also built by aliens.

Speaker 6 And now there's a Bass Pro Shops in it, which is pretty awesome. All right, here's your last question.

Speaker 6 Sadly, not everyone is happy with Bass Pro Shops. In fact, a man once filed a $5 million lawsuit against that company over what?

Speaker 6 A, the fact that he spent over $3,000 on premium fishing gear and still could not catch anything.

Speaker 2 That sounds American.

Speaker 6 B, they stopped replacing his $12 pair of socks after about about 10 times, even though they had a lifetime guarantee.

Speaker 6 Or C, he got dysentery after getting thirsty in the middle of the store and taking a drink from one of the artificial trout streams.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 6 Oh.

Speaker 2 Well, I already got two out of three.

Speaker 5 You did, man.

Speaker 2 I'm actually going to go with A.

Speaker 6 You're going to go with A, the fact that he spent $3,000 on fishing gear and still couldn't catch anything. No, it was actually B.
It was about the return of the Sox.

Speaker 6 Bill, how did Christian McBride do in our quiz?

Speaker 3 Well, he's a winner, two out of three. That's a win.

Speaker 6 Congratulations.

Speaker 6 Christian McBride is a grandly winning basis and the artistic director of the Newport Jazz Festival and the Jazz House.

Speaker 2 It's Christian McBride, everybody.

Speaker 6 Last August, we talked to Diane Lane, who had been nominated for an Emmy at that time for her performance in the TV show Feud, 45 years after making her film debut at the age of 14.

Speaker 3 She had been performing even before that, doing experimental theater in downtown New York and on tour in Europe. Peter asked her about the effect of that formative experience.

Speaker 12 I'm still in therapy about it. No,

Speaker 12 the world was a different place then.

Speaker 12 It was,

Speaker 12 you know, I wound, there was no airport security we didn't need it um i remember getting off the plane and running into my mother's arms and around my neck could have been anything but it was a five pound well maybe a two pound tortoise and uh i had bought it on the river seine in paris because back in the day they sold animals by the river in Paris.

Speaker 10 Don't ask me.

Speaker 6 So you came off the plane, you hold the tortoise after your mother, and your mother says, what?

Speaker 12 She shrieked.

Speaker 12 And I had that turtle for years. His name was George.
Turned out George was female. Did you know that the bottom side of a tortoise will reveal the gender?

Speaker 12 Because the male have a slight indentation curve so that they can mount the female.

Speaker 9 You know what I love?

Speaker 2 That tortoise lied to me.

Speaker 6 I love the idea of you being on the set of your first big movie, A Little Romance, with Sir Lawrence de Le Revier, and you telling him stories like this.

Speaker 12 It's adorable. I was much more two ears, one mouth around Lord Larry.

Speaker 6 I can imagine

Speaker 6 you have played a comic book character.

Speaker 6 In your case, more comic book character adjacent, but you've played the mother of Superman.

Speaker 12 Martha Kent, yes.

Speaker 6 Martha Kent, famously. And this is the Henry Cavill Superman.

Speaker 2 Brian. Okay.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 6 You're like, okay, was that his name?

Speaker 2 Okay, yes.

Speaker 6 So how have you found, after all the other things you've done, after being a well-known person, you had your Brat Pack period and all these other periods, to be like a star at Comic-Con?

Speaker 12 Oh, gosh. I have, I'm such an introvert.
I don't know how I would handle that.

Speaker 2 So you've not been.

Speaker 6 You didn't have to do that. You didn't have to go to Comic-Con and all the Superman fans were like...

Speaker 8 I dodged it.

Speaker 12 I did. I chickened out.
I was just...

Speaker 12 Those crowds, they make me,

Speaker 12 I have Hajidah, as my friends say.

Speaker 6 Hajidah, you have Hajidah, as they say in New York.

Speaker 6 How can a shy person be constantly on screen? Isn't that weird?

Speaker 12 Yes, I told you, my therapist is rich.

Speaker 6 So the latest project you're in, it's a TV show. It is remarkable.
It is called A Feud.

Speaker 6 It's about a very real situation in New York society in the 60s and 70s when Truman Capote wrote a book that enraged his society friends, of whom you are one.

Speaker 12 Slim Keith, I portrayed Slim Keith.

Speaker 6 Slim Keith, who was a real person.

Speaker 12 Yes, socialite, extraordinaire, a real maven, a real connector of other people.

Speaker 12 I don't know, I think of them as sort of sassy pants. Sassy Pants people.

Speaker 6 Sassy Pants people. Sassy Pants people.
That's what Trim and Caboti called them, and that's what made them so mad.

Speaker 6 You've been promoting this TV show all week, and you've been asked about it and answering questions, as you've done for us.

Speaker 6 Before we move to the game, is there anything else you'd like to talk about?

Speaker 12 I don't feel safe suddenly.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is a safe space.

Speaker 6 This is a safe space. This is totally a safe space.
If there is anything on your mind, Diane Lane. Would you like to talk more about the umbrella of turtles?

Speaker 2 For example.

Speaker 12 No, I'm open to talking pretty much about anything.

Speaker 12 I'm starting to sweat now, but that's okay.

Speaker 2 No, it's okay. All right.

Speaker 6 Well, we actually have something for you to talk about because we have invited you here to play play a game that we're calling Swan versus Swan.

Speaker 6 So, as we've established in the TV series, you play one of the society ladies that Truman Capote called Swan. So, we thought we'd ask you about actual swans.

Speaker 2 The waterfowl. The bird.
The bird.

Speaker 6 Answer two or three questions about swans correctly. You'll win our prize, one of our listeners, any voice they might choose on their voicemail.
So, Bill, who is Diane Lane playing for?

Speaker 3 Ryan McGee of Prescott, Arizona.

Speaker 5 Are you ready to do this?

Speaker 6 Sure. Okay.

Speaker 6 Here's your first question. Swans are notoriously temperamental, but one pair of swans had to be forcibly removed from a lake in Austria because they kept doing what?

Speaker 6 A hunking the melody of Abba's dancing queen,

Speaker 6 B, pooping on every single couple that were trying to take engagement photos at the lake,

Speaker 6 or C, attacking anyone who got near their nest, which didn't have any eggs, just a bunch of red solo cups.

Speaker 12 Oh, it's gotta be C. It is C.

Speaker 2 These swans

Speaker 6 apparently had mistaken these cups for their eggs and would attack anyone ferociously who dared to approach them. That was very good, and I liked your instincts.
You know your animals.

Speaker 6 As we have established.

Speaker 2 Here's your next one.

Speaker 6 Now, probably the most famous swan is, of course, the ugly duckling, right, from the Beloved Children's Story.

Speaker 2 Spoiler alert.

Speaker 6 I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Wow, just cut right to the end there.

Speaker 6 That's the story, of course, that teaches kids that everyone is beautiful in their own way and you shouldn't accept the judgment of others.

Speaker 6 In the original version of the story, the ugly duckling is finally approached by a group of regal swans ready to claim him as their own.

Speaker 6 What is the first thing the ugly duckling says to them? A, quote, finally, a family of my own. B, quote, and this is why no one should ever be judged in their appearance alone.
or C, quote, kill me.

Speaker 6 Ah, well,

Speaker 12 I believe it's A, but B is fun too. Let's go with A.

Speaker 6 It was actually C.

Speaker 6 Thankfully, the swans did not accede to the duckling's request, which is shocking given what we know about swans.

Speaker 6 All right, you've gotten one right. You have one to go.
If you get this right, you win. Yours is not the only TV show that we have had with swans in the title.

Speaker 6 Back in 2004, Fox broadcast a show called The Swan. What was that show's premise? A, it was just a remake of Everybody Loves Raymond, but replaced Ray Romano with a live swan.

Speaker 6 A reality competition in which self-proclaimed ugly ducklings are given lots of plastic surgery until at the end one is judged the most beautiful.

Speaker 6 Or see a documentary show that just shows the daily daily life of Bucky, a swan that lives in a pond in New Rochelle, New York.

Speaker 2 Wow,

Speaker 12 I want C to be true, but I'm going to go with B anyway.

Speaker 6 Because that's the world we live in, isn't it? Yes, that's what it was.

Speaker 6 The swan,

Speaker 6 which apparently was very popular, still only lasted one season because it was kind of gross.

Speaker 6 Bill, how did Diane Lane do in our quiz?

Speaker 3 Two out of three, Diane, that is a win in our game.

Speaker 6 Congratulations.

Speaker 6 And let me say, since you have an Emmy nomination for your show, Swans, may I say I hope this is not the last thing you win this year.

Speaker 12 Aw, thank you.

Speaker 6 Diane Lane is an Emmy nominee for her role as Slim Keith in FX's feud, Capote vs. the Swans.
You can stream the whole series on Hulu now. It is remarkable.

Speaker 6 Diane Lane, thank you so much for joining us on WaitWait Don't Tell me.

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Speaker 3 I'm Bill Curtis, and here is your host at the Studebaker Theater and the Fine Arts Building in downtown Chicago, Illinois, Peter Sagal.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 6 And thanks, everybody. So we have been enjoying spring break this week, and I have to tell you, we are not even done with the show,

Speaker 2 and we're already partied out.

Speaker 3 When I was a young man, it wasn't a good night out unless I had already started the next one.

Speaker 6 So while we take a break from our break, here's two more great conversations we had in the last year. First, Kathleen Hanna, founder of the seminal feminist punk band Bikini Kill.

Speaker 6 She joined us in July and I asked her why she was getting the band back together.

Speaker 13 I really need a beach house in Malibu and feminist art pays so well

Speaker 13 that I just figured, you know, go for the millions.

Speaker 13 I mean, clearly with everything going on in the world, we were just like like kind of reinvigorated to sing the songs again.

Speaker 9 Absolutely.

Speaker 13 It just felt like the right time. You know, I didn't want to sing these songs 15 years ago and I really want to sing them again now.

Speaker 13 They feel really like it feels good physically to sing them on stage.

Speaker 15 Maybe when you sang them 30 years ago it worked but the effect wore off.

Speaker 15 Now you have to reapply bikini kill. Let's talk about your background.

Speaker 15 I was reading in your book.

Speaker 15 I was reading your book that you recently published, Rebel Girl, which is a remarkable memoir.

Speaker 15 But I was surprised by so many things in it.

Speaker 15 One of them, I was so surprised by your first time singing on stage, which you say in the book was like a really important moment when you realized that's what you wanted to do.

Speaker 15 Could you tell us about that?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I got the part of Annie in the musical Annie.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 15 If you're going to play Annie, that's the show to do it in, yeah.

Speaker 13 Well, what actually happened was a woman who had a son who went to the school complained that it was sexist, that there weren't very many parts for boys in it.

Speaker 13 So the play actually ended up being a really horrible mashup of Annie and Oliver.

Speaker 13 Also, you know, about orphans, I guess they were like, let's do one of boy orphans and girl orphans.

Speaker 13 Wow.

Speaker 15 And then they were fighting each other, so it was like Westside Story.

Speaker 13 He was like two feet tall, like, and I was like four foot eight. So I really felt like it was not a fair fight.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 13 And he was a very cute, sweet kid, and he made everybody cry with that where is love.

Speaker 9 Where is love? Oh, it is a tearjerker.

Speaker 15 It is a tearjerker.

Speaker 15 Can you still do, or have you been tempted to do the big song tomorrow from that show?

Speaker 13 Oh, I do it all the time.

Speaker 15 Can we hear it?

Speaker 13 I can't do it with earplugs. Let's see.

Speaker 13 That sound will come out.

Speaker 12 I can't do it right now.

Speaker 9 The next word is tomorrow.

Speaker 9 Live.

Speaker 13 I literally, I just drove here from Hershey Park, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 13 I was on roller coasters for like 10 hours so I'm sort of like fried did you just go to hang or were you guys playing at that that there's a big venue there oh yeah no we don't play venues it's not that big okay thank you very much you could you deserve it yeah of course I you know I went to ride the super duper looper and again because I rode it when I was like 10 and so I took my son so he could ride it and he loves roller coasters he's an enthusiast That's great.

Speaker 9 I was just there a month ago.

Speaker 3 It's thrilling. It's thrilling.

Speaker 13 It's a nice park.

Speaker 13 It's a nice park.

Speaker 15 When you walk around in a big public place like Hershey Park, are you recognized by your fans from any of the projects you did? But I'm thinking mainly of Bikini Kill.

Speaker 13 No, and oddly, the day that we went, it was Foo Fighters who were playing. And Foo Fighters, Dave Grohl used to be in Nirvana, and we were friends with them when we all first started playing music.

Speaker 13 And everyone was wearing Nirvana shirts and Foo Fighter shirts, and not one person recognized me so as I was sort of on the rise I was like coming to terms with did I make the right decision like should I have like should I have signed to a major label should I have you know and I was like you know what my son is so psyched right now and we're having a really good time and no one's coming up and bothering us and I was like this is actually kind of awesome yeah

Speaker 3 You know, now I wish it would make the story perfect if it turned out that Dave Grohl had played Oliver in that production.

Speaker 15 Well, Kathleen Hannah, it is a pleasure to talk to you. We have invited you here to play a game that this time we're calling...

Speaker 3 Kathleen Hannah Meet Hanna-Barbera.

Speaker 9 Hey, you lit up.

Speaker 15 You must know. I think you and I are similar in generation, so you must remember that Hanna-Barbera is the legendary animation studio.

Speaker 15 behind beloved shows like the Flintstones and Scooby-Doo and less beloved shows like the Partridge Family 2200 AD.

Speaker 15 So we're going to ask you three questions about Hanna-Barbera, the animation studio.

Speaker 15 Get two right and you'll win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of anyone they might choose in their voicemail. Bill, who is Kathleen Hanna playing for?

Speaker 3 Sonny Paley of Georgetown, California.

Speaker 15 So here's your first question.

Speaker 15 Flintstones fans take the show very seriously, so when many of them realized that no one ever mentions what Barney Rubble's job is, they began calling the studio at all hours.

Speaker 15 The calls were so frequent that the studio responded how, A, by having whoever picked up the phone immediately say, I know why you're calling. You want to know what Barney Rubble did for a living.

Speaker 15 He worked at the quarry. B, by making a special eight-hour-long episode that follows Barney's entire workday minute by minute.

Speaker 15 Or C, by just canceling the show out of spite.

Speaker 13 Oh, God, that's so hard. I thought he, for some reason, I was thinking he worked at the bowling alley.

Speaker 9 No, he just spent a lot of time. A, one.

Speaker 15 That's right. A.
And no surprise, the majority of those calls were late at night from drunk people. Next question, that was very good.

Speaker 15 After the Flintstones, Hanna-Barbera had another huge hit with Scooby-Doo. Now, in order to create Scooby, animators did what? A, gave an actual Great Dane LSD and watched how it acted.

Speaker 15 B, gave themselves LSD, looked at a Great Dane, and drew how it looked.

Speaker 15 Or C, studied all the desirable traits of award-winning showdog Great Danes and then drew the opposite.

Speaker 9 Oh, wow.

Speaker 9 I'm going to say,

Speaker 13 I guess I'll go with the safe answer, three, but I think it's really two, but I'm going to say three.

Speaker 15 It is three, or rather C, and I feel bad that you saw it as a safe answer, yeah.

Speaker 15 So they interviewed a great Dane breeder, but like, what's the most perfect example of the breed? If it's a perfect dog, what does it look like? And she described it, and they just drew the opposite.

Speaker 9 All right.

Speaker 15 Though they were hugely successful, as we remember from our childhoods, Hanna-Barbera loved to work fast and cheap, so sometimes mistakes slipped through, like which of these in the Saturday morning cartoon Super Friends.

Speaker 15 A, sometimes the superhero's pants would disappear mid-scene. B, sometimes Batman's voice would come out of Superman's mouth, or C, sometimes Green Lantern had three arms.

Speaker 13 Oh, that's B.

Speaker 15 Actually, yes, it was B. It was actually all of the above.

Speaker 2 I love when they do that.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 15 Not a lot of quality control back in our youth, am I right?

Speaker 15 Bill, how did Kathleen Hanna do it our tour?

Speaker 3 She killed the bikini.

Speaker 9 Kathleen.

Speaker 15 Not many people do that well. That's true.
Three rights. Congratulations.
Kathleen Hanna is a singer, songwriter, and punk icon. Her new memoir, Rebel Girl, is out now.

Speaker 15 It is a bracing and moving read. And you get to see her on tour this summer with Bikini Kill.
Kathleen Hanna, thank you so much for joining us on Wait Wait.

Speaker 9 Come stop in your live. That is a moment.

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Speaker 6 Finally, one of my favorite conversations from last year with Bridget Everett and Jeff Hiller, stars of the remarkable HBO show Somebody Somewhere.

Speaker 3 It's a hard show to describe. So when they joined us in November, Peter asked them to do it.

Speaker 16 I don't know. You know, it's a slice of life.
It's about friendship. It's,

Speaker 16 you know, it's about making each other, lifting each other up and and you know we're not afraid of a fart joke you know

Speaker 9 I don't know

Speaker 15 our show is all fart jokes really I know you and I have the same formula

Speaker 15 Bridget since you are from Manhattan Kansas and it is a show set in Manhattan Kansas about a woman from Manhattan Kansas I'm assuming that everything we see in the show actually happened right

Speaker 16 Oh yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 9 Give me a take six. Wait, I was going to...

Speaker 16 I can't talk like this. I was going to say something naughty.
I'm going to leave.

Speaker 15 And Jeff, I'm told that your character that you play is awfully close to your real life experience. Is that the case?

Speaker 17 Yeah, we both love Vitamixes and we're both, you know, middle-aged homosexuals with asymmetrical faces.

Speaker 15 That's true.

Speaker 17 Was meant to be, Peter. It was meant to be.

Speaker 9 Right, right, right.

Speaker 15 But it occurs to me, Bridget, that I don't know of any other major piece of entertainment set in Manhattan, Kansas, so you must be like a queen there because you have done for Manhattan, Kansas, what say Game of Thrones did for King's Landing.

Speaker 15 You put it on the map.

Speaker 9 That's right.

Speaker 16 You know, they actually did a Bridget Everett Day for me a couple years ago.

Speaker 16 So if anybody ever wants to go to Manhattan, Kansas, I think it's March 5th every year, they make a little Bridget Everett donut and a Bridget Everett beer.

Speaker 15 Wait a minute, it's not just, wait a minute, hold on. I mean, it's not just like they had a day for you when you showed up.
There is an actual day on the calendar every year. The kids get off school.

Speaker 15 Oh, it's Bridget. What are you doing for Bridget every day?

Speaker 16 That's right. As a great L.O.
Cool J says, dreams don't have deadlines.

Speaker 9 So that's amazing.

Speaker 15 I did want to ask you this, though, because the show is, the characters you play are broadly similar to you. They have similar styles, maybe in similar backgrounds.

Speaker 15 Would you both love to play someone next or soon who is nothing like you? And if so, what kind of character would that be?

Speaker 16 I'm waiting for the train wreck spin-off, spin-off for me and Tim Meadows to do like some sort of rom-com that gets a little freaky at the taco bar I don't know

Speaker 15 how about how about you Jeff do you have any idea like if I could if you said oh my god somebody somewhere what a huge hit you can write your own ticket you can play anything you want what you want what do you want to do well I've been playing a lot of serial killers lately

Speaker 17 and that's nice to you know be someone who you know.

Speaker 9 Exactly.

Speaker 15 I thought for a second you were kidding, but are you not kidding? Have you been playing a lot of serial killers?

Speaker 17 I have been playing a lot of serial killers.

Speaker 15 I imagine that's kind of a mixed blessing because you get steady work, right? Serial killer is always popular.

Speaker 15 What is it about you, you think, that makes them think, hmm, serial killer, psychopath, sex criminal.

Speaker 17 You know, I just got a face for murder.

Speaker 9 I do.

Speaker 15 You give me precious back. You give me precious.

Speaker 15 Well, Bridget Everett and Jeff Hiller, this is really fun. And we

Speaker 15 have asked you here to play a game that this time we're calling Nobody Nowhere. So, obviously, since your show was called Somebody Somewhere, we thought we'd ask you about Nobody Nowhere.

Speaker 15 That is three questions about places where it's hard to find anybody. Tim, who are Bridget and Jeff playing for? Jack Powers of Las Vegas, Nevada.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 9 Las Vegas.

Speaker 15 Come on, you guys, as we do this, you're allowed to argue. You're allowed to team up.
you're allowed to play this however you want. Here we go, here's your first question.

Speaker 15 The loneliest and most desolate place on Earth is Antarctica, an entire continent whose population never exceeds about 5,000 people.

Speaker 15 Despite that, one scientist who was there in December of 2013 managed to do what?

Speaker 15 A, convince the band Cold Play to come there and do a show,

Speaker 15 naturally. B, match with someone on Tinder, or C, organize the first ever Freezing Man Festival.

Speaker 16 I think it's C.

Speaker 17 I do too. I think it's C.

Speaker 15 Wait a minute. So you're saying Freezing? Freezing Man Festival.

Speaker 9 Oh.

Speaker 15 The audience is objective.

Speaker 15 Wow. I was going to pull the trigger, but the audience is shouting no, no, no.
Audience, what do you think it is? They always know. They think it's B.
They think it's B.

Speaker 17 Okay, let's do B then.

Speaker 15 We got to do it, Priddy. They always know.
They always know.

Speaker 9 Okay, let's go B.

Speaker 15 They don't always know, but they did this time.

Speaker 15 The scientist was sitting there and he's like, what the hell? And he turned on Tinder and he swiped right on this woman who was camping on the ice about 45 minutes away by helicopter.

Speaker 15 And they did meet up, but they say nothing came of it that time.

Speaker 17 What an pit's ending to a great story.

Speaker 9 I'm so sorry.

Speaker 9 All right,

Speaker 15 here's your next question. Now, the loneliest place that anybody has ever been that we know of is the moon.
Only 12 people have ever visited the moon.

Speaker 15 Now, the first astronaut to do it after Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin was Pete Conrad. What were Pete Conrad's first words after stepping off the lunar lander onto the surface of the moon?

Speaker 15 Was it A, one small step for a man, one giant step for mankind? Suck it, Neil.

Speaker 15 B, so where can I get a drink around here that's not recycled urine?

Speaker 15 Or C, whoopee?

Speaker 10 You're messing with us, right? Right.

Speaker 15 This guy sounds like an I kind of am, but one of them is real. Well, he said one of those things as he stepped on the

Speaker 17 wild. I love him.

Speaker 18 I love like TT.

Speaker 18 I think it's the TT. He drinks the TT, the TT one.

Speaker 15 The TT one?

Speaker 17 I don't know. I feel like it's whoopee.

Speaker 15 So you're going to go with two different answers. Bridget, you're going to take the recycled urine and Jeff, whoopee.
Yeah, we're diverging in two different woods. Jeff is the winner.
Jeff is correct.

Speaker 9 Whoopee!

Speaker 15 All right, Jeff has already won. He got two right.
Let's see if Bridget can catch up. Your last question.

Speaker 15 In 1993, a French man's car broke down far out in the Moroccan desert.

Speaker 15 And he was so far out there was no way for him to get back.

Speaker 15 So to save his own life, he stripped down the car and he built a motorcycle from the parts and drove it back to civilization and when he got there what happened a his wife said oh were you gone

Speaker 15 b he was ticketed for riding an illegal vehicle or c at the celebration of his miraculous return he died when a popped champagne cork punctured his head.

Speaker 16 Oh, that's not C, but it's got to be C.

Speaker 17 I can't die from that. That's a fun answer.
That's a fun answer.

Speaker 15 Come on, you got to do better.

Speaker 16 So you can die from that, and I'm willing to give it a shot.

Speaker 15 All right, Bridget wants to go with he died ironically from the popped champagne cork. What do you think, Jeff?

Speaker 17 I think it's the ticket.

Speaker 15 You think he got a ticket? It's the ticket. Once again, Jeff is correct.

Speaker 15 So, Tim, how did Bridget and Jeff do on our quiz? Jeff got all three questions correct.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 15 It's a record. It's a record.
It's never happened before.

Speaker 15 Bridget Everett and Jeff Hiller are stars of Somebody Somewhere on HBO and Max. Season three is out now.
Catch it. It is remarkable and heartwarming and funny.

Speaker 15 And every now and then, Bridget says something very dirty. Bridget and Jeff, thank you so much for joining us on Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me.

Speaker 9 Awesome to have you.

Speaker 6 That's it for our spring break edition. Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is a production of NPR and WBEZ Chicago in association with Urgent Haircut Productions, Doug Berman, Benevolent Overlord.

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